Speaker 1: Ready, Get Ready, July twenty five, twenty twenty four, allegedly
Speaker 1: according to that thing we call a calendar, and we
Speaker 1: are live on o'keelly dot com Radio and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff.
Speaker 2: But most of you catch the podcast later on, and
Speaker 2: I'm about five minutes going late to air, So I
Speaker 2: bet a bunch of you decided you're not even gonna
Speaker 2: listen because he's not live tonight. But fooled you anyway,
Speaker 2: Thor's Day, that's what it is, and why not. You know,
Speaker 2: we talked to regular Joe last night and I finally
Speaker 2: finally put out my viewpoint on the madness of late.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to get a regular Joe's thing, and
Speaker 2: tonight we're gonna get to somebody else's ideas about what's happening,
Speaker 2: and I'm definitely going unconventional. Look, you could hear from
Speaker 2: the regular politics political speakers on political show. I'm tripping
Speaker 2: over my tongue, man. Anyways, you can hear about that everywhere.
Speaker 2: Go over to X and they're going live every couple
Speaker 2: of minutes on X Twitter, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: Alex Jones has an emergency broadcast. There's a coup going on.
Speaker 2: They're overthrowing the government. The globalists are read I thought
Speaker 2: the globalists were defeated, aj you know when he went
Speaker 2: live when Trump won, the globalists have been defeated. The
Speaker 2: globalists have been defeated. Well, right now he's having emergency
Speaker 2: broadcast because there's a coup and the assassination attempt, and
Speaker 2: or maybe it was an attempt. Then again, maybe it
Speaker 2: was just a school shooter and it just happened that
Speaker 2: there was no school in session in the Northeast at
Speaker 2: the time. Oh, I know that pisses some of you off,
Speaker 2: but anyway, we're on it. And who's with me tonight?
Speaker 2: Erroneous method? So you want to go unconventional, let's go
Speaker 2: a little more unconventional. How you doing, man?
Speaker 3: I am ecstatic and bumpastic to be here tonight with you,
Speaker 3: Miss check.
Speaker 2: Look, this is great. I've actually meant to hook up
Speaker 2: with you a few more times and we keep missing
Speaker 2: each other. And I don't know what's going on with
Speaker 2: Elon Musk's little platform over there, but something's happening. Not
Speaker 2: sure what it is, but I tried to message you
Speaker 2: on there, and I don't know you weren't getting messages.
Speaker 2: I wasn't getting messages. It's weird. Is there something to
Speaker 2: that or is it just you and me having bad luck?
Speaker 3: No, I believe there's definitely something to that. When I
Speaker 3: pulled it up twice now with your with your test messages,
Speaker 3: it would it would it would show me previous messages
Speaker 3: and then it would show me the new one moments later. Now,
Speaker 3: last time I looked at one of your messages, it
Speaker 3: showed me our old messages and then quickly erased them
Speaker 3: all before my eyes and they were gone. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's weird, weird, weird things happen over there. Yeah, it's strange.
Speaker 3: This time I got it through the email notification. First
Speaker 3: went and saw what you had said in email, then
Speaker 3: went over to X, loaded up the app, and your
Speaker 3: message was not there at all a few moments later
Speaker 3: it appeared. But you know, I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 2: See, and I'm not one of these guys who's paranoid
Speaker 2: going it's the NSA. They're coming after. I don't you
Speaker 2: know what. To me, this is Elon Musk. And you know,
Speaker 2: whatever's going on over there in corporate, you know a
Speaker 2: platform land where you know something's worth billions of dollars,
Speaker 2: even though it doesn't physically exist, which cracks me up
Speaker 2: to no end. I mean, people are spending money every
Speaker 2: day on stuff that doesn't physically exist. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: you can get some of erroneous methods music. You can
Speaker 2: get an MP three that you download from somewhere. I
Speaker 2: miss CDs, man. I know I'm old, but I do
Speaker 2: miss CDs. I miss records, I miss tapes. I miss
Speaker 2: all that stuff when you held something in your hand.
Speaker 3: But I actually I'm with you. As you know, I've
Speaker 3: been a digitally only artist most of my career. In
Speaker 3: early days, we used to rock the CDs and the
Speaker 3: casats and even restords out of the back of our
Speaker 3: cars and stuff. That's how we made our money, right
Speaker 3: talking on the side. But you know they, you know,
Speaker 3: that kind of economy, the hustle at a bar, the
Speaker 3: hustle at a small venue kind of economy got killed
Speaker 3: during COVID here in upstate New York. So it's very
Speaker 3: difficult to kind of like live as a small venue
Speaker 3: artist these days. It really kind of thinks because I
Speaker 3: used to have a name and kind of a recognizable
Speaker 3: faith in the industry, and there is no industry anymore
Speaker 3: around here.
Speaker 2: Right right, and I mean, look, I did it years
Speaker 2: and years ago, and I was selling tapes and believe me,
Speaker 2: that was how we made our money because nobody was
Speaker 2: paying us to play the clubs usually unless we opened
Speaker 2: for a big act and the tickets were super expensive,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's the way we got paid as
Speaker 2: local artists, is you know, can I can I somehow
Speaker 2: make a deal to create a t shirt sell some
Speaker 2: of those, and also here's my cassettes. You know that
Speaker 2: I was recording myself off of a nice mastery. But uh,
Speaker 2: you know what, what were we gonna do? Right? And
Speaker 2: we were selling for three four dollars, hoping to get
Speaker 2: gas money to get back home from wherever the hell
Speaker 2: it was when we were playing. But anyways, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: if people don't recognize you, by the way, if you
Speaker 2: guys have heard Redneck Cherokee on the show, you guys
Speaker 2: might have also heard that weird little piece that that
Speaker 2: mentions me in the song and I play that up
Speaker 2: and on. I forget the name of the song off
Speaker 2: the top of my head. I just loaded into the
Speaker 2: the the auto DJ thing every once in a while,
Speaker 2: and people have heard these odd pieces of music. God,
Speaker 2: what is the name of that I gotta go look.
Speaker 3: The name of that track is method.
Speaker 2: Head method Heads, That's it. And you see and I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here going, I know it's something like similar to
Speaker 2: his name. It's got one of the name, one of
Speaker 2: the words in it. But yeah, so that's the one
Speaker 2: where he says, oh, yeah, I'm talking to my friends.
