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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody in hobbyland. This is Hobby Hotline. This is

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episode number three three six, which wow three and thirty

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six episode. I wonder if there's anybody out there that's

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actually watched anyway. I'm Chris Harris. I am pinch hitting

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today and I'm joined by Sam Evans, sportscard collector, and

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a guy that I've been following for a while now,

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Alex Tresler, former one of the old og YouTube guys

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a dozen or so years ago. Wait and also fun fact,

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fellow military veteran and fellow air traffic control guy Alex

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Tresler Army ATC twenty two. How's everybody doing this?

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Speaker 2: Stelling good?

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Speaker 3: Doing good?

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Speaker 2: Still on a what I call a nostalgic roller coaster.

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Me and Alex actually had the same experience, So just

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like just still like living in a moment and like reminiscing,

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reminiscing on all the things that I seen saw and

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just her and it's been fun. It's been fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're not tracking, Samuel was talking about the

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Philly Show. We're at the Philly Show this past weekend.

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You know, it's a month after they won the Super Bowl.

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They had a card show in their backyard with over

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half the players there. The community was came out, it

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was buzzing. It was again it was be very very

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grateful that I was in that space and got to

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see all the collectors there, and you know it literally

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we kept saying it because it was like almost a

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mini National.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was Eagles Con.

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Speaker 4: Because you know the amount of people and stuff. It's like,

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you know, it's it's realistically kicking off our road to

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the National that's going to be happening, and you know

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in a few months seeing a lot of the you know,

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the same individuals that we see at other shows and stuff,

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and so we don't see that actually took the drive

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to get there and everything. And I loved it.

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Speaker 2: No, it was amazing and like super diverse crowd using

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people from all walks of life. A lot of people

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that up here actually came out. I was talking to

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a lot of people who like made the drive. And

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I also think the show was very intentional about just

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like certain days they had certain athletes and having that

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like real connection to Philly, the city of Philadelphia, because

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the card show isn't in the city of Philadelphia, so

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like having Gilly there was awesome, and that was a

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good pitch and it was super exciting to just be

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in that space and it was fun.

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Speaker 3: Man, it was fun.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot a lot of people there.

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Speaker 4: Not gonna lie, this comment was saying the second Philly

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Show had thirty one fifty for attendance in nineteen seventy six.

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That's actually a lot for today's type of shows, Like

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you know, even back then. You know, it was a

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smaller show back in the seventies, but over three thousand

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people coming through that door in any show these days

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is actually, I think a decent size number. What do

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you guys think?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I as I caught like it took video

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of like the opening. Normally when you come into the

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Philly Show, it's like they don't have like owls set up.

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They had literally four ours set up and they had

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multiple people out there checking like wristbands for everybody to

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come in. And the line took up the whole walkway

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and it was like out the door and around the corner.

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And normally for like shows they had people all wrapped

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around in that little room, but there was like a

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gymnastic event going on there. But it was crazy. It

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was a lot of a lot of people there and

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a lot of good like energy and like the patients

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that a lot of people showed to like just wait

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for their moment, and like some of the athletes, they

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did a great job, especially like Brandon Graham. He had

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over like five four hundred and fifty people by an

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autograph and he created the moment with each person and

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it was just like magical. It was magical to see

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that mix of like I'm a sports fan, but I'm

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also a collector, and all these worlds just come together

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to create that.

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Speaker 4: That's all waved to everyone in Indiana, Indiana and Michigan.

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What up? What up our shops? That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm old enough to remember when the Philly Show

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was in the George Washington Motor Lodge. Watch it was

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a dump. It's no longer there, the Fort Washington Expo

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Center and at the Valley for Casino. I've never seen

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a Philly Show crowd like this, and I would suspect

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that a lot of the folks there and you could

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probably tell, weren't there for the cards per se. They

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were there for the autographs. You know, I got the

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credits to the promoters because originally I think Andre Dawson

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and Wade Boggs and a few other big guys were

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scheduled to sign, and when the Eagles won the Super Bowl,

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they canceled those and just loaded up with Eagles Eagles,

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Eagles Eagles now.

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Speaker 2: Be a heavy, heavy baseball show. Yeah, and like to

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your point you made, like, yes, a lot of people

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came there for autographs, and I think Alex cheeked to

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this too. But just get in a sense of walking

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around the showroom hearing conversations from dealers and talking to

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a few vendors who were there. A lot of them said, Yo,

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I'm having a great show, especially on like a Friday night.

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This one day, I was talking to Matt his whole

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whole showcase was bought out Friday night and he had

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to like reload with just like some low end stuff

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because people were buying all his Kobe's and Michael Jordan's

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from So definitely it was a good show for the autographs.

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It was definitely a good show for the vendor. Just

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the tone contendor what I was hearing from a lot

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of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. You know, I talk to everyone there.

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You know, there are there are the vendors there that

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come and they don't care if they sell on card.

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They just want to be, you know, at a card

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show with their buddies, right, you know. And and the

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nostalgia doing it for so long, and the friendships and

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the networking and everything. A lot of people, you know,

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mistake the transactional side of this industry, you know, thinking

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you got to make a dollar when a lot of us,

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you know, I'll eat the costs to have a good

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weekend with my my friends at a card show out

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of ten times, right, you know, and everything, and it

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doesn't get costs, so you can't do it all the time. Whatever,

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So you got to do some type of sales and

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maybe that's you know, some stuff you know before the show,

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after the show, you're making those connections there can be

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more beneficial for you than actually making a sale of

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the show. But a lot of the a lot of

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people there. There's yes that the autograph guests brought a

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lot of people to that show.

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Speaker 2: To finish the point, the autographs, the autographs did bring

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a lot of people show, and like there was this

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influx of people who started to collect because of that.

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Hearing conversations of people who never brought cards before or

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was it into cards and to have that opportunity to

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walk through that showroom floor and see their favorite players

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on cards and bringing those cards up to get autographs

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or to like come back to that space or after

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waiting for their number to be called to walk the

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showroom floor. You know a lot of people joined the

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hobby that week. And I think it I think it

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was magical to see that.

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Speaker 1: Alex. You you were making a point, but you froze

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up there for a second. You want to finish up.

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Speaker 4: For I mean I was talking about you know a

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lot of the vendors. A lot of the vendors want

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to come out and experience the show with their friends,

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you know. And and same thing as the hobbyists that

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are coming to the show that aren't setting up as vendors.

