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Speaker 1: Well well off of a weekend that has seen some

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wild heavyweight action that we will recap. It is seen

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Jennabeck retain his unified middleweight titles. It is seen Tim

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Zoo get back up on the horse figuratively and score

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a knockout that was not unexpected in his main event

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in Australia. We're here take a look back at all

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of it, give you some news, some nostalgia, and much more.

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It is the Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast. I am

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the somewhat lucid, somewhat rested host TJ Reeves. We come

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your way on the weekend. Here, I come your way

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from San Antonio, Texas. I've got Big Dan Raphael with me. Insider.

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Fight Freaks Unite is his substack after all. And the newsletter.

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Make sure that you're subscribing. Make sure you're on the

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all the podcast outlets Apples, Freaker, Spotify. Let's just get

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it out of the way. I know you're not in

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a great mood right now. We're doing this roughly about

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twenty two hours since what happened on Saturday night where

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Duke was up nine late in the game, and I

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still haven't figured out in Perfersonvale, I barely have my

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hearing back. Second of all, I have not figured out

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yet how they did not hang on to the nine

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point lead them while we're not talking about your team

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going for a title in the Alamo City here on

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Monday night, but that is not the case. Houston won

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the game. So Dan, I know you're kind of shaking

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your head. You've been muttering to yourself for the last

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you know, twenty hours or so about that. I feel

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for you. It was it was tough to watch Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're up big in the boxing match, you're

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coasting the victory, and you get knocked the fuck out

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in the cult. Can we move on place?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I will say this to this second. I

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have not gotten the selfie yet at the Alamo with

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the gas station nearby.

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Speaker 2: And the other stew they don't have much time left.

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Speaker 1: I've got tomorrow, I've got Tuesday, tomorrow being Monday, and

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I've got Tuesday. As we released this pod off the

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weekend to go find it. I have gotten some good

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text mix. There is an interesting mix and we're going

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to get into the recaps straight ahead, but there is

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an interesting mix of panhandlers downtown San Antonio, street preachers,

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I mean hell fire and brimstone street preaching going on

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at all hours of the day of night. It's apparently

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allowed during most waking hours. There's lots of basket There's

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lots of tall people in sweatsuits, lots of basketball people,

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lots of fans. Again in the state of Florida where

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I'm from, they're going to empty out for the Gators

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to play against Houston. Houston only about two and a

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half hours away, so most of the city of Houston's

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going to be here for the championship game coming on Monday.

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Did you tell me you have or have not ever

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covered You've not ever covered a title fight in San Antonio.

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You've only covered one and what was it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I told you, but Alamo Dome, Right, Yeah,

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I've covered several. I've covered multiple fights in the Alamodome.

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I mean, off the top of my head, I covered

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when Adrian Broner got his ass kicked by Mark's my

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that was that the Alamo Dome.

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Speaker 1: Canelo Canelos fought at the Alamodome he fought one time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his fight at the Alamo Dome. I did not

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attend because my wife was due to give birth at

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any moment.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So I did not cover that fight he had.

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He had that one, but then he also fought right as.

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Speaker 2: That was during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I told the nineteen Crazy Year twenty twenty when he

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was Allum Smith correct.

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Speaker 2: Julio we go and no, Nino don't air doubleheader that

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was in the Alamo Dome.

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Speaker 1: Most famous controversial fight, Well, we can't say most controversial

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controversial draw with with Hall of Famer Pernell Whittaker Alamodome

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for who else? Oh about that.

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Speaker 2: One of two along with holy Field Lenox. But yeah, right,

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as other venues in the city.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Bam Rodriguez, by the way, Sano Texas. All right,

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enough about the the geography, enough about the cuisine. The

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text mex has been good so far, although one of

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the colleagues of mine is here and he's ordering a

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cheeseburger and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: Dude, that's the biggest loser of all time.

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Speaker 1: You can get the cheeseburger anywhere. But I digress. It

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is the recap pod. Let's get into it. I will

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say to you. While I did not get to watch

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full fights, I was in the Alamodome keeping up with

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your tweets and what was going on with the joys

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I was not able to lock in on the top

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rank ESPN Plus show the Tim Zoo fight. I'm doing

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my work duties, that kind of stuff. I have seen

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the highlights. Let's begin first with Zoo, which was late

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night Dan, just pick it up on how late was it?

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to whatever extent with a knockout of Joey Spencer of

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the United States, and as I said at the top,

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not an unexpected knockout, but he does get the win.

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was taking place in Australia in the afternoon and it

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fights on the cart so it was after midnight by

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that time the fight started. The other bouts were a knockout,

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so that was fine. I wasn't even upset about it

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because it ended. It ended the Richard Torres and Wido

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about in a few minutes. That ended, and then there

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prime video from terms of being in the United States,

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so I was okay with the timing, but Tim Zoo,

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like you said, got back on the worse. We all

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know what this was about. This was I lost in

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a rough fashion with that horrible cut March of last

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year and lost my world title against Sebastian Frondorra split decisions,

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showed a lot of heart, was a terrific fight, but

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didn't get to win. Came back in October, got run over,

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you know, badly by Mirtazeleev and as I like to say,

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sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. He was

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the bug that night. But on Saturday night, in his comeback,

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taking a distinct to step down in opposition after two

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hard losses in a row. He was the windshield to

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Joey Spencer's bug. Again not unexpected. I mean, you and

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had the knockout, we both had under eight and a half.

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The one time Joey Spencer had stepped up and even

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quasi popposition level was when he thought Jesus Ramos a

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couple of years ago before Ramos had even more or

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so established himself as a quality contender, and he got

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beat up in that fight and stopped in round seven.

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that time as a former champion, is still a good fighter,

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and he just did what you expected. But he was

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also really intelligent about the way he went about it.

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others in his comments leading up to this fight. He

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kind of learned his lesson against Martaze Leave. He kind

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of took him lightly, but more significantly, he just rushed

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in and thought he was going to get him out

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of there in two rounds and did not show any

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level of patience, did not show any level of defensive responsibility,

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was reckless in the way he went about it, but

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he was determined in this particular fight to make sure

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that he approached it in a more professional manner. And

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he did that first round very slow paced, a lot

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of looking and fainting and seeing what's up. Similar in

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the second round, and then when he kind of had

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gauged what was going on, he turned it on. He

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came forward, he started blasting with shots. He hit him

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with some very good shots from both hands, and Joey

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was wide open pretty much for everything. I mean, even

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after the first round, his face was already getting busted

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up with and it wasn't it was not a harsh

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first round, but he was already showing bruising and his

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eyes were a little bit you know, swelling, and by

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the time the fight was over, they you know, he

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looked like he had been in the you know, in

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a fight with a machete in terms of like the

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way that it was his bruising and the purple and

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the cuts and everything. But look, Zoo did what he's

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supposed to do. We talked about all time, DJ, you're

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in the ring and you're supposed to do that to

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an opponent, to a guy that he averybody knows you're in.

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You know that's overmatched against you. But you don't let

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him hang around. You do your business, you get him

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out of there. And that's exactly what he did. He

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went about it in a in a very professional manner

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and he blitzed him and got him out of there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah through but Rayfiel, what was that about fifty sixty

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punches near the end of the fight, where Spencer was

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fighting back a little bit, hands up, but you could

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tell the referee, the Australian referee. You could audibly hear

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him a couple of times say do something, fight back.

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I mean he was ready to stop it and the

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towel came in and nobody's qualms with the with the stoppage.

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Speaker 2: But no, no, no, man before that acts.

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Speaker 1: But I mean he's still the only the only thing

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tried to fight back a couple times and throw a punch.

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in that instance. But Zoo realized, this guy's not got nothing,

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till they do stop it, and there you.

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Speaker 2: Go the closing sequence of that fight. Zoo had to

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have thrown indoor land. Most of the punches landed well

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over two dozen punches. So if you looked at the

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company box in the final round, in round number four,

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he out Joey Spencer. According to comfy Box, forty four

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landed to six. I mean, I I'm sure it's happened,

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but I can't really think of around that's been that

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dramatically one sided in terms of the guy landing to

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the opponent. That was it. That's a huge deficit. Even

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in the previous round it was twenty six to ten.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, Spencer didn't offer a lot of returns,

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so we know what this was. So here's my thing.

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I'm getting ready to do this pod from San Antonio

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with Rayfield, and I'm on my social media just moments

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before we hooked up and started this, and Keith Thurman

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is yelling off a balcony in downtown Tampa and a

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Condomentum balcony. I saw the social media post from this

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afternoon and I recognize he's in downtown Tampa with what

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he's doing, yelling about I'm hungry. Let's go, Tim Zuo

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send me to contract Rayfield. I'm not hungry. I've had

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plenty of text makes. But nonetheless, Thurman says he's hungry.

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What's up? And how soon are we going to see this?

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna see it because if you if you

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watched Tim his post fight interview standing in the ring,

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the commentators asked them about the prospect of the Keith

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Thurman fight, and he started to laugh and he said,

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sign the contract. Big boys, signed the contract. So look

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this fight. From what I was told pending their victories,

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Keith three weeks ago, Tim Saturday night Sunday afternoon in

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Australia that they had already agreed to a framework of

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the deal. So now they both are safely through their fights.

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Obviously both had not taken on top level opponents, but

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they both look good. They both scored knockouts, they both

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talk up a storm. They have fans and needy excited.

