Speaker 1: What is up? Pelistico's I am Dan Valley coming at
you with the one the only to start five Dan
Fabulous co Hos of the Hardwood Knocks and mea podcast.
Mister Grant Hughes. It is Monday, so you know what
that means. Mystery NBA player Monday? Guess the player fall
veto the gap with us? We waste no time here?
Are you ready to begin?
Speaker 2: I am ready. I will be reading you clues. Please
prepare yourself. Are you prepared?
Speaker 1: Let's do it?
Speaker 2: This is from Mike. Clue number one. I am one
of four active Bosnian born players in the NBA.
Speaker 1: There's four active Bosnian players in the NBA.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Mike's amitted this eight months ago.
Speaker 1: Use of nurdiage.
Speaker 2: Great, guess that is in fact Bosnian? Not correct? Uh
so you can narrow it down now. Clue number two
after Internet after an international career, if I could speak,
that saw me play senior basketball in Croatia. I was
drafted with the first pick in the second round by
the Heat in twenty eleven, but was part of a
pick swap on draft night that landed the Heat Norris Cole.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I should okay?
Speaker 2: So do if you think you know it based on
that clue, I'm sincerely impressed.
Speaker 1: Because I remember. So the transaction is the Heat owned
that pick, but they had to swap it out for
someone else or did they trade that pick to get
Norris Coles.
Speaker 2: So the way it's phrased is this player, I'll say
I was drafted. I was drafted with the first pick
in the second round by the Heat, but was part
of a pick swap on draft night. So maybe that's
just a trade of draft you know what I mean,
not like a pickswap like we think about him now
that landed the Heat Norris Cole.
Speaker 1: Because Norris Cole wasn't because Lebron Oh man, I think
I know, I think I know it, but I can't
play it. I'm gonna be like I'm going to know
it after it's the name. It's going to be a
Brian Windhorse situation where I tell.
Speaker 2: You and you might get it on the next one
if you're close.
Speaker 1: Now, So it was the timeline is so they were
drafted in twenty eleven at number thirty one. That is
the that we know and was just based off the phrasing,
did Miami did my Heat actually draft them. It doesn't
they traded them.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm reading it as they drafted this player
and then on draft night traded this player or I
guess the draft rights to this player for another in
a package that got Norris Cole to the Heat. I
don't know if Norris Cole was also in that draft.
Speaker 1: I can't you know who I was getting Norris Cole
mixed up with who os Napier. The timeline was throwing
me off. Or I was like they drafted him to
try and keep Lebron and then still lost Lebron for
guarantee you I don't know this. You may be right.
Speaker 2: Well, you'll get closer here Clue number three. I was
a draft and stash player, finally making my pro debut
in twenty fourteen with the Nets, the team that traded
Norris Cole for.
Speaker 1: Me twenty fourteen? Is that too late for? That's not Bosnian?
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 1: I'm about to name Bogdanovic's body, and Bogdanovich is in Bosnian?
Speaker 2: Is he? Well? Dan? Uh you have correctly? Oh wait, yeah,
you got it? Uh so Mike has a note. It
is Boyan Bogdanovic note though he was born in Bosnia.
Bogdanovitch chose to represent Croatia internationally in Foba. Also, he
is not related to Bogdan Bogdanovitch, who plays for Serbia.
Were you we did so the heat draft pick thing?
Were you close on that one? Or that was all Napier.
Speaker 1: No, I was in my head. I was like, wait
the train to get Napier out of that. It was.
I got those two players and then Mario Chalmers into
my head. It was. It was a very confusing seventy
five seconds between these hears.
Speaker 2: Well, the important part is you got this in three.
This was a This was an eleven clue guess a
player all do you want me to read the a
few extra clues or all of them are all right?
So clue number four was As a twenty five year
old rookie, I started twenty eight games, playing in seventy eight,
averaging nine points, shooting thirty five percent from three on
a next team that made the playoffs Clue five. The
following year, I averaged eleven points and slightly more playing time,
shooting thirty eight percent from three. My third season, I
was traded at the deadline along with Chris McCalla to
the Wizards for Andrew Nicholson Immortal Andrew Nicholson Marcus is interesting?
Is Andrey Nicholson still being paid by an NBA team?
Marcus Thornton in a first round pick. In my time
with the Wizards, I set the franchise record for free
throws made in a game, going sixteen for sixteen. That's
a great clue because that would really throw you off.
