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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirtley You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. We are here in Atoka, Oklahoma. Oh wait, no,

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I'm sorry, that's where the rooster's from. We're not in Atoka,

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but we are in Norman, Oklahoma, and we are being

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joined by our good friend James Buckley, back from Louisiana,

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joining us to attack Alison Chains versus Stone Temple Pilots. Yeah,

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how you doing, James?

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Speaker 2: I am doing wonderfully, guys. It's always a thrill to

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talk to you, guys, and it's always a thrill to

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talk about one of my favorite topics.

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Speaker 3: Both of these albums are turning thirty in about a month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to let you guys know. Two days ago

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it was what would have been Lane Stay's fifty fifth birthday.

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Three days ago it was the thirty second anniversary or Facelift.

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And by the time this episode comes out, it will

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be September, which is when both Core and Dirt came

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out on the same day, September twenty ninth, thirty years ago.

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This September.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible. I can't believe these albums are that old.

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We're old, man, Yeah, I mean, we're alternative. Should not

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be thirty years old.

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Speaker 2: I distinct we remember buying both of these albums at

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the record store, and my hairline also remembers, yes, because

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I had one that's definitely changed over the past thirty years.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know the funny thing is that this was

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originally slated for season two on the twenty ninth anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were like, why would we do that?

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That's dumb, you kid do twenty nine. No, let's do

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thirty thirty.

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Speaker 3: So here we are pushed from season two now in

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season three, Stone Temple Pilot's Core versus Alsa Jains Dirt.

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What were you doing in ninety two, James?

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Speaker 2: I was in college. I had taken one of my

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frequent sabbaticals and I had just come back. I was

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trying to get wrapped up.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing in ninety two? Deep in ninety two,

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I was in a band myself. We were covering STP songs.

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I was learning how to play Rooster on the guitar.

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It would I love. Rooster taught me that chords don't

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have to be regular chords. You can take a chord

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and just throw it anywhere on the guitar and it

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might end up sounding.

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Speaker 2: Goof just added that to the set list again. So

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if you ever come through Monro, We're gonna grab you

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up on stage. I'm telling you now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can still pull it out.

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I don't know about a lead, but I can definitely

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do the intro for sure. Yes, I'll be there for

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that one man.

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Speaker 2: Oh it'll be a fun show. I guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: James, you are an admin on one of the nineties

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groups on Facebook, right correct.

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Speaker 2: That was a very special musical era for me. I

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came up out of the eighties. I was huge metal head,

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but I had a dark secret. I like bands like

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depeche Mode, you know, The Cure, The Fix, the Police

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at the same time, so when the nineties alternative stuff,

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when I started hearing bands like Nirvana and Toad, the

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Wet Sprocket and the Womenheads, that resonated with me because

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it seemed to combine my two favorite things so fairly

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aggressive guitar and drums, slightly more introspective lyrics. So I

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was a happy man for about ten years.

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Speaker 1: Before we keep going, I want to give a quick

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shout out to my good friend Kevin Davis. Kevin is

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a guy who one night as I was sitting down

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to study up on one of our episodes, is like, hey,

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then your kid Russell And I was like, uh, yeah,

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he's there right now, and he goes, Yep, my grandson too.

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And we got to talking and his grandson's name is Halen,

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as in Van Halen, and I was like, we are

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going to be best friends. Wow, We're totally going to

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be best friends. And so I turned him onto the

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podcast and he has been a avid listener since I

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showed him the podcast. And he gave us a music review.

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And James is back from our comparison of Girls Girls

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Girls in White Snake, and he gave us a review

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on that one. So I just wanted to read it.

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Kevin says, I agree with the host that White Snake

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was much better than Girls Girls Girls. The crew can

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light their white Johnson's on fire and I wouldn't care.

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Thanks for another great show. Now I must return to

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my Marble arts.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome, Kevin, Thank you so much. He does like

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multiple reviews. He throws him out all the time.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Just about every episode he'll give us a

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new review, and I see him all the time. I

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go to that same restaurant all the time, and we

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just talked up. He is a fantastic guy. When I

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told him we were doing Alison Chains, he was like,

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Oh my gosh, one of my favorite bands. So decided

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for that. This one's for you, Kevin, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, the guitar player for my band saw

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Motley Crue in Texas last night.

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Speaker 1: What's the verdict, Well.

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Speaker 2: He said there were still really entertaining. Vince was a

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bit off, but he said that Tommy Lee, possibly in

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light of recent online shenanigans, instead of encouraging the women

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in the audience to flash him, he encouraged the men

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in the audience to to expose their giraffes. Let's just

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say it that lay.

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Speaker 1: You Me and Mike Johnson, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Preston said, no one did.

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Speaker 1: So, Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Allison Chains. I distinctly remember back in the eighties and

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nineties there was a magazine called Rip or Rip or

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whatever so metal magazine yep. At the end they would

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always have a really extensive selection of reviews. Because I

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lived in a very rural area, I was always worried

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I was missing out on something cool and I remember

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reading the review for Facelift, the first Allison Chains out.

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I was on a massive Sabbath kick at the time,

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and they hit all the right notes with the reviews

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said slow, doomy riffs, founding drums, black Sabbath influence. So

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I went to a local record store over the next

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few days and actually found a copy of face Lyft,

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and ah, man, it was love at first Listen, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: It is a great album. And then of course that

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Man in the Box off of that album is what

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brought them into the spotlight.

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Speaker 3: You know, the year that I graduated from high school

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was nineteen ninety one, and so so fall of ninety

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one is when the grunge thing really catches fire. You know,

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Facelift predates that a little bit, and so we were

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aware of Alison Chains or whatever. But when I left

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my hometown and went to the university, there's a shift

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in music, and so it's very easy for me to

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split high school music in college music.

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Speaker 1: And this is one of those that was very very college.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I was in early college, but that's still more transition.

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I had a couple of cool friends who were much

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cooler than I was, kept saying you need to listen

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to this. You need to listen to that. They warped

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me forever. I'm afraid.

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Speaker 1: Were you guys ready to jump in?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's jump into the history of Alison Chains.

