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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy
Speaker 2: to be here to talk to you about these headlines.
Speaker 1: So happy to have you as well.
Speaker 3: Now let's give the people some context. Where are you
Speaker 3: joining us from? How did you become so on point?
Speaker 3: Because you are one of these people that I just
Speaker 3: came across on the internets who never misses. You've always
Speaker 3: landed on the right side of right, and I'm always.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, exactly, yes, exactly. So can you please tell
Speaker 1: people a little bit yourself. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: So I am joining you from Minneapolis, Minnesota. I am
Speaker 2: a law professor. I teach constitutional law at the University
Speaker 2: of Minnesota. I focus on the First Amendment, speech and
Speaker 2: press through a critical race theory lens, and that means
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time with the ancestors. And
Speaker 2: as long as you spend time with the ancestors, you
Speaker 2: go end up on the right side of history.
Speaker 1: If you spend time with them.
Speaker 2: You heat they lessons, right, you treat them as whole
Speaker 2: human beings, full of nuanced and complexity.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be on the right side. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's part of when you got right over
Speaker 1: your shows. I do.
Speaker 2: I got itavia back there. Look, I got marredin up
Speaker 2: there kind of folks.
Speaker 1: We keep them all together, let's see, I see you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So a lot of what I do is trying to
Speaker 2: think about the way in which democracy is experienced in
Speaker 2: a racialized state, and right now we're at an inflection
Speaker 2: point of that. So I think, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: know it before, but I was being prepared for this moment.
Speaker 2: I have something meaningful to say, so I try to
Speaker 2: use that as best stocking.
Speaker 3: Here's just a random question I'm throwing out to you
Speaker 3: because I was thinking about it this morning. When I
Speaker 3: was on the road this week, someone asked me, well,
Speaker 3: what is gonna be the difference? Because I keep telling
Speaker 3: people like Israel is about to colonize the United States,
Speaker 3: and even if they don't say it that way, that's
Speaker 3: what's actually happening. I don't know if y'all know this,
Speaker 3: but they were flying the Israel flag on the White
Speaker 3: House yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: And also I saw a video the other day of
Speaker 3: somebody I can't remember who it was, but they were
Speaker 3: hugging Donald Trump saying he's the first Jewish president. So
Speaker 3: like this is a real thing happened either, And so
Speaker 3: I told them, I said, well, we're going to experience apartheid,
Speaker 3: but in a much more outward fashion, like they're already
Speaker 3: talking about we're going to have to start carrying our
Speaker 3: passports because IDs are not going to be enough. And
Speaker 3: I said, we are already experiencing a certain level of apartheid,
Speaker 3: first with white people in this nation and the way
Speaker 3: the Justice Department deals with them differently, but also in
Speaker 3: the way that we see Zionis being dealt with differently,
Speaker 3: because the First Amendment rights that are given to Zionists
Speaker 3: are not given to people who are Propoucinian. So have
Speaker 3: you started to kind of expand at all your lens
Speaker 3: under of looking through the racialized lens to include Zionism?
Speaker 2: Meth So, what I tell people is that the United
Speaker 2: States has never not been a racialized apartheid. It's just
Speaker 2: typically been confined to.
Speaker 1: The darkest folks and the folks who.
Speaker 2: And by the darkest folks, I mean black folks, right,
Speaker 2: And so what we're seeing I want people to stop
Speaker 2: treating what we're seeing as an aberration. The problem is
Speaker 2: just that we don't know this nation's history, and that's
Speaker 2: also on purpose, and so we think how Zionism is
Speaker 2: being treated is somehow an aberration, or the Antifa attacks
Speaker 2: are an aberration. We have never allowed people who were
Speaker 2: pro humanity, who were pro civil rights, who were pro
Speaker 2: human rights to speak freely in this country. It is
Speaker 2: part of the foundational structure. It is part of this
Speaker 2: country's architecture. There's a great line by W. E. B.
Speaker 2: Du Bois where he's testifying in front of Congress and
Speaker 2: he talks about how the United States creates which words
Speaker 2: to stop people from speaking freely. And he says, at
Speaker 2: first the rich word, the witch word, was abolitionists, and
Speaker 2: then it was socialists and communists. And I would argue,
Speaker 2: and that's the climate, the context in which he's speaking
Speaker 2: at that moment, but I would argue that now that
Speaker 2: word is terrorist, Oh absolutely, And so we levy it
Speaker 2: of course at pro Palestine protesters, because we have this
Speaker 2: architecture in place.
Speaker 1: We've just now repurposed it for the moment.
Speaker 2: Right, Even all of the things that Project twenty five
Speaker 2: and I know you're going to get to Project twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six or the revamp of it are doing are
Speaker 2: actually a continuation of the history of this kind of architecture.
Speaker 2: It's just that they fought so hard and been so
Speaker 2: effective at keeping this history out of school, at keeping
Speaker 2: it out of the mainstream media, at keeping it inaccessible,
Speaker 2: that people don't have it to frame what's happening in
Speaker 2: this moment. So it's not actually like we're moving in
Speaker 2: a new direction. It's just that what's been confined to
Speaker 2: the mark and to black folks and to pro human
Speaker 2: folks is now reaching the mainstream, is now migrating to
Speaker 2: the rest of society, and they're trying to establish it
Speaker 2: as the paradigm explicitly in a way that it's historically
Speaker 2: kind of been laundered under the patriotism, under the security banner.
Speaker 1: They're still trying it.
Speaker 2: It's just not as effective, and if it's not effective,
Speaker 2: they'll use brute force. I think that's I think that's
Speaker 2: the difference of anything, is that we're entering up we
Speaker 2: will brute force everyone. We used to just do it
Speaker 2: to black folks and socialists and communists. Now we will
Speaker 2: make you into the person we need to do it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but isn't the new part what they're contextualizing it into.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I never heard of anti
Speaker 3: zion I never heard of anti Semitism, or I never
Speaker 3: heard of anti Semitism as a brute force effort, as
Speaker 3: a brute force tool until the last two years.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I think that certainly this is the latest iteration of it,
Speaker 2: but I think it's important. So why That's what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get at. I keep I feel like people.
Speaker 3: Are really not riding with me on this, and I'm
Speaker 3: I'm right, and I need y'all to understand this because
Speaker 3: the people in these positions are Zionists. Like at one
Speaker 3: point in time, it used to be, oh, everybody's white
Speaker 3: in these positions, and now it's that everybody is a
Speaker 3: Zionist in these positions.
Speaker 1: Like the legal field in the United States is very
Speaker 1: much run by.
Speaker 3: Zionists, right, Like the actual Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: I mean, they may not be Jewish, but they're Zionists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Zionism, right, now the political
Speaker 2: Zionism that you're talking about is the nucleus a Zionism.
Speaker 1: There is sure sure won't disagree Israel right right right,
Speaker 1: right right right, right right right. That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Right Like, if we think about what Israel represents right
Speaker 2: on the global geopolitical stage, it is the culmination of
Speaker 2: what all of these earlier iterations have represented, right is
Speaker 2: it is so so there are three things I argue
Speaker 2: will always provoke the most violent response from the United States.
Speaker 1: And why you didn't see the kind.
Speaker 2: Of violent response at the No Kings protests, right it
Speaker 2: is anti white supremacy, anti militarism, and anti capitalism.
Speaker 1: If you attack any of these three things, and especially.
Speaker 2: If you attack them all, you will provoke the most
Speaker 2: violent response from the state. Right, on many levels, Israel
Speaker 2: functions as a proxy for the United States for those efforts.
Speaker 1: For those pursuits.