Speaker 2: I'm a I forget how you put it, but it's
Speaker 2: sad that weird song that goes by where he's what
Speaker 2: what's the first line in that song?
Speaker 3: I think I think I was talking about what. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mentioned Kid that one because it was right after
Speaker 3: that controversy where he like, you had the beer, the
Speaker 3: Butdweiser beer, and there's there was something going on with
Speaker 3: seventy day endorsed an you know, you know one of
Speaker 3: those letter communities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talked about being some kind of strange activist
Speaker 2: and then also shooting bud light cans after Kid Rock
Speaker 2: gets done with them or what. And I was just like,
Speaker 2: that's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember the exact line off the top
Speaker 3: of my head. The other thing about my music is
Speaker 3: I'm very on the fly when I write it, so
Speaker 3: like sometimes if I'm not playing live for a while,
Speaker 3: I forget my own lyrics.
Speaker 2: There, you go, Well, look I did that too. You know,
Speaker 2: some stuff was super memorable because you wind up practicing
Speaker 2: it eighty thousand times. But today, if you don't practice
Speaker 2: to do a live gig and you just record something,
Speaker 2: it's very easy to forget now, you know, unless you're practicing,
Speaker 2: I mean really, unless you're drilling lyrics into your own
Speaker 2: head constantly, why would you memorize them anymore? You move on,
Speaker 2: you create something else, you know. So, and I also
Speaker 2: include you in what I call short attention span DJ theater,
Speaker 2: which happens occasionally, and I play pieces of songs and
Speaker 2: you know, indie artists and corporate artists and some of
Speaker 2: my favorites, and I take requests and I mix all
Speaker 2: kinds of things in. You get clips from TV and
Speaker 2: movies too, uh during that thing, and sound effects and
Speaker 2: just whatever the hell comes into my mind as it
Speaker 2: comes to it ends up being played on there. And
Speaker 2: and you've been added into that as well. So and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna get method heads and play it
Speaker 2: while I got you on too. Uh. But before we're
Speaker 2: done anyway, I want to talk to you a little
Speaker 2: bit about current events, but I'd rather discuss music, and
Speaker 2: maybe we could do it this way. The the events
Speaker 2: of the past month. I'll love if you want to
Speaker 2: put it in the capsule, or if you're tired of
Speaker 2: talking about it, you can skip it. Pick your favorite part.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to talk to me about
Speaker 2: trump Amania, want running wild, or you know exactly how
Speaker 2: melted is Joe Biden's brain. If you want to talk
Speaker 2: to me about the alleged assassination attempt. You heard me
Speaker 2: reference that at the beginning. If you want to go
Speaker 2: into any of this, go right ahead, but I'll just
Speaker 2: leave it open for you, but just be warned. I
Speaker 2: want to go away from it quick and get into
Speaker 2: is that having an influence on your music? So you
Speaker 2: got two things there. Tell me what your impressions are
Speaker 2: of the events so late, and then tell me about
Speaker 2: if that's affecting your art at all.
Speaker 3: So go ahead, yeah, very quickly, because I don't want
Speaker 3: to spend a lot of time on it. I feel
Speaker 3: like the powers that we have learned from the past
Speaker 3: and these kind of major events and they are chucking
Speaker 3: information at us very very quickly, and I think it
Speaker 3: is super important to detach ourselves from what is happening
Speaker 3: in here and now right now and kind of avoid
Speaker 3: it a little bit. It's only there to kind of
Speaker 3: take our our enters away from us. I feel like,
Speaker 3: so let's take a step back and talk about some
Speaker 3: other stuff for a while, because, like you said at
Speaker 3: the beginning, everybody on the planet is actually discussing this
Speaker 3: right now. But take a break. Let's give people a
Speaker 3: pause and talk about some other things. So let's go
Speaker 3: right into the music, because that's where the shift in
Speaker 3: my music is starting to occur, because I'm stepping away
Speaker 3: from rap music and I'm starting to lean towards like
Speaker 3: the blues and country music, which I've always had a
Speaker 3: flair four within erroneous method, but now it's become more
Speaker 3: live action.
Speaker 2: See I was always I did all kinds of music myself.
Speaker 2: I mean everything from hip hop to your basic rot
Speaker 2: gut type blue stuff. I mean, you know, literally minimalist performances.
Speaker 2: I mean I even did readings with just a drum,
Speaker 2: you know, and things like that. I didn't care I
Speaker 2: did all that, But I mean my favorite thing to
Speaker 2: do was metal. I mean I love doing the metal stuff,
Speaker 2: the death metal stuff, the especially when we got into
Speaker 2: the more groove oriented things and get got away from
Speaker 2: the death metal where it was like the jeez, I
Speaker 2: don't even know where to put it. People used to
Speaker 2: compare me to Max Cavallera a lot because of my sound.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, but that wasn't really the big thing it
Speaker 2: was to me. It was I was heavily influenced by
Speaker 2: Black Sabbath and Motorhead, And you know, I always wanted
Speaker 2: to make statements with the lyrics and the music, right
Speaker 2: because there's a mood and a tone that you set,
Speaker 2: and all of that is laid out so that you
Speaker 2: create an atmosphere and then you make a statement over
Speaker 2: it with your lyrical content, or at least as the
Speaker 2: way I viewed it, and I still love to do
Speaker 2: it once in a while, but I don't collaborate with
Speaker 2: too many people, and I've only got a couple of instruments,
Speaker 2: and you know, but I will do things from time
Speaker 2: to time, and I create music just for the radio
Speaker 2: network and that kind of thing here and there. But
Speaker 2: I mean, how is it What kind of statement would
Speaker 2: anybody try to make it this point? I mean, it's
Speaker 2: such a weird, toxic brew to where, you know, there's
Speaker 2: people that are say, you know, that were YouTube stars
Speaker 2: for a little bit and are TikTok stars now that
Speaker 2: came out with little catchy things. I mean, whoever it
Speaker 2: is that that created that baby shark thing probably made
Speaker 2: a mint somehow, and I'm not even sure how. Okay,
Speaker 2: but that's obviously part of the regular garbage that's out there.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about the pop garbage. I
Speaker 2: mean that is well, literally that is popular culture, but
Speaker 2: it's not even pop music. It was just a weird
Speaker 2: little niche thing that happened, right, But there's been a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of that kind of stuff, weird little niches.
