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Speaker 1: And welcome back everyone to a new episode of You're

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Molly,

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I need you to explain something to me. Tell me

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about Cracker Barrel and why I should care about all this.

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I really this whole deal where they change their logo,

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but I'm told it's much more than that. Explain the situation.

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I am not a cracker barrel person. I think I've

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been in one a few times, maybe once with you. Actually,

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I think we were at a cracker Barrel once a

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few years back. But I don't get it. It's a

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big corporation. It's like a billion dollar corporation's trinkets from

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Malaysia in the front. It's not an actual, down home

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southern restaurant. I don't know why people get so emotional

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about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm also you're more Southern than I am. First of all, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know about that. I'm the least southern person I know.

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Speaker 2: I remember the very first time I went into a

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cracker barrel. It was the nineties. I ordered tea and

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they then ensued a conversation about whether it should be

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regular tea or sweet tea, and I explained that I

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didn't really understand the distinction, and the waitress said, y'all

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must be from the North. I wasn't from the North.

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That's from Colorado, you know. I just was like, oh boy,

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this was in by the way, on a trip to Williamsburg, Virginia,

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so it wasn't like deep South. It was just Virginia.

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Speaker 1: It's like when I ordered dumplings there, I expected something

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that approximated something that was like a Chinese dumpling or something,

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but no, it's just bits of flour in like this gelatine.

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It's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, as a Jew, you should have had

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something like that Jewishot's awful, but I disagree. Oh my gosh. Okay.

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And now that's also reminding me that one time when

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I was in Alabama, someone asked me if I wanted

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my chicken frad or double frad, which was a very

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exciting conversation. So I'm not really a cracker barrel of ficionado.

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The last time I was there, I was with you.

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We did it with the entire Federalist staff, but near

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as I can tell from people who go there, there

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has been a decline in the quality of the food

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that has been causing a decrease in customer satisfaction. And

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to address this, rather than like dealing with the food

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issue properly, a very uncracker barrel style CEO decided to

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rebrand the logo and redesign the interior of the stores.

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So the way it used to look if you went

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in was like you were entering your southern grandmother's house,

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lots of knick knacks and chatchkes and very down home feeling,

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and they've changed it into sort of like a slightly

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southern village in or ihop type feel, which is just

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not the thing that the customers are going for. And

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so this tension between the customers and the CEO just

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erupted over the redesign of the logo, which was objectively speaking,

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a very bad redesign. The old one had an old

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guy leaning against a barrel, and it just looked very

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old timy, and the new one is boring and awful,

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and it's just like a font saying cracker barrel on

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a background. I mean, it could not be more boring.

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I have a little thing I just want to say.

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When I was at the Opry, I noticed that that

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very they had like a very great old school logo

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with the guitar for WSM, and it just looked so great.

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And I was thinking about how everyone keeps changing awesome

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design and logos into very easily like reproduced logos that

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are boring, and I'm sick of it. It's not just

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a cracker barrel thing. It's like an everybody thing. And

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it makes me sad. We used to have really great,

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unique design and now everything looks like it was designed

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in Sweden by the same team of four people.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to be honest. I didn't get like,

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I don't get it. That other logo seems kind of

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with the old timy guy leaning against the barrel. I

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think he's sitting maybe on a rocking chair or something.

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Oh yeah, I it doesn't appeal to me, you know,

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esthetically the.

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Speaker 2: New logo appeal Now, No, it just it's so boring.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I'm a boring guy. Like if you

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if I could have my wed probably my house would

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look like an Ikia warehouse. Type or Ikia showroom or

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something which is not what you're going for when you're

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like a Southern chain, right, you know, you want to

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have a certain look. So I get that people are upset.

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It just it didn't bother me.

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Speaker 2: Ozre Nimani had a great piece in Fox Business about

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the deeper problems at Cracker Barrel, and it's it's something

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that we're just seeing with so many corporations. When the

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Left took over institutions. One of the smartest things they

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did was created these like quasi governmental structures that induce

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corporations into like radical dei stuff, and so Cracker Barrel

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in order to get good markings for investment, was leaning

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into you know, just your basic make everything gay in

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June kind of stuff. And one of their major investors

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was very concerned about how they were. There was a

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cleavage between their customer base and the corporate heads, and

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he started causing problems by saying, like, you all seem

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to be caring more about pleasing you know, gay men

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in New York City, a place where we don't even

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have any restaurants than our actual base, which is in

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these southern states. And the black Rock part of the

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board just hated this guy, and they really, I mean,

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they were fighting. You can read it in the filings.

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They're just going back and forth. He doesn't like the CEO.

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They install this CEO who clearly doesn't care at all

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about Cracker Barrel. And it's just interesting to see that

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what what erupted publicly had been a battle going on

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between stakeholders for years. And the guy who was saying, like,

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we're moving away from our customer base could not have

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been more right, Like he was absolutely right that they

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were not upholding shareholder value with the way that they

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were managing things, and so it all seemed to be

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maybe possibly dying down a little bit. And then Trump

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comes in this week and says Cracker Barrel messed up,

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and within hours they sort of backtracked on their logo.

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But the thing is, it's not just a logo issue.

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It's like a management issue. And for communities that and

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Cracker Barrel is frequently one of those chains like a

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Walmart that came in and destroyed all the mom and

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pop similar things. But then it becomes after decades of

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dominating some of these towns, it becomes the communal place

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where people get together and it becomes very important for

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people that it, you know, they feel ownership to in

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this thing that they have started spending decades at and

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going to brunch after church and having family dinners at.

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So you and I are not the target audience here,

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because the last time we went was you know, maybe

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one of the only times we'd gone, but it is.

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It is a cautionary story for corporations who aim to

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please their young, you know, marketing graduates more than their

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customer base.

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Speaker 1: I guess the change, the plane change didn't seem very

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woke to me. It just seemed like kind of trendy

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in a way where everything is plainer, I guess.

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Speaker 2: But saying the logo, the logo, Yeah, it's not really

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about the logo.

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Speaker 1: I get that, and what you're saying. Yeah, but you know,

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it's probably tough. It's a big court, it's a chain, right,

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and it's a pretty successful one. So I guess there's

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always this tension where you're trying to grow and move

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into new markets and you want to appeal to different

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sorts of people but still hold on to your market.

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sight of that in a way. I also think that

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it's dumb in the sense that New Yorkers probably if you,

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let's say, started opening these restaurants there, would like something

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that felt more authentic to them. I think people are

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always trying to appeal to groups of people by trying

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to be more like them, when maybe they're seeking out

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something different. Sometimes. I'm not a marketing guy. I don't

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sell anything except myself, but that's just how I feel. Anyway.

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It was a nice break from more serious topics, which

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we will get to now. Let's talk about Let's first

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talk about Intel and the stake that the government took

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in the company. A ten percent steak, just a significant stake.

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This is a huge concern you Intel. I guess i'd

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start with I don't like anything about it. I'll just

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preface all this by saying that, but I will start

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with the I. I think there's something seriously amiss when

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presidents can just unilaterally take a giant steak in an

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important company by again just unilaterally declaring that there's some

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sort of emergency, and now it will be leading this company,

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will this company will do what the president wants. I

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don't care if the president says he's not going to

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get involved. If he doesn't get involved, they're going to

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do what he thinks the president wants because now they're

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too big to fail. And I saw Howard Lutnick say

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that they're going to do more of this, which I

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think is terrible. And he says, if companies need help,

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we will take stakes in them, which is the opposite

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of what you should be doing. So what you're saying

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is if a company is not run well, if a

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company is not doing well, we're going to take a

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steak in it to compete up against companies that are

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doing it well. That is not the government's job, certainly

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not the federal government's job. Anyway. What'd you make of it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I largely agree with you. I for I should

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say I didn't love this news, but more from the

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angle that it's bad for the companies too, Like this

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involved in a big enterprise. It just usually doesn't go

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very well. Like Amtrak, right, It's not nobody goes like, oh,

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you know, what's a well run company Amtrak?

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Speaker 1: No, no one does. It's an antiquated way of traveling

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would be very expensive, but yeah, and tar just to

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few companies, but that was at least and I don't

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was legislatively done. You know, it was done to Congress,

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just unilaterally the presidency.

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Speaker 2: So there is this issue that's a that's a problem,

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and I don't I haven't really heard good ideas for

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how to deal with it. So when you look at

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economic adversaries or adversaries who affect the national security through

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economic means. One of the advantages that China has is

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that they've got sort of this best of both worlds

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system of central control with large markets, and it makes

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it very difficult for American companies to compete against when

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they when these Chinese companies have strong government interest and

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also access to the world's markets. It's whatever problems we

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much worse with China because of this issue. You know,

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the Soviet companies were really more just government run without

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strong emphasis on market response, and so it would be

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good to you know, it is hard and also after

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like decades of industrial policy not caring about that it

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is difficult to figure out how to make sure that

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American companies can fight against this. So I'm not like,

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like completely hostile to the idea of doing something. I

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just get nervous. Just like you just said. It's the

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market is a wonderful means by which to an unfettered

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market is a great means by which to allocate resources.

