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Speaker 1: What is up? Pelistico's I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with the one the only to start five Dan

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Fabulous co Hos of the Hardwood Knocks and mea podcast.

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Mister Grant Hughes. It is Monday, so you know what

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that means. Mystery NBA player Monday? Guess the player fall

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veto the gap with us? We waste no time here?

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Are you ready to begin?

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Speaker 2: I am ready. I will be reading you clues. Please

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prepare yourself. Are you prepared?

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Speaker 1: Let's do it?

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Speaker 2: This is from Mike. Clue number one. I am one

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of four active Bosnian born players in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: There's four active Bosnian players in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure Mike's amitted this eight months ago.

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Speaker 1: Use of nurdiage.

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Speaker 2: Great, guess that is in fact Bosnian? Not correct? Uh

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so you can narrow it down now. Clue number two

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after Internet after an international career, if I could speak,

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that saw me play senior basketball in Croatia. I was

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drafted with the first pick in the second round by

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the Heat in twenty eleven, but was part of a

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pick swap on draft night that landed the Heat Norris Cole.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I should okay?

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Speaker 2: So do if you think you know it based on

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that clue, I'm sincerely impressed.

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Speaker 1: Because I remember. So the transaction is the Heat owned

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that pick, but they had to swap it out for

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someone else or did they trade that pick to get

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Norris Coles.

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Speaker 2: So the way it's phrased is this player, I'll say

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I was drafted. I was drafted with the first pick

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in the second round by the Heat, but was part

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of a pick swap on draft night. So maybe that's

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just a trade of draft you know what I mean,

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not like a pickswap like we think about him now

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that landed the Heat Norris Cole.

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Speaker 1: Because Norris Cole wasn't because Lebron Oh man, I think

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I know, I think I know it, but I can't

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play it. I'm gonna be like I'm going to know

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it after it's the name. It's going to be a

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Brian Windhorse situation where I tell.

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Speaker 2: You and you might get it on the next one

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if you're close.

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Speaker 1: Now, So it was the timeline is so they were

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drafted in twenty eleven at number thirty one. That is

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the that we know and was just based off the phrasing,

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did Miami did my Heat actually draft them. It doesn't

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they traded them.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm reading it as they drafted this player

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and then on draft night traded this player or I

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guess the draft rights to this player for another in

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a package that got Norris Cole to the Heat. I

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don't know if Norris Cole was also in that draft.

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Speaker 1: I can't you know who I was getting Norris Cole

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mixed up with who os Napier. The timeline was throwing

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me off. Or I was like they drafted him to

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try and keep Lebron and then still lost Lebron for

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guarantee you I don't know this. You may be right.

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Speaker 2: Well, you'll get closer here Clue number three. I was

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a draft and stash player, finally making my pro debut

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in twenty fourteen with the Nets, the team that traded

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Norris Cole for.

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Speaker 1: Me twenty fourteen? Is that too late for? That's not Bosnian?

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to name Bogdanovic's body, and Bogdanovich is in Bosnian?

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Speaker 2: Is he? Well? Dan? Uh you have correctly? Oh wait, yeah,

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you got it? Uh so Mike has a note. It

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is Boyan Bogdanovic note though he was born in Bosnia.

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Bogdanovitch chose to represent Croatia internationally in Foba. Also, he

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is not related to Bogdan Bogdanovitch, who plays for Serbia.

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Were you we did so the heat draft pick thing?

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Were you close on that one? Or that was all Napier.

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Speaker 1: No, I was in my head. I was like, wait

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the train to get Napier out of that. It was.

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I got those two players and then Mario Chalmers into

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my head. It was. It was a very confusing seventy

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five seconds between these hears.

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Speaker 2: Well, the important part is you got this in three.

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This was a This was an eleven clue guess a

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player all do you want me to read the a

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few extra clues or all of them are all right?

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So clue number four was As a twenty five year

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old rookie, I started twenty eight games, playing in seventy eight,

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averaging nine points, shooting thirty five percent from three on

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a next team that made the playoffs Clue five. The

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following year, I averaged eleven points and slightly more playing time,

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shooting thirty eight percent from three. My third season, I

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was traded at the deadline along with Chris McCalla to

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the Wizards for Andrew Nicholson Immortal Andrew Nicholson Marcus is interesting?

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Is Andrey Nicholson still being paid by an NBA team?

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Marcus Thornton in a first round pick. In my time

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with the Wizards, I set the franchise record for free

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throws made in a game, going sixteen for sixteen. That's

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a great clue because that would really throw you off.

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You would not think of Bogdanovitch as a sixteen free

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throw guy.

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Speaker 1: Speak for yourself, really.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the days of Bugnanovich being like the

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benchmark for oh, he's worth a first at the trade deadline?

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Or does that just me that always thought of it?

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Like there, fan, I.

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Speaker 1: Had that stance as recently as last year.

