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<v Speaker 1>Ready, Get Ready, July twenty five, twenty twenty four, allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>according to that thing we call a calendar, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are live on o'keelly dot com Radio and all that

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But most of you catch the podcast later on, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about five minutes going late to air, So I

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<v Speaker 2>bet a bunch of you decided you're not even gonna

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<v Speaker 2>listen because he's not live tonight. But fooled you anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Thor's Day, that's what it is, and why not. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked to regular Joe last night and I finally

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<v Speaker 2>finally put out my viewpoint on the madness of late.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wanted to get a regular Joe's thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>tonight we're gonna get to somebody else's ideas about what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm definitely going unconventional. Look, you could hear from

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<v Speaker 2>the regular politics political speakers on political show. I'm tripping

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<v Speaker 2>over my tongue, man. Anyways, you can hear about that everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Go over to X and they're going live every couple

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<v Speaker 2>of minutes on X Twitter, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Jones has an emergency broadcast. There's a coup going on.

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<v Speaker 2>They're overthrowing the government. The globalists are read I thought

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<v Speaker 2>the globalists were defeated, aj you know when he went

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<v Speaker 2>live when Trump won, the globalists have been defeated. The

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<v Speaker 2>globalists have been defeated. Well, right now he's having emergency

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast because there's a coup and the assassination attempt, and

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it was an attempt. Then again, maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a school shooter and it just happened that

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<v Speaker 2>there was no school in session in the Northeast at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. Oh, I know that pisses some of you off,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, we're on it. And who's with me tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>Erroneous method? So you want to go unconventional, let's go

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<v Speaker 2>a little more unconventional. How you doing, man?

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<v Speaker 3>I am ecstatic and bumpastic to be here tonight with you,

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<v Speaker 3>Miss check.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, this is great. I've actually meant to hook up

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<v Speaker 2>with you a few more times and we keep missing

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And I don't know what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk's little platform over there, but something's happening. Not

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<v Speaker 2>sure what it is, but I tried to message you

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<v Speaker 2>on there, and I don't know you weren't getting messages.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't getting messages. It's weird. Is there something to

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<v Speaker 2>that or is it just you and me having bad luck?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I believe there's definitely something to that. When I

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<v Speaker 3>pulled it up twice now with your with your test messages,

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<v Speaker 3>it would it would it would show me previous messages

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<v Speaker 3>and then it would show me the new one moments later. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>last time I looked at one of your messages, it

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<v Speaker 3>showed me our old messages and then quickly erased them

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<v Speaker 3>all before my eyes and they were gone. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's weird, weird, weird things happen over there. Yeah, it's strange.

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<v Speaker 3>This time I got it through the email notification. First

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<v Speaker 3>went and saw what you had said in email, then

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<v Speaker 3>went over to X, loaded up the app, and your

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<v Speaker 3>message was not there at all a few moments later

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<v Speaker 3>it appeared. But you know, I don't know, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>See, and I'm not one of these guys who's paranoid

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<v Speaker 2>going it's the NSA. They're coming after. I don't you

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<v Speaker 2>know what. To me, this is Elon Musk. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever's going on over there in corporate, you know a

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<v Speaker 2>platform land where you know something's worth billions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it doesn't physically exist, which cracks me up

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<v Speaker 2>to no end. I mean, people are spending money every

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<v Speaker 2>day on stuff that doesn't physically exist. Oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get some of erroneous methods music. You can

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<v Speaker 2>get an MP three that you download from somewhere. I

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<v Speaker 2>miss CDs, man. I know I'm old, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>miss CDs. I miss records, I miss tapes. I miss

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff when you held something in your hand.

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<v Speaker 3>But I actually I'm with you. As you know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been a digitally only artist most of my career. In

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<v Speaker 3>early days, we used to rock the CDs and the

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<v Speaker 3>casats and even restords out of the back of our

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<v Speaker 3>cars and stuff. That's how we made our money, right

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<v Speaker 3>talking on the side. But you know they, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of economy, the hustle at a bar, the

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<v Speaker 3>hustle at a small venue kind of economy got killed

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<v Speaker 3>during COVID here in upstate New York. So it's very

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<v Speaker 3>difficult to kind of like live as a small venue

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<v Speaker 3>artist these days. It really kind of thinks because I

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<v Speaker 3>used to have a name and kind of a recognizable

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<v Speaker 3>faith in the industry, and there is no industry anymore

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<v Speaker 3>around here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, and I mean, look, I did it years

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<v Speaker 2>and years ago, and I was selling tapes and believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>that was how we made our money because nobody was

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<v Speaker 2>paying us to play the clubs usually unless we opened

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<v Speaker 2>for a big act and the tickets were super expensive,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And that's the way we got paid as

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<v Speaker 2>local artists, is you know, can I can I somehow

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<v Speaker 2>make a deal to create a t shirt sell some

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<v Speaker 2>of those, and also here's my cassettes. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>I was recording myself off of a nice mastery. But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, what were we gonna do? Right? And

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<v Speaker 2>we were selling for three four dollars, hoping to get

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<v Speaker 2>gas money to get back home from wherever the hell

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<v Speaker 2>it was when we were playing. But anyways, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if people don't recognize you, by the way, if you

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<v Speaker 2>guys have heard Redneck Cherokee on the show, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>might have also heard that weird little piece that that

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<v Speaker 2>mentions me in the song and I play that up

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<v Speaker 2>and on. I forget the name of the song off

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<v Speaker 2>the top of my head. I just loaded into the

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<v Speaker 2>the the auto DJ thing every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 2>and people have heard these odd pieces of music. God,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the name of that I gotta go look.

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<v Speaker 3>The name of that track is method.

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<v Speaker 2>Head method Heads, That's it. And you see and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sitting here going, I know it's something like similar to

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<v Speaker 2>his name. It's got one of the name, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the words in it. But yeah, so that's the one

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<v Speaker 2>where he says, oh, yeah, I'm talking to my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a I forget how you put it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>sad that weird song that goes by where he's what

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<v Speaker 2>what's the first line in that song?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think I was talking about what. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned Kid that one because it was right after

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<v Speaker 3>that controversy where he like, you had the beer, the

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<v Speaker 3>Butdweiser beer, and there's there was something going on with

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<v Speaker 3>seventy day endorsed an you know, you know one of

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<v Speaker 3>those letter communities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you talked about being some kind of strange activist

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<v Speaker 2>and then also shooting bud light cans after Kid Rock

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<v Speaker 2>gets done with them or what. And I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't remember the exact line off the top

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<v Speaker 3>of my head. The other thing about my music is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very on the fly when I write it, so

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<v Speaker 3>like sometimes if I'm not playing live for a while,

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<v Speaker 3>I forget my own lyrics.

