WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:08.240 You're putting we got some want or nothing out here. 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:11.919 I can't go, but I know I did my better. 3 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:13.160 Light came on and I did that. 4 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:15.560 But they left and they did thing running across the 5 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:17.719 yard A good sight, mayhap or. 6 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:18.640 Nothing I look like to me. 7 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.320 I don't know what it was across the yard. 8 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:23.760 It seems to be a big foot leaning against a 9 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:25.120 tree in a wood an area. 10 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.399 I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but 11 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:29.239 not big. 12 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:30.320 Foot tree lines and rush. 13 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:32.759 He sees about seven and seven and a half foot 14 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:35.560 tall sasquatch looking back at him. 15 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.520 And that kind of looks like a wolf, but not 16 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:39.840 like a neighborhood dog. Pick these stories for what they 17 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.600 are and hopes that maybe if it's out there, then 18 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.000 show me yeah, and says he might have caught the 19 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:50.520 mythical Cuba cabra creature terrorizing his chickens like a grunt 20 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:51.039 and a knock. 21 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:52.520 It's like a oh. 22 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.200 I think there's kind of a cultural tendency for people 23 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.320 to want to make big Foot a quote unquote monster. 24 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:09.359 Welcome to you see Bigfoot Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 25 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:12.519 back to another episode of ECBR Bigfoot Radio. I'm your 26 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:17.040 host Ganga binoa and I'm gonna tell you these shows 27 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.799 keep getting better and better. Tonight, we have a very 28 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.799 special guest with us, a very long time seasoned bigfoot 29 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:28.480 researcher and a Bigfoot experience there as well. Uh. This individual, 30 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.719 we're gonna get into talking a lot. Well for those 31 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.319 who don't know him, we'll learn a lot about him. 32 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.599 I will tell you he's an offer. Uh. 33 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:37.680 He has witnessed Bigfoot himself. 34 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:39.359 We're gonna learn a little bit about that as well. 35 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:45.400 And ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Tom Kittroll And it's 36 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:47.760 awesome to have him here. Tom, how are you doing? 37 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.120 First of all, thank you for being here. This is 38 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:51.840 a blessing to have you here. 39 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.920 It'swer my honor and my pleasure to be here. I 40 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.920 look forward to this since you asked me. And yeah, 41 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.719 it's uh, We've got a lot to talk about tonight. 42 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.599 I've been absolute years doing this, so I do have 43 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:07.959 some experience with it. 44 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.719 Absolutely, you know. You know, for people that hear the 45 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.680 number sixty five years, you know, for some people that 46 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:18.360 may not be long, but to me, considered my age, 47 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.360 I'm only forty four. I'll be forty five this year, 48 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.400 so sixty five. There is a big number for me, 49 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.840 you know. So, uh this is awesome, you know because 50 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.719 people like you that have been involved with the research 51 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.280 and you know that's whatever that has dived into this 52 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.840 for as long as you have. I think it's very 53 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.039 important that the listeners should really pay attention to what's 54 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.800 going to be said. You know. So I want to 55 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:50.120 start off with kind of a background, kind of fill 56 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.439 everybody in on what you got involved with. 57 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.400 You know, well, what got you involved in this? I 58 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:54.919 know it was. 59 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:57.840 It wasn't till the h from what I re call 60 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.280 from what you shared with me. Uh so what I 61 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:03.639 read on your website nineteen fifty eight was kind of 62 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:07.360 a starting point for you. But yeah, if you want 63 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:08.840 to kind of fill us in and kind to give 64 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:11.759 us a background on that, I'd like to hear that. 65 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:17.120 In August of nineteen fifty eight, there was a road 66 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.000 crew of roads building crew in northern California at in 67 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:25.080 the Sixth River National Forest, and they came to work. 68 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:28.240 They were working with called out of camp where they 69 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.439 would stay in camp all week and then go home 70 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.400 on the weekends. And they returned to work on Monday morning, 71 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:39.759 and one fellow got to his cat that was warmed 72 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.840 up and looked there were a set of fifteen minutes tracks. 73 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.080 It came down off the very steep hill like seventy 74 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:56.680 grade and down up the road around his cat, and 75 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.000 then on up around another one, and then went up 76 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:04.080 and then disappeared into the canyon. The fellow's name was 77 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:11.479 Jerry Crew. In October of that year his story hit 78 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:17.120 the newspaper. He happened to go to towny Eureka to 79 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:22.079 show a friend he had cast of the footprints. Because 80 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.319 of the being kept coming back. It wasn't a one 81 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.519 time thing. Every two to three days there'd be there'd 82 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:32.240 be more more tracks there. Then it picked up a 83 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.839 fuel barrel, slung it down into the canyon, did the 84 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:39.360 same thing with a twenty foot section of two feet 85 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.279 the culbert and you know that's almost three hundred pounds 86 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.879 of culbert. Threw it down in the canyon like it 87 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:52.000 was a tinker toy. And he went to Eureka he 88 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:56.079 was going to show a friend of his foot print cast, 89 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.240 and the newspaper editor there Androgen's only heard he was 90 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:05.720 in town, did an interview with him for the for 91 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:10.680 the Humboldt Times newspaper in Eureka, and that was picked 92 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.879 up by the wire services and I lived about three 93 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:18.639 hundred miles south of there, and my father showed it 94 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.560 to me. What do you think about this? He said, 95 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:27.199 he was My dad was an interesting person. He had 96 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:31.160 a way of instilling curiosity in me. And he saw 97 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.720 that article. He came to me and I was fifteen 98 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.319 years old at the time, and he said, what do 99 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:40.000 you think about this? And I read the article. You know, 100 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.720 it's nothing I've ever heard of, But we knew that area. 101 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:50.319 We had friends who lived in Humboldt County, and so 102 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.720 we knew that area pretty well, and it kind of 103 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.959 hit home with us. So then I started studying more 104 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:03.199 and more about it. And a paleontologist, actually the premiere 105 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:07.879 most noted paleontologists in the world at that time, doctor 106 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:14.360 Ivan Sanderson, Oh yeah, came to investigate it. And Ivan 107 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.519 Sanderson wrote, has written, had written at that time like 108 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.519 thirteen books on mammals of the world that were the 109 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:27.040 standard for teaching around the world. So when he wrote, 110 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:32.240 I listened, and his articles appeared in True magazine and 111 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:36.399 in an argacy magazine. Now you have to remember nineteen 112 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:41.839 fifty eight, we didn't have internet. Telephone was a party 113 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.199 line system, so he didn't spend a lot of time 114 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:48.160 even on the phone, and long distance calls were very, 115 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:52.279 very expensive. So magazines were our internet at the time. 116 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:57.279 That's where stories were disseminated and told and retold. And 117 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:02.519 those two were Men's magazines, True Men Magazine and Argacy Magazine, 118 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:09.920 and they ran stories for his report on it, and 119 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:15.639 he was quite clear that this was a new species. Okay, 120 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:21.120 of course. Then shortly after that uh Tom Slick expeditions 121 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:26.439 in the same area went on until uh Tom was 122 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.480 killed in the plane wreck, unfortunately, and funding dried up 123 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.560 for for the for them. But that's brought forth people 124 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:40.040 like Bob Titmas and uh he uh he'd spent a 125 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:45.079 lot of time investigating. They also brought forth John Green 126 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.480 out of Canada, uh Renade de Hinden out of Canada, 127 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:57.480 And unfortunately it also brought Peter Burn But as soon 128 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.240 as Peter Byrn showed up on the Canadians lap. But 129 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.360 then in nineteen sixty seven, of course we all know 130 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:13.319 Roger and Bob's story. And there again irrefutable proof if 131 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:19.319 you look with logic at what's going on there. I 132 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:26.279 was with doctor melderm just last November in Ocean George 133 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:31.000 Washington at the Sasquat's Summit, and he did a magnificent 134 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:40.440 presentation on the Patterson Gimlin film, speaking as a palaeontologist, 135 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:46.080 as an anatomist, and how that could not possibly be faked. 136 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:54.279 The ratios, and there's something called intermemberyle in dates. It's 137 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:59.720 present in all primates, and basically it's a ratio of 138 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:03.600 your arm link to your leg. Late in humans, that's 139 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:08.679 seventy two. Now, I'm not saying everybody in the world 140 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:12.000 will have a seventy two I am I, but I'm 141 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.279 saying that's the center point on the bell curve, and 142 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:19.440 of course there will be those variations. Ninety eight percent 143 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:23.320 will be within two standard deviations of the of the 144 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:32.759 center line. Okay, he used that. And if you look 145 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:36.399 at Patty in that film, measure the length of her 146 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.799 arm and the length of her leg. Her intermemberle index 147 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:49.159 is eighty four. Measure the intermemberle index on any good 148 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:54.879 photograph of sasquatch and you can tell right away whether 149 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:04.440 it's real or it's not. Okay. Memorial Day footage eighty 150 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:12.080 four fourth of July Independence Day footage eighty four, the 151 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:17.480 Marble Mountain footage eighty four, Paul Freeman's video eighty four 152 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:26.360 mm hmm. Okay, that's the I am I of Sasquatch. 153 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:36.759 That alone is scientific, measurable, reproducible proof of the existence 154 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:43.399 of sasquatch number one and the veracity of that film 155 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:49.399 number two. Okay, you you don't have to go a 156 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.000 bit further. You've got total proof now. 157 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.879 Absolutely not to cut you off, but I do want 158 00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:00.679 to add that. Back in twenty twenty two, for the 159 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.240 first time ever, I've actually had the privilege of sitting 160 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:10.240 in on doctor Jeffy Meldrum's presentation that occurred over in 161 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:14.480 West Virginia at the West Virginia big Foot Festival. 162 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.919 And it was the day before the festival. 163 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.600 We had a banquet where he actually did a presentation 164 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:25.240 after everyone sat in eate and and he did a 165 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:30.720 very interesting illustration that point you know, that was basically 166 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:34.120 the whole presentation, a majority of it. Anyway. It was 167 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:38.399 surrounded or pointing towards the Patterson footage and the image 168 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.919 that was captured and recorded from the nineteen sixty seventh film. 169 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.559 And yeah, he added some humor in there, but the 170 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:51.159 illustrations he used were like, I mean, I don't know 171 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.200 how how it's the best way to put it, but 172 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.679 it was like right on point. Basically, he had an 173 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.919 illustration of a human being all that had some weight 174 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.000 the individual in his presentation on the illustration to use 175 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.200 with somebody that had some you know, I wouldn't say 176 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.480 not just muscular, but they have some you know, they 177 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.639 had a little bit of extra weight to them. But 178 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:19.480 he put a comparison beside the paddy image and was showing, like, 179 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.559 you know, in the Pattiston footage people some some rare people. 180 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.159 Some people have stated to oh, look down the back, 181 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:28.080 that's like that's the zipper line to the costume. No, 182 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:32.600 look at the comparison to the illustration of the person that's, 183 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.879 you know, wearing his shorts pushing pushing the lawnmower. That's 184 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.000 kind of got a little extra weight and muscle attitude. 185 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.559 There was such an identical illustration. I mean, the illustration 186 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.360 was like spoke for herself. It was like, but ever 187 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.639 since I've learned of the patis of footage, and then 188 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:55.480 later on seeing the what scientists put into it, they 189 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.879 can they cannot debunk it as being something fake. 190 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:01.000 Because there's so much evidence that what's at you know. 191 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.759 Every time they every time they try, they just. 192 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:10.440 Prove it more exactly exactly. And Jeff Meldrum, he did 193 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:14.000 an excellent job on that because you know, I'll never forget. 194 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:16.279 Like I said, I've spoke to him. I met him 195 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.759 back in twenty seventeen briefently at the Ohio Big for Commerce, 196 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.200 but again just a few years ago in West Virginia, 197 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.159 which is only about three and a half hours for me, 198 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.840 where he does his presentation. I had the privilege of 199 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.039 sitting in on two different presentations at the banquet and 200 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.399 then the next day actually during the festival sub where 201 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:41.039 he presented it again. And you know, for anyone who 202 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.919 understands and knows Jeff Meldrum and his expertise in his field. 203 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.559 Should have a lot of great respect. 204 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.840 For what he does and how he examined the studies. Yeah, 205 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.600 so that there, to me, with what I've seen from 206 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.480 him and what he presented, just adds more and more 207 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:03.440 credibility to that footage. You know, I'm very impressive with 208 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:05.519 what he does. But he's good at what he does. 209 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.120 I mean, I mean he's been doing that for many years. 210 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:11.200 The man is sixty five sixty six years old, and 211 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.840 that's his expertise in that field is examining. You know, 212 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.519 he's an anthropologist, so we understand what that stands for. 213 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.720 You know, he studied the mot motive, you know, you know, 214 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:27.639 the the gateways of humans and primates. Right, so, but yeah, 215 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.919 he is on point with his presentation. If no one's 216 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.600 ever if and from the listener, I got to throw 217 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:38.639 this out there. If anyone's never understood what anthropology is, 218 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.240 or who's never actually even set in on a presentation 219 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.720 on how doctor Jeff Belgium presents what he does present 220 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.639 you need to take the time to really sit in 221 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.039 and watch and pay attention to listen to details. You know, 222 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.080 the one thing I've respect about him, I don't care 223 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:57.519 if you're a scientist or you're just your average joe 224 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:00.159 out in this world. He will present to you the 225 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.600 way everybody should be able to understand what he's presenting. 226 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.919 You know, he won't talk down on you, but he 227 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.879 will present things in a way that will make you wow. 228 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.120 It'll blow your mind, you know what I mean. I 229 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.480 don't see how anyone can misunderstood what he's presenting. 230 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.799 And but you know, we have we have. We disagree 231 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:26.480 totally on their lifestyle, right, because he has to work 232 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.879 strictly through science. I mean there's people after his tenure 233 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.080 at his college all the time because of the study 234 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:39.320 his study of Bigfoot, okay, and so we have to 235 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:42.480 be very very careful what he says and how he 236 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:47.559 says it anything. He has to have the evidence there exactly. 237 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.879 The difference is I've sat with them and watched their 238 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:56.240 their family, and i know how they live. Okay, so 239 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.519 we have a different opinion on that and what uh. 240 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:05.559 We've both spoken at the Sashquat Somemmit every year it's 241 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.919 been there, and a couple of years ago I went 242 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.399 up to him afterwards and shook hands as well. Jeff 243 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.559 us is we kept our We kept our tradition. In 244 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:20.039 the fact I says we disagree with sixty percent of 245 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:24.600 what one another saying, we shake hands and go home friends. Yeah. Right, 246 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:31.840 you can disagree without being disagreeable exactly, And he says, yeah, 247 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:34.759 he suys, that's strange as I'm sitting there listening to 248 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.440 what you're saying, and I'm I'm disagreeing with it, but 249 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:42.519 you're so darned articulate, and you say it so well, 250 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:44.559 I find my head going up and down. 251 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.679 Right, You can't tell that I understand that completely. 252 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.320 I told him, Jeff, I says, listen to your heads, 253 00:16:55.399 --> 00:17:01.639 listen to your heads. Yeah, we have a good relationship. 254 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:06.240 But Jeff and I and again we disagree on much. 255 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:08.480 But I'd never sat and listened to him that I 256 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:14.000 didn't learn something, right, You know, I've never learned anything 257 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.920 worth knowing from people who agreed with me totally. 