1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Shirley You Can't 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,679 Be Serious podcast. We are here today to talk about 3 00:00:06,719 --> 00:00:11,679 two iconic movies from the eighties, one of which is 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,480 celebrating its fortieth anniversary just a couple of months ago, 5 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:20,839 the other of which is celebrating its thirty fifth anniversary 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,280 in a month or so right around this time. And 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,320 they are both cult classics. 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: Okay, today we're going to be discussing Flash Gordon nineteen 9 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:35,920 eighty and Highlander nineteen eighty six. We are going to 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,240 have so much freaking fun talking about these movies. 11 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:43,079 Speaker 1: Okay, Jason, our executive producer for this episode is your 12 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:45,640 dear friend, mister Dale Selby. I want to give a 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,159 big shout out to him. Thank you very much. Dale. 14 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:54,119 He joined our Patreon page. I am sending him our prizes, 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,840 which are headphones and a cool custom engraved coffee mug 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,560 or you know what beverage he wants to put in there. 17 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: Dale is one of my great college buddies. Thank you 18 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:06,719 so much. He actually texts me and we talked about 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,040 the episode, and he follows it gives a feedback, and 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,239 I really appreciate you. Thanks Dale, You're awesome. 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,719 Speaker 1: Okay, So with most movies that we compare, we save 22 00:01:14,879 --> 00:01:18,359 final judgment for the end, and in this particular scenario, 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,480 we have an unfair comparison. Right, there's one obvious movie 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,120 that is better than the other movie in this comparison, 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,280 and that movie is Highlight. Shut your dirty mouth. 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,079 Speaker 2: Flash Gordon. It's Highlander, Flash Gordon is. It's clearly the winner. 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,439 I love both. I can't believe we decided this already. 28 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 3: What. 29 00:01:41,159 --> 00:01:45,439 Speaker 1: Okay, so Flash Gordon is like an over budgeted high 30 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:46,920 school musical. What are you talking about? 31 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: We're comparing it to the movie where the leads can't 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,719 even speak English. 33 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:55,079 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I guess we need to jump into tho 34 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,959 the discussion now, because. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:07,519 Speaker 3: There's the only one to the kids. 36 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Dad Gum, that song kicks so much. But I mean, 37 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:30,840 I don't care which movie you're picking. That is the 38 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:34,199 song of all of the songs on both of these soundtracks, 39 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:35,919 that is the most awesome. 40 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: It's awesome. It gets my you know what, it. 41 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: Does, get your you know what, It gets my you 42 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:47,919 know what too, it gets me going man, make that 43 00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:48,840 feel like a man. 44 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:51,599 Speaker 2: That might be my favorite Queen song of all time. 45 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean that is. 46 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:56,879 Speaker 2: Up there with the big boys, you know, Bohemian Rhapsody 47 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,159 and I Want It All and. 48 00:02:58,759 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: We Will Rock You. 49 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: It's up there, Princes of the Universe. Freaking awesome. 50 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, So, as we mentioned before, these are two 51 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:09,759 cult classics. They were not super popular movies. They were 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,240 not in the US when they first came out, but 53 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,840 thanks to Queen and thanks to a following that developed 54 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:20,080 over time for both of them, they have become iconic 55 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,639 movies that have stood the test of time. 56 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:27,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 57 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: I think HBO and VHS were vital to these two. 58 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:36,159 Speaker 1: Both of my experiences were with a video, although I 59 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:38,000 think with Flashboard and I actually got to see that 60 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:38,439 one in the night. 61 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:39,439 Speaker 2: I saw that in the theater as well. 62 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:39,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. 63 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: So I didn't see Highlander until I was in college. 64 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,280 This is the honest truth on both of these movies. 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,120 Each time I watch them, I like them a little 66 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:48,560 bit better every time I watch. Yeah, they are so 67 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,439 much fun. 68 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, There's a documentary that came out 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,199 about four years ago called Life After flash It's largely 70 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:00,639 involved Sam Jones, but it has everybody in there. Surprisingly, 71 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,759 almost all of them are still alive as old as 72 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:06,599 that movie is. But It's a fantastic documentary that I 73 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,680 encourage anybody to check out, very good quality stuff. 74 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I watched it too, and it made me love 75 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:14,000 Sam Jones even more. 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what's a super guy? Yeah. I kind 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,959 of wish that I had seen the documentary before I 78 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,600 rewatched Flash Gordon. I think I may have enjoyed it more. 79 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:26,000 But yeah, you really, he was a guy who screwed up, 80 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:29,079 owned it and has done everything he can to change 81 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:29,959 his life to make about it. 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:30,959 Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to dive in. 83 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 5: Let's talk about Flash Gordon first. 84 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: We're going to jump into the history, all right. 85 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,959 Speaker 2: Flash Gordon was released December fifth, nineteen eighty, with a 86 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,399 budget of twenty seven million dollars, and it made about 87 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:01,360 twenty seven million dollars. 88 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so it came Flash Gordon was born in 89 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,279 the nineteen thirties. I mean, the character was created in 90 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:12,480 the nineteen thirties. The King Features Syndicate was looking for 91 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:16,240 a character that it could use to compete with this 92 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:19,600 new character that had come out called buck Rogers. All Right, 93 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,639 so buck Rogers was a space adventure. They're like, we 94 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,560 need a space adventure of our own. They actually had 95 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,079 an artist working for them who came up with this 96 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:34,800 fantastic idea of a polo player from Yale that saved 97 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,360 the universe. A polo player, a polo player because that was, 98 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,120 you know, kind of the tough guy sport of the thirties. Yep. 99 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:46,040 And so Flash Gordon was immediately successful, had the toys, 100 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:48,720 had the comic strips, and then of course it started 101 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:52,439 having cereals, you know, and we had Buster Crabb, who 102 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:57,079 was an Olympic athlete, picturesque godlike you know, physique guy. 103 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: He was a stud of the thirties. 104 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,639 Speaker 1: He absolutely was. And he played Flash Gordon in the movies, 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,959 and he played Flash Gordon in the serials, and then 106 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,279 a little later on he played Buck Rogers really also 107 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:10,639 in the thirties. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. He was 108 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,240 also in Buck Rogers of the twenty fourth century. 109 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: But Drudgers in the twenty fourth and I have. 110 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: Twenty fifth century. It's the twenty fifth centad right, Okay. 111 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,399 His character's name was Commandeer Gordon Nice. 112 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: Nice is cool. 113 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:30,439 Speaker 1: So he's in those serials in the thirties and forties. 