Speaker 2: And some of these people that are sort of like
Speaker 2: social media stars, who you know, unless they decide to
Speaker 2: go into boxing, they might be music stars. You know,
Speaker 2: Jake Paul's a boxer now. But I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: weird landscape. So is it even worth it to try
Speaker 2: and make the profund statement the big you know? I mean,
Speaker 2: some people want to speak about anti war and it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily on their minds so much lately because that's
Speaker 2: all been sanitized, so people aren't making anti war statements. Uh,
Speaker 2: social statements are confusing and you know, there's that, and
Speaker 2: then there's just shake your ass and that's all there
Speaker 2: is to it. And you know, and of course the
Speaker 2: regular bling bling and the hip hop where it's just
Speaker 2: like yeah, I'm this and I'm that, and it's all
Speaker 2: the braggadocious. But I mean, what statement is left to
Speaker 2: make at this point? I mean, is there something that
Speaker 2: profoundly is sitting out there going, man, this is the
Speaker 2: thing I need to speak to or do you have
Speaker 2: an idea about that? Or is that where you're really
Speaker 2: pivoting it back?
Speaker 3: No, I think you're hitting the nail on the head
Speaker 3: and the idea that like. Okay, So as a erroneous method,
Speaker 3: I came out and I wanted to do something different. Right.
Speaker 3: I had been a ghost producer, I had been a
Speaker 3: folly music maker. I had done my time in the industry.
Speaker 3: I got paid cash dollars to turn out album after
Speaker 3: album and then hear little pieces of my sounds in
Speaker 3: actual hit songs. So when I decided I'm going independent,
Speaker 3: I got kind of blackballed, but from everybody I knew
Speaker 3: in any kind of real industry, and I started to like, go, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's time to come home and make my own music,
Speaker 3: my own way. So I decided to say, like what
Speaker 3: am I going to make music about it? Right? And
Speaker 3: nobody was making conspiracy theory rap up time. There was
Speaker 3: like he's al automatic. That was probably the only guy
Speaker 3: I know that was doing any kind of like conspiracy.
Speaker 3: And that was actually a little later, so you know, yeah, nobody.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody was around really like maybe a
Speaker 3: Mortal Technique, you know, like but they were on the left.
Speaker 3: Nobody was doing it in this kind of like libertarian
Speaker 3: freethinking freedom space.
Speaker 2: Well see that Paydemon Santo. Wait a minute, yeah, Paydemon
Speaker 2: Santo went in that direction for a minute. Then he
Speaker 2: started confusing me. And I used to pay on the
Speaker 2: show all the time. I love Payday, I love Immortal Technique,
Speaker 2: and I definitely love Diesel, but and I love all
Speaker 2: those guys. But I mean there were people out there
Speaker 2: doing it. There was a guy named Raven Mad out
Speaker 2: of Canada, and yeah, I mean there were guys, but
Speaker 2: they just a lot of them came and went. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think Payday is still out there making stuff. He
Speaker 2: had a personal thing going on for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Uh and then he came back and I haven't been
Speaker 2: in touch with him a bit, but he's probably been
Speaker 2: on my show like ten fifteen times. Diesel keeps promising
Speaker 2: to come on my show and doesn't. But but the
Speaker 2: thing is, I appreciate these guys. I always did. And
Speaker 2: there was a group of them for a while. Some
Speaker 2: of them were on the left, true, but some of
Speaker 2: them I don't know. Diesel, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: would consider him lefty exactly, because that didn't used to
Speaker 2: be leftist, I mean, speaking against the prison industrial complex, you.
Speaker 3: Know, definitely, Yeah, I wouldn't consider him left or you
Speaker 3: know those guys, Uh, those guys all kind of came
Speaker 3: out on the other side, but yeah, that would say
Speaker 3: he's automatic. Right during the pandemic, he made a whole
Speaker 3: song kind of speaking out against the absurdity of you know,
Speaker 3: maps and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, no, and those guys did that stuff
Speaker 2: at the time. And you know, like I said, Payday
Speaker 2: confused me for a little bit. But that's a guy
Speaker 2: who's got a massive volume of stuff. And I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, missiles with Relish and uh and and all that.
Speaker 2: I mean I love the song Sharks for sure, and
Speaker 2: even a lot of his earlier stuff that you know
Speaker 2: had had to do with nine to eleven and that
Speaker 2: I mean he's actually been around a while.
Speaker 3: Uh for sure. Yeah, yeah that Actually I think I
Speaker 3: heard his stuff on a mixtape with the Immortal Technique
Speaker 3: stuff like two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that would make sense, that would make sense. Anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but so you're
Speaker 2: saying there's kind of this open space though you think
Speaker 2: for libertarian but you know they got the blue dress.
Speaker 3: You know. My idea was, I was listening to a
Speaker 3: lot of these podcasts, as you know, I was familiar
Speaker 3: with your work. I was listening to probably the first
Speaker 3: guy I found was like Tim foil Hat, Chris Matthew,
Speaker 3: Charlie Robinson. So I was listening to a lot of
Speaker 3: that stuff, and it was I had been around since
Speaker 3: the you know, two thousand and SHIX was when I
Speaker 3: started rapping, and I'd always had somewhat of a conspiracy lean.