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It's a very good fight. They were supposed to fight

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last year. It didn't happen. That's why Tim wound up

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fighting Fundor because Keith had suffered the biceps injury. But

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Keith came out of his fight against Jarvis by all

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accounts healthy. Like you said, standing on the balcony yelling

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for the fight. I think it's just a matter of

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time for their team. You know, Tim will take a

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little bit of arrest and the teams will.

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Speaker 2: In the US?

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Speaker 1: So we don't know that.

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me that it probably will wind up in Australia because

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there's a lot more money there, and if it goes

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to Australia, it's not going to be a pay per

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view in the United States, which is good for US

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obviously would be a non you know, a regular prime

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video card. But whether it's in the United States or

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it's in Australia, to me is completely irrelevant. It's a

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very fun fight and it certainly puts the winner in

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a position to challenge for the title, be it Tim

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if he wins a rematch with Hondora or Matazalef. It

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puts Thurman in the position to fight any of those

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guys as well. It's a good fight. They're two very,

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very likable fighters. They're both exciting to watch. I mean,

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they both have good personalities. I think this will be

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a very popular fight Australia. You know, they could probably

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put it in some kind of, you know, much larger arena.

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not for a title, just a good fight between two

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good quality guys. And I'm glad that both of them

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have come out of their recent fights no injuries.

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Speaker 1: And what's get on.

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the day, boxing it is entertainment and you can't tell

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me that seeing Keith Thurman lockhorns with Tim Zu is

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not an entertaining promotion and an entertaining fight, and that's

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the bottom line. And they're both very good and I

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can't wait to see that fight.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there are some stakes with that and

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we'll see if that is later this summer. Let's move on.

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Let's the cover here. Let's back up to Saturday afternoon

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US time, Saturday night in the UK where Philip Hergovich

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and Joe Joyce engaged in I mean, I don't know

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what I saw the highlights of this, Dan and I

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know Herkovic ends up getting the victory. Yes, Joyce was

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game and was firing back and took the punches. But

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my feeling is this, I mean, Hergovic gets the win

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and it is time for Joe Joyce to be done.

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Just from watching that because he got smashed. You love

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it when I go to the eighties, it was like

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Lionel Ritchie all night long, brother with that right hand.

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He's tough enough. He did not get knocked out. Maybe

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you want to question Herkovic's punching power when others have

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knocked Joyce down or knocked him out. I'm saying this,

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Hergovic hit him all night, couldnt knock him out, but

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he won the fight. There's my analysis from seeing the highlights.

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You watched it much more in depth. Give me your

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insight on the recount.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're certainly right about the right hand. I mean,

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Hurgovic could not miss with the right hand. It's like

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Joe Joyce's defense was not program to avoid the right hand,

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with program to lean directly into the right hand.

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Speaker 1: You make the generous assumption he has defense. Continue on.

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Speaker 2: I mean I never Joe's never had good defense. I

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mean he's always you know, his face has always been

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his defense, unfortunately for him. But on the fight with Hurgovich.

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It was even more so than I've seen. I means,

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as defensively terrible as Joe has always been. That made

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his previous performances defensively look good. I mean, if that

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makes sense, He just could not get away from it.

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He must have got hit with one thousand right hands.

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And the scores reflected that. I mean, one of scores

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was ninety six to ninety five. That to me is

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a freaking Joe. The other scores were perfectly fine. You know,

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we talk a million times the range of acceptable scores.

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One judge had it ninety eight to ninety two, one

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edit ninety seven to ninety three. That's how I had

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the fight. I locked in a bunch of scores from

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people on social media. They were all in that same ballpark.

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nobody's gonna dispute or argue that Philip Parkvic didn't win

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the fight. Even Joe Joey said it wasn't my night,

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you know, it wasn't my time. Then he said maybe

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we could do it again. I don't think that's happening.

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His point being is that now that Herkovic has a

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win against him in the pros and Joe has a

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win against Kerkovich as the amateurs. They're won in one,

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but that doesn't mean shit. They're not gonna have a rematch.

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But it was a very exciting, entertaining fight again two

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big heavyweights. It was, as we said in the pre fight,

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the hopes were be kind of slobber knocker ish, and

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that's exactly what it was. But Hergovich coming off the

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loss last summer, last June in the fight against Danie

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Dubaffer the interim IBF title where he got badly caught

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in a really good action fight. He bounced back from

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that loss. Looked like he had suffered a cut in

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this fight against Joe, and that looked like it was

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bothering quite a bit, and it sort of just slowed

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down around the time that had happened. But he's in

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his first fight with Abel Sanchez, who he got to

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come out of retirement. Abel had been a trainer for

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many years, best known obviously for as many years working

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with Gnadi Glofkin, also with the trainer for the Hall

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of Famer Terry Norris and others. But he had retired,

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like you know, in the last couple of years, and

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for whatever reason he saw something in Argovich and Argoviac

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kind of you know, asked him if he would train him,

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and Abel said, fine, I'll do it, and he came

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out of retirement. He did a good job not only

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preparing him for the fight, but you know, in terms

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of Abel is one of those guys where it's not

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as common as it once was, but he works the trainer,

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but he also works the cuts, and so he was

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able to do a good job of finally getting the

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butt patched up and it didn't bother her.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know this is that the same cut

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or was it an it was the same nasty cut

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as the Dui fight, or we don't know. No, I'm

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not the same one.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell if it was in the same spot,

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so I wouldn't. I'm not going to say yeay or nay.

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But the reality is Hrkovic is certainly at this point

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it seems he's prone to certain kinds of cuts, right,

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given what's occurred in the last two fights. But Able

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did a good job of keeping that closed up and

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it didn't really impact him. And the biggest thing though,

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besides just the right hand that kept bouncing off his

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big nuggin all night long was his hands are much quicker.

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I mean Philip Herkovic as heavyweights go, he's got pretty

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good handspeed. And Joe is, as I referred to him, ponderous.

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You know, he is very very slow.

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Speaker 1: Let's pick it up on that should I mean the

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British boxing border control and somebody else around him, Frank

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Warren or whoever. This should be done. Brother. He took

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tremendous punishment throughout that fight, coming off the Chessura fight

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where he took a lot of punishment off of two

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bad knockouts, brutal knockouts, one a TKO with the swollen

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shut out of the other one he got brutally knocked

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out by July Jang. He should be done. In my opinion,

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I'm coming strong on a Sunday night, brother.

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Speaker 2: He's one in four in his last five fights. And

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the thing that was more concerning, and again not to

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believe the copy box, but the stats tell the story

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historically over all weight classes, if you get hit with

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more than fifty percent of your shots, that's extremely high.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: He got hit with fifty one percent against Arkovich, and

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Arkovich is not a light puncher, so that that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: What was the total? It had to be two hundred punches.

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It had to be two hundred and fifty punches he

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got he got hit with same.

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Speaker 2: He got hit with two hundred and fifty three or

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five hundred two.

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Speaker 1: Again, somebody around him prepare for the rest. I mean,

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are we seriously going to look at him taking another

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savage beating or two and not being able to function

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in a few years because of somebody? Somebody do something, please.

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Speaker 2: They talked to I mean, you're a little over dramatic.

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I'm not.

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Speaker 1: You are watched I watched the Chessaura fight at him

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getting hammered. I watched this fight at him getting hammered.

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I don't have to see it anymore. I'm not being

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over dramatic.

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Speaker 2: So Queensberry Queensberry promoter Frank Lauren, who was promoted to

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Joe for a long time, spoke with asked about that,

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you know, because because Joe was like, I'm ready to

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go on and do this again or whatever continue his career,

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and Frank was more level headed. To his credit, he says, look, Joe,

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meaning Joe Joyce is gonna have to go away, have

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a real serious think about his future, which is what

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he's going to do. There's no rush, and then we'll

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have a chance. I'll sit and talk about what we're

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going to do from here. So I know boxing pretty well.

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There's zero chance that Joe Joyce retires, but there's also

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probably zero chance that in his next fight it's going

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to be against a top name. They'll probably give him

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a lighter touch to see what he's got left and

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take it from there. But he's not getting any younger,

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and as you said, i'd like to see him called

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it a day. I mean, the chances have been becoming

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a world champion at this point are obviously very.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's what it is. But for Hergovic, it's it's

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no he wants to have He'd like a rematch against

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against Duba. He made the point in his post fight interview.

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Joe Joyce has a clean knockout win against Dubi. Duba

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beat Hergovic and now he's got to win over Joyce,

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so he wants to fight Daniel Dubois again. I would

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not be opposed to seeing that rematch. It was a

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heck of a fight until the cuts happened. I think

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Dubois got other things in mind, you know the likelihood

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of him fighting a rematch against Alexander Russik, for example.

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But h Philip Herkovic, it was a big win to

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bounce back from that very tough loss, you know, and

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he puts himself right in the thick of things for

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any of the top name heavyweights. I'm very confident that

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you know, his his managers, Keith Connley, who's got a

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great knack of scoring big fights for his stable of guys,

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and I'm very confident that when he next gets to

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the ring, it'll be a fight of meaning and for

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money for him and probably high stakes.

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Speaker 1: We're skipping all over the globe recapping away here. So

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we've been in Australia, We've been in Manchester, England. Let's

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go to Las Vegas and entertaining top rank ESPN Plus

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main event with Richard Torres and Guido Vanello. And we

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did t this up on the preview podcast Death. That's

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where you use the phrase slapper or not laber knakaish.

