Speaker 1: It's time for Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on
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Speaker 3: There's a lot that can be said about this show,
Speaker 3: Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's that comes to you
Speaker 3: live every day here on Sports Talk seven ninety. And
Speaker 3: I hope when things are said it's good stuff. But
Speaker 3: I know if you listen even a little bit, you
Speaker 3: know that I'm really transparent sometimes maybe a little bit
Speaker 3: too much, and I'm a little distracted by myself as
Speaker 3: as we get the show started today because self deprecation, clearly.
Speaker 2: I use it.
Speaker 3: It's a thing, and it's always worked seemingly, but sometimes
Speaker 3: I even really just surprise myself about how.
Speaker 2: Stupid I can be. And today is one of those days.
Speaker 2: Because I was I was.
Speaker 3: Carrying my my headphones in my in my hand because
Speaker 3: I knew I was a little bit short on time,
Speaker 3: and sometimes it quite literally because I use these old earbuds,
Speaker 3: these like original iPhone earbuds. In fact, these might have
Speaker 3: these might have been around when when the iPod came out,
Speaker 3: maybe they weren't even making iPhones. Like these are really
Speaker 3: really old, but I love them. I only use them
Speaker 3: for the for the show. And I mean I've tried
Speaker 3: other earbuds and they're just not the same. So they're old.
Speaker 3: They get really tangled up. And I was holding a
Speaker 3: monster Energy drink in in the hand that the that
Speaker 3: the the wire the headphones were also in, and I
Speaker 3: reached over with my other hand once I got my
Speaker 3: backpack on in here to try to you know, to
Speaker 3: try to untangle it. And it wasn't even like crazy tangled,
Speaker 3: but I just, I guess, for a brief second, forgot
Speaker 3: that I had an open drink in my hand, so
Speaker 3: I just, without thinking, turned my hand upside down and
Speaker 3: just spilled my drink all over myself, which ch agin like,
Speaker 3: who does that me? Sometimes I can just be a
Speaker 3: dumbass in a way that really amazes me. But I've
Speaker 3: got no I tick. I'm not gonna take my pants off.
Speaker 3: That'd be weird, could get in trouble. I don't really
Speaker 3: know if we have an HR department here internally, but
Speaker 3: you know, probably probably not worth the risk. But anyways,
Speaker 3: that can't keep me down having Monster Energy drink all
Speaker 3: over my pants and my socks and shoes. Because today's
Speaker 3: a special day, and I mean a really special day.
Speaker 3: We've got the return of the company man here producing
Speaker 3: the show, mister John Alden, I mean, welcome back.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to be back.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm happy that you're happy to be back. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be a little bittersweet though, because obviously this is
Speaker 3: just a rare occurrence for us, And I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure at some point we'll be working together on the
Speaker 3: air here elsewhere, who knows. And I don't mean, like
Speaker 3: you know, different employers, but we do have a lot
Speaker 3: of live broadcasting that goes on within this with this,
Speaker 3: with this company, I heart Louisville, and we don't have
Speaker 3: as many people as we did many years ago.
Speaker 2: In fact, we don't have as many people as we
Speaker 2: did a few.
Speaker 3: Months ago, so you never know, but it's always great
Speaker 3: to work with you and not only do we not
Speaker 3: work together on the same show anymore, like we never
Speaker 3: see each other because you get here at like four
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: I woke up twelve hours ago at three am. So
Speaker 2: does that ever get easier? I'll tell you the one
Speaker 2: thing that has gotten easier is my body has at
Speaker 2: least adjusted to going to bed early, but it has
Speaker 2: not adjusted to waking up that early. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't know if I don't know
Speaker 3: if if it would ever be something. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: all right, here we go, ready to start the day.
Speaker 3: But God bless you, because I mean, I feel like
Speaker 3: most people like you when you consider when they start their.
Speaker 2: Day, I mean where we are now, I.
Speaker 3: Guess more so by the time we get to six o'clock,
Speaker 3: you'll be finishing up, you know, the show with me.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you got up at the same
Speaker 3: time a lot of people did, you'd be going to
Speaker 3: bed at that time because you know, it's a hell
Speaker 3: of a day. But yeah, I listen every morning. I
Speaker 3: don't get to hear a big part of the show,
Speaker 3: but I do listen to you on with Tony Cruz
Speaker 3: and the crew, and you know you're doing a good job.
Speaker 3: I feel I feel like like a proud uncle or
Speaker 3: something whenever I hear you have especially when you put
Speaker 3: Cruse in check. Sometimes you know, not necessarily you know,
Speaker 3: body bagging, but you know, you hold your own and
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Usually when it comes to college sports, a feeling well, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, I mean, I know Cruz, he's a sportsman.
Speaker 2: He used to be.
Speaker 3: Uh he's one of the legendary hosts that hosted a
Speaker 3: legendary show. What was it over like fifty plus years
Speaker 3: there was sports talk on HAS from six to eight
Speaker 3: and you had Van Vance, you had Tony Cruz and
Speaker 3: Lachlan McClain. I mean, last I checked, those guys are legendary.
Speaker 3: So anyways, happy to have the company man back and
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Speaker 3: we will let you guys be a part of the
Speaker 3: show today because I have I have a question for
Speaker 3: for both fan bases, and I think it's pretty fitting.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't you know, I don't think I'm
Speaker 3: really having to go out and go out of my
Speaker 3: way to throw something out there to see if we
Speaker 3: can get some interaction from listeners, because I think if
Speaker 3: you're a Kentucky fan, you clearly in the last I
Speaker 3: don't mean maybe it's been something you've been thinking about
Speaker 3: longer than the last forty eight hours, but especially since
Speaker 3: the Tennessee game's out of the way in Cala, Perry's
Speaker 3: coming into Lexington on Saturday for his return, and of
Speaker 3: course it's been a big topic this week or fan's
Speaker 3: gonna boo. I've seen a lot of infighting within BBN
Speaker 3: about if you boo, you're a piece of scum or
Speaker 3: you know the hell them, And I mean, I've got
Speaker 3: thoughts on I mean, people.
Speaker 2: Can do it.
Speaker 3: First of all, people can do whatever the hell they want.