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They might be coming to see their buddies that are

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set up. You know a lot of these people do

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these you know card show you know circuits, and this

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is what they do for their life, and this is

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this is you know, they might have been retired and

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everything else, and you know, this is what they want

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to do. It's it's it's going out there networking and

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you might be able to, you know, use that you know,

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friendships and stuff to make deals down the road, not

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not necessarily at the show, and you know, so you'd

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be like, hey, yeah, I didn't really do too well,

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but guess what from now I might make the biggest

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deal of my life because this person talked to me

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and he has stuff, you know, at his house. He

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didn't he couldn't bring.

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Speaker 2: The wealth of the wealth of conversations. Like I think

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that's the true wealth of the hobby. No one, No

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one really remembers how much money they made, but they

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remember that connections that they made.

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Speaker 1: Point anybody out there also went to the Philly show,

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feel free to call in. I dropped the link on

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the ticker below. What'd you guys pick up anything? I

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want to do a little show and tell.

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Speaker 2: So the show is so Friday night, the sow was crazy.

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Typically on like me and Alex. Alex was just like

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a fourth fifth show together, probably working shows together.

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Speaker 3: So typically I.

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Speaker 2: Don't buy cards on like Friday night. And because of

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the just the moment of like everything that I was seeing,

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I was like, I need to walk the showroom floor

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and just breathe the air of like cards. And I

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went on this like treasure hunt and I found this

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nineteen fifty two George, Mike and Weedy Cereal box hand

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cut card and this was like the last year Weedy's

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made these like cards set of like just the different

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athletes back then. And I found it from a dealer

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that I always buy cards from, shout out to Great

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Great Moments, Ink, and this is definitely one for the people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's really hard to find my PC. A

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lot of people know my PC is Pat Tillman. But

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on the show floor there was multiple Pet Tillman cards

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which I didn't have yet too, but you know, a

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little pricey and everything. So I decided to focus on

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one and I got a nice twenty nineteen Rookies and Stars.

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It's the Hero It's the actually great American Hero subset.

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It's the gold out of ten. So a lot of

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people don't know, like from when he was in two

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thousand and one, this is the first time he was

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back in products. In twenty nineteen Rookies and Stars. It

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was the first time he was back in the products

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and this so this is this very first gold parallel

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card ever and so I had to scoop it up.

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It's an incredible card. I have other parallels of this,

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but I didn't have the gold, so I was pretty

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pretty nice to see that on them.

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Speaker 2: And then my last pickup I always share.

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Speaker 3: Anybody would knows me in the hobby world. They know

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how I feel about Will Chamblain, so.

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Speaker 2: You know, whenever I see like a Wilt Channing car,

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because there's not many cards of him. Actually, there aren't

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any cards of him when he came back to the

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Sixers and won the NBA Championship. So I saw this

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modern penny card and I was like, I mean as well,

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he's got a Sixers uniform one, so I gotta grab

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it all right.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And I picked up, uh, a nice dent in

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my car on the way home, So I ran over

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something on Route one. I didn't think anything of it.

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I didn't even notice it until Monday, and so my

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car's been in the shop ever since, needing a new bumper.

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That's what I picked up at the and I, you know,

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picked up about a couple hundred bucks worth of like

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dollar box yeah, five dollar box stuff.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: Somebody in the chat said movie chill son. He said,

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Principal Evans, see any kids at the film show. There

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was definitely a lot of kids there this year, a

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lot of kids.

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Speaker 4: Tell them about the experience moment Samuel tell me the

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experience about you being on the news and then then

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then seeing you and calling you.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I got into body yes news and

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a lot of my for some reason, we're watching the

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news that morning and a bunch of them was sending

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the email saying, mister Evans, I saw you on the

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news this morning. So it was kind of cool, uh,

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to know that they're involved in current events and uh,

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they're staying in tune what's going on.

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Speaker 3: In the world. So it was it was a cool moment.

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Cool moment.

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Speaker 2: Also, Trade Night was fun too. Trade Night was happening time.

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Alex and I did a lot of trivia stuff with

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Speaker 3: It was it was awesome.

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Speaker 4: It was we changed it. We changed it up because

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me and sam May we switched and stuff. Whatever. We

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switched it up. We went on. We had him going

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a scavenger hunt, you know, you know, you know, uh,

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shout out to wax Stars, you know, Dave Marino and

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everything with them, you know, putting together a great Trade

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Yago Santiago Sports. You know, they put on trade Great

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Trade Night. A whole bunch they meant twenty thirty pizzas

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they brought in for people to have food and everything.

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But there's a lot of wax, a lot of boxes

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that they gave out too. So Samuel has always been

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the person to head that up and everything was you know,

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his his vice principal to help him out and everything.

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So I was just like, why don't we send them

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on a scavenger hunting and someone find a numbered card,

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like we find a numbered you know, thirteen of one

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hundred and ninety nine, and first one to bring it up,

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you know, gets it. And the people, the kids were

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running around everywhere. It was. It was so cool to see.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

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Speaker 3: It was a magical time.

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Speaker 2: And like that just goes to show like the next

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generation who comes at the US when we're all old

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and gray and passing out collections on a hobby's going

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to be in a good space.

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Speaker 1: You all know. When the next Philly Show is September.

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Speaker 4: September, they have a big they have yeah, they have

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a big gap. Well the National and then CSA is

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also because it kind of in ties whatever. You know.

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Joe who runs the Philly Show also as partners with

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runs the CSA Show. And so they give that, you know,

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CSA to a couple of shows and then the National

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Course and then Philly Show, then CSA the Philly Show again,

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so you know, trying.

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Speaker 1: To I encourage a lot of people that have never

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been to the Philly Show. It's worth the trip. Don't agree.

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Speaker 4: Even I've tried to think, like, I don't know on

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the East Coast, what is a bigger show? Maybe that

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I mean, no, there's there's no, it's not bigger. So

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there's over a thousand tables at the Philly Show, so

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I'm almost possib it's not. It's not as it's bigger

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than East Coast National. I was up there in January.

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biggest show on the East Coast. Like people in the

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check can probably you know, tell me I'm wrong and everything,

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but you know, just making out loud and stuff, it

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might possibly be the biggest show.

