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Speaker 1: All start Toyota presents Off the Bench with Jacob Hester

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Well the plays get broken down and science gets denied.

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Speaker 3: I got to come off the bench.

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Speaker 1: Hour two of Off the Bench Live from the Mercedes

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Bend so Baton Rouge Studio starts now.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in hour number two. Here on

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a Monday edition Off Off the Bench, Taylor Sharps sitting

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in the host chair for Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.

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Both of them will be back tomorrow. I got a

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text from MOSCOWO on Saturday saying, hey, can you host

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now TV on Monday?

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Speaker 5: Jake's out. I was like okay. I was like, well,

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I was like, I'm good to do it.

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Speaker 4: What about Matt. He's like, Matt's at the beach, apparently

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laundering you that. I didn't know that, but I'm like, hey, man,

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shout out, take a beach trip after as he's the

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media days. I'm all about it. More power to them.

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But they are apparently both back tomorrow. Jake had he

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told us he had something to do with the NFL

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flag football thing that's going on right now. I think

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he's actually probably there right now because he said it

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doesn't start till about nine thirty, so he's probably there

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as we speak. Okay, look, we were we were sec

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football heavy in hour number one. Then we close out

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the hour wrapping up at UFC three eighteen, which was

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just an electric event out there in New Orleans this weekend.

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Like normally we wouldn't talk a lot of Bengals on

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the show, but you do have Joe Burrow, you have

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Speaker 5: It's somewhat LSU related.

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Speaker 4: He did not report to camp on Saturday with the

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rest of the rookies and he has he is still unsigned,

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and neither side seems to be budging one bit. We'll

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talk about that a little bit coming up of Ross

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Saints training camp.

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Speaker 5: We had Nick on Friday.

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Speaker 4: We wanted to have Ross today, get a little bit

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different perspective, and then hour number three, Devin Snow's gonna

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jump on. He was also out there at UFC three eighteen.

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I'll get his thoughts on that, and then we'll close

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it out like we do every day with the bench

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right now, though I wanted to move it up a

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little bit. It is eight o'clock, it is Monday. It

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is now time for weekend winners.

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Speaker 2: That's how win it has done. That's right. We can't

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have anyone freak out out there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, he's got a k bark. Apologer got too far.

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I'm by winning. I went here and I win there.

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Speaker 3: Now, what are you doing what it takes to win

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a championship?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Winning?

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Speaker 6: Well, then I guess there's only one thing left to do.

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Speaker 5: What's that.

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Speaker 6: Win the whole thing?

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Speaker 4: All right, weekend winners every Monday around this time, we

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will let our own Alandra Villarriale go first a Landra

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winner or loser.

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Speaker 7: Where we got So I'll start with the weekend loser.

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Speaker 5: You love, you love the weekend loser, and I respect it.

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I respect it the weekend loser.

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Speaker 2: I think Matt said the other day, like I don't

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feel like we do losers enough, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 5: You seek them out right, I do them.

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Speaker 7: At least every week I have a loser.

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Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes you just gotta I feel like

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sometimes you just need to be you just need to

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call people out for being a loser.

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Speaker 7: And this week the weekend loser to me is Kelsey Plump.

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Speaker 5: Why do you hate women? Alunda?

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Speaker 2: So I hate I certainly hate women so much. I'm

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a known woman hater, but I actually think Kelsey Plump

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is the one that hates women.

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Speaker 7: Because so, if.

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said pay us with you osh I saw, which is

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Speaker 7: Need to call out Kitlyn Clark.

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Speaker 2: So they were talking about the shirts and how they

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solidarity or whatever, and she was like, not to tattle tell,

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Speaker 7: And I feel like I've.

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Speaker 2: Seen so many different instances and where Kelsey Plum is

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kind of crapping on Caitlyn Clark. And that is so

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insane to me, because if there's any reason why the

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Speaker 7: Of Kitlyn Clark.

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Speaker 2: Soh for you to like call her out like that

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hater and it also screams just like I don't even

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Speaker 7: Know, but it's just not.

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Speaker 2: It's not a good look for Kelsey Plum for her

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to always, for some reason have a comment about Caitlin Clark,

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which is the only reason why the WNBA is even

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remotely relevant.

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Speaker 4: Now, I appreciate you for bringing this up, like it

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ain't just Kelsey Plumb either, like it seems like so

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many people out there hate on Caitlin Clark, Like jealousy

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is a bad look for you people, because.

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Speaker 5: That's what this is.

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Speaker 4: If you want the w if you want to be

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paid what you owed, guess who's going to bring in

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that revenue. Guess who's bringing in more eyeballs than anybody

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else in this sport. It's Kaitlyn Clark. You don't have

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and bringing eyeballs to the sport like never before. Like

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spiked incredibly high after Kaitlin Clark got into the WNBA.

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Speaker 5: It's continued this year.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, if you truly want to advance the sport

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of the WNBA, then you should get behind Caitlyn Clark

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full force and just go ahead and make her the

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face of the league. Like I don't really understand all

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this jealousy, Like people are saying, oh, well, you know

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Speaker 5: Earn your keep, Like okay, what have you done? That's fine,

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Speaker 4: WNBA championship with the aces, that's fine. I can respect that,

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but like, get on board because you can't wear a

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shirt that says pay us what you owe as we

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deserve more, and the girl that brings in more eyeballs

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than anybody else crap on in the media. You can't

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do both pick one side of the fence and stay

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well hold on. Sorry. The other thing that like

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Speaker 7: Or whatever, and they're just like proving them right.

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Speaker 2: So it just it's a bad look for Kelsey Plumb,

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it's a bad look for the WNBA. And like she

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really it was just a very unnecessary comment. There is

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no reason to make it.

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Speaker 4: Nobody asked her who had more attendance team clerk or

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team call here, Like nobody nobody asked that.

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Speaker 5: Like she threw that out there.

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Speaker 4: And like to your point, like she kind of his

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WNBA's worst enemy at this point because support us. I'm

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not gonna support my fellow athletes, but we want you

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to support it. So it's just it's kind of a yeah,

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kind of contradictory there, Paul O'Neill, Well, we.

