Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, The Great American, of course. Steve Gorm is
Speaker 1: the executive director of the Climate Science Polistion of America,
Speaker 1: author of many books on energy, climate change, and sustainable development,
Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand in print. His latest book, of course,
Speaker 1: is Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure. We thought
Speaker 1: things were bad under Joe Biden. Fool you think it's over,
Speaker 1: just Begune. I can only imagine if Kamala Harris wins
Speaker 1: the presidency and the power that she will have for
Speaker 1: the next four to eight years, what things look like.
Speaker 1: Steve Gorm, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Steve,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's kind of odd that we have
Speaker 1: to introduce Kamala Harris to the American people because she's
Speaker 1: been in office for about four years. She's in the
Speaker 1: Senate for about four years. You've Attorney General of California.
Speaker 1: She destroyed San Francisco. It's kind of odd we have
Speaker 1: to do this. But people have to know when they
Speaker 1: vote for Kamala Harris what they're going to get. Can
Speaker 1: you kind of vaguely and tell us in general what
Speaker 1: the policies of Kamala Harris would look like? As the
Speaker 1: president should she win. Where does she stand all of
Speaker 1: this green energy stuff?
Speaker 2: Hey, Bill, great to join you again. Yeah, she's a
Speaker 2: true green believer. She was one of the original supporters
Speaker 2: of Representative Acossio Cortes Green New Deal in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: which called for a lot of different things like getting
Speaker 2: rid of gasoline cars and transferring all of our electric
Speaker 2: power over to renewables and so. And she also was
Speaker 2: at that time was proposing to ban hydraulic fracturing, which
Speaker 2: actually is fairly environmentally friendly. It requires a much smaller
Speaker 2: land footprint than traditional methods of pulling up oil and gas.
Speaker 2: And she has since I guess, reversed her position on
Speaker 2: that and is now not speaking out against fracking. But
Speaker 2: we have more of the same. And as you know,
Speaker 2: the federal government right now is spending vast amounts of
Speaker 2: money from the Inflation Reduction Act that mister Biden put
Speaker 2: into President Biden put into into practice. Cato Institut is
Speaker 2: estimating eighty billion dollars this fiscal year twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: in subsidies and tax breaks to all sorts of things
Speaker 2: like a vehicle chargers and carbon dioxide pipelines and carbon
Speaker 2: dioxide capture and storage and green hydrogen fuel. Most of
Speaker 2: these industries would not exist without all this money. So
Speaker 2: it's a bad deal for the taxpayer, and it isn't
Speaker 2: going to have any effect on global warming or the climate.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I've noticed that when it's hot
Speaker 1: in the middle of summer, it's a big story. And
Speaker 1: according to the New York Times, we just went through
Speaker 1: the four hottest days ever on the planet Earth. We
Speaker 1: just can cite it was hot. I live in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: right now. It's eighty one degrees. We've had a couple
Speaker 1: of ninety degree days, but mainly it's in the mid eighties.
Speaker 1: Doesn't appear to be here. But the forest fires that
Speaker 1: are happening, they lead every nightly newscast is demonstrating caused
Speaker 1: by global warming. We have a hurricane supposedly developing here.
Speaker 1: It is almost it's August, and we haven't had but
Speaker 1: one hurricane strike off to the side of Texas and
Speaker 1: we've had none. Every time we're told it's the hottest
Speaker 1: it's ever been, how do you respond.
Speaker 2: Well, that's just wrong. They're talking about average global temperature
Speaker 2: and we only have about fifty years of that data.
Speaker 2: But I can give you all sorts of exampless when
Speaker 2: it was when it was warmer in the past. The
Speaker 2: Rome Glacier in Switzerland exists today in a valley that
Speaker 2: was ice free for most of the last ten thousand years.
Speaker 2: The men in Hall Glacier near Juno in Alaska is
Speaker 2: sitting on the site of what was a forest. They've
Speaker 2: gone down into ice caves and found trees with roots
Speaker 2: still in the ground one thousand years old. That used
Speaker 2: to be a forest, now it's a glacier. There's a
Speaker 2: tree stump in Northwest Territory of Canada five thousand years
Speaker 2: old that is one hundred and fifty kilometers north of
Speaker 2: the tree line. I mean, there's just many, many examples
Speaker 2: that whin it was warmer in the past. But as
Speaker 2: you know, we get all this stuff in the media
Speaker 2: about how the United Nations says the planet is boiling.
