Speaker 1: What's up, good people.
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Speaker 2: again without our regular drops. I swear I'm gonna get
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Speaker 2: everything back to normal. Anyways, we're once again not live
Speaker 2: because Speaker hates us. But whatever, we're day late. But
Speaker 2: there hasn't really been any football this week, so it's
Speaker 2: not like you missed much. And considering there were two
Speaker 2: major coaching hires today, we actually pretty much waited for
Speaker 2: the perfect time. As always, I'm joined by everyone's favorite
Speaker 2: NFL ticket operator, the quietest loud guy, uh, your draft analysis,
Speaker 2: your draft analysts, favorite draft analyst, UH, the man with
Speaker 2: no shortage of names.
Speaker 1: Kenny Saint James Barry. But not all y'all can call
Speaker 1: me Kenned.
Speaker 2: There's nothing, there's nothing Kenny likes more than an impromptu
Speaker 2: extended intro for no reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you feel good. I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, not all y'all can call me. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: assume you're a first name, and you've never goned me
Speaker 1: by my first name. That's crazy, that's disrespectful almost, Isn't
Speaker 1: that funny how that flipped? Weird? Kids? Everybody like you
Speaker 1: got called a nickname. You're like, I don't like that,
Speaker 1: and then you realize I actually liked that nickname. And
Speaker 1: now it's like everybody gets called everything but their name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much identify as everything but Kenned. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be anybody for me, but be
Speaker 1: me that she will be lame. All right, Well, rest
Speaker 1: in peace, good rest in peace to a legend. Those
Speaker 1: are those of you, those of you who remember, if
Speaker 1: you do remember that two step infamous DJ. I don't
Speaker 1: know why the hell I'm figuring his name right now,
Speaker 1: isn't it dj unk or dj unk? Yes? DJ rest
Speaker 1: in peace? He was forty three, he passed, he died today,
Speaker 1: infamous and that was a local song, Like he had
Speaker 1: two local songs that went global and he's gone now
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five is not playing. They're not really caring
Speaker 1: what happens. People are just going. But yeah, that song
Speaker 1: is like the soundtrack to my my young adult adolescent life.
Speaker 1: Had to walk it out of my room earlier too.
Speaker 1: It was. It's kind of sad, but yeah, recipees to
Speaker 1: a legend from Atlanta, A real one we don't talk
Speaker 1: enough about. They talk about the one hit Wonders, But
Speaker 1: like Bro, they kept the streets hot, they kept the
Speaker 1: club like, they kept people in the clubs. Like for
Speaker 1: all the shit that gen zers give millennials, you sure
Speaker 1: do love our music. You sure to get turned up
Speaker 1: to our music. You sure to make bad life choices
Speaker 1: and give us bastard siblings to that same music that
Speaker 1: you swear that. Uh you're like, this is terrible, but
Speaker 1: you danced to it. You shook ass to it. You
Speaker 1: gave us stepsisters and step brothers to that same music. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, the entire Confessions album. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just have to say that rest in peace. We lost
Speaker 1: a couple of people this year, all right.
Speaker 2: Moving on to the coaching hires, A bunch that happened already. Uh,
Speaker 2: the latest one just dropped a couple hours ago. The
Speaker 2: Cowboys hire their offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer as head coach.
Speaker 1: Six.
Speaker 2: I really have no idea where this came from I
Speaker 2: don't understand how you fire Mike McCarthy, a super Bowl
Speaker 2: winning coach, only to hire one of his minions, an
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator who have been fired kind of disastrously at
Speaker 2: his last two places with the Jets and the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't really know what the Cowboys are doing.
Speaker 2: Hope Jerry Jones is not losing his mind, it doesn't
Speaker 2: have dementia and doesn't end up getting the Wendy Williams
Speaker 2: slash say treatment.
Speaker 1: That you're gonna get us thrown into a black site.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going to Texas tomorrow. I need you
Speaker 1: to not like just say that, but yeah, thoughts on
Speaker 1: the shot and hummer hi, I mean, good for him?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Say? No, it's not like
Speaker 1: he was ever gonna get another job anywhere else. Like literally,
Speaker 1: this is like unless he's another Jason Witton, I mean Jason, Uh,
Speaker 1: We'll still Jason. Why I'm not winning Garrett? Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: feels like another Jason Garrett situation where really he's just
Speaker 1: a head coach and title and that's it because it's
Speaker 1: still Jerry show. I don't know who is defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: is gonna be. But you gotta you got a team
Speaker 1: that's built pretty good. They got guiding in the first round.
Speaker 1: They've rebuilt that offensive line. You don't even talk about
Speaker 1: Tyrone Smith anymore. Like across the board. They've rebuilt that
Speaker 1: offensive line. They've rebuilt the defensive line. They just have
Speaker 1: to pay Micah. Their corners have to get healthy, you know,
Speaker 1: Darran Bland, Trayvon Diggs. They might sign more in the offseason,
Speaker 1: TCU safety. You know. I just think Jerry doesn't want
Speaker 1: to blow this up. I mean, look how old he is,
Speaker 1: Like you signed Dak, You're in this till the wheels
Speaker 1: fall off. So I would say, yes, this is a
Speaker 1: weird hire. I mean, but also you want to you
Speaker 1: don't want a big name. You just want a guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna get the job done.
Speaker 2: I wonder what he said in the meeting of what
Speaker 2: he would do different than McCarthy.
Speaker 1: To really kind of swade Jones. He probably was told him.
Speaker 2: Like like, he probably told him he's gonna just listen
Speaker 2: to him more.
Speaker 1: Honestly. He made Rico a star player this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: but the running back death was the steps back. The
Speaker 1: running back room looked like trash going into the season,
Speaker 1: the Henrico became a star player for the Cowboys offense
Speaker 1: so much so they cut Zeke so that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, like the all the OC kept that
Speaker 1: offense going with Cooper Rush and Dack out, So it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm the one thing holding I'm the one thing holding
Speaker 1: the offense together. I guess let me have the full reigns.
Speaker 1: We can be more aggressive. We can do things to
Speaker 1: actually help this defense. You know, they Cowboys don't need
Speaker 1: a quarterback. They could just take genty or they could
Speaker 1: just take you know, Eye Blue Carder. They could literally
Speaker 1: just load. They could strengthen their defense and then just
Speaker 1: build the rest of the team through the draft. And
Speaker 1: I think you probably if you're a guy like that
Speaker 1: like Shottenheimer, like, look, who my dad is. I made
Speaker 1: a name for myself outside of my father. The league
Speaker 1: kind of owed the shot and Hunter family. Let's be real,
Speaker 1: I mean been around the league for a while. Yeah
Speaker 1: on that, But I'm just saying, like, your dad got
Speaker 1: fired after going fourteen and two and never coached again,
Speaker 1: and then he eventually passed, he eventually died. The league
Speaker 1: owed the Shottenheiner family was old one, same way. Shanahan
Speaker 1: finally got it right, Like I'm not gonna hate because
Speaker 1: you know, the man elevated. Good for him. There were
Speaker 1: much better candidates. But Jerry wants what Jerry wants, and
Speaker 1: whatever vision he pitched. I think that's what Schottenheimer did.
Speaker 1: So good for him for keeping the OC job and
Speaker 1: getting the head coaching job.
Speaker 2: I would have I mean, I would have went with
Speaker 2: more personally. I mean, but you he's he's in Philly.
Speaker 2: Why would you go back? Why would you leave as
Speaker 2: the O C. You didn't they didn't.
Speaker 1: Want, they didn't want you to be a head coach
Speaker 1: the first time? Why would you. I'm not gonna live.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put myself in a position where you
Speaker 1: can reject me twice and then I lose out on
Speaker 1: potentially a Super Bowl opportunity with the Eagles because the
Speaker 1: Saints job is still available now. Yeah, Saints job was
Speaker 1: the last one left last time I checked. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: All right, you know Jaguars hired uh Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Speaker 2: or see Liam. The Jaguars had interviewed a number of candidates.
Speaker 2: The Jaguars had interviewed a number of candidates, including Robert
Speaker 2: Saler and Patrick Graham. They ultimately went with Cohen. I
Speaker 2: think they were to say something about, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna talk about the details of how he got hired, Y,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Feel like we should wait to
Speaker 1: talk about the details. Let's just judge it on its merit,
Speaker 1: all right. So keep in mind, Baker Mayfield is out
Speaker 1: on his eighth offensive coordinator in eight years, Lian Cohen,
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen. That's why the Raiders would have been perfect.
Speaker 1: Baker would have been a perfect Raider. They could have
Speaker 1: signed him, they could have revamped his team. He's not
Speaker 1: a free agent. He just signed. But when he was
Speaker 1: a free agent, they could have paid him when he
Speaker 1: had like no value, and they gave Minshew thirty million dollars,
Speaker 1: which I will never forgive. Yeah, So when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, you know, Liam Cohen was off the
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Buccaneers. He made that offense go. Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield said, franchise records and touchdown passes. I think he
Speaker 1: like was near up to the league. He was like
Speaker 1: leading the league in picks with like sixteen or seventeen,
Speaker 1: but forty one touchdown passes. I mean, what you're you
Speaker 1: gonna do broke one of Tom Brady's records, but that
Speaker 1: offense is definitely thriving fully. And then Christian Tristian Wurf's
Speaker 1: is an All Pro at left tackle and right tackle.
Speaker 1: Like the development of that offensive line, and they the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers kept losing people. They lose Godwin, they have McMillan,
Speaker 1: you know, Sterling Sheppard makes a comeback, Kate Adden. He
Speaker 1: kept that offense going, and you have to respect that.
Speaker 1: Their defense was just hurt and mangled, And I think
Speaker 1: he would be the perfect person because I don't think
Speaker 1: a defensive coach is going to fix Trevor Lawrence. You
Speaker 1: had to get an offensive guy. Cohen was the best
Speaker 1: option available outside of Kellen Moore. That was my point.
Speaker 2: So presumably they're all They're still all in on Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 2: even though this is effectively now his third offensive coach,
Speaker 2: So what choice They don't have a true I mean,
Speaker 2: they just signed him last year, but I mean teams
Speaker 2: have done have done more with worst contracts, So I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I mean, we could.
