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Speaker 1: A typical UFO abduction account before it was typical by

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Charles Lear. UFO abduction accounts of gray aliens taking people

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from their homes and examining them in their spaceships started

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becoming typical after the publication in nineteen eighty one of

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Bot Hopkins's book Missing Time. However, there is an early

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account with these elements in the nineteen seventy seven book

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Abducted Confrontations with Beings from Outer Space by the founders

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of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization CORAL and Jim Lorenzen.

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The case was investigated by APRO field investigator Kevin Randall,

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an APRO consultant and director of research doctor James Harder.

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Years later, Randall presented his thoughts on the case, which

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provide some insight into how the typical oh UFO abduction

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narrative might have evolved. The person who reported the abduction

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profiled in the Lorenzen's book is given the pseudonym Patty Price,

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and she is described as a divorced mother of six

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children in a small town in a Midwestern state. According

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to the account, on October sixteenth, nineteen seventy three, the

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family had just moved into the house, and after a

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hectic and tiring day, Patty fell asleep on her couch

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along with her five year old son Keith. Her other

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five children are said to have been tucked into their beds,

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and around midnight she woke up and was scared due

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to the fact that there have been reports of a

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prowler in the area. She gathered up her children and

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took them to a friend's house down the street, where

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she called the police. She had no phone of her own.

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The family is described as discussing the events of the

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previous night on the following morning and speculating about the

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possibility of a prowler. Patty's seven year old daughter Dotty said, Mamma,

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it wasn't a prowler, it was a spaceman. She is

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said to have been adamant about this, in spite of

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what anyone said. According to the account, Patty didn't think

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about that night again until she picked up a copy

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of Saga magazine in the spring of nineteen seventy five

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and read accounts in there of people who'd claim to

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have had UFO experiences. She wrote the magazine and they

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turned the case over to Kevin Randall, a young field

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investigator for APRO. Randall contacted APRO, saying he wanted to

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look into the case and asked them to recommend the

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case to one of the consultants proficient in hypnosis, and

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Harder is the person they chose. When Randal talked to

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the family, he learned that they had initially woken up

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because Keith was screaming that he saw a skeleton in

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the corner. Their cat was yowling, and a neighbor's dog

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was barking furiously, and Patty decided then to go to

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her friend's house. Dotty added to her account of the

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space man and told a long story about a spaceship

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and said to her mother, they didn't make me forget.

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She described the craft, the creatures on it, and creatures

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that had come into the house, and the oldest of

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the children, Betty, agreed with Dotty and her descriptions. Randa

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was convinced that something had happened that night, as there

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were other reports of some one moving about the area,

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and when he asked about Patty's character, those he spoke

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with thought of her as a reliable person, so he

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made arrangements for another meeting with Harder himself and the

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family on July eighth, nineteen seventy five. That morning, hard

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spoke with Patty and the children who had been involved,

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and then put Patty into a slight trance. Patty described

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a bright light, two figures standing over her, and said

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Keith wasn't with her. She described the creatures as bright

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and skinny, and said they were dressed like people in

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the service. The story came out that she, Betty, Dotty, Keith,

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and another child, Steve, were taken and she found herself

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in a large, bright round room. She said she could

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see the stars through the side toward the top. She

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described four or five creatures in uniforms and machines like computers.

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She said the creatures were cold blooded and didn't wanter

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to know it, and that they treated her like a

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guinea pig. She said she didn't remember being examined, but

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knew that she was with coaxing from Harder. She described

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the creatures in more detail, saying they were just over

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four feet tall, very thin, with long arms, clawed hands

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with small thumbs, large slanted eyes, and were wearing, in

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the author's words, fluorescent clothing with sam brown belts impossibly gloves.

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She then described being floated over the ground back to

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the house and recounted how they had woken up and

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gone to her friend's house. Hypnosis was attempted on Betty

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later that night and Randall's hotel room. The house was

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too noisy, however, when questioned about the creatures, she woke up.

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This happened on the second attempt as well. Dotty was

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then questioned without hypnosis, and she described a line of

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people that included Betty and two neighbor boys waiting to

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get on the machine. She said the creatures thought at

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me with their heads. When questioned the next morning at

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her home, she described two creatures being in the house,

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one in the corner and one near the couch, and

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said the one in the corner told her she wouldn't

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be sick any more. Randal was said to have pointed

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out in his report to Apro that she had been

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very ill prior to the experience and was in good health. Afterwards,

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Patty was put under again, and she recalled more about

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the examination and said they had lots of machines. Harder

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asked for some of those machines attached to you by

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wires and got no response. She then said they put

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me on a table and hooked me up on one

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leg and one arm. She said angrily, I didn't like

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their examination. Harder asked if it was a guide exam,

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and she said that's part of it. I don't like

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what they do with my head. She said they were

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taking her thoughts. Asked how they did that, she said,

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they put a needle in and they took my mind,

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my thoughts. Another detail that came out was that there

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was a human in the room examining her as well,

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who was wearing horned rimmed glasses and was bald with

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a fringe of gray on the sides. Patty spoke of

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needles being pushed into her and being asked about her family,

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what she loved and hated, and what animals she liked.

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She said they need us. She also said they limited time,

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and when asked what gave her the idea that their

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time was limited, she explained, not amount of time. I

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don't I don't know what it means. That night, both

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Petty and Patty were put under together for one last session.

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Patty was given pen and paper and was asked to

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draw the alien, and the resulting picture is said to

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have matched her description, but to have been more detailed,

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Betty described seeing her mother nude on a table that floated.

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She also drew a picture of the same number of

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aliens described by her mother and included the human, and

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it is noted that she hadn't heard her mother mention

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the human. Patty recalled waking up and finding Keith on

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the floor on a blanket, and finding Dotty and her

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sister Mary in the bed where they slept together, but

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with their positions reversed. Kevin Randall presents his thoughts on

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the case in a blog headlined Alien abduction and Leading

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the Witness, posted March twenty eighth, two thousand five, on

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his blogspot dot com site. A different perspective, He identifies

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Patty Price as pat Roach and says it is quite

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clear to me that Roach was led into her more

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detailed descriptions by doctor James Harder, who was looking for

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some validation of the Hill abduction. It is also clear

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that Roach took cues from the magazine article I had

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written about another abduction. Her descriptions of the interior of

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the craft, for example, mirrored those in that article. He

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gives details of Harder's influence between sessions Harder discussed with

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Roach other abduction cases. Just before the session in which

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Roach revealed that she had been medically examined on the craft,

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Harder told her about Betty Hill's examination on border Craft.

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Harder's leading questions took her into other arenas. His conclusion

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regarding the accounts given by Roach and her children is

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this the genesis was the adult's episode of sleep paralysis,

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and then two years of discussing this with her children

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until some of them believed they had been abducted. Charles

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Lear is the author of Crashed Saucers and Malevolent Aliens,

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