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You said this could be slaberknockerish. Uh. It ended up

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being a real fight for Torres, who at times looked

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like a couple of times he had Vanello hurt but

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not put him away, but does get the decision win.

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Torres a little bit of a swollen face. He got

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shook up a couple of times in this fight. All right,

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give give me your assessment as Torres gets the victory

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in the main event.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was sort of a tale of two fights,

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because the first four or five rounds this is a

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ten round fight, were absolutely horrible, horrible, horrible. Do I

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make myself clear, well, play It wasn't because of Richard Torres.

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It was because Guido Vidanello is absolutely zero IQ in

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terms of how to fight a man on the inside,

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has no clue. And Richard Torres, who's four inches shorter,

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who was a southpaw who's got good power but also

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has really good hand speed for a heavyweight, was driving

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him crazy, frustrated him. I mean because Torres. I mean,

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this is very basic. Torres is only thing he wanted

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to do was get right in his chest and bang away,

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get inside that longer reach of Vnello and take it

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to him. And Vanello wanted to do anything in life

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other than have this man on him on the inside,

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and tried everything in his possible power to keep him

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away or to tie him up. So he couldn't keep

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him away, so he resorted. For the first several rounds,

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all he did was hold and grab, and I wanted

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to punch my TV. I was having like, Pa.

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Speaker 1: You were already mad about the Duke game, now you're

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mad about Vanello.

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Speaker 2: I was having PTSD of all the fucking time I

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spent covering Jean Ruiz, watching him grab and holes for

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all those years. And you could tell Thomas Taylor, who

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we've talked about as we believe the best referee in

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boxing at this moment, he was the referee of the fight,

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and he was getting pissed off, like you don't see

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this a lot. He was given a hard warning to

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Vnllo in round number one, who he had a Warren

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twice for holding, and I even tweeted, I said, you

471
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,680
can see a point deduction is coming, and like thirty

472
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,200
seconds later into the second round he docked a point

473
00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:00,960
rightfully so, because he would not stop grabbing holding, and

474
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:01,759
you just can't do that.

475
00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Now.

476
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 2: Holding in boxing is acceptable if you use it, you know,

477
00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:09,160
sporadically or in the right particular, in.

478
00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:11,519
Speaker 1: The context of actually doing anything other than holding.

479
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: I get It's a strategic move once in a while,

480
00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:16,000
and I don't have a problem with that, but you

481
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,880
cannot just make it the game. I mean, that is ridiculous.

482
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,759
So but finally, after like the second, you know, into

483
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:25,960
the second half of the fight, Vanello finally seemed to

484
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,920
at least figure Torres out a little bit. Maybe Richard

485
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,039
got a little tired and he was able to be

486
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,920
more of a fighter instead of a grabber and a holder.

487
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,799
So it definitely heat it up in the second half

488
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,440
of the fight. But by that time Torres had probably

489
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,920
put you know, at least four of the first five

490
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,880
rounds or so in the bank. You know, I didn't

491
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,319
understand that the judges seem to be good, not the judges,

492
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,359
rather the commentators on ESPN, I have all respect for

493
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,240
it seemed to be calling it a lot closer than

494
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,119
I was seeing it. I thought Torres was totally done.

495
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: It was Bernardosuna and Tim Bradley on the call.

496
00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mark Kriegel and had it a little closer,

497
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,160
it seemed to me. But nonetheless, in the end, there

498
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,839
were some very good action last couple of our rounds,

499
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,640
but but Torres had put too many rounds in the bank.

500
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,559
He won ninety eight ninety one, ninety eight, ninety seven,

501
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,000
ninety two. I thought ninety seven to ninety two was

502
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:16,160
an excellent scorecard. I had no problem with that whatsoever.

503
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,599
And he gets the biggest win of his career because remember,

504
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,119
going into this fight, he was the twenty twenty silver

505
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,640
medal super heavyweight gold medals because loss was competitive against

506
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,160
Bakhaira Jallalov in the final, and so he has been

507
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,359
fighting the typical type journeyman the young heavyweights fight, and

508
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,960
this was the first time he set up to a

509
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:37,759
legitimate opponent. Guido himself was a twenty sixteen olympian from

510
00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:40,799
Italy and it was definitely his biggest test, and not

511
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:42,880
only did he pass, but he did so in pretty

512
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,000
dominating fashion. So again I still say Richard Torres had

513
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:50,400
his size, his undersize to compete at the highest level

514
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,079
of the heavy You know, he's just again, God bless

515
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,599
him if you can prove us all wrong, because he's

516
00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,759
a very likable guy, fun guy to watch for the

517
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,720
most part, and really, you know, it was in good

518
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:02,720
shape and goes after it. I just don't know if

519
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,559
a guy that's six two two twenty in today's day

520
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,160
and age of heavyweight boxing, and and and I heard

521
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,720
somebody say, well what about Usik, Stop with that. Usik

522
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,240
is a he's a unicorn. Okay, he's special.

523
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: It's totallyremendous, tremendous, skilled fighter, totally and ontime. And Torres

524
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:23,799
is not him. We know that. And it was striking

525
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,440
to see how much bigger Vanella was than him.

526
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: And Vanella is not even considered like a quote unquote

527
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,400
big heavyweight, you know what I mean. But he's a

528
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,880
regular at six foot four, you know, two thirty five

529
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,480
to forty that's like the average heavyweight these days. And

530
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,920
Richard is much smaller than that. So I wish Richard

531
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,359
Torres luck. I just have a hard time ye seeing

532
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,839
that the difficulties he had at times against a fighter

533
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,480
like Vannello.

534
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Give me a fighter, give me a fighter or a

535
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:52,119
fight that would intrigue you for Torres coming up, he

536
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,720
took a step up here, he won what what's out there?

537
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,200
That's realistic from top rank as an FAA coming along,

538
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:00,039
job was.

539
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: Got a job was fighting Martin McCully that although it

540
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,880
wouldn't be the worst fighter, well the job has got

541
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,559
a close win against Viennello here's the fight, and I

542
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,079
don't know if it will happen. Make him and Jared

543
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,839
Anderson the once prospect against the current prospect.

544
00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: Sign sign me up. It's not a pay per view,

545
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,119
but it's a main event, and I would watch sign

546
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,000
me up on that.

547
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's way, but that that uh, that would

548
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,640
be intriguing. Uh, you know, but that type of step up.

549
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,799
You know, Jared is obviously, Uh, most people are down

550
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:32,079
on him. He got badly knocked out by Martin McCauley

551
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:33,759
and his comeback fight, you know what about a month

552
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,039
or so ago. He looked just dreadful in that fight,

553
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,559
even though he got the win. Uh, you know, I'm

554
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,759
not sure. I mean, heavyweight Matching heavyweights in today's day

555
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,519
and age is difficult. But here's a real indictment of

556
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:50,160
heavyweight boxing that you could look at Richard Torres and

557
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,240
say he might be the best American heavyweight. Maybe he

558
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:56,480
might put a Jarald Miller ahead of him or Andy Ruiz.

559
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:59,680
But in terms of the newer faces, like who else

560
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:00,160
is there?

561
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: It's like you said, you said, face is poral. He

562
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,480
might be the only new face, newer face that we

563
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,119
care about. The silver medalists from the Olympics and he's

564
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,000
on the way up. But he's got to he's got

565
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,640
to demonstrate something against better competition. And maybe that is,

566
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,400
but look, here's the main thing, real, big baby, he.

567
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: Was the one that was making the fight. He won

568
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,880
the fight. He's the younger guy, he's the guy with

569
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,400
with more of a future. He's got good speed, he's

570
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,200
got a good personality. He had a lot of you know,

571
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,200
fans there screaming for him. So it's just a matter

572
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,079
of continue to develop. He's only got thirteen fights and

573
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,920
he's still you know, heavyweights these days, you know, they

574
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,839
get into their thirties and they're just sort into sort

575
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,480
of mature as anyway, Richard is just twenty five years old.

576
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:43,240
He's got plenty of time in front of him. It's

577
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,039
it's it's not a marathon, I mean, or rather, it's

578
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:47,640
not a sprint. It's a marathon. So let him take

579
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,759
his time. They continue to develop him and they move

580
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,359
him in the right direction, all right.

581
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: On the undercard, Lindolfo Delgado did win by decision in

582
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,480
his junior Well to Way co feature fight, and Abdullah

583
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,359
Mason also victorious. I have to confess I've not seen

584
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,200
those fights. I do stay on my Dan Rayfhaeld Substack,

585
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,240
and I saw the recaps that you wrote about them.

586
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,079
So tell the audience here a little more about those

587
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,440
two fights real quick to run well.

588
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: Delgado against Rodriguez, this was an eliminator for the WBC

589
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,440
at one but it is not, at least I don't

590
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,160
think so. According to Top Break, was not a final eliminator.

591
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,640
In other words, just because Lindelfha Delgado a former Mexican

592
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Olympian and now still undefeated at twenty three and oho

593
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:32,799
with sixteen knockouts, he's not necessarily the next mandatory. They

594
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,920
haven't named the manager. I know, we go through the

595
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,680
you know the words souad all the time on it.