114 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,519 And then there's a guy named Steve Holland who's in 115 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,839 a TV show about Flash Gordon in the fifties, which 116 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:40,839 is a very important TV show for one reason. There's 117 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,399 this kid in the nineteen fifties watching TV named George 118 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,480 who decides that he wants to grow up to be 119 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:52,319 a movie director, and he wants to direct a movie 120 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:56,959 about Flashcourt Little George, Little Georgie Lucas, Little Georgie Lucas. 121 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,480 In the meantime. Unfortunately for him, this guy named Dino 122 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:05,519 de la Reentes obtains the screen rights to Flash Gordon. 123 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,240 It gets stuck in development. Hell Dyala Rennis has Frederic 124 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,160 Fellini is the guy he wants to direct it. Have 125 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:12,720 you seen any of Fellini's stuff? 126 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,519 Speaker 2: No, but I know he's revered. 127 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,639 Speaker 1: He's bizarre. Okay, it is. It's weird. Now. Dino had 128 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,399 had some success with some comic adaptations. He had done Barbarella, 129 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:24,800 and he had done this thing called Danger Diabolic. But 130 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,160 for some reason, Flash Gordon couldn't get off the ground. 131 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,439 Space Adventures had kind of fallen out of favor in 132 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,360 the seventies. You had more it was more like sci 133 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:37,800 fi dystopia type of stuff. When he goes to get 134 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,160 to the see if he can direct the movie from 135 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,480 King Syndicate features. They say, no, Dala Rennis already has 136 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:45,040 it and he doesn't want you to direct. I guess 137 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:47,639 I'll go direct my own space opera. 138 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: Oh, this movie called Star Wars. 139 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,839 Speaker 1: It had just a smidgeon of success, just a teeny 140 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,959 bit of success, And so suddenly Flash Gordon was moving 141 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,079 on up out of development hell and into production. 142 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: It's really it's incredible how these movies are so intertwined. 143 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and Lucas totally stole. Like the scrolling 144 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:10,560 credits at the beginning of Star Wars totally comes from 145 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,439 the Flashboard and Cereals the buns in her hair comes 146 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:17,680 from the Flashcoordon comic books. I mean, he took all 147 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,040 kinds of liberties, but you know, shame on them for 148 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:22,240 turning him down when he asked to come direct it. 149 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,399 Speaker 2: Hey, Darth Vader and Ming the Merciless similar I mean, yeah, 150 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,399 the two biggest batties in the universe. 151 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of a sudden, everybody's making space movies. Right, 152 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,559 So at this point Fellini has moved on, He's not 153 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:36,519 in it anymore. 154 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,799 Speaker 2: So he taps Nicholas Rogue. 155 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,919 Speaker 1: Yes, Nick Rogue is also kind strange. 156 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he does this movie called The Man Who Fell 157 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:44,639 to Earth. 158 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, had David Bowie in it. So he goes with 159 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,080 the guy who wrote Enter the Dragon that edbrus Lee 160 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,879 in it. He goes with that guy. I don't remember 161 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:54,559 where the guy's name is. They go and work on 162 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,240 the script together, and they come up with a really good, deep, meaningful, 163 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,799 symbol great script, and Dino dy Lorente says, no, this 164 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:06,440 is this is not what I want. I want a 165 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,559 comic book, and this is going to cost me way 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,799 too much money. Yes, you're out. Let me find somebody else. 167 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:15,720 And so he picks up Mike Hodges, who he had 168 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:18,559 already slated to direct flashcoord in Part two. 169 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,639 Speaker 2: Really okay, well optimism, you know, yeah, sure, Mike Hodges 170 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:24,440 did the Terminal Man get Carter? 171 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, in Flash Cord right, Terminal Man was the only 172 00:09:27,759 --> 00:09:29,279 sci fi experience that he had. 173 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: Well at this point, Dino has worked with this screenwriter 174 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,600 named Lorenzo Simple. 175 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: Yes, and we've talked about Lorenzo Simple before. 176 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: Yes. He wrote Never Say Never Again exactly. He also 177 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,440 wrote Three Days of the Condor Papion King Kong and 178 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:46,360 was known to be the main guy who wrote the 179 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,360 Batman series from the sixties. 180 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Adam West series. 181 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: Yes, he's the guy who came up with Bam, Pale, crash, right, 182 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:55,679 all that stuff. 183 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,759 Speaker 1: Right, and say they went they went to him specifically 184 00:09:57,799 --> 00:10:00,919 and said we want a comic book movie like your 185 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:04,000 comic book series. He said, this movie was just supposed 186 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:04,399 to be fine. 187 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so stop right there. Yeah, Flash Gordon. Yeah, if 188 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,039 you take Star Wars, yes, and mash it up with Batman, 189 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,519 the sixties series flash Cord, it gives birth to this 190 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,039 wonderful thing we called Flashboard. 191 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:19,799 Speaker 1: Yes, this colorful thing that we. 192 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,519 Speaker 2: Call it fun awesome, goofy, this campy, fun thing we 193 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,279 called flash book. 194 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,879 Speaker 1: It is perfect for kids. Keep going, let's see. But 195 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,879 the guy who ultimately is responsible for the way that 196 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,679 the whole movie works is this guy called Donna Elodnardi. Yes, 197 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,399 he had more influence over the way the thing looked 198 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:45,799 than anybody else, which is a little bit of a 199 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,159 problem because he didn't speak English. A number one and 200 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:53,240 number two he refused to read the script. 201 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,519 Speaker 2: He would make stuff and the director's like, what the crap. 202 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: Is this pink trees? 203 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,759 Speaker 2: He had pink a boria was pink, and it was. 204 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: And he would build these sets and it was there 205 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 was so much stuff on the set that they didn't 206 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,320 know where to set up the camera. There was no 207 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,919 place they couldn't move around. It was just like Mike 208 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:15,039 Hodges said, I think he was just out there just 209 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,240 having fun. He didn't really care that we were making 210 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:17,600 a movie. 211 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: Mike Hodges needs a round of applause and a pat 212 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,799 on the back for stealing this great movie out of 213 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,519 the depths of this craziness. 214 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:26,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. 215 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:31,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, the crew was Italian. Yeah, the cast was English. 216 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: Mostly an American. Yep. 217 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:34,519 Speaker 2: They couldn't talk to each other. Dina d Lerenz just 218 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:35,440 barely speaks English. 219 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:36,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sam J. 220 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,279 Speaker 2: Jones has never been in a movie before. I mean 221 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:39,879 he'd been in one or two things. 