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Speaker 1: What's in your life?

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Speaker 2: You find pocus the turn, You're harder round than next thing.

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Speaker 1: You know your less.

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Speaker 2: Every week.

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Speaker 3: Shooting the serious.

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Speaker 1: Sad he Stampa, Jason.

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Speaker 3: Stamford, that's serious, man, it's not gold shoes.

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Speaker 1: Make as soon as your old fountcy.

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Speaker 4: From me here for retreat, all right, d You and

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I have talked about who has had the greatest twenty

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four hours in the eighties, and we talked about Billy

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Joel having it where he came home and in his

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apartment waiting for him was both Christy Brinkley and El McPherson.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: We also talked about how Lionel Richie hosted the AMAS

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and then afterwards he wrote we are the World and

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everybody came together and made this incredible song. I now

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have a new nominee for greatest twenty four hours in

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the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 4: February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one the Grammys, Christopher Cross,

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in a clean sweep, wins Record of the Year, Song

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of the Year, Album of the Year, New Artist, and

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also just throw in best arrangement on a song right

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for kicks He cleans up Yes. In the eighty one Grammys.

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Speaker 5: Had never been done before and wasn't done again for

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almost forty years. Billie Eilish did it in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: There you Go, Yeah, heck V and night Man. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So today, everybody, welcome to the Shirley Can't Be Serious

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podcast where we're talking about Christopher Cross.

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Speaker 1: Takes me all.

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Speaker 2: The Christopher Cross.

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Speaker 4: Christopherross, our patreons clamored for this matchup. I mean, am

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I true or no?

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Speaker 2: It was a dead heat between this one in Chicago

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and Survivor.

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Speaker 1: It really was.

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Speaker 4: So this week we are starting our compare of Christopher

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Cross's Greatest tits yep to Air Supplies Greatest Tits too.

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Speaker 5: We know we are normally a hard if we're going

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to do rock and not do pop, we're normally a

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hard rock.

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Speaker 2: Approaching heavy metal kind of duo. Us.

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Speaker 5: We haven't done a whole lot of soft rock. As

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a matter of fact, I couldn't think of any soft

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rock that we've done. But I would say these are,

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if you want to call them guilty pleasures, these are

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my guilty pleasure soft rock guys Air Supply and Christopher

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Cross turn it up.

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Speaker 2: Baby, I don't care, we don't care. We don't care.

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Speaker 5: Okay, But for those of you who are not into

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the soft rock, like Jeff Johnson, yes, who called us

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out over Shirley Fest and was like, what what are

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you guys doing? You're going to do Christopher Cross? Now

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it's October two? Yes, do you have anything to say

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to me?

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Speaker 4: Almost?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kissing your forties, goodbye? Have your birthday?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my birthday tomorrow And I've mentioned this before. I

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share a birthday with Tommy Lee, Frank Hannon, and Stee

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Ray Vaughan.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to talk about him right now, ok

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right now, because this is this is relevant to today's podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So Steve Ravon back in nineteen seventy four was nobody.

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He was still playing with club bands, had not gotten

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Double Trouble together. I mean, he was well known as

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a blues guy, but nobody cared about the blues at

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this point in history. He was literally borrowing a guitar

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from the guitar shop just to play in his gigs.

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He was playing Get this. He was playing with Steven Tobolowski.

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Speaker 2: Is that name ring a bell for you? You don't

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remember him? Well, he is sure heck fire remembers you.

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Oh my gosh, ned Head, Ned get Ahead, Ned Needleman,

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Ned Myerson.

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Speaker 5: Was in fact in a band with Stevie Rayvaughn at

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some point, not even kidding this, all right, I'm not kidding,

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Speaker 4: About five seconds and you've blown my mind.

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Speaker 2: OK, So that's where Stevie Rayvaughn was.

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Speaker 5: Right Now, if you know Stevie Rayvon, or if you

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happen to be a guitar player and just are familiar

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with some of the more iconic guitars in history, his

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is one of the most iconic. Very clearly, everybody will

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recognize it because it has his initials sr V stickered

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onto the pickguard of the guitar. Now, little side note,

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the guy he had go get his stickers actually couldn't

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find a V.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a you, which is why it's very rounded.

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Speaker 5: Right, So, back in nineteen seventy four, Stevie ray Vaughan

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bought this guitar second hand. It's a secondhand guitar. Now,

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this is the guitar he called the wife. This is

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his number one guitar, and you look at it today.

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It's in the Texas Music museum down there, and the

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finish is completely worn off where he's just hit it

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so many times with pick it's got cigarette burns in

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the head. The head of it actually broke and had

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to be replaced with something else. Right, But this is

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the guitar that he played as his main guitar for

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his entire career. And we all know how good that sounds, right, Yeah,

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for sure. Now here's the rest of the story. It

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had been traded the day before Stevie ray Vaughn bought it.

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It had been traded to the guitar store by Christopher Cross.

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Speaker 1: What there you go?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 5: Christopher Cross wanted a beefier guitar. He had been playing

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this Fender and he wanted a beefier guitar, and so

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he went in and traded his Fender Strat for a

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gibson less Paul. What And it's this fifty nine gibson

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less Paul that he got that he plays on the

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first song that we're going to talk about today. And

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let me just tell you in this in researching this episode,

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I think I can say with confidence Christopher Cross is

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the most underrated guitar legend that has ever been big

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in the music industry. I mean, we talked about it

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with Prince, but Prince you still I mean, you've got

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let's go crazy. You've got the solo that he did

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when they covered my Guitar went gently weeps. I mean,

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he's obviously a musical genius, but Christopher Cross, nobody thinks

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about him playing guitar other than they happen to have

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seen him on stage with a guitar in his hand.

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But when we get to the first song that we're

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about to cover, we're gonna talk about the guitar solo

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at the end of it, and it's and I think

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minds are going to be blown. Let's get into it, man,

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all right, let's go all right. We are covering Christopher

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Cross's greatest hits. Yes, so this is an album that

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came out in nineteen ninety one, so we're going right

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down the track listing.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: However, there are a few songs where I'm like, eh.

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Speaker 2: I had the same thought.

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Speaker 5: I've got a challenge for you, all right, Yeah, I

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think there are probably three songs on this album that

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could have been replaced with better hits by Christopher Cross.

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Would you to tell me which three songs? And there

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are three songs you would replace.

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Speaker 4: You're on Okay, let's go to song number one. That

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song is called Ride Like the Wind. I bought this

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week I'm on the rout, no tame snep Okay.

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Speaker 5: So one of the highlights of Shirley Fest, which was

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just happened this past weekend, was when Jeff Johnson was

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calling us out on covering Christopher Cross and we're like,

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what about Ride Like the Wind? And he said what

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and we said Ride Like the Wind and played it

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and he was like, oh my gosh, I had no

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idea that this was Christopher Cross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I talked to him today and he was like, he goes.

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When I said I didn't like Christopher Cross, He's like,

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I remember the like slow motion turning. He goes, And

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then he dropped the needle on Ride Like the Wind,

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and he goes. I had no idea that was Christopher Cross.

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What a great song.

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Speaker 1: And win.

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Speaker 5: This is the debut single off of his debut album

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went to number two, was kept out of the number

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one spot by Blondie four I Believe four weeks four weeks,

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which he said was not fair because Blondie only released

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that song as a single. You didn't have to go

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buy the whole album. You can only buy a single.

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It had more album sales than his did, right hey, okay, yes,

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that's all true.

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Speaker 4: I gotta give you this top ten though, oh heck, yes, yes,

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so there's some surely stuff going on right here. Okay,

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of course, yes, so, as you said. This song was

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released in January of nineteen eighty. It reaches number two

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April twenty sixth, nineteen eighty. Here's your top nine. I'm

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gonna give you nine, okay, yeah, so number nine You

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May be Right by Billy Joel Love It. Number eight

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I Can't Tell You Why by the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, yepkay.

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Speaker 4: Number seven fire Lake by Bob Seger. We just talked

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about how we both kind of love that song exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Number six Lost in Love by Their Supply, Their Supply.

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Number five Special by Ray Goodman and Brown.

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Speaker 2: Don't recall that one.

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Speaker 4: Just listen to that song? Yeah, horrible, ri, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 4: Number four with You I'm Born Again by Billy Preston

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and Serrita. Okay, I listened to that one. What are

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Speaker 2: Okay? All right?

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Speaker 5: Well we I mean we talked about when we did

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our top five of nineteen eighty it was it was

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a tough little rough and this is the beginning of

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nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 4: One, right, this is like the remnants of the seventies. Okay, Okay,

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number three another brick in the wall, of course. Yes,

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then you've got right like the wind and call me some.

