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Speaker 1: Hour two of Off the Bench Live from the Mercedes
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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in hour number two. Here on
a Monday edition Off Off the Bench, Taylor Sharps sitting
in the host chair for Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
Both of them will be back tomorrow. I got a
text from MOSCOWO on Saturday saying, hey, can you host
now TV on Monday?
Speaker 5: Jake's out. I was like okay. I was like, well,
I was like, I'm good to do it.
Speaker 4: What about Matt. He's like, Matt's at the beach, apparently
laundering you that. I didn't know that, but I'm like, hey, man,
shout out, take a beach trip after as he's the
media days. I'm all about it. More power to them.
But they are apparently both back tomorrow. Jake had he
told us he had something to do with the NFL
flag football thing that's going on right now. I think
he's actually probably there right now because he said it
doesn't start till about nine thirty, so he's probably there
as we speak. Okay, look, we were we were sec
football heavy in hour number one. Then we close out
the hour wrapping up at UFC three eighteen, which was
just an electric event out there in New Orleans this weekend.
Coming up this hour Schamarsh Stewart for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Like normally we wouldn't talk a lot of Bengals on
the show, but you do have Joe Burrow, you have
Jamar Chase.
Speaker 5: It's somewhat LSU related.
Speaker 4: He did not report to camp on Saturday with the
rest of the rookies and he has he is still unsigned,
and neither side seems to be budging one bit. We'll
talk about that a little bit coming up of Ross
Jackson's going to join us at eight thirty preview some
Saints training camp.
Speaker 5: We had Nick on Friday.
Speaker 4: We wanted to have Ross today, get a little bit
different perspective, and then hour number three, Devin Snow's gonna
jump on. He was also out there at UFC three eighteen.
I'll get his thoughts on that, and then we'll close
it out like we do every day with the bench
right now, though I wanted to move it up a
little bit. It is eight o'clock, it is Monday. It
is now time for weekend winners.
Speaker 2: That's how win it has done. That's right. We can't
have anyone freak out out there.
Speaker 5: Okay, he's got a k bark. Apologer got too far.
I'm by winning. I went here and I win there.
Speaker 3: Now, what are you doing what it takes to win
a championship?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 5: Winning?
Speaker 6: Well, then I guess there's only one thing left to do.
Speaker 5: What's that.
Speaker 6: Win the whole thing?
Speaker 4: All right, weekend winners every Monday around this time, we
will let our own Alandra Villarriale go first a Landra
winner or loser.
Speaker 7: Where we got So I'll start with the weekend loser.
Speaker 5: You love, you love the weekend loser, and I respect it.
I respect it the weekend loser.
Speaker 2: I think Matt said the other day, like I don't
feel like we do losers enough, and I'm like, I
do the.
Speaker 5: You seek them out right, I do them.
Speaker 7: At least every week I have a loser.
Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes you just gotta I feel like
we need to bring back shame a little more, and
sometimes you just need to be you just need to
call people out for being a loser.
Speaker 7: And this week the weekend loser to me is Kelsey Plump.
Speaker 5: Why do you hate women? Alunda?
Speaker 2: So I hate I certainly hate women so much. I'm
a known woman hater, but I actually think Kelsey Plump
is the one that hates women.
Speaker 7: Because so, if.
Speaker 2: You missed it, the w NBA all war shirts that
said pay us with you osh I saw, which is
a whole different other beast and of itself, and I
don't know enough to talk about that. I do know
that the w NBA operates at a loss, so I'm
not really sure who owes who, but I'm also not
like an economic person. But anyways, Kelsey Plum. Back to
Kelsey Plum, there was a postgame press conference or just
a press conference where she was talking about it, and
for some reason she felt the.
Speaker 7: Need to call out Kitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: So they were talking about the shirts and how they
all had a meeting beforehand to kind of like express
solidarity or whatever, and she was like, not to tattle tell,
but zero members of Team Clark were very present for that.
Speaker 7: And I feel like I've.
Speaker 2: Seen so many different instances and where Kelsey Plum is
kind of crapping on Caitlyn Clark. And that is so
insane to me, because if there's any reason why the
WNBA owes you anything, or if there's any reason why
people even kind of pay attention to the WNBA now,
not to say that some people didn't before, but like
a lot more people pay attention to the WNBA, and
the WNBA is a topic of conversation because.
Speaker 7: Of Kitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: Soh for you to like call her out like that
and call her out all the time, it just screams
hater and it also screams just like I don't even
I don't.
Speaker 7: Know, but it's just not.
Speaker 2: It's not a good look for Kelsey Plum for her
to always, for some reason have a comment about Caitlin Clark,
which is the only reason why the WNBA is even
remotely relevant.
Speaker 4: Now, I appreciate you for bringing this up, like it
ain't just Kelsey Plumb either, like it seems like so
many people out there hate on Caitlin Clark, Like jealousy
is a bad look for you people, because.
Speaker 5: That's what this is.
Speaker 4: If you want the w if you want to be
paid what you owed, guess who's going to bring in
that revenue. Guess who's bringing in more eyeballs than anybody
else in this sport. It's Kaitlyn Clark. You don't have
to like her, but get on board with what she's doing.
