Speaker 1: Guess what this is?
Speaker 2: Sure pissed?
Speaker 1: No, No, Mary is closer just because she guess a whine.
Speaker 3: No, it depends on the brand. Let's be real.
Speaker 1: It's Oregon Pino noir.
Speaker 2: Those my second guess.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, what hell? Then Billy crapping in. It
Speaker 1: is Monday, May fifth, sixteenth. I'm your host, as always,
Speaker 1: Mike Maharty here with episode two hundred and sixteen, seventy sixteenth,
Speaker 1: And that's Dan Reikert jumping in for as Q. As always,
Speaker 1: that's Mary Mary. I said it's episode two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty seven.
Speaker 3: I think May sixteenth, and Mary, kesh, this is all inaccurate.
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: You know, we are in the age of misinformation and
Speaker 3: you are killing it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. What are you guys up to? What are
Speaker 1: you doing here? I'm kind of busy. What do you want?
Speaker 1: It's my favorite bit to do with Mary. When we
Speaker 1: were doing Knevila, She's like she'd start recording and be like,
Speaker 1: what do you want? I'm busy. That's my favorite. Every
Speaker 1: time we finished the resume before remake. Finally, because Mary
Speaker 1: was fucking dragging her feet for a year.
Speaker 2: It's very good.
Speaker 3: I just had the Bully.
Speaker 1: I still maintain that both RESUMEEL four and resume before remake.
Speaker 1: The last third of both of those games is not good.
Speaker 4: It's a bit of a slog, isn't it. Like I
Speaker 4: just kind of was like some grads finished. I was like,
Speaker 4: let's go, like, let's finish it, whereas like the first
Speaker 4: third of that game you don't want it to ever end.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is awesome. I'm loving it.
Speaker 2: Castle are Grade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I read like that was the era when it's
Speaker 5: like when I was buying games where it's like anytime
Speaker 5: it was longer, it always equaled good to me because
Speaker 5: it's like I'm getting more for my money, and so
Speaker 5: like when the Castle ended and then it's like, wait,
Speaker 5: are we going to this whole island? There's gonna be
Speaker 5: a whole other thing, I was like fuck yes. And
Speaker 5: like as I got older and also started getting games
Speaker 5: for free that probably helped me too. Then it was
Speaker 5: just like, oh, okay, longer doesn't always equal better, yea
Speaker 5: necessarily and yeah that could have ended after the Castle
Speaker 5: and been okay.
Speaker 3: It was fun. I still like the key.
Speaker 1: There's there's gotta be there's got to be a secret
Speaker 1: underground laboratory. It's resident evil, So I'm fine with that happening.
Speaker 1: It's the fact that you like, the zombies are this
Speaker 1: like fully armed militia with like garage doors that are
Speaker 1: on a timer that does this for some reason in.
Speaker 5: Search lights and it's just this laser commando or something
Speaker 5: which normally which is no problem with but it's.
Speaker 1: In and of itself. But yeah, but the village.
Speaker 5: And Castle were so like, I feel like there's diminishing.
Speaker 5: If there's three acts there, Village, Castle, Island, I think
Speaker 5: it is slightly diminishing.
Speaker 2: We're earns each time, even though I like all of it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And I think Resume before Remake did a really good
Speaker 1: job with the Castle, especially especially the metroidvany aspects of
Speaker 1: the puzzles that you're going back to underground, like the
Speaker 1: night you have to kill that one night to get
Speaker 1: the weapon up grade or whatever it is, or you
Speaker 1: get that the merchant gives you the blue note to
Speaker 1: go kill him. That stuffs great. And then also what
Speaker 1: the ways that they changed the blind wolverine dude fight
Speaker 1: with the bells. I think they did a good job
Speaker 1: and remake with that. I like what they did with
Speaker 1: the lake but man, we're finally done. Mary kind of
Speaker 1: finally sacked up and fucking finished it.
Speaker 4: I really I've been I've been bad, bad girl, but
Speaker 4: I was like, let's do this, let's finally do this,
Speaker 4: and I I'm proud of myself for finishing another Resident
Speaker 4: Evil game. I mean, we're like past ten of these
Speaker 4: games now, like we've done.
Speaker 1: Twelve, past ten, we count doesn't more than that. I
Speaker 1: think we're I think before we make was season six.
