WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:06.160 Do we have too many digital modes digital voice modes 2 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:10.199 for UHF VHF. I did a video about this not 3 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:15.759 too long ago and had some really really interesting comments 4 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:17.800 on that video that I wanted to address in a 5 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.879 new video. Some of these most of these comments are 6 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:24.719 very good. They're very insightful, very thought provoking. Some of 7 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.160 them I do not agree with, but I wanted to 8 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:28.839 do a follow up to see what you guys had 9 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.359 to say to kind of continue this conversation. Let's go. 10 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:38.079 Today's video is sponsored by him Radio Prep save a 11 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.159 twenty percent discount off of all of their packages and 12 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.079 courses with the coupon code of Jason twenty. So this 13 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:49.200 is the video that I recorded in I posted this 14 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.479 in December of twenty twenty four, and you can see 15 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:55.159 this right here, and I've at the time of this recording, 16 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:57.439 I've got about eighty nine hundred views on this video 17 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:59.920 with over three hundred comments. I went back and looked 18 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:01.960 at one of my previous videos just to kind of 19 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.840 compare it, and the next highest view video that was 20 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:10.519 newest in the lineup had about nine thousand views with 21 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:14.519 two hundred comments. So, in other words, this video has 22 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.000 gotten a lot of comments as compared to the number 23 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:20.319 of views on it. It's been some very good discussion 24 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.040 on this video and on this subject, so I wanted 25 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.280 to address some of these here. You guys can go 26 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.760 see this right here, and yes, I will be addressing this. 27 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.719 I'll ask people, don't use DMR correctly. We want to 28 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:33.519 know more about that. What do you mean by that? 29 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:35.840 A lot of people commented on that, so I'm making 30 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.799 another video about that. That is not the video you're 31 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.879 watching today. I wanted to start this video you're watching 32 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:47.280 today with the simple underlying theme that I don't think 33 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.640 we have too many digital voice modes. I think HAM 34 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.519 radio is about innovation and we should be allowed to 35 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.280 create more modes if we want to. That's basically the 36 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.719 theme of the last video. And some people disagree with that, 37 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:02.359 and some people agreed with that, and it's okay, it's okay. 38 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.280 I think the discussion of this is more important than 39 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.439 the topic itself, quite frankly, and this video you're watching 40 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:12.560 right now is about the comments discussion on that last video. 41 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.800 So let's switch over here. I'm gonna show you guys 42 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:19.240 a couple of really good comments that I found on 43 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:21.960 that video, and debt a screenshot of this one's from 44 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:26.120 Tony Urusso, yes, we absolutely need a standard. You are 45 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:29.960 ignoring some fundamental differences between digital voice on VHF UHF 46 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:34.000 and our various digital modes on HF, because in that 47 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.319 video I had compared the I had mentioned the fact 48 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.599 that we don't have just one digital keyboard to keyboard 49 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.039 mode on HF. We have PSK threety one and Riddy 50 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.520 FT eight, FT four, JS call, and a bunch of 51 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.680 different ones. So I had compared digital voice modes like DMR, 52 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.080 d Star and Fusion to digital HF modes. First is 53 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.159 that there's a difference in between digital modes and different radios. 54 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:57.120 I can use the same radio for CW, Riddy FT eight, Olivia, 55 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.000 and all sorts of other stuff. I don't have to 56 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.120 buy a CW radio, a Ritty radio, or an FT 57 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.840 eight radio. There isn't a single radio on the market 58 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:08.639 that supports DSTARYSF, DMR, and M seventeen in the same device. 