Speaker 2: It is when you talk about building what do they
Speaker 2: call it, the riviera or whatever they're talking about building
Speaker 2: in the Gaza strip, When you talk about the defense
Speaker 2: contracts and the amount of money that's flowing over there,
Speaker 2: When you talk about the history of colonialism, when you
Speaker 2: talk about colonization and the eradication of indigenous people. You
Speaker 2: are speaking to the heart of white supremacy. You are
Speaker 2: speaking to the heart of the military industrial complex, you
Speaker 2: are speaking to the heart of capitalism. And so those
Speaker 2: elements of our society are the foundational building blocks of
Speaker 2: this country and have always been, and so anytime you
Speaker 2: are trying to make inroads into reallocating the power that
Speaker 2: has a mass within that structure, you are going to
Speaker 2: provoke the most violent response. The Palestine Israel conflict is
Speaker 2: the latest front of that in our society and one
Speaker 2: that we're all intimately connected to in a way that
Speaker 2: we haven't seen in those past iterations because of how
Speaker 2: social media is functioning, because of the way that the
Speaker 2: Internet has allowed us to connect to one another. But
Speaker 2: you had a I mean, a lot of the things
Speaker 2: that we're seeing deporting people, vilifying people, attacking universities, we
Speaker 2: saw in the early nineteen hundreds and early twentieth century
Speaker 2: with communists and socialist movements. We saw with civil rights
Speaker 2: activists during the sixties, from the forties to the sixties.
Speaker 2: We saw during the Antebellum period with abolitionists. It's just
Speaker 2: that we all weren't watching it unfold on our phones,
Speaker 2: and we didn't have those real on the ground account
Speaker 2: to compare it to the propagandized media machine, political machine
Speaker 2: that was fast at work in a way that now
Speaker 2: we kind of have this to mitigate, which I think
Speaker 2: is making us more engaged, which is why this one
Speaker 2: feels so visceral. This one feels so poignant because we're
Speaker 2: experiencing it in a way that we haven't experienced these
Speaker 2: earlier iterations.
Speaker 1: But this is the United States, United States.
Speaker 3: It is I just I think that we are shortsighted
Speaker 3: in thinking that this is about the United States.
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna say that I agree.
Speaker 3: I think what we I think that that that's the
Speaker 3: thing that I'm trying to get us intellectuals to kind
Speaker 3: of expound upon, is because we're literally seeing Zionists steal
Speaker 3: property in the United States the same way they're doing
Speaker 3: in Palestine. I just saw a man who is uh
Speaker 3: serving time right now for stealing twenty homes. He sold
Speaker 3: twenty people's homes in New York grand larceny, and the
Speaker 3: judge for his next case said, you know what, We're
Speaker 3: gonna give you time served, and so for this for
Speaker 3: these new twenty homes that he's because he already was
Speaker 3: serving time for something else. So now he's serving time now.
Speaker 3: He was on trial for twenty homes that he stole
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, to my understanding, and the judge gave him
Speaker 3: time served, and he's not going to serve a day longer.
Speaker 1: But this also mirrors Donald He's and he's a he's
Speaker 1: a he's doing He's a Zionist. He is a Jews Hionist.
Speaker 2: This also mirrors, though Donald Trump pardoning the home healthcare
Speaker 2: guy who stole the millions of dollars, and then him
Speaker 2: partning the drug trafficker guy from Honduras. And what I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to say, so I would say two things
Speaker 2: back to what you said about about I would say
Speaker 2: one thing in response to the this is not about
Speaker 2: the United States. And one of the ways I think
Speaker 2: that that is really evident. I saw someone on Democracy
Speaker 2: Now summarize this really well, and they were explaining that.
Speaker 1: They were saying that.
Speaker 2: This group of people, the cabal of folks who exist
Speaker 2: for example, around Epstein, are not tethered to a nation
Speaker 2: in the way that they're tethered to each other. They
Speaker 2: use the globe as their terrain right.
Speaker 1: It is not a United States.
Speaker 2: So I think thinking framing it in terms of it's
Speaker 2: not about the United States, and that the United States
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 1: The pinnacle of the pursuit.
Speaker 2: It's just one more hub that these people used to
Speaker 2: operate from, right, and it has the kind of military
Speaker 2: infrastructure that allows them.
Speaker 1: To wield global power.
Speaker 2: Right, And so I think it's important for us to
Speaker 2: think about this in terms of there's no allegiance to
Speaker 2: the United States surviving right. I think that that is
Speaker 2: probably the biggest misconception, is that people believe that there's
Speaker 2: some loyalty or prioritization of the United States making it.
Speaker 1: There is not no right.
Speaker 2: There is a priority for these people to make it,
Speaker 2: and to the extent that they can use the United
Speaker 2: States to advance that, they are inclined to do so.
Speaker 2: Right On the flip side, though, the other reason I
Speaker 2: want to I think you're right about the way Zionism
Speaker 2: is being used. But I think Zionism is being used
Speaker 2: not for the purposes of Zionism itself, but because Zionism
Speaker 2: is such it's so conducive to these other priorities. That's
Speaker 2: why you get the Hondur's President, That's why you get
Speaker 2: the pardons in these other ways. That's why the things
Speaker 2: have been Listen, this is about some fundamental priorities for
Speaker 2: these people in charge, and whatever tools they can use
Speaker 2: to advance that agenda, they will, right, And.
Speaker 3: This their agenda is to be one of the tools, right,
Speaker 3: Like their their agenda is is to take Like it
Speaker 3: sounds very pinky in the brain, but their agenda is
Speaker 3: to take over the world.
Speaker 1: You're run by marble villains. I mean, it's absolutely marble
Speaker 1: villains who are in charge.
Speaker 3: So I just find that as I'm watching these things happen,
Speaker 3: Like even the conversations around Jasmine Crockett, people are like, well,
Speaker 3: why does it matter? Then I see James Talerico, you know,
Speaker 3: on an interview today and it's like, well, I have
Speaker 3: some really good bad news for y'all.
Speaker 1: Both of them are trash. I would go even further.
Speaker 2: I think our focus on individuals is the problem. This
Speaker 2: is why I try to insist, right that this is
Speaker 2: the architecture. These are the leaders it's going to produce.
Speaker 2: You want different leaders, you want different leadership, you want
Speaker 2: a different leadership paradigm.
Speaker 1: You need a different architecture, don't I mean.
Speaker 2: That's why I keep saying, right, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the things that happened, I think about six weeks ago
Speaker 2: is Donald Trump administration. The Trump administration sent out letters
Speaker 2: to a bunch of universities. Brown was one of Vanderbilt
Speaker 2: was another one, and essentially they asked for these universities
Speaker 2: to alleviate any commitment to DEI, to significantly scale back
Speaker 2: the number of international students that they're allowing in, and
Speaker 2: to alleviate things that make people hostile to conservative ideology right.
Speaker 2: And in exchange for doing this and to agree to
Speaker 2: tuition freeze, which which most people agree with. But in
Speaker 2: exchange for doing these things, they will get priority for university,
Speaker 2: for a federal funding for grants or research dollars or
Speaker 2: too loan dollars.
Speaker 1: Everything is quick pro quo. It's unbelievable. All this is.
Speaker 1: It's true, it's true.
Speaker 2: But but what this is essentially saying, and what this
Speaker 2: directly contravenes, is this idea in American society that we
Speaker 2: have a marketplace of ideas, that every idea gets to
Speaker 2: compete equally, and whichever idea is best will prevail. But
Speaker 2: what we actually have and have always had, is a
Speaker 2: very carefully curated set of ideas that we are allowed
Speaker 2: to access, and they are ideas that can have no
Speaker 2: robust competition lest they be eliminated. Right, this is why
Speaker 2: you don't This is why they don't teach about socialism
Speaker 2: and communism in schools. This is why they're the fight
Speaker 2: over how much racism you can talk about, whose perspective
Speaker 2: you can talk about it from.
Speaker 1: Which this is all because in order.
Speaker 2: For white supremacy, capitalism, and the militarism that we have
Speaker 2: to survive.
Speaker 1: It's why King shut out to you.
Speaker 2: It's why King said that they were the three evils,
Speaker 2: because in order for them to survive, you have to
Speaker 2: alleviate competing ideas. So what this administration is doing is
Speaker 2: reluctant as people are to engage with. This fact is
Speaker 2: they're not an aberration or a deviation from our trajectory.
