WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:13.320 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on 2 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:30.559 Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee. 3 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:37.119 I know I've talked about this before at some point 4 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.520 over my nine plus years here on this station, but 5 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.159 I would have if you had told me thirty years 6 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:48.000 ago that this market sports radio market, and really just 7 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:50.520 the coverage of sports in the market, rather it be 8 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:55.200 television radio historically or just now fan creators, which is 9 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:59.280 a big thing, I would have expected there to be 10 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:04.439 more Indiana Hoo's your presence than there is, not nearly 11 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:06.840 as much as U of L or nearly as much 12 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.879 as UK. But we're like, I mean, heck, I'm right 13 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:11.599 across the river from Indiana right now. A lot of 14 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.359 people listen to us in Indiana. I have family that 15 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.519 lives in Indiana. We're not that far actually from Bloomington. 16 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:19.640 And again it's always been this way, But when you 17 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.879 really consider it, I think most would be surprised if 18 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:24.480 you just ended up here and you realize how close 19 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:29.120 you are to another humongous institution in a big fan 20 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:30.879 base in Indiana. The Louisville market. 21 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:31.640 Again, they get. 22 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:34.640 Covered obviously, there's certain TV stations here in town, I 23 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.560 think that cover Indiana a little bit more extensively than others, 24 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.319 and it's those who have bigger sports departments and those 25 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:43.400 who haven't who have alums who went to Indiana. But nonetheless, 26 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.400 I say all that to say, maybe the fact that 27 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.319 they just don't get talked about like one of the 28 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:51.319 local programs at all to the extent that you get 29 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:52.640 with U of L in UK. Maybe that's why I 30 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.319 didn't realize this. But I've never once thought about Indiana 31 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.760 the Hoosiers not having a mascot, never even once. 32 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:00.519 Cannsidered it. 33 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.519 Austin, I know you haven't lived here as long as 34 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:04.879 I have, but aren't I mean, I think you kind 35 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:06.280 of said the same thing at the start of the show, 36 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:07.599 like you never realized it right. 37 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.400 Now, I would shocked, And and when I think about it, 38 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:13.000 like what would it be, I can tell you, uh, yeah, 39 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:13.520 go play. 40 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.840 So I thought when I saw this, by the way, 41 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:17.759 this story, I don't know when it got put out 42 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:19.680 at WDRB its Rick Bose that you put it out there, 43 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:21.400 and I hadn't even read it yet, but I just 44 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:23.240 saw the link to it right when we started the show. 45 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.400 I thought he was. 46 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:29.319 Covering that they're going to create a mascot. Technically, Indiana 47 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.879 has a mascot, they just haven't used it in a 48 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:37.000 long long time. So they're bringing back Hoosier the Bison 49 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.240 and it's pure the Bison. 50 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:41.039 Yeah, Hoosier the. 51 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.400 Bison is apparently going to be I don't know if 52 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.080 I like that. I mean, if they were starting from 53 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.560 scratch to your point though, like what would it like? 54 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:49.400 What would it be like that? 55 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:55.000 Like a Hoosier is is? I mean, like a Hoosier 56 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.599 is basically like West Virginia being the Mountaineers right their 57 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:01.520 mascot at West Virginia WVU is a mountaineer human being 58 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:04.240 like a man. Can you create a Hoosier and just 59 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.080 like that you that you strut out there at halftime 60 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.840 to perform with the dance team to be on the 61 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:14.000 field before they to run onto the field with your 62 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.000 with your football team, like it would be a real force. 