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Speaker 1: So let's talk about something put these two together. So

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Hawkeye season two, Uh, we got some mixed stuff going

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on here. So this is not a room, not anything

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like that, a seat or anything like that. Jeremy Renner

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said that he was on deck to do season two,

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but then they offered him half when he got paid

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for season one, so that has, you know, subsequently stalled

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the show. But then there's been rumors that they've talked

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about just going on without them. And then this is

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like similar to stuff we've been talking about tonight, but

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just want to bring in where there is a report

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that Vision is going to be the last show that's

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going to feature a major like movie character in the future.

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This was something the previous report, but I kept to

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hear that they didn't say live action, but I'm assuming

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live action that Marvel from now and wants to keep

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it to only one to two Disney plus Marvel shows

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a year, and they want to be secluded stories, so

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something like Daredevil or even like Werewolf by Night stuff

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like that, and they want to be smaller characters again,

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So what are your.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts here in this Hawkeye business?

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Speaker 1: So Jeremy rennerd just out on the outs and hey,

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I want to come back to they offer me app

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and then what do you think about now? That sounds

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like the we're still gonna get shows, but it's gonna

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be a few and far in between.

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Speaker 2: And it sounds like they're gonna you're not.

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Speaker 1: Gonna get what we did before was like oh Loki

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and Cap and you know Wanda. It sounds like Vision's

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gonna be the last of that era of movie show

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like movie characters be on TV.

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Speaker 3: I'm totally okay with them cutting back on the movie

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show or movie characters to the TV show characters and

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crossing those two worlds together. I'm okay with them cutting

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back on that. I don't need that to be as

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religious as it may as may have been in the past.

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Pick one and let that be the one that you

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the hell you die on.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: As for what was the first half of that question,

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the Renner, Yes, the Renner. So I watched that interview

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and it was just interesting here because he was on

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the like a podcast or something like that, and he

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was talking about it when he got the information, like, oh,

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they want to pay me half, and he just he

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takes a good shot at Disney when he's like whatever, am,

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I am, I I'm half a man? Is that what

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they're paying me for it? But it's worth it to

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note how he how he says this as well, It

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wasn't It's not like it's Disney, right, It's it's it's

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people that are above like, yeah, exactly. So it's people

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that are above that. Again, the people in suits, you know,

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the ones that are like investors and stuff like that.

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So it's not Marvel, it's not people that are on

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the team. It's not Figy or anything like that. But

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I hope that because of that it if they wanted

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to bring in Clint as a character, then I imagine

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that's because Figy sees there being an important kind of

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trajectory for that character and how to steer the overall narrative.

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and and whatnot, then I hope fig can like look

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at it and kind of address I'm not saying that

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they're gonna figure out a way to get uh, Jeremy

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Renner back in, but I just think that it's it's

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interesting that this had happened, and hopefully people that hold

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a lot of Pole at Marvel can take that tip

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to uh the upstairs and really hammer out some of

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the stupidity of it, because I mean, he's he's a

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seasoned he's an og Avengers member, and I get you know.

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Speaker 1: Unless they're not that bothered by it, unless they're like,

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all right, whatever, right, like we we talked about it,

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it's like a romanticized like, oh, original Avenger, I'm sure

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five you want that. But what if it's like, yeah,

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scaling back. What if they're like, Okay, if you're gonna

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do a Hawk Eye season two, you get it for

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this much money and they go to Renner and say, hey,

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this is what we got. Take it or leave it

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because they because like imagine the money they don't pay him.

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Speaker 2: I think now more than ever is.

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Speaker 1: The time to with her after Sinners, because you talk about,

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like everyone if you've seen the movie, and if you

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haven't seen the movie, you used to know. There's a

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few explicit scenes that she has that have been I

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feel like the algorithm on my.

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Speaker 1: Up the conversation she has with Smokes both at the

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dance and in the transitation about the thing she says.

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And I feel like Hayley Seinfel in general is always

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very popular, but I think this is the most popular

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Speaker 2: Is where he capitalized.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that, oh, yeah, Kevin Fie, he

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was like all fuck him, because yeah, I could just

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be purely hey, this all we have to offer, and

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, that would be a let's

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say there was a conspiracy theory in my mind, if

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they didn't want to really have rentered, like they weren't

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bothered by it, what's the easiest way, Well, just off

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from half, you know, like like because then it's like, well,

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reduced amount. If he says no, then whatever, move along.

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didn't say his interview. We don't know when this happened, right,

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just be dead in general, or maybe it's a situation

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Speaker 2: Where Okay, this we're gonna pay.

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Speaker 1: You, and like if Visions, like does that count if

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to me? If like Vision's the last show, well, like

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we're talking about the stories together, it's like, well, then

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season two with Renner, that would be another major movie

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character in a sense, right, doing that show again where

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Speaker 2: I think it fits. But I also, as much as

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Speaker 1: Clint barn a lot more than other people, both in

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comics of the movies, I do want him to come back.

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I like that idea of the Raid storyline they were pitching.

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story that is just secluded by itself. But then also

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next year with Manulin and Grogu. But I had made

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that comparison where even with the shows we talked about

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from the movies, because it's people that have established brand.

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like people just they know them now, but they didn't

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and they missed it, or that show didn't interest them

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it's smart to keep them separate. I think it's kind

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of like a if you want to see these people,

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you have to pay for them, and that's why what

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see how Mandalarn Grogu does next year, because I wonder

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if even for Star Wars, if people feel, oh, I

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can watch Grogu at home. I got three seasons of Grogu.

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Manuari in season four and they just turned into movie

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like Majana and difference to prefer me with Mwana is

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Speaker 1: There's lots of Manuel Learn and Grogu, right, so let's see, uh,

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pat Patrick says uh or Patrick says uh. Frankly, Hawkeye

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had been the least impactful Avengers of the original six.

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and that's not Scargo's fault. That's the way the movie is. Like,

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I don't think Scargial got anything. And again it's the

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way the character's written. The endgame opening when Clint's hanging

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out with his family and they go missing. We never

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Speaker 1: The twins and getting Scarlett which to become an Avenger

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and talking about like how bad things can be. Or

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at the end that mission when he lays down and

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he's beside dead Quicksilver and it's just such a sad,

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depressing thing where it's like, for like a minute's kind

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of like his proge where like what's Black Widow's Storylineuage

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of Ultron's like, well, I'm a monster too, I can't

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Speaker 1: So for me, I'd have to disagree as far as

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like what I agree importance wise, right, importance wise and

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overhall universe. Yeah black Widow because she fucking sacrificed herself

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with a soulstone.

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it's like, Oh, we're gonna do the streaming shows and

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everything's gonna be connected yet and oh, we're gonna have

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so much on streaming. And now it's like, oh, companies

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are pulling back on streaming and making sure things theatrical

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like a Mwanatu or Manlar and grogu right, and now

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it's like, well, we're gonna get back to doing TV shows,

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but they're gonna be smaller budget and they're not really

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gonna be connected to the main overall story, like just

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like Jessica Jones, just like Daredevil. So my only sadness

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of this is, man, I'm gonna be really bummed if

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Charlie Cox finally got to MCU he's on Disney Plus

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and if because they're doing this whole like, well we

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want TV shows the movies to be separate. If he

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never ends up in the movies, man, what a bummer.

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Like both times, this guy just fucking misses out and

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like teaming up with people you know, like throwing a bomb.

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They gonna be Avenger so, and then our last stories

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for the night here