222 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he been to Blake Edwards, he was Playgirl, and 223 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:45,519 he had been in Hollywood Squares. 224 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: Now the Dame. The dating game. 225 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,279 Speaker 1: That's what it was, the dating game. So that's we 226 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,639 should We should go there in just a second when 227 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:55,240 we start talking about the actors. But before we do that, 228 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:57,320 let's talk about the beginning of Highlight. 229 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:59,519 Speaker 2: Let's it's a kind of magic. 230 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: It's a got. 231 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:08,639 Speaker 2: So. Highlander was released March seventh, nineteen eighty six. This 232 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,720 had a budget of nineteen million dollars. In its box 233 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:15,960 office was thirteen million dollars. This was originally titled The 234 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:16,559 Dark Knight. 235 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: Yes. The idea for the story was born from the 236 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,840 imagination of the writer Gregory Whiton. Gregory when he was 237 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:27,399 about nineteen years old, he went to the Tower of 238 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,639 London and down in the basement of the Tower of 239 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,039 London they have like the largest armory museum in the world, right, right, 240 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,799 And so he's looking at all of these suits of 241 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,679 armor and other war battle increment weapon things, swords and 242 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,399 about armor and shields, and he's like, what if there 243 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,039 was a guy who's in a bunch of these things, 244 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,159 like he had worn these things throughout history. And that 245 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,639 was the spark that led to the idea of the 246 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,279 immortal man who has worn all of these battle uniforms 247 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:58,879 throughout history. 248 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: It's such a simple idea, but it's such a good hook, right, Oh, 249 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,879 it's fantastic. What if there was a guy hook who 250 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:08,000 didn't die and this was his armor? 251 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: Right? So Gregory white and he went to UCLA to 252 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:20,639 get his film degree. He had actually planned initially he 253 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,159 had planned to be a doctor. Really yeah, okay, And 254 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,080 so while he was still just out of high school. 255 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,440 He had gotten his paramedic certificate because he thought that's 256 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,600 a good way to get familiar with the medical field. Right. 257 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,000 And so when he goes out to UCLA to go 258 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,120 to film school there, he gets a job as a firefighter, 259 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,960 which is why later on he goes on to write 260 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,080 the script for the movie Backdraft. 261 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,399 Speaker 2: This guy is taking the most of his opportunities, right, Hey, 262 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:51,919 I'm here at Tower of London. Boom script, my part 263 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,200 time job, fireman, boom script. 264 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: He wrote and directed this series called The Prophecy. I 265 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,039 haven't seen it. I don't know if it's any good. 266 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, Christopher Walking, Yeah yeah, Christopher Waltkins like Gabriel the Archangel. Yeah, 267 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:07,600 and he's like pissed, so oh wow, okay, yeah I 268 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:10,799 like it. So he has this grad project of writing 269 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:13,320 a script. He uses the idea that he came up 270 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,440 with from his strip to the Tower of London to 271 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,519 write this script. And congratulations to his professor. I don't 272 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:22,679 remember his professor's name, but he said, instead of saying 273 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,240 things like professors say sometimes to their students, so this 274 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,000 is scrap and here's all the thing's wrong with. 275 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,759 Speaker 1: It, he said, this is a really good script. As 276 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:31,919 a matter of fact, this is so good, I'm going 277 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,600 to put you in contact with this guy that I 278 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:35,200 know that's an agent. We're going to see if we 279 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,720 can option it off for you. And that's what they did, 280 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:41,279 and the script got picked up. Grad student gets paid 281 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,000 two hundred thousand dollars for the script. Yeah, I mean 282 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:44,279 it was. 283 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: Two hundred grand a lot of money. 284 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: There's a lot of money. 285 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, he could have done what miss what's her 286 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,320 face did and Christmas story and said c plus you 287 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:57,399 know plus. But yeah, he told me this is good 288 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,480 enough to turn into an agent. Yeah. 289 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:02,639 Speaker 1: And so the guys that pick up his script are 290 00:15:02,679 --> 00:15:07,480 called William Panzer and Peter Davis. Okay, and so they've 291 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,960 got this script that they like a lot, they do 292 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,919 decide they're going to make some changes to it. 293 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: Okay. 294 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:18,879 Speaker 1: The original script was a good deal darker, not as funny, 295 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,879 and didn't have a romance story to it. 296 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:23,399 Speaker 2: That's a good move. Yeah, some other changes that it had. 297 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,559 The immortals could have children, right, so like McLeod had 298 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,559 like thirty seven thirty seven children, right, Why. 299 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:33,279 Speaker 1: Did you have thirty seven children? Because we didn't want 300 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,159 to have thirty. 301 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: The Kurgan was a little different too. He had been 302 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:54,919 over time, he had been cut up and beat up 303 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,960 and burned, and he was much more grotesque character. 304 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he also was a more sympathetic villain. 305 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,279 Speaker 2: The only thing he had was the prize, like that 306 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,639 was the only thing he was going. 307 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:10,399 Speaker 1: For, right, He had lost everything over his centuries of living. 308 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:14,440 He had lost all meaning to life except for this 309 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,519 one thing, the prize at the end, to finish this competition, 310 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,000 and that was what got him up out of bed. 311 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 6: Everything we got, we got Joker from the Dark Night. 312 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: We got Clancy Brown full on Psycho. It's better to 313 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:45,440 burn out than fade away. 314 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,919 Speaker 1: I gotta say for Clancy Brown. I mean he Clancy 315 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,639 Brown wanted it to be more like the character was written. 316 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:52,159 He had this idea that he was going to be 317 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:54,799 in a bowler hat and like a nice suit instead 318 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:57,240 of dressed like a punk rocker rest of the time, 319 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,639 and was into this idea of there being an intellectual 320 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:06,400 motivation behind the darkness that he had. But he did 321 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,519 Psycho real well. 322 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: He did Psycho really well. 323 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: It kind of made the movie. 324 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely This guy's awesome. So Clancy Brown, you probably recognize 325 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,400 him as the bad cop Captain Hadley from The Shawshank Redemption. 