Speaker 3: And I would never and would never be able to
Speaker 3: really understand why I would never do it. And I
Speaker 3: don't understand why others feel the need to like tell
Speaker 3: tell people how they should and shouldn't be a fan.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes if somebody's gonna do something that's that's
Speaker 3: over the top, you're not really telling them not to
Speaker 3: be You're not really telling them how to be a
Speaker 3: fan or how to not be a fan. You're really
Speaker 3: just telling them, like not to be a scumbag, right,
Speaker 3: Like if John Calipari's walking to this bench and somebody
Speaker 3: throws a you know, full play to nachos at him,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not don't be a bad fan, that's
Speaker 3: don't be an a hole. Like that's just don't be
Speaker 3: a piece of garbage. So that's a big thing. So
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess if you are against people booing,
Speaker 3: I want to know something other than well he did
Speaker 3: he did good for us, because like who's disputing that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I'm looking at it from a little
Speaker 3: bit of a different lens because I I think on
Speaker 3: Cali Perry as a human being, I would never know
Speaker 3: if he's a good or bad man. I think he's
Speaker 3: done some good things. I also have wondered if you
Speaker 3: know he did it to try to, you know, look
Speaker 3: like a good guy, or if he really is a
Speaker 3: good guy. And at the end of the day, if
Speaker 3: you're doing a good deed, you're doing a good deed.
Speaker 2: And that's good.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think Cali Perry, I mean I've
Speaker 3: seen some things. Again, would never claim to know him,
Speaker 3: but I know some things about him from some people
Speaker 3: who do that.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a great dude.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't, so like, yeah, he did
Speaker 3: some good stuff for you, but like he hated you
Speaker 3: all towards the end, and he may not show that now.
Speaker 3: He's really doing a good job of being cal and
Speaker 3: acting like you know, it's going to be emotional and
Speaker 3: so many great times, so many great friends, and he's
Speaker 3: been the night. I mean really since he left, he's
Speaker 3: been the nice guy. And I think he was always
Speaker 3: going to do that until he couldn't. And I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if he ever will be able to be the
Speaker 3: heel as far as like in your face, look at
Speaker 3: me now, because I mean, let's be real, this thing
Speaker 3: has I mean, this thing is is falling off the
Speaker 3: rails pretty early in Fadeville. I mean, they're not a
Speaker 3: good team, and I mean I don't They'll probably be
Speaker 3: better during his time there than they are this year,
Speaker 3: but the ceiling's not super high for them there. And
Speaker 3: I think if Cal was in the same position as Kentucky,
Speaker 3: you know, with a bunch of really good wins, looking
Speaker 3: like a surefire bet for the tournament, he might.
Speaker 2: Be a little like if the roles were reversed, he.
Speaker 3: Might do like the sympathy thing and talk about how
Speaker 3: Mark's really I mean, he's doing a phenomenal job, but
Speaker 3: he'd also be real like arrogant about it because he
Speaker 3: would feel like, look at you guys, he wanted me gone.
Speaker 3: But he can't do that because his team's terrible and
Speaker 3: he's doing everything he did in Lexington, but you know,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the good will built up there. He
Speaker 3: doesn't have the resources to where even when things are
Speaker 3: not going as good as they should, they still aren't terrible.
Speaker 3: Because you know, you can roll out of bet It
Speaker 3: Canentucky and be a recruiter like he is and at
Speaker 3: least be decent to good. And I don't mean you
Speaker 3: could mean cal Perry deserves all the credit for being
Speaker 3: an elite recruiter, but I mean, if you bring in
Speaker 3: that kind of talent and you've got Kentucky behind you,
Speaker 3: you can be you can be good enough to you know,
Speaker 3: not get canned because you don't have good excess. And
Speaker 3: o's because your players alone are going to do enough
Speaker 3: to where you're not, you know, terrible. So anyways, I
Speaker 3: just I'm not saying Kentucky fans should boo him because
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's people that I don't like that
Speaker 3: I genuinely, you know, in life, I don't want I
Speaker 3: don't want to give them the energy or I don't
Speaker 3: want to give them my energy and make it seem
Speaker 3: as if they they've won to where I'm thinking about
Speaker 3: them a whole lot. But yeah, there's people if they
Speaker 3: come up in conversation, people that I've had, you know,
Speaker 3: history with, yeah, I would tell you I don't like them,
Speaker 3: you know, And I not to say that I'm hoping
Speaker 3: on their downfall, but you know, maybe I am. I
Speaker 3: don't try to think about it, but if I did,
Speaker 3: maybe I would end up at the end of that
Speaker 3: thought thinking, you know what, Hell, yeah, I hope they've rotten.
Speaker 2: Hell.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would never want to be that way,
Speaker 3: because you know, I try not to be a bad person,
Speaker 3: but you know, I just I wouldn't boo anybody just
Speaker 3: because that's not my personality. Like booing a person is
Speaker 3: weird to me. Doing it at a game, it's totally
Speaker 3: different because you know, you're you're in the moment, Like
Speaker 3: sports makes this crazy people and booing at a game
Speaker 3: is such a normal thing, right, Booing the refs, that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, Booing a bad call or booing the
Speaker 3: opposing team, that's just normal.
Speaker 2: But it really isn't anyway normal. Like imagine just being.
Speaker 3: Upset at your food when you go to Chipotle, just boo.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's not normal. So, like that's one
Speaker 3: thing I thought about on the way in. Is there's
Speaker 3: so much talk about it. Are you gonna boo? Should
Speaker 3: you boo? You better not boo. I'm gonna boo. Like
Speaker 3: it's a silly thing overall, But no doubt, regardless of
Speaker 3: what you do, if you're somebody that's like, Nope, I
Speaker 3: would never boo him because I appreciate him. He brought
Speaker 3: it to a title. Or if you're somebody that is
Speaker 3: going to, you know, say the hell with him. I
Speaker 3: mean it, but it's an emotional thing, and I'm just
Speaker 3: I guess if you are somebody that's gonna be bothered
Speaker 3: by the fan base booing him, and if it seems
Speaker 3: as if there's more booze than cheers, I just wonder
Speaker 3: why is it because you just love cal that much
Speaker 3: or because not to say you should hate the man,
Speaker 3: but he is at a different school that you compete against.