Speaker 2: They're saying we're hating more hurricanes when we're actually getting
Speaker 2: less landfalls according to Noah's data. So there's just much
Speaker 2: there's much of this stuff, and it's driving the powerful,
Speaker 2: powerful ideology of climatism, which basically says you have to
Speaker 2: ban everything. That's the new favorite favorite policy of the
Speaker 2: climate change movement, banning of cars, banning of appliances. One guy,
Speaker 2: you mentioned eve ons and banned campfires.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking to these stories. How about banning gas
Speaker 1: appliance as Kamala Harris says, yes. How about banning plastic straws?
Speaker 3: Hair says yes? How about banning campfires? Yes?
Speaker 1: How about banning cruise ship advertising? Explain that one to
Speaker 1: me cruise ship advertising Harris has got to be banned.
Speaker 2: Why, Well, I don't know if she's picked that up yet,
Speaker 2: but that's in Scotland. They want to ban ads because
Speaker 2: they think that cruise ships are hurting the climate. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of other people who want to ban any
Speaker 2: kind of ads for coal, oil and natural gas. I
Speaker 2: think she may be in favor of that as well,
Speaker 2: but that's the big thing. And there's some people who
Speaker 2: want to ban golf. They say, you know, golf courses
Speaker 2: are luxually you can't afford with climate change. That was
Speaker 2: a headline in the Salt Lake Tribune recently, and that's
Speaker 2: one of the sidebars in my book, Green Breakdown. But
Speaker 2: the new tool is banned. Let's ban everything. By the way,
Speaker 2: gas stoves Ohio has taken the position. Ohio is one
Speaker 2: of twenty four states that has passed the law saying
Speaker 2: that you can't prohibit certain types of energy and new construction.
Speaker 2: We now have twenty four states doing that, But the
Speaker 2: seven states that are banning natural gas or propane and
Speaker 2: new construction, those are the ones that get all the headlines.
Speaker 3: What about California?
Speaker 1: What does California do about natural gas and gas pipelines?
Speaker 3: Isn't that now banned?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they tried to ban all that, but then
Speaker 2: the Ninth Circuit Court just overruled the city of Berkeley.
Speaker 2: There was a suit brought by the restaurant owners who
Speaker 2: want to cook with gas, and they challenged the Berkeley ban,
Speaker 2: which was the first in the nation twenty nineteen that
Speaker 2: would ban gas and new appliances, and that was overturned.
Speaker 2: So they're trying to figure out another way to do it,
Speaker 2: you know, without having to say, well, we're going to
Speaker 2: ban in construction. We're gonna do something on efficiency maybe.
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing is this again, these are
Speaker 2: not going to have any measurable effect on global temperatures,
Speaker 2: which are dominated by natural factors.
Speaker 1: Such as because right now we can regulate ourselves in
Speaker 1: a non existence. Kamala Harris at one point said smart
Speaker 1: thermostats are a good idea because if you got your
Speaker 1: house too cool in the summer, too warm in the winter,
Speaker 1: the government can override and say you can't do that.
Speaker 1: But what's happening in India, Pakistan, Russia and China. We
Speaker 1: can regulate ourselves into poverty and we'll go nowhere because
Speaker 1: of what they're doing. What's happening in most of the
Speaker 1: rest of the world outside of Europe and America when
Speaker 1: it comes to banning certain appliances, banning plastic straws, banning
Speaker 1: coal fired power plants, banning nuclear power plants, which is
Speaker 1: the greatest producer of electricity ever, what's happening in the
Speaker 1: rest of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's well, China is the biggest user of coal
Speaker 2: today that uses more than half of the world's coal.
Speaker 2: India is a big user of coal. Actually, coal produces
Speaker 2: thirty five percent of the world's electricity right now. People
Speaker 2: don't realize that it is the biggest producer of electricity,
Speaker 2: and yet we still have a shortage. We have seven
Speaker 2: hundred million people without electricity. We have another two million
Speaker 2: people in the world that every day or every other
Speaker 2: day have blackouts. As a matter of fact, if you have
Speaker 2: an air conditioner in Ohio that one appliants has uses
Speaker 2: more electricity than about a third of the world's people
Speaker 2: get to use. So we need more energy, not less.
Speaker 2: We need to take care pollution. Of course, that means
Speaker 2: putting scrubbers on plants and dealing with other things. But
Speaker 2: this idea that we can get rid of coal, we
Speaker 2: get rid of gas, you know, that's just not going
Speaker 2: to occur, even in the United States. I think we
Speaker 2: talked about in the past how we have a coming
Speaker 2: shortage of electricity in the US because of the demands
Speaker 2: of AI and the demands of all these green programs
Speaker 2: they're trying to push. We already see people that are
Speaker 2: extending the life of coal plants. That's happening in West Virginia.