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Speaker 2: In the and like to your point, as it being

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the biggest show on the East Coast, jeeing on them,

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they're really like doing some forward thinking to make it

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an experience, especially for like just a different demographic and

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thinking about like how can we make this fun for

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kids and everything.

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Speaker 3: So they're doing a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of work and having a lot of good conversations too,

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like have it not be just any typical like regional

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card show?

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Speaker 1: All right? I had a comment in the chat here

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from Rex of the Baseball card Shop. Do you have

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any thoughts about the Fanatics anti trust case? You share?

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So for people that follow me on social media, they

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may know that for the last twelve and a half year,

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I've worked for the Federal Trade Commission as an economic

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analyst and anti and I recently decided to take the

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Trump buyout. I mean, getting paid to sit on your

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duff for seven months can't beat it. But the one

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thing is because I'm no longer employed by the FTC,

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I can out comment on things like this. So yeah, yeah,

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in case you missed it this week, let me share

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something with you. You'll see that Panini's anti trust case

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against Fanatics is allowed to proceed. So two years ago

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Panini sued Fanatics for anti truck and it's been kind

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of snaking its way through the judicial system ever since.

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District court judges judge in the Southern District of New

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York allowed the bulk of Panini's anti trust case against

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Fanatics to proceed on Monday, in the latest development in

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a contentious legal battle. The dispute began in twenty twenty

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three when Panini alleged Fanatics engaged in monopolistic practices to

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corner the market in the trading card industry, which I

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think is kind of ironic because before Fanatics came on

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the scene, it was Panini that was trying to monopolize

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the trading card industry. That anyway, Yeah, shortly theref for

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Fanatics countersuit for unfair competition and tortuous interference Panini's complaint

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where it was out of Fanatics entry into the sports

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card and a countersuit. Fanatics argued Panini had no ground

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to stand on by pushing back on the claims of

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success was not wasn't really a result of monopolistic practices,

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but rather due to Panini's incompetency, which Panini holds the

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rights to produce NFL and NBA trading cards, both sports

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beginning six. David Boys. I don't know if you know

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who David Boys is, but this guy is a real

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high power lawyer that Penenie Is hired. He was the

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guy that litigated the Bush v. Gore case for al

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Gore and even though he lost, but that should show

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you how much of a respected lawyer this guy is.

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The court's decision, finding that Panini had properly alleged Fanatics

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violation of the anti trust laws allows us to move

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forward with this case, which seats to preserve competition in

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the sports card trading business. Trading card business, Fanatics did

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have some wins. Panini claimed it was an anti trust

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violation for Fanatics to buy Tops. The judge dismissed that

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by saying that Fenetics acquisition of Tops couldnt plausibly cause

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anti trust carm to Panini, and so Panini stacked mark

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standing to bring this claim. You know, other than the

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fact that Tops, you know, has an exclusive license to

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make baseball cards, I don't get that claim. Judge also

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dismissed many of Panini's claims around allegations of torture's interference

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as it relates to the contracts of employees that are

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hired for Fanatics. Much of the claim did in a

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statement Panini, we are We're pleased that the court has

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already rejected a number of Panini's claims. That is allowing

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Fanatics case against Panini to move forward. Unlike Panini's baseless allegations,

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we look forward to presenting actual evidence about how in

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just a few short ears we have materially grown the

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hobby through investments, innovations, blah blah blah, better better products,

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yeah okay, and marketing and a relentless focus around yeah

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well whatever. So all right, two years it's been snaking

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around the around the judicial system. I still think, Pennie,

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I'm still hoping Panini win in the hopes that there

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can at least be a second licensee in every sport.

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You guys have any thoughts on this case.

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Speaker 4: So my my thought process is this, just you know, sorry,

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sam My thought is this, even if they do right,

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Panini does win, they still have to have an agreement

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with those those the NFL, the m MLB, they still

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got to have agreements with them, and and honestly, they

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can be like, no, we don't want to pay both,

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we don't want to pay tops, we don't want to

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pay you know, Panini too. At the same time, so

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I think I think that it doesn't matter anyway. Honestly,

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the NFL and all the players associations also, you know,

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they're going a certain route. Two you know, on top

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of you know, them saying Okay, we can't have this,

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they still need to have the actual agencies want to

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work with them.

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Speaker 2: Also, I say two things like, I'm not an expert

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the whole law side, but when this first came out,

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the lever that I saw right away was the players

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and that equity, that equity slice is vital because it

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allows them to generate revenue when they're playing careersm and

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what we see how the car industry is going with relics,

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players who were tired and everything.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So and then the other side of me thinks back

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to the nineties, and this is the collector and me,

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I think back to a time where everybody had the license,

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and I think it fewed innovation, It few forward thinking creativity,

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and it allowed us to like reimagine cards from just

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like this traditional like piece of cardboard and it became

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these these these images of where like we can hold

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it up and we can see different things, and it

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was three D and it was all these different things.

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So that's one thought when I say, like, you know what,

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why not allow people to have all the license, to

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share the license so we can get that creativity because I.

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Speaker 3: Think in the nineties, you know, we had.

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Speaker 2: The best decade of insert card from all companies and

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it was like this this huge competition to see who

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can be the most innovative and most creative.

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Speaker 3: And but that.

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Speaker 2: Equity slices that that equity piece and that revenue piece

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for the players Association, that's hard for them to like

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walk away from. And and that's why I think a

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lot of them are aligning them themselves with Top fanatics.

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Speaker 4: Well, so on top of that, I'm gonna throw in

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that third person. It's like all this has happened between

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Tops and well fanatics and pennis and everything all the

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same time, Leaf is still doing you know, tons of

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stuff with these players that are in just Tops products

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or just Panini products and everything they're having. They're having

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all these cardialties, autos and stuff like whatever you know,

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Leaf does with being able to you know, deal with

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these players and everything else, because you know, they're not

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dealing with the companies with the actual you know, NFL,

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you know, MLB and stuff like that work directly with

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the players. It's just like, why isn't you know, one

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of the other following the same suit, like the model

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that they have like, It's just that's just mind boggling.

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Speaker 2: No. Leaf has found their market, they found their model.

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You know, they stick to him and people buy it.