326 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the unbelievable prick actually had the audacity act magnanimous 327 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:29,359 about it, right. He was also in Starship Troopers and 328 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,519 he was also I didn't know this. He's done a 329 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:35,519 lot of voice work, but he was Curterer in Thor Ragnarok, 330 00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:38,960 the big horned villain at the beginning the fights at 331 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,359 the end. That's Brown doing that part. 332 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: He's got a great voice, which is huge. 333 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:46,559 Speaker 1: Later on, I got a little secret thing that I'm 334 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:48,680 going to talk about with Thor Ragnarok and Flashboard a 335 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,160 little bit later on. But there's connection. There's always these connections, 336 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,920 and I got it coming up. Okay, awesome, awesome. So 337 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,400 William Panzer and Peter Davis have the script, they decide 338 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,799 they want to make some changes to it, and then 339 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:03,960 they decide, okay, now we've got to get a director 340 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,799 to direct it, right, And so they've got a list 341 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:09,960 of like twenty directors to look at, and somehow somebody 342 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,319 gives them this movie called Razorback, Razorback, Razorback, which is 343 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,680 an Australian movie that is basically Jaws in the Outback 344 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,240 with a giant Pig as the Shark. 345 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:26,519 Speaker 2: Sounds great, sounds great. 346 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: I've heard that it's one of those movies that you 347 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,119 just think this sounds like the biggest pilot crap, but 348 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,440 it is actually really pretty good. I want to go 349 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,680 see it. I've watched the trailer and I'm like, this 350 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:41,880 is actually interesting enough that I would go watch it. 351 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,519 I haven't seen it, but I can tell you also 352 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:46,519 the interviews that I heard, they said they watched the 353 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:48,920 first ten minutes of this movie and they said, that's 354 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:49,359 our guy. 355 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: This guy's name is Russell mckahey. 356 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Then they watched Deryan Duran's Hungry Like a Wolf and 357 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:59,079 they said, that is definitely our guy. 358 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:01,759 Speaker 2: This guy's known for music videos. 359 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: Right, and some that we've talked about in the past, 360 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,400 including Bonnie. 361 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,799 Speaker 2: Tyler totally Clips of the Heart, Totally Clips of the Heart. 362 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:13,319 Speaker 1: But he also did the very first video that appeared 363 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:16,839 on MTV by the Buggles. He's the one who directed 364 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:18,240 video Killed the Radio Star. 365 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: That is awesome. 366 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:36,799 Speaker 1: The third installment that we've talked about that he directed, yes, 367 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:41,160 was from our def Leppard episode Okay. He directed the 368 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,480 Pour Some Sugar on Me video. 369 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: The Pour Some Sugar On Me video. 370 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,599 Speaker 1: No, not that one, not that one. No, the first one, 371 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,440 the horrible was the one that directed that one where 372 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,880 they're in the old lady's house and you have the 373 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,400 random crowd of people I don't know, the wrecking ball 374 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,200 and the manly women. 375 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:01,519 Speaker 2: Yes, go back, flashback our Death Lepard Hysteria episode. Go 376 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:05,200 listen to us talk about that crazy, crappy video. And 377 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,599 then they said put that one in the trash, and 378 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,880 they made the one that we all know and. 379 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Love right that. He did not direct that one, but 380 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:13,039 he did direct Hungary Like the Wolf, and that was 381 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,559 enough to get him this job. 382 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: I mean, Hungry Like the Wolf was a great video. Yes, 383 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,279 did Betty Davis eyes, He did Wild Boys by director a. 384 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: Ton of Billy Joel videos, he was. And he did 385 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,440 some queen stuff too. 386 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:28,079 Speaker 2: He did Princess of the Universe. Yeah, I might as 387 00:20:28,079 --> 00:20:29,799 well just go direct the music video myself. 388 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: Right, and let's go ahead and have Freddie Mercury fights 389 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,920 with swords. Christopher Lambert, are you ready to jump into casting? 390 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:52,839 Speaker 2: Let's go into casting, all right, back to flashboard. There 391 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,960 is some connective tissue between these two movies. Okay, casting wise, Okay, 392 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,240 the number one draft choice to play the lead character 393 00:21:01,279 --> 00:21:01,960 in Flashboard. 394 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,559 Speaker 1: Number one draft choice for the quarterback for the New 395 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,359 York Jets. 396 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: That's right, and the number one draft choice to play 397 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,920 the Highlander in Highlander. 398 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: Yes, it was Kurt Russell. Both movies, both movies, both movies. 399 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,799 He was number one choice. 400 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: He was the number one choice. They offered him Flash Gordon, 401 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:19,559 and he turned it down. Yes, they offered him Highlander. 402 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: He accepted, and then Goldie Hahn said, your Scottish accent sucks. 403 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: No, I don't know what she said. Let's go make Overboard. 404 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,759 Speaker 1: Oh is that what happened? 405 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: That's what happened. 406 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:30,319 Speaker 1: She talked him out of it. 407 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,759 Speaker 2: Well, you know Goldiehan in nineteen eighty seven had some pool. 408 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that bikini in Overboard. 409 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: Yes, Hello, Arnold Schwarzenegger almost got the part as Splash Gordon. 410 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,519 Speaker 1: Can I just say something real quick? Yes on this topic. 411 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,000 In the movie Overboard, you have the perfect connection between 412 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,440 Fright Night and the Lost Boys because you have ed Herman, 413 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,240 who played Max and the Lost Boys on the same 414 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,839 ship with Roddy McDowell, who played. 415 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: Mister Vincent Vincent in Fright Night. That is incredible. I 416 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960 did not make that connection until just now. All right, 417 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,559 So Kurt Russell was supposed to be Flash Gordon. Sam J. 418 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,160 Jones got this because Dino de la Renzez's mom was 419 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,279 watching the dating game and there's this guy she thought 420 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,400 was really good looking. Sam J. Jones. 421 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, how does that conversation go. We're having trouble 422 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,960 finding an actor to play this part. Oh, you know what, 423 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,400 I saw a very handsome boy game. 424 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: You should give him a call. He's a very wholesome 425 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,519 American boy. How does a guy who's produced multiple movies go? Yeah, okay, 426 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,880 that's a good good idea, mom, good idea. So listen 427 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,960 to this. Arne Schwarzenegger, Uh huh didn't get the part 428 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,200 because he had an accent. 429 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: Yes, so let's just wait until he's a barbarian mister 430 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:45,079 Dino de la Reentez and make his accent part of 431 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:45,960 the character. I guess. 432 00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 433 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,279 Speaker 2: So he brought him back for Conan, right, and then 434 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:48,799 off he goes. 435 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:50,759 Speaker 1: Flash Gordon has to be an all American guy. 436 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Jeff Bridges and Harvey Kaitel were considered for the 437 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,880 role of Flashes. 