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Speaker 5: Got we got a winner. We gotta lose where we go.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna go a week in winner. This is gonna

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go to former MLB pitcher Anthony Ianson.

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Speaker 7: Let's okay.

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Speaker 8: He was drafted in the third round, eighty seventh overall

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by Muso's Boston Red Sox. Yeah, but he signed his

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pro deal. He signed for one point seven to five million.

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nine hundred seven thousand, so he did sign overslot. He

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twelve and in k's with one hundred and fifty two.

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Speaker 7: Let's go love to see it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out to Anthony Ions and left the heartfelt

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Speaker 5: We knew that, like you you had heard any interview.

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Speaker 4: With him throughout the season, Like you you knew how

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classy of a guy. Anthony Iinson is like, congratulations to him,

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a guy that for whatever reason was under the radar,

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like if Kate Anderson is not on LSU's team, like

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somewhere in there just underlooked because he wasn't your Friday guy.

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like to me, it's one A, one B like LSU

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has two aces at this point Friday Saturday. Yeah, I

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don't care, like they can both get it done. But

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shout out to Anthony Iinson. My first weekend winner is

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going to be Scotty Scheffler. So I had to come

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to take it or leave it with Beck on Thursday

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because Hunt had to roll. They had an early flight

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to get back to bed Rouge, and he said, Taylor's

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gonna watch any of the Open, take it or leave it.

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Speaker 5: I left it. Well, turns out I was wrong.

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Speaker 4: I said down and watch the entire final round yesterday

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because I wanted to see Scotty Scheffler.

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Speaker 5: And Scotty Scheffler dominated.

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Speaker 4: He finished seventeen under par throughout the whole four day tournament.

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now he has the Open.

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Speaker 5: Look.

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Speaker 4: I like a good sports fun fact and I saw

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this yesterday. It was a graphic making the rounds. Everyone's

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going to compare Scotty Scheffer to Tiger Woods, right, wrong

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or indifferent? If I'm Scotty, I love the comparison. I

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Speaker 5: So one to four. It was a total of ninety

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Speaker 4: Yesterday mark the one ninety seven day for Scotty Scheffer

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between his first Master and his fourth. The comparisons are

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going to stay there. Scotti Schefler the most dominant player

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in the sport. And like it's weird, you know he

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he's a guy that doesn't show a ton of emotion. However,

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he threw his hat up in the air. His little

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boy came and ran out with him. He paraded him

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around the eighteenth Green holding up the trophy, like we

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golfer because he makes it look so easy, Like you

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fifteen feet from the hole, Like that's just what Scotty

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Scheffler does. Even when he gets in the jam, he

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knows how to get out of it. He is playing

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at a level we haven't seen in a long time.

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Weekend Winter, Scottie Scheffer or anybody else got anything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know we talked about it last hour,

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but Dustin Poorier, even though he lost that fight, has

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to be a weekend winner just based off of like

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his send off, it was incredible. So shout out Dustin,

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Shout out UFC three eighteen, Shout out to the UFC. Like,

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I know, it's a very niche sport and not a

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lot of people like it. I didn't really realize that

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until this weekend because, like y'all know that, I've always

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really really enjoyed it. But UFC is freaking fun and amazing.

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Speaker 5: It's so weird.

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Speaker 4: Like I agree with you on given Dustin Poie a

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weekend winner, but like, yeah, you always have to give

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one to Halloween as well, not because of the fight win,

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but because going into it like this was all about Dustin.

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Speaker 5: Poitier is respectful retirement tour.

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Speaker 4: He was so respectful, but also like so many people

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were like, oh, Dustin's gonna win this fight, like it's

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it's set in stone, like this is his like he

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was Halloway goes in wins, doesn't brag about it. I

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mentioned earlier, like chatting with chatting with Poorier after the fight,

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Like as much as you wanted that big fight win

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to be about you, he still made the moment about

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Dustin Pourrier. Like weekend winner for me has to be

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mister Max Holloway.

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Speaker 5: Paul, I want to.

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Speaker 4: Ask you this, This has nothing to do with Weekend Winner,

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but you mentioned the Boston Red Sox, and this is

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something I've thought about a lot. So many people say

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the New York Yankees have so many Bandwagon fans, so

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I can't be a bandwagon fan. However, I think I

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know more Red Sox fans than any other fan base

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in the Major League, and the reason is, oh, well,

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they're not the New York Yankees. So like so many

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people are jumping on the Red Sox bandwagon because they

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don't want to be the Yankees. But like, I know,

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more just random Red Sox fans than anything I can.

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Speaker 8: See that I think. I think I personally still still

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no more Yankee fans.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I only know two Yankees fans. They

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both were Andre and Moscono. If that's it is he,

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I don't know, your brother. Shout out to mister O'Neal.

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Speaker 7: No, no shout out.

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Speaker 4: But it's just weird, Like, I just I see that

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a lot, Like people like the Yankees have so many

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bandwagon fans. I'm like, but aren't you kind of doing

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the same thing just despite the Yankees? Yeah, I just

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I just I see that a lot. Everybody I went

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to high school with, we're like, why are you.

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Speaker 5: A Yankees fan?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean they're the they're the I mean, why

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are you Red Sox fan? Well, they're they're the Yankees'

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biggest rye. Okay, So didn't you kind of just do

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the same thing that.

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Speaker 5: You cas just something I've always thought about. I'm not

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not accusing anybody of anything.

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Speaker 4: Just something i've noticed from afar. Okay, one more weekend

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winner from me com Canipple of the NBA. They're there

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in the summer league. He took the Hornets to their

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first Summer League title, and uh, he's been dominant. He

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got drafted fourth overall, and there were a lot of

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people right after the NBA draft that were like, that

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is way too high for Kankinill. He's more of an eight, nine,

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ten draft pick. You dropped them at four overall. He

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has looked like a stud so far. I understand that

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it's summer league, the competition is gonna be better, But

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right now that investment by the Charlotte Hornet certainly seems

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to be paying off. Conkinable looks like a stud.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 4: If Nobes someybody else have a weekn winner losing, all right,

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well we're gonna take a time out and we get back.