You would not think of Bogdanovitch as a sixteen free
throw guy.
Speaker 1: Speak for yourself, really.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the days of Bugnanovich being like the
benchmark for oh, he's worth a first at the trade deadline?
Or does that just me that always thought of it?
Like there, fan, I.
Speaker 1: Had that stance as recently as last year.
Speaker 2: You really clung to that CLU seven that off season,
I signed with the Pacers Clue eight. In my second
season with the Pacers, I averaged eighteen a game on
a playoff team that was ultimately swept. Clue nine turned
this into a four year deal with the Jazz, where
I was a consistent scoring option who could be a
reliable wing. Those really were the best Boganovich days was
in Utah. I completely forgot about that. Yeah, those teams
were gros.
Speaker 1: Jazz teams were of just the better, like continuous cores
that just couldn't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In twenty two, I was traded to the Pistons,
where I was essentially held hostage for eighteen months till
they traded me for pennies on the dollar and then
final clue, I was back with the Nets after another trade.
I've since been bought out. And then Mike wrote this
this one like eight months ago, is in parentheses there.
Speaker 1: Still he's actually not in the NBA anymore than the
Nets wave Ham or is he still on the Net?
Speaker 2: I think that's I think, well he said I've since
been bought out, and then I think did he announce
his retirement? Probably? I don't know, see that definitely, my
miss I may have just made that up.
Speaker 1: So great, greatogast by who of us?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: Are you ready for your Yes? Now, I just want
to remind you because there were some complaints from you
last time. It's time to get in the mind of
a psycho.
Speaker 2: Path see, like now I'm really on high alert. I
was already I So here's here's my new approach to this.
Is I am assuming I'm gonna be misled, So I
don't know how that's gonna affect my accuracy, but I
just want everyone to know that I'm anticipating subterfuge.
Speaker 1: So you're right, you're already entering this under protest.
Speaker 2: I think I'm becoming a psychopath that like, as a
result of having to get in the mind of one
so often.
Speaker 1: Okay, clue one. I was a first round pick. I
was a first round draft pick and famously played hoops
as a teenager in Italy.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so he wants me to say Kobe Bryant,
and I will, but that won't be right.
Speaker 1: You got it wrong. Now, fun fun fact, Bill who
submitted this told me that I bet you he's too
He didn't say this. He was wondering if you would
guess Kobe bryan He thought you might be too much
of a coward because it would have been the obvious pick.
Speaker 2: That's already. Do you see what's happening? Do you see?
Like so already it's like we're we're playing rock paper
scissors and I'm like trying to guess. Well, he wouldn't
throw scissors twice, so I can't like this is what's happening.
I'm like, I've already so successful guests. A player submission,
I'm I am on till after one clue?
Speaker 1: Do you care to venture another guest before we get
to club?
Speaker 2: Another teenager? That is the word famously played basketball in Italy.
That can't be Oh, it is in fact famously.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna have.
Speaker 2: So this person is famous for playing basketball as a
teenager in Italy.
Speaker 1: Any teenager who's playing professionally in Italy be considered to
be some form of celebrity already already.
Speaker 2: This is what's uh, Mike D'Antoni. Let's say.
Speaker 1: You just wanted to say, D'Antoni, I.
Speaker 2: Did sorry the did we get a timeline on the
first first round pick? But no year?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's go.
Speaker 1: Clue number two. I started eighty five percent of my
games in New Orleans, averaging eleven points, two boards, and
two assists per game during my time there.
Speaker 2: Eleven two and two play.
Speaker 1: I would say that's even a famous stat.
Speaker 2: Line, would you? That is a weird stat line in
New Orleans? Man, there's this is so layered. So this
player played eighty five percent of his games while with
the Hornets, or eighty five percent of his career games
with the hornets.
Speaker 1: What's the clue was? And I apologize because if someone,
as someone pointed out previously, I misled you by saying
twenty twenty three instead of two thousand and three. So
I recognize I might have said this wrong, but it
says I started eighty five percent of my games in
New Orleans. Okay, started from not playing eighty five percent
of his career games there?
Speaker 2: All right, So of the games this player, this, this
Italian high school legend played in New or so you recognize.
Speaker 1: That there are such things as international high schools.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I can see no such thing.
What if it's Darko Milicic's again, somehow I forgot that
he plays.
Speaker 1: Would have been diabolical. But it's so it's not Darko Milite.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, h eleven. So this is the thing. Eighty
five percent of how many games did this player play?