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<v Speaker 2>There, you go, Well, look I did that too. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff was super memorable because you wind up practicing

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<v Speaker 2>it eighty thousand times. But today, if you don't practice

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<v Speaker 2>to do a live gig and you just record something,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very easy to forget now, you know, unless you're practicing,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean really, unless you're drilling lyrics into your own

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<v Speaker 2>head constantly, why would you memorize them anymore? You move on,

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<v Speaker 2>you create something else, you know. So, and I also

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<v Speaker 2>include you in what I call short attention span DJ theater,

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<v Speaker 2>which happens occasionally, and I play pieces of songs and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, indie artists and corporate artists and some of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorites, and I take requests and I mix all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of things in. You get clips from TV and

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<v Speaker 2>movies too, uh during that thing, and sound effects and

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<v Speaker 2>just whatever the hell comes into my mind as it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to it ends up being played on there. And

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<v Speaker 2>and you've been added into that as well. So and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna get method heads and play it

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<v Speaker 2>while I got you on too. Uh. But before we're

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<v Speaker 2>done anyway, I want to talk to you a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about current events, but I'd rather discuss music, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we could do it this way. The the events

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<v Speaker 2>of the past month. I'll love if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>put it in the capsule, or if you're tired of

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it, you can skip it. Pick your favorite part.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you want to talk to me about

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<v Speaker 2>trump Amania, want running wild, or you know exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>melted is Joe Biden's brain. If you want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to me about the alleged assassination attempt. You heard me

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<v Speaker 2>reference that at the beginning. If you want to go

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<v Speaker 2>into any of this, go right ahead, but I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>leave it open for you, but just be warned. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to go away from it quick and get into

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<v Speaker 2>is that having an influence on your music? So you

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<v Speaker 2>got two things there. Tell me what your impressions are

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<v Speaker 2>of the events so late, and then tell me about

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<v Speaker 2>if that's affecting your art at all.

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<v Speaker 3>So go ahead, yeah, very quickly, because I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to spend a lot of time on it. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like the powers that we have learned from the past

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<v Speaker 3>and these kind of major events and they are chucking

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<v Speaker 3>information at us very very quickly, and I think it

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<v Speaker 3>is super important to detach ourselves from what is happening

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<v Speaker 3>in here and now right now and kind of avoid

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<v Speaker 3>it a little bit. It's only there to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>take our our enters away from us. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>so let's take a step back and talk about some

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<v Speaker 3>other stuff for a while, because, like you said at

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning, everybody on the planet is actually discussing this

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<v Speaker 3>right now. But take a break. Let's give people a

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<v Speaker 3>pause and talk about some other things. So let's go

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<v Speaker 3>right into the music, because that's where the shift in

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<v Speaker 3>my music is starting to occur, because I'm stepping away

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<v Speaker 3>from rap music and I'm starting to lean towards like

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<v Speaker 3>the blues and country music, which I've always had a

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<v Speaker 3>flair four within erroneous method, but now it's become more

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<v Speaker 3>live action.

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<v Speaker 2>See I was always I did all kinds of music myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean everything from hip hop to your basic rot

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<v Speaker 2>gut type blue stuff. I mean, you know, literally minimalist performances.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I even did readings with just a drum,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and things like that. I didn't care I

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<v Speaker 2>did all that, But I mean my favorite thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do was metal. I mean I love doing the metal stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>the death metal stuff, the especially when we got into

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<v Speaker 2>the more groove oriented things and get got away from

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<v Speaker 2>the death metal where it was like the jeez, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know where to put it. People used to

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<v Speaker 2>compare me to Max Cavallera a lot because of my sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, but that wasn't really the big thing it

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<v Speaker 2>was to me. It was I was heavily influenced by

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<v Speaker 2>Black Sabbath and Motorhead, And you know, I always wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to make statements with the lyrics and the music, right

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a mood and a tone that you set,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that is laid out so that you

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<v Speaker 2>create an atmosphere and then you make a statement over

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<v Speaker 2>it with your lyrical content, or at least as the

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<v Speaker 2>way I viewed it, and I still love to do

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<v Speaker 2>it once in a while, but I don't collaborate with

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<v Speaker 2>too many people, and I've only got a couple of instruments,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, but I will do things from time

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<v Speaker 2>network and that kind of thing here and there. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how is it What kind of statement would

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<v Speaker 2>a mint somehow, and I'm not even sure how. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's obviously part of the regular garbage that's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not even talking about the pop garbage. I

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<v Speaker 2>it's not even pop music. It was just a weird

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<v Speaker 2>little niche thing that happened, right, But there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>And some of these people that are sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>then there's just shake your ass and that's all there

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<v Speaker 2>the braggadocious. But I mean, what statement is left to

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<v Speaker 2>thing I need to speak to or do you have

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<v Speaker 2>an idea about that? Or is that where you're really

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think you're hitting the nail on the head

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<v Speaker 3>and the idea that like. Okay, So as a erroneous method,

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<v Speaker 3>I came out and I wanted to do something different. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I got paid cash dollars to turn out album after

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<v Speaker 3>I got kind of blackballed, but from everybody I knew

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<v Speaker 3>in any kind of real industry, and I started to like, go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>my own way. So I decided to say, like what

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<v Speaker 3>am I going to make music about it? Right? And

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<v Speaker 3>nobody was making conspiracy theory rap up time. There was

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<v Speaker 3>like he's al automatic. That was probably the only guy

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<v Speaker 3>I know that was doing any kind of like conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was actually a little later, so you know, yeah, nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think anybody was around really like maybe a

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<v Speaker 3>Mortal Technique, you know, like but they were on the left.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody was doing it in this kind of like libertarian

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<v Speaker 3>freethinking freedom space.

