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Speaker 4: What is happening and what is up? Hold out your
glass because we're about to feel it up.
Speaker 2: All things continually lead back to serpents, dragons, fairies, nepheline,
and fallen angels.
Speaker 5: In the distance looms a mystical mountain.
Speaker 6: As Mike Heiser used to say, if it's in the
Bible and it's weird, it's probably important.
Speaker 5: At its peak, a great fire burns, concealing the Prometheus lenses.
Speaker 4: This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within
the mysteries.
Speaker 5: An ancient artifact said to reveal the hidden truth within
a deliberately darkened world.
Speaker 2: There is a hidden history that's been deliberately obscated from
the people's livil world.
Speaker 5: Join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown.
It's a hero's journey with dragons, to slay, damsels to save,
and innumerable treasures to hoard.
Speaker 4: Torches high the Smithsonian, they call wind of the Giant's belt,
would send their agents out to get it.
Speaker 5: But it takes courage to move forward, to move out
of the shadows, out.
Speaker 6: Of the unreality that we think of, this reality.
Speaker 4: We are all on the hero's journey.
Speaker 6: Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extra terrestrials.
Speaker 4: Leave the citient mound of bull feathers out of it, you.
Speaker 6: Know, look at it from a different perspected, different perspective pact.
Speaker 4: Hey, what is happening? What is up old actual glass?
You know what time it is, as we're about to
field it up. Welcome to the Prometheus Lens Podcast, the
place where the conversations they're always in a lightning. I'm
your host, justin here. We like to use the allegory
of the Prometheus Lens to take a second look at everything. Hey,
if you guys are within the sound of my voice
here in this recording, this means that you are an
all access pass holder and you missed out on the Man,
the myth, the legend, the walking, talking, living, breathing, walking Encyclopedia.
So you're having to just settle for just listening to
the reporting. I'll give you my condolences in advance, because
i'd already know I know the man. Well, this is
gonna be a great conversation. But Derek, just thank you
for taking the time on this spooky Friday the thirteenth
to come and hang out with us tonight.
Speaker 6: Happy to do it, brother, Always enjoy our conversations.
Speaker 4: Oh definitely. Well, this is the opportunity for you guys
to pick Derek's brain. Me and Derek conversate quite often,
so I don't want to take up the time. So
if you guys have any questions or anything that you
want to pitch to Derek, I'm gonna go ahead and
turn the floor over to the looks like at first.
Speaker 6: We got some shout okay, okay, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'll just lead off with one. Then
I'll cut the ice the pump. Yeah, I'll prime it
up here. Uh. I was watching some of the old films.
I actually bought that definitive collection of Joe Horn at
that conference that we were at that go there for
and was good on through some of those old films
and it's really cool to go back and see the
you know, the genesis of SkyWatch, and you guys had
mentioned a study in New Guinea about someone had studied
how they were cannib There was this cannibalistic tribe and
they done tests on their DNA and found that it
was changing their DNA on a German germline level. And
you just kind of just briefly just threw that out there,
you know, like it wouldn't a big thing because you
guys that knew all about it. I was just like,
what I wanted to worry about this? Could you could
you elaborate a little bit on that?
Speaker 5: I wish I could.
Speaker 6: That's this is one that one of the things Sharon
and I have found over the years is that when
we go back and listen to our old stuff, because
our podcasts began back in two thousand and five, so
we've got we've got content that goes back a long
long time, and we listened back some of those things
and we're sometimes surprised at what we've forgotten that we knew.
This was probably something that Sharon tossed out there, because
this is really in her Her degree is in elector
biology with with an emphasis engine excuse me emphasis on genetics.
So it's the kind of thing that she would probably
have paid more attention to than me because it's in
I'll be honest, it's not ringing a bell with me
at all.
Speaker 2: Because when I heard also something that's sorry justin oh
go ahead, that's something that's popping back up now in
our society. Like I just sent just in a text yesterday,
I was like, what in the cannibalism occult rituals is
this And there's people now eating female reproductive organs I
mean phallopian tubes and placenta is So that's that's something
that's happening now in the United States too, So I'm
curious curious also about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I got a talk coming up with Sharon.