Speaker 3: You're playing him Saturday. And also he wasn't good to
Speaker 3: you towards the end. Not only did he not sustain
Speaker 3: success that he needs to sustain. And I'm not talking
Speaker 3: about like going to final fours every year like he
Speaker 3: did in his first five years, like he was, I
Speaker 3: mean two of the most two of the most embarrassing
Speaker 3: losses Kentucky's ever had. The NAA Tournament came in two
Speaker 3: out of three years with him coaching, when he had
Speaker 3: a National Player of the Year one year, and you know,
Speaker 3: three of the best guards in college basketball, three of
Speaker 3: the best shooters that ever played a Kentucky. And he
Speaker 3: was never humble like he never, I mean he always,
Speaker 3: you know, acted like I don't who do we play next?
Speaker 3: I gotta go home and pet my dog like.
Speaker 2: He would he would.
Speaker 3: He was an a hole to you guys, And what
Speaker 3: I think is wild. And I'll give Shannon the dude
Speaker 3: some credit. I heard him briefly this morning mention this
Speaker 3: on the pre show, and He's right. Cal never really changed.
Speaker 3: He's been the same guy to you guys from start
Speaker 3: to finish. He just stopped winning and then he started
Speaker 3: to really kind of dip and then he became you know,
Speaker 3: if anything, I guess he became more stubborn, and you
Speaker 3: get that way when things aren't going well. But at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: he was consistent.
Speaker 2: It's just man.
Speaker 3: Whenever he's not on top of the world and he's
Speaker 3: acting like that, you know. I don't want to say
Speaker 3: you grow to despise him, but I mean, I look
Speaker 3: at it like this. It was a I well, I
Speaker 3: was going to talk about something personal, but I shouldn't
Speaker 3: do that because it's not my business. But I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's people out there that know of a marriage or
Speaker 3: maybe it was them in their previous marriage, that the
Speaker 3: divorce when it actually happened wasn't as hard as you thought,
Speaker 3: because like the years leading up to knowing you're falling.
Speaker 2: Apart, that's the hardest that is. That is what that is.
Speaker 3: When you're real, really struggling because you know this isn't
Speaker 3: gonna work. We're not we're not in sync anymore, we're
Speaker 3: not in love anymore. And you know, you just go
Speaker 3: through the sadness and then you know, you break the
Speaker 3: ice and then you go through the process and it's
Speaker 3: still not something that you enjoy or that's fun, but
Speaker 3: like the hardest part's kind of out of the way.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that happened with Kentucky. They knew,
Speaker 3: even if they didn't tell you, but they knew Cal's
Speaker 3: best day. I mean, I probably didn't know we're gonna
Speaker 3: lose to Oakland. It was that guy's name who went
Speaker 3: off for him, Golki. Yeah, I always forget his name,
Speaker 3: and I should remember him forever. I should get his
Speaker 3: I should get his name tattooed on my body.
Speaker 2: But you need to expect that.
Speaker 3: However, I mean, you knew, like you knew that that
Speaker 3: that your team was not going to be as good
Speaker 3: as they should be with him towards the end, and
Speaker 3: he was never gonna change. He was gonna be stubborn,
Speaker 3: not adapt to the new times and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. So I don't know, I've I've found myself
Speaker 3: kind of interested in the whole dynamic here. But anyways,
Speaker 3: we'll let you guys react to it. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I mentioned something in a moment ago that that I
Speaker 3: need to correct. I don't think you're gonna see I
Speaker 3: guess maybe more so here a good mixture of cheers
Speaker 3: and booze. I think that the the audio like what
Speaker 3: you're gonna hear hether you're there or it's on television,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a negative thing for col because I
Speaker 3: would be willing to bet those that aren't gonna boo,
Speaker 3: A lot of them aren't gonna cheer, right, like not
Speaker 3: gonna root him on. They're just kind of sitting silence,
Speaker 3: like okay, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't think you're gonna get a mixture of cheers and booze.
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna get a mixture of cheers, silence,
Speaker 3: and then a little bit of I'm sorry booze silence,
Speaker 3: and then some applause and cheer. But I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's I don't think it's this or that.
Speaker 3: I don't meaning I don't think you're if you if
Speaker 3: you're not booing your cheer, and I think if you're not,
Speaker 3: if you're not booing, you're probably just gonna sit there
Speaker 3: like you typically do whenever they announce the opposing coach,
Speaker 3: for you know, for Kentucky basketball games. So what I
Speaker 3: wanted to bring in Louisville fans with this is who
Speaker 3: are you cheering for? And I kind of think I
Speaker 3: know the answer, But I have found it pretty pretty
Speaker 3: easy to continue to hate watch Cali Perry coach. Right,
Speaker 3: Like Arkansas winning in Kentucky fans being sad about it,
Speaker 3: I feel like would have been something that I as
Speaker 3: a Louisville fan that is very much invested in the rivalry,
Speaker 3: I feel like that would have been something I would
Speaker 3: have enjoyed. But I mean, I'm still loving seeing cal
Speaker 3: choke and lose games that he probably shouldn't lose with
Speaker 3: a bunch of really talented players. And I'd be a
Speaker 3: liar if I told you I don't know this for sure. Right,
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll go see a therapist and they'll tell me
Speaker 3: why I have these thoughts. In fact, that's a pretty
Speaker 3: helpful thing if you've never done it before.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I learned a lot about why I think the way
Speaker 3: I do when talking to a therapist. But I don't
Speaker 3: think that the reason I'm still rooting for Caw to
Speaker 3: lose is because Kenny Paine's on his bench. Like I'm
Speaker 3: not mad. I mean, it's still crazy that it happened,
Speaker 3: but it's in the past. Like I still think Kenny
Speaker 3: Payne is a bomb as a coach, I mean, and
Speaker 3: I thought he really handled him self very poorly as
Speaker 3: a human with the whole situation here. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: my thoughts, But like it's not something I sit around
Speaker 3: and stew on. Again, as I've said many times, the
Speaker 3: only time I think about Kenny Paine and his two
Speaker 3: years here as a coach is when it hits me
Speaker 3: how great things are going now.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, but.