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<v Speaker 2>Well see that Paydemon Santo. Wait a minute, yeah, Paydemon

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<v Speaker 2>Santo went in that direction for a minute. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>and I definitely love Diesel, but and I love all

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. There was a guy named Raven Mad out

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<v Speaker 2>of Canada, and yeah, I mean there were guys, but

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<v Speaker 2>they just a lot of them came and went. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Payday is still out there making stuff. He

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and then he came back and I haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with him a bit, but he's probably been

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<v Speaker 2>on my show like ten fifteen times. Diesel keeps promising

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<v Speaker 2>to come on my show and doesn't. But but the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, I appreciate these guys. I always did. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was a group of them for a while. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them were on the left, true, but some of

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<v Speaker 2>them I don't know. Diesel, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>would consider him lefty exactly, because that didn't used to

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<v Speaker 2>be leftist, I mean, speaking against the prison industrial complex, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, definitely, Yeah, I wouldn't consider him left or you

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<v Speaker 3>know those guys, Uh, those guys all kind of came

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<v Speaker 3>out on the other side, but yeah, that would say

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<v Speaker 3>he's automatic. Right during the pandemic, he made a whole

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<v Speaker 3>song kind of speaking out against the absurdity of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maps and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, no, and those guys did that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. And you know, like I said, Payday

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<v Speaker 2>confused me for a little bit. But that's a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's got a massive volume of stuff. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, missiles with Relish and uh and and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I love the song Sharks for sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>even a lot of his earlier stuff that you know

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<v Speaker 2>had had to do with nine to eleven and that

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's actually been around a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh for sure. Yeah, yeah that Actually I think I

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<v Speaker 3>heard his stuff on a mixtape with the Immortal Technique

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that would make sense, that would make sense. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but so you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying there's kind of this open space though you think

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<v Speaker 2>for libertarian but you know they got the blue dress.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. My idea was, I was listening to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these podcasts, as you know, I was familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with your work. I was listening to probably the first

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<v Speaker 3>guy I found was like Tim foil Hat, Chris Matthew,

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Robinson. So I was listening to a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff, and it was I had been around since

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, two thousand and SHIX was when I

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<v Speaker 3>started rapping, and I'd always had somewhat of a conspiracy lean.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd always talked about nine to eleven since the early days,

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<v Speaker 3>in the underground days, but I never really got dove

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<v Speaker 3>into too many other things. Just JFPN nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like my wheelhouse. That was what I was

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<v Speaker 3>talking about back then and at some point probably around

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen, late in twenty nineteen early twenty twenty, I

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<v Speaker 3>started to shift into a harder conspiracy line because of

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<v Speaker 3>all the things I was listening to. And then during

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the pandemic, that was when I went hard,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I started to kind of fight back a

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<v Speaker 2>No, and it makes sense, you know, And that was

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<v Speaker 2>another thing that during the pandemic, a lot artists sort

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<v Speaker 2>of collapsed because you know, some of them were dependent

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<v Speaker 2>upon going out there and being in front of an

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<v Speaker 2>audience and that was gone. There were tours canceled, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all that weirdness. I had those guys, oh man, three

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<v Speaker 2>kind of band uh, But they were speaking to that

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<v Speaker 2>end of the of the pool, and they they lost

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<v Speaker 2>their tours, they lost everything, and I'm like, man, you

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of these artists that were going to

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<v Speaker 2>go around and again, the industry is already challenged because

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<v Speaker 2>of the digital age, and that was a blow that

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<v Speaker 2>it just didn't need. And meanwhile, I don't even want

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<v Speaker 2>to prop up the industry. I just want the artists

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<v Speaker 2>to at least be able to get some of the

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<v Speaker 2>scraps that they could get for creating the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we actually cared about. But anyway, back to this, so

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<v Speaker 2>you got your mentality changing, and but but how is

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<v Speaker 2>it effectively changing now? I mean you're saying, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to go back more to the roots of the music. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>hip hop's got its roots, you know, all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's like trying to grow mint in

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<v Speaker 2>your front yard. It's going to be everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. The six professional

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<v Speaker 3>albums I did doing hip hop were the statement, right

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<v Speaker 3>I said what I mean to say. There's some underground

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<v Speaker 3>stuff out there. You can have four or five extra

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<v Speaker 3>albums out there. But when it comes to like conspiracy

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<v Speaker 3>theory and music, I feel like I put a bow

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<v Speaker 3>on it twice over and it's time to move on, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So so take a step back, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted it back to the roots. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like find blues, find all these upon, all

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<v Speaker 3>these kind of metal eaves and all these things I

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<v Speaker 3>played when I was younger, and all these bands, and

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<v Speaker 3>we toured and we had a great time. And the

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<v Speaker 3>key component to that is other people right, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean that you have to have other people.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where I think again, the industry has kind

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<v Speaker 3>of faltered a little where people aren't getting the.

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<v Speaker 2>Making new bands, no no and voluntary enforcement, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people are social distancing even without the social distancing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think Electronica, see this is the funny part

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<v Speaker 2>is that when I started playing music, it was the

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<v Speaker 2>late eighties, right, and there were guys it was fear

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<v Speaker 2>of the drum machine, you know, where it was like

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff is going to all be automated. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there was a lot of backlash to Trent

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<v Speaker 2>Reznor initially when when he was you know, coming out

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<v Speaker 2>all you know, manufactured noise and noise tracks and drum

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<v Speaker 2>tracks from a machine, and they're not going to need

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<v Speaker 2>people anymore. And it's weird because everybody got off of

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<v Speaker 2>that and let it go. And then it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>Electronica said, yeah, hold my beer, cause we're gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>you every single tool you could possibly want so that

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<v Speaker 2>you're an isolated artist alone. So the guy that had

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<v Speaker 2>to go through a whole bunch of nonsense and fight

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<v Speaker 2>a solo artist. Now starts as a solo artist all

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<v Speaker 2>by himself in his bedroom with you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not you know, it's kind of how it began, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a band, right where, a hip hop group,

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<v Speaker 3>and somebody needed to make the beats at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>So here we go, I make the beats.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to learn all that right originally, and for

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<v Speaker 3>the most part, and throughout most of my career, hardware,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, actual you know, drum machines and stuff, classic stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But at some point I had to go to these

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<v Speaker 3>computer programs that have everything in front of you, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're kind of while they have all the sounds, while

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<v Speaker 3>they have all the fields, they are soulless in a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ways. You lose something in the music at

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<v Speaker 3>some point, and that's kind of what. I went back

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<v Speaker 3>and I listened to all these buildings that I created,

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<v Speaker 3>and originally I felt really good about it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>done later, you know, I went back, I listened again,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, ah, this one's not so good,

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<v Speaker 3>because there's there's something about the humanity and just playing

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And and that's a weird thing too, because even

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Payde Mon Santos calling me up at three

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the morning at one point, and why he's

419
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<v Speaker 2>excited because he's got a guitar in his hand, and

420
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, all right, you know, and pretty much every

421
00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.799
<v Speaker 2>instrument he picked up he could do something with it.