She is a tantalizing, polarizing figure. She is coming in
and bringing eyeballs to the sport like never before. Like
they ESPN put out a ratings the other day and
I don't remember the numbers. I don't even know where
you're gonna find the chart, but like the numbers had
spiked incredibly high after Kaitlin Clark got into the WNBA.
Speaker 5: It's continued this year.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, if you truly want to advance the sport
of the WNBA, then you should get behind Caitlyn Clark
full force and just go ahead and make her the
face of the league. Like I don't really understand all
this jealousy, Like people are saying, oh, well, you know
you got to.
Speaker 5: Earn your keep, Like okay, what have you done? That's fine,
you want to do. You want a.
Speaker 4: WNBA championship with the aces, that's fine. I can respect that,
but like, get on board because you can't wear a
shirt that says pay us what you owe as we
deserve more, and the girl that brings in more eyeballs
than anybody else crap on in the media. You can't
do both pick one side of the fence and stay
on it, Paul with your.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well hold on. Sorry. The other thing that like
kind of bothers me about this too, is that, like.
Speaker 2: You know, at the same time, men do crap on
the WNBA all the time, and it's very easy to
make fun of women in sports, Like it really is,
Like I think we can all admit, yeah, like men
will also hate on the WNBA and from right exactly
that and also like the one thing that they'll say
a lot that I see is that like, oh, well,
women are their own worst enemy.
Speaker 7: Or whatever, and they're just like proving them right.
Speaker 2: So it just it's a bad look for Kelsey Plumb,
it's a bad look for the WNBA. And like she
really it was just a very unnecessary comment. There is
no reason to make it.
Speaker 4: Nobody asked her who had more attendance team clerk or
team call here, Like nobody nobody asked that.
Speaker 5: Like she threw that out there.
Speaker 4: And like to your point, like she kind of his
WNBA's worst enemy at this point because support us. I'm
not gonna support my fellow athletes, but we want you
to support it. So it's just it's kind of a yeah,
kind of contradictory there, Paul O'Neill, Well, we.
Speaker 5: Got we got a winner. We gotta lose where we go.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go a week in winner. This is gonna
go to former MLB pitcher Anthony Ianson.
Speaker 7: Let's okay.
Speaker 8: He was drafted in the third round, eighty seventh overall
by Muso's Boston Red Sox. Yeah, but he signed his
pro deal. He signed for one point seven to five million.
Hell yeah, his slot value for eighty seven overall was
nine hundred seven thousand, so he did sign overslot. He
was ranked third in the NCAA with in wins with
twelve and in k's with one hundred and fifty two.
So yeah, shout out to Anthony Ions and shine that
pro contract.
Speaker 7: Let's go love to see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out to Anthony Ions and left the heartfelt
letter t l issume like that's just class act all
the way around.
Speaker 5: We knew that, like you you had heard any interview.
Speaker 4: With him throughout the season, Like you you knew how
classy of a guy. Anthony Iinson is like, congratulations to him,
a guy that for whatever reason was under the radar,
like if Kate Anderson is not on LSU's team, like
Anthony Iinson is probably first second team All American like
somewhere in there just underlooked because he wasn't your Friday guy.
But like I always made the point throughout the season,
like to me, it's one A, one B like LSU
has two aces at this point Friday Saturday. Yeah, I
don't care, like they can both get it done. But
shout out to Anthony Iinson. My first weekend winner is
going to be Scotty Scheffler. So I had to come
to take it or leave it with Beck on Thursday
because Hunt had to roll. They had an early flight
to get back to bed Rouge, and he said, Taylor's
gonna watch any of the Open, take it or leave it.
Speaker 5: I left it. Well, turns out I was wrong.
Speaker 4: I said down and watch the entire final round yesterday
because I wanted to see Scotty Scheffler.
Speaker 5: And Scotty Scheffler dominated.
Speaker 4: He finished seventeen under par throughout the whole four day tournament.
He wins the Open it is his fourth major championship.
He's won the Masters twice, he won the PGA Championship,
now he has the Open.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 4: I like a good sports fun fact and I saw
this yesterday. It was a graphic making the rounds. Everyone's
going to compare Scotty Scheffer to Tiger Woods, right, wrong
or indifferent? If I'm Scotty, I love the comparison. I
know a lot of people say, oh, why do we
I have to compare a guy to guy Tiger Woods
between his first major win and his fourth major win.
Speaker 5: So one to four. It was a total of ninety
seven days.
Speaker 4: Yesterday mark the one ninety seven day for Scotty Scheffer
between his first Master and his fourth. The comparisons are
going to stay there. Scotti Schefler the most dominant player
in the sport. And like it's weird, you know he
he's a guy that doesn't show a ton of emotion. However,
I loved the emotion he showed yesterday after winning the Open,
he threw his hat up in the air. His little
boy came and ran out with him. He paraded him
around the eighteenth Green holding up the trophy, like we
need more of that. But Scotti Scheffer's almost a boring
golfer because he makes it look so easy, Like you
expect this from Scotty Scheffer, Like he hit it into
the Ralph yesterday. I'm watching and everybody on TV he's like, huh,
there's actually nothing the better of a shot for Scotty
like anybody else. Yeah, and then what does Scotty do?
