Speaker 1: You're putting we got some want or nothing out here.
Speaker 2: I can't go, but I know I did my better.
Speaker 2: Light came on and I did that.
Speaker 1: But they left and they did thing running across the
Speaker 1: yard A good sight, mayhap or.
Speaker 2: Nothing I look like to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was across the yard.
Speaker 2: It seems to be a big foot leaning against a
Speaker 2: tree in a wood an area.
Speaker 1: I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but
Speaker 1: not big.
Speaker 2: Foot tree lines and rush.
Speaker 1: He sees about seven and seven and a half foot
Speaker 1: tall sasquatch looking back at him.
Speaker 2: And that kind of looks like a wolf, but not
Speaker 2: like a neighborhood dog. Pick these stories for what they
Speaker 2: are and hopes that maybe if it's out there, then
Speaker 2: show me yeah, and says he might have caught the
Speaker 2: mythical Cuba cabra creature terrorizing his chickens like a grunt
Speaker 2: and a knock.
Speaker 1: It's like a oh.
Speaker 2: I think there's kind of a cultural tendency for people
Speaker 2: to want to make big Foot a quote unquote monster.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you see Bigfoot Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
Speaker 2: back to another episode of ECBR Bigfoot Radio. I'm your
Speaker 2: host Ganga binoa and I'm gonna tell you these shows
Speaker 2: keep getting better and better. Tonight, we have a very
Speaker 2: special guest with us, a very long time seasoned bigfoot
Speaker 2: researcher and a Bigfoot experience there as well. Uh. This individual,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get into talking a lot. Well for those
Speaker 2: who don't know him, we'll learn a lot about him.
Speaker 2: I will tell you he's an offer. Uh.
Speaker 3: He has witnessed Bigfoot himself.
Speaker 2: We're gonna learn a little bit about that as well.
Speaker 2: And ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Tom Kittroll And it's
Speaker 2: awesome to have him here. Tom, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for being here. This is
Speaker 2: a blessing to have you here.
Speaker 1: It'swer my honor and my pleasure to be here. I
Speaker 1: look forward to this since you asked me. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, We've got a lot to talk about tonight.
Speaker 1: I've been absolute years doing this, so I do have
Speaker 1: some experience with it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know. You know, for people that hear the
Speaker 2: number sixty five years, you know, for some people that
Speaker 2: may not be long, but to me, considered my age,
Speaker 2: I'm only forty four. I'll be forty five this year,
Speaker 2: so sixty five. There is a big number for me,
Speaker 2: you know. So, uh this is awesome, you know because
Speaker 2: people like you that have been involved with the research
Speaker 2: and you know that's whatever that has dived into this
Speaker 2: for as long as you have. I think it's very
Speaker 2: important that the listeners should really pay attention to what's
Speaker 2: going to be said. You know. So I want to
Speaker 2: start off with kind of a background, kind of fill
Speaker 2: everybody in on what you got involved with.
Speaker 3: You know, well, what got you involved in this? I
Speaker 3: know it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't till the h from what I re call
Speaker 2: from what you shared with me. Uh so what I
Speaker 2: read on your website nineteen fifty eight was kind of
Speaker 2: a starting point for you. But yeah, if you want
Speaker 2: to kind of fill us in and kind to give
Speaker 2: us a background on that, I'd like to hear that.
Speaker 1: In August of nineteen fifty eight, there was a road
Speaker 1: crew of roads building crew in northern California at in
Speaker 1: the Sixth River National Forest, and they came to work.
Speaker 1: They were working with called out of camp where they
Speaker 1: would stay in camp all week and then go home
Speaker 1: on the weekends. And they returned to work on Monday morning,
Speaker 1: and one fellow got to his cat that was warmed
Speaker 1: up and looked there were a set of fifteen minutes tracks.
Speaker 1: It came down off the very steep hill like seventy
Speaker 1: grade and down up the road around his cat, and
Speaker 1: then on up around another one, and then went up
Speaker 1: and then disappeared into the canyon. The fellow's name was
Speaker 1: Jerry Crew. In October of that year his story hit
Speaker 1: the newspaper. He happened to go to towny Eureka to
Speaker 1: show a friend he had cast of the footprints. Because
Speaker 1: of the being kept coming back. It wasn't a one
Speaker 1: time thing. Every two to three days there'd be there'd
Speaker 1: be more more tracks there. Then it picked up a
Speaker 1: fuel barrel, slung it down into the canyon, did the
Speaker 1: same thing with a twenty foot section of two feet
Speaker 1: the culbert and you know that's almost three hundred pounds
Speaker 1: of culbert. Threw it down in the canyon like it
Speaker 1: was a tinker toy. And he went to Eureka he
Speaker 1: was going to show a friend of his foot print cast,
Speaker 1: and the newspaper editor there Androgen's only heard he was
Speaker 1: in town, did an interview with him for the for
Speaker 1: the Humboldt Times newspaper in Eureka, and that was picked
Speaker 1: up by the wire services and I lived about three
Speaker 1: hundred miles south of there, and my father showed it
Speaker 1: to me. What do you think about this? He said,
Speaker 1: he was My dad was an interesting person. He had
Speaker 1: a way of instilling curiosity in me. And he saw
Speaker 1: that article. He came to me and I was fifteen
Speaker 1: years old at the time, and he said, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this? And I read the article. You know,
Speaker 1: it's nothing I've ever heard of, But we knew that area.
Speaker 1: We had friends who lived in Humboldt County, and so
Speaker 1: we knew that area pretty well, and it kind of
Speaker 1: hit home with us. So then I started studying more
Speaker 1: and more about it. And a paleontologist, actually the premiere
Speaker 1: most noted paleontologists in the world at that time, doctor
Speaker 1: Ivan Sanderson, Oh yeah, came to investigate it. And Ivan
Speaker 1: Sanderson wrote, has written, had written at that time like
Speaker 1: thirteen books on mammals of the world that were the
Speaker 1: standard for teaching around the world. So when he wrote,
Speaker 1: I listened, and his articles appeared in True magazine and
Speaker 1: in an argacy magazine. Now you have to remember nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty eight, we didn't have internet. Telephone was a party
Speaker 1: line system, so he didn't spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: even on the phone, and long distance calls were very,
Speaker 1: very expensive. So magazines were our internet at the time.
Speaker 1: That's where stories were disseminated and told and retold. And
Speaker 1: those two were Men's magazines, True Men Magazine and Argacy Magazine,
Speaker 1: and they ran stories for his report on it, and
Speaker 1: he was quite clear that this was a new species. Okay,
Speaker 1: of course. Then shortly after that uh Tom Slick expeditions
Speaker 1: in the same area went on until uh Tom was
Speaker 1: killed in the plane wreck, unfortunately, and funding dried up
Speaker 1: for for the for them. But that's brought forth people
Speaker 1: like Bob Titmas and uh he uh he'd spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time investigating. They also brought forth John Green
Speaker 1: out of Canada, uh Renade de Hinden out of Canada,
Speaker 1: And unfortunately it also brought Peter Burn But as soon
Speaker 1: as Peter Byrn showed up on the Canadians lap. But
Speaker 1: then in nineteen sixty seven, of course we all know
Speaker 1: Roger and Bob's story. And there again irrefutable proof if
Speaker 1: you look with logic at what's going on there. I
Speaker 1: was with doctor melderm just last November in Ocean George
Speaker 1: Washington at the Sasquat's Summit, and he did a magnificent
Speaker 1: presentation on the Patterson Gimlin film, speaking as a palaeontologist,
Speaker 1: as an anatomist, and how that could not possibly be faked.
Speaker 1: The ratios, and there's something called intermemberyle in dates. It's
Speaker 1: present in all primates, and basically it's a ratio of
Speaker 1: your arm link to your leg. Late in humans, that's
Speaker 1: seventy two. Now, I'm not saying everybody in the world
Speaker 1: will have a seventy two I am I, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying that's the center point on the bell curve, and
Speaker 1: of course there will be those variations. Ninety eight percent
Speaker 1: will be within two standard deviations of the of the
Speaker 1: center line. Okay, he used that. And if you look
Speaker 1: at Patty in that film, measure the length of her
Speaker 1: arm and the length of her leg. Her intermemberle index
Speaker 1: is eighty four. Measure the intermemberle index on any good
Speaker 1: photograph of sasquatch and you can tell right away whether
Speaker 1: it's real or it's not. Okay. Memorial Day footage eighty
Speaker 1: four fourth of July Independence Day footage eighty four, the
Speaker 1: Marble Mountain footage eighty four, Paul Freeman's video eighty four
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Okay, that's the I am I of Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: That alone is scientific, measurable, reproducible proof of the existence
Speaker 1: of sasquatch number one and the veracity of that film
Speaker 1: number two. Okay, you you don't have to go a
Speaker 1: bit further. You've got total proof now.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not to cut you off, but I do want
Speaker 2: to add that. Back in twenty twenty two, for the
Speaker 2: first time ever, I've actually had the privilege of sitting
Speaker 2: in on doctor Jeffy Meldrum's presentation that occurred over in
Speaker 2: West Virginia at the West Virginia big Foot Festival.
Speaker 3: And it was the day before the festival.
Speaker 2: We had a banquet where he actually did a presentation
Speaker 2: after everyone sat in eate and and he did a
Speaker 2: very interesting illustration that point you know, that was basically
Speaker 2: the whole presentation, a majority of it. Anyway. It was
Speaker 2: surrounded or pointing towards the Patterson footage and the image
Speaker 2: that was captured and recorded from the nineteen sixty seventh film.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he added some humor in there, but the
Speaker 2: illustrations he used were like, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: how how it's the best way to put it, but
Speaker 2: it was like right on point. Basically, he had an
Speaker 2: illustration of a human being all that had some weight
Speaker 2: the individual in his presentation on the illustration to use
Speaker 2: with somebody that had some you know, I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: not just muscular, but they have some you know, they
Speaker 2: had a little bit of extra weight to them. But
Speaker 2: he put a comparison beside the paddy image and was showing, like,
Speaker 2: you know, in the Pattiston footage people some some rare people.
Speaker 2: Some people have stated to oh, look down the back,
Speaker 2: that's like that's the zipper line to the costume. No,
Speaker 2: look at the comparison to the illustration of the person that's,
Speaker 2: you know, wearing his shorts pushing pushing the lawnmower. That's
Speaker 2: kind of got a little extra weight and muscle attitude.
Speaker 2: There was such an identical illustration. I mean, the illustration
Speaker 2: was like spoke for herself. It was like, but ever
Speaker 2: since I've learned of the patis of footage, and then
Speaker 2: later on seeing the what scientists put into it, they
Speaker 2: can they cannot debunk it as being something fake.
Speaker 3: Because there's so much evidence that what's at you know.
Speaker 1: Every time they every time they try, they just.
Speaker 2: Prove it more exactly exactly. And Jeff Meldrum, he did
Speaker 2: an excellent job on that because you know, I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I've spoke to him. I met him
Speaker 2: back in twenty seventeen briefently at the Ohio Big for Commerce,
Speaker 2: but again just a few years ago in West Virginia,
Speaker 2: which is only about three and a half hours for me,
Speaker 2: where he does his presentation. I had the privilege of
Speaker 2: sitting in on two different presentations at the banquet and
Speaker 2: then the next day actually during the festival sub where
Speaker 2: he presented it again. And you know, for anyone who
Speaker 2: understands and knows Jeff Meldrum and his expertise in his field.
Speaker 3: Should have a lot of great respect.
Speaker 2: For what he does and how he examined the studies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that there, to me, with what I've seen from
Speaker 2: him and what he presented, just adds more and more
Speaker 2: credibility to that footage. You know, I'm very impressive with
Speaker 2: what he does. But he's good at what he does.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean he's been doing that for many years.
Speaker 2: The man is sixty five sixty six years old, and
Speaker 2: that's his expertise in that field is examining. You know,
Speaker 2: he's an anthropologist, so we understand what that stands for.
Speaker 2: You know, he studied the mot motive, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: the the gateways of humans and primates. Right, so, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he is on point with his presentation. If no one's
Speaker 2: ever if and from the listener, I got to throw
Speaker 2: this out there. If anyone's never understood what anthropology is,
Speaker 2: or who's never actually even set in on a presentation
Speaker 2: on how doctor Jeff Belgium presents what he does present
Speaker 2: you need to take the time to really sit in
Speaker 2: and watch and pay attention to listen to details. You know,
Speaker 2: the one thing I've respect about him, I don't care
Speaker 2: if you're a scientist or you're just your average joe
Speaker 2: out in this world. He will present to you the
Speaker 2: way everybody should be able to understand what he's presenting.
Speaker 2: You know, he won't talk down on you, but he
Speaker 2: will present things in a way that will make you wow.
Speaker 2: It'll blow your mind, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: don't see how anyone can misunderstood what he's presenting.
Speaker 1: And but you know, we have we have. We disagree
Speaker 1: totally on their lifestyle, right, because he has to work
Speaker 1: strictly through science. I mean there's people after his tenure
Speaker 1: at his college all the time because of the study
Speaker 1: his study of Bigfoot, okay, and so we have to
Speaker 1: be very very careful what he says and how he
Speaker 1: says it anything. He has to have the evidence there exactly.
Speaker 1: The difference is I've sat with them and watched their
Speaker 1: their family, and i know how they live. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we have a different opinion on that and what uh.