Like six of seven games? No, he wouldn't do that. Man,
the Italy thing. Again, Bill's really good at getting me
to anchor to something that probably doesn't matter. Oh uh m,
andres NOCCIONI.
Speaker 1: No nice name, though, that is not it?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if he played for New Orleans.
So we can. We can move on.
Speaker 1: Clue number three. Never an All star. I played twenty
three minutes per game in my thirteen year NBA career.
That's and nine teams.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, we are all over the place. Nine teams,
including New Orleans thirteen years. Twenty three minutes is like
not there must have been some thirty minute ters in there.
Uh see, this is the thing. I'm trying to think
of Italian players, and there's just like no chance this
guy's Italian somehow? Was this one you said you wouldn't
have gotten.
Speaker 1: I did not get it because it does not submit
the names, so I always have to figure it out
for myself. And this one I did need to google.
Speaker 2: All right. Oh great, Uh that's a long career. Hmm,
eleven two and two. I know they're not Italian. Obviously
they didn't. I was gonna say neither of the Hernan
Gomez has played long enough, but I think Willie did
actually play. I don't know anyway. Let's let's go to
the next clue.
Speaker 1: This is clue number four, and you have only one
more after though, Oh no, clue four. I won an
NBA title for a sixty two win team, averaging eleven
point four points per game off the bench and finished
eleventh in six Man of the Year voting. I was
one of three players on my team who received six
Man of the Year votes.
Speaker 2: A sixty two win team.
Speaker 1: Can I add some pressure to you? This is the clue?
I informed a bill that I thought this was the
clue you were going to get it on.
Speaker 2: Oh great. Three three different guys got six Man of
the Year consideration, one of them being this guy. This
is a sixty two win title team. Oh just not
having any kind of year is tough. Although I guess
like New Orleans has only been around for so long.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: I can't think of like, obviously the sixth title teams
not in New Orleans. Who's won sixty two. I'm starting
to think like Spursy getting Spursy vibes, but they didn't
win sixty two. Man, I'm I'm stumped. This is an
effective guess a player set of clues.
Speaker 1: Do you want the last one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I need it.
Speaker 1: This is the clue that he guaranteed you would get it.
Speaker 2: Oh great, even more pressure.
Speaker 1: Nicknamed the Professional, I averaged five point nine three point
attempts per thirty six minutes for my career at a
thirty eight percent clip, I could absolutely shoot it, which
was evident in my first two seasons with the don
Nelson Warriors.
Speaker 2: Oh the prof.
Speaker 1: Sixty two wins.
Speaker 2: God damn.
Speaker 1: I did not know if this player had the new
named the Professor.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't either. I feel like we've already done
Anthony Morrow, but I'm gonna guess him.
Speaker 1: No, it's not Anthony Morris.
Speaker 2: All right, So now we gotta find us some don Nelson. Well,
here's the thing. There's multiple uh don Nelson Warriors stints. Oh,
this is really gonna hurt when I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I do have seven clue if you need it.
Speaker 2: Oh I do?
Speaker 1: No, I have it.
Speaker 2: Oh a really good three point shooter. The Italy thing
I'm just so hung up on. It was on a
title team. They won sixty two games, So the don
the those don Nelson Warriors were like, I don't know,
like six to ten. Who could really shoot it on
those Nelly Warriors teams. This is bad. Anytime you include
a Warrior's clue and I don't get it, it's really
like a it's a double amy. I'm just gonna be
dead air with me. Sitting here thinking, So I guess,
I guess I can see defeat. Well, need the bonus clue.
Speaker 1: Clue number seven, three words big Balls dance.
Speaker 2: Well, if there's Sam Cassell is the originator of the
Big Balls Dance, it's not him?
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Why can't I think of this? Why can't I think
of this? Who did this?
Speaker 1: You're not Maybe you're not online enough to know this,
but you cannot Big Balls Dance for the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 2: It's still not there, it's still not coming. I don't
know beard, Yeah, why can't I? Oh, this is so bad?
Speaker 1: Do you want the review? Try to give me the initials?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: How about this? You were on the right track with
the Spurs.
Speaker 2: Oh uh, but he was also on the warrior. I
don't I got a I got a block up or something.
I don't. I don't have it.
Speaker 1: M B is the initials?
Speaker 2: You just gotta. You just have to tell me who it.
Speaker 1: Is, Marco BELLNELLI?