258 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:20.599 Oh for sure. Yeah, I mean you know as well 259 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:22.799 as I Yeah, you know as well as I do. 260 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.880 I mean, just alone, that nineteen sixty seven Roger Patterson 261 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:31.000 Bob get On footage has been has been debating and 262 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:34.319 dissected over and over and over again. 263 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.119 Yes, from every. 264 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.759 Skeptic to every scientist and every step of the field. 265 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:43.880 But you know that's what you know, what kissed me 266 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.799 is that nobody could debunk it. And now that's what 267 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:47.599 I love about it. 268 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.960 Nobody could debunk it prove Otherwise. 269 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.640 You teach somebody like Bill Muns you. 270 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:55.279 Yeah, graphic and analysts. 271 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.319 Yeah, yes, And I mean the guy ran the school 272 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:05.039 and costume making for thirty years, forty years, okay, he 273 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:10.920 created costumes for movies that we all know, and yet 274 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.119 he goes through that not only frame by frame, but 275 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.920 layer by layer of emotion within the frames and the 276 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.680 you know, the injury on the thigh that ever said, well, 277 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.680 that's that's that's where it got shot. It isn't even 278 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:32.160 there in the original. That's that's that's something that comes 279 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.440 from copies of copies of copies of. 280 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:39.160 Copies, exactly. And well, many people don't realize that Bill 281 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:43.400 Minz was the one of the very few that have 282 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:49.279 ever were able to obtain original the original copy footage 283 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:50.319 of it. 284 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:54.759 Was first generation, first generation. Yeah. Yeah, and he went 285 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:57.079 right to Patricia Patterson's home to. 286 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.000 Do it right exactly. 287 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:05.079 Yeah, and yeah, that's he did fantastic work. And I've 288 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:09.119 had the honor to host him a couple of conferences 289 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.720 that I did, and that the man is just fantastic 290 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:17.480 to listen to. I had him as my keynote speaker 291 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.039 at one and just told him, you know, if the 292 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.680 times yours go as long as you want Saturday evening, 293 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:29.480 and he just had us in absolute awe two and 294 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:35.160 a half hours as he went to his evidence and summation. 295 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.440 Is even if you had somebody that could make the 296 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:45.240 suit which even was admitted to be impossible to do 297 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.359 in nineteen sixty seven. You couldn't find a body that 298 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:50.160 would fit in it. 299 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.519 Right, Like one of the things I like to present 300 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.640 when I do a lot of speaking Againe with myself 301 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.680 and based off the studies and the history have research 302 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:03.599 the best so that they had that I mean well, 303 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.200 first of all, I mean people like to like, you know, like, okay, 304 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.519 well this could have been made from this and that. Well, 305 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:13.039 looking back at that, during that time error Hollywood even 306 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.440 spoke up, So we didn't have nothing that could benefit 307 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:22.039 anything near anything that John Jannis dizity themselves the best 308 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:24.799 they had, the best they had back then. That came 309 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:28.880 out in March of nineteen sixty eight, was the the 310 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.880 first year of the Plane of the Age came out. Look, 311 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:31.680 they were mony. 312 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:39.559 That took four hours per person to put on. Okay, 313 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:43.240 John Chambers said, you know, if that's a fake, that's 314 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.880 the greatest fake that was ever made. He was an 315 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:50.440 Academy Academy Award for that Planet of the Age movie 316 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:54.960 for and he said, because I couldn't do it, and 317 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:59.279 then we just simply don't have the material to do that, 318 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:07.400 oh for sure. But they ignore that, and well my 319 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.200 brother in law said, well, your brother in law's an idiot. 320 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:19.920 What's your point, right, I mean, even with today's technology, 321 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:22.720 I mean they you know, I don't know if have 322 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.079 you seen the modern plan of the eighth movies. 323 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:29.559 They didn't try to They really didn't try to change, 324 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.599 you know, everything animal. You know, it's either C G 325 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:38.039 I or or they've used actually modern day costumes, which well, 326 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:40.680 you know, technology has come a long way. Of course. 327 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.559 You know there's C G I and AI and everything 328 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:46.839 in between. Us come up, you know, like even with 329 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:51.119 King Kong and Godzilla. I mean I love those movies. 330 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.720 Don't get wrong, I don't care. I don't care how 331 00:21:53.759 --> 00:22:00.680 they're produced. There is trade entertainment, yeah right, but yeah, 332 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.000 I mean look at I mean, now we have there's 333 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:06.960 Hollywood costumes if you just do you know, here's a 334 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:09.799 thing I'm bringing up right real quick, not to get 335 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:13.559 too far off topic right now, but uh, I mean 336 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:17.599 there's so many cool bigfoot costumes out there. I've seen 337 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:23.440 so many over the years, and there's costumes that individuals 338 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.079 could buy if you're willing to pay you the high 339 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.880 cost of some of these costumes from you know, some 340 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:30.680 of the same costumes that are made in films, that 341 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.359 are put in films, and the horror films, some of 342 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:35.960 them are look very I mean you should just looking 343 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.279 at the costume myself, it's like, oh crap. I would 344 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:40.559 hate to come across anything it looks like that, you know. 345 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.680 But I mean, I've had my I've had my share 346 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:47.920 of experiences, but I can't say I've seen them face 347 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:53.119 and face in daytime. I've had my nighttime experiences. But time, 348 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.440 maybe time will tell, maybe I will find maybe I'll 349 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:58.640 experience something later on down the road movie. 350 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.359 You know, that's interesting because virtually all of my work 351 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.119 has been done in daylight. I don't even know after dark. 352 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.559 Oh okay, but I feel like I know a lot. 353 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.960 Of people do work, you know, after dark, right and 354 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.799 have results. But that's never been It's not anything I've 355 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:23.160 ever had to do. Like you say, virtually every contact 356 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:27.839 I've had, And then my contact started in about nineteen 357 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:32.960 seventy one, seventy seventy one, right in there, okay. And 358 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.880 from nineteen fifty eight to that time, I finished high school, 359 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.119 and I spent nine years in the Navy. And let 360 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.519 me tell you, three hundred feet below the surface of 361 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:45.680 the North Atlantic is not a great place to look 362 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:46.400 for Sassquatch. 363 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:50.559 I can imagine. Wow wow. 364 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:52.880 But I did a lot of studying and I read 365 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.599 anything I get my hands on about them. But after 366 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:02.920 the Navy transferred me to to Western Washington, and I 367 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.799 was living in the Olympic Peninsula, Western Washington in nineteen 368 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:11.480 sixty eight, and that's when I could start start really researching, 369 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.359 put the boots on the ground researching, and all the 370 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:19.519 way then all the way through well through today. Actually, 371 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:24.880 that's that's been my I mean, I've had contact with 372 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:29.960 them from from Georgia to Alaska and uh and places 373 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:35.400 in between. But yeah, it's just it's ongoing. At Georgia, 374 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:37.960 we had a group of us, around eighteen of us 375 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:40.079 sitting around the campfire and had two of them join 376 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:43.960 us at the campfire. Walked right up behind me, standing 377 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:45.440 right behind me at the campfire. 378 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.839 Oh wow, where was this located at? 379 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:50.279 In Western Georgia? 380 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.640 A Western Georgia, Okay. 381 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:58.839 About eight miles from the Alabama line. We were all, Yeah, 382 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.319 we had a gathering there every year for five or six, 383 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:07.559 seven years or something like that. Yeah, and wipe that out. 384 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.599 Yeah, I've actually over the last four years, I've actually 385 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:16.000 heard a lot of Georgia reports and sidings first hand 386 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.279 from individuals down in South Carolina. They have the South 387 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:25.319 kind of uh, the South Carolina Big Festival, and that's 388 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.920 in Westminster, South Carolina. And at that point, you know, 389 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.039 every time I go down there, I don't I've never 390 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:34.680 really come through collusion or really realize how close to 391 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:39.400 Georgia that pardular location was a majority of people who 392 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.240 actually come out to that festival when that when I'm 393 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.000 speaking to them, because I have I speak there every 394 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.440 year and I have a bootset up there, and I've 395 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.680 had so many people like hey, wanted to share their 396 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.240 stories and the like when you're like, oh, where did 397 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.640 this happen? Because you know, I want to learn about 398 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.240 locations and sightings so I can document them. You know, 399 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.359 here I am and it's South Carolina, thinking okay, this 400 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.359 is a South Carolina report. Then they're like no, I'm 401 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:08.160 like it's like a lot of their sightings like in Georgia, 402 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.839 but their locations are like ten to fifteen minutes away 403 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.279 in Georgia. I was like, wait a minute, we're in 404 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:19.119 South Carolina. Where how far away you live in Georgia? Yeah, 405 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.480 then Georgia is only like five ten minutes away from here. 406 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:25.400 I Oh, my gosh, I had no id, no idea 407 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.279 or understanding that I was that close to Georgia. And 408 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.599 when I go down here every October, I go to 409 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:35.720 South Carolina. So majority of the reports I learned about 410 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.920 are coming from Georgia. Yeah, I'm learning some from South Carolina, 411 00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.440 but most of the reports, I'm like very intrigued that there. 412 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:46.880 Georgia is like right there because the line, Yeah, it's weird, 413 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:48.799 it's awesome. 414 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:53.359 Northwestern Georgia has quite a population of the dude. We 415 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:57.359 were in Alana get I think it was twenty eleven 416 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:01.720 other conference there and stay cabin on the site where 417 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:04.319 the conference was, and we had it around us all 418 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.519 the time. Watch out the window of the cabin and 419 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:14.680 seeing them run around. Wow, yeah it was it was cool. Yeah, 420 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.920 and we had quite a bunch of others there. 421 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:24.000 Right real quick, before we get off topic, Where exactly 422 00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:25.880 are you located right now? If you don't mind me, mask, 423 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:26.319 I live. 424 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:27.880 I live in the state of Washington. 425 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:30.839 Oh you're in Washington, Okay. 426 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.839 I've lived here since nineteen sixty eight. Nice transferring me 427 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:37.440 up here. I got up and I stayed. 428 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:38.440 Uh. 429 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.039 They wanted me to go back to South Carolina again. 430 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.960 I said, no, No, I've been to South Carolina. There's 431 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.440 no Elk there. I've looked and I had it all 432 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:49.720 around you where I lived. 433 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:53.400 Okay, now, okay, I was going to present when you 434 00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.200 told me Washington. I was going to tell you something 435 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.000 about Washington, which is very cool. But then you said 436 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:05.200 South Carolina and Elk. So my first year attending South Carolina, 437 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.920 I was. I was staying at with some friends. They 438 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.319 let me camp out on their property for the first 439 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.839 year I was speaking at the festival. And now keep 440 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.759 in mind, I mind you that their property borders a 441 00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:21.240 lot of woods, and there's this small swamp nearby with 442 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:26.480 a lot of bamboo trees and forests and everything. And 443 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.759 one of the nights we were out there, we're sitting 444 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.759 there because in the backyard of my friend's property, you know, 445 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.640 me and the other individual that camped out there and 446 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.680 stayed there, we were ting camping in the backyard. And 447 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.279 you know the family that hosted us, you know my 448 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.000 good friends of mine. You know, every night we were 449 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.119 to have a campfire and this and that we would 450 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.759 do some exploring around the back edge of the property 451 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.880 and they was shown me various different things because they 452 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.039 had a lot of wild boards that would be on 453 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.200 the property during the daytime. They would showed me the 454 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.599 signs and we found hair that belonged to the wild 455 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.960 boards and this and that, et cetera, et cetera. Well, 456 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:05.480 one of the nights we were here, we were standing 457 00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:07.880 there and it was dead quiet, and know, all of 458 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:12.480 a sudden, like I trust me, I've studied a lot 459 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.680 of wildlife signs of sign and vocals, and what we 460 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.279 heard next was like, oh my god, are you guys 461 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.000 hearing this? And like we're clear as day. I mean, 462 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:23.279 we're all listening to this. 463 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:24.640 Sid you guys hear that? 464 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:25.880 Do you guys know what that is? 465 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:31.240 I'm like, that's a that's oh my gosh, I'm having 466 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:31.519 a brain. 467 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.079 That's a not a deer not uh what do you 468 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:39.359 call those animals that they sound like a bugle? 469 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:40.519 Uh? 470 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.240 Elk? Yes, thank you, thank you? Clear day. 471 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.039 It wasn't close, but it wasn't that far off either. 472 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:48.319 I was like, do you guys hear this? 473 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.200 That's a I was like, I pulled that's a freaking elk. 474 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:54.079 So you guys got elk down here. It's like, my 475 00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.319 friends like that owned the property. I was like, we 476 00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.119 didn't know what we did. I said, dude, that's an elk. 477 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.480 I was like, I mean, we had the elk up 478 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.559 in Virginia, but you don't hear about them that often 479 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.079 because there they were relieved back in the nineteen sixties 480 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:09.400 and then later on in the early nineteen eighties in 481 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.599 the western marks of the state. But then I learned 482 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.119 more and more how popular elk were just in Virginia alone, 483 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.200 And then you got then some years later, in more 484 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.920 modern times, they were a population of them were released 485 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.680 in West Virginia right well. But while we were down 486 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.279 there in South Carolina, I was like, I'm hearing this, 487 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.279 I said, I said elk. I said, that is so cool, 488 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.079 because you know, apart from all the wooded land and 489 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.519 the forest that we were you know, you know, examining 490 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.759 and researching through, well, there was a lot of farm 491 00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:46.599 land out in that general area. There's a lot of 492 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.200 flat land, a lot of farmland. 493 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.240 And I was like, that's not a cow. 494 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.720 I know, my cow. I grew up around the cows 495 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.519 and the dairy life all my life I lived. I 496 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.359 grew up on forums all my life. I know, wildlife. 497 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.400 We raised cakes every year and we slaughtered them every year. 498 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:07.799 I said, I grew up around wildlife, in all these 499 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.640 various different species of animals. I was so excited to 500 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:13.839 hear this because I know exactly what I was listening to. You, 501 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.920 I studied sounds of localizations over the years. In since 502 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.160 I was a young kid. I was very acquainted with wildlife. 503 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.680 It's just you don't get to experience them all the time, 504 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.960 you know, depends on where you live. But when you 505 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.440 hear them, there's no mistake in what you're hearing. I said, 506 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.799 this is the nilk. I said, you guys got elk 507 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.480 down here, so you know, keep in mind this is 508 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:39.200 in the western part of South Carolina. I mean my 509 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.319 you know, like I said, the festival, the Bigfoot Festival 510 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:47.039 is in Westminster, Westminster, South Carolina, in the western part 511 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.799 of the state. Where I was staying. It was only 512 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.519 about twenty minutes from where the festival is right and 513 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.720 during this was the first year I've ever been down here. 514 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.720 To me, I know, it may not even exciting to 515 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.839 many people, but to hear what I heard, to experience 516 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.240 when I heard that was something. To hear it in 517 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.519 elk for the first time ever, and we got a 518 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.519 I know for a fact because it's proven and it's 519 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.599 been documented, even if I've seen pictures of hunters who 520 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.960 had taken them in right here in Virginia, but I 521 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.400 never heard of elk. I had reason to believe that 522 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.680 we have elk that live in Virginia because I have 523 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.799 seen duran in the National Forest out here in West Virginia, 524 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.759 where I spent a great deal in my life. I've 525 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.680 seen very large hoof tracks that these, ah, what the 526 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.440 heck did this come from. I have seen scat that 527 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:47.319 looked like larger than a multi milkball that you would 528 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:48.279 get in the candy store. 