Speaker 3: I'd always talked about nine to eleven since the early days,
Speaker 3: in the underground days, but I never really got dove
Speaker 3: into too many other things. Just JFPN nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: That was like my wheelhouse. That was what I was
Speaker 3: talking about back then and at some point probably around
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, late in twenty nineteen early twenty twenty, I
Speaker 3: started to shift into a harder conspiracy line because of
Speaker 3: all the things I was listening to. And then during
Speaker 3: you know, the pandemic, that was when I went hard,
Speaker 3: you know, I started to kind of fight back a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: No, and it makes sense, you know, And that was
Speaker 2: another thing that during the pandemic, a lot artists sort
Speaker 2: of collapsed because you know, some of them were dependent
Speaker 2: upon going out there and being in front of an
Speaker 2: audience and that was gone. There were tours canceled, you know,
Speaker 2: all that weirdness. I had those guys, oh man, three
Speaker 2: teeth on here, weird sort of like Marilyn Manson ish
Speaker 2: kind of band uh, But they were speaking to that
Speaker 2: end of the of the pool, and they they lost
Speaker 2: their tours, they lost everything, and I'm like, man, you
Speaker 2: know a lot of these artists that were going to
Speaker 2: go around and again, the industry is already challenged because
Speaker 2: of the digital age, and that was a blow that
Speaker 2: it just didn't need. And meanwhile, I don't even want
Speaker 2: to prop up the industry. I just want the artists
Speaker 2: to at least be able to get some of the
Speaker 2: scraps that they could get for creating the things that
Speaker 2: we actually cared about. But anyway, back to this, so
Speaker 2: you got your mentality changing, and but but how is
Speaker 2: it effectively changing now? I mean you're saying, Okay, I
Speaker 2: want to go back more to the roots of the music. Obviously,
Speaker 2: hip hop's got its roots, you know, all over the place.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's like trying to grow mint in
Speaker 2: your front yard. It's going to be everywhere.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. The six professional
Speaker 3: albums I did doing hip hop were the statement, right
Speaker 3: I said what I mean to say. There's some underground
Speaker 3: stuff out there. You can have four or five extra
Speaker 3: albums out there. But when it comes to like conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory and music, I feel like I put a bow
Speaker 3: on it twice over and it's time to move on, right,
Speaker 3: So so take a step back, and like you said,
Speaker 3: I wanted it back to the roots. I want to
Speaker 3: kind of like find blues, find all these upon, all
Speaker 3: these kind of metal eaves and all these things I
Speaker 3: played when I was younger, and all these bands, and
Speaker 3: we toured and we had a great time. And the
Speaker 3: key component to that is other people right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean that you have to have other people.
Speaker 3: And that's where I think again, the industry has kind
Speaker 3: of faltered a little where people aren't getting the.
Speaker 2: Making new bands, no no and voluntary enforcement, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, people are social distancing even without the social distancing.
Speaker 2: And I think Electronica, see this is the funny part
Speaker 2: is that when I started playing music, it was the
Speaker 2: late eighties, right, and there were guys it was fear
Speaker 2: of the drum machine, you know, where it was like
Speaker 2: this stuff is going to all be automated. And I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot of backlash to Trent
Speaker 2: Reznor initially when when he was you know, coming out
Speaker 2: with his stuff and you know, nine Inch Nails was
Speaker 2: brand new. People were like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 2: all you know, manufactured noise and noise tracks and drum
Speaker 2: tracks from a machine, and they're not going to need
Speaker 2: people anymore. And it's weird because everybody got off of
Speaker 2: that and let it go. And then it seems like
Speaker 2: Electronica said, yeah, hold my beer, cause we're gonna give
Speaker 2: you every single tool you could possibly want so that
Speaker 2: you're an isolated artist alone. So the guy that had
Speaker 2: to go through a whole bunch of nonsense and fight
Speaker 2: with his band eighty times before he decides to become
Speaker 2: a solo artist. Now starts as a solo artist all
Speaker 2: by himself in his bedroom with you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of good programs.
Speaker 3: And that's not you know, it's kind of how it began, right.
Speaker 3: I had a band, right where, a hip hop group,
Speaker 3: and somebody needed to make the beats at some point,
Speaker 3: So here we go, I make the beats.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I had to learn all that right originally, and for
Speaker 3: the most part, and throughout most of my career, hardware,
Speaker 3: you know, actual you know, drum machines and stuff, classic stuff, right,
Speaker 3: But at some point I had to go to these
Speaker 3: computer programs that have everything in front of you, and
Speaker 3: they're kind of while they have all the sounds, while
Speaker 3: they have all the fields, they are soulless in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways. You lose something in the music at
Speaker 3: some point, and that's kind of what. I went back
Speaker 3: and I listened to all these buildings that I created,
Speaker 3: and originally I felt really good about it, and I
Speaker 3: didn't feel that about him when I when I was
Speaker 3: done later, you know, I went back, I listened again,
Speaker 3: and I was like, ah, this one's not so good,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I felt I found the
Speaker 3: fault points and I want to create like live music again,
Speaker 3: because there's there's something about the humanity and just playing
Speaker 3: with your buddies and creating something new.
Speaker 2: Right, And and that's a weird thing too, because even
Speaker 2: you know, Payde Mon Santos calling me up at three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning at one point, and why he's
Speaker 2: excited because he's got a guitar in his hand, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, you know, and pretty much every
Speaker 2: instrument he picked up he could do something with it.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that about him, Like
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff you here recorded, and and
Speaker 2: even when he loops it together, he might loop stuff together,
Speaker 2: but he actually plays instruments and create stuff. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I mean, I did the
Speaker 3: same thing, where like I create my loops a lot
Speaker 3: of time, we actual guitars, you know. Like it's that
Speaker 3: it's rare. You don't find a lot of hip hop
Speaker 3: artists that'll do that these days.
Speaker 2: No, no, but it but it does leave the soul
Speaker 2: in and it's because of these very minor imperfections. See
Speaker 2: that's the thing. The computer creates something that is Nothing
Speaker 2: is ever perfect, but I mean damn close to it.
Speaker 2: You know, the exact tones, the the you know, the
Speaker 2: the reverb, the diminished chord, all that stuff goes at
Speaker 2: the same rate, and yeah, you create something that sounds
Speaker 2: very symmetrically solid. But again it lacks those little things,
Speaker 2: that little that little extra buzz on the string that
Speaker 2: only happened the one time in the studio, that extra
Speaker 2: click on the rim of the drum that wasn't intended,
Speaker 2: that just happened to drop in there. And then the
Speaker 2: engineer says, you know what, I'm gonna turn that noise
Speaker 2: up and it becomes a sound of its own, you know,
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. People don't necessarily recognize that anymore.
Speaker 2: And you know, again, I know, I'm the old man
Speaker 2: going I want Mario old music, you know, and I
Speaker 2: want to get off my lawn. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: but there's something to this where there was a soul
Speaker 2: to the music with the imperfections, don't you agree?
Speaker 3: Such, yes, I fully agree, And I've come around to
Speaker 3: that decision in like such a roundabout way. I used
Speaker 3: to kind of fight against that argument and go like no,
Speaker 3: and I could do it all on my own. I
Speaker 3: don't need anybody. And at some point and maybe that
Speaker 3: was maybe that was being like isolated because I am
Speaker 3: here in upstate New York and and you know, the
Speaker 3: last few years hit us really hard. Here are people
Speaker 3: shut their businesses down. Everything was different. It became very
Speaker 3: dare I say, gentrified. Billionaires came through and now you see,
Speaker 3: you know, like yachts and airplanes flying into my little city.