Speaker 2: They are a continuation of it. When they say they're
Speaker 2: trying to reclaim traditions, when they say they're trying to
Speaker 2: bring us back to these American founding ideas, they are
Speaker 2: they're consistent, they're not wrong. And a big part of
Speaker 2: that is inhibiting a free dialogue. Is it inhibiting the
Speaker 2: free flow and exchange of ideas.
Speaker 3: Right, which actually is a great segue into Project twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Right, because I feel like people thought it was just
Speaker 3: like twenty five all the way live, and it's like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: they had more coming for us. Yeah, they have more
Speaker 3: coming for us. And I definitely thought I had transferred it.
Speaker 1: Into my computer.
Speaker 3: So I solve that's a problem that I'm about to
Speaker 3: do it right now, So tell me this, what did
Speaker 3: you When did you find out about Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I think around the same time everybody else found out
Speaker 2: about it, I mean a.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not what everybody else found out about it.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean Kamala didn't start talking about Project
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five till twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Well, let me be clear.
Speaker 2: I don't think when our politicians decide to address something
Speaker 2: publicly is a good metric for when it actually became
Speaker 2: publicly known.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Again, these are people who are ambassadors for a system
Speaker 2: that thrives on deception.
Speaker 3: Right, But there are many people who did not hear
Speaker 3: about it until they heard about it from her because
Speaker 3: they look at them as the source.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got top that. You gotta stop that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so here we are, y'all.
Speaker 3: Heritage Foundations said don't sleep, we got more for you,
Speaker 3: and they have released new fascistic policy. Thank you to
Speaker 3: So Informed for putting this together.
Speaker 1: Some points of.
Speaker 3: Note in their blueprint for twenty twenty six are the
Speaker 3: American family, the dignity of work, and the future of
Speaker 3: free enterprise, which you were just speaking about national security,
Speaker 3: which we need to always put in quotes, because we
Speaker 3: need to put the security in quotes within the quotes,
Speaker 3: because it's.
Speaker 1: Not actually securing the nation.
Speaker 3: It's the same ethos as Israel, where it's we're going
Speaker 3: to cause friction with everybody else and call it securing
Speaker 3: ourselves when really what we're doing is creating a reason
Speaker 3: to make weapons and the American heritage and citizenship. They
Speaker 3: want to eliminate ranked choice voting all together. Do you
Speaker 3: know do you know about rank choice voting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I know a lot of people are
Speaker 2: supporting it as a way to mitigate the kind of
Speaker 2: corruption that we're seeing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, run rampant in our political powerties.
Speaker 3: So ranked choice voting, y'all, and correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 3: because I'm still sometimes a little.
Speaker 1: Shaky on this ranked choice voting.
Speaker 3: To my understanding is when basically they put a number
Speaker 3: of folks that are up for election, and you can
Speaker 3: vote by ranking, so you don't just choose one. You
Speaker 3: can rank who you want in preference, and then that
Speaker 3: is narrowed down by how many people ranked a certain
Speaker 3: person by one, how many people ranked a certain person
Speaker 3: by two. So that is why when mom Donnie was
Speaker 3: in the primary, everyone was like, rank him as one,
Speaker 3: rank him as one.
Speaker 1: Because that would push him through.
Speaker 3: That allows for there to also be more opportunities for
Speaker 3: different kinds of candidates versus you only getting these two
Speaker 3: options and maybe a possible third if there is a
Speaker 3: green party of your independent option that actually has elevated
Speaker 3: itself in that district or state, Is that Correcteople are
Speaker 3: saying that's correct, So okay, they want to roll back
Speaker 3: environmental and energy regulations. This is the part that I
Speaker 3: just I'm I know that it's about money, I know,
Speaker 3: but I'm just like, do these people know something I
Speaker 3: don't know about cloning living forever?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, so I will say I will say two
Speaker 2: things about that. One, I think it's important for folks
Speaker 2: to keep in mind that for capitalism, every everything is
Speaker 2: a resource, the planet and the people.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about that later for the for the
Speaker 3: for the critical thinking segment, because I don't know if
Speaker 3: you saw that CNN has has partnered with Kalshi, which
Speaker 3: is a betting app so that you can now bet
Speaker 3: on actual world events. So we're gonna talk about that
Speaker 3: little later because the owner literally says in an interview
Speaker 3: that anything can be made into a commodity.
Speaker 1: That is, please keep.
Speaker 2: Going a fundamental part of the US. And also though
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that the wealthy kind
Speaker 2: of rolla garc that we talk about. I saw someone
Speaker 2: call them the five Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Yes, Peter too,
Speaker 2: Alex arl They're on the.
Speaker 1: Cover of Time. You know these AI folks too. It's
Speaker 1: just and they're praising them.
Speaker 2: They have dumped a lot of money into eugenics. They've
Speaker 2: dumped a lot of money into living forever. They've dumped
Speaker 2: a lot of money into immortality, into stopping aging, into
Speaker 2: reversing aging. You know, you've heard these people talk about
Speaker 2: merging their consciousness with robots and so forth and so on.
Speaker 2: So there certainly is a push you know, I think
Speaker 2: that there's an acknowledgment that the resources are finite, and
Speaker 2: and that means that people can't survive in our current
Speaker 2: modality into perpetuity. And so on some level, these people
Speaker 2: have accepted that in our attempt to accelerate it and
Speaker 2: prepare themselves forward with bunkers, with technology that allows them
Speaker 2: to extend their life with all kinds of so. So
Speaker 2: there absolutely is uh, and they still look tore up. Listen,
Speaker 2: the imagine being such I'm just gonna say this one
Speaker 2: thing about that, about that vanity fair uh uh photograph
Speaker 2: imagine being such a self loaving white supremacist that you
Speaker 2: uh lust off the black woman lips because if y'all
Speaker 2: don't see them needo injection marks.
Speaker 1: It is wild. It is wild. It looks nuts.
Speaker 2: It's such a you know, I had a student from
Speaker 2: Norway come talk to me, and it was just such
Speaker 2: a refreshing reminder of how untethered this place is from reality,
Speaker 2: That there is no factual basis for the United States,
Speaker 2: that it thrives on its hostility and its antagonistic relationship
Speaker 2: with reality.
Speaker 1: That is, it's so all of these things.
Speaker 2: The way that it it, you know, the way it's
Speaker 2: trying to convince us that blowing up babies of self defense,
Speaker 2: the hostility to talking about the reality of this country's
Speaker 2: racial history, the unwillingness to deal with the failings of capitalism,
Speaker 2: are all emblematic of our hostile relationship with reality. We
Speaker 2: refuse to engage reality, and we punish people who try
Speaker 2: to force us to do it. That is kind of
Speaker 2: the ethos, and that's part of why we're in decline,
Speaker 2: because when you had odds with reality, reality is gonna
Speaker 2: win every time.
Speaker 5: Facts.
Speaker 3: They want to reclaim institutions, which we were just talking about,
Speaker 3: of higher education from the radical left. By the way,
Speaker 3: you all none of these institutions are the radical left. Oh,
Speaker 3: anybody who has been in an institution, you currently work
Speaker 3: in an institution, you know that it is far from
Speaker 3: the radical left. The idea that learning literally just learning
Speaker 3: is considered radical. Learning about anything outside of the United States,
Speaker 3: learning about anything beyond the context of capitalism, beyond the
Speaker 3: context of white supremacy, is considered radical.
Speaker 1: There is a war on reality.
Speaker 2: It never occurs to these people that whatever left leaning bias.
Speaker 1: They think exists in these institutions.
Speaker 2: And I would agree with you, they're the furthest thing
Speaker 2: from radical in my experience that we can get, but
Speaker 2: any left leaning bias, they don't contend with the fact
Speaker 2: that maybe these are just the facts. Maybe you got
Speaker 2: a bunchet smart people together. They all looked at the
Speaker 2: history and the data and they were like.
Speaker 1: Well, damn, there's only one they refuse to engage with.
Speaker 1: And that's why they have.
