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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, The Great American, of course. Steve Gorm is

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<v Speaker 1>the executive director of the Climate Science Polistion of America,

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<v Speaker 1>author of many books on energy, climate change, and sustainable development,

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred thousand in print. His latest book, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure. We thought

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<v Speaker 1>things were bad under Joe Biden. Fool you think it's over,

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<v Speaker 1>just Begune. I can only imagine if Kamala Harris wins

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<v Speaker 1>the presidency and the power that she will have for

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<v Speaker 1>the next four to eight years, what things look like.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Gorm, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, it's kind of odd that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to introduce Kamala Harris to the American people because she's

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<v Speaker 1>been in office for about four years. She's in the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate for about four years. You've Attorney General of California.

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<v Speaker 1>She destroyed San Francisco. It's kind of odd we have

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. But people have to know when they

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<v Speaker 1>vote for Kamala Harris what they're going to get. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of vaguely and tell us in general what

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<v Speaker 1>the policies of Kamala Harris would look like? As the

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<v Speaker 1>president should she win. Where does she stand all of

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<v Speaker 1>this green energy stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Bill, great to join you again. Yeah, she's a

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<v Speaker 2>true green believer. She was one of the original supporters

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<v Speaker 2>of Representative Acossio Cortes Green New Deal in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>which called for a lot of different things like getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of gasoline cars and transferring all of our electric

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<v Speaker 2>power over to renewables and so. And she also was

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<v Speaker 2>at that time was proposing to ban hydraulic fracturing, which

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<v Speaker 2>actually is fairly environmentally friendly. It requires a much smaller

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<v Speaker 2>land footprint than traditional methods of pulling up oil and gas.

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<v Speaker 2>And she has since I guess, reversed her position on

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<v Speaker 2>that and is now not speaking out against fracking. But

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<v Speaker 2>we have more of the same. And as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government right now is spending vast amounts of

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<v Speaker 2>money from the Inflation Reduction Act that mister Biden put

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<v Speaker 2>into President Biden put into into practice. Cato Institut is

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<v Speaker 2>estimating eighty billion dollars this fiscal year twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>in subsidies and tax breaks to all sorts of things

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<v Speaker 2>like a vehicle chargers and carbon dioxide pipelines and carbon

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<v Speaker 2>dioxide capture and storage and green hydrogen fuel. Most of

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<v Speaker 2>these industries would not exist without all this money. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bad deal for the taxpayer, and it isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to have any effect on global warming or the climate.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one thing I've noticed that when it's hot

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of summer, it's a big story. And

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<v Speaker 1>according to the New York Times, we just went through

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<v Speaker 1>the four hottest days ever on the planet Earth. We

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<v Speaker 1>just can cite it was hot. I live in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It's eighty one degrees. We've had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of ninety degree days, but mainly it's in the mid eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't appear to be here. But the forest fires that

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<v Speaker 1>are happening, they lead every nightly newscast is demonstrating caused

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<v Speaker 1>by global warming. We have a hurricane supposedly developing here.

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<v Speaker 1>It is almost it's August, and we haven't had but

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<v Speaker 1>one hurricane strike off to the side of Texas and

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<v Speaker 1>we've had none. Every time we're told it's the hottest

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<v Speaker 1>it's ever been, how do you respond.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's just wrong. They're talking about average global temperature

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<v Speaker 2>and we only have about fifty years of that data.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can give you all sorts of exampless when

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<v Speaker 2>it was when it was warmer in the past. The

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<v Speaker 2>Rome Glacier in Switzerland exists today in a valley that

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<v Speaker 2>was ice free for most of the last ten thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>The men in Hall Glacier near Juno in Alaska is

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on the site of what was a forest. They've

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<v Speaker 2>gone down into ice caves and found trees with roots

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<v Speaker 2>still in the ground one thousand years old. That used

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<v Speaker 2>to be a forest, now it's a glacier. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>tree stump in Northwest Territory of Canada five thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>old that is one hundred and fifty kilometers north of

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<v Speaker 2>the tree line. I mean, there's just many, many examples

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<v Speaker 2>that whin it was warmer in the past. But as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we get all this stuff in the media

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<v Speaker 2>about how the United Nations says the planet is boiling.