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, God damn it. So the Italian high school
thing was not a misleading thing at all? Oh in
New Orleans? Sure? Yeah, Now I remember the Big Balls Dance.
Speaker 1: I didn't get I I did not get this. To
be clear, when I was reading them myself.
Speaker 2: I should have got that. I think this. This is
a result of I I think I have I've been
I think i'm I think of questioning myself too much.
I don't have. I've lost all my confidence after the
Darko fiasco.
Speaker 1: You took long enough on that one that I might
not even be able to use it for YouTube.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with like on a five clue question. Oh thanks, Bill.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm surprised you didn't get it on the The
Big Balls Dance one, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean I remember that now, I I yeah, I got
no excuses.
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is I mean this as a compliment. I
was worried that you already said him, and for some
reason I just didn't respond or something, because it.
Speaker 2: Was so obvious I should have gotten it. You assume
guy said it.
Speaker 1: There's a nickname for him. I guess I always associate
those types of nicknames with just because doctor J exists
like someone that has handles or something.
Speaker 2: And well, now that you say that, he kind of
looks like Jon Renaud, who's the actor in that movie
The Professional Who. He's like a hitman. He has like
the really hooded eyes. That's how and Bellen they look alike.
I bet you that's why he has that nickname. I'm
sure anyway, all right, so it's your turn. Now you
will have to I transfer the mind of the psychopath
to you. This is also from be Rich Clue number one.
I was drafted top ten in nineteen ninety five and
for sure went to college in the US. I led
my team to the final four alongside another top ten
but lost to Nolan Richardson's Razorbacks.
Speaker 1: The first part was drafted in nineteen ninety five, a.
Speaker 2: Top ten pick in ninety five United States of America
college went to the final four while playing with another
top ten pick on his team.
Speaker 1: Chris Webber. Nope, Rose, I just start maybe Michigan Lums.
Speaker 2: You're ninety five.
Speaker 1: So there were two top ten picks in ninety five
from the same college basketball team. Look, this might surprise you, Grant.
I do not have an epic wealth of knowledge when
it comes to college basketball and where NBA players played
their college basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think the I think Bill's
aware of that, and I think that's why you got
the clue phrase that way.
Speaker 1: We're also we're operating under the guys that I'm not
going to get this. You gave me less than a
fifty to fifty shot.
Speaker 2: Well, all right, let's you do you wanna you did?
You did attempt to one shot kill? You want clue
number two?
Speaker 1: Yes? Please?
Speaker 2: All right? In an eighteen year career, I was a
two time All Star. I also finished top five and
Rookie of the Year voting. Well this here we go,
Bill says. I also finished top five and Rookie of
the Year voting four different times across an eleven year span.
So he was We'll just get that clue because I
don't think you can. I wonder what might he have
meant Rookie of the Year voting. Could have been six
Man of the Year voting. Maybe, but you should disregard
that clue in yeah, so next clue Ben Simmons eighteen
year career, that's time Rookie of the Year. Yeah, Chet Holmgren,
so two time All Star, eighteen year career is what
I would fixate on if I were you, as opposed
to the multiple Rookie of the Year high finishes.
Speaker 1: Or just assume that he meant six Man of the.
Speaker 2: I think I think I would assume six man on
this player. I think I would.
Speaker 1: Okay, I still I don't have anything. But eighteen years.
There's only been a handful of players that played eighteen years.
Hold on, I need to I needed ninety five. Yeah,
attended it. They attended United States high school, but they
went to college. They attended the US college.
Speaker 2: All you need to know is yet, no high no
mention of high school. A college in the US that
made the Final four in ninety five.
Speaker 1: Ninety five. It's Richard Jefferson. Good guess no eighteen years
Vince Carter, good guess no. Michael Sinley. Not even where
these players went to college. Even if they went to college,
they knowe where Vince Carter went, right, it's North Carolina.
Speaker 2: You want the next clue?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In my best statistical year, which was two thousand and
two thousand and one, I scored twenty nine point eight
points per game. I led the NBA in points scored,
field goal attempts, field goal attempts missed, free throws made,
and turnovers. In other news, my team won thirty two
games and missed the playoffs. In the East.
Speaker 1: Oh, in the East, this is two thousand, had the
league in scoring.
Speaker 2: And turnovers and shots and misses.