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And when the government is saying we've got your back,

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we've got your backstop, I don't love that. Now, I

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don't hate the idea of you know, like Alaska has

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a sovereign wealth fund, right, and that seems to actually

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work out all right for Alaska. When other countries have

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sovereign wealth funds where you're paying for government services through

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the profits from some jointly held asset, it's not always awful,

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and it's not always awful in a real world with

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like mixed economies. But I am extremely nervous. And what

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you pointed out with Howard Lutnik saying like this is

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the first of many makes me even more nervous because

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if you know, you can see the argument for chip

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makers being central to national security, well sort defense companies, right,

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So the more that we're involved with them you know,

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like you can see it quickly spiraling into a pretty

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bad situation with a lot of company, with the US

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having a stake in a lot of companies, and just

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moving toward, you know, sort of an embrace of socialism.

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Speaker 1: It's more in a sense facistic. And I don't mean

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to say that Donald Trump's a Nazi or anything, but yeah,

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I mean, top down control of economic control using the

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capitalistic means is more fascistic than socialistic. But I don't

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the chip thing is is the top the problem with

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are American companies. The thing isn't that we don't make chips,

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it's that where do we manufacture them. They're called fabs.

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It's very expensive to make them. Those are in South

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Korea and Taiwan, which are certainly not adversaries of the

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United States in any way. And so I think that

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the bill they passed under Biden Chips Act or whatever

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it was called, that gave and Tel like, first of all,

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we're picking a company that has been failing a lot,

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and I'm talking about a decade, So essentially we're betting

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on a company that hasn't been doing right. They lost

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I forgot how many billions of dollars over the last

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few years a ton. Essentially, it's a bailout. Everything's an

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emergency that Donald Trump doesn't like, and he you know,

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this chip thing, this chip thing is not an emergency.

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in China and it's hard to compete, but we do

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compete very well with them. And even now incidentally, Taiwan,

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and others have invested billions of dollars in America to

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build these fabs to make them here. This intel bailout

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stuff is just not necessary. That's just yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, it also reminds, you know, this sum is similar

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to the arrangement that people came up with for how

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to keep us involved in Ukraine for a long time

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to come, which was taking a stake in their mineral interests.

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It gets very complicated, and whenever the government is involved

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in this level of business, it almost certainly will lead

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to a massive amount of corruption.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is cronyism. You know, what do you

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think is going to happen when a Democrat becomes president.

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It will happen one day. I know. People don't think so.

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And they have a ten percent steak in Intel, and

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then they make them do DII programs, They unionize it

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even further, they tell them to do make everything green

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and double its cost. Once you have a ten percent

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steak in a company, you're never going to let it fail.

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Can I just do you see this cat? Molly? Do

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you see my cat? It is annoying the hell out

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of me. Get out of here. Go Sorry, I have

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a cat. I'm alone at my house and it is

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annoying me. So anyway, also think about this. There is

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no company you can tell me that as a major

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government steak that actually does a better job than a

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free market version of that company. There is just no

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I asked people to give me an example, and they

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can never do it. Oh that's what I want to say.

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have a stake in a company, Let's say JD. Vance

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as the next president. Right, it's a very populous guy.

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He is not you know, he's a skeptic of corporate

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power and all of that. Last year, Intel fired fifteen

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thousand employees because it's going to and it's going to

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cut another twenty thousand employees this year because it has

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to reinvent itself in a way. Do you think that

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the President of the United States, what is he going

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to say when a US has a stake in a

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company that's firing workers and automating is going to have

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fewer workers. It's just political interests and business interests should

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not be mixed. I'm against cronyism, I'm against corporatism, and

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the best way to do that is to get government

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out of the out of the business world, not further

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into it anyway. So that's my major complaint with that.

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Speaker 2: This is Molly Henningway encouraging you to listen to my

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to the unless you have anything else

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to say. I thought we were going to have more

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to say. I guess we're just we agree too much.

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Speaker 2: We'll figure out something else to fight over.

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Speaker 1: Let's fight over a flag burning. I think I know,

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we'll see. I think our gen X sensibility is probably

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align on this. But Donald Trump signed in an executive order.

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I wish I had the quota in front of me.

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He said something like, anyone who burns a flag now

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on is going to jail. Something very clear cut in

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that way. The executive order is not clear cut in

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that way at all. The burning of a flag as

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of now was found to be a constitutional expression of speech.

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Symbolism is speech. Scalia famously said, if it were up

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to me, I would put in jail every sandal wearing,

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scruffy bearded weirdo who burns an American flag. But I

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am not king. He was talking about Texas Versus v.

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Johnson nineteen eighty nine decision. Then I think it was

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upheld on a federal level with the US v. Iikman

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or something like that. I forget. Listen. I think most

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people agree, or good Americans agree, that burning the flag

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is despicable, but it is speech. And this executive order

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actually instructs Attorney General Pamboni to prosecute those who burn

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or descreate the American flag in ways that cause quote

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harm unrelated to expression, consistent with the First Amendment. So

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I think Donald Trump wants people to think that you

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can't burn the flag anymore because it's a good political issue, clearly,

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and also because the Left falls for this bait every

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single time, and they're going to go out there and

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defend this. They're going to go out of the flag

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burning and many progressives, in fact, one was just arrested

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in front of the White House, are going to burn flags.

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Speaker 2: So I, you know, having been a fan of Skille

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and all that, did not like the executive order when

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it came out, and then when I read it, I

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realized exactly what you just noted, which is there's nothing

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in there that's in contradiction to Supreme Court rulings. Also,

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I think people have over interpreted what the Supreme Court

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has said about flag burnings, and it's not as protected

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as people think. Frequently, including like it's pretty hard to

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burn a flag in public without being in violation of

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the law already, right, you're not allowed to go around

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burning things, and yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Can't burns on public public grounds. You can burn something

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in the middle of the street.

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Speaker 2: And there's not some special If you're a communist, you

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get to avoid responsibility because you're burning a flag kind

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of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was burning anything in a protest where

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there were a lot of people in a park or something,

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that would be illegal.

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Speaker 2: Also, and also frequently flag burners are are already like

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committing acts of theft when they're burning the flag. But

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to get back to the issue of whether this is

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constitutionally protected free speech, I do think that's an interesting

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question that it's worth revisiting. You know, what Rehnquist said

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about it, and when you look at the country and

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what happened as we entered decades of assault on the flag,

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the meaning of the country, the history of the country.

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I think there's a reason why societies have cared about

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symbols not being victims of mobs, and I think people

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are less should be less flippant about the destruction of

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these things than they have been in that genic sensibility

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that you just described, Like symbols are the means of carrying, well, sorry,

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the means of carrying meaning of what it means to

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be an American, of what it means to be part

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of a functioning society, and this individualistic emphasis that just

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doesn't care about that has not worked out very well

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for us. I remember when Colin Kaepernick was kneeling at

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the anthem because of how awful and racist the country

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supposedly is. You had a bunch of people coming out

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there and being like, well, he's it's a free country

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and you can do this. Data and more people should

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have spoken against. It's just not healthy. When that type

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of stuff is normalized, it allows the furtherance of what's

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already been happening in public education, which is to teach

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absolute hatred of the country, hatred animosity. Hatred of the

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country quickly leads to hatred of each other, obviously, and

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it's been so it's been so horrific. I mean, as

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a gen X kid, the eighties were pretty awesome with

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how much how patriotic everybody was. You know, it was

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not uncommon to see American flags everywhere and people being

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like America. Yeah, And that has become a controversial position

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in many parts of the country, in public schools in particular.

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And patriotism is love and love of those nearest to you,

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and the anti patriotic zeal of the left has been

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just objectively a horrific thing for the country. We might

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be able to get out of it, and I hope

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we can. But the highest expression of love is not

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burning a flag like I saw someone being like, the

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coolest thing about being an American is we can burn

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our own flag. No, that's not cool at all. It's awful.

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And no community that loves itself should even pretend for

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a minute that it's okay. There should be all sorts

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of means, you know, including shunning and public ridicule for

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people who do it.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, there's a lot there or to unpack.

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I think it's true what you're saying that let's just

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call it a libertarian worldview that says you can do

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something doesn't mean that you shouldn't say that it's wrong

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to do it, and I think that often happens. Libertarians

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often allow their their neutral view of principles to corrode

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their morality into excessive non judgmentalism. So, but on the

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other hand, we are losing our view of these neutral principles.

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I see a lot of people have changed their mind

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on this flag thing, and that's what bothers me. First

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of all, it's another example of the president just saying

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what you can do, what you can't do. It's not

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really his job.