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Speaker 5: Stinkers, but some absolutely Mount Rushmore kind of exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I would listened to an interview with Christopher Cross

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and he did say my clock may be off just

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a bit on the chronology. He did say that they

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held his first album until after Christmas nineteen seventy nine. Okay, Okay,

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I show that it was released in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to make the.

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Speaker 4: Case that this is the last great album of the seventies. Okay,

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So the competition is an album by Utopia.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we're saying this is what the last week of

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Speaker 4: Nineteen seventeen, and last week in nineteen seventy nine. Okay,

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you have another album by Neil Diamond called September one.

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Speaker 4: I didn't recognize anything on that hot all right, I'm

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not saying it's not great. I don't recognize it. And

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then you have the clash London calling but that was

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like a week earlier. Okay, so great album, not the

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last great album.

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Speaker 2: Though, Okay, okay, go yeah, okay, okay, So here's a

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Speaker 5: So we've established that Christopher Cross is a great guitarist,

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and we're going to learn more about that when we

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look at the end of this song. But he was

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so good that when Deep Purple came down to Houston

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and Richie Blackmore got sick and couldn't play, they were

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going to cancel the show. And somebody said, hey, there's

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this kid not only can shred the guitar, he knows

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all of your Deep Purple songs. And that kid was Christopher.

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Speaker 4: Christ Cross Christopher Gebert at that time. Yes, right, yes,

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you're right. They denied this for years and years and years. Yeah,

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and then at the end of Deep Purple's career they

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finally acknowledged it. Richie Blackmore said, you know, I've had

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people kind of step in and kind of help me

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on stage a little bit here and there, he goes,

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but I've never had anybody sub for me. And he goes,

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you're the only one, and.

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Speaker 2: Did you tell me that? Like they put him in

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a wig and and like it did it tried to

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I mean I think he actually had long

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it was not Richie blackmore.

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Speaker 5: Right, They did not say, introducing Christopher Gebbert on guitar, right, Okay,

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so he was that good. He's playing for a lot

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of guys, you know, just a great guitarist. He actually

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started as a drummer ball getting ino that later. But

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he's he's playing guitar and doing very well. But there's

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only so much money that can be made playing guitar

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and bands in the late seventies, right, right, And so

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he started he's an entrepreneur. He started a little side

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business selling weed, of course, and he sold so much

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weed that by the mid to late seventies he had

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accumulated fifty thousand dollars that he had in the Broadway bank.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: With that fifty thousand dollars, he decided, Okay, I need

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to get a good demo. He bought himself at eight Track.

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a brand new studio. So he has a buddy, Steve Shields,

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who is building a full professional recording studio down in Austin,

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and he just says, hey, can I bring my own

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equipment in at a time that you're not recording, like

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five am? Let me come in at five am and

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I'll record my demo with my own equipment. I just

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need to be in your space to have that, you know,

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because they build it to have the best sound, right.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 5: And so he's playing in clubs seven nights a week.

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called nineteen hundred and eighty five by Wings.

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Speaker 4: You sent this to me today, Yes, I was blown away.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So when you're in band and you have to

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play seven nights a week, you have to do things

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to extend your set. I mean you just you find

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there's only so many songs that you can learn, and

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so you're like, okay, what can we do to extend

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the song? Now, nineteen hundred and eighty five is already

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like a five minute and forty second long song, but

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there's this.

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Speaker 4: Break at about three forty in before you play that

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clip dyes. Is it weird to think that there was

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a time when they were writing about the future being

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nineteen hundred and eighty five?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So about three thirty five that piano drop happens,

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and then the guitar solo starts happenings in C minor,

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and so to extend the song, Christopher Cross is playing

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extra stuff and he's developing his own riffs. Okay, so

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they've played for seven nights. He's got this kind of riff.

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They're driving from Houston to Austin so that they can

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get to the studio by five am to do their

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recording like they plan to, and on the way, he

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decides to drop some acid.

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Speaker 2: Because why not.

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Speaker 5: It was the seventies, man, I mean, what else are

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you gonna do? So he drops some acid, and on

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the way he is thinking about this riff that he's

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been playing over this nineteen hundred and eighty five song,

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and he comes up with a plan for a new

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song called ride like the Wind Wind. He writes it

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in red marker on a yellow notepad as they drive

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from Houston to Austin, and he's tripping balls.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: It's about a guy who is sentenced to death, who

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is riding like the wind to get down to Mexico

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to escape the justice.

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Speaker 4: I love it man, It's kind of that cowboy feel well. Yes, Okay,

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Michael McDonald sings the answer back in the chorus in

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this song Okay. The Doobie Brothers were recording taking it

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to the streets, like in the studio next door, and

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he said, Michael McDonald poked in one day and it's

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just like, Hey, what's going on over here, guys? And

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he said he said it was kind of heartbreaking for

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Michael McDonald because he's like, I like what you guys

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are doing over here better than I like what's going

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on over there?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And so he's like, listen, if you need me to

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sing a little bit, help you out.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: He actually started by singing on a different song.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: Christopher Cross had sang both the question and the answer

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on this deal and they were like, I wonder if

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we can get Michael McDonald to come back so good?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know who Elso sings on this track right here?

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Tell me Don Henley, shut up, Don Henley?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So he sings back up on this track.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that, yes, wow.

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Speaker 4: So The interviewer was saying, how did you get Don Hiley? Dude,

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like you were a first time artist, you get Don

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Hilly the Eagles? He said, well, he's a Texan and

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I'm a Texan and Texan support each other.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that is wow. That's great.

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Speaker 5: All right, so real quick before we leave, Yes, I

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have to talk about this the solo at the end.

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Let's talk about this solo is fantastic. If you want

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to get the full treatment, check out Rick Biatto's web page.

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This one's got like three point three million views. As

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he he says, this is an incredible solo that.

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Speaker 2: You can't hear.

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Speaker 4: Can't hear it.

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Speaker 5: You can't hear it because they turned Michael McDonald all

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the way up and they turned his guitar at five.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it is freaking brilliant.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, as Rick Biotto is is is trying

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to play and listen and he was able to pull

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the track like he got the stem tracks and he

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was able to pull it and hear it. He's he's

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throwing out names like this is Angus Young, this is

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Terry caff.

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Speaker 2: This is Jimmy Page. You know, he is just throwing

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out and.

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Speaker 5: He's right, These guitar licks that Christopher Cross is doing

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are just amazing, and it's completely covered up by a

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loud piano and allowed Michael McDonald and I'm really glad

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apparently like Christopher Cross. Like when Rick Biotto put this

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video out, like everybody started blasting Christopher Cross with that.

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So Christopher Cross showed up at Rick Biatto's place.

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Speaker 2: And was like, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 5: And so they talk and he was like, honestly, it

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didn't even occur to me that it was a problem

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because he's so he was intimidated when they got there, which,

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by the way, the intimidation that they all felt because

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they're new musicians in this space is why we have

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this unmistakable.

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Speaker 1: Four on the floor boom boom, boom.

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Speaker 5: Boom, because the producer was like, listen, guys, let's just

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give something on every beat so that you've got it

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and you're not getting you know, you're not losing your

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place and all this other stuff. But he's very like

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I wouldn't say insecure, but he's humble about his own

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guitar playing. And I can't blame him because Eric Johnson

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plays on some of these songs. Steve Lucather plays on

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some of these songs. I mean, he's a smart guy.

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He is surrounding himself with the best in the industry.

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So Lily, this guy has amazing chops that nobody knows about.

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Because he just said, you know, here's my first one.

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I'll play this solo on this one, and now we're

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just gonna get people better than me.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like the end of Running with the Night

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with Leona Ritchie, where Steve Lugather is just going crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and he's he's blisteringly good that you can only

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hear every once in a while. And he said, didn't

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think about it. What we were trying to do was

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create a wall of sound. They were trying to do

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the Phil Spector, you know, just and they it was

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a wall of sound. It was just he was the

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mortar instead of the brick.

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Speaker 4: He is a huge Beach Boys fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Okay, next song, next song.

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Speaker 4: Next song on this album is a song called all Right.

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Speaker 1: I Know noa song you.

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Speaker 2: Okay. It's nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you're watching the nc Double A Division one Men's playoffs, Yes, okay,

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and you might be watching because there's this incredible player

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from North Carolina named Michael Jordan. That's true, but you

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probably weren't because not that many I mean, unless you're

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from North Carolina or we're just a big basketball fan.

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He was just like this kid who is up and coming. Yeah,

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it was probably even less likely that you were there

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for North Carolina State.