596
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,359
But he is certainly now in a great position to

597
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,920
fight for a title. The WBC champion at one hundred

598
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,079
and forty is Albert Playo, so that's the guy he's

599
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,920
looking to fight. But the main thing is he went

600
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,519
in the ring in a fight that on paper going

601
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,480
in was pretty evenly matched, where there was a lot

602
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,079
of reasons that you could think Elvis Rodriguez would win

603
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,079
the fight, a lot of reasons to think Delgado would

604
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,160
win the fight. It was a close fight, and in

605
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,440
the end, it was the outo that won the majority decision.

606
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,240
The funny thing about that, though, is that the one

607
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:06,839
memorable moment in the fight, which was in round number

608
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,359
nine that belonged to Elvis Rodriguez, when he cracked him

609
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,240
and knocked them badly off balance, almost knocked them down,

610
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,359
knocked them sort of not into the ropes like he

611
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,279
bounced and they kept them up, but he kind of

612
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,759
grabbed on to keep from sliding backwards, and you know,

613
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:21,559
looked like he might be in some trouble. There was

614
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,880
still a little time left in the round, and right

615
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,720
off that situation he had Elvis Rodriguez going after him,

616
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:29,079
but he only did it for a few seconds and

617
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,680
he kind of let him off the hook. I don't

618
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,359
know if he thought he was just playing possible or

619
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,200
maybe he was punched out a little bit, but he

620
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,680
let that moment escape him. And then Delgado went out

621
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,519
and won the tenth round on all three scorecards, and

622
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,599
he was able to win the fight because of that.

623
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,519
Had he not, then there was a good chance a

624
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,400
fight winds up as a draw. So that ninth round

625
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,559
moment where Elvis was unable to capitalize on that big

626
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,759
punch that he landed. It enabled Delgado to survive the

627
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,279
rest of the round and thrive in round number ten

628
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,480
and win the decision. But this was one of those

629
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,519
fights where you know, two guys have been brought along

630
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,440
by top rank for a long time, both in you know,

631
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920
not not young guys anymore in terms of like prospects.

632
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,519
They're both you know, they're what they are. One guy's

633
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:13,640
twenty nine and one guy's thirty. And let's see what

634
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,119
you can do. And Delgado gets to win, and he's

635
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,400
an exciting fighter to watch. You know, I said this before,

636
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:22,519
I'm gonna say it again. Elvis Rodriguez has got a

637
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960
crazy amount of high from a lot of people, and

638
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,480
I'm not knocking the young man, but I just never

639
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,880
saw it. And I'm vindicated because once again he falls

640
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,960
short when he steps up.

641
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,359
Speaker 1: Good for him. Abdullah Mason as well gets a victory.

642
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,319
I know you are very conversely, you're very high on him,

643
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,440
yeaving a little more on that one.

644
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,839
Speaker 2: It's impossible not to be me. Mason is a tremendous talent.

645
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,079
He does everything you want to see in a young fighter.

646
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,279
First of all, the day of the fight on Saturday

647
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,599
night was his twenty first birthday, So he goes out

648
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:49,680
there and he gets the six round knockout against Carlos

649
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,559
Arnellis and celebrates his birthday and it was kind of

650
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,519
endearing because the crowd was singing Happy Birthday to him

651
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:57,880
after the fight was over. That was nice to see.

652
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,279
But he maintains his perfect records eighteen and zero. He's

653
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,759
scored three knockdowns. He put Ornelli's down on his knee

654
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,079
three times in the second round, in the fourth round.

655
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:07,720
In the sixth round, he was taking a bad beating

656
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,640
and there was a lot of conversation in the corner

657
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,960
between the corner and the doctor and the referee. We're

658
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,279
gonna stop the fight, and then they finally had the

659
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,440
doctor come in and take another good look at him,

660
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,039
and at that point the doc says to the referee,

661
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,799
who was rabul Okayist Junior, time to call it a day,

662
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,279
and they stopped the fight. So Mason gets another victory.

663
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,200
He'll be back sometime in June whenever the Kishon Davis

664
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,440
defends the lightweight title for the next time. He's supposed

665
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,200
to fight in an ESPN card sometime in June, and

666
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,920
you'll see Abdula Mason back on that undercard, so he's

667
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,799
staying busy. He's getting in his reps. He's now eighteen

668
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:42,440
and oho with sixteen knockouts, just turned twenty one years old,

669
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,440
literally on the day of the fight. So he has

670
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,960
a hugely bright future and he's starting to develop. You

671
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,039
listen to his interviews. He's got some confidence about him.

672
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:52,799
He's got a little swagger to him. Comes from a

673
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,759
real tight knit group with his family, not like tons

674
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:57,279
of hangers on or anything like that. You hope it

675
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,720
stays that way. But he's got a huge future and

676
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,440
to watch.

677
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: All right, and then we move along in the quartet.

678
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,559
Let's go, shall we from Las Vegas to Kazakhstan. I've

679
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,480
always wondered if they have a direct flight. No, I haven't. Uh.

680
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:15,599
This was Saturday afternoon US time, early Saturday afternoon, because Kazakhstan,

681
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,839
again I believe, is nine hours ahead of Eastern time.

682
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,559
And Jana Beek did retain the ib F and w

683
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,559
BO middleweight titles. I confess again, I did not watch

684
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,599
this blow by blow, but I've seen the knockout of

685
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,319
If you want me to try the name again and

686
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,599
hold on, let me try it. In gum missing gay

687
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,160
am I close with how you say.

688
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,279
Speaker 2: You have to listen to our man. I got to

689
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:37,160
tip the hat, which you can see on the.

690
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,839
Speaker 1: You are sharing it on the video that we're showing

691
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:39,799
you're tipping the hat.

692
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: Corey Erdman was the blow by blow announcer on this fight,

693
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,880
and Corey and he was doing the blow by blow

694
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,759
of this whole card with with the great Ray Boom

695
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,559
boom Mancini. And at one point during the show you

696
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,960
had ray Mancini uh saying to Corey that he had

697
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,319
to give him his give him his respect for doing

698
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:00,720
you know, because all these names from these these you know,

699
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Central Asian countries in Kazakhstan and other former Soviet republics,

700
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,079
they're difficult to say for those of us in this

701
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,160
side of the world. And Corey's got a down pat

702
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:13,680
so he had the name Annuel Nassam Ingue he didn't, okay.

703
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,640
So anyway, Janebec was able to go in there and

704
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,599
just beat his rear end all over the place. This

705
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:23,599
was Janebec making a homecoming defense of his unified WBO

706
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,319
and IBF Middleway titles. He had never had a fight

707
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,920
in his home country of Kazakhstan since his first and

708
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,279
second professional fights, which were in twenty sixteen and seventeen.

709
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:35,359
So this was an opportunity for his promoter, top rank

710
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640
to make a deal with the local promoter to bring

711
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,640
him home, have this this homecoming bout. He was a

712
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,160
medallist in the twenty sixteen Olympics. Ness Gembwey, who was

713
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,279
his opponent, was also a representative of his home country

714
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,400
of Congo in the Olympics in twenty sixteen. He's now

715
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,839
based out of France, and you know, he's a tet

716
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,400
of Corey, and the broadcasters told the story of all

717
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640
the hardships that this man has had his life, and

718
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,759
just the mere fact that he had the success he

719
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,599
had as an amateur and to get this far in

720
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,319
his pro career as a real testament to just you know,

721
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:09,079
trying to make something out of your life. He'd been

722
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,319
homeless and all that. So for him to get this

723
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,799
kind of opportunity and probably make a pretty decent payday,

724
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,480
you know, good for him and nothing to be upset

725
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,119
about there. However, the skill level, the talent level, the

726
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,720
gap was just so gargantuan that other than a heart,

727
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,240
he just did not have anything for for Jenebeg and

728
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,200
he just took care of me, put him down in

729
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,079
the first round and then just kind of beat him up.

730
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:34,319
And eventually when he was taking it to him, you know,

731
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:35,960
he had hit him with a big cunch that bounced

732
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880
him into the ropes, knocked him down again, and he

733
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,200
got up in the corner, you know, appropriately decided to

734
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:42,960
call it a day.

735
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, his head snapped. He didn't know where he was,

736
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,880
so that needed to be stopped. Yeah, And that always

737
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,119
leads us to the next question because we keep talking about.

738
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,039
Speaker 2: This and he was way by the way, and he

739
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,000
was way down. He was down forty thirty five, nine

740
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,440
thirty six, so through a knockout, and what do you expect?

741
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Right? So now that lead exist because again you look

742
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,599
around and there's not a whole lot left uh in

743
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,079
the middleweight division unless unless you get another title uh

744
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,639
bout against another champion in a unified fight. What is next?

745
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,679
Jannebek gonna come back to the United States, trains a

746
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,840
lot out in out in Las Vegas, right and and

747
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,440
live Well.

748
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: No, he'sa no, he doesn't train in Las Vegas. He

749
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,119
trains he's based out of Oxnard, California.

750
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: To California, So realistically, later this summer he fights someone

751
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,920
in the middleweight division.

752
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: Later the summer may not be the fall he's gonna

753
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,559
They probably only owned two fights a year. So the

754
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,599
answer is there's no answer. I mean the unification bouts.

755
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,079
He has two belts. The other two champions in the

756
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,320
division or Arishlundi Laro's held the WBA title hostage for

757
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,719
the last few years, and carloson Damas, who has the

758
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,599
WBC belt, who's coming off draw that he deserved to

759
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:52,079
win against Hamsus Shiras. Now those two boxers are both

760
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,280
represented by PBC now top ranking. PBC been talking about

761
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,320
doing more fights together, and maybe they can make a

762
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,440
fight between Jannabeck and one of those two champions. Uh.