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Speaker 2: You really clung to that CLU seven that off season,

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I signed with the Pacers Clue eight. In my second

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season with the Pacers, I averaged eighteen a game on

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a playoff team that was ultimately swept. Clue nine turned

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this into a four year deal with the Jazz, where

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I was a consistent scoring option who could be a

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reliable wing. Those really were the best Boganovich days was

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in Utah. I completely forgot about that. Yeah, those teams

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were gros.

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Speaker 1: Jazz teams were of just the better, like continuous cores

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that just couldn't get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In twenty two, I was traded to the Pistons,

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where I was essentially held hostage for eighteen months till

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they traded me for pennies on the dollar and then

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final clue, I was back with the Nets after another trade.

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I've since been bought out. And then Mike wrote this

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this one like eight months ago, is in parentheses there.

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Speaker 1: Still he's actually not in the NBA anymore than the

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Nets wave Ham or is he still on the Net?

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Speaker 2: I think that's I think, well he said I've since

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been bought out, and then I think did he announce

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his retirement? Probably? I don't know, see that definitely, my

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miss I may have just made that up.

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Speaker 1: So great, greatogast by who of us?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for your Yes? Now, I just want

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to remind you because there were some complaints from you

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last time. It's time to get in the mind of

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a psycho.

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Speaker 2: Path see, like now I'm really on high alert. I

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was already I So here's here's my new approach to this.

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don't know how that's gonna affect my accuracy, but I

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just want everyone to know that I'm anticipating subterfuge.

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Speaker 1: So you're right, you're already entering this under protest.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm becoming a psychopath that like, as a

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result of having to get in the mind of one

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so often.

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Speaker 1: Okay, clue one. I was a first round pick. I

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was a first round draft pick and famously played hoops

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as a teenager in Italy.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so he wants me to say Kobe Bryant,

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and I will, but that won't be right.

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Speaker 1: You got it wrong. Now, fun fun fact, Bill who

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submitted this told me that I bet you he's too

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He didn't say this. He was wondering if you would

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guess Kobe bryan He thought you might be too much

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of a coward because it would have been the obvious pick.

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Speaker 2: That's already. Do you see what's happening? Do you see?

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Like so already it's like we're we're playing rock paper

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scissors and I'm like trying to guess. Well, he wouldn't

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throw scissors twice, so I can't like this is what's happening.

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I'm like, I've already so successful guests. A player submission,

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I'm I am on till after one clue?

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Speaker 1: Do you care to venture another guest before we get

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to club?

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Speaker 2: Another teenager? That is the word famously played basketball in Italy.

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That can't be Oh, it is in fact famously.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna have.

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Speaker 2: So this person is famous for playing basketball as a

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teenager in Italy.

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Speaker 1: Any teenager who's playing professionally in Italy be considered to

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be some form of celebrity already already.

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Speaker 2: This is what's uh, Mike D'Antoni. Let's say.

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Speaker 1: You just wanted to say, D'Antoni, I.

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Speaker 2: Did sorry the did we get a timeline on the

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first first round pick? But no year?

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Speaker 1: Correct?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's let's go.

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Speaker 1: Clue number two. I started eighty five percent of my

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games in New Orleans, averaging eleven points, two boards, and

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two assists per game during my time there.

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Speaker 2: Eleven two and two play.

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Speaker 1: I would say that's even a famous stat.

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Speaker 2: Line, would you? That is a weird stat line in

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New Orleans? Man, there's this is so layered. So this

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player played eighty five percent of his games while with

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the Hornets, or eighty five percent of his career games

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with the hornets.

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Speaker 1: What's the clue was? And I apologize because if someone,

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as someone pointed out previously, I misled you by saying

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twenty twenty three instead of two thousand and three. So

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I recognize I might have said this wrong, but it

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says I started eighty five percent of my games in

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New Orleans. Okay, started from not playing eighty five percent

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of his career games there?

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Speaker 2: All right, So of the games this player, this, this

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Italian high school legend played in New or so you recognize.

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Speaker 1: That there are such things as international high schools.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I can see no such thing.

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What if it's Darko Milicic's again, somehow I forgot that

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he plays.

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Speaker 1: Would have been diabolical. But it's so it's not Darko Milite.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, h eleven. So this is the thing. Eighty

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five percent of how many games did this player play?

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Like six of seven games? No, he wouldn't do that. Man,

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the Italy thing. Again, Bill's really good at getting me

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to anchor to something that probably doesn't matter. Oh uh m,

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andres NOCCIONI.

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Speaker 1: No nice name, though, that is not it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if he played for New Orleans.

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So we can. We can move on.

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Speaker 1: Clue number three. Never an All star. I played twenty

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three minutes per game in my thirteen year NBA career.

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That's and nine teams.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, we are all over the place. Nine teams,

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including New Orleans thirteen years. Twenty three minutes is like

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not there must have been some thirty minute ters in there.

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Uh see, this is the thing. I'm trying to think

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of Italian players, and there's just like no chance this

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guy's Italian somehow? Was this one you said you wouldn't

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have gotten.