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Speaker 2: Now without a doubt.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yes, And it's the finals and they're against Houston

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and they're eight point underdogs, and I watched the end

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of this game and it's one of the most memorable

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moments in NCAA playoff history. Right, they are cornering them

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up by the half court like they're doing everything they

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can not to get fouled.

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Speaker 2: The game is tied.

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Speaker 5: Finally, like last two seconds, chunks one up from deep

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rare a deep deep shot, and it arcs and falls short,

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but Lorenzo Charles is right under the goal, jumps up,

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grabs it, and slams it in at the last second,

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and they win the game, beating Houston. Now, I say

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all that to say a few minutes later you have

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britt Musburger introducing the highlight video and what songs should

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be playing with highlight video.

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Speaker 2: But alright, by Christopher Crawling.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 5: Again, just.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I love that song and that game.

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I mean Jim Balvano, the coach for North Carolina State.

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I could still see him running around the court, look like.

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Speaker 2: What just happened?

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Speaker 7: What you know?

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Speaker 4: And on that Houston team you have Clyde Drexler and

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Keim Alaj Want me like these guys, I slam a

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jam and that is an all timer team.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: I heard a guy say that Orson Wells would skip breakfast, lunch,

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and dinner before North Carolina State would beat Houston, and

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of course they did. Yeah, Okay, I've got a trivia

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question for you regarding this song. I think I gave

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it to you the other night. You did, and I

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called my buddy Jim Butler, and I called David Wright.

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Speaker 2: This is the question.

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Speaker 4: Name the five songs in the eighties that have debuted

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on the Hot one hundred at number twenty nine or higher.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you one. This is one, right, Okay? Was

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this one twenty nine? Twenty nine? Okay?

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Speaker 4: This debuted at number twenty nine when it like, literally

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you release it, it's number twenty nine on the charts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So when you asked me this question, it took me

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about five seconds to go Thriller, and you were like, yes,

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because that one.

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Speaker 2: We know the history on that, Like they didn't.

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Speaker 5: Even want to release Thriller as a single, but the

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album was doing incredible. They were making this incredible video.

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You know that was planned, and so I can see

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release that as a single. It's gonna be it's gonna

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be debuting very high, very high.

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Speaker 6: And what was it.

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Speaker 4: We're twenty twenty. That's the highest release Thriller and it

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like a bullet, okay, but Thriller only moved up sixteen places.

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It never yeah, number one, number.

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Speaker 2: One, that's crazy. And then you said there was there

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was a duo. There was a duet.

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Speaker 5: A duet, that's right, Yes, a duet, like two guys

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who didn't normally sing together. That's true, right, not the

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Righteous Brothers, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So a duet, yes, And then we're gonna say

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a special circumstance, a special circumstance.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So it took some clues and you did, you did

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go well, one of them's one we're studying now. I'm like, okay,

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Christopher Cross, but it did not. I could not have

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told you it was this song. For sure, right, but

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he was on so much fire from that debut album, Huge,

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like sweeps the Grammys, like, I mean, it's crazy and

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Arthur's theme don't forget that. Yeah, Arthur's thing comes in,

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it wins, the Oscar almost wins a bunch of Grammys itself. Sure,

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And so I'm like, okay, Dot Duet, I got nothing

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and You're like, we've covered one of their songs. I'm like, man,

475
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,839
And then I think of Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson

476
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,799
and I'm like is it the girl is mine? And

477
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,440
You're like no, And I'm like is it and you.

478
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 4: Said yes, say Say s debut at number twenty.

479
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,799
Speaker 5: Six, okay, and then you then there was a band

480
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,519
that was involved, and I think on this one, I

481
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,920
don't remember how far along on this one, but we

482
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,960
had talked about it over the weekend and we talked

483
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,200
about covering this band and I was like, is it

484
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:05,200
min at work?

485
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:10,079
Speaker 2: And that is what it was? Overkill number twenty eight.

486
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,519
That was a shocker to me.

487
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, And I think I guessed the other one

488
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,880
and I just brought the album in here and we

489
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,359
were just talking about it moments ago with Lionel Richie's Okay,

490
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,039
just brought the album in here and you get it

491
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:28,759
in front of the camera. There is thank you, Christopher Weber,

492
00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:31,359
you got that for me last year. We're putting it

493
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,799
on the wall now. But Lionel Richie's best twenty four

494
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,599
hours this song, what did this debut?

495
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,519
Speaker 4: We Are the World debuted at number twenty one.

496
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: Nice.

497
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 4: Nice, but let's not let all right get buried in.

498
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,799
This debuted at number twenty nine. That's incredible.

499
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: This is incredible.

500
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 4: So and it's the first single off the second album

501
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:55,480
of Christopher Cross. Jeff Piccaro, Mike Piccaro, and Steve Lucather

502
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,400
play on this song.

503
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 5: Three of the key members of Toto also played on

504
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,359
Eler by the way. They sure did, all of them,

505
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:03,039
They sure did.

506
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 4: This was the last song written for that second album, okay,

507
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,960
because they were trying to They looked at her and

508
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,799
they're like, we need something a little radio friendly, uh huh,

509
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,400
And here.

510
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 5: You got for nineteen eighty what was it three four

511
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,920
eighty three in nineteen eighty three. This is very radio friendly.

512
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,480
So this nineteen eighty seven not radio friendly.

513
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 4: At all, exactly right. Yeah, So, as we've talked, I

514
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,160
mean eighty three, eighty four pretty stacked with hits. Yeah, okay,

515
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,160
I just want to roll through this real quick, all right.

516
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,000
Peaks out at number twelve, okay, okay. Number eleven as

517
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,160
you Are by Lionel Richie Powerhouse in the eighties. Sure,

518
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,920
Number ten maybe one of the worst songs of the

519
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,920
nineteen eighties, passed the Duchy by Musical Youth.

520
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: I don't remember that one.

521
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 4: Number nine back on the Chain Gang by the Pretenders.

522
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

523
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,839
Speaker 4: Number eight we've got tonight Kenny Rogers and Sheena Easton right.

524
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,400
Number seven You and I by Eddie Rabbit and Crystal Gail. Okay, yeah,

525
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,160
I remember, Hey, okay, Number six Bay come to me?

526
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,759
Speaker 2: No, all right?

527
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: Number five hungry like the Wolf.

528
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: Sure?

529
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 4: Number four, do you really want to hurt me? Culture

530
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,440
Club or Ectric Club? Number three Straight Cat Strut by

531
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,079
the Straight Cats had that LP by the way, Yeah.

532
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:18,680
Number two Shame on the Moon okay, Bob Seeger Yeah.

533
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:21,880
And number one Billy Gene. Oh of course you were

534
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,960
not knocking Michael Jackson off that perch.

535
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: No, I didn't realize that the Shame on the Moon

536
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,720
got so high. Number two. Yeah, that's that's impressive.

537
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,279
Speaker 4: So by the way, just a little tidbit, yeah, all

538
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,279
right by Christopher Cross was used for the NCAA Highlight

539
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,039
Reel for a few years until one Shining Moment came

540
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:42,200
and took over.

541
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,039
Speaker 2: Okay, all right.

542
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is a song called Someday.

543
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: So we think.

544
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 5: I feel like this could have been used as the

545
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,039
introduction for some eighties sitcom.

546
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,799
Speaker 2: I agree with you, like Empty Nest or something like that.

547
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 5: Like I can see people doing the freeze frame and

548
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:23,000
the little name going underneath them, you know, oh, you

549
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,039
know what? You know how they do that with Predator?

550
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,240
Like they changed that, Yeah, the end of Predator. Yes,

551
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,359
it's got that. That would be a perfect song to

552
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,440
throw on the end of Predator to see if it works.

553
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

554
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: I can see that, you know, used at the end

555
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:38,519
and the Facts of Life or something like that.

556
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: I am totally gonna do that. I want to find

557
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,480
a way to do that.

558
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: This song came out in nineteen eighty eighth. It doesn't

559
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:46,839
really feel like nineteen eighty eight to me.

560
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 5: No, that's and that's why I was saying where this

561
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,839
would have been radio friendly in eighty three, not an

562
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,319
eighty seven, not an eighty eight.

563
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say this is where we drop

564
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,240
in our first.

565
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,319
Speaker 5: Replacement replacement song. I think you're right, Okay, you're taking

566
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,920
out some day? Yes, what are you putting in its place?

567
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 4: Let's go with swept Away?

568
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 6: Okay, never anything at the Smoothfast?

569
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: Did we look in a shed?

570
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 7: And Mike Malass, I guess I'll let it shoo because

571
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,799
you're smile toomy.