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Speaker 1: Okay, history of Alison Chains starts March eighteenth, nineteen sixty six,

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with the birth of little Jerry Cantrell. A little over

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a year and a half later, we have the birth

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of Lane Stay on August twenty second, nineteen sixty seven,

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and then just almost exactly two years later, there's a

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book that comes out by Doctor Seuss called My Book

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About Me and Jerry Cantrell Little Kid, Lane Staley Little

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it got to the part of what I want to

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be when I grow up, Blane Stay put I want

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to be a singer, and Jerry Cantrell put, I want

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to be a rock star. So as early as the

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late sixties early seventies, these guys had predicted their future.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys have awesome lawyers written down in your

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Dutchess book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure rock star was in my book too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, archaeologist or superhero.

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Speaker 1: Badly, I want to be a stunt man, I definitely

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had that book. Though my kids have that book. I

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think it's required reading for everyone that exists. Yep. All right,

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so we fast forward a little bit to nineteen eighty

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six and the birth of a band called Sleeves. So

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in nineteen eighty six, some high school friends Byron Hanson,

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Johnny Bicholes, Zoli Samante, and James Bergstrom put together a

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band and they needed a singer, and a friend of

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theirs named Ken Elmer says, Hey, my stepbrother really wants

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to be a singer. You should listen to him and like, Okay,

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what's his name? And he says Lane Elmer because at

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that point he was not using his own last names,

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using his stepdad's last name. Well, there's a little bit

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of argument about whether Laine actually wanted to be a

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singer or not. He was a drummer. But he went

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and did the audition for this new band that they

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were going to name Sleeves. And do you know what

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song he sang?

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Speaker 3: He sang looks that Killed by Motley Crue.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Also I saw that he also sang, now she's

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a cool, cool black.

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Speaker 2: There you go. There's some rumors that you may have

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also sang the song love Machine by Wasp.

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Speaker 1: I heard that as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just being a family oriented show, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: Well, whatever Motley Crue or Wasp song that he sang.

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They realized, this guy has got the soul and the

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timber and the voice that is going to make our band.

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He said, we didn't know what we were looking for,

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but when we saw him, we said, that's it. Yep, yep.

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Speaker 3: So interestingly, Lane Staley, you mentioned Lane Elmer, which is

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so funny because his name Lane Staley. That's his mother's

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maiden name, and of course his father's surname, and so

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Lane Staley is his parents' last names. I think that's

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really cool. And then in high school he goes by

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Lane Elmer. Right when his mother went back to his

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twentieth high school reunion, of course Lane was dead. Yes,

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she went back and people were like, wait a minute,

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wait a minute, wait a minute, are you telling me

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that Lane Elmer is the same guy as Lane Staley.

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that is crazy. And to just bring Motley Crue back

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into the mix again. His name, his birth name was

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Lane Rutherford Staley. He had it legally changed to Lane

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Thomas Staley. And do you know where the Thomas comes from? No,

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Tommy Lee. He changed his name to Thomas because remember

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he was a drummer before he was a singer. He

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loved Tommy Lee, he loved Motley Crue. He gave himself

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the middle name Thomas because of Tommy Lee. Wow, that's fantastic.

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that they might have signed. And here's where I got

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this impression. This is good. You guys are going to

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appreciate this. There was a protest going on for the PMRC.

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You guys know the PMRC, right, Yes, we've talked about

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it multiple times, right, Yes, So they were having some

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sort of town meeting there somewhere in Washington, and Frank

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Zappa was the guest speaker, and Lane Staley is in

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the audience with Backliss, and at some point he stands

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up and starts ex berating the PMRC. And of course

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he also plugs his band. Yes exact. A few times.

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Speaker 4: I played for a rock band called Sleeves, and I mean,

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there's enough controversy on our on our name more or

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less than our songs. You know, we just signed a

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local with a local record company. I don't feel there's

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anything objectionable about any of our songs, But I don't

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feel anyone anyone else has the right to rate our songs.

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I mean, I'm the only one that has the right

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to rate it. You know, my album, you don't have it.

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Speaker 3: When I watched that interview, I'm like, this looks like

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a seventeen year old kid who's just popping off about

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something dumb, and that probably his thirty year old self

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would be like that kid needs a shut up. But

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it was funny to see though. Absolutely, you know that

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Sleeves was really kind of a hair band.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was glam metal. Yeah, it was glam metal.

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they were doing it tour and they had some success.

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who was the singer for Slaughterhouse five. Butter House five.

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They're talking about Sleeves and Welcome to the Wonderland tour

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and just that word wonderland and they're whatever they were

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drinking or smoking at the time. Somehow that transitioned to

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Alice in Wonderland and Alice in Chains, and it.

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Speaker 3: Was Alice in bondage first and then it became Alice

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in Chains.

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Speaker 1: So Laane Staley's mother was very religious Christian science yep,

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very religious, and so he was like, Okay, I'm gonna

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name this band Alice Change. She's like, that's female bondage.

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By the way, if you're on Wikipedia and you see

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female bondage in blue, don't click the link. Okay, puick

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the link. I'm just giving you that advice, right, yes,

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right there, there you go. All right. Anyway, his mom

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was like, I don't really approve that. She she said,

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sleez was bad enough, but this sounds like female bondage

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and you shouldn't do it. But over her objection, he

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called it Alice and Change. But he changed the end

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to the letter in like guns in roses. Although it

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was not a copy of them. They weren't even popular

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yet at that point. Well, hey, one more thing on sleeves.

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Speaker 3: Real quick sleeves was actually in a movie. There's a

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movie called Father Rock shot in Seattle, okakay now and

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they played a couple of their songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Lane even had a speaking part in this movie,

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Shut the heck up. Yes, wow, Father Rock. I don't know.

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I didn't see it. I haven't seen it. But is

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this like a Maine for TV movie?

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Speaker 5: You know, you know, I don't know, really, Wayne and

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Garth's doing like the advertisements in all this public access

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movie Steven Spielberg produced, Sleez.