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Speaker 2: It is. That's actually just not true. You already admitted

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that the EO just calls for the faithful execution of

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the laws they're on the books. That is literally the

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president's job. That's what it says in the Constitution. So

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there's nothing he did there. I mean, you can be

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upset at how it led to a like increased discussion

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of whether flag burning is okay or not, But he

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didn't actually do anything illegal there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he did something illegal, but not everything

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is that you do, even if it's legal as right

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as we just noted, for instance, when Obama would sign

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an EO on guns that didn't really do anything, but

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he was trying to make people believe that certain things

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could be change that couldn't be changed. Are certain things

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that what he wanted to do in the long run

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were constitutional when they weren't.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, you seem to care more about burning the flag

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than people such as the President of the United States

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speaking against burning the flag.

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Speaker 1: That's weird what they're speaking. No, it's not weird. It's

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not the president's business to dictate what speech I'm allowed

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to use or not use. I mean, he can have

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an opinion, but executive orders are more than simply an opinion.

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The president using his power in a way that Trump

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has been doing lately is actually pretty corrosive itself more

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important than some weirdo, scruffy weirdo burning a flag usually,

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which I think is amporrent. But the thing is, as

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far as speech goes with and I'm not exactly sure

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what you were getting at with the individual part of

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it and everything, but because it's a symbol and someone

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burns it, that makes it even more explicitly a matter

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of political speech. Person hates the cunt. He thinks that

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we shouldn't. You can't force people to be patriotic. And

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I think the problem is that people don't understand what

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this country is about anymore. They aren't taught it in

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school whatever. But I just don't understand where that goes.

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If the flag the only way to change this and

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give the flag special consideration, what did Renquist say? So

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it's something like the flag is not a point of

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view or an idea, right, It's like it's not in

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competition in a marketplace with other ideas. It's the thing

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that holds us together. Well, I mean people can disagree

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with that. So one past constitutional amendment protecting the flag

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from desecration, I will support it. I guess. Actually, I

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don't know if that's if I would, but you know,

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that's how you do it. That's the remedy. I felt

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like maybe Trump wants this about that.

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Speaker 2: There are two Supreme Court decisions on this. The first

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one relates to, you know, whether it's constitutionally protected. Well,

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they both relate to that issue. But after the Supreme

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Court ruled that it was no problem to burn the flag,

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Congress did pass legislation saying it was not allowed, and

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the Supreme Court overruled that as well. I saw Christopher Scalia,

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who I love, on Twitter saying that because Brennan, I

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think no, who was the There was some lefty who

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agreed that flagburning is not constitutional, and he was like,

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you should never agree with him. But I'm kind of

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more of the I don't know if you should disagree

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with Ranquist. Camp and Scalia had was just so great.

475
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It's so many things, including making originalism a publicly acceptable argument.

476
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It's also pretty extreme in a way. That might not

477
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have been in adherence, you know, ironically enough, with the

478
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,960
original meaning of the Constitution. I think it's very hard

479
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to argue that the founders would have found a law

480
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against flag burning constitutional or in compliance with the Constitution,

481
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,759
which really gets to the big issue, which is they

482
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didn't need to have laws against flag burning in the

483
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late eighteenth century because nobody would have thought to do

484
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something that is such an attack on the country. And

485
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,079
rather than this being fixed with laws, you really have

486
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,119
to fix it. And I mean not that laws don't

487
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,440
help this, but the hearts and minds of men need

488
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,000
to be radically reformed and we need to have a

489
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:29,039
greater love of country. Ironically enough, the person who got

490
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:33,319
me off of my own autistic libertarianism on this topic

491
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,920
was Charles Murray. He gave a speech at AI on

492
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:42,119
how worried he was about how fleeting patriotism was becoming.

493
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I don't remember when this was, like maybe twenty years ago,

494
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and it really got me thinking about how I myself

495
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,640
was being not as patriotic as I should be.

496
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how it's not patriotic to say that

497
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,079
we have the right to free speech on neutral grounds.

498
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:02,920
I think the founders would agreed. The thing. You know,

499
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every European state virtually bans desecration of the flag every

500
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you know, tons of Arab countries do and things like that,

501
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,799
because they placed the state over the individual, which is

502
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:15,920
the opposite of what we do here. I just don't

503
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think flag burning is that. In fact, you're probably going

504
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,000
to make it more popular now. I don't not that

505
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:24,680
you shouldn't do things only because of how or you know,

506
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,599
because people might react poorly. I just don't think it's

507
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:31,200
this pervasive problem. I think this was a political a

508
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000
political EO in the same way. And I don't think

509
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,559
this was wholly political. But Trump sends the National Guard

510
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,480
to DC completely within his perview, you know, and all that,

511
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,799
and immediately Democrats are on on TV and tell everyone

512
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:47,640
crime is not a problem, like they fall for it

513
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920
every single time. I think this was that. I don't.

514
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,359
It's not a ration of I mean, I'm not saying

515
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,519
that I saw flag burning in front of Union station

516
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,200
by pro Palestinians not long I think, last year, But

517
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,680
it's not an irregular occurrence that people are burning flags.

518
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,920
In fact, I think it was far worse than the sixties.

519
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,519
On college campuses where people not only burn flag but

520
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,720
raise the flag like they do now of Hama. So

521
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:16,039
the Vietcong we're killing American soldiers. So this idea that

522
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,839
this is, you know that this is some new anti

523
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,000
patriotic strain. I think people are probably more patriotic in

524
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,400
the late sixties and hippies or the outlier than today.

525
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,359
Is a different kind of problem, but it's not anything new.

526
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:32,079
Speaker 2: So I don't disagree. But there's also this thing about

527
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,279
when you have power, using it, And from in twenty

528
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,160
twenty we saw well, really twenty sixteen through twenty twenty,

529
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,920
we saw some rampant anti americanism. The Colin Kaepernick thing

530
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,960
that I mentioned. I think that was twenty sixteen or

531
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,519
twenty seventeen, right, yeah, and it became a huge ordeal,

532
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:57,400
so that you would have national sports teams with all

533
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,519
these like lily white soccer lesbian out there kneeling to

534
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,400
show how much they hated the country, and that kind

535
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,440
of public tolerance of rampant disrespect. Like it's one thing

536
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,920
if dirty, stupid hippies on Ivy League campuses in the

537
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000
sixties are doing it, that's not great, But that trickles

538
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:20,079
down and it gets to the point where you have

539
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,319
fourteen year old losers who haven't thought about anything, kneeling

540
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,799
to show that they're cool, just like Colin Kaepernick. And

541
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,599
it keeps going to the point that you have riots

542
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,119
that cause the most damage in the history of the

543
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,160
country in insurance claims like two billion dollars of damage

544
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,079
with tons of flag burning there. And at the time

545
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,839
that that was happening the summer of twenty twenty, Donald

546
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,440
Trump had no power to stop it. Tom Cotton suggested

547
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,319
bringing in the National Guard to restore order to Great

548
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,799
American cities, and it caused a meltdown at the New

549
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,480
York Times. We are in a different moment. I think

550
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,640
Trump is trying to take ground on this stuff so

551
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,160
that next time the Left is in charge, they actually

552
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,359
have rather than just saying, oh, well, we made it

553
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,200
through that there's nothing to be done. He's trying to like,

554
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,079
actually take some ground so that the next time Democrats

555
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,039
are in power and they want to destroy cities and

556
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,079
urinate on the flag and all that, they'll have to go.

557
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,839
They'll have to do it from a better position for

558
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,680
the country than if you just did nothing.

559
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Speaker 1: I don't think executive actions take much ground because they

560
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,240
can be overturned so easily. You take ground by passing legislation,

561
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:33,839
which we're going to the Supreme Court to do things,

562
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,039
I think most of the time. But I agree, I agree,

563
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,400
we have a huge patriots some problem in this country.

564
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,759
I think part of that problem and the corrosion of

565
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:47,839
patriotism happens when you don't care about the founding documents.

566
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:49,279
Like you have this guy on the New York Time

567
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,759
righting in New York Times and other you know elsewhere

568
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,279
from the New Republic saying we should get rid of

569
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,720
the Senate, get rid of the electoral all this stuff

570
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,599
that he wants to do, pack the court because he's

571
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,920
a consequentialist. He only cares is about getting what he wants,

572
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,000
not the process, not the principles. And I think that's

573
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:08,960
a huge problem. So you say, yeah, there's this thing

574
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,039
about using power. I want to use power that's legitimate,

575
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,360
but sometimes I feel like people want to use power

576
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,559
that's not exactly legitimate to try to save the country.

577
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,760
But what are you saving then? I mean, you know,

578
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,639
I just worry about that, and I've been worried about

579
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,719
it for a long time. And this is just a

580
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,480
small drop in that bucket, right. I mean, it's not

581
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:33,360
a huge issue, but worried about it.