Speaker 3: The for it to be as bad as it was,
Speaker 3: as consistently awful as it was from start to finish,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's how you ended up in the situation
Speaker 3: where you get Pat Kelsey and you know, here we are,
Speaker 3: none of us knew if it was gonna work out.
Speaker 3: That's like I think if Rick Bettino was at Iona
Speaker 3: earlier than he was and he was having great success
Speaker 3: and Chris Mack stunk in his first two years.
Speaker 2: We'd be real bitter towards Rick.
Speaker 3: But because Mack was winning pretty early and the success
Speaker 3: was there in his first couple of years, he didn't,
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't even.
Speaker 2: Something you thought about.
Speaker 3: Like if Louisville was in a terrible position and let's
Speaker 3: say Pat Kelsey was awful and we got like five wins.
Speaker 3: Right now, I think all the anger would be honestly
Speaker 3: towards a variety of people, but Kelsey be one of them,
Speaker 3: Heard would be one of them, but probably more so
Speaker 3: Kenny like now just comes up in conversation like did
Speaker 3: that happen?
Speaker 2: Is that real?
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm asking Louisville fans, do you do
Speaker 3: you want to see Cal and Kenny Payne lose? Like
Speaker 3: would that give you anything? Or are you still going
Speaker 3: to be I would say the common Louisville fan which
Speaker 3: doesn't know how to not root for the team playing
Speaker 3: Kentucky because that's me, right Like, I think I'm going
Speaker 3: to be cheering for Arkansas and it'd be the first
Speaker 3: time ever in my life as a Louisville fan if
Speaker 3: Kentucky basketball is on and I'm you know, not up
Speaker 3: yelling or hooting and hollering, but like I'm I'm wanting
Speaker 3: them to win and not the opponent. So maybe this
Speaker 3: is going to be a real learning experience for me,
Speaker 3: right Like, maybe Pope is going to be that hard
Speaker 3: to dislike to where I'm still just gonna prefer to
Speaker 3: see you know, Cal lose and Kenny Payne.
Speaker 2: Lose, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just I don't think that it necessarily deserves game
Speaker 3: day like Kentucky fans did. But if they got it,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't complain. And if there's anybody to blame for
Speaker 3: it not getting maybe more attention from ESPN.
Speaker 2: It's that Arkansas sucks. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, and he's at Arkansas, Like Arkansas is a
Speaker 3: good program, certainly a really good program when it comes
Speaker 3: to fans support, they've got more history. Eric Musselman reminded
Speaker 3: people that Arkansas in fact was a basketball school and
Speaker 3: can be a basketball school, but you know it's not Kentucky, right,
Speaker 3: So certainly a big matchup on Saturday, and I have
Speaker 3: no doubt Kentucky will win, but it's because Arkansas is
Speaker 3: just not any good all right. Some other things we'll
Speaker 3: get into today, certainly a lot that we need to
Speaker 3: run through, and I mean a whole lot. I mean
Speaker 3: some I mean some nonsports stuff that, of course, you know,
Speaker 3: we'll have some fun with. But obviously the tragic situation
Speaker 3: last night where the collision at the Reagan National Airport
Speaker 3: with the hellic I mean, I don't even really know
Speaker 3: how to talk about it right, like I could. I
Speaker 3: could be straight newsman and read you the news reports
Speaker 3: and updates, but I'm sure you already have that information,
Speaker 3: and that's not really what we do here. But something
Speaker 3: like that, I mean, that's my biggest fear about flying,
Speaker 3: something like that happening, and it's such a rare thing,
Speaker 3: it's I mean, but man, the amount of people who
Speaker 3: have lost, I mean, who are dead from this, It's
Speaker 3: just it's horrific. It's one of those things that doesn't
Speaker 3: seem real and leaves your speechless. So I didn't want
Speaker 3: to ignore that, and I'm not really sure what I
Speaker 3: can add to it, but what a horrific situation. Some
Speaker 3: other things we'll get into. I don't know if we
Speaker 3: have a whole lot of details just yet, but not
Speaker 3: a great look for Terry Rozier. I don't mean, I
Speaker 3: don't want to accuse him of something that, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe he is not involved in, but it now has
Speaker 3: at least gotten out to I think it was the
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal who broke the story that federal prosecutors
Speaker 3: have been investigating Rosier because he might have been involved
Speaker 3: in the John tay Porter point shaving situation. So there's
Speaker 3: a ring of people accused of conspiring with Porter, and
Speaker 3: there's I guess, I mean, there's belief enough to have
Speaker 3: a law. Again, this has been a long term investigation
Speaker 3: that that that they believe Rose is a part of that.
Speaker 3: So again, I hope that's not true for a variety
Speaker 3: of reasons, but man, Terry may be the ultimate guy
Speaker 3: that that that that at this point if he is,
Speaker 3: if he is involved in something, you know, if he
Speaker 3: ends up impacting his livelihood where he's held accountable legally
Speaker 3: and loses his career in the NBA. Love Terry, Love
Speaker 3: his story, and we'll expand on him a little bit
Speaker 3: later in the show because I actually think there's some
Speaker 3: things about Terry that a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 3: But he'll go down as the biggest dumbass ever. Terry
Speaker 3: Ro's here, one of the highest paid guards of the NBA.
Speaker 3: What the hell's he doing now? If it's to help
Speaker 3: out a buddy, I mean, that would make it make
Speaker 3: more sense, But you're still going to be categorized. This
Speaker 3: is an insanely foolish person that did something really stupid
Speaker 3: that that like good, ruin your life, ruin other people's lives,
Speaker 3: so again, I don't think we're gonna get any new
Speaker 3: information today, but it is out there, and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: not a good look. We talked about this yesterday and
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what else we can we can add.
Speaker 3: But the love fest for Tyler Shuck continues, as he's
Speaker 3: looking really good at the Senior Bowl. And I don't
Speaker 3: know what his ceiling is as far as the draft, right,
Speaker 3: I don't know how early he can go. But other
Speaker 3: than just being a guy who's older that did have
Speaker 3: injury issues early in his career, I'm not really sure
Speaker 3: what they're what there is to not like, And I
Speaker 3: don't mean that he's got the ceiling as if some
Speaker 3: of the as some of these other young quarterbacks who
Speaker 3: are going to go first round. But you know, Shuck's
Speaker 3: got a really good arm, he's got a good feel.