Speaker 3: It's kind of strange, but that is part of why
Speaker 3: the music has changed for me. Also, the people I've
Speaker 3: been talking to, it's people like you, Chuck, and people
Speaker 3: like you know, like at Jason Barker a Knights of
Speaker 3: the Storm. I talked to him a lot. I had
Speaker 3: a conversation with him and an artist named Lindell. It
Speaker 3: was a concert pianist and she was talking about just
Speaker 3: going out and go wild and making music right. And
Speaker 3: I decided to do that. One day, I took my
Speaker 3: banjo out and I hadn't played my danjo in probably
Speaker 3: sixty years, and I kept there just jamming by the
Speaker 3: railroad tracks, and before too long, there were like five
Speaker 3: or six people just huddled around me that were going
Speaker 3: out for walks listening to me play, and it was
Speaker 3: like a really good feeling to be out there naturally
Speaker 3: and have naturally drawn a crowd around me. It was different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another thing that again is now missing
Speaker 2: in a lot of places, and upstate New York not
Speaker 2: the best place for it. But you know, I lived
Speaker 2: in New York City for a bit. I lived in
Speaker 2: Jersey and New York City most of my life. I've
Speaker 2: been got almost ten years in the South now, but
Speaker 2: I mean before that, that's where I was. And even
Speaker 2: if I was flat broke, right, I could sit down
Speaker 2: with a guitar somewhere, open up my case and make
Speaker 2: enough money to go get something to eat, you know,
Speaker 2: or put myself up the night if I needed to.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was, I could do that. Or I could
Speaker 2: take out the acoustic base, sit down with another guy.
Speaker 2: We could make it more interesting, and who knows, maybe
Speaker 2: somebody else would come along with a couple of five
Speaker 2: gallon paint drums and sit down and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden we got percussion too. And you know, we used
Speaker 2: to just do this impromptu in the parks, on street
Speaker 2: corners and stuff. And I mean, you could do it
Speaker 2: a little bit in Jersey City, but New York was
Speaker 2: definitely the place to do it. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I could take that somewhere else. If I was in
Speaker 2: Ohio and we needed gas money, we could just take
Speaker 2: over a corner for a little while till the cops
Speaker 2: broke it up and you know, make our gas money
Speaker 2: to at least get the hell out of Ohio. You know,
Speaker 2: might have to sit down again in Pittsburgh to do it.
Speaker 2: But it's okay. That spirit, that sort of vagabond era
Speaker 2: seems to be over, you know. I know you said
Speaker 2: you just did it with a banjo, not long, but
Speaker 2: I mean, who's doing that anymore? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Not, it isn't It isn't. I don't know. I was
Speaker 3: just recently in Washington, DC, back in January, and it
Speaker 3: was cold as hell, and I was talking to this
Speaker 3: local guy and he tells me, you know, it's the
Speaker 3: coldest January record, which is latest, because the last time
Speaker 3: I was in DC, like twenty years ago, they told
Speaker 3: me it was the coldest January records. Anyway, walking down
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania Avenue and there is a homeless black guy with
Speaker 3: a guitar and a tiny little battery lamp and he
Speaker 3: is just ripping the star spangled banner better than any
Speaker 3: Jimmy Hendrix I'd ever heard. And I just stood there mesmerized,
Speaker 3: and like, this is a Maratha. I'm in the shadow
Speaker 3: of the White House and this guy is just busting
Speaker 3: for his change, and not one of the Secret Service
Speaker 3: guys was coming over to break it up. It was Drake, right.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know it's there. You just
Speaker 3: have to go to the right places, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guarantee you it's you know, it is
Speaker 2: definitely a smaller a thing that it used to be,
Speaker 2: though it used to be large, you know, oh for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, most street corners on most cities in America, I
Speaker 3: mean Rochester, New York, which is the big city near
Speaker 3: where I'm from. Uh, you know, you could always find
Speaker 3: that always, and it's not a thing anymore there. It's
Speaker 3: gotten very clamped down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only place I didn't see it where I
Speaker 2: went to play was Buffalo. Actually, all in the northeast
Speaker 2: Buffalo didn't have it. And you know, but but they
Speaker 2: were remarkable because I mean I thought for sure that
Speaker 2: when we showed up there, we were gonna have a
Speaker 2: canceled show. You know, because we get there in the
Speaker 2: afternoon and we got to play that night and there
Speaker 2: was tons of snow on the ground and I said,
Speaker 2: oh man, you know, I'm thinking other parts of Jersey
Speaker 2: or Pennsylvania and New York. There's no way there's going
Speaker 2: to be a show. And uh yeah. They were like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: just hold on, you'll see. And people came out of
Speaker 2: it would work and they you know, they actually cleared.
Speaker 2: They get on with life in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I grew up in the Buffalo punk team,
Speaker 3: you know, because I'm from I'm from canaanday to New York.
Speaker 3: That's my city. But you know, you know, when you're
Speaker 3: from Kennanagua, you go to Rochester, you go to Syracuse,
Speaker 3: you go to Buffalo. So those are the places we
Speaker 3: go to see music. And you know, each one is
Speaker 3: about an hour to an hour and a half two
Speaker 3: hours away. So we go to Buffalo for the night.
Speaker 3: We go to these little clubs and bars and these
Speaker 3: punk stands, you know, and same thing, you know, the
Speaker 3: splore for the snow and you wait in line for
Speaker 3: an hour in the in the zero degree, whether nobody
Speaker 3: has a cote on because they're all punks and trying
Speaker 3: to tough it out. Yeah, it's a relentless place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's hilarious. And I definitely I mean I
Speaker 2: was there in the mid nineties like that, and it
Speaker 2: was just it was hysterical. I did not believe that
Speaker 2: we were going to have a show. And then the
Speaker 2: place got almost packed, you know. But again, there was
Speaker 2: a bunch of little bars. I mean, it was a
Speaker 2: cool scene. But they didn't have a street corner scene
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. I didn't see none of that. But they
Speaker 2: came out and they definitely got indoors. And you know,
Speaker 2: I don't blame them. That mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I say, they got the street coat in the winter
Speaker 3: in Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because look I jumped out. Look they used to
Speaker 2: stick me because I can't drive because of my bad eyesight,
Speaker 2: and they used to stick me in the back of
Speaker 2: the box truck with the equipment, right, and uh so
Speaker 2: I come out of the back of the box truck,
Speaker 2: I jump out and like I'm up to my waist
Speaker 2: in a snow drift, like instantly, and I'm going there
Speaker 2: is no way we're gonna play, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the bartender probably couldn't get into work, man,
Speaker 2: there's no way, and we did so, but I can
Speaker 2: see what you can't stand. You stand on the street corner.