Speaker 1: Who's a real, chucker, I'm getting more you have. They
only made eighteen year career. They were twenty nine points
per game one season, but they ended up being a
two time All Star. The fuck is this player? And
it wasn't like, oh, multi time Rookie of the Year.
I gotta remember that.
Speaker 2: You should be able to narrow it down. How many
guys have won multiple Rookies of the Year.
Speaker 1: This is gonna bother me that I'm not gonna get
two thousand.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I think the next you know what, I'm
upping your your success percentage chance to sixty two thirds.
You're a sixty seven percent chance of success. Now.
Speaker 1: It's just though, like two thousand to average twenty nine
points per game back then is a pretty big outlier.
So why don't I know this?
Speaker 2: Probably because he played on a team that lost fifty games,
like nobody paid attention to.
Speaker 1: There's a bad teams. Who was a bad team? Just
give me the next one, all right?
Speaker 2: Playing for eight teams in my career, I'd say I'm
most associated with Philly Detroit and the MAVs. And I
would agree.
Speaker 1: With that, Philly Detroit and the MAVs. Philly Detroit two
thousands and the MAVs. Uh did Eric Snow play for
the MAVs or the Pistons?
Speaker 2: The Eric Snow average thirty game.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, So I'm trying to who is
the shitty team during the two thousands? The six weren't they?
They're pretty good in two thousands, so we couldn't have
been on that team. So if I would think, I'm
gonna pretend like I know it was, that means he
might have been on Detroit. But I don't know that
for sure. Most associated with Detroit. Ninety five is way
too early for in the eighteen years. It's not a
Michael Redd. No, that's a Bucks player. Why am I
just name Bucks players here? Oh? Man, I hate myself.
Speaker 2: I guess just I think you're you have to be
right about I don't think he's on Philly in two
thousand and two thousand and one, because this isn't that
the six Ers finals year?
Speaker 1: Wait? Oh no, wait? Did he play for the MAVs?
Did he play for Rip Hamilton?
Speaker 2: No? No, he played for the.
Speaker 1: I know he played for the Pistons. I don't think
he ever played for the MAVs. With the Sixers, that
was a bad guess. Nine teams twenty nine points a game.
That's so many points. All right, give me the next clue.
Speaker 2: All right, you've got two more in this one. I
don't know if it's gonna help you. Uh. Famously, I
was part of a four team trade, including Great Buckner,
that sent me from the Dallas from Dallas to Memphis.
I was waived by Memphis the following day. That's just
a that's just an opportunity to mention Greg Buckner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out Greg Butner Buckner again. I feel like
I should know this one. I hope when I don't
get it that I really didn't know. You say the name,
but I'm like, there's no way it's that player. I
never even should have known him.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I still think I am confident.
Speaker 1: I think he gave me a forty chance. That's not confident.
Speaker 2: I bumped you to sixty seven. But now we're slipping
a little bit because we'll have one clue left.
Speaker 1: Oh, I only have one clue left. I seed it like,
who played for any of those teams that you mentioned
that they're twenty nine points on a really shitty team,
like wildly inefficient obviously, oh so annoying that's too early,
and that's way too early for is it Lou Williams?
Too early for him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he retired like in twenty fourteen, and maybe even
beyond that last clue.
Speaker 2: Please all right, I am currently an assistant coach holding
my head in my hands watching Jonathan kaminga blow defensive coverages.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is like my lack of knowledge when it
comes to assistant coaching staff is really going to bite
me in the ass here.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure this is the first year he's been
on this coaching staff too.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to help me. That might
have been the least helpful clue that we've actually had,
aside from multi time Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2: It came at it from a different route. He's an assistant,
he's a coach. Now, let's see, I could come up
with some bonus clues, I think, So would you care
for bonus clues?
Speaker 1: Give me one bonus clue?
Speaker 2: So you were correct that North Carolina is the college.
The other top ten pick this guy played with was
Rashid Wallace. I'm pretty sure. Now.
Speaker 1: My first response is, I didn't know Rashee Wallace went
to Carolina.
Speaker 2: So that doesn't help you quite so much.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't even at all. But he was a
teammate of Rashid Wallace's. I feel like I should know this.
Speaker 2: Nope, still I think the twenty nine point eight points
per game came on Detroit.
Speaker 1: Did Ben Gordon go to North Carolina? No? Did you've
been mentioned with the Bulls?
Speaker 2: He's Connecticut. I think that's too early for Gordon too.
What else could I tell you?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: This guy positionally well, well, I mean the stats kind
of say it, but he was he was a shooting guard.