Speaker 2: To send these letters out to say you please eliminate
Speaker 2: these things from your curriculum.
Speaker 1: Because our ideas cannot compete with them. The reality is
Speaker 1: so clear, it's so anchored in the truth that we
Speaker 1: can't compete unless they're eradicated. In the same way, these people.
Speaker 3: Like Hillary Clinton and Sarah Hurwitz are like, you guys
Speaker 3: need to stop showing videos of reality because it's getting
Speaker 3: in the way of our indoctrination and lies.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's exactly right. Cut it out,
Speaker 1: you guys. That's right.
Speaker 2: And it shows how dependent we've been as a society
Speaker 2: or the power structure has been on propaganda.
Speaker 3: Right now, I mean, I feel like growing up, I mean,
Speaker 3: I know the word propaganda, but only recently was I
Speaker 3: able to really point out just how pervasive it is.
Speaker 3: It is and completely regular. So let's run through these
Speaker 3: other ones real quick. We got advancing policies at the
Speaker 3: state and federal level to restore the nuclear family to
Speaker 3: the center of American life. So I was reading something
Speaker 3: the other day that was really just basically saying that
Speaker 3: the nuclear family is actually problematic to America, to human
Speaker 3: life because this idea that you would only have you
Speaker 3: in a house with you alone is just so they
Speaker 3: can control you more.
Speaker 1: And I had really thought of it that way.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the nuclear family is an institution to police women
Speaker 2: and queer folks, and it is to make sure that capitalism.
Speaker 2: It is a survival mechanism for capitalism because it requires
Speaker 2: you to be tired all the time. You got to
Speaker 2: think if you have people families, and familial models should
Speaker 2: depend on.
Speaker 1: The village model.
Speaker 2: These people in our community who don't have kids, as
Speaker 2: somebody with kids, I need my kidless aunties to be like, look.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come take them for an.
Speaker 2: Afternoon for Saturday afternoon, so you can have a moment
Speaker 2: to yourself that allows me to recharge and restore and
Speaker 2: do some critical thinking and do some reflection. There's no
Speaker 2: and if they don't want you thinking in the universities.
Speaker 2: If they're going to take it out of the universities,
Speaker 2: they don't want you to have time on your.
Speaker 1: Own to do that study neither.
Speaker 2: And if you are in a nuclear family where you
Speaker 2: are working, even when you are at home, where home
Speaker 2: is a job, right su stay in the household where
Speaker 2: it's a miniature society like they want to play, then
Speaker 2: you don't have that time.
Speaker 1: That's by design.
Speaker 3: And you know you have agreen here saying you've become
Speaker 3: dependent on the government, and not in a good way.
Speaker 3: And by the way you they force you to be
Speaker 3: dependent on the government and then shame you for being
Speaker 3: dependent on the government.
Speaker 1: It's just a cycle of nonsense.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The last one is reducing both the demand and supply
Speaker 3: for abortion at all stages of human development. The demand,
Speaker 3: the everything you listened before. This increases the reality that
Speaker 3: folks will not feel safe having a baby, they won't
Speaker 3: feel supported, they won't feel healthy, all the above.
Speaker 2: Don't they sound like slave owners? Ain't that what a
Speaker 2: slave owner would say? They don't they want you to.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what a slave owner would say. Damn,
Speaker 2: this is a reenactment. And this is what I keep
Speaker 2: trying to get people to understand, like, you don't say
Speaker 2: what I'm saying saying the plantation and the slave, this
Speaker 2: is part of the societal architecture.
Speaker 1: It's never gone away.
Speaker 2: This is just a revival of how our society to.
Speaker 1: Make America great again. Yeah, it's yeah, absolutely nostalgia for
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 2: And it's a and if you look back at the
Speaker 2: trajectory of the institution of slavery, even after slavery, they
Speaker 2: were nostalgic for it. You had slave in a box,
Speaker 2: you had things being marketed as and for convenience. As
Speaker 2: it is true if you've never looked it up, you
Speaker 2: should google.
Speaker 1: You should look you should definitely google it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so so so even our obsession with AI
Speaker 2: and and like robots, it's it's like you can have
Speaker 2: a slave, but it'll be.
Speaker 1: A robot, so it'll be okay. I and we we
Speaker 1: are we have.
Speaker 2: Never reckoned with the material implications how slavery shaped our expectations,
Speaker 2: our identity, what we believe luxury and success.
Speaker 1: Looks like, yes, our quest for lead, sure, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So this is I mean, the social fabric and social
Speaker 2: mores changed to some extent. But if you recognize that
Speaker 2: the ultra wealthy are are are in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: Removed from that social fabric.
Speaker 2: Right, if you think about I mean and we we
Speaker 2: encounter it on a regular basis. Think about when jay
Speaker 2: Z says, I don't land at the airport. I call
Speaker 2: it the Clare Airport. Right, He's saying, I'm somewhere you
Speaker 2: can't get to. Right, I'm removed, I'm far away.
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere you can't. You can't exactly. That's the point.
Speaker 1: That's the point.
Speaker 2: So the people who and jay Z just a little billionaire,
Speaker 2: if you compare him to Larry Ellison, calm down, if
Speaker 2: you compare him to somebody like Larry Ellison or Elon Musk,
Speaker 2: these people are several layers removed from.
Speaker 1: Society and there's several generations. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely so, whatever our social mores and sensibilities are
Speaker 2: around slavery are not ones they have been socialized within.
Speaker 2: They exist within a kind of corporate architecture that that
Speaker 2: we've privileged, that's privileged in the constitution. This is why
Speaker 2: people not understand the history of slavery is so detrimental
Speaker 2: to us collectively. Because if you think about people, think
Speaker 2: about the three fifths Compromise and the slave trade clause,
Speaker 2: and they think about it as just a racialized provision. No,
Speaker 2: these are corporate provisions. These are provisions that say the Congress,
Speaker 2: which is supposed to be the most representative body because
Speaker 2: it's the.
Speaker 1: Body for the people.
Speaker 2: Come on, lawyers, cannot regulate or cannot stop the importation
Speaker 2: of slaves.
Speaker 1: Who is that for?
Speaker 2: Who's importing slaves? Big business some of the only people
Speaker 2: who can afford the ships, to staff them, to pay
Speaker 2: to kidnap these folks, to get people to risk alive
Speaker 2: for the likelihood of mutiny when slaves would revolt on
Speaker 2: these ships. You're talking about a car about four big
Speaker 2: business that's constitutionalized as part of our federal architecture, right,
Speaker 2: and so we've always privileged corporations and corporate power. And
Speaker 2: then we connected it to the Three Fifths Compromise, which
Speaker 2: said that cargo. That's how we think about people in
Speaker 2: this country as cargo. So when they treat us like
Speaker 2: inputs and labor and humans as a resource, that's part
Speaker 2: of our our foundation, that's part of our architecture. Because
Speaker 2: they called people cargo in the Constitution, and then they
Speaker 2: said that cargo could translate directly into political power with
Speaker 2: the three fifths compromise. The more slaves you bring in,
Speaker 2: the more representation you have the possibility to get in Congress,
Speaker 2: right in the House of Representatives. And so there's a
Speaker 2: direct link. There's a direct relationship here between the power
Speaker 2: that we see being wielded and the results and the
Speaker 2: lack of care about humans. This is part of our ethos.
Speaker 2: So when they talk about restoring enterprise, when they talk
Speaker 2: about that, they are talking abouts a person, right when
Speaker 2: they say, I mean people think it started with Citizens United.
Speaker 2: Citizens United is just a modern manifestation of that constitutionalized principle,
Speaker 2: which says that corporate, huge businesses, corporations wielding political power
Speaker 2: is part of our ethos.
Speaker 1: It's good for us. We've always had that.