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Schamar Stewart Cincinnati Bengals. They were in a contract.

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Speaker 1: Hold.

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Speaker 5: We'll break that down next. He're on off the bench.

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Speaker 1: From the locker room to the Airwaves, gets Off the

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Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.

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Speaker 5: Now welcome back in hour number two.

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Speaker 4: Here on a Monday edition of Off the Bench, Taylor

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Sharp sitting in for Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn. We

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got a Landevilla Reale and Paul o'neola along for the

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ride as well. Okay, rookie mini or training camp for

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most NFL teams starting up this week. The New Orleans

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Saints will be on Wednesday, and to open show, I

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mentioned Tyler Shock was the last remaining second round pick

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that wanted guaranteed money to get that guaranteed contract at

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forty overall.

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Speaker 5: He got it. He's going to.

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Speaker 4: Report to training camp. Everything fine and dandy on the

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Black and Gold front. Well, one first round pick is

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still unsigned, and that is Cincinnati Bengals rookie defensive lineman

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Shamar Stewart.

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Speaker 5: He's unsigned. All the Bengals rookies.

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Speaker 4: Reported to training camp on Saturday, Chamar Stewart was not

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in that number due to an ongoing dispute.

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Speaker 5: So what it is is.

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Speaker 4: It's a contract dispute, but it's not over money. So

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the rookie wage Scial was implemented in twenty eleven. Stuart's

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fully guaranteed contract would be four years, worth a round

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eighteen point nine million and about a ten point four

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million dollars signing bonus.

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Speaker 5: Like that's that's set in stone.

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Speaker 4: That's not really something you negotiate a ton of one

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way or the other. Now you could turn something into

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your signing bonus, have more upfront on the back end,

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But as far as like number, that's pretty much set

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in stone. The disagreement is over language in Stuart's contract.

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So what it would do is trigger the voiding of

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his salary guarantees with a breach or a default in

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the contract on the part of Stuart. It says the

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Bengals want to tighten up the language to remove any

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ambiguity over whether all remaining guarantees in the contract void

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with a default.

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Speaker 5: Now you can kind of see both sides of this.

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Speaker 4: Stuart's camp wants similar language to what Amarius memes the

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first round tackle that the Bengals took last year. What

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was in his deal. He was actually selected one spot

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after Stuart Stewart selected seventeen this year. Mems selected eighteen

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a year ago. Now, there's not a ton of detail

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on like what the defaults or what the contract breaches

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would be on Stuart's part to consider voiding all the

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guaranteed money. Look, you can look at it from both sides.

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Let's pick on Stuart.

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Speaker 5: First and then we'll pick on the bingles.

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Speaker 4: If you're Stuart and you aren't planning on breaching anything,

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not a ton to worry about with the language.

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Speaker 5: Now, I get it.

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Speaker 4: You want your contract a certain way, you feel you

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have earned it. I can respect that to me, not

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just Stuart on the part of the Cincinnati Bengals. So

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this is an ego issue for both sides. If you're Stuart,

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you're like, hey, I want what everybody else got. Why

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are you singling me out? If you're the Bengals, it's hey,

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we're paying you close to eighteen million dollars on your

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rookie contract.

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Speaker 5: You take what we give you.

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Speaker 4: I can see both sides, but it's not about money.

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Speaker 5: Can both sides just get over it?

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Speaker 4: You find some sort of common ground, Like reports now

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are that the Bengals are not budging and Jamar Stewart's

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not budget and there is a certain date in twenty

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twenty five that if you're not signed, it's sometime in December,

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you could like potentially apply for some sort of waiver

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and like re enter the twenty twenty six NFL draft,

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So like that's possibly an option.

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Speaker 5: I personally don't think he gets there. There's a reason

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we haven't seen that.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, there was a report last week

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saying Shamar Stewart he's practicing with Texas A and m like,

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is he is he going to try to sue the NCAAA,

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And I mean, we know that if you sue the NCAAA,

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now you're going to win. Judges hate the NCAAA, and

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they were like, oh, if you sue the NCAAA, you

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could potentially go back get your final year of eligibility back. Well,

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Mike Yelko came out last week and kind of squashed

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that notion. He was like, look, he's at our team facility,

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using our facility to work out in the offseason. He's

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not practicing with the team, he's not doing conditioning with

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the team. He's doing his own stuff at our facility. Shocker,

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Shamar Stewart's not going back to school. I thought that

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was kind of a load of crap when we first

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heard it. To me, though, Bingles Stewart, this says a

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lot about both sides. The Bengals are terrible at contract negotiations.

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For example, Demetrius Knight, a fourth round picked this year

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for the Bengals, also still unsigned. You have yet to

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resign Trey Hendrickson to a long term extension. He wants

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the money. He thinks he's a you've done next to

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nothing to get that contract done. And also maybe they

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believe there's a reason to be extra cautious with Stuart,

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which kind of says a lot about him as well.

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Like Chamar Stewart, in my opinion, was a bad pick anyways.

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You drafted a guy eighteenth overall based purely on potential.

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It wasn't based on hon Field production. In his three

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year career at Texas A and m Shamar Stewart sixty

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five tackles, twelve tackles were lost, four and a half sacks.

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He had four and a half sacks in three years

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and went seventeenth overall. Now I get it he's a

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little bit more of a run stuffer, but I mean

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the production just really wasn't.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't what she wanted it to be.

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Speaker 4: Not a guy playing big time college football who's going

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to get drafted in the first round. Stuart will sign

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at some point because I don't think he has a

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choice again. He can sit out and try again next year.

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I don't think he does that. I don't know if

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the Bengals fold Like I would like to say they

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come to some sort of common ground, But again, the

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Bengals are so bad at contract discussions and to gociations

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that I don't know if the Cincinnati Bengals are gonna

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budge on this. Reports are right now that they're not.

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But how many time do you see reports this is

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this team's hard number. They're not giving a player of

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pennymore and then like two days later they give them

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like a record breaking contract. That happens all the time.