63 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:21.319 And you know, everybody's a mountaineer has had such a 64 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.280 such a distinct look as far as the different people 65 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:28.319 that have been the live mountaineer at games or the 66 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:32.280 the leprechaun at Notre Dame, they've all looked the same, right, 67 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:34.199 It's been the same thing, just a different version of 68 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.400 it as somebody gets old or gets fired or whatever 69 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.759 it may be. I think that, and this is such 70 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.439 a West Virginia thing that you wouldn't believe it, but 71 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:43.400 it's true. The Mountaineer that was the mountaineer a while back, 72 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.439 maybe fifteen years ago something like that. He got fired 73 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.680 because he got a bunch of deuise. So you know, 74 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.199 when you're the mountain exactly true of the name, it 75 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:52.599 seems like. 76 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.840 So anyways, well, I just always thought that, I mean, 77 00:03:54.879 --> 00:04:00.280 if anything with Indiana go with like I mean, I 78 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.680 don't know, like Stanford has like the tree, right, it's 79 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:05.919 just and that's real stupid though, Christmas Tree. And then 80 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.280 like let's say, well this is the pros. But like 81 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.680 the Phillies they got like the Philly fanatic, Like I 82 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.439 don't know what that thing is. 83 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.840 It's like, have you seen what the devison looks like? No, 84 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:15.439 I haven't. 85 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.120 I just DMD you on Twitter the link that has 86 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:21.639 a look at what because they're bringing it back because 87 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:25.560 it was actually a thing from nineteen sixty five to 88 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:26.920 nineteen sixty nine. 89 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:28.680 They looks terrifying. 90 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.120 Yeah, and again as to what I just talked about, 91 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:34.040 when I think of a Hoosier. I don't really know 92 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:35.839 what I would think of as far as a mascot 93 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:37.839 at all, but I certainly don't think bison. 94 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.600 You know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I don't know. 95 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.800 Isn't there like a Buffalo trace up in Indiana somewhere 96 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:47.079 I don't called Buffalo Trace, not the distillery, but we 97 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.240 used to go to like a beach looking area when 98 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.480 I was a kid, and they called it Buffalo Trace 99 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:52.000 or Chase. 100 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:52.759 So I don't know. 101 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.800 I'm I'm kind of learning on the go here as 102 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.839 I look into this on the air. Maybe they called 103 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:02.639 themselves like maybe they weren't the Hoosiers, they were the Indiana, 104 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.199 the IU Bison. And then it just and then they 105 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:08.279 realized that Indiana. I don't even really know where the 106 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.600 name Hoosier comes from. I just know it's I think 107 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:11.120 of Indiana. 108 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.120 If you can make up the name like Hoosier, then 109 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:14.600 you can make up your own damn mascot. 110 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:14.959 Yeah. 111 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.519 So anyways, Uh, the belief is that they're gonna they're 112 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:22.519 gonna make it official because there's gonna be it looks like, uh, yeah, 113 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:24.639 there's gonna be a fan event on Wednesday night, I 114 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.600 guess in Bloomington that's gonna feature both Kurt Signetti and 115 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.600 newly hired hoops coach Darien DeVries. So apparently this is 116 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.519 this They're they pretty much confirmed it with some sposh 117 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:36.360 social media stuff that they are doing this, and I 118 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.800 guess it'll be official at this at this fan event 119 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.399 tomorrow night. But with IU football gaining momentum after the 120 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.279 CFP appearance CFP Playoff appearance last year, the Bison is 121 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.120 expected a boost fan engagement in merchandise sales. 122 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.040 I don't think so. I mean, I don't know how 123 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:53.480 much it's gonna hurt it or if it will hurt 124 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:54.439 it at all, but it. 125 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:56.279 Will be exciting for a couple of weeks. 126 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:57.600 Yeah, but it's so. 127 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:02.399 But imagine us as Louisville and knowing they were gonna 128 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.319 throw something at us that is like that's not us, 129 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.399 and it would be so uncomfortable and weird and feel 130 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.480 forced to where like if you're an Indiana fan and 131 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.519 you're like, Okay, I get it, we don't have a mascot. 132 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.720 But this this, this is a is a forest. 133 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.879 Yeah, Like I remember I was pissed off when Adidas 134 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.439 gave us the murder bird uniforms when we played Auburn 135 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:23.319 and the Chick fil A kickoff classic because they put 136 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.279 a bird on there that's quite literally not our mascot, 137 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:28.480 not even like a version of it. It had green 138 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:32.800 eyes and just looked like a really scary alien. 