763
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,719
In my opinion, I would like to see Aristoni Laara

764
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:08,000
have a fight against a Damas, Let them unify the

765
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:11,639
WBA in the WBC. Let let jenebec have his WBO

766
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,159
and his IBA, and let the winner of a Lara

767
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:18,079
versus a Damas fight fight for undisputing. Now, even if

768
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,320
that word of went fold or they made any permutation

769
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,800
of unification, they are not big money fights. They they

770
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,800
are guys who just don't have a public following. I mean,

771
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,719
Janebec couldn't sell tickets, you know, to eliminate stand. I mean,

772
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,039
he just he just.

773
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: Does not lie. That's why he's fighting an unknown Congan

774
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440
fighter in Kazakhstan instead of fighting in the United States,

775
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,840
exactly because the market.

776
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 2: So that was the big part of it.

777
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,119
Speaker 1: What's the market? What's the dollars? Right?

778
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: The middleweight division, We've said it a thousand times. It

779
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,360
thinks out loud. The best guys are Jennebec by default. Basically.

780
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,880
You know, Laura is a good fighter and has been

781
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,159
for a long time. But if you look at his

782
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,559
resume of who he's boxed in a middleweight fight, it's

783
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440
it's terrible, yep. And a Damas is a good fighter

784
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,239
also in his spot some okay guys too, but not

785
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,039
as known and has less experience and less title fights.

786
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,760
So the division is just wide open, uh. I mean,

787
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,760
I'm hopeful that one of these top guys at fifty

788
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,079
four will come up and make some noise. But right now,

789
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,880
you ask me who's next for Jenemeet, You know what

790
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,639
My answer is, TJ who gives a shit?

791
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, so far again we sparred on the preview pod.

792
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,360
I like Bronco adamis, let's make that fighter. You know,

793
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,559
let's have at least some activity with these guys and

794
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:34,719
then it will drum up some interest that maybe they fight.

795
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,079
I don't know.

796
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:38,559
Speaker 2: I don't dislike that match. I only my argument with

797
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,800
you is that it's meaningful to anybody other than them,

798
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,920
because it would not be considered.

799
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: But there's not a title defense unless a Domas fights Sharraz,

800
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:50,800
which that might happen in a rematch. What's another compelling.

801
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,639
Speaker 2: Fighters not fighting sh Sharaz is going to Superman away

802
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:55,679
forgetting and so there you go.

803
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: So what else is out there besides that? If you're

804
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,159
a Dominis that would make you any money or have

805
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:00,639
any interest.

806
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,679
Speaker 2: They'll dig up somebody an they look through the ratings

807
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,159
of the organizations and you know he's gonna get ordered

808
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,320
to do an IBF mandatory at some time. That always

809
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,519
is always a joy when they order some piece of

810
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:13,239
you know, the title to be defended against a guy

811
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,199
that nobody knows.

812
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: So kind of like this guy that Jana Beck had

813
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,360
pretty much all right. So Baka Deer Jalla Looff was

814
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,800
also on this undercard and he won by decision. Again,

815
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,320
I have to confess I've not seen that fight. He's humongous.

816
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000
He's the former gold meadalist. You mentioned Richard Torrez that

817
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,440
he won over Richard Torres. He has. He has two

818
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,960
or three wins over Richard Torres, including a big knockout

819
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,320
previously like in a in a world championship setting, and

820
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,880
then beat him again. How many how many times? Two?

821
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Three that he beat Torres? Two that he beat Torrez.

822
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,519
Speaker 2: The first time they met, he scored a massive, massive,

823
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,639
massive knockout against Taurus when they met in the Rea,

824
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:50,760
and Torres, I think was still a teenager at that time,

825
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,719
and Jalla Love is much older and more mature and

826
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,320
more physical, was more and more together when they fought

827
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,440
in the rematch that was the Olympic final. And even

828
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,119
though Jalla have won that fight in uh In for

829
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,360
the gold medal for his for his uh there was

830
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,760
a far more competitive fight than when he blitzed him

831
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,519
the first time, joll Love stayed amateur. And I keep

832
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:13,840
in mind now he stayed amateur because even though he

833
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,159
went to the pros and had a bunch of fights.

834
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,000
He's in Uzbekistan as his home country. The government pays

835
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,360
the athletes tremendous amounts of money to continue to compete

836
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,320
in the Olympics as it's good for like the country's profile.

837
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,519
So he's he's decided to continue. He could have been

838
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,559
fighting as a pro, you know, fighting like real heavyweights

839
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:35,119
and eliminators and regional titles and maybe even a world

840
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,760
title fight, but he opted to stick with the team

841
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840
moves Bekkistan. They paid him a lot of money. He

842
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,239
went back to Paris in the Summer Games and he

843
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,239
won another gold medal. This was his first fight back

844
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,079
since the Paris Games of last summer, and they put

845
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,719
him in with a very rugged guy, Igor Chevy Dutsky.

846
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,079
I guess is how you say his name? He looked

847
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,199
like for that go ahead, they kept calling him the Hulk.

848
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,320
He looks like like imagine the incredible.

849
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,519
Speaker 1: Wait wait was he green? And did he have cut

850
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,239
off jeans that were tattered? Like?

851
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,679
Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is imagine if the Hulk

852
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,599
was a white guy with blonde hair instead of green

853
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:09,760
with brown hair or black.

854
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,599
Speaker 1: That sounds more like four. Now you're mixing up.

855
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: The SuperH No, because he doesn't thor wears like a

856
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,840
hat like a.

857
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,119
Speaker 1: But thorst long hair and he has the hammer right okay.

858
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: But he's also wears that lake helmet, doesn't.

859
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,639
Speaker 1: I guess, So no, that's this this guy. This guy

860
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,599
was the white blonde Hulk but anyway, years and still

861
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:30,679
took care of business, right.

862
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: So, but jall Lov went to distance for the first

863
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,119
time as a professional. He knocked him down with a

864
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,199
clean as a whistle shot. I think it was a

865
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,079
left hand, and he's got great power and he's a

866
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:42,920
southbaw he knocked him down. I want to say he

867
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,199
was in the third round, but I'm gonna call him

868
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,679
Thor because I don't know how to say. I'll call

869
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,880
him Hulk igor Ehor. He got up and he showed

870
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,440
a lot of heart and he went to distance with

871
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,679
this guy, and at one point in the fight he

872
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,400
rocked jall Off. I thought jall Love to me, looked

873
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,320
terrible on this fight.

874
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: Just he looked out of shape to you. Round fifth round.

875
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: He always looks in shape. It's not about being in shape.

876
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,840
I just feel like when you've stayed into the amateur

877
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,400
ranks that long, that he's starting to regress, like he

878
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,400
should be fighting real guys in the heavyweight division. It's

879
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,440
not like he's a prospect. The guy is thirty years old, right,

880
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,559
he's got fifteen professional fights, two Olympic gold medals. Like,

881
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,000
what are we doing here? Like I said, I was

882
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:26,519
talking to one of the people I know on his

883
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:30,159
team about the fight just earlier today, and we were

884
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:32,480
sort of like, is he gonna fight a real guy?

885
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:34,239
They're like, we hope we can match him with like

886
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,840
a legitimate guy in the next fight. It's no more

887
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,599
babying this guy. He's fought a bunch of nobody's fifteen

888
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:42,079
pro fights. I'm totally fine. When you come into the

889
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:44,320
pro game, you're gonna have your you know, your easy

890
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,400
matchups to sort of get the hang of things. But

891
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,800
at this stage of his career, with the amount of

892
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,519
money that he gets paid as a pro, it's time. Okay,

893
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:54,079
what are we doing? Let's step up?

894
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,079
Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned on Jolla Off and what's next

895
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:59,880
for him. So we've given you a ton of reek

896
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,719
hap Let's give you some news and let's give you

897
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,039
some nostalgia. The news is not good for Jai Opataiah.

898
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,440
Injury for him, and so his May upcoming title defense

899
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,920
with Claudio SQUAYO am I close. There was to have

900
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,760
been in Australia is now delayed. Fill in the blanks.

901
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,920
What's going on here?

902
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: Well, he was supposed to have well, I mean, keep

903
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,159
in mind, the longer range picture is the idea that

904
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,719
they can maybe make a unification fight with Zerto Ramirez

905
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,159
in the latter part of this year, because Zerto was

906
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,599
first going to do his mandatory against Dordicos, who was

907
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:38,679
a former champion. That's actually a good fight, and Opataiah

908
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,039
has been staying busy, so they thought this was a

909
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:43,400
great opportunity to go home and do yet another fight

910
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,800
in Australia on the Gold Coast, and so he was

911
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,199
scheduled to go on May thirteenth against Squao. In this

912
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,519
fight defending the IBF and the lineal title in the

913
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:57,960
cruiserweight division. He suffered an injury, and his team and

914
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,079
Tasman Fighters and himself in Natural Boxing, everybody involved with

915
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,440
this event. In his own they announced that it had

916
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,880
been postponed from May thirteenth. It will still take place,

917
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,039
same opponents, same location, but instead of May thirteenth, that's

918
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:11,400
going to be June eighth. And there was like a

919
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,280
short statement that he had had a what they termed

920
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,719
a minor injury, but they didn't specify what it was.

921
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,039
Rayfield made a couple of phone calls and you know,

922
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,239
found out in about thirty seconds what the injury was.