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My advice for the Bengals, though, like, work on this

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when you can. You gotta worry about Trey Hendrickson. Two,

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you gotta re sign this guy. Trey Hendrickson was the

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NFL sack leader this year twenty twenty four seventeen and

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a half sacks. Oh you want to know what he

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did in twenty twenty three, also seventeen and a half sacks.

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Since he's been in Cincinnati fourteen eight, seventeen and a half,

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seventeen and a half.

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Speaker 5: That's many sacks he's had per season.

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Speaker 4: So one season with less than double digits, then he's

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had fourteen seventeen and a half twice. The guy's is

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stud he is a top five pass rusher in this league.

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Speaker 5: Pay it.

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Speaker 4: You just saw TJ. Watt get a huge number. Miles

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Garrett got a big number. Like all of these guys

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are signing big time contracts. Don't let Tree Henderson walk

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out the door. You've already moved on from a number

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of defensive guys.

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Speaker 5: You should not.

474
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,559
Speaker 4: You had one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

475
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,920
Like according to prof Football Reference, your defense was ring

476
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,839
twenty fifth in the NFL last year out of thirty

477
00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:26,279
two teams. Case you're wondering that ain't good. Like how

478
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,160
much money did the Bengals have left? Like that's a question.

479
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,960
A lot of people ask, what's your fault for signing

480
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,640
T Higgins? Like, I love T Higgins. I think he's

481
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,440
agree receiver. Sending him to a deal that big was

482
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,559
a bad move in my opinion.

483
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Speaker 5: I get that.

484
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 4: Your starting quarterback comes out, and when Joe Burrow says, hey,

485
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,880
you have to resign T Higgins, the team feels like

486
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,400
they need to. However, like I get it, Joe wants

487
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,160
the weapons to play with on offense. You got to

488
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,079
show up that defense. Offense wasn't your problem. My year ago,

489
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,920
Burrow put up huge numbers. Jamar Chase is if not

490
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,839
the best, then no less than the second best wide

491
00:22:55,839 --> 00:23:00,279
receiver in the NFL. Your running game is solid, it's

492
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:04,000
fine with Chase Brown and Zach Moss. Your offensive line's

493
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,119
actually getting a little bit better. That's not saying much,

494
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,039
but it's getting better. You have to shore up the

495
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:11,519
defense because there were a lot of times last year

496
00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:15,119
the Bengals had put up thirty five, thirty eight points

497
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,480
and looking for one stop on defense to potentially win

498
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,759
a game, and they couldn't get it, and that's why

499
00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,759
they've missed the playoffs two years in a row. You

500
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,799
can't have that happen. You have to re sign Trey Hendrickson.

501
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,519
You ultimately got to get Stuart done as well. But

502
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000
I want to blame Stuart. I want to be the

503
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:35,279
guy to be like, he's getting eighteen million dollars guarantee.

504
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:37,200
You just signed the contract to move on if you're

505
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,680
not worried about breaching the contract and the language shouldn't matter.

506
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,720
But at the same time, the Cincinnati Bengals have a

507
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,119
terrible track record when it comes to contract negotiations. Stuart's unsigned,

508
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,759
Dimitri's Knights, unsigned, Trey Hendrickson's unsigned, not only as Trey

509
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:53,799
Hendrickson unsigned. Like all reports come out there, like you

510
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:55,359
offered him a deal a long time ago, and like

511
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you refuse to negotiate, Like you're the Bengals. It's not

512
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like you're the Kansas ay Chiefs and people are going

513
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,559
there to win a Super Bowl. You need all the

514
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,759
help you can get. You're not one of the premier

515
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,799
franchises in the NFL. You're not a destination spot right now.

516
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,119
You're lucky you got Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. They're

517
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,880
keeping you about as relevant as you can be. Get

518
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,000
it together, Bengals, Get it together, Shimar Stewart, Get this done.

519
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Like you're you're the final first round camp hold out. Like,

520
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,519
get it done. It's better for both sides if you

521
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:24,920
get this done. Put your egos inside for a minute.

522
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:26,119
Get the contract done.

523
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:26,599
Speaker 9: All right.

524
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Speaker 4: Look, we're going to take a quick time out. We

525
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,400
get back. We're talking about NFL next. We're going back

526
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,000
to the New Orleans Saints. I got Ross Jackson have

527
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locked on Saints and louisianasports dot Net. He's gonna hop

528
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240
on whether it's get a little training camp preview. That's

529
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coming up next. You're on off the bench.

530
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Speaker 9: Off the bench, you go there, Matthew, heybuddy, all right,

531
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,519
well we are going to let's see get Gordon. All right,

532
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,359
go go to get Gordon dot com. Everywhere in Louisiana.

533
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,839
You can call whatever your area code is. Eight eight

534
00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:58,799
eight eight eight eight eight. Look, injuries happen, accidents happen,

535
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,480
whether it's on the road, whether you're at work, whether

536
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:04,720
it's whatever it is. Call somebody that's gonna fight for you,

537
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,039
and that is Get Gordon. That is this whole entire

538
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,279
team dedicated to helping you get what you deserve. Call

539
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,279
him today anywhere in Louisiana. Like I said, eight eight

540
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,839
eight eight eight eight eight, get Gordon dot com.

541
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,519
Speaker 5: Go to get Gordon dot com.

542
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: That is a website Gordon Mckerney injury attorneys. Like Matt said,

543
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,079
it is your area code in Louisiana. Fall about eight

544
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,480
eight eighty eight eighty eight, Get Gordon and get it done.

545
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: From players to legends, Hester and Flynn breakdown LSU football

546
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:35,640
like only champions can.