582
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I worry about it too. And it's, you know,

583
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a reminder of the early understanding that the constitution really

584
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only works for a moral people. And then we've spent

585
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:48,880
many generations creating people who are not you know, not

586
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that anyone's ever moral. We're all sinful, but the quality

587
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:59,159
of the people is not great, and it's a problem

588
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:03,559
that needs to be fixed again with personal reform.

589
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,079
Speaker 1: It's funny that Scale actually made that argument one time.

590
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,000
He was talking about constitutions and how all of them.

591
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,559
The Soviet Constitution has a First Amendment in it, you know,

592
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,599
but if the people don't want to uphold it and

593
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,199
they don't value that principle, then and listen, I'll give

594
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:24,679
you an example. The religious freedom of the First Amendment

595
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,079
is you'll have leftists say, well, it's different now. You know,

596
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,239
there are all these bigots out there and they have

597
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,000
to be stopped, so we can't you know. So it's

598
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,719
like when you're religious, like you're the little sisters of

599
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,239
the poor, you have to ask permission from the government

600
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:44,360
not to pay for contraception. The government should be asking

601
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,679
you if you want to do it and you say no,

602
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,800
not the other way around. Like we've we've turned it

603
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,119
around where the state now is above the individual, which

604
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:53,840
is exactly what the co And when we talk about

605
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,239
individual rights, and you know, people on the kind of

606
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,679
some of the people on the new right don't like

607
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,440
the individualism of it either. It doesn't mean that you

608
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,360
can't form groups and you're not part of a community.

609
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,880
It means that you, your rights as a person, are

610
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,079
above that at the state. I don't know that should

611
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,639
not be offensive. Everyone should, everyone should celebrate that. That's

612
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what makes us unique. Literally, that is the idea that

613
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,559
makes us unique as far as our ideology goes.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Lisa Cook if you hadn't heard about

626
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,599
her before. She's a Federal Reserve governor. Seems to me

627
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,960
that when she was put on the board didn't really

628
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,119
belong there. Honestly, there were a lot of people critical

629
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:17,679
of that of her. Donald Trump fired her right through

630
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,679
an executive order the other day, and it sets up

631
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,119
a bunch of legal questions that are somewhat complicated.

632
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Speaker 2: So I'm super interested in Lisa Cook's alleged mortgage fraud.

633
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,599
That's very interesting to me. And I just want to

634
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,280
say briefly on this, we had Democrats run a tyrannical

635
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,400
law fair campaign to take out Trump and every other

636
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,599
Republican during the interregnum between the first Trump administration the

637
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,679
second Trump administration, and one of the means that they

638
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,960
used was a completely ridiculous claim of mortgage fraud based

639
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:03,559
on the idea that when Trump assessed the value of

640
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:07,519
mar A Lago, he didn't use like a very ridiculously

641
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:11,880
low number that he could have used, which nobody believes

642
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,000
that loan number, and this led to I think a

643
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:20,559
thirty four count indictment. I get all the cases confused sometimes,

644
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,480
but that was the thirty four count indictment I believe, or.

645
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: Was that a different one, I don't remember.

646
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: Maybe that was the campaign. Anyway, they secured a conviction

647
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of mortgage fraud with some absolutely acidine penalty, even though

648
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,599
the Niven.

649
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:39,039
Speaker 1: Appeal scorre to return that recently. The penalty I believe.

650
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Speaker 2: Would have sort of not The lending institution said they

651
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,320
had no problem with what Trump had done. He repaid

652
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,960
the loan with interest in a manner that pleased him,

653
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,079
pleased them, and they said they would be happy to

654
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,719
loan money to him once more. It never should have

655
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,239
been brought to court. And it turns out that some

656
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,920
of the Democrats who led this or cheered this on

657
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,519
are them committing actual mortgage fraud, such as falsely alleging

658
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,880
that multiple residences are their primary residents that are not

659
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:12,000
at all failing to report income. When you're a Federal

660
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,039
Reserve board member and you're doing this, it's very bad.

661
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,280
Separate from that, I'm interested in this case because on

662
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,079
that short list or not so short list of worst

663
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,880
Supreme Court decisions there has to be. There's that one

664
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:31,760
for Humphrey's Executor. And Humphrey was a guy who was

665
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,960
fired by Roosevelt from the Federal Trade Commission. And Humphrey

666
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,440
alleged that Roosevelt didn't have the authority to hire or

667
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,920
fire or fire from the Federal Trade Commission because it

668
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,679
was a quasi legislative body. And so it goes to

669
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the Supreme Court. But he dies in the time it

670
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,239
takes for it to go to the Supreme Court. And

671
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that's why it's not called Humphreys but Humphrey's Executor, because

672
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it's about whether he was owed the pay before he died.

673
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And a lot of people view this as the case

674
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,639
that leads to the true launch of the administrative state,

675
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,800
this idea that there's a permanent bureaucracy that is not

676
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:18,400
accountable according to normal constitutional means, and that if Congress

677
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,800
says it's setting something up as a quasi legislative agency,

678
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,800
that it is not really in the executive branch, but

679
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,440
also not really in the legislative branch. It's horribly muddled thinking.

680
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,400
It has led to many catastrophes in terms of lack

681
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of a constitutional accountability for these so called independent agencies

682
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and the question of whether there really can be an

683
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independent agency in a constitutional form of government such as ours.

684
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So I'm just hoping that as it works its way

685
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through the court, it does so in a way that

686
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enables some of these questions to be assessed and hopefully

687
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have this really awful worst era of the court kind

688
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of or one of the world or stairs are the

689
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:04,119
court decisions overturned after nearly one hundred years?

690
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Humphrey's Executor seems to be a very

691
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:13,159
poorly decided decision. We have an executive branch, the president

692
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,400
runs it. Just because you've created some new entity doesn't

693
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:23,320
change the constitutional order, right. But I don't think this

694
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,000
is this has anything to do with Humphries executor because

695
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,519
he used a Federal Reserve Act, which says that he

696
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:36,440
can fire he can fire people from these FTC or

697
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,599
whatever or these quasi independent agencies for cause. And that's

698
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:43,880
why I think he used the word for cause. I

699
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,400
think isn't the debate over whether and his you know,

700
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,760
own administration is making a claim but it's unproven. Is

701
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,519
that enough cause? Like what does for cause mean? It

702
00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:00,880
seems to me that for cause can be in this.

703
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,920
I mean it can mean anything, right the president. I

704
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mean any kind of action or accusation, even that puts

705
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,920
there are a governorship in bad light, a governor in

706
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,840
bad light. I mean, I don't know.

707
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Speaker 2: I'm not layoffs versus firing. If you're not fired for cause,

708
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,199
that just means you're downsizing. You can't really downsize the

709
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:28,039
the board of the FED. But you can't fire for

710
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,519
a reason. Whether this is a reason that's allowed by

711
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the law, yeah, sure that can be discussed. But ultimately

712
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,039
I still think it's just an interesting question of who

713
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,320
has the authority here.

714
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,679
Speaker 1: This reminds me again of something where there are things

715
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,119
you can do, but maybe you shouldn't do so. I

716
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:51,000
don't think that the FTC or NLRB, Actually the NLRB

717
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:56,159
shouldn't exist at all, but the FED. I think presidents

718
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:59,559
should respect the fed's independence for the good of the

719
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,760
co mean country. But that doesn't mean that he has

720
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,719
no right to fire a governor if he wants. And

721
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,440
it seems to me at least that this person wasn't

722
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:16,599
very wasn't particularly qualified for this job to begin with,

723
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,360
and has done stuff that is shady that he should

724
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,000
be able to farm. I don't know the law will see.

725
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: So I actually want to cut back to what you're

726
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,920
saying about the alleged independence of the FED and how

727
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,880
that's good for the country. I mean, the big debates

728
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,079
that you're seeing about control of the FED right now

729
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:37,800
is that they're making decisions with broad economic impact for

730
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:47,000
political reasons. So for instance, cutting rates right before the election,

731
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,840
the twenty twenty four election to kind of help out

732
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,599
the Democrats, they're not doing it when a lot of

733
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,880
truly independent economists thought that that should be done to

734
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,079
help the economy the course of the last year. What

735
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,159
does it mean to be independent? Independent from whom? And

736
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,320
what again? In a constitutional republic, what right do the

737
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:17,599
American people have to control this board that can affect

738
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,519
so much about the health of the economy and people's savings.

739
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:26,880
And are you literally saying that they're independent from accountability

740
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,280
to the American people? Because the way you have accountability

741
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,079
is if the president controls that board, he doesn't, you

742
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,599
just don't have accountability.

743
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,559
Speaker 1: What's the means of I don't think legally they have

744
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,719
much independence, but I think they should have independence from

745
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,440
the board. I don't believe that the act in a

746
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,360
explicitly part is in manner. Really, I'm not sure that

747
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,800
their part isn't at all. I've actually think the FED

748
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,800
is done a decent job. The the the inflation. So

749
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,360
they have they're two. They have two issues they deal with.