59 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:11.120 If there were, that would certainly change some things, but 60 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:13.639 it doesn't exist. And then he goes into the set 61 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.960 major point. So here's the problem with that type of thinking. Okay, 62 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:22.319 that is not the fault of the mode. That is 63 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.919 not the fault of the mode. First of all, you 64 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.199 don't have an FT eight radio. No radios do FT 65 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.319 eight natively. Radios have built in sound. Some radios will 66 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:37.560 do ritty natively to have a RTTY radio teletype mode 67 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:41.840 built in to the radio. Most of them have just 68 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.560 what's called a data mode, like a seventy three hundred 69 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.360 and FTDX ten. You put it in data upper sideban 70 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:51.560 or data you sometimes, and that's what you use with 71 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.120 the built in sound card in the radio to connect 72 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.599 to a computer. And then your computer program is what 73 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.960 does the mode on HF FT eight, FT four, PSK 74 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:05.680 thirty one JSA call whatever. So your digital modes aren't 75 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.479 really built in to the radio at all. Okay, it's 76 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:12.639 built into a computer program that you're running externally. Except 77 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.639 for Riddy, not really a valid comparison there at number two. 78 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:18.600 That's not the fault of the mode. Someone could build 79 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:22.839 a radio that does DMR system fusion and P twenty 80 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:25.759 five and d star and everything else. Someone could do that. 81 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.720 Guess what, the hotspot guys already took care of that 82 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.959 for you. Pistar, WPSD and open spot already do that. 83 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:35.920 Why don't the radio manufacturers do it well because everyone 84 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.120 wants you to buy their radio. So this is where 85 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.920 we get into a little bit more of commercialization of 86 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:45.560 amateur radio as compared to innovation of amateur radio. The 87 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.839 rest of these comments I'm gonna show you is people arguing, 88 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:54.160 people arguing with me because I argued with these I've 89 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:55.959 got this guy and one other comment or that I'm 90 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.319 going to talk about today, and I'm arguing with them. Now, 91 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.879 let me say this. I welcome your arguments. I don't 92 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:03.480 think you guys should shut up and go away. That's 93 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.439 what I'm saying. Okay, I welcome your arguments. I thank 94 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.439 you for your insight. You have given me more things 95 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.240 to think about and more, quite frankly, more topics to 96 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.240 make videos about. So I thank each and every one 97 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:18.000 of you. I don't mean to discourage or disparage anyone 98 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.839 in this video, Okay, that's not the purpose of this video. 99 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.279 I'm not calling anyone out as saying no, you're wrong 100 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:25.519 and you're an idiot. I'm not saying that. I'm saying 101 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:27.560 I may not agree with you and you don't agree 102 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:29.920 with me, and that's okay. This is a discussion we're 103 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.319 doing here. So his first part in that is it's 104 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.519 not valid because it's not the mode's fault. It's not 105 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.600 dmr D star fusion's fault, that no one makes a radio. 106 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.240 That's the manufacturer's fault. Okay, and it's not really valid 107 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.639 to compare it to a computer program running on a computer. 108 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.079 The second he goes on to say, the second major 109 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.240 problem is because we're talking about VHFUHF and because of 110 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.759 the laws of physics, that means we're heavily dependent on repeaters. 111 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:58.920 I wouldn't say heavily dependent is an accurate description. There's 112 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.240 a lot of simplex activity that happens that maybe doesn't 113 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.399 happen near you, but it does happen throughout the country, 114 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:08.759 which are extremely financially expensive, time consuming, and real estate 115 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.000 constrained physical built in infrastructure. I have a problem with that. 116 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:14.439 Ham radio operators and been putting up repeaters in various 117 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:19.000 locations since the sixties. Okay, for the last sixty freaking years, 118 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.720 we've been putting repeaters up in various locations. Yeah it 119 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.040 can be expensive, Yeah, it can be costly. Sure, Yeah, 120 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:28.759 but hey man, so is everything else. If you don't 121 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.560 want to put up a repeater then don't put one up. 122 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:32.040 If you want to get together with a group of 123 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.000 friends or a club, put up a repeater. You don't 124 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.000 have to bear all the expense yourself. I see what 125 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:39.120 he's saying here, but I'm not sure that's a valid 126 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:42.000 argument as to the point. Today, having to secure sites 127 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:44.480 for a purchase, build and maintain four times as many 128 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.480 repeaters is not feasible for the amateur radio community. So 129 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.399 instead of getting a fragmented jumble of repeaters where you 130 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.920 can only use a fraction of them, so the overall 131 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.319 system sucks. There used to be a network of analog 132 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.120 link repeater systems on nine ninety four in Wisconsin I 133 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.240 could talk on while driving throughout the state. There's still 134 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:05.759 analog repink analog link repeter systems in many states, including Texas. 