Speaker 3: King Senia sixteen sixteen, all.
Speaker 1: Right, sixteen, your's worth a lot for eleven twelve? Yeah
Speaker 1: that was thirteen thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, Jack.
Speaker 3: Like discussing game amounts in birthday sacraments.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Like Mario is just an actual middle aged man.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, legal what we say? Yeah yeah, or it's
Speaker 3: maybe what they said in the nineties. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's okay to say that anymore, Like that's kind
Speaker 3: of fucked up upon reflection, Mario's.
Speaker 1: Legal Wait wait, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think he had a mustard.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a six year old. I'm saying even
Speaker 1: legal for thirty eight.
Speaker 4: Uh eight numbers and we're like, oh, King seniora sweet
Speaker 4: sixteen eighteen is just was like legal.
Speaker 3: I was growing that was like, it's still for it,
Speaker 3: but is he not legal?
Speaker 5: World as a plumber with a mustache? Mario is a
Speaker 5: man now like baby Mario is a different situation that
Speaker 5: is a baby born.
Speaker 3: Were they not? Are you saying they came out of
Speaker 3: the womb?
Speaker 5: Like, so there's no evidence of Mario between baby and
Speaker 5: plumber man.
Speaker 4: But I think it's just different universes like Marvel where
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, this is a different timeline where yeah,
Speaker 4: where Mario is a baby, that's what he actually used
Speaker 4: to look like when he was not legal.
Speaker 2: I've never thought it was something he looks like Mario.
Speaker 3: Do you know this joke.
Speaker 1: I'm going to let you play it out.
Speaker 2: Watched joke when.
Speaker 4: I was growing up. People used to say that all
Speaker 4: the time, and I was like, that's really fucked up.
Speaker 4: Now look at me.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get us pulled off the air. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: the I.
Speaker 5: They showed the new Mario Tennis thing in the direct
Speaker 5: and there's a baby law Jesus Christ, Mariady drunk baby
Speaker 5: Wallawigi and I was like, fuck yeah, which like in
Speaker 5: in Mario lore, everyone's got a baby thing. There's baby Rosalina, Baby, Peach, baby, everything,
Speaker 5: but there's nothing between baby an adult.
Speaker 2: If they announced any kind.
Speaker 5: Of official Mario project, whether it's a fucking cartoon or
Speaker 5: a movie or a game, and there was like a
Speaker 5: sixteen year old Mario, I would hate it so much,
Speaker 5: just like you know, I'm a kid, I'm kid Mario, Like,
Speaker 5: I would fucking hate that guy, Mario.
Speaker 1: Broccoli hair and.
Speaker 2: Mario influencer marios O.
Speaker 3: God, they have baggy jeans, Jenko's.
Speaker 1: Straight edge.
Speaker 2: I would take. I would take drunk Mario like Mario
Speaker 2: just has a bad turn.
Speaker 4: And no at that age, it's just like they're scraping
Speaker 4: cigarettes off the ground and you know, asking you to
Speaker 4: buy them beer.
Speaker 3: Can you say tween Walluigi three times.
Speaker 5: Fast between Wallowigi, tween wallow tween wall Owigi. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm in practicing, you know.
Speaker 2: Susions work for me like a shithead high school age.
Speaker 3: Spell it really quickly, you're yeah, what's your desktop image? Pervert?
Speaker 2: Look, I brought this up.
Speaker 5: On the BombCast and this is fucking insane to me,
Speaker 5: which and it's not nothing wrong with this whatever people
Speaker 5: are into.
Speaker 2: But we'll get to the Holi Night discussion.
Speaker 5: Later, but I have frequently while playing this game, searched
Speaker 5: the Blue Sky for like, you know, I like the
Speaker 5: Trobio boss fight I was having trouble with, and so
Speaker 5: I was like, is.
Speaker 1: It just true?
Speaker 5: I just need to see I need to see if
Speaker 5: people are having problems with it. And I just searched
Speaker 5: the word Trobio and I go by latest to see
Speaker 5: what what people are saying. Every fucking other thing is
Speaker 5: just like here's my drawing of three Robio jacking off
Speaker 5: with his giant cock, or here's Hornet fucking sucking off Trobio,
Speaker 5: or here's I Today. I started Act three and I
Speaker 5: literally just typed in the phrase act three because I
Speaker 5: was like, man, this gut really hard, really quick, just
Speaker 5: to see what people were saying.