He hits the ball up with his six iron about
fifteen feet from the hole, Like that's just what Scotty
Scheffler does. Even when he gets in the jam, he
knows how to get out of it. He is playing
at a level we haven't seen in a long time.
Weekend Winter, Scottie Scheffer or anybody else got anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know we talked about it last hour,
but Dustin Poorier, even though he lost that fight, has
to be a weekend winner just based off of like
his send off, it was incredible. So shout out Dustin,
Shout out UFC three eighteen, Shout out to the UFC. Like,
I know, it's a very niche sport and not a
lot of people like it. I didn't really realize that
until this weekend because, like y'all know that, I've always
really really enjoyed it. But UFC is freaking fun and amazing.
Speaker 5: It's so weird.
Speaker 4: Like I agree with you on given Dustin Poie a
weekend winner, but like, yeah, you always have to give
one to Halloween as well, not because of the fight win,
but because going into it like this was all about Dustin.
Speaker 5: Poitier is respectful retirement tour.
Speaker 4: He was so respectful, but also like so many people
were like, oh, Dustin's gonna win this fight, like it's
it's set in stone, like this is his like he
was Halloway goes in wins, doesn't brag about it. I
mentioned earlier, like chatting with chatting with Poorier after the fight,
Like as much as you wanted that big fight win
to be about you, he still made the moment about
Dustin Pourrier. Like weekend winner for me has to be
mister Max Holloway.
Speaker 5: Paul, I want to.
Speaker 4: Ask you this, This has nothing to do with Weekend Winner,
but you mentioned the Boston Red Sox, and this is
something I've thought about a lot. So many people say
the New York Yankees have so many Bandwagon fans, so
I can't be a bandwagon fan. However, I think I
know more Red Sox fans than any other fan base
in the Major League, and the reason is, oh, well,
they're not the New York Yankees. So like so many
people are jumping on the Red Sox bandwagon because they
don't want to be the Yankees. But like, I know,
more just random Red Sox fans than anything I can.
Speaker 8: See that I think. I think I personally still still
no more Yankee fans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I only know two Yankees fans. They
both were Andre and Moscono. If that's it is he,
I don't know, your brother. Shout out to mister O'Neal.
Speaker 7: No, no shout out.
Speaker 4: But it's just weird, Like, I just I see that
a lot, Like people like the Yankees have so many
bandwagon fans. I'm like, but aren't you kind of doing
the same thing just despite the Yankees? Yeah, I just
I just I see that a lot. Everybody I went
to high school with, we're like, why are you.
Speaker 5: A Yankees fan?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean they're the they're the I mean, why
are you Red Sox fan? Well, they're they're the Yankees'
biggest rye. Okay, So didn't you kind of just do
the same thing that.
Speaker 5: You cas just something I've always thought about. I'm not
not accusing anybody of anything.
Speaker 4: Just something i've noticed from afar. Okay, one more weekend
winner from me com Canipple of the NBA. They're there
in the summer league. He took the Hornets to their
first Summer League title, and uh, he's been dominant. He
got drafted fourth overall, and there were a lot of
people right after the NBA draft that were like, that
is way too high for Kankinill. He's more of an eight, nine,
ten draft pick. You dropped them at four overall. He
has looked like a stud so far. I understand that
it's summer league, the competition is gonna be better, But
right now that investment by the Charlotte Hornet certainly seems
to be paying off. Conkinable looks like a stud.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 4: If Nobes someybody else have a weekn winner losing, all right,
well we're gonna take a time out and we get back.
Schamar Stewart Cincinnati Bengals. They were in a contract.
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Speaker 1: From the locker room to the Airwaves, gets Off the
Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 5: Now welcome back in hour number two.
Speaker 4: Here on a Monday edition of Off the Bench, Taylor
Sharp sitting in for Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn. We
got a Landevilla Reale and Paul o'neola along for the
ride as well. Okay, rookie mini or training camp for
most NFL teams starting up this week. The New Orleans
Saints will be on Wednesday, and to open show, I
mentioned Tyler Shock was the last remaining second round pick
that wanted guaranteed money to get that guaranteed contract at
forty overall.
Speaker 5: He got it. He's going to.
Speaker 4: Report to training camp. Everything fine and dandy on the
Black and Gold front. Well, one first round pick is
still unsigned, and that is Cincinnati Bengals rookie defensive lineman
Shamar Stewart.
Speaker 5: He's unsigned. All the Bengals rookies.
Speaker 4: Reported to training camp on Saturday, Chamar Stewart was not
in that number due to an ongoing dispute.
Speaker 5: So what it is is.
Speaker 4: It's a contract dispute, but it's not over money. So
the rookie wage Scial was implemented in twenty eleven. Stuart's
fully guaranteed contract would be four years, worth a round
eighteen point nine million and about a ten point four
million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 5: Like that's that's set in stone.
Speaker 4: That's not really something you negotiate a ton of one
way or the other. Now you could turn something into
your signing bonus, have more upfront on the back end,
But as far as like number, that's pretty much set
in stone. The disagreement is over language in Stuart's contract.
So what it would do is trigger the voiding of
his salary guarantees with a breach or a default in
the contract on the part of Stuart. It says the
Bengals want to tighten up the language to remove any
ambiguity over whether all remaining guarantees in the contract void
with a default.