547
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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in out number two. Here on

548
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,440
a Monday edition of Off the Bench. We're about halfway

549
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,440
through our Monday show. We have hit a ton of

550
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:54,519
topics so far. In just a few minutes, we're gonna

551
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:56,200
go out to the Ralse Jackson. He's running a little

552
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,359
bit behind. Just got the text from him, so we'll

553
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,480
catch up with him in about two minutes. But look

554
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,799
Saints training camp coming up. On Wednesday, reopened the show

555
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,079
talking about Tyler Shuck. He got the fully guaranteed contract

556
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,160
that a lot of these guys drafted high in the

557
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,839
second round wanted. It'll be interesting to see the quarterback

558
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,880
bat like, okay, hand up. All things equal, I would

559
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,599
prefer the coaching staff go with Tyler Shuck. He's a

560
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,000
guy that has the potential. They drafted him for a reason.

561
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,880
But look the two guys that normally sit here. They've

562
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,920
hyped up Spencer Rattler a lot in the coming weeks.

563
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,799
Like my take on Spencer Rattler, he was thrown into

564
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:39,880
a really bad situation last year. It was a makeshift

565
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,079
offensive line. You had no weapons or receiver. Everything was

566
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,319
kind of all over the place. But at the same time,

567
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,400
I think there were plays that Spencer Rattler made. I'm like,

568
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,200
you can't make that through, And I get it. You're

569
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,640
trying to make a play. You're trying to show what

570
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:58,680
you can do as a rookie. But what I saw

571
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,799
from Spencer Rattler was Oklahoma Spencer Rattler, which got him bitched.

572
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,240
Now again, he was a rookie, he was thrown into

573
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,440
the fire. He probably didn't expect to play much at

574
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,039
all last season as a rookie. But look, it kind

575
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:17,440
of is what it is at this point. I obviously

576
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,440
want whoever to win this job earned it. That's why

577
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,359
I was talking at the beginning of the show, like

578
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,920
it's important to have shocked just because like, sure, Spencer

579
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,599
Utler may want to be in a great quarterback, but

580
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:29,079
you don't want to give somebody the starting quarterback job

581
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,920
by default because the other guy wasn't there. You want

582
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,440
these guys battling and scratching and clawing for every single

583
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,839
thing and ultimately let the best man win the job.

584
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,519
Like that's where we're at right now with Saints training camp.

585
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,519
Like quarterback battle's gonna dominate the headlines. There's a lot

586
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,400
of other spots you gotta worry about as well, Like

587
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,480
get everybody in the building ready to go for training camp.

588
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,319
Speaking of training camp, we're gonna go out to the

589
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,519
phone lines right now, our guy Ross Jackson but locked

590
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,799
on Saints and writes for our website Louisianasports dot Net.

591
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Speaker 5: Ross, how are you this.

592
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 6: Morning, hey man?

593
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:01,559
Speaker 3: Doing great, doing great?

594
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:03,039
Speaker 6: Thanks much for having me, Thanks for your patience.

595
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for kind of shifting things around. I

596
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,240
know it's a busy morning for you, because well it's

597
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,720
a busy week for the New Orleans Saints.

598
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Speaker 5: Hrel's training camp coming up.

599
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,079
Speaker 4: Look, I was just talking before you hopped on Tyler

600
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,799
Shuck now on board the contract situation in the past.

601
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,920
How do you see this quarterback battle shaken out, You

602
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,200
got Rattler, you got Shuck all training camp Loan.

603
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think that it's going to be a

604
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,000
very good quarterback battle. I think both these quarterbacks performed

605
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,119
well throughout OTAs in mini caamp, with since Ratler maybe

606
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,720
having the slight edge as a guy that came in

607
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,720
with a little bit more experience, more rhythm to his game,

608
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,599
all those other things. Right, He's seen the NFL game

609
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,000
in the NFL speed already for a few games, and

610
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,480
so I think all of that kind of goes in

611
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,519
the credit of Spencer Rattler. But look, I think Ultimately,

612
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,319
this is a little bit of a little bit more

613
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,640
of an uphill battle for Spencer Rattler than it is

614
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,799
anything else because of the investment in Tyler Shock and Ahny.

615
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,480
We talked about the contract, right, like, the guaranteed contract

616
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,160
is really a conversation of like eight percent. He was

617
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,880
either going to get one hundred percent guaranteed deal or

618
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,319
he's going to get like a ninety something percent guaranteed deal.

619
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And so it's not that huge of a difference in

620
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terms of what happened versus what could have happened otherwise

621
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,519
when it comes to that contract. But I do think

622
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that like being drafted number forty overall, being the highest

623
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,079
quarterback draft pick in New Orleans in the NFL draft proper,

624
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,799
not including the supplemental draft since nineteen seventy one, and

625
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:24,799
if you do include the UMETL draft, okay, then since

626
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:28,240
the nineteen eighties, and he's you know, kind of being

627
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,759
called Kellen Moore's guy. It sounds like he was kind

628
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,279
of Kellen Moore that identified that this was the quarterback

629
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that he liked. And so I think, like, with all

630
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,000
that in mind, in this idea of kind of turning

631
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,279
the page and shifting to the new regime and shifting

632
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:44,200
to kind of the new era of New Orleans. I'm

633
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920
it's going to be hard to kind of outplay that

634
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,960
idea of making that full shift, and so I think

635
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,200
it's a tough battle for both these guys because they

636
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,480
both have to prove it. And I think that whoever

637
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,559
ends about their Week one undoubtedly earned the opportunity to

638
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:01,559
be out there week one. But it wouldn't be surprised

639
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:03,720
if throughout the twenty twenty five season we end up

640
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,200
seeing both of these quarterbacks for some amount of time.

641
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Speaker 5: Rossa.

642
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Speaker 4: All the talk obviously is going to be around the

643
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,440
quarterback battle because it's the position with the most eye

644
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,119
balls on a ride. But as far as the guys

645
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,839
protecting them, the Saints offensive line, we know what it's

646
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,480
been in the last couple of years. It's it's been

647
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,960
pretty makeshift. But you dropped Calvin Banks in the first round.

648
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,880
You you're trying to improve that maybe going into training camp.

649
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,960
What is your level of optimism for this group?