923
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,559
I was told that he had suffered in his training

924
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,039
in recent days a slight tear in one of his

925
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:29,639
calfs and then he actually wanted to go and fight,

926
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,960
to fight anyway, and they're like, no, we're not doing that.

927
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,440
But it's not a major tear. You need an extra

928
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,079
couple of weeks to take care of it. So you know,

929
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,480
you noticed that the date was not delayed significantly from

930
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,280
the from the thirteenth things.

931
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,079
Speaker 1: Because here's where I can just kind of fill in.

932
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,960
I'm not an orthopedist. I just played one out of

933
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,159
the hotel in San Antonio when I'm on with Rayfield.

934
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,519
The first concern that you have when you hear calf

935
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,400
muscle tear is that's connected to the good old Achilles,

936
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,440
So just be careful that that can be much worse

937
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,320
when you know, we don't want to play around with that.

938
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,320
And the second thing is this can be a nagging

939
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,280
thing where you think you're fine and then you're not

940
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,440
fine for a month or for longer. I'm not saying

941
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,000
doom and gloom. I have no idea, but it's better

942
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,599
to be cautious here and delay this thing until June,

943
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:14,440
which is what you're saying.

944
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think if he was fighting same for example, Zerdo,

945
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:18,679
maybe it would be in a little bit of a

946
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,800
longer delay because that's a much more serious fight than

947
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,920
this opponent. So anyway, in the end, Opataia is a warrior.

948
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,639
I mean we know that just from having watched when

949
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:29,679
he won the title in the first place, back you know,

950
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,440
a couple of years ago, three years ago, whenever it was,

951
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,079
when he fought with it.

952
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: And by the way, he's been active and it keeps

953
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,000
him relevant because we kept talking about him.

954
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: We like that, Yeah, no doubt about it. So we

955
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:40,679
know he's We know he's got a threshold for pain.

956
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,639
If he's able to fight through a broken nose as

957
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:44,440
long as he did in that rough fight in his

958
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,800
first out with Myris Brats, who we defeated to win

959
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,159
the title.

960
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: Heye had a broken jaw in the first fight, broken John,

961
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,079
and then he broken nose in the rematch. He is

962
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:52,559
a tough thing.

963
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,199
Speaker 2: I didn't mean the nose. I meant to jaw. That

964
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,800
was the bad one. That was the real bad ones.

965
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,079
So anyway, look, hopefully he gets better and heels up

966
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,880
and he comes back no injuries than that, heals and

967
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,480
then takes care of his If he does take care

968
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,360
of the business, that they'll they'll make that match with

969
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,239
with with zero for later this year, and that would

970
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,639
be an outsetting matchup. It's to me, anyway, the best

971
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,440
fight you can make in the cruiserweight division. And uh,

972
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,119
you know, having fights get postponed by two or three

973
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,000
weeks for an injury is not anything unusual.

974
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned on that we have a little

975
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,280
we're gonna get out in front of something because as

976
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,320
we do this Sunday night into Monday, there's news about

977
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,719
heavyweights Faby Owardly and Jarrell real big baby or he's

978
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,519
big baby, right, I can't even keep it training. He's

979
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:35,480
big baby Miller. They are gonna fight coming up and

980
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:39,199
it's being officially announced. But right now Rayfiel's got the intel.

981
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, it was announced.

982
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: It is announced. Okay, go ahead, it is announced. And

983
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,519
then to give me the detail I.

984
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: Had written about it on Friday with the Pacifics in

985
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,119
a notebook and then the next day when they when

986
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,320
they and I wrote it in the piece, they're going

987
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,880
to appear together at the Hergovich fight and pose together,

988
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:57,519
you know, in the ring, and take pictures and then

989
00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:59,639
there's gonna be a press conference on Monday. And so

990
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,239
then what happened. They showed up at the fight on Saturday,

991
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,519
took pictures and then Queensbury announced that there will be

992
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,440
a press commerence in Faby Wardley's hometown of Ipswich, England,

993
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,639
which is where the fight will take place on his

994
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,239
own on June seventh, and it will be Wardley against

995
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,840
Jerald Miller. As you said, Unfortunately, it will be for

996
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,800
the vacant WBA interim heavyweight title, which is somewhat nauseating

997
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,679
for a lot of different reasons.

998
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say again, what are we doing here? And

999
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,199
you said to me over and over again, they're cleaning

1000
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,559
this up. They're not going to keep doing this. Are

1001
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,960
you now going to go on blast? They obviously are

1002
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,760
going to keep the cancer the big titles.

1003
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:43,079
Speaker 2: The Cancer of Boxing is the WBA's regular title at heavyweight.

1004
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,280
The other divisions have largely been under control for quite

1005
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,320
a while, but the heavyweight one they just cannot get

1006
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,920
out of. Their own way. The Queensberry people petition it.

1007
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,320
They feel like having Wardley when this interim nonsense is

1008
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,519
somehow more makes the fight bigger or more marketable. I

1009
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,480
don't agree with that. I think it is what it is.

1010
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,400
I think the people of England who are in his

1011
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,599
hometown recognize that Jerol Miller is a good contender and

1012
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,760
the named guy, and Wardley is still a developing fighter.

1013
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,679
It's so silly. Regardless, the winner is going to be

1014
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,960
the mandatory for Kubrat Pulev, who's the regular champion who's

1015
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:19,960
ordered to fight his mandatory against Michaelanndra. But fuck all

1016
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:24,119
that shit. The bottom line is Babio Wardley against Jeral

1017
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:27,000
Miller is a good fight world. Okay, He's got his

1018
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,320
calling cards, if you will, are the incredibly action packed

1019
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,840
draw he had with Fraser Clark and then in the

1020
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,760
rematch that was in Saudi Arabia annihilating him in the

1021
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,039
first round. That was a very big statement. This will

1022
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:44,239
be a next fight after that. Miller is coming off

1023
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,360
of the draw against Andy Ruiz in August in Los

1024
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,239
Angeles on the read season card that was headlined by

1025
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,599
Terrence Crawford, and even though he wound up with a

1026
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,760
draw against Andy Luiz. The majority of people felt like

1027
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,920
Jero Miller probably deserved to be the winner, not Ruiz.

1028
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,559
And so now you got one heavyweight that's trying to

1029
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,400
move up the ladder and make a name for himself

1030
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,440
and Wardley against Jaren Miller, who's kind of treading water

1031
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,880
but hoping to get another shot because he spent most

1032
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,119
of the last you know, six or seven years shooting

1033
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,400
himself on the FOT and destroying his own career with

1034
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,719
multiple drug test failures. But they both have an opportunity now.

1035
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: For a date. What's the date we're looking at.

1036
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: It's going to be June seventh. It'll take place at

1037
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,360
a place called Portman Stadium in Wordley's hometown, which is Ipswich.

1038
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,559
I guess that's one of the locations where one of

1039
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:33,639
the local soccer clubs makes it. You know, that's their

1040
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:35,960
home stadium. So they'll draw a good crowd there. And

1041
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,519
you know, look, Frank Warren is in his brand new

1042
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,559
deal with his own they're trying to you know, not

1043
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,559
that they're gonna stop trying to do this, but they're

1044
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,760
they're they're trying to endeavor to make interesting fights, and

1045
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,039
you know, they're very deep in the heavyweight division. They

1046
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,400
just did the Hergivage fight that took place over the

1047
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,639
weekend against Joe Joyce, really good fight. This hopefully can

1048
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,519
be another one of that kind of line of fights.

1049
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,840
And they've got other heavyweights that they work with also

1050
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,679
and we've seen it. They're gonna probably wind up doing

1051
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:06,760
uh duboi in the rematch against Usick. There involve obviously

1052
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,639
with Joseph Parker. Moses mosesma was on the way up

1053
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,280
who I expect will step up to a higher level

1054
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,480
of opposition in the coming fights. So, uh, this is

1055
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:19,960
another and a long line of heavyweight offerings that Queensberry

1056
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,159
can put on. And uh it should be a pretty

1057
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,239
solid fight because one thing, you know, take you know,

1058
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,119
say what do you want about Jerrel Miller and the

1059
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,119
non stop up fell drug test. You know he has

1060
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:31,719
been cleaned now for a while. He's taken a gazillion

1061
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,480
VADA tests.

1062
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:33,199
Speaker 1: Uh.

1063
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: He did give Andy Rui's a heck of a fight,

1064
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:36,400
even if it was close, and a lot of people

1065
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,079
thought he won, but it was a draw. It to me,

1066
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,360
this is a this is still the biggest step off

1067
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,719
for Wardley. No knock on on on Fraser Clark, but

1068
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,239
Jeral Miller is a better, more known commodity than Fraser

1069
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,360
Clark was no doubt about it, all.

1070
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: Right, So that's coming in June. One more news item

1071
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,639
as well. And this is interesting on my rundown because

1072
00:48:56,679 --> 00:49:00,519
you know that typically I do our pods from West

1073
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:05,599
central Florida from Tampa Bay, big Hispanic Cuban Puerto Rican

1074
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:10,880
population in Tampa and big fight town Tampa is and

1075
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,519
Cuban fighters have fought in Tampa all the time and

1076
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,960
all over Florida all the time when turning pro. But

1077
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:20,360
a professional boxing card is now going to happen in

1078
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,719
Cuba coming up, and it has not happened in Cuba

1079
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:27,440
for sixty years, a professional fight card, So fill in

1080
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,320
the blanks.