Speaker 1: We've both spoken at the Sashquat Somemmit every year it's
Speaker 1: been there, and a couple of years ago I went
Speaker 1: up to him afterwards and shook hands as well. Jeff
Speaker 1: us is we kept our We kept our tradition. In
Speaker 1: the fact I says we disagree with sixty percent of
Speaker 1: what one another saying, we shake hands and go home friends. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: you can disagree without being disagreeable exactly, And he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: he suys, that's strange as I'm sitting there listening to
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I'm I'm disagreeing with it, but
Speaker 1: you're so darned articulate, and you say it so well,
Speaker 1: I find my head going up and down.
Speaker 2: Right, You can't tell that I understand that completely.
Speaker 1: I told him, Jeff, I says, listen to your heads,
Speaker 1: listen to your heads. Yeah, we have a good relationship.
Speaker 1: But Jeff and I and again we disagree on much.
Speaker 1: But I'd never sat and listened to him that I
Speaker 1: didn't learn something, right, You know, I've never learned anything
Speaker 1: worth knowing from people who agreed with me totally.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean you know as well
Speaker 2: as I Yeah, you know as well as I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, just alone, that nineteen sixty seven Roger Patterson
Speaker 2: Bob get On footage has been has been debating and
Speaker 2: dissected over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: Yes, from every.
Speaker 2: Skeptic to every scientist and every step of the field.
Speaker 2: But you know that's what you know, what kissed me
Speaker 2: is that nobody could debunk it. And now that's what
Speaker 2: I love about it.
Speaker 3: Nobody could debunk it prove Otherwise.
Speaker 1: You teach somebody like Bill Muns you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, graphic and analysts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And I mean the guy ran the school
Speaker 1: and costume making for thirty years, forty years, okay, he
Speaker 1: created costumes for movies that we all know, and yet
Speaker 1: he goes through that not only frame by frame, but
Speaker 1: layer by layer of emotion within the frames and the
Speaker 1: you know, the injury on the thigh that ever said, well,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's where it got shot. It isn't even
Speaker 1: there in the original. That's that's that's something that comes
Speaker 1: from copies of copies of copies of.
Speaker 2: Copies, exactly. And well, many people don't realize that Bill
Speaker 2: Minz was the one of the very few that have
Speaker 2: ever were able to obtain original the original copy footage
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Was first generation, first generation. Yeah. Yeah, and he went
Speaker 1: right to Patricia Patterson's home to.
Speaker 2: Do it right exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, that's he did fantastic work. And I've
Speaker 1: had the honor to host him a couple of conferences
Speaker 1: that I did, and that the man is just fantastic
Speaker 1: to listen to. I had him as my keynote speaker
Speaker 1: at one and just told him, you know, if the
Speaker 1: times yours go as long as you want Saturday evening,
Speaker 1: and he just had us in absolute awe two and
Speaker 1: a half hours as he went to his evidence and summation.
Speaker 1: Is even if you had somebody that could make the
Speaker 1: suit which even was admitted to be impossible to do
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. You couldn't find a body that
Speaker 1: would fit in it.
Speaker 2: Right, Like one of the things I like to present
Speaker 2: when I do a lot of speaking Againe with myself
Speaker 2: and based off the studies and the history have research
Speaker 2: the best so that they had that I mean well,
Speaker 2: first of all, I mean people like to like, you know, like, okay,
Speaker 2: well this could have been made from this and that. Well,
Speaker 2: looking back at that, during that time error Hollywood even
Speaker 2: spoke up, So we didn't have nothing that could benefit
Speaker 2: anything near anything that John Jannis dizity themselves the best
Speaker 2: they had, the best they had back then. That came
Speaker 2: out in March of nineteen sixty eight, was the the
Speaker 2: first year of the Plane of the Age came out. Look,
Speaker 2: they were mony.
Speaker 1: That took four hours per person to put on. Okay,
Speaker 1: John Chambers said, you know, if that's a fake, that's
Speaker 1: the greatest fake that was ever made. He was an
Speaker 1: Academy Academy Award for that Planet of the Age movie
Speaker 1: for and he said, because I couldn't do it, and
Speaker 1: then we just simply don't have the material to do that,
Speaker 1: oh for sure. But they ignore that, and well my
Speaker 1: brother in law said, well, your brother in law's an idiot.
Speaker 4: What's your point, right, I mean, even with today's technology,
Speaker 4: I mean they you know, I don't know if have
Speaker 4: you seen the modern plan of the eighth movies.
Speaker 2: They didn't try to They really didn't try to change,
Speaker 2: you know, everything animal. You know, it's either C G
Speaker 2: I or or they've used actually modern day costumes, which well,
Speaker 2: you know, technology has come a long way. Of course.
Speaker 2: You know there's C G I and AI and everything
Speaker 2: in between. Us come up, you know, like even with
Speaker 2: King Kong and Godzilla. I mean I love those movies.
Speaker 2: Don't get wrong, I don't care. I don't care how
Speaker 2: they're produced. There is trade entertainment, yeah right, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean look at I mean, now we have there's
Speaker 2: Hollywood costumes if you just do you know, here's a
Speaker 2: thing I'm bringing up right real quick, not to get
Speaker 2: too far off topic right now, but uh, I mean
Speaker 2: there's so many cool bigfoot costumes out there. I've seen
Speaker 2: so many over the years, and there's costumes that individuals
Speaker 2: could buy if you're willing to pay you the high
Speaker 2: cost of some of these costumes from you know, some
Speaker 2: of the same costumes that are made in films, that
Speaker 2: are put in films, and the horror films, some of
Speaker 2: them are look very I mean you should just looking
Speaker 2: at the costume myself, it's like, oh crap. I would
Speaker 2: hate to come across anything it looks like that, you know.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've had my I've had my share
Speaker 2: of experiences, but I can't say I've seen them face
Speaker 2: and face in daytime. I've had my nighttime experiences. But time,
Speaker 2: maybe time will tell, maybe I will find maybe I'll
Speaker 2: experience something later on down the road movie.
Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting because virtually all of my work
Speaker 1: has been done in daylight. I don't even know after dark.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but I feel like I know a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people do work, you know, after dark, right and
Speaker 1: have results. But that's never been It's not anything I've
Speaker 1: ever had to do. Like you say, virtually every contact
Speaker 1: I've had, And then my contact started in about nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one, seventy seventy one, right in there, okay. And
Speaker 1: from nineteen fifty eight to that time, I finished high school,
Speaker 1: and I spent nine years in the Navy. And let
Speaker 1: me tell you, three hundred feet below the surface of
Speaker 1: the North Atlantic is not a great place to look
Speaker 1: for Sassquatch.
Speaker 2: I can imagine. Wow wow.
Speaker 1: But I did a lot of studying and I read
Speaker 1: anything I get my hands on about them. But after
Speaker 1: the Navy transferred me to to Western Washington, and I
Speaker 1: was living in the Olympic Peninsula, Western Washington in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight, and that's when I could start start really researching,
Speaker 1: put the boots on the ground researching, and all the
Speaker 1: way then all the way through well through today. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's that's been my I mean, I've had contact with
Speaker 1: them from from Georgia to Alaska and uh and places
Speaker 1: in between. But yeah, it's just it's ongoing. At Georgia,
Speaker 1: we had a group of us, around eighteen of us
Speaker 1: sitting around the campfire and had two of them join
Speaker 1: us at the campfire. Walked right up behind me, standing
Speaker 1: right behind me at the campfire.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, where was this located at?
Speaker 1: In Western Georgia?
Speaker 2: A Western Georgia, Okay.
Speaker 1: About eight miles from the Alabama line. We were all, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a gathering there every year for five or six,
Speaker 1: seven years or something like that. Yeah, and wipe that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually over the last four years, I've actually
Speaker 2: heard a lot of Georgia reports and sidings first hand
Speaker 2: from individuals down in South Carolina. They have the South
Speaker 2: kind of uh, the South Carolina Big Festival, and that's
Speaker 2: in Westminster, South Carolina. And at that point, you know,
Speaker 2: every time I go down there, I don't I've never
Speaker 2: really come through collusion or really realize how close to
Speaker 2: Georgia that pardular location was a majority of people who
Speaker 2: actually come out to that festival when that when I'm
Speaker 2: speaking to them, because I have I speak there every
Speaker 2: year and I have a bootset up there, and I've
Speaker 2: had so many people like hey, wanted to share their
Speaker 2: stories and the like when you're like, oh, where did
Speaker 2: this happen? Because you know, I want to learn about
Speaker 2: locations and sightings so I can document them. You know,
Speaker 2: here I am and it's South Carolina, thinking okay, this
Speaker 2: is a South Carolina report. Then they're like no, I'm
Speaker 2: like it's like a lot of their sightings like in Georgia,
Speaker 2: but their locations are like ten to fifteen minutes away
Speaker 2: in Georgia. I was like, wait a minute, we're in
Speaker 2: South Carolina. Where how far away you live in Georgia? Yeah,
Speaker 2: then Georgia is only like five ten minutes away from here.
Speaker 2: I Oh, my gosh, I had no id, no idea
Speaker 2: or understanding that I was that close to Georgia. And
Speaker 2: when I go down here every October, I go to
Speaker 2: South Carolina. So majority of the reports I learned about
Speaker 2: are coming from Georgia. Yeah, I'm learning some from South Carolina,
Speaker 2: but most of the reports, I'm like very intrigued that there.
Speaker 2: Georgia is like right there because the line, Yeah, it's weird,
Speaker 2: it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Northwestern Georgia has quite a population of the dude. We
Speaker 1: were in Alana get I think it was twenty eleven
Speaker 1: other conference there and stay cabin on the site where
Speaker 1: the conference was, and we had it around us all
Speaker 1: the time. Watch out the window of the cabin and
Speaker 1: seeing them run around. Wow, yeah it was it was cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we had quite a bunch of others there.
Speaker 2: Right real quick, before we get off topic, Where exactly
Speaker 2: are you located right now? If you don't mind me, mask,
Speaker 2: I live.
Speaker 1: I live in the state of Washington.
Speaker 2: Oh you're in Washington, Okay.
Speaker 1: I've lived here since nineteen sixty eight. Nice transferring me
Speaker 1: up here. I got up and I stayed.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: They wanted me to go back to South Carolina again.
Speaker 1: I said, no, No, I've been to South Carolina. There's
Speaker 1: no Elk there. I've looked and I had it all
Speaker 1: around you where I lived.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, okay, I was going to present when you
Speaker 2: told me Washington. I was going to tell you something
Speaker 2: about Washington, which is very cool. But then you said
Speaker 2: South Carolina and Elk. So my first year attending South Carolina,
Speaker 2: I was. I was staying at with some friends. They
Speaker 2: let me camp out on their property for the first
Speaker 2: year I was speaking at the festival. And now keep
Speaker 2: in mind, I mind you that their property borders a
Speaker 2: lot of woods, and there's this small swamp nearby with
Speaker 2: a lot of bamboo trees and forests and everything. And
Speaker 2: one of the nights we were out there, we're sitting
Speaker 2: there because in the backyard of my friend's property, you know,
Speaker 2: me and the other individual that camped out there and
Speaker 2: stayed there, we were ting camping in the backyard. And
Speaker 2: you know the family that hosted us, you know my
Speaker 2: good friends of mine. You know, every night we were
Speaker 2: to have a campfire and this and that we would
Speaker 2: do some exploring around the back edge of the property
Speaker 2: and they was shown me various different things because they
Speaker 2: had a lot of wild boards that would be on
Speaker 2: the property during the daytime. They would showed me the
Speaker 2: signs and we found hair that belonged to the wild
Speaker 2: boards and this and that, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
Speaker 2: one of the nights we were here, we were standing
Speaker 2: there and it was dead quiet, and know, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, like I trust me, I've studied a lot
Speaker 2: of wildlife signs of sign and vocals, and what we
Speaker 2: heard next was like, oh my god, are you guys
Speaker 2: hearing this? And like we're clear as day. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're all listening to this.
Speaker 3: Sid you guys hear that?
Speaker 2: Do you guys know what that is?
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's a that's oh my gosh, I'm having
Speaker 3: a brain.
Speaker 2: That's a not a deer not uh what do you
Speaker 2: call those animals that they sound like a bugle?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Elk? Yes, thank you, thank you? Clear day.
Speaker 3: It wasn't close, but it wasn't that far off either.
Speaker 2: I was like, do you guys hear this?
Speaker 3: That's a I was like, I pulled that's a freaking elk.
Speaker 2: So you guys got elk down here. It's like, my
Speaker 2: friends like that owned the property. I was like, we
Speaker 2: didn't know what we did. I said, dude, that's an elk.
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, we had the elk up
Speaker 2: in Virginia, but you don't hear about them that often
Speaker 2: because there they were relieved back in the nineteen sixties
Speaker 2: and then later on in the early nineteen eighties in
Speaker 2: the western marks of the state. But then I learned
Speaker 2: more and more how popular elk were just in Virginia alone,
Speaker 2: And then you got then some years later, in more
Speaker 2: modern times, they were a population of them were released
Speaker 2: in West Virginia right well. But while we were down
Speaker 2: there in South Carolina, I was like, I'm hearing this,
Speaker 2: I said, I said elk. I said, that is so cool,
Speaker 2: because you know, apart from all the wooded land and
Speaker 2: the forest that we were you know, you know, examining
Speaker 2: and researching through, well, there was a lot of farm
Speaker 2: land out in that general area. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: flat land, a lot of farmland.
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's not a cow.
Speaker 2: I know, my cow. I grew up around the cows
Speaker 2: and the dairy life all my life I lived. I
Speaker 2: grew up on forums all my life. I know, wildlife.
Speaker 2: We raised cakes every year and we slaughtered them every year.