650
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it's funny. I think that the offensive line

651
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,319
is both the source of optimism and anxiety for a

652
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,559
lot of day right, you know, it kind of kind

653
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,640
of bridges the gap between both of those things because

654
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,359
of what's happened in the past, and in particular, you

655
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,880
know the injuries and kind of drop off from the

656
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,240
starter unit to the backup unit. And look, there's a

657
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,240
reason why players are starters and there's a reason why

658
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,319
players are backup. There's always going to be some level

659
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,240
drop off. But when you got to the point last year,

660
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I'm sure you were signing guys on Tuesday to play

661
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,759
on Sunday. It was a little tough, right, And so

662
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:04,920
I think that Fort New Orleans really this one, like

663
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,200
the sign of optimism around all of it is that

664
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,240
I thinks have kind of reshuffled things around, but are

665
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,000
still returning four of their five starters from last year,

666
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even though two were going to be starting in different places.

667
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:20,680
It feels like there's still a level of continuity there.

668
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,000
They get a top ten tackle selection, that was the

669
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,359
Outland Trophy winner, that was the Lombardi Award winner, that

670
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,000
was a consensus Ald American and Kelsen Banks Junior. Like,

671
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,799
there's good talent and a lot of investment there, first

672
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,279
or second round picks all the way across the offensive line.

673
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But I think that the real source of optimism for

674
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this offensive line are the veteran depth pieces that were

675
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,799
added this offseason, Dylan Raident's Will Clapp junior Will Clap

676
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,640
coming back. I think that both of those guys give

677
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,920
you a better kind of emergency turn two should you

678
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,599
need to. If there be any injury on the offensive line,

679
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:57,920
then where the Saints were last year, they could continue

680
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,920
to build that up. Layel Collins was on this very

681
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,599
station talk about how he's had conversations with Kellen Moore

682
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,079
and so we'll see what happens there. But I think

683
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,000
that really the big thing is the amount of investment

684
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:09,720
that was in there. And this was a team that

685
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:11,759
is showing again that it would rather build from the

686
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,759
inside out. But I feel like they were really successful

687
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:14,880
at doing this offseason.

688
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:17,319
Speaker 4: Ross one more on the offensive side of the ball

689
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,319
before we switch to defense. R Elsea Jackson locked on Saints.

690
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,079
What he's saying a sports a dot net joining us

691
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,720
right now. Look as far as the receiver position, like

692
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,839
your frontline guys, like you know, everybody's like, oh you

693
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,680
need more help. Like these guys may not be elite,

694
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,039
but you know what they are, like a lave Shaheed Cooks.

695
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,200
If they can stay healthy, like, they'll be fine. I

696
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,640
want to know like the depth behind them, Like is

697
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,680
there a guy that you think maybe steps up behind

698
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those three?

699
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm really curious about Cedric Wilson Junior. This year,

700
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,119
the last time that he was in a Kellen Moore

701
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,000
offense was his best season, over six hundred receiving yards

702
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,839
during that time. Took a lot of his snaps from

703
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,839
the slot, which I think could help elevate the speed

704
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,559
of guys like Chris olave Rashi Jhaheid and Brandon Cook's

705
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,720
getting to work a little bit more on the outside,

706
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,839
so I'm sure they'll also take snaps in the slot.

707
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You got a little bit of an interchangeable, versatile room here,

708
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:06,119
but I think Cedric Wilson Junior would be somebody that

709
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,839
could contribute there pretty well. Good blocker as well, kind

710
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:10,920
of helps you expand your offensive line when he's in

711
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,359
the slot. I think Donovan Peoples shown this is another

712
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,559
one that I would absolutely watch, and he's been away

713
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,119
from the game, but he was super impressive during OTA's

714
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,559
mini camp. All that and again, a really really solid

715
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,519
blocker can contribute in the run game. I think the

716
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,119
run game is going to carry is going to be

717
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,279
the big focus on this offense because I don't think

718
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,160
you're going to put that much pressure on either one

719
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,559
of these quarterbacks to go out there and you be

720
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,039
the big focus of the offense. I think the run

721
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:36,359
game is going to be a big part of that,

722
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,720
and so I think you're looking at who can contribute

723
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,880
in that area of the game. I think bub Memes

724
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,640
kind of blends the kind of bridges the gap between

725
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,720
the guys that can be physical but that also have

726
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,160
top end speed like Chris Alavey, reci To Heat and

727
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,799
Brandon Cooks, and so I think those six guys make

728
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,880
a lot of sense to me. But players like Mason

729
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,480
Tipton and Dante Pettis also make a lot of sense.

730
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:57,000
Kevin Austin Junior was in this offense.

731
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 7: They've got a couple of.

732
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,559
Speaker 6: Undrafted free agent guys as well, so they have a

733
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,839
lot of ops and to look at at the position.

734
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,240
But I think when you have your top three guys

735
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,760
being those speed threat guys, those deep threat guys, I

736
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920
think finding the other filling out the room with the

737
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,480
other physical players I think makes a lot of sense.

738
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: Well.

739
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 5: Shifting over to the defensive side of the ball. Real quick.

740
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,679
Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, the cornerback position is one that everybody's watching.

741
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239
There's a lot of uncertainty there. And then you you've

742
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,320
heard all all season long, like the name of Sante

743
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,400
Samuel Junior keeps popping up, like is there any sort

744
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,880
of update on him? And if the Saints can't land him,

745
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,079
what does that room look like without it?

746
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't necessarily have an update on him, and

747
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,599
we haven't really heard any things about him, but we

748
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,519
do know that, you know, there are a lot of

749
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:43,880
teams that are interested that at least have shown some

750
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,639
interest and everything, and the you know, Miami Dolphins feel

751
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,840
like a pretty natural spot after having traded away Jalen Ramsey,

752
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,360
even though a Sante Samuel Junior's dad, a Sante Sanuel Senior,

753
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,280
kind of you know, laid in about, you know, the

754
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,920
Dolphins organization and everything like that. So we'll see where

755
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,880
things go. But I think even if they don't land

756
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,000
a Sante Daniel Junior, that the Saints are in a

757
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,519
pretty good place when it comes to their cornerback room.

