Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand. Mario.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus, Hi Mario,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 2: I have I have a question? Okay, okay, when I
Speaker 2: go to museums, I always see skeletons of dinosaurs, so
Speaker 2: I know they existed.
Speaker 1: Sure, well.
Speaker 2: My question is I read the Bible in the beginning
Speaker 2: of genesisis says God made the earth and then he
Speaker 2: made Adam Andique. I've always wondered that I knew that
Speaker 2: dinosaurs existed before us. But I don't want it to
Speaker 2: sound like I'm questioning you, Jesus.
Speaker 1: No, It's okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I just it's more like I'm just curious, and maybe
Speaker 2: you could point me in the right direction. What does
Speaker 2: it anywhere in the Bible Does it say anything that
Speaker 2: dinosaurs existed.
Speaker 1: Not specifically, And it depends who you ask. There are
Speaker 1: there are many different points of view, Mario when it
Speaker 1: comes to dinosaur in scripture, and I want to go
Speaker 1: over a couple of them. One, if the Bible doesn't
Speaker 1: mention dinosaurs, that's okay. It doesn't mention the duck build
Speaker 1: platypus either, and it doesn't mention a lot of animals.
Speaker 1: It's it's from a human standpoint that that you would say, well,
Speaker 1: they were so they were unique and so specific that
Speaker 1: it's got to be mentioned in scripture. No, not necessarily,
Speaker 1: because scripture is not it's historically accurate, but it's not
Speaker 1: a history book. It's scientifically accurate, but it's not a
Speaker 1: science book. And it's it's these things that people get confused.
Speaker 1: It's a book that talks about the fall of man
Speaker 1: and the redemption and the offer of redemption demand, and
Speaker 1: it talks about God's love and God's will and God's laws.
Speaker 1: To understand these things. It does it in a way
Speaker 1: that it's dealt you know, over a span of time,
Speaker 1: dealing with chronology and through the life of humanity, but
Speaker 1: it focuses primarily on humanity, and so there isn't a
Speaker 1: need for that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Are there are those Mario who will say that in
Speaker 1: the Book of Job in chapters forty and forty one,
Speaker 1: that it talks about the Leviathan and the Bohemoth, and
Speaker 1: that these are speaking about dinosaurs because of the nature
Speaker 1: and the descriptions that they're giving, and that they have
Speaker 1: to be dinosaurs. And there's others that say, oh, whether
Speaker 1: it's a hippopotami, or it's a or it's an elephant
Speaker 1: or an alligator, of these types of things, and there's
Speaker 1: those that argue that. There's also those that will argue
Speaker 1: in science that dinosaurs had to predate man, And there
Speaker 1: are those that say, no, there's a possibility that dinosaurs
Speaker 1: and man existed at one point together. And there are
Speaker 1: those that will point to, you know, footprints, petrified footprints
Speaker 1: of both animal like dinosaurs and man, and it goes
Speaker 1: back and forth. But ultimately the most important point that
Speaker 1: I want to impart to you is that it's not
Speaker 1: about whether it mentions them or not. For them to
Speaker 1: be in existence, a Christian or anybody else would have
Speaker 1: to be a fool to say that dinosaurs didn't exist.
Speaker 1: There are still many things that are being learned about
Speaker 1: dinosaurs currently. You probably were taught about the Brontosaurus and
Speaker 1: things like that that don't exist anymore because somebody put
Speaker 1: the wrong head on the wrong body and all these
Speaker 1: and had to forensically start creating this herbivore and what
Speaker 1: it did and how it interact based on false information
Speaker 1: that happens. Certainly doesn't mean that dinosaurs don't exist, so
Speaker 1: understanding that Scripture doesn't have to mention it for it
Speaker 1: to exist. Christians don't or at least shouldn't be thinking
Speaker 1: that dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they do, but the
Speaker 1: question is always asked from the perspective of the person
Speaker 1: who thinks that dinosaurs are important, and to God, dinosaurs
Speaker 1: may not be important. There are other theories dealing with
Speaker 1: the gap theory and all kinds of things like that.