529 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.319 Sure, sure, and. 530 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.880 Exactly. I've had people I've posted pictures of this and 531 00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:00.440 many years ago, and I've had people from out west 532 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.319 on the West Coast that hunt elk and well view 533 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.160 my pictures of what I posted as the scat and say, dude, 534 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:09.640 that's elk's dat. 535 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:11.839 You know. 536 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.519 Not once have I ever heard of them in my 537 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.480 research area, which is here in Virginia on the western 538 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:20.920 part of the state. But I've had reason to believe 539 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.440 before I've ever had confirmation that, yeah, that's elkskat I 540 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.880 believe that they're out here. I've just never seen them 541 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.200 because you know, I mean, we do have large deer. 542 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.240 I've seen a lot of deer over the years. I've 543 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.240 spent many years in these woods. I've seen things that 544 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.000 people will say that even authority say that we don't have, 545 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.559 like the mountain lions. Yeah, we got mountains here. 546 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.839 You know, if you get a healthy deer population, you've 547 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.880 got mountain lion's, I guarantee you. 548 00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.519 Oh. But just as kind of a thrown out there 549 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.559 back in twenty fifteen, I've seen them. I had a 550 00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:00.559 witness with me in my same main research are that 551 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.240 I like to explore and research a life. I've seen 552 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.920 a black one across the road. You know it was 553 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.360 I said, I didn't know what the heck I was 554 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.239 looking at. It was something black on the side of 555 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.159 the road, until it got them on all forward across 556 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.360 the road on me. I was like, what the heck. 557 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.440 That's not a bear? What the heck is that long 558 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:26.400 ass tail dragging behind it? You know, And that's just 559 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.000 you know, not to get into that. But there's been so. 560 00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.000 Many other reports in surrounding counties just west of where 561 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.320 I've seen witness that. I mean, yeah, there's there's a 562 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:36.239 mountain last year. 563 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.239 But all your all your game awardens and. 564 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.119 Your game officials every time they come in to check it. Uh, 565 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.159 Like I've talked to so many. I've spoke to so 566 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.880 many over the years, and like they'll come in and 567 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.360 check it, like, well, you're camping out in these permitive locations, 568 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.519 They'll come in and check make sure you're not doing 569 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.079 nothing illegal. But you know, I've had so many conversations 570 00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:00.440 with so many of them over the years. There's stories 571 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.519 are so identical. It's like, really, when are you gonna 572 00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.480 like when they tell you the same game pitch like, 573 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.280 you're like, really, like you just listen, they're all the same, 574 00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:14.079 and you're thinking of one to change your story. I mean, fine, 575 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:15.599 you guys got to come up with a better game 576 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.880 than this, because you know, they will tell you that 577 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.880 they don't exist here. Why are they afraid of them? 578 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.199 Who admit that, Hey, we have mountain lions here. 579 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.199 What's the big. 580 00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.000 Deal they're afraid the public panic? 581 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:35.400 Exactly, you know, mm hmm, yeah, exactly. 582 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.760 It's unbelievable what the government officials do. I have an 583 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:47.199 ongoing war with them. Uh, and twice I've seen wolves 584 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.639 on the Olympic Peninsula. Told the state, Oh, they don't 585 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:56.679 exist here, what you sell? Right, You're right. I've only 586 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.880 been in the woods for fifty years and I don't 587 00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:01.719 know a kyout from wolf. 588 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:03.000 Right, you know exactly? 589 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:08.159 Yeah, And uh so I just don't even deal with 590 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.679 those people anymore. Uh let them let me live in 591 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:19.360 their own uh A little little shell there. But yeah, 592 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:26.599 it was elk actually that created my first excellent sighting 593 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.079 of sasquatch. Now I had seen them peeking around trees 594 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.880 and such like that before. I by my degrees in forestry, 595 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:41.199 log and engineering actually and uh bridge, where I did 596 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:45.480 I say that? And I've never worked aday as an 597 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.280 employee for anybody as a logan engineer. I got out 598 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.199 of college and found out what they paid, and I 599 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:55.400 had a logging company going on my own then, and 600 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.119 it was making me a whole lot more money than 601 00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.559 that was. But I did do a lot of consulting work. 602 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.480 And in the state of Washington, if you're going to 603 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.400 build a road that crosses a stream used by anagamus 604 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.800 fish runs that's face that spawn on fresh water and 605 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.000 go to salt water and then come back to spawn salmon, 606 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:18.480 steel head, even lamprey eel. See that type of thing. 607 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.599 If it's used by that type of face. You have 608 00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.920 to have a permit from the state to build a bridge, 609 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.599 and so they would hire me to do that. Okay, 610 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:38.320 Unfortunately as a consultant, they're on board engineers got the 611 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.440 ones who were next to the road. I got the 612 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.880 one that was six miles in. You know, then I 613 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:48.199 had to hike in. But I'd sit there after I 614 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.480 did all the drawings. I figured out really quickly, you 615 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.519 don't hike back out six miles sit down at the 616 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:56.760 desk that evening to draw it up and find out 617 00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.639 you've forgotten one measurement and have to go back in 618 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.079 and the day to get it that ruins your whole 619 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.079 day for you, right, So I would after I got 620 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.360 done with all my measurements. You have to measure the 621 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:15.559 wid the depth, the water flow rate, the soil types 622 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.000 and and and all of these types of things and 623 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.239 come then come up with a basic design for whatever 624 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.679 bridge you're going to build. And so I just sit 625 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.000 down on the bank after I had my measurements and 626 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.800 makes you draw it out, make sure I had all 627 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.719 the pertinent facts and at that time, I'd start seeing 628 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:36.880 them peeking around the tree at me, wondering what I 629 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.039 was doing sitting there by myself, six miles from the 630 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.880 I mean, they hadn't been anybody there in the last 631 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.880 four hundred years. Uh This timber was, you know, four 632 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.000 hundred five hundred years old. Uh So it wasn't like 633 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:57.840 it gets traveled every day because there's People don't realize this, 634 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:03.800 but in old growth conifer forest, there's no game under 635 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:08.719 the In an old growth conifer forest, there's no feed. Okay, 636 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.840 so there's no game. That's all around the clear cuts, 637 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.960 around the open areas where the feed grows. That's where 638 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:20.119 they are. And so I'd hike back out do my stuff. 639 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.320 But that's all I ever got was just those glimpses 640 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:29.119 until we were we were shut down, fire fire shut down. 641 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:33.719 One day, it was late September, the elk bugling, and 642 00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:38.440 so my partner and I decided to go go grouse honey, 643 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.119 which was a euphemism for being in the woods with 644 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.880 the awk for bugling, because we both loved it. And 645 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.280 we came on our herd alk and parked the truck, 646 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:54.360 took off after him, and we followed half a day 647 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.199 walking along with them, and uh just I mean it 648 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.679 was close enough. I could reach over to the left, 649 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.039 touch cow, reach over to the right and touch cow, 650 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.239 and there you could see a bull. Every now and again. 651 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:11.679 It was rot time and they were bugling, and we 652 00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.480 finally got up up in a corner. It was clerk 653 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.599 out on you know, two sides, and either had to 654 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.119 come out in the open or come back by us. 655 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.800 And most of them did come back by us, but 656 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:26.119 a few went out in the opening. And I screeped 657 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.800 up over the hill and looked, and here's the herd 658 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.119 bow up on the side of the hill, bugling his 659 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:35.119 brains out, tried to get his cows back together, and 660 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:41.159 he was upset. He was really mad at spuked up 661 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.840 the sideim He just lowered his horn and rolled him 662 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.760 down the hill. And we had brust up his herd, 663 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.599 and he was not a happy camper. So we decided 664 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.559 it was time to leave them alone, let him get 665 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.360 back together. And of course by that time we were separated, 666 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.760 but didn't make any different scary. It was a forester 667 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.440 or too. We knew how to get out at any 668 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:08.719 place we were, and so I just started back, and 669 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.480 on the way back I saw this clearing ahead of me. Now, 670 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.559 you got to remember this place, This place where I 671 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.639 was is just timber. That's all it is, is timber. 672 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:23.360 And there was this clearing, and usually that means a 673 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.199 water hole, so I just can't sneak up on it 674 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.800 slowly see if I could see anything around the water hole, 675 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.559 alky deer or something. And I got up there and 676 00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:35.599 it wasn't It wasn't a water hole. It was a 677 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:39.079 little patch of blown down timber about both six seven 678 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:43.440 acres maybe, and I saw two bear feeding along the 679 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.559 edge of it, and they were they were eating oyster mushrooms. 680 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:47.960 And I don't know if you know them, but if 681 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.679 you have them back there or not, I don't recall 682 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.719 seeing them when I lived back there, but they're absolutely delicious. 683 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.679 You pick them right off the log and need them raw. 684 00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:01.480 They're delicious. And so I decided to watch the bears 685 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:04.239 for a minute, and all of a sudden, one of 686 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.840 the bears stood up to look around. That was no bear, 687 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:14.760 m oh okay. And then the other one stood up, 688 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.679 and that was the female. You can see the brass 689 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.440 the whole nine yards. And I sat there for twenty 690 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.159 twenty five minutes watching them as they fed long a 691 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.480 little closer to me, and they were about thirty five 692 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:32.239 maybe forty yards from me at the closest, and then 693 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.280 I felt a gust of wind hit the back of 694 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.039 my neck, so I knew I was busted. I had 695 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.519 four eyes had just snapped right to me, you know, 696 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.719 And so I just stood up, and I was sitting 697 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.840 behind this big old spruce tree is about eight foot diameter, 698 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.519 and just stepped out in the open. And he had 699 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.159 stepped back and let her go in front of him, 700 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.159 and as she laughed, she reached down, picked up a baby, 701 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:01.440 put it on her chest, and she stepped back into 702 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.239 the timber. And I said, before you go, I want 703 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.480 to thank you for allowing me to see your family. 704 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.679 And he turned it back, looked back at me, and 705 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.159 I swear to this day, I swear to this day 706 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.079 that he nodded his head at me. 707 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.280 And then turned Oh that's awesome. 708 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.800 Yeah it was. It was just totally awesome. But that 709 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.280 was their first time that I ever got to sit 710 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:31.199 with and watch a sasquatch doing going about their everyday thing. 711 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.079 And ever since then, I just worked my butt up 712 00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.719 to make that a regular thing, because, let me tell you, 713 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.639 the Diane Fossey Jane Goodall way is the only way 714 00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.159 to understand these beings. 715 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.800 I have to agree with you because you don't anyone. 716 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.719 For those who don't understand Jane Goodall's methods and how 717 00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:01.840 he witnessed and observed the wildlife, especially the mountain various 718 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.280 species of mountain goerillas, and also those who don't know Ian. 719 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:12.079 Uh what's the idan? Ian? Oh? My gosh, I have 720 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.880 a brain fart on his last name. But there's other 721 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.639 primatologists who have witness observed these mountain gerillers in their 722 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:25.519 very own inhabitants, you know, inhabitants you know that have witness. 723 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:29.400 That was Diane Fosse. Diane worked with the gorillas and 724 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.519 Jane worked with the chimpanzees. 725 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.800 Right, Oh, Ian Redmond that's the other name. 726 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:42.480 Yeah, Yeah, And he he was Jane Goodall's uh mentor, 727 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.239 wasn't He wasn't that well? 728 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.159 They were in the same field, but they had different 729 00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.599 they they at the same time, they had different uh 730 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:54.440 projects involved. 731 00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.079 I've read his name in conjunction with her. Yeah, it 732 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.079 was her sponsor. Yeah. 733 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.440 Well, Jane Goodall and Ann Redmen they were both conservationists 734 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.800 in their own field, right, you know, uh, they have 735 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:15.719 very similar uh activities where they both observed the Mountain 736 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.280 guerrillas in their own inhabitat. I speak a lot about 737 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.519 Jane Goodall because a lot of people are familiar with 738 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.320 Jane Goodall, right, and they're more familiar with her and 739 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:29.320 what she's. 740 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:30.440 Conducted in the field. 741 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.119 Not many are, you know, you speak about Ian Redman, 742 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.119 they're like people like, who's that? You know? It's like, well, 743 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.920 Ian Redman and Jane Goodall, they're basically the same. There 744 00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:45.400 are two different people in the same field, but also 745 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.400 also different at the same time. So, yeah, and Redmond, 746 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.360 which I've had many years ago. I've actually had him 747 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:54.519 as a. 748 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.079 As a guest on a podcast many years ago. 749 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.239 And you know, a lot of people don't stand that 750 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.079 these are the same individuals that who witness and observe 751 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:08.159 what they observed, you know, as far as with real 752 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.639 primates in your own field, you know, uh several different 753 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.440 times and whatnot mm hm. But at the same time, 754 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.519 you know, yeah, I use I use Jane Goodall a 755 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.960 lot in a lot of presentation because she tends to 756 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:31.599 be more of the popular name that's known, well known. Yeah, right, 757 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.920 So I try to get people present and understand that 758 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.679 Ian Redmond. If you don't know who Ian Redman is, 759 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.000 he's a conservationist who's been in the very same field 760 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.719 as Jane Goodall. You know, if you don't know, If 761 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.239 you don't know Ian Redmond, get very feel, get very 762 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:51.440 little clink tad familiar with him? M hm now uh 763 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.519 versus Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall, she is the one when 764 00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.719 it comes to Bigfoot. She will be she's you know, 765 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.000 she will speak on it. Well, I believe there is 766 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:06.039 something out there. And you know, because you know she's 767 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:10.599 witnessed and observed these mountain guerrillas and there in their 768 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.800 own natural habitats. A lot of people don't realize that 769 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.800 you know what she's witnessed and or she's observed many 770 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:23.039 many times over and over. We could relate to Bigfoot 771 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:27.000 in so many different ways. But again, if she is 772 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.440 somebody who will tell you straight up, straight off, you know, 773 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.159 on her own world, you know, and with through her 774 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:39.599 own words that she won't admit, but she will tell 775 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:41.800 you that she believes there is something out there that 776 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:43.519 has not been discovered yet. 777 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.760 She believes that there is something out there. 