135 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:08.519 They recently decided to convert all of them to d Star, 136 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.639 and since radio on the car doesn't support d Star, 137 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:15.040 they're all completely useless hunks up scrap metal to me, Okay, well, 138 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.519 that's again. Anybody can buy a d Star radio and 139 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.360 you don't want to join in and on that. That's okay, 140 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.199 But perhaps the reason they converted them from analog to 141 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.360 d Stars because nobody was using them. I don't know. 142 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:26.639 I don't know. I'm not familiar with this system. I 143 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.800 don't know anything about it. Someone who knows about the 144 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.399 system can comment below. So he goes on to talk 145 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.839 about a few other things in that aspect, and he's 146 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.480 got some good points, But the first point was the 147 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.319 main one I wanted to talk about, because he was like, well, 148 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.759 you can't buy a radio that does all the modes. No, 149 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:44.800 you can't. That's true, but that's not the mode's fault. 150 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.439 That's not because the modes are incompatible. That's because the 151 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.680 manufacturers have decided not to build such a thing. So 152 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.439 moving on to the next one. Now, these next few 153 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.199 are from the same person, and he and I kind 154 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:59.759 of go back and forth on a few things here. 155 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:02.920 But if this is again good discussion, imagine a world 156 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:05.160 where you could buy a single digital cable radio and 157 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.360 then anywhere you go you can use that radio on 158 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.839 any digital cable repeaters you run into. Imagine not getting 159 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.639 somewhere and finding out that neither of the two digital 160 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:17.199 modes you purchased access to in the form of multiple 161 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.079 radios that you may not even like for anything other 162 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.759 than digital mode, you need Okay, you need to buy 163 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:25.199 a different radio. In other words, you travel somewhere you 164 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:26.839 have a digital mode, but all the repeaters in that 165 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.079 area are a different digital mode. You need to buy 166 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:32.600 a different radio you may not even like, just to 167 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:34.919 use digital mode. That is a new community built around. Now. 168 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:37.559 Explain to me again, how do you prefer the second scenario, please, 169 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.840 or explain to me how two different digital modes big 170 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:43.080 and bring enough to the table to make the second 171 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.360 scenario worth it. Okay, so my response to him, which 172 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.440 I'm going i'll read to you right here, is easy. 173 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.919 Your analogy is flawed for one simple reason. Most people 174 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.399 who use digital modes don't travel to other areas and 175 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.440 use repeaters in that area. They use hotspots, which they 176 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:00.519 take with them and can use anywhere on the Internet 177 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.399 with the connection. Did you actually hear my thoughts on 178 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:05.639 how people use DRMR incorrectly? That's one small example. If 179 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.200 folks actually used repeaters when they travel, then your argument 180 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.440 would be totally valid. And that's one of my things 181 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:13.000 about the DMR networks is that they're based too much 182 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.240 on hotspots. Again, I'm gonna make a second video about 183 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.080 or third video or another video or continuation video, whatever 184 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.039 you want to call it about how I think people 185 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:25.000 use DMR incorrectly because a lot of you commented on that. 186 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:29.039 But people don't travel to another state or another area 187 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:31.200 in their state and think, oh, I'm going to use 188 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.200 the d Star or DMR repeaters when I get down here. 189 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.200 They use the hot spot that's in their vehicle. Now, 190 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:39.080 should they be using the repeaters, Yes, that would be 191 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.759 excellent if that actually happened, but I think that most 192 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:44.039 of the time that doesn't happen. You've got a d 193 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.440 Star radio in your truck, you're using a hot spot. 194 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.360 When you're on a road trip. When you're traveling to 195 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.840 another area, you're using a hot spot. That's what I do. 196 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.039 I use DMR repeaters in other areas. I've got Fusion 197 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.120 and I've got d Star in my truck, but I 198 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.639 don't have many repeaters for other areas programmed into them. 199 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:01.639 So it great if people actually use it that way, 200 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:03.320 but I don't think anyone does. Now. If you want 201 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.440 to learn how to use all of these modes, including analog, 202 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:08.519 I highly recommend Ham Radio Prep. Ham Radio Prep is 203 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.720 the sponsor of today's video. 