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Speaker 2: I love the name slaves compared to some of the

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names that came later. That's that almost pure in nocense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's true. That is true. Some of the

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other names that came later, we had Mathra and then

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the F word, the F word, and it wasn't the

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F word, it was the F word.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they said they even had a great merchandise like

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F word the band and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think I don't think that'll fly Wmar No.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that initially Allison Chains really took

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their cues from like Poison almost right. Their stage presence

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was you know, flash and glam. They did stuff like

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confetti and water guns.

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Speaker 1: Lane Staley talks about two of his idols. Two idols

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that he had David Bowie and Prince yep. Like I

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just was like, what this is the this is the

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guy that looks like the devil child in these videos.

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And his influences were Ziggy, Stardust and the Purple One.

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How about that. That's crazy, Let's go crazy.

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Speaker 2: He had some female acquaintance at one time who actually

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came across one of Prince's old suits. Yeah, Lane evidently

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would wear it.

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Speaker 1: He wore on stage. Oh my gosh, hey, listen to this.

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I thought this was hilarious.

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Speaker 3: So I guess Rob Halford from Jews Priest would ride

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his motorcycle on like the big stage, big concert for juice.

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Speaker 1: I'll bit for leather. There you go.

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Speaker 3: And so during early Allison Chains concerts, Lane rode a

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big wheel.

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Speaker 1: Like you pulled out on stage. You know. That is awesome.

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That is awesome.

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Speaker 3: He was actually a very upbeat, sort of positive, fun

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guy to be around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even when you read interviews with people who knew

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him later on at the height of his problem, they

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said that his personality never really changed. He was always

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a sweet, con generous guy. It's just that those demons.

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Speaker 1: Man, Dude, he.

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Speaker 3: Was in a fight with the dragon Hey, you mentioned Prince.

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When they were rehearsing in the early early days, right,

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they had this rehearsal space. They had a VCR and

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two movies. One movie was The Terminator. I can check

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out our podcast as the Terminator, and the other one

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was Peple Rain fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Was this in the music bank? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Nice? Nice told the keys would just sit in the

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office and watch them over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Said there's Lane again, always watching Pearple Rain.

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Speaker 2: Lane.

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Speaker 1: Later on will meet a guy named Jerry Cantrell. So

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before we get there, I got to give you a

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little history on Jerry Cantrell. First memory three years old,

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meeting his father when he returned from Vietnam. Four years later,

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his parents would get divorced because of the troubles that

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his dad had from returning from Vietnam. They ended up

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on welfare and food stamps. But he found some musical

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success in high school. He was the president of his

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high school choir. That he had gotten a guitar when

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he was in the sixth grade, but he really didn't

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appreciate it and pick it up and start doing anything

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until he got into high school. And so his success,

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I mean his choir that he was the president of.

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They were They sang the national anthem at shows and

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were competition winners. And so his drama and his choir

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teachers encouraged his career in music. As a gift when

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he got his first gold record, he sent them each

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copy of the gold record. That's fantastic now. That was

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several years later. Right after they encouraged him to go

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into a career in music, he quit college and went

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to go work in a guitar store down in Dallas, Texas.

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He had grown up as a kid on welfare and

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food stamps, so he wasn't afraid to be poor. But

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what the beautiful thing about what happened in Dallas was

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is that working in this store, he got his first

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what we call real guitar. It wasn't some Japanese knockoff,

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It wasn't some cheap Korean model. This was a G

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and L Rampage nineteen eighty four. And I can tell

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you that having a real guitar is a key to

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becoming a real musician. He had a couple of bands

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over there in Dallas. One was called Rays, the other

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one was called Sinister. But ultimately he ended up back

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in Washington with the band Diamond Live.

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Speaker 2: I do remember reading that the reason he originally wanted

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to play guitar was listening to a couple of early

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Elton John albums, and interestingly enough, the first concert Lane

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Staley iver remembered going to was when Elton John. His

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stepdad took him to see Elton John, and he was very.

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Speaker 1: Young around this time, huge tragedy in Jerry Cantrell's life.

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His mother and grandmother both pass away within six months

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of each other nineteen eighty six nineteen eighty seven, both

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from cancer. He falls into a significant depression. Three weeks

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after his mother's death, he meets Lane Staley. Now he

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had seen Lane Staley perform earlier with the glam metal

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version of Alison Chains.

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Speaker 3: I've got May First in nineteen eighty seven. Okay, we're

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talking about the summer of eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: Well it might be April.

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Speaker 2: What do you got?

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Speaker 1: I got April eleventh? No, No, May first? Okay, go ahead, we'll.

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Speaker 3: Go with yours somewhere between in April eleventh and May first.

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, so. Then five to four months later, Diamond

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LII played their last show. Jerry has met Lane at

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a party and they're both a little drunk, and Jerry

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somehow mentions that he's homeless, and so Lane says, Hey,

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why don't you come stay with me? I am staying

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at this rehearsal studio called the Music Bank.

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Speaker 3: By the way, when Jerry saw Lane perform one thousand Chains,

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he said, I want to be in a band with

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that guy right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, then, not too long after they've become roommates,

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the a n C breaks up, Alice in Chains breaks up,

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and so Jerry is trying to put together a new

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band because his band's broken up, and Lane is trying

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to put together a funk band and they reach disagreement.

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They're like, hey, you know, I'll sing in your band

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if you play guitar in my band, and that was

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their agreement. So Jerry Cantrell's trying to put together this band.

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Layne Staley is like, well, I played with this guy

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named Sean Kinney. He's really good. You might could use

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him as a drummer. And Jerry Cantrell is like, great,

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do you have his number? And he says no, but

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I have his girlfriend's number. He's like, okay, who's his girlfriend? Melinda? Okay, great,

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calls Melinda she says, yeah, sure, he'll come meet with you.