422
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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people don't know that about him, Like

423
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of that stuff you here recorded, and and

424
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<v Speaker 2>even when he loops it together, he might loop stuff together,

425
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<v Speaker 2>but he actually plays instruments and create stuff. You know.

426
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I mean, I did the

427
00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:50.240
<v Speaker 3>same thing, where like I create my loops a lot

428
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<v Speaker 3>of time, we actual guitars, you know. Like it's that

429
00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:55.359
<v Speaker 3>it's rare. You don't find a lot of hip hop

430
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<v Speaker 3>artists that'll do that these days.

431
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<v Speaker 2>No, no, but it but it does leave the soul

432
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<v Speaker 2>in and it's because of these very minor imperfections. See

433
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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. The computer creates something that is Nothing

434
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.240
<v Speaker 2>is ever perfect, but I mean damn close to it.

435
00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, the exact tones, the the you know, the

436
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.480
<v Speaker 2>the reverb, the diminished chord, all that stuff goes at

437
00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the same rate, and yeah, you create something that sounds

438
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:26.440
<v Speaker 2>very symmetrically solid. But again it lacks those little things,

439
00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.400
<v Speaker 2>that little that little extra buzz on the string that

440
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.880
<v Speaker 2>only happened the one time in the studio, that extra

441
00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.359
<v Speaker 2>click on the rim of the drum that wasn't intended,

442
00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:39.079
<v Speaker 2>that just happened to drop in there. And then the

443
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<v Speaker 2>engineer says, you know what, I'm gonna turn that noise

444
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.960
<v Speaker 2>up and it becomes a sound of its own, you know,

445
00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:51.319
<v Speaker 2>and that kind of thing. People don't necessarily recognize that anymore.

446
00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And you know, again, I know, I'm the old man

447
00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:56.200
<v Speaker 2>going I want Mario old music, you know, and I

448
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.279
<v Speaker 2>want to get off my lawn. But I mean, you know,

449
00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.599
<v Speaker 2>but there's something to this where there was a soul

450
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<v Speaker 2>to the music with the imperfections, don't you agree?

451
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<v Speaker 3>Such, yes, I fully agree, And I've come around to

452
00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.039
<v Speaker 3>that decision in like such a roundabout way. I used

453
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:17.720
<v Speaker 3>to kind of fight against that argument and go like no,

454
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:19.880
<v Speaker 3>and I could do it all on my own. I

455
00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:23.000
<v Speaker 3>don't need anybody. And at some point and maybe that

456
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.119
<v Speaker 3>was maybe that was being like isolated because I am

457
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:28.039
<v Speaker 3>here in upstate New York and and you know, the

458
00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:31.400
<v Speaker 3>last few years hit us really hard. Here are people

459
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 3>shut their businesses down. Everything was different. It became very

460
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:40.200
<v Speaker 3>dare I say, gentrified. Billionaires came through and now you see,

461
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, like yachts and airplanes flying into my little city.

462
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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of strange, but that is part of why

463
00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.880
<v Speaker 3>the music has changed for me. Also, the people I've

464
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.720
<v Speaker 3>been talking to, it's people like you, Chuck, and people

465
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.279
<v Speaker 3>like you know, like at Jason Barker a Knights of

466
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:56.920
<v Speaker 3>the Storm. I talked to him a lot. I had

467
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<v Speaker 3>a conversation with him and an artist named Lindell. It

468
00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.119
<v Speaker 3>was a concert pianist and she was talking about just

469
00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.279
<v Speaker 3>going out and go wild and making music right. And

470
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.759
<v Speaker 3>I decided to do that. One day, I took my

471
00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:11.720
<v Speaker 3>banjo out and I hadn't played my danjo in probably

472
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.119
<v Speaker 3>sixty years, and I kept there just jamming by the

473
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.960
<v Speaker 3>railroad tracks, and before too long, there were like five

474
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.319
<v Speaker 3>or six people just huddled around me that were going

475
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:22.839
<v Speaker 3>out for walks listening to me play, and it was

476
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:25.720
<v Speaker 3>like a really good feeling to be out there naturally

477
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.759
<v Speaker 3>and have naturally drawn a crowd around me. It was different.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was another thing that again is now missing

479
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:35.319
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of places, and upstate New York not

480
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the best place for it. But you know, I lived

481
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 2>in New York City for a bit. I lived in

482
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Jersey and New York City most of my life. I've

483
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>been got almost ten years in the South now, but

484
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean before that, that's where I was. And even

485
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.319
<v Speaker 2>if I was flat broke, right, I could sit down

486
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.400
<v Speaker 2>with a guitar somewhere, open up my case and make

487
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 2>enough money to go get something to eat, you know,

488
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>or put myself up the night if I needed to.

489
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it was, I could do that. Or I could

490
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:05.799
<v Speaker 2>take out the acoustic base, sit down with another guy.

491
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.759
<v Speaker 2>We could make it more interesting, and who knows, maybe

492
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody else would come along with a couple of five

493
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.759
<v Speaker 2>gallon paint drums and sit down and all of a

494
00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 2>sudden we got percussion too. And you know, we used

495
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.319
<v Speaker 2>to just do this impromptu in the parks, on street

496
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.720
<v Speaker 2>corners and stuff. And I mean, you could do it

497
00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 2>a little bit in Jersey City, but New York was

498
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 2>definitely the place to do it. And I don't know,

499
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 2>I could take that somewhere else. If I was in

500
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Ohio and we needed gas money, we could just take

501
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.079
<v Speaker 2>over a corner for a little while till the cops

502
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.160
<v Speaker 2>broke it up and you know, make our gas money

503
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:43.559
<v Speaker 2>to at least get the hell out of Ohio. You know,

504
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>might have to sit down again in Pittsburgh to do it.