Speaker 2: And it was like dah, here's fucking DP Hornet with
Speaker 2: fucking last judge or whatever. What Yeah, yes, people are
Speaker 2: fucking horny.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like all the time.
Speaker 5: William hollow Night would be the thing, though, Like I know,
Speaker 5: people get very horny about video game paracters and stuff.
Speaker 5: We've discussed that, but like, yeah, I expected the cartoon
Speaker 5: Bug game to be that, you know, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 5: wonder if there's more of it with soak song or
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it because I'm searching for soaksong terms
Speaker 5: like the cross terms. Would it be like, oh, look
Speaker 5: at this cross puzzled fucking bukacky?
Speaker 1: Did you see did you see the Pickman three ship? But?
Speaker 1: Did you see the Pickman three ship? It?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna say you said, I know, I know,
Speaker 5: I know you're made of that, But just I'm gonna
Speaker 5: see if I can just type in something.
Speaker 2: As a pin in the Blue Sky go by Latest and.
Speaker 3: Blue Sky just like overwhelmed with porn right now?
Speaker 5: I think so when I think it's a lot of
Speaker 5: like video game art porn and stuff. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 5: not as filthy as the Hollid Night stuff. Maybe that's
Speaker 5: just like, but there is just some kind of like
Speaker 5: corny ish drawings of Pickman here.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of lowest from family guy porn out
Speaker 1: there too. You ever notice that I've heard that.
Speaker 3: See the market for her. I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: I heard people have told me yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Friend lunch a friend, name.
Speaker 5: My heart and said, so I will say Pickman does
Speaker 5: seem to buck the trend here. I'm not saying a
Speaker 5: lot of good, a thing of warriors ass and and
Speaker 5: it says, what's the aroma of the day.
Speaker 3: You're on a weird blue sky?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's uh.
Speaker 4: I feel like we maybe maybe it's just societal or
Speaker 4: maybe we're just like at that part of the internet
Speaker 4: where like you can't google something without it being disgusting.
Speaker 4: But like my friend the other day was like, oh,
Speaker 4: when was the last time you watched Shrek? And I
Speaker 4: like googled Shrek and I just saw Shrek's like it
Speaker 4: was a meme of like Shrek's butt and he just
Speaker 4: was turning around and going get at a mass swamp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3: Funny, but I was like, I didn't want to see
Speaker 3: your butt.
Speaker 1: That's hard.
Speaker 5: Thing was trying to figure out like what percentage of
Speaker 5: it is ironic and what percentage is like actually, like
Speaker 5: I'm waking off right now.
Speaker 3: You know, hear me Out is like a very popular
Speaker 3: trend right now?
Speaker 1: Do you know what that is? Dan? Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: did this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we hear me Out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we did episodes.
Speaker 3: I bet tween Waluigi would be on Dan's No.
Speaker 5: Look, I love Wallaig, but I can't say I have
Speaker 5: any interest in seeing any form of extual huaalauji, no,
Speaker 5: thank you, No, I.
Speaker 3: Would struggle with any of this. I understand that it's like,
Speaker 3: uh yeah, maybe it's like a part of our culture.
Speaker 3: But is nothing sacred anymore? Is Tetris clean?
Speaker 1: No way, those straight those straight lines, you can't look
Speaker 1: like that going into a whole perfectly formed for it.
Speaker 2: You can guarantee there's Tetris porn.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely Tetris porn. Real sex is basically Tetris and
Speaker 1: Twister combined.
Speaker 2: So the Bible described it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, did you see her shape?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, yeah bye. Exodus twenty three, twenty three,
Speaker 1: verses sixteen fourteen, when a man gets left hand yellow
Speaker 1: and the woman gets right foot red. Only then shall
Speaker 1: a vision of God come into the bedroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Twister is still a thing. I feel like Twister
Speaker 2: was such as in our childhood.
Speaker 1: My niece Enhew's played it every once in a while. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think it is.
Speaker 3: I think it was like a classic game. I wonder
Speaker 3: if they play candy Land anymore.
Speaker 2: That game does just suck.
Speaker 1: It really does, like there's just nothing, like you're just reskinned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about mouse trap.
Speaker 2: I like, oh, it's a mouse trap.