572
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: So ironically, since I just said that, the other song

573
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:33,759
that we threw out could have been used for a

574
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,440
sitcom if you happen to remember Season three of Growing Pains,

575
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,480
episodes one and two, where the Seaver family go to

576
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Hawaii for for Sure. Kirk Cameron aka Mike Seaver, immediately

577
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,759
upon arrival falls in love with a beautiful Hawaiian tour guide,

578
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:58,440
and the montage that follows plays this song from beginning

579
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,880
till end. I just have to think like they were,

580
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,279
just like, hey, guys, we're rocking the networks right now.

581
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:06,680
How about you give us a free vacation, and you

582
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,640
guys fell away find a way to fill up a

583
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400
bunch of space so that we don't have to talk much. Okay,

584
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,079
we're going to do a love montage with Christopher Cross

585
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,640
swept away, playing through the entire thing.

586
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: I know, right, So I told you this is like

587
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,400
the ballad of Mike' sever Right. So he's looking at

588
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,240
this little Hawaiian girl who's like giving the tour, and.

589
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,079
Speaker 2: She's beautiful and all gorgeous.

590
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I could see where a you know, seventeen

591
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,279
or eighteen year old boy be like, eh, I slept way.

592
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

593
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: I went to Kawai a few years ago and I

594
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,119
went to a hamburger stand there in Kawai.

595
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,279
Speaker 5: And you've talked about this on our what third episode

596
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,079
I think is because we talked about Raiders of the

597
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Lost Ark.

598
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: That's right.

599
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,519
Speaker 4: It was right by the mountain that the beginning of

600
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,920
Raiders of the Lost Ark is filmed out. Yes, And

601
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,400
there's a little hamburger stand there and their number one

602
00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,480
seller is an Island Girl and it's a burger with

603
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,599
with pineapple and cheese on is great. So when you

604
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,359
buy the burger, you walk up to the front and

605
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,519
you say, I'd like to take an Island Girl home

606
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,359
with me tonight, and we all.

607
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: How about a burger instead? Okay? All right.

608
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is a song called Love

609
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:19,640
Is Love.

610
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: Shook Him Up.

611
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,599
Speaker 5: Town I can see Jason finally dancing with Catherine Colvin,

612
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,519
who's been begging him to dance for years now. It's

613
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,440
a little Hawaiian shirt on and a little hip shaken

614
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,279
with This song is love, man, they give it so

615
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,839
we didn't mention that in a ride like the Wind.

616
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,960
It starts off with the breeze blowing. You got that,

617
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,240
but it's very subtle. They're like, we're worried it was

618
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,960
gonna be a little too cheesy, but we just kept

619
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,160
it low and it's music comes in quick. This one

620
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,240
has the sounds of birds and waves and seagulls. Yeah, yeah,

621
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,799
you're out on You're out on the beach pretty quickly

622
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,559
into the song.

623
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,759
Speaker 4: I mean, put a lay around my neck, give me

624
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,880
a drink with an umbrella in it, let's go to

625
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,240
the beach.

626
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,119
Speaker 1: I'm good with it.

627
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good with it.

628
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,279
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised it wasn't used in Cocktail.

629
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: Love is love in any language, right.

630
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:44,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, not his best work, but still an okay song.

631
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a decent song. I like it.

632
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 5: I wouldn't kick it off of the album, right, We'll

633
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,960
leave it on the beach. But I mean, definitely. If

634
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,960
I'm on the beach this thing comes on, I'm letting

635
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,640
it play out and I'm drinking my Pina colada.

636
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, next song on the album. Next song on

637
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,880
the album is Words of Wisdom.

638
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,799
Speaker 3: Hockeysten just because of Pain to the side.

639
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:18,839
Speaker 1: Another huh.

640
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,039
Speaker 5: Okay, So this stuff is second album, last song on

641
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,359
the album, and for my money, it is fantastic.

642
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: I love this is This is pure Christopher Cross for me.

643
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,519
Just love it.

644
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 5: Song about how people try to keep giving you words

645
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,720
of wisdom whenever somebody's broken up with you, and they

646
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,559
all sound the same and it doesn't ease the pain.

647
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: He has the voice of an angel.

648
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,839
Speaker 2: He really does. I mean, it's a beautiful, beautiful voice.

649
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 6: It is.

650
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:49,599
Speaker 4: It's in that upper register.

651
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:51,359
Speaker 2: Uh huh. And he can go even higher.

652
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 5: There are a few of these songs where he like

653
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,480
he takes it up another notch and I'm just like, dang, Yeah,

654
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,640
it's not even a struggle. You know, he's not straining.

655
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,640
It's just like he's just gonna go there and it's

656
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,279
gonna be casual for him. He has got incredible range.

657
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard him talk about this album. He did

658
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,119
go to Ballatown a little bit in this album, but

659
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,640
he said, listen, this is the process that I went through.

660
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,359
These are the songs that I wrote. They tried to

661
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,640
make me, turn me into kind of a rock artist

662
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,000
my third album, but this is where I.

663
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,599
Speaker 2: Was at the time, and that's that's cool.

664
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:22,839
Speaker 5: So he can shred like Richie Blackmore, but that's not

665
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,200
what he wants to do. He loved Joni Mitchell, like, yeah,

666
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,079
he grew up. He loves Steely Dan, by the way.

667
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,480
On the note that he is an incredible guitarist. Steely

668
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,559
Dan tried to get him to come play on their stuff.

669
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: I know.

670
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,319
Speaker 2: Steely Dan is known.

671
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: For being hyper hyper critical about getting the best musicians

672
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,559
to they come play guitar, and he's like, I'm not

673
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:46,200
good enough to do that. Yeah, it's incredible, but this

674
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,359
song is I mean, it's beautiful. It pulls at your

675
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,119
heart strings. You can identify with the emotion that he's

676
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:52,680
going through.

677
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,759
Speaker 2: The melody is a hook. It's just all wonderful from

678
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:57,519
beginning to the.

679
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,079
Speaker 4: Meteoric rise that he went through for he literally playing

680
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,680
fraternity parties and super small clubs to opening for the Eagles,

681
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:11,559
and Bonnie Ray was so quick and so fast I mean,

682
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,159
you kind of need words of wisdom. But you know,

683
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,320
the interesting thing is how he got discovered. Do you

684
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,920
know this story? So he's like, all I want is

685
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,800
a record deal. How do I get a record deal?

686
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,320
So he looks in Billboard magazine and he was a

687
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,679
big fan of Warner Brothers because he liked Jenny Mitchell

688
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,119
and he liked he liked Jimmy Hendricks. He's like, okay, well,

689
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,559
I'd like to be a part of Warner Brothers. So

690
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,280
he sees the name mo Osting and he's like, well,

691
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,320
that guy gets tapes all day long. I can't send

692
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,800
it to him. So right under that was his assistant.

693
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,400
So he's like, well, I'll send my tape to his assistant.

694
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,800
His assistant's name is David Berson, good old Dave. So

695
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,199
Dave's his assistant. He's like, well, I'll send him the

696
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,760
tape instead. Well, Dave never gets tapes. He's in administration.

697
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,920
He has nothing to do with an R. So Dave

698
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,360
gets a tape. He's like, holy cow, somebody said munt tape.

699
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: So he listens to it. He likes it.

700
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: So Dave goes to lunch with the head of A

701
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:11,280
and R. His name is Lenny Warner Cruz and Lenny's like, dude,

702
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,119
I get tapes all day long, every day. Plus we're

703
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,280
not accepting anything new right now. Dave's like, no, dude,

704
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,400
you've got to hear this guy's got a great voice,

705
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,360
and basically insists, and they're in the car and turns

706
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,519
it like push it in. You're listening to this, And

707
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,960
so Lenny listens to it and he's like, yeah, this

708
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:33,280
guy's got a voice for radio, you know. And he's like,

709
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,159
I'm not really sure about the songs, but his voice

710
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,480
is terrific. He compared him to James Taylor, and so

711
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,400
Lenny goes on later and says, if he would have

712
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,039
sent it to the A and R Department, it would

713
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,519
have been instantly rejected, but instead found a way around.

714
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: Brilliant.

715
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 5: That's freaking brilliant, incredible, right, Yeah, that's awesome.

716
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,599
Speaker 2: All right.

717
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 4: The next song on the album is a song called

718
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:54,480
say You'll be Mine?

719
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:14,599
Speaker 2: What do you think?

720
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: I dig it?

721
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: I dig it too, man. This is Christopher Gross giving

722
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,719
a little gravel to his voice. You know, we talked

723
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,639
about how beautiful it is, but this is like him

724
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:22,880
getting rushy.