505
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 2>But it's okay. That spirit, that sort of vagabond era

506
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:57.039
<v Speaker 2>seems to be over, you know. I know you said

507
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you just did it with a banjo, not long, but

508
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who's doing that anymore? Yeah?

509
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.279
<v Speaker 3>Not, it isn't It isn't. I don't know. I was

510
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:08.640
<v Speaker 3>just recently in Washington, DC, back in January, and it

511
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 3>was cold as hell, and I was talking to this

512
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 3>local guy and he tells me, you know, it's the

513
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 3>coldest January record, which is latest, because the last time

514
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:18.960
<v Speaker 3>I was in DC, like twenty years ago, they told

515
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 3>me it was the coldest January records. Anyway, walking down

516
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.839
<v Speaker 3>Pennsylvania Avenue and there is a homeless black guy with

517
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.039
<v Speaker 3>a guitar and a tiny little battery lamp and he

518
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 3>is just ripping the star spangled banner better than any

519
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy Hendrix I'd ever heard. And I just stood there mesmerized,

520
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and like, this is a Maratha. I'm in the shadow

521
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.200
<v Speaker 3>of the White House and this guy is just busting

522
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.119
<v Speaker 3>for his change, and not one of the Secret Service

523
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 3>guys was coming over to break it up. It was Drake, right.

524
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.359
<v Speaker 3>So you know, I don't know it's there. You just

525
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.039
<v Speaker 3>have to go to the right places, I guess.

526
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I guarantee you it's you know, it is

527
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:02.000
<v Speaker 2>definitely a smaller a thing that it used to be,

528
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>though it used to be large, you know, oh for sure.

529
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, most street corners on most cities in America, I

530
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.920
<v Speaker 3>mean Rochester, New York, which is the big city near

531
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.799
<v Speaker 3>where I'm from. Uh, you know, you could always find

532
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 3>that always, and it's not a thing anymore there. It's

533
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 3>gotten very clamped down.

534
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The only place I didn't see it where I

535
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 2>went to play was Buffalo. Actually, all in the northeast

536
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Buffalo didn't have it. And you know, but but they

537
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>were remarkable because I mean I thought for sure that

538
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:29.200
<v Speaker 2>when we showed up there, we were gonna have a

539
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>canceled show. You know, because we get there in the

540
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>afternoon and we got to play that night and there

541
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.039
<v Speaker 2>was tons of snow on the ground and I said,

542
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>oh man, you know, I'm thinking other parts of Jersey

543
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.160
<v Speaker 2>or Pennsylvania and New York. There's no way there's going

544
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 2>to be a show. And uh yeah. They were like no, no, no,

545
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>just hold on, you'll see. And people came out of

546
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it would work and they you know, they actually cleared.

547
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 2>They get on with life in Buffalo.

548
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I grew up in the Buffalo punk team,

549
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, because I'm from I'm from canaanday to New York.

550
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 3>That's my city. But you know, you know, when you're

551
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 3>from Kennanagua, you go to Rochester, you go to Syracuse,

552
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 3>you go to Buffalo. So those are the places we

553
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 3>go to see music. And you know, each one is

554
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 3>about an hour to an hour and a half two

555
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.559
<v Speaker 3>hours away. So we go to Buffalo for the night.

556
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 3>We go to these little clubs and bars and these

557
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 3>punk stands, you know, and same thing, you know, the

558
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 3>splore for the snow and you wait in line for

559
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.200
<v Speaker 3>an hour in the in the zero degree, whether nobody

560
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 3>has a cote on because they're all punks and trying

561
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 3>to tough it out. Yeah, it's a relentless place.

562
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, it's hilarious. And I definitely I mean I

563
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 2>was there in the mid nineties like that, and it

564
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 2>was just it was hysterical. I did not believe that

565
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 2>we were going to have a show. And then the

566
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:43.599
<v Speaker 2>place got almost packed, you know. But again, there was

567
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:45.279
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of little bars. I mean, it was a

568
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>cool scene. But they didn't have a street corner scene

569
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 2>in Buffalo. I didn't see none of that. But they

570
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 2>came out and they definitely got indoors. And you know,

571
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't blame them. That mean, it's ridiculous.

572
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 3>I say, they got the street coat in the winter

573
00:28:59.359 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 3>in Buffalo.

574
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because look I jumped out. Look they used to

575
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.319
<v Speaker 2>stick me because I can't drive because of my bad eyesight,

576
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>and they used to stick me in the back of

577
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 2>the box truck with the equipment, right, and uh so

578
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I come out of the back of the box truck,

579
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I jump out and like I'm up to my waist

580
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in a snow drift, like instantly, and I'm going there

581
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.079
<v Speaker 2>is no way we're gonna play, you know.

582
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

583
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the bartender probably couldn't get into work, man,

584
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 2>there's no way, and we did so, but I can

585
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 2>see what you can't stand. You stand on the street corner.

586
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 2>You know they'll dig you out next spring. I mean,

587
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 2>it ain't gonna work. So yeah. Anyways, But to this pivot, right,

588
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 2>there's there's more to it because usually you try and

589
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>capture something personal. Obviously, when you're are constructing these things

590
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>and you want to give something personal back out, you're

591
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>usually turning something out. It could be you know, recycling

592
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 2>your pain. It could be speaking, you know, of pride

593
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>or of something like that. There's a lot of different

594
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>things that move you to create something. But to me,

595
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.559
<v Speaker 2>it's like the world is so strange at this point

596
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>and so polarized. Okay, unless you're there to serve up

597
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.039
<v Speaker 2>one of these you know, prescribed polarized sort of things,

598
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 2>it just seems weird to me, Like, is anybody going

599
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>to create something new? Is anybody going to speak from

600
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a personal point of view that isn't already laid out

601
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>by somebody else at this point? I know I keep

602
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 2>asking the same question in the different forms, but I mean,

603
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 2>where are you going? What is the thing that you

604
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>need to express as an artist? Now?