Speaker 2: You know they'll dig you out next spring. I mean,
Speaker 2: it ain't gonna work. So yeah. Anyways, But to this pivot, right,
Speaker 2: there's there's more to it because usually you try and
Speaker 2: capture something personal. Obviously, when you're are constructing these things
Speaker 2: and you want to give something personal back out, you're
Speaker 2: usually turning something out. It could be you know, recycling
Speaker 2: your pain. It could be speaking, you know, of pride
Speaker 2: or of something like that. There's a lot of different
Speaker 2: things that move you to create something. But to me,
Speaker 2: it's like the world is so strange at this point
Speaker 2: and so polarized. Okay, unless you're there to serve up
Speaker 2: one of these you know, prescribed polarized sort of things,
Speaker 2: it just seems weird to me, Like, is anybody going
Speaker 2: to create something new? Is anybody going to speak from
Speaker 2: a personal point of view that isn't already laid out
Speaker 2: by somebody else at this point? I know I keep
Speaker 2: asking the same question in the different forms, but I mean,
Speaker 2: where are you going? What is the thing that you
Speaker 2: need to express as an artist? Now?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah. Right now, I've gone through so much personal
Speaker 3: turmoil that I feel like that has to come out
Speaker 3: of me. Like you know, in the last few years,
Speaker 3: like I've matured as a human being. Right, You come
Speaker 3: into your own in your late thirties, you start to
Speaker 3: look back at your life, You start to look at
Speaker 3: your mistakes, you make new mistakes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I got in trouble for the first time in my
Speaker 3: life recently. I never had any kind of record or
Speaker 3: had to go to court. And you know, it's just
Speaker 3: little things you do that make you reflect. And so
Speaker 3: for me again, like you said, pain, revelation of pain
Speaker 3: is very important to me, and that's where the blues
Speaker 3: have kind of come into my soul and like slipped
Speaker 3: out of me. With my friends lately, we just sit
Speaker 3: down a porch and jam these things, and you know,
Speaker 3: we're building something, we're making, we're making something new.
Speaker 2: It's going to.
Speaker 3: Change, it's going to be different. But as an artist,
Speaker 3: I feel like personal revelation is the most important part
Speaker 3: of being an artist. And I feel like I reviewed
Speaker 3: myself a lot through the early erroneous method stuff and
Speaker 3: the hip hop, but ultimately it is a crafted song.
Speaker 3: Each time you make something, you're making it with a
Speaker 3: very specific in tank. You're trying to sell a subject,
Speaker 3: You're trying to sell an idea, and with the Blues
Speaker 3: you're just relinquishing your pain. You know. It is the
Speaker 3: revelation of the method through the ideology of suffering.
Speaker 2: That is a great thought. Look, I'm gonna give people
Speaker 2: a little example of your work because it's one of
Speaker 2: the things I have here, and we're gonna just kind
Speaker 2: of cut our mics and take a breath because I
Speaker 2: know you guys have heard this on the network more
Speaker 2: than once. But maybe i'll play maybe the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Let's see, it's only two and a half minutes. Uh,
Speaker 2: method Heads is only two and a half minutes. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play the whole thing on o'chelly dot com
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to the artists who made it so
Speaker 2: perfect timing right here, and uh got to let them know.
Speaker 2: I'm bringing all.
Speaker 3: Shot, lucking care rots the ball up the Duck Show.
Speaker 4: I'm bringing all shot lock them care rots at the
Speaker 4: lot at the Draft Show. I've only just method the
Speaker 4: world's worst professional pool tip them like it's two dollars
Speaker 4: something in Becker's back on tour.
Speaker 2: You never really.
Speaker 4: Wanted me anyway. Ulcohol turns me into your enemies. I'm
Speaker 4: go send me stand with some annaty. I used to
Speaker 4: think that bottle was the remedy, picked it up once
Speaker 4: or twice after I let it go, but finally had to.
Speaker 2: Let it be.
Speaker 4: I used to roll with the five dead she would
Speaker 4: give me and left timpers and literacy.
Speaker 2: I mean literally, I figure I'm the letter. We all
Speaker 2: want chances week except what San learned the letter Go.
Speaker 2: We learned the letter go.
Speaker 3: Oh it take trouble. I think it okay.
Speaker 4: They have a couple heroes.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 2: If fair flaws, I won't have stayed sober with our
Speaker 2: hand trip is zero.
Speaker 4: I'm talking to Chris Grays on the podlad he's talking to.
Speaker 2: Charlie Robinson on the pods. The people he influenced influence
Speaker 2: me work. Chuck o'chelly, Sorry, I haven't doney gay. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give you those beats.
Speaker 4: But we the people's influence like drops of water in
Speaker 4: the sea, and it's sad and so plain. The seed
Speaker 4: that latanly, the powers that beat, they've taken corruption to
Speaker 4: incompatibility with regathering. I got no problem with the conspiracy
Speaker 4: becoming in industry as.
Speaker 2: Long as we stay hard.
Speaker 4: I'm fat it's bright, no fallacy, go forth with no madness,
Speaker 4: casually ghost produced for years stacking up that wise Wolf gold,
Speaker 4: Ain't you average g I'm a bastard with no mask?
Speaker 4: But the met that had had one long.
Speaker 2: Before the ronas and don't get mad at me.
Speaker 3: Get ready.
Speaker 2: So that one went a little short method heads there,
Speaker 2: but you got the point. That's a different piece of music,
Speaker 2: for sure. What would you even call that? Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that hip hop? Is that? What is going on there?