725
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it.

726
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,519
Speaker 4: This is the number one track off of his first album.

727
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,599
Speaker 2: Debut album, Christopher Gross.

728
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it kind of resembles Jimmy Buffett a

729
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:31,760
little bit.

730
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,199
Speaker 2: It's just kind of a feel good little I hear that.

731
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, now that you say it, I can hear that

732
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840
for sure. So, speaking of Jimmy Buffett, another thing that

733
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,199
we haven't touched on. Have you noticed that every single

734
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,239
album cover of his has a flamingo on it?

735
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I think it's this cool little style. Yeah.

736
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 5: I think it's just just plain accident, just like you know,

737
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,119
the first one had a flamingo, and he was like,

738
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,119
why not, let's just keep doing that, you know, why

739
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:53,639
tell me?

740
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 4: So he had a friend who's like, hey, I painted

741
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,400
this picture. I think it looks like your music's sounds.

742
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,159
And so he's like, well, okay, And so they took

743
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:04,760
it to the record company. They're like, well, what do

744
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,360
you think about this as the album cover? And they

745
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,239
cleaned it up and kind of colored it and made

746
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,760
it look good.

747
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

748
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: But you know, part of the reason why he wasn't

749
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,159
on the cover, he said he didn't He wasn't intentionally

750
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,920
not putting himself out there. But he was a big

751
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,360
guy you.

752
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,559
Speaker 2: Know, it's interesting that you say that.

753
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 5: I just want to say this because I always thought

754
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,079
he was a big guy too. But I've looked at him,

755
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:27,199
looked at him performing back in the eighties. Looking he's tall, right,

756
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,159
and he's I mean, I would describe him as maybe husky, right,

757
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,840
But it's not like he's gargant. I mean, he's not

758
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,159
Frank Black from the Pixie. He's got that big old

759
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,800
belly on him, right. The thing is, though, he's got

760
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,440
that face. He's got the face of a guy who's

761
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,000
pushing three hundred, although he's probably like two fifty or something.

762
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,000
And I mean all respect to the man. Beautiful voice,

763
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,719
incredible talent. He looks kind of like slimer in his face,

764
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,039
you know, I mean, I'm just I'm just saying that.

765
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,039
Speaker 2: It's just the truth.

766
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: Right now, I have no doubt that this guy gets

767
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,480
any girl he wants to get just by singing to them. So, hey,

768
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,559
you balance things out. I can't sing like him. I

769
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:07,559
wish I could write.

770
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: I've got a great story on his first wife.

771
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: Did you hear this story? Come on?

772
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 4: So his first wife, she was eighteen, he was twenty two.

773
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,800
He had known her for two weeks, two weeks, but

774
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,320
he said I was a horny guitar player. That was it, right,

775
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,360
So he got they go to the courthouse to get married. Yeah,

776
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,880
and one of his buddies who's standing in as like

777
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,880
his best man. And it was one of those deals

778
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,480
where the judges said, all right, now I pronounce you

779
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:37,599
you man and wife or whatever. And his best man said,

780
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,119
this is not.

781
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: Going to end. Well, take you.

782
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: And guess what it did. It didn't, okay.

783
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 4: In fact, his marriage was falling apart while he's on

784
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,079
this meteoric ascent.

785
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: Right, he said, say you'll be mine and she said no, no,

786
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:09,679
not happened.

787
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 4: By the way, this song reached number twenty on the charts.

788
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: Nice, okay, it's kind of a hit.

789
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:18,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, okay, we're to a point that we

790
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:21,000
got to say, it's the song one of the three

791
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,599
that you've been waiting for, right, it's the one.

792
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: It's the one. Okay, here we go. Next song on

793
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:42,679
the album sailing, But.

794
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 7: It's not foun down. He's not holling winds right, sail

795
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,960
the way find the ability.

796
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: It's difficult to describe the beauty of this song.

797
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: I've heard it hundreds hundreds of times.

798
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 5: I've been singing it in my head for the last

799
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,599
week because we've been covering this album, like it won't

800
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,559
get out of my head. And still when you turn

801
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,320
it on and play it, it makes my heart hurt.

802
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:17,719
It just I mean, it's just an amazing You've You've

803
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,599
got a twenty eight piece string section coming in at

804
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:26,280
the beginning, you get this magical wind chime, and just.

805
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: It takes you away to where you want to be.

806
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,480
Like he said it, like, how how did you figure

807
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:32,960
this out?

808
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: It's not that far to paradise.

809
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:36,199
Speaker 1: It's gold.

810
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,519
Speaker 5: This is just pure gold. Now he says this is

811
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,800
his favorite song off the debut album. Okay, can't blame me, right,

812
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,920
but here's the story on this, right. Yeah, At this

813
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,519
debut album, Warner Brothers, as you mentioned, didn't really like

814
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,840
his songs as much, and so he recorded a song

815
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,679
specifically to be the single that they release. Now, what

816
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,519
they end up doing is releasing ride like the Wind,

817
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,719
because it's got the it's got the four on the floor,

818
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,039
it's got a drive to it, and obviously it does

819
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,360
very well. You mentioned mo ostin they're talking about what's

820
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,559
the next song that is going to get released and

821
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,880
he's he's on tour, you know, so he's talking to

822
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,559
Mostin on the phone and Mostein Mostine says, the next

823
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,920
one we're going to release is Sailing, and Christopher Cross

824
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,199
is like, I don't think that's a good idea. That's

825
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,679
not a that's not a single, that's a that's an

826
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,719
album track, that's not a single. I love the song,

827
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,840
but it's not you shouldn't do it. And Mosting's like, okay,

828
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,960
but that's the next song we're going to release, and

829
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,960
Christopher Cross says, okay, well, I think you're an idiot,

830
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,400
and then there's this long pause and he goes sir.

831
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,400
And it turns out that mo Ostein was the head

832
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,000
of Warner Brothers for a reason, because this is the

833
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:53,960
first number one song for him.

834
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: It's it's just amazing.

835
00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:58,679
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

836
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:03,679
Speaker 4: Takes me.

837
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 5: And you and I have been talking like we talked today,

838
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,239
and we talked about the fact that this is you know,

839
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,760
his daughter is a key producer in the yacht Rock documentary,

840
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:30,760
and you know, it was kind of funny when he

841
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,440
talked about how he made his fifty thousand dollars surplus

842
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
selling weed in order to start his music career. He

843
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:39,840
was like, was that often She's like, no, this is great,

844
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,639
But anyway, yat rock, right, have we said the word yet?

845
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,760
Have we said those two words yet? Okay, So he's

846
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,199
a key part of the documentary. He's obviously a key

847
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,519
part of the scene, the yacht rock scene. And we're

848
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,719
talking to Mike. Is there any way that the term

849
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,840
yacht rock doesn't come from this song? No way, there's

850
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,119
no way, right, I mean, is the epicenter of yachra

851
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,519
it has to be. And I mean I looked at

852
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,719
I looked at yacht rock on the Wikipedia, and it

853
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,400
talks about, you know, beach boys and Sloop John b

854
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,360
and Captain Taneil and all this other stuff. But I

855
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:16,719
said to you, there's no way that without this song,

856
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:20,199
that that is that category of music is still called

857
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,239
yacht rock. It's called something else, absolutely right. Yeah, it's

858
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,239
called asia. I don't know what, you know, It's just

859
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,880
it's not going to be called yacht rock except for

860
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:28,440
this song.

861
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: And this is the definitive. You're on the boat, man,

862
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:33,760
You're on the boat.

863
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I listen to this song and docksiders appear

864
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,880
in my feet. You know, you know, I've got a

865
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,280
knock salt off my arm.

866
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,199
Speaker 5: Okay, so do you know the story behind the song,

867
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Well tell me. It's literally about sailing. Trouble childhood, which

868
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,480
I'll get into a little bit more detail later, but

869
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,760
trouble childhood, and he has a friend who has a

870
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,239
sailboat who's like a kind of a surrogate big brother

871
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,159
for him. He has regular brothers, but this guy was

872
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,119
just kind of there for him whenever he was down,

873
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,960
and he take him out and literally that's where the

874
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,199
words come from. It takes me away, It takes me

875
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,239
away from all of my problems. I can just feel

876
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,920
myself relaxing and being at ease when I'm sailing. Now,

877
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:16,280
he writes this song about that experience. Fast forward twenty

878
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,559
eight years, he's on the Howard Stern Show and he's

879
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,400
talking Howard Stern and Howard Stern's like, who's the guy?