I'll be sure to bring that up with her and
see what Thanks, yeah, because it was it sparked my curiosity,
especially where I had that conversation with Enoch Puatrist and
he was talking about the basically the spirit cooking of
today that the the giants. It was his theory that
was through ritual and through cannibalistic means, we're changing their
DNA and taking in mass amounts of human growth hormone
and he thinks that that could be a reason for
the return of the Nephilum.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's also talked about She's also talked about the
epigenetic changes that might take place through rituals, and we've
talked about that regarding say, Goliath and the post flood giants.
It is our belief that God wouldn't have made a
mistake and accidentally allowed this bloodline to continue on the arc.
And while it's possible that there was a second incursion
of angels mating with human women, it's also possible that
the spirit realm looked at what happened to that generation
of watchers who did and the punishment they received, decided
they didn't want to go through that anymore. So if
that's the case, how do you get these philistine giants,
Especially when you look at Second Samuel twenty one and
the word translated as descendant of the giant, where you
talk about the giants like ishv ben Ov and Goliath
being descendants of the Rafa descendants of the giant, Rafa
being the singular form of refinem. That word descendant does
not mean descendant, It doesn't mean genetic blood relative of
the giants. The word In Hebrew, yalid actually means one
who's a member of a group into which one's been
consecrated or initiated, so it's like a cult member. On
the other hand, you still got the fact that Goliath
is six cubits in a span in the Old Testament
four cubits and a span, and the subtuagen. Doctor Clyde
Billington explained the difference between the two as being the
difference between how a Hebrew of David's era, you know
eleventh century BC tenth century BC, where a cubit may
you know the distance between your elbow and your your fingertip.
For an average Israelite who's five foot four, that may
only have been a fifteen inch cubit. But the royal
cubit of the Egyptians at the time the situagent was translated,
it was like twenty two and a half inches or
something like that.
Speaker 7: So in order to keep the tame as both too,
like the arc that was the same thing, it was
measured by the royal cubit, not the cubit.
Speaker 6: The cubit inach you know, of which your mileage may
vary correct, which would make mass producing things difficult because
you're talking about a six footer's cubit or a guy
who's David size five foot four. But the point is
that there's no difference between the six cubans in a
span and the four cubans in a span. According to
doctor Billington, it both works out to about eight feet tall,
which is still really really big.
Speaker 5: How did he get that big?
Speaker 6: Epigenetics is one possible answer, So, without having to go
back on, yeah, there was a second incursion of watcher
class angels.
Speaker 5: Who co mingled with human women.
Speaker 6: So but yeah, when you start talking about genetics, shared
is the one you got to talk to.
Speaker 2: So, Derek, you you'll have to forgive me. I'm a
newbie in this space, okay, Like I've been here less
than a year, so everything is new to me, and
so I'm I also don't know your specific area of expertise,
So what what is your I know, I'm sorry that might.
Speaker 5: Sound Oh that's all right, that's all right, just.
Speaker 2: Starting this journey, So please be patient. What is your
expertise because.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I'm not sure I have one either.
It's there are areas that I've studied and I'm sort
of a what you would call a generalist, I suppose
where I look at these various silos of information, where
you've got scholars who may be Assyriologists, you know, experts
in what the Assyrians did, but they don't really pay
much attention to what was happening in the Minoan culture,
or a hit titologist who studied the Hittite culture of
ancient Anatolia, but they're not really versed on what happened
in Uh in Sumer. And so you know, I'm trying
to collate a bunch of stuff and put it all together.
If I had to say one thing, I guess it
would be the uh the story of the giants of
the Bible and how they how, and why they're relevant
to us as Christians, and why they're important to Christian
theology and Jewish theology. Really, we've done a number of
books that have dug deep into that, like Veneration, which
was really focused on the origin of demons and the
cult of the Nepheline and the Ancient World Giants, Gods
and Dragons, which was inspired by a news story a
few years ago about players of the game Dungeons and
Dragons who got upset because the Orcs are always depicted
as evil. Now, if you know anything about the works
of J. R. R. Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit,
the Orcs were evil. They were irredeemably evil. But if
you're a player of Dungeons and Dragons and you don't
have the backstory, you just have the inherited fantasy world
created by J. R. R. Tolkien of elves and Orcs
and trolls and dwarfs and so on, you might look
at this and say, well, okay, it looks to me
as though the only reason the Orcs are evil is
because they have colored skin, and the elves are always
depicted as blonde and fair skinned, and so that's racist.