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Speaker 4: Well they do. It's just like like so for example,

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like Sugar Sanders isn't going to be in Anyini Panini

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products at all because he's an exclusive to fanatics. Right, well,

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he has Leaf autos, right, so how is it as

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Leave but not you know Panini. You know what type

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of contracts and stuff is that happening? Why isn't he

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in there also? You know those type of individuals. It's

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just wild that you know, Leaf has been able to

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do it, which is great. I love Leaf stuff. You know,

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I have no problem in auto and auto is an

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auto to me no matter what it is. You know,

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it's it's I mean I've always said.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a logo on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean depending on what the product is, depending

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what it looks like and stuff, depending on the angles. Right,

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That's why the difference between you to Chrome right. No,

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So that's what I was getting ready to say. Tops

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Chrome basketball looked horrible this year because all the logos

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are on the jerseys and it's hard to get away

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from that. Chrome football stills, but it looked better because

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the logos are usually on the helmets, and if you're

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like this way, you can't really see the helmets, you're

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not seeing the logos that much. So it made it

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more presentable with finest and all the football products that

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they're starting to come out with with tops compared to

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the basketball is just like, yeah, they're playing pickup games,

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you know, in the backyard. You know they're doing the

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photo shoot. But yeah, but Leaf somehow's coming in there.

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I've always said, if you want a Steph, curry out

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to go into Leaf products and get one for cheap

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compared to you know, thousands of dollars is the ones

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in this Worry uniform.

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Speaker 2: And like to your point, I can infer that there's

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probably some claws and those like exclusive Fanatics contracts where

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it's not necessarily like some three sixty bill, but they

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probably have some like Avenue where like if I have

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the lead way to like put myself in another product,

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but you would be my main you know, distributor or

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main person. I mean that's what I can infer if

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you if you if folks are like exclusive to Fanatics,

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but we see them in these other products, that are

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coming out because I don't hear fromatic complaining about it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If I want leafs, I'll go clean the pool.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, I'm not a leaf buyer.

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Speaker 4: But that's why this industry is great. You can buy

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what you love, collect what you want, what you like.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even that trade night we had that leaf

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product up there, that was the first thing that the

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kids grabbed right when we did our first giveaway. That

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was the first thing that want this exclusive like.

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Speaker 4: But also it's also the one It's also the one

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that had to guaranteed autos that so yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: I think I speak for a lot of collectors when

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I say that in a perfect world, there would be

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more than one licensee per sport. So Fanatics, Pennini, and

477
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,559
upper Deck would have licenses in more than one sport.

478
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:16,359
Are gamers any chance?

479
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: Once in a blue moone?

480
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: Do you remember, like twenty years ago when there was

481
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,359
Madden and two K football?

482
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I remember NBA two K, NBA Live.

483
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so one year two K, I think it was

484
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,599
NFL two K five and it just blew away Madden.

485
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,039
It's still considered by a lot of gamers to be

486
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,200
the greatest football game of all time, even though it's

487
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:51,039
twenty years old. But EA didn't particularly care for that,

488
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,160
and they backed up the breaks truck and paid for

489
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,559
an exclusive license, and it's been Madden ever since. And

490
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:03,440
that was really the beginning when leagues figured out that

491
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,519
licensees were willing to pay a premium for exclusivity. And

492
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:12,960
not that long after that you had Tops making the

493
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,480
deal with MLB, you had Panini come in and get

494
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:21,559
the basketball license. I believe by this time upper Deck

495
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:26,440
had the hockey license. So yeah, regardless of we in

496
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:31,640
the hobby and we what we collectors want, it's going

497
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,480
to be exclusive licensing, whether we like it or not.

498
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 4: I don't think upper Deck had the hockey yet. I

499
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,240
don't think because Panini had a nice little stint that

500
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,799
they had they did hockey too well.

501
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:46,039
Speaker 1: There was a brief period whether the NHL did give

502
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:50,079
two licenses, Yeah, but I believe before that and after that,

503
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,480
upper Deck had an exclusive nhlman.

504
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: So the collector and me would love to see Upper

505
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,720
Deck make hockey cards simply because they have flair and

506
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,599
skybox like Catalog and if to see like them do

507
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,279
basketball and go inside that like treasure box and pull

508
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,920
out some of those, like, you know, nostalgic themes that

509
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,240
they had, that Flair had, that Skybox had, and that

510
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:20,839
I mean, I would love to see that in a

511
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,759
modern card.

512
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,079
Speaker 1: No, it's funny you should you should say that because

513
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,640
this is a good transition into our next topic, and

514
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,640
that is this week Upper Deck released a hockey, a

515
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Skybox themed hockey card set. They released twenty twenty three

516
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:45,400
twenty four Skybox Ex two thousand Hockey. Now, I don't

517
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,799
know if I'm wrong or anything, but I seem to

518
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:55,400
believe that it's March fifteenth of twenty twenty five and

519
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,400
twenty that that means that twenty twenty five is almost

520
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,400
a quarter over, and that the twenty twenty four twenty

521
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,400
twenty five NHL season is about two thirds over, and

522
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:16,440
yet we're getting a twenty twenty three hockey product. That's

523
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:21,359
not all because there are by my count, at least

524
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:27,480
two other quote unquote twenty twenty three hockey card sets

525
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,440
that Upper Deck is releasing in the next couple of weeks.

526
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,759
There's Premier Hockey on the nineteenth and Ultimate Collection on

527
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:36,799
the twenty fourth.

528
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: We also had to get away with this, well, the

529
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:43,759
same thing. The same thing is did in series one

530
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,279
or two just come out too? Of twenty four to

531
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,880
twenty five hockey. Literally it was within like within two

532
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,319
weeks of each other. Like it's just wild as has.

533
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: A New Flyers rookie.

534
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,359
Speaker 1: And I understand that during the pandemic, it kind of

535
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,880
kind of for a while had issues with the sket

536
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,359
with production and schedule, so that we did see for

537
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,240
a couple of years sets be delayed for a while.

538
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:16,400
But the pandemic's over now. I mean, why why are

539
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,160
you calling this a twenty twenty three product. You are

540
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,440
not fooling anybody.

541
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: Yep, same thing, same thing. Like we discussed ahead of

542
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,039
time basketball basketball is the same way, and I brought

543
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,200
it up thinking shout out to Black Cards for having

544
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,799
their updated list of releases and everything in one spot.

545
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:40,279
It's great. Flawless Basketball this year comes out April thirtieth.