Speaker 5: The actual game sucks ass like the actual like I
Speaker 5: never Actually it's like, oh, you have to get like,
Speaker 5: you set it up, you do the thing, the green
Speaker 5: guy backflips into the fucking tub, and then it's just
Speaker 5: a great time for everyone.
Speaker 2: That's how simple it was.
Speaker 5: Back then, we watched that same fucking mouse trap thing
Speaker 5: go through four billion times and we loved it, loved it.
Speaker 1: Did you play Don't Like Daddy? Yes, that game was
Speaker 1: an anxiety Remember the commercials.
Speaker 2: I remember the commercials.
Speaker 1: And Daddy and you get you roll it. I think,
Speaker 1: like I'm probably butchering some of it. But you roll
Speaker 1: a dice or you roll a die and it tells
Speaker 1: you how many times you basically press this thing button
Speaker 1: on his alarm clock and it's like a jack in
Speaker 1: the box. It randomly resets every time you put his
Speaker 1: torso back down. It's like the gator tooth thing repressed
Speaker 1: the gator. Yeah, that was terrifying and then like stressful too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: terrif And then also, Don't Break the Ice was another game.
Speaker 2: Don't Bring the Ice is awesome.
Speaker 1: When you would uh, you would put speaking of tetris,
Speaker 1: you would flip this platform upside down, Yeah, with the
Speaker 1: hammer and then you'd fit them all in so like
Speaker 1: it would be push.
Speaker 3: Into the tile games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like push stuff.
Speaker 3: I think that feels good, is great.
Speaker 5: I think one that has the surprise element and the
Speaker 5: tactile element is Perfection. Do you remember that where you
Speaker 5: had to take the yellow pieces and you put it
Speaker 5: at for Operation Opera, your hands going.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you could kill that guy so easily.
Speaker 3: Did it just buzz or did it shock?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: Just buzz and mind vibrated?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The worst child though, right, I think?
Speaker 1: Is it like to a near lethal vibrated trust me? No,
Speaker 1: but it was the Yeah, Perfection messed with me too.
Speaker 1: But the yeah, don't wake Daddy always causings.
Speaker 3: Get caught up in the crossfire.
Speaker 2: The idea of Crossfire was always better than the game though.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That had a sick trailer though, like incredible, kids were
Speaker 4: like really excited and the Paul landscape.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's old, that's old old.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate Jenga's like resurgence as this beer Garden
Speaker 1: Brewery game, the Giant.
Speaker 3: One Giant Jenga.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the drink like in college, if we did the
Speaker 5: drinking game one where everything has something in the sharpie
Speaker 5: written on it. Chug a beer, you gotta you can
Speaker 5: give out to drinks you can?
Speaker 2: You know that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I just want to stop talking about
Speaker 1: video games for good and go play games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to change the podcast a lot.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of good games.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of good games. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: quite a few to talk about tonight and next episode
Speaker 1: within Bargoes Lifting, I think we're all playing something that
Speaker 1: we can't talk about right now, but looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: But we have plenty to talk about before that. Any Oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention I should have mentioned this at
Speaker 1: the very top of the episode. In fact, I might
Speaker 1: actually apologies if I'm repeating myself and I've re recorded
Speaker 1: it to put it at the top, because I should have.
Speaker 1: If you find yourself in the Venn diagram overlap of
Speaker 1: people who like wine and video games, and you're in
Speaker 1: the Tri State area or Pennsylvania, or you can be
Speaker 1: in New York in like let's tentatively say October twentieth,
Speaker 1: which is a Monday, which I realize is tough. The
Speaker 1: wine bar I help out at we're doing a fighting
Speaker 1: game tournament and we've got three prizes that are we're
Speaker 1: lining up, so put it on your calendar. What game
Speaker 1: smash Bros. When we're Yeah, so I'm torn. We're we're
Speaker 1: deciding on that between Melee and Ultimate. We're gonna do Melee.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do like three stock rules, no items, one
Speaker 1: on one. But basically it's gonna be a tournament. We're
Speaker 1: aiming for thirty two people. Doesn't mean if you're if
Speaker 1: you're not in the tournament, you could still come hang
Speaker 1: out the wine bar. Gonna set up one TV for
Speaker 1: the tournament itself, another TV for just like warming up
Speaker 1: or hanging out practicing or like you know, to show
Speaker 1: the scoreboard the once you get into the final four
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Gonna bring a bunch of different controller options.
