WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:06.839 You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand. Mario. 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.119 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus, Hi Mario, 3 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:10.720 what's going on? 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:17.320 I have I have a question? Okay, okay, when I 5 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:20.280 go to museums, I always see skeletons of dinosaurs, so 6 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:21.199 I know they existed. 7 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:23.160 Sure, well. 8 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:26.280 My question is I read the Bible in the beginning 9 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:29.399 of genesisis says God made the earth and then he 10 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:34.439 made Adam Andique. I've always wondered that I knew that 11 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:40.320 dinosaurs existed before us. But I don't want it to 12 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:41.960 sound like I'm questioning you, Jesus. 13 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:43.280 No, It's okay, yeah. 14 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.359 I just it's more like I'm just curious, and maybe 15 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:47.679 you could point me in the right direction. What does 16 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:50.640 it anywhere in the Bible Does it say anything that 17 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:52.960 dinosaurs existed. 18 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.240 Not specifically, And it depends who you ask. There are 19 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:58.840 there are many different points of view, Mario when it 20 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:01.719 comes to dinosaur in scripture, and I want to go 21 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:07.560 over a couple of them. One, if the Bible doesn't 22 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:13.040 mention dinosaurs, that's okay. It doesn't mention the duck build 23 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:16.920 platypus either, and it doesn't mention a lot of animals. 24 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:23.879 It's it's from a human standpoint that that you would say, well, 25 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.480 they were so they were unique and so specific that 26 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:29.560 it's got to be mentioned in scripture. No, not necessarily, 27 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:33.799 because scripture is not it's historically accurate, but it's not 28 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:38.680 a history book. It's scientifically accurate, but it's not a 29 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:44.400 science book. And it's it's these things that people get confused. 30 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.239 It's a book that talks about the fall of man 31 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.200 and the redemption and the offer of redemption demand, and 32 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.400 it talks about God's love and God's will and God's laws. 33 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.560 To understand these things. It does it in a way 34 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.079 that it's dealt you know, over a span of time, 35 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:09.479 dealing with chronology and through the life of humanity, but 36 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:13.840 it focuses primarily on humanity, and so there isn't a 37 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:14.520 need for that. 38 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:14.719 Now. 39 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.599 Are there are those Mario who will say that in 40 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:22.039 the Book of Job in chapters forty and forty one, 41 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:26.400 that it talks about the Leviathan and the Bohemoth, and 42 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.759 that these are speaking about dinosaurs because of the nature 43 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.599 and the descriptions that they're giving, and that they have 44 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:34.639 to be dinosaurs. And there's others that say, oh, whether 45 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:41.719 it's a hippopotami, or it's a or it's an elephant 46 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.840 or an alligator, of these types of things, and there's 47 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:48.080 those that argue that. There's also those that will argue 48 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:54.240 in science that dinosaurs had to predate man, And there 49 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.560 are those that say, no, there's a possibility that dinosaurs 50 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:01.680 and man existed at one point together. And there are 51 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:06.719 those that will point to, you know, footprints, petrified footprints 52 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:13.319 of both animal like dinosaurs and man, and it goes 53 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.759 back and forth. But ultimately the most important point that 54 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.520 I want to impart to you is that it's not 55 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.680 about whether it mentions them or not. For them to 56 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.159 be in existence, a Christian or anybody else would have 57 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.439 to be a fool to say that dinosaurs didn't exist. 58 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.319 There are still many things that are being learned about 59 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:35.919 dinosaurs currently. You probably were taught about the Brontosaurus and 60 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.680 things like that that don't exist anymore because somebody put 61 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.120 the wrong head on the wrong body and all these 62 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:48.479 and had to forensically start creating this herbivore and what 63 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.039 it did and how it interact based on false information 64 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:57.360 that happens. Certainly doesn't mean that dinosaurs don't exist, so 65 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.719 understanding that Scripture doesn't have to mention it for it 66 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:07.759 to exist. Christians don't or at least shouldn't be thinking 67 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.280 that dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they do, but the 68 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.479 question is always asked from the perspective of the person 69 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:19.600 who thinks that dinosaurs are important, and to God, dinosaurs 70 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.319 may not be important. There are other theories dealing with 71 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.920 the gap theory and all kinds of things like that. 72 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:32.160 In Genesis, how the possibility that maybe although the devil 73 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.439 can't create, he can only destroy, that the devil was 74 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:39.639 tampering and genetic doing genetic tampering and causing this whole 75 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.160 new creature to exist, and that God wipe them out, 76 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:50.079 and all these fanc full and sort of loosely theologically 77 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:54.560 based beliefs. But really you can believe that they talked 78 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:56.319 about in scripture. You can believe that they're not talked 79 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.759 about in scripture, whether you believe that Job is talking 80 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.439 about them or not. Ultimately, they did exist. They just 81 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:10.360 don't have a part in man's theological, emotional, spiritual evolution, 82 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:16.079 and therefore they're not in scripture in that sense, in 83 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.759 that way the way that people think they should be 84 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:22.560 and this is putting Joe aside, that they don't take 85 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:25.839 a prominence because they're not important to the narrative of 86 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.319 God and Man. And that's really what it comes down to. 87 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:34.600 There's just no place that you know that says, oh, well, 88 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.319 man has to he has to know about all kinds 89 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:42.000 of parts of the phylum of creation. It's just it's 90 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:51.240 not necessary to the narrative at all. Joseph, welcome to 91 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:52.120 Jesus Christ Show. 92 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:58.319 Thank you. It's a pleasure to talk with you. I 93 00:05:58.360 --> 00:05:59.160 have my pleasure. 94 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:00.360 Thank you. 95 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:08.360 I have a question. It's very difficult to rely on faith, 96 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:14.199 and it seems the most almost impossible to do to 97 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:17.160 use faith and trust in it. 98 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:18.519 Why. 99 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:19.560 I'm not sure why? 100 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:25.639 Well as evident of when I read Ecclesiastics, and perhaps 101 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.920 you can explain it to me it Press chapter. 102 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.399 Three, Ecclesiastes, chapter three. 103 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:38.319 Yeah, and if you get explaining, like versus one through nine. 104 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:44.519 Oh, the poem is is Solomon writes the time to 105 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.240 give birth, a time to die, a time to plant, 106 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.360 a time to on proof what is planted, time to kill, 107 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:54.279 a time to heal that? Yeah, okay, and how and 108 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:55.839 what's your question about that? 109 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.560 Well, my question about that is it is this that 110 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:04.519 time man looking at how we're treating mankind. 111 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:08.000 Okay, this isn't talking about a specific time like that. 112 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:09.959 This is not talking like that there's going to be 113 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:13.759 a time of killing. It's not prophetic in that sense. 114 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.959 It's actually quite beautiful. What it's talking about is that 115 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.120 in everyone's life there's appointed times an opportunity to establish 116 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.839 your will in different ways, both good and bad, but 117 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.800 it should always be done for productive reasons. There is 118 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:34.040 a time where in self defense you would take someone's life. 119 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.920 There is a time or where you will be wounded. 120 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.720 There is a time where you will heal. The point 121 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.040 of all this is to not assume that you're ever 122 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:46.240 going to escape certain parts of the reality of life. 123 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.399 That there are going to be things that come up 124 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:52.000 in your life that you're going to be faced with 125 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:54.879 that you'll have to deal with, and to always assume 126 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.920 that everything is only going to be one sided. You're 127 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:02.160 only going to heal, You're only going to have times 128 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:05.480 laughing or dance. There's only going to be a time 129 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.319 of building things up, there's only going to be a 130 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.199 time of embracing or these types of things is wrong. 