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Speaker 1: The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh

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dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect

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the opinions of the hosting. The purpose of the show

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is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow.

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Speaker 2: We're not what we want.

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Speaker 1: If you were looking for an echo chamber, you were,

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and listener discretion aged.

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Speaker 3: Did you talk about extreme?

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Speaker 4: What is happening and what is up? Hold out your

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glass because we're about to feel it up.

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Speaker 2: All things continually lead back to serpents, dragons, fairies, nepheline,

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and fallen angels.

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Speaker 5: In the distance looms a mystical mountain.

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Speaker 6: As Mike Heiser used to say, if it's in the

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Bible and it's weird, it's probably important.

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Speaker 5: At its peak, a great fire burns, concealing the Prometheus lenses.

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Speaker 4: This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within

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the mysteries.

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Speaker 5: An ancient artifact said to reveal the hidden truth within

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a deliberately darkened world.

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Speaker 2: There is a hidden history that's been deliberately obscated from

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the people's livil world.

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Speaker 5: Join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown.

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It's a hero's journey with dragons, to slay, damsels to save,

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and innumerable treasures to hoard.

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Speaker 4: Torches high the Smithsonian, they call wind of the Giant's belt,

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would send their agents out to get it.

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Speaker 5: But it takes courage to move forward, to move out

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of the shadows, out.

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Speaker 6: Of the unreality that we think of, this reality.

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Speaker 4: We are all on the hero's journey.

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Speaker 6: Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extra terrestrials.

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Speaker 4: Leave the citient mound of bull feathers out of it, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, look at it from a different perspected, different perspective pact.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what is happening? What is up old actual glass?

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You know what time it is, as we're about to

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field it up. Welcome to the Prometheus Lens Podcast, the

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place where the conversations they're always in a lightning. I'm

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your host, justin here. We like to use the allegory

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of the Prometheus Lens to take a second look at everything. Hey,

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if you guys are within the sound of my voice

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here in this recording, this means that you are an

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all access pass holder and you missed out on the Man,

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the myth, the legend, the walking, talking, living, breathing, walking Encyclopedia.

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So you're having to just settle for just listening to

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the reporting. I'll give you my condolences in advance, because

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i'd already know I know the man. Well, this is

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gonna be a great conversation. But Derek, just thank you

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for taking the time on this spooky Friday the thirteenth

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to come and hang out with us tonight.

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Speaker 6: Happy to do it, brother, Always enjoy our conversations.

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Speaker 4: Oh definitely. Well, this is the opportunity for you guys

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to pick Derek's brain. Me and Derek conversate quite often,

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so I don't want to take up the time. So

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if you guys have any questions or anything that you

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want to pitch to Derek, I'm gonna go ahead and

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turn the floor over to the looks like at first.

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Speaker 6: We got some shout okay, okay, gotcha, gotcha?

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'll just lead off with one. Then

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I'll cut the ice the pump. Yeah, I'll prime it

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up here. Uh. I was watching some of the old films.

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I actually bought that definitive collection of Joe Horn at

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that conference that we were at that go there for

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and was good on through some of those old films

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and it's really cool to go back and see the

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you know, the genesis of SkyWatch, and you guys had

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mentioned a study in New Guinea about someone had studied

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how they were cannib There was this cannibalistic tribe and

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they done tests on their DNA and found that it

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was changing their DNA on a German germline level. And

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you just kind of just briefly just threw that out there,

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you know, like it wouldn't a big thing because you

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guys that knew all about it. I was just like,

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what I wanted to worry about this? Could you could

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you elaborate a little bit on that?

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Speaker 5: I wish I could.

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Speaker 6: That's this is one that one of the things Sharon

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our society. Like I just sent just in a text yesterday,

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mean phallopian tubes and placenta is So that's that's something

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see what Thanks, yeah, because it was it sparked my curiosity,

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especially where I had that conversation with Enoch Puatrist and

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he was talking about the basically the spirit cooking of

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today that the the giants. It was his theory that

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was through ritual and through cannibalistic means, we're changing their

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DNA and taking in mass amounts of human growth hormone

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the return of the Nephilum.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she's also talked about She's also talked about the

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epigenetic changes that might take place through rituals, and we've

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talked about that regarding say, Goliath and the post flood giants.

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mistake and accidentally allowed this bloodline to continue on the arc.