Speaker 1: First prize is gonna be ah, we're aiming to make it.
Speaker 1: Actually I shouldn't get into the prizes yet, but there
Speaker 1: will be some really cool prizes. Whether you're super into
Speaker 1: wine or not. They will be wine related obviously, but uh,
Speaker 1: it'll be a fun time. It's the bar I help
Speaker 1: out at, so if you're in the area, could be
Speaker 1: a good opportunity come hang out. Kind of a meet up.
Speaker 1: I'll be there. That's one of us three, Yeah, come
Speaker 1: hang out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love the concept of a meetup is just if
Speaker 3: you run into one of us in the streets.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: The virus Scape meetup is so successful. Again, this is
Speaker 3: what happened to these gripes.
Speaker 1: Now they're alcoholic.
Speaker 3: Check it out.
Speaker 2: Is this your character when you are the wine guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? People hate like people hate it when I welcome
Speaker 1: them to the bar with that halcome.
Speaker 3: This response, but sit around, come trick it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So put October twentieth in your calendars and then
Speaker 1: we'll put it on I haven't asked Dana Mary about this,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna put it on Patreon and then we'll
Speaker 1: promote it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to huddle about it and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sign some paperwork.
Speaker 2: Yeaheah took the business rules.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, Jake is coming to town
Speaker 1: a couple of days to hang out here, our producer,
Speaker 1: Jake Decker. He's coming for my B day, My day.
Speaker 5: He's gonna be having to meet up. He's in a hotel,
Speaker 5: So just go say hi to Jack in the hotel seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The holiday on holiday and on the lower east
Speaker 1: Side just.
Speaker 2: Seven the Haunted Shining Room.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what. Yeah, Decker requests that everything puts her
Speaker 1: in the tub and says stir.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he brings like a Porky's meads shining situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we love him dearly though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be there. Go say hi to him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I know he's visiting.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 4: It's nice when your friend does Visit feels good. Speaking
Speaker 4: of I mean, like, we're gonna all be visiting each
Speaker 4: other pretty soon in like a couple not.
Speaker 1: That far away.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, some dates and stuff, not quite ready to
Speaker 5: announce yet, but uh, you know, we're doing our usual
Speaker 5: game of the year business doing Minnesota and that's gonna
Speaker 5: be great.
Speaker 1: This year.
Speaker 5: I was talking to Mike when I first hopped on
Speaker 5: this call about this year is going to be insane
Speaker 5: as far as the top ten, Like, yeah, there's as
Speaker 5: a lot of sleeper stuff that like you know, they it.
Speaker 5: It's not necessarily the huge titles that you would expect
Speaker 5: that are that came out of nowhere and are just like, oh,
Speaker 5: these are like some of the best games I've ever played.
Speaker 5: It's it's awesome. Like every I looked at my top
Speaker 5: ten right now, and every one of them is just
Speaker 5: a killer.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, last month or two for me has
Speaker 1: started to get tough or not tough, to get really fun,
Speaker 1: but then has caused me to, you know, see Game
Speaker 1: of the Year as this tough thing to rank, because
Speaker 1: early on in the year I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is fun, this is great. Oh that game is amazing.
Speaker 1: That will definitely be I can't see anything surpassing that. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I have like six games I'm
Speaker 1: kind of playing simultaneously. Other games might be demanding all
Speaker 1: my attention because I'm obsessed with them, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be interesting.
Speaker 4: We'll be like the all quarter of this year was
Speaker 4: a little dry, Like I don't remember having so many
Speaker 4: games where I was like, these are big contendees, and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, there's like six right now
Speaker 4: that I'm trying to raise.
Speaker 2: The Prince Blueprints was an early one.
Speaker 3: Yeah question on that one, but like fairly dry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what else happened early this year? A lot of them,
Speaker 5: like the Summer about I liked a Battle, Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was great, Yeah, I got playing that. Spring of summer
Speaker 5: is when it started to really pick up for sure,
Speaker 5: but yes, we will get to games in a bit. Obviously,
Speaker 5: Silk Song the big one, Uh, I've not talked to.