Speaker 2: They want to reopen one of the three Mile Island
Speaker 2: nuclear plants. In Pennsylvania, Utah is extending coal plants, Wyoming
Speaker 2: is extending the life of coal plants. Michigan is restarting
Speaker 2: a nuclear plant the Palisades. So they're gonna restart all
Speaker 2: these plants because we're not gonna have enough electricity otherwise.
Speaker 1: And what's happening to the so called developing world. I
Speaker 1: look at the statistics out of the UN that says
Speaker 1: hundreds or thousands of children in Africa are being killed
Speaker 1: every year in cobalt and radio mines because of the
Speaker 1: demand for these fancy batteries that are built in China.
Speaker 1: And I would note that Chrysler has advised those who
Speaker 1: drive mini vans which are plugging mini vans not to
Speaker 1: plug them in and to keep the mini vans out
Speaker 1: of your garage because of there's a fear of explosion
Speaker 1: of these fancy batteries that you can't drive, you can't
Speaker 1: plug them in, You got to keep them outside because
Speaker 1: of fires inside your house. And Cincinnati and Mason, Ohio,
Speaker 1: which is part of Cincinnati, we had some kid with
Speaker 1: a scooter that had one of these fancy batteries attached.
Speaker 1: He was firing it up in the garage, plugged it
Speaker 1: in and to burn down the house and partially the
Speaker 1: house next door. Explain the dangers of these batteries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have touched on two problems. One is one
Speaker 2: is the uh, the environmental problem with batteries, but another
Speaker 2: is that they just ignite and yeah, uh e bikes
Speaker 2: are now the biggest source of fires in New York City.
Speaker 2: They're having over it climbed from nothing four years ago.
Speaker 2: Now it's over two hundred fires a year. And these
Speaker 2: things just self ignite on the first floor and end
Speaker 2: up bringing down a building. Australia is having a huge
Speaker 2: number of e byke fires as well.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's why they don't you know, they don't want
Speaker 2: you to bring an electric battery in the baggage on
Speaker 2: your plane. They don't want it going up in the
Speaker 2: in the baggage area. But so we got we got
Speaker 2: issues with combustion. But as you say, uh, people think
Speaker 2: that electric vehicles are very environmentally friendly, but they don't
Speaker 2: realize all the work that that that goes to produce
Speaker 2: metals for these batteries. Like the Democratic Republic of Congo
Speaker 2: the biggest producer of cobalt in the world cobalt or
Speaker 2: and they use a child labor and forced labor to
Speaker 2: get that or of the hills. Then it goes to
Speaker 2: China to produce cobalt metal for the battery. And there
Speaker 2: we have vast areas that are polluted. The most famous
Speaker 2: one is u is Rare Earth Lake, which as far
Speaker 2: as you can see in every direction has been polluted
Speaker 2: by metal waste, and that comes to the US. You
Speaker 2: can drive your Tesla and you think, wow, it's environmentally
Speaker 2: friendly because it doesn't emit carbon dioxide. But nobody sees
Speaker 2: the train of social and environmental damage all the way
Speaker 2: to get that car.
Speaker 1: In fact, the Democrats are proposing that more black kids
Speaker 1: in Congo be put into chattel slavery, causing hundreds of
Speaker 1: debts to mine the cobalt. And why doesn't I'd be
Speaker 1: shocked if CBS, NBC, PBS would actually send a crew
Speaker 1: to the Congo and look at the lives of these
Speaker 1: thousands of kids in the mines being exploited, and the
Speaker 1: debts and the injuries being caused. Have you seen any
Speaker 1: story about that from CBS News.
Speaker 2: I have not, not recently. They're they're pretty disconnected. We
Speaker 2: also have issues with forced labor in China, as you know,
Speaker 2: to do a number of different things. I think there's
Speaker 2: Congress that has kind of frowned on that and is
Speaker 2: putting some restrictions on China. But the old Biden policy
Speaker 2: to shift from coal, oil and natural gas. We're the
Speaker 2: biggest producer of oil and natural gas in the world.
Speaker 2: The biggest exporter and shift everybody to be dependent on
Speaker 2: China for all these metals for wind turbines and solar
Speaker 2: panels and electric vehicles. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
Speaker 2: But if we get Miss Harrison there, we're going to
Speaker 2: get more of the same.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, can you imagine eight years of Kamala Harris and
Speaker 1: the White House? What would America look like? Energy wise?
Speaker 1: I look at all the UN reports, am I right?