Speaker 2: Say he doesn't have a market, but you don't really
Speaker 2: know until things kind of shape up in free agency,
Speaker 2: in the draft, there's not any real free, big free
Speaker 2: agent quarterbacks out there.
Speaker 1: So Sam Donald's yeah, Donald can get a fat contract
Speaker 1: from the Titans. He fucked up his bag so much
Speaker 1: in that last game, who knows, I mean, but then
Speaker 1: you might get him cheap. If you're the Titans, Hey,
Speaker 1: we'll give you thirty million dollars. I'd rather give him
Speaker 1: thirty million than do what the Raiders did, because if
Speaker 1: Sam Donald goes to the Vikings, I mean to the Raiders,
Speaker 1: I might snap. Wouldn't surprise me. I might snap. I
Speaker 1: might legitimately go to San Clemente and just start tagging
Speaker 1: up shit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I like the Cohen Hire for
Speaker 2: a lot of the reasons that you said. But I
Speaker 2: think the thing for me is like Jacksonville has always
Speaker 2: been good on defense, Like that's been their identity Saxonville,
Speaker 2: like when they have that front four before with del Rio,
Speaker 2: Like they've always been driven by defense.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: Like, if this whole Trevorick's Trevor Lawrence experience doesn't work
Speaker 2: this next year or next year and a half, like
Speaker 2: I think it's not only going to be Lawrence who's out,
Speaker 2: but it's probably gonna be going too so he's got
Speaker 2: to turn that offense around real quick. There's too much
Speaker 2: talent on that roster for them to not be dynamic
Speaker 2: on offense. And also, you can't keep giving the defensive
Speaker 2: soul stone to have an underachieving offense. Can't keep hiring
Speaker 2: offensive coaches and making big offensive draft picks and then
Speaker 2: just leaving your defense by the wayside, because really that's
Speaker 2: what the franchise is built on.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on.
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll to the Raiders. Go ahead, Kenny, because you
Speaker 2: already know how I feel about this.
Speaker 1: So he will be the oldest coach in NFL history
Speaker 1: come the first game of the season. Liam Cohen was
Speaker 1: right there, Brian Flores is right there. If you wanted
Speaker 1: just an old dude to lead this ship, like you
Speaker 1: could have just called Jim Caldwell, like this move, we're
Speaker 1: going to let Jim go. His agent bro yep should
Speaker 1: be because I mean, there's a lot of these, a
Speaker 1: lot of these white reed treads, these old white re treads,
Speaker 1: keep getting work, and I'm like, you've done nothing to
Speaker 1: warrant you getting another job yet Jim Caldwell fixed Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 1: and we just act like that didn't happen. But Josh
Speaker 1: mcdan oh, Josh McDaniels, Oh, honestly, you know what, remembering
Speaker 1: that job is still on the buck. He's like eighty
Speaker 1: fucking seven. He just got hired. It's forty nine year
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Yeah, so let's not talk.
Speaker 2: About but he's an offensive consultant. He's eighty five, dog,
Speaker 2: he's he needs to go sit down.
Speaker 1: Yes he was, he was. He's sixty four back then. Like,
Speaker 1: I've seen this man my whole life, and all I
Speaker 1: know is he's just apparently a brilliant offensive mind. And
Speaker 1: all I know is go write some books, dog or like,
Speaker 1: but go sit down with my grandma, Like what are
Speaker 1: we doing? I love the GM pick I love. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Tom Brady and Pete Carroll gotta work together and
Speaker 1: was on the Panther staff, that's good. Revitalizing Bryce fixing
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. What do you know he's been on the
Speaker 1: Panthers staff. I know. That's why I keep saying his name, just.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't say he was saving Bryce Young because
Speaker 2: he was with them when Bryce Young was.
Speaker 1: Sorry, he man, and you don't look good again either
Speaker 1: way either way. But when you factor him, okay, if
Speaker 1: this is the guy to write the ship and get you.
Speaker 1: If he's your okay, you got three years to fix
Speaker 1: our franchise type of situation. Okay. Pete Carroll, Uh, you
Speaker 1: put some great pieces together at the end of your
Speaker 1: time in Seattle. He put together in all pro secondary
Speaker 1: pretty much, so I have to give him his props.
Speaker 1: In some areas he got too off. He got Lucas
Speaker 1: and Charles Cross. You know, they they drafted some good guys.
Speaker 1: He rebuilt the Seahawks, so I can't tell them be mad.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are worst picks. I just feel like
Speaker 1: it was lazy to give a seventy three year old
Speaker 1: guy a three year contract and he was a professor
Speaker 1: at USC. It's like, like, if this doesn't work, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving Mark Davis a pass. You understand that, right,
Speaker 1: This will just be an even worse because you picked
Speaker 1: an old dude when they were young guys available. Even
Speaker 1: if you've Ben Johnson, he took the Bear's job. Like
Speaker 1: you could have got Kellen Moore. You could have got
Speaker 1: Killing Moore hot off of a playoff run. Hell, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been as mad if they got Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been as mad. But now I just
Speaker 1: see the Pete Carroll situation. I'm like, Okay, you're measuring
Speaker 1: ten times and cutting once. So what you're really telling
Speaker 1: me is you're not gonna be competitive for at least
Speaker 1: another two years. You're not gonna be competitive until Pet's
Speaker 1: on his way out, because I don't believe they're gonna
Speaker 1: be a playoff team next year. Look at every other
Speaker 1: QB in the AFC West. They have their franchise QB,
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and they probably have one of the worst
Speaker 1: rosters in the league. And you got Max Crosby out
Speaker 1: here tweeting subliminals, which honestly, he's looking like trade bait
Speaker 1: the more the day goes by. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll give it a as far as hiring goes,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a C plus B minus. I think
Speaker 1: there were better choices out there. But if the worst
Speaker 1: you get his Pete Carroll. Okay, Tom Brady the Bucks
Speaker 1: GM that the head coach and Brady and the GM
Speaker 1: are all lockstep is what it seems like. This to
Speaker 1: me is.
Speaker 2: The best higher the Raiders have made, probably since del Rio,
Speaker 2: only because del Rio was kind of an obvious choice,
Speaker 2: and I feel like in this case, Pete Carroll was
Speaker 2: also kind of an obvious choice. But it's like, Raiders
Speaker 2: don't always have to be the smartest people in the room.
Speaker 2: You don't always got to reinvent the fucking wheel, you
Speaker 2: don't always got to think you're better than everyone else,
Speaker 2: because guess what, the last twenty years of behavior has
Speaker 2: proven that you're not further to your point. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the way I look at it. The past.
Speaker 2: Let's see a year and a half of McDaniels, half
Speaker 2: a year and a half of Antonio Pears, half season
Speaker 2: of Rich Bassaccia, and a half season.
Speaker 1: Of Gruden, and then two years of grewd In before that.
Speaker 2: So pretty much for the last five years, the Raiders
Speaker 2: have been completely and utterly unstable, starting at the top.
Speaker 2: And we didn't even get into the four GMS they've
Speaker 2: had over that time, right, So, this is a team
Speaker 2: that's this is a team that's not just going through
Speaker 2: a rebuild, but it has been going through a transitional.
Speaker 1: Period for the past ten years.
Speaker 2: Since they've announced the move to Vegas, they've basically been
Speaker 2: in a transitional period in terms of even when they
Speaker 2: made that move, we didn't know what the impact would
Speaker 2: be on del Rio or McKenzie.
Speaker 1: They didn't end up making it.
Speaker 2: Well, McKenzie did, but Delrio didn't end up making it
Speaker 2: to Vegas. And since then, on the back end, we've
Speaker 2: seen them hire new president, we saw them fire a
Speaker 2: bunch of executives they had. They've gone through like two
Speaker 2: different kind of scouting overhauls already over that time. So
Speaker 2: the Raiders have just been in constant transition pretty much
Speaker 2: the last five.
Speaker 1: To ten years.
Speaker 2: And really, I mean you could probably even go back
Speaker 2: to before then. So for me, this higher at least
Speaker 2: steadies and shit, like, yeah, you might be right. They
Speaker 2: might go seven and nine, They may go you know eight,
Speaker 2: They may go eight and nine. They may go nine
Speaker 2: and eight. They may miss the playoffs with ten wins
Speaker 2: and a really tough division. Shoot, he may get bested
Speaker 2: by the Chargers still in Jim Harbam like, he may
Speaker 2: not be Andy Reid like. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, like like we always say, the Standers a standard,
Speaker 2: and I think Pete Carroll is gonna finally bring that
Speaker 2: standard to Vegas. They're gonna actually be a well run organization.
Speaker 2: They're going to actually you know, field some talent. They
Speaker 2: might field some wild cards like the Raiders always do,
Speaker 2: like Pete Carroll always does.
Speaker 1: That's kind of their ven diagram.
Speaker 2: But I think Pete Carroll will also develop some talent
Speaker 2: because he has developed some.
Speaker 1: Talent in Seattle.
Speaker 2: He has found in the rough for every you know,
Speaker 2: first and second round pick he's missed, he's found a guy.
Speaker 2: So at least for me, that's what I'm excited about.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for the Raiders to finally just be respectable
Speaker 2: and just be run correctly. Like because McDaniels, we all
Speaker 2: knew he had personality issues before.
Speaker 1: They even hired him.
Speaker 2: Gruden, we knew he was old and stuck in his
Speaker 2: ways and didn't even know if it worked. Antonio appears,
Speaker 2: we always knew was kind of a flyer. You know,
Speaker 2: we wanted to believe in him, but you know, we
Speaker 2: always knew his limitations. Pete Carroll, you know, we know
Speaker 2: he can relate to players because he's been doing it forever.
Speaker 2: You know, there were players that were upset when he
Speaker 2: even left Seattle last year. Despite his age. We know
Speaker 2: he doesn't have personality issues. He's able to manage players.
Speaker 2: He's able to manage the coordinators. He knows how to
Speaker 2: conduct himself with the media, he knows how to work
Speaker 2: with the front office. He's he's a coach's coach. He
Speaker 2: knows how to coach. And then yeah, we know he's
Speaker 2: not limited because he could. He's won at both levels
Speaker 2: and he's literally one of the most winning his coaches.