And so the producer of the game said, all right,
we'll change the game and future additions where you can
play the Orcs as good if you want. Now, I
don't know if you're following what's going on with the
Lord of the Rings Rings of Power series on Amazon
The Power Yeah, yeah, well they're actually depicting the Orcs
as we don't want to go to war. I'm going
to stay home with my my Orc wife and my
Orc children.
Speaker 5: Like why yes, yes.
Speaker 2: The main yes, the main Orc. Yes, yes, they are
the main or the main orc is like, but my wife.
Speaker 6: And my baby, right, right, So we can laugh at
the players of Dungeons and Dragons for protesting the treatment
of fictional characters, the orcs. They're treating these fictional characters
like they're real, and they're getting upset and they're protesting,
and we can laugh at them. But then it dawned
on us, like, wait a minute. We Christians, according to
survey after survey, treat the majority of the characters in
the Bible, which we say we believe is the Word
of God as though they're fiction. Sixty percent of American
Christians don't think Satan is real, much less demons. So
you know who, yeah, who are we to laugh at
the players of Dungeons and Dragons treating fictional characters.
Speaker 2: You listen to the Summarillion where you read the Summarillion,
you know where orcs actually come from, right, So christ.
Speaker 6: Yet, so they're they're essentially fallen angels, twisted fallen age.
So again, we can laugh at the characters treating that
the people who are treating fictional characters like the real
But we're taking characters in the Word of God who
he calls gods and giants and dragons and treating them
as though they're fiction. So that's kind of where San
and I have gone. We've taken the teachings of doctor
Michael Heiser and his Divine Council worldview and investigating how
that affects our understanding of the Bible.
Speaker 2: I just finished The Unseen Realm. Yep, that's an aggressive book.
Huh yeah, but yeah. Do you actually believe I came
into this space after he was already passed? So rest
of peace, God rest is so so all I have
are the people who are basically carrying the torch and
taking it for him. But dragons? Do you actually think
that dragons? Do you believe that dragons can? Not that
they did exist, but that they will exist again.
Speaker 5: I think they do exist.
Speaker 6: It's just that, like most of the angelic realm, we
don't perceive them with our limited human perceptions. Were we
were created to occupy this natural space, which is why
Jude refers to the angels who sinned a reference to
the sons of God in Genesis chapter six as those
who kept not their proper estate, who left their proper dwelling,
and so on. They were created for the spirit realm.
They intruded on our realm and meddled with humanity, and
that's why they left their first estate of their proper dwelling.
When you look at descriptions of, for example, the fiery
serpents that afflicted the Israelites in Numbers chapter twenty one,
if I remember correctly, the words in Hebrew for the
fiery serpents is saraf, which is the singular form of
serapheme described by Isaiah and Isaiah chapter six, and nakash,
which is the word translated serpent back in Genesis chapter three.
So you've got nakash saraf in one case, nakashim seraphim plural,
which suggests that nakashim serpents or serpentine beings, because we
don't think that the snake in the garden was actually
a talking snake.
Speaker 5: It was a being that.
Speaker 6: Even Adam were used to seeing there. They were part
of the divine council, used interchangeably with Seraphene, who were
the throne guardians Isaiah saw in Isaiah. Well, the word
nakash has that range of meanings. According to Mike Heiser
and Mike, drawing on accepted Hebrew translations, it can refer
to one that is glowing, almost like polished brass. So
you may have a in the nakash you may have
a being that has serpentine appearance but is also radiant
and glowing, which would fit with seraphine because aaf and
Hebrew is a verb that means burning. So the seraphine, literally,
if the word derives from Hebrew, means the burning ones.