438 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:01,039 Speaker 1: See that's fascinating because Highlander is largely influenced by the Duelists, 439 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,799 which is Ridley Scott's first movie about this continuing battle 440 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:09,279 of swords that happens, and Harvey Kaitel is one of 441 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:10,119 the main guys in them. 442 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: There you go. So when Dino brought in Sam J. Jones, 443 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,000 so before we get off of Sam J. Jones, he 444 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,559 brought him in, he didn't talk directly to him. He 445 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,680 just tucked around him. So it's like it was literally 446 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,279 like a model. Oh yes, turn around please, oh yes, okay, 447 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,119 And he was talking to his producer. He's like, yes, 448 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,960 I think this is our flesh. And let's face the 449 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Sam J. Jones, big strong, athletic looking dude. Yeah, I 450 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,559 mean he had he was a model. 451 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: He was a model. And and it's funny that you 452 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,480 say that because, like Mike Hodges, after the animosity that 453 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,480 developed over the shooting of this movie, at some point 454 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,480 it said to Dino de learned is why did you 455 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,839 why did you pick me to direct this? Like, you 456 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,599 know what what about my past made you? And he 457 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,720 and Dina de larn says, I like your face. 458 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,039 Speaker 2: Well, oddly enough, that was not the worst choice or 459 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:04,000 the weirdest choice that Dino Da LaRence has made while 460 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,720 casting Flash Gordon. Okay, okay, So while he is looking 461 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:13,319 for doctor Zarkoff, it came down to two guys. Topel, who. 462 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: Is this the Little Girl Life? 463 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,799 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Fiddler on the Roof to me? He is 464 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:25,319 also Colombo from forty Your Eyes Only. He is James 465 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:28,119 Bond guy, right, But he also wanted this guy named 466 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:28,920 Warren Oates. 467 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: You know him a wild bunch? 468 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,039 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but you probably know him better as Sergeant 469 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:34,000 Hulkin from Stripes. 470 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: Yes, uh, lighting up Francis. 471 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: And so they couldn't decide between Warren Oates and Topal. Yeah, 472 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:44,240 so they flipped a coin, like legitimately, Like he said, 473 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,680 I've made some of my best decisions by doing this flip. Topel, 474 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,960 You're in all right? Max von Sideal got the part 475 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:54,759 of ming the Merciless. 476 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: Yes, because he was a big fan of the comic 477 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,200 books growing up and he was excited to play this villain. 478 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 479 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. He had played Jesus Christ. 480 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: Yes. 481 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: Most people probably know hi from The Exorcist, right, he 482 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,640 was the priest and the Exorcist. Yeah, he actually plays 483 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,559 the devil in Needful Things. Oh yeah, he's one of 484 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:16,799 the few guys who's played Jesus and the devil in his. 485 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: Acting Chris interesting. 486 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he's being the merciless. One of the 487 00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:23,039 guys that they had originally looked at was Keith Carrodin. 488 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,279 Speaker 1: So Keith Carrodine was the other guy in the duelist 489 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,000 with Harvey Kitel. 490 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:32,599 Speaker 2: There you go, good job. Also considered for the role 491 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,319 of doctor Zarkov was Dennis Hopper kind of interesting. 492 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:37,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that had been weird. 493 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: This is the one that blows me away. Okay, now 494 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,279 before I say this, I believe that they really knocked 495 00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,720 it out of the park with casting on Flash Courton, Okay, Okay. 496 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:51,160 Sam J. Jones and Melody Anderson were if he leads yeah, 497 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:52,680 Topel home Run. 498 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Well, Melody Anderson got the part, like she didn't even 499 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,680 get the part. Initially it went to some sort of 500 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,799 swimsuit model, and then Dino de la Reentis, in his 501 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,799 normal style, was like, Nope, I changed my mind. Let's 502 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,319 get this other girl. And she literally they called her 503 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,720 and said can you come to London tonight. 504 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: She says she felt like she was kidnapped. 505 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,599 Speaker 1: Yes, Like She's like, I've got a v show phone 506 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,200 call and now I'm on a plane and now my 507 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:20,759 hair is getting dyed and we're starting production. 508 00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:22,759 Speaker 2: Which we got to talk about that real quick. Sam J. 509 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,440 Jones has brown hair. They bleached it blonde. Melody Anderson 510 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,559 has blonde hair. Yep, they colored it brown. 511 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: Yes. 512 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: Continuing on with that thought, Max fun Side Ol awesome. 513 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: Yes. Peter Wininguard Wineguard was played. 514 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: He was awesome. 515 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: Yes, had to learn how to throw his voice like 516 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,200 a ventriloquist because the mask was so heavy that that 517 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,839 set designer decided to make he choose. 518 00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: The scenery like crazy Clitus does. 519 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: Awesome, he really does. 520 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,279 Speaker 2: Timothy Dalton future James Bond Oh, Yeah, playing an Errol 521 00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:58,200 Flynn like character. Yes, Prince Baron, he was amazing. 522 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,519 Speaker 1: Yes, but the best has to be Yes. 523 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,519 Speaker 2: Brian Blessed as Prince Bultan. 524 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 4: Gordon's Live Gordon's. 525 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:17,079 Speaker 2: Flying Blind on a rocket cycle. Everything he says is 526 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,279 over the top and amazing. 527 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: Okay, so I gotta say something about that, right. So 528 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,680 he said, when he was a kid, this is the 529 00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:29,160 character that he would play as a kid when they 530 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,640 played Flash Gordon out in the Field or whatever. He 531 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,440 would always be this guy. And so whenever he found 532 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,400 out they were making the movie, he went to them 533 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,960 and said, you are going to cast me in this part. 534 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,119 He said, I will break your back, I will break 535 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,559 your butt, I will cut off your you will put 536 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:49,720 me in this movie. 537 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: And it worked. 538 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,559 Speaker 1: They put him in the movie. 539 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,079 Speaker 2: Oh well, who wants to live forever? Even like when 540 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,680 he's like muted, like like Volta and we're gonna kill 541 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,480 your daughter if you don't bow to me, He's like, 542 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:10,839 hell I Ming, like okay, fine. You know who else 543 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,480 was freaking amazing in her role? Or Nella Muti as 544 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,880 Ming's daughter, Princess Aura. Yes, and I don't know if I'm 545 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,920 even saying her name right. 546 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: She is. 547 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,079 Speaker 2: Literally she's playing the sexiest person in the universe. 548 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,319 Speaker 1: And she was appropriately. 