Speaker 2: But because we don't study those provisions like that within
Speaker 2: that context, because we kind of say, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 2: those were slave clauses and they were about you know, racism,
Speaker 2: and we don't do that anymore. Right, they're inoperable now,
Speaker 2: we don't need to spend time with them, we don't
Speaker 2: recognize their implications for our moderns. But they also very
Speaker 2: casually these days be going back to those laws, right,
Speaker 2: they've been enough laws from eighteen so whatever ninety eight,
Speaker 2: you're doing it right now. When the alien the Alien
Speaker 2: in Sedition Acts, he's using some of those acts to deport,
Speaker 2: which is really just to exile people without due process.
Speaker 2: But he was relying on the seventeen ninety eight Alien
Speaker 2: in Sedition Acts, so we absolutely use those laws.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Speaking of immigration, I'm going to talk later in the
Speaker 3: show about uprisings that are happening in Portugal and Bulgaria.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to do a u quick pivot because
Speaker 3: I did not know that you was from Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I'm not I live, but I'm not that you live
Speaker 1: in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Live in Minnesota, and so I do want to shout
Speaker 3: out Minnesota because they have been and of course I'm
Speaker 3: saying it just like Bobby's mother would on Bobby's World. Bobby,
Speaker 3: We're going in Minnesota, and I just want to shout.
Speaker 1: Out Minnesota and the work they're doing against Ice. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for our for our neighbors.
Speaker 6: Charts what.
Speaker 1: I'm going to school.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, wait, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: First of all, if he committed a crime in the
Speaker 1: state of Minnesota as an adult, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: public offics, so you want him to close it.
Speaker 7: So what is the.
Speaker 1: Crime I does not.
Speaker 7: They have one person named one that they have to
Speaker 7: detain and that person is inside central Mix. Don Henry
Speaker 7: has the right to say no to anyone.
Speaker 3: So Don Henry is the owner of the market that
Speaker 3: they are guarding.
Speaker 1: There's business.
Speaker 7: So if he went inside to talk to his wife
Speaker 7: to make sure his staff are in the know what's
Speaker 7: going on out here. They have not produced a warrant.
Speaker 7: They asked Don Henry if he was a citizen. They
Speaker 7: asked him to identify himself, Don Henry short of miss passport.
Speaker 7: They didn't ask me for my passport doesn't pay.
Speaker 6: It's called discrimination.
Speaker 7: So we're gonna stay here, guys, We're gonna just say what.
Speaker 7: We're gonna make sure that Don Henry needs space and
Speaker 7: time to think about what's best for him, his family
Speaker 7: and his business, and we're gonna follow Don Henry's leap.
Speaker 8: We made our way to the center of the crowd
Speaker 8: and found a woman being held face down on the ground.
Speaker 8: People were screaming to let her go.
Speaker 2: We kept yelling, she's pregnant, He's pregnant, She's pregnant. They
Speaker 2: put their knees in her, and we kept telling them.
Speaker 1: She can't breathe, let her up, Let her up.
Speaker 8: In the chaos, the woman who was handcuffed was suddenly
Speaker 8: being dragged by one arm of the angry crowd whose
Speaker 8: snowballs and screamed at the federal agent. Do you have
Speaker 8: a herd?
Speaker 3: By the way, throwing snowballs at them is probably the
Speaker 3: most Minnesota thing I've ever heard of, because one thing
Speaker 3: by Minnesota is y'all really know about some snow We
Speaker 3: too look like.
Speaker 6: A nice guy.
Speaker 5: Do you have a heard?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know about you this. You gotta have
Speaker 1: different folks, That's right.
Speaker 3: That's why you gotta have different folks in the organization, y'all,
Speaker 3: because this couldn't be me talking.
Speaker 1: Agreed, don't do no shooting around me.
Speaker 6: I can't brew you. Let's be family, Let's treat each
Speaker 6: other good. Let's show the media that we care for
Speaker 6: one another. Thank you, guys, thank you for standing down.
Speaker 6: Don't father people child.
Speaker 1: We'll pray for you.
Speaker 2: I adopted a snopy Carmichael petive. You gotta have a
Speaker 2: conscience for you to reason with them and appeal to
Speaker 2: their conscience. And I just can't believe if you out
Speaker 2: here dragging folks out of the car line from schools
Speaker 2: UNI and on pregnant women, you got a conscience for
Speaker 2: me to speak to friends.
Speaker 3: But you know what, but they left, I mean, and
Speaker 3: but it was a combination. It was a multi pronged approach,
Speaker 3: right because folks was not.
Speaker 1: Playing with them. Folks stood stood up, they linked arms.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Then you had the person who was the communicator, Like
Speaker 3: I would tell Claudia Las like, don't expect.
Speaker 1: Don't send me to talk to no cops. It ain't
Speaker 1: gonna go well, it's not I'm gonna ruin the whole operation.
Speaker 1: Don't never let me talk to cops. I will ruin
Speaker 1: the whole operation.
Speaker 3: Everybody's gonna get arrested, we all get against I don't.
Speaker 1: That's not your ministry, that's not no.
Speaker 2: You send me to talk to the thuds, right, end
Speaker 2: me to talk to the yns. I'm good with them.
Speaker 1: But the cops. No, No, y'all gonna put a bail
Speaker 1: fund together for me? Right, I mean, we are operating
Speaker 1: in an extra legal terrain. That's the other thing. Folks
Speaker 1: are not recktling with people like that is whatever this is?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Like so yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah again,
Speaker 1: we don't know history.
Speaker 2: If we knew history, we would know how like unreliable,
Speaker 2: you just it's like a hit or miss.
Speaker 1: You might as well, I mean, play the lottery. If
Speaker 1: you're feeling unlucky, you know, you should play the lottery.
Speaker 1: It's just these all of.
Speaker 2: This, and this is really, I think the most powerful point.
Speaker 2: It is both terrifying and powerful. All of this was created.
Speaker 1: We created it. We created it. That means we can
Speaker 1: uncreate it, say it right, bring it back, bring it back.
Speaker 1: We can uncreate it. We can make new stuff. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I trust us to make new stuff more than I
Speaker 2: trust the Brola garchs certainly to us trust I trust
Speaker 2: the people. I trust humans.
Speaker 1: I trust us And this has been proven over and
Speaker 1: over again. It's why they don't leave us to our
Speaker 1: own devices.
Speaker 2: That's why, it's why they have to manipulate what we
Speaker 2: learn and what we see and what we hear and
Speaker 2: how we speak to one another, and you know, the
Speaker 2: lines we draw connect ourselves and separate ourselves, because if
Speaker 2: we were this is why they went after TikTok, because
Speaker 2: they thought it was just the apple folks was over
Speaker 2: there dancing.
Speaker 1: They found our folks was over there having conversations and
Speaker 1: they was like, oh, we have to shut this ship down.
Speaker 1: Let the kids talk.
Speaker 6: You don't talk.
Speaker 3: Then they tricked it. I'm gonna started dancing and teaching. Hey,
Speaker 3: Zionism gonna take us down. Hey, hey, project twenty five
Speaker 3: learn about it.
Speaker 1: And then lay Ellison was like, I'm a buy it.
Speaker 2: I'm a buy it because we can't have this, and
Speaker 2: I'll buy whatever other mediums I need to.
Speaker 1: Right, Like, it's yo, it's an active it's an act
Speaker 1: of desperation.
Speaker 2: We should absolutely see it as an act of desperation
Speaker 2: and it should also terrify us.
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping we I don't know what it's gonna
Speaker 1: desperate desperate measures.
Speaker 3: You know, when people get into that phase, they lose
Speaker 3: any semblance of humanity that they did, and that's a
Speaker 3: human thing, right, This is why.
Speaker 2: We had this is violent crime when people are. The
Speaker 2: more desperate people are, the more desperate they're willing to be.
Speaker 3: Which is also why they are creating scenariolations for you know,
Speaker 3: when people were talking about snap, I saw someone say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: they're just trying to make people feel bad.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, they're trying to make those on snaps snap.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, that's right, because they're always, of course,
Speaker 3: trying to feed a free labor force.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. That's
Speaker 1: so tell me this.
Speaker 3: We were gonna talk about a bunch of things. Then
Speaker 3: we ended up talking about a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of things.