605
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah. Right now, I've gone through so much personal

606
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 3>turmoil that I feel like that has to come out

607
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 3>of me. Like you know, in the last few years,

608
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 3>like I've matured as a human being. Right, You come

609
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.160
<v Speaker 3>into your own in your late thirties, you start to

610
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 3>look back at your life, You start to look at

611
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.160
<v Speaker 3>your mistakes, you make new mistakes, you know what I mean.

612
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 3>I got in trouble for the first time in my

613
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 3>life recently. I never had any kind of record or

614
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.519
<v Speaker 3>had to go to court. And you know, it's just

615
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 3>little things you do that make you reflect. And so

616
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 3>for me again, like you said, pain, revelation of pain

617
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 3>is very important to me, and that's where the blues

618
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 3>have kind of come into my soul and like slipped

619
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 3>out of me. With my friends lately, we just sit

620
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 3>down a porch and jam these things, and you know,

621
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 3>we're building something, we're making, we're making something new.

622
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>It's going to.

623
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Change, it's going to be different. But as an artist,

624
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>I feel like personal revelation is the most important part

625
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<v Speaker 3>of being an artist. And I feel like I reviewed

626
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<v Speaker 3>myself a lot through the early erroneous method stuff and

627
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<v Speaker 3>the hip hop, but ultimately it is a crafted song.

628
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<v Speaker 3>Each time you make something, you're making it with a

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<v Speaker 3>very specific in tank. You're trying to sell a subject,

630
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<v Speaker 3>You're trying to sell an idea, and with the Blues

631
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<v Speaker 3>you're just relinquishing your pain. You know. It is the

632
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<v Speaker 3>revelation of the method through the ideology of suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a great thought. Look, I'm gonna give people

634
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<v Speaker 2>a little example of your work because it's one of

635
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<v Speaker 2>the things I have here, and we're gonna just kind

636
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<v Speaker 2>of cut our mics and take a breath because I

637
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<v Speaker 2>know you guys have heard this on the network more

638
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 2>than once. But maybe i'll play maybe the whole thing.

639
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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, it's only two and a half minutes. Uh,

640
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<v Speaker 2>method Heads is only two and a half minutes. So

641
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna play the whole thing on o'chelly dot com

642
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 2>and I'm talking to the artists who made it so

643
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 2>perfect timing right here, and uh got to let them know.

644
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<v Speaker 2>I'm bringing all.

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<v Speaker 3>Shot, lucking care rots the ball up the Duck Show.

646
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<v Speaker 4>I'm bringing all shot lock them care rots at the

647
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<v Speaker 4>lot at the Draft Show. I've only just method the

648
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<v Speaker 4>world's worst professional pool tip them like it's two dollars

649
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<v Speaker 4>something in Becker's back on tour.

650
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<v Speaker 2>You never really.

651
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Wanted me anyway. Ulcohol turns me into your enemies. I'm

652
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:11.319
<v Speaker 4>go send me stand with some annaty. I used to

653
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.440
<v Speaker 4>think that bottle was the remedy, picked it up once

654
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 4>or twice after I let it go, but finally had to.

655
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Let it be.

656
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 4>I used to roll with the five dead she would

657
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<v Speaker 4>give me and left timpers and literacy.

658
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<v Speaker 2>I mean literally, I figure I'm the letter. We all

659
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<v Speaker 2>want chances week except what San learned the letter Go.

660
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<v Speaker 2>We learned the letter go.

661
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<v Speaker 3>Oh it take trouble. I think it okay.

662
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<v Speaker 4>They have a couple heroes.

663
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 3>It's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>If fair flaws, I won't have stayed sober with our

665
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>hand trip is zero.

666
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm talking to Chris Grays on the podlad he's talking to.

667
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Robinson on the pods. The people he influenced influence

668
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>me work. Chuck o'chelly, Sorry, I haven't doney gay. I'm

669
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna give you those beats.

670
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 4>But we the people's influence like drops of water in

671
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<v Speaker 4>the sea, and it's sad and so plain. The seed

672
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 4>that latanly, the powers that beat, they've taken corruption to

673
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.480
<v Speaker 4>incompatibility with regathering. I got no problem with the conspiracy

674
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<v Speaker 4>becoming in industry as.

675
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Long as we stay hard.

676
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm fat it's bright, no fallacy, go forth with no madness,

677
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 4>casually ghost produced for years stacking up that wise Wolf gold,

678
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.400
<v Speaker 4>Ain't you average g I'm a bastard with no mask?

679
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 4>But the met that had had one long.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the ronas and don't get mad at me.

681
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<v Speaker 3>Get ready.

682
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.800
<v Speaker 2>So that one went a little short method heads there,

683
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>but you got the point. That's a different piece of music,

684
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 2>for sure. What would you even call that? Is that?

685
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that hip hop? Is that? What is going on there?

686
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't think at that point, I was like, really

687
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 3>that the spiders that there. I was listening to a

688
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 3>lot of deck and I think that guy kind of

689
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:30.519
<v Speaker 3>seeks into the background of.

690
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, well I almost yeah, yeah, I get that,

691
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>like it's almost like two turntables in a microphone, but

692
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>he forgot to throw in the drug. And I'm like,

693
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.320
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty but it's cool, I I and of course

694
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I get a shout out in there too, but uh,

695
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's just funny to me that, like you know

696
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 2>that you had that that sort of loose methodology, and

697
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>then there's these little rifts in there, and it just

698
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of drops and moves and I don't know, man,

699
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:05.719
<v Speaker 2>it's it's an interesting fluid kind of movement there. And

700
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 2>that's what's interesting.

701
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, weird cut in the middle with the guitar break. Yeah,

702
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.400
<v Speaker 3>listen to that again since I made it a long time.

703
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's different, right, definitely, definitely, And uh, you know,

704
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>you send me some more stuff, we'll play it on

705
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 2>the network on the DJ shows or even breaks whatever.