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<v Speaker 2>They're saying we're hating more hurricanes when we're actually getting

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<v Speaker 2>less landfalls according to Noah's data. So there's just much

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<v Speaker 2>there's much of this stuff, and it's driving the powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>powerful ideology of climatism, which basically says you have to

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<v Speaker 2>ban everything. That's the new favorite favorite policy of the

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<v Speaker 2>climate change movement, banning of cars, banning of appliances. One guy,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned eve ons and banned campfires.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm looking to these stories. How about banning gas

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<v Speaker 1>appliance as Kamala Harris says, yes. How about banning plastic straws?

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<v Speaker 3>Hair says yes? How about banning campfires? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>How about banning cruise ship advertising? Explain that one to

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<v Speaker 1>me cruise ship advertising Harris has got to be banned.

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<v Speaker 2>Why, Well, I don't know if she's picked that up yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's in Scotland. They want to ban ads because

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<v Speaker 2>they think that cruise ships are hurting the climate. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other people who want to ban any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ads for coal, oil and natural gas. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she may be in favor of that as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's the big thing. And there's some people who

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<v Speaker 2>want to ban golf. They say, you know, golf courses

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<v Speaker 2>are luxually you can't afford with climate change. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a headline in the Salt Lake Tribune recently, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the sidebars in my book, Green Breakdown. But

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<v Speaker 2>the new tool is banned. Let's ban everything. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>gas stoves Ohio has taken the position. Ohio is one

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty four states that has passed the law saying

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't prohibit certain types of energy and new construction.

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<v Speaker 2>We now have twenty four states doing that, But the

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<v Speaker 2>seven states that are banning natural gas or propane and

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<v Speaker 2>new construction, those are the ones that get all the headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>What about California?

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<v Speaker 1>What does California do about natural gas and gas pipelines?

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that now banned?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, they tried to ban all that, but then

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<v Speaker 2>the Ninth Circuit Court just overruled the city of Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a suit brought by the restaurant owners who

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<v Speaker 2>want to cook with gas, and they challenged the Berkeley ban,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the first in the nation twenty nineteen that

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<v Speaker 2>would ban gas and new appliances, and that was overturned.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're trying to figure out another way to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, without having to say, well, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>ban in construction. We're gonna do something on efficiency maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the thing is this again, these are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to have any measurable effect on global temperatures,

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<v Speaker 2>which are dominated by natural factors.

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<v Speaker 1>Such as because right now we can regulate ourselves in

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<v Speaker 1>a non existence. Kamala Harris at one point said smart

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<v Speaker 1>thermostats are a good idea because if you got your

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<v Speaker 1>house too cool in the summer, too warm in the winter,

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<v Speaker 1>the government can override and say you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's happening in India, Pakistan, Russia and China. We

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<v Speaker 1>can regulate ourselves into poverty and we'll go nowhere because

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<v Speaker 1>of what they're doing. What's happening in most of the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world outside of Europe and America when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to banning certain appliances, banning plastic straws, banning

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<v Speaker 1>coal fired power plants, banning nuclear power plants, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest producer of electricity ever, what's happening in the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's well, China is the biggest user of coal

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<v Speaker 2>today that uses more than half of the world's coal.

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<v Speaker 2>India is a big user of coal. Actually, coal produces

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five percent of the world's electricity right now. People

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize that it is the biggest producer of electricity,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet we still have a shortage. We have seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred million people without electricity. We have another two million

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<v Speaker 2>people in the world that every day or every other

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<v Speaker 2>day have blackouts. As a matter of fact, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>an air conditioner in Ohio that one appliants has uses

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<v Speaker 2>more electricity than about a third of the world's people

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<v Speaker 2>get to use. So we need more energy, not less.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to take care pollution. Of course, that means

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<v Speaker 2>putting scrubbers on plants and dealing with other things. But

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<v Speaker 2>this idea that we can get rid of coal, we

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of gas, you know, that's just not going

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<v Speaker 2>to occur, even in the United States. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about in the past how we have a coming

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<v Speaker 2>shortage of electricity in the US because of the demands

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<v Speaker 2>of AI and the demands of all these green programs

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to push. We already see people that are