546
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:45,480
April thirtieth, twenty three twenty four Before that is Immaculate

547
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,640
Basketball twenty three, twenty four, April ninth. Optic Basketball this

548
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,039
year for twenty four to twenty five comes out April sixteenth,

549
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,640
and another Like I think I when I kind of

550
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,400
the beginning of the year, we had nine I think

551
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,519
first nine products twenty four to twenty five basketball came

552
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,559
out before the last basketball product of twenty three twenty four.

553
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,359
It's wild, wild at.

554
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: That's I think to both of your point, can we

555
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:13,960
can we agree that?

556
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:18,599
Speaker 2: I guess we love the variety of you know, all

557
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,960
these like sets, but sometimes less can less can be more?

558
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,519
Speaker 4: Well, you got to think of the aspect aspect for

559
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,720
the companies like it's a it's a business model, like yes, less,

560
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,400
we want less to be more for us, but for

561
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,519
them if people are buying and people are opening like

562
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,480
they're gonna make it until the way the way that

563
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,200
stops is people will stop actually opening the product when

564
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,079
it's sitting there. But people like to buy singles. That's

565
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:46,319
why the whole ecosystem of the industry, you know, everyone

566
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,519
you know has the you know, people are fighting same

567
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,079
breakers are ruining the hobby. As someone that picks up

568
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,440
singles all the time and doing stuff, Let them be

569
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,920
out there, let them open the products for thousands of

570
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,359
dollars and then I can find those cards and dollar

571
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,000
value bends down the road, right, you know, it's fine

572
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:05,599
with me and everything. So again, I believe the whole

573
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,279
industry is a big ecosystem where you gotta the breakers

574
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:13,000
are helping the singles industry. And if you want to

575
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,319
take a stand, a lot of people just like we

576
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,960
need to revolt, we need to you know, hey, if

577
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,440
we stop breaking Panini products, if we go on a

578
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,559
strike with them, guess what, then they'll eventually stop making it. Well,

579
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,480
you need to do more than that. You need to

580
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,440
not break. You need to not buy their singles anywhere

581
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:31,720
and just let it sit because then more people will

582
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,759
stop breaking, stop opening product, and then it'll finally get

583
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,440
to them. But that will never happen with millions of

584
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:36,799
people there.

585
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,559
Speaker 1: There's just too many breakers that have to open product.

586
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna have license model, right. I guess

587
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,440
we're gonna have like three years of Caitlyn Clark rookie

588
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,200
cards too, right?

589
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: Oh?

590
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: Not pretty much? Should these be considered rookie cards because

591
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,880
and I'm saying I'm this transition to another topic. Twenty

592
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,200
twenty four or quote unquote heritage high number comes out

593
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,119
in a couple of uh. It's been well over a year,

594
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,440
almost a year and a month since twenty twenty four.

595
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,759
Heritage low number baseball UH, and this is usually around

596
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,440
the time when twenty twenty five Heredage comes out, would

597
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,720
do you would you even consider a pall Scheme's Rookie

598
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,400
or any of the other from this product to even

599
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,920
be real legitimate twenty twenty four Rookie car I don't.

600
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: I don't.

601
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,119
Speaker 2: That's why modern cards.

602
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,079
Speaker 4: So the thing is so yeah. So the problem is

603
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:38,880
is like, right now, you know, it comes out in

604
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,680
twenty five, right and everything, but the back of the

605
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,880
card is going to say twenty twenty four, it was

606
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,440
printed in twenty twenty four, ten years from now. Do

607
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,359
you think someone's gonna remember it came out in twenty

608
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:48,839
twenty five?

609
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: Now maybe probably some people.

610
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,079
Speaker 4: Some people want well, but majority won't.

611
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,599
Speaker 3: You know.

612
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,319
Speaker 4: That's where that's where the whole thought process of down

613
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,000
the road, Like everyone talks about insting and everything else,

614
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,799
those type of cards literally will be thought of. Okay,

615
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,079
no one's gonna remember that it came out halfway through

616
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,079
the year in twenty twenty five, when it was a

617
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,719
twenty four product. So currently, yes, I feel like, you know,

618
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,199
it's hard to a hard pill to swallow that you know,

619
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,079
these products are coming out after series one of twenty

620
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:23,280
five has already came out, right and everything. So yeah,

621
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,440
I think in the long run, I think it ruefly

622
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,840
doesn't matter. Now, it's a product, you know, the high

623
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,440
number stuff depending on it's short printed and everything else.

624
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,719
You know, Randycados or whatever like that, those hold more value.

625
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,679
But the base cards, you know, eventually in the road

626
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,000
come well protect the base car, Alex, Hey, I have

627
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,559
my I have a there's a difference between the base

628
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:44,400
card and a rookie card.

629
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: The other problem that I have with this product is

630
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,760
that it's based on the seventy five Tops design. You

631
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,039
all remember the seventy five Tops high numbers, right, No,

632
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:55,920
I'm trying.

633
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: To thine if I got one around.

634
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:02,559
Speaker 1: Me, there were none single series that year. Oh so

635
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,559
why do we have high number now? Other than more money, crab,

636
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,239
more money.

637
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

638
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: I actually wrote something for Hobby News Daily last year

639
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,679
about how Tops just doesn't really care much about heritage anymore.

640
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,480
And I think the existence of a high number product

641
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,400
for based on a set that didn't have a high

642
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:29,199
number series just a kind of adds more fuel to

643
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,320
the fire for me. Let's see, let's go into the

644
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,599
chat for a moment. Breakers are breaking the hobby. Yeah, okay,

645
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,719
we need six thousand plus rookie cards for everyone. Okay,

646
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,760
it says rookie on it, I want it, Well, then

647
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,800
just put rookie on everything. Then let's put rookies on

648
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,679
like second and third year card. Let's have Tops make

649
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:58,960
nineteen fifty Bowman Chrome in twenty twenty five. That way

650
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,880
it'll be the real Mickey Mantle. I wouldn't put it

651
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,360
past them to actually do that.

652
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 4: You know, Tops made the first Bowman's of Babe Ruth

653
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,519
and everything, so.

654
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:18,599
Speaker 1: Good years from now. No one, not all collectors are stupid,

655
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:20,559
but you know there are some.