778 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.440 So yeah, I Redmond on the other hand, he's more 779 00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:56.280 conservative on the subject. You know, but if you understand 780 00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.880 the behaviors of these primates that we do know that 781 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:02.280 it exists, there is a very close resemblance and on 782 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:08.519 their behaviors. So I challenge people to do their research 783 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.559 and look at who these individuals individuals are. Jane Goodall's 784 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:17.840 a primatologist. She studied primates up close and personal, Mountain 785 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.519 griddles up close and personal. Jane Goodall, excuse me, Anne Redmond, 786 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.440 in the same way, of course, he goes a little 787 00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:29.079 bit beyond further with other mambals such as elephants and 788 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:33.039 so forth. You know, people have no understanding who these 789 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:36.760 people are, you know, Jane Goodall has been brought up 790 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.400 numerous times in the big food field, you know, but 791 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.559 people gotta understand what these people, what their special talenty, 792 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.840 what there, what the researcher consisted of, what they specialize in, 793 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:53.559 and how they understand these primate beings. 794 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:59.119 So m hm, yeah, without a doubt. But yeah, that's 795 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:04.000 uh for all through the seventies. That was my experience 796 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:09.679 out on the Peninsularist, working and running into one after 797 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.800 another over the years until twenty ten. Bring us up 798 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.159 to twenty ten and I was in the Blue Mountains 799 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:26.239 in eastern Washington and met my teacher and it was 800 00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:34.360 just such an absolutely wonderful occasion. The fellow is nine 801 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:39.760 foot three inches tall, absolutely huge, I mean just shoulders 802 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:45.480 that are five feet across, and he held my hand 803 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.320 in his and when he did, his fingers came down 804 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:54.639 to about here. Yeah, just an absolutely And he's the 805 00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:59.000 one I've written sixteen I'm working on my sixteenth book 806 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:05.440 right now, and they're all ridden because of him, right, Okay, 807 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.599 he's the one. He's the one that prodded me, kept 808 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:13.320 me going, gave me, gave me flues, stuff to research, 809 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.239 where to look, and it all came from him. His 810 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.440 name is Zachie, and I still see him fairly regularly now. 811 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:26.280 Even even though I live in an assisted living facility 812 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.920 now and don't get out as much as I used to, 813 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.039 I still try to get out some. And in August, 814 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:35.719 I'm going to California, back to the Bluff Creek area 815 00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:42.280 for a week, right, and we're gonna rede redo the 816 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.599 renevous we had there in twenty fourteen that was so fantastic. 817 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:50.840 We had five sightings right in camp during that one. 818 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.519 We had two on the road right in front of 819 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.159 our car, twenty feet from us. Uh. Yeah, it was 820 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:02.400 just a fantastic, fantastic and we're I've only got I 821 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.559 think three more openings for it and and it'll be filled. 822 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.440 I'll keep it. Oh wait, you know a substitute list 823 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:15.800 in case somebody drops out. But yeah, it's going to 824 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:16.800 be fantastic. 825 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:23.599 Absolutely. Yeah. Well Tom, Yeah, one of the questions I 826 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.400 want to ask you, I mean, just curious, how old 827 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:35.000 are you right now? Old? Oh? Eighty one? Okay, okay, 828 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.719 So I'm glad I asked. I was for some reason, 829 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.239 I was under the impression you were a little younger. 830 00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.079 But okay, you're eighty one years old right now. 831 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:49.360 Yeah, and I'm growing this for this summer's outing, that's 832 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:49.960 what that's for. 833 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.639 Well, with that being said, that just just out of curiosity, 834 00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.519 I mean, I'm being out of your age right now? 835 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:03.199 Are you? Are you limiting? Limiting in your travels? 836 00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:09.800 I have to I can't fly anymore, drive, I'm subject 837 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.000 to other people for everything I do. I can't walk. 838 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.760 I have to use a scooter to get around, right, 839 00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.679 So yeah, I'm limited. That doesn't stop me. I'm still 840 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:26.000 speaking at I think four conferences this year so far, 841 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:31.679 and while going to so long View this weekend, and 842 00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:37.800 then first of March to Ja Halo's Washington In, going 843 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:44.280 to Blue Mountains in July, oh night, yeah, and so 844 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:48.480 no Blue Mountainyeah, Blue Mountains in July, and then California 845 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:53.639 in August, and then back to camp. I work very 846 00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.639 closely with Barbershops group. 847 00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.000 And oh yeah yeah. 848 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.119 And she just lives twenty minutes up the hill from 849 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:05.639 me here and and I really love you want to 850 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:10.119 see somebody that does research, right, that group does. That's 851 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:14.280 what drew them to me initially. Uh. I mean, if 852 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:18.159 somebody finds something, it gets recorded, it gets you know, 853 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.960 the whole write up on it, video, the whole works. 854 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:26.159 Just fantastic job that she does. And I think I've 855 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:27.719 got her writing a book out to you. 856 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:34.079 Nice. Yeah, I would love you know, I seriously would 857 00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.400 love to meet up with you and be a partisan 858 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:41.400 research included with you. Because for the first time three 859 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:46.559 years ago, I was flown out the Washington Estate and Spokane, Washington, 860 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.719 I was and yeah, I was actually flown out to 861 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.559 be a part of a big foot talk show. It 862 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:56.960 was an interview, but it was for the show called 863 00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.280 Pocaine Talks, also known as UH. 864 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:06.639 Bigfoot Today. And that individual who hosted. 865 00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.440 That, I'm having a brain part right now, my head 866 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:13.119 trying to think of his name. Who Actually he's been 867 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.960 involved with several different Bigfoot documentaries and uh. 868 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.960 That individual flew me out to Washington State three years ago. 869 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.440 And I tell you what, it was incredible. I mean, 870 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.639 I wish I had more time to spend out there, 871 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.880 and he flew me on a Tuesday. We did the 872 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:34.360 show in the interview on film on a Wednesday, and 873 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.599 then I had Unfortunately it sucked. I really wish I 874 00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:41.559 had more child out there because head I had to 875 00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:43.320 come back home on Thursday. 876 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:49.159 Well, you're welcome. Look on my page at my website 877 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.920 is just my name dot com. So right look there 878 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.519 and you can you can see our our August outing 879 00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.800 in northern California. He'd be more than welcome to that. 880 00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.679 You'd be more than welcome to come join us for 881 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.480 one of the Barbon Goldie camp House. We do four 882 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:13.400 of those a year, uh May, June, September and October. 883 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:20.119 Uh May June. We got five this year made June, July, September, October. 884 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:25.119 So okay, you do welcome for any of those. Uh. 885 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.199 And I mean we have lots of activity right in 886 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.119 camp with those. I mean they come right into right 887 00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:31.920 into our camp. 888 00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.239 Oh. Absolutely, I have no doubt that you guys have. 889 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.480 I know there's big put out there. I have no 890 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.800 doubt whatsoever in the vision. I'm trying to remember his name. 891 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:48.119 He Oh my gosh, like I said, he flew me 892 00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:48.679 out there. 893 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:51.480 I think I know who you mean. And I just 894 00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:52.639 can't remember it either. 895 00:55:54.760 --> 00:56:01.920 Ah man, I'm trying to remember his name. But like 896 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.119 I said, he uh yeah, he flew me out there 897 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.679 interview me. And uh, you know, I was surprised. 898 00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:11.239 He he he flew me. 899 00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:14.440 Out there and interviewed me. And the thing is, during 900 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:19.119 that particular time, you know, because the weather was kind 901 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.400 of shitty. I ain't a lie the shitty the weather 902 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:26.960 was shitty, Uh, I mean he I mean, I don't 903 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.239 get me wrong. That short time I was out there. 904 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:30.760 For the couple of days that it was. 905 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:33.199 I wish it could have lasted longer because I had 906 00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.719 a great time being with him, and you know, an 907 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:41.199 uber driver. He gave me a couple of DVDs that 908 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:45.159 he was because they produced a couple of documentaries back 909 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:50.599 he came across his on other TV series where he 910 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.159 was part of a TV series where he was actually 911 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:58.599 the main person involved that hosted all this. Man, I 912 00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.199 can't believe I'm having a brain part. Remember his name. 913 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:05.039 But when he brought me out there, Yeah, he played 914 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:09.360 for our hotel lodging. We ate and fed me. I 915 00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:12.599 ate great out there. I ain't gonna lie. Uh every 916 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.320 I mean even the hotel I stayed at had a 917 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:19.639 nice dining room restaurant there. The first time we ate, 918 00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.960 and then like I said, the next day, I brought 919 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.199 I came up there on Tuesday, and it was Wednesday 920 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.719 morning where we did went went to the studio to 921 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:34.960 do the recording for the show. And even after that, uh, 922 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.000 we basically did bar harping. We went to a couple 923 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.960 of different bars. He brought me to a spoke in 924 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.840 Washington and Skylift where we you know, we got skylift, 925 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.559 which was awesome, you know. And on top of that, 926 00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:52.519 he brought me to one of the coolest resorts, uh, 927 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:56.519 the casinos out there, so that was cool. 928 00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:56.760 You know. 929 00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:58.480 We had a good I ain't gonna lie. We had 930 00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:00.320 a great time out there. I'm not going to get that. 931 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:05.199 We had a great time out there. Good Quest hotel, 932 00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:09.400 Quest hotel or resort whatever would I think it was so? 933 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:12.599 I mean it was one of the very few resorts 934 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.239 and the casinos that were one of the very few 935 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.800 that were still remaining that was owned by a Native 936 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:20.679 American tribe. 937 00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:24.000 Yeah, well in the state of wors and they all. 938 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:29.960 Are oh okay, okay, good deal, Okay. Yeah, but he 939 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.920 brought me to one where you know, it was a 940 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.480 fun time regardless. I didn't win nothing. But you know 941 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.360 when we went there, it was me, him and his 942 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.039 uber driver that he paid the transport us all around 943 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.519 wherever we went to the uber driver because. 944 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:49.079 He gave me like a hundred bucks of cash. 945 00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:51.800 He's the hair. We're gonna play one particular game and 946 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:53.880 if we win, we win. Hey, this is great. 947 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.639 If we win, you get you get to keep so 948 00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:57.079 much of it. 949 00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.400 Blah blah blah. I never won nothing, We never went up. 950 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:02.800 But uh it was. 951 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:04.960 It was a great experience. I gotta say that. 952 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:11.960 But yeah, I'm going well, I say North is spoken 953 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.320 in June. I've got to speaking engagement up there right 954 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:21.760 up the border there. Uh so, yeah, and it's fun. 955 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.760 It's great. Sometimes in June, the weather. It can be 956 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:28.880 a little raw yet, but uh, but it's fun. You 957 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.880 throw a rock, do north from there to the land 958 00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:33.639 in Canada, and turn around throw it to east of 959 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.039 the land of Idaho. That's how close we are to 960 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:43.679 the corner of the state. Mm hmm. 961 00:59:49.280 --> 01:00:11.119 We'd lose you, Daniel. Yeah, I apologize by that. I 962 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:14.360 kind of went off. I lost my connection here for 963 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:14.960 a second. 964 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.519 Yeah, I figured that's what had happened. No, big, I 965 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:24.760 was actually trying to huh, I said, dealing with these things, 966 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:26.800 you're going to get knocked off once in a while. 967 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:32.719 Yeah. I was actually trying to look up information you 968 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.280 might know who want to talk about if you guys, 969 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.079 couple of different film documentaries. 970 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:43.039 Uh, he's had individuals who have been involved with what 971 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:43.519 he does. 972 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.400 Yeah, I know, I know the name. It's so right 973 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.920 on the tip of my tongue, and I just can't 974 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.599 bring it to mind. That's pretty good. 975 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.800 Uh, I'm right there with you, because I should remember 976 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.199 better than I had to remember. Uh. And I wish 977 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.400 I could remember his name mm hmm. I mean he said, 978 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:10.280 I got a couple of different documentary films that included 979 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:17.000 with him and Adam Davies Adam Davies have been involved 980 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:20.719 with him, you know, and a lot of it has 981 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:27.079 to do with the uh what's that one part of 982 01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:31.119 it they did a documentary uh that were where they 983 01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:37.400 were based out of Alaska. I can't think of the 984 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.440 name of the area. I got the DVD, but I 985 01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:42.280 can't think of the name of it my head. 986 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:46.800 Having those weird encounters up there. 987 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:57.199 Yeah, exactly, Yes, Yes, that's it. Yeah, Chatham, mm hmm, 988 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.599 because there's there's been some very interesting things just happened 989 01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:06.440 to here in the year's past. I mean, yeah, Port Chatham, 990 01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:09.239 Port Chatham. It was with Adam Davies and the guy 991 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:14.400 who put that uh event on. You know. Here's the 992 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:18.599 thing when I was part of after even after the 993 01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:23.320 podcast interview that he flew me out there for IBY, 994 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:26.199 he actually told me that, yeah, he wanted me to. 995 01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:30.159 He wanted to invite me and include me any new 996 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:37.239 series or a new fielding project that included both him 997 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.719 a couple other individuals. One he mentioned was I think 998 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:48.239 Adam Davies was a part of it. Also Russell Accord, 999 01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.079 who is actually part of Yeah, Russell Cord, who was 1000 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.840 also part of the EXPI Big Show and the thing 1001 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:59.880 is it was up there and a part of what 1002 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:01.880 he wanted to do. It was actually in a part 1003 01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:06.880 of Alaska where I needed to obtain or uh yeah, 1004 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:10.480 obtained a what do you call it a passport and 1005 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.239 uh which I had back during that time. 1006 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.719 Yeah, when going through Canada. 1007 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:23.159 Yeah exactly. He presented everything to me and I said, oh, man, 1008 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:27.000 I had here's the thing. I had the time approved 1009 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.880 off to take off with my employer at the time. 1010 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.519 But I just I don't know why ever happened of 1011 01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:36.480 the whole thing is. 1012 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:40.760 Just because it would have cost me. It would have 1013 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:43.800 cost me so much money to obtain my passport, and 1014 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.639 I was like, unfortunately, I hated to do it, but 1015 01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:49.760 I had it back out because he was going to film. 1016 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:52.800 He had a project involved that it would have been 1017 01:03:52.840 --> 01:04:00.960 a ten day filming project in British Columbia, and and 1018 01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:02.880 it sucked because I had it back out of it. 1019 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.519 I just, you know, I just wasn't into obtaining the 1020 01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:08.519 funds to come up with a passport. I never have. 1021 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:14.719 I don't have a passport. You know, eventually we. 1022 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:19.039 Can cross from Washington into uh Canada with just your 1023 01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:23.719 driver's license. Oh really, provided it's the driver's license with 1024 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:29.519 the r IF chip in it. Yeah. Oh see into 1025 01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:30.440 British Columbia. 1026 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:33.679 That was Yeah, I see that. I know that would 1027 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:36.119 have been a story because I mean they made it 1028 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.360 sound like I needed a passport. 1029 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.639 And you do from any other states. I think there's 1030 01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:47.000 five states. It's five border states that that that's applicable to, right, 1031 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.880 and you have to make the crossing black car you 1032 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.800 can't fly in Okay. 1033 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.679 See now I'm wondering if they would have flown me 1034 01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.039 into Washington State and that we were letting them there. 1035 01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, good. 1036 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.079 I don't I. 1037 01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.719 Don't know if it would work without a Washington driver's license. 1038 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:09.840 So right, yeah. 1039 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.199 Because I only have a Virginia I'm located in Virginia 1040 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.360 and I have a Virginia license driver's license. 1041 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:21.000 But I lived in Virginia back in nineteen sixty one, 1042 01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.199 sixty two, sixty three, sixty four. 1043 01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:27.639 Oh okay, what part of Virginia do you recall? 