Speaker 2: I said, I grew up around wildlife, in all these
Speaker 2: various different species of animals. I was so excited to
Speaker 2: hear this because I know exactly what I was listening to. You,
Speaker 2: I studied sounds of localizations over the years. In since
Speaker 2: I was a young kid. I was very acquainted with wildlife.
Speaker 2: It's just you don't get to experience them all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, depends on where you live. But when you
Speaker 2: hear them, there's no mistake in what you're hearing. I said,
Speaker 2: this is the nilk. I said, you guys got elk
Speaker 2: down here, so you know, keep in mind this is
Speaker 2: in the western part of South Carolina. I mean my
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, the festival, the Bigfoot Festival
Speaker 2: is in Westminster, Westminster, South Carolina, in the western part
Speaker 2: of the state. Where I was staying. It was only
Speaker 2: about twenty minutes from where the festival is right and
Speaker 2: during this was the first year I've ever been down here.
Speaker 2: To me, I know, it may not even exciting to
Speaker 2: many people, but to hear what I heard, to experience
Speaker 2: when I heard that was something. To hear it in
Speaker 2: elk for the first time ever, and we got a
Speaker 2: I know for a fact because it's proven and it's
Speaker 2: been documented, even if I've seen pictures of hunters who
Speaker 2: had taken them in right here in Virginia, but I
Speaker 2: never heard of elk. I had reason to believe that
Speaker 2: we have elk that live in Virginia because I have
Speaker 2: seen duran in the National Forest out here in West Virginia,
Speaker 2: where I spent a great deal in my life. I've
Speaker 2: seen very large hoof tracks that these, ah, what the
Speaker 2: heck did this come from. I have seen scat that
Speaker 2: looked like larger than a multi milkball that you would
Speaker 2: get in the candy store.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, and.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I've had people I've posted pictures of this and
Speaker 2: many years ago, and I've had people from out west
Speaker 2: on the West Coast that hunt elk and well view
Speaker 2: my pictures of what I posted as the scat and say, dude,
Speaker 2: that's elk's dat.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Not once have I ever heard of them in my
Speaker 2: research area, which is here in Virginia on the western
Speaker 2: part of the state. But I've had reason to believe
Speaker 2: before I've ever had confirmation that, yeah, that's elkskat I
Speaker 2: believe that they're out here. I've just never seen them
Speaker 2: because you know, I mean, we do have large deer.
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of deer over the years. I've
Speaker 2: spent many years in these woods. I've seen things that
Speaker 2: people will say that even authority say that we don't have,
Speaker 2: like the mountain lions. Yeah, we got mountains here.
Speaker 1: You know, if you get a healthy deer population, you've
Speaker 1: got mountain lion's, I guarantee you.
Speaker 2: Oh. But just as kind of a thrown out there
Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen, I've seen them. I had a
Speaker 2: witness with me in my same main research are that
Speaker 2: I like to explore and research a life. I've seen
Speaker 2: a black one across the road. You know it was
Speaker 2: I said, I didn't know what the heck I was
Speaker 2: looking at. It was something black on the side of
Speaker 2: the road, until it got them on all forward across
Speaker 2: the road on me. I was like, what the heck.
Speaker 6: That's not a bear? What the heck is that long
Speaker 6: ass tail dragging behind it? You know, And that's just
Speaker 6: you know, not to get into that. But there's been so.
Speaker 2: Many other reports in surrounding counties just west of where
Speaker 2: I've seen witness that. I mean, yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 2: mountain last year.
Speaker 3: But all your all your game awardens and.
Speaker 2: Your game officials every time they come in to check it. Uh,
Speaker 2: Like I've talked to so many. I've spoke to so
Speaker 2: many over the years, and like they'll come in and
Speaker 2: check it, like, well, you're camping out in these permitive locations,
Speaker 2: They'll come in and check make sure you're not doing
Speaker 2: nothing illegal. But you know, I've had so many conversations
Speaker 2: with so many of them over the years. There's stories
Speaker 2: are so identical. It's like, really, when are you gonna
Speaker 2: like when they tell you the same game pitch like,
Speaker 2: you're like, really, like you just listen, they're all the same,
Speaker 2: and you're thinking of one to change your story. I mean, fine,
Speaker 2: you guys got to come up with a better game
Speaker 2: than this, because you know, they will tell you that
Speaker 2: they don't exist here. Why are they afraid of them?
Speaker 3: Who admit that, Hey, we have mountain lions here.
Speaker 2: What's the big.
Speaker 1: Deal they're afraid the public panic?
Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, mm hmm, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable what the government officials do. I have an
Speaker 1: ongoing war with them. Uh, and twice I've seen wolves
Speaker 1: on the Olympic Peninsula. Told the state, Oh, they don't
Speaker 1: exist here, what you sell? Right, You're right. I've only
Speaker 1: been in the woods for fifty years and I don't
Speaker 1: know a kyout from wolf.
Speaker 2: Right, you know exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And uh so I just don't even deal with
Speaker 1: those people anymore. Uh let them let me live in
Speaker 1: their own uh A little little shell there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was elk actually that created my first excellent sighting
Speaker 1: of sasquatch. Now I had seen them peeking around trees
Speaker 1: and such like that before. I by my degrees in forestry,
Speaker 1: log and engineering actually and uh bridge, where I did
Speaker 1: I say that? And I've never worked aday as an
Speaker 1: employee for anybody as a logan engineer. I got out
Speaker 1: of college and found out what they paid, and I
Speaker 1: had a logging company going on my own then, and
Speaker 1: it was making me a whole lot more money than
Speaker 1: that was. But I did do a lot of consulting work.
Speaker 1: And in the state of Washington, if you're going to
Speaker 1: build a road that crosses a stream used by anagamus
Speaker 1: fish runs that's face that spawn on fresh water and
Speaker 1: go to salt water and then come back to spawn salmon,
Speaker 1: steel head, even lamprey eel. See that type of thing.
Speaker 1: If it's used by that type of face. You have
Speaker 1: to have a permit from the state to build a bridge,
Speaker 1: and so they would hire me to do that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Unfortunately as a consultant, they're on board engineers got the
Speaker 1: ones who were next to the road. I got the
Speaker 1: one that was six miles in. You know, then I
Speaker 1: had to hike in. But I'd sit there after I
Speaker 1: did all the drawings. I figured out really quickly, you
Speaker 1: don't hike back out six miles sit down at the
Speaker 1: desk that evening to draw it up and find out
Speaker 1: you've forgotten one measurement and have to go back in
Speaker 1: and the day to get it that ruins your whole
Speaker 1: day for you, right, So I would after I got
Speaker 1: done with all my measurements. You have to measure the
Speaker 1: wid the depth, the water flow rate, the soil types
Speaker 1: and and and all of these types of things and
Speaker 1: come then come up with a basic design for whatever
Speaker 1: bridge you're going to build. And so I just sit
Speaker 1: down on the bank after I had my measurements and
Speaker 1: makes you draw it out, make sure I had all
Speaker 1: the pertinent facts and at that time, I'd start seeing
Speaker 1: them peeking around the tree at me, wondering what I
Speaker 1: was doing sitting there by myself, six miles from the
Speaker 1: I mean, they hadn't been anybody there in the last
Speaker 1: four hundred years. Uh This timber was, you know, four
Speaker 1: hundred five hundred years old. Uh So it wasn't like
Speaker 1: it gets traveled every day because there's People don't realize this,
Speaker 1: but in old growth conifer forest, there's no game under
Speaker 1: the In an old growth conifer forest, there's no feed. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's no game. That's all around the clear cuts,
Speaker 1: around the open areas where the feed grows. That's where
Speaker 1: they are. And so I'd hike back out do my stuff.
Speaker 1: But that's all I ever got was just those glimpses
Speaker 1: until we were we were shut down, fire fire shut down.
Speaker 1: One day, it was late September, the elk bugling, and
Speaker 1: so my partner and I decided to go go grouse honey,
Speaker 1: which was a euphemism for being in the woods with
Speaker 1: the awk for bugling, because we both loved it. And
Speaker 1: we came on our herd alk and parked the truck,
Speaker 1: took off after him, and we followed half a day
Speaker 1: walking along with them, and uh just I mean it
Speaker 1: was close enough. I could reach over to the left,
Speaker 1: touch cow, reach over to the right and touch cow,
Speaker 1: and there you could see a bull. Every now and again.
Speaker 1: It was rot time and they were bugling, and we
Speaker 1: finally got up up in a corner. It was clerk
Speaker 1: out on you know, two sides, and either had to
Speaker 1: come out in the open or come back by us.
Speaker 1: And most of them did come back by us, but
Speaker 1: a few went out in the opening. And I screeped
Speaker 1: up over the hill and looked, and here's the herd
Speaker 1: bow up on the side of the hill, bugling his
Speaker 1: brains out, tried to get his cows back together, and
Speaker 1: he was upset. He was really mad at spuked up
Speaker 1: the sideim He just lowered his horn and rolled him
Speaker 1: down the hill. And we had brust up his herd,
Speaker 1: and he was not a happy camper. So we decided
Speaker 1: it was time to leave them alone, let him get
Speaker 1: back together. And of course by that time we were separated,
Speaker 1: but didn't make any different scary. It was a forester
Speaker 1: or too. We knew how to get out at any
Speaker 1: place we were, and so I just started back, and
Speaker 1: on the way back I saw this clearing ahead of me. Now,
Speaker 1: you got to remember this place, This place where I
Speaker 1: was is just timber. That's all it is, is timber.
Speaker 1: And there was this clearing, and usually that means a
Speaker 1: water hole, so I just can't sneak up on it
Speaker 1: slowly see if I could see anything around the water hole,
Speaker 1: alky deer or something. And I got up there and
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't a water hole. It was a
Speaker 1: little patch of blown down timber about both six seven
Speaker 1: acres maybe, and I saw two bear feeding along the
Speaker 1: edge of it, and they were they were eating oyster mushrooms.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know them, but if
Speaker 1: you have them back there or not, I don't recall
Speaker 1: seeing them when I lived back there, but they're absolutely delicious.
Speaker 1: You pick them right off the log and need them raw.
Speaker 1: They're delicious. And so I decided to watch the bears
Speaker 1: for a minute, and all of a sudden, one of
Speaker 1: the bears stood up to look around. That was no bear,
Speaker 1: m oh okay. And then the other one stood up,
Speaker 1: and that was the female. You can see the brass
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. And I sat there for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes watching them as they fed long a
Speaker 1: little closer to me, and they were about thirty five
Speaker 1: maybe forty yards from me at the closest, and then
Speaker 1: I felt a gust of wind hit the back of
Speaker 1: my neck, so I knew I was busted. I had
Speaker 1: four eyes had just snapped right to me, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I just stood up, and I was sitting
Speaker 1: behind this big old spruce tree is about eight foot diameter,
Speaker 1: and just stepped out in the open. And he had
Speaker 1: stepped back and let her go in front of him,
Speaker 1: and as she laughed, she reached down, picked up a baby,
Speaker 1: put it on her chest, and she stepped back into
Speaker 1: the timber. And I said, before you go, I want
Speaker 1: to thank you for allowing me to see your family.
Speaker 1: And he turned it back, looked back at me, and
Speaker 1: I swear to this day, I swear to this day
Speaker 1: that he nodded his head at me.
Speaker 3: And then turned Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was just totally awesome. But that
Speaker 1: was their first time that I ever got to sit
Speaker 1: with and watch a sasquatch doing going about their everyday thing.
Speaker 1: And ever since then, I just worked my butt up
Speaker 1: to make that a regular thing, because, let me tell you,
Speaker 1: the Diane Fossey Jane Goodall way is the only way
Speaker 1: to understand these beings.
Speaker 2: I have to agree with you because you don't anyone.
Speaker 2: For those who don't understand Jane Goodall's methods and how
Speaker 2: he witnessed and observed the wildlife, especially the mountain various
Speaker 2: species of mountain goerillas, and also those who don't know Ian.
Speaker 2: Uh what's the idan? Ian? Oh? My gosh, I have
Speaker 2: a brain fart on his last name. But there's other
Speaker 2: primatologists who have witness observed these mountain gerillers in their
Speaker 2: very own inhabitants, you know, inhabitants you know that have witness.
Speaker 1: That was Diane Fosse. Diane worked with the gorillas and
Speaker 1: Jane worked with the chimpanzees.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, Ian Redmond that's the other name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And he he was Jane Goodall's uh mentor,
Speaker 1: wasn't He wasn't that well?
Speaker 2: They were in the same field, but they had different
Speaker 2: they they at the same time, they had different uh
Speaker 2: projects involved.
Speaker 1: I've read his name in conjunction with her. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was her sponsor. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Jane Goodall and Ann Redmen they were both conservationists
Speaker 2: in their own field, right, you know, uh, they have
Speaker 2: very similar uh activities where they both observed the Mountain
Speaker 2: guerrillas in their own inhabitat. I speak a lot about
Speaker 2: Jane Goodall because a lot of people are familiar with
Speaker 2: Jane Goodall, right, and they're more familiar with her and
Speaker 2: what she's.
Speaker 3: Conducted in the field.
Speaker 2: Not many are, you know, you speak about Ian Redman,
Speaker 2: they're like people like, who's that? You know? It's like, well,
Speaker 2: Ian Redman and Jane Goodall, they're basically the same. There
Speaker 2: are two different people in the same field, but also
Speaker 2: also different at the same time. So, yeah, and Redmond,
Speaker 2: which I've had many years ago. I've actually had him
Speaker 2: as a.
Speaker 3: As a guest on a podcast many years ago.
Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of people don't stand that
Speaker 2: these are the same individuals that who witness and observe
Speaker 2: what they observed, you know, as far as with real
Speaker 2: primates in your own field, you know, uh several different
Speaker 2: times and whatnot mm hm. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I use I use Jane Goodall a
Speaker 2: lot in a lot of presentation because she tends to
Speaker 2: be more of the popular name that's known, well known. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So I try to get people present and understand that
Speaker 2: Ian Redmond. If you don't know who Ian Redman is,
Speaker 2: he's a conservationist who's been in the very same field
Speaker 2: as Jane Goodall. You know, if you don't know, If
Speaker 2: you don't know Ian Redmond, get very feel, get very
Speaker 2: little clink tad familiar with him? M hm now uh
Speaker 2: versus Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall, she is the one when
Speaker 2: it comes to Bigfoot. She will be she's you know,
Speaker 2: she will speak on it. Well, I believe there is
Speaker 2: something out there. And you know, because you know she's
Speaker 2: witnessed and observed these mountain guerrillas and there in their
Speaker 2: own natural habitats. A lot of people don't realize that
Speaker 2: you know what she's witnessed and or she's observed many
Speaker 2: many times over and over. We could relate to Bigfoot
Speaker 2: in so many different ways. But again, if she is
Speaker 2: somebody who will tell you straight up, straight off, you know,
Speaker 2: on her own world, you know, and with through her
Speaker 2: own words that she won't admit, but she will tell
Speaker 2: you that she believes there is something out there that
Speaker 2: has not been discovered yet.
Speaker 3: She believes that there is something out there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I Redmond on the other hand, he's more
Speaker 2: conservative on the subject. You know, but if you understand
Speaker 2: the behaviors of these primates that we do know that
Speaker 2: it exists, there is a very close resemblance and on
Speaker 2: their behaviors. So I challenge people to do their research
Speaker 2: and look at who these individuals individuals are. Jane Goodall's
Speaker 2: a primatologist. She studied primates up close and personal, Mountain
Speaker 2: griddles up close and personal. Jane Goodall, excuse me, Anne Redmond,
Speaker 2: in the same way, of course, he goes a little
Speaker 2: bit beyond further with other mambals such as elephants and
Speaker 2: so forth. You know, people have no understanding who these
Speaker 2: people are, you know, Jane Goodall has been brought up
Speaker 2: numerous times in the big food field, you know, but
Speaker 2: people gotta understand what these people, what their special talenty,
Speaker 2: what there, what the researcher consisted of, what they specialize in,
Speaker 2: and how they understand these primate beings.
Speaker 1: So m hm, yeah, without a doubt. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: uh for all through the seventies. That was my experience
Speaker 1: out on the Peninsularist, working and running into one after
Speaker 1: another over the years until twenty ten. Bring us up
Speaker 1: to twenty ten and I was in the Blue Mountains
Speaker 1: in eastern Washington and met my teacher and it was
Speaker 1: just such an absolutely wonderful occasion. The fellow is nine
Speaker 1: foot three inches tall, absolutely huge, I mean just shoulders
Speaker 1: that are five feet across, and he held my hand
Speaker 1: in his and when he did, his fingers came down
Speaker 1: to about here. Yeah, just an absolutely And he's the
Speaker 1: one I've written sixteen I'm working on my sixteenth book
Speaker 1: right now, and they're all ridden because of him, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's the one. He's the one that prodded me, kept
Speaker 1: me going, gave me, gave me flues, stuff to research,
Speaker 1: where to look, and it all came from him. His
Speaker 1: name is Zachie, and I still see him fairly regularly now.
Speaker 1: Even even though I live in an assisted living facility
Speaker 1: now and don't get out as much as I used to,
Speaker 1: I still try to get out some. And in August,
Speaker 1: I'm going to California, back to the Bluff Creek area
Speaker 1: for a week, right, and we're gonna rede redo the
Speaker 1: renevous we had there in twenty fourteen that was so fantastic.
Speaker 1: We had five sightings right in camp during that one.
Speaker 1: We had two on the road right in front of
Speaker 1: our car, twenty feet from us. Uh. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just a fantastic, fantastic and we're I've only got I
Speaker 1: think three more openings for it and and it'll be filled.
Speaker 1: I'll keep it. Oh wait, you know a substitute list
Speaker 1: in case somebody drops out. But yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be fantastic.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. Well Tom, Yeah, one of the questions I
Speaker 2: want to ask you, I mean, just curious, how old
Speaker 2: are you right now? Old? Oh? Eighty one? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm glad I asked. I was for some reason,
Speaker 2: I was under the impression you were a little younger.
Speaker 2: But okay, you're eighty one years old right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm growing this for this summer's outing, that's
Speaker 1: what that's for.
Speaker 2: Well, with that being said, that just just out of curiosity,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm being out of your age right now?
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you limiting? Limiting in your travels?
Speaker 1: I have to I can't fly anymore, drive, I'm subject
Speaker 1: to other people for everything I do. I can't walk.
Speaker 1: I have to use a scooter to get around, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm limited. That doesn't stop me. I'm still
Speaker 1: speaking at I think four conferences this year so far,
Speaker 1: and while going to so long View this weekend, and
Speaker 1: then first of March to Ja Halo's Washington In, going
Speaker 1: to Blue Mountains in July, oh night, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: no Blue Mountainyeah, Blue Mountains in July, and then California
Speaker 1: in August, and then back to camp. I work very
Speaker 1: closely with Barbershops group.
Speaker 2: And oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And she just lives twenty minutes up the hill from
Speaker 1: me here and and I really love you want to
Speaker 1: see somebody that does research, right, that group does. That's
Speaker 1: what drew them to me initially. Uh. I mean, if
Speaker 1: somebody finds something, it gets recorded, it gets you know,
Speaker 1: the whole write up on it, video, the whole works.
Speaker 1: Just fantastic job that she does. And I think I've
Speaker 1: got her writing a book out to you.
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, I would love you know, I seriously would
Speaker 2: love to meet up with you and be a partisan
Speaker 2: research included with you. Because for the first time three
Speaker 2: years ago, I was flown out the Washington Estate and Spokane, Washington,
Speaker 2: I was and yeah, I was actually flown out to
Speaker 2: be a part of a big foot talk show. It
Speaker 2: was an interview, but it was for the show called
Speaker 2: Pocaine Talks, also known as UH.
Speaker 3: Bigfoot Today. And that individual who hosted.
Speaker 2: That, I'm having a brain part right now, my head
Speaker 2: trying to think of his name. Who Actually he's been
Speaker 2: involved with several different Bigfoot documentaries and uh.
Speaker 3: That individual flew me out to Washington State three years ago.
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, it was incredible. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wish I had more time to spend out there,
Speaker 2: and he flew me on a Tuesday. We did the
Speaker 2: show in the interview on film on a Wednesday, and
Speaker 2: then I had Unfortunately it sucked. I really wish I
Speaker 2: had more child out there because head I had to
Speaker 2: come back home on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Well, you're welcome. Look on my page at my website
Speaker 1: is just my name dot com. So right look there
Speaker 1: and you can you can see our our August outing
Speaker 1: in northern California. He'd be more than welcome to that.
Speaker 1: You'd be more than welcome to come join us for
Speaker 1: one of the Barbon Goldie camp House. We do four
Speaker 1: of those a year, uh May, June, September and October.
Speaker 1: Uh May June. We got five this year made June, July, September, October.
Speaker 1: So okay, you do welcome for any of those. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I mean we have lots of activity right in
Speaker 1: camp with those. I mean they come right into right
Speaker 1: into our camp.
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, I have no doubt that you guys have.
Speaker 2: I know there's big put out there. I have no
Speaker 2: doubt whatsoever in the vision. I'm trying to remember his name.
Speaker 2: He Oh my gosh, like I said, he flew me
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: I think I know who you mean. And I just
Speaker 1: can't remember it either.
Speaker 2: Ah man, I'm trying to remember his name. But like
Speaker 2: I said, he uh yeah, he flew me out there
Speaker 2: interview me. And uh, you know, I was surprised.
Speaker 3: He he he flew me.
Speaker 2: Out there and interviewed me. And the thing is, during
Speaker 2: that particular time, you know, because the weather was kind
Speaker 2: of shitty. I ain't a lie the shitty the weather
Speaker 2: was shitty, Uh, I mean he I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong. That short time I was out there.
Speaker 3: For the couple of days that it was.
Speaker 2: I wish it could have lasted longer because I had
Speaker 2: a great time being with him, and you know, an
Speaker 2: uber driver. He gave me a couple of DVDs that
Speaker 2: he was because they produced a couple of documentaries back
Speaker 2: he came across his on other TV series where he
Speaker 2: was part of a TV series where he was actually
Speaker 2: the main person involved that hosted all this. Man, I
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm having a brain part. Remember his name.
Speaker 2: But when he brought me out there, Yeah, he played
Speaker 2: for our hotel lodging. We ate and fed me. I
Speaker 2: ate great out there. I ain't gonna lie. Uh every
Speaker 2: I mean even the hotel I stayed at had a
Speaker 2: nice dining room restaurant there. The first time we ate,
Speaker 2: and then like I said, the next day, I brought
Speaker 2: I came up there on Tuesday, and it was Wednesday
Speaker 2: morning where we did went went to the studio to
Speaker 2: do the recording for the show. And even after that, uh,
Speaker 2: we basically did bar harping. We went to a couple
Speaker 2: of different bars. He brought me to a spoke in
Speaker 2: Washington and Skylift where we you know, we got skylift,
Speaker 2: which was awesome, you know. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: he brought me to one of the coolest resorts, uh,
Speaker 2: the casinos out there, so that was cool.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We had a good I ain't gonna lie. We had
Speaker 2: a great time out there. I'm not going to get that.
Speaker 2: We had a great time out there. Good Quest hotel,
Speaker 2: Quest hotel or resort whatever would I think it was so?
Speaker 2: I mean it was one of the very few resorts
Speaker 2: and the casinos that were one of the very few
Speaker 2: that were still remaining that was owned by a Native
Speaker 2: American tribe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well in the state of wors and they all.
Speaker 2: Are oh okay, okay, good deal, Okay. Yeah, but he
Speaker 2: brought me to one where you know, it was a
Speaker 2: fun time regardless. I didn't win nothing. But you know
Speaker 2: when we went there, it was me, him and his
Speaker 2: uber driver that he paid the transport us all around
Speaker 2: wherever we went to the uber driver because.
Speaker 3: He gave me like a hundred bucks of cash.
Speaker 2: He's the hair. We're gonna play one particular game and
Speaker 2: if we win, we win. Hey, this is great.
Speaker 3: If we win, you get you get to keep so
Speaker 3: much of it.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. I never won nothing, We never went up.
Speaker 1: But uh it was.
Speaker 2: It was a great experience. I gotta say that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going well, I say North is spoken
Speaker 1: in June. I've got to speaking engagement up there right
Speaker 1: up the border there. Uh so, yeah, and it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's great. Sometimes in June, the weather. It can be
Speaker 1: a little raw yet, but uh, but it's fun. You
Speaker 1: throw a rock, do north from there to the land
Speaker 1: in Canada, and turn around throw it to east of
Speaker 1: the land of Idaho. That's how close we are to
Speaker 1: the corner of the state. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: We'd lose you, Daniel. Yeah, I apologize by that. I
Speaker 2: kind of went off. I lost my connection here for
Speaker 2: a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured that's what had happened. No, big, I
Speaker 1: was actually trying to huh, I said, dealing with these things,
Speaker 1: you're going to get knocked off once in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was actually trying to look up information you
Speaker 2: might know who want to talk about if you guys,
Speaker 2: couple of different film documentaries.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's had individuals who have been involved with what
Speaker 3: he does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know the name. It's so right
Speaker 1: on the tip of my tongue, and I just can't
Speaker 1: bring it to mind. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm right there with you, because I should remember
Speaker 2: better than I had to remember. Uh. And I wish
Speaker 2: I could remember his name mm hmm. I mean he said,
Speaker 2: I got a couple of different documentary films that included
Speaker 2: with him and Adam Davies Adam Davies have been involved
Speaker 2: with him, you know, and a lot of it has
Speaker 2: to do with the uh what's that one part of
Speaker 2: it they did a documentary uh that were where they
Speaker 2: were based out of Alaska. I can't think of the
Speaker 2: name of the area. I got the DVD, but I
Speaker 2: can't think of the name of it my head.
Speaker 1: Having those weird encounters up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yes, Yes, that's it. Yeah, Chatham, mm hmm,
Speaker 2: because there's there's been some very interesting things just happened
Speaker 2: to here in the year's past. I mean, yeah, Port Chatham,
Speaker 2: Port Chatham. It was with Adam Davies and the guy
Speaker 2: who put that uh event on. You know. Here's the
Speaker 2: thing when I was part of after even after the
Speaker 2: podcast interview that he flew me out there for IBY,
Speaker 2: he actually told me that, yeah, he wanted me to.
Speaker 2: He wanted to invite me and include me any new
Speaker 2: series or a new fielding project that included both him
Speaker 2: a couple other individuals. One he mentioned was I think
Speaker 2: Adam Davies was a part of it. Also Russell Accord,
Speaker 2: who is actually part of Yeah, Russell Cord, who was
Speaker 2: also part of the EXPI Big Show and the thing
Speaker 2: is it was up there and a part of what
Speaker 2: he wanted to do. It was actually in a part
Speaker 2: of Alaska where I needed to obtain or uh yeah,
Speaker 2: obtained a what do you call it a passport and
Speaker 2: uh which I had back during that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when going through Canada.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. He presented everything to me and I said, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I had here's the thing. I had the time approved
Speaker 2: off to take off with my employer at the time.