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<v Speaker 2>extending the life of coal plants. That's happening in West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to reopen one of the three Mile Island

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear plants. In Pennsylvania, Utah is extending coal plants, Wyoming

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<v Speaker 2>is extending the life of coal plants. Michigan is restarting

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<v Speaker 2>a nuclear plant the Palisades. So they're gonna restart all

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<v Speaker 2>these plants because we're not gonna have enough electricity otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's happening to the so called developing world. I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the statistics out of the UN that says

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds or thousands of children in Africa are being killed

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<v Speaker 1>every year in cobalt and radio mines because of the

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<v Speaker 1>demand for these fancy batteries that are built in China.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would note that Chrysler has advised those who

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<v Speaker 1>drive mini vans which are plugging mini vans not to

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<v Speaker 1>plug them in and to keep the mini vans out

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<v Speaker 1>of your garage because of there's a fear of explosion

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<v Speaker 1>of these fancy batteries that you can't drive, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>plug them in, You got to keep them outside because

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<v Speaker 1>of fires inside your house. And Cincinnati and Mason, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>which is part of Cincinnati, we had some kid with

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<v Speaker 1>a scooter that had one of these fancy batteries attached.

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<v Speaker 1>He was firing it up in the garage, plugged it

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<v Speaker 1>in and to burn down the house and partially the

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<v Speaker 1>house next door. Explain the dangers of these batteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have touched on two problems. One is one

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<v Speaker 2>is the uh, the environmental problem with batteries, but another

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<v Speaker 2>is that they just ignite and yeah, uh e bikes

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<v Speaker 2>are now the biggest source of fires in New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>They're having over it climbed from nothing four years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's over two hundred fires a year. And these

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<v Speaker 2>things just self ignite on the first floor and end

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<v Speaker 2>up bringing down a building. Australia is having a huge

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<v Speaker 2>number of e byke fires as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why they don't you know, they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>you to bring an electric battery in the baggage on

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<v Speaker 2>your plane. They don't want it going up in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the baggage area. But so we got we got

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<v Speaker 2>issues with combustion. But as you say, uh, people think

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<v Speaker 2>that electric vehicles are very environmentally friendly, but they don't

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<v Speaker 2>realize all the work that that that goes to produce

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<v Speaker 2>metals for these batteries. Like the Democratic Republic of Congo

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest producer of cobalt in the world cobalt or

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<v Speaker 2>and they use a child labor and forced labor to

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<v Speaker 2>get that or of the hills. Then it goes to

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<v Speaker 2>China to produce cobalt metal for the battery. And there

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<v Speaker 2>we have vast areas that are polluted. The most famous

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<v Speaker 2>by metal waste, and that comes to the US. You

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<v Speaker 2>can drive your Tesla and you think, wow, it's environmentally

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<v Speaker 2>friendly because it doesn't emit carbon dioxide. But nobody sees

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<v Speaker 2>the train of social and environmental damage all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to get that car.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the Democrats are proposing that more black kids

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<v Speaker 1>in Congo be put into chattel slavery, causing hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>debts to mine the cobalt. And why doesn't I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>shocked if CBS, NBC, PBS would actually send a crew

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<v Speaker 1>to the Congo and look at the lives of these

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of kids in the mines being exploited, and the

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<v Speaker 1>debts and the injuries being caused. Have you seen any

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<v Speaker 1>story about that from CBS News.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not, not recently. They're they're pretty disconnected. We

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<v Speaker 2>also have issues with forced labor in China, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to do a number of different things. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>Congress that has kind of frowned on that and is

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<v Speaker 2>putting some restrictions on China. But the old Biden policy

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<v Speaker 2>to shift from coal, oil and natural gas. We're the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest producer of oil and natural gas in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest exporter and shift everybody to be dependent on

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<v Speaker 2>China for all these metals for wind turbines and solar

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<v Speaker 2>panels and electric vehicles. That doesn't seem to make much sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But if we get Miss Harrison there, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get more of the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, can you imagine eight years of Kamala Harris and

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<v Speaker 1>the White House? What would America look like? Energy wise?

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<v Speaker 1>I look at all the UN reports, am I right?