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He goes on to say, I will 211 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.200 absolutely can see that you have more experience than me 212 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.120 with and thus more knowledge of people who use digital. 213 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.480 But I say it's strictly a positive if I could 214 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.399 use any digital repeaters I bump into with a digital 215 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.039 cable radio. And I'm still yet to hear a positive, 216 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.240 a positive argument for having so many options other than 217 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.639 it's better to have more options statement which I feel 218 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.799 like holds up only if the options are different enough 219 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.120 to be truly more options than not limitations. Okay, I 220 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.960 see what you're saying. I think most of us would agree. Now. 221 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:01.559 He it goes on to say, in several of these comments, 222 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:04.399 most people would agree with me. Actually, if you read 223 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.519 the comments on this video, about half or more of 224 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.840 the people agree with what I said, and about half don't. 225 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.960 So I don't think there's a most in any scenario here. Okay, 226 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.639 A lot of the comments were agreeing with my point 227 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:17.799 of view on that video, and a lot of comments 228 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:20.000 were agreeing with this point of view on the video. 229 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:21.919 But I'm not gonna say it's most one way or 230 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:23.799 the other because I didn't go count him, so I 231 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.519 don't know. But he insists that most people agree with him. 232 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.399 I think he's wrong, but okay, let's move on. They 233 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.360 don't give most of us more options. Instead, they give 234 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.000 us less options in a given area of the planet. 235 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:36.840 I don't know of anyone who has ever said I'd 236 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.919 like to use dmrty ragchew with my buddy in XYZ, 237 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.440 but Fusion is my choice for making contacts or anything 238 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.159 like that. I do know people who say I wish 239 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.879 I could use my DMR radio over XYZ, but there 240 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.480 are but they're using ABC modes over there. I don't 241 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.639 like these radios. Okay, those hotspots are nice when you 242 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:55.679 have them at home or if you have a Myfi 243 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.720 or something like that, but they are a tool for 244 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.440 some use cases, not a solution for what we believe 245 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.039 to be a problem. So you have explained that we 246 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.159 are wrong. I didn't say you're wrong, I said, I 247 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.679 disagreed with you, but you have not explained why we 248 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.159 are wrong at all. Just more options isn't enough. Give 249 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.159 us what is valuable about the options that makes it 250 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.440 worth having so many radios that you can't talk to 251 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:21.000 many other modes directly on digital. So those hotspots, he says, 252 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:22.879 those hotspots are nice at home or if you have 253 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.080 a Myfi or something, but they are a tool for 254 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:28.399 some use cases, not a solution for what we believe 255 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.320 to be a problem. Okay, two things on that number One, 256 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:36.440 He's right, hotspots should not be a solution. The repeater 257 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.799 network is a better network than a hotspot network anyway, 258 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.399 so people should be using the repeater network for whatever 259 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.039 mode they're using, including analog. The problem with that is 260 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.840 that they don't. No one uses that. People carry hotspots 261 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:50.879 with them everywhere. I do it. I do. I carry 262 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:52.519 hotspot with I have an open spot with me when 263 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.159 I'm on road trips in the truck, I have a 264 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.600 hotspot with me all the time. I've got multiple hot spots. 