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So he comes plays drums for Jerry and Jerry's like,

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you're great. I think I've got a great guy to

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play bass for us. I used to play with him

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in a band called Gypsy Rose. His name's Mike Starr,

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and Sean goes, well, that's really interesting because that's Melinda's brother. Yeah,

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Melinda Starr, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: And Melinda would have a key role to play later

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on as well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And so they rehearsed together. They were playing well,

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but it was becoming a problem that there were two

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bands going on, and so at some point they just

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decided they were going to basically trick Lane into becoming

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only a singer for this. And they're like, okay, Lane,

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you know you got your band and that's fine. We

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just we can't have a guy with two bands, so

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we're going to get another singer. And he's like, oh,

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all right. And so they would audition the guys in

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front of Lane, and they picked the worst singers that

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they could find. Singer horrible singer after horrible singer, and

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Lane's just going crazy until finally they top it off.

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They throw the straw in that breaks the camel's back,

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and they have a male stripper audition as singer for

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the band, and finally Lane's like, forget it, forget it.

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I will be your singer. I will get rid of

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my funk band, and I will only sing for you guys.

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I kind of want to see the Lane's Daily Prince band. Yeah,

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you know, funk band.

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Speaker 2: Heck yeah. Ron Holt the guy who started up that band.

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It's called like forty Seconds Hate or something like that.

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A few years back he actually tried to sell a

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cassette he had online of some of their rehearsals. I

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think some early demos he recorded with Lane. I think

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the last it was up to about five thousand. I think, wow,

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so maybe maybe your Prince cover is on there somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Whoever bought that, if you're listening, put it out there

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on YouTube for us.

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Speaker 2: Sean had actually, I think met Lane several years previously.

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The band had played a beach party sleeve Sead. I

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think Sean cornered Lane after the concert and say, yeah,

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your band's great, but your drummer sucks. You need me.

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That's when the game is number Girlfriend's number.

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Speaker 1: Keavin Melnda's number. I'm I'm in between bones right now,

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here's my girlfriend's phone number.

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Speaker 3: So Lane committed full time to the band Diamond Lie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had entertained the name Mathra and the F

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word as we had discussed. Then they became Diamond Lie,

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which was Jerry's old band's name. But ultimately they all

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decided they liked Alice in Change better. But they changed

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the end to I D because they liked the idea

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of female bondage. They would click the link. Okay, so

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there're at the Music Bank and they just I mean

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they're living in a rehearsal space. As a musician, I

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can not imagine how awesome it would be to have

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a place where you live with your bandmates and all

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you do all day long is play music and try

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to come up with new stuff together, you know, when

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you're not watching Purple Ring exactly, or the Terminator. They

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had this guy who was a local promoter named Randy Hauser,

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and he was like, you guys are great. I will

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fund a demo tape for you. Do the demo recording.

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We're going to do it at the Music Bank. Problem

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is is that the day before they were supposed to record,

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Washington does its biggest marijuana bust in state history, and

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of course there's some drugs over at the music Bank

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shocker what yep? And they close it down.

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Speaker 2: Evidently whoever had least the building somebody else at least

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a different part of it. It built up a wall,

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partitioned it off, and had quite the weed operation.

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Speaker 3: Go okay, wait, let's back up, because there's a story,

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a big story right before that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Yeah, Randy Hauser was in jail for dealing

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cocaine as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, this is not the first time we're

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going to talk about drugs in this episode, trust me.

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Speaker 1: So he was. He was in jail for dealing cocaine.

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Speaker 3: He gets out, gets his life back together, he goes

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to beauty school.

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Speaker 1: Beauty school drip.

469
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: So, So he went to beauty school, and there he

470
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:25,000
met Melinda Starr. She knew that he was this sort

471
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
of local promoter and he was looking to kind of

472
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,960
do this. She gave him a cassette and asked him

473
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,160
to listen to it. Keep in mind, her boyfriend at

474
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,640
the time was Sean Kenney. Okay, he takes that cassette home,

475
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,720
tosses it in a box full of other demos from

476
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,400
a million different groups that he never listens to.

477
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:41,759
Speaker 2: Okay.

478
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:46,039
Speaker 3: Now, then flash forward about a month from then. Nick Loft,

479
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,920
who is an A and R guy from Atlantic, was

480
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,559
staying at Randy Hauser's house. Okay, don't know the story there,

481
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,000
don't really care, but he's going through this box of tapes,

482
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,519
just kind of looking for something. And when he pops

483
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,319
in that tape that Melinda Starr had given him, yeah,

484
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,319
he's like, who are these guys? And these guys got

485
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,839
something and the tape was not labeled, and so Randy's

486
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:12,440
looking at the tape like, Okay, I have no freaking

487
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,319
idea where I got this tape, but he knows he's

488
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,640
got something, right, right, He's got something here, uh huh,

489
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,480
And so he can't.

490
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:23,519
Speaker 1: For the life of him, remember where he got this tape, okay.

491
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: And so he's at the beauty school racking his brain,

492
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,799
racking his brain, his brain, and Melinda goes.

493
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,599
Speaker 1: Did you listen to that tape I gave you? And

494
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,720
it all clicks nice. Just when he finds the band

495
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,799
that is going to he's going to be able to

496
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:40,960
break the music bank, gets busted for drugs. Well, and

497
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,480
that's when Susan Silver steps in. Kelly Curtis was managing

498
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:48,759
Mother Love Bone and Susan Silver was managing soundguard. Soundguard

499
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,920
married Chris Cornell. That's right. Yeah. They ultimately got a

500
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,839
copy of the demo that they ended up doing, called

501
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,640
The Treehouse Tapes. So Randy Houser misses out, so Susan.

502
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,759
Speaker 3: Silver steps in and says, this guy's a drug dealer.

503
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,480
He's going to get you guys in trouble. I think

504
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,599
I should do this. Yeah, And so they're like, we

505
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,559
agree with you. He's out right, and so she passes

506
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,680
us on to Colombia. Colombia signed them after some negotiations,

507
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,359
signed them on September eleventh, nineteen eighty nine, exactly two

508
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:29,680
years to the day later, their debut album, Facelift, goes gold.

509
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,920
So before they're signed, Alis in Chains plays their first

510
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,400
show July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight. The same summer,

511
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,599
Lane meets a woman named Demri Perot.