Speaker 1: In Genesis, how the possibility that maybe although the devil
Speaker 1: can't create, he can only destroy, that the devil was
Speaker 1: tampering and genetic doing genetic tampering and causing this whole
Speaker 1: new creature to exist, and that God wipe them out,
Speaker 1: and all these fanc full and sort of loosely theologically
Speaker 1: based beliefs. But really you can believe that they talked
Speaker 1: about in scripture. You can believe that they're not talked
Speaker 1: about in scripture, whether you believe that Job is talking
Speaker 1: about them or not. Ultimately, they did exist. They just
Speaker 1: don't have a part in man's theological, emotional, spiritual evolution,
Speaker 1: and therefore they're not in scripture in that sense, in
Speaker 1: that way the way that people think they should be
Speaker 1: and this is putting Joe aside, that they don't take
Speaker 1: a prominence because they're not important to the narrative of
Speaker 1: God and Man. And that's really what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: There's just no place that you know that says, oh, well,
Speaker 1: man has to he has to know about all kinds
Speaker 1: of parts of the phylum of creation. It's just it's
Speaker 1: not necessary to the narrative at all. Joseph, welcome to
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Thank you. It's a pleasure to talk with you. I
Speaker 4: have my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I have a question. It's very difficult to rely on faith,
Speaker 4: and it seems the most almost impossible to do to
Speaker 4: use faith and trust in it.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why?
Speaker 4: Well as evident of when I read Ecclesiastics, and perhaps
Speaker 4: you can explain it to me it Press chapter.
Speaker 1: Three, Ecclesiastes, chapter three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you get explaining, like versus one through nine.
Speaker 1: Oh, the poem is is Solomon writes the time to
Speaker 1: give birth, a time to die, a time to plant,
Speaker 1: a time to on proof what is planted, time to kill,
Speaker 1: a time to heal that? Yeah, okay, and how and
Speaker 1: what's your question about that?
Speaker 4: Well, my question about that is it is this that
Speaker 4: time man looking at how we're treating mankind.
Speaker 1: Okay, this isn't talking about a specific time like that.
Speaker 1: This is not talking like that there's going to be
Speaker 1: a time of killing. It's not prophetic in that sense.
Speaker 1: It's actually quite beautiful. What it's talking about is that
Speaker 1: in everyone's life there's appointed times an opportunity to establish
Speaker 1: your will in different ways, both good and bad, but
Speaker 1: it should always be done for productive reasons. There is
Speaker 1: a time where in self defense you would take someone's life.
Speaker 1: There is a time or where you will be wounded.
Speaker 1: There is a time where you will heal. The point
Speaker 1: of all this is to not assume that you're ever
Speaker 1: going to escape certain parts of the reality of life.
Speaker 1: That there are going to be things that come up
Speaker 1: in your life that you're going to be faced with
Speaker 1: that you'll have to deal with, and to always assume
Speaker 1: that everything is only going to be one sided. You're
Speaker 1: only going to heal, You're only going to have times
Speaker 1: laughing or dance. There's only going to be a time
Speaker 1: of building things up, there's only going to be a
Speaker 1: time of embracing or these types of things is wrong.
Speaker 1: This particular type of poem is really pointing out the differences,
Speaker 1: the contrast, the opposites, and the things that will go
Speaker 1: on in your life, and that you will experience both,
Speaker 1: and that that will be very common to to experience
Speaker 1: and and deal with both of them as they pertained
Speaker 1: your life and as they pop up, and that that's
Speaker 1: that's okay, but it still has to be done under
Speaker 1: the will of God. It's not talking about a season
Speaker 1: in the sense the word season there actually is best
Speaker 1: described as time or point or a duration. Rather the
Speaker 1: word prior that said, spoken about as time is actually
Speaker 1: talking about a point of time. So there's a point
Speaker 1: of time where where for a duration you'll do such
Speaker 1: and such, And this particular type of poem is really
Speaker 1: to show those contrasts and how they work in people's
Speaker 1: lives and how you will experience them. That there will
Speaker 1: be a time where you gather things, there will be
Speaker 1: a time where you scatter things, there'll be a time
Speaker 1: where you build up, and there'll be a time where
Speaker 1: you tear down, and that those will have a particular
Speaker 1: purpose and meaning. And these types of things will come
Speaker 1: in and out of your life as they will with
Speaker 1: everybody's life. And it's not about oh, there's going to
Speaker 1: be a season of killing, and this happens to be
Speaker 1: the season of killing, which is where I believe you
Speaker 1: were getting at. This is not a season of killing.