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<v Speaker 1>In the last since eighteen eighty, since the days of gunsmoke,

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<v Speaker 1>the UN says that the average world temperature has gone

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<v Speaker 1>up two degrees, which is probably a positive thing. Ten

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<v Speaker 1>times more people die of cold than warm. But can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine eight years of Kamala Harris believing the American

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<v Speaker 1>people want this imposed upon us. What does American look

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<v Speaker 1>like after eight years at Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do think that people are going to revolt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're just they're just not going to take

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<v Speaker 2>so much. I mean California, for example, prices have risen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six percent in the last fifteen years. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>up about ten or fifteen percent a year for electricity,

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<v Speaker 2>and you read all these stories about people that have

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a month electric bills. If they're run their

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<v Speaker 2>they run their air conditional, they get a thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>bill for a month. I mean, that's just just something

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<v Speaker 2>nobody can stand. Across the country, we have a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>amount of people that are opposing wind and solar. It's

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<v Speaker 2>rising and rising. Robert Bryce is tracking this kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think people are going And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we of course we have a installed market for eves

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<v Speaker 2>now people can't charge them. Hurtz just got rid of

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<v Speaker 2>all their sixty sixty thousand electric vehicles because even owners

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<v Speaker 2>are going to push back on this regardless of the election.

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<v Speaker 2>But just a question the amount of pain that we

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<v Speaker 1>And right now there's great pain because right now we

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<v Speaker 1>because of all the AI centers. We have fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants coming in using devices, using the roadways, actually living

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<v Speaker 1>in places, driving up all the cost of housing, cost

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<v Speaker 1>of medical care. And if we get an additional fifty

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<v Speaker 1>and the next ten years we have to double energy

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<v Speaker 1>production without using nuclear, without using natural gas, without using coal.

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<v Speaker 1>And these windmills aren't working, and the solar panels come

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<v Speaker 1>from China. And I look at this, Steve gorm, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope the American people put this in the mix. When

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<v Speaker 1>you consider that Jade Vance said four or five years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Cat ladies that somehow trumps Kamala Harris's energy policies, which

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<v Speaker 1>will cost average Americans literally thousands of dollars every month

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<v Speaker 1>in additional expenses. And when you talk to energy experts,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to use coal, they want to use natural gas,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to restart nuclear power plants. We need the

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<v Speaker 1>more energy to function as a democracy, and without that,

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<v Speaker 1>that will be more and more people dependent upon China

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<v Speaker 1>for batteries that don't work. You might recall that the

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<v Speaker 1>energy produced by these so called five hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>was spent to have these chargers all over the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And Pete Footah Judge admitted.

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<v Speaker 1>About a month ago that for the five hundred million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>we got eight chargers and two of them don't work.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing is a farce, and I hope we

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<v Speaker 1>figured out you know, economically, we can figure this out. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to run Steve Gorean, What is your website?

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<v Speaker 1>If any people need more information about the facts, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing wrong with temperatures going up a degree or two.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it feels better. Please give the American people

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<v Speaker 1>that information.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we get ahold of Yeah, it's Steve Gorham

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<v Speaker 2>gr eh h dot com and they can order all

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<v Speaker 2>of my books. I'll send them signed copies and they

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<v Speaker 2>can learn about all the crazy things going on with climate.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the professor in Sweden who says people out to

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<v Speaker 2>eat human flesh to control global warming.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there are ebooks as well. It's on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 2>of course. But people need to educate themselves and push

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<v Speaker 2>back on our political leaders and say, why do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to raise energy prices? Why we have to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of this car? What is that going to do

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of global temperatures? Because it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do any measurable thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the cleanest environment in America we've had for

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<v Speaker 1>the past one hundred years right now, and every year

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<v Speaker 1>it gets better because of technology and that one professor

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<v Speaker 1>in Switzerland said eat human remains makes me think about

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden's uncle who was eaten by cannibals.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they were onto something.

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<v Speaker 1>But once again, Steve Gorm, thank you for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill cunning and your bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve, you're a great American. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's continue with more if a line becomes available.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the routine. Imagine a whorld dominated by the

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<v Speaker 1>socialistic viewpoints of Kamala Harris and AOC.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want that? Bill Cunningham, the Great American on

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<v Speaker 3>seven hundred WLW