750
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,800
Maybe they should only have one, but one is to

751
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,159
keep been inflation lower or healthy and to try to

752
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:09,360
reach maximum employment. Maybe those two things sometimes are in conflict.

753
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,079
I don't know, but I guess I don't see any

754
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,599
explicit partis in actions from the FED, despite what people say,

755
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,760
at least just my opinion, and I think that for

756
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,440
the market place and for the Americans, they are the

757
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,480
idea of a FED that is constantly being that the president,

758
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,239
who is a far more who is up for reelection

759
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,920
often not this president probably, but as a far more

760
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:38,440
has far more incentive to act in a part as

761
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,679
a manner than the FED, which where they have fourteen

762
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,719
year terms or whatever it is. So I don't know,

763
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,639
I mean, I don't know what the question means. Does

764
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,960
the FED board know better than a bunch of politicians

765
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,239
who are driven by political concerns? I think so for

766
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,920
the most part, you.

767
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: Are making the Roosevelt in argument for a massive bureaucracy

768
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
run by supposed experts over accountability of the people.

769
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I don't the accountability of the

770
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,519
people part happens during elections. If you don't like what's going.

771
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 2: On the FED, it doesn't mean anything. If the people

772
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,679
you put into power can't fire someone, it literally doesn't

773
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,239
mean anything. But the accountability, how does that even make sense?

774
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,400
You're saying these people cannot be fired by the present.

775
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,119
Speaker 1: You can fire them for cause if there's really something

776
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,159
there that they've done wrong, not because you think their

777
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:31,960
part is in I mean you could fire them maybe

778
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,360
for whatever reason, cause because I don't what why would

779
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:36,679
that not.

780
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: Be a good cause? If you're manipulating the economy for

781
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,320
political ends, why would that not be a good reason

782
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,039
to fire someone.

783
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,039
Speaker 1: It would be a good reason. But like I said,

784
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,800
I don't think that's happening. I just think that politicians

785
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,280
want the FED to do things to help them in

786
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:56,440
the short term, where the FED things in longer term ways. Listen,

787
00:46:56,519 --> 00:47:00,519
I think this is I am. I am not like

788
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,199
pro democracy, you know, I don't think that people.

789
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: Have to know pro constitution.

790
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, pro constitutions, So the FED doesn't own one in.

791
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: The Constitution is that there aren't lords over the people

792
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,840
who you can't fire through elections.

793
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are. There's an entire branch of lords that

794
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,599
can't be fired through elections called the Supreme Court. I mean,

795
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,760
I don't think that the I do not think in

796
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,960
the executive branch.

797
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: In the executive branch.

798
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like I said, there are things you can do,

799
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,760
but you shouldn't do. I just think that the market

800
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,199
likes it if the FED is largely independent, because they

801
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,880
make decisions about the economy that are detached from immediate,

802
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:43,639
short term political goals. That's all I'm saying. So, I mean,

803
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:47,440
what would you So should he just Donald Trump just

804
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,440
fire everyone who doesn't do what he wants on the FED?

805
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Do you think that would be good for the country.

806
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,519
Do you think he should fire, you know, the whole

807
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:56,920
board and put his own pronies in there.

808
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably, I think that would be so. Then when

809
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:08,960
for presidents who are elected two have complete oversight over

810
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,480
the agencies.

811
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean that goes both ways.

812
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, That's why the next.

813
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:19,639
Speaker 1: Barack Obama whatever, he's going to fire the board every

814
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:20,880
instead of I just don't.

815
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: Believe in permanent I don't believe in permanent lawmaking agencies

816
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:27,840
at all.

817
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,639
Speaker 1: The lawmaker is that a lawmakers.

818
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,519
Speaker 2: That's the argument for why they're independent, is that they're

819
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:38,559
quasi legislative. I mean, it's the problem with the administrative state.

820
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:42,039
It's sort of it's sort of parts of every branch.

821
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:45,920
It's permanent, it's untouchable. It has been made untouchable through

822
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,039
bad Supreme Court decisions, and it has led to this

823
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:56,039
massive government that rights laws, enforces the laws, you know,

824
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,760
administers the laws like it's everything, that's the whole. It's

825
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,880
like with the Obamacare thing you were just talking about,

826
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,960
with whether nuns should have to pay for abortions for

827
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:13,760
their employees, it's because Obamacare delegated part of the legislative,

828
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,320
the lawmaking to the agencies, and then allowed them to

829
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,679
enforce it. They were everything. And I just don't think

830
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,599
that's constitutional at all. I mean, we're pretty far down

831
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,559
this road, so it's hard to unravel, but we should.

832
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,079
Speaker 1: Well, Obamacare was a law that was passed and had

833
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:30,960
certain mandates in it, and that one of the mandates

834
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,079
that was upheld by the Constitution. The Supreme Court essentially

835
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:36,719
was that they could do this to the little sisters

836
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,239
of the poor. So that's the people acting because they

837
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,679
elected that Congress, they elected that president. So I think

838
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:46,960
that's different. I'm with you. I want to get rid

839
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,760
of most agencies. I don't think the FED is one

840
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,559
that we should get rid of because someone has to

841
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:57,039
deal with interest rates in this way, and I don't trust.

842
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,320
I just don't want Joe Biden or Donald Trump to

843
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,320
do it that.

844
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: There have been multiple Supreme Court decisions affecting the Little

845
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,400
Sisters of the Poor, which is a religious order that

846
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,559
cares for poor older people, and they have actually I

847
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:11,320
think one.

848
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,039
Speaker 1: All of those, they've won two and now they're in

849
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:18,079
court again for a third because that the court ruled

850
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,199
that the federal government had no right to do this.

851
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,880
But now you have states Pennsylvania and New Jerseys suing

852
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:30,480
the nuns to buy essentially abortion drugs. Is I think that.

853
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,679
I mean, obviously contraception is part of it as well,

854
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:38,559
but abortion drugs also. I don't know. I guess like

855
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,599
every time you have a president coming in, and every

856
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:44,039
time he comes in, he's going to just get rid

857
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:48,239
of every you know, replace everyone in every agency. I

858
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,880
don't think that's great for the country. There has to

859
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,360
be some sort of stability going from administration to administration.

860
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,159
But I agree with you that the administrative state is

861
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:58,280
too powerful. I just don't know that the Fed's place

862
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,880
to start to dismantle it. Like what is Donald Trump

863
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,880
doing to dismantle other agencies? The Labor Board? Why doesn't

864
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,440
he go after I guess he has he fired someone

865
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,719
there as well, But I think there's plenty of places

866
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,639
to go before the FED.

867
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's actually already won some of these issues with

868
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,519
other boards in a way that is setting up again

869
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:23,840
a potential overturn of Humphrey's executor. But it's all been

870
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,960
sort of limited and it's kind of depending on how

871
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,239
you interpret what's going on. But this is certainly not

872
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,079
the first board where he has let someone go.

873
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,159
Speaker 1: Well, And also, just I just said that, I don't

874
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,760
think that this concerns Humphrey's executor, but I am not

875
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,920
a lawyer, so someone may correct me.

876
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,519
Speaker 2: It very well could have nothing to do with that,

877
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,840
but it also it just depends on how it works

878
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,119
its way through through the courts, and it will be Yeah.

879
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: I want to quickly say something on Lawfair that I

880
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,159
thought of when you were speaking about Donald Trump and

881
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,880
what's going on. Now, I obviously think that lawfair is

882
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:04,639
corrupt when you're using power just to sort of focus

883
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:08,480
on your political enemies. But that does not that does

884
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:11,559
not mean that the things you find aren't real. Right. Sometimes,

885
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:19,360
so if Adam Schiff, Letitia James, Robin Cook broke the law,

886
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:21,920
no one is above the law, right, I mean, they

887
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,400
should pay the price. I don't think administrations obviously they're

888
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,159
going down the list of all their political enemies right

889
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,280
now to see if they did this, if they had, I.

890
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: Don't know if that's obvious.

891
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,519
Speaker 1: No, I mean it seems like why what would precipitate

892
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,519
them looking at the people that they have found have

893
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:42,679
have cheated on their mortgages.

894
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that they haven't. I just don't

895
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,840
know if we have reason. I don't know. If I

896
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,639
don't know if we can say that they are doing that.