131 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:17.600 This particular type of poem is really pointing out the differences, 132 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.040 the contrast, the opposites, and the things that will go 133 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.800 on in your life, and that you will experience both, 134 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:27.920 and that that will be very common to to experience 135 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:32.000 and and deal with both of them as they pertained 136 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.080 your life and as they pop up, and that that's 137 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:38.279 that's okay, but it still has to be done under 138 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:40.000 the will of God. It's not talking about a season 139 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:44.960 in the sense the word season there actually is best 140 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:48.799 described as time or point or a duration. Rather the 141 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:53.120 word prior that said, spoken about as time is actually 142 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.039 talking about a point of time. So there's a point 143 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:58.759 of time where where for a duration you'll do such 144 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:04.320 and such, And this particular type of poem is really 145 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.600 to show those contrasts and how they work in people's 146 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.240 lives and how you will experience them. That there will 147 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.080 be a time where you gather things, there will be 148 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:15.080 a time where you scatter things, there'll be a time 149 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:16.879 where you build up, and there'll be a time where 150 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.519 you tear down, and that those will have a particular 151 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:27.519 purpose and meaning. And these types of things will come 152 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:29.240 in and out of your life as they will with 153 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.759 everybody's life. And it's not about oh, there's going to 154 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.480 be a season of killing, and this happens to be 155 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.399 the season of killing, which is where I believe you 156 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.799 were getting at. This is not a season of killing. 157 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:46.039 You have to put a lot of things into the equation, 158 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:52.399 one of which is that you're looking at news footage 159 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.200 as well. So there's things that when they get portrayed 160 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.840 or you'll hear them in the news, and depending on 161 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:03.960 how they're portrayed, that you think, oh, wow, the world's 162 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.080 going to hell on a greased pole. And that's not 163 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.000 necessarily the case. It's not that things are getting better, 164 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.440 but there are seasons. There are seasons of goodness and 165 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:16.159 there are seasons of badness. There are times where people 166 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:19.200 will do good in the in the the important thing 167 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.919 is to be on that be in that place of 168 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.879 always tuning your will to the will of God and 169 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.679 doing those things that are good. You see these movies 170 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.320 where somebody, oh, you know, miss has a misunderstanding and 171 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:35.120 then all of a sudden, you know, they think they're 172 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.919 their wife or their girlfriends cheating on them, and then 173 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:40.759 they react by going out and having an affair or somebody, 174 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.759 and then you're looking at it the whole time outside 175 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:48.240 of the situation going, my goodness, you're making it worse. Well, 176 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:53.559 that's how God is. I continually watch you react to 177 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:57.279 things poorly and make them worse, and take a season 178 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.480 of pain and make it something evil, rather than finding 179 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.759 that place to be good or kind or learn something 180 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.919 from it and move away from it or make real, 181 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:12.919 true change. And that comes from those different seasons and 182 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.480 the different things that will come through your life, both 183 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:22.039 birth and death, both love and hate, both war and peace. 184 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:28.320 Things will come from this depending on how you respond 185 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.639 to them, not just the simple fact that they're happening 186 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:39.080 to you. Charlene, you there, my dear. 187 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:40.879 I hope you can hear me. 188 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.840 I certainly can. How can I help you? 189 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.559 Great? I'll be quick, thank you. My question is how 190 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:54.720 should I respond to homosexuals in society as a whole? 191 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:01.519 And I have a nephew that practice is homosexual. I 192 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:05.320 want to be loving, and yet I want to either 193 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:09.679 what should I do or say would be the best 194 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.480 witness for them. 195 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.320 You love them, and you treat them like humans, and 196 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:19.440 there's nothing in scripture that would say otherwise, And I'm 197 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:25.039 baffled and angered by that. There are some and even 198 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.360 on the fringe in the church that would use scripture 199 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:32.919 to be hateful and hurtful to people. It disgusts me. 200 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:34.120 And the. 201 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:39.440 Church has had some issues with homosexuality and continues to 202 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:45.759 and kind of ostracizes and makes them different and makes 203 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:52.799 them the focus of all anger and ridicule. And I 204 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:55.320 don't understand this. I don't know where they get this. 205 00:12:55.960 --> 00:13:02.720 To have that attitude and to kind of segregate the 206 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.399 gay community the way that they have. 207 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:10.639 Well, my question is they're basically for the most part, 208 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.759 they say that they're born that way, and I don't 209 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.639 I don't believe that that would be backed up through scripture. 