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Speaker 1: I did not get it because it does not submit

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the names, so I always have to figure it out

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for myself. And this one I did need to google.

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Speaker 2: All right. Oh great, Uh that's a long career. Hmm,

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eleven two and two. I know they're not Italian. Obviously

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they didn't. I was gonna say neither of the Hernan

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Gomez has played long enough, but I think Willie did

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actually play. I don't know anyway. Let's let's go to

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the next clue.

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Speaker 1: This is clue number four, and you have only one

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more after though, Oh no, clue four. I won an

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NBA title for a sixty two win team, averaging eleven

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point four points per game off the bench and finished

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eleventh in six Man of the Year voting. I was

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one of three players on my team who received six

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Man of the Year votes.

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Speaker 2: A sixty two win team.

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Speaker 1: Can I add some pressure to you? This is the clue?

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I informed a bill that I thought this was the

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clue you were going to get it on.

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Speaker 2: Oh great. Three three different guys got six Man of

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the Year consideration, one of them being this guy. This

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is a sixty two win title team. Oh just not

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having any kind of year is tough. Although I guess

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like New Orleans has only been around for so long.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of like, obviously the sixth title teams

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not in New Orleans. Who's won sixty two. I'm starting

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to think like Spursy getting Spursy vibes, but they didn't

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win sixty two. Man, I'm I'm stumped. This is an

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effective guess a player set of clues.

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Speaker 1: Do you want the last one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I need it.

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Speaker 1: This is the clue that he guaranteed you would get it.

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Speaker 2: Oh great, even more pressure.

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Speaker 1: Nicknamed the Professional, I averaged five point nine three point

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attempts per thirty six minutes for my career at a

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thirty eight percent clip, I could absolutely shoot it, which

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was evident in my first two seasons with the don

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Nelson Warriors.

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Speaker 2: Oh the prof.

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Speaker 1: Sixty two wins.

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Speaker 2: God damn.

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Speaker 1: I did not know if this player had the new

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named the Professor.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't either. I feel like we've already done

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Anthony Morrow, but I'm gonna guess him.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not Anthony Morris.

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Speaker 2: All right, So now we gotta find us some don Nelson. Well,

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here's the thing. There's multiple uh don Nelson Warriors stints. Oh,

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this is really gonna hurt when I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, I do have seven clue if you need it.

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Speaker 2: Oh I do?

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Speaker 1: No, I have it.

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Speaker 2: Oh a really good three point shooter. The Italy thing

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I'm just so hung up on. It was on a

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title team. They won sixty two games, So the don

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the those don Nelson Warriors were like, I don't know,

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like six to ten. Who could really shoot it on

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those Nelly Warriors teams. This is bad. Anytime you include

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a Warrior's clue and I don't get it, it's really

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like a it's a double amy. I'm just gonna be

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dead air with me. Sitting here thinking, So I guess,

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I guess I can see defeat. Well, need the bonus clue.

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Speaker 1: Clue number seven, three words big Balls dance.

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Speaker 2: Well, if there's Sam Cassell is the originator of the

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Big Balls Dance, it's not him?

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Why can't I think of this? Why can't I think

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of this? Who did this?

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Speaker 1: You're not Maybe you're not online enough to know this,

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but you cannot Big Balls Dance for the Chicago Bulls.

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Speaker 2: It's still not there, it's still not coming. I don't

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know beard, Yeah, why can't I? Oh, this is so bad?

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Speaker 1: Do you want the review? Try to give me the initials?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: How about this? You were on the right track with

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the Spurs.

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Speaker 2: Oh uh, but he was also on the warrior. I

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don't I got a I got a block up or something.

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I don't. I don't have it.

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Speaker 1: M B is the initials?

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Speaker 2: You just gotta. You just have to tell me who it.

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Speaker 1: Is, Marco BELLNELLI?

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, God damn it. So the Italian high school

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thing was not a misleading thing at all? Oh in

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New Orleans? Sure? Yeah, Now I remember the Big Balls Dance.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get I I did not get this. To

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be clear, when I was reading them myself.

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Speaker 2: I should have got that. I think this. This is

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a result of I I think I have I've been

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I think i'm I think of questioning myself too much.

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I don't have. I've lost all my confidence after the

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Darko fiasco.

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Speaker 1: You took long enough on that one that I might

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not even be able to use it for YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with like on a five clue question. Oh thanks, Bill.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm surprised you didn't get it on the The

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Big Balls Dance one, but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean I remember that now, I I yeah, I got

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no excuses.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, this is I mean this as a compliment. I

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was worried that you already said him, and for some

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reason I just didn't respond or something, because it.

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Speaker 2: Was so obvious I should have gotten it. You assume

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guy said it.

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Speaker 1: There's a nickname for him. I guess I always associate

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those types of nicknames with just because doctor J exists

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like someone that has handles or something.

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Speaker 2: And well, now that you say that, he kind of

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looks like Jon Renaud, who's the actor in that movie

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The Professional Who. He's like a hitman. He has like

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the really hooded eyes. That's how and Bellen they look alike.