Speaker 3: You know, he seems to be pretty clutch too, and
Speaker 3: and he put together a really good season for Jeff Brohms.
Speaker 3: So I uh, I love to see that he's getting
Speaker 3: a lot of love, but I'm I'm more so anxious
Speaker 3: to see, Okay, how much is he really improving his
Speaker 3: draft stock here? Because he's been talked about more than
Speaker 3: any quarterback there and and that can only that can
Speaker 3: only mean good things. But again I don't know where
Speaker 3: you know where that could put him as far as
Speaker 3: what round he could be expected to be taken. Also,
Speaker 3: last thing I want to mention before we take a
Speaker 3: time out is I continue to try to at the
Speaker 3: table here. Big news for the ACC as ESPN has
Speaker 3: picked up their option for the TV deal. The network
Speaker 3: granted rights. All that you know, the grant of rights
Speaker 3: ending in twenty thirty six was a known thing for
Speaker 3: many years, but it became a bigger conversation once lawsuits
Speaker 3: were filed by Clemson and Florida State, Because until I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: until February first, the ACC hadn't Yeah, I'm sorry. ESPN
Speaker 3: had until February first to decide are they going to
Speaker 3: opt in for the remaining years? So if they decided
Speaker 3: not to, the deal would end in twenty thirty seven,
Speaker 3: and that's when if it's fallen apart, nobody's held to it.
Speaker 2: Therefore the ACC would die.
Speaker 3: Right it falls apart, there clearly would be some value
Speaker 3: in the league.
Speaker 2: But you worry about are we going to be one
Speaker 2: of the leftovers? Right?
Speaker 3: Are we going to be in one of these newly
Speaker 3: formed conferences. That's just essentially the has beens of the ACC. Well,
Speaker 3: the acctill stood on in great shape, but this means
Speaker 3: that this won't happen and the league's not going to
Speaker 3: fall apart. And I do think you're going to see
Speaker 3: other conferences maybe take some things that the ACC and
Speaker 3: ESPN are doing moving forward, because let's be real, not
Speaker 3: everybody's getting what they earn, right, Bandy's getting the same
Speaker 3: rev share in football as you know Georgia, and it's
Speaker 3: been that way forever. Well, now the ACC to keep
Speaker 3: the big dogs happy. They're gonna get a little more
Speaker 3: on their plate if they're out there doing the work.
Speaker 3: And that makes sense, right, You get what you earn.
Speaker 3: And just imagine how much more money could be brought
Speaker 3: in by the big dogs and the big conferences. You know, Rutgers,
Speaker 3: You think they're entitledly of the same money that Ohio
Speaker 3: State is. I don't think so. All Right, we're loaded
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Speaker 2: Believe, I believe.
Speaker 3: I read that the driver had a seizure, which of
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Speaker 3: control over the vehicle obviously, and ended up driving through
Speaker 3: one of their branches. So it does sound like for
Speaker 3: the most part, everybody is okay, safe, but man a
Speaker 3: scary situation. I saw a video on I guess it
Speaker 3: was TikTok because really, that's that's my life. Seemingly, I
Speaker 3: didn't realize how much I liked TikTok and used TikTok
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Speaker 3: It was gone for a couple of days, then it
Speaker 3: came back. But there's a video of a guy at
Speaker 3: a car dealership and I don't remember the con text
Speaker 3: or I don't know if we've got context, but I'd
Speaker 3: never seen someone just get that kind of footage of
Speaker 3: all right, I'm sitting here in the showroom at a
Speaker 3: desk that is I don't know, maybe ten yards from
Speaker 3: the from the front the entrance, where of course it's
Speaker 3: just a big glass wall window where you can see
Speaker 3: all the fancy cars, and I think somebody was upset
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Speaker 3: bring a car back and had issues saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: you can't return this car on it, so they just
Speaker 3: drove it through. And man, that would I mean talk
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Speaker 3: and not, you know, not not paying attention to what's
Speaker 3: around you just hear a vehicle ram through of business.
Speaker 3: It happens, probably more often than than I would realize.
Speaker 3: But yeah, hopefully our our friends over at Ellen and
Speaker 3: FCU are doing okay. All right, So big news this
Speaker 3: morning from from the ACC and ESPN as they have
Speaker 3: decided to meeting. ESPN has decided to pick up the
Speaker 3: back half of the contract. The grant of rights was
Speaker 3: signed roughly gosh, maybe eight nine years ago, and I
Speaker 3: didn't even realize there was this, And I imagine a
Speaker 3: lot of these, a lot of these contracts, grant of
Speaker 3: rights deals that had well, never mind, I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: they probably have similar, similar clauses or I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: just things within the within the contract that allows the
Speaker 3: you know, the investor, somebody that's given you all this
Speaker 3: money to put your your content, your games on their network.
Speaker 3: You know, they'll have an opportunity to reset and see
Speaker 3: if they want to pick up the rest of it.
Speaker 3: But all other conferences not only do they, I mean
Speaker 3: they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't have a.
Speaker 3: Deal that is locked in for what was it twenty
Speaker 3: straight years? I mean that's I mean twenty thirty six,
Speaker 3: So it's actually longer than twenty years, I believe. So
Speaker 3: that was silly and we all know that now, but
Speaker 3: it became a bigger talking point because the acc I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever really believed it was
Speaker 3: on his deathbed, because I just assumed that there could
Speaker 3: be a whole lot of people complaining out here and
Speaker 3: you know, claiming that they're owed more money and they're.
Speaker 2: Going to file lawsuits.
Speaker 3: But you really don't, you know, you sign a contract, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, like Clemson in Florida State, which by the way,
Speaker 3: I do love Clemson. Now now that this is probably
Speaker 3: you know, they're going to both Clemson and Florida State
Speaker 3: and other programs too. I'm sure that didn't file a
Speaker 3: lawsuit will love the idea of being able to bring
Speaker 3: in more money based off of what they produce for
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 2: That's the way it should be.