210 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.759 Well there's the scripture doesn't say one way or the other, 211 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.480 first of all. And the argument goes back and forth. 212 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:34.159 The doctor Simon LeVay, not to be confused with the 213 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:39.279 Satanist Anton Leave, but the doctor Simon LeVay, who wrote 214 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:45.240 extensively on the dealings with human sexuality, did some tests 215 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.799 dealing with brain stems and the like that pointed out 216 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:55.559 certain commonalities with gay men. That is used, often misquoted 217 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.360 to say that, look, there's proof that it's biological and 218 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:04.120 they're born this way. Honestly, scientifically, there is no specific 219 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:08.720 proof just yet, however, saying that, what does it matter? 220 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.000 I'm not sure why people argue one way or the 221 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:17.759 other on either side whether it's biology, because if it's 222 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.639 if something is biological, putting homosexuality aside. But if anything 223 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.720 is biological, does that automatically make it good or bad? 224 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.759 Well, if it's contrary just to what God says? 225 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.159 Okay, Well, let's say that that you found out that 226 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.919 a murderer that was biological that they murdered, would that 227 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:38.879 make it good? 228 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.039 Well, I don't believe they would ever find out that 229 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:43.279 it would be biological. 230 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.279 Well they may. I'm saying that that the argument kind 231 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.480 of gets pushed aside and people get caught up in that, 232 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.840 And really it's about being human and kind to one another. 233 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.200 You're called to be a Christian and to be loving, 234 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.960 and justice and all of that plays a part in 235 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.759 all things. But the Bible says as horrible things about 236 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:09.120 those involved in gluttony, and would the church would never 237 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:15.440 ever treat those that are considered to be fat the 238 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:19.000 same way that they treat the gay community. So there's 239 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:20.559 a separate bias. 240 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:26.480 I'm sorry, How how do you witness to other than 241 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.840 just being loving and kind. How would you point out 242 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:37.240 that that that you know the Bible clearly. 243 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.039 And why would you start with Why would you start 244 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.600 with that in any place? I mean, do you start 245 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.039 with that when you talk to anybody? Do you find 246 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.000 out what their sin may or may not be and 247 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.559 focus in on that and start from there, or do 248 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.519 you tell them about the gospel? Gospel means good news, 249 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:58.399 and the good news is that man has steered themselves 250 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.960 away from God and that God has built a bridge 251 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.080 through the blood on the cross as a path back 252 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:09.080 to God. That's the good news. And I find that 253 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:13.919 oftentimes Charlene Christians want to talk about things because it's 254 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:17.200 harder to live in a way that would inspire change, 255 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.519 and to do that takes real effort on your part 256 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.320 to walk in a way where people come to you. 257 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:31.519 One Peter three point fifteen talks about to sanctify Jesus's 258 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.840 Lord in your heart and then to be ready and 259 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.720 willing to give a defense to those who asked about 260 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.200 the hope that lies within you? Why do they ask 261 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.320 about the hope that lies within you because they see 262 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.159 you live in a way that makes them think, Wow, 263 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.320 how did you deal with that pain or deal with 264 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.759 that struggle or trial in your life so gracefully and 265 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:58.320 with such strength. But Christians go, no, it's easier to 266 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:00.919 pin someone in a corner, to tell them how horrible 267 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:05.079 they are and how much better we are by having 268 