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I bet you that's why he has that nickname. I'm

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sure anyway, all right, so it's your turn. Now you

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will have to I transfer the mind of the psychopath

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to you. This is also from be Rich Clue number one.

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I was drafted top ten in nineteen ninety five and

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for sure went to college in the US. I led

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my team to the final four alongside another top ten

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but lost to Nolan Richardson's Razorbacks.

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Speaker 1: The first part was drafted in nineteen ninety five, a.

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Speaker 2: Top ten pick in ninety five United States of America

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college went to the final four while playing with another

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top ten pick on his team.

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Speaker 1: Chris Webber. Nope, Rose, I just start maybe Michigan Lums.

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Speaker 2: You're ninety five.

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Speaker 1: So there were two top ten picks in ninety five

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from the same college basketball team. Look, this might surprise you, Grant.

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I do not have an epic wealth of knowledge when

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it comes to college basketball and where NBA players played

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their college basketball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think the I think Bill's

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aware of that, and I think that's why you got

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the clue phrase that way.

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Speaker 1: We're also we're operating under the guys that I'm not

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going to get this. You gave me less than a

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fifty to fifty shot.

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Speaker 2: Well, all right, let's you do you wanna you did?

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You did attempt to one shot kill? You want clue

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number two?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Please?

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Speaker 2: All right? In an eighteen year career, I was a

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two time All Star. I also finished top five and

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Rookie of the Year voting. Well this here we go,

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Bill says. I also finished top five and Rookie of

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the Year voting four different times across an eleven year span.

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So he was We'll just get that clue because I

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don't think you can. I wonder what might he have

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meant Rookie of the Year voting. Could have been six

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Man of the Year voting. Maybe, but you should disregard

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that clue in yeah, so next clue Ben Simmons eighteen

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year career, that's time Rookie of the Year. Yeah, Chet Holmgren,

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so two time All Star, eighteen year career is what

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I would fixate on if I were you, as opposed

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to the multiple Rookie of the Year high finishes.

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Speaker 1: Or just assume that he meant six Man of the.

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Speaker 2: I think I think I would assume six man on

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this player. I think I would.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I still I don't have anything. But eighteen years.

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There's only been a handful of players that played eighteen years.

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Hold on, I need to I needed ninety five. Yeah,

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attended it. They attended United States high school, but they

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went to college. They attended the US college.

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Speaker 2: All you need to know is yet, no high no

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mention of high school. A college in the US that

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made the Final four in ninety five.

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Speaker 1: Ninety five. It's Richard Jefferson. Good guess no eighteen years

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Vince Carter, good guess no. Michael Sinley. Not even where

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these players went to college. Even if they went to college,

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they knowe where Vince Carter went, right, it's North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: You want the next clue?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In my best statistical year, which was two thousand and

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two thousand and one, I scored twenty nine point eight

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points per game. I led the NBA in points scored,

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field goal attempts, field goal attempts missed, free throws made,

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and turnovers. In other news, my team won thirty two

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games and missed the playoffs. In the East.

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Speaker 1: Oh, in the East, this is two thousand, had the

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league in scoring.

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Speaker 2: And turnovers and shots and misses.

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Speaker 1: Who's a real, chucker, I'm getting more you have. They

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only made eighteen year career. They were twenty nine points

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per game one season, but they ended up being a

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two time All Star. The fuck is this player? And

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it wasn't like, oh, multi time Rookie of the Year.

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I gotta remember that.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to narrow it down. How many

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guys have won multiple Rookies of the Year.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna bother me that I'm not gonna get

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two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I think the next you know what, I'm

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upping your your success percentage chance to sixty two thirds.

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You're a sixty seven percent chance of success. Now.

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Speaker 1: It's just though, like two thousand to average twenty nine

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points per game back then is a pretty big outlier.

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So why don't I know this?

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Speaker 2: Probably because he played on a team that lost fifty games,

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like nobody paid attention to.

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Speaker 1: There's a bad teams. Who was a bad team? Just

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give me the next one, all right?

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Speaker 2: Playing for eight teams in my career, I'd say I'm

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most associated with Philly Detroit and the MAVs. And I

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would agree.

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Speaker 1: With that, Philly Detroit and the MAVs. Philly Detroit two

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thousands and the MAVs. Uh did Eric Snow play for

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the MAVs or the Pistons?

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Speaker 2: The Eric Snow average thirty game.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, So I'm trying to who is

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the shitty team during the two thousands? The six weren't they?

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They're pretty good in two thousands, so we couldn't have

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been on that team. So if I would think, I'm

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gonna pretend like I know it was, that means he

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might have been on Detroit. But I don't know that

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for sure. Most associated with Detroit. Ninety five is way

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too early for in the eighteen years. It's not a

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Michael Redd. No, that's a Bucks player. Why am I

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just name Bucks players here? Oh? Man, I hate myself.

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Speaker 2: I guess just I think you're you have to be

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right about I don't think he's on Philly in two

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thousand and two thousand and one, because this isn't that

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the six Ers finals year?