880
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,280
And he's like, ah, you know, I don't. I don't

881
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,800
really feel comfortable, but Howard Stern is Howard Stern. He's like,

882
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,199
tell me, come on, man, come on, just tell me

883
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,599
tell me his name. Yeah, Push, Push Push, and he's

884
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,039
he's a little embarrassed, and he's because he knows what

885
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,039
Howard Stern's gonna do with this? And he's like, okay,

886
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:44,000
it's al ol what glass Cock. And of course Stern

887
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,719
is like, oh, I'm gonna go somewhere with this. But

888
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,039
apparently Howard Stern like puts it out there like does

889
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:53,440
anybody know this Al Glasscock guy? And within minutes somebody's

890
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
called like, yeah, I work with him. He gets a

891
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,840
hold of Al glass Cock and he tries to make

892
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,800
a bit out of his weird last name, but the

893
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,519
is just so nice and easy going that even Howard

894
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:06,119
Stern is just like, yeah, okay, we'll just get we'll.

895
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,599
Speaker 2: Make this friendly.

896
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,639
Speaker 5: Well now, I'm not going to be a dick, you know,

897
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,280
I just will make this friendly. And he calls up

898
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,960
Christopher Cross. He's like, hey, I found him. Do you

899
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,159
want to talk to him again? And they reunite through

900
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,800
Howard Stern, and ultimately Christopher Cross sends him a copy

901
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,480
of his gold record that he got for this song

902
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:28,320
that he wrote while on Al glass Cock's sailboat.

903
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,519
Speaker 4: That's fantastic, great story, what a great story, what a

904
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:34,880
great song. I will tell you this about this song. Yeah,

905
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,920
you mentioned the strings at the beginning. Now that totally

906
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:42,719
capture you right as soon as they start, I'm like, oh,

907
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:47,559
bracing myself for the beauty that's coming. Total accident.

908
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: What Yeah.

909
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 4: So they're mixing it right, okay, and you've got the producer,

910
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:59,280
You've got Christopher Cross, and you've got Christopher Cross's wife's brother. Okay,

911
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,400
his brother, gotcha, yeah yeah, and they this is back

912
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,679
in the day when you had it like on reels, right. Well,

913
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,559
you know, you've got what you've played, and then you've

914
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:11,519
got the strings and when you press play, the strings

915
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,400
started before the studio stuff started, so you have this

916
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,559
swell of strings that was supposed to sync up with

917
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,239
the very beginning of the song. But it happened like

918
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,199
twenty seconds in front.

919
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: Oh.

920
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: And they're sitting there like, oh, whoops, what happened there?

921
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: And the brother in law was like, man, that is

922
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:29,840
so cool.

923
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,199
Speaker 4: You guys did that because that is a really neat

924
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,599
way to kind of capture the beauty of that song.

925
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,719
And they're like, I guess it is kind of cool.

926
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,840
And that's why you have the strings in the beginning

927
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,199
of that song.

928
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,159
Speaker 2: That's great. It is a great story.

929
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Just a couple of little tidbits for you on

930
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,159
this song VH one called Sailing the most soft stational

931
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,280
soft rock song of all time. Soft soft stational. It

932
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,559
hits number one August thirtieth, nineteen eighty, number seven on

933
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:01,800
the Hot one hundred that same week. All out of

934
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,360
Love by Air Supply.

935
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: Very good boo.

936
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 5: In case you weren't paying attention, we are comparing Christopher

937
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,079
Cross to check out our next episode on air Supply's

938
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:11,719
Greatest Hits.

939
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 2: It's coming, Yep, it's coming, all right.

940
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: Next song on the album is the Oscar winning song

941
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:18,960
Arthur Steam.

942
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:20,519
Speaker 2: Best that you can do.

943
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: Once in your life. Fire someone to churned your harder around.

944
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:42,519
Next thing you know your cz down town, wake up minute, Okay.

945
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 5: I genuinely I cannot remember how I had access to

946
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,800
this song. I maybe we had the Arthur soundtrack my house.

947
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,639
I don't remember what it was, but I can tell

948
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,719
you that at six years old, I could not stop

949
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,119
playing the song like I mean, it was my favorite

950
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:05,199
song of that moment, without a doubt. Loved it, loved it,

951
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:06,199
and I still think it's great.

952
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: It is freaking eighties gold. It is, I mean, it's

953
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,440
Oscar winning gold.

954
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: Beautiful piano at the beginning.

955
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 5: I mean, you got a fun movie that goes along

956
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,280
with it, which I mean, if you can't laugh at

957
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,440
being an alcoholic and a dark driver, what else can

958
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,079
you laugh about?

959
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,119
Speaker 2: And you and I will say this.

960
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,559
Speaker 5: You mentioned as a cinematic sin in one of our

961
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,079
group texts that you have not seen Arthur yet.

962
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it either. Really, I feel like we

963
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,519
got to. Maybe we should do.

964
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,519
Speaker 5: That reaction video for that'd be fun. Yeah, but yeah,

965
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:01,400
Dudley Moore and e Liza Minnelli, who also is a

966
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,760
factor in the writing of this song.

967
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: Right, the creation of this song is so unbelievable. If

968
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,039
it weren't true, you would not believe it, right, Okay.

969
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:16,320
This song is written by Burt Bachracht, Yes, I mean huge, famous,

970
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:20,920
great musician, great songwriter. Yes, along with Christopher Cross. Yes,

971
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,440
of course, I mean Burt Bachracht. He did the score

972
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:27,199
for Arthur, so he got together with Christopher Cross. They

973
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:31,320
wrote this song along with a woman named Carol Bayer Sager.

974
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: Who ultimately would marry Burke Backrack.

975
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, okay. And then a guy named Peter Allen.

976
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,559
Speaker 5: Peter Allen and Carol Baker Sager beer Seger wrote songs together. Yes,

977
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,079
they did the line Caught Between the Moon and New

978
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:48,039
York City actually comes from another song that they did together.

979
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,880
It comes from Peter Allen being stuck up in the

980
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,679
air over John F. Kennedy Airport and it's nighttime. He's

981
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,639
literally stuck between the moon and New York City. Yeah,

982
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,920
but what a great poetic line, right, So listen to this, Okay?

983
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 4: So, yes, that line does come from a previously unreleased song. Yeah,

984
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,599
and it's it's really cool. It's it's got that something there.

985
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,079
There's something that she something, right, So listen to this

986
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,119
sticky sticky, it's sticky. According to flight attendant Susan Lena,

987
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,320
she said, Peter Allen was on my flight and when

988
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,840
he was deplaning, he said to me, you have inspired

989
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,079
me to write a song and you will know it

990
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,039
when you hear it.

991
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: I love that. How about?

992
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,039
Speaker 4: How cool is that?

993
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 3: So?

994
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:37,679
Speaker 2: Peter Allen, Liza Minelli's husband, former husband, was it? Yeah?

995
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,079
Speaker 5: I guess yes, very And then I'm quoting Wikipedia here.

996
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:49,880
Flamboyant performer on stage and he after I and Liza

997
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,599
split up, he became partners with the man. Tragically, they

998
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,960
both died of age related cancer with I think within

999
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:59,880
eight months of each other or something like that. But

1000
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,079
he and Carol Bayer Sager had written songs together, but

1001
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,000
she ends up doing more with Burt Backerack, right.

1002
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: That's right, And so what did they do together?

1003
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 4: So Burt backeract and Carol Beyer Sager have written a

1004
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,719
couple of songs, okay, a couple of number one hits.

1005
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:15,199
Speaker 2: Okay.

1006
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,079
Speaker 4: One of them is a song called on my Own

1007
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,599
Patti LaBelle, who we've talked about in the Beverly Hills

1008
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:23,920
Cops soundtrack. Yes, and Michael McDonald of course, of course,

1009
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:27,239
right right. And they also wrote That's what Friends Are For.

1010
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's great.

1011
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: Warwick, Yeah, Elton John, Stevie Wonder and Gladys Knight. Oh okay,

1012
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,079
number one hit in eighty six.

1013
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. Nice, I like it.

1014
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,559
Speaker 4: I hate to leave this song so quickly, but it

1015
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:44,639
is so good.

1016
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we can't get stuck here. Yeah, you say,

1017
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:48,559
maybe we can talk more when we do our reaction

1018
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:49,320
video to Arthur.