Speaker 3: But I just I don't know why ever happened of
Speaker 3: the whole thing is.
Speaker 2: Just because it would have cost me. It would have
Speaker 2: cost me so much money to obtain my passport, and
Speaker 2: I was like, unfortunately, I hated to do it, but
Speaker 2: I had it back out because he was going to film.
Speaker 2: He had a project involved that it would have been
Speaker 2: a ten day filming project in British Columbia, and and
Speaker 2: it sucked because I had it back out of it.
Speaker 2: I just, you know, I just wasn't into obtaining the
Speaker 2: funds to come up with a passport. I never have.
Speaker 3: I don't have a passport. You know, eventually we.
Speaker 1: Can cross from Washington into uh Canada with just your
Speaker 1: driver's license. Oh really, provided it's the driver's license with
Speaker 1: the r IF chip in it. Yeah. Oh see into
Speaker 1: British Columbia.
Speaker 2: That was Yeah, I see that. I know that would
Speaker 2: have been a story because I mean they made it
Speaker 2: sound like I needed a passport.
Speaker 1: And you do from any other states. I think there's
Speaker 1: five states. It's five border states that that that's applicable to, right,
Speaker 1: and you have to make the crossing black car you
Speaker 1: can't fly in Okay.
Speaker 2: See now I'm wondering if they would have flown me
Speaker 2: into Washington State and that we were letting them there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 2: I don't I.
Speaker 1: Don't know if it would work without a Washington driver's license.
Speaker 1: So right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I only have a Virginia I'm located in Virginia
Speaker 2: and I have a Virginia license driver's license.
Speaker 1: But I lived in Virginia back in nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 1: sixty two, sixty three, sixty four.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, what part of Virginia do you recall?
Speaker 1: I was in Virginia Beach for the first part in
Speaker 1: the last three years where at the Newport News.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, you see I'm in a good three
Speaker 2: four hours west.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've been. I've been all over it. But that's
Speaker 1: where I lived. Nine I was in the Navy. I
Speaker 1: went to Guide Missiles School at Damn Neck at Virginia
Speaker 1: Beach and then put the submarine and commission at Newport
Speaker 1: News Shipyard, absolutely and we left there sixty five, went
Speaker 1: to Charleston.
Speaker 2: So we're yep. So Tom, I'm just curious, what's your
Speaker 2: latest or the most recent big foot fighting or occurrence
Speaker 2: that you've ever experienced other.
Speaker 1: Than my teacher that I see fairly rarely. The last
Speaker 1: one was last year in camp with Barb and a
Speaker 1: little of one of our camps up near where she
Speaker 1: lives in Greenwater, Washington, which is about you know. It
Speaker 1: has a tavern and a store that's closed most of
Speaker 1: the time and a little gift shop and that's about
Speaker 1: side of the town. Not even any gas stations anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we were in camp near near there, it's probably
Speaker 1: eight ten miles from Greenwater, and I was sitting by
Speaker 1: the fire next to this stream, and the two people
Speaker 1: that had been I'd been sitting there talking with had
Speaker 1: something that they were going to do. So he got
Speaker 1: up and walked to the to my left, say, to
Speaker 1: the to the west from where I was. As soon
Speaker 1: as they passed this spot, a sasquatch comes out of
Speaker 1: that spot and walked back to the east where they
Speaker 1: were right in front of me, and on down the
Speaker 1: hill to the creek further down. Yeah, and just this
Speaker 1: year they had same type of sighting. Ashley Stinnett was
Speaker 1: walking down the road back to camp to the same
Speaker 1: spot where I was sitting. One of them walked right
Speaker 1: across the road in front of her.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They were sitting in camp talking and they found where
Speaker 1: they climbed up on the bank creek bank and were listening,
Speaker 1: like sitting there laying there actually on the ground listening
Speaker 1: to him. So, yeah, they're they're all around us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, I've you know, my, my, my, uh finding sasquatch
Speaker 1: regiment has become kind of the joke of the of
Speaker 1: the group because you know, I tell I take my
Speaker 1: folding chair, a cooler full of fried chicken, fried chicken
Speaker 1: hips and boiled eggs and dad PEPSI. I go out
Speaker 1: and open up my chair, sit down, open my kindle,
Speaker 1: start reading, grab a chicken hip and a boiled egg
Speaker 1: and dad pepsi and sit there wait till they come
Speaker 1: find me. And they will because they're curious they're a
Speaker 1: curious creature and they'll want to know why what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: They're sitting there by myself, and pretty quick you see
Speaker 1: him peeking around a tree at you, and I just
Speaker 1: start talking to him. Hey, they're big guy. I came
Speaker 1: to see you today. I hope, I hope you don't mind,
Speaker 1: you know. And then that all of get them coming
Speaker 1: out even more. Is usually youngsters the first ones to
Speaker 1: show up, generally teenagers. I mean, who gets in more
Speaker 1: trouble than any species than adolescent males. Absolutely, I agree,
Speaker 1: and that's what they do. They get curious and they
Speaker 1: got to see what's going on. But I have had
Speaker 1: an actually come out and just stand by me and yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to see the birth of twins in British Clubia.
Speaker 1: During our research time up there, my two partners, Brian
Speaker 1: Bland and Susan we did a five year study on glyphs.
Speaker 1: And when we started that back in twenty eleven, there
Speaker 1: was nobody talking about glyphs. Nobody knew about them, their
Speaker 1: structures and a little bit about structures, but not about glyphs.
Speaker 1: And we determined what they were. That they were actually
Speaker 1: the communications, it's actually their written language and Uh, we
Speaker 1: chronicled a bunch of them, and you know the ones
Speaker 1: we learned, we learned in Genaria. Uh and uh what
Speaker 1: the classes? You know, the identifications left cliffs that identified
Speaker 1: the individual and they made one for me, so they
Speaker 1: knew how to get a hold of me when they
Speaker 1: wanted it. I'll tell you a quick story on that.
Speaker 1: I was in BC and my Mike glyph was by
Speaker 1: a glyph that told me, told me something. I understood
Speaker 1: what it said. And oh, two three weeks later I
Speaker 1: was in Oregon, uh with a group of the old
Speaker 1: organ Bigfoot people, a lot of Williams group and uh,
Speaker 1: spent a weekend in camp with them. And we'd been
Speaker 1: out for the day wandering around, I can around doing stuff,
Speaker 1: got back to camp, sat down in my chair, looked
Speaker 1: down right between my feet because identical glyph.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there are marvelous a marvelous being. And anyway,
Speaker 1: I got to see the twins born, sitting with eighteen
Speaker 1: males asquatch watching the birth of twins. It was almost
Speaker 1: like a royal birth. Actually. Then in September of twenty three,
Speaker 1: I was invited back to Canada, back to b C
Speaker 1: by Brian. He was having a gathering there and wanted
Speaker 1: me to attend. And I went back up and the
Speaker 1: mother of the twins contacted me and wanted me to
Speaker 1: come to it, and she let me know where to go.
Speaker 1: I did, and she and the twins and her newest
Speaker 1: baby came out to see me, and I had the
Speaker 1: little and climbing on my legs. That was pretty darn
Speaker 1: cool too. That the twins are nine years old. Now
Speaker 1: that happened. I was They were born in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: January fifteenth, twenty fifteen, And yeah, pretty nice. But that's
Speaker 1: the rapport I have with them. And that's because for
Speaker 1: all of these years I've shooted him with nothing but respect. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in their home and I treated it that way.
Speaker 1: I asked them, I asked them if it's all right
Speaker 1: to take pictures. Okay, I'm not trying here to take
Speaker 1: pictures of you, but I want to take pictures as scenery.
Speaker 1: Is that all right? And then I'll get a and
Speaker 1: they appreciate that. You have to remember, they are a
Speaker 1: creature of respect. As long as they're respected, nobody will
Speaker 1: ever have a problem with any of them. Now, do
Speaker 1: they all love us?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: There are some that wish we'd just drop off the
Speaker 1: end of the earth and go away, but that's not
Speaker 1: going to happen, and they know it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: The last thing you ever want to do is talk
Speaker 1: about protecting them. They don't need protection. If anybody needs protection,
Speaker 1: we do from ourselves. Yeah, you look at their modus operendi,
Speaker 1: the way they live. They're not territorial. They do not
Speaker 1: create and defend the territory, all right. Number two, they
Speaker 1: mate monogamously, and they mate for life. Even if they're
Speaker 1: midlife and one of the mats dies, probably they won't remate. Okay.
Speaker 1: Number three, they understand spirituality and religion. They're spiritual, but
Speaker 1: they're not religious. If you take those items there out
Speaker 1: of our history, how many wars if we have avoided. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's the key. That's the key. There are very
Speaker 1: peaceful people. They will defend themselves and they will vigorously
Speaker 1: defend their family. But at they're treated with respect, there
Speaker 1: is no problem whatsoever. If you have to, I have
Speaker 1: to catch one out and the open don't pursue. Let
Speaker 1: him go away, say thank you for suing yourself to me,
Speaker 1: and have a wonderful day, and they will they will
Speaker 1: come back to you. I guarantee you they will come
Speaker 1: back to you if you learn to treat them with respect.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. Yes, the whole.
Speaker 1: World needs more respect. Yeah, I mean that's the one
Speaker 1: thing lacking in this world. Somebody asked in a post
Speaker 1: on Facebook one day, what's the difference between the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties and the twenty twenties as respect number one? Respect?
Speaker 1: And it really is. If you don't have respect, you
Speaker 1: don't have anything. It's so important. And if you extend
Speaker 1: that respect to everything, you'll notice your life improving a lot.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're going to go to a commercial real quick,
Speaker 2: but when we come back, I want to ask you
Speaker 2: about the very symbols and the structure that we come
Speaker 2: across in nature. What do you believe or meanings are?
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're going to go to a commercial real
Speaker 2: quick for the next three minutes, and let's talk about
Speaker 2: some of these structures and they may relate to what
Speaker 2: you're just talking about. When it comes to respect, we'll
Speaker 2: get to that very shortly. Let's go to a commercial
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Speaker 2: All right. Moving ahead in the month of March. March
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Speaker 2: All Right, jumping ahead into the month of June. Boy,
Speaker 2: do we have some awesome stuff going on in June. Again.
Speaker 2: I hope you're marking this down and I'll hope you
Speaker 2: prepare yourself to attend these events. June sixth, seventh, and
Speaker 2: eighth Happening in Marionville, Pennsylvania, the Forest County big Foot Festival.
Speaker 2: The event that's grown so huge it's unbelievable. You're going
Speaker 2: to want to attend this event. Over one hundred vendors,
Speaker 2: food trucks, and guest speakers. This event is something you
Speaker 2: want to attend. Not to mention if you'd like to
Speaker 2: go squatching. There is the Allegaty National State Forest nearby.
Speaker 2: You're going to want to check that forest out. Is
Speaker 2: very squatching. June twentieth and twenty first happening in Where's Ca,
Speaker 2: Virginia at the Where's Hay Community Center is the annual
Speaker 2: ECBRO Virginia Bigfoot Conference. Yes, it's right there, being held
Speaker 2: at the Community Center and Where's Hey, Virginia. Both indoor
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Speaker 3: Vendors, guest speakers for.
Speaker 2: An activity and contest for the kids.
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Speaker 3: been to this event.
Speaker 2: It's very fun.
Speaker 7: You get to meet up with other light minded people,
Speaker 7: get to go out and hang out with them in
Speaker 7: the evenings around the fire.
Speaker 2: If you're getting a special invite, you get to have
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Speaker 2: is not just in an event, it's like a family gathering.
Speaker 2: That's June twentieth and twenty first, so feel free to
Speaker 2: check that out and ladies and gentlemen. Happening in the
Speaker 2: month of June. Also June twenty sixth, twenty seventh, and
Speaker 2: twenty eighth happening in Sutton, West Virginia, is the annual
Speaker 2: Western Virginia Bigfoot Festival. Another massive, huge festival with over
Speaker 2: one hundred avengers, all kinds of activity and fun and
Speaker 2: contests for kids and people of all ages. Guest steikers, celebrities,
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Speaker 2: ninety eight at gmail dot com. Thank you, Hey, Yeah,
Speaker 2: We'll back with the ECBO Big for Radio with our
Speaker 2: guest Tom Contrel. Hey, Tom, thank you for being on
Speaker 2: here and sharing and knowledge you have been uh absolutely
Speaker 2: just before we went to commercial. You know, you were
Speaker 2: sharing some very interesting stuff. Uh. You know, one of
Speaker 2: the things that has been a big topic with a
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff I've talked about regardless on podcasts
Speaker 2: or improve my research and whatnot. I've come across a
Speaker 2: lot of wild stuff in nature, stuff that we can
Speaker 2: relate that we want to contribute to Bigfoot. But in
Speaker 2: your own honest, professional opinion from your observation over the years,
Speaker 2: tree structures such as anything that relates to what would
Speaker 2: appear to be exformations TV formations and maybe even possible
Speaker 2: shelter or things that appear to be sheltered, where would
Speaker 2: you stand on that? Do you believe those are possibly
Speaker 2: Bigfoot related structures? Because I can tell you there's a
Speaker 2: lot of that we come across here in Virginia.
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of those are what you'd call a crash.
Speaker 1: That's where the babies put while mom and dad are
Speaker 1: getting their food, gathering food. M okay, Especially the TPE
Speaker 1: structures and that type of a deal. That's the baby thing.