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Speaker 1: Wait? Oh no, wait? Did he play for the MAVs?

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Did he play for Rip Hamilton?

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Speaker 2: No? No, he played for the.

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Speaker 1: I know he played for the Pistons. I don't think

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he ever played for the MAVs. With the Sixers, that

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was a bad guess. Nine teams twenty nine points a game.

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That's so many points. All right, give me the next clue.

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Speaker 2: All right, you've got two more in this one. I

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don't know if it's gonna help you. Uh. Famously, I

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was part of a four team trade, including Great Buckner,

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that sent me from the Dallas from Dallas to Memphis.

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I was waived by Memphis the following day. That's just

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a that's just an opportunity to mention Greg Buckner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out Greg Butner Buckner again. I feel like

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I should know this one. I hope when I don't

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get it that I really didn't know. You say the name,

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but I'm like, there's no way it's that player. I

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never even should have known him.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think I still think I am confident.

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Speaker 1: I think he gave me a forty chance. That's not confident.

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Speaker 2: I bumped you to sixty seven. But now we're slipping

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a little bit because we'll have one clue left.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I only have one clue left. I seed it like,

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who played for any of those teams that you mentioned

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that they're twenty nine points on a really shitty team,

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like wildly inefficient obviously, oh so annoying that's too early,

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and that's way too early for is it Lou Williams?

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Too early for him?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he retired like in twenty fourteen, and maybe even

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beyond that last clue.

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Speaker 2: Please all right, I am currently an assistant coach holding

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my head in my hands watching Jonathan kaminga blow defensive coverages.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is like my lack of knowledge when it

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comes to assistant coaching staff is really going to bite

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me in the ass here.

474
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure this is the first year he's been

475
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,000
on this coaching staff too.

476
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,559
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to help me. That might

477
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,480
have been the least helpful clue that we've actually had,

478
00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:35,200
aside from multi time Rookie of the Year.

479
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,319
Speaker 2: It came at it from a different route. He's an assistant,

480
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,480
he's a coach. Now, let's see, I could come up

481
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:48,279
with some bonus clues, I think, So would you care

482
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:49,119
for bonus clues?

483
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: Give me one bonus clue?

484
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,799
Speaker 2: So you were correct that North Carolina is the college.

485
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,440
The other top ten pick this guy played with was

486
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:01,920
Rashid Wallace. I'm pretty sure. Now.

487
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: My first response is, I didn't know Rashee Wallace went

488
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,240
to Carolina.

489
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: So that doesn't help you quite so much.

490
00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't even at all. But he was a

491
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,680
teammate of Rashid Wallace's. I feel like I should know this.

492
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,599
Speaker 2: Nope, still I think the twenty nine point eight points

493
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,960
per game came on Detroit.

494
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: Did Ben Gordon go to North Carolina? No? Did you've

495
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,160
been mentioned with the Bulls?

496
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,519
Speaker 2: He's Connecticut. I think that's too early for Gordon too.

497
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,200
What else could I tell you?

498
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: Uh?

499
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,079
Speaker 2: This guy positionally well, well, I mean the stats kind

500
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,119
of say it, but he was he was a shooting guard.

501
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:44,279
Speaker 1: Sixth man shooting guard, no kidding.

502
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: Well, I sure wasn't a six man initially, I think. Yeah,

503
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,559
it had a weird like second chapter where he was

504
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,680
a bench guy that would come in and chuck.

505
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: Jam.

506
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what else I could tell you

507
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,920
that Just I'm trying to think, like.

508
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: Uh oh, I have to remember the Carolina thing. Now,

509
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,279
that's gonna make this even harder for me. Yeah, I'm

510
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:12,119
just give me it.

511
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,079
Speaker 2: It's he had some like he definitely fell into the

512
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,279
o next Jordan uh like Trope because he's a shooting

513
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,240
guard from North Carolina that scored a lot like similar

514
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:28,519
size to Jordan Ray Felton. All right, I think you're

515
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:33,160
gonna be mad, but maybe not. Uh it is Jerry Stackhouse.

516
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:38,079
Speaker 1: I'm a honestly, I probably the inefficiency and the scoring.

517
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,079
I should have known that.

518
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'll tell you where so Bill really capitalized because

519
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:47,119
the if you know college, I think you could get

520
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,000
this pretty early. But the things that threw me I

521
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,200
could not have. I would never have guessed he played

522
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,519
for eighteen years like that. Just that seems nuts. And

523
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,920
I also don't remember, uh the well, the Greg Buckner

524
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,839
trade for one, but like the what was it, uh,

525
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:09,759
the presumably six Man of the year surge in like

526
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,279
the middle portion of his career. I had no recollection

527
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:12,559
of that.

528
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: I probably would have thought that he had more than

529
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,880
two All Star appearances. I never would have associated him

530
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,000
with any six Man of the Year type voting either.