897
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:55,400
It could just be that, for instance, let's say you

898
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,039
go into office and the people who are in charge

899
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:04,480
of investigating mortgage fraud say, by the way, we had

900
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:07,239
the goods on Latitia James, but my supervisor said I

901
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,079
couldn't proceed with this, and they go, okay, you can proceed,

902
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:13,480
you know, like you don't know exactly how it's laying out,

903
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,079
or if they're going, OK, I'm going to give you

904
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:16,599
a list of people and you're going to find something

905
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:18,519
on them. And I think this is a good segue

906
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,920
to talk about the John Bolton situation because I saw

907
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:26,559
everybody saying this is vengeance against John Bolton, and I

908
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:32,360
am withholding opinion on that issue until I literally find

909
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,280
out what they rated his home over, right, Like, I

910
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,199
don't know anything about the case against him other than

911
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,280
the case that was brought during the first Trump administration,

912
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,760
and I know that a judge in that case. So

913
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,239
the first Trump administration was doing an investigation of him

914
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,280
over his sharing of classified information in an anti Trump

915
00:53:56,519 --> 00:54:01,199
memoir that he wrote, but he ended up kind of

916
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,000
winning the day on that. But I think people should

917
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,840
go back and read what the judge said about it.

918
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,800
So the issue was that the Trump administration was trying

919
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,360
to get his book pulped because it shared classified information

920
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,480
that he should not have shared. And the judge said,

921
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,960
you are right that he did that, but it's too

922
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,480
late to pulp the book, like it's already out there.

923
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,360
All the information is out there. This is not like

924
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,159
a proper remedy for it, So I don't know if

925
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:31,480
the investigation is related to that, or if that's like

926
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:33,840
a settled issue, or if it's something else. There has

927
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,519
been a lot of chatter about him being kind of

928
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,920
brazen in some of his foreign work that might have

929
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:44,760
caused legal problems, so it could be related to that,

930
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,079
and everyone's like, this is vengeance for John Bolton, and

931
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,119
it's like could be or it could be that he

932
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,519
broke the law and they don't see a reason to

933
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,599
look the other way. I don't know.

934
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't know either. Obviously, here's a theory. I have

935
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,360
a working theory if it was vengeance. It seems like

936
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,400
a guy to go after when you want to prove

937
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,519
a point that you can go after people on the

938
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,800
left without actually going after someone they actually care about

939
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,039
very much. It's not like Democrats care about John Bolton.

940
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,039
If you really wanted to nail someone and you go

941
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,800
after Adam Schiff, Right, he's a guy who clearly leak

942
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,159
things for instance, or you know.

943
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,599
Speaker 2: I mean admitted mortgage fraud.

944
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: We now know, yeah, we now know, but that's I mean,

945
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:35,559
I mean something serious as far as classified information goes.

946
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,440
John Bolton's the kind of guy you go after where

947
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,760
Democrats will say it's vengeance and fascism's coming and all that,

948
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,920
But do they really care about John Bolton. I don't

949
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,639
think so. I think they dislike John Bolton on that.

950
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: Remember during the first Trump administration when someone shot video

951
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:57,719
of him just like casually walking the streets of Cutter alone.

952
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:03,440
This I actually do, and everyone's like, what's he doing there?

953
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,840
It was very weird. But I think there's I think

954
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,920
there might be a lot there, so we'll have to

955
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,199
wait and find out. But I do also think that

956
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,800
the way to stop law fair is not to do

957
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,880
that thing where you go, Okay, you failed to imprison me,

958
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,679
bankrupt me, and destroy my life in the life of

959
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,400
every member of my family. We're just gonna let bygones

960
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,000
be bygones now. And I mean the proof of that

961
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:32,719
too is in the first Trump administration. Trump comes to

962
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,920
office promising Americans he will hold Hillary Clinton accountable for

963
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,519
her crimes, and within days after his election he's like,

964
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,079
I think we should all let these things go, like,

965
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,639
you know, let's just like move on. He kind of

966
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,679
does his end of the bargain of moving on not

967
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,360
being vindictive, and they're like, oh, by the way, we're

968
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,800
going to coop you with the Russia collusion hoax, and

969
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,239
we're going to destroy your first term in office. Then

970
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,119
when you get out of office, we're going to try

971
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:01,679
to murder every single Republican and metaphorically or in some

972
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,880
cases literally, and then if you beat us, we would

973
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,800
ask you to please return to your twenty sixteen twenty

974
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,559
seventeen posture of letting bygones be bygones. It clearly doesn't work,

975
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:16,159
so you have to make people hurt to make them stop.

976
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:19,000
It's that I've said it before, the Clarence Thomas thing

977
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,440
about how do you get a dog to stop eating

978
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:25,159
chickens on the farm. You take one of the dead

979
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:28,000
chickens that he's killed, and you wrap it around his

980
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:31,360
neck and you let it rot for days, and all

981
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,360
of a sudden he loses his taste for dead chicken. Right.

982
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: Very graphic it is.

983
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,239
Speaker 2: And you can't say to people who have broken every

984
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,800
norm and have tried to destroy the country through their hatred,

985
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,320
would you please stop. We know you didn't do it

986
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,239
the last twenty times we asked, but would you please

987
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:55,280
stop like you actually have to show you absolutely must

988
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,599
show them that you could do it. Yourself. It's the

989
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:01,639
mutually assured destruction strategy. But it works for a reason. Okay,

990
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,239
I think if you don't, if you want to say more,

991
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,000
please do. But I want to move to culture because

992
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:07,880
I've got a lot of stuff.

993
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, you got a lot of stuff exciting. What

994
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:10,559
do we got?

995
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:11,559
Speaker 2: Oh?

996
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: Wait?

997
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: I said that, and now I'm like, wait, what did

998
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,840
I watch? I actually tried to write it down some

999
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,159
of it. Okay, So first thing is, last week we

1000
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,239
watched a family movie and Mark introduced it as being

1001
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,920
done by the same guy who did F one and

1002
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,519
Top Gun Maverick. So we're expecting like an F one,

1003
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:35,840
Top Gun Maverick kind of movie. And it's called Only

1004
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,840
the Brave and it's about firefighters. It's about this team

1005
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,719
of firefighters that want to become what do it come like,

1006
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:45,800
Hot Force or I don't know. There's like some name

1007
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,960
for like the Elite Firefighting Crew and they're in Arizona

1008
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,719
and it's kind of a group of misfits and they

1009
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:54,920
all have interesting stories and we're just they're fighting fires

1010
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,840
and they become the Elite Firefighting Crew and everything's great

1011
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,239
and then they all.

1012
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,159
Speaker 1: Die really and I was like, wait, spoiler well.

1013
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's an old movie. I should speak.

1014
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,519
Speaker 1: Enough to live with that. I'm not cutting it out.

1015
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:18,119
I don't you saved me. I don't like movies like that.

1016
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:20,280
So yeah, it's.

1017
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: Based on a true story. And the kids now we're

1018
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,000
just like, what have you done to us? Like it

1019
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:30,800
was so shocking and horrible and true, and it was

1020
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,840
you know, I would say, it's a good movie, but

1021
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,480
just you might read up on the real story before

1022
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,000
you watch it.

1023
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:42,239
Speaker 1: So that you're not shot only the brave, only the dead.

1024
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,519
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a good story about heroism,

1025
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:49,599
but may okay, okay, should I keep going?

1026
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:50,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? Please?

1027
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: Then I watched the Devo documentary that you recommize.

1028
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this, yeah.

1029
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: And I want to say I have this problem already

1030
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,840
with documentary, which is they always make me hate the

1031
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,840
thing that the documentaries designed.

1032
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: To It's literally what I wrote down on my notes.

1033
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,199
This documentary made me hate Divo, which I used to

1034
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,000
who I used to like, just hearing their dumb opinions,

1035
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,840
the way they look down at everyone.

1036
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:18,559
Speaker 2: They never grew ye like they're in mode age twenty

1037
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,239
and they just never developed beyond it, like.

1038
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:28,079
Speaker 1: They their whole shtick, right, is that everyone is dumb

1039
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:32,480
and is easily brainwashed by religion and you know, and

1040
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,079
politics and all of this. But they didn't sound very

1041
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:38,480
bright to me at all, or anyone or they didn't

1042
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:40,559
sound like people who actually thought about the world in

1043
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:45,360
a serious way, learning about their music and where the

1044
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,159
inspirations came from and everything. Made me dislike it a lot.

1045
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,920
I thought it was silly, but it was actually trying

1046
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,199
to you know, it's satirical. I guess if it's true,

1047
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,639
unless this is like retroactively giving it meaning, though I

1048
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:04,000
don't think it was. From what I saw, very stupid people,

1049
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:09,599
very ridiculous, bigoted people, right, I mean that's what I

1050
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:13,400
walked away with. I disliked them, the two main people,

1051
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,559
quite a bit afterwards, and I don't know that can

1052
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:23,599
listen to It's EVO the same way again. Anyway, I'm

1053
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:25,880
happy that you watched it and agree with me. It

1054
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,679
was hard for me to finish. I gotta be honest

1055
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:31,199
with you. But like most documentaries, which I kind of

1056
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,760
find interesting with these music documentaries, it didn't happen with

1057
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,480
the Billy Joel one I once recently, but often they

1058
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,920
will just spend a ton of time on the formation

1059
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,159
of the band, the childhood, all that, and then they'll

1060
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,000
whip through like twenty years you know, of albums or

1061
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:49,639
whatever in like five minutes. And I'm actually interested in

1062
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:53,760
how the bands fall apart, how they become you know,

1063
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,639
they lose their creative mojo or whatever, And you don't

1064
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:00,199
really get a lot of that in these in these

1065
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,920
rock documentaries. He didn't with Devo.