265 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:58.480 Most people who have a hotspot have more than one. 266 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.720 Like cheetos, you can only eat one. Right. His point 267 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:03.519 is would be a lot more valid if it was 268 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:05.799 if it was actually true, and his point is not true. 269 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.279 So that's it because people do use hotspots that way, 270 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.559 and that's just the way it is, so let's move on. 271 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.919 Then he goes on to talk about Josh's recently released 272 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.080 video called the Real Reasons Repeaters Are Dead, which I 273 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:21.320 had actually listened to and watched prior to this comment 274 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.960 coming across my channel. So I will link to that 275 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.320 video from somewhere in here. You guys, go watch that 276 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.200 if you haven't seen it yet. Josh interviews George from 277 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:32.720 pac Tenna, George from hem Ray to a workbench and 278 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.000 his assessment in a nutshell, He's got some really good 279 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.679 points you guys should go listen to. But in a nutshell, 280 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:42.919 he says that the repeaters are not dead. All of 281 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:45.240 the people who used to use repeaters still use repeaters. 282 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:49.879 They're just scattered between analog, D Star, DMR fusion, maybe 283 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.039 some PEA twenty five, maybe some other modes, maybe some 284 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.559 stuff n XDN. And you know what I say to that, 285 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.200 I say good, because we've been hearing for years how 286 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.000 dead the repeaters are, and if George is right, then 287 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.200 the repeaters aren't dead at all. We've been hearing for 288 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.759 years how AHEM radio is dying. Well, the number of 289 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.480 people licensed getting licensed every year since two thousand and 290 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.720 six proves that ham radio is not dying. There's more 291 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:14.080 people licensed today than there ever has been in the 292 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.120 history of the hobby, and the numbers continue to go 293 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.840 up each week. We did have a shot in the 294 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:19.320 arm in twenty twenty when a lot of people were 295 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:21.639 stuck at home, a lot of more people got licensed overall, 296 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:23.720 so the numbers dip back down in twenty twenty one, 297 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:25.960 but then they started going back up again. So, yeah, 298 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.440 we had the whole lockdown twenty twenty thing because of COVID. Sure, 299 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:31.320 but it still doesn't change the fact that they're more 300 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.200 licensed operators than there ever have been. And I've said 301 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.000 that on numerous videos and people are like, well, yeah, 302 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:38.080 but nobody is active. Well, if what George is saying, 303 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:41.399 everybody is active, everybody's just spread out in different places 304 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.759 so you don't notice it, to which I say, great, 305 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.039 that means people are active. That means there is activity. 306 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.120 That means there are people talking on different digital modes 307 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:55.519 throughout the Internet, throughout the country, throughout different radio modes, 308 00:14:55.559 --> 00:15:02.360 and different locations including analog. Great. I think that's great. Okay, 309 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.360 should we standardize everything just to get everyone back on 310 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.799 the same frequency or same mode? Again, that's not something 311 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:10.799 I would vote for. So you guys can go watch 312 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:12.720 that video and check that out if you want to. 313 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:15.679 I'm gonna read the first paragraph of this statement and 314 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.000 then I'm going to close it out with my final 315 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:21.399 reply to this and see what you guys think. I 316 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.200 think you just hit on what we are saying. Now, 317 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:26.960 think about this. Do you think that Google would allow 318 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.960 Spotify and Android devices if they believe users would still 319 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.440 buy them if they were locked to YouTube music? Okay? 320 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.840 First of all, Google doesn't own Android. I know there's 321 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:38.840 a lot of contention around that, but we are working 322 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:43.120 on degoogling some Android phones. Okay, so Google doesn't own Android, 323 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:45.799 and you can totally get an Android operating system to 324 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.399 load Spotify. You can root it if nothing else and 325 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.320 load what you want to. But I see what he's 326 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.159 saying here. Okay, I see what he's saying here. Do 327 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.600 you think Apple would not allow YouTube music app if 328 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:56.799 the iPhone were just like Okay, I'll have an iPhone, 329 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.200 but I also get my music from iTunes. Nope. I 330 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.879 think history shows it's clearly that both Apple and Google 331 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.320 love to do the vendor look in wherever they can 332 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.399 and get by with and the only thing that keeps 333 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.320 them from innovating in ways that benefit the users people 334 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.320 voting in there is voting with their wallet. In other words, 335 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.679 they're worried about making money and selling their own apps 336 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.519 and products more than they are about innovating. That is true, 337 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.360 and then he goes on to saying that is what 338 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.639 we should be doing, that is what we need to 339 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.039 be doing. No, we do not believe that Yazu is 340 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:27.840 going to decide standardized DMR because they've carved out a 341 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:31.200 little piece of the market for themselves that they believe incorrectly. 