Speaker 1: You have to put a lot of things into the equation,
Speaker 1: one of which is that you're looking at news footage
Speaker 1: as well. So there's things that when they get portrayed
Speaker 1: or you'll hear them in the news, and depending on
Speaker 1: how they're portrayed, that you think, oh, wow, the world's
Speaker 1: going to hell on a greased pole. And that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily the case. It's not that things are getting better,
Speaker 1: but there are seasons. There are seasons of goodness and
Speaker 1: there are seasons of badness. There are times where people
Speaker 1: will do good in the in the the important thing
Speaker 1: is to be on that be in that place of
Speaker 1: always tuning your will to the will of God and
Speaker 1: doing those things that are good. You see these movies
Speaker 1: where somebody, oh, you know, miss has a misunderstanding and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, they think they're
Speaker 1: their wife or their girlfriends cheating on them, and then
Speaker 1: they react by going out and having an affair or somebody,
Speaker 1: and then you're looking at it the whole time outside
Speaker 1: of the situation going, my goodness, you're making it worse. Well,
Speaker 1: that's how God is. I continually watch you react to
Speaker 1: things poorly and make them worse, and take a season
Speaker 1: of pain and make it something evil, rather than finding
Speaker 1: that place to be good or kind or learn something
Speaker 1: from it and move away from it or make real,
Speaker 1: true change. And that comes from those different seasons and
Speaker 1: the different things that will come through your life, both
Speaker 1: birth and death, both love and hate, both war and peace.
Speaker 1: Things will come from this depending on how you respond
Speaker 1: to them, not just the simple fact that they're happening
Speaker 1: to you. Charlene, you there, my dear.
Speaker 3: I hope you can hear me.
Speaker 1: I certainly can. How can I help you?
Speaker 3: Great? I'll be quick, thank you. My question is how
Speaker 3: should I respond to homosexuals in society as a whole?
Speaker 3: And I have a nephew that practice is homosexual. I
Speaker 3: want to be loving, and yet I want to either
Speaker 3: what should I do or say would be the best
Speaker 3: witness for them.
Speaker 1: You love them, and you treat them like humans, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing in scripture that would say otherwise, And I'm
Speaker 1: baffled and angered by that. There are some and even
Speaker 1: on the fringe in the church that would use scripture
Speaker 1: to be hateful and hurtful to people. It disgusts me.
Speaker 3: And the.
Speaker 1: Church has had some issues with homosexuality and continues to
Speaker 1: and kind of ostracizes and makes them different and makes
Speaker 1: them the focus of all anger and ridicule. And I
Speaker 1: don't understand this. I don't know where they get this.
Speaker 1: To have that attitude and to kind of segregate the
Speaker 1: gay community the way that they have.
Speaker 3: Well, my question is they're basically for the most part,
Speaker 3: they say that they're born that way, and I don't
Speaker 3: I don't believe that that would be backed up through scripture.
Speaker 1: Well there's the scripture doesn't say one way or the other,
Speaker 1: first of all. And the argument goes back and forth.
Speaker 1: The doctor Simon LeVay, not to be confused with the
Speaker 1: Satanist Anton Leave, but the doctor Simon LeVay, who wrote
Speaker 1: extensively on the dealings with human sexuality, did some tests
Speaker 1: dealing with brain stems and the like that pointed out
Speaker 1: certain commonalities with gay men. That is used, often misquoted
Speaker 1: to say that, look, there's proof that it's biological and
Speaker 1: they're born this way. Honestly, scientifically, there is no specific
Speaker 1: proof just yet, however, saying that, what does it matter?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why people argue one way or the
Speaker 1: other on either side whether it's biology, because if it's
Speaker 1: if something is biological, putting homosexuality aside. But if anything
Speaker 1: is biological, does that automatically make it good or bad?