656
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: Come on, We've we all have our tendencies. Like I'm

657
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,400
not gonna lie. I've had my my stupid times myself.

658
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,119
Speaker 1: One last one, last topic that I had. I don't

659
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,800
know if you saw this, but there's something that TOPS

660
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,239
is coming out with a couple of called Series one Celebration,

661
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,960
And the more I look into it, they haven't released

662
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,679
the checklt and they really haven't released much about it.

663
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,960
But to me, this looks like the return of Opening Day,

664
00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:00,880
just under another name, because it's going to be basically

665
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:05,440
like Opening Day was back in a rehash of the flagships,

666
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:09,400
same cards, same design. I don't know if they're gonna

667
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,440
put a little Opening Day or celebration logo, they're gonna

668
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,599
have mascot inserts and whatnot. My questioning to you is,

669
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,000
and to the chat, products like this that are obviously

670
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,000
geared toward kid, right, and it appears that this is

671
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,960
going to be geared toward kids.

672
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: They don't really.

673
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: Have a strong track record in the hobby. I mean,

674
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,519
I remember, I'm old enough to remember Triple Play. You

675
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:42,639
remember Triple Play?

676
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 4: Yep?

677
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: This was Don Russ's kitty set. Nobody cared Opening Day

678
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,000
in its original form was designed it was I believe

679
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:57,760
that Tops was mandated to make this set because Baseball

680
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,480
wanted a product that was for the children, and kids

681
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:06,800
didn't buy it. So I don't understand why they're bringing

682
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,079
it back, even under a different name.

683
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 4: So, by the looks of it, what do you.

684
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,159
Speaker 1: Guys think of the concept of a kid focused kitty

685
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,400
brand like that?

686
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,639
Speaker 4: So by the looks of it, it's it's like retail exclusive, right,

687
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,000
So it's gonna be two formats, like little egg type

688
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,039
of things. Whatever. Then it's just gonna be like a megabox.

689
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,079
So I think it's trying to gear you know, I

690
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,079
don't know if maybe they're bringing in the concept maybe

691
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,159
let's do this product you know that doesn't have a

692
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:36,639
lot of pizazz, you know, possibly not even resale value whatever,

693
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,360
but it's it's fun for the the you know, the

694
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,239
the younger generation to find at Walmart, Target and everything

695
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,280
else and let them let it stay on the shelves

696
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,920
and let them find it rather than you know, the

697
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,920
scout person in there and cleaning off the shelves. You know,

698
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,639
I believe is that where the the like dynasty patches

699
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,360
and stuff for the mascots out Yeah, so so mascot

700
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,559
cards actually are very people people can like them. There's

701
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,119
a lot of people to collect that type of stuff.

702
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,840
So they're going under that niche of you know, dynasty

703
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,119
type of patch autos of these of these characters and

704
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:12,320
everything of these of these mascots for these teams, and uh,

705
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,800
I mean, is there a niche out there? I think

706
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,960
they're gonna see, right, They're going to see you know,

707
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,360
you know that if I see what Traction has and everything,

708
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000
and it's at that the lower price point, you know,

709
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,000
I think Samuel said it, you know, in the beginning,

710
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:28,840
was possibly like another big league type of product, right,

711
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:35,039
But though a big league either, not even the influencers

712
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:36,000
that are in it themselves.

713
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think of two things right Oftentimes when I

714
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,800
go to cards shows, I put on my educator head

715
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,119
and I tend to like read the room and think

716
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:48,360
about the things that I see. I think kids gravitate

717
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:52,000
towards the cards that they see if they have like

718
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,039
a dad or uncle or a big brother, someone connected

719
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,039
to they connected to and what they collect, and they

720
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,000
look for those high end things. Going back to white

721
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:04,039
planes and even at the Philly show, I was just

722
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,639
measurized about the amount of like the wealth of knowledge

723
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,960
that kids are operating from when it comes to cards,

724
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:14,519
comps the market value on all those different things. And

725
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,239
then I also think about like process to people who

726
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,039
want to get in cards, but you know they don't

727
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,320
have that higher end access because to a certain point,

728
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,119
the hobby is a space in place of the have

729
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,800
and have not. So I do think like organizations need

730
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,239
to think about like just different levels of targeted marketing

731
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,760
and the demographic and how they can like give them

732
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,039
access to certain things because also to traditionals, the hobby

733
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,480
is a space and place where you start off with

734
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,280
a certain set of cards and one day, you hope

735
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,599
that you build them into the cards or the types

736
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,719
of cards that you want and your collection. So I

737
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,400
think they do have a space in place. I think

738
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,280
it all boils down to how how they you know,

739
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,960
mark them and get it into the hands of the

740
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,440
people who actually want them.

741
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,039
Speaker 1: I mean all of that sounds nice, though, but why

742
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,400
hasn't it worked before? Why didn't it work with Opening Day?

743
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:17,039
I mean, that's accessible, but nobody bought it. Okay, So anyway,

744
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,159
I've I've called up on the screen. This is the

745
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:26,519
first look of the first ever MLB mascot patch autograph,

746
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:31,159
which feature mascot Warren memorabilia and on card autos and

747
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,840
will be found in Series one celebration. And because I

748
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,000
am a wise ass, I had to respond you had

749
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:43,559
autographed mascot relics in twenty two opening days and twenty

750
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,440
one opening day and nineteen twenty twenty opening day and

751
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:52,199
twenty nineteen opening day and twenty eighteen opening Day. It's

752
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,239
almost as if the guy who posted this had no

753
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,880
idea of his own company's heritage.

754
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: Probably been working there for here.

755
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: Probably my thoughts on this is I am not a kid,

756
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,639
I'm a middle aged man. But I used to be

757
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,960
a kid, okay, And when I was a kid, I

758
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,800
didn't particularly like being condescended to and marketed to. So

759
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:20,639
that's one of the reasons why I didn't really collect

760
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,800
products like nineteen ninety two Tops Kid, which came out

761
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,960
when I was seventeen or eighteen. Maybe I was alone.

762
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,519
I didn't like Opening Day, I didn't like Triple Play,

763
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,719
And I don't think the kids of today really want

764
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,039
a product like this. They'd rather have the real Top

765
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:41,800
Series one than Series one celebrations.