1081
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: If that's what to me is so crazy about this

1082
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,920
because Cuba has for many decades been known as the

1083
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,400
powerhouse of amateur boxing. I mean, they've won gazillions of medals.

1084
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,519
I mean, other than the United States, which hasn't been

1085
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,719
the powerhouse maybe in recent years, but you know it

1086
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,599
was for many years before they were in some ways

1087
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:50,360
replaced by Cuba. And then to a certain degree, of course,

1088
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,079
you know, the former Soviet countries when they became their

1089
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:56,480
own entities like Kazakhstan, whuz Pakistan, et cetera. But the

1090
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:01,079
Cuban amateur program is storied, is legendary. But the sport

1091
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,760
of boxing on a professional level was banned by the

1092
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,960
Castro regime from nineteen sixty two and then the ban

1093
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,159
was lifted in twenty twenty two. But they didn't have cards,

1094
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,519
even though I guess technically it was legal from my understanding,

1095
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,800
they didn't have any pro cards even though it's been

1096
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,559
allowable for the last couple of years.

1097
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: So Agon Sports hell in the gap on the Civics

1098
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,920
lesson because you're basically not allowed to be a capitalist

1099
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,280
in a communist country. So it's basically is the government

1100
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:31,239
gonna put this card on? Who are they allowing to

1101
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,400
make money off of this? That's that's what it comes

1102
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:33,679
down to.

1103
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,079
Speaker 2: So the German promoter Agon Sports, who they're the ones

1104
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:43,320
that promoted fights like they promote William Skull for example,

1105
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,320
who's a Cuban that's based out of Germany. They're the

1106
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,880
ones that promoted Remember we were just talking about the

1107
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,760
Unif you know that Jennebeck is the Unified champion when

1108
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,400
he won the IBF title, he fought Gultieri from Germany

1109
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,679
that was an Agon Sports fighter, So they've been doing

1110
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,679
those shows over there. When when martaz Leev fought for

1111
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,960
the IBF title, he fought for the vacant title against

1112
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,239
Jack Kulka who was promoted by Agon and went and

1113
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,840
fought on one of their shows over in Germany. But

1114
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,159
they have also been involved with some of the Cuban

1115
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,760
amateurs that have turned pro who are still in Cuba.

1116
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,280
So this is being put on by Agon Sports and

1117
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,440
Conjunction what is the Cuban Boxing Federation, and they'll be

1118
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,320
they're calling a Cuban Fight Night, and they've got lined

1119
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,880
up several, you know, renowned Cuban amateurs who have had

1120
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,079
a handful of professional fights who will fight on this

1121
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,039
card in pro fights one. And it's taking place, you know,

1122
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,960
at a hotel. They're gonna fight in like WBA regional

1123
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,960
title fights, not world title fights, but the regional belts

1124
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,199
at all the young fighters and prospects, et cetera, trying

1125
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,119
to win as they you know, try to get ranked

1126
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,599
and move up the rankings and and and prepare for

1127
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,639
bigger fights. They'll do it at a hotel, uh in

1128
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:52,639
a in a in a place in Cuba called was

1129
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,760
it Verdardo Verado? Not not, it's not in Havana, it's

1130
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,440
another city in the island. And but they've got fighters

1131
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,719
like the heavyweight Julio La Cruze, Julio Sesar la Cruz.

1132
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,159
He's three and oh as a probab he's thirty five

1133
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,280
years old, but he's won multiple gold medals. He won

1134
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,280
a light heavyweight gold medal in twenty sixteen, he won

1135
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,239
the gold medal at heavyweight in twenty twenty and then,

1136
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,719
in a probably the biggest upset of the twenty four Olympics,

1137
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,199
he got eliminated in the tournament in the first in

1138
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:19,960
his opening bout.

1139
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

1140
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,079
Speaker 2: But anyway, he's the headliner, and he's taken on a

1141
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:25,639
guy named Dylan Prazovich who was not a well known guy,

1142
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,480
but he did challenge Lawrence Okoley for the WBC's cruiserweight

1143
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,960
title a few years ago, so he you know, he's

1144
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:35,599
going to experience like that. They've got another outstanding Cuban

1145
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,320
name Arlen Lopez, who was a light heavyweight. He's a

1146
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,000
three time Olympian. He won the middleweight gold in twenty sixteen.

1147
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:44,239
He won the head light heavyweight gold in twenty twenty.

1148
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,119
He returned and won a middleweight bronze in twenty twenty four,

1149
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,320
so he's on the card. Got Arislandi Alvarez and other

1150
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:53,559
Cuban gold medals from twenty twenty four. He's the young guy.

1151
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,800
He's only twenty four years old, so he's still on

1152
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,920
the way up in terms of his you know, just

1153
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,840
his general boxing experience. And Laslo Alvarez, who's a two

1154
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,320
time bronze medal winner, he's a lightweight. He's on the card.

1155
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,559
So they're they're loading up the card with the top

1156
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,920
Cubans that haven't defected or left, and it's going to

1157
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,920
be interesting to see after this takes place. Are they

1158
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,039
going to ever be allowed to go fight outside of

1159
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,679
Cuba and then still come back to Cuba. Because I

1160
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,559
suspect if you ever talk to the Cuban fighters, they

1161
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,639
have an allegiance and a love for their country, but

1162
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:25,760
they want it to come to America or elsewhere to

1163
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,599
be able to have the ability to earn money. But

1164
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,920
if these guys like who I'm talking about, these Cuban Olympians,

1165
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:35,119
if they're able to make money and fight in Cuba,

1166
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,320
the guys that have left Cuba in a heartbeat. A

1167
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,880
lot of those guys would be willing to go back

1168
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,760
and fight there and live there if they can make

1169
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,119
a living.

1170
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: But again you're talking about they may have relaxed this.

1171
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,480
It's still a communist situation, and the United States obviously

1172
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,599
had embargoes on being able to go and do business there. Whatever.

1173
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,480
But hey, at least the fights and this is happening quickly, right,

1174
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:57,599
How soon is this happening with this side?

1175
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this has kind of been on the

1176
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,280
books for the last couple of weeks, but it's happening

1177
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,719
like April eleventh, later.

1178
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,159
Speaker 1: This week, later this week, all right, So the Cuban

1179
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,480
fighters get some action there. I won more bit of

1180
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:12,000
business before we are done, and then I think I

1181
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,400
might have some chimmy chongos or something else calling my

1182
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:17,360
name later on, some case of das something here on

1183
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,360
the river walk of San Antonio. That is nostalgia. That

1184
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:26,400
is Floyd Mayweather, money, May money, May all the day.

1185
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,920
It is nineteen years ago Tuesday, April eighth of two

1186
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,840
thousand and six that Mayweather fought zab Judah from New

1187
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,960
York and he won the world welterweight title with you there,

1188
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,280
But that ain't the whole story. Let's get nostalgic because

1189
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,280
we've done this before. Because this got crazy crazy as

1190
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,519
in WWE Royal rumble type stuff, battle Royale in the ring,

1191
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:58,119
crazy in the Mayweather win over Judah. Give me some more.

1192
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:01,079
Speaker 2: Well, one thing you have to do is put in

1193
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:05,079
perspective and understand that Floyd had been the champion at

1194
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,320
one hundred and thirty pounds, He'd been a champion at

1195
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,639
one hundred and thirty five pounds, he had briefly held

1196
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,719
the title at one hundred and forty pounds, he had

1197
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,320
taken a fight at one hundred and forty seven pounds

1198
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,079
against Charmbi Micheline one, and now he's moving up to

1199
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:19,719
one forty seven to challenge Zab Judah for the IBF title.

1200
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,559
But Judah, who was obviously a very good fighter, was

1201
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,960
coming off of the massive upset loss to Carlos Valdimir.

1202
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,000
But the IBF did IBF things, and they were allowing

1203
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,280
him to keep the title. Even when they made the name,

1204
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:35,960
they advertised it as undisputed, which it was, but then

1205
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,360
they said, well, Valdimir was only paying the sanctioning fees

1206
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,960
for the WBC title, so uh, that's you know, he

1207
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:47,320
won the WBC title. The IBF title Zab was allowed

1208
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,920
to keep, and I guess the WB belt in my

1209
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,679
recollection went vacated. In any event, it was still a

1210
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:55,719
good match of Floyd and Floyd and Zab were good friends. Uh,

1211
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,239
but then they had this rivalry and it became very

1212
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,760
heated and very nasty when they were fighting other There

1213
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,360
was some sort of issues between them, and so they

1214
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,719
called the fights the best of enemies, if I recall correctly.

1215
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:08,679
And it was a big deal. And the other thing

1216
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:11,199
that made it big also was it was the first

1217
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:15,119
time in several years, in a number of years that

1218
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,800
Don King, who was the promoter for Zab Judah and

1219
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,960
Bob Aram who was the promoter at the time for Floyd,

1220
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,320
didn't honest to goodness co promotion big HBO pay per

1221
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,159
view fight. But Don and Bob, who had you know,

1222
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,519
butted heads for decades, they were going to do a

1223
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,280
fight together. So that was like a huge part of

1224
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,800
the promotion. They set the fight for Las Vegas, Thomas

1225
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,239
and Knack Center, you know, big HBO pay perview like

1226
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,239
I mentioned, and title on the line. Even though it

1227
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,440
was sort of ridiculous that that Zab was able to

1228
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,760
keep the belt after you know, suffering that loss and

1229
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,400
a humongous upset against Carlos Baldemir, and they went, they

1230
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,320
did the fight, and you know what, Floyd had been

1231
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,079
troubled at times by South Boss. Obviously he finished undefeated.