Speaker 2: So for me, I give it a solid B plus
Speaker 2: a minus. I mean, if you want to say anything
Speaker 2: about the age, just look at our last two presidents.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what to tell you, like seventies
Speaker 2: or the New fifties.
Speaker 1: I mean, they really are. That's the problem with lay
Speaker 1: your asses down somewhere. I mean, you're not wrong on
Speaker 1: that point. The dream that you the world you prepared
Speaker 1: us for, never existed and you failed at it. That's
Speaker 1: why your ass is still work.
Speaker 2: But in a beautiful dream scenario, what I think is
Speaker 2: gonna make or break this higher hell is going to
Speaker 2: be the coordinators and the things that you said finding
Speaker 2: Carrol's replacement, because yeah, like let's say they go Let's
Speaker 2: say they go seven to nine this year, they go
Speaker 2: ten and ten and seven next year, and then they're
Speaker 2: eleven and five, and now your coordinators are getting interviews whatever,
Speaker 2: So instead of letting them go, you promote one, and
Speaker 2: then Pete Carroll moves to a senior consultant role or
Speaker 2: a senior front office role or some sort of hybrid
Speaker 2: role like he was supposed to do with Seattle, but
Speaker 2: we all kind of knew that was showface. Anyways, that
Speaker 2: would be my dream scenario. Three years Pete Carroll comes in,
Speaker 2: Steady's the shit, finds his replacement, grooms him, gets him going,
Speaker 2: promotes him. He kind of steps off to the background,
Speaker 2: and honestly, I mean, I think this is what Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll is like, this is what he likes. I think
Speaker 2: he likes adversity, he likes he's a flip or flop
Speaker 2: kind of guy. Like he likes to go in and
Speaker 2: rebuild it. He did the same thing with New England.
Speaker 2: He did the same thing with USC Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you really want to look at New England's kind
Speaker 2: of trajectory, it's Pete Carroll who really sent the foundation
Speaker 2: for Bill Belichick to really have all the success he had.
Speaker 1: We want to call spade a spade, I guess, But yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's enough.
Speaker 2: On the Raiders, Ben Johnson went to the line, went
Speaker 2: to the Bears. You put as Lions head coach, but
Speaker 2: he joined the Bears. He had his opening press conference.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just takeaways already from Ben Johnson. Many people
Speaker 2: saw as the number one candidate.
Speaker 1: Choosing the Bears job. Ay plus job. I mean it
Speaker 1: was the best It was really the best place, the
Speaker 1: only place you should be considering. So now is what
Speaker 1: it is that he made the right choice. Now to
Speaker 1: be interesting to see who was his defensive coordinator, because
Speaker 1: I would be calling Gerrod mao. It was me. I
Speaker 1: like the job for Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lots like you know, obviously the
Speaker 2: Bears have a historic organization, Chicago has rabid fans. You know,
Speaker 2: the defense is solid, has some talent on there, the
Speaker 2: offense has some weapons. You have Kleb who was the
Speaker 2: number one pick last year. So there's a lot to
Speaker 2: work with there. But honestly, I don't know how it's
Speaker 2: gonna work out. And here's why I think my first concern,
Speaker 2: like just looking at that opening press conference, like I
Speaker 2: was not impressed by Johnson's presence. Obviously it's his first
Speaker 2: one as a head coach, so it's okay to be nervous,
Speaker 2: like shit happens.
Speaker 1: But did he allegedly take a shot? People said he
Speaker 1: took a shot at Bratt LAFLORA, Yeah he did. I
Speaker 1: was like, if you don't know that guy and you're
Speaker 1: not a friend, you shouldn't be calling out by his
Speaker 1: first name.
Speaker 2: Not well that and then also well, I mean you
Speaker 2: could say the same thing about Matt Lafour too. I mean,
Speaker 2: Matt Laford wasn't that impressive his first year. It took
Speaker 2: some time.
Speaker 1: There's all the credit when Matt Laflour got there, and
Speaker 1: then you realize, no, Matt Lafloor can actually do this.
Speaker 2: So it might take some time for Ben Johnson to
Speaker 2: kind of grow into his big head coaching energy. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I just think like if it doesn't work out for him,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough because you essentially inherited a quarterback,
Speaker 2: but you're not gonna live to see another one. And
Speaker 2: the defense has a lot of money already spent. So
Speaker 2: as you said, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta hit
Speaker 2: a home run on that defensive coordinator higher because if
Speaker 2: you don't and that defense is mid then they're gonna
Speaker 2: look at you as the person who couldn't bring in
Speaker 2: a closer and get it over the hump.
Speaker 1: Well, they're in a perfect position because I think I
Speaker 1: have like the eighth or ninth overall pick, but then
Speaker 1: my last my last kicker is.
Speaker 2: Like I could see why you would want to stay
Speaker 2: in the division because you know you're gonna know the
Speaker 2: teams like matter before, You're gonna know your Lions, You're
Speaker 2: gonna know.
Speaker 1: The Vikings.
Speaker 2: You've put together game plans against them, so you know
Speaker 2: their defense, you know their schemes. And also I feel
Speaker 2: like that could also go to your disadvantage because they
Speaker 2: are those teams are walking into that same with that
Speaker 2: same knowledge. And also you're gonna be playing against your
Speaker 2: mentor you know, the team that puts you on a
Speaker 2: team that you didn't even want to leave in the Lions.
Speaker 2: So that's another challenge in itself. But yeah, if you
Speaker 2: you can't go winless in the division, like you can't,
Speaker 2: there's no excuse for it.
Speaker 1: Like you've been in the division.
Speaker 2: You chose this job, you chose this quarterback, you chose
Speaker 2: these weapons. So for Ben Johnson, like he's gonna have
Speaker 2: the most pressure probably out of all these guys that
Speaker 2: we've talked about.
Speaker 1: They're in a great spot draft wise because they can
Speaker 1: either take their future their left tackle in the future,
Speaker 1: they could trade for one, maybe with the Raiders because
Speaker 1: they need a center and a tackle for sure, but
Speaker 1: they can also you know, buy some go get some
Speaker 1: offensive lineman a free agency. But also like they could
Speaker 1: take an edge rusher. They can think whatever edg rusher
Speaker 1: falls to them at ten or whatever their position is,
Speaker 1: or they could just take Kelvin Banks junior out of
Speaker 1: Texas if he falls, and that's your friends. Try. Some
Speaker 1: people have given him like an Ormando Pace great almost
Speaker 1: Jeremy tunsel esked like he's a perfect he's a perfect prospect,
Speaker 1: but in some people's eyes, but since quarterback scene is
Speaker 1: more valuable, Kevin Bank and fall. But honestly, if i'm if,
Speaker 1: I'm if Pete Carroll, I like what I like Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: When he took Charles cross on Mississippi State at nine
Speaker 1: and they needed a tackle, some people said that's out
Speaker 1: of reach. It's looking pretty good that they took him.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if the Raiders took a left tackle
Speaker 1: and then traded, I just think when it comes to
Speaker 1: certain guys, you understand their tendencies. We're gonna learn Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson's tendencies with Ryan Poles and how strategic they plan
Speaker 1: on moving. When I look at the Raiders in Conjunction,
Speaker 1: where Ben Johnson also interviewed, I could look at Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll and say, Pete Carroll doesn't keep around over priced veterans.
Speaker 1: So count how many overpriced veterans on the Raiders and
Speaker 1: they're all trade bait. You look at the Bears, they
Speaker 1: really just need to fix the offense, get some defensive reinforcements,
Speaker 1: and keep building depth. And Caleb Williams didn't have a
Speaker 1: bad rookie season. He quietly actually had a more efficient
Speaker 1: rookie season than Jayden Daniels. It's just Jade Daniels had
Speaker 1: a better situation.
Speaker 2: It's not just about that though, It's about the command
Speaker 2: that he had in the games.
Speaker 1: And I mean fact that a refolution wasn't the fact
Speaker 1: that his.
Speaker 2: The fact that his trajectory was so up and down,
Speaker 2: like obviously the coach, the coach, the coaches and the
Speaker 2: coaching you know, took the.
Speaker 1: Fall for that.
Speaker 2: But now that that variable has been isolated, if Caleb
Speaker 2: continues in that way, a way that you pointed out
Speaker 2: at USC and flag at USC, probably before anybody else. Like,
Speaker 2: if he continues that, at some point, we just gotta
Speaker 2: believe he's already shown us who he is.
Speaker 1: I think with a dude like that, great pay calling
Speaker 1: covers up a lot of novelty, Like yes, Patrick, look
Speaker 1: at Patrick Mahomes, you got to execute. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: but look at Patrick Mahomes. Andy Reid ran a lot
Speaker 1: of fly jet sweep ship. When Mahomes first took over
Speaker 1: a starter, he didn't give him the whole playbook. Mahomes
Speaker 1: worked up to that, and now he's worked down to
Speaker 1: now the same ship.
Speaker 2: No, he just I mean, they're not running jet sweets,
Speaker 2: they don't have to, but they're running the ball there,
Speaker 2: quick passes to emotions, they're doing motion ship like they're doing.
Speaker 2: They're still doing a lot of similar he's making making
Speaker 2: the decisions now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying, look at James Daniels, he
Speaker 1: said part of his pre draft he wanted like a
Speaker 1: virtual reality.
Speaker 2: But the reason why I'm giving you that example is
Speaker 2: to say that, like Pat Mahomes is still that guy
Speaker 2: because he learned to be that guy and he's still
Speaker 2: executing within himself. He knows his limitations and he knows
Speaker 2: he has no limitations. At the same time, Caleb, Caleb
Speaker 2: was a better prospect enabled as you've talked about for
Speaker 2: the past four years. He had to play hero balls
Speaker 2: different you know, placated too, and it's not.
Speaker 1: Work to his benefit. I think this year was a
Speaker 1: good taste for him. He needed to experience some more losing.
Speaker 1: He had some success.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Jayden, but think about where they were
Speaker 2: four years ago.
Speaker 1: They were a mess. Remember they had Haskins.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying is, look at Jaden's.
Speaker 1: A whole totally different front offense.
Speaker 2: Look at look at Jaden's progression versus Klob's progression.