1066
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: There was no challenge even of the hypocrisy of this

1067
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:11,039
anti capitalist band thriving under capitalism and even desiring to

1068
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:13,960
thrive under capitalism. Sorry, I'm still stuck on my deta.

1069
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,079
Speaker 1: They're like, we didn't care about money. You didn't care

1070
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,239
about money? Wy'd you sign with a major label? Like

1071
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,079
if you didn't care about money, why did you keep

1072
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:22,519
putting albums out and touring like only you only cared

1073
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,039
about the art? Why did you make more commercial albums

1074
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,119
and try to have hits as you got.

1075
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:32,159
Speaker 2: You be true to your stupid beliefs. There, buddies, Okay,

1076
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:34,360
I have more, but do you want to go?

1077
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: I just had one thing, so I throw it in

1078
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,960
real quick. I had watched parts of this show, but

1079
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:44,760
never just beginning to end, and I think it's so

1080
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:48,840
well made mind Hunter mind Hunters Have you ever seen it?

1081
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,519
It's about the first group of It's done by David

1082
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,599
Fincher and a bunch of really good directors, so it

1083
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:57,920
has a very like high quality television show as far

1084
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,639
as the look of it. It's about the first FBI

1085
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:08,000
agents who like formed this like the Behavioral Science Department

1086
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:11,199
and like went after serial killers and had profiling and

1087
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:14,840
all of that. And there's a at Kempner I think

1088
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,480
was his name, or Kimper I forget. He was a

1089
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:19,239
big murderer. He's the actor who plays Hims. Fantastic. They

1090
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:20,880
have David Berkle, wh it's like all these things in

1091
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,480
the seventies and eighties, and they interviewed these guys while

1092
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:28,559
trying to use what they learned to find newer ones.

1093
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:35,920
And really good show very dark. So it's actually very dark,

1094
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,000
and it kind of have stuck with me a bit,

1095
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,039
like maybe I should watchings like this, But if that

1096
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:42,679
interests you, it's a pretty good show.

1097
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:47,199
Speaker 2: Well that kind of reminds me of this book that

1098
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,440
we were listening to. Mark and I had a long

1099
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:53,800
drive this weekend and so we listened to hours of

1100
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,400
a book that he's listening to when he works out

1101
01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:59,880
called I think his public enemies. And it's about that

1102
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:04,000
period in the thirties when John Dillinger and the Barker Crew,

1103
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:09,440
Clanya and Bonnie and Clyde are all engaging in their

1104
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,199
bank robberies and acts of crime, and how it leads

1105
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:17,400
to the development of the FBI, and how the were

1106
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,119
the Texas Rangers, how they you know, how they are

1107
01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:22,920
involved in the whole thing. And it's really interesting as

1108
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,440
a story of public criminals. But it's also interesting to

1109
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,199
see that the FBI was always kind of idiotic in

1110
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,239
how they accomplished some of their goals.

1111
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it was run by one speaking of speaking

1112
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,880
of an agency run by one guy as a dictatorship.

1113
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,920
That's that's that's for sure. And it was interesting. I

1114
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,800
love that period in the sense of the FBI being

1115
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,360
formed because you had these you know, Bonnie and Clyde

1116
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,119
or whoever, who would commit a bank rubber and they

1117
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,119
just go over state lines and the shriff from the

1118
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:51,360
other state couldn't follow them, you know what I mean.

1119
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:54,199
It was very interesting that you could commit these interstate

1120
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,320
crimes and get away with it so easily. So, I

1121
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,400
mean the FBI was needed on some level, right, But but.

1122
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: Like when they're really on the tail of Dillinger and

1123
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:11,719
they figure out that he's in this one in you know,

1124
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,920
in Wisconsin or something like that, and they go to

1125
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,760
surround him and they end up just killing a bunch

1126
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:21,480
of innocent people, losing an agent and not getting Dillinger,

1127
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:25,119
and then there's a public outcry over it, and Jay

1128
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,719
Edgar Hoover sounded like word for word like Christopher Ray.

1129
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,360
He's like, my guys did a great job. I see

1130
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,840
no problem with anything we've done. I think that these

1131
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,320
are people of exceptional I'm a paulled that anyone would

1132
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,000
even complain. And I'm like, oh my gosh, they're all

1133
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:43,480
like this. All FBI directors just lie about how awful,

1134
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:45,079
you know, various FBI actions.

1135
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the opening scene in Team America.

1136
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,119
Do you remember that movie yet? Where they destroyed, they

1137
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:58,199
destroy they destroy all of Paris, chasing this terrorist, these terrorists,

1138
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:01,280
and then the eightful Tower falls down everything and they're like,

1139
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:06,719
you're welcome. The one thing about that book and the

1140
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,880
people involved is how we romanticize all these kind of

1141
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,599
like out They were a little more like the twentieth

1142
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:14,840
century out outlaws of the Old West kind of reminds

1143
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,880
me of And when I was writing my book on guns,

1144
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:20,719
I realized just really looking into the outlaw culture and stuff,

1145
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:24,960
which is way overstated, right, Like, there wasn't as much

1146
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:28,360
criminality as you think, including there wasn't as much in

1147
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:33,199
the thirties. Actually it was just a few. But these

1148
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:35,920
people were psychopaths and they were serial killers. They were

1149
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,960
not like that we romanticize. People were truly just the

1150
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,800
worst scum you could imagine. And anyway, that's all I

1151
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,639
have to say in that.

1152
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,039
Speaker 2: So that is true. But I will say it did

1153
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:51,800
kind of make me feel differently about the Luigi Mangioni stuff,

1154
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,320
Like when you realize there's always been this aspect of

1155
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,480
humanity that cheers for really bad guys. Maybe they weren't

1156
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:05,320
cheering on any killings that happened by these public criminals.

1157
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:08,280
They were cheering on the bank robberies.

1158
01:07:08,719 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: The view it is there's always going to be an

1159
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:16,960
element of romanticism when it comes to anti heroes and outlaws,

1160
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,239
in that they were populist heroes who wouldn't steal from

1161
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:23,639
the working man and only take from the rich. And

1162
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:26,480
from big banks and so on, but none of that's

1163
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,519
actually true. They were hard in criminals and murderers who

1164
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:35,679
can care less about civilians dying or you know, stealing

1165
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:38,679
from them. So but anyway, so yeah, the book. It's

1166
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:40,960
a good book, right Brian Burrows made I forgot who

1167
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:41,840
wrote it, So I.

1168
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,039
Speaker 2: Don't love the reader of the or like there's a mismatch.

1169
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:47,239
The reader's fine, but I just feel like you can

1170
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,079
tell he didn't write it.

1171
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,119
Speaker 1: Maybe for me that's a big Sometimes I love a book,

1172
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:55,280
but the reader's just not right, and it's very difficult

1173
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,400
for me to listen to. When I got to choose

1174
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,880
the readers for my book, you know, I really listened

1175
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,800
to you know, I didn't have tons of choices, but

1176
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,920
the person I picked I thought was really good.

1177
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: For my two books, Kerrie and I read. I wrote

1178
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,559
the first book with Carrie Savarino, and so she and

1179
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:14,760
I just alternated chapters and I loved it. She's in

1180
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,680
addition to all of her other expertise, she's like a linguist.

1181
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,239
Speaker 1: I have a voice for writing. So they didn't let

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01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:20,640
me do it.

1183
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was really fun process. And then for

1184
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,279
the second one, it was during COVID, and they didn't

1185
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,079
even give me an option. They just had someone read it.

1186
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:30,760
And I think it was maybe a similar situation to

1187
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,560
what I'm talking about. I never heard it, but I

1188
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,560
got a lot of feedback on it. And then for

1189
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,680
this next book, I don't think i'll have a choice either,

1190
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:44,039
and I really wouldn't mind reading it. I think, yeah

1191
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,720
you should if you can let you. You know, the

1192
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,359
man won't let you. Okay. So then I have I

1193
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:55,359
have two excellent movies to talk about. I had never

1194
01:08:55,399 --> 01:09:00,760
seen Happy Gilmore, okay, and so I saw it, and

1195
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,199
I have to say, that's an excellent movie.

1196
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought the same thing in nineteen ninety six

1197
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:08,960
when I saw it first, Yeah.

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01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: Right when it came out. Yeah, I've never seen it,

1199
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,399
and I really enjoyed it. And the woman who plays

1200
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,680
his girlfriend in it is the woman who's in Modern Family.