Speaker 3: I don't think at that point, I was like, really
Speaker 3: that the spiders that there. I was listening to a
Speaker 3: lot of deck and I think that guy kind of
Speaker 3: seeks into the background of.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well I almost yeah, yeah, I get that,
Speaker 2: like it's almost like two turntables in a microphone, but
Speaker 2: he forgot to throw in the drug. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's pretty but it's cool, I I and of course
Speaker 2: I get a shout out in there too, but uh,
Speaker 2: but it's just funny to me that, like you know
Speaker 2: that you had that that sort of loose methodology, and
Speaker 2: then there's these little rifts in there, and it just
Speaker 2: kind of drops and moves and I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting fluid kind of movement there. And
Speaker 2: that's what's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, weird cut in the middle with the guitar break. Yeah,
Speaker 3: listen to that again since I made it a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different, right, definitely, definitely, And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you send me some more stuff, we'll play it on
Speaker 2: the network on the DJ shows or even breaks whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, as long as I got your permission to
Speaker 2: use it, I'll use it. But you know, it's uh,
Speaker 2: it's really interesting, man, and I look forward to see
Speaker 2: what it is you're gonna put out soon. I know
Speaker 2: you went through again. I don't know if you want
Speaker 2: to talk about it, but you went through you know,
Speaker 2: personal up people like you were saying, Uh, at one point,
Speaker 2: you kind of sent me a message where you were like, look,
Speaker 2: you know, I lost a lot of stuff and I
Speaker 2: kind of have to change my home situation and everything,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, and I was like a little
Speaker 2: worried about you there. And uh then when you came
Speaker 2: back around, so you know, I obviously got back up
Speaker 2: on your feet.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, it's still it's still kind of an ongoing process.
Speaker 3: How a lot of things have are still in motion
Speaker 3: with all of that, and uh, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I I've never tried to be any kind of role model,
Speaker 3: specifically because some finds you falter as a human being
Speaker 3: and make mistakes, and I've done a lot of that
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. But yes, I am
Speaker 3: trying to pull myself back out of like, uh the
Speaker 3: ashes of the mess that I made for myself with
Speaker 3: my life and and the people around me made for
Speaker 3: myself with my life. So ye, not that, not that
Speaker 3: I get too into it, but yeah, you know, I've
Speaker 3: gone through a flood. I was living in a storage
Speaker 3: unit and all my stuff flooded, and uh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm finally found a place and like kind of pulled
Speaker 3: myself back together, got a better job, so a physical job,
Speaker 3: because you know, I can't I can't really make the
Speaker 3: money off the music like I used to. I used
Speaker 3: to just do music a full time career and it's
Speaker 3: not not really a thing up here, but you know,
Speaker 3: I'm pushing forward. And I started my podcast, which is
Speaker 3: Shut Up Joel, and you can find that on pretty
Speaker 3: much all the podcast apps and you can also find
Speaker 3: that on like Chasing Barker's Nicely to the Storm website.
Speaker 3: Nice to Thestorm dot com. He's got a nice little
Speaker 3: section with always affiliated podcasts. So that's that's kind of
Speaker 3: like just questioning the world, questioning different people with different ideas,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 2: Been a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: It's had a lot of really cool guests on different
Speaker 3: people from me the alternative thinking community. And I'm getting
Speaker 3: ready to wrap that up soon or at least go
Speaker 3: on a hiatus for a while.
Speaker 2: Okay, but but they'll still be able to get those
Speaker 2: things like if you get the past episodes, is there
Speaker 2: a website for yep, I.
Speaker 3: Don't have a personal website for if you can get
Speaker 3: on all the podcast streams just shut up, Joel. But
Speaker 3: the website that you can that there is a link
Speaker 3: to is Night of the Storm dot com.
Speaker 2: Night of the Storm dot Com, which of course is
Speaker 2: the whole thing about mister Knight's show there. Uh you know,
Speaker 2: I was actually yeah, yeah, and he's an interesting guy, David,
Speaker 2: and I was kind of it was funny when him
Speaker 2: and I sat down to have a conversation. I forget
Speaker 2: did I have him? I think I had him on
Speaker 2: my show. But but there there there was a little
Speaker 2: back and forth there and it was fascinating. And a
Speaker 2: bunch of those guys that do the Nights of the
Speaker 2: Storm thing, uh have been really interesting. I was talking
Speaker 2: to a bunch of them for a bit there, Wash Geez,
Speaker 2: the one guy what is he Angry Tiger or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Angry Tiger. Yeah, at Jason, those guys that kind of
Speaker 3: got my start with in the podcasting industry when I
Speaker 3: was first really green. They kind of took me on
Speaker 3: and were like, let's do some episodes. And you know,
Speaker 3: I actually had a lot of like personal revelations with
Speaker 3: those guys. They pulled things on to me that I've
Speaker 3: never really talked about on some of those like addiction
Speaker 3: episodes that we did.
Speaker 2: So they were a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: There's still a lot of fun to talk to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, an addiction is a subject that you know, sadly,
Speaker 2: it's not just in the alternative community, so to speak,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's it's ubiquitous. I mean it is.
Speaker 2: It is completely overrunning the country in one way or another,
Speaker 2: in one wave or another. I find it fascinating that
Speaker 2: people are so hung up on the opioid crisis, you know,
Speaker 2: in the past few years, because to me, the opioid
Speaker 2: crisis has not gone away since the nineteen seventies. And
Speaker 2: the only reason why I start counting theirs because that's
Speaker 2: when I was born, you know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean yeah, if you really look at
Speaker 3: the history of opio this is something was brought over
Speaker 3: in the you know, the eighteen hundreds from China, and
Speaker 3: it's it's been here ever since, very heavily.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, absolutely, And I mean and I'm one
Speaker 2: of these guys. I mean I did. I did a
Speaker 2: few episodes on that that that kind of blew people's
Speaker 2: minds because you know, at a certain point, I had
Speaker 2: to prove myself useful as a street level kid. And
Speaker 2: how did I do it? Well, the manufacturer and distribution
Speaker 2: of various chemicals. Uh, what's how I did it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And literally I was I was whacking you know, I
Speaker 2: was whacking up packages at the age of nine, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. This, this is the kind of
Speaker 2: kid I was because I had to survive. And I
Speaker 2: call that, you know, parts of the invisible American reality
Speaker 2: because parts of America are invisible. Why are they invisible?
Speaker 2: Because nobody wants to see it, and a whole lot
Speaker 2: of people act like they don't. And truthfully, these things
Speaker 2: occur in the same space in your town, in your
Speaker 2: very same you know, apartment complexes and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: right next door to people who think, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: in a good neighborhood. This is a law abiding citizen.