Speaker 1: Sixth man shooting guard, no kidding.
Speaker 2: Well, I sure wasn't a six man initially, I think. Yeah,
it had a weird like second chapter where he was
a bench guy that would come in and chuck.
Speaker 1: Jam.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what else I could tell you
that Just I'm trying to think, like.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, I have to remember the Carolina thing. Now,
that's gonna make this even harder for me. Yeah, I'm
just give me it.
Speaker 2: It's he had some like he definitely fell into the
o next Jordan uh like Trope because he's a shooting
guard from North Carolina that scored a lot like similar
size to Jordan Ray Felton. All right, I think you're
gonna be mad, but maybe not. Uh it is Jerry Stackhouse.
Speaker 1: I'm a honestly, I probably the inefficiency and the scoring.
I should have known that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'll tell you where so Bill really capitalized because
the if you know college, I think you could get
this pretty early. But the things that threw me I
could not have. I would never have guessed he played
for eighteen years like that. Just that seems nuts. And
I also don't remember, uh the well, the Greg Buckner
trade for one, but like the what was it, uh,
the presumably six Man of the year surge in like
the middle portion of his career. I had no recollection
of that.
Speaker 1: I probably would have thought that he had more than
two All Star appearances. I never would have associated him
with any six Man of the Year type voting either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's I would just have thought of him
as a guy that averaged an empty twenty something for
ten years and then that was it. But but yeah,
that stuff he's gotten us both today.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see if Mike gets you. Mike submits the
following guests a player grant. Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Clue one? I was a first round pick out of
Tiny Arkansas A Little Rock in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: Arkansas Little Rock ninety six. I don't know. I don't know,
all right. I mean I don't even have a one shot. Okay,
ninety six. Uh, well, is that that's the that's the cob,
that's the everybody draft ninety six.
Speaker 1: You will definitely get this if that's any consolations.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know why. I feel like this
is very, very wrong. But Joe Johnson, that is not
Joe Johnson.
Speaker 1: Clue too. I broke into the starting lineup in my
sophomore year, averaging five points per game but shooting thirty
eight percent from three.
Speaker 2: Okay, so good shooter. He started and averaged five points
a game.
Speaker 1: I broke into the starting line of my sophomore year,
averaging five points a game but shooting thirty eight percent
from three.
Speaker 2: Keith Bogan's no great wow, Okay, so he made like
one three a game. That's tough, Uh, Arkansas Little Rock.
I feel like that there was a real opportunity there.
I just can't think of anybody.
Speaker 1: I never would have gotten it on that clube.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just so obscure, Like I mean, it's too obscure. Frankly,
all right, yeah, I go, what's I'll take the next
clue please.
Speaker 1: Clue three. By the time I was entering my athletic prime,
I was part of an elite team in the league
and won at least one ring.
Speaker 2: So this is a ninety six pick that could shoot
it entering his prime and his winning titles. So let's
put that at the Oh uh, Derek Fisher.
Speaker 1: You got it. Clue three of seven. Here are the
other ones. In two thousand and four, I signed a
six year, thirty seven million dollar contract with the Warriors.
After two years, I was traded for Keith McLeod and
a few guys no one remembers. I played a year
in Utah. Clue five. I played a year in Utah
before going back to the team that drafted me. I
then go to OKC Dallas and then back to OKC.
Clue six. I coached the Knicks, and then I coached
in the WNBA. Clue seven, Mat Oranges tried to fight me.
Speaker 2: That's a perfect final clue because if you if you
know one thing about Derek Fisher, that's probably that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ark Okay, Arkansas, Little Rock really did trigger it.
I think that that that that was a that was
a good one.
Speaker 1: Excellent performance by you, oh just.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's too too soon to say redemption,
but I feel better about that. I have one from Matti,
l Are you prepared? I'm nervous, all right? Clue number one.
I was drafted in the second round in two thousand
and nine.
Speaker 1: Go second rofter two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: If you can have one person, I couldn't the second
round or in oh nine.
Speaker 1: That's two thousand and nine is the Steph Curry draft though? Right?
That sounds right, so then I know it's not. I
Do'm not even going to pretend to.
Speaker 2: Okay, I may have to come a couple of these,
so I'll just read a chunk and then you can
stop me. I guess I was. I was the fourth
player drafted by this team. In my rookie season, I
played in ten games, averaging two point six points and
three point eight minutes. So to summarize, this is an
O nine second rounder who, like apparently this team had
a lot of picks that year and average barely played
his first year like four minutes a game, So that
would describe most second rounders probably.