139 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.240 Type bird, a scary bird. 140 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.040 So I mean, anyways, Indiana's getting a mascot and I 141 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.399 never even realized that they didn't have one, which I 142 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:45.199 think probably makes you realize. And I'm not saying just 143 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:46.879 because of me. I bet there's a lot of people 144 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.319 that have been fined with just Hoosiers. It's the Hoosiers, 145 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.920 and we don't have an animal or a human that 146 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.439 runs out and is the actual mascot. But like, if 147 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.319 you really, you know, you haven't needed it, then why 148 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.279 do you need it now? Maybe because it might Like 149 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:00.720 to me, it just seems like a real force. But 150 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.120 I'm sure those that were alive and thriving in the 151 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:07.399 sixty five through sixty nine era when they had the bison, 152 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:09.079 maybe they'll be excited. 153 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.079 But our guy, Kenny Johnson's gonna be there. 154 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.040 He's going to be in the building, that's right, which 155 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.959 I'm glad you mentioned that. Talk about a talk about 156 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:22.560 an unpredictable, unbelievable type of scenario. Here were Kenny Johnson, 157 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.720 which when I say Kenny Johnson, I think a lot 158 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:26.319 of people know who I'm talking about if you're a 159 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:28.079 Louis a basketball fan. But I don't know, maybe you 160 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.759 forgot or maybe you just don't know because he hasn't 161 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:32.480 been an assistant coach here for a long time. But 162 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:37.319 Kenny Johnson has been hired officially back at Indiana and 163 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:41.839 he's joining Darian Devree's staff. And this is after being 164 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.839 at Indiana more than ten years ago. So Kenny Johnson 165 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.360 was at Indiana for I guess three seasons and at 166 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:52.920 the time, you know, college basketball was a lot different. 167 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.959 But he was Tom Crean's ace recruiter, a guy that 168 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:01.879 has you know, been I mean at that time, I 169 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.720 mean again, recruiting was so different because you like, these 170 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:09.279 guys were powerful as hell assistant coaches who had the 171 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.480 relationships with the shoe companies on the circuit, and they 172 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.319 were young, relatable, They could go into homes parents and 173 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.399 players loved them. They had a lot of charisma. I mean, 174 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:21.639 nowadays you just talk about money and you got to 175 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:23.959 be somewhat relatable. And it'll all work out. I mean, 176 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.040 you don't need these guys, no offense to them. What 177 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.720 they bring to the table just isn't quite as valuable 178 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.320 or really you know, being sought after by college basketball 179 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.440 head coaches because money is what they need. So anyways, 180 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:39.200 he was great at Indiana and then Rick Pritino stole him. 181 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.039 So he came to Louisville in twenty fourteen and was 182 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.480 here until it all came to an end with Rick 183 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.440 and Kenny. I mean since I mean he was he 184 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.200 was involved in the I mean, did he get a 185 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.320 show cause, I mean. 186 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:55.600 He was involved in the Prime Bow. 187 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:58.759 Yeah, the whole brun I mean, here's here, here's what 188 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.600 is believed when it comes to and I believe this myself. 189 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:04.159 I can't prove it, and you know I don't have 190 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.000 all details, but I I mean, I believe that Kenny 191 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:16.080 Johnson leaving for Louisville and Louisville essentially you know, taking 192 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:21.240 Indiana and Tom Crane's best recruiter that led to the 193 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:25.519 ultimate downfall of the Patino era. And it's because the 194 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:27.600 Katina palle stuff. There's really no way to talk. I've 195 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.480 tried many times, and I've never been able to find 196 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:31.519 a comfortable spot because it's just an uncomfortable thing to 197 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:33.559 talk about. But the Katina pal stuff, the fact that 198 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:35.120 there was an ounce of truth to what she said 199 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.440 is gross and that's awful, and punishment was needed and 200 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:46.039 we got punished. But overall, the book became a thing 201 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.240 because of IU people that were bothered by it and. 202 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:52.360 Ran with it. 203 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.720 So I think they were jealous that Kenny Johnson left 204 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:56.919 and they'd heard some things about what went on on 205 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:00.919 a recruiting visit and they got into with Katina Powell. 