531
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's I would just have thought of him

532
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,200
as a guy that averaged an empty twenty something for

533
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,799
ten years and then that was it. But but yeah,

534
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:29,480
that stuff he's gotten us both today.

535
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,759
Speaker 1: Well, let's see if Mike gets you. Mike submits the

536
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:35,799
following guests a player grant. Are you ready?

537
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,279
Speaker 2: Yep?

538
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,599
Speaker 1: Clue one? I was a first round pick out of

539
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,400
Tiny Arkansas A Little Rock in nineteen ninety six.

540
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: Arkansas Little Rock ninety six. I don't know. I don't know,

541
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,599
all right. I mean I don't even have a one shot. Okay,

542
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,920
ninety six. Uh, well, is that that's the that's the cob,

543
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:05,319
that's the everybody draft ninety six.

544
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,759
Speaker 1: You will definitely get this if that's any consolations.

545
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know why. I feel like this

546
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,559
is very, very wrong. But Joe Johnson, that is not

547
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,319
Joe Johnson.

548
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,559
Speaker 1: Clue too. I broke into the starting lineup in my

549
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:25,759
sophomore year, averaging five points per game but shooting thirty

550
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,559
eight percent from three.

551
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so good shooter. He started and averaged five points

552
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,359
a game.

553
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,319
Speaker 1: I broke into the starting line of my sophomore year,

554
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,720
averaging five points a game but shooting thirty eight percent

555
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,200
from three.

556
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Keith Bogan's no great wow, Okay, so he made like

557
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:53,839
one three a game. That's tough, Uh, Arkansas Little Rock.

558
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,960
I feel like that there was a real opportunity there.

559
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,279
I just can't think of anybody.

560
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,599
Speaker 1: I never would have gotten it on that clube.

561
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:06,319
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just so obscure, Like I mean, it's too obscure. Frankly,

562
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,039
all right, yeah, I go, what's I'll take the next

563
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:09,880
clue please.

564
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Clue three. By the time I was entering my athletic prime,

565
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:14,799
I was part of an elite team in the league

566
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,400
and won at least one ring.

567
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,799
Speaker 2: So this is a ninety six pick that could shoot

568
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:27,039
it entering his prime and his winning titles. So let's

569
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:32,119
put that at the Oh uh, Derek Fisher.

570
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: You got it. Clue three of seven. Here are the

571
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680
other ones. In two thousand and four, I signed a

572
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,359
six year, thirty seven million dollar contract with the Warriors.

573
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,039
After two years, I was traded for Keith McLeod and

574
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,960
a few guys no one remembers. I played a year

575
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,920
in Utah. Clue five. I played a year in Utah

576
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,160
before going back to the team that drafted me. I

577
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,359
then go to OKC Dallas and then back to OKC.

578
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,319
Clue six. I coached the Knicks, and then I coached

579
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:01,000
in the WNBA. Clue seven, Mat Oranges tried to fight me.

580
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,359
Speaker 2: That's a perfect final clue because if you if you

581
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,119
know one thing about Derek Fisher, that's probably that's the thing.

582
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: You know.

583
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ark Okay, Arkansas, Little Rock really did trigger it.

584
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,559
I think that that that that was a that was

585
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:16,079
a good one.

586
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: Excellent performance by you, oh just.

587
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's too too soon to say redemption,

588
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,759
but I feel better about that. I have one from Matti,

589
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:30,880
l Are you prepared? I'm nervous, all right? Clue number one.

590
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,319
I was drafted in the second round in two thousand

591
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:34,279
and nine.

592
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:39,359
Speaker 1: Go second rofter two thousand and nine.

593
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:43,279
Speaker 2: If you can have one person, I couldn't the second

594
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:44,680
round or in oh nine.

595
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,039
Speaker 1: That's two thousand and nine is the Steph Curry draft though? Right?

596
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:56,359
That sounds right, so then I know it's not. I

597
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:57,720
Do'm not even going to pretend to.

598
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I may have to come a couple of these,

599
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,240
so I'll just read a chunk and then you can

600
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,839
stop me. I guess I was. I was the fourth

601
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,240
player drafted by this team. In my rookie season, I

602
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,519
played in ten games, averaging two point six points and

603
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,279
three point eight minutes. So to summarize, this is an

604
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,279
O nine second rounder who, like apparently this team had

605
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:23,559
a lot of picks that year and average barely played

606
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,559
his first year like four minutes a game, So that

607
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,519
would describe most second rounders probably.

608
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: And from two thousand and nine. Ye I keep going.

609
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I might I might skip a clue

610
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:41,440
or two here. That's kind of similar to that. Okay,

611
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,039
here you go during the I'm jumping to clue six

612
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,839
during the lockout. I played overseas in both Australia and China.

613
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,599
Speaker 1: Oh, Michael Beasley is a number two overall pick. Don't

614
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:55,200
say that. Just leave it grand It's cool.

615
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Fine, I think you're too No, you're about right time wise.

616
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,640
Cluse seven. I signed with another Western Conference team in

617
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,920
twenty twelve and helped them reach two NBA finals.