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.599 this and those types of things. And it sets people 269 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.279 apart and makes it a big mass of you know, 270 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:13.759 Christians saying we're a have and the world is a 271 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:19.599 have not. And it it doesn't set the table for 272 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:23.359 a place of eating. It sets the table for vomiting 273 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.559 and people wanting to reject what you have to give them. 274 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.359 Yes, well, I'm not coming from a point of hate 275 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.920 this one in particular. It is my nephew, and I'm 276 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.759 wondering other than just by example, and let's say he 277 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:44.200 was to come to me. And because I believe that 278 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:49.640 the Bible says that homosexual the practice of homosexuality is wrong, 279 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.799 just like adultery or anything else. You know, it's a 280 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.880 sin against the body, like gluttony or what have you. 281 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:02.920 As you say, but they they, they, I don't think 282 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.640 that kind of lifestyle should be sanctioned. 283 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:09.680 Okay, But there's fat pastors and you don't have there 284 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:11.799 are pastors that are obese, and you don't have a 285 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.079 problem with that. There are people in the church, or 286 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:17.599 or if your nephew was was fat, would you be 287 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:18.599 making this phone call. 288 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.559 I think it's a different kind of sins. 289 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.960 But why they're spoken about, matter of fact, gluttony's spoken 290 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.160 about more than any of the other sins that you've 291 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:27.640 brought up. 292 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:30.839 Well, that's true, but that doesn't. 293 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:32.680 And it's spoken about about being an abomination. 294 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.839 Sure, But I mean, why. 295 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:41.599 Charlene, why why do you separate? Why is it different 296 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.680 to you than other sins, including the sins that you 297 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:50.079 live and experience in your own life every day, because. 298 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.359 It seems to be for example. 299 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:59.240 Oh, you're breaking up again, my dear, don't walk around 300 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:01.160 whatever you're doing, don't walk around. Are you on a 301 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:02.160 cordless phone there? 302 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:03.480 Yeah? 303 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.559 Okay, stay still. Okay, you said your nephew what. 304 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.079 He seems to think that that is a perfectly acceptable lifestyle. 305 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.240 Okay, Well, then it's not your place to change that. 306 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.119 What it is your place is to explain the gospel, 307 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.200 the beauty of the gospel. Yeah, and let God bring 308 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.039 him to any understanding that he needs specifically. But it's 309 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:30.440 that the church is so hyper focused and so honestly 310 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.880 cruel to the gay community that you can't blame the 311 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:39.480 gay community for rejecting the church patently in many cases. 312 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:44.359 And there are many lovely people in the gay community 313 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.000 that are trying to reach out to the church, and 314 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:50.160 the church keeps smacking their hands and not wanting to 315 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:53.559 engage them. And it's disgusting. It has nothing to do 316 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.720 with the gospel, has nothing to do with scripture, has nothing. 317 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:01.640 It's people putting this in above all of their sins 318 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.359 and making it different when it's not talked about that 319 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:08.759 way in scripture, and it's not segregated the way people 320 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.960 segregate it, and if they and honestly is put on 321 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.799 the same platform as gluttony. 322 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.559 Well, I disagree with. 323 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.359 You, but you're in this sense that you're disagreeing, Charlene, 324 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:26.720 You're disagreeing emotionally, not out of scripture. 325 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:32.119 No, I'm talking about for example, society, for example, gay 326 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:33.480 marriage and so forth. 327 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.039 Now wait a second, do you do you think you 328 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.720 need to speak out against two Muslims getting. 329 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:42.640 Married, two Muslims getting married. 330 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:46.160 Two Muslims getting married. Do you think you need to 331 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:48.400 speak out about two Jews getting married? 332 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:49.720 No? 333 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:51.279 What about two non believers? 334 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:53.960 No? 335 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.440 Okay, now, wait a second, But wait a second. Do 336 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:00.359 you think that the Lord condones two atheists getting married? 