512
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, she's working on Saturdays. She is cute

513
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:46,720
as a button.

514
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: She looks like she just came right out of the

515
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,400
sitcom Friends, very very pretty girl. Got it all together.

516
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,200
She's going to play a part in this story.

517
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: Yes she is.

518
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: Okay, Now listen to this. June one, nineteen eighty eight,

519
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:04,319
Jerry Cantrell attends a Guns N' Roses and Iron Maiden

520
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,640
concert in Seattle.

521
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: Yep.

522
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,559
Speaker 3: He manages to get backstage. He hands a demo tape

523
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:14,079
to Axel Rose. He then watches Axl Rose walk about

524
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,240
ten feet away.

525
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: And throw that demo tape directly in the trash can.

526
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,200
So I called you the other night. We're going to

527
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,000
I'm in a total sidebar here, total sidebar, yep. So

528
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,559
I called you the other night because I had come

529
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:28,640
across this thing and I really have no idea where

530
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,480
to put this, so I'm just gonna put it now. Right. So,

531
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:36,440
when they were supposed to record Facelift, Sean Kenny had

532
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,359
broken his hand. Yes, and he's the drummer, so his

533
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,839
hand's kind of important. He's broken his hand, and so

534
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,880
they get a guy named Greg Gilmour to come in

535
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
to replace him for the recording of the drums for

536
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,200
this album. Sean Kenny's going to miss out on recording

537
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,839
drums on their very first album, right, So this guy

538
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,359
named Greg Gilmore. He was the drummer for Mother Lovebam,

539
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,240
the bands that we're talking about today. Have Lot both

540
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,559
have lost their singers to heroin. Scott Wiland, Lane Stay

541
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,119
both gone because of heroin. Heroin was involved in Kurt

542
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,559
Cobain's death, and Jason pointed out, He's like, wow, Pearl

543
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,359
Jam has made it through all of this and didn't

544
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,279
have a heroin death. And I'm like, nope, because Pearl

545
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,599
Jam started off as Mother love Bone and Andy Wood

546
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,559
died of a heroin overdose. Heroin has taken almost every

547
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,519
lead singer of these major bands that we have of

548
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,279
the day of that time, we threw in Sublime and

549
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,599
Blind Mellon a ton of them. But anyway, back up,

550
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,279
Greg Gilmour also was the drummer for a punk band,

551
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,839
punk band out of Seattle, and the punk band out

552
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,400
of Seattle had a bass player who went down to

553
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,400
LA after that band broke up and joined a band

554
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:46,920
called Guns n' Roses and Duff McKagan. We talked about

555
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,240
this in our Appetite for Destruction Guns and Roses, we

556
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:55,440
probably did. He went down there joined this band and

557
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,799
they were just starting out, but he had a band

558
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:00,680
that had broken up and said, hey, hey, we've got

559
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480
some dates that we have set with my old band.

560
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,680
We can go up to Seattle and play those shows

561
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200
as Guns and Roses, and they all talk about how

562
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,119
this bus ride up there where like the van breaks

563
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,839
down and everybody gets angry at each other, and nobody

564
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,880
shows up to the shows because they haven't done any

565
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,279
self promoting. That made them jell as a band. It

566
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,599
was that thing that caused them to jell as a band.

567
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,240
Greg Gilmour was the drummer for the band whose sets

568
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,720
Guns n' Roses took over Wow. But when he came

569
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,200
in to play for Alison Chains, Sean Kenny is trying

570
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,119
to show him how to do the drums with one hand,

571
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,119
and eventually they just said, uh, never mind, we'll just

572
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,279
come back in a month or two when Sean hand

573
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,960
works again. That's great.

574
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: I remember an interview with Sean. He said he kept

575
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,880
out when he finally started playing, he kept the ice

576
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,480
bucket right beside the drum set so between the song

577
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:51,359
or said he had to shove that hand in, and

578
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,400
evidently the problem was I don't know if y'all ever

579
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,119
seen Sean. Kenny's a real tall, kind of big guy.

580
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,720
He's a hard hitter, and evidently Gilmour just could not

581
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:02,039
reach his levels myself to subscribe to the Sean Kinney

582
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:03,720
school of playing. But that's another story.

583
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: He said.

584
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: He kept standing there off stage going hit it harder, No, no,

585
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,680
no harder. So you mentioned that they signed in September

586
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,279
of eighty nine. Yes, that summer of nineteen eighty nine

587
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:19,480
they opened for Get This Bullet Boys, Tesla, Great.

588
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,039
Speaker 1: White Wow, cutting their teeth with the eighties hairbands a

589
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:24,400
little bit. Well, I don't know. I call it Tesla hairband,

590
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,799
but yes, that's right. Sorry, don't hit me for saying that.

591
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,359
Speaker 2: This is evidently a time where Jerry Cantrell has approached

592
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,160
from writing music began to change. They'd all come up

593
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,880
in the glam heavy metal scene, but Jerry was evidently

594
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,079
very inquisitive. He would talk to other musicians like punk bands,

595
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,000
try to find out about their influences. He allegedly talked

596
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,920
to Kim Thale, the guitar player for Soundgarden, about some

597
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,359
of the songs he played off their Louder Than Love album,

598
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,519
and Kim says that he showed Jerry the drop D tuning.

599
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,319
Jerry disputes. Jerry later said he earned it from Van

600
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,599
Halen's unchained, but Kim was doing some really creative riffs

601
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,920
at the time. So I can see Jerry being intrigued

602
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,920
by that. The guys who were with him in Diamond

603
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,480
Law said that after his mom and his aunt died

604
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,799
that his songwriting also changed. It was less about girls

605
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,000
and partying and more about personal issues.