1044 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.880 I was in Virginia Beach for the first part in 1045 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:34.480 the last three years where at the Newport News. 1046 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:37.159 Oh okay, okay, you see I'm in a good three 1047 01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:39.000 four hours west. 1048 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.320 Yes, I've been. I've been all over it. But that's 1049 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.119 where I lived. Nine I was in the Navy. I 1050 01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:50.719 went to Guide Missiles School at Damn Neck at Virginia 1051 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:54.360 Beach and then put the submarine and commission at Newport 1052 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:58.920 News Shipyard, absolutely and we left there sixty five, went 1053 01:05:58.960 --> 01:05:59.679 to Charleston. 1054 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:06.599 So we're yep. So Tom, I'm just curious, what's your 1055 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:13.079 latest or the most recent big foot fighting or occurrence 1056 01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.159 that you've ever experienced other. 1057 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.719 Than my teacher that I see fairly rarely. The last 1058 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:23.239 one was last year in camp with Barb and a 1059 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.719 little of one of our camps up near where she 1060 01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:31.000 lives in Greenwater, Washington, which is about you know. It 1061 01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:34.639 has a tavern and a store that's closed most of 1062 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:37.639 the time and a little gift shop and that's about 1063 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:44.800 side of the town. Not even any gas stations anymore. Yeah, 1064 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:50.519 And we were in camp near near there, it's probably 1065 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:56.599 eight ten miles from Greenwater, and I was sitting by 1066 01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:00.440 the fire next to this stream, and the two people 1067 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.400 that had been I'd been sitting there talking with had 1068 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:05.239 something that they were going to do. So he got 1069 01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:08.159 up and walked to the to my left, say, to 1070 01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.079 the to the west from where I was. As soon 1071 01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:16.400 as they passed this spot, a sasquatch comes out of 1072 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:19.519 that spot and walked back to the east where they 1073 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:23.480 were right in front of me, and on down the 1074 01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:28.159 hill to the creek further down. Yeah, and just this 1075 01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:33.800 year they had same type of sighting. Ashley Stinnett was 1076 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.239 walking down the road back to camp to the same 1077 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:38.960 spot where I was sitting. One of them walked right 1078 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:40.360 across the road in front of her. 1079 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:41.639 Uh. 1080 01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:47.239 They were sitting in camp talking and they found where 1081 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:51.679 they climbed up on the bank creek bank and were listening, 1082 01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:55.239 like sitting there laying there actually on the ground listening 1083 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.760 to him. So, yeah, they're they're all around us. 1084 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:01.159 Yeah. 1085 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:09.239 Uh, I've you know, my, my, my, uh finding sasquatch 1086 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:14.039 regiment has become kind of the joke of the of 1087 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:16.640 the group because you know, I tell I take my 1088 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:22.399 folding chair, a cooler full of fried chicken, fried chicken 1089 01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:26.119 hips and boiled eggs and dad PEPSI. I go out 1090 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:30.680 and open up my chair, sit down, open my kindle, 1091 01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.119 start reading, grab a chicken hip and a boiled egg 1092 01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:36.960 and dad pepsi and sit there wait till they come 1093 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.960 find me. And they will because they're curious they're a 1094 01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:44.439 curious creature and they'll want to know why what I'm doing. 1095 01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.479 They're sitting there by myself, and pretty quick you see 1096 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.199 him peeking around a tree at you, and I just 1097 01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:53.840 start talking to him. Hey, they're big guy. I came 1098 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:56.000 to see you today. I hope, I hope you don't mind, 1099 01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:58.680 you know. And then that all of get them coming 1100 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:03.239 out even more. Is usually youngsters the first ones to 1101 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:07.359 show up, generally teenagers. I mean, who gets in more 1102 01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:14.800 trouble than any species than adolescent males. Absolutely, I agree, 1103 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.840 and that's what they do. They get curious and they 1104 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:20.920 got to see what's going on. But I have had 1105 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:27.359 an actually come out and just stand by me and yeah, 1106 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:31.680 I got to see the birth of twins in British Clubia. 1107 01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:37.000 During our research time up there, my two partners, Brian 1108 01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:43.279 Bland and Susan we did a five year study on glyphs. 1109 01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:47.800 And when we started that back in twenty eleven, there 1110 01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:52.079 was nobody talking about glyphs. Nobody knew about them, their 1111 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:56.760 structures and a little bit about structures, but not about glyphs. 1112 01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.000 And we determined what they were. That they were actually 1113 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:06.840 the communications, it's actually their written language and Uh, we 1114 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.520 chronicled a bunch of them, and you know the ones 1115 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:15.640 we learned, we learned in Genaria. Uh and uh what 1116 01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:23.319 the classes? You know, the identifications left cliffs that identified 1117 01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:26.840 the individual and they made one for me, so they 1118 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.239 knew how to get a hold of me when they 1119 01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.560 wanted it. I'll tell you a quick story on that. 1120 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:36.920 I was in BC and my Mike glyph was by 1121 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:40.399 a glyph that told me, told me something. I understood 1122 01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:45.439 what it said. And oh, two three weeks later I 1123 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.399 was in Oregon, uh with a group of the old 1124 01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:53.439 organ Bigfoot people, a lot of Williams group and uh, 1125 01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:57.880 spent a weekend in camp with them. And we'd been 1126 01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:01.119 out for the day wandering around, I can around doing stuff, 1127 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.119 got back to camp, sat down in my chair, looked 1128 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:06.760 down right between my feet because identical glyph. 1129 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:10.920 Yeah. 1130 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:19.159 So yeah, there are marvelous a marvelous being. And anyway, 1131 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:23.239 I got to see the twins born, sitting with eighteen 1132 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:27.319 males asquatch watching the birth of twins. It was almost 1133 01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:32.399 like a royal birth. Actually. Then in September of twenty three, 1134 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.640 I was invited back to Canada, back to b C 1135 01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:41.560 by Brian. He was having a gathering there and wanted 1136 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:44.319 me to attend. And I went back up and the 1137 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:48.279 mother of the twins contacted me and wanted me to 1138 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.880 come to it, and she let me know where to go. 1139 01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.680 I did, and she and the twins and her newest 1140 01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.720 baby came out to see me, and I had the 1141 01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:03.079 little and climbing on my legs. That was pretty darn 1142 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:07.239 cool too. That the twins are nine years old. Now 1143 01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:11.159 that happened. I was They were born in twenty fifteen, 1144 01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:18.319 January fifteenth, twenty fifteen, And yeah, pretty nice. But that's 1145 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.920 the rapport I have with them. And that's because for 1146 01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:27.560 all of these years I've shooted him with nothing but respect. Okay, 1147 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.680 I'm in their home and I treated it that way. 1148 01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.039 I asked them, I asked them if it's all right 1149 01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:38.399 to take pictures. Okay, I'm not trying here to take 1150 01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.000 pictures of you, but I want to take pictures as scenery. 1151 01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:44.960 Is that all right? And then I'll get a and 1152 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:50.399 they appreciate that. You have to remember, they are a 1153 01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:54.399 creature of respect. As long as they're respected, nobody will 1154 01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:58.239 ever have a problem with any of them. Now, do 1155 01:12:58.319 --> 01:12:59.119 they all love us? 1156 01:12:59.319 --> 01:12:59.399 No? 1157 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:02.760 There are some that wish we'd just drop off the 1158 01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:07.039 end of the earth and go away, but that's not 1159 01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:10.000 going to happen, and they know it's not going to happen. 1160 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:13.680 The last thing you ever want to do is talk 1161 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:17.560 about protecting them. They don't need protection. If anybody needs protection, 1162 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:24.800 we do from ourselves. Yeah, you look at their modus operendi, 1163 01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:28.760 the way they live. They're not territorial. They do not 1164 01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:35.720 create and defend the territory, all right. Number two, they 1165 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:39.560 mate monogamously, and they mate for life. Even if they're 1166 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:45.920 midlife and one of the mats dies, probably they won't remate. Okay. 1167 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:52.760 Number three, they understand spirituality and religion. They're spiritual, but 1168 01:13:52.840 --> 01:14:01.399 they're not religious. If you take those items there out 1169 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:09.199 of our history, how many wars if we have avoided. Okay, 1170 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:13.560 that's that's the key. That's the key. There are very 1171 01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:18.520 peaceful people. They will defend themselves and they will vigorously 1172 01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:23.680 defend their family. But at they're treated with respect, there 1173 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:28.359 is no problem whatsoever. If you have to, I have 1174 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:32.000 to catch one out and the open don't pursue. Let 1175 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:35.520 him go away, say thank you for suing yourself to me, 1176 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:41.199 and have a wonderful day, and they will they will 1177 01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:43.680 come back to you. I guarantee you they will come 1178 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.600 back to you if you learn to treat them with respect. 1179 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:50.640 I agree with that. Yes, the whole. 1180 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:55.560 World needs more respect. Yeah, I mean that's the one 1181 01:14:55.600 --> 01:15:02.520 thing lacking in this world. Somebody asked in a post 1182 01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:07.600 on Facebook one day, what's the difference between the nineteen 1183 01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:14.680 fifties and the twenty twenties as respect number one? Respect? 1184 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:20.800 And it really is. If you don't have respect, you 1185 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:25.920 don't have anything. It's so important. And if you extend 1186 01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:29.920 that respect to everything, you'll notice your life improving a lot. 1187 01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:38.479 Absolutely, we're going to go to a commercial real quick, 1188 01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:40.319 but when we come back, I want to ask you 1189 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:44.319 about the very symbols and the structure that we come 1190 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:50.000 across in nature. What do you believe or meanings are? 1191 01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:54.640 But yeah, we're going to go to a commercial real 1192 01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:58.720 quick for the next three minutes, and let's talk about 1193 01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:01.359 some of these structures and they may relate to what 1194 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:05.119 you're just talking about. When it comes to respect, we'll 1195 01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:07.119 get to that very shortly. Let's go to a commercial 1196 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:10.760 real quick, and we'll be back very shortly. Dcbro Bigfoot 1197 01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.680 Radio fans it's time to grab your pens, your calendars 1198 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:17.800 and start writing down these dates for these upcoming events. 1199 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:21.800 In the twenty twenty five year, February eighth, the ECBRO 1200 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:25.840 is hosting a big Foot in Lunch gathering in Lexington, Virginia, 1201 01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:29.720 happening at the Legendary Eats Cafe. If you have a 1202 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.359 Bigfoot story, or if you're just a fan of Bigfoot 1203 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:34.079 and you want to learn what's going on with the 1204 01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:37.159 DCBRO and I know who they are and what they do, 1205 01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:40.840 this event's for you. It's a free event. The only 1206 01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:41.439 thing that is going. 1207 01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:44.199 To cost you if you want to buy off the menu. 1208 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:49.359 And enjoy a delicious meal while you sit among other researchers. 1209 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:52.399 All right. Moving ahead in the month of March. March 1210 01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.520 twenty nine is the pen Ohio hearn olmal con and 1211 01:16:55.680 --> 01:17:00.119 happening at the Timoty Big Woot Center and Cretable, Ohio. Yes, 1212 01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:04.359 that is also sponsored and hosted by mister Bill Rigby. 1213 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:09.279 All Right, jumping ahead into the month of June. Boy, 1214 01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:13.359 do we have some awesome stuff going on in June. Again. 1215 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:15.800 I hope you're marking this down and I'll hope you 1216 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:21.199 prepare yourself to attend these events. June sixth, seventh, and 1217 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:27.399 eighth Happening in Marionville, Pennsylvania, the Forest County big Foot Festival. 1218 01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:33.239 The event that's grown so huge it's unbelievable. You're going 1219 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.199 to want to attend this event. Over one hundred vendors, 1220 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:41.479 food trucks, and guest speakers. This event is something you 1221 01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:44.159 want to attend. Not to mention if you'd like to 1222 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:48.479 go squatching. There is the Allegaty National State Forest nearby. 1223 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:50.399 You're going to want to check that forest out. Is 1224 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:58.239 very squatching. June twentieth and twenty first happening in Where's Ca, 1225 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:02.399 Virginia at the Where's Hay Community Center is the annual 1226 01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:07.279 ECBRO Virginia Bigfoot Conference. Yes, it's right there, being held 1227 01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:11.000 at the Community Center and Where's Hey, Virginia. Both indoor 1228 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:12.119 and outdoor. 1229 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:14.159 Vendors, guest speakers for. 1230 01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.359 An activity and contest for the kids. 1231 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:18.520 You're gonna want to check this out. If you've never 1232 01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:19.479 been to this event. 1233 01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:20.159 It's very fun. 1234 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:22.760 You get to meet up with other light minded people, 1235 01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.239 get to go out and hang out with them in 1236 01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:26.640 the evenings around the fire. 1237 01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:29.600 If you're getting a special invite, you get to have 1238 01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:31.840 a lot more. You're gonna want to check that out 1239 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:34.720 and start becoming a part of that event, because that 1240 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:38.000 is not just in an event, it's like a family gathering. 1241 01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:41.560 That's June twentieth and twenty first, so feel free to 1242 01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:46.079 check that out and ladies and gentlemen. Happening in the 1243 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:51.439 month of June. Also June twenty sixth, twenty seventh, and 1244 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:55.760 twenty eighth happening in Sutton, West Virginia, is the annual 1245 01:18:55.800 --> 01:19:02.199 Western Virginia Bigfoot Festival. Another massive, huge festival with over 1246 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:05.800 one hundred avengers, all kinds of activity and fun and 1247 01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:11.279 contests for kids and people of all ages. Guest steikers, celebrities, 1248 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:13.680 people you're gonna want to get to know, get to 1249 01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.760 meet and learned rome ladies and gentlemen. I hope you 1250 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:19.119 guys are taking the time to mark these dates and 1251 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:22.159 these locations down. If you have any questions regarding any 1252 01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:25.760 of these events, send an email to ECB R O 1253 01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:34.279 ninety eight at gmail dot com. Thank you, Hey, Yeah, 1254 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:37.359 We'll back with the ECBO Big for Radio with our 1255 01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:41.319 guest Tom Contrel. Hey, Tom, thank you for being on 1256 01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:47.239 here and sharing and knowledge you have been uh absolutely 1257 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:49.760 just before we went to commercial. You know, you were 1258 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:54.439 sharing some very interesting stuff. Uh. You know, one of 1259 01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:56.399 the things that has been a big topic with a 1260 01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.119 lot of the stuff I've talked about regardless on podcasts 1261 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:04.960 or improve my research and whatnot. I've come across a 1262 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:08.640 lot of wild stuff in nature, stuff that we can 1263 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.840 relate that we want to contribute to Bigfoot. But in 1264 01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:17.479 your own honest, professional opinion from your observation over the years, 1265 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:23.479 tree structures such as anything that relates to what would 1266 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:30.159 appear to be exformations TV formations and maybe even possible 1267 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:36.039 shelter or things that appear to be sheltered, where would 1268 01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:39.039 you stand on that? Do you believe those are possibly 1269 01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:43.079 Bigfoot related structures? Because I can tell you there's a 1270 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.399 lot of that we come across here in Virginia. 1271 01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:49.840 Yeah. A lot of those are what you'd call a crash. 1272 01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:52.960 That's where the babies put while mom and dad are 1273 01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:58.680 getting their food, gathering food. M okay, Especially the TPE 1274 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:03.039 structures and that type of a deal. That's the baby thing. 1275 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.439 Some of them, some of the larger ones are blinds 1276 01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:13.439 surrounding and they use them very well. One will stay 1277 01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:18.399 in there and another one or two or three will 1278 01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:24.279 kind of just ease the animals along in that direction, 1279 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:27.159 and of course when they pass by there. You know 1280 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.720 how a white tailed deer is that they'll follow the 1281 01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:35.239 same trail their whole life and what he grabs them. 1282 01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:41.520 You know, that's what most of those are. Okay, but yeah, 1283 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:45.479 a crasious what I label most of that type of 1284 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:50.199 structure as I'm not seeing a lot of them. Are 1285 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:57.239 area in British Columbia. Very it's high elevation, the mountains 1286 01:21:57.279 --> 01:22:00.439 around it. You know, they go to eleven twelve thousand feet, 1287 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:07.119 but we're down thirty feet above sea level. Okay, so 1288 01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:12.399 wintertime the beings there all up in the mountains, but 1289 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:16.199 pardon me, summertime they come down with the with the 1290 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:19.359 animals because that's that's their feed. If you want to 1291 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:24.359 find sasquats, find where his feed is, okay, and they will. 1292 01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:29.640 This area where our research area was in BC was 1293 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:33.359 their winter grounds, so there was a huge population in 1294 01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:38.600 there at that time, and they would teach the youngsters 1295 01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:42.359 how to make these structures. We'd go in there at night, 1296 01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:45.720 and it was in a park, which was the funny 1297 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:48.119 part about it. We're gonna talk to the park rangers 1298 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.800 there and they said, yeah, you know, you're not supposed 1299 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.319 to be any structures built in the park. Everything's supposed 1300 01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.680 to be natural. So they would tear them down, go 1301 01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:01.159 back the next one, and they're all built back up again. 