Speaker 1: Some of them, some of the larger ones are blinds
Speaker 1: surrounding and they use them very well. One will stay
Speaker 1: in there and another one or two or three will
Speaker 1: kind of just ease the animals along in that direction,
Speaker 1: and of course when they pass by there. You know
Speaker 1: how a white tailed deer is that they'll follow the
Speaker 1: same trail their whole life and what he grabs them.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what most of those are. Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 1: a crasious what I label most of that type of
Speaker 1: structure as I'm not seeing a lot of them. Are
Speaker 1: area in British Columbia. Very it's high elevation, the mountains
Speaker 1: around it. You know, they go to eleven twelve thousand feet,
Speaker 1: but we're down thirty feet above sea level. Okay, so
Speaker 1: wintertime the beings there all up in the mountains, but
Speaker 1: pardon me, summertime they come down with the with the
Speaker 1: animals because that's that's their feed. If you want to
Speaker 1: find sasquats, find where his feed is, okay, and they will.
Speaker 1: This area where our research area was in BC was
Speaker 1: their winter grounds, so there was a huge population in
Speaker 1: there at that time, and they would teach the youngsters
Speaker 1: how to make these structures. We'd go in there at night,
Speaker 1: and it was in a park, which was the funny
Speaker 1: part about it. We're gonna talk to the park rangers
Speaker 1: there and they said, yeah, you know, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be any structures built in the park. Everything's supposed
Speaker 1: to be natural. So they would tear them down, go
Speaker 1: back the next one, and they're all built back up again.
Speaker 1: So they gave up on that. Wow, as if they do.
Speaker 1: They were teaching the youngsters how to build those structures
Speaker 1: and what to do with them. But yes, the structures
Speaker 1: all have purpose. The glyphs are what really fascinated us.
Speaker 1: We only learned the direct what basically what it amounts to.
Speaker 1: If it's for you, you will know it immediately, okay,
Speaker 1: and you'll understand it. If it's not for you, you
Speaker 1: won't know because you don't know the context. Take take
Speaker 1: the simple word bow and tell me what it means.
Speaker 1: It can be a ribbon and a hair. It can
Speaker 1: be a bend at the waist. It can be the
Speaker 1: front end of a ship or some of the launch
Speaker 1: and errow with. If you don't know the context, you
Speaker 1: won't know anything. Okay, same thing here. If the glyph
Speaker 1: is for you, you don't know the context, so you
Speaker 1: have very little chance of ever translating it except you
Speaker 1: can tell what category it is. Is it a personal glyph?
Speaker 1: To identify the individual. Is it a glyph that says
Speaker 1: go this way, it's in our direction of glyph or
Speaker 1: some other type. There's several different categories that way. Some
Speaker 1: we know that we'd know the meaning of asterisk as
Speaker 1: a symbol of power, okay, And we have one that
Speaker 1: we were asked to dismantle because the population was getting
Speaker 1: too close to it. But it was a beautiful asterisk
Speaker 1: on the ground and the bottom piece of it was
Speaker 1: about eight maybe ten feet long, totally covered in moss.
Speaker 1: The middle piece a cross piece. First cross piece was
Speaker 1: a about half covered in moss. The top piece had
Speaker 1: no moss on it at all, and it was tied
Speaker 1: in the middle. I still have the It was a
Speaker 1: split maple with that was used to as a tie
Speaker 1: around the middle of it, and I still have that
Speaker 1: with I kept it. But what that was was an altar.
Speaker 1: It was meant it was the transition from the old
Speaker 1: to the new. The old was clear, totally covered with moss,
Speaker 1: then half covered and then bare the brand new. See
Speaker 1: and right when we got there, right across the middle
Speaker 1: of it was a set of fifteen inch tracks, which
Speaker 1: you know, pretty is pretty good evidence of.
Speaker 2: Who built it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, and they use sword ferns a lot in
Speaker 1: this area and they grow profusely there. And I had
Speaker 1: a friend long one time, I go ahead and pick
Speaker 1: one of those sword ferns for me, and he started
Speaker 1: to try to pick it, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: reach for his knife. Cut it as No, I didn't
Speaker 1: say cut it as pick it, because everyone you see
Speaker 1: around this structure has been picked, not cut. So that
Speaker 1: you just learned how much strength that takes to pick
Speaker 1: a sword fern because he couldn't do it. And so
Speaker 1: again evidence and who who created the structure to start with?
Speaker 1: Always look for extra evidence?
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, that's awesome. I mean some of these structures,
Speaker 2: do you believe that we shouldn't really interact with them?
Speaker 2: Or some of them? Some of the things we come across,
Speaker 2: should we stay away or because I stay away.
Speaker 1: If there's if I think that it's still being used. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I find out a lot with the with the
Speaker 1: crash type where the opening and you can see inside
Speaker 1: is big enough to crawl into. But I don't do that.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to leave my scent there.
Speaker 1: They're using that. There's a reason for that. It's theirs
Speaker 1: we're in their house. I wouldn't crawl them go to
Speaker 1: you know, to your house and crawl in your bed
Speaker 1: exactly right, you know, I wouldn't crawl them the kid's crib. No, No,
Speaker 1: that would be ghosts. So why do it to them?
Speaker 2: Right? That makes sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe they're more intelligent than we are. The
Speaker 1: fact they don't want to have anything to do with us.
Speaker 1: So it goes a long way to prove that that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, and this goes for anybody, even including myself, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. But what when you come across
Speaker 2: these verious insurance and structures informations, Uh, mainly what what
Speaker 2: fears and shelters? Uh? What evidence would we.
Speaker 3: Look for that we make asserted that they're still being used?
Speaker 1: Uh? Freshness of fresh in my area fresh? Uh, sword
Speaker 1: ferns in them? Okay, you can tell how old the
Speaker 1: sticks are because they'll straighten it up every time they
Speaker 1: use it, and just you know, you can you can
Speaker 1: tell how old how long it's been there roughly, I
Speaker 1: mean in general and right, you know, or on the
Speaker 1: side of mistake, you know, b be reasonable. It doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt us to leave it alone. Ah, where we might
Speaker 1: be hurting somebody else if we don't, right. So, I
Speaker 1: have no trouble leaving leaving stuff like that alone. I
Speaker 1: just I just have too much respect for them to
Speaker 1: go into their house and do things like that. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: And it has been that has been well repaid over
Speaker 1: the years, I guarantee you.
Speaker 2: Mhmm uh yeah. A couple of the things before we
Speaker 2: come to a close. Now, Tom, you're author of seven
Speaker 2: other books. For those who are listening, is there anything
Speaker 2: that you would like to direct them too that they
Speaker 2: should be aware of or that you want to encourage
Speaker 2: them to check out?
Speaker 1: Depends on where they are in their journey. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: books written for all aspects of that, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't understand this. But I write some novels too,
Speaker 1: and the novels contain a lot of information about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: All of that is totally true, but the stories a novel. Okay.
Speaker 1: The reason I do that is so the haters can't hate,
Speaker 1: and it frustrates the daylight's out of them, you know.
Speaker 1: And ghosts of Ruby Ridge, I told them, hey, I
Speaker 1: could have made that neo Nachi Colonel gay and he
Speaker 1: couldn't have done a thing about it. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: totally in charge there so and they can't do anything
Speaker 1: about it. But the information is there for people investigating
Speaker 1: Sasquatch to know. Okay, that's one thing. The other thing,
Speaker 1: I've got books at different about different aspects, and some
Speaker 1: of my most popular ones Sasquats are for a new
Speaker 1: Man and Sasquatch Face to Face are compilations of sightings
Speaker 1: of encounters and those are very very popular, especially the
Speaker 1: last one, Sashquatch Face to Face. That's why I'm doing
Speaker 1: another book of that genre with face to face encounters
Speaker 1: but more uh, more involved with the research methodology involved
Speaker 1: instead of a three page uh we ran into him
Speaker 1: on such and such a date, such and such time,
Speaker 1: as you know, this is you know this we we
Speaker 1: we have this group that we work and this is
Speaker 1: how we work. This is our logic. And that's that's
Speaker 1: the book that I'm working on right now, doesn't even
Speaker 1: have a title yet, but uh it's kid. It's going
Speaker 1: to be very very good. It should be out by
Speaker 1: spring and none. But I have again this personal books
Speaker 1: that tell personal stories and get a hold of me
Speaker 1: and ask me individually, tell me where you are, and
Speaker 1: I'll make a personal recommendation to you. I do that
Speaker 1: at conferences all the time. I go to conferences, sometimes
Speaker 1: often astley, when I'm not even a speaker, But I
Speaker 1: go because I want to be a resource for people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how I can sit there at my table
Speaker 1: and somebody will stop clear across the walkway from me.
Speaker 1: Are these things really real? Yeah, they're really real. Have
Speaker 1: you seen them? Yes, I've seen them. I've dealt with them. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what happened to me in such
Speaker 1: and such, And before you know it, they're right next
Speaker 1: to your table telling you all about the encounter they had.
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, I love that. I get that very.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that cool the way they do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's why. That's why I go to conferences. It's
Speaker 1: not for self aggrandizement or whatever. It's just because that's
Speaker 1: what I love to do, is help people with their situation.
Speaker 1: I was at you talked about Russell Acord. I was
Speaker 1: at his conference in Kennewick, Washington, first year he had it,
Speaker 1: I think I think the first year, because he had
Speaker 1: spent all this time I had a conference in the
Speaker 1: area of the year prior, and he spent all that
Speaker 1: time with me seeing how I did it, and I
Speaker 1: had breakfast with Bob Gimblin and I am very fortunate
Speaker 1: you could be able to call Bob one of my
Speaker 1: best friends in the world. The man is fantastic. If
Speaker 1: you don't know him and get to know him, he's
Speaker 1: out of this world. And Russell. I was at Russell's
Speaker 1: conference and I was speaking there, but I had a
Speaker 1: table and all of a sudden, I heard my name
Speaker 1: being yelled clear across the Amphitheator, Tom Tom, and just
Speaker 1: this girl was just running as hard as she can.
Speaker 1: And you know, my eyes opened and she just made
Speaker 1: a leap and grabbed me around the neck and was
Speaker 1: hugging me. You saved my life. You saved my life.
Speaker 1: And it was I was I was in shock. I
Speaker 1: really didn't know what was happening. It kind of ruined
Speaker 1: the mood when her husband followed a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but uh no, that's just Jo. Turned out she'd had
Speaker 1: an experience. She was from way up by a, Calgary, Canada, Alberta, Canada,
Speaker 1: and she had to come to this conference because she
Speaker 1: knew I was going to be there to tell me personally.
Speaker 1: She'd had an experience and it shook her up so
Speaker 1: bad she didn't know whether she was going to survive
Speaker 1: it or not. Her husband said that she was under
Speaker 1: care from it until she read in one of my
Speaker 1: books the same thing happened, and it was all right.
Speaker 1: I made it all right. She understood then, And I
Speaker 1: got to think that when you're treating of affecting people's
Speaker 1: lives like that, you'd better make sure what you're saying
Speaker 1: is absolutely right. You know, don't hate, don't hate. You know,
Speaker 1: not only that since nineteen fifty eight to twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: it'll be the end of the year. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's a long time, what sixty seven sixty eight years.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: If I were ever caught it'll lie, it would ruin
Speaker 1: that much, that many years of research, because once once
Speaker 1: a person is caught in one lie, it makes everything
Speaker 1: they say suspect, right, right, So you've got agree, you've
Speaker 1: got to maintain your professional integrity. If I say, if
Speaker 1: I'm talking about something controversial, I'll say, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and everybody's entitled to their own opinion, right, that's true. Okay,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, this is what it is, or it
Speaker 1: appears to be this. But no, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say it is unless I have good enough proof to
Speaker 1: say it is, And I wish everybody else would do
Speaker 1: the same thing. Unfortunately, AI is going to be.
Speaker 2: Terrible for us.
Speaker 1: But then photographs never have been proof anyway, because there's
Speaker 1: so much you can do to manipulate photographs. Uh there,
Speaker 1: a photograph is no better than the reputation of the
Speaker 1: person who presented it.
Speaker 2: Right Ever, I agree, and uh yeah, I've been in
Speaker 2: actually recent discussions with others uh on and off, you know,
Speaker 2: AI itself. Those who don't understand what AI is are
Speaker 2: official intelligence is both taking over you know, the reality
Speaker 2: of what we see on social media nowadays. I mean,
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to bigfoot or even other subjects.
Speaker 2: I mean AI video, is AI pictures, AI videos. I
Speaker 2: mean some of the some of these videos I've seen,
Speaker 2: for example, not even with bigfoot, cryptis AI videos. I
Speaker 2: mean that could look like a young model talking and
Speaker 2: performing or talking over presenting something just to get you
Speaker 2: lured in. I mean, they have done such a good job.
Speaker 2: I mean there's imperfections, and there's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff you can look at. If you know what you're
Speaker 2: looking for, you could identify AI from reality. But they've
Speaker 2: gotten so good. Shoot, sell the stuff that A lot
Speaker 2: of these fake bogus pages on social media will present
Speaker 2: AI images of these young female athletics, artists.
Speaker 3: Or models or whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks enticing, it looks good, but there's always
Speaker 2: an imperfection, and even if you can't identify it, stop
Speaker 2: believing everything you see on social media.
Speaker 1: But that you know people last, is that real. This
Speaker 1: is what difference would make if you are one, that's
Speaker 1: what you would see, right, Okay, The first thing I
Speaker 1: do is what we were talking about before, And remember
Speaker 1: one days check that ratio. Okay, if somebody is smart
Speaker 1: enough with their AI didn't know to do that, then
Speaker 1: you won't be able to tell. But most of the
Speaker 1: people aren't. They have no idea what it is, and
Speaker 1: it is taught in the Natomi one oh one in
Speaker 1: every university in the country.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, well, Tom, I really wish we could keep
Speaker 2: it on going right now, but I want to give
Speaker 2: you this opportunity for the listeners. Is there anything you
Speaker 2: want the listeners to know, because I definitely want to
Speaker 2: have you on again, But you know, I.