766
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,679
Speaker 2: Why I will push a little bit because again within

767
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,360
that kid's social demographic, there are kids who, again depending

768
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,280
on their proximity to who they have driving their collecting experience,

769
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:01,480
they tend to collect certain things. And I also think

770
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:04,320
there is a target market of kids who don't have

771
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,559
access to those higher end things. And I'm also drawn

772
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,719
from my experience collecting, you know, twenty eight plus, twenty

773
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,039
eight plus years ago in North Philadelphia, where we didn't

774
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,480
have a lot of access to certain things. As it

775
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,559
came came to cards, we had the cards from Towards

776
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,840
r US, we didn't have local hobby stores, we didn't

777
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,360
have the Beckett books and the cards shows so we

778
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,760
created our own ecosystem, and the cards that floated throughout

779
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,000
ecosystem where the packs.

780
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: That we found at Kmart and Walmart and you.

781
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,599
Speaker 2: Know those those big box score stores that sold cards.

782
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: So I think they do have a place.

783
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's a situation where like, when you're

784
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,360
creating this product, who do you have at the table

785
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:54,360
that understands the different demographic of kids? Do you have

786
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,000
educators at the table? Do you have people at the

787
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,039
table who could like who knows those worlds and know

788
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:02,760
how to market things and those how they're like, make

789
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,280
sure that we have this pipeline to get things into

790
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,320
the hands that were belongs to so that way they

791
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,800
can have these meaningful collecting experiences. So I think they

792
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:17,079
get more intentional intentional with that process and making sure

793
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,639
that you have the right people at the table. Then

794
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,320
you could see that generated success that we all hope

795
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,320
for a kid to open up a pack who may

796
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,239
not never see a high end card, but they had

797
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,679
this experience with this one.

798
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,199
Speaker 3: On one autumn, you know what I mean.

799
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: So I just think they just need to do more

800
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,400
intentional work. Yeah, So I think that's that's just me

801
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,480
as an educator, And I think with different kids.

802
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,519
Speaker 4: I think the marketing aspect, I don't know too many

803
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,719
children and as ages that would actually, you know, like

804
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,079
this product are probably not even one don't have a Facebook,

805
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:53,280
don't have you know, Instagram themselves, or they're probably their

806
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,519
parents showing them the the articles or the posts saying, hey,

807
00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:59,280
do you think this would be? You know, I'll ask Samuel,

808
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,960
like being up in the filiar area, like getting an

809
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:05,079
RPA or patch auto of the Philly Fanatic, Right, you know,

810
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,320
there is a lot of adults that actually would like

811
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,920
that card, right, the San Diego Chicken you know those Yeah,

812
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,559
I mean seriously, those those individuals, those mascots that have

813
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,159
been big in you know, Major League and stuff like that,

814
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,679
do have a do have a following and stuff. So

815
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,639
I think there is that. But the problem that that

816
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:27,280
I see with it is is again it's clicked what

817
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,440
you like and what you love and stuff like that.

818
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,480
And just because there's so many we see these shows

819
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:34,679
we see online, we see so many of these kids

820
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,440
that are walking up with their cases that have they

821
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,320
can buy a house, like literally they can sell their

822
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,159
case and buy multiple houses, right, And we think that

823
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,679
that's the typical kid these days in this industry, and

824
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,039
it's not There's still a lot out there there coming

825
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,360
to the show. There's still a lot out there that

826
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,440
that I think would wouldn't mind opening this because one,

827
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,719
it's at a price point that it's that it's actually

828
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,559
decent for them, and and to it could be fun, right,

829
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,760
And I think I think I think they're going after

830
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,039
that that approach. Now what Samuel's saying, like maybe maybe

831
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:06,840
it was a day at tops, maybe you know, hey,

832
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,000
bring your kids to work day and they're like, bring

833
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:11,039
them all the conference room. Let's do a pitch to

834
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,079
these kids from you know that that are the you know,

835
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,360
of the family members of the people at orchantops. What

836
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,280
do you guys think would you like a product like?

837
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,880
And in that room you'd probably have at least half

838
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,880
of them say well, what do you think the resell

839
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,119
of that is? Right? Depending on their because that that's

840
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,440
just the answer to everything need days is like how

841
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,920
much can I make off of and not actually truly

842
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,480
collecting even though it might not, you know, look good

843
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,320
to you. Again, someone out there, they might love it.

844
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: And to your point, like again I draw off like

845
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,320
the organic experience that I have created with cards. For example,

846
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,079
like working in Chester as a high school principal, I

847
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,400
was also a middle school principal.

848
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,079
Speaker 3: At one of the middle schools, and I.

849
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: Brought in a box of a five road box all

850
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,800
my like nineties cars, all types of cars in there

851
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,360
are in nineties everything, and just set it on the

852
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,760
table and all my middle boys and girls is gathered

853
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,840
around and started pulling cards and to see the joy

854
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,119
and excitement on their face of cards that probably don't

855
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,880
worth you know, more than a dollar or like twenty

856
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,000
five cents, like that was their moment to be a collector.

857
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,280
That was their moment to experience something. So I think again,

858
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,400
if we had the right people in the room, and

859
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,119
we think intentionally about like who are we designing product for?

860
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:32,000
There are all different levels to kids who collect. There

861
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,719
are the kids with the cases who have enough that's

862
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,480
worth a house, right, and they're a kids who just

863
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:41,400
love cards and they may they may not be worth

864
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,039
a lot of money, but it's their level that they're

865
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,519
at now. So you know, we just got to make

866
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,239
sure that that that that way of collecting still happened

867
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,239
and it has a space in place, because you know,

868
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,760
we don't want to see another bubble bursting that happened

869
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,400
in the nineties.

870
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:05,079
Speaker 1: I think that's happening. Comment in the chat. I remember

871
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:10,320
Collector's Choice, and Collector's Choice was kind of a kid

872
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,199
focused brand, but in a way it really wasn't if

873
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,440
you know what I mean, I miss Collector's Choice. Let's

874
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,000
see what else is in the chat here.

875
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember the Toys US exclusive Rookie Baseball card.

876
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:26,639
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

877
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: The box set? What does does fanatic fur grow back?

878
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:40,639
I guess card collect what others like? I was poor,

879
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Collector's Choice was my favorite. I just like Collector's Choice

880
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:49,800
because it was a It was a big, comprehensive flagship set.

881
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,239
You know, it was like seven hundred, eight hundred cards deep.