So Nakashim seraphine, you've got these fiery serpents. And then
in Isaiah you've got the flying serpents that are afflicting
the Hebrews. So you know, again you got flying fiery serpents,
the seraphime six wings, and what would you call a
flying fiery serpent other than a dragon realm.
Speaker 4: Also, you know, you had these guys that book, it
was called she what was the name of it, The
Cosmic Serpent. Them guys talk about all their d MT
experiences going into this astral realm, every single one of
them without every single experience with a snake. And it's
a now I'll describe as shining and shimmering and the
scales are glowing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: In fact, Sharon and I reference that in our well, actually,
the book is kind of out already The hard copy
is not going to be out till October fifteenth, but
apparently the Amazon audible edition is already out there, called
The Gates of Hell. And we get into the the
d MT experiments of doctor Rick Strassman and the what
do you call it? The spirit molecule. I interviewed him
years ago about that, and yeah, it was when you've
got multiple witnesses who are reporting seeing the same thing
at the same time, given that mass hallucinations are not
a thing, you basically have multiple people seeing into that
spirit realm. And this really took Strassman by surprise, but
those were entities that were reported by more than a
few observers. And you want to be described spirit molecule,
the spirit molecule, Yeah, d MT, it's it's the molecule.
It's the active ingredient in ayahuasca and it's found in
the brain.
Speaker 5: There's a theory that was isn't that?
Speaker 2: Isn't that? What they're saying is now surrounding the quote
unquote burning bush, like the area where the burning bush was,
they're saying that that is now there's a plant out
there that now grows that naturally produces that. And they're
saying that the reason that Moses had that experience is
because he was like high Well.
Speaker 6: Strassman argued that in his follow up book, to the
Spirit Molecule, and I think he called the spirit of
prophecy or something to that effect. But he was arguing
that the Hebrew prophets had been dosed with DMT somehow,
or they were dosing themselves with DMT or something similar,
which is why they were able to see in the
spirit realm, which of course ignores the biblical narrative that
they were always taken into that realm by an angelic guide.
So I think doctor Strassman didn't quite interpret the scriptures.
That his story is that he was raised in an
Orthodox Jewish home, but he went atheist, then he went Buddhist,
and so he was a believer in the const of I.
Speaker 2: Don't know him. I don't know him. So is he
the one claiming that this area where the burning bush
was supposed to be is.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know whether he is or not, but
he's the one making the claim that the Hebrew profits,
or at least theorizing that the Hebrew profits used DMT
or a substance similar to it to see into the
spirit realm, and he wanted to do more experiments with
DMT to see if we could find out how to
harness the ability to prophesy using DMT. I don't know
who's made that claim. Ayahuasca is a South American drug
that's been used for centuries, I mean more than a
thousand years in South America. But burning bush Burning Bush
would have been somewhere in southeast of the Dead Sea.
I mean, I know there are those who think that
Moses encountered it in Arabia. We think it was at Petra,
but that's for another book. But I don't think there
are any I don't think there are any substances or
naturally occurring substances in that region that have that effect
have the effect of DMT.
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Speaker 3: Back to the xisod.
Speaker 6: So anyway, Yeah, there was one to describe these entities
as reptilian beings or being describing them actually as reptilians,
and there are a number of consistencies. Are the insectoids,
the reptilians, and then these very tall, attractive humans almost
like the Nordics, so very much like the UFO contact
ease and the races that they claim that they contact
on a regular basis. It's the reports of the observers
were so consistent that doctor Strassman, who again went in
this as a Buddhist, a believer in the concept of nirvana,
where you lose yourself into the cosmic oneness, you know,
you lose your self identity, that he left Eastern mysticism
behind because he said, what I'm hearing from these volunteers
in the experiments is so consistent that it disproves the
idea that somewhere out there in the spirit realm, as
there is a sort of cosmic mainframe that we will
all merge with someday, we don't lose our sense of self,
our sense of identity when we go into this other realm.
But then again, is then, rather than returning to his
religious roots as a Jew, he said, okay, well, it
must be that Moses and Ezekiel, and Daniel and Isaiah
were seeing all these things because they were tripping, so
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