758
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:08,440
It's just a little unproven, right. It's a lot of

759
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,679
young players, and so I think you'd be looking at

760
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,519
Kulaid mcintry and Alonte Taylor as your locks. They're probably

761
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,880
you're starting to on the outside when they're in base sets,

762
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,079
so when there's only two cornerbacks on the field, but

763
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:22,239
then when they shift to those nickel sets where you

764
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,199
get a third corner on the field, then I think

765
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,119
Alonta Taylor moves into the slot. And then the conversation

766
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,159
becomes between Quincy Riley, who was drafted this year out

767
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,280
of Louisville, who's got that ballwalking, turnover production type of resume,

768
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,119
and then Isaac Gadam, who was outstanding with New Orleans

769
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:38,840
the last and then he was here in twenty twenty three.

770
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,360
That the conversation comes becomes between those two guys, but

771
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,000
who plays opposite Kulaid mcintry on the outside. And then

772
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:46,880
I think Rico Payton is the guy to keep an

773
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,159
eye out on because he makes the roster somebody that

774
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,159
has both a really strong, you know history already with

775
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,480
New Orleans both in defensive production during his preseason last year,

776
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,920
but also is one of your top gunners on spec

777
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,719
teams as a punt gunner, and that's an important metric

778
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,480
or important you know spot to fill opposite J. T. Gray,

779
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,280
and so I think maybe those five guys, and honestly,

780
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,320
I think if you sign a Sante Sine junior, then

781
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,079
you just end up keeping six corners in that way,

782
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,440
because I don't think as Sante Segni Junior necessarily leaps

783
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,079
any of those five guys in terms of they're the

784
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,480
way that they contribute, but I think could be additive

785
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,519
to them and certainly would be a good, you know,

786
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,280
depth piece to have behind Alante Taylor in that star role,

787
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,360
which is going to kind of elevate his kind of

788
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,199
disruptive game style play style on the inside when he's

789
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,639
in the slot under Brandon Staley and Sante sem Juni

790
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,400
has played that position before, so I think that's probably

791
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,559
where he would most immediately fit in, though of course

792
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,119
he could if signed, earn a much larger role than

793
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,199
that as well.

794
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 4: Ross Obviously, you know, we started this interview talking Tyler

795
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,079
Shock Spencer Rattler, So as far as rookies go, like, yes,

796
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,119
Shuck's going to have the spotlight on him, but outside

797
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,239
of Tyler Shock, maybe like another rookie the Saints brought in,

798
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,719
and it could be a draft it could be an

799
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,000
undrafted guy like is there a rookie you're keeping an

800
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,360
eye on.

801
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Kelvin Banks Junior should should be brought

802
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,159
up in this conversation. For certain, He's a rookie starter

803
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,760
at left tackle, which depending upon who you ask, is

804
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,760
the second most important position in football, as the blind

805
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,760
side protector for either of these quarterbacks unless one hundred

806
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,519
Deckers is playing, then all of a sudden, you know,

807
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:18,480
it becomes the outisite side is the left handed guy,

808
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:21,599
but under the under the circumstances of who's the most

809
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,760
likely to be the starting quarterback for Neil Orleans, Yeah,

810
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,679
I think Kelvin Banks Junior is the guy that kind

811
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:29,960
of gets the focal point outside of Tyler Shuck. I

812
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,920
think the other guy to keep an eye out on, though,

813
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,159
that's going to be really interesting, is Danny Stutsman, linebacker

814
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,480
coming out of Oklahoma, one of the best rated linebackers

815
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,639
in this year's draft bass off ball linebackers in this

816
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,400
year's raft class, and comes in and is able to

817
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,159
maybe earn that kind of third linebacker role, although I

818
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:48,719
think the fi suol is going to be really hard

819
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,280
to push out of that area. But then what happens

820
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,039
if he hits the field at some point because of

821
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,719
you know, injury or somebody's got to tie a shoe

822
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,679
or something like that. How hard is it going to

823
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,880
be to keep him off the field. He's a great leader,

824
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:05,400
very vocal guy, very active and athletic player, confrons of

825
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,960
so Al America and all these other pieces. Like, I

826
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,079
think he's probably one of those one of the most

827
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:15,320
interesting additional players to watch that maybe won't step into

828
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,400
a starting role week one because there's only gonna be

829
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,719
two off ball linebacker spots of this defense to start,

830
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,760
but throughout the season, I think the spotlight will just

831
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,599
grow brighter and brighter on him as a potential future

832
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,599
piece to this you know, starting linebacker room.

833
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,559
Speaker 4: Before you, Jenna here, let me ask you about one

834
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,679
more rookie. I'm glad you brought up Danny Stutzman, Like

835
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,000
he's a guy that I'm certainly keeping my eye on. Look,

836
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,400
you bring in Justin Reid in the offseason. You already

837
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,440
have Tyron there, you already have Jordan Holden there. But

838
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:44,280
like I keep hearing so much about Jonah Sanker and

839
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,960
his potential, Like, what do you what do you like

840
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,800
about Sanker? You think he has a legitimate role on

841
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,679
this team this season.

842
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he could because of the fact that

843
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,599
he can play in so many different areas and that

844
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:56,599
you can deploy him in so many different ways. He

845
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:58,639
can play in the slot, he can play deep, he

846
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,639
can play down in the box, he can the middle

847
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:02,960
of the field. There's so many different things that you

848
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,039
can do with him, So he becomes this really interesting

849
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,880
kind of, you know, defensive chess piece in a way.

850
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,760
I don't want to compare him to tast them hill,

851
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360
but like there's such an urge to do that because

852
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,079
you could just kind of move him around and use

853
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,119
him in three or four different places. But I think

854
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,840
that because of that, where he becomes most helpful and

855
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,679
where he kind of earns his role probably from the

856
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,719
beginning is dime packages. Being able to get him out

857
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,239
on the field when you need six Dyv's defensive back,

858
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,639
and of course when there is an injury, and so

859
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,519
the opportunity to be able to kind of plug and

860
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:36,000
play him anywhere, I think is what makes him so valuable.