206 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:03.440 When I say they, I mean people who own a 207 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.240 publishing company that published books, and they put it in motion. 208 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:10.200 It became clearly a very sensationalized story because of the 209 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.320 nature of what went on and clearly her being on TV. 210 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.639 I mean, she's she's something. I mean, that's the best 211 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.639 thing to say without being, you know, a jerk. But 212 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:22.360 I think you all know what I mean when I 213 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:24.720 say she's she's a real piece of work. But like, 214 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.840 it all became a huge story, and it was I 215 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.360 think rooted because Indiana wanted to get Louisville in trouble 216 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.600 because they were bothered at Kenny Johnson left, so he's 217 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:36.559 not tied to anything that went on at Minardie Hall 218 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.799 and whatnot. But I think the whole plan to try 219 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:44.480 to blow up Louisville was due to at least one 220 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.399 of the big factors, and why this all came together 221 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.799 was because of bitterness towards Kenny Johnson leaving. Well then 222 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.200 you know Kenny was in fact involved in the in 223 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.240 the Brian Bowen thing, and that ultimately was the biggest 224 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:57.200 nail on the coffin for the Patino era because it 225 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.879 all ended whenever we realized that Ruck Patino was coached too. 226 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:05.879 And what always worried me always about Louisville eventually getting 227 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:11.279 like real big punishment was that in court under oath, 228 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:16.480 both Brian Bowen's father and Kenny Johnson, I believe, were 229 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:20.639 I mean confirmed that Kenny Johnson paid him money and 230 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.240 like he while Brian Bowen was already here. They met 231 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:26.279 up at a gas station or some market in downtown 232 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:28.960 and he gave him money, but it was his own 233 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:30.759 money out of his own personal account. He was talking 234 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:34.840 about how he was talking about how he hoped his 235 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.080 wife didn't ask where the money had come from because 236 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.320 there wasn't really big organ there wasn't a big orchestrated 237 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.919 plan to get Brian Bowen paid by UFL coaches. It 238 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.360 was all a plan to get him paid through like 239 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:49.399 Adidas somehow. And even if you were on the even 240 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.120 if you were kind of in the know that something 241 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:54.720 was going on, anybody with a brain didn't talk about it, 242 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.080 didn't address it because it was all being done by 243 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:00.559 people behind the scenes, and the more loosely out there, 244 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.159 the better likelihood you have of it blowing up, just 245 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.200 like it happened with the Adidas and everybody that was involved. 246 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:11.360 But Brian Bowen's dad kind of cornered Kenny Johnson like 247 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.559 wanting money, and Kenny was, you know this time they're 248 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.320 in private, like they don't they don't know that they're 249 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.399 being recorded. But he's like, what are you talking about money? 250 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:21.519 Like I don't have any money? Like what do you 251 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:23.519 what do you mean? Like you know, what is this 252 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:25.320 about kind of thing, And Kenny Johnson, I think, just 253 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.320 in fear of like it blowing up, just stupidly decided 254 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:29.879 to give him I think it was like twelve hundred 255 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:32.519 dollars or something like that. And but that was, you know, 256 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:34.440 that was that was the one thing that worried me 257 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:39.519 because regardless of how unpredictably the NC double a is, 258 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.600 regardless of how long the actual thing played out, like 259 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.320 by the way I think Louisville being in limbo not 260 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.960 knowing their fate for so long. To me, that's basically 261 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:50.039 like having the death penalty. 262 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:50.600 It really is. 263 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:54.200 So we didn't get that, but we kind of did, 264 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:55.519 if you know what I mean. But what I'm getting 265 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:59.639 at is it was under oath, meaning, look, the NC 266 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:03.320 double doesn't have subpoena power. They can't force people to talk. 267 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.879 What they can do is claim you were under oath 268 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:08.440 in federal court and this is what was said. This 269 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.440 is the best way we have to get legitimate information. 