Speaker 3: So Clemson now is like, well, just so you know,
Speaker 3: our lawsuit wasn't about us wanting to leave.
Speaker 2: It was about us.
Speaker 3: We just wanted to We wanted to be able to
Speaker 3: get to actually see the grain of rights and understand
Speaker 3: what our options were. They're trying to play nice now
Speaker 3: we're Florida State. I mean, I think they looked foolish
Speaker 3: doing it at the time, and man did they look
Speaker 3: bad after they claimed they were so much better than
Speaker 3: everybody in the league, and they were the most disappointing
Speaker 3: team in college football maybe in a decade this past season.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were one of the worst teams all together.
Speaker 3: And you know, they here they are whole than now,
Speaker 3: and yet they fell on their face. So but if anything,
Speaker 3: they were at least upfront, like you know, you heard
Speaker 3: quotes from Florida State board members that were, you know,
Speaker 3: acting as if everybody else in the league is poverty
Speaker 3: programs and their superior. And then you know, it didn't
Speaker 3: didn't play out that way. But what feared me about
Speaker 3: the future of the ACC was ESPN not picking up
Speaker 3: this this next I guess back half of the contract.
Speaker 3: And I really had no reason to think that they wouldn't,
Speaker 3: but Florida State and Clemson's suing, I mean, that was
Speaker 3: a bad look. Like I think ESPN probably is. I mean,
Speaker 3: the ACC network is such a I mean, think about
Speaker 3: who owns ESPN, Disney. I mean, the ACC network is
Speaker 3: a big deal to us, and clearly it's a it's
Speaker 3: a property that they're investing a lot in. I mean again,
Speaker 3: it's a big investment from ESPN and Disney to work
Speaker 3: with with with the ACC Like they have, but it's
Speaker 3: probably not top tier on their priority list, so they're
Speaker 3: fine with leaving it as is. But I just, you know,
Speaker 3: I worried about everybody. If other schools would have felt
Speaker 3: fear enough to take an illegal move, like Florida State
Speaker 3: and Clemson, then maybe it would have been Okay, this
Speaker 3: is a mess, like there's no there's no real continuity here.
Speaker 3: Not everybody's on the same page. And because of that,
Speaker 3: you know, we're out. And if that happens again, that
Speaker 3: would mean that in twenty twenty seven you you would
Speaker 3: be auditioning to get an invite to the Big Ten,
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, or the SEC and I think louisvill
Speaker 3: would have ended up probably in one of those. But
Speaker 3: I mean maybe I'm wrong, And to be one of
Speaker 3: those left out, I mean you'd be in a different world,
Speaker 3: you really would be. So all in all, it's good news.
Speaker 3: And the I think what makes it absolutely innovative if
Speaker 3: I can it sounds like I'm that sounds like a
Speaker 3: stretch when I use that word innovative. However, I think
Speaker 3: be you know, and it wasn't probably by design. It's
Speaker 3: probably what they felt like they had to do to
Speaker 3: get everybody on the same page to all be good,
Speaker 3: you know, members of the team.
Speaker 2: Of course, the.
Speaker 3: Team meeting the ACC giving schools a bigger share based
Speaker 3: off of what they do and earn. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: just how things should be in life. And this is
Speaker 3: like the first time the ACC's done something that I
Speaker 3: feel like other leagues are going to say, you know what,
Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense, why aren't we doing that?
Speaker 3: And I doubt they even can because I'm sure as
Speaker 3: of now. I mean, if you're in the Big Ten
Speaker 3: and you're Rutgers, or if you're in the SEC and
Speaker 3: you're I don't know, Mississippi State or Kentucky and football,
Speaker 3: you sign something claiming that until this date, this is
Speaker 3: what it is, we're getting an equal share. So maybe
Speaker 3: it's something that does get discussed by the SEC, the
Speaker 3: Big Ten, maybe even the Big twelve whenever they're getting
Speaker 3: closer to working on a new deal with their TV partner.
Speaker 2: But that's the way that it should be.
Speaker 3: And I think in a perfect world you'd have a
Speaker 3: bunch of real big time brands that are doing a
Speaker 3: whole lot to bring value to your league. But that's
Speaker 3: not the ACC. So I mean, Boston College, Wake Forest,
Speaker 3: who else give me some bums from the ACC, John.
Speaker 2: Those are I won't say Virginia Tech, but they're not
Speaker 2: a bomb.
Speaker 3: Well, Virginia Tech is a bum but they have history,
Speaker 3: so they don't look at they're like the they're they're
Speaker 3: the nicer of the bumps. Col' oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Cal And really any of any of the newbies. I mean,
Speaker 3: look Stanford, yes, Stanford, Cal And again they're in especially
Speaker 3: SMU and and Stanford. They're in markets or near markets
Speaker 3: that are big. But you know, they also don't have
Speaker 3: like a whole lot of I mean, the ACC having
Speaker 3: roots in those areas has some value to it, maybe
Speaker 3: more value than I want to give it credit for.
Speaker 3: But like, it's not as if you've just brought in
Speaker 3: this massive audience that's going to watch SMU and Stanford football.
Speaker 3: Because where you're located, you are, i mean, especially Stanford football,
Speaker 3: Like where are they at on the pecking order of
Speaker 3: entertainment when it comes to sports in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3: Probably not anywhere near the top seven or eight. So
Speaker 3: what I'm getting at is these schools out here, they're
Speaker 3: they're gonna think, Okay, this is still good for us,
Speaker 3: because we you know, will take what we can get.
Speaker 3: We know who we are, right, there's no they have
Speaker 3: no argument. So if the ACC fell apart, those would
Speaker 3: be the teams that like who knows what kind of
Speaker 3: because you already see at this point they don't have
Speaker 3: the same money to invest in their programs like other
Speaker 3: schools do within their own league. Right, Like Boston College,
Speaker 3: they like their share of the ACC's network revenue is
Speaker 3: got to be easily the biggest payday they have every year.
Speaker 3: Like where I mean, they don't sell out football or basketball,
Speaker 3: Like they're not monetizing their properties when it comes to
Speaker 3: Boston College athletics in a way that others can.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it might make it.