Speaker 3: You are a First Amendment right specialist, and so we
Speaker 3: got to talk about what's going on in Cali with.
Speaker 1: This Antifa indictment. Well, did you see Benny Thompson's exchange
Speaker 1: with the FBI director about Antifa?
Speaker 8: Did you?
Speaker 1: I'm about to play it for me. I'm about to
Speaker 1: play it for you right now.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's start with that ys A headquarter.
Speaker 5: What we're doing right now with your where in the
Speaker 5: United States?
Speaker 1: That's on my grandpa? Did you thee? And then you
Speaker 1: start being like, well, what I say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: one question. Did you eat? That's it?
Speaker 5: Let her know, Antifa exist.
Speaker 9: If it's a terrorist organization and you've identified it as
Speaker 9: number one.
Speaker 4: We are building other infrastructure right now.
Speaker 5: So what does that mean? You said, I'm just we're
Speaker 5: trying to get the information.
Speaker 9: You say Antifa is a terrorist organization, Tell us as
Speaker 9: a committee, how did you come to that, What do
Speaker 9: it exist?
Speaker 5: How many members do they have in the United States
Speaker 5: as of right now?
Speaker 4: Well, that's very fluids. It's ongoing for us to understand
Speaker 4: that the same no different than alkadan isis no.
Speaker 5: No, I don't want you.
Speaker 9: I'll ask one person, sir, I just want you to
Speaker 9: tell us if you said Antifa is the number one
Speaker 9: domestic terrorist organization operating in the United States.
Speaker 5: I just need to know where they are, how many people.
Speaker 5: I don't want a name, I don't want anything like that.
Speaker 9: Just how many people have you identified with the FBI
Speaker 9: that Antifa is made of?
Speaker 4: Where the investigations you're active?
Speaker 9: So you wouldn't come to this committee and say something
Speaker 9: you can't prove by note, I know you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: What you did, it would be funny if it wasn't real.
Speaker 2: This is it was such a glaring example of how
Speaker 2: disconnected we are from reality and we don't have to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the scarier part, is that we don't
Speaker 2: have to be connected to reality. And I would also
Speaker 2: argue this is this is true to the FBI's tradition.
Speaker 2: This is the type of stuff Jagger Whover used to do.
Speaker 3: They were able to do it under the shroud of
Speaker 3: secrecy in a way that they're really not able to
Speaker 3: do at this level.
Speaker 1: Agreed. So let me just give you all some background
Speaker 1: around what's going on.
Speaker 3: So, federal prosecutors in California have indicted four people on.
Speaker 1: Charges they plotted to bomb multiple.
Speaker 3: Targets in California beginning on New Year's Eve. The Justice
Speaker 3: Department describes the individuals as being part of the Turtle
Speaker 3: Island Liberation Front okay, and that they're absolutely pro Palestine,
Speaker 3: far left, anti government, and anti capitalist. The four people arrested,
Speaker 3: Audrey Ellen, Audrey Eileen Carol, Dante Garfield, Zachary Aaron Page,
Speaker 3: and Tina Lai have what the Justice Department and FBI
Speaker 3: have deemed an anti government ideology. And this was apparently
Speaker 3: initiated due to the September twenty twenty five executive order
Speaker 3: signed by President Trump to root out left wing domestic
Speaker 3: tarrort organization is in our country. Now, I just want
Speaker 3: to add this very important caveat that the indictment relies
Speaker 3: heavily on a paid FBI informant.
Speaker 1: Yeah this, I mean this sounds like yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: This is both right because mccarchyism popped off because of
Speaker 3: a really like zealous senator being like I'm trying to
Speaker 3: pop off, like he couldn't care less I people were communists,
Speaker 3: but he was like, oh, I can get a name
Speaker 3: doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you had Hoover who.
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, I'm also trying to get people to
Speaker 3: not know that I'm gay and black, so let me
Speaker 3: just then get busy too.
Speaker 2: Hoover was also raised under if you will like his
Speaker 2: political tutelage, he was originally so he's he's hired in
Speaker 2: the nineteen teens.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't.
Speaker 2: Realize Hoover is hired by the federal government in the
Speaker 2: nineteen teens and he leaves the FBI until nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 2: so he has a career spanning more than fifty decades
Speaker 2: with the federal government. And when he starts out, muciple
Speaker 2: wars out absolutely under Woodrow Wilson and Woodrow Wilson introduces
Speaker 2: the Espionage Acts that says you can't say anything bad
Speaker 2: about the government. He uses a muck rackers, which are
Speaker 2: propagandists to drum up support for the war. He labels
Speaker 2: anybody who's anti war, anybody who's anti government, anybody who's
Speaker 2: anti white supremacy, as a threat to the national security.
Speaker 1: So this is the climate, the.
Speaker 2: Rearing, the tutelage under which j. Rgar Hoover is introduced
Speaker 2: to the federal government. And so if you just look
Speaker 2: at the lineage, I mean, were talking about apples falling
Speaker 2: from trees.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is the fruit the tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the fruit. This is the fruit of that.
Speaker 2: And because we've never been willing to grapple with it
Speaker 2: and tackle it and un hacked and dissect.
Speaker 1: And break down.
Speaker 2: Is these markers, these as markers on white paper, signs
Speaker 2: that they drew. Is this the evidence?
Speaker 1: This is the evidence, This is the evidence.
Speaker 3: We also have to understand that quote unquote evidence always
Speaker 3: has to be in quotes, right, because even as we're
Speaker 3: talking about Luigi, we understand that there's just simply is
Speaker 3: always sideways stuff going on, and they are not able
Speaker 3: to track possession of evidence. You constantly have forget Luigi,
Speaker 3: Let's go back to Oh Jay, like.
Speaker 1: This, where are you? It's not like these cops are
Speaker 1: in any way above board. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: other evidence here. It is hold on so PBC pipes,
Speaker 1: these were just these were just out in the open
Speaker 1: and somebody front yard. They just took a picture.
Speaker 2: I mean, none of their stuff makes sense Like at
Speaker 2: this what oh who writing them signed? You got a
Speaker 2: whole internet. You can speak to who writing with Prayola
Speaker 2: markers on eighty five printer paper. They're I like, even
Speaker 2: the way that they're And this is another thing though,
Speaker 2: This is why they attack education the way that they do,
Speaker 2: because they don't count on us being smart enough holotically
Speaker 2: about what they put in front of us.
Speaker 1: And they at the bullets and the.
Speaker 2: Whole gun situation after c K right and how it
Speaker 2: was like, oh there was nothing there, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there's something there, and then on the bullets it just
Speaker 2: looked like chicken scratch.
Speaker 1: And so like we I don't like black people, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like stuff like that, it's just nonsense.
Speaker 3: Let me also add that the indictment, I'm sorry that
Speaker 3: the UH attorney what's his name, the federal the federal
Speaker 3: prosecutor Bill Asie, and I'm actually I want to I
Speaker 3: want to show you all a picture of him, so
Speaker 3: you can just see what a prick looks like. Because
Speaker 3: I think it's also like sometimes you just see certain
Speaker 3: picts of people you like. You you could tell that
Speaker 3: this is somebody who wasn't getting none and this is
Speaker 3: his way to try and get some vajin.
Speaker 1: This is first assistant. Look at him. Look at him,
Speaker 1: Look at him. You can tell he's just corny. He's
Speaker 1: a corny guy. This is Bill A. Salee, who says
Speaker 1: the group.
Speaker 3: Was targeting US companies with their bombs. He did not
Speaker 3: elaborate on the companies. The complaint also alleges that the
Speaker 3: four involved in the plot were not attempting to kill people,
Speaker 3: and if they saw anyone in the area of their bombs,
Speaker 3: they would try to warn them. They're going to make
Speaker 3: their initial appearance in federal court Monday afternoon in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: I bet you there was a lot of pressure to
Speaker 3: find an indictment after that very embarrassing exchange with Benny Thompson.