342 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:33.279 In my opinion, he and I agree on this, that 343 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:35.360 they will make more money like that, we need to 344 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:38.639 force people to become standardized. We need to do what 345 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.720 Google and Apple are doing by forcing people to become standardized. Really, 346 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:48.279 that's very anti that goes completely against the spirit of 347 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:53.320 amateur radio and radio experimentation, completely against it. In fact, 348 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.480 that's what my rebuttal to him. The last comment that 349 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.320 I did, I says, who is we? I'm not with 350 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.360 everyone since many of the comments on this video agreed 351 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.440 with my viewpoints. He's getting a little bit he was. 352 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.960 I don't know. Maybe I was getting a little bit heated, 353 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.400 and I read his comments like he was too. I 354 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:12.880 don't know. Again, I thank this person for commenting on 355 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.000 the video. You gave me some food for thought, and 356 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.920 this is good discussion. So amateur radio doesn't need to 357 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.240 be locked to any manufacturer, which is basically how it 358 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:25.559 is already. We are not locked to Yazu, Icom or Kinwood. 359 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.680 We are locked to d DVSI for the AMBI Code Act, 360 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.480 everything except M seventeen. That is so, without the ability 361 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.720 to innovate and create new modes on our own, M 362 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:39.079 seventeen would not exist. M seventeen uses a codec called 363 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:43.319 CODEC two, which is open source. Everything else uses a 364 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:48.680 DVSI codec, whether it's IMBE or AMBE, some form of AMBE, 365 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:55.319 it's a codec designed by DVSI, commercial commercial company, DVSI 366 00:17:55.440 --> 00:18:00.240 for commercial standards. Even d Star, even Fusion are all 367 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.440 dependent on the dvs sidchip and it's not going to 368 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.720 be completely open source because of that. M seventeen is 369 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:08.559 the first thing that is actually completely open source. My 370 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.519 next paragraph here says, Now, you might not agree with 371 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.119 that viewpoint, but I've already explained it very clearly several times. 372 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.920 Having a digital mode soup as you call it, is 373 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:19.519 only possible if we have the ability to innovate and 374 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:21.319 come up with new modes that are actually not locked 375 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.799 to any manufacturers, such as M seventeen, which uses CODEC two. So, 376 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.000 following through with your observation and opinion, if one manufacturer 377 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:31.720 chose to lock everything down or the FCC did, open 378 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:36.039 source projects like M seventeen would never exist. And in 379 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:39.279 another part of the comment, I had asked him who 380 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.559 gets to decide the standard? Who gets to decide the standard? Yazu, 381 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:46.839 because they would choose fusion, we get rid of everything 382 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:49.720 else icon they probably choose d Star. Kimwood might get 383 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:51.680 on board with that, but although Kinwood makes d mar 384 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.759 rados for their commercial customers, who gets to decide the FCC. 385 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:57.799 The last thing we want is the FCC giving us 386 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:00.680 more rules. Okay, we want the FCC to basically go 387 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.480 away for the most part. Ham radio operators, like I've 388 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.759 said in other videos, that have been self policing in 389 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.079 the past, and to a certain degree that's a good thing, okay, 390 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.759 and having the FCC do certain things is also a 391 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.599 good thing. Having the A double ORL involved is a 392 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:17.480 good thing. Which mode would you think they would choose? 393 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.240 You want to give the A DOBLEL permission to choose 394 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.920 us a mode, choose a mode for us, whatever it is, 395 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.640 and that's what we're all gonna do. You're gonna force 396 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.720 manufacturers to make a mode, or most likely the manufacturers 397 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:28.960 just say, oh, I'm not gonna make that mode, so 398 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.200 we're just gonna stop making digital radios and then you 399 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.839 don't have anything. So who gets to decide what the 400 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.519 standard mode is? I asked that question several times in 401 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.359