549 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,039 Speaker 2: She is the sexiest person in the verse. I was 550 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:31,960 seven years old and I. 551 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: Was like a very very high and speaking of kids 552 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,880 and their reaction, we we talked to Caleb, like Caleb 553 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,279 my eleven year old, Yes, and he had watched both 554 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,000 of these movies with me, and you get and so 555 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:47,960 you're talking to him and you said, what was your 556 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,759 favorite part? And he goes, I think it was when 557 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:54,839 he was communicating telepathically, and then all of a sudden, 558 00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:57,000 he went, Wow, this girl's really turning me on. 559 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: She's a smart boy. So that's the cast. I mean, 560 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,799 we're talking Sam J. Jones, Melody Anderson, Mary Angela Mulatto 561 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,240 as General Kalla. Yes, she everything she says is over 562 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:13,519 the top, like Brian, she said, what do you mean 563 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,759 Flash Gordon approaching open fire? 564 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: And we had Richard O'Brien, the guy who played riff 565 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,079 Raff in The Rocky Horror Picture Show, which he wrote, 566 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,839 Yeah is and by the way, teaser for upcoming episodes. 567 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,839 We will be covering the Rocky Horror Picture Show this 568 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,000 season or next. 569 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,759 Speaker 2: Yes, we can't wait for that. That's gonna be awesome. 570 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:37,319 He plays a character called Fiico. 571 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:37,839 Speaker 1: Yep. 572 00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,319 Speaker 2: And actually in The Rocky Horror Picture Show, I believe 573 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,119 it's the opening song they mentioned Flash Gordon in the lyrics. 574 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,519 Speaker 1: There was another guy this is. This is kind of 575 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,599 an interesting, interesting one. Philip Stone played the High Priest. 576 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,920 He was also the guy in the shining that was terrifying. 577 00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,079 Speaker 2: Yes, he was the guy that was encouraging Jet to discipline. 578 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:02,559 Speaker 4: Yes man. 579 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: By the way, just as a side note, there's a 580 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,319 lot of Bond connections here. 581 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean, let's do Sean Connery connections because we're about 582 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,240 to talk to Sean Connery getting cast in Highlander in 583 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:18,799 just a second. Yes, So Timothy Dalton auditioned to play 584 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,960 the part of James Bond replacing Sean Connery. He just 585 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,680 didn't get it. 586 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: George Lazimbie got it. Timothy Dalton was like twenty three 587 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,480 to twenty four. Yeah, they decided maybe a little too young. Yeah, 588 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:31,240 So they came back to him in eighty seven and 589 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,440 he was a great Bond right, hit some less than 590 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,880 stellar scripts to deal with, but I thought he was 591 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:37,519 really good. 592 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 593 00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,359 Speaker 2: Okay, so here you go, here's some Bond connections for you. 594 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,680 Flash Gordon Wise all right, Max vun side Al plays 595 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,440 Blofeld and Never Say Never Again. Timothy Dalton, of course 596 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,880 plays James Bond in The Living Daylights and Licensed to Kill. 597 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:51,279 Speaker 1: Yep. 598 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: Okay, look very closely, you gotta look super quick. Okay, 599 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:59,880 there's a guy loading Flash and Dale Arden's luggage on 600 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,279 the playing at the very beginning of the movie. Okay, 601 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,920 do you know what I'm talking about. There is a 602 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,319 guy who's loading their luggage and literally he's. 603 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,079 Speaker 4: Like, here you go, sir, uh huh. 604 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,839 Speaker 1: You know it's his whole line? 605 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: Yes, A j Mister Hermann all he does is load luggage. 606 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,440 That's Robbie Coltrane. He ends up playing Hagrid in the 607 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:23,319 Harry Potter movies. Okay, and he plays he plays Valentine 608 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:27,359 and the World Is Not Enough and GoldenEye. He's like 609 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,880 a James Bond bad guy and he's in the freaking 610 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,400 Harry Potter movies. Hey, Topel plays Colombo in For Your 611 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,079 Eys Only. Yeah, so there you go. 612 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: So moving on to casting of Highlander. Okay, so we've 613 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,279 got Russell mckahey directing. They can't get Kurt Russell to 614 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:47,920 be the part, right, they have some other ideas. Do 615 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,160 you can you tell me who? They said, yes, go. 616 00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:50,839 Speaker 4: Ahead, yes. 617 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: So the person who nearly got the part was Mel Gibson. 618 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: Yes, which has been very interesting given this the Scottish Highlands. 619 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:02,039 Speaker 2: If mel Gibson had done, would we have got Braveheart? 620 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: Probably not? 621 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,039 Speaker 2: No way, right, right? Mark Singer remember him the beast 622 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:10,519 Master himself? Oh right, They wanted him. They also asked 623 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,880 or thought about Michael Douglas, Ed Harris, Sam Shephard, David Keith, 624 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,039 Kevin Costner, Scott Glenn and Sting. 625 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,759 Speaker 1: Right Sting, who had just a little while before done 626 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:28,960 the movie The Bride, which had a Clancy Brown. They 627 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,960 also wanted Sting to do music too. 628 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so the Queen wasn't their first choice for Highlander. 629 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,039 They wanted either Duran Duran Russell McKay, right, Duran Duran 630 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:39,960 Sting or David Bowie. 631 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,599 Speaker 1: Right. Well, we'll talk more about that in a minute 632 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,279 when we get to the soundtrack. Yes, right, okay, So 633 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,920 they can't get any of those guys, right. Russell McKay 634 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,160 is sitting there flipping through a magazine and he comes 635 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,960 across a picture of Christopher Lambert. I asked my we 636 00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,640 were talking about this because he was Christopher Lambert, right 637 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,559 for me? Right? But then you were like, I think 638 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,960 it's Christopher Lambert. And so I asked my neighbor, who's French. 639 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:07,559 I was like, how do you pronounce this name? And 640 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:11,359 he's like Lombert. I was like, long, Lombert, Lombert, and 641 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,759 he's like, yes, Lombert. And I was like, okay, yeah, 642 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:14,720 nobody's pronouncing that. 643 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,279 Speaker 2: Right, Christopher Lombard. 644 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:19,279 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna call him Christopher Lambert. I call him 645 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,519 Christopher Lambert. So he had been in his first English 646 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,680 speaking movie just recently, called Gray Stoke, which was about Tarzan. 647 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:27,319 Speaker 2: He plays. 648 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:32,319 Speaker 1: He plays Tarzan, right, and in the movie they picked 649 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,160 him this is surprising because of his myopia, not because 650 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,960 they wanted a guy who couldn't see, but the fact 651 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,200 that he couldn't see caused him to have this like 652 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,480 a thousand yard very deep intense stare, like through the 653 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,480 top of his eyes. And they just thought it looked cool. 654 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had this piercing stare. Yeah, because he can't 655 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:53,119 see anything. 656 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: Right, So Russell mkay. He sees him in this magazine 657 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680 doing this intense stare that is really just a result 658 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,880 of his almost blindness, and decides, hey, this should be 659 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,400 our guy. 660 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: That's hilarious. You know. You mentioned that. And one of 661 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,920 the things that they talked about during the filming. They 662 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,920 would have these long battle scenes in Scotland. They would 663 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,039 press the hill and they'd be like, cut, tell Christopher 664 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:22,320 to take his freaking glasses off. He couldn't see anything. 