Speaker 5: I'd have some very brief first impressions with the three
Speaker 5: of us, we have not really got any pop We'll
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 1: Listen, this is the first time all three of us
Speaker 1: are talking about that game as a group extensively. There's
Speaker 1: definitely been one off d ms where I'm like, what
Speaker 1: did you think of this specific thing, or did you
Speaker 1: also hate this or did you also love this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I literally don't even know if Mary like likes
Speaker 2: it or anything.
Speaker 1: I have no clue.
Speaker 4: I haven't said anything about it yet, but like it's
Speaker 4: hard to not we we're not going to get to
Speaker 4: games just yet. But I just want to say, like,
Speaker 4: usually this first half is like, what have you been
Speaker 4: up to lately? And the truth is, this is what
Speaker 4: I've been up to lately.
Speaker 3: I took the day off of work and played Silk
Speaker 3: Song for eleven hours.
Speaker 2: That is what I did.
Speaker 4: And when you ask me, like, in the last two weeks,
Speaker 4: what was really memorable for you, It'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: pouring thirty five hours.
Speaker 3: Into this game, that is what I have been doing.
Speaker 4: When I am not working or like eating food, I
Speaker 4: am usually playing this game or thinking about this game
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 2: I guess if we're yeah, because we usually do just
Speaker 2: talk about this is ketchup shit, this is flushit time.
Speaker 2: There's one thing I think.
Speaker 5: I did, which you know, Tuesdays is me and Bonx
Speaker 5: movie night. So we did watch a movie. So did
Speaker 5: one non holid night thing. In the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: I saw Warfare.
Speaker 1: Fuck. I was literally about to bring this up.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is Days. I watched it last night, so
Speaker 2: did I.
Speaker 1: This is Days.
Speaker 5: That is an intense fucking movie. And like, I was
Speaker 5: curious because Mike, I feel like your family.
Speaker 1: Did, like maybe because we, like Hulu promote it to
Speaker 1: put it front and center for both.
Speaker 2: We watched it in a field Max.
Speaker 5: Yeah, since it got we saw the trailer and we
Speaker 5: heard just the concept of the movie and Alex Garland
Speaker 5: being involved in everything. It's like everything just kind of like, oh,
Speaker 5: this seems like us type of movie. And then I
Speaker 5: was very curious when I watched it to Mike, hear
Speaker 5: from you because family in the Iraq war and stuff
Speaker 5: and that in that in Ramadi, that was in that era.
Speaker 1: I made the mistake of watching that movie late at
Speaker 1: night after a man had gone to bed and I
Speaker 1: had had a few drinks and I read and I
Speaker 1: know Alex garland story too.
Speaker 2: So the yeah, so the idea of it is is
Speaker 2: that this was me.
Speaker 5: The director Alex Garland has a writing and directing credit
Speaker 5: on it, along with I think the guy's name is
Speaker 5: Rex something who was one of the soldiers that was
Speaker 5: Ray maybe Ray Mendoza, let me look, yeah, I forget
Speaker 5: the name. But so basically, actually in this incident and
Speaker 5: AB Starland shared yeah, NABC shared writing and directing credits,
Speaker 5: and like they basically recreated like it all kind of
Speaker 5: takes place in It's like an hour and a half long.
Speaker 5: It's in real time, which I'm a huge sucker for,
Speaker 5: like that real time storytelling thing, and of just this
Speaker 5: I don't want to like say exactly all the things
Speaker 5: that happen. Basically, they're stationed in Iraq in this one
Speaker 5: area and they're just kind of like hanging out making
Speaker 5: sure that there's not you know, conflict popping up or whatever,
Speaker 5: and then some shit goes down and then it's just
Speaker 5: like real time what went down, and it was supposed
Speaker 5: to be, like it was pitched at least as like
Speaker 5: extremely accurate, like working with the soldiers that were there,
Speaker 5: based solely on their testimony. There's no like created characters
Speaker 5: or anything like that. It's just supposed to be like
Speaker 5: we made a movie very specifically about this thing, like
Speaker 5: Mike did.
Speaker 2: Did it read to you as authentic? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, but like, uh so, the I believe
Speaker 1: the movie took The incident in the movie took place
Speaker 1: in I think the shorthand aliciation is Ramadi, but the
Speaker 1: town is called our Ramadi two months that this took
Speaker 1: place two months after September two thousand and six, which
Speaker 1: is you know, Felusha got a lot of the headlines. Felusha,
Speaker 1: I think everybody is part of everybody's like kind of
Speaker 1: vernacular now because of some fucked up shit that we
Speaker 1: were doing and stuff that was happening there. It was
Speaker 1: just like a one of the worst parts of Iraq.