Speaker 5: Now you can kind of see both sides of this.
Speaker 4: Stuart's camp wants similar language to what Amarius memes the
first round tackle that the Bengals took last year. What
was in his deal. He was actually selected one spot
after Stuart Stewart selected seventeen this year. Mems selected eighteen
a year ago. Now, there's not a ton of detail
on like what the defaults or what the contract breaches
would be on Stuart's part to consider voiding all the
guaranteed money. Look, you can look at it from both sides.
Let's pick on Stuart.
Speaker 5: First and then we'll pick on the bingles.
Speaker 4: If you're Stuart and you aren't planning on breaching anything,
not a ton to worry about with the language.
Speaker 5: Now, I get it.
Speaker 4: You want your contract a certain way, you feel you
have earned it. I can respect that to me, not
just Stuart on the part of the Cincinnati Bengals. So
this is an ego issue for both sides. If you're Stuart,
you're like, hey, I want what everybody else got. Why
are you singling me out? If you're the Bengals, it's hey,
we're paying you close to eighteen million dollars on your
rookie contract.
Speaker 5: You take what we give you.
Speaker 4: I can see both sides, but it's not about money.
Speaker 5: Can both sides just get over it?
Speaker 4: You find some sort of common ground, Like reports now
are that the Bengals are not budging and Jamar Stewart's
not budget and there is a certain date in twenty
twenty five that if you're not signed, it's sometime in December,
you could like potentially apply for some sort of waiver
and like re enter the twenty twenty six NFL draft,
So like that's possibly an option.
Speaker 5: I personally don't think he gets there. There's a reason
we haven't seen that.
Speaker 4: And then you know, there was a report last week
saying Shamar Stewart he's practicing with Texas A and m like,
is he is he going to try to sue the NCAAA,
And I mean, we know that if you sue the NCAAA,
now you're going to win. Judges hate the NCAAA, and
they were like, oh, if you sue the NCAAA, you
could potentially go back get your final year of eligibility back. Well,
Mike Yelko came out last week and kind of squashed
that notion. He was like, look, he's at our team facility,
using our facility to work out in the offseason. He's
not practicing with the team, he's not doing conditioning with
the team. He's doing his own stuff at our facility. Shocker,
Shamar Stewart's not going back to school. I thought that
was kind of a load of crap when we first
heard it. To me, though, Bingles Stewart, this says a
lot about both sides. The Bengals are terrible at contract negotiations.
For example, Demetrius Knight, a fourth round picked this year
for the Bengals, also still unsigned. You have yet to
resign Trey Hendrickson to a long term extension. He wants
the money. He thinks he's a you've done next to
nothing to get that contract done. And also maybe they
believe there's a reason to be extra cautious with Stuart,
which kind of says a lot about him as well.
Like Chamar Stewart, in my opinion, was a bad pick anyways.
You drafted a guy eighteenth overall based purely on potential.
It wasn't based on hon Field production. In his three
year career at Texas A and m Shamar Stewart sixty
five tackles, twelve tackles were lost, four and a half sacks.
He had four and a half sacks in three years
and went seventeenth overall. Now I get it he's a
little bit more of a run stuffer, but I mean
the production just really wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't what she wanted it to be.
Speaker 4: Not a guy playing big time college football who's going
to get drafted in the first round. Stuart will sign
at some point because I don't think he has a
choice again. He can sit out and try again next year.
I don't think he does that. I don't know if
the Bengals fold Like I would like to say they
come to some sort of common ground, But again, the
Bengals are so bad at contract discussions and to gociations
that I don't know if the Cincinnati Bengals are gonna
budge on this. Reports are right now that they're not.
But how many time do you see reports this is
this team's hard number. They're not giving a player of
pennymore and then like two days later they give them
like a record breaking contract. That happens all the time.
My advice for the Bengals, though, like, work on this
when you can. You gotta worry about Trey Hendrickson. Two,
you gotta re sign this guy. Trey Hendrickson was the
NFL sack leader this year twenty twenty four seventeen and
a half sacks. Oh you want to know what he
did in twenty twenty three, also seventeen and a half sacks.
Since he's been in Cincinnati fourteen eight, seventeen and a half,
seventeen and a half.
Speaker 5: That's many sacks he's had per season.
Speaker 4: So one season with less than double digits, then he's
had fourteen seventeen and a half twice. The guy's is
stud he is a top five pass rusher in this league.
Speaker 5: Pay it.
Speaker 4: You just saw TJ. Watt get a huge number. Miles
Garrett got a big number. Like all of these guys
are signing big time contracts. Don't let Tree Henderson walk
out the door. You've already moved on from a number
of defensive guys.
Speaker 5: You should not.
Speaker 4: You had one of the worst defenses in the NFL.
Like according to prof Football Reference, your defense was ring
twenty fifth in the NFL last year out of thirty
two teams. Case you're wondering that ain't good. Like how
much money did the Bengals have left? Like that's a question.
A lot of people ask, what's your fault for signing
T Higgins? Like, I love T Higgins. I think he's
agree receiver. Sending him to a deal that big was
a bad move in my opinion.
Speaker 5: I get that.