618
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: So couldn't that technically be a Spurs team second round

619
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,960
pick in two thousand and nine? Bors do?

620
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I like that.

621
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,599
Speaker 1: Guess uh second round pick in two thousand and nine. Two. No,

622
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,640
that's way too late. I'm gonna say it. Wow, that

623
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,359
would have been well.

624
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: The the reaching two NBA finals comes after this player

625
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,119
joins them in twenty twelve, So we're in twenty twelve

626
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,799
now when he starts leading and leading being on teams

627
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,160
that make the finals.

628
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Patty Mills correct.

629
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,759
Speaker 2: Now, it's gonna be like I would highlight Australia and

630
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,559
other things here. Good one. Okay, so a few more

631
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:06,240
clues here, let's see for this team referring to the Spurs.

632
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,680
You were correct and assuming that I'm top ten in

633
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,079
three point field goals and three point field goal attempts

634
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,240
and free throw percentage. The next clue. In twenty twenty,

635
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,680
I made my one thousand three pointer, becoming the first

636
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,559
player from my country to do so. Another Australia angle.

637
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Next clue. In twenty twenty one, I became the player

638
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,960
from my country with the most NBA games played. Twenty

639
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,559
one was a good season for me. I signed with

640
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:31,519
an East team and became the first player in NBA

641
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,519
history to shoot ten for ten from the three point

642
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,799
line in the first two games of the season. Also

643
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,240
hit nine a career high nine threes that year. Let's

644
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,279
see in twenty one, broke the record or three pointers

645
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,319
made on Christmas Day. In July of twenty three, I

646
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,119
was traded to Houston, and then you might if you

647
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:48,960
were struggling, I bet you would have got it here.

648
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,319
In July twenty three, I was traded to Houston and

649
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,920
then two days later traded to OKC. Four days after that,

650
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
I was traded to Atlanta. For ty Ti Washington and

651
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,480
remember this like Uzman Garuba, Rudy Gay and all that

652
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:03,599
other stuff and then just some more trade stuff. Good

653
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,519
job by, you got that pretty early because I skipped

654
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,440
a couple more clues of like averaged X, Y and

655
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,320
Z scored this many points against this team, which I

656
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,519
didn't think would help you that much.

657
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,039
Speaker 1: Good name from Maddie. This is why I feel bad

658
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:19,360
whenever people. This is why we recommend like between seven

659
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,119
and ten clues, because if we get it on like

660
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,159
clue three or something, and you did all that work

661
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,960
for very little peyf we have our final one. I

662
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,000
have another one for you. Okay, this is also from Mike.

663
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,960
You have ten clues, grant, Okay, clue number one. I'm

664
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,920
a second generation NBA player. My dad played in the

665
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,519
nineteen seventies.

666
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: HM seventies. So this guy's old.

667
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: His dad is certainly old.

668
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,079
Speaker 2: Well it's like, you know, it makes me feel old

669
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,800
when it's like, oh, Winston Garland played in like nineteen

670
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,360
ninety three or something. It's like, oh my god, So

671
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,639
this guy this has got to be the father of

672
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:09,039
like a serious veteran like even oh, this is from Mike.

673
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:14,000
We have to do the Canada slant here? Uh, well, gosh,

674
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,000
I can't remember Andrew. He's too he's still not old enough.

675
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,960
I can't remember Andrew Wiggins late father's name.

676
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: It's not Andrew Wiggins.

677
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget this two I should remember anyway. Okay,

678
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,559
what's so that was my one shot kill attempt. I'll

679
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:32,400
take another clue.

680
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: Clue number two. I played the maximum number of games

681
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,880
I could in my first three seasons. I averaged roughly

682
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,719
fourteen points a game with the team that drafted me.

683
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,599
Speaker 2: Oh so did not miss a game first three seasons.

684
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,920
Fourteen a game second generation player? Huh? I still I'm

685
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
so bad at math. I'm like hung up on how

686
00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:02,159
old this guy is. Seems like he should be old. Uh.

687
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,679
Let's see, I'd like to at least venture a guess here.

688
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:17,159
I'll just gotta think of second generation guys. Uh, Brent Berry.

689
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: Incorrect Clue number three. In two thousand and one, I

690
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,840
was traded for another player who played my position, a

691
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,400
move that benefited both of us. So now, at least

692
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,239
you have a timeline of when they're in the NBA.

693
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: Okay, oh one, super durable at least at the start

694
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,039
fourteen a game for the team that drafted him. So

695
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:42,239
you're trading a durable mid teens scorer for someone at

696
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:53,039
the same position in one Oh, man, I don't I

697
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:54,719
don't know. I don't have a guess.

698
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: Clue four. Right away, on my new team, I established

699
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,800
in incredible one two punch on one of the deepest

700
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,719
squads of the era. It's a shame we never had

701
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,679
the chance to play for a title in my six

702
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,960
and a half years with this team.