270 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.360 We are taking what was said under oath. We can't 271 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:17.559 force any you know, that's the best way they would 272 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:20.679 have to get information. So it was under oath that 273 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.120 while Louisville was on probation for the Minority Hall stuff, 274 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:31.080 Tina pal stuff, Kenny Johnson gave a player's dad money. 275 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.360 I mean that that technically means you've I mean like 276 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.000 that if they wanted to, they could have given you 277 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:38.120 the most. To me, they could have given you the 278 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.200 death penalty. I don't think that's realistic this day and 279 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.960 age at all. And I also and I also think 280 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.240 the IARP process, which by the way, how random is that. 281 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.879 That's a process you had to fight the NCAA that 282 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.600 now no longer exists. It was available for a brief. 283 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.519 Amount of time. Louisville went through it, and I. 284 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.039 Believe that was a big factor in how they were 285 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.000 able to I mean again, didn't make sense to punish 286 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.799 then many years later whenever, quite literally, you'd be taking 287 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:07.159 away a potential postseason from players that were in middle 288 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.799 school when this stuff happened. So anyways, Yeah, Kenny Johnson, 289 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.720 he ended up getting fired at Louisville, and I think 290 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:17.799 he still lived here for a little while. And if 291 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.559 you remember, Patino would always make his coaches lose weight 292 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.639 who were really big. Scotty Davenport lost a ton of 293 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:26.679 weight when he joined Rick Staff, Kenny Johnson lost a 294 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.720 ton of weight. Why King Jones lost a ton of 295 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:30.600 weight and then Kenny had put a lot of it 296 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.559 back on at the time, and I'd run into be 297 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.559 in Louisville. I just felt sad thinking, you know, I 298 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:39.200 really don't know what you know, his direct level was 299 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.639 in anything as far as the wrongdoing. But like his 300 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:44.200 you know, his he kind of his life got kind 301 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:45.720 of blown up, and I don't really know if that 302 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.080 was fair to him. But anyways, he was out of 303 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.799 basketball for a little while, and then he landed on. 304 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.799 LaSalle's staff for a couple of years. 305 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:58.759 And then after that he ended up not coaching for 306 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.840 a couple of years, and then he resurfaced with Archie 307 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.240 Miller at Rhode Island, where he was there for a 308 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.679 couple of seasons, and then last year he spent one 309 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:13.720 season at Georgetown coaching with At Cooley as an assistant, 310 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.559 and then now he's moving to coach at Indiana once 311 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.559 again for Darian Debris. So clearly he's a guy that 312 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:23.720 despite the history with the NCAA, he's a guy that 313 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.559 head coaches won around and you know, good for him. 314 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.639 It's just why you imagine telling anybody or even Kenny Johnson, 315 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.279 and you know, twenty seventeen eighteen, when all this would happen, 316 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.320 that eight years later or whatever the timeline would have been, 317 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.120 you'd be back in college at a high level university 318 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:43.080 at Indiana. I mean, it's just college athletics has changed 319 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.639 so much. I mean, there was such coverage around here, 320 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:51.720 specifically about all of this. Brian Bowen Adidas, the FBI 321 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:54.720 having the press conference saying we got your playbook, We're 322 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.720 coming for you. And now that's just the way it 323 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:00.679 works where you have to pay, I mean you have 324 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.200 to pay to get players. In fact, now schools have 325 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.240 to share revenue. You've got this twenty plus million dollars 326 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.639 that's going to be paid out by big schools, the 327 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:12.240 bigger schools in sports every year because they have to 328 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.240 share revenue. It's just it was such an archaic thing 329 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:20.799 for generations as far as how they wanted to run amateurism. 