1019
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 4: Okay, before we move on to the next song. I've

1020
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,039
got a little tidbit. I just want to buy you

1021
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,360
real quick, okay, Okay. One of the Grammys that Christopher

1022
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,920
Cross one that night in nineteen eighty one was Best

1023
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,599
New Artist. I don't know if you've heard, but there's

1024
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,400
kind of a stigma around the Best New Artist Grammy. Okay, okay,

1025
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,400
so there for a while they've talked about the Best

1026
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:18,519
New Artist curse. Okay, right, Yeah, and Christopher Cross is

1027
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:19,840
one of the victims of that curse.

1028
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,039
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, when you have that big of a

1029
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,440
showing on your debut album, there's nowhere else to go

1030
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:25,920
but down.

1031
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 4: That's true.

1032
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: That's true. So here you go.

1033
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,559
Speaker 4: Here's my case for the curse, and then I'll give

1034
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:34,480
you a case against the curse. Okay, so the case

1035
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,119
for the curse. In nineteen seventy seven, you have the

1036
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,199
Starlight Vocal Band Best New.

1037
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:40,519
Speaker 2: Artist, Never heard of them.

1038
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,519
Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy nine, you have a Taste of Honey.

1039
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: That's the name of the band. Yeah, I don't know.

1040
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: The song you might know is boogie ugy ugy Okay.

1041
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1042
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,679
Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty one you have Christopher Cross.

1043
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: Get this.

1044
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna blow your socks off with this.

1045
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1046
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety of course, you have the infamous Millie Vanilli.

1047
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: I knew that one was. Yeah.

1048
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,519
Speaker 4: Nineteen sixty one Grammy for Best New Musical artist Bob Newhart.

1049
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: What Bob freaking new Heart? Wow, that's crazy, right, okay.

1050
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: So all right, here's my case against Mariah Carey, Alicia Keys, Adele,

1051
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,199
Billie Eilish, and the Beatles.

1052
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:27,039
Speaker 5: Well, those are all pretty good. They were not cursed, right,

1053
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:27,599
all right?

1054
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,639
Speaker 4: Last tidbit for Arthur. Okay, I've never seen Arthur. I've

1055
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:32,559
never seen Arthur two.

1056
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 2: Right, okay.

1057
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,039
Speaker 4: Arthur two was released the summer of nineteen eighty eight.

1058
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

1059
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 4: It was released one week before maybe the best movie

1060
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:43,480
of the nineteen eighties.

1061
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,079
Speaker 2: It was released one week before Die Hard.

1062
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,559
Speaker 4: Before die Hard, Oh Wow. Okay, And it was released

1063
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,719
two weeks before maybe the worst movie of the nineteen eighties,

1064
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,800
Caddy shak Too.

1065
00:53:55,519 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: There we go, Summer of eighty eight. Let's go al right,

1066
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,480
next song on the album any Old Time.

1067
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 7: Everyone Twice's Friends.

1068
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 5: All due respect to people who love this song, this

1069
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,320
does not belong on the greatest album This's Gotta go. Yeah,

1070
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,159
this is a replacement song. Okay, so fair agree our degree? Okay,

1071
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,639
you're giving me a very repetitious chorus to start.

1072
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,519
Speaker 2: The song clock it was yeah, it was yeah, not good.

1073
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: That song was originally written for Barbara streisand by the way, okay, okay,

1074
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,199
what are you replacing it with. We're bringing in the

1075
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,239
right hander, We're bringing in think of Laura.

1076
00:54:51,840 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: Oh okay, everyone in.

1077
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: Turn Madday, think of Laura. Number nine hit not on

1078
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,320
this Greatest Hits albul that's an odd choice. Okay, beautiful,

1079
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,079
top ten hit from nineteen eighty three.

1080
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,639
Speaker 1: Love it.

1081
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: Check your bingo card.

1082
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:31,079
Speaker 4: This is the second episode in a row that we're

1083
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,400
going to talk about Anthony Gary, Luke and Laura.

1084
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 5: Can you believe that it's weird? I would not have

1085
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,159
expected that to come up, Yes, in a row, even

1086
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:40,159
in a row.

1087
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1088
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 5: So, if you missed our last couple of episodes, we

1089
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,280
compared Pee Wee's Big Adventure two UHF Filo. The mad

1090
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,280
scientist in UHF is played by Anthony Gary. Anthony Gary

1091
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,320
is also known as Luke from General Hospital, whose name

1092
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,679
that comes along with him in all circumstances is Laura.

1093
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,159
Right now, this song is not about her, right, but

1094
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,440
CBS decided to go ahead and use it anyway.

1095
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:08,559
Speaker 4: That's right, they did. Yeah, tell me the story.

1096
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,559
Speaker 5: So this song is about This is about a girl

1097
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,559
that was a roommate of one of Christopher Cross's girlfriends

1098
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,719
who is a lacrosse player. I mean she was sitting

1099
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,280
in the back of the car with her had been

1100
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,840
with her family for homecoming at the college that they

1101
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,639
were going to. This is a girlfriend's roommate and there's

1102
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,239
some gang gunfire and she gets killed.

1103
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: It's just tragic, like she's sitting.

1104
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 4: In the back of her father's car and gets hit

1105
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,519
by a stray bullet.

1106
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so it's just this horrible circumstance. Christopher Cross

1107
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,880
writes this tribute song for her, and and and says,

1108
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,199
you know, because he knew her, and he's like, when

1109
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,199
you think of Laura, laughed, don't cry, because that's what

1110
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,440
she would want. Is this really moving circumstance. And they

1111
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,960
decide to use it to promote General Hospital's plot line

1112
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,800
where Laura has disappeared and they're trying to find her.

1113
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:03,800
Bad taste on top of bad taste, Man, that's really terrible.

1114
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: So the interesting thing to me is he goes to

1115
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:09,199
her family and says, listen, I wrote this song.

1116
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:10,559
Speaker 2: It's a tribute to her.

1117
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 4: Would you be offended if I put it on my album?

1118
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,199
Speaker 2: And they said no.

1119
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: I mean if it gives solace to somebody else, then

1120
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:21,239
that's great, you should do that. Yeah, so he puts

1121
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,119
it out there on the album. Well Tony Gary, Anthony

1122
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:26,840
Gary is a fan of the song, and he's trying

1123
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,119
to think of a way to bring the actress who

1124
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,519
played Laura, who broke away to do films, try to

1125
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:33,119
bring her back.

1126
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1127
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 4: And back in these days, if you only played a

1128
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,119
short amount of the song, you didn't have to pay royalties, right,

1129
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,519
and so they're just like, oh, great, scoop that song up.

1130
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: And they did it over and over again too. Yeah

1131
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:49,239
it's terrible. Yep. He was not happy. He has openly

1132
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,159
said this is not.

1133
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:51,599
Speaker 4: Okay, not what I intended.

1134
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: That's right. Now, I played you another song, right, yeah

1135
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:55,599
he did. Okay.

1136
00:57:55,719 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 5: So here's this one so beautiful cover. This is boys

1137
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,360
to Men. This song is called think of Aliyah. Remember Aliyah?

1138
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,119
I do so Aliyah if you don't remember, she was

1139
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:22,920
on Star Shirt when she was about twelve, sang with

1140
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,840
Gladys Knight. Weird that she would come up twice in

1141
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,519
one episode here and then.

1142
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: I have to mention this.

1143
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 5: I'm reading her history and I'm like, her first album

1144
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:40,679
is produced by R. Kelly, and I'm like ooh, And

1145
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,920
then I see that. The name of the album is

1146
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:46,599
age is just a number, and I'm like ooh, And

1147
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,840
then I'm like, holy crap. They were married what nineteen

1148
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:56,920
ninety four, she would have been fourteen maybe fifteen years old.

1149
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:02,039
What it ultimately was annulled because it probably was an

1150
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:05,440
illegal marriage? Of course, How did people not get the

1151
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:09,719
red flags back in the mid nineties when that happened. Wow, dude, Yeah,

1152
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:14,039
very weird, very weird. But I mean justice comes slowly,

1153
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:14,480
I guess.

1154
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: Anyway.

1155
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 5: She moves on from that and is doing very well.

1156
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,559
I mean, she's got a lot of great songs, and

1157
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,880
she's in this movie called Queen of the Damned. And

1158
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:29,559
then tragically she's down in the Caribbean and is on

1159
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,000
a is on a plane that they have improperly loaded,

1160
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,599
and it crashes almost immediately after taking off. The pilot

1161
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:41,039
is found to have had cocaine and alcohol in his

1162
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:45,519
system and was not licensed to fly that kind of plane. Tragically,

1163
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:49,000
she is killed. And so Boys to Men releases this

1164
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,079
cover of Think of Laura as Think of Aliyah.

1165
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 4: Love it Yeah, beautiful song.