1201
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: Forget sure she looks I mean you could tell her,

1202
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,720
but she she looks different.

1203
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, yeah, but she still looks like she

1204
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:33,319
looks you know, Hollywood Young for whatever potions and magic.

1205
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: It's got Apollo Creed in that movie. Isn't Ben Stiller

1206
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,239
in that? I always confuse Happy Wait, Happy Gilmour with

1207
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:40,119
Billy Madison.

1208
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:45,159
Speaker 2: Apollo Creed is not in that movie. No, I mean,

1209
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,359
what role do you think he plays?

1210
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,039
Speaker 1: Doesn't that have the guy with the hand with the

1211
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:50,840
prosthetic hand.

1212
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,279
Speaker 2: That is definitely not Apollo Creed.

1213
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it is. It's Carl Weather's so that's

1214
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:03,359
Apollo Creed. Oh, I don't what do you think I

1215
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:04,159
was talking about.

1216
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't know who Apollo Creed is, but it's not

1217
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:07,640
Apollo Creed.

1218
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: I have to ask you because just with knowing our

1219
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,680
history with the Godfather in this movie, I just have

1220
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,119
to ask, have you ever seen Rocky Okay?

1221
01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, forgive me, but I thought he was fantastic

1222
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:24,239
in this too.

1223
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good movie. I'm happy you saw it.

1224
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:34,079
Speaker 2: A really stupid, stupid movie, very stupid.

1225
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:36,199
Speaker 1: And Ben Stillers in this one, right, isn't he at

1226
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:37,439
the Nursing Home or whatever?

1227
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,520
Speaker 2: It's great? Okay? And then on the other of the

1228
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:47,079
spectrum is a movie that I would highly recommend called

1229
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:52,239
The Ballad of Wallace Island. Have you heard of it?

1230
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:53,079
Speaker 1: No?

1231
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it just came out this year. It's

1232
01:10:58,039 --> 01:11:08,239
definitely I thought it was hilarious and great it's the

1233
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:10,880
people who wrote it, I think staring it, Tim Key

1234
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:16,560
and Tom Basden. It's Steve Coogan was one of the producers.

1235
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,319
And it kind of reminds me of like a Cougan

1236
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,479
style film. So it's about this guy who brings in

1237
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:27,319
his favorite musical artist to his remote island that doesn't

1238
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:29,720
even have a harbor, like you just kind of row

1239
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:34,199
up to it in Wales or whatever. And he brings

1240
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:37,960
him there for a concert and he's paying him half

1241
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:42,439
a million dollars for this, and it's just a one

1242
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,960
night gig. And when the guy arrives, he realizes the

1243
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,920
gig is just that guy, like the there's going to

1244
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,520
be an audience of one and he's staying at his

1245
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,600
house and he's really overly talkative. And then it turns

1246
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,119
out that he's also invited the woman that he did

1247
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:01,399
the early part of his career with in terms of songwriting,

1248
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,399
and they were romantic partners. She shows up with her

1249
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,439
husband and and then you know, it's just sort of

1250
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,239
like about the development of what goes on, and it's

1251
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:17,680
really a story about art and commercialization and why you

1252
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:24,039
do art. And it was really beautiful and I loved it.

1253
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,479
It's just great and a little goofy and I like that.

1254
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's something I'll put on my list, the Ballad

1255
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:39,720
of Wallace Island. Like I like these, like small British

1256
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:44,640
films usually they have a heart. All right, that's it.

1257
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,079
That's a lot.

1258
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: It's a lot, and I don't know how it got

1259
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,159
to be so much, but I'm just but I was

1260
01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:53,760
excited by all that. I mean, there's more, but I'm

1261
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,199
not even I'm going to save some stuff for later. Yes,

1262
01:12:56,319 --> 01:13:02,079
So I did watch a YouTube on I watched a

1263
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:05,720
YouTube after the Devo documentary on Ramen that was really

1264
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,520
good and it was like three guys and they're kind

1265
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,239
of a weird group of guys, like I think the

1266
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:15,279
cameraman is a visible Jew and then like an Asian

1267
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:20,279
guy and a white guy evaluating Ramen in far flung locations.

1268
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,560
And I found it very interesting.

1269
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,359
Speaker 1: Like Ramen noodles, Yeah, okay.

1270
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:31,199
Speaker 2: High end Ramen, Ramen factories, Ramen with a twist like

1271
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:35,000
it was. It was a well done documentary, but a

1272
01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:37,720
mini doc like a mini like a YouTube, you know what,

1273
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:38,600
twenty minute thing.

1274
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:42,399
Speaker 1: Well, my wife likes YouTube, Michelle. Watch like a guy

1275
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:47,600
like building a like cabinet or watch someone like picking

1276
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,840
up shells. I don't know. There's all kinds of stuff

1277
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,920
and I look because I'm like, who would watch this

1278
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,800
is the most boring thing on earth? And it'll have

1279
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,279
like two million views, and I just think, like, we're

1280
01:13:57,319 --> 01:13:58,159
in the wrong business.

1281
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 2: I think I told you this previous, like years ago.

1282
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,720
But I went to visit my brother once and he

1283
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,600
was like, do you want to watch my favorite movie?

1284
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,560
And I was like yeah, And then he put on

1285
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,720
a YouTube of two guys building a cabin in Maine

1286
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,319
or something or Canada, I don't know, and it's they

1287
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:16,039
don't even talk. It's just two guys building a cabin

1288
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:18,000
and it sounds great. You know, you can hear the

1289
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,479
forest while they're doing it, but also power tools, and

1290
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,279
it is a very like I'm not surprised it's his

1291
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:27,960
favorite movie. It's a good movie, no plot really, but

1292
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:29,159
building a cabin.

1293
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: There are that kids watch other kids play Minecraft, and

1294
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,279
I look and it'll have ten million followers or something.

1295
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:39,279
Speaker 2: Oh that's sad.

1296
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,319
Speaker 1: I know, it's so weird. There's so much weird stuff

1297
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:46,079
on there. I just like to watch dogs falling down

1298
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:47,399
or whatever videos I did.

1299
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:49,359
Speaker 2: Recently watch a bunch of YouTube because I have I

1300
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:52,720
have a small house with small closets, so we have

1301
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,600
reach in closets. You know what I mean by that.

1302
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,159
We don't have walk in closets, we have reach in closets.

1303
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,319
And also my husband is a large man and he

1304
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:06,520
takes all the space, you know, so I need to

1305
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,720
maximize the closet space. So what I was gonna do.

1306
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,239
I had these big plans of like tearing down walls

1307
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:16,279
or expanding the size of the door. The reaching closet

1308
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:19,840
doesn't even have two doors. It just has one fairly

1309
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,199
tiny door. And then it's dark in there. And then

1310
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,279
where I live, you're not allowed to put lighting in

1311
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:27,800
the closet. It's like it's all sorts of drama. But

1312
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,199
I think what I'm gonna do is just raise the

1313
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:34,000
pole higher and then put a pole underneath thereby doubling

1314
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:35,880
nice the hanging length.

1315
01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:38,359
Speaker 1: And I think there's a YouTube video to help you.

1316
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 2: For sure, there are YouTube videos that show you how

1317
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,800
to do it. And also, by the way, there are

1318
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,840
YouTube videos that are awful. Like I'm not a I'm

1319
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,560
not a construction person, but I saw someone do it

1320
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,199
where they're just putting the pole directly into the drywall,

1321
01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:56,399
and I'm like, that's idiotic. Right, So you know it's

1322
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:59,479
on YouTube doesn't mean that it's good.

1323
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:01,199
Speaker 1: I had some I'm really like, I don't know what

1324
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:03,560
to call it. I haven't. I bought an old house too,

1325
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,880
and I had this old oven. I can't believe we're

1326
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,479
talking about this. I have this old oven and I

1327
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,000
had to like switch something in it. I'm like, no

1328
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:11,600
one has this oven anymore. There's no way anyone will.

1329
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,960
There was a YouTube video of some guy from like

1330
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,319
ten years ago fixing the same thing. Do you notice

1331
01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:19,279
that in old houses they don't believe in closets or windows?

1332
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:21,560
Like what was going on? Like they the windows are

1333
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,479
all usually small, the closets like tiny. Did they not

1334
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,880
have clothing? We must have a lot more than they did.

1335
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 2: They understood that you lose energy through windows and they

1336
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,199
had far less clothing.

1337
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:39,239
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that was interesting. So I'm happy that you

1338
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:41,880
watched all those things. It's nice that your book is

1339
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,079
done and now you're out there consuming culture again.

1340
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great talking to people.

1341
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,359
Speaker 1: It's great talking to people getting out there. We'll be

1342
01:16:49,399 --> 01:16:52,079
talking to you next week again. Until then, your Lovers

1343
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:53,439
of Freedom, any f