703
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: So early two thousands deep team that did not make

704
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:20,679
the finals. Father was in the NBA. I'm getting some

705
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,519
like getting some real Marco Belenelli vibes where I just

706
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:24,440
have no idea.

707
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,039
Speaker 1: It is not Marco Bellinelli and.

708
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,199
Speaker 2: That I feel like I'm confident in just the feeling

709
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is similar where I just have I've not got no

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even good guesses here. Who would have been a deep

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00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,079
team in the early two thousands with a second generation player? Well,

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can you read that clue one more time? I feel

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like he described the player a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Sure once the sorry. Right away, on my new team,

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I established an incredible one two punch on one of

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the deepest teams of the era. It's a shame we

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never had the chance to play for a title in

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six and a half years with them.

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Speaker 2: One two punch, Mike Bibby, correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got it that. I don't think I would have

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gotten this one, So Klue five was Once the team

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entered a rebuild, I was traded to Atlanta for Sheldon Williams,

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Tyron Lou, Anthony Johnson, the late lorenzen Wright, and a

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second round pick CLU six. The very next season, the

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Hawks drafted Jeff Tigue and traded for Jamal Crawford, signaling

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the end of my time as a primary scoring option.

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Clue seven. I'd still be the starter for my remaining

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two seasons with the team until I was traded to

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Washington with Jordan Crawford, Moe Evans, and a first for

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Kirk Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong. Clue eight. I was bought

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out after two games with the Wizards, for going my

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six point two million dollars the following season so that

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I could play for a contender. Clue nine, I signed

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with the Heat was eventually passed over for Norris Cole

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and Mario Chalmers. I went on to finish my career

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with the Knicks, but the team elected to Raymond Felton

737
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and Jason kidd over me I quietly retired, So he's

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work by you on this one.

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Speaker 2: So he was drafted by Vancouver, is that right? Do

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we know that? I can't remember that what that trade was.

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Speaker 1: The I thought you were onto something when it was

742
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clearly talking about the Kings. I thought that you might

743
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end up getting there. But he was drafted by the

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Vancouver Grizzlies number two overall right in ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: So who the heck did they trade for at the

746
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same position.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what season that was.

748
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Speaker 2: This isn't really a dialogue where Mike can just come

749
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in and be like it was this guy dummy.

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Speaker 1: Like he wasn't traded for them, right? Or was he

751
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traded for him?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The one with the clues in front of me.

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Speaker 2: He should the last clue there should have been. I

755
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am inexplicably super jacked. Now have you seen Mike Bibbie recently.

756
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Speaker 1: He's like he's definitely taken some creatine and maybe had.

757
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Speaker 2: Some assistance, it would appear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to see so the trade because he

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was part of that trade that you're referencing, So let's

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see who he was traded for. Here, I'm trying. I'm

761
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trying to think of that. Who was it that he

762
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was trading?

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Speaker 2: Because someone from Sacramento at the point guard spot is going,

764
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oh is that? Uh that's why chocolate? Right? Is that

765
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is that Jason Williams goes to the Grizzlies.

766
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Speaker 1: Yep, they traded uh, Vancouver traded him at brim price

767
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to the Kings for Nick Anderson and Jason Williams.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, glad, that was gonna bother me.

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Speaker 1: I want to let you know I wouldn't have gotten

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that one. So that is excellent work by you.

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Speaker 2: Well, so that was a good work by all involved,

772
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because we did get stumped once a piece, and then

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we did okay on the rest, good clues. Thank you everybody. Hmm,

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what're you're trying to remember the thing you told me

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to say? Right now? I'm gonna do my best. So

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if you're watching this on YouTube, make sure you're subscribed

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to us on whatever your podcast player of choice, Spotify,

778
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What else am I forgetting? So you can watch the

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entire Apple all the podcast places where the podcasts live,

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so that you can watch the entire If you're watching

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a chunk here, you can watch the entire guess of

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player episode, how'd I do?

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Speaker 1: You can listen to it rather than watch it. But

784
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other than that you did, you did great. I will

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say we'll put it out here because if anyone's listening

786
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and they have video editing skills and would like to

787
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be a part of the Hardwind Knox crew, we have

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bandied about getting a video editor in here so that

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I can focus my time on doing stuff that I'm

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perhaps also just better at. It would also be more

791
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service of creating content for the pod rather than editing it.

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But I want to try and continue putting the guests

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a player clips up on YouTube for as long as possible.

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So if you have video editing skills, you also know

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the NBA reach out Hardwaeknocks at gmail dot com getting

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00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:46,639
our discord. You could DM me at the many places

797
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I might put out feelers through other mediums, but I

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figured i'd try this first. But I don't know how

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many people listen to our outro.

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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, well, it's hard to say.

801
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And really what we want is a video editor so

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you can study mid nineties college basketball.

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Speaker 1: Rosters like ever before every Friday when we record. I

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really I'm going to sit down and just study the

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college basketball for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it's a good use of your time,

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I think. Grate Review subscribe, shout out Franklin Lackin apologies,

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Jared Allen, Thanks everybody,