Speaker 1: I mean, quiet as kept Jaden was always a better
Speaker 1: passer and Caleb, we could just go back and look
Speaker 1: at his record breaking high school career in Cali. By
Speaker 1: the way, By the way, there's two California quarterbacks left
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and two Texas quarterbacks left in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So I guess we're gonna find out who's who because uh,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen went from the I'm saying is I'm rooting
Speaker 1: for all the Cali quarterbacks. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I think it'll work out for Chicago.
Speaker 2: How did you say Caleb had a better Moore efficient season?
Speaker 2: He threw less touchdowns the same amount of interceptions. No,
Speaker 2: he threw a couple less interceptions. But his touchdown and
Speaker 2: interception ratio was still lower. His yards per average were lower,
Speaker 2: His yards were lower, and his completion percentage was a
Speaker 2: full ten percent lower.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, efficiency versus production efficiencies, your completion path, your
Speaker 1: complete completion percentage is actually a very over reception rate.
Speaker 1: Completion percentage a very overrated stat. You play enough of
Speaker 1: HLA football to know that you can run twenty five
Speaker 1: straight jet sweeps. Did you really complete one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of your passes or was just a fucking handoff? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was it a shovel pass?
Speaker 2: When you're talking to throw over the middle, when you're
Speaker 2: talking about sixty two percent versus sixty nine, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Jaden's sixty nine might be a little bit high, but
Speaker 2: sixty two.
Speaker 1: Is also kind of low. They ran a college.
Speaker 2: Sixty two is kind of close to fish.
Speaker 1: They run a college.
Speaker 2: Sixty two's a good twenty to thirty with green passes.
Speaker 2: With me, you take away thirty of those screen passes,
Speaker 2: and that's fifty nine percent.
Speaker 1: Uh, he threw more downfield though.
Speaker 2: His yards, throw more yards per attempt, don't to show that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, no, I didn't say he connected downfield.
Speaker 1: I'm saying he had to say his guards per attempt. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: but look at how many shots he took downfield it
Speaker 1: didn't hit. What I'm saying is the Commanders run a
Speaker 1: college offense where it's high efficiency completions, completions. Just look
Speaker 1: at it, like Terry McClain is the best receiver Zach
Speaker 1: Ertz had, Like I mean yard, that's the other eighty
Speaker 1: five catches.
Speaker 2: That's the other layer of it is Caleb supporting cast
Speaker 2: is a lot better than Jaden's.
Speaker 1: Well, they expected Caleb was just coming to.
Speaker 2: I don't know when you became a Caleb Caleb apologist, but.
Speaker 1: I don't not a callb apologist you are. I just
Speaker 1: know you are in twenty twenty five. Apologies. Definitely not
Speaker 1: when you were the.
Speaker 2: First one bringing up all these red flags about him,
Speaker 2: all these red flags that persisted for three years.
Speaker 1: And we'll see you in the offseason if him had
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson fixed it, at.
Speaker 2: Some point, if your dad keeps going to rehab, you
Speaker 2: just got to accept that.
Speaker 1: He's a drunk. This is his rookie year. Like, these
Speaker 1: are ungodly expectations because think about it, people didn't want
Speaker 1: to put People weren't saying, oh, Jaydon Daniels is the
Speaker 1: truth he's gonna be. People are like, it might be
Speaker 1: Drake May and what are they doing with the old
Speaker 1: miss QB Jackson Dart right now? Hyping him up is
Speaker 1: the next greatest thing, even though we all know what's
Speaker 1: either should do. It's really Cam Wore and everybody else.
Speaker 1: Cam Wore was a zero star recruit and he made
Speaker 1: himself into what he is, and then he said everybody
Speaker 1: said I quit on my team when I factually didn't.
Speaker 2: So it's like I think, for me, it's not about
Speaker 2: where you start, it's not about your production.
Speaker 1: It's about how you.
Speaker 2: Finish and the So what I mean by that is
Speaker 2: how you developed, right and then also during that process
Speaker 2: of development, what can you do and what is your
Speaker 2: base line? That's how I look at it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what Caleb can do is a lot. He's given us
Speaker 2: a great range, a lot of sparks. But the baseline
Speaker 2: has been inconsistent to say the least. So I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he's a bus I'm not saying to throw him away.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is like he doesn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of room for error either, and him in the marriage
Speaker 2: with Ben Johnson has to work. Shout out to all
Speaker 2: those kids who were trolling him and saying they were
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. That shit was funny as fuck. But yeah,
Speaker 2: anything else.
Speaker 1: You want to say on the Bears because we got
Speaker 1: one more nah, I think you just gotta wait and
Speaker 1: see at this point because our offense is like eighty
Speaker 1: percent complete.
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn went to the Jets, an organization that drafted him.
Speaker 2: He played eight years there, left the Lions organization where
Speaker 2: he had really revived that defense.
Speaker 1: They kind of had a down year due to injuries,
Speaker 1: but really.
Speaker 2: Just I mean, you think about the Detroit Lions when
Speaker 2: Danny Campbell first got there and they were just kind
Speaker 2: of a laughingstock, and I think eventually they figured it out,
Speaker 2: and Glenn it was just a big, big part of that.
Speaker 2: I mean even there, like you know Hutchinson, you know,
Speaker 2: you know Carlton Davis, you know some of these you know,
Speaker 2: bigger pay guys, but they have a lot of guys
Speaker 2: who are just blue collar starters that are actually doing solid,
Speaker 2: like half of their d line, half of their corners,
Speaker 2: Like they play a lot of guys. They use their
Speaker 2: debt and they use it well. And I think that's
Speaker 2: why Glenn will be a great coach, not just for
Speaker 2: the Jets, a team that he knows, and but just
Speaker 2: any team, because if you can develop that kind of talent,
Speaker 2: if you can find ways to put players in the
Speaker 2: best situations, like, you're always going to be a great coach.
Speaker 2: And it also doesn't hurt that this organization finally has
Speaker 2: someone that they can fully get behind as far as
Speaker 2: the Jets, like this is there's no butt or if
Speaker 2: or what like. Jets fans are all in on Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 2: like Joe Namath is tweeting that he's excited.
Speaker 1: Like so, I don't even funk John, He's not even
Speaker 1: he's not even worthy of being a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Speaker 1: But that's another story. I mean, that's crazy, bro, He's
Speaker 1: he's overrated that go look at his numbers.
Speaker 2: These numbers are not about our numbers. You were just
Speaker 2: talking about how it's not all about the numbers.
Speaker 1: Bro, You literally Nyablor waited forever. Joe Name just got
Speaker 1: in like it was nothing. Kenny Stable had to wait
Speaker 1: for it because he called his fucking shot iconically. Bro,
Speaker 1: They're running back had the best game running Jets had.
Speaker 1: They don't even talk about the running the starting running
Speaker 1: back who actually is the reason why they won the game.
Speaker 2: He brought a Super Bowl to the Jets. And what
Speaker 2: about the fucking I want you to google his stats.
Speaker 2: I want with the stats from that. But it's not
Speaker 2: just about that game. It's about the Colts game before
Speaker 2: that where Name is played.
Speaker 1: Really well, okay, that's cool, but in today's NFL, that
Speaker 1: dude is made.
Speaker 2: In today's NFL, it really doesn't matter. Because you want
Speaker 2: to talk about stats, doesn't today's stats blow well, quarterback
Speaker 2: stats blow away all the stats from back then, So
Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter type of court like and also
Speaker 2: there's like five more games.
Speaker 1: Now, so no, no, no, sh it really doesn't matter. Let's
Speaker 1: just look at the type of quarterback that exists, justin
Speaker 1: Herbert Joe Namath. If you put Justin Herbert on that
Speaker 1: Jets team, they're probably winning by even more.
Speaker 2: No, because they probably won't even fucking throw the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's tall at ship not he'd be cooking.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like people hype up Joe Namath, but like,
Speaker 1: let's be real, a lot of nobody's trying to hope
Speaker 1: hype up Joe Namath. I'm just saying, Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, is he's a thought leader of the Jets organization.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't even him. He is excited, and fans are excited,
Speaker 2: like fucking should he? Though Greenberg is probably shouldting himself.
Speaker 1: I don't even care what my Greenberg thinks. But ship, Bro,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the fucking Jets. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: There are more prominent Jets fans. You know. That's a
Speaker 1: fucking prominent Jet fan. Brohl is a prominent jet Jet
Speaker 1: fire man Rex Ryan, Curtis Martin. This dude said Rex Ryan. Bro.
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, he's a last success. We want to
Speaker 1: talk about people we don't fuck that. Don't look it matter, Brow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You just gonna you're the first person on
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan.
Speaker 2: Anytime you brought up you bring.
Speaker 1: A that is because because it's funny, because it's funny.
Speaker 1: Though the foot jokes are funny.
Speaker 2: Anyways, you're very mad, right. I don't know why you're
Speaker 2: hating on the Aaron Glenn Higher. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I love the Aaron Glenn Higher. I don't gonna fuck
Speaker 1: with John to say about it. I think it's a
Speaker 1: great higher.
Speaker 2: The sat gotta stop picking on the fucking slow kid
Speaker 2: on the football team.
Speaker 1: Bro, that's crazy. Just let the Jets have something, dude,
Speaker 1: that's you're just calling me the I defended the slow k.
Speaker 1: I defended the slow kid on our football team. That's disrespectful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, last point I make is the Jets defense
Speaker 2: is also deep, so I feel like he's gonna do
Speaker 2: a lot with that.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to take a quarterback because
Speaker 1: I'm not trusting. I'm not trusting. I'm telling you we're
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback. If it's like if is there, he'll
Speaker 1: sit behind you. But just know, like this team doesn't
Speaker 1: work with you past this year. They have to do
Speaker 1: something he can't do, like he can't go with Antony appreciated.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna accept not getting my quarterback because we
Speaker 1: got a forty five year old dude on ayahuasca. No, no,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think the other thing with
Speaker 1: the Jets.
Speaker 2: That has to change right there the front office, like
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck they gotta stopped. They're drinking that same
Speaker 2: cool he Joe Douglas, who actually where they're trying to
Speaker 2: always fucking just make one more move.