337 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.359 I don't know, no, because if it's if it's if 338 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:12.960 it's if it's about God sanctioning the marriage, and it's 339 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.599 not about this a civil union, which is dealing with 340 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:22.519 the state. If if gay marriage or marriage at all 341 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.799 is dealing with God, then from a religious standpoint, you 342 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:28.759 have the right to say that. But as an American, 343 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.000 because you're both, you don't have a right to place 344 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:36.839 those things on people. The Constitution governs the United States. 345 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.839 The Bible governs the Christian's heart, and there are two 346 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:43.400 separate things. Regardless of where you stand politically on this. Charlene, 347 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:44.799 and I know people are going to try and make 348 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.240 this into a political statement. It's not. This is strictly 349 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.440 a theological statement that as Christians in the United States, 350 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.039 you will be torn to sometimes allow things as an American, 351 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:00.839 because Americans have right to do that, including different religions, 352 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:05.839 different belief systems, including atheism, that you can't outlaw those 353 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.079 things anymore than you could outlaw divorce, which would be 354 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.079 where I would say to start if you were going 355 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.839 to start thrusting moral beliefs on the American society would 356 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.279 start with divorce, which is more damaging than anything else. 357 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.759 This is not a political statement. This is a theological 358 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.039 statement that Scripture says to defend those things, yes, but 359 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.640 also says to it abide by the law of the land, 360 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.279 which is the Constitution. They are two separate documents. It's 361 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:39.039 a big problem when Christians confuse the Bible with the Constitution. Frank, 362 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:40.359 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 363 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:43.240 Yeah, Jesus, how are you doing? 364 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:44.640 I am well, how can I help you? 365 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:47.759 I had a question about the UFOs and phenomenal So 366 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.559 if I hear pastors sometimes say that they believe it's 367 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:51.119 some kind. 368 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.519 Of evil empathy or something, but yet. 369 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.440 They seem to have a physical Formam, if there's some 370 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:55.839 kind of. 371 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:58.440 Craft, what do you think that is? 372 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:07.240 Okay? So you're asking specifically about UFOs. Angels are also 373 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:13.119 what are referred to as demons. Demons are or more importantly, 374 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:16.119 demons are considered to be fallen angels as well as 375 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:22.160 lucifer satan. So angels do take physical form. Now, as 376 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.000 far as UFOs, I'll tell you where a lot of 377 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.920 this comes from. So the term angel actually means messenger. 378 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:34.960 That's literally translates to messenger. And there are different you know, 379 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.319 groups that that will argue different things theologically with to 380 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.480 angels and demons and such. So, going off of the 381 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:47.519 the idea that most theologians believe that demons are angels, yes, 382 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:54.319 they could absolutely manifest physically, most certainly, and and do 383 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:58.119 in scripture at times in different ways and through possession. 384 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:03.559 So that's off the board, no problem. When it comes 385 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.160 to UFOs. The reason why some may think, well, the 386 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:13.079 UFOs are a manifestation of an evil spirit is because 387 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.559 of a few things. One, it distracts from the nature 388 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:20.039 of God. It makes people people tend to fill the 389 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:24.880 holes in their lives with false gods, you know, sex, drugs, 390 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:28.440 rock and roll, even UFOs. They start thinking, well, you 391 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:34.319 know what, everything on the earth points to transcendent points 392 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:36.880 to intelligent life, all of these things. But I don't 393 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:39.480 believe in God, so I'm going to believe that there's 394 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:42.440 extraterrestrials or I'm going to believe there's something outside here 395 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.720 that's trying to communicate All these are kind of god 396 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.559 ish God light type concepts that people try and bring 397 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:51.319 into their lives, and so that's a part of it. 398 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:55.119 The second part of it is that whenever a so 399 00:24:55.240 --> 00:25:01.680 called UFO lands and an extraterrestrial comes out and has communication, 400 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:06.559 it's always antithetical to scripture. It's always talking about some 401 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.599