Speaker 1: In the last since eighteen eighty, since the days of gunsmoke,
Speaker 1: the UN says that the average world temperature has gone
Speaker 1: up two degrees, which is probably a positive thing. Ten
Speaker 1: times more people die of cold than warm. But can
Speaker 1: you imagine eight years of Kamala Harris believing the American
Speaker 1: people want this imposed upon us. What does American look
Speaker 1: like after eight years at Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: Well, I do think that people are going to revolt.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just they're just not going to take
Speaker 2: so much. I mean California, for example, prices have risen
Speaker 2: ninety six percent in the last fifteen years. They're going
Speaker 2: up about ten or fifteen percent a year for electricity,
Speaker 2: and you read all these stories about people that have
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month electric bills. If they're run their
Speaker 2: they run their air conditional, they get a thousand dollars
Speaker 2: bill for a month. I mean, that's just just something
Speaker 2: nobody can stand. Across the country, we have a tremendous
Speaker 2: amount of people that are opposing wind and solar. It's
Speaker 2: rising and rising. Robert Bryce is tracking this kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and so I think people are going And by the way,
Speaker 2: we of course we have a installed market for eves
Speaker 2: now people can't charge them. Hurtz just got rid of
Speaker 2: all their sixty sixty thousand electric vehicles because even owners
Speaker 2: that come to rent a car from Hurtz don't want
Speaker 2: to drive an EV. So no, I do think people
Speaker 2: are going to push back on this regardless of the election.
Speaker 2: But just a question the amount of pain that we
Speaker 2: have to go through to get back to sensible energy policies.
Speaker 1: And right now there's great pain because right now we
Speaker 1: need to double energy production over the next ten years
Speaker 1: because of all the AI centers. We have fifty million
Speaker 1: immigrants coming in using devices, using the roadways, actually living
Speaker 1: in places, driving up all the cost of housing, cost
Speaker 1: of medical care. And if we get an additional fifty
Speaker 1: million people and these AI centers all over the place,
Speaker 1: and the next ten years we have to double energy
Speaker 1: production without using nuclear, without using natural gas, without using coal.
Speaker 1: And these windmills aren't working, and the solar panels come
Speaker 1: from China. And I look at this, Steve gorm, I
Speaker 1: hope the American people put this in the mix. When
Speaker 1: you consider that Jade Vance said four or five years ago,
Speaker 1: Cat ladies that somehow trumps Kamala Harris's energy policies, which
Speaker 1: will cost average Americans literally thousands of dollars every month
Speaker 1: in additional expenses. And when you talk to energy experts,
Speaker 1: they want to use coal, they want to use natural gas,
Speaker 1: they want to restart nuclear power plants. We need the
Speaker 1: more energy to function as a democracy, and without that,
Speaker 1: that will be more and more people dependent upon China
Speaker 1: for batteries that don't work. You might recall that the
Speaker 1: energy produced by these so called five hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: was spent to have these chargers all over the country.
Speaker 3: And Pete Footah Judge admitted.
Speaker 1: About a month ago that for the five hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: we got eight chargers and two of them don't work.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is a farce, and I hope we
Speaker 1: figured out you know, economically, we can figure this out. Well,
Speaker 1: we got to run Steve Gorean, What is your website?
Speaker 1: If any people need more information about the facts, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with temperatures going up a degree or two.
Speaker 1: In fact, it feels better. Please give the American people
Speaker 1: that information.
Speaker 2: How do we get ahold of Yeah, it's Steve Gorham
Speaker 2: gr eh h dot com and they can order all
Speaker 2: of my books. I'll send them signed copies and they
Speaker 2: can learn about all the crazy things going on with climate.
Speaker 2: Like the professor in Sweden who says people out to
Speaker 2: eat human flesh to control global warming.
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are ebooks as well. It's on Amazon,
Speaker 2: of course. But people need to educate themselves and push
Speaker 2: back on our political leaders and say, why do you
Speaker 2: want to raise energy prices? Why we have to get
Speaker 2: rid of this car? What is that going to do
Speaker 2: in terms of global temperatures? Because it's not going to
Speaker 2: do any measurable thing.
Speaker 1: We have the cleanest environment in America we've had for
Speaker 1: the past one hundred years right now, and every year
Speaker 1: it gets better because of technology and that one professor
Speaker 1: in Switzerland said eat human remains makes me think about
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's uncle who was eaten by cannibals.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were onto something.
Speaker 1: But once again, Steve Gorm, thank you for coming on
Speaker 1: the Bill cunning and your bill.
Speaker 3: Steve, you're a great American. Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, let's continue with more if a line becomes available.
Speaker 1: You know the routine. Imagine a whorld dominated by the
Speaker 1: socialistic viewpoints of Kamala Harris and AOC.
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