Speaker 4: Your starting quarterback comes out, and when Joe Burrow says, hey,
you have to resign T Higgins, the team feels like
they need to. However, like I get it, Joe wants
the weapons to play with on offense. You got to
show up that defense. Offense wasn't your problem. My year ago,
Burrow put up huge numbers. Jamar Chase is if not
the best, then no less than the second best wide
receiver in the NFL. Your running game is solid, it's
fine with Chase Brown and Zach Moss. Your offensive line's
actually getting a little bit better. That's not saying much,
but it's getting better. You have to shore up the
defense because there were a lot of times last year
the Bengals had put up thirty five, thirty eight points
and looking for one stop on defense to potentially win
a game, and they couldn't get it, and that's why
they've missed the playoffs two years in a row. You
can't have that happen. You have to re sign Trey Hendrickson.
You ultimately got to get Stuart done as well. But
I want to blame Stuart. I want to be the
guy to be like, he's getting eighteen million dollars guarantee.
You just signed the contract to move on if you're
not worried about breaching the contract and the language shouldn't matter.
But at the same time, the Cincinnati Bengals have a
terrible track record when it comes to contract negotiations. Stuart's unsigned,
Dimitri's Knights, unsigned, Trey Hendrickson's unsigned, not only as Trey
Hendrickson unsigned. Like all reports come out there, like you
offered him a deal a long time ago, and like
you refuse to negotiate, Like you're the Bengals. It's not
like you're the Kansas ay Chiefs and people are going
there to win a Super Bowl. You need all the
help you can get. You're not one of the premier
franchises in the NFL. You're not a destination spot right now.
You're lucky you got Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. They're
keeping you about as relevant as you can be. Get
it together, Bengals, Get it together, Shimar Stewart, Get this done.
Like you're you're the final first round camp hold out. Like,
get it done. It's better for both sides if you
get this done. Put your egos inside for a minute.
Get the contract done.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 4: Look, we're going to take a quick time out. We
get back. We're talking about NFL next. We're going back
to the New Orleans Saints. I got Ross Jackson have
locked on Saints and louisianasports dot Net. He's gonna hop
on whether it's get a little training camp preview. That's
coming up next. You're on off the bench.
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Speaker 1: From players to legends, Hester and Flynn breakdown LSU football
like only champions can.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in out number two. Here on
a Monday edition of Off the Bench. We're about halfway
through our Monday show. We have hit a ton of
topics so far. In just a few minutes, we're gonna
go out to the Ralse Jackson. He's running a little
bit behind. Just got the text from him, so we'll
catch up with him in about two minutes. But look
Saints training camp coming up. On Wednesday, reopened the show
talking about Tyler Shuck. He got the fully guaranteed contract
that a lot of these guys drafted high in the
second round wanted. It'll be interesting to see the quarterback
bat like, okay, hand up. All things equal, I would
prefer the coaching staff go with Tyler Shuck. He's a
guy that has the potential. They drafted him for a reason.
But look the two guys that normally sit here. They've
hyped up Spencer Rattler a lot in the coming weeks.
Like my take on Spencer Rattler, he was thrown into
a really bad situation last year. It was a makeshift
offensive line. You had no weapons or receiver. Everything was
kind of all over the place. But at the same time,
I think there were plays that Spencer Rattler made. I'm like,
you can't make that through, And I get it. You're
trying to make a play. You're trying to show what
you can do as a rookie. But what I saw
from Spencer Rattler was Oklahoma Spencer Rattler, which got him bitched.
Now again, he was a rookie, he was thrown into
the fire. He probably didn't expect to play much at
all last season as a rookie. But look, it kind
of is what it is at this point. I obviously
want whoever to win this job earned it. That's why
I was talking at the beginning of the show, like
it's important to have shocked just because like, sure, Spencer
Utler may want to be in a great quarterback, but
you don't want to give somebody the starting quarterback job
by default because the other guy wasn't there. You want
these guys battling and scratching and clawing for every single
thing and ultimately let the best man win the job.
Like that's where we're at right now with Saints training camp.
Like quarterback battle's gonna dominate the headlines. There's a lot
of other spots you gotta worry about as well, Like
get everybody in the building ready to go for training camp.
Speaking of training camp, we're gonna go out to the
phone lines right now, our guy Ross Jackson but locked
on Saints and writes for our website Louisianasports dot Net.
Speaker 5: Ross, how are you this.
Speaker 6: Morning, hey man?
Speaker 3: Doing great, doing great?
Speaker 6: Thanks much for having me, Thanks for your patience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for kind of shifting things around. I
know it's a busy morning for you, because well it's
a busy week for the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 5: Hrel's training camp coming up.
Speaker 4: Look, I was just talking before you hopped on Tyler
Shuck now on board the contract situation in the past.
How do you see this quarterback battle shaken out, You
got Rattler, you got Shuck all training camp Loan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think that it's going to be a
very good quarterback battle. I think both these quarterbacks performed
well throughout OTAs in mini caamp, with since Ratler maybe
having the slight edge as a guy that came in
with a little bit more experience, more rhythm to his game,
all those other things. Right, He's seen the NFL game
in the NFL speed already for a few games, and
so I think all of that kind of goes in
the credit of Spencer Rattler. But look, I think Ultimately,
this is a little bit of a little bit more
of an uphill battle for Spencer Rattler than it is
anything else because of the investment in Tyler Shock and Ahny.