Speaker 3: Well, if it's contrary just to what God says?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's say that that you found out that
Speaker 1: a murderer that was biological that they murdered, would that
Speaker 1: make it good?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't believe they would ever find out that
Speaker 3: it would be biological.
Speaker 1: Well they may. I'm saying that that the argument kind
Speaker 1: of gets pushed aside and people get caught up in that,
Speaker 1: And really it's about being human and kind to one another.
Speaker 1: You're called to be a Christian and to be loving,
Speaker 1: and justice and all of that plays a part in
Speaker 1: all things. But the Bible says as horrible things about
Speaker 1: those involved in gluttony, and would the church would never
Speaker 1: ever treat those that are considered to be fat the
Speaker 1: same way that they treat the gay community. So there's
Speaker 1: a separate bias.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, How how do you witness to other than
Speaker 3: just being loving and kind. How would you point out
Speaker 3: that that that you know the Bible clearly.
Speaker 1: And why would you start with Why would you start
Speaker 1: with that in any place? I mean, do you start
Speaker 1: with that when you talk to anybody? Do you find
Speaker 1: out what their sin may or may not be and
Speaker 1: focus in on that and start from there, or do
Speaker 1: you tell them about the gospel? Gospel means good news,
Speaker 1: and the good news is that man has steered themselves
Speaker 1: away from God and that God has built a bridge
Speaker 1: through the blood on the cross as a path back
Speaker 1: to God. That's the good news. And I find that
Speaker 1: oftentimes Charlene Christians want to talk about things because it's
Speaker 1: harder to live in a way that would inspire change,
Speaker 1: and to do that takes real effort on your part
Speaker 1: to walk in a way where people come to you.
Speaker 1: One Peter three point fifteen talks about to sanctify Jesus's
Speaker 1: Lord in your heart and then to be ready and
Speaker 1: willing to give a defense to those who asked about
Speaker 1: the hope that lies within you? Why do they ask
Speaker 1: about the hope that lies within you because they see
Speaker 1: you live in a way that makes them think, Wow,
Speaker 1: how did you deal with that pain or deal with
Speaker 1: that struggle or trial in your life so gracefully and
Speaker 1: with such strength. But Christians go, no, it's easier to
Speaker 1: pin someone in a corner, to tell them how horrible
Speaker 1: they are and how much better we are by having
Speaker 1: this and those types of things. And it sets people
Speaker 1: apart and makes it a big mass of you know,
Speaker 1: Christians saying we're a have and the world is a
Speaker 1: have not. And it it doesn't set the table for
Speaker 1: a place of eating. It sets the table for vomiting
Speaker 1: and people wanting to reject what you have to give them.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I'm not coming from a point of hate
Speaker 3: this one in particular. It is my nephew, and I'm
Speaker 3: wondering other than just by example, and let's say he
Speaker 3: was to come to me. And because I believe that
Speaker 3: the Bible says that homosexual the practice of homosexuality is wrong,
Speaker 3: just like adultery or anything else. You know, it's a
Speaker 3: sin against the body, like gluttony or what have you.
Speaker 3: As you say, but they they, they, I don't think
Speaker 3: that kind of lifestyle should be sanctioned.
Speaker 1: Okay, But there's fat pastors and you don't have there
Speaker 1: are pastors that are obese, and you don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with that. There are people in the church, or
Speaker 1: or if your nephew was was fat, would you be
Speaker 1: making this phone call.
Speaker 3: I think it's a different kind of sins.
Speaker 1: But why they're spoken about, matter of fact, gluttony's spoken
Speaker 1: about more than any of the other sins that you've
Speaker 1: brought up.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true, but that doesn't.
Speaker 1: And it's spoken about about being an abomination.