1302 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:09.239 So they gave up on that. Wow, as if they do. 1303 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:13.039 They were teaching the youngsters how to build those structures 1304 01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:18.600 and what to do with them. But yes, the structures 1305 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:24.119 all have purpose. The glyphs are what really fascinated us. 1306 01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:29.279 We only learned the direct what basically what it amounts to. 1307 01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.520 If it's for you, you will know it immediately, okay, 1308 01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:36.920 and you'll understand it. If it's not for you, you 1309 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:40.279 won't know because you don't know the context. Take take 1310 01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:44.560 the simple word bow and tell me what it means. 1311 01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:48.359 It can be a ribbon and a hair. It can 1312 01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:50.600 be a bend at the waist. It can be the 1313 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:52.880 front end of a ship or some of the launch 1314 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:55.800 and errow with. If you don't know the context, you 1315 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:59.720 won't know anything. Okay, same thing here. If the glyph 1316 01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.640 is for you, you don't know the context, so you 1317 01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:08.159 have very little chance of ever translating it except you 1318 01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:13.239 can tell what category it is. Is it a personal glyph? 1319 01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:17.359 To identify the individual. Is it a glyph that says 1320 01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:22.159 go this way, it's in our direction of glyph or 1321 01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:26.640 some other type. There's several different categories that way. Some 1322 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:30.079 we know that we'd know the meaning of asterisk as 1323 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:35.199 a symbol of power, okay, And we have one that 1324 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:40.680 we were asked to dismantle because the population was getting 1325 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:44.279 too close to it. But it was a beautiful asterisk 1326 01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:50.800 on the ground and the bottom piece of it was 1327 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:55.840 about eight maybe ten feet long, totally covered in moss. 1328 01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.840 The middle piece a cross piece. First cross piece was 1329 01:24:59.880 --> 01:25:03.640 a about half covered in moss. The top piece had 1330 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.079 no moss on it at all, and it was tied 1331 01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:09.239 in the middle. I still have the It was a 1332 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:13.800 split maple with that was used to as a tie 1333 01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:15.840 around the middle of it, and I still have that 1334 01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:23.079 with I kept it. But what that was was an altar. 1335 01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:27.159 It was meant it was the transition from the old 1336 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:32.039 to the new. The old was clear, totally covered with moss, 1337 01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:36.760 then half covered and then bare the brand new. See 1338 01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:42.600 and right when we got there, right across the middle 1339 01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:45.640 of it was a set of fifteen inch tracks, which 1340 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:47.640 you know, pretty is pretty good evidence of. 1341 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:48.159 Who built it. 1342 01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:54.159 Yeah, Oh, and they use sword ferns a lot in 1343 01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:59.439 this area and they grow profusely there. And I had 1344 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.560 a friend long one time, I go ahead and pick 1345 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:05.880 one of those sword ferns for me, and he started 1346 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:07.800 to try to pick it, and then we're going to 1347 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:10.479 reach for his knife. Cut it as No, I didn't 1348 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:14.000 say cut it as pick it, because everyone you see 1349 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:20.479 around this structure has been picked, not cut. So that 1350 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:24.079 you just learned how much strength that takes to pick 1351 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:29.880 a sword fern because he couldn't do it. And so 1352 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.680 again evidence and who who created the structure to start with? 1353 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:38.560 Always look for extra evidence? 1354 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:48.119 Oh, for sure, that's awesome. I mean some of these structures, 1355 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:52.079 do you believe that we shouldn't really interact with them? 1356 01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:56.039 Or some of them? Some of the things we come across, 1357 01:26:56.079 --> 01:27:00.560 should we stay away or because I stay away. 1358 01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.039 If there's if I think that it's still being used. Yeah, 1359 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:09.119 And I find out a lot with the with the 1360 01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:13.399 crash type where the opening and you can see inside 1361 01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:16.279 is big enough to crawl into. But I don't do that. 1362 01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:19.399 I don't I don't want to leave my scent there. 1363 01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:23.319 They're using that. There's a reason for that. It's theirs 1364 01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:26.439 we're in their house. I wouldn't crawl them go to 1365 01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:29.159 you know, to your house and crawl in your bed 1366 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:35.239 exactly right, you know, I wouldn't crawl them the kid's crib. No, No, 1367 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:38.960 that would be ghosts. So why do it to them? 1368 01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:40.800 Right? That makes sense? 1369 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:45.880 Yeah, I believe they're more intelligent than we are. The 1370 01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:47.960 fact they don't want to have anything to do with us. 1371 01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:50.359 So it goes a long way to prove that that, 1372 01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:51.399 you know. 1373 01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:56.960 Uh, and this goes for anybody, even including myself, to 1374 01:27:56.960 --> 01:28:00.880 be honest with you. But what when you come across 1375 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:05.600 these verious insurance and structures informations, Uh, mainly what what 1376 01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:10.560 fears and shelters? Uh? What evidence would we. 1377 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:14.239 Look for that we make asserted that they're still being used? 1378 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:20.720 Uh? Freshness of fresh in my area fresh? Uh, sword 1379 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:28.079 ferns in them? Okay, you can tell how old the 1380 01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:31.319 sticks are because they'll straighten it up every time they 1381 01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:34.680 use it, and just you know, you can you can 1382 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.600 tell how old how long it's been there roughly, I 1383 01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:41.880 mean in general and right, you know, or on the 1384 01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:47.560 side of mistake, you know, b be reasonable. It doesn't 1385 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:51.479 hurt us to leave it alone. Ah, where we might 1386 01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:56.319 be hurting somebody else if we don't, right. So, I 1387 01:28:56.359 --> 01:29:02.239 have no trouble leaving leaving stuff like that alone. I 1388 01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:05.520 just I just have too much respect for them to 1389 01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:11.039 go into their house and do things like that. Oh absolutely, 1390 01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:16.680 And it has been that has been well repaid over 1391 01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:18.119 the years, I guarantee you. 1392 01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:24.840 Mhmm uh yeah. A couple of the things before we 1393 01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:28.479 come to a close. Now, Tom, you're author of seven 1394 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:34.159 other books. For those who are listening, is there anything 1395 01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:36.680 that you would like to direct them too that they 1396 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:39.560 should be aware of or that you want to encourage 1397 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:40.439 them to check out? 1398 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:44.359 Depends on where they are in their journey. Okay, there's 1399 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:49.279 books written for all aspects of that, and a lot 1400 01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:52.399 of people don't understand this. But I write some novels too, 1401 01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:57.520 and the novels contain a lot of information about Bigfoot. 1402 01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:04.680 All of that is totally true, but the stories a novel. Okay. 1403 01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:08.600 The reason I do that is so the haters can't hate, 1404 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:12.479 and it frustrates the daylight's out of them, you know. 1405 01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:15.239 And ghosts of Ruby Ridge, I told them, hey, I 1406 01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:18.000 could have made that neo Nachi Colonel gay and he 1407 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.359 couldn't have done a thing about it. You know, I'm 1408 01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:23.680 totally in charge there so and they can't do anything 1409 01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:28.279 about it. But the information is there for people investigating 1410 01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:34.640 Sasquatch to know. Okay, that's one thing. The other thing, 1411 01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:41.680 I've got books at different about different aspects, and some 1412 01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:46.319 of my most popular ones Sasquats are for a new 1413 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:56.560 Man and Sasquatch Face to Face are compilations of sightings 1414 01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:01.520 of encounters and those are very very popular, especially the 1415 01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:04.640 last one, Sashquatch Face to Face. That's why I'm doing 1416 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:09.680 another book of that genre with face to face encounters 1417 01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:17.079 but more uh, more involved with the research methodology involved 1418 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.960 instead of a three page uh we ran into him 1419 01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:24.159 on such and such a date, such and such time, 1420 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:29.239 as you know, this is you know this we we 1421 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:31.319 we have this group that we work and this is 1422 01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:36.159 how we work. This is our logic. And that's that's 1423 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:38.119 the book that I'm working on right now, doesn't even 1424 01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:42.720 have a title yet, but uh it's kid. It's going 1425 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:44.600 to be very very good. It should be out by 1426 01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:54.239 spring and none. But I have again this personal books 1427 01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:58.560 that tell personal stories and get a hold of me 1428 01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:02.560 and ask me individually, tell me where you are, and 1429 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:06.199 I'll make a personal recommendation to you. I do that 1430 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:12.279 at conferences all the time. I go to conferences, sometimes 1431 01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:15.399 often astley, when I'm not even a speaker, But I 1432 01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:19.640 go because I want to be a resource for people. Yeah. 1433 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:23.640 It's amazing how I can sit there at my table 1434 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:28.479 and somebody will stop clear across the walkway from me. 1435 01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:34.520 Are these things really real? Yeah, they're really real. Have 1436 01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:38.800 you seen them? Yes, I've seen them. I've dealt with them. Well, 1437 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:40.840 let me tell you what happened to me in such 1438 01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:44.239 and such, And before you know it, they're right next 1439 01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:46.880 to your table telling you all about the encounter they had. 1440 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:53.359 Oh. Absolutely, I love that. I get that very. 1441 01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:57.119 Yeah, and that cool the way they do that. Yeah, 1442 01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:00.760 And that's why. That's why I go to conferences. It's 1443 01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:06.720 not for self aggrandizement or whatever. It's just because that's 1444 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:11.319 what I love to do, is help people with their situation. 1445 01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:16.840 I was at you talked about Russell Acord. I was 1446 01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:20.960 at his conference in Kennewick, Washington, first year he had it, 1447 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:24.000 I think I think the first year, because he had 1448 01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:27.239 spent all this time I had a conference in the 1449 01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:30.319 area of the year prior, and he spent all that 1450 01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:35.800 time with me seeing how I did it, and I 1451 01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:40.920 had breakfast with Bob Gimblin and I am very fortunate 1452 01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:43.439 you could be able to call Bob one of my 1453 01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:48.399 best friends in the world. The man is fantastic. If 1454 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:50.720 you don't know him and get to know him, he's 1455 01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:56.199 out of this world. And Russell. I was at Russell's 1456 01:33:56.239 --> 01:34:01.279 conference and I was speaking there, but I had a 1457 01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:04.199 table and all of a sudden, I heard my name 1458 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:13.399 being yelled clear across the Amphitheator, Tom Tom, and just 1459 01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:16.880 this girl was just running as hard as she can. 1460 01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:21.319 And you know, my eyes opened and she just made 1461 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:23.560 a leap and grabbed me around the neck and was 1462 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:27.199 hugging me. You saved my life. You saved my life. 1463 01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:32.640 And it was I was I was in shock. I 1464 01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:35.600 really didn't know what was happening. It kind of ruined 1465 01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:38.000 the mood when her husband followed a little bit later, 1466 01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:45.960 but uh no, that's just Jo. Turned out she'd had 1467 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:52.279 an experience. She was from way up by a, Calgary, Canada, Alberta, Canada, 1468 01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:56.279 and she had to come to this conference because she 1469 01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:59.640 knew I was going to be there to tell me personally. 1470 01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:03.279 She'd had an experience and it shook her up so 1471 01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:05.960 bad she didn't know whether she was going to survive 1472 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:09.600 it or not. Her husband said that she was under 1473 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:12.960 care from it until she read in one of my 1474 01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:17.000 books the same thing happened, and it was all right. 1475 01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:22.680 I made it all right. She understood then, And I 1476 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:26.239 got to think that when you're treating of affecting people's 1477 01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:29.479 lives like that, you'd better make sure what you're saying 1478 01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:36.359 is absolutely right. You know, don't hate, don't hate. You know, 1479 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:42.000 not only that since nineteen fifty eight to twenty twenty five, 1480 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:44.399 it'll be the end of the year. But you know, 1481 01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:48.159 that's a long time, what sixty seven sixty eight years. 1482 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:48.920 And. 1483 01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:55.279 If I were ever caught it'll lie, it would ruin 1484 01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:02.000 that much, that many years of research, because once once 1485 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:05.000 a person is caught in one lie, it makes everything 1486 01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:11.199 they say suspect, right, right, So you've got agree, you've 1487 01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:17.119 got to maintain your professional integrity. If I say, if 1488 01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:21.399 I'm talking about something controversial, I'll say, in my opinion, 1489 01:36:22.600 --> 01:36:27.720 and everybody's entitled to their own opinion, right, that's true. Okay, 1490 01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:31.600 in my opinion, this is what it is, or it 1491 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.640 appears to be this. But no, I'm not going to 1492 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:37.079 say it is unless I have good enough proof to 1493 01:36:37.119 --> 01:36:42.880 say it is, And I wish everybody else would do 1494 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:47.479 the same thing. Unfortunately, AI is going to be. 1495 01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:51.199 Terrible for us. 1496 01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:59.399 But then photographs never have been proof anyway, because there's 1497 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:03.720 so much you can do to manipulate photographs. Uh there, 1498 01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:08.520 a photograph is no better than the reputation of the 1499 01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:09.840 person who presented it. 1500 01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:17.079 Right Ever, I agree, and uh yeah, I've been in 1501 01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:22.960 actually recent discussions with others uh on and off, you know, 1502 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:27.439 AI itself. Those who don't understand what AI is are 1503 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:34.640 official intelligence is both taking over you know, the reality 1504 01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:38.560 of what we see on social media nowadays. I mean, 1505 01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:43.439 especially when it comes to bigfoot or even other subjects. 1506 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:48.439 I mean AI video, is AI pictures, AI videos. I 1507 01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:51.159 mean some of the some of these videos I've seen, 1508 01:37:52.319 --> 01:37:57.760 for example, not even with bigfoot, cryptis AI videos. I 1509 01:37:57.760 --> 01:38:00.960 mean that could look like a young model talking and 1510 01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:05.720 performing or talking over presenting something just to get you 1511 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:10.039 lured in. I mean, they have done such a good job. 1512 01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.920 I mean there's imperfections, and there's there's a lot of 1513 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.079 stuff you can look at. If you know what you're 1514 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.039 looking for, you could identify AI from reality. But they've 1515 01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:25.159 gotten so good. Shoot, sell the stuff that A lot 1516 01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:28.520 of these fake bogus pages on social media will present 1517 01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:33.680 AI images of these young female athletics, artists. 1518 01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:35.439 Or models or whatever you want to call them. 1519 01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:40.319 Yeah, it looks enticing, it looks good, but there's always 1520 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:43.600 an imperfection, and even if you can't identify it, stop 1521 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:47.880 believing everything you see on social media. 1522 01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:51.960 But that you know people last, is that real. This 1523 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:55.520 is what difference would make if you are one, that's 1524 01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:59.479 what you would see, right, Okay, The first thing I 1525 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.119 do is what we were talking about before, And remember 1526 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:07.560 one days check that ratio. Okay, if somebody is smart 1527 01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:10.520 enough with their AI didn't know to do that, then 1528 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.000 you won't be able to tell. But most of the 1529 01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:16.399 people aren't. They have no idea what it is, and 1530 01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:18.800 it is taught in the Natomi one oh one in 1531 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:20.479 every university in the country. 1532 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:31.000 Absolutely absolutely, well, Tom, I really wish we could keep 1533 01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:33.720 it on going right now, but I want to give 1534 01:39:33.720 --> 01:39:37.680 you this opportunity for the listeners. Is there anything you 1535 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:40.920 want the listeners to know, because I definitely want to 1536 01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:44.479 have you on again, But you know, I. 1537 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:48.359 Think we discussed that with the respect. Then please have 1538 01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:52.479 respect even to like I say, even to taking pictures. 1539 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.199 I'm going to take some photographs now, Is that all right? 1540 01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:57.479 You know, if you don't want to be them to 1541 01:39:57.479 --> 01:40:04.119 stay hidden, then see what happens. Go from there. Just 1542 01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:08.800 be respectful, treat the outdoors with great respect, and treat 1543 01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:13.119 them with even more respect. Okay, you're going to find 1544 01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:18.079 out in time and a short time, just how important 1545 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:22.640 they are to our survival. The first thing that my 1546 01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:29.840 teacher taught me, I says, why are you contacting me? 1547 01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:34.960 What is it that I need to say to do 1548 01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:38.319 for you? He says, for the first time in the 1549 01:40:38.399 --> 01:40:41.439 history of man, and this is back in September of 1550 01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:44.840 twenty ten, he is for the first time in the 1551 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:48.920 history of man, man has the ability to destroy our 1552 01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:56.079 world without firing a shot from his big guns. And 1553 01:40:56.119 --> 01:41:00.279 I looked at us, How what are we talking about? 