Speaker 1: And from two thousand and nine. Ye I keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I might I might skip a clue
or two here. That's kind of similar to that. Okay,
here you go during the I'm jumping to clue six
during the lockout. I played overseas in both Australia and China.
Speaker 1: Oh, Michael Beasley is a number two overall pick. Don't
say that. Just leave it grand It's cool.
Speaker 2: Fine, I think you're too No, you're about right time wise.
Cluse seven. I signed with another Western Conference team in
twenty twelve and helped them reach two NBA finals.
Speaker 1: So couldn't that technically be a Spurs team second round
pick in two thousand and nine? Bors do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I like that.
Speaker 1: Guess uh second round pick in two thousand and nine. Two. No,
that's way too late. I'm gonna say it. Wow, that
would have been well.
Speaker 2: The the reaching two NBA finals comes after this player
joins them in twenty twelve, So we're in twenty twelve
now when he starts leading and leading being on teams
that make the finals.
Speaker 1: Patty Mills correct.
Speaker 2: Now, it's gonna be like I would highlight Australia and
other things here. Good one. Okay, so a few more
clues here, let's see for this team referring to the Spurs.
You were correct and assuming that I'm top ten in
three point field goals and three point field goal attempts
and free throw percentage. The next clue. In twenty twenty,
I made my one thousand three pointer, becoming the first
player from my country to do so. Another Australia angle.
Next clue. In twenty twenty one, I became the player
from my country with the most NBA games played. Twenty
one was a good season for me. I signed with
an East team and became the first player in NBA
history to shoot ten for ten from the three point
line in the first two games of the season. Also
hit nine a career high nine threes that year. Let's
see in twenty one, broke the record or three pointers
made on Christmas Day. In July of twenty three, I
was traded to Houston, and then you might if you
were struggling, I bet you would have got it here.
In July twenty three, I was traded to Houston and
then two days later traded to OKC. Four days after that,
I was traded to Atlanta. For ty Ti Washington and
remember this like Uzman Garuba, Rudy Gay and all that
other stuff and then just some more trade stuff. Good
job by, you got that pretty early because I skipped
a couple more clues of like averaged X, Y and
Z scored this many points against this team, which I
didn't think would help you that much.
Speaker 1: Good name from Maddie. This is why I feel bad
whenever people. This is why we recommend like between seven
and ten clues, because if we get it on like
clue three or something, and you did all that work
for very little peyf we have our final one. I
have another one for you. Okay, this is also from Mike.
You have ten clues, grant, Okay, clue number one. I'm
a second generation NBA player. My dad played in the
nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: HM seventies. So this guy's old.
Speaker 1: His dad is certainly old.
Speaker 2: Well it's like, you know, it makes me feel old
when it's like, oh, Winston Garland played in like nineteen
ninety three or something. It's like, oh my god, So
this guy this has got to be the father of
like a serious veteran like even oh, this is from Mike.
We have to do the Canada slant here? Uh, well, gosh,
I can't remember Andrew. He's too he's still not old enough.
I can't remember Andrew Wiggins late father's name.
Speaker 1: It's not Andrew Wiggins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget this two I should remember anyway. Okay,
what's so that was my one shot kill attempt. I'll
take another clue.
Speaker 1: Clue number two. I played the maximum number of games
I could in my first three seasons. I averaged roughly
fourteen points a game with the team that drafted me.
Speaker 2: Oh so did not miss a game first three seasons.
Fourteen a game second generation player? Huh? I still I'm
so bad at math. I'm like hung up on how
old this guy is. Seems like he should be old. Uh.
Let's see, I'd like to at least venture a guess here.
I'll just gotta think of second generation guys. Uh, Brent Berry.
Speaker 1: Incorrect Clue number three. In two thousand and one, I
was traded for another player who played my position, a
move that benefited both of us. So now, at least
you have a timeline of when they're in the NBA.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh one, super durable at least at the start
fourteen a game for the team that drafted him. So
you're trading a durable mid teens scorer for someone at
the same position in one Oh, man, I don't I
don't know. I don't have a guess.
Speaker 1: Clue four. Right away, on my new team, I established
in incredible one two punch on one of the deepest
squads of the era. It's a shame we never had
the chance to play for a title in my six
and a half years with this team.