We talked about the contract, right, like, the guaranteed contract
is really a conversation of like eight percent. He was
either going to get one hundred percent guaranteed deal or
he's going to get like a ninety something percent guaranteed deal.
And so it's not that huge of a difference in
terms of what happened versus what could have happened otherwise
when it comes to that contract. But I do think
that like being drafted number forty overall, being the highest
quarterback draft pick in New Orleans in the NFL draft proper,
not including the supplemental draft since nineteen seventy one, and
if you do include the UMETL draft, okay, then since
the nineteen eighties, and he's you know, kind of being
called Kellen Moore's guy. It sounds like he was kind
of Kellen Moore that identified that this was the quarterback
that he liked. And so I think, like, with all
that in mind, in this idea of kind of turning
the page and shifting to the new regime and shifting
to kind of the new era of New Orleans. I'm
it's going to be hard to kind of outplay that
idea of making that full shift, and so I think
it's a tough battle for both these guys because they
both have to prove it. And I think that whoever
ends about their Week one undoubtedly earned the opportunity to
be out there week one. But it wouldn't be surprised
if throughout the twenty twenty five season we end up
seeing both of these quarterbacks for some amount of time.
Speaker 5: Rossa.
Speaker 4: All the talk obviously is going to be around the
quarterback battle because it's the position with the most eye
balls on a ride. But as far as the guys
protecting them, the Saints offensive line, we know what it's
been in the last couple of years. It's it's been
pretty makeshift. But you dropped Calvin Banks in the first round.
You you're trying to improve that maybe going into training camp.
What is your level of optimism for this group?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it's funny. I think that the offensive line
is both the source of optimism and anxiety for a
lot of day right, you know, it kind of kind
of bridges the gap between both of those things because
of what's happened in the past, and in particular, you
know the injuries and kind of drop off from the
starter unit to the backup unit. And look, there's a
reason why players are starters and there's a reason why
players are backup. There's always going to be some level
drop off. But when you got to the point last year,
I'm sure you were signing guys on Tuesday to play
on Sunday. It was a little tough, right, And so
I think that Fort New Orleans really this one, like
the sign of optimism around all of it is that
I thinks have kind of reshuffled things around, but are
still returning four of their five starters from last year,
even though two were going to be starting in different places.
It feels like there's still a level of continuity there.
They get a top ten tackle selection, that was the
Outland Trophy winner, that was the Lombardi Award winner, that
was a consensus Ald American and Kelsen Banks Junior. Like,
there's good talent and a lot of investment there, first
or second round picks all the way across the offensive line.
But I think that the real source of optimism for
this offensive line are the veteran depth pieces that were
added this offseason, Dylan Raident's Will Clapp junior Will Clap
coming back. I think that both of those guys give
you a better kind of emergency turn two should you
need to. If there be any injury on the offensive line,
then where the Saints were last year, they could continue
to build that up. Layel Collins was on this very
station talk about how he's had conversations with Kellen Moore
and so we'll see what happens there. But I think
that really the big thing is the amount of investment
that was in there. And this was a team that
is showing again that it would rather build from the
inside out. But I feel like they were really successful
at doing this offseason.
Speaker 4: Ross one more on the offensive side of the ball
before we switch to defense. R Elsea Jackson locked on Saints.
What he's saying a sports a dot net joining us
right now. Look as far as the receiver position, like
your frontline guys, like you know, everybody's like, oh you
need more help. Like these guys may not be elite,
but you know what they are, like a lave Shaheed Cooks.
If they can stay healthy, like, they'll be fine. I
want to know like the depth behind them, Like is
there a guy that you think maybe steps up behind
those three?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm really curious about Cedric Wilson Junior. This year,
the last time that he was in a Kellen Moore
offense was his best season, over six hundred receiving yards
during that time. Took a lot of his snaps from
the slot, which I think could help elevate the speed
of guys like Chris olave Rashi Jhaheid and Brandon Cook's
getting to work a little bit more on the outside,
so I'm sure they'll also take snaps in the slot.
You got a little bit of an interchangeable, versatile room here,
but I think Cedric Wilson Junior would be somebody that
could contribute there pretty well. Good blocker as well, kind
of helps you expand your offensive line when he's in
the slot. I think Donovan Peoples shown this is another
one that I would absolutely watch, and he's been away
from the game, but he was super impressive during OTA's
mini camp. All that and again, a really really solid
blocker can contribute in the run game. I think the
run game is going to carry is going to be
the big focus on this offense because I don't think
you're going to put that much pressure on either one
of these quarterbacks to go out there and you be
the big focus of the offense. I think the run
game is going to be a big part of that,
and so I think you're looking at who can contribute
in that area of the game. I think bub Memes
kind of blends the kind of bridges the gap between
the guys that can be physical but that also have
top end speed like Chris Alavey, reci To Heat and
Brandon Cooks, and so I think those six guys make
a lot of sense to me. But players like Mason
Tipton and Dante Pettis also make a lot of sense.
Kevin Austin Junior was in this offense.
Speaker 7: They've got a couple of.
Speaker 6: Undrafted free agent guys as well, so they have a
lot of ops and to look at at the position.