665 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,360 He was totally blind. 666 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 3: And they did all of the sword fights. They did 667 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,880 all of the sword fights, and he didn't get hurt 668 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,840 until part two. Right, that's amazing. Yeah, I mean that's 669 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,320 amazing himself. But he had been trained. I got this 670 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:36,719 a little bit for you, right. 671 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,199 Speaker 1: Yes, he had been trained by this guy named Bob Anderson, 672 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,119 who was a Canadian Olympic gold medalist in fencing. He 673 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,480 did the sword work for The Princess Bride, which is 674 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,000 the best sword fight in cinema history in my opinion. 675 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,920 He did the Mask of Zoro, he did the Lord 676 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,360 of the Rings. And here's your here's another James Bond connection. 677 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,559 He did Die another Day. Okay, but you're ready for this. Yeah, 678 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,599 he's got a small speaking part in Empire Strikes Back. 679 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:09,239 But that isn't the coolest thing. The coolest thing is 680 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,440 he was Darth Vader during all of the lightsaber fights 681 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,360 in Empire strikes Back. Yes, of the Jedi, that is awesome. 682 00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:22,000 This is the guy that trained Christopher Lambert how a 683 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,000 sword fight. So the small speaking part that he had 684 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,119 in Empire Strikes Back, he is the guy at Echo Station. 685 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,480 His character's name is Trey Callum and he says, we've 686 00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:38,519 spotted the Imperial Walkers. All right, that's Bob Anderson. Sweet. 687 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,960 I think playing Darth Vader is way sweeter though. Yes, yes, 688 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:47,079 So they call up Christopher Lambert's agent, who says, yes, 689 00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,360 he's six to two and of course he speaks English, right, 690 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,920 he does, right, And so they go to meet him 691 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,920 and she's doing all the interpretation for him at the table, 692 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,960 like they're like, oh crap, we are screwed. This guy 693 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,559 doesn't speak like when he said when he says hello, 694 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,440 how are you are? You know, it's very very heavy 695 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,440 French yes accent, which to me it never bothered me 696 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,079 a bit. It's kind of like it's kind of like 697 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,880 Mel Gibson in Brave Heart. The fact that his accent 698 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,840 wasn't spot on is okay because he lived in a 699 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,440 bunch of different places. You talk, funny, Nash, where are 700 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,360 you from? Lots of different places? Yeah, yeah, okay, he's 701 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,840 been a live for four hundred years. He's going to 702 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,760 have a weird way of talking. 703 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. But here's my problem. Okay, I mean I love Highlander, 704 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,239 don't get me wrong. But the actors who played the policeman, 705 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,400 they auditioned American actors who are living in England, and 706 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,119 they rejected them because they had acquired too much of 707 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,079 an English accent. And McLeod had lived in the United 708 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:49,480 States for four hundred years and he still can't be understood. 709 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,559 Speaker 3: That can be only one he I understood him perfectly. 710 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 2: So Ramirez. They land Sean Connery himself as here is 711 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:06,000 the Egyptian Spaniard. Yes, he is the world's most famous 712 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,960 scott just making a Highlander. 713 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,159 Speaker 1: Yes right, yep, but that wasn't now the script was written, 714 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,760 but his sp his Spanish accent was on perfectly. He 715 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,559 worked so well, yeah, you give him my God because 716 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,400 it's wrong. Right. So here's a guy we're talking about, 717 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,280 Sean Connery, who when's the last time he lived in Scotland? Right, 718 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:26,920 he does it. He still has a Scottish accent, so 719 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,079 don't give me this. Well, he's been he's been in 720 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:30,840 America all this time. He's going to have an American 721 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,000 accent by now. Well, Sean Connery didn't. 722 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: Okay, fair, fair, right, And by the way, the only 723 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480 reason he took this is because they air shooting schedule 724 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,840 was in Scotland. Where are we going Scotland. 725 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,079 Speaker 1: I'm in the million dollar paycheck for one week's worth 726 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:46,440 of seven probably days. 727 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 2: Isn't hurt seven days? 728 00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he was at the end of that 729 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,360 seven days like if they went over, they had to 730 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,800 pay him extra bill and he's like, you're not going 731 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,440 to make the cut to Russell and like, Russell McKay 732 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,320 ten minutes before his time, ran out said it's a 733 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:02,920 rap for you. 734 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 2: This is what he did. So he's like, oh crap, 735 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,239 we'll right out of time. He's like, all right, Sean, 736 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,360 look to your left, all right, look pissed, all right, 737 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,800 now look up now, look down now, look happy? Now 738 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,679 looks sad. It's a rap, and he goes you bost it. 739 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,639 So here's a couple other names I got for you. Okay, 740 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,320 these are the names that were considered for Ramirez. Okay, 741 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,440 they got Sean Connery. 742 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean it was written for Sean Connery. Yeah, it 743 00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,679 was written with him in mind. Yes, the Egyptian spaniard. 744 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,360 Let's get the world's most famous scott Okay. 745 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 2: But they looked at Lee Van Cleeve, Clint Eastwood, Clint Eastwood, 746 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,039 are you kidding me? Malcolm McDowell, Gene Hackman, Michael. 747 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,639 Speaker 1: Cain, and Peter O'Toole. Malcolm McDowell I think would have 748 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:45,280 been probably my favorite of those that. 749 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 2: Would pretty good. 750 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:46,159 Speaker 1: Right. 751 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 2: All right, here's the other thing. Heather McLeod, who is 752 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,400 his love interest in Scotland, and his wife fifteen yeah, 753 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,480 his wife, yes, right, Virginia Madison auditioned for that role. 754 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,639 Speaker 1: Okay, she didn't, right. 755 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 2: She shows up later in Highlander two the Quickening. 756 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, you told me about her. I forgot 757 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,239 about that. 758 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 2: She's the best part of Highlander to the quick Is 759 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,400 there a part of that movie? That's it. That's the 760 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:14,360 that's the end of it. 761 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: Right there. You haven't watched that movie. 762 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 2: I did watch the movie for this podcast. I watched 763 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,079 Highlander two. 764 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,119 Speaker 1: You're not getting paid enough money. 765 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,639 Speaker 2: All right, listen, let's just talk honestly about Highlander two 766 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,360 for a second. Okay, in all honesty, I told you 767 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,159 I saw Highlander two first in the theater. 768 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: This is why you don't like Highlander one as much 769 00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:34,000 as you should. 