Speaker 1: It's like they got it of jock Joe Douglas. And
Speaker 1: I don't think they should have done that because look
Speaker 1: up everything he did. He rebuilt that whole roster from
Speaker 1: the stand.
Speaker 2: But he's also done a lot of ship to over
Speaker 2: leverage them and fucking gambled on town that hasn't hit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's gambled on town that has hit, but there's also.
Speaker 1: Been I give you Garrett Wilson. If I give you
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson and get Deronte Adams. And the only thing
Speaker 1: I fucked up on was Aaron Rodgers, which nobody, Nobody
Speaker 1: called him popping his achilles ten in seven minutes into
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: Well that Butante Adams, he got out of the Zach
Speaker 2: Wilson situation.
Speaker 1: Adams was a bust there. Yeah, but I mean we
Speaker 1: knew that was coming, watch and watched devontec On Kary
Speaker 1: Wilson had a down here, Yeah, because they had no
Speaker 1: offensive identity and Breeze Hall care team on his back.
Speaker 2: I mean, they let Makay Beckton go for nothing to
Speaker 2: have an all Pro season when they really could have
Speaker 2: used an offensive line. Like it's crazy how little Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers gets sacked knowing how immobile and old he is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like these young quarterbacks need to watch that, because just
Speaker 2: the way he moves and Phil's in the pocket is
Speaker 2: like literally fucking crazy. Like he's literally like a blind, blind,
Speaker 2: fucking Samurai trope at quarterback and it's just being wasted away.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's his own fault. Also, Fox spated airlines.
Speaker 2: All right, just moving on, I guess I don't think
Speaker 2: we talked about.
Speaker 1: Rabel last week. Rabel's the Patriots head coach and Johns McDaniels.
Speaker 1: This is OC and they brought back this special teams coordinator.
Speaker 1: They had the second best special in the NFL. He
Speaker 1: actually is like one of the best special teams coordinators
Speaker 1: in the league, arguably the best. But he's from Baltic's days.
Speaker 1: He was already on staff. He was retained by the Pats,
Speaker 1: but they had the number two special teams union in
Speaker 1: the country, So yeah, I would want to keep that guy.
Speaker 1: He for sure probably would have got looks elsewhere. But
Speaker 1: you know, Rabel's keeping certain guys in house, which is good.
Speaker 1: I want to know if ran Carthon is gonna get
Speaker 1: another shot somewhere else. But Rabo brought some guys with
Speaker 1: him from other places that he worked at. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: the fact that Josh McDaniels, Josh McDaniels just gets to
Speaker 1: walk into another like that is a lawsuit that I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: Nobody's like, Josh McDaniels is on his third first stant
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. This dude is a no, he's not
Speaker 1: a leader of men. Respect dude, he keeps getting work, well,
Speaker 1: don't I'm calling racist. What I don't understand is not
Speaker 1: me per se, But like I'm surprised, know every other
Speaker 1: black candidate is like, hey, what the fuck are you
Speaker 1: serious this guy?
Speaker 2: What I don't understand is much like the cowboys, Like
Speaker 2: why would you put try so hard to push out
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: To then bring back his mouth, his.
Speaker 2: Back, his his clone, like his vessel, his vessel.
Speaker 1: There you go, perfect, what the what the fucking horror
Speaker 1: crux is this? And then I don't know that Baltimore
Speaker 1: is not.
Speaker 2: Get the band back together, Like what in the fucking
Speaker 2: nineties band?
Speaker 1: Is this like the Blue Hell?
Speaker 2: Is this like you're just gonna change the lead singer
Speaker 2: and expect us to act like everything's the same. Yeah,
Speaker 2: talking to you, Lincoln Park. Uh yeah, that's actually a
Speaker 2: great comparison r P.
Speaker 1: Chester. So yeah, that's crazy to me. And also.
Speaker 2: Like the thing about doing that is and I'm speaking
Speaker 2: as a Raiders fan, cause now we've done this twice.
Speaker 1: We brought back our show.
Speaker 2: When we had no business bringing back our show. We
Speaker 2: brought back John Gruden when we had no business bringing
Speaker 2: back John Gruden. So when you do this whole, let
Speaker 2: me tap back into legendary coaching tree. What you really
Speaker 2: do is you undercut your own legend status.
Speaker 1: Like you take something.
Speaker 2: That you take a great meal that tasted good that
Speaker 2: you always can think back and say, damn, that was
Speaker 2: one of the best meals I ever had to it,
Speaker 2: and you add lima beans to it, you fucking freezer
Speaker 2: dry it, and then you pull it out of the
Speaker 2: freezer twenty years like some fucking wedding cake on your
Speaker 2: anima que, and then throw it in the freezer and
Speaker 2: then expect it to hold up to fucking today's standard
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, everything changes over time. That's good, that's life.
Speaker 2: Like just trying to get that old thing back is
Speaker 2: not all is the.
Speaker 1: Move Okay, j Cole, Okay, sparks will fly that sparks
Speaker 1: will fly with Genko and Ja Cole. But that's try
Speaker 1: that's a biggie difference. I'm choosing the light skin route.
Speaker 1: It's funnier, just go with that old thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funnier, yeah, Ja co host all that. Yeah anyways too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, my point of saying that is, if Rabel sucks,
Speaker 2: not only are you gonna essentially kill the Patriot way,
Speaker 2: you're gonna tank whatever half slice of dignity, pride.
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels can hang it at his hat on.
Speaker 2: And three Robert Kraft, You're gonna look like you don't
Speaker 2: know what the fuck you're doing, and people are gonna
Speaker 2: start looking at you as the problem instead of Belichick
Speaker 2: and Brady, and they're probably gonna look at you as
Speaker 2: the reason of what broke that thing up and got
Speaker 2: between them. So yeah, Patriots, there's a lot on the
Speaker 2: line essentially. I mean, the whole thing about drum Mail
Speaker 2: was like he was cut from the same cloth as
Speaker 2: Rabel and you just gave up on that. So it's like,
Speaker 2: if this Vrabel thing doesn't work out, like we're looking
Speaker 2: at the Patriot Way and the Patriot Dynasty in a
Speaker 2: whole different light as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to add, Josh McDaniels is the
Speaker 1: enemy of the forward pass. Tell him, Kenny said it.
Speaker 1: Tell him, Kenneth think gains Verry said it. I'll give
Speaker 1: my address too.
Speaker 2: All Right, college football, we gotta speed it up a
Speaker 2: little bit. We're on a hard stop.
Speaker 1: To all right, so I'll stay with the National Championship.
Speaker 1: What's the fucking dude? It was still kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't at the game, even though I
Speaker 1: fucking covered them all season and I covered their bowl
Speaker 1: game the last two years, which was ironically at the
Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl. But somehow I didn't mind, like got missed.
Speaker 1: But hey, that just uh makes me even more psychotically
Speaker 1: locked in on twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven
Speaker 1: because the nut yeah National Championship it was gonna be
Speaker 1: in Miami next year. On top of that, the uh,
Speaker 1: the national title game it's been announced that it will
Speaker 1: be wait, fuck, that's later in the show. My bad,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the wrong run. Now, hold on, I
Speaker 1: just I just lost it. Let meat log back in, alright,
Speaker 1: Google back to where I was at. All right, So
Speaker 1: USC higher Notre Dame's GM for the same position. His
Speaker 1: name right now, but you can go look it up. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge move because they needed a GM,
Speaker 1: and the assistant GM, who's already there a part of
Speaker 1: Lincoln staff, is gonna stay on. So imagine getting a
Speaker 1: being a GM at USC, and then you parlay that
Speaker 1: into being a GM in the NFL. What I'm does
Speaker 1: a matter when you get to the NFL.
Speaker 2: The reason why I'm saying that is because, yeah, as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, n I L, revenue share, all these different
Speaker 2: things are making it so that you need someone to
Speaker 2: bridge the gap between the front office and the play
Speaker 2: and the players and the money. And that's really what
Speaker 2: a general manager does. Yeah, I just deleted it. Don't
Speaker 2: We don't need those. You can talk about those next week.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what they were now.
Speaker 2: One of them was Shrine Bowl, and one of them
Speaker 2: was something else for next week. Oh it was it
Speaker 2: was something else about the schedule or something. Probably actually important. No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't Big twelve media day in Frisco. You don't
Speaker 2: even talk about that right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well they announced it's gonna be a frist
Speaker 1: go don't You don't need did that do anything? Now?
Speaker 1: Everybody knows who cares about the big pot? You could
Speaker 1: talk about that anytime. No, it's true the ones you deleted,
Speaker 1: I literally didn't. I'm gonna. I'm flying out to Texas
Speaker 1: tomorrow for the hundred annual East I Triaboat. I'm only
Speaker 1: going because it's the hundredth. Otherwise I would be at
Speaker 1: home saving my money broke.
Speaker 2: But yeah, back to what I was saying about the
Speaker 2: GM is one, I think this is becoming a more
Speaker 2: important position in college. Two, there's a lot of crossover
Speaker 2: between the organizations. I mean, I think if you would
Speaker 2: have thought about what Notre Dame was five years ago
Speaker 2: or ten years ago, I think they've done a good
Speaker 2: job of modernizing that and embracing the modern times and not,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to shy away from it. You not
Speaker 2: to say USC hasn't, but USC just has had its
Speaker 2: own institutional shortfalls just related to spoil. It's not related
Speaker 2: to sports. Just overall the organization has been going through
Speaker 2: a lot the past ten to fifteen years. So I
Speaker 2: think you need a steady head in the front office,
Speaker 2: and you need someone who knows those challenges of being
Speaker 2: this big old institution with this you know, reputation to
Speaker 2: uphold and modernizing that to these new kids who are
Speaker 2: trying to get money, trying to get bread and also
Speaker 2: fucking around on TikTok. And on top of that, you know,
Speaker 2: you still got these old head, these old boosters.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, overall, I like the move.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of crossover that I think
Speaker 2: will help USC kind of make it.
Speaker 1: Successful right away. And yeah, they made a rival, they
Speaker 1: made one of their biggest rivals weaker. Yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: in the Elbama for the Senior Bowl, So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a hell of a lot of people interview all right,
Speaker 1: moving on, take your tangent.