1554 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:08.159 We're destroying the sea we come from, He says. Your 1555 01:41:08.279 --> 01:41:11.520 media makes a big deal out of cutting the tree 1556 01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:17.439 and losing oxygen. That doesn't happen. If you cut a tree, 1557 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:25.640 grass grows, The tree grows back the oxygen unless you 1558 01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:33.640 pave it, oxygen keeps being generated. Number one. Number two, 1559 01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:37.520 trees only generate oxygen a few months of the year. 1560 01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:46.079 Evergreen trees like three months a year. Number three, All 1561 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:50.840 the land masses only account for thirty percent of the 1562 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:56.640 oxygen we use. Seventy percent of it comes from photosynthesis 1563 01:41:56.760 --> 01:42:03.279 in the oceans and by killing off the major predators. 1564 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:08.199 You know what happens if you take the teacher out 1565 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:12.760 of the out of the classroom, the kids go wild 1566 01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:14.279 and they. 1567 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:18.119 Eat everything in sight, right, absolutely. 1568 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:22.640 Okay, When they do that, everything goes out of whack. 1569 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:28.279 When it goes out of whack, we lose eighty seventy 1570 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:36.279 to eighty percent of our oxygen. That's what they're worried about. Right, 1571 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:38.279 makes a big difference, doesn't. 1572 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:41.680 It, and our role they're still they've. 1573 01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:49.159 Got a program on TV glorifying the roof in tuna fishing. 1574 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:53.720 And they don't know today if they stop fishing entirely 1575 01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:57.920 for bluefish tuna, if they could survive, or if they'd 1576 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:00.600 been overfished to the point they would die out anyway, 1577 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:07.560 Yet they've got a TV show for glorifying it. Oh yeah, 1578 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:12.640 the majors. We kill the sharks to take what their 1579 01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:20.119 fins nothing else, or their cheet yeah, or their teeth. Yeah, yeah, 1580 01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:24.359 that's all right, where's the respect in that? 1581 01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:29.319 Exactly? It's sad, but that's very true. 1582 01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:33.920 Yeah, exactly, So please understand that and work from that 1583 01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:39.960 aspect and learn respect in everything. I'm always available to talk. 1584 01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:46.079 I told you my my website, my name dot com. 1585 01:43:46.479 --> 01:43:48.239 You can get a hold of me through there. I've 1586 01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:51.479 got a direct link to my email. You get a 1587 01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:55.560 hold of me under my my on Facebook. I very 1588 01:43:55.600 --> 01:44:01.000 cleverly disguise myself under my own name. Uh, somebody's aren't 1589 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:01.640 you worried about? 1590 01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:01.720 So? 1591 01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:02.520 What's something we'll do? 1592 01:44:02.720 --> 01:44:02.760 No? 1593 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:04.800 I don't care what I'm trying to do. 1594 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:06.239 Exactly. 1595 01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:08.239 I maybe one years old. What are they going to 1596 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:11.079 do to me? Yeah? 1597 01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:14.199 Yeah, and exactly if I. 1598 01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:17.199 Was fifty one wouldn't make any difference. I might be 1599 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:23.600 more prone to boots and tail. But but the point is, 1600 01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:26.279 if I've got something to say, I wouldn't say it. 1601 01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:32.119 And everyone knows that. I try to be beholding and 1602 01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:39.199 fair to everybody. But I can't abide idiots. I'd never 1603 01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:42.640 have learned that. But I want to thank you so 1604 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:45.000 much for having me on. This has been an absolutely 1605 01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:47.119 great time here. 1606 01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:50.479 Oh my Gosha, I love having you on here. This 1607 01:44:50.600 --> 01:44:55.920 has been awesome, and I wanted to bring something up 1608 01:44:55.960 --> 01:45:00.399 to you because there's others I've interviewed and I'll I've 1609 01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.600 known for some period of time, including those who are 1610 01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:08.319 part of my research seme. You know, a couple of 1611 01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:11.279 those who are involved with my research team, and you know, 1612 01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:14.359 they have yet to have their own experiences, but they 1613 01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:17.039 get out there, they're there, they camp with me, they 1614 01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:21.319 explore and nature and uh. And some of these individuals 1615 01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:24.800 like my grand friend, you know, a couple of good 1616 01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:31.039 friends of mine, but one in particular. Uh. You know, again, 1617 01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:34.000 they don't have big for experiences, but they have a 1618 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:38.920 lot of grounded knowledge on wildlife as well as I 1619 01:45:39.039 --> 01:45:40.159 do over the years. 1620 01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:44.720 But these individuals they're probably they're just you know, they're 1621 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:47.119 not much. They're a little younger than you, but you know, 1622 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:51.840 they're like, I have a lot of respect for. 1623 01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:54.560 These individuals because you know, they're not out there to 1624 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:57.000 make things up when they're out there with me, because 1625 01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:02.920 they're they're retired from law enforcement, they're retired from the military. 1626 01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:06.680 I mean, if they see things and experience things, I 1627 01:46:06.720 --> 01:46:10.560 know when if they ever see things without me, I'm 1628 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:12.960 going to trust them because of their background, you know, 1629 01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:15.920 that's right, that's right, you know, and they're you know, 1630 01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:21.239 I like to believe they're skeptics, but they're not skeptics 1631 01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:24.199 because they believe in Bigfoot, but yet they just never 1632 01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:27.039 experienced big pot like I have. Oh you have? 1633 01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:31.399 You know, Yeah, I don't mind skeptics. I'd rather enjoy 1634 01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:34.239 they keep you straight. Sue Brian's white. 1635 01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:34.960 Uh. 1636 01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:39.199 When we were doing our glyphs study, you know, she, 1637 01:46:39.479 --> 01:46:42.760 you know, she was the greatest thing we had because 1638 01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:46.880 Brian and I'd get excited over something. She said, Okay, yes, 1639 01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:50.439 I understand they do this, but what makes you think 1640 01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:52.239 they did this one? 1641 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:53.000 Right? 1642 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:56.840 Okay? Right back there. Then you have to go looking 1643 01:46:56.880 --> 01:46:59.760 for that evidence we were talking about earlier. That for 1644 01:46:59.880 --> 01:47:04.039 the evidence to make sure yes they did this one. 1645 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:09.640 And you know, she wasn't she wasn't negative, but she 1646 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:14.039 just wanted to make sure that we were positive, right, okay. 1647 01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:20.800 And it helps so much. That's that's that's necessary. On 1648 01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:26.880 my website also, I've got several essays there on Sasquatch, 1649 01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:31.560 some just general essays. I talk about some of my 1650 01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:37.479 time in the Navy and other things. And it's just 1651 01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:40.800 you're welcome to browse it. Get a hold of me 1652 01:47:40.840 --> 01:47:44.039 if you want to. If you have questions, don't hesitate. 1653 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:48.159 I'm always available. We'll always answer. If you had liked 1654 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:50.840 my books, they're available there and I'll sign them and 1655 01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:53.039 ship them off to you as quick as I can 1656 01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:56.239 get the post office. I have to ride my scooter 1657 01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:58.399 down her back, so it's got to be a little 1658 01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:00.680 warmer than it has been the last few days there. 1659 01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:03.439 But yeah, it's been pretty cool here on the East Coast. 1660 01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:08.960 We're not we're I mean, we're bright, bright sunshine, but 1661 01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:09.720 it's been. 1662 01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:11.720 Cold and oh for sure. 1663 01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:17.039 Yeah, and so but you know, I've got some books 1664 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:18.920 to take out tomorrow. Now I'm going to make a 1665 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:22.479 run tole the post office and it's about a half 1666 01:48:22.520 --> 01:48:26.359 hour round trip for me in my little xcooter and 1667 01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:29.520 it's fun to do, provided I don't get run over 1668 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:35.479 to crosswalk again like I did a couple of months ago. 1669 01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:38.560 I tell you what, Tom, I know, I know you're 1670 01:48:38.600 --> 01:48:41.359 eighty one years old, you know, but you know't I'm 1671 01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:43.560 going to throw it out there to you. I mean, 1672 01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:46.119 it would be awesome if you can do it, which 1673 01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:48.920 if you can't, I totally understand, and I get it. 1674 01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:53.560 But you know, our group camp out. And you know, 1675 01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:57.359 I host a group camp house every spring and every May, 1676 01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:01.760 excuse me, every spring and every fall. Our next group 1677 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:04.920 pick camp out there I'm hosting. Actually it's right here 1678 01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:08.840 in the state of Virginia. But I want to throw 1679 01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:12.000 it out there again. I understand, you know, I know 1680 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:15.920 travel expenses, you know, especially right now, things are expensive 1681 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:19.279 to begin with, and because of your health, I get it. 1682 01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:22.840 But you know, I'm going to throw it out there regardless. 1683 01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:25.920 But if you're able to, if you if you're if 1684 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:29.039 you wanted to or are able to do it, the 1685 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:31.920 invite is out there if you could come out. Our 1686 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:35.760 group camp out is happening in May, May eighteenth of 1687 01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:40.039 the twenty fourth breaking in Virginia. It's primitive camping. But 1688 01:49:40.119 --> 01:49:42.079 you know, we we have a good group that comes. 1689 01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:46.640 Out with us. You know, my good friends and Melissa 1690 01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:47.439 and David. 1691 01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:52.600 Lester, you're retired law enforcement in military. They have their 1692 01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:57.079 double double. They're basically double retired from the army in 1693 01:49:57.319 --> 01:49:58.880 law enforcement here in Virginia. 1694 01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:03.560 And uh, these are individuals, you know, they're just a little. 1695 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:06.720 Younger than you. You know, I think David is sixty 1696 01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:10.359 five sixty six years old. His wife Melissa she's a 1697 01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:14.279 little younger than him. Uh bless her heart. She's just 1698 01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:18.119 been going through some uh surgery and everything for her cancer. 1699 01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:20.359 But things are looking on the plus side off for 1700 01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:24.359 her already. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, and I have 1701 01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:27.760 others who associate with me, uh that are a part 1702 01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:31.359 of my research sene directly here in Virginia. That's some 1703 01:50:31.399 --> 01:50:34.680 of them have had big foot sightings and your experiences. 1704 01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:37.520 Well, I wish I could do that. That would be 1705 01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:40.479 so wonderful if I if I got down on the 1706 01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:43.680 ground and the sleeping day, it'll take heavy equipment to 1707 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:44.479 give me back out. 1708 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:49.640 Oh, trust me, you know, I totally get that. You know, 1709 01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:52.720 even though most of us can camp, I mean I 1710 01:50:52.800 --> 01:50:58.239 can't camp. I have to use a a car. I can't. 1711 01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:00.520 I don't sleep directly on the Great because I have 1712 01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:04.520 a bad back at my knees are awful, you know 1713 01:51:04.560 --> 01:51:05.039 what you mean. 1714 01:51:06.039 --> 01:51:09.520 But uh, in August, I've got one of the fellows 1715 01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:14.279 was bringing a trailer. That's what I'll be sleeping in. Okay, 1716 01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:16.079 if I can get in it, I'll be. 1717 01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:21.640 Yeah. Yeah. We had an older couple that came down 1718 01:51:21.680 --> 01:51:23.239 camp from whether it was back in. 1719 01:51:23.199 --> 01:51:27.319 October of the previous year, they came. 1720 01:51:27.199 --> 01:51:30.920 Down from Pennsylvania and uh, yeah, they came down driving 1721 01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:33.199 a pickup truck and they brought their they brought their 1722 01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:36.760 small camper with them, which that's what they lived in. 1723 01:51:37.399 --> 01:51:37.600 Yeah. 1724 01:51:37.800 --> 01:51:41.319 Uh and considering it worked on perfect because you know, 1725 01:51:41.399 --> 01:51:44.039 they had you know, they had a generator hooked up 1726 01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:46.359 to it because they had heat. Back when we came 1727 01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:49.720 down in October, it was cold. We actually I wasn't 1728 01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:52.920 expecting that much cold temperance, but we had like we 1729 01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:55.720 were getting down at the low twenties, teens and whatever, 1730 01:51:56.520 --> 01:52:01.600 and uh, but yeah, they came, they came prepared. Meanwhile, 1731 01:52:01.640 --> 01:52:04.079 the rest of us were ten camping and had whatever 1732 01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:08.079 we had to keep it warm. But I mean, my 1733 01:52:08.079 --> 01:52:09.640 my tent I had, you know, cause I guess a 1734 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:12.640 good sleeping bag. I have sleeping bags that made for 1735 01:52:12.720 --> 01:52:16.119 their vehicled weather, all the good stuff. 1736 01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:20.039 I used to have all of that. I had a 1737 01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:24.880 great tent and I had a I had a air mattress. 1738 01:52:24.920 --> 01:52:29.439 It was about sixteen inches high. Sue called that my 1739 01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:35.560 princess mattress. So I wouldn't do it, so I wouldn't 1740 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:35.960 be the. 1741 01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:37.840 Right. 1742 01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:42.279 Oh I can't. I mean I could go on for 1743 01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:46.159 hours talking about our experiences in camp. 1744 01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:50.199 And oh for sure great people. And that's another reason 1745 01:52:50.279 --> 01:52:52.560 why I want to have you on here. You know, 1746 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:56.960 I do I do uh round table discussions where I 1747 01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:01.199 have like a couple of my research members and you 1748 01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:04.720 know a couple others, uh where we're getting to talk 1749 01:53:04.760 --> 01:53:08.800 about everything in between bigfoot and camp house and and 1750 01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:12.840 you know, thoughts and theories, you know, or even if 1751 01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:15.800 showing sharing experiences along the way. 1752 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:17.720 But we love to have a good time. 1753 01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:20.800 It's you know, I feel like it's important for us 1754 01:53:20.840 --> 01:53:25.079 to share and compare stories or experiences and all the 1755 01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:25.840 good stuff. You know. 1756 01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:28.760 We didn't even get into with the heating they've done 1757 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:32.960 on me. What's that If we didn't even certain touch 1758 01:53:32.960 --> 01:53:35.359 scratch the surface on the heating they've done on me, 1759 01:53:36.279 --> 01:53:39.239 I wouldn't here today if it went for them. 1760 01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:43.119 Well next time, Oh absolutely. 1761 01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:49.279 There's a there's a feeder for next time. 1762 01:53:51.720 --> 01:53:54.000 Yeah. I definitely want to get you on here soon again, 1763 01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:59.399 because like I said, I'm not always interviewed eyewitnesses eyewitnesses, 1764 01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:02.000 but yeah, like I said, I get others who've been 1765 01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:06.760 on here with the past. I actually the one one 1766 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:09.880 of the individual I was just talking about my friend David, 1767 01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:12.119 who him and his wife. 1768 01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:15.039 They're both military and law enforcement diary. 1769 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:21.600 And uh, his wife Melissa just survived some surgery through 1770 01:54:21.640 --> 01:54:26.640 her cancer. I tell you what, I think, you would 1771 01:54:26.680 --> 01:54:31.439 love them. You would really get along with them. Uh. Again, 1772 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:35.199 these individuals don't have big Foot experiences, although during one 1773 01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:38.479 a couple of campouts ago, Melissa shared an experience that 1774 01:54:38.560 --> 01:54:40.640 she had right behind her campsite. 1775 01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:40.960 Uh. 1776 01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:44.600 David never heard it, he said he was sound asleep. 1777 01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:48.680 But yeah, she shared a story with me, which I 1778 01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:51.680 believe I know what she heard because I've had that 1779 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:55.359 same experience with the same vocals, you know, a few 1780 01:54:55.439 --> 01:54:59.039 years prior to that, just up just up the road 1781 01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:02.439 from this ticular location where we can't do at that time. 1782 01:55:02.520 --> 01:55:05.479 But I know what's in that research here. I know 1783 01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:09.720 it's in there. And that's another thing making this a 1784 01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:14.359 long story short. The East Coast is highly underestimated. You know, 1785 01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:17.239 everybody hears about the Bigfoot reports and the stories and 1786 01:55:17.279 --> 01:55:19.640 the history over the Pacific Northwest. 1787 01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:22.920 But I could promise you we had them here on 1788 01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:23.640 the East Coast. 1789 01:55:25.279 --> 01:55:26.239 Hey, I'd been there. 1790 01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:26.920 You don't. 1791 01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:28.800 You're preaching the choire there. 1792 01:55:31.319 --> 01:55:34.039 It's just and the thing is not many people. It 1793 01:55:34.119 --> 01:55:36.359 took a while for a lot of people to come forward. 1794 01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:40.560 You know, you got the Appalachian Trail, you got all 1795 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:42.960 these mountain folks out here, and I don't know why 1796 01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:46.600 they kept quiet for so many years, but people over 1797 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:49.760 the years, they got more comfortable because the subject has 1798 01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:52.840 become less tabooed to them, you know, and it's been 1799 01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:56.239 more open to the public, and so people have come forward. 1800 01:55:56.399 --> 01:56:00.479 Even with me. I've had people share stories, uh, mothers 1801 01:56:00.479 --> 01:56:02.880 and daughters driving up in the mountain range, you know. 1802 01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:05.520 And I've had people reach out to me once they 1803 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:09.159 learn about who I am, and then they felt comfortable 1804 01:56:09.279 --> 01:56:11.439 enough to, hey, well let me tell you what I saw, 1805 01:56:12.359 --> 01:56:15.199 you know. And I'm not no one here to judge anybody. 1806 01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:16.920 I'm not here to judge about I want to hear 1807 01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:23.119 your stories, regardless if you're lying or not. But you know, 1808 01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:25.279 we want people to come forward because I think the 1809 01:56:25.319 --> 01:56:30.439 more and more people come forward, the more information we learned. 1810 01:56:30.760 --> 01:56:34.800 It adds pieces to the mysterious puzzle of the whole phenomenon, 1811 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:35.199 you know. 1812 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:40.159 Absolutely, And I've learned about people to watch body language. 1813 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:43.079 I can pretty much tell when somebody trying to pull them. 1814 01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:48.000 A light exactly. Yeah, what's interesting. Right before we did 1815 01:56:48.039 --> 01:56:52.399 this podcast and the recording tonight, I had this phone call, 1816 01:56:52.439 --> 01:56:55.239 which I normally don't answer phone calls that I don't 1817 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:59.319 recognize the number two, but I answer this phone call 1818 01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:02.199 from LL phone. I said, Hello, how you doing, Daniel 1819 01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:05.399 speaker and this young guy I can tell her he 1820 01:57:05.479 --> 01:57:08.239 sounded kind of young, and he started talking to me. 1821 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:11.960 He said, Hey, is this Daniel Bin I said, yes, yes, speaking. 1822 01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:14.720 How can I help you? 1823 01:57:15.640 --> 01:57:18.319 He said, I'm so and so blah blah blah. I 1824 01:57:18.359 --> 01:57:23.079 came across your number online, probably my website because I 1825 01:57:23.119 --> 01:57:27.520 don't post it, probably everywhere. So he came across my website, 1826 01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:30.239 which I had a similar website like you do. Mine 1827 01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:35.199 ecbureau founder dot com is my personal website, and I 1828 01:57:35.239 --> 01:57:37.319 do put my number on there and I share you know. 1829 01:57:37.359 --> 01:57:39.800 Of course, the first section on the website. 