861
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:39,360
And then he'll grow into probably a more focus role

862
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,400
after that. But I think he was such a smart

863
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,000
investment by this New Orleans Saints defense this New Orleans

864
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,119
Saints team, just knowing their history and knowing that, like

865
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,559
there's players at those positions that might not be on

866
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,840
the roster next year, and so you get a guy

867
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,519
that can plug into a bunch of different places. I

868
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:54,679
think there's real value there.

869
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: We're also Jackson locked on saying you can catch the

870
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stuff there. Also read his articles at Louisiana Sports dot

871
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Need does a great job in both spots.

872
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: Ross, thanks so much for hopping on with me today.

873
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,639
Speaker 6: Thank you boy, thanks for having me. You'll take care.

874
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:07,800
I'll talk to you soon.

875
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,559
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

876
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 4: Rasse Jackson right there, he is going to be a

877
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,039
busy man this week at Saints training camp does start

878
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,440
very very shortly. All right, we're going to take a

879
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,000
time out.

880
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,679
Speaker 5: We get back. We're closing out now. Number two, you're on,

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in final segment here and nowur

924
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number two, a Monday edition of Off the Bench. Taylors

925
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:26,039
are sitting in for Jacob Estor and Matt Flynn. They

926
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,800
will both be back tomorrow. Obviously they had been in

927
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,599
studio for a while. We'll see if they remember how

928
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:33,480
to get here. They were out in Atlanta all week long,

929
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,480
Monday through Thursday, in the day off on Friday, and

930
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,079
then they are off again today, but they will be

931
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:40,840
back for the remainder of the week.

932
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,679
Speaker 5: But I'm here with you.

933
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,599
Speaker 4: For about another hour or so. We got a Laundervilla real.

934
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,800
We got Paul O'Neill in as well. Thanks so much

935
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for Ralter Jackson's time Locked on Saints louisinosports dot Net

936
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,679
just hopped on with us break down all things New

937
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,559
Orleans Saints training camp. I was gonna hit something regarding

938
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,480
Ella's shoe here. I want to spend a little bit

939
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,920
more time on it, so we're gonna push that to

940
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:07,039
probably nine thirty. Also, I saw a comment in the

941
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,440
YouTube chat when me and Ross were talking about Tyler Shock,

942
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,599
and I knew it was coming because it happens every

943
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,559
time you talk about Tyler Shock's success his last year

944
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:21,320
in college. Well, it's easy for Tyler Shock to have

945
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success in college. He's twenty five years old playing against

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nineteen and twenty year olds. That is just such a

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bad argument. First off, you're a grown man when you

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are twenty years old. Being twenty five playing against twenty

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year olds is a lot different than being eighteen nineteen

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in high school playing against fourteen year olds. Let's get

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that out of the way right now. Like we pick

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and choose so much about who we're going to throw

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that out there, Like, okay, you remember back in twenty

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twenty three, Jaden Daniels Bownix, they were battling for the

955
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Heisman all year long. Michael pennocks in there as well,

956
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what did you hear? Oh, Man, bo Nicks is old,

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he's been in college forever, Like, of course he's gonna

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be good.

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Speaker 5: How can you get him the Heisman trophy?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 4: Michael Pennock has been in college forever. How can you

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give him a Heisman trophy? Like I love Jaydon Daniels.

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I'm as big of an LSU fans as I am,

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but like I can also kind of see the hypocrisy

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go on that. Like just checked, Bonicks is eight months

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older than Jayden Daniels. They're essentially the same age. Michael

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Pinnock's same age as.

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Speaker 5: Both of them.

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Speaker 4: Like nobody said it about Jayden. You're gonna bring it

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up about Tyler Shuck Bownicks and all that. Like that's

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that's where you lose me, because I don't think it matters.

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Like most of the quarterbacks in college have success their

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fifth year Dylan Gabriel just let Oklahoma of Organs of

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the number one ranking and the number one seed in

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the College Football Playoff. He was a fifth year guy.

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Joe Burrow came here, he broke all kinds of records.

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He was a fifth year guy. Jayden was a fifth

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year guy. His Heisman season. I just mentioned Bonicks, Michael Penix.

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They were first round picks, like they were fifty year guys.

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Like it doesn't matter, Like I get it. You can

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go look and be like, Tyler Schuck had seven years

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of college football, eh, I mean he played thirty games

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in eighteen. I mean he was hurt and you can say, oh,

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he had one really good year. Maybe we we really

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don't know. The only other extended action we saw from

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Tyler Schuck was twenty twenty when he was at at

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Oregon his second year in school. Fifteen hundred yards, thirteen touchdowns,

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six interceptions. After that he played and that was seven games.

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He played four games, got injured, six touchdowns, three picks,

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seven games, got injured, four games again, got injured.

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Speaker 5: We really don't know. So all this talk about oh.

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Speaker 4: Well Pinix, I mean, Tyler Schuck's twenty five years old,

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of course he's gonna be Good's to say he wasn't

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gonna be good. Everything else like sixty two twenty three touchdown,

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six picks, that's a fishing, but like, take the h

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thing out of it.

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Speaker 5: First, he's a quarterback. It doesn't really matter how old

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he is.

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Speaker 4: They played till they're forty and secondly, like, y, let's

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be fair across the board, like get behind Tyler shuck,

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don't constantly tear him down and be like, oh, he's

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twenty five, played against.

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Speaker 5: Twenty year olds.

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Speaker 4: You're a grown man when you're twenty years old, Like literally,

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legally you were an adult when you were twenty years old.

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Get out of here. That that's an argument that I've

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always hated. All right, coming up an hour number three,

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straight up, nine o'clock. We're gonna be joined by Devin

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snow Hold, the Mayo. He was out there at UFC

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three eighteen as well. We'll get his thoughts on that

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and maybe preview a little bit of Saints training camp.

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We still got a lot of LSU football talk left,

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and we're gonna close this thing out like we do

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every day, with a little bit of ass the bench again,

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this hour very Saints heavy, even talk from Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 5: But look, we got one more hour left on this Monday.

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Speaker 4: That's coming up on the other side here on off

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the bench after bench.

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