706
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, as long as I got your permission to

707
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 2>use it, I'll use it. But you know, it's uh,

708
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 2>it's really interesting, man, and I look forward to see

709
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>what it is you're gonna put out soon. I know

710
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you went through again. I don't know if you want

711
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.079
<v Speaker 2>to talk about it, but you went through you know,

712
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 2>personal up people like you were saying, Uh, at one point,

713
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 2>you kind of sent me a message where you were like, look,

714
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I lost a lot of stuff and I

715
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of have to change my home situation and everything,

716
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, and I was like a little

717
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 2>worried about you there. And uh then when you came

718
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 2>back around, so you know, I obviously got back up

719
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:02.679
<v Speaker 2>on your feet.

720
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Uh. Yeah, it's still it's still kind of an ongoing process.

721
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 3>How a lot of things have are still in motion

722
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 3>with all of that, and uh, you know, uh, you know,

723
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 3>I I've never tried to be any kind of role model,

724
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 3>specifically because some finds you falter as a human being

725
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.360
<v Speaker 3>and make mistakes, and I've done a lot of that

726
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 3>over the last couple of years. But yes, I am

727
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 3>trying to pull myself back out of like, uh the

728
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 3>ashes of the mess that I made for myself with

729
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 3>my life and and the people around me made for

730
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.199
<v Speaker 3>myself with my life. So ye, not that, not that

731
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.599
<v Speaker 3>I get too into it, but yeah, you know, I've

732
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 3>gone through a flood. I was living in a storage

733
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 3>unit and all my stuff flooded, and uh, yeah, you know,

734
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm finally found a place and like kind of pulled

735
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 3>myself back together, got a better job, so a physical job,

736
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 3>because you know, I can't I can't really make the

737
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 3>money off the music like I used to. I used

738
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 3>to just do music a full time career and it's

739
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:03.000
<v Speaker 3>not not really a thing up here, but you know,

740
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm pushing forward. And I started my podcast, which is

741
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.679
<v Speaker 3>Shut Up Joel, and you can find that on pretty

742
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.599
<v Speaker 3>much all the podcast apps and you can also find

743
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 3>that on like Chasing Barker's Nicely to the Storm website.

744
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Nice to Thestorm dot com. He's got a nice little

745
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 3>section with always affiliated podcasts. So that's that's kind of

746
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 3>like just questioning the world, questioning different people with different ideas,

747
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and it's.

748
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Been a lot of fun.

749
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 3>It's had a lot of really cool guests on different

750
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 3>people from me the alternative thinking community. And I'm getting

751
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 3>ready to wrap that up soon or at least go

752
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 3>on a hiatus for a while.

753
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but but they'll still be able to get those

754
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>things like if you get the past episodes, is there

755
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 2>a website for yep, I.

756
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Don't have a personal website for if you can get

757
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.800
<v Speaker 3>on all the podcast streams just shut up, Joel. But

758
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 3>the website that you can that there is a link

759
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.320
<v Speaker 3>to is Night of the Storm dot com.

760
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Night of the Storm dot Com, which of course is

761
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing about mister Knight's show there. Uh you know,

762
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I was actually yeah, yeah, and he's an interesting guy, David,

763
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 2>and I was kind of it was funny when him

764
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 2>and I sat down to have a conversation. I forget

765
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 2>did I have him? I think I had him on

766
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>my show. But but there there there was a little

767
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.039
<v Speaker 2>back and forth there and it was fascinating. And a

768
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>bunch of those guys that do the Nights of the

769
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Storm thing, uh have been really interesting. I was talking

770
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:36.840
<v Speaker 2>to a bunch of them for a bit there, Wash Geez,

771
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the one guy what is he Angry Tiger or something

772
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:39.639
<v Speaker 2>like that.

773
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 3>Angry Tiger. Yeah, at Jason, those guys that kind of

774
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.719
<v Speaker 3>got my start with in the podcasting industry when I

775
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 3>was first really green. They kind of took me on

776
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 3>and were like, let's do some episodes. And you know,

777
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.280
<v Speaker 3>I actually had a lot of like personal revelations with

778
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 3>those guys. They pulled things on to me that I've

779
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.119
<v Speaker 3>never really talked about on some of those like addiction

780
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 3>episodes that we did.

781
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 2>So they were a lot of fun.

782
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 3>There's still a lot of fun to talk to.

783
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, an addiction is a subject that you know, sadly,

784
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:14.039
<v Speaker 2>it's not just in the alternative community, so to speak,

785
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 2>but I mean it's it's ubiquitous. I mean it is.

786
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>It is completely overrunning the country in one way or another,

787
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 2>in one wave or another. I find it fascinating that

788
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>people are so hung up on the opioid crisis, you know,

789
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>in the past few years, because to me, the opioid

790
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 2>crisis has not gone away since the nineteen seventies. And

791
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 2>the only reason why I start counting theirs because that's

792
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 2>when I was born, you know.

793
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.960
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I mean yeah, if you really look at

794
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 3>the history of opio this is something was brought over

795
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 3>in the you know, the eighteen hundreds from China, and

796
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 3>it's it's been here ever since, very heavily.

797
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, absolutely, And I mean and I'm one

798
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.360
<v Speaker 2>of these guys. I mean I did. I did a

799
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>few episodes on that that that kind of blew people's

800
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 2>minds because you know, at a certain point, I had

801
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to prove myself useful as a street level kid. And

802
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 2>how did I do it? Well, the manufacturer and distribution

803
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.119
<v Speaker 2>of various chemicals. Uh, what's how I did it?

804
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 4>You know?

805
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>And literally I was I was whacking you know, I

806
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>was whacking up packages at the age of nine, you

807
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. This, this is the kind of

808
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 2>kid I was because I had to survive. And I

809
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>call that, you know, parts of the invisible American reality

810
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>because parts of America are invisible. Why are they invisible?

811
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 2>Because nobody wants to see it, and a whole lot

812
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>of people act like they don't. And truthfully, these things

813
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>occur in the same space in your town, in your

814
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 2>very same you know, apartment complexes and all that stuff,

815
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.920
<v Speaker 2>right next door to people who think, you know, I'm

816
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.400
<v Speaker 2>in a good neighborhood. This is a law abiding citizen.