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of angels mating with human women, it's also possible that

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the spirit realm looked at what happened to that generation

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of watchers who did and the punishment they received, decided

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they didn't want to go through that anymore. So if

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the word translated as descendant of the giant, where you

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being descendants of the Rafa descendants of the giant, Rafa

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being the singular form of refinem. That word descendant does

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the giants. The word In Hebrew, yalid actually means one

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consecrated or initiated, so it's like a cult member. On

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four cubits and a span, and the subtuagen. Doctor Clyde

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that there's no difference between the six cubans in a

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span and the four cubans in a span. According to

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doctor Billington, it both works out to about eight feet tall,

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Speaker 5: How did he get that big?

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Speaker 6: Epigenetics is one possible answer, So, without having to go

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Speaker 5: Who co mingled with human women.

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Speaker 6: So but yeah, when you start talking about genetics, shared

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Speaker 2: So, Derek, you you'll have to forgive me. I'm a

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newbie in this space, okay, Like I've been here less

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than a year, so everything is new to me, and

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so I'm I also don't know your specific area of expertise,

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Speaker 2: Starting this journey, So please be patient. What is your

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I'm not sure I have one either.

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where I look at these various silos of information, where

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you've got scholars who may be Assyriologists, you know, experts

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in what the Assyrians did, but they don't really pay

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much attention to what was happening in the Minoan culture,

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or a hit titologist who studied the Hittite culture of

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ancient Anatolia, but they're not really versed on what happened

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in Uh in Sumer. And so you know, I'm trying

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the Bible and how they how, and why they're relevant

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to us as Christians, and why they're important to Christian

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theology and Jewish theology. Really, we've done a number of

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cult of the Nepheline and the Ancient World Giants, Gods

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and Dragons, which was inspired by a news story a

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as evil. Now, if you know anything about the works

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of J. R. R. Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit,

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the Orcs were evil. They were irredeemably evil. But if

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have the backstory, you just have the inherited fantasy world

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created by J. R. R. Tolkien of elves and Orcs

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we'll change the game and future additions where you can

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play the Orcs as good if you want. Now, I

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as we don't want to go to war. I'm going

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to stay home with my my Orc wife and my

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Orc children.

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Speaker 5: Like why yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: The main yes, the main Orc. Yes, yes, they are

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the main or the main orc is like, but my wife.

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Speaker 6: And my baby, right, right, So we can laugh at

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the players of Dungeons and Dragons for protesting the treatment

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of fictional characters, the orcs. They're treating these fictional characters

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like they're real, and they're getting upset and they're protesting,

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and we can laugh at them. But then it dawned

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on us, like, wait a minute. We Christians, according to

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survey after survey, treat the majority of the characters in

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the Bible, which we say we believe is the Word

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of God as though they're fiction. Sixty percent of American

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Christians don't think Satan is real, much less demons. So

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you know who, yeah, who are we to laugh at

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the players of Dungeons and Dragons treating fictional characters.

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Speaker 2: You listen to the Summarillion where you read the Summarillion,

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you know where orcs actually come from, right, So christ.

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Speaker 6: Yet, so they're they're essentially fallen angels, twisted fallen age.

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he calls gods and giants and dragons and treating them

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as though they're fiction. So that's kind of where San

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and I have gone. We've taken the teachings of doctor

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Michael Heiser and his Divine Council worldview and investigating how

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Speaker 2: I just finished The Unseen Realm. Yep, that's an aggressive book.

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into this space after he was already passed? So rest

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of peace, God rest is so so all I have

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are the people who are basically carrying the torch and

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taking it for him. But dragons? Do you actually think

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that dragons? Do you believe that dragons can? Not that

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they did exist, but that they will exist again.

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Speaker 5: I think they do exist.

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Speaker 6: It's just that, like most of the angelic realm, we

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don't perceive them with our limited human perceptions. Were we

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were created to occupy this natural space, which is why

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Jude refers to the angels who sinned a reference to

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the sons of God in Genesis chapter six as those

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who kept not their proper estate, who left their proper dwelling,

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and so on. They were created for the spirit realm.

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They intruded on our realm and meddled with humanity, and

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that's why they left their first estate of their proper dwelling.

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When you look at descriptions of, for example, the fiery

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serpents that afflicted the Israelites in Numbers chapter twenty one,

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if I remember correctly, the words in Hebrew for the

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fiery serpents is saraf, which is the singular form of

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serapheme described by Isaiah and Isaiah chapter six, and nakash,

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which is the word translated serpent back in Genesis chapter three.

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So you've got nakash saraf in one case, nakashim seraphim plural,

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which suggests that nakashim serpents or serpentine beings, because we

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don't think that the snake in the garden was actually

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a talking snake.

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Speaker 5: It was a being that.