Speaker 1: Think we discussed that with the respect. Then please have
Speaker 1: respect even to like I say, even to taking pictures.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take some photographs now, Is that all right?
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't want to be them to
Speaker 1: stay hidden, then see what happens. Go from there. Just
Speaker 1: be respectful, treat the outdoors with great respect, and treat
Speaker 1: them with even more respect. Okay, you're going to find
Speaker 1: out in time and a short time, just how important
Speaker 1: they are to our survival. The first thing that my
Speaker 1: teacher taught me, I says, why are you contacting me?
Speaker 1: What is it that I need to say to do
Speaker 1: for you? He says, for the first time in the
Speaker 1: history of man, and this is back in September of
Speaker 1: twenty ten, he is for the first time in the
Speaker 1: history of man, man has the ability to destroy our
Speaker 1: world without firing a shot from his big guns. And
Speaker 1: I looked at us, How what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: We're destroying the sea we come from, He says. Your
Speaker 1: media makes a big deal out of cutting the tree
Speaker 1: and losing oxygen. That doesn't happen. If you cut a tree,
Speaker 1: grass grows, The tree grows back the oxygen unless you
Speaker 1: pave it, oxygen keeps being generated. Number one. Number two,
Speaker 1: trees only generate oxygen a few months of the year.
Speaker 1: Evergreen trees like three months a year. Number three, All
Speaker 1: the land masses only account for thirty percent of the
Speaker 1: oxygen we use. Seventy percent of it comes from photosynthesis
Speaker 1: in the oceans and by killing off the major predators.
Speaker 1: You know what happens if you take the teacher out
Speaker 1: of the out of the classroom, the kids go wild
Speaker 1: and they.
Speaker 2: Eat everything in sight, right, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Okay, When they do that, everything goes out of whack.
Speaker 1: When it goes out of whack, we lose eighty seventy
Speaker 1: to eighty percent of our oxygen. That's what they're worried about. Right,
Speaker 1: makes a big difference, doesn't.
Speaker 2: It, and our role they're still they've.
Speaker 1: Got a program on TV glorifying the roof in tuna fishing.
Speaker 1: And they don't know today if they stop fishing entirely
Speaker 1: for bluefish tuna, if they could survive, or if they'd
Speaker 1: been overfished to the point they would die out anyway,
Speaker 1: Yet they've got a TV show for glorifying it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the majors. We kill the sharks to take what their
Speaker 1: fins nothing else, or their cheet yeah, or their teeth. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all right, where's the respect in that?
Speaker 2: Exactly? It's sad, but that's very true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So please understand that and work from that
Speaker 1: aspect and learn respect in everything. I'm always available to talk.
Speaker 1: I told you my my website, my name dot com.
Speaker 1: You can get a hold of me through there. I've
Speaker 1: got a direct link to my email. You get a
Speaker 1: hold of me under my my on Facebook. I very
Speaker 1: cleverly disguise myself under my own name. Uh, somebody's aren't
Speaker 1: you worried about?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: What's something we'll do?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I don't care what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I maybe one years old. What are they going to
Speaker 1: do to me? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and exactly if I.
Speaker 1: Was fifty one wouldn't make any difference. I might be
Speaker 1: more prone to boots and tail. But but the point is,
Speaker 1: if I've got something to say, I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 1: And everyone knows that. I try to be beholding and
Speaker 1: fair to everybody. But I can't abide idiots. I'd never
Speaker 1: have learned that. But I want to thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me on. This has been an absolutely
Speaker 1: great time here.
Speaker 2: Oh my Gosha, I love having you on here. This
Speaker 2: has been awesome, and I wanted to bring something up
Speaker 2: to you because there's others I've interviewed and I'll I've
Speaker 2: known for some period of time, including those who are
Speaker 2: part of my research seme. You know, a couple of
Speaker 2: those who are involved with my research team, and you know,
Speaker 2: they have yet to have their own experiences, but they
Speaker 2: get out there, they're there, they camp with me, they
Speaker 2: explore and nature and uh. And some of these individuals
Speaker 2: like my grand friend, you know, a couple of good
Speaker 2: friends of mine, but one in particular. Uh. You know, again,
Speaker 2: they don't have big for experiences, but they have a
Speaker 2: lot of grounded knowledge on wildlife as well as I
Speaker 2: do over the years.
Speaker 8: But these individuals they're probably they're just you know, they're
Speaker 8: not much. They're a little younger than you, but you know,
Speaker 8: they're like, I have a lot of respect for.
Speaker 2: These individuals because you know, they're not out there to
Speaker 2: make things up when they're out there with me, because
Speaker 2: they're they're retired from law enforcement, they're retired from the military.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they see things and experience things, I
Speaker 2: know when if they ever see things without me, I'm
Speaker 2: going to trust them because of their background, you know,
Speaker 2: that's right, that's right, you know, and they're you know,
Speaker 2: I like to believe they're skeptics, but they're not skeptics
Speaker 2: because they believe in Bigfoot, but yet they just never
Speaker 2: experienced big pot like I have. Oh you have?
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I don't mind skeptics. I'd rather enjoy
Speaker 1: they keep you straight. Sue Brian's white.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: When we were doing our glyphs study, you know, she,
Speaker 1: you know, she was the greatest thing we had because
Speaker 1: Brian and I'd get excited over something. She said, Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: I understand they do this, but what makes you think
Speaker 1: they did this one?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Okay? Right back there. Then you have to go looking
Speaker 1: for that evidence we were talking about earlier. That for
Speaker 1: the evidence to make sure yes they did this one.
Speaker 1: And you know, she wasn't she wasn't negative, but she
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that we were positive, right, okay.
Speaker 1: And it helps so much. That's that's that's necessary. On
Speaker 1: my website also, I've got several essays there on Sasquatch,
Speaker 1: some just general essays. I talk about some of my
Speaker 1: time in the Navy and other things. And it's just
Speaker 1: you're welcome to browse it. Get a hold of me
Speaker 1: if you want to. If you have questions, don't hesitate.
Speaker 1: I'm always available. We'll always answer. If you had liked
Speaker 1: my books, they're available there and I'll sign them and
Speaker 1: ship them off to you as quick as I can
Speaker 1: get the post office. I have to ride my scooter
Speaker 1: down her back, so it's got to be a little
Speaker 1: warmer than it has been the last few days there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been pretty cool here on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: We're not we're I mean, we're bright, bright sunshine, but
Speaker 1: it's been.
Speaker 2: Cold and oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so but you know, I've got some books
Speaker 1: to take out tomorrow. Now I'm going to make a
Speaker 1: run tole the post office and it's about a half
Speaker 1: hour round trip for me in my little xcooter and
Speaker 1: it's fun to do, provided I don't get run over
Speaker 1: to crosswalk again like I did a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: I tell you what, Tom, I know, I know you're
Speaker 2: eighty one years old, you know, but you know't I'm
Speaker 2: going to throw it out there to you. I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be awesome if you can do it, which
Speaker 2: if you can't, I totally understand, and I get it.
Speaker 2: But you know, our group camp out. And you know,
Speaker 2: I host a group camp house every spring and every May,
Speaker 2: excuse me, every spring and every fall. Our next group
Speaker 2: pick camp out there I'm hosting. Actually it's right here
Speaker 2: in the state of Virginia. But I want to throw
Speaker 2: it out there again. I understand, you know, I know
Speaker 2: travel expenses, you know, especially right now, things are expensive
Speaker 2: to begin with, and because of your health, I get it.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm going to throw it out there regardless.
Speaker 2: But if you're able to, if you if you're if
Speaker 2: you wanted to or are able to do it, the
Speaker 2: invite is out there if you could come out. Our
Speaker 2: group camp out is happening in May, May eighteenth of
Speaker 2: the twenty fourth breaking in Virginia. It's primitive camping. But
Speaker 2: you know, we we have a good group that comes.
Speaker 3: Out with us. You know, my good friends and Melissa
Speaker 3: and David.
Speaker 2: Lester, you're retired law enforcement in military. They have their
Speaker 2: double double. They're basically double retired from the army in
Speaker 2: law enforcement here in Virginia.
Speaker 3: And uh, these are individuals, you know, they're just a little.
Speaker 2: Younger than you. You know, I think David is sixty
Speaker 2: five sixty six years old. His wife Melissa she's a
Speaker 2: little younger than him. Uh bless her heart. She's just
Speaker 2: been going through some uh surgery and everything for her cancer.
Speaker 2: But things are looking on the plus side off for
Speaker 2: her already. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, and I have
Speaker 2: others who associate with me, uh that are a part
Speaker 2: of my research sene directly here in Virginia. That's some
Speaker 2: of them have had big foot sightings and your experiences.
Speaker 1: Well, I wish I could do that. That would be
Speaker 1: so wonderful if I if I got down on the
Speaker 1: ground and the sleeping day, it'll take heavy equipment to
Speaker 1: give me back out.
Speaker 2: Oh, trust me, you know, I totally get that. You know,
Speaker 2: even though most of us can camp, I mean I
Speaker 2: can't camp. I have to use a a car. I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't sleep directly on the Great because I have
Speaker 2: a bad back at my knees are awful, you know
Speaker 2: what you mean.
Speaker 1: But uh, in August, I've got one of the fellows
Speaker 1: was bringing a trailer. That's what I'll be sleeping in. Okay,
Speaker 1: if I can get in it, I'll be.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. We had an older couple that came down
Speaker 2: camp from whether it was back in.
Speaker 3: October of the previous year, they came.
Speaker 2: Down from Pennsylvania and uh, yeah, they came down driving
Speaker 2: a pickup truck and they brought their they brought their
Speaker 2: small camper with them, which that's what they lived in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh and considering it worked on perfect because you know,
Speaker 2: they had you know, they had a generator hooked up
Speaker 2: to it because they had heat. Back when we came
Speaker 2: down in October, it was cold. We actually I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting that much cold temperance, but we had like we
Speaker 2: were getting down at the low twenties, teens and whatever,
Speaker 2: and uh, but yeah, they came, they came prepared. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the rest of us were ten camping and had whatever
Speaker 2: we had to keep it warm. But I mean, my
Speaker 2: my tent I had, you know, cause I guess a
Speaker 2: good sleeping bag. I have sleeping bags that made for
Speaker 2: their vehicled weather, all the good stuff.
Speaker 1: I used to have all of that. I had a
Speaker 1: great tent and I had a I had a air mattress.
Speaker 1: It was about sixteen inches high. Sue called that my
Speaker 1: princess mattress. So I wouldn't do it, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't. I mean I could go on for
Speaker 1: hours talking about our experiences in camp.
Speaker 2: And oh for sure great people. And that's another reason
Speaker 2: why I want to have you on here. You know,
Speaker 2: I do I do uh round table discussions where I
Speaker 2: have like a couple of my research members and you
Speaker 2: know a couple others, uh where we're getting to talk
Speaker 2: about everything in between bigfoot and camp house and and
Speaker 2: you know, thoughts and theories, you know, or even if
Speaker 2: showing sharing experiences along the way.
Speaker 3: But we love to have a good time.
Speaker 2: It's you know, I feel like it's important for us
Speaker 2: to share and compare stories or experiences and all the
Speaker 2: good stuff. You know.
Speaker 1: We didn't even get into with the heating they've done
Speaker 1: on me. What's that If we didn't even certain touch
Speaker 1: scratch the surface on the heating they've done on me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't here today if it went for them.
Speaker 2: Well next time, Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a feeder for next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely want to get you on here soon again,
Speaker 2: because like I said, I'm not always interviewed eyewitnesses eyewitnesses,
Speaker 2: but yeah, like I said, I get others who've been
Speaker 2: on here with the past. I actually the one one
Speaker 2: of the individual I was just talking about my friend David,
Speaker 2: who him and his wife.
Speaker 3: They're both military and law enforcement diary.
Speaker 2: And uh, his wife Melissa just survived some surgery through
Speaker 2: her cancer. I tell you what, I think, you would
Speaker 2: love them. You would really get along with them. Uh. Again,
Speaker 2: these individuals don't have big Foot experiences, although during one
Speaker 2: a couple of campouts ago, Melissa shared an experience that
Speaker 2: she had right behind her campsite.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: David never heard it, he said he was sound asleep.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she shared a story with me, which I
Speaker 2: believe I know what she heard because I've had that
Speaker 2: same experience with the same vocals, you know, a few
Speaker 2: years prior to that, just up just up the road
Speaker 2: from this ticular location where we can't do at that time.
Speaker 2: But I know what's in that research here. I know
Speaker 2: it's in there. And that's another thing making this a
Speaker 2: long story short. The East Coast is highly underestimated. You know,
Speaker 2: everybody hears about the Bigfoot reports and the stories and
Speaker 2: the history over the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3: But I could promise you we had them here on
Speaker 3: the East Coast.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'd been there.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 1: You're preaching the choire there.
Speaker 2: It's just and the thing is not many people. It
Speaker 2: took a while for a lot of people to come forward.
Speaker 2: You know, you got the Appalachian Trail, you got all
Speaker 2: these mountain folks out here, and I don't know why
Speaker 2: they kept quiet for so many years, but people over
Speaker 2: the years, they got more comfortable because the subject has
Speaker 2: become less tabooed to them, you know, and it's been
Speaker 2: more open to the public, and so people have come forward.