330 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.200 And then now here you are, and it's a completely 331 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.440 different world and a pretty quick amount of time almost 332 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:28.960 kind of hard to you know, even like keep up 333 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.960 with to be honest with you, let's see here, we 334 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.240 don't have a whole lot of time left. Again, we're 335 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.159 going to hand it off to the Bats. In fact, 336 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:36.840 we're gonna hand it off to Nick Curran as he 337 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.399 gets set to broadcast for the Louis of Bats this evening, 338 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:43.320 and I'm trying to seek and trying to use the 339 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:44.919 amount of time we have here. Oh yeah, this is 340 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.559 just something I wanted to to mention just because you 341 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:53.440 don't typically get as excited for freshmen as you used to, 342 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.279 just because now guys stick around in college longer and 343 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.279 you can have really good freshmen and they can be impactful. 344 00:16:58.320 --> 00:16:59.679 And it's not that you don't like them, it's just 345 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.559 the bigger additions made to your roster now that really 346 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.160 give you a sense for how good you're going to be, 347 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.279 or transfers more so than freshmen unless you've got, you know, 348 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.799 a really really good freshman that might be one of 349 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.759 the best freshmen in the country, might be a lottery 350 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:16.240 pick after one year. And that's that's Mikel Brown junior. 351 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.839 I mean, and he's made it to campus. He posted 352 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:20.559 some stuff over the weekend. I guess he moved in, 353 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.000 and he's posted some stuff on his Instagram of him 354 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.559 working out of the facility. And again, that's what you 355 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.960 would expect. And it's really not exciting as far as 356 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.519 just seeing it. But this is something that used to 357 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.880 be a big deal freshmen showing up. They finally made 358 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.880 it to campus, and you know, now you don't really 359 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.039 worry about a kid not showing up because there's likely 360 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.799 a lot of money at play for kid. For said 361 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.000 kid to show up, and I'm gonna have to. This 362 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:47.920 is going to be an unusual experience for me as 363 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.039 a Louisville fan, because, as we've discussed before, there's been 364 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.759 some good freshmen clearly that have played at Louisville, made 365 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:56.680 a big impact, helped you with some of the better 366 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.839 teams we've had around here. I mean, look at never 367 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.559 nervous purpose. I mean clearly, freshmen have at times been 368 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.720 counted upon and played a big role. Montrez Harrell on 369 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:08.000 that national championship team. He didn't average a lot of points, 370 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.799 but man, he made an impact. He was a factor 371 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.599 in why you were as good as you were. But 372 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:20.640 I can't remember the last time, maybe ever, there's been 373 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:24.599 a freshman that is entering his career at Louisville that 374 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.680 not only is expected to be this good, but a 375 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:32.640 guy that we're like, I mean well aware that he's 376 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.240 a big piece to what we do. Like he need 377 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.559 as a freshman for Louisville to have the type of 378 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.440 season that a lot of folks expect them to have. 379 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:41.519 And if you haven't paid attention, they're viewed to be 380 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:43.680 one of the preseason top ten teams in the country 381 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:46.240 by just about everybody to be honest with you. And 382 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:50.480 part of that is because freshman Michel Brown Jr. Is 383 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.839 in the mix here, and it's just it's just gonna 384 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:57.000 be husual. Like for like last year, anything you got 385 00:18:57.079 --> 00:18:59.359 and I think you got enough to where he helped you. 386 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:01.400 And I also happened to think. 387 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.200 That he's got a really really bright future and you 388 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:06.880 saw the upside. But like last year, anything that can 389 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.039 I roostd was just a bonus to me, right, Like 390 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:11.119 he was a freshman that would get minutes here and 391 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:11.920 there and you'd see. 392 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:13.440 The upside like it was the old school way. 393 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.200 Well now, I mean not only because of how good 394 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.960 mckel brown Junior is expected to be, but also because 395 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.119 you know he's your point guard. 396 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:22.680 He's the guy. 397 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:24.279 Not to say that you're not gonna have other guys 398 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:26.640 in the backcourt that can help you. Clearly they've got 399 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.319 some other good guards they've added from the portal. Kobe 400 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.000 Rodgers is going to be healthy, but you've got the 401 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:36.839