But I think when you have your top three guys
being those speed threat guys, those deep threat guys, I
think finding the other filling out the room with the
other physical players I think makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: Shifting over to the defensive side of the ball. Real quick.
Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, the cornerback position is one that everybody's watching.
There's a lot of uncertainty there. And then you you've
heard all all season long, like the name of Sante
Samuel Junior keeps popping up, like is there any sort
of update on him? And if the Saints can't land him,
what does that room look like without it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't necessarily have an update on him, and
we haven't really heard any things about him, but we
do know that, you know, there are a lot of
teams that are interested that at least have shown some
interest and everything, and the you know, Miami Dolphins feel
like a pretty natural spot after having traded away Jalen Ramsey,
even though a Sante Samuel Junior's dad, a Sante Sanuel Senior,
kind of you know, laid in about, you know, the
Dolphins organization and everything like that. So we'll see where
things go. But I think even if they don't land
a Sante Daniel Junior, that the Saints are in a
pretty good place when it comes to their cornerback room.
It's just a little unproven, right. It's a lot of
young players, and so I think you'd be looking at
Kulaid mcintry and Alonte Taylor as your locks. They're probably
you're starting to on the outside when they're in base sets,
so when there's only two cornerbacks on the field, but
then when they shift to those nickel sets where you
get a third corner on the field, then I think
Alonta Taylor moves into the slot. And then the conversation
becomes between Quincy Riley, who was drafted this year out
of Louisville, who's got that ballwalking, turnover production type of resume,
and then Isaac Gadam, who was outstanding with New Orleans
the last and then he was here in twenty twenty three.
That the conversation comes becomes between those two guys, but
who plays opposite Kulaid mcintry on the outside. And then
I think Rico Payton is the guy to keep an
eye out on because he makes the roster somebody that
has both a really strong, you know history already with
New Orleans both in defensive production during his preseason last year,
but also is one of your top gunners on spec
teams as a punt gunner, and that's an important metric
or important you know spot to fill opposite J. T. Gray,
and so I think maybe those five guys, and honestly,
I think if you sign a Sante Sine junior, then
you just end up keeping six corners in that way,
because I don't think as Sante Segni Junior necessarily leaps
any of those five guys in terms of they're the
way that they contribute, but I think could be additive
to them and certainly would be a good, you know,
depth piece to have behind Alante Taylor in that star role,
which is going to kind of elevate his kind of
disruptive game style play style on the inside when he's
in the slot under Brandon Staley and Sante sem Juni
has played that position before, so I think that's probably
where he would most immediately fit in, though of course
he could if signed, earn a much larger role than
that as well.
Speaker 4: Ross Obviously, you know, we started this interview talking Tyler
Shock Spencer Rattler, So as far as rookies go, like, yes,
Shuck's going to have the spotlight on him, but outside
of Tyler Shock, maybe like another rookie the Saints brought in,
and it could be a draft it could be an
undrafted guy like is there a rookie you're keeping an
eye on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Kelvin Banks Junior should should be brought
up in this conversation. For certain, He's a rookie starter
at left tackle, which depending upon who you ask, is
the second most important position in football, as the blind
side protector for either of these quarterbacks unless one hundred
Deckers is playing, then all of a sudden, you know,
it becomes the outisite side is the left handed guy,
but under the under the circumstances of who's the most
likely to be the starting quarterback for Neil Orleans, Yeah,
I think Kelvin Banks Junior is the guy that kind
of gets the focal point outside of Tyler Shuck. I
think the other guy to keep an eye out on, though,
that's going to be really interesting, is Danny Stutsman, linebacker
coming out of Oklahoma, one of the best rated linebackers
in this year's draft bass off ball linebackers in this
year's raft class, and comes in and is able to
maybe earn that kind of third linebacker role, although I
think the fi suol is going to be really hard
to push out of that area. But then what happens
if he hits the field at some point because of
you know, injury or somebody's got to tie a shoe
or something like that. How hard is it going to
be to keep him off the field. He's a great leader,
very vocal guy, very active and athletic player, confrons of
so Al America and all these other pieces. Like, I
think he's probably one of those one of the most
interesting additional players to watch that maybe won't step into
a starting role week one because there's only gonna be
two off ball linebacker spots of this defense to start,
but throughout the season, I think the spotlight will just
grow brighter and brighter on him as a potential future
piece to this you know, starting linebacker room.
Speaker 4: Before you, Jenna here, let me ask you about one
more rookie. I'm glad you brought up Danny Stutzman, Like
he's a guy that I'm certainly keeping my eye on. Look,
you bring in Justin Reid in the offseason. You already
have Tyron there, you already have Jordan Holden there. But
like I keep hearing so much about Jonah Sanker and
his potential, Like, what do you what do you like
about Sanker? You think he has a legitimate role on
this team this season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he could because of the fact that
he can play in so many different areas and that
you can deploy him in so many different ways. He
can play in the slot, he can play deep, he
can play down in the box, he can the middle
of the field. There's so many different things that you
can do with him, So he becomes this really interesting
kind of, you know, defensive chess piece in a way.