Speaker 3: Sure, But I mean, why.
Speaker 1: Charlene, why why do you separate? Why is it different
Speaker 1: to you than other sins, including the sins that you
Speaker 1: live and experience in your own life every day, because.
Speaker 3: It seems to be for example.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're breaking up again, my dear, don't walk around
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, don't walk around. Are you on a
Speaker 1: cordless phone there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, stay still. Okay, you said your nephew what.
Speaker 3: He seems to think that that is a perfectly acceptable lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then it's not your place to change that.
Speaker 1: What it is your place is to explain the gospel,
Speaker 1: the beauty of the gospel. Yeah, and let God bring
Speaker 1: him to any understanding that he needs specifically. But it's
Speaker 1: that the church is so hyper focused and so honestly
Speaker 1: cruel to the gay community that you can't blame the
Speaker 1: gay community for rejecting the church patently in many cases.
Speaker 1: And there are many lovely people in the gay community
Speaker 1: that are trying to reach out to the church, and
Speaker 1: the church keeps smacking their hands and not wanting to
Speaker 1: engage them. And it's disgusting. It has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the gospel, has nothing to do with scripture, has nothing.
Speaker 1: It's people putting this in above all of their sins
Speaker 1: and making it different when it's not talked about that
Speaker 1: way in scripture, and it's not segregated the way people
Speaker 1: segregate it, and if they and honestly is put on
Speaker 1: the same platform as gluttony.
Speaker 3: Well, I disagree with.
Speaker 1: You, but you're in this sense that you're disagreeing, Charlene,
Speaker 1: You're disagreeing emotionally, not out of scripture.
Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about for example, society, for example, gay
Speaker 3: marriage and so forth.
Speaker 1: Now wait a second, do you do you think you
Speaker 1: need to speak out against two Muslims getting.
Speaker 3: Married, two Muslims getting married.
Speaker 1: Two Muslims getting married. Do you think you need to
Speaker 1: speak out about two Jews getting married?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: What about two non believers?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, now, wait a second, But wait a second. Do
Speaker 1: you think that the Lord condones two atheists getting married?
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, because if it's if it's if
Speaker 1: it's if it's about God sanctioning the marriage, and it's
Speaker 1: not about this a civil union, which is dealing with
Speaker 1: the state. If if gay marriage or marriage at all
Speaker 1: is dealing with God, then from a religious standpoint, you
Speaker 1: have the right to say that. But as an American,
Speaker 1: because you're both, you don't have a right to place
Speaker 1: those things on people. The Constitution governs the United States.
Speaker 1: The Bible governs the Christian's heart, and there are two
Speaker 1: separate things. Regardless of where you stand politically on this. Charlene,
Speaker 1: and I know people are going to try and make
Speaker 1: this into a political statement. It's not. This is strictly
Speaker 1: a theological statement that as Christians in the United States,
Speaker 1: you will be torn to sometimes allow things as an American,
Speaker 1: because Americans have right to do that, including different religions,
Speaker 1: different belief systems, including atheism, that you can't outlaw those
Speaker 1: things anymore than you could outlaw divorce, which would be
Speaker 1: where I would say to start if you were going
Speaker 1: to start thrusting moral beliefs on the American society would
Speaker 1: start with divorce, which is more damaging than anything else.
Speaker 1: This is not a political statement. This is a theological
Speaker 1: statement that Scripture says to defend those things, yes, but
Speaker 1: also says to it abide by the law of the land,
Speaker 1: which is the Constitution. They are two separate documents. It's
Speaker 1: a big problem when Christians confuse the Bible with the Constitution. Frank,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesus, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I am well, how can I help you?
Speaker 4: I had a question about the UFOs and phenomenal So
Speaker 4: if I hear pastors sometimes say that they believe it's
Speaker 4: some kind.
Speaker 2: Of evil empathy or something, but yet.
Speaker 4: They seem to have a physical Formam, if there's some
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 3: Craft, what do you think that is?