606
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to just keep the digression going because

607
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:16,319
you mentioned Van Halen, okay, And so I saw an

608
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,799
interview just a couple of days ago with Sammy Hagar

609
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,039
and he was talking about Alison Chains and he was

610
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,039
talking about how it was obvious to him that they

611
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:27,200
were a part of the hair band glam metal scene

612
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,319
that everybody was turning off. And then Alison Chains was

613
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,559
the new up and coming band and so as opposed

614
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,680
to fighting them, he decided to join them. And he

615
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,039
called them up and said, why don't you guys open

616
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,079
up for our show? And so Alison Chains opened up

617
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:46,200
for Van Halen and they were fantastic friends. And I've

618
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,240
also seen a picture where Van Halen is doing their

619
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,839
typical you know, where they marched behind each other doing

620
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,960
the little shuffle back and forth. Well, Alison Chain snuck

621
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,960
up behind them, dressed in nothing but g strings to

622
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:02,359
do the Little Dance with Them's hilarious. Yeah. Jerry Cantrell

623
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:05,680
said that during that time he became very good friends

624
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,720
with Eddie van Halen, all very down to earth guys,

625
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,799
and he said, hey, you know it was when they

626
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,200
had that music Man guitar. It was that time period

627
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,519
for Eddie. He says, I really love that guitar. Would

628
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,359
you ever let me buy one from you? And Eddie's like,

629
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,359
buy one? Are you kidding me? He goes, this is

630
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,039
the problem with the world. He goes, when you really

631
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:22,640
need a guitar and nobody will give you one, and

632
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,039
when you don't need it, everybody gives you all of them.

633
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,160
And he says, I'll send one to you. And so

634
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,680
Jerry had been staying. I believe it was at Chris

635
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,240
Cornell's house. No, it was his manager, his manager at

636
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:35,119
the time. When he gets home, the manager's like, hey,

637
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,759
welcome back. Can you get all your crap out of

638
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,640
my garage? And he goes down and his garage is

639
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,240
full of guitars and amps, including a gold top music

640
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,839
Man guitar, which I mean it's beautiful and amazing in

641
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,359
all sorts of ways. Sad part is just a couple

642
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:54,440
of years later, somehow it got stolen on one of

643
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,359
their tours and he did not have it until the

644
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Internet and people being able to search things, and so

645
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,440
twenty eighteen, somebody figured out what guitar had been sent

646
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,039
to him by Eddie van Haalen, tracked it down in Florida,

647
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,960
got it back and got it to him. He's now

648
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,799
got it back again. Wow, that's cool.

649
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,799
Speaker 3: Okay, So after they've signed, it's now time to make

650
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,079
a record. Dave Jorden was one of the many producers

651
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,279
who is possible for this Allison Chains record. Nobody wanted

652
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:24,039
to do Alison Chains because Guns and Roses was super

653
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:26,759
hot at the moment, and the high vocals of Axel

654
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,240
is what everybody kind of gravitated towards. Well, Dave was

655
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,240
attracted to the low vocals of Lane. He thought, man,

656
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,359
this is really cool. This sounds like Black Sabbath. This

657
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,119
is what I grew up on, and so he wanted

658
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,880
to do their record. So they were playing in La

659
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,559
and he goes to check him out. Okay, so I

660
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:45,799
thought this was really funny. When he goes to check

661
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,400
them out, there were four people in the audience. Four Dave,

662
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,720
Dave's manager, a guy on acid, dancing on the floor

663
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,359
like going crazy and.

664
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Rick Rubin what.

665
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,079
Speaker 3: R DJ double r our man deaf Dave just had

666
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:08,559
a baby right there when I said that. But yeah,

667
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:12,159
the guy who produced Run DMC and Slayer. He was

668
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,800
there as a possible producer as well. After a few songs,

669
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,320
He's like, Nope, these guys aren't for me.

670
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:18,639
Speaker 1: I'm out. Down to three people in the room. Rick

671
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,079
Rubin passed on Alison Chane. Yes he did, Yes, he did.

672
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,800
That is tragic, And at that time he decided instead

673
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,599
to go to Wolf the Wolf Spain. Yeah Spain, you know,

674
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,840
world famous, Yeah, Wolf Spain, all right.

675
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, famous for their singer filling in for Bruce Dickinson

676
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,559
for a while, an iron mate. That's so.

677
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: Jordan ended up as the producer and their first album

678
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,119
is Facelift. It comes out with a smashing single Man

679
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,800
in the Box, and all of a sudden, everyone in

680
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,519
the country knows who Alison chains is.

681
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,639
Speaker 2: They I think with We Die Young as a single

682
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:04,559
and it didn't quite catch on. I think in the

683
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,360
first few months they sold maybe forty thousand copies, but

684
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,960
when they released Man in the Box, within six weeks

685
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,599
I think they'd sold four hundred thousand copies.

686
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: So I've got a couple of things I want to

687
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,119
talk about Man in Box real quick. Dave Jorden was

688
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,639
driving to the studio one day thinking about the recording

689
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:20,280
that day.

690
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: For Austin Chance.

691
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: What comes on the radio Living on a Prayer by

692
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,760
bon Jovi. As he's listening, he's like, you know what,

693
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,920
Man in the Box needs a voicebox.

694
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: You're telling me that the voice box in Man in

695
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,400
a Box came from Living in a Prayer by by Joby. Yes,

696
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,320
Oh my god.

697
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: It's one of the two pieces of equipment they bought

698
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,719
for this album. They bought like a five hundred dollars

699
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,719
based guitar and a one hundred dollars voice box.

700
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why. Wow wow wow wow wow

701
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,119
wow wow wow wow. That's it.

702
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,519
Speaker 2: Dave Jorden's had he had some credibility coming into this.

703
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:58,760
He had already done James Addictions Nothing shocking back in

704
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,639
nineteen eighty eight. Yep. But he was one of my

705
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,719
favorite albums. He did the first Social Distortion album. He

706
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,239
done some stuff for Anthrax, so they got he clearly

707
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,199
knew his way around the guitar based band.

708
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: The other Man in the Box story. I want to

709
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,119
tell real quick. The CEO of MTV, they brought in

710
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,320
a new guy and he wanted to change what they

711
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,480
were doing at the time. So there was a conscious

712
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,920
shift to move away from hair metal and move to

713
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,159
something different. So one day they had two videos that

714
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:26,920
they were deciding whether or not to get into heavy rotation.