Speaker 2: So early two thousands deep team that did not make
the finals. Father was in the NBA. I'm getting some
like getting some real Marco Belenelli vibes where I just
have no idea.
Speaker 1: It is not Marco Bellinelli and.
Speaker 2: That I feel like I'm confident in just the feeling
is similar where I just have I've not got no
even good guesses here. Who would have been a deep
team in the early two thousands with a second generation player? Well,
can you read that clue one more time? I feel
like he described the player a little bit.
Speaker 1: Sure once the sorry. Right away, on my new team,
I established an incredible one two punch on one of
the deepest teams of the era. It's a shame we
never had the chance to play for a title in
six and a half years with them.
Speaker 2: One two punch, Mike Bibby, correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it that. I don't think I would have
gotten this one, So Klue five was Once the team
entered a rebuild, I was traded to Atlanta for Sheldon Williams,
Tyron Lou, Anthony Johnson, the late lorenzen Wright, and a
second round pick CLU six. The very next season, the
Hawks drafted Jeff Tigue and traded for Jamal Crawford, signaling
the end of my time as a primary scoring option.
Clue seven. I'd still be the starter for my remaining
two seasons with the team until I was traded to
Washington with Jordan Crawford, Moe Evans, and a first for
Kirk Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong. Clue eight. I was bought
out after two games with the Wizards, for going my
six point two million dollars the following season so that
I could play for a contender. Clue nine, I signed
with the Heat was eventually passed over for Norris Cole
and Mario Chalmers. I went on to finish my career
with the Knicks, but the team elected to Raymond Felton
and Jason kidd over me I quietly retired, So he's
work by you on this one.
Speaker 2: So he was drafted by Vancouver, is that right? Do
we know that? I can't remember that what that trade was.
Speaker 1: The I thought you were onto something when it was
clearly talking about the Kings. I thought that you might
end up getting there. But he was drafted by the
Vancouver Grizzlies number two overall right in ninety eight.
Speaker 2: So who the heck did they trade for at the
same position.
Speaker 1: I don't know what season that was.
Speaker 2: This isn't really a dialogue where Mike can just come
in and be like it was this guy dummy.
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't traded for them, right? Or was he
traded for him?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The one with the clues in front of me.
Speaker 2: He should the last clue there should have been. I
am inexplicably super jacked. Now have you seen Mike Bibbie recently.
Speaker 1: He's like he's definitely taken some creatine and maybe had.
Speaker 2: Some assistance, it would appear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to see so the trade because he
was part of that trade that you're referencing, So let's
see who he was traded for. Here, I'm trying. I'm
trying to think of that. Who was it that he
was trading?
Speaker 2: Because someone from Sacramento at the point guard spot is going,
oh is that? Uh that's why chocolate? Right? Is that
is that Jason Williams goes to the Grizzlies.
Speaker 1: Yep, they traded uh, Vancouver traded him at brim price
to the Kings for Nick Anderson and Jason Williams.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, glad, that was gonna bother me.
Speaker 1: I want to let you know I wouldn't have gotten
that one. So that is excellent work by you.
Speaker 2: Well, so that was a good work by all involved,
because we did get stumped once a piece, and then
we did okay on the rest, good clues. Thank you everybody. Hmm,
what're you're trying to remember the thing you told me
to say? Right now? I'm gonna do my best. So
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player episode, how'd I do?
Speaker 1: You can listen to it rather than watch it. But
other than that you did, you did great. I will
say we'll put it out here because if anyone's listening
and they have video editing skills and would like to
be a part of the Hardwind Knox crew, we have
bandied about getting a video editor in here so that
I can focus my time on doing stuff that I'm
perhaps also just better at. It would also be more
service of creating content for the pod rather than editing it.
But I want to try and continue putting the guests
a player clips up on YouTube for as long as possible.
So if you have video editing skills, you also know
the NBA reach out Hardwaeknocks at gmail dot com getting
our discord. You could DM me at the many places
I might put out feelers through other mediums, but I
figured i'd try this first. But I don't know how
many people listen to our outro.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, well, it's hard to say.
And really what we want is a video editor so
you can study mid nineties college basketball.
Speaker 1: Rosters like ever before every Friday when we record. I
really I'm going to sit down and just study the
college basketball for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it's a good use of your time,
I think. Grate Review subscribe, shout out Franklin Lackin apologies,
Jared Allen, Thanks everybody,