Speaker 2: I bet you there was all of a sudden and
Speaker 2: urgent pressure to produce something or someone even if it
Speaker 2: doesn't stick. That's the other thing. All of this is
Speaker 2: about the orc and the theater of it. Right, there's
Speaker 2: so much political theater happening that I think is meant
Speaker 2: to distract us from the real actual maneuvering that's happening.
Speaker 2: And they use Crayola markers and eight and a half
Speaker 2: by eleven printer paper to do it because they believe
Speaker 2: that we don't have the literacy, the media literacy, the
Speaker 2: critical thinking skills, the historical contexts to situate their efforts,
Speaker 2: and didn't I think there was a judge too who
Speaker 2: ruled that that person was not supposed to be in
Speaker 2: charge of that office, and then they just kind of changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a court ruling from a
Speaker 1: judge that that did. What did you say, Issaily, He's
Speaker 1: not supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Leading that office, so they changed his title, but he's
Speaker 2: still doing the same thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, Again, we're in an extra legal Well.
Speaker 3: The other of nonsense that is happening is that they
Speaker 3: also know that mainstream media is not going to dig further.
Speaker 1: That's right, right.
Speaker 3: They also know that mainstream media is not going to
Speaker 3: correct with the same effort that they promote. So mainstream
Speaker 3: media might put this story out there, but let's say,
Speaker 3: like you said, the theatrics then dissolve into this was nonsense,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna throw this out of court and you
Speaker 3: all can go your merry way.
Speaker 1: We're not going to see that story. That's right.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the media is invested in invested is
Speaker 2: as much as the political apparatus in those fundamental building blocks,
Speaker 2: so they're not I mean, this is why you.
Speaker 1: Don't see media that's critical up shout out to African stream.
Speaker 1: They get to African streaming, right, this is why you
Speaker 1: don't see media. They have a new off met started
Speaker 1: something new called Sovereign Media. Oh I didn't know that,
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: And so it's called Sovereign Media and he's working on it.
Speaker 3: And we actually have journalists that join once a month
Speaker 3: from African from the previous African stream, but now sobern
Speaker 3: Media to do what we call the Africa Tappen and
Speaker 3: they give us the.
Speaker 1: One two on what's going on in the continent.
Speaker 2: I love that, and I love you for making space
Speaker 2: for that, because that kind of elimination is also why
Speaker 2: we're here.
Speaker 1: Because you don't see media that's critical of the United States.
Speaker 2: You don't see media from the marginalized perspective, and mainstream
Speaker 2: media will not do it.
Speaker 1: They will, They will create the campaigns for.
Speaker 2: These awful things to happen, and then years later apologize
Speaker 2: for the lynching campaign, apologize for Iraq, and I imagine
Speaker 2: we will see in a decade or so, apologize for Palestine.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Iraq, you know, we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about Rob Reiner later in the show. And Rob Reightner
Speaker 3: did the film Shock and Awe, which is about the
Speaker 3: ways in which the New York Times, Times and mainstream
Speaker 3: media helped to support the.
Speaker 1: Lies of the administration at the time.
Speaker 3: You know, Rumsfeld and these folks in carrying out the
Speaker 3: manufactured consent for the war.
Speaker 1: How can people follow you? Where can they get more
Speaker 1: Russia ghe in their lives? So I love you dearly,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna correct you. Rashiya g Why have you
Speaker 1: let me talk to you.
Speaker 2: This time?
Speaker 3: I was waiting.
Speaker 2: I just did it.
Speaker 1: So, So there it is. You can follow me. I'm
Speaker 1: on Instagram as highly viby. But there's the underscore, isn't there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe in the middle highly underscore viby okay, and
Speaker 2: yes like that, And I'm working on other stuff that
Speaker 2: I will put on I'm working on doing podcast stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't have the scheduling, I don't have the time
Speaker 2: right now to add it into all the other stuff
Speaker 2: that I'm doing, but I am working on it. So
Speaker 2: my hope is to talk more about the ways in
Speaker 2: which race, law and politics are engendering the American decline.
Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of folks are talking about leaving,
Speaker 2: are talking about what.
Speaker 1: They can do.
Speaker 2: You know, I want Black folks to realize that our
Speaker 2: home is with each other. I would be hesitant to
Speaker 2: call this place or any other place, our home. A
Speaker 2: home is a place that nourishes you. A home is
Speaker 2: a place that nurtures you, that welcomes you, that's happy
Speaker 2: to see, that builds you up, where you find refuge.
Speaker 2: I don't know if any of those characterizations would fit
Speaker 2: our experience anywhere, especially here. So I want us to
Speaker 2: start thinking about each other as our home, and whatever
Speaker 2: we do, I hope we begin to think of ourselves
Speaker 2: collectively with them.
Speaker 1: And that connects to my concept of we are the soil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did not get to connect to the land
Speaker 3: that we had to become experts at, so we have
Speaker 3: had to be the land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope we take that in internalize.
Speaker 2: So I think our attempts to save this without engaging
Speaker 2: with what at meat for the globe, o speed for
Speaker 2: the planet.
Speaker 1: What are we saving? Yeah, you're talking about saving American democracy,
Speaker 1: and if you were never an American, it was never
Speaker 1: a democracy.
Speaker 2: And it's gonna kill the planet. It's gonna kill us all,
Speaker 2: whatever you think you're trying to say. If you gonna
Speaker 2: prop up Jasmine Crocket while they sending tax dollars over
Speaker 2: there to bomb babies, I need us to.
Speaker 1: I need us to. I just I want us all
Speaker 1: to be well. I want us all to be well
Speaker 1: with each other, and I want us to understand that.
Speaker 2: You know, ain't nothing particularly wrong with Jasmine or Kamala,
Speaker 2: except that they exist in the system that demands this
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: This is the price that they Why are you even
Speaker 1: giving them that out?
Speaker 3: Like they made a choice going there, Like no one
Speaker 3: held the gun today head and said you got to
Speaker 3: go in here and do this, And other people have
Speaker 3: gone in there and not done that, So they actually
Speaker 3: did not have to be that. Corey Bush went in
Speaker 3: there and didn't do that, or she went in there
Speaker 3: and didn't do that. Summer Summer Lee went in.
Speaker 2: There, and in fairness, they got Corey Bush and Jamal
Speaker 2: Bowman's ass out of there.
Speaker 1: And this is not out of there if the Democrats
Speaker 1: actually had their back.
Speaker 2: But that was my other point, more so about the
Speaker 2: democratic apparatus, of which just Dasmin Crockett.
Speaker 1: And Kamala they support. That they didn't say nothing. You
Speaker 1: talked about you for the people.
Speaker 2: They just snatched your people who for the people out
Speaker 2: of here, and everybody was quiet.
Speaker 1: I don't like that Kamala married a Zionists.
Speaker 3: Do you know how much it takes to marry somebody, y'all?
Speaker 3: Do you understand in this country what it means to
Speaker 3: marry somebody. She married them their family, their family, and
Speaker 3: marry them.
Speaker 2: As black folks who experience, who know that we always
Speaker 2: on the bottom of any calibration about human worth. I
Speaker 2: just don't know how you can endorse any position where
Speaker 2: you calibrating human worth and putting people on the bottom.
Speaker 1: And don't think your ass is next.
Speaker 3: And Dan, you'll say to yourself, well, this is for
Speaker 3: the preservation of America, which Jasmine Crockett has said so again,
Speaker 3: like you said, we are caught up in this preservation
Speaker 3: of a place that has never preserved.
Speaker 1: Us and can't. And the preservation at what costs? You
Speaker 1: willing to burn the whole planet?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And what you think gonna happen when the whole planet burned?
Speaker 1: Who you think next? Will you think they feed in
Speaker 1: to the fire next?
Speaker 3: I just the logic just seems so obvious to me.
Speaker 3: And that's why I can't give them a pass. These
Speaker 3: are not young people. These are not people who are
Speaker 3: somehow you know, misled. These are not people who are
Speaker 3: struggling financially. These are not people with children. These are
Speaker 3: not people who have any excuse other than a desire
Speaker 3: for attention.