Speaker 2: According to Rapport, new Buccaneers coach Liam Cohen allegedly lie
Speaker 2: to the Jacksonville Jaguars said he wasn't taking a job
Speaker 2: so he could get a higher pay raise from them. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Jaguars were interviewing Patrick Graham to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
Speaker 2: So take your tangent, which, by the way, Lions also
Speaker 2: get a third round pick for ang Glenn getting hired
Speaker 2: as a Jets coach.
Speaker 1: That's great. I mean, should the Buccaneers want my tangent
Speaker 1: on this? My thing is, wait, I got this one.
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me just say this and then you
Speaker 2: can say whatever the fuck you want to say, because
Speaker 2: mine's gonna be short, uh how long till forty seven
Speaker 2: gets rid of the Rooney rule. That's all I wanted
Speaker 2: to say, because he's getting rid of all these other
Speaker 2: d shit in spite of the fact that, you know,
Speaker 2: unemployment is kind of the worst to spin in a
Speaker 2: cool minute quietly.
Speaker 1: And also.
Speaker 2: Black companies only got like one percent of the funding,
Speaker 2: and women companies women like companies only got like three percent.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you.
Speaker 2: Think critical or race theory doesn't impact capitalism and.
Speaker 1: Economics, then I don't know.
Speaker 2: What to tell you, because clearly the data shows the
Speaker 2: other people have not caught up in spite of whatever
Speaker 2: you think should happen over the course of sixty years
Speaker 2: versus a four hundred year country. But uh yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even gonna blow my top, but since you brought
Speaker 1: it up, I just want everybody to universally know just
Speaker 1: you know, same way oxygen helped. So it's all breathe.
Speaker 1: White women and gay white people are the biggest and
Speaker 1: undeniable beneficiaries of all di and affirmative action. Like it's
Speaker 1: statistically a fact. Like you can go back and look
Speaker 1: through all the waves of feminism, Like you could go
Speaker 1: through every wave of feminism you want, white women have
Speaker 1: always benefited from. They'll, oh, my god, there's no diversity.
Speaker 1: This is bad, yet thyose same like white women statistically
Speaker 1: owned most of the slaves. Yeah, there's books you can read.
Speaker 1: There's shit you can google that other white people wrote.
Speaker 1: So if you don't want to hear the black guys
Speaker 1: take on, you know, my people's history, you can listen
Speaker 1: to a white person, because that's the only time something
Speaker 1: y'all actually want to listen to. You know, actual real
Speaker 1: problems is when it comes out of a white person's mouth,
Speaker 1: and then you won't do shit about it. Go figure yet.
Speaker 1: So again, the next time you look at one of
Speaker 1: your white co workers at the workplace, just know that
Speaker 1: the black people who are there probably earned their spot.
Speaker 1: Most likely the white people who been at your job didn't,
Speaker 1: and probably aren't as talented. Let's just keep it a being.
Speaker 1: And again, if we're talking about diversity hires, remember affirmative
Speaker 1: action statistically has already been proven by the US government
Speaker 1: itself and every other possible possible statistics you can think of,
Speaker 1: that it only has helped white women and gay white people.
Speaker 1: It's done nothing for black people at all. It's helped
Speaker 1: every other group Latinos marginally, but still more than black people.
Speaker 1: Asians helped them a whole lot. But you know, now
Speaker 1: y'all cried about DEI. I mean, you're not getting into Harvard.
Speaker 1: You're gonna blame tyrowd again. Or maybe it's because a
Speaker 1: lot of y'all were cheating, but you know, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that because Asian community gets real sensitive.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, so Liam Cohen from multiple reports out.
Speaker 2: Of you gotta keep the ship moving because we're only
Speaker 2: halfway through the rundown.
Speaker 1: I'm about get out of this. I'm about to go
Speaker 1: out of his onion trip. So allegedly, for multiple reports,
Speaker 1: he didn't talk to the Bucks, he didn't tell anybody
Speaker 1: he was taking the interview because the condition of him
Speaker 1: getting the contract was not taking the interview with the Bucks,
Speaker 1: I mean not taking the interview with the Jaguars. So
Speaker 1: the only person he talked to was Todd Bowles. But
Speaker 1: Tam Bowles already knew by that conversation that he had
Speaker 1: taken an interview with the Bucks. Because head coaches know things.
Speaker 1: He did what was best for himself. He played both
Speaker 1: sides against thegether it is what it is. There should
Speaker 1: probably be the same way the Falcons got punished. The
Speaker 1: Jaguars should probably be punished because too many repeto sources
Speaker 1: are him out and said this is what happened. We'll
Speaker 1: probably find out.
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't really even blame him because I think,
Speaker 2: but yeah, hard you gotta like, just because you have
Speaker 2: a job doesn't mean you stop looking for a job,
Speaker 2: And just because you found a potential job doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you shouldn't stop looking for a raise. Because either way,
Speaker 2: like fighting fighting about on two fronts, like when they
Speaker 2: can combine and be beneficial for you in the long run.
Speaker 1: If you do, it's got to justify the means. It's like,
Speaker 1: you could take this into the relationship world. You could
Speaker 1: take this to anything. If you're being offered more money
Speaker 1: than you've ever gotten, allegedly he was getting being Johnson money.
Speaker 1: But if I offer you the top spot and you
Speaker 1: could just be like, if you could be somebody's main
Speaker 1: and get married, why would you stay a side piece?
Speaker 1: That's like, that's the only way I could like, it's
Speaker 1: common sense. If that's how it fell out, that's what
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do. Now. The Jaguars embarrassing the Rooney
Speaker 1: rule by even having Patrick run waste his time to
Speaker 1: fly out there, now they should be punished for that.
Speaker 1: That's all I gotta say. But yeah, since we're talking
Speaker 1: about with all the ship.
Speaker 2: All right, the Raiders hired the Bucks assistant GM to
Speaker 2: be their main GM, Spikey I think his name was,
Speaker 2: or spy.
Speaker 1: Tech or something like that. Yeah, it's great again. I
Speaker 1: think him Pete Carroll and Belichick or not Belichick. But Brady,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in lockstep, especially since Brey Belichick's not.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's not really in the coach under the coaching
Speaker 1: tree of Belichick technically are we We're not saying he
Speaker 1: isn't right, he's technically his own, so if he's his own,
Speaker 1: but he understands the Patriot way and he helped create
Speaker 1: a team that got to a Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's a plus, especially for the Bucks. They're
Speaker 1: building the right stuff there, so to win for the
Speaker 1: Raiders for once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at the
Speaker 2: bus last few drafts, they've made the obvious pick, but
Speaker 2: it worked out for them, Like they've developed these guys
Speaker 2: and that's something.
Speaker 1: The Raiders haven't done. So I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: I think strategically they probably aligned on a four to three,
Speaker 2: which which I'm privy.
Speaker 1: To ivve is in this draft class. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if you get Mason Graham, but I'm not taking Mason Grahama, Listen,
Speaker 1: I was like a four to seven or some crazy shit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, have had some money issues, but
Speaker 2: they always seem away seem to find ways around it,
Speaker 2: which is what.
Speaker 1: You want from a GM. So Florida to Texas, I
Speaker 1: mean Florida to Vegas. Yep, sales tax that matters, all right.
Speaker 2: The Colts higher for defensive coordinator at the same position.
Speaker 1: Al right. I forget how to say his last name,
Speaker 1: but y'all can google it. He was the Bengals DC
Speaker 1: that led him to a Super Bowl appearance. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: perfect with the Colts. I'm surprised the Raiders didn't snack
Speaker 1: him up. SPECIs Pete Carroll didn't snack him up. But
Speaker 1: he's perfect for what the Colts need, and he probably
Speaker 1: is gonna be a great help to what they're trying
Speaker 1: to build on offense, especially like bringing to Nasty. They
Speaker 1: already have a front seven in corners and like I mean,
Speaker 1: Juju Brins was hurt, but he's healthy again, so I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Colts are gonna be right there, and think they're
Speaker 1: actually gonna get better.
Speaker 2: I don't really have anything to add to that other
Speaker 2: than I feel like the Colts defense kind of fell
Speaker 2: of cliff this year. I feel like they were pretty
Speaker 2: good the past two years and then this year they
Speaker 2: were just made as fuck.
Speaker 1: So hopefully they can stir the ship right.
Speaker 2: Texans fire offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick after two years.
Speaker 1: Take your tangent. That's crazy because he was literally seen
Speaker 1: as a head coaching candidate after one year and now
Speaker 1: he's fired.
Speaker 2: Not for long, That's why they call it that. Obviously,
Speaker 2: this is in response to the struggles c J. Stroud
Speaker 2: had this year, which honestly, I don't even know if
Speaker 2: you could put on slowick because they had so many
Speaker 2: injuries to the receiver room all season long. But I mean,
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon, CJ Stroud, that defense, I mean, there's no
Speaker 2: reason why that team shouldn't have at least kept it
Speaker 2: a little closer with Casey at least, you know, showed
Speaker 2: some sort of control and you know, wanted to see
Speaker 2: something from them, And I just don't think the offense
Speaker 2: really ever looked like it got its.
Speaker 1: Footing in that game. And I think that, to me
Speaker 1: was kind of.
Speaker 2: The deal breaker, because, yeah, you could have brought him
Speaker 2: back for one more year with everyone healthy, like let's
Speaker 2: see what happens, but you would have been in the
Speaker 2: same position, you know, five six games and having to.
Speaker 1: Make a switch.
Speaker 2: You're better off making that switch now, getting the guy
Speaker 2: you really want and settling on you know, whatever coordinators
Speaker 2: in house midway through the season. So saying all that,
Speaker 2: I respected Texans for ripping the band aid off, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I probably would have given him a plee just because
Speaker 2: of how good the first year was and some of
Speaker 2: the adversity they had this year. But yeah, with that,
Speaker 2: I understand the logic, All right, touchdown or turnover? Mark
Speaker 2: Andrews refused to talk to the media after he dropped
Speaker 2: the game winning two point conversion versus the Bills touchdown
Speaker 2: and turnover.
Speaker 1: I can't call it a touchdown because Mark Andrews did
Speaker 1: not indeed catch the ball and didn't score. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the whole outrage behind it is a turnover
Speaker 1: because technically you don't have to speak to the media.