715
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,119
Speaker 1: One of them was by Blue Murder. Remember them, Yeah,

716
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,800
Blue Murder is Sykes, John Sykes, John Sykes who is

717
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,400
responsible for the White Snake album. Yes, it's his band,

718
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,920
Blue Murder.

719
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: Yes.

720
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:40,599
Speaker 3: So they had a Blue Murder video that they wanted

721
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:44,679
to play or Allison Chain's Man in the Box, and

722
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,320
they chose to move away from hair metal with that selection.

723
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,280
Moved that Allison Chains Man in the Box song to

724
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,559
their what they called the buzz clip of the Week

725
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,039
or buzzband or whatever, and that contributed to their massive

726
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:18,599
rising popularity.

727
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: How about that John Sykes Cannot Catch a Break? John

728
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:28,199
Sykes Cannot Catch a breakd go fired from White Snake

729
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,800
and shunned by MTV.

730
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: I did read an in a cool interview with Jordan

731
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,800
talking about it later. So one of the reasons he

732
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,400
thinks he got the jobs he's talking to Jerry Cantrail

733
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,719
and said he probably I'll at your approach. He said,

734
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,960
what Metallica did by speeding up Tony almeis riffs you're

735
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,400
doing by slowing him down, said Jerry Candrel, say you

736
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,239
got it, man, that's it, And Jordan said, that's how

737
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:47,920
we got the job.

738
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:50,599
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

739
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I got a couple of things for you. On

740
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,519
Facebook's Really Quick. There's a song on there called real.

741
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,599
Speaker 2: Thing that is a very prophetic song.

742
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Okay, well tell me about it.

743
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's most of the songs on that album don't

744
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,400
really seem to be more observational talking about bad things

745
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,480
in life. But I mean that song has lines like

746
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,880
played around as a boy, grew up and made the

747
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,159
blade Manu toy and later early talks, I went to

748
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,360
rehab and the doctors didn't do me no good and

749
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,760
wow yeah, and so even then there was some suggestion,

750
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,039
even though Lane's all his friends say that Lane's drug

751
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,199
use wasn't that bad at this point you really hadn't

752
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:30,760
touched heroin, there were some hints.

753
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:32,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

754
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: Well, I want to talk about the lyric at the

755
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:40,679
very end when Lane Gille's sexual Chocolate Baby that is

756
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,840
a clear reference to Coming to America.

757
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: Have we done it? Coming to America? That was one

758
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,039
of our first episodes. I gotta check that one out.

759
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:49,599
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a fantastic one.

760
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I got one more facelift story for you. The

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,920
guys were recording in La and at night when they

762
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,360
got done recording, you know, hard day at the office,

763
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,840
they would go to Motley Cruz's favorite joint, the Tropicana.

764
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: Right discussed in the travel All Girls, Girls Girls.

765
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:06,159
Speaker 1: That's right.

766
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,079
Speaker 3: They apparently that Trapicana is where they lost their heart

767
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,760
as well. But they got a calendar that had pictures

768
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,119
of all the Tropicana girls and they would put big

769
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,000
red x'es over each girl that they slept with from

770
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,519
the Trappicana's.

771
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: Kind of like an advent calendar.

772
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,079
Speaker 2: What are we opening today?

773
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:25,679
Speaker 1: Okay?

774
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: One date I've got to bring up is March fifteenth,

775
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:33,079
nineteen ninety. That is the day that Andrew Wood of

776
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,639
Mother love Bone died of a heroin overdose. Mother Lovebone

777
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:39,159
was on the cusp of maybe breaking big and all

778
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,440
these guys went through the funeral. Yeah, and they knew

779
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,199
what he died of.

780
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: Yep. I mean the sign says warning ahead. Well, there's

781
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,760
a reason they call it a monkey on your back,

782
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:51,000
some living thing that you can't control and can't get

783
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:51,280
to you.

784
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:51,599
Speaker 2: Yep.

785
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,199
Speaker 1: In August of ninety is when Facelift was released and

786
00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:01,840
it was dedicated to Andy Would. It was also dedicated

787
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,280
to Jerry Cantrell's mother, Gloria, whose name comes up in

788
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,239
one of their songs on the album We're going to

789
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,559
cover here in just a little bit yep. But before

790
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:11,400
we get there, we had a little bit of stuff

791
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,320
that happened in between Facelift and Dirt. And one of

792
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,000
those things is that these guys were in a real movie.

793
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:20,840
They were in a movie called Singles, and while they

794
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,039
were in there making that movie, Cameron Crow said, Hey,

795
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:25,800
I need you guys to get a song together for

796
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,519
this soundtrack, and I will of course pay the fee

797
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:30,960
for you to record it. And so, just like Huey

798
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:36,119
Lewis had done years before, they came in and they

799
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,599
used their studio time to record that song, along with

800
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:45,360
about ten other songs, mostly acoustic stuff, did some demos

801
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,800
for Rooster and another couple of songs. But during that

802
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,400
recording process, Sean Kenney comes in and he says, I

803
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,320
had a dream last night that we released an EP

804
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,280
and it was called SAP, and all the guys said, well,

805
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,400
we can't mess with fate. Let's do it. And they

806
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,119
took all of those songs that they had recorded on

807
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,719
the sly while they were just supposed to be recording

808
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,159
Wood for the single soundtrack, and they turned that into

809
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:14,159
an EP called SAP. And that album is awesome, one

810
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:14,760
of my favorites.

811
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,599
Speaker 2: Well, oh, it's amazing. It was released on my birthday

812
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,000
in nineteen ninety two. I remember that well for some reason, huh,

813
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:25,639
and it's can we make a brief digression back towards singles? Sure?

814
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,400
That movie, I mean, it was a typical nineties rom

815
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,480
com but with worst wardrobe, even worse hair, but just

816
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:35,880
an amazing soundtrack. When that was released in that summer

817
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,559
prior to release of Dirt, I picked it up and

818
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,639
hearing Wood and seeing the direction Alison James are taking

819
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:43,679
their new music, I was so excited. Now I could

820
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,519
not wait for Dirt to come out a few months later.