882
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,719
I wish Flagship Tops was like that. And I prefer

883
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,320
Tasters Choice. Good to the last drug. That's actually Maxwell House.

884
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,679
That was good to the last. Yeah. Okay, we are

885
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,800
almost up on an hour fifty seven minutes according to

886
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,000
this clock in the corner of my stream. I guess

887
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:19,239
we should probably wrap this up. I got nothing. I

888
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,800
think I've gone through all the topics that have made

889
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,119
news this week. Oh there was one other thing that

890
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,840
I saw that tops just announced today and that is

891
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,519
the six major award winners from last season are all

892
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,719
going to have a gold logo man on the back

893
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,280
of their hat and on the back of their jersey.

894
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:48,400
So the MVP winners, Otani, Judge, Chris Sale, who is

895
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:54,599
the Yeah, so six players will have a gold logo man.

896
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,760
Does this do anything for you?

897
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,519
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I saw it from from my aspect

898
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,239
one today. Did they say it's only gonna be once,

899
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,119
It's gonna be throughout the year, right, They're gonna.

900
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Have a goal throughout the year or so the whole year.

901
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: So and it specifically say it is a partnership with

902
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:14,559
Fanatics and the MLB for them to take those and

903
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,000
put them in the cards. Like I I wish a

904
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,239
lot of these type of stuff wasn't just in the

905
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,360
high end type of products, right, you know that maybe

906
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,599
maybe one of them goes gets into Series two, right

907
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,320
and everything else like that, those type of products that

908
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:32,159
everyone out there can truthfully afford, a lot of these

909
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,960
bigger gimmick type of things end up going into these

910
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,639
transcendent and multi thousand dollars boxes that people have to

911
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,400
honestly bind breakers and other people, other ways to even

912
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,239
have an opportunity to get them. So I think it's

913
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,199
a cool, cool concept, right because realistically, if you see

914
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,360
one of those coming out that it's going to be

915
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,840
game used, it's not going to be manufactured.

916
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: So when you can consider that these players go through

917
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,880
dozens of jerseys and dozens of hats every year, there

918
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,440
are going to be dozens of these gold logo man

919
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:10,960
patches for each one of these players that are going

920
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:15,880
to be out there. And uh, one of the mad

921
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,880
Mike Petty said I'm gonna buy a hat with six

922
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,239
logo men. I wouldn't be surprised. In one of those

923
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,599
high end products like a Transcendent, you might see a

924
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,840
card with six gold logo men on.

925
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,519
Speaker 4: Well remember, uh, remember the old Exquisite when when Upper

926
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:37,679
Deck first lost their license and they made the College Exquisite.

927
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,760
Remember the what was it, sixteen Autos of Jordan on

928
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,559
one booklet, sixteen out of Lebron on one booklet, Like

929
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:46,480
why like a.

930
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: Waste of fifteen stickers?

931
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: I would say I would say those be nice, especially

932
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,159
if on the back of the car it designate the

933
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,880
game that they wore it, and especially if it was

934
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,559
like a historical game when somebody got the cycle or

935
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,519
hit a Grand Slam or something like that, So that

936
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:06,199
would be cool.

937
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:09,559
Speaker 1: Six patches on one side of the booklet, six little

938
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:10,840
hologram stickers.

939
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 4: The Collector's Dreams comments got the other Collector's dream said

940
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,880
in the comment, guys are changing out patches now, They're

941
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,440
not just doing it now. I remember decades ago. Decade ago,

942
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:26,800
remember there were so many people were showing the jumbo

943
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,239
patch cards were really notorious for you know, people taking

944
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,559
it out slightly or whatever, and then when they get

945
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,119
to someone else, you know, people finding on eBay the

946
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,559
actual same serial number card and everything else like that.

947
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,360
You see a really nasty looking patch card and it's

948
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,280
not numbered. It was probably fake and everything. And then

949
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,360
people were seeing the foil on around like where the

950
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,920
patches were were dented in and stuff. So there was

951
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,920
a huge, huge problem about I mean, it was like

952
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twenty twelve type of timeframe and everything that people were

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changing more patches.

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Speaker 2: It one of lebron Uh exquisite patches changed like then

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the ones to ninety nine. It was a one that

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was changed. You don't remember anything about.

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Speaker 4: That, I think, so I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: And then somebody got it graded through Beckett and found

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out like.

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Speaker 4: It's been happened for a long time and people Then

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people are like, well, doesn't matter. Then people people people

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wanted to people want to make the argument, doesn't matter

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if it's not even a real game used jersey anyways,

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So it was just picked up a warmar.

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Speaker 1: And anyways, or it was one of those.

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Speaker 4: Chris remembers, Yeah, mark ingram.

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Speaker 1: With a million like jerseys. Yeah once.

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Speaker 4: I mean remember stuff I used to I used to

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collect patches like that was my thing back in the day.

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I was like the two thousand and eight Premiere Baseball

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to seven Premiere Baseball the patches and those were incredible,

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the dual patches like that. I collected so much of

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that direction and everything. But it is that as an

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argument for another day that people talk about game used event,

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you know, not by a specific player or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, I think you want to put a I

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think we should put a nice big bow on this one. Huh,

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we've gone over an hour. Let's see next week we

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have Logan Ward Sam Oh not.

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Speaker 2: You, Sam, I was fo Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh, someone else and Chris Carlin are going to be here,

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so that should be a pretty good show. Any final thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Sam, The hobby is what you make it.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Just make sure you find your moments to laugh and listen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cards are cards. We put the value in it,

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so have fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex, I'll say it any anytime, I you know,

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sign off anywhere, you know, with these type of things,

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I'll say it. There is someone out there to talk

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to no matter what, whenever what you're going through, what

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may be hard times, maybe good times, you know, reach

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out to someone. My line is all always open, you know.

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My my inbox on Instagram is normally where you can

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find me and everything. If you need just a you know,

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vent you need to, you know, ask a few questions

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about something or you know, some advice or whatever. I'll

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give you whatever I can give you. But someone is

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out there that would wants to see you wake up

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the next day, all right, So always remember like there

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are avenues out there, and don't go down the wrong

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path if you don't need to. And we all love

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you and want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good words to wrap up on. So that's it

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for this week. I want to thank Sam and Alex

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and keep on rocking in the free world, folks, and

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stay hydrated.