1166
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

1167
00:59:55,679 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 4: Next song on the album, It's Trying the Snake. I

1168
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:17,880
love this song, Dad. This is like in my undiscovered

1169
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,159
Christopher Cross hit right here.

1170
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: That's a great one. Yeah, and this is a little

1171
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bit later on. Was this eighty five?

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Speaker 4: Eighty five Surprises didn't make more of a noise?

1173
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it did, okay, it did okay. But

1174
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,639
did you see the video for this?

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01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 4: I did.

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01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 5: Did you think of Top Gun or Days of Thunder?

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,039
Because I saw it. I mean you got that that

1178
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:39,719
golden sunset and for shrepping that, I mean they're what

1179
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,199
they're doing is they're doing drag car racing instead of

1180
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,360
you know, aircraft carrier landing the jets.

1181
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: But it's that same style.

1182
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,039
Speaker 5: I had the pretty girl cheer in for him, and

1183
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:51,679
it turns out it's not Tony Scott as its fatter.

1184
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,119
Matter of fact, Tony Scott wouldn't have that footage until

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01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:58,119
the next year's eighty six, that's right. But it was

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01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:17,119
directed by David Fincher. Yeah, wow, Yeah, And it's not

1187
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,320
his style that I'm familiar with, but shoot, he knew

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01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:20,840
what he was doing.

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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: Man, it's a pretty cool video.

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01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:28,159
Speaker 4: That's pre Alien three, yes, pre by Club pre seven.

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01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,639
Speaker 2: It's probably pre Rock the Cradle of Love. Actually, yeah,

1192
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,559
it is pre Rock the Cradle of Love Ye pre vogue.

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01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:40,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, directed by David Fincher Christopher Cross racing race cars,

1194
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:42,480
which he had a hobby of doing.

1195
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, not these exact type of cars, but these cars

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01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,440
looked cooler. So, and he was kind of excited to

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01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:47,880
do it too.

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01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. Yeah.

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,119
Speaker 4: Do you know who sings background vocals on this? Richard Marks?

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01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,679
Speaker 2: Of course, of course.

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,519
Speaker 4: I love the song. I think it's great. Next song

1202
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:17,000
on the album, ye, all right. Every Turn of the

1203
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:19,199
World is the title track and lead single off his

1204
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,519
third album, which had a little more rock to it.

1205
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like this song. I think it's good.

1206
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 5: Yes, this is Okay again, it's kind of a rocker.

1207
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:29,000
This is him, Yeah, getting after it a bit.

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01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,119
Speaker 4: Reach never forty four in the hot one Hunter didn't

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01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:32,280
quite crack the top forty.

1210
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,639
Speaker 2: Still a good song, still a charting song. I like

1211
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:36,519
it worth of those all right.

1212
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,719
Speaker 4: Final song on the album, Yeah, it's a song called

1213
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:40,519
that Girl.

1214
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: I think we found our last song to replace Yes, okay.

1215
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 4: All right, I'm coming in strong with the song never

1216
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,199
Be the Same Okay, which was the third single off

1217
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:20,880
of the first album Okay. So. This song peaked at

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,559
number fifteen in nineteen eighty. This is when Christopher Cross

1219
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:27,679
is still rolling through all these hits off that first album.

1220
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:29,440
I think it's a great song.

1221
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: I love it.

1222
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:33,199
Speaker 5: Okay, So I didn't really go into the history. It

1223
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:36,039
seems like a weird place to give the beginning at

1224
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,440
the end here, But let me just say so. Christopher

1225
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,800
Cross bounced from place to place, bounced from Texas to

1226
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,599
Japan back to Texas again. His dad was in the army.

1227
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:47,760
He was actually a pediatrician, took care of Dwight D.

1228
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,239
Eisenhower's grandchildren. Yeah, that's right, David and Julia Eisenhower.

1229
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.

1230
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:56,719
Speaker 5: But his dad had also been a musician. Played this

1231
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,079
double bass four you ready for this?

1232
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:00,719
Speaker 2: Lauren's welk.

1233
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:05,119
Speaker 5: And I mean, there's a lot of comedy associated with

1234
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:07,880
Lawrence Walke, but Lawrence Walk was Lawrence Walk for.

1235
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: A reason, right, That's not nothing.

1236
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 5: And his dad was an incredibly bad alcoholic, ultimately passed

1237
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,840
away from cirrhosis of the liver. But there were these

1238
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,079
moments where he would put on a Glenn Miller album.

1239
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:23,880
His dad would put on the Glenn Miller album, He'd

1240
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,639
get out his double bass and he'd play along it

1241
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,800
and he said, in those moments, that would be when

1242
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,800
I saw joy in my dad's face. Right, yeah, just

1243
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,519
not happy all of his life except for those little moments.

1244
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,480
And he even referred to it as just the happiest

1245
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,000
time in his life was when he was playing music.

1246
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:44,559
So Christopher Cross is like kind of captivated by this

1247
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,480
idea that music can make you happier. He's having obviously

1248
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:49,480
a tough time too, and he goes to the music

1249
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:52,679
store and he's like, listen, my dad loves Glenn Miller.

1250
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,360
I love listening to it. Do you have something that's

1251
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:58,679
like that but for somebody my age? And he brings

1252
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,760
him Dave Brewbag Time Out, which if you listen to it,

1253
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,760
it's freaking amazing, Okay, And Christopher Cross listens to it

1254
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,679
and he is transfixed by the drums, and so he

1255
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,639
asked his parents for drums and they get him a

1256
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,199
drum set, and so for his first band, which I

1257
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,679
believe was called the Psychos, he played the drums and

1258
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,320
sang because everybody else was too chicken to sing, that's right.

1259
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,119
And he said they used to play at makeout parties,

1260
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,119
which is basically like the parents hosted a party, not

1261
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,840
realizing that all the kids were in like closets and

1262
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,199
back rooms making out with each other, right, and paid

1263
01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:38,239
them fifty bucks for playing music. And so then he

1264
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:43,280
joins another band called Flash. This time he's playing playing guitar,

1265
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,880
is getting into the rock and roll scene a little

1266
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,679
bit more, and he ends up going to hate Ashbury

1267
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,079
in like the late sixties when all the counterculture is

1268
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,719
happening over there comes back to the high school with

1269
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,800
long hair, and on the Wikipedia page, it will tell

1270
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,760
you that he graduated from the high school in like

1271
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,320
sixty nine. No, he did not, right, and we did not.

1272
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,519
He came in and the principal was like, you're not

1273
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:08,039
coming to school with hair that long, and he said,

1274
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:10,079
then I guess I'm not coming to the school.

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01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:11,119
Speaker 1: He left.

1276
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:12,599
Speaker 2: Now he still played at their prom.

1277
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: Then he really he did.

1278
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:16,639
Speaker 4: That's crazy, and he was he was voted.

1279
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 5: Like most creative or something like that. So it's you know,

1280
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,280
they still kind of Now here's the rest of the

1281
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:26,119
story on that one. Many years later, he's got all

1282
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:28,400
these attorney friends who used to sell weed two.

1283
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: Back in the seventies, right, and they're like, we're.

1284
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 5: Getting you this high school diploma, and they did it.

1285
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:37,239
They got a hold of the school. They worked their

1286
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,719
magic whatever they do, and he received an honorary high

1287
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:42,800
school diploma.

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01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Yeah, that's great.

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: All right, Well that wraps up. Christopher Cross. Okay, I've

1290
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,519
got one last thing I want to tell you about. Okay,

1291
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:53,719
we break for air supply next Weekay. Have you heard

1292
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,000
about the woodstock of yacht Rock. No, apparently this is

1293
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:02,039
happening at the end of this year in Cabo San Lucas,

1294
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:07,480
Cabo Wabo. Yeah right, yeah yeah, Christopher Cross, Kenny Loggins,

1295
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:13,159
Alan Parsons, Ambrosia, Rick Springfield. There's all sorts of big name.

1296
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,119
Speaker 2: Not Steely Dan because they would not be assistant.

1297
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,199
Speaker 4: Like freaking screw you, guys. But they're having this big

1298
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,440
festival in Mexico.

1299
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:24,559
Speaker 1: Would be awesome.

1300
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 4: I mean, are you kidding me.

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01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,639
Speaker 2: Let's find a way to go. I would love to

1302
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:28,880
go to that. That would be awesome.

1303
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 5: All right, guys, thank you so much for joining us

1304
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,920
for this soft rock Master. Come back next week when

1305
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,880
we talk about air supply. Making love out of nothing.

1306
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: We're all out of love.

1307
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: Oh man. Okay, thanks guys, see you guys next week.

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01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 4: Thanks guys,