1830 01:57:39.439 --> 01:57:41.800 Is my bio and who I am, what I've been through, 1831 01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:46.840 my experience, so forth. So I was on this short 1832 01:57:46.920 --> 01:57:51.359 discussion for maybe about five to ten minutes, and this 1833 01:57:51.479 --> 01:57:54.920 guy wanted to hear. He wasn't a bit put I 1834 01:57:55.039 --> 01:58:00.560 witnessed himself, but at the same time he was like 1835 01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:04.760 somebody he wanted to hear stories and it's like, well, 1836 01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:06.479 I got my own story. I got a couple of 1837 01:58:06.520 --> 01:58:08.800 different stories, but you know, I don't. I said, my 1838 01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:11.760 story has been told numerous times over on various podcasts 1839 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:15.319 as I've been a guest, you know. But I told him, 1840 01:58:15.319 --> 01:58:17.199 I said, well, I'm getting ready to start a podcast 1841 01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:19.359 right now, and blah blah blah. 1842 01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:22.159 But yeah, he seemed pretty cool. 1843 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:23.399 You know, but it's uh. 1844 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:26.520 I mean I get that every time every now and then, 1845 01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:28.680 because I do. I have cards I put out with 1846 01:58:28.720 --> 01:58:32.000 my information on blah blah blah, with my website and 1847 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:38.079 my email because I've learned and reports locally over the 1848 01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:41.720 years that way. But this individuals came across my website 1849 01:58:42.520 --> 01:58:46.159 and because he's like yeah, and he said, I said, 1850 01:58:46.159 --> 01:58:49.000 where are you located? He said, I'm up in Canada. 1851 01:58:49.279 --> 01:58:52.239 Of course. The phone number, the phone number, I want 1852 01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:53.079 to looking at my phone. 1853 01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:59.319 It uh, it confirmed that because I said Ontario, okay. 1854 01:59:02.520 --> 01:59:04.760 But I was like, yeah, at the times, I'm getting 1855 01:59:04.760 --> 01:59:07.279 ready to start my podcast and blah blah blah, I'm busy. 1856 01:59:07.359 --> 01:59:09.560 I just put my grandson in the bed, you know, 1857 01:59:10.239 --> 01:59:12.039 I said, I don't have much time to really talk, 1858 01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:14.399 but I was trying to gather as much information and 1859 01:59:14.520 --> 01:59:16.920 feel this guy out, you know. I was like, it's 1860 01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:20.920 not often I get these rare random phone. 1861 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:21.239 Call you know. 1862 01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:24.680 So, and usually when I get phone calls, I tend 1863 01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:27.960 not to answer them because some even thoads that appear 1864 01:59:28.039 --> 01:59:31.359 to be local phone calls, most of the time they 1865 01:59:31.439 --> 01:59:37.880 end up being these random foreign telemark something else that 1866 01:59:38.600 --> 01:59:38.840 I have. 1867 01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:43.640 The capability of calling your number and looking local, So 1868 01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:46.720 most of the time I'll let it go to voicemail, 1869 01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:49.920 or if if it is important that they're legit, they 1870 01:59:49.960 --> 01:59:51.479 will even voicemail, you know. 1871 01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:55.399 Yeah, but yeah, I just thought it was interesting that 1872 01:59:55.479 --> 01:59:58.600 the young guy wanted to your stories. He was a skeptic, well, 1873 01:59:59.039 --> 02:00:02.159 he said he wasn't really skeptic, because he gave you 1874 02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:04.920 a quick background on him. He said, look, I used 1875 02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:08.279 to call and be a hoaxer or give the people 1876 02:00:08.479 --> 02:00:13.520 a hard time. But he said, I listened to this 1877 02:00:13.640 --> 02:00:17.439 one guy's phone call and his story some years ago. 1878 02:00:18.119 --> 02:00:21.279 It made me start to think otherwise, you know, Okay, 1879 02:00:21.319 --> 02:00:24.840 I get that, you know, but even at the same time, 1880 02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:26.720 it's like, Okay, this guy wants to try to call 1881 02:00:26.760 --> 02:00:30.680 me again tomorrow night, and as long as I'm not 1882 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:34.399 busy whatever. Yeah, I'll talk to you and I could listen. 1883 02:00:34.760 --> 02:00:39.520 But you know, it's uh, like I've told other people 1884 02:00:39.560 --> 02:00:42.000 with every story and claimed us out there, we got 1885 02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:44.399 to take it as a grain of sell that's right, 1886 02:00:45.319 --> 02:00:48.680 better right, If this guy wants to hear my story, 1887 02:00:48.760 --> 02:00:50.359 I was trying to convince it. I said, Look, I've 1888 02:00:50.359 --> 02:00:53.920 said I've shared my story so many times over the 1889 02:00:54.039 --> 02:00:57.199 years on podcasts. I could directly to the podcast, you know, 1890 02:00:57.279 --> 02:01:00.760 and listen to it. But you know, I like, if 1891 02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:02.520 you really want to talk to me, I'll I'll be 1892 02:01:02.560 --> 02:01:04.920 willing to talk to you, you know. But at the 1893 02:01:04.920 --> 02:01:06.960 same time, in the back of my head, I'm thinking, Okay, 1894 02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:09.640 a lot of these guys are legit and really wants 1895 02:01:09.640 --> 02:01:11.640 to hear a story. I mean, I have no problem 1896 02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:14.680 telling the story. But if he's out there together information 1897 02:01:14.760 --> 02:01:17.239 to make jokes about people, I mean, I don't know me, 1898 02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:20.880 but you know, I'm the type of person like I 1899 02:01:20.920 --> 02:01:23.159 got to really feel this person out, Like I don't know. 1900 02:01:23.079 --> 02:01:25.279 If they are calling from the Ontario. 1901 02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:28.279 I didn't recognize a coach till I start on my phone. 1902 02:01:28.319 --> 02:01:34.039 It's like, Okay, they really are called from Canada, So. 1903 02:01:34.079 --> 02:01:36.760 I was like, okay, yeah, not likely to do that 1904 02:01:36.880 --> 02:01:37.720 on the hopes. 1905 02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:41.319 Right exactly. So I was like, this guy's like really 1906 02:01:41.319 --> 02:01:43.760 wants to hear stories. I was like, I mean, my 1907 02:01:43.880 --> 02:01:46.840 story is is pretty cool, but I don't take it 1908 02:01:46.840 --> 02:01:49.560 as exciting as everybody else I'll listening to, you know. 1909 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:53.439 I mean, I wish I had more detail to sharing 1910 02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:57.279 my in my my situation, but you know, like I 1911 02:01:57.359 --> 02:01:59.960 even told him that my story is not that really exciting. 1912 02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:02.239 But I know what it saw. You know, there's no 1913 02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:05.439 time because I had five other witnesses with me, you know, 1914 02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:09.319 and then plus other experiences in the fourth that I've 1915 02:02:09.359 --> 02:02:13.479 been counted and experienced. But there's only one physical uh 1916 02:02:13.920 --> 02:02:16.359 sighting that I've ever really experienced, and that was in 1917 02:02:16.359 --> 02:02:20.680 twenty fourteen. But you know, but I can tell you 1918 02:02:20.720 --> 02:02:23.359 what I what I know. That's about it. If you 1919 02:02:23.359 --> 02:02:25.399 want to believe it and not believe it, that's up 1920 02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:30.800 to you. That's how That's how I look at it. 1921 02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:38.159 So yeah, but uh, let's see what time. What time 1922 02:02:38.279 --> 02:02:40.000 is probably about seven thirty out. 1923 02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:43.520 Your way in Yeah, yeah, it's just coming on to bedtime. 1924 02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:47.279 Here, Okay, yeah, it's ten thirty four over here. I 1925 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:48.600 just looked up my phone. 1926 02:02:49.439 --> 02:02:53.199 I hit about eight o'clock and read for a couple hours. 1927 02:02:53.479 --> 02:02:55.680 Oh okay, okay. 1928 02:02:55.560 --> 02:02:59.520 Yeah, yeah, all right, well very good reading. 1929 02:03:01.039 --> 02:03:03.920 Yeah. After I do what I do and need, and 1930 02:03:04.079 --> 02:03:06.399 I tend to watch a little TV if I'm in 1931 02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:08.920 the mood for watch TV. Depends on what I have recorded, 1932 02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:12.560 like I watched Like last night, for example, I had 1933 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:16.720 this Are you familiar with who Jack Jack Osborne is? 1934 02:03:17.920 --> 02:03:19.560 Yeah, I know, I know the name. 1935 02:03:20.640 --> 02:03:26.279 Yeah, he's the son of Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah, and well 1936 02:03:26.319 --> 02:03:28.680 he has he's had his own show for quite a 1937 02:03:28.760 --> 02:03:32.039 while now. And I had this one thing recorded last 1938 02:03:32.119 --> 02:03:33.720 night and I said, you know, I got to check 1939 02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:37.119 this out because it was it was called Jack Osborne's 1940 02:03:37.279 --> 02:03:41.239 Night of Terror. It was his big footed condition and 1941 02:03:41.800 --> 02:03:45.239 his buddy also know I never use not that I 1942 02:03:45.399 --> 02:03:47.199 watched it, but I know who he was. He was 1943 02:03:48.039 --> 02:03:52.960 his buddy. Ja Jay excuse me, was the actor from 1944 02:03:53.399 --> 02:03:56.640 you know Jay in the Silent Bob's Adventure whatever it's 1945 02:03:56.680 --> 02:04:00.199 called back in the eighties or nineties, early nineties. Well 1946 02:04:00.199 --> 02:04:04.479 it's okay. Jay was his co host or his partner 1947 02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:06.600 on the show. You know, when they actually went and 1948 02:04:07.159 --> 02:04:12.720 investigated some hotspots out in the state of Idaho. You know. Uh, 1949 02:04:12.920 --> 02:04:15.399 they've even witnessed, you know, they met up with somebody 1950 02:04:15.479 --> 02:04:20.680 witnesses and uh, doctor Mariah Maria whatever her name is 1951 02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:25.560 from the show Expedition. Yeah, she met up with them. 1952 02:04:25.720 --> 02:04:28.880 That was on part of the show. And but I 1953 02:04:29.039 --> 02:04:31.159 was just curious to see how the show goes, you know, 1954 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:34.520 and I really loved it. I really appreciate it because 1955 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:37.760 you know, it wasn't all I mean, it was serious. 1956 02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:40.279 Everything they did was serious, but you know, of course, 1957 02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:44.079 being who they were, you know, they had they added 1958 02:04:44.119 --> 02:04:47.039 some humor to it, which was great because you know, 1959 02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:49.760 most of the documentaries of shows we see based off 1960 02:04:49.800 --> 02:04:52.920 the victim and investigations, everybody said, well, uptight and serious 1961 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:56.399 on everything, right, But at the same time, they were 1962 02:04:56.479 --> 02:04:59.000 taking their what they would do when serious, even when 1963 02:04:59.039 --> 02:05:01.000 they were invested in ating out in the woods. 1964 02:05:00.760 --> 02:05:01.640 In the middle of the night. 1965 02:05:01.920 --> 02:05:05.600 And but I have to say, I have to admit 1966 02:05:05.720 --> 02:05:10.199 that what I watched last night from Jay Osborne, uh yeah, 1967 02:05:10.319 --> 02:05:14.319 Jay Osborne's show. I was very impressed with that. Man. 1968 02:05:14.359 --> 02:05:17.479 This is actually only been watching extras. 1969 02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:20.000 And Big Book because these guys they were, you know, 1970 02:05:20.079 --> 02:05:23.880 they were being themselves. But yet what was experienced was 1971 02:05:24.039 --> 02:05:26.760 what they heard, and you know, they produced some audio 1972 02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:30.439 recordings and because most of the shows that we watched 1973 02:05:30.479 --> 02:05:34.880 on an old planet, uh whatever, it's all entertaining. I mean, 1974 02:05:35.039 --> 02:05:39.079 even though I love watching those shows just like everybody 1975 02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:41.399 else does. But people got to come to realize that 1976 02:05:42.479 --> 02:05:46.439 it's all part of right, it's all part of the 1977 02:05:46.720 --> 02:05:50.520 entertainment industry. They're gonna do what. Yeah, they're gonna do 1978 02:05:50.600 --> 02:05:54.039 what's necessary to keep the viewers watching. People don't understand 1979 02:05:54.079 --> 02:05:57.159 that stuff. Even I have to remember that sometimes because 1980 02:05:57.199 --> 02:05:59.439 I get drawn into the stuff. You know, some of 1981 02:05:59.479 --> 02:06:02.479 the stuff pretty legit. But whatever they're. 1982 02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:10.680 Gonna I tell people, the number one reason for every 1983 02:06:10.800 --> 02:06:15.439 minute of television is to sell advertising and nothing else. 1984 02:06:16.960 --> 02:06:20.399 Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. 1985 02:06:20.439 --> 02:06:22.760 I'm gonna have to call it off here now and 1986 02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:24.840 bid you good night. 1987 02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:28.680 Oh absolutely, all right, thank. 1988 02:06:28.520 --> 02:06:29.840 You so much for having me. 1989 02:06:30.600 --> 02:06:32.880 Oh I can't thank you enough so much for being 1990 02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:36.159 here tonight and talk with me tonight. Send me a 1991 02:06:36.239 --> 02:06:40.039 link when this is up, so I oh, oh absolutely 1992 02:06:40.199 --> 02:06:42.399 it's gonna say yeah, I'll have it up later tonight. 1993 02:06:42.640 --> 02:06:44.439 If you don't. If you don't see it tonight, yeah, 1994 02:06:44.479 --> 02:06:46.720 you'll see it, uh in the morning when you wake up. 1995 02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:49.600 But I definitely got to have you back on here 1996 02:06:50.199 --> 02:06:52.159 with a couple others, you know, joing to one of 1997 02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:53.720 my open discussions on big foy. 1998 02:06:54.640 --> 02:06:56.359 We get it talking about a little bit of everything. 1999 02:06:56.479 --> 02:06:59.880 Sometimes it gets into conspiracy theory, sometimes it gets on 2000 02:07:00.199 --> 02:07:02.560 is random, but we have a good time regardless. 2001 02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:07.199 All right, all right, good night, and thank you very much. 2002 02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:10.600 Absolutely you have a good night, Tom, and thank you 2003 02:07:10.640 --> 02:07:11.479 again for being here. 2004 02:07:12.039 --> 02:07:13.319 You bet you Bye bye now. 2005 02:07:13.840 --> 02:07:20.720 Bye bye DCBRO. Bigfoot radio fans, it's time to grab 2006 02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:24.319 your pens, your calendars and start writing down these dates 2007 02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:28.640 for these upcoming events. In the twenty twenty five year February, 2008 02:07:29.000 --> 02:07:32.119 the ECBRO is hosting a big Foot in lunch gathering 2009 02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:37.359 in Lexington, Virginia, happening at the Legendary Eats Cafe. If 2010 02:07:37.399 --> 02:07:39.279 you have a big Foot story, or if you're just 2011 02:07:39.359 --> 02:07:41.159 a fan of Bigfoot and you want to learn what's 2012 02:07:41.199 --> 02:07:44.199 going on with the DCBRO and I know who they 2013 02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:47.319 are and what they do, this event's for you. It's 2014 02:07:47.359 --> 02:07:49.359 a free event. The only thing that is going to 2015 02:07:49.399 --> 02:07:51.760 cost you if you want to buy off the menu 2016 02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:57.199 and enjoy a delicious meal while you sit among other researchers. 2017 02:07:58.159 --> 02:08:00.279 All right. Moving ahead in the month of March. March 2018 02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:03.920 twenty ninth is a pen Ohio pronomal con and happening 2019 02:08:03.960 --> 02:08:07.840 at the Timomy Biquith Center and Brook Creel, Ohio. Yes, 2020 02:08:08.399 --> 02:08:12.279 that is also sponsored and hosted by mister Bill Rigby. 2021 02:08:13.600 --> 02:08:17.199 All Right, jumping ahead into the month of June. Boy, 2022 02:08:17.399 --> 02:08:21.239 do we have some awesome stuff going on in June again. 2023 02:08:21.680 --> 02:08:23.680 I hope you're marking this down and I hope you 2024 02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:29.079 prepare yourself to attend these events. June sixth, seventh, and 2025 02:08:29.239 --> 02:08:34.920 eighth Happening in Marionville, Pennsylvania, the Forest County big Foot 2026 02:08:34.960 --> 02:08:41.000 festivalet the event that's grown so huge it's unbelievable. You're 2027 02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:43.960 going to want to attend this event. Over one hundred vendors, 2028 02:08:44.479 --> 02:08:49.359 food trucks, and guest speakers. This event is something you 2029 02:08:49.439 --> 02:08:52.039 want to attend. Not to mention. If you'd like to 2030 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:56.359 go squatching. There is the Allegaty National State Forest nearby. 2031 02:08:56.560 --> 02:08:58.319 You're going to want to check that forest out. It's 2032 02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:06.159 very squashing. June twentieth and twenty first happening in Where's Ca, 2033 02:09:06.520 --> 02:09:10.279 Virginia at the Where's Ky Community Center is the annual 2034 02:09:10.520 --> 02:09:14.920 Ecbro Virginia Big for Conference. Yes, it's right there, being 2035 02:09:15.000 --> 02:09:18.279 held at the Community Center and Where's Cay, Virginia. Both 2036 02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:23.479 indoor and outdoor vendors, guest speakers, fun, activity, and contest 2037 02:09:23.560 --> 02:09:25.920 for the kids. You're gonna want to check this out 2038 02:09:25.960 --> 02:09:28.039 if you've never been to this event. It's very fun. 2039 02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:30.640 You get to meet up with other light minded people, 2040 02:09:31.439 --> 02:09:33.119 get to go out and hang out with them in 2041 02:09:33.159 --> 02:09:34.079 the evenings. 2042 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:37.000 Around them fire. If you're you get that special invite, 2043 02:09:37.039 --> 02:09:39.119 you get to have a lot more. You're gonna want 2044 02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:40.920 to check that out and start becoming a part of 2045 02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:43.840 that event because that is not just in an event, 2046 02:09:44.600 --> 02:09:48.359 it's like a family gathering. That's June twentieth and twenty first, 2047 02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:52.520 so feel free to check that out. And ladies and gentlemen. 2048 02:09:53.399 --> 02:09:58.359 Happening in the month of June. Also June twenty sixth, 2049 02:09:58.479 --> 02:10:02.159 twenty seventh, and twenty eight happening in Sutton, West Virginia 2050 02:10:03.000 --> 02:10:07.920 is the annual Western Virginia you have Bigfoot Festival. Another massive, 2051 02:10:08.199 --> 02:10:12.359 huge festival with over one hundred of vendors, all kinds 2052 02:10:12.359 --> 02:10:16.159 of activity and fun and contests for kids and people 2053 02:10:16.199 --> 02:10:20.479 of all ages. Guest sneakers, celebrities, people you're gonna want 2054 02:10:20.479 --> 02:10:23.199 to get to know and get to meet and learn Rome. 2055 02:10:23.800 --> 02:10:25.279 Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you guys are taking the 2056 02:10:25.359 --> 02:10:28.560 time to mark these dates and these locations down. If 2057 02:10:28.600 --> 02:10:31.960 you have any questions regarding any of these events, send 2058 02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:35.359 an email to ecb R O ninety eight at gmail 2059 02:10:35.399 --> 02:10:43.640 dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you mark those calendars. 2060 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:46.119 I hope you mark your calendars because those dates are 2061 02:10:46.279 --> 02:10:50.560 very special. And if you have never attended any Bigfoot 2062 02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:54.520 festival or event or conference, you don't know what you're 2063 02:10:54.520 --> 02:10:58.920 missing because you know these events. When you attend these 2064 02:10:58.960 --> 02:11:01.199 events and you get to meet, like mind an individual 2065 02:11:01.399 --> 02:11:05.359 regardless of their celebrities or not or TV personalities. 2066 02:11:05.560 --> 02:11:08.279 I mean a lot of people that attend. 2067 02:11:08.000 --> 02:11:13.880 These events, they have stories. You know, a lot of 2068 02:11:13.920 --> 02:11:18.800 people that attend these events are locals that you would 2069 02:11:19.319 --> 02:11:23.880 clearly underestimate. But I'm telling you don't answer. Don't underestimate 2070 02:11:23.960 --> 02:11:27.279 anybody that's coming to attendees events because there's people that 2071 02:11:27.439 --> 02:11:30.920 know a lot more than our TV personalities. I mean, 2072 02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:36.000 these events are for those who have experiences and you know, 2073 02:11:36.079 --> 02:11:39.760 for those who like me Daniel Benoit, who is a 2074 02:11:39.800 --> 02:11:43.079 Bigfoot researcher. I take notes and I document a lot 2075 02:11:43.159 --> 02:11:47.760 of these reports. And that's why attending these events, you 2076 02:11:47.840 --> 02:11:50.119 get to meet these people, get to know these people, 2077 02:11:50.279 --> 02:11:53.520 You get familiar with these people, and you get close 2078 02:11:53.560 --> 02:11:56.079 to these people, and you become really good friends with 2079 02:11:56.159 --> 02:12:00.159 these people. So ladies and gentlemen don't ever under us 2080 02:12:00.199 --> 02:12:04.800 to make the people at these events, you know. So 2081 02:12:04.920 --> 02:12:08.359 I'm promoting these events because these events and not just 2082 02:12:08.439 --> 02:12:11.319 because of friends I know or those who are putting 2083 02:12:11.359 --> 02:12:16.520 on these events. These are events that we welcome everybody 2084 02:12:16.600 --> 02:12:19.960 to come share their stories and their encounters. We'll learn 2085 02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:24.319 more from others because as a Bigfoot researcher who's been 2086 02:12:24.359 --> 02:12:28.359 involved with us for over fifteen years. Yes, I'm featured 2087 02:12:28.399 --> 02:12:33.640 in several different documentaries. I've never been on a TV show. Well, actually, 2088 02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:39.199 I take that back. Yes, I have Bigfoot Today recorded 2089 02:12:39.319 --> 02:12:43.319 out and spoke in Washington over back in twenty twenty one, 2090 02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:48.720 twenty twenty two. I was honored to be flown out 2091 02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:51.720 to Washington Estate to be a part of that TV show. 2092 02:12:53.279 --> 02:12:56.439 But anyway, apart from that, I've been featured in several 2093 02:12:56.479 --> 02:13:00.920 different Bigfoot documentaries based off of my encounters night experiences. 2094 02:13:02.159 --> 02:13:06.199 So ladies, gentlemen, that does not make me a celebrity. 2095 02:13:06.399 --> 02:13:08.399 But you know what, someone who's been out there and 2096 02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:11.880 that's not afraid to put themselves out there. You know, 2097 02:13:12.399 --> 02:13:15.399 I have many experiences over the years. I've done a 2098 02:13:15.439 --> 02:13:18.079 lot of research both in and out of the field. 2099 02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:21.079 I encourage you to come check this out, learn from 2100 02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:27.359 those who've studied. You know, not every celebrity out there 2101 02:13:27.800 --> 02:13:29.960 is out there put the name out there just to 2102 02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:33.479 get It's not a popularity contest. I can tell you 2103 02:13:33.560 --> 02:13:37.560 that it's not a popularity contest. But there's some of 2104 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:39.920 us out there that have done so much research and 2105 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:43.720 studies both in and out of the field where we 2106 02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:47.000 put ourselves out there. It's such as myself to spread awareness. 2107 02:13:47.439 --> 02:13:51.000 There's information out there that we want people to understand 2108 02:13:51.039 --> 02:13:54.439 and know and learn based off of our conclusion and 2109 02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:59.720 also observations. So with that being said, ladies and gentlemen, 2110 02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:03.560 these events, you'll find me at these events. You will 2111 02:14:03.640 --> 02:14:07.079 find me at these events, and as far as ecb 2112 02:14:07.199 --> 02:14:10.279 R O big for Radio, Ladies and gentlemen, spread the 2113 02:14:10.359 --> 02:14:12.960 word because it's only going to get bigger. It's only 2114 02:14:13.000 --> 02:14:15.000 going to get huge. We want you to be a 2115 02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:18.880 part of this show and follow me on Facebook and 2116 02:14:18.960 --> 02:14:23.079 all the social media social media platforms. You want to 2117 02:14:23.119 --> 02:14:25.800 check out my website. E C b r O Founder 2118 02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:30.520 dot com. Again, that's e C b r OH founder 2119 02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:34.399 dot com and I'm your host of the e C 2120 02:14:34.560 --> 02:14:37.800 b r O Annual Virginia Bigfoot Conference That's Happened. That 2121 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:42.359 happens every June in the state of Virginia. So, ladies 2122 02:14:42.359 --> 02:14:45.079 and gentlemen, keep the squatchy and I hope to hear 2123 02:14:45.159 --> 02:14:47.319 from you. I hope that you continue to follow our 2124 02:14:47.399 --> 02:14:52.640 radio program and share around, spread awareness and be a 2125 02:14:52.720 --> 02:14:56.640 part of the program. Keep it squatching, my friends, until 2126 02:14:56.680 --> 02:15:02.319 next time. This is Daniel bin Waugh, founder of the 2127 02:15:02.399 --> 02:15:07.840 ECBRO Wildlife and Bigfoot researcher. To the next time,