Speaker 1: Not everybody has to speak to the media. And Cam
Speaker 1: Newton brought up a great point. Fox Sports got all
Speaker 1: kinds of sexual harassment and sexual assault allegations, and Joy
Speaker 1: Taylor and everybody else went back to work like nothing happened.
Speaker 1: ESPN has had the same thing. NFL Network had it too,
Speaker 1: and you didn't have you didn't run and put a
Speaker 1: camera in front of you know, everybody's face who got
Speaker 1: fired from NFL Network. So that's totally different. But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, that's what I'm saying, like it's
Speaker 1: a sliding scale. Yes, he should speak to you guys,
Speaker 1: but technically he doesn't have to, and he can make
Speaker 1: up any bullshit reason he wants. You've been to how
Speaker 1: many media scrubs, Pete, how many times have you showed
Speaker 1: up the shit and somebody just didn't want to talk. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a waste of your time as a media member.
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to it, they don't have
Speaker 1: to say ship and they can throw up they can
Speaker 1: throw up a straw man on anyways to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk anyways, all right, let me
Speaker 1: hop in here.
Speaker 2: It's a turn on the opposite of what you're saying
Speaker 2: is like yes. And also, how many scrums have you
Speaker 2: gone to? How many opening statements have you heard that
Speaker 2: don't really say ship? So, Mark Andrews, you could have
Speaker 2: got up there, you could have given a really brief
Speaker 2: statement and just said something anything, because at the end of.
Speaker 1: The day, like say something I'm there for.
Speaker 2: Well, in theory, the media should be there to represent
Speaker 2: the fans in the audience. So they're asking on behalfy
Speaker 2: the stance in the audience they want to see it. Now,
Speaker 2: granted there'd be some people in there just for clouds
Speaker 2: and selfies, but we don't got to get into that.
Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is the press conference is
Speaker 2: there to address the fans, the public, the people. And honestly,
Speaker 2: it wasn't Mark Andrews's fault, like the team should have
Speaker 2: never been in that position. They were in that position
Speaker 2: for a number of different reasons, three of them being
Speaker 2: on probably the best player in the world, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: But Lamar took the stage right, Yeah, think about that
Speaker 2: super Bowl, bro, think about that Super Bowl Broncos Carolina.
Speaker 2: Like Cam still took the press conference afterwards.
Speaker 1: You have the trouble, you know what, you know, none
Speaker 1: of his receivers were there because none of them could
Speaker 1: catch the fucking ball.
Speaker 2: Like, I respect Cam giving him a plead as a player.
Speaker 2: Cam took a lot of press conferences that weren't the
Speaker 2: best of times he.
Speaker 1: Did after he almost fucking died in a car crash,
Speaker 1: so he was all fucked up.
Speaker 2: So for me, like he should understand why it is
Speaker 2: important and why it should have been important to Andrews
Speaker 2: because not just that, but it's like, to me, this
Speaker 2: signals that Andrews knows his days in Baltimore number because that,
Speaker 2: to me is a question that he didn't want to answer,
Speaker 2: much like how Cooper Cup had to answer it and
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: here next year. I don't think Mark Andrews wanted to
Speaker 2: give that response because as far as.
Speaker 1: Dropping the ball, like I.
Speaker 2: We could have given him a number of please like
Speaker 2: I said. He could have said, it wasn't all my fault.
Speaker 2: You know, we shouldn't have been in that position, type
Speaker 2: one diabetes. He could have said, you know, obviously nobody
Speaker 2: wants to drop the ball in that position, but you know,
Speaker 2: things happen, like blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: There's a number of things he could have said.
Speaker 2: He could have He could have you know, went full
Speaker 2: of scorched earth, like, yeah, that was totally on me.
Speaker 2: You know I should have did that. They paid me
Speaker 2: a lot of money to make those catches. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: There's a number of different talking points and talking tracks
Speaker 2: he could have taken. But choosing to say nothing just
Speaker 2: makes your silence even louder. And with this uncertainty in
Speaker 2: the off season, that's not what you needed, especially after
Speaker 2: you were hurt last year and you know you kind
Speaker 2: of had to rehab your way back and you still
Speaker 2: weren't right, and you still kind of had to rehab
Speaker 2: your way back through camp.
Speaker 1: It like, you don't want another off season like that.
Speaker 2: Just address the elephant in the room so that we
Speaker 2: can move on, so that fans can move on. But
Speaker 2: now you just left things uncertain, and they's gonna be
Speaker 2: uncertain like this all the way until August and September. Like,
Speaker 2: not only are fans not gonna forgive you for dropping it,
Speaker 2: but now they're gonna not forgive you for not looking
Speaker 2: them in the eye and telling.
Speaker 1: Them what the fuck happened. Technically, he was so depressed
Speaker 1: about it, it's sad. And also, like the Bills, he
Speaker 1: could have just gone up there eighty thousand dollars like Bills,
Speaker 1: fans give him, like eighty thousand dollars. That charity troll
Speaker 1: is crazy, but that's beautiful though, Like is it? It is?
Speaker 1: But it's like if you're gonna whoop my bills, the
Speaker 1: Bills have actually pioneered the fucking charity trolling, which is
Speaker 1: crazy whooping your ass and then giving you money for
Speaker 1: a foundation that everybody cares about. Like, I mean, show
Speaker 1: up to the mafia. No whoa, whoa whoa what Bill's mafia?
Speaker 1: Obviously you want to get black sided, bro, you want
Speaker 1: to just walk outside and get paperbaged. All right?
Speaker 2: Um, the twenty twenty seven College Football Playoff National Championship
Speaker 2: will be healthy, will be touchdown turn over.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking touchdown and I will be there. Mark
Speaker 1: my fucking words, I'm so serious. You're not depriving me
Speaker 1: of that one. You don't want to give it to
Speaker 1: me because in Texas, hey, I can catch a fucking
Speaker 1: gray hand, I can catch a mega buster Vegas, I
Speaker 1: don't even need a room. I mean, I'll get one obviously,
Speaker 1: because I'll be in Vegas for a week. But like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go the other way with this, I'm gonna down.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's a turnover. They keep having pro
Speaker 1: sec states.
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm gonna say it's a turnover.
Speaker 1: Georgia playing a fucking home game.
Speaker 2: I love Vegas, don't get me wrong. I love Vegas.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say it's a turnover because one your plays,
Speaker 2: not because one, yeah, sure, I didn't even think about that,
Speaker 2: but that's a good point. One the pickums aren't even
Speaker 2: legal in Vegas, so yeah, you can't. You can't do
Speaker 2: any Project picks Underdog, none of that ship out there.
Speaker 2: So that sucks, but that's kind of a tangent.
Speaker 1: That's why they're doing it. What I don't like about
Speaker 1: this movie is two things.
Speaker 2: One, the Raiders stadium is small, in comparison to where
Speaker 2: they have these games. Usually usually you're looking at a
Speaker 2: place of over you know, one hundred thousand, eighty thousand,
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: The Raider Sam's only fifty, So that's gonna check out.
Speaker 2: The prices twice as much because these games always sell out.
Speaker 2: So that means all prices for everything is gonna go
Speaker 2: twice as much, which means all the people that are
Speaker 2: going are just gonna They're not gonna be you know,
Speaker 2: mom and Dad, who you know been season ticket holders
Speaker 2: and have been fans for twenty years. They're gonna be
Speaker 2: corporations and executives flying from all over the country because yeah,
Speaker 2: Vegas is easy to catch a flight to. Going there
Speaker 2: and spending money and everything in that city is going
Speaker 2: to be ridiculous that weekend, even worse than Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And because I mean for.
Speaker 2: Some of these places, some of these teams, these Georgia fans,
Speaker 2: these Alabama fans, they don't have anything else going on
Speaker 2: in their life, so going and spending ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: on the Super Bowl if their team is there, is
Speaker 2: like no I mean, on a on a championship game,
Speaker 2: that's nothing for them, because that for them is priceless
Speaker 2: versus like a Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl is like, eh, yeah, maybe I'm a wife on
Speaker 1: egos fan.
Speaker 2: I might go, but I might really just stay and
Speaker 2: watch it with my friends and at a local bar.
Speaker 1: College kids and also college not getting you're not getting
Speaker 1: nowhere like the allotment for some of these ball games.
Speaker 1: But my thing is, I.
Speaker 2: Don't have really and and you really want to start
Speaker 2: the new year off with two hundred college kids in
Speaker 2: a place where prostitution, weed drinking in public is legal.
Speaker 1: Yes, because the're gonna be extra security, I mean, but
Speaker 1: that and traffic is gonna be a nightmare. Finally catching
Speaker 1: the bus.
Speaker 2: Last part, and this has been something I've been talking
Speaker 2: about the past few years. I'll say it again, but
Speaker 2: this is also the delusion of college football balls.
Speaker 1: As we know it.
Speaker 2: Like the Las Vegas Ball is not traditionally a college
Speaker 2: football playoff game, nor is it a historical college football
Speaker 2: bowl like the Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Colton Bowl, Rose Bowl,
Speaker 2: et cetera. So now you're pretty much making it to
Speaker 2: where the national title game can go anywhere, which is
Speaker 2: good for a place like LA because you could have
Speaker 2: it at so far. Again, but it's so bad for
Speaker 2: these you know, essentially regional institutions that rely on these
Speaker 2: big games to really get a surge of revenue at
Speaker 2: the end of the year, and that's just not going
Speaker 2: to have the same sort of pool if one, these
Speaker 2: players aren't playing in it, and two now it's losing
Speaker 2: its luster, and three now we're just getting random fucking
Speaker 2: male sponsors and pop tard sponsoring shit just because you know,
Speaker 2: these regular traditional brands aren't spending their money on it anymore.
Speaker 1: I would push back a little bit and say they
Speaker 1: saw the record profits that could be made, and honestly,
Speaker 1: Vegas should have more stuff like this, Like you don't
Speaker 1: already feel about college football all Star games, move that
Speaker 1: ship to Vegas. If it's not the Senior Bowl, it
Speaker 1: should be in Vegas. Nobody's I'm not going to the
Speaker 1: Tropic Hanniball. I'm sorry, it's not gonna do it. It
Speaker 1: comes down to easy access for West Coast journalists, because
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, if it's anything past Mason Dixon line,
Speaker 1: a lot of these East Coasters, they're the ones that.