Speaker 1: Okay? So you're asking specifically about UFOs. Angels are also
Speaker 1: what are referred to as demons. Demons are or more importantly,
Speaker 1: demons are considered to be fallen angels as well as
Speaker 1: lucifer satan. So angels do take physical form. Now, as
Speaker 1: far as UFOs, I'll tell you where a lot of
Speaker 1: this comes from. So the term angel actually means messenger.
Speaker 1: That's literally translates to messenger. And there are different you know,
Speaker 1: groups that that will argue different things theologically with to
Speaker 1: angels and demons and such. So, going off of the
Speaker 1: the idea that most theologians believe that demons are angels, yes,
Speaker 1: they could absolutely manifest physically, most certainly, and and do
Speaker 1: in scripture at times in different ways and through possession.
Speaker 1: So that's off the board, no problem. When it comes
Speaker 1: to UFOs. The reason why some may think, well, the
Speaker 1: UFOs are a manifestation of an evil spirit is because
Speaker 1: of a few things. One, it distracts from the nature
Speaker 1: of God. It makes people people tend to fill the
Speaker 1: holes in their lives with false gods, you know, sex, drugs,
Speaker 1: rock and roll, even UFOs. They start thinking, well, you
Speaker 1: know what, everything on the earth points to transcendent points
Speaker 1: to intelligent life, all of these things. But I don't
Speaker 1: believe in God, so I'm going to believe that there's
Speaker 1: extraterrestrials or I'm going to believe there's something outside here
Speaker 1: that's trying to communicate All these are kind of god
Speaker 1: ish God light type concepts that people try and bring
Speaker 1: into their lives, and so that's a part of it.
Speaker 1: The second part of it is that whenever a so
Speaker 1: called UFO lands and an extraterrestrial comes out and has communication,
Speaker 1: it's always antithetical to scripture. It's always talking about some
Speaker 1: great oneness or something here or something there, or that
Speaker 1: there's power withinside you. These are all the things that
Speaker 1: other religions have taught forever and ever. So there are
Speaker 1: some theories by theologians that believe that because of the
Speaker 1: things that are being said and because of the way
Speaker 1: they're cited in some of the expressions, the things that
Speaker 1: people say they experience, there are those that just believe
Speaker 1: it's completely phony and it's either a natural phenomenon or
Speaker 1: people are seeing things kind of a wish fulfillment, or
Speaker 1: you know, like looking at a cloud and saying that
Speaker 1: cloud looks like ABE Lincoln. Well it's not really a
Speaker 1: b Lincoln. It's cloud that looks like a Lincoln. So
Speaker 1: either they're seeing things that resemble something really resembling you know,
Speaker 1: sketches and cartoons and you know what movies have created
Speaker 1: back in the forties to current days, and they're kind
Speaker 1: of replacing that and saying, okay, that's what it must be.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, the other idea is that
Speaker 1: maybe people are really seeing something and maybe it is
Speaker 1: otherworldly but not extraterrestrial, and that it is of the
Speaker 1: demonic type, and that's why they're constantly pointing away from
Speaker 1: the concept of me, the concept of a savior, the
Speaker 1: concept of scripture, the concept of God, and pointing back
Speaker 1: to humanity, which is what humans like. Humans love to
Speaker 1: be important. They love to be important, love to think
Speaker 1: that they have powers, love to think that they can,
Speaker 1: you know, solve everything themselves, all of these things, and
Speaker 1: it kind of points back to that and still gives
Speaker 1: them the satisfaction of believing that there's a transcendent of
Speaker 1: some sort, so they get all the superiority and feeling
Speaker 1: you know, great and strong and superior, and also feel
Speaker 1: like there's something else, greater out there. And that's why
Speaker 1: some theologians on the fringe may say that those types
Speaker 1: of things and experiences can be demonic. Thank you all
Speaker 1: for joining me this Sunday, as I hope you do
Speaker 1: every single Sunday. Meet us back here, same time, same
Speaker 1: place next week. And remember, more importantly than all the
Speaker 1: craziness in this world are these words. I Am with
Speaker 1: you always. KFI am six forty on demand,