817
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 2>This is and there is another reality always going on

818
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.079
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes, so to speak, you know. And so

819
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>it's the invisible part of America. And we live in

820
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.679
<v Speaker 2>a weird time where even the California governor is now

821
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>making a declaration today I think about, you know, moving

822
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 2>homeless encampments around and things like this, and it's funny

823
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 2>because again I remember that as a battle from all

824
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the time when I was a kid. I have been

825
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>homeless more than once in my life. And again, it's

826
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>one of those things that people want to ignore and

827
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 2>otherwise and that's it, you know. They don't want to

828
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 2>treat it like it's part of what's going on in

829
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 2>this country, and you know what it has been. It

830
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.679
<v Speaker 2>is and it will continue to be until you know,

831
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 2>certain inequities are addressed. Anyways, but people blame other people

832
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times for the circumstances that quite frankly,

833
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.599
<v Speaker 2>are almost inescapable. And why am I talking about this

834
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 2>because addiction is one of those things. How you don't

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<v Speaker 2>wind up on a chemical in our culture at this

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<v Speaker 2>point is a miracle, you know what I mean. It's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things that you almost can't avoid because

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<v Speaker 2>either a doctor's gonna shove it down your throat, or

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna seek to find escape at some point, or

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna find that you have a chronic condition you

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<v Speaker 2>need to address. And the mentality, whether it's the above

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<v Speaker 2>boards America and the DEA endorsed you know, prescription pad

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<v Speaker 2>that you get something written on, or it is your

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<v Speaker 2>you know, street level pharmaceutical consultant. You can find drugs everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just our culture at this point. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody escapes as far as I'm concerned, because if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not hooked on something, you know, people that are you

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<v Speaker 2>definitely do. And I don't mean just you, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I'm using the general you. Yeah, yeah, welcome to America.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like, welcome to America. Are you high yet?

851
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is just what we do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we put it in our drinks, we put it in

853
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<v Speaker 2>our food there is nothing but junk for every kind

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<v Speaker 2>of junkie here in America. But anyway, enough for that soapbox.

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<v Speaker 2>My point is that we have a reality that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people want to ignore. They want to selectively

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<v Speaker 2>embrace it. And that's the reason why comedians and musicians

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<v Speaker 2>and people that really do create something that speaks from

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<v Speaker 2>their soul, from their experience one way or another. This

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<v Speaker 2>is why that stuff is valuable. A lot of people say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, entertainment is just junk, and you know what,

862
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<v Speaker 2>there's plenty of junk for the junkie, yes always, but

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<v Speaker 2>there are legitimate things that are being created and are

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<v Speaker 2>meant to, you know, relate something to someone that they

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<v Speaker 2>might not have previously understood. And there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>ways to go about it. And I love the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you're going more for the direct approach and you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get into the blues. Probably you know, this

869
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<v Speaker 2>is not the end of your journey in any way,

870
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<v Speaker 2>shape or form. It's just another one of those sort

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<v Speaker 2>of through lines that you're gonna find on your path,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So anyways, again, shut up,

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<v Speaker 2>Joel is the podcast, Erroneous Method is the artist, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll I'll just turn it over to you to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of give people a final thought if you like, for tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless there's something else you want to touch on, you know,

877
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<v Speaker 2>by all means, go ahead, But otherwise we'll get done

878
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<v Speaker 2>with this. And I think this is a conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>should at least get some people thinking a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about some things, and hopefully not about the same things

881
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<v Speaker 2>that everybody else in the world right now is pretty

882
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<v Speaker 2>much discussing. Notice I didn't use the name Joe Biden

883
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<v Speaker 2>during this entire discussion. I didn't say did I say Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I say Trump? I might have said Trump, But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>trump Amania is running wild.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, trump Amania is run and wild. Hulk Hogan is

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<v Speaker 2>the man. I know, I know, I know, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala will save you all. But you know, anyhow, my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>erroneous method, go ahead, man, the floor is absolutely yours

891
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<v Speaker 2>to do with what you want.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would love for you guys to check out

893
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<v Speaker 3>my collection of music. It's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find it on pretty much anything. You can

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<v Speaker 3>buy or download music from Apple Music. I am happily

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<v Speaker 3>Shadow band. Just remember that it's erroneous method e r

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<v Speaker 3>r OH and e oh us Method. Please down those

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<v Speaker 3>those first six albums, because it really is all about

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<v Speaker 3>these alternate realities that we find ourselves in, and there

901
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<v Speaker 3>can be more than one, there can be more than two.

902
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<v Speaker 3>People can find themselves in bubbles of time and space

903
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<v Speaker 3>and lost to their own cyclone of ideas, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what the music's about. It's about exploring different concepts

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<v Speaker 3>that people find themselves falling in. So I hope you

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<v Speaker 3>check that out, and definitely check out Shut Up Joel again.

907
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<v Speaker 3>It's available on pretty much and pod that that. But

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<v Speaker 3>more than that, I hope you love and embrace each

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<v Speaker 3>other and try and find some friends out there this week,

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<v Speaker 3>because for me, it was really easy to go find

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<v Speaker 3>friends on the internet. All I did was message guys

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<v Speaker 3>like Chuck and all these other wonderful people that I've

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<v Speaker 3>met in the Alternative States. And if you feel lost

914
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<v Speaker 3>and lonely, just try and find a friend this week.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what that sounds like? Really good advice, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you we're gonna really get into alternative spaces.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, tomorrow night, I'll do the live call in

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<v Speaker 2>show for you guys. On Friday nights like we always do.

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<v Speaker 2>But on Monday, which is an unusual broadcast day for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be speaking to doctor Richard Alan Miller. And

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<v Speaker 2>you want to talk about alternative realities and a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who scares the hell out of some people. But Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Allen Miller, if you're not familiar with him erroneous method,

924
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<v Speaker 2>then you haven't gone all the way deep into every

925
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<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole, I assure you. But interesting guy, I'll say that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to broadcast with him live on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the plan so far, and I have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea what Aaron Franz is doing tomorrow night, but we

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<v Speaker 2>might get another age of transitions, which I'll produce after

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<v Speaker 2>my show and uncle the broadcast, of course, But if not,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you guys Friday and then again Monday, So

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<v Speaker 2>stay tuned to the o'heli dot com Radio Network. Thanks again,

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<v Speaker 2>erroneous Method, and thank you guys for listening, because I

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<v Speaker 2>am merely