Speaker 3: A little stressfulter where they got to get more creative,
Speaker 3: but their best case scenario is always going to be
Speaker 3: a bottom feeder and a power for a league. Right,
Speaker 3: you get to Conference USA, you get to the American Even,
Speaker 3: you know you're you're entering a different neighborhood and it's
Speaker 3: not a better neighborhood. So if you can have you know,
Speaker 3: the shack in the neighborhood that maybe was able to
Speaker 3: not be demolished because of some hoa stipulation, you know,
Speaker 3: you just kind of keep to yourself, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: and I think that's what most of the most of
Speaker 3: the ACC members at the bottom will do. And it
Speaker 3: gives you know, for example, SMU, they they are rare
Speaker 3: in kind of in their own world when you think
Speaker 3: about how much money they have. But it's not from
Speaker 3: any review, But I'm just if SMU was this newbie
Speaker 3: that took a big jump up here to the ACC
Speaker 3: and they didn't have all the money coming from boosters
Speaker 3: and they can just round up funds like nobody else,
Speaker 3: it's really rare.
Speaker 2: But let's just.
Speaker 3: Say they entered the ACC this year and everything was
Speaker 3: the same other than that component, no one they got
Speaker 3: money falling out the rear end.
Speaker 2: Well they would have.
Speaker 3: They would have changed everything for them, right, they would
Speaker 3: have been able to take advantage of Okay, not only
Speaker 3: are you going to get a share of the ACC,
Speaker 3: because you remember you were a big part of the value.
Speaker 3: You made the college football playoff. So again, it's good
Speaker 3: news overall. I'm happy that the ACC, I guess you know,
Speaker 3: is not dying and you'll see nobody leave but at
Speaker 3: least not you know, anytime soon. But we got to
Speaker 3: get better. We got to get better in basketball. We
Speaker 3: got to get better in football. I mean, I never
Speaker 3: thought i'd say it a few years ago because the
Speaker 3: ACC in football for a while has kind of been falling.
Speaker 3: It was, you know, Clemson and everybody else, and now
Speaker 3: Clemson's not what they once were, and nobody's come close
Speaker 3: to where Clemson was at that time when they were
Speaker 3: on top. So it's wild to say it, but I
Speaker 3: believe it. The ACC and football, even knowing what it
Speaker 3: is objectively, it's in a better spot than I think
Speaker 3: basketball is. I mean, I know I talk about it
Speaker 3: probably more than anybody wants to hear, but it's.
Speaker 2: Just wild to know.
Speaker 3: Louisvell's in a conference and they have no games left
Speaker 3: on the schedule in January, meaning it's January still and
Speaker 3: they have no games left until early March to get
Speaker 3: any wins of value. They played a fifteen and five
Speaker 3: team and beat them by double digits two days ago,
Speaker 3: and they fell in the metrics. Like that's where we are, folks,
Speaker 3: And again we can't do anything about it. But maybe
Speaker 3: with some continuity now and some togetherness, everybody getting on
Speaker 3: the same page, maybe that'll help with you know, because
Speaker 3: what they need to do, especially in basketball, like there
Speaker 3: needs to be a real message to athletic directors, presidents
Speaker 3: and coaches you have to schedule a certain way.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not gonna.
Speaker 3: Want to lie, and hey, they had to do it
Speaker 3: in football. Do you remember when the ACC was going
Speaker 3: on the road to play at places like APP State
Speaker 3: or East Carolina?
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: I mean you're just asking to get embarrassed, and look,
Speaker 3: you should win. But if you go there and win
Speaker 3: by forty, what did you get out of it? It was
Speaker 3: a charitable act. That's not what this is. This is
Speaker 3: high stakes business. And I remember it being a real
Speaker 3: message might have been from Swafford right before he left,
Speaker 3: like hey, you we.
Speaker 2: Can't do that.
Speaker 3: I know you got fans of NC State that are
Speaker 3: in boone and whatnot, but like, no, like you're just
Speaker 3: giving charity away and then we would the acc'd mess
Speaker 3: around and lose some of those games if you remember.
Speaker 3: Which again, that's what just makes it so frustrating, is
Speaker 3: that when the league is in a tough spot because
Speaker 3: teams are just down, and you know, things that just happen,
Speaker 3: that's one thing, but whenever there are avoidable things happening
Speaker 3: that continue to make the acc in basketball and football.
Speaker 3: Look the way it looks like, that's just like, what
Speaker 3: are we doing here? What we're doing is going to
Speaker 3: take a quick break. We'll come back on the other side.
Speaker 3: I'll get to some of these texts that have come in.
Speaker 3: I asked the question, if you're a Lois a fan,
Speaker 3: who do you want to win?
Speaker 2: Cal?
Speaker 3: And Kenny Payne or Mark popa Kentucky And if you're
Speaker 3: a Kentucky fan, I did get some interesting responses as
Speaker 3: far as why would you be so against somebody booing Cal?
Speaker 3: And we'll get to all that and more. Stick with
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Speaker 2: Get through it. But this text was this text was
Speaker 2: super Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Fan who says that essentially they're not going to boo
Speaker 3: cal because they actually feel sorry for him. And then
Speaker 3: they agreed with me and saying that Nick, you're you're
Speaker 3: spot on. I don't know why anybody would tell fans
Speaker 3: they can't boove. You don't want to boo, you don't
Speaker 3: have to boo. But it They went on to kind
Speaker 3: of talk about it's a long and I appreciate the
Speaker 3: long text, and I do read them. It's just I'm
Speaker 3: not going to read every one of them word for
Speaker 3: word when they're a little bit on longer side.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I I.
Speaker 3: Feel like a phony trying to act like I have,
Speaker 3: you know, the same kind of perspective you could have
Speaker 3: because not only I'm not a Kentucky fan, I want
Speaker 3: you all to lose, Like I mean, so it's quite
Speaker 3: the opposite. But I think in a way, right know
Speaker 3: your enemies pretty well. That's what you want to do, right,
Speaker 3: You gotta be prepared for the ops. I feel like
Speaker 3: I have a perspective. That doesn't mean I'm you know,
Speaker 3: looking out for your best interest. But if I'm just
Speaker 3: being real, like your coach was not good to you guys,
Speaker 3: and I'm not even talking about like winning and losing.