Speaker 2: Even with me. I've had people share stories, uh, mothers
Speaker 2: and daughters driving up in the mountain range, you know.
Speaker 2: And I've had people reach out to me once they
Speaker 2: learn about who I am, and then they felt comfortable
Speaker 2: enough to, hey, well let me tell you what I saw,
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm not no one here to judge anybody.
Speaker 2: I'm not here to judge about I want to hear
Speaker 2: your stories, regardless if you're lying or not. But you know,
Speaker 2: we want people to come forward because I think the
Speaker 2: more and more people come forward, the more information we learned.
Speaker 2: It adds pieces to the mysterious puzzle of the whole phenomenon,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I've learned about people to watch body language.
Speaker 1: I can pretty much tell when somebody trying to pull them.
Speaker 2: A light exactly. Yeah, what's interesting. Right before we did
Speaker 2: this podcast and the recording tonight, I had this phone call,
Speaker 2: which I normally don't answer phone calls that I don't
Speaker 2: recognize the number two, but I answer this phone call
Speaker 2: from LL phone. I said, Hello, how you doing, Daniel
Speaker 2: speaker and this young guy I can tell her he
Speaker 2: sounded kind of young, and he started talking to me.
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, is this Daniel Bin I said, yes, yes, speaking.
Speaker 3: How can I help you?
Speaker 2: He said, I'm so and so blah blah blah. I
Speaker 2: came across your number online, probably my website because I
Speaker 2: don't post it, probably everywhere. So he came across my website,
Speaker 2: which I had a similar website like you do. Mine
Speaker 2: ecbureau founder dot com is my personal website, and I
Speaker 2: do put my number on there and I share you know.
Speaker 3: Of course, the first section on the website.
Speaker 2: Is my bio and who I am, what I've been through,
Speaker 2: my experience, so forth. So I was on this short
Speaker 2: discussion for maybe about five to ten minutes, and this
Speaker 2: guy wanted to hear. He wasn't a bit put I
Speaker 2: witnessed himself, but at the same time he was like
Speaker 2: somebody he wanted to hear stories and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I got my own story. I got a couple of
Speaker 2: different stories, but you know, I don't. I said, my
Speaker 2: story has been told numerous times over on various podcasts
Speaker 2: as I've been a guest, you know. But I told him,
Speaker 2: I said, well, I'm getting ready to start a podcast
Speaker 2: right now, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he seemed pretty cool.
Speaker 1: You know, but it's uh.
Speaker 2: I mean I get that every time every now and then,
Speaker 2: because I do. I have cards I put out with
Speaker 2: my information on blah blah blah, with my website and
Speaker 2: my email because I've learned and reports locally over the
Speaker 2: years that way. But this individuals came across my website
Speaker 2: and because he's like yeah, and he said, I said,
Speaker 2: where are you located? He said, I'm up in Canada.
Speaker 3: Of course. The phone number, the phone number, I want
Speaker 3: to looking at my phone.
Speaker 2: It uh, it confirmed that because I said Ontario, okay.
Speaker 2: But I was like, yeah, at the times, I'm getting
Speaker 2: ready to start my podcast and blah blah blah, I'm busy.
Speaker 2: I just put my grandson in the bed, you know,
Speaker 2: I said, I don't have much time to really talk,
Speaker 2: but I was trying to gather as much information and
Speaker 2: feel this guy out, you know. I was like, it's
Speaker 2: not often I get these rare random phone.
Speaker 1: Call you know.
Speaker 2: So, and usually when I get phone calls, I tend
Speaker 2: not to answer them because some even thoads that appear
Speaker 2: to be local phone calls, most of the time they
Speaker 2: end up being these random foreign telemark something else that
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 5: The capability of calling your number and looking local, So
Speaker 5: most of the time I'll let it go to voicemail,
Speaker 5: or if if it is important that they're legit, they
Speaker 5: will even voicemail, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I just thought it was interesting that
Speaker 2: the young guy wanted to your stories. He was a skeptic, well,
Speaker 2: he said he wasn't really skeptic, because he gave you
Speaker 2: a quick background on him. He said, look, I used
Speaker 2: to call and be a hoaxer or give the people
Speaker 2: a hard time. But he said, I listened to this
Speaker 2: one guy's phone call and his story some years ago.
Speaker 2: It made me start to think otherwise, you know, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get that, you know, but even at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, this guy wants to try to call
Speaker 2: me again tomorrow night, and as long as I'm not
Speaker 2: busy whatever. Yeah, I'll talk to you and I could listen.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's uh, like I've told other people
Speaker 2: with every story and claimed us out there, we got
Speaker 2: to take it as a grain of sell that's right,
Speaker 2: better right, If this guy wants to hear my story,
Speaker 2: I was trying to convince it. I said, Look, I've
Speaker 2: said I've shared my story so many times over the
Speaker 2: years on podcasts. I could directly to the podcast, you know,
Speaker 2: and listen to it. But you know, I like, if
Speaker 2: you really want to talk to me, I'll I'll be
Speaker 2: willing to talk to you, you know. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, in the back of my head, I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are legit and really wants
Speaker 2: to hear a story. I mean, I have no problem
Speaker 2: telling the story. But if he's out there together information
Speaker 2: to make jokes about people, I mean, I don't know me,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm the type of person like I
Speaker 2: got to really feel this person out, Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: If they are calling from the Ontario.
Speaker 2: I didn't recognize a coach till I start on my phone.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, they really are called from Canada, So.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, not likely to do that
Speaker 1: on the hopes.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. So I was like, this guy's like really
Speaker 2: wants to hear stories. I was like, I mean, my
Speaker 2: story is is pretty cool, but I don't take it
Speaker 2: as exciting as everybody else I'll listening to, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish I had more detail to sharing
Speaker 2: my in my my situation, but you know, like I
Speaker 2: even told him that my story is not that really exciting.
Speaker 2: But I know what it saw. You know, there's no
Speaker 2: time because I had five other witnesses with me, you know,
Speaker 2: and then plus other experiences in the fourth that I've
Speaker 2: been counted and experienced. But there's only one physical uh
Speaker 2: sighting that I've ever really experienced, and that was in
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. But you know, but I can tell you
Speaker 2: what I what I know. That's about it. If you
Speaker 2: want to believe it and not believe it, that's up
Speaker 2: to you. That's how That's how I look at it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but uh, let's see what time. What time
Speaker 2: is probably about seven thirty out.
Speaker 1: Your way in Yeah, yeah, it's just coming on to bedtime.
Speaker 2: Here, Okay, yeah, it's ten thirty four over here. I
Speaker 2: just looked up my phone.
Speaker 1: I hit about eight o'clock and read for a couple hours.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, well very good reading.
Speaker 2: Yeah. After I do what I do and need, and
Speaker 2: I tend to watch a little TV if I'm in
Speaker 2: the mood for watch TV. Depends on what I have recorded,
Speaker 2: like I watched Like last night, for example, I had
Speaker 2: this Are you familiar with who Jack Jack Osborne is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know the name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the son of Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah, and well
Speaker 2: he has he's had his own show for quite a
Speaker 2: while now. And I had this one thing recorded last
Speaker 2: night and I said, you know, I got to check
Speaker 2: this out because it was it was called Jack Osborne's
Speaker 2: Night of Terror. It was his big footed condition and
Speaker 2: his buddy also know I never use not that I
Speaker 2: watched it, but I know who he was. He was
Speaker 2: his buddy. Ja Jay excuse me, was the actor from
Speaker 2: you know Jay in the Silent Bob's Adventure whatever it's
Speaker 2: called back in the eighties or nineties, early nineties. Well
Speaker 2: it's okay. Jay was his co host or his partner
Speaker 2: on the show. You know, when they actually went and
Speaker 2: investigated some hotspots out in the state of Idaho. You know. Uh,
Speaker 2: they've even witnessed, you know, they met up with somebody
Speaker 2: witnesses and uh, doctor Mariah Maria whatever her name is
Speaker 2: from the show Expedition. Yeah, she met up with them.
Speaker 2: That was on part of the show. And but I
Speaker 2: was just curious to see how the show goes, you know,
Speaker 2: and I really loved it. I really appreciate it because
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't all I mean, it was serious.
Speaker 2: Everything they did was serious, but you know, of course,
Speaker 2: being who they were, you know, they had they added
Speaker 2: some humor to it, which was great because you know,
Speaker 2: most of the documentaries of shows we see based off
Speaker 2: the victim and investigations, everybody said, well, uptight and serious
Speaker 2: on everything, right, But at the same time, they were
Speaker 2: taking their what they would do when serious, even when
Speaker 2: they were invested in ating out in the woods.
Speaker 3: In the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: And but I have to say, I have to admit
Speaker 2: that what I watched last night from Jay Osborne, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: Jay Osborne's show. I was very impressed with that. Man.
Speaker 3: This is actually only been watching extras.
Speaker 2: And Big Book because these guys they were, you know,
Speaker 2: they were being themselves. But yet what was experienced was
Speaker 2: what they heard, and you know, they produced some audio
Speaker 2: recordings and because most of the shows that we watched
Speaker 2: on an old planet, uh whatever, it's all entertaining. I mean,
Speaker 2: even though I love watching those shows just like everybody
Speaker 2: else does. But people got to come to realize that
Speaker 2: it's all part of right, it's all part of the
Speaker 2: entertainment industry. They're gonna do what. Yeah, they're gonna do
Speaker 2: what's necessary to keep the viewers watching. People don't understand
Speaker 2: that stuff. Even I have to remember that sometimes because
Speaker 2: I get drawn into the stuff. You know, some of
Speaker 2: the stuff pretty legit. But whatever they're.
Speaker 1: Gonna I tell people, the number one reason for every
Speaker 1: minute of television is to sell advertising and nothing else.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to call it off here now and
Speaker 1: bid you good night.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, all right, thank.
Speaker 1: You so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh I can't thank you enough so much for being
Speaker 2: here tonight and talk with me tonight. Send me a
Speaker 2: link when this is up, so I oh, oh absolutely
Speaker 2: it's gonna say yeah, I'll have it up later tonight.
Speaker 2: If you don't. If you don't see it tonight, yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll see it, uh in the morning when you wake up.
Speaker 2: But I definitely got to have you back on here
Speaker 2: with a couple others, you know, joing to one of
Speaker 2: my open discussions on big foy.
Speaker 3: We get it talking about a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it gets into conspiracy theory, sometimes it gets on
Speaker 2: is random, but we have a good time regardless.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, good night, and thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Absolutely you have a good night, Tom, and thank you
Speaker 2: again for being here.
Speaker 1: You bet you Bye bye now.
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Speaker 2: Happening in the month of June. Also June twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: twenty seventh, and twenty eight happening in Sutton, West Virginia
Speaker 2: is the annual Western Virginia you have Bigfoot Festival. Another massive,
Speaker 2: huge festival with over one hundred of vendors, all kinds
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Speaker 2: I hope you mark your calendars because those dates are
Speaker 2: very special. And if you have never attended any Bigfoot
Speaker 2: festival or event or conference, you don't know what you're
Speaker 2: missing because you know these events. When you attend these
Speaker 2: events and you get to meet, like mind an individual
Speaker 2: regardless of their celebrities or not or TV personalities.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people that attend.
Speaker 2: These events, they have stories. You know, a lot of
Speaker 2: people that attend these events are locals that you would
Speaker 2: clearly underestimate. But I'm telling you don't answer. Don't underestimate
Speaker 2: anybody that's coming to attendees events because there's people that
Speaker 2: know a lot more than our TV personalities. I mean,
Speaker 2: these events are for those who have experiences and you know,
Speaker 2: for those who like me Daniel Benoit, who is a
Speaker 2: Bigfoot researcher. I take notes and I document a lot
Speaker 2: of these reports. And that's why attending these events, you
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Speaker 2: these people. So ladies and gentlemen don't ever under us
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Speaker 2: I'm promoting these events because these events and not just
Speaker 2: because of friends I know or those who are putting
Speaker 2: on these events. These are events that we welcome everybody
Speaker 2: to come share their stories and their encounters. We'll learn
Speaker 2: more from others because as a Bigfoot researcher who's been
Speaker 2: involved with us for over fifteen years. Yes, I'm featured
Speaker 2: in several different documentaries. I've never been on a TV show. Well, actually,
Speaker 2: I take that back. Yes, I have Bigfoot Today recorded
Speaker 2: out and spoke in Washington over back in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. I was honored to be flown out
Speaker 2: to Washington Estate to be a part of that TV show.
Speaker 2: But anyway, apart from that, I've been featured in several
Speaker 2: different Bigfoot documentaries based off of my encounters night experiences.
Speaker 2: So ladies, gentlemen, that does not make me a celebrity.
Speaker 2: But you know what, someone who's been out there and
Speaker 2: that's not afraid to put themselves out there. You know,
Speaker 2: I have many experiences over the years. I've done a
Speaker 2: lot of research both in and out of the field.
Speaker 2: I encourage you to come check this out, learn from
Speaker 2: those who've studied. You know, not every celebrity out there
Speaker 2: is out there put the name out there just to
Speaker 2: get It's not a popularity contest. I can tell you
Speaker 2: that it's not a popularity contest. But there's some of
Speaker 2: us out there that have done so much research and
Speaker 2: studies both in and out of the field where we
Speaker 2: put ourselves out there. It's such as myself to spread awareness.
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Speaker 2: also observations. So with that being said, ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 2: happens every June in the state of Virginia. So, ladies
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Speaker 2: next time. This is Daniel bin Waugh, founder of the
Speaker 2: ECBRO Wildlife and Bigfoot researcher. To the next time,