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Speaker 6: Even Adam were used to seeing there. They were part

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of the divine council, used interchangeably with Seraphene, who were

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the throne guardians Isaiah saw in Isaiah. Well, the word

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nakash has that range of meanings. According to Mike Heiser

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and Mike, drawing on accepted Hebrew translations, it can refer

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to one that is glowing, almost like polished brass. So

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you may have a in the nakash you may have

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a being that has serpentine appearance but is also radiant

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and glowing, which would fit with seraphine because aaf and

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Hebrew is a verb that means burning. So the seraphine, literally,

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if the word derives from Hebrew, means the burning ones.

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So Nakashim seraphine, you've got these fiery serpents. And then

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in Isaiah you've got the flying serpents that are afflicting

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the Hebrews. So you know, again you got flying fiery serpents,

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the seraphime six wings, and what would you call a

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flying fiery serpent other than a dragon realm.

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Speaker 4: Also, you know, you had these guys that book, it

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was called she what was the name of it, The

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Cosmic Serpent. Them guys talk about all their d MT

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experiences going into this astral realm, every single one of

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them without every single experience with a snake. And it's

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a now I'll describe as shining and shimmering and the

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scales are glowing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: In fact, Sharon and I reference that in our well, actually,

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the book is kind of out already The hard copy

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is not going to be out till October fifteenth, but

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apparently the Amazon audible edition is already out there, called

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The Gates of Hell. And we get into the the

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d MT experiments of doctor Rick Strassman and the what

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do you call it? The spirit molecule. I interviewed him

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years ago about that, and yeah, it was when you've

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got multiple witnesses who are reporting seeing the same thing

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at the same time, given that mass hallucinations are not

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a thing, you basically have multiple people seeing into that

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spirit realm. And this really took Strassman by surprise, but

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those were entities that were reported by more than a

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few observers. And you want to be described spirit molecule,

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the spirit molecule, Yeah, d MT, it's it's the molecule.

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It's the active ingredient in ayahuasca and it's found in

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the brain.

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Speaker 5: There's a theory that was isn't that?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that? What they're saying is now surrounding the quote

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unquote burning bush, like the area where the burning bush was,

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they're saying that that is now there's a plant out

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there that now grows that naturally produces that. And they're

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saying that the reason that Moses had that experience is

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because he was like high Well.

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Speaker 6: Strassman argued that in his follow up book, to the

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Spirit Molecule, and I think he called the spirit of

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prophecy or something to that effect. But he was arguing

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that the Hebrew prophets had been dosed with DMT somehow,

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or they were dosing themselves with DMT or something similar,

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which is why they were able to see in the

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spirit realm, which of course ignores the biblical narrative that

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they were always taken into that realm by an angelic guide.

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So I think doctor Strassman didn't quite interpret the scriptures.

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That his story is that he was raised in an

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Orthodox Jewish home, but he went atheist, then he went Buddhist,

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and so he was a believer in the const of I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know him. I don't know him. So is he

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the one claiming that this area where the burning bush

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was supposed to be is.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know whether he is or not, but

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he's the one making the claim that the Hebrew profits,

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or at least theorizing that the Hebrew profits used DMT

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or a substance similar to it to see into the

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spirit realm, and he wanted to do more experiments with

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DMT to see if we could find out how to

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harness the ability to prophesy using DMT. I don't know

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who's made that claim. Ayahuasca is a South American drug

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that's been used for centuries, I mean more than a

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thousand years in South America. But burning bush Burning Bush

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would have been somewhere in southeast of the Dead Sea.

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I mean, I know there are those who think that

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Moses encountered it in Arabia. We think it was at Petra,

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but that's for another book. But I don't think there

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are any I don't think there are any substances or

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naturally occurring substances in that region that have that effect

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have the effect of DMT.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, Yeah, there was one to describe these entities

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as reptilian beings or being describing them actually as reptilians,

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and there are a number of consistencies. Are the insectoids,

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the reptilians, and then these very tall, attractive humans almost

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like the Nordics, so very much like the UFO contact

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ease and the races that they claim that they contact

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on a regular basis. It's the reports of the observers

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were so consistent that doctor Strassman, who again went in

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this as a Buddhist, a believer in the concept of nirvana,

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where you lose yourself into the cosmic oneness, you know,

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you lose your self identity, that he left Eastern mysticism

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behind because he said, what I'm hearing from these volunteers

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in the experiments is so consistent that it disproves the

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idea that somewhere out there in the spirit realm, as

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there is a sort of cosmic mainframe that we will

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all merge with someday, we don't lose our sense of self,

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our sense of identity when we go into this other realm.

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But then again, is then, rather than returning to his

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religious roots as a Jew, he said, okay, well, it

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must be that Moses and Ezekiel, and Daniel and Isaiah

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were seeing all these things because they were tripping, so

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we need to do more experience to find out hot

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we can replicate that.

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