Speaker 2: Already said it, Bro, don't elaborate on it.
Speaker 1: You gotta keep it moving, bro. I'm done, all right,
Speaker 1: What was it last one.
Speaker 2: Uh, Texas part away with their team president Greg Grison.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he with the Colts? No that you're thinking of
Speaker 1: Ryan Grigson. That was the text since GM it was.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because the Texas president and they got rid
Speaker 1: of them, which will let me know. Okay, we're solidified
Speaker 1: in our head coach and their coordinators in that situation.
Speaker 1: So the Texas are really smart.
Speaker 2: Rid of a guy that edited you Joe Mixing and
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs in the same season and you still made
Speaker 2: the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, what's the finn even come back?
Speaker 2: I mean, still though you he made he rolled the dice,
Speaker 2: he made the he made the play.
Speaker 1: He was great until he towards a CEO, until he
Speaker 1: wasn't fucked. My whole season up in Fantasy all my
Speaker 1: elite receivers got hurt. Did you hear the joke or
Speaker 1: should I repeat it? You can repeat it, but I
Speaker 1: was trying to be nice and play past it all right?
Speaker 2: Uh faara fay Marcellswelli versus Ryan Clark. You got like
Speaker 2: literally two lines on all these like one into two lines.
Speaker 1: Oh this ship is corny, y'all? Are grown men? Fight
Speaker 1: or let it? Go. But like Michell's why he's making
Speaker 1: it known. He's just making content out of Ryan Clark,
Speaker 1: and Ryan Clark's kind of coming off sensitive even if
Speaker 1: he's right, and it's like, bro, fight and handle this
Speaker 1: shit off camera. I'm tied to myself. Wiley constantly throwing
Speaker 1: up Canter. It's like, bro, we get to hear from content.
Speaker 1: But like you're being kind of corny. You went to Columbia,
Speaker 1: you should know. Yeah, I'm gonna say, but he's making
Speaker 1: money off of a beef, so I can't be mad.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's a fit for a lot of
Speaker 2: reasons that you said. I think for me, it's hard
Speaker 2: to see someone that I really respect and know a
Speaker 2: lot about and have admired a lot.
Speaker 1: In Marcel's Wiley just kind of being reduced to the
Speaker 1: guy who just you.
Speaker 2: Know, talks about the people and that are talking about
Speaker 2: the other people. I understand why he does it. I
Speaker 2: mean we kind of do it too. He's on his own,
Speaker 2: he's an independent, so you gotta find ways to make content.
Speaker 1: And then he's got such a big.
Speaker 2: Following that people are asking him about these things that
Speaker 2: other people are saying.
Speaker 1: So ultimately I just think it's a.
Speaker 2: Fade because One, I feel like Marcellus Wiley's bigger than this.
Speaker 2: Two Ryan Clark is coming off sensitive because, as Marcelle's
Speaker 2: Wiley has said repeatedly, like I'm not a tough guy.
Speaker 2: I grew up around tough guys and they kept me
Speaker 2: away from them for a reason. Like I know my place,
Speaker 2: I know who I am. I'm the big corny Smiley,
Speaker 2: funny dude. Like That's who I've always been and that's
Speaker 2: why I'm going to keep being so Yeah, overall, I
Speaker 2: think it's just it's a fade because y'all ain't really
Speaker 2: gonna get Jake Paul in the line and fight. So
Speaker 2: what are we really talking about? You know, like you
Speaker 2: stay in your lane, staying in his lane, and let's
Speaker 2: just keep it a beam, all right. Don Julio and
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Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 1: You know what they're.
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Speaker 1: to have a mixer. Hey, don't shut up. I can't
Speaker 1: say what I want to say right now, but you
Speaker 1: shut you got to fuck up, Okay, all right. All
Speaker 1: I'm saying is we stray further and further away from
Speaker 1: God's love every day, and when this bitch finally gets destroyed,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna feel bad for most of you,
Speaker 1: because we need we gotta start popping off more CEO.
Speaker 1: I want to know whose idea this what I'm saying
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Speaker 1: these gin these little punk ass whatever they're called now,
Speaker 1: they're not even called gin zers anymore. They can't hand,
Speaker 1: they can't even handle Don Julio. They die off four locos.
Speaker 1: They don't even drink exactly. So ended up, this is
Speaker 1: really aimed at Millennius. This is spitting at us and
Speaker 1: giving our parents to face. Hear me out. Two things.
Speaker 2: One, I don't think tequila and fried chicken go together
Speaker 2: like that, but maybe maybe it'll be a fried chicken
Speaker 2: taco or maybe it'll be like a tequila flavored wing
Speaker 2: that could be which both of those could be fired
Speaker 2: because I would try it.
Speaker 1: So I'm with that, But also shouldn't have been a
Speaker 1: hypnotic or hennessy. Yeah, you're too afraid to bring up
Speaker 1: incredible Holk was right there. Incredible Holk right there. It's
Speaker 1: worse than bringing back TikTok only to say like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we might band it again in ninety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are selling TikTok phones for like two grand.
Speaker 2: If someone about my phone or two grand phone, any
Speaker 2: phone that already has TikTok on it, grandpa for like
Speaker 2: two grand because you can't download TikTok new. So if
Speaker 2: you have TikTok on your phone, you can flip your
Speaker 2: phone for like twice the price right now. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you got an iPhone fucking seven, So bit is an iPhone.
Speaker 1: It's not phone C it's not literally an iPhone seven.
Speaker 2: No, it's not bitches after the eleven iPhone, it's really
Speaker 2: eleven and a half. No, iPhone se is an iPhone
Speaker 2: seven Max.
Speaker 1: You've got the eleven. It's the iPhone seven on Mastard.
Speaker 1: That's all it is. It's like the remastered version, you
Speaker 1: know how they drop Now I understood you. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with the trauma of what you just said,
Speaker 1: Like I'm it's sunk in.
Speaker 2: But hey, if it got TikTok on it, then at
Speaker 2: least it's you knows instead of one hundred. Just made
Speaker 2: me feel like shit, brom feel there's some little kid
Speaker 2: that will buy your ship just as an eyepad touch,
Speaker 2: just so.
Speaker 1: They have tick talk. Bro. I don't have TikTok on
Speaker 1: the phone, oversight, but it's on my other phone that's broken.
Speaker 2: Jerry quits Patriot's Safety of Jabrill Peppers of his assault.
Speaker 1: He still caught the cocaine charge, but uh yeah, fair faith.
Speaker 1: Apparently the fight called when like apparently allegedly Juju Smith
Speaker 1: Schuster was smashing a girl in question, and that's what
Speaker 1: caused initial reaction. And yeah, I hate being lied on.
Speaker 1: I know how it feels, so yeah, i'd be mad too,
Speaker 1: and I would out or sue for damages. It's just me.
Speaker 1: But he was quitted.
Speaker 2: But one point we have made on this podcast. How
Speaker 2: many times y'all got millions of dollars, y'all have traveled
Speaker 2: around the whole world, and y'all are still staying around
Speaker 2: the same horrible females.
Speaker 1: That's it. Last one, Robert Saller returned to the forty Diners, Sir,
Speaker 1: Fade Pete's right, I owe him some hood Burger spot
Speaker 1: because he kept saying he's gonna go back, and I
Speaker 1: deep down I knew it too, But I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: is what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like when Destiny's Child got back together and everyone
Speaker 2: was like, oh, Beyonce's not going to show up, but
Speaker 2: then she did show up. The same thing with En Sync,
Speaker 2: where it was like, uh yeah, Justin is not going
Speaker 2: to be a part, and he ended up being a
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 1: It's like some sometimes the winds just blow your.
Speaker 2: Home, and that's just what it is like. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if solid two point is going to
Speaker 2: be as good as one point, oh, but I knew
Speaker 2: that was the direction.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: We literally got four minutes, so you literally have to
Speaker 2: do the one to two minute rat which the segment
Speaker 2: was intended to be, So speak whatever you gotta speak.
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me to speak because I'm gonna just do it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm telling you that you'nutes a fucking setup.
Speaker 1: He's cutting cutting my time. He's already forty five seconds
Speaker 1: over all. Right, bottom line, it's been a great week.
Speaker 1: I guess it hasn't been a bad week. It's just
Speaker 1: been a week. So I'm thankful and excited. Hopefully you know,
Speaker 1: figures cross safe travels out to Texas. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a storm. The storm is supposed to
Speaker 1: have already cleared up, though, at least to the part
Speaker 1: of Texas. I'm going to, so fingers crossed all that
Speaker 1: good stuff. Shout out the Clarinet for having my fucking
Speaker 1: back and taking two hundred and fifty dollars off my trip.
Speaker 1: Real ones, real friends, and yeah, all y'all can kiss
Speaker 1: my ass with all this racism news. I just h
Speaker 1: DJ Academics is a total pedo out here. Just listened
Speaker 1: to fifteen year old. It was weird, very uncomfortable. It's
Speaker 1: on live. It's a four k all on x or
Speaker 1: Twitter whatever. Anyways, we're out. I'm out paced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh, I'm sorry to get down the mobile
Speaker 2: this week wanted to take some time off, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't able to, so still going to be working, but
Speaker 2: they try to get as much interviews done as I
Speaker 2: possibly can. And yeah, man, hopefully my work situation works
Speaker 2: itself out. And outside of that, man, it's been I
Speaker 2: have a weird week. I mean any week where you
Speaker 2: have the Martin Luther King Holiday, with the National Championship,
Speaker 2: with the inauguration, like, it's just kind of a weird
Speaker 2: time in the vortex and Trump's already like rewritten seven
Speaker 2: different things, and eggs are still forty dollars and yeah,
Speaker 2: shit's getting weird. I don't know what's gonna happen, but
Speaker 2: people are seeing stuff in the sky and SOCl like,
Speaker 2: so we're time to be alive. So hopefully this podcast
Speaker 2: brought you at least a year, I mean at least
Speaker 2: an hour of some fucking clarity and concise commentary. But yeah, Touchdowns,
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Speaker 1: We're out. Tune in next week, Huge Draft special. We're out.
Speaker 1: Peace