1232
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,159
He always found a way to figure them out, but

1233
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,159
he didn't really love fighting the South pat fighters. And

1234
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,159
Zab was not only a Southbob, but he was a

1235
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:04,639
South Bob with good power but really outstanding speed, and

1236
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,639
he had Floyd befuddled. And in the second round he

1237
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,159
caught him with a shot, he knocked him down, and

1238
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:10,760
the referee didn't call it. He called it a slip,

1239
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,440
but it was a knockdown and it should have been

1240
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,320
called a knockdown. And the same way where he had

1241
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,639
a knockdown called against him in another fight, I believe

1242
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:20,440
it was against Carlos Frnandez that shouldn't have been called

1243
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,119
a knockdown, but it was. This was the opposite. So

1244
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,360
the reality is Mayweather has one authentic knockdown in his career.

1245
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,320
The one that was called was the bullshit one. The

1246
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,400
one that was missed, that was the real knockdown was

1247
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,559
this one. So that's what happened in there. But Floyd

1248
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:37,280
got it figured out and after like round four he

1249
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,760
poured it on and took it to him. And I've

1250
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,000
said this before. I sat next to my pal Kevin

1251
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000
and I oli at that fight, huh, and we looked

1252
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,719
at each other in like the eleventh round and we're like,

1253
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,559
Floyd's about to stop him, and he was really starting

1254
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,519
to punish jazz Ab and that's when all the shit happened,

1255
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:54,440
and all the crazy stuff happened, and hit the fan,

1256
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,920
which was when Roger Mayweather. Floyd's trained you.

1257
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: To hit him like at the breaker after the bell,

1258
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,400
and that's what started it, right.

1259
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,159
Speaker 2: There was a low blow if I'm not okay, and

1260
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,519
Roger uh was was ticked off about that situation and

1261
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,960
got in the ring and confronted him and then.

1262
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,239
Speaker 1: He shoved him. He shoved him on the video.

1263
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,239
Speaker 2: But then so then the whole thing went crazy. You

1264
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,800
had Joel Judah, who was Zab's father, gets in the ring,

1265
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,760
you know, to Floyd Mayweather's credit, Floyd literally just walked

1266
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,000
to the corner and just stood there like I'm not

1267
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:30,159
getting involved with this. You know, you guys, do your ship.

1268
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,960
But I got nothing to do with this. And it

1269
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,239
turned into like a giant melee near riot scenario. People

1270
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,760
are running into the ring. Uh, and it was just

1271
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,000
complete undercast. There was a delay of a few minutes

1272
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,440
in the fight in the middle of like the eleventh

1273
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,800
Tell your story. I take it back. It was in

1274
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,159
the tenth round when this happened.

1275
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,239
Speaker 1: Tell your story about the police officer right next to

1276
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,679
you with the gun ring side.

1277
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I'm sitting with Ioli ringside, and as

1278
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:58,039
people are flooding into the ring, I looked to my

1279
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,840
left and somebody was about to try to come up

1280
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,760
the ring steps into the ring for no apparent reason,

1281
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,639
who had no business being there, and there was there

1282
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:08,440
were they had actually, if I remember, they had a

1283
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,360
lot of extra security that night because of the heated

1284
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,599
nature of the build up to the fight. And so

1285
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,880
the police officer, he didn't pull his gun out and

1286
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,519
threaten anybody with or anything like that, but he looked

1287
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:20,960
right at the guy who was trying to get in

1288
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,719
the ring, and he just took his hand and he

1289
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,960
tapped his gun, which was in the holster at their side,

1290
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:30,599
Like don't you fucking dare and the guy turned around and.

1291
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: Like the old rest gunfighter, move U, I'm about to

1292
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,840
pull this on you, and he didn't have to. But

1293
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:41,719
then that guy didn't get in the ring but the ring.

1294
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,159
So they restored order and then they call.

1295
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: Hold on the referee that missed that knockdout call early.

1296
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,719
The referee for the fight was Richard Steele. Was one

1297
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,440
of his last big fights of his career before he retired.

1298
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:56,639
But yeah, so that all happened. They they they they

1299
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:02,159
could have technically speaking, they could have disqualified Mayweather because

1300
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,480
it was his quarterman that came into the ring. But

1301
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:08,440
I'm glad that Richard Steele showed a restraint not to

1302
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,760
do that. So people can bust his balls from now

1303
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,840
until the end of time about their perception that his

1304
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,880
stoppage and the Chavez Meldred Taylor fight was terrible. Conversely,

1305
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,599
his his decision not to disqualify Floyd in this fight

1306
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:25,719
was the right call. That would have been much much

1307
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,920
worse than just letting that happen and go, you know,

1308
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:31,599
get order restored and have the fight go on. And

1309
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,039
you know, at that point, you know, the kind of

1310
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:35,679
the air was out of the fight. He wasn't going

1311
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,320
to get the knockout, but he cruised through the eleventh round,

1312
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,000
he cruised through the twelfth round, and Floyd won by,

1313
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:44,320
you know, a pretty dominating decision. And in the end

1314
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:49,239
it was zab Judah and Roger Mayweather and a bunch

1315
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,159
of people got suspended and fined and this and that,

1316
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,559
but Floyd did not because Floyd played the good guy

1317
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,400
and like I said, went to the corner and just

1318
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,880
stood there and waited for everything to blow over. It

1319
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,840
was for a split second, TJ. I've been in ring

1320
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,719
side for a million fights. That's the most danger I

1321
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,440
ever felt being ringside for a fight.

1322
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: Did you have somebody come up around you coming up

1323
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,960
into the ring or were you separated enough from that

1324
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,239
besides the stairs like you said, and the cops standing

1325
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:16,920
on No, we were just.

1326
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: In our normal seats. But it was it was the

1327
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,440
only way I can describe it is we were, like

1328
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:26,079
I felt like seconds away from something really bad happening.

1329
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:31,079
But the police presence there and the people that were

1330
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:33,719
involved in the security were really on top of their

1331
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:39,000
shit and they quelled what could have been a horrendous situation,

1332
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,679
and it was It was much more minor and it

1333
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:43,400
was basically confined to within the ring.

1334
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: We don't have to go for another ten minutes. But

1335
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,320
like when you compare it to Riddick Bow, not even

1336
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,480
in Andrew Gollatta. There was not a presence and that's

1337
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,800
why it escalated ten seconds, five seconds, ten seconds, fifteen

1338
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,119
seconds into fifty people are in the ring and then

1339
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:02,679
you can't control it. They told enough immediately to get

1340
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:03,960
it calmed down and separated.

1341
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,679
Speaker 2: The crazy thing is the genesis of what happened with

1342
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,320
Riddick bo and Andrew Glotta was the low blow, right.

1343
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,280
The genesis of what happened here was was Judah with

1344
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,519
a blatant low blow in the tenth round against Mayweather.

1345
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:19,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Roger had enough and yeah.

1346
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: And so he got in the ring. So he's he's

1347
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,559
lucky that he didn't he didn't cost his fighter the fight.

1348
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,000
He did get suspended, and that was you know, I

1349
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,760
remember covering all the different things that we're going on

1350
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,360
with the hearings and everything. Uh, and it was a

1351
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:32,880
real mess, and Zad was out of the ring for

1352
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,119
a while. But that was in terms of things that

1353
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:40,239
happened that weren't related to the actual boxing. That was

1354
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:42,480
one of the more memorable things I've been in terms

1355
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:43,119
of the fight.

1356
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: Crazy and that is now almost twenty years ago. Nineteen

1357
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,320
years ago. April eighth is the anniversary on Tuesday two

1358
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,760
thousand and six for the Mayweather win. All right, so

1359
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,559
we have been here for a little while, good stuff

1360
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:58,239
on all the recaps all over the place. We got

1361
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:01,840
some some news out of the way, nostalgia. We will

1362
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,000
go into the preview mode later this week, we should

1363
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:08,360
say to the audience. Due to a scheduling switch, we're

1364
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,559
gonna do the bet Us Boxing show on Wednesday for

1365
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:16,440
the jiron Nis fight. Wednesday Wednesday, one Eastern time, typically

1366
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:19,159
it's Friday, so you and I will actually do that

1367
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:22,199
show before we do the preview podcast. For our pod audience,

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01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:26,519
find us on the bet Us platforms including YouTube, Twitter, etc.

1369
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On bet Us Wednesday afternoon at one Eastern or Wednesday

1370
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,280
subsequent to that, why don't you and I reconvene and

1371
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,880
talk Innos and Stanionis later the week. They can hear

1372
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,719
Boots n Us back on the previous podcast if you

1373
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:41,760
want to hear some more from Jaron Innis other than that,

1374
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,280
sorry about you, Duke Blue Devils. I'll see whatever happens

1375
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,599
with Florida and Houston in the college basketball National Title

1376
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:51,360
Game in the Alamo City. Let's see if it's gonna

1377
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,880
be wild again. Half of Houston will be here in

1378
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,639
San Antonio. My friend, you have a good week. Other

1379
01:03:56,719 --> 01:03:58,920
than that, we will rock on. I'll see you on

1380
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,760
the bet Us Show here coming up in a couple

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