821
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:46,880
But anyway, I'm sorry.

822
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: No, I think it's important. I mean because the reason

823
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:54,800
that Allison Chain's is predominant in that movie is because

824
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,119
they were an established band at that time, Soundgarden was

825
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:02,199
also an established band, so much so that the Matt

826
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,559
Dylan part was supposed to be played by Chris Cornell,

827
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,079
but then they realized Chris Cornell can't act, and so

828
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,760
they gave the part to an actor, and they gave

829
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,320
Chris Cornell this small part where he's watching the car

830
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,480
explode from the speakers, which is a great part. I

831
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,760
love that part. You've got the guys from Pearl Jam

832
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,800
in it before their Pearl Jam, I mean, before they

833
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,679
have done anything. They're in the band as Matt Dylon's band.

834
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 6: And you'll remember, Yes, that's it, Citizen Dick. Yes, and

835
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,920
you'll remember that when we talked about Pearl Jam and

836
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,800
Nirvana at that time, those guys in Seattle, they were

837
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,679
so secluded and it was just that kind of weird

838
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,679
subpop managed to get somebody from a major magazine to

839
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,920
do a story on the Seattle Sound and that's really

840
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,960
what caused that whole group of bands to explode. But

841
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,400
before that they had worked together like they weren't in competition.

842
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,360
They were deepest friends, right. That's why they all went

843
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,280
to Andy Wood's funeral.

844
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: That's why they would all ultimately go together to Lane

845
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,119
Staley's Funeral. But all of those guys were involved together,

846
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,599
and because Alison Chains was the band that was most

847
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:13,039
established at that time, that's the one that's why they

848
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:14,599
were so predominant in that movie.

849
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 2: That soundtrack was amazing, but we even had early Pearl

850
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,000
Jam material on there that was really fun. But going

851
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:22,719
back to SAP, I remember listening to that the first time,

852
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,880
and I was so used to all the doomy riffs

853
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,440
off Facewift that it took me out one listen to

854
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,960
it just what they're doing. But then you realized, Wow,

855
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,679
these guys are really talented musicians and they've written some

856
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,199
beautiful songs on this album.

857
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: I can remember when I started listening to these guys,

858
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,559
I thought to myself, this guy is a genius. He

859
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:40,960
is a genius guitar player.

860
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: He makes this weird combination of blues, metal and some

861
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,719
kind of psychedelic texture. It just has a sound all

862
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,599
his own. SAP for an EP had pretty good. You

863
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,039
had Ann Wilson from Heart singing back up.

864
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: On one so it Blows Me Away Man.

865
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: On Brother and Inside, you had Jerry Cantrell making his

866
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:00,119
first lead vocal appearance on the song I think as

867
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:00,599
a brother.

868
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: Hey, they knew that Alice mud School choir.

869
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:09,199
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, YEA had Alice Muddgarden, which was Alison Chains

870
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,840
Mark arm from the band mud Honey. So if you

871
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,239
ever looked at him, he looks kind of like a

872
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,199
Borgain basement Tom Cruise and then you've got Chris Cornell

873
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,320
wailing away in the background. Is all he could. It

874
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,159
was just such a fun album and such a surprising album.

875
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,519
And I think it actually sold within two weeks that

876
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,119
had gone gold, sold over five hundred thousand copies, So

877
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:28,719
that's not a bad fell in.

878
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: So fall of ninety one, they're touring with Van Hill.

879
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,760
This is when the big h comes in. Heroin shows

880
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,159
up right here. According to Mike Star's dad, Demery Perrot

881
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,079
introduced it to Lane, and Lane introduced it to Mike Starr,

882
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,440
the manager of Alison Chains got a phone call one

883
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:47,880
night and it was Lane and he was telling him

884
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,159
how much he loved Heroin. He and Demery could not

885
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,480
talk enough about it. They were just going on and

886
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:55,639
on about how great it was. He's like, as soon

887
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:57,639
as I heard that they were fighting a losing battle.

888
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,000
According to one friend, Lane got down on his knee

889
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,239
and thanks God for feeling so good.

890
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: And from there it just never stopped.

891
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: At this time, Mike Starr started like scalping Van Halen

892
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:13,079
tickets in front of his own concert to raise drug money.

893
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,039
Speaker 2: It said. His guest list started growing longer and longer

894
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,320
for each show because he was adding people who I

895
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,239
guess bought tickets off of him.

896
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

897
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,519
Speaker 3: Right when the money started coming in from their first

898
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:26,960
album and from these EPs, I thought this was interesting.

899
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,599
They were pretty conservative with their money. Jerry Cantrell, going

900
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:34,599
with his Oklahoma roots, bought a Dodge pickup limited.

901
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not sure.

902
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: So right before Dirt comes out, there is an intervention

903
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,639
conducted on behalf of Lank. His family meets with him,

904
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,239
his band meets with him, even though his band is

905
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,880
doing drugs as well, right and they say, look, dude,

906
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,880
you got to get this problem taken care of. And

907
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,679
so Lane says, okay, I will get this problem taken

908
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:52,960
care of.

909
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,079
Speaker 1: And that's when he went to rehab the first time,

910
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:58,079
the first time, and then he didn't never have to

911
00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:59,239
go again, and everything's okay.

912
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,159
Speaker 3: Lane went or thirteen times in his life and it

913
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:10,000
never ever tuck well apparently was the greatest thing in

914
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:10,679
his life.

915
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: It really was. As a matter of fact, it was

916
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,000
so good it was worth dying for. Yep, all right,

917
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:19,519
we are ready to jump into dirt track by track

918
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,280
next week.

919
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: James, thanks for being everybody always have last to hang

920
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,239
out with my Oklah homies.

921
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: You're coming back so we can do track by track together.

922
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: This is an album. Sometimes it's a tough listen, but

923
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,480
it's one I listened to over and over a year

924
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,719
after year, so I can't wait.

925
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: Awesome guys, We will see you next week. Be sure

926
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,559
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how much we appreciate you listening all the way through.

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We will see you next week for Dirt track by

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track or.

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Speaker 2: Bum bum Up