Speaker 2: This is and there is another reality always going on
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, so to speak, you know. And so
Speaker 2: it's the invisible part of America. And we live in
Speaker 2: a weird time where even the California governor is now
Speaker 2: making a declaration today I think about, you know, moving
Speaker 2: homeless encampments around and things like this, and it's funny
Speaker 2: because again I remember that as a battle from all
Speaker 2: the time when I was a kid. I have been
Speaker 2: homeless more than once in my life. And again, it's
Speaker 2: one of those things that people want to ignore and
Speaker 2: otherwise and that's it, you know. They don't want to
Speaker 2: treat it like it's part of what's going on in
Speaker 2: this country, and you know what it has been. It
Speaker 2: is and it will continue to be until you know,
Speaker 2: certain inequities are addressed. Anyways, but people blame other people
Speaker 2: a lot of times for the circumstances that quite frankly,
Speaker 2: are almost inescapable. And why am I talking about this
Speaker 2: because addiction is one of those things. How you don't
Speaker 2: wind up on a chemical in our culture at this
Speaker 2: point is a miracle, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: one of those things that you almost can't avoid because
Speaker 2: either a doctor's gonna shove it down your throat, or
Speaker 2: you're gonna seek to find escape at some point, or
Speaker 2: you're gonna find that you have a chronic condition you
Speaker 2: need to address. And the mentality, whether it's the above
Speaker 2: boards America and the DEA endorsed you know, prescription pad
Speaker 2: that you get something written on, or it is your
Speaker 2: you know, street level pharmaceutical consultant. You can find drugs everywhere.
Speaker 2: That's just our culture at this point. So you know,
Speaker 2: nobody escapes as far as I'm concerned, because if you're
Speaker 2: not hooked on something, you know, people that are you
Speaker 2: definitely do. And I don't mean just you, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm using the general you. Yeah, yeah, welcome to America.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, welcome to America. Are you high yet?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just what we do. I mean,
Speaker 2: we put it in our drinks, we put it in
Speaker 2: our food there is nothing but junk for every kind
Speaker 2: of junkie here in America. But anyway, enough for that soapbox.
Speaker 2: My point is that we have a reality that a
Speaker 2: lot of people want to ignore. They want to selectively
Speaker 2: embrace it. And that's the reason why comedians and musicians
Speaker 2: and people that really do create something that speaks from
Speaker 2: their soul, from their experience one way or another. This
Speaker 2: is why that stuff is valuable. A lot of people say,
Speaker 2: you know, entertainment is just junk, and you know what,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of junk for the junkie, yes always, but
Speaker 2: there are legitimate things that are being created and are
Speaker 2: meant to, you know, relate something to someone that they
Speaker 2: might not have previously understood. And there's a lot of
Speaker 2: ways to go about it. And I love the fact
Speaker 2: that you're going more for the direct approach and you
Speaker 2: want to get into the blues. Probably you know, this
Speaker 2: is not the end of your journey in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form. It's just another one of those sort
Speaker 2: of through lines that you're gonna find on your path,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So anyways, again, shut up,
Speaker 2: Joel is the podcast, Erroneous Method is the artist, and
Speaker 2: I'll I'll just turn it over to you to kind
Speaker 2: of give people a final thought if you like, for tonight.
Speaker 2: Unless there's something else you want to touch on, you know,
Speaker 2: by all means, go ahead, But otherwise we'll get done
Speaker 2: with this. And I think this is a conversation that
Speaker 2: should at least get some people thinking a little bit
Speaker 2: about some things, and hopefully not about the same things
Speaker 2: that everybody else in the world right now is pretty
Speaker 2: much discussing. Notice I didn't use the name Joe Biden
Speaker 2: during this entire discussion. I didn't say did I say Trump?
Speaker 2: Did I say Trump? I might have said Trump, But anyway,
Speaker 2: trump Amania is running wild.
Speaker 3: We know that.
Speaker 2: Okay, trump Amania is run and wild. Hulk Hogan is
Speaker 2: the man. I know, I know, I know, and yes,
Speaker 2: Kamala will save you all. But you know, anyhow, my friend,
Speaker 2: erroneous method, go ahead, man, the floor is absolutely yours
Speaker 2: to do with what you want.
Speaker 3: Well, I would love for you guys to check out
Speaker 3: my collection of music. It's out there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You can find it on pretty much anything. You can
Speaker 3: buy or download music from Apple Music. I am happily
Speaker 3: Shadow band. Just remember that it's erroneous method e r
Speaker 3: r OH and e oh us Method. Please down those
Speaker 3: those first six albums, because it really is all about
Speaker 3: these alternate realities that we find ourselves in, and there
Speaker 3: can be more than one, there can be more than two.
Speaker 3: People can find themselves in bubbles of time and space
Speaker 3: and lost to their own cyclone of ideas, and that's
Speaker 3: exactly what the music's about. It's about exploring different concepts
Speaker 3: that people find themselves falling in. So I hope you
Speaker 3: check that out, and definitely check out Shut Up Joel again.
Speaker 3: It's available on pretty much and pod that that. But
Speaker 3: more than that, I hope you love and embrace each
Speaker 3: other and try and find some friends out there this week,
Speaker 3: because for me, it was really easy to go find
Speaker 3: friends on the internet. All I did was message guys
Speaker 3: like Chuck and all these other wonderful people that I've
Speaker 3: met in the Alternative States. And if you feel lost
Speaker 3: and lonely, just try and find a friend this week.
Speaker 2: You know what that sounds like? Really good advice, And
Speaker 2: I'll tell you we're gonna really get into alternative spaces.
Speaker 2: Of course, tomorrow night, I'll do the live call in
Speaker 2: show for you guys. On Friday nights like we always do.
Speaker 2: But on Monday, which is an unusual broadcast day for me,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be speaking to doctor Richard Alan Miller. And
Speaker 2: you want to talk about alternative realities and a guy
Speaker 2: who scares the hell out of some people. But Richard
Speaker 2: Allen Miller, if you're not familiar with him erroneous method,
Speaker 2: then you haven't gone all the way deep into every
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, I assure you. But interesting guy, I'll say that,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to broadcast with him live on Monday.
Speaker 2: But that's the plan so far, and I have no
Speaker 2: idea what Aaron Franz is doing tomorrow night, but we
Speaker 2: might get another age of transitions, which I'll produce after
Speaker 2: my show and uncle the broadcast, of course, But if not,
Speaker 2: I'll see you guys Friday and then again Monday, So
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