I don't want to compare him to tast them hill,
but like there's such an urge to do that because
you could just kind of move him around and use
him in three or four different places. But I think
that because of that, where he becomes most helpful and
where he kind of earns his role probably from the
beginning is dime packages. Being able to get him out
on the field when you need six Dyv's defensive back,
and of course when there is an injury, and so
the opportunity to be able to kind of plug and
play him anywhere, I think is what makes him so valuable.
And then he'll grow into probably a more focus role
after that. But I think he was such a smart
investment by this New Orleans Saints defense this New Orleans
Saints team, just knowing their history and knowing that, like
there's players at those positions that might not be on
the roster next year, and so you get a guy
that can plug into a bunch of different places. I
think there's real value there.
Speaker 4: We're also Jackson locked on saying you can catch the
stuff there. Also read his articles at Louisiana Sports dot
Need does a great job in both spots.
Speaker 5: Ross, thanks so much for hopping on with me today.
Speaker 6: Thank you boy, thanks for having me. You'll take care.
I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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busy man this week at Saints training camp does start
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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in final segment here and nowur
number two, a Monday edition of Off the Bench. Taylors
are sitting in for Jacob Estor and Matt Flynn. They
will both be back tomorrow. Obviously they had been in
studio for a while. We'll see if they remember how
to get here. They were out in Atlanta all week long,
Monday through Thursday, in the day off on Friday, and
then they are off again today, but they will be
back for the remainder of the week.
Speaker 5: But I'm here with you.
Speaker 4: For about another hour or so. We got a Laundervilla real.
We got Paul O'Neill in as well. Thanks so much
for Ralter Jackson's time Locked on Saints louisinosports dot Net
just hopped on with us break down all things New
Orleans Saints training camp. I was gonna hit something regarding
Ella's shoe here. I want to spend a little bit
more time on it, so we're gonna push that to
probably nine thirty. Also, I saw a comment in the
YouTube chat when me and Ross were talking about Tyler Shock,
and I knew it was coming because it happens every
time you talk about Tyler Shock's success his last year
in college. Well, it's easy for Tyler Shock to have
success in college. He's twenty five years old playing against
nineteen and twenty year olds. That is just such a
bad argument. First off, you're a grown man when you
are twenty years old. Being twenty five playing against twenty
year olds is a lot different than being eighteen nineteen
in high school playing against fourteen year olds. Let's get
that out of the way right now. Like we pick
and choose so much about who we're going to throw
that out there, Like, okay, you remember back in twenty
twenty three, Jaden Daniels Bownix, they were battling for the
Heisman all year long. Michael pennocks in there as well,
what did you hear? Oh, Man, bo Nicks is old,
he's been in college forever, Like, of course he's gonna
be good.
Speaker 5: How can you get him the Heisman trophy?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 4: Michael Pennock has been in college forever. How can you
give him a Heisman trophy? Like I love Jaydon Daniels.
I'm as big of an LSU fans as I am,
but like I can also kind of see the hypocrisy
go on that. Like just checked, Bonicks is eight months
older than Jayden Daniels. They're essentially the same age. Michael
Pinnock's same age as.
Speaker 5: Both of them.
Speaker 4: Like nobody said it about Jayden. You're gonna bring it
up about Tyler Shuck Bownicks and all that. Like that's
that's where you lose me, because I don't think it matters.
Like most of the quarterbacks in college have success their
fifth year Dylan Gabriel just let Oklahoma of Organs of
the number one ranking and the number one seed in
the College Football Playoff. He was a fifth year guy.
Joe Burrow came here, he broke all kinds of records.
He was a fifth year guy. Jayden was a fifth
year guy. His Heisman season. I just mentioned Bonicks, Michael Penix.
They were first round picks, like they were fifty year guys.
Like it doesn't matter, Like I get it. You can
go look and be like, Tyler Schuck had seven years
of college football, eh, I mean he played thirty games
in eighteen. I mean he was hurt and you can say, oh,
he had one really good year. Maybe we we really
don't know. The only other extended action we saw from
Tyler Schuck was twenty twenty when he was at at
Oregon his second year in school. Fifteen hundred yards, thirteen touchdowns,
six interceptions. After that he played and that was seven games.
He played four games, got injured, six touchdowns, three picks,
seven games, got injured, four games again, got injured.
Speaker 5: We really don't know. So all this talk about oh.
Speaker 4: Well Pinix, I mean, Tyler Schuck's twenty five years old,
of course he's gonna be Good's to say he wasn't
gonna be good. Everything else like sixty two twenty three touchdown,
six picks, that's a fishing, but like, take the h
thing out of it.
Speaker 5: First, he's a quarterback. It doesn't really matter how old
he is.
Speaker 4: They played till they're forty and secondly, like, y, let's
be fair across the board, like get behind Tyler shuck,
don't constantly tear him down and be like, oh, he's
twenty five, played against.
Speaker 5: Twenty year olds.
Speaker 4: You're a grown man when you're twenty years old, Like literally,
legally you were an adult when you were twenty years old.
Get out of here. That that's an argument that I've
always hated. All right, coming up an hour number three,
straight up, nine o'clock. We're gonna be joined by Devin
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and maybe preview a little bit of Saints training camp.
We still got a lot of LSU football talk left,
and we're gonna close this thing out like we do
every day, with a little bit of ass the bench again,
this hour very Saints heavy, even talk from Cincinnati Bengals.
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