770 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 2: Okay, well maybe so. But I remember sitting in a theater. 771 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,960 I'm like, man, this is crap. This this just sucks. 772 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,559 But my wife, who had watched Highlander and loved it 773 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:47,519 because it's this action packed love story, she was like hurt, 774 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,320 like cut to the bone, because this movie sucks so bad. Yeah, 775 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,280 and then I was like, well, this stupid sci fi 776 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,320 movie is just dumb. 777 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: Right. 778 00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 2: Well, then I watched the original Highlander. I'm like, okay, 779 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,400 I get it. They undercut it. They absolutely undercut it. 780 00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: I have never seen it. I will never see it. 781 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,320 When I heard that it was coming out, I was excited. Yes, 782 00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:11,360 and then somebody I knew went and saw it and 783 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,519 they said and they came and they told me. They're like, yeah, 784 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,440 they're supposed to be Aliens. And I was like, I 785 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,679 will never see that movie. 786 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. 787 00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: It ruins everything good about Highlander. It ruins it. 788 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,079 Speaker 2: Yes, it does. 789 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: And the ideally apparently number three like just acts like 790 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,760 number two didn't exist, right, smart move. 791 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and then I want to talk about the 792 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:41,440 role of Brenda for a second. 793 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:45,119 Speaker 4: Okay, okay. 794 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 2: Brenda was played by this actress named Roxanne Heart. Yes, 795 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,880 I don't recognize her from anything. I think she's been 796 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,360 in Chicago Hope or she. 797 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,039 Speaker 1: Was in The Verdict with Paul Newman, which was a 798 00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,440 big court drama in the early eighties. 799 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been in some stuff. 800 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. They actually got her because she was a stage 801 00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:06,159 actress and so they saw her in a play that 802 00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:06,559 she was in. 803 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 2: I thought she was fantastic. 804 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,079 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, great. 805 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 2: Her character is a little bit goofy to me. That's 806 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,320 one of the flaws that the New York Police department 807 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,280 has a sword expert at their beck and call, ready 808 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,760 to handle all sword forensic problems. 809 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,039 Speaker 1: Forensic scientist. 810 00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 2: She is a sword expert. 811 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: She's both. 812 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,639 Speaker 2: Because there are such things. 813 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,679 Speaker 1: I'm an attorney, I'm a guitarist. I'm a podcaster. You 814 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,880 can't put me in a box. 815 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:44,079 Speaker 2: Bro She's a forensic genius and super sworded expert. Yes, okay, fine, fine, but. 816 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:48,119 Speaker 1: She was a She was a perfect casting because she 817 00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:53,599 could play intelligent. Yes, she is pretty without being overwhelmingly so. 818 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 2: I thought she was very attractive. 819 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,199 Speaker 1: By the way. Speaking of super sexy attractive women, us 820 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:07,480 back to flashborn Christopher Lambert's love interest for several years 821 00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:10,840 like twenty Sophie Marceau, who of course was the princess 822 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,840 in Braveheart. Sorry yes, and also. 823 00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: A bonder heck yeah, the world is not enough. 824 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: Speaking of other hot girls, Dino Dealer Entis's granddaughter. 825 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 2: Freaking Jiatta Oh my gosh, majors. Yeah, and she can cook. 826 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: That makes her major majors. 827 00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,199 Speaker 2: All right, so we've cover Oh no, no, no, So Roxanne 828 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,519 Heart was chosen over Brook Adams, Rosanna Arquette Jennifer Beals. 829 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:38,599 Speaker 1: Brook Adams had gotten the part. Brook Adams got the 830 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:39,639 part and fell through. 831 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:40,679 Speaker 4: Is that right? 832 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,599 Speaker 1: Yeah? And Roxanne Hart was there to jump into the place. 833 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,639 Speaker 2: And I told you Brook Adams is a whole lot 834 00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:51,639 on for me. Also, they wanted Tanya Roberts okay, and 835 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,639 she passed to do of you do kill? 836 00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: Okay? 837 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 2: How about that? 838 00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: Nice? 839 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,639 Speaker 2: All right? That's casting for Highlander. 840 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So just another quick character. So Lieutenant Frank Moran, 841 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:08,599 the kind of chief inspector, is played by Alan North, 842 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,880 who was Dreben's partner in the Police Squad series that 843 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,519 led to. 844 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,519 Speaker 2: Nake a Gun. Yep, Wow, that's awesome. 845 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: You know. 846 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 2: One of the things you mentioned was some of the 847 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,039 deleted scenes, but there are a bunch of scenes that 848 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,159 were filmed for Highlander, including I think one major scene 849 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,280 with castigear. Yeah, like McLeod's friend. Yes, all those were 850 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,920 filmed and then lost in a warehouse fire. 851 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:34,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, they cut them. They were supposed to be I 852 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,559 believe it is a Japanese immortal and he was working 853 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:40,800 in some office complex and there were supposed to be 854 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,199 and there was this big fight that they filmed between 855 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,199 him and the Kurgan but he was using two swords. 856 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,880 He was using the two sword samurai technique. Look like 857 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,199 it might have been good, but all we have left 858 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:52,880 is photographs. 859 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:53,639 Speaker 2: That's too bad. 860 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 4: It's too bad. 861 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,599 Speaker 2: Here's the last bit of information I'm want to give 862 00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:57,760 to you. Okay, you ready for this? 863 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: Yes, this is going to blow your mind. You're ready 864 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,000 for this. Yes. 865 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 2: According to this particular actor, he was offered the part 866 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,000 of Connor McLeod okay, but he turned it down to 867 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:12,880 focus on his wrestling career. Hulk Hogan, Ladies and Gentlemen 868 00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,840 says that he was offered the part of Connor McLoud. 869 00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that. That's 870 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,920 not possible. He might have been the Kergan. 871 00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 3: He might. 872 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: Oh, he'd have been in the wrestling scene at the beginning. 873 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:26,000 That's what they offered him. He was gonna fight the 874 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,400 fabulous free bird. 875 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:32,519 Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan, Ladies and Gentlemen. 876 00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: No, I don't know that. I'm not going for that. 877 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,719 I don't think I'm gonna buy that. Okay, Okay, all right, 878 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,639 so we don't. 879 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,519 Speaker 2: Cast, don't casting? 880 00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: All right, both movies? 881 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 2: All right, now we're onto the movie movie ready for production. Yes, okay, guys, 882 00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:46,840 that is the end of part one. 883 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: Join us next week. 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