Speaker 3: So again, here's where I'm at with it. If you
Speaker 3: don't want to boo, cool, If you want to cheer,
Speaker 3: do whatever you want, that's cool too. But I have
Speaker 3: just been kind of surprised by those that have made
Speaker 3: it such a big thing to just tell everybody you
Speaker 3: better not boo if you do your your your scumbag.
Speaker 3: That's what I just don't get. And it's not because
Speaker 3: i'm you know, it's not because I think he deserves
Speaker 3: to be booed. But I just like, what other than
Speaker 3: him being your coach and having some good success and
Speaker 3: by the way, that doesn't matter, right, he had some
Speaker 3: great years, just some great things. He brought you back
Speaker 3: as far as relevance at a time that you needed
Speaker 3: it more than you ever did Tubby. That just kind
Speaker 3: of got stale. Good coach, no doubt, but Kentucky wasn't Kentucky.
Speaker 3: They were recruiting players that you really had no business
Speaker 3: being there, and they'd slipped far enough to where like
Speaker 3: you knew you had to do something.
Speaker 2: Well, then you hired Billy. That was a joke.
Speaker 3: You were relevant for all the wrong reasons for that
Speaker 3: two year debacle. Well, Calc comes in. He's on top
Speaker 3: of the world, so like that has value.
Speaker 2: He did good things. I'm not saying that you should
Speaker 2: boo him.
Speaker 3: Because he was a terrible coach, but to me, it's
Speaker 3: just more about It pains me to say it, but
Speaker 3: I've said it many times. It's the truth. Kentucky's the
Speaker 3: best basketball job in the country. There's not a better
Speaker 3: head coaching job in college basketball than Kentucky, and I
Speaker 3: I'm being honest, I don't think I don't think it's close.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of factors that come to play with that.
Speaker 3: I mean, one, you have every resource she'd ever need.
Speaker 3: Five different coaches have won titles there, which I think
Speaker 3: tells you they got three sources. If you can coach
Speaker 3: a little ball you can win. And I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 3: The only two people that coached at Kentucky that did
Speaker 3: not win championships clearly weren't great coaches, but they also
Speaker 3: had drinking issues that absolutely got in their way. So like,
Speaker 3: maybe if they didn't have that, they didn't have to
Speaker 3: be elite. They could still win. So for cal to
Speaker 3: have that have a passionate fan base that still would
Speaker 3: get behind him and support him even whenever he would
Speaker 3: mock them and talk down to them as if they
Speaker 3: didn't know Basketball, would quite literally go out of his
Speaker 3: way to do things that he knew the fans didn't
Speaker 3: like because he was that stubborn. Like, I just think
Speaker 3: he had the best job in the sport, a lifetime contract,
Speaker 3: a salary that nobody else would pay him. I mean,
Speaker 3: he took a pay cut to go to Arkansas, not
Speaker 3: by much, but still he took less money, and he
Speaker 3: gave up a lifetime contract. So he had all that,
Speaker 3: and yet he didn't have any humility at all to
Speaker 3: kind of say, all right, I got it pretty good
Speaker 3: here and things kind of falling apart. Things are kind
Speaker 3: of rapidly declining for me, I should buckle down.
Speaker 2: I should.
Speaker 3: I should, you know, not reinvent yourself, but maybe you know,
Speaker 3: get some hunger back to kind of get this thing
Speaker 3: back on track, because man, I got the best thing
Speaker 3: going right now and I don't want to lose it.
Speaker 3: He never really seemed to have the appreciation for it.
Speaker 3: He felt and this is this text just came in said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna boom my ass off because he's the only
Speaker 3: coach the coached here that I truly believe felt like
Speaker 3: he was bigger than Kentucky basketball.
Speaker 2: I totally get it like that. That's what I was.
Speaker 3: That's literally what I what I was getting at is
Speaker 3: that he felt like it was Cal and not Kentucky.
Speaker 3: And it look it can be both. I think Pope
Speaker 3: is intentionally, but also I think it's genuine. I think
Speaker 3: it's just his nature. But also I think Pope knows
Speaker 3: the their fan base, not that they need the healing
Speaker 3: process that Louisville fans need after the insane Kenny Payne era,
Speaker 3: but they had taken steps back. They were underwhelmed, and
Speaker 3: their coach didn't hit. He didn't check boxes that Pope
Speaker 3: can can check and clear. Some of that's unfair to
Speaker 3: Cal because cal didn't play there. Pope played there when
Speaker 3: a national championship as a team captain. Like that's just
Speaker 3: that's something that you could have the biggest bankroll in
Speaker 3: the world to go hire anybody. They nobody else can
Speaker 3: give you that, because I mean it's a rare thing.
Speaker 3: But he also knows and understands and like is super
Speaker 3: humble and always puts Kentucky in the fans above everybody,
Speaker 3: and you know, that's the way.
Speaker 1: To do it.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I just feel like to just
Speaker 3: treat it like any other game. If you're a Kentucky fan,
Speaker 3: props to you, because I just I don't know if
Speaker 3: I be I would be able to. But you know, again,
Speaker 3: I can't put myself in your shoes. But for me,
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think it comes down to maybe
Speaker 3: he'll one day be humble and admit that he was
Speaker 3: stubborn on the way out and things weren't working, and
Speaker 3: he did say that you know, time for a new
Speaker 3: voice or you know, something like that. But I mean,
Speaker 3: even after he took the deal at Arkansas, he tried
Speaker 3: to come back and walk his dog like it was
Speaker 3: any other day to maybe get to maybe like.
Speaker 2: Oh, he hasn't left yet. He's still here. Can we
Speaker 2: go beg him to stay?
Speaker 3: And they showed up to tell him that, Like, no,
Speaker 3: if you don't, I mean, if you're not taking the job,
Speaker 3: you've violated your contract. You spoke to another job, you
Speaker 3: spoke to another school about a job without getting approval
Speaker 3: or consent to the school. That's part of your contract.
Speaker 3: So I just feel like he was humble. He was
Speaker 3: not humble in any way. All right, let's talk about
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Speaker 3: I mean I look back at pictures of myself from
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