Speaker 6: Power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and you you know, I think I
Speaker 2: think a lot of it is getting a folk, especially
Speaker 2: for black folks.
Speaker 1: We have not healed.
Speaker 2: So we understand our wholeness as proximity to white power,
Speaker 2: and so we believe that that can restore you of
Speaker 2: our humanity. That's well, no, because I spend time with
Speaker 2: the ancestors, So.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know my words and my value.
Speaker 2: I just spent time this woman prediction, you just want
Speaker 2: to forget them where we're going through twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: I also want us to change how we refer to
Speaker 2: black people, because I know so many black people that
Speaker 2: actually don't write, that actually don't operate like that, that
Speaker 2: do spend.
Speaker 1: Their time with the ancestors.
Speaker 3: They come on this show all the good day time,
Speaker 3: they come to my book tours. So like this whole
Speaker 3: we enable at a certain point when we're just like
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, but everybody ain't healed to the
Speaker 1: same extent. No they're not, But and everybody ain't had
Speaker 1: the same opportunity. Some people don't even know that healing
Speaker 1: is available.
Speaker 2: Correct, I'm just saying that we apply that to people
Speaker 2: who do have that access.
Speaker 3: We apply that to people who are actually available, who
Speaker 3: do have the availability.
Speaker 1: Financially, time wise, et cetera to do that.
Speaker 3: And we do that because we have an ingrained love
Speaker 3: and grace that I believe is actually a part of
Speaker 3: our just being humanity, Like yeah, yeah, I need to.
Speaker 2: See I mean, my ability to recognize the humanity and
Speaker 2: every other person is part of my own humanity, right,
Speaker 2: My humanity survives because I can see humanity and everybody else.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an excuse. I think it's just
Speaker 2: an acknowledgment of where we are and how much work
Speaker 2: needs to be done. If we just say these people
Speaker 2: are bad and write them off, it doesn't give us
Speaker 2: a pathway for the healing that will need to take place.
Speaker 1: Collectively, I think there are more unhealed people.
Speaker 2: Than there are healed people, and I think just the
Speaker 2: majority of unpilled people don't have power.
Speaker 1: I think that's why we don't see it manifesting in
Speaker 1: this way.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of healing that needs to happen,
Speaker 2: and we're going to have to make space for that
Speaker 2: and create an architecture and talk about what healing looks
Speaker 2: like and what it doesn't look like. In one of
Speaker 2: the ways it doesn't look like is turning towards white
Speaker 2: power as a form of validation, as a form of redemption.
Speaker 9: So do we.
Speaker 1: Continue to platform unhealed people?
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, we should not be platforming these people.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's the difference.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We don't throw people away because people aren't disposable, but
Speaker 2: we don't platform them etheriry.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, we're on the same page. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: on the same page. We got to get there because
Speaker 1: the page is the same.
Speaker 3: Because I think that's the thing, is that that nuance
Speaker 3: is what so many people are missing, Like when you
Speaker 3: critique a black politician and they say you're tearing her down,
Speaker 3: It's like, well, this is actually a constructive criticism based
Speaker 3: on facts that actually addresses them as a politician even
Speaker 3: more than them as a character as an individual.
Speaker 1: Right, Like the book reading I did, in the book.
Speaker 3: Talk I did in Dallas, someone was like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I want to support Jasmine Crockett just as a person.
Speaker 3: I said, then send her a birthday card. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like she's not running as your sister.
Speaker 3: She's not running she's running as a representative for office.
Speaker 3: And you know, there just really is a very reality,
Speaker 3: a very real reality, that there's.
Speaker 1: A system in place that is bigger than the individual. Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: And some might say, well, then why are we expecting
Speaker 3: an individual to change the system. And what I'm saying
Speaker 3: is I don't expect an individual to change the system.
Speaker 3: I do expect that if an individual goes into that
Speaker 3: system and they are telling you about change, that they
Speaker 3: need to be acting differently than other individuals in that system.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I think we have to come to
Speaker 2: grips with the system. It is not receptive to change.
Speaker 2: You have to be an arrogant ass motherfucker to believe
Speaker 2: that all these people who came before you, all the
Speaker 2: brilliance that you draw from, all these other people, just
Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: You got the answer, or.
Speaker 3: You're telling me like, you need to run for office,
Speaker 3: and you and some people say, Amanda, you need to
Speaker 3: run for office. Either side of that spectrum means that
Speaker 3: you think that just me is about to flip this
Speaker 3: whole script.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: It's the system. I mean, it's it's like anything else.
Speaker 2: You not changing, it's changing you.
Speaker 1: You got to respond to it. You have to respond
Speaker 1: to its incentives. Right what It incentivizes the behavior and
Speaker 1: incentivizes in the behavior.
Speaker 8: It does less.
Speaker 1: Unless your goal is not to stay there, Yes, which
Speaker 1: we shouldn't.
Speaker 2: We need to if we're going to do anything. We
Speaker 2: talk about the system we need to build. We need
Speaker 2: to build a system where people do not make careers,
Speaker 2: lifelong careers out of these positions, so that so that
Speaker 2: way that they are not trying to please interests that
Speaker 2: are not the ones that they promised to address when
Speaker 2: they got in there.
Speaker 1: I absolutely think that that's true. But I think that
Speaker 1: that also means that governance needs to be more collectively shared.
Speaker 2: A big part of this is one million opting out.
Speaker 2: They don't want to do the work. They want to
Speaker 2: show up every four years cast a ballot and it'd
Speaker 2: be like I did my job, And it's not that
Speaker 2: it's a weekly, daily kind of burden that requires.
Speaker 1: Us all to participate.
Speaker 3: But that's also not even really genuinely possible and correct absolutely,
Speaker 3: So that's why you have we also know that they're cheating.
Speaker 1: So I think that also leaves people like thiss, uh,
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for. It's in chanton. You
Speaker 1: mean this is cheating? Who's cheating? All these elections are cheating?
Speaker 1: How can you cheat a rid system? Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's really that's right. So that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, there are those fundamental building blocks, and this is
Speaker 2: why anti capitalism, anti white supremacy, and anti militarism will
Speaker 2: always provoke the violence of the state, because in order
Speaker 2: to get any of those other pieces, in order to
Speaker 2: get collective governance, in order to get an educated polity,
Speaker 2: in order to get you need to attack those concentrations
Speaker 2: of power.
Speaker 1: And so those are the heart of the thing.
Speaker 2: Those are the heart of the thing when you attack,
Speaker 2: when you attack the amount of money we send it
Speaker 2: over the Israel, when you attack how corporations can amass
Speaker 2: the wealth that they amassed. When you attack the way
Speaker 2: that a race is taught in history, when you get
Speaker 2: to the heart of the thing, when you attack colonialism,
Speaker 2: how colonialism is taught in school. When you get to
Speaker 2: the heart of the thing, that's when you begin to
Speaker 2: break down those power structures. As someone who's taught this
Speaker 2: for years, I would get people in my class who
Speaker 2: would be like really hostile at the outset, and then
Speaker 2: by the end of the class they'd be like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I didn't know, I had no idea, I
Speaker 2: hadn't been talked about blah. That's why schools are as
Speaker 2: contested as any election in any court case, because the
Speaker 2: moment you can get to the students, that's why they're
Speaker 2: opening a turning point chapter on every high school campus
Speaker 2: in Texas, right while simultaneously outlawing honest discussion of history
Speaker 2: outline critiques of the United States. Because if you can
Speaker 2: get to the minds of people, if you can orient
Speaker 2: and socialize and socialize them into a particular kind of
Speaker 2: critical thought. These all of the rest of this becomes
Speaker 2: newt right, they will adjust accordingly. And so uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if we start we need to start there,
Speaker 2: not fucking Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 1: And there you got it. Thank you so much, God Lee,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we got you. I appreciate it. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Y'all know what to do, Rashia ye at highly highly
Speaker 2: underscore ivy on IG's and get the knowledge.
Speaker 1: And thank you for teaching the babies and the ad.
Speaker 6: A man.
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