Speaker 1: And then Ramadi is actually where my brother was with
Speaker 1: the Marines. He went twice to Ramadi. So I didn't
Speaker 1: realize a lot of that. I knew what the movie
Speaker 1: was generally about. I knew was Alex Carland and Who's
Speaker 1: Navy seal worked with him to ensure authenticity and helped direct.
Speaker 1: I knew the dude who played Luca from The Bear
Speaker 1: was in it. I know the guy from Showgun was
Speaker 1: in it. He was the sniper. I knew a bunch
Speaker 1: of actors. When I'm like, all right, a man, what's bad.
Speaker 1: It's ninety minutes. It'll be a tight ninety minutes. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it'll go by quickly and not feel like an eternity.
Speaker 1: Parts of it to me felt like the worst. But like,
Speaker 1: so I end up watching this movie where I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, so this is what it was like for
Speaker 1: my brother when he was twenty five fucking years old.
Speaker 1: So this happened a month and a half after my
Speaker 1: brother was there, during some days when we basically were
Speaker 1: calling hotlines. So many marines were dying that my parents
Speaker 1: were calling. They couldn't dispatch enough people to front doors
Speaker 1: to say your son had died, So they were hotlines
Speaker 1: set up to like check on whether your son or
Speaker 1: in some cases your daughter was alive. Luckily he was.
Speaker 1: But like I of the like war movies I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: this is the most like I think the word is
Speaker 1: overused I think it's cliche. This is a fucking visceral movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: there are some, and it's not like it's not over
Speaker 1: the top. When violence happens, it comes out of nowhere
Speaker 1: and it's it reminds me of Green Room. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw that, very very different movie. When
Speaker 1: violence happens, it's so matter of fact and like that,
Speaker 1: it's somehow way grosser. It'll be like, oh, here's some
Speaker 1: blurry shit in the background that's like audio that would shell.
Speaker 1: This explosion just happened, and now there's no audio for
Speaker 1: six minutes straight. One of the most effective parts of
Speaker 1: the whole movie for me.
Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna like spoil specific stuff again, this
Speaker 5: is the thing that really happens, so I don't know spoil. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's not like there is an explosion that happens, and
Speaker 5: in the immediate aftermath of it, it's very much doing
Speaker 5: that saving Private Ryan kind of trying to emulate the like,
Speaker 5: you know, disorientation and kind of tonightis type stuff and everything,
Speaker 5: and like you're kind of hearing muffled yells and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. And at one point they pull one of
Speaker 5: the guys who's yelling into the house and then it
Speaker 5: does this harsh cut from like super tonightis the guys
Speaker 5: that were outside to like hearing what his screams are
Speaker 5: like inside the house to just like people who weren't
Speaker 5: you know, concussed and Tonight's and stuff, and it is
Speaker 5: just so jarring. You just hear these awful screams and
Speaker 5: this guy is in a real bad way and oh
Speaker 5: my unbelievably effective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also like, uh, I've never been from a movie,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've talked my brother about a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff like that's neither here nor there, I guess,
Speaker 1: but he went through some very very bad stuff, like
Speaker 1: you know, none of which I obviously condone. But that's it.
Speaker 1: It's it, you know, it's it's it's been done, and
Speaker 1: you know, he's it still affects him to this day.
Speaker 1: But like, I've never watched a movie before where the
Speaker 1: movie itself and how certain characters are acting put me
Speaker 1: in the situation so quote unquote, well, there are certain
Speaker 1: characters that like we're going and like locking up and
Speaker 1: going into shock, and I kind of I like I
Speaker 1: understood it, and I'm like, how the fuck you're twenty five,
Speaker 1: You're twenty three, you're twenty one, you're any age, and
Speaker 1: this is happening right outside this building, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you have to go out and grab this
Speaker 1: dude and drag him when you know they're a bunch
Speaker 1: of these people who are just defending their town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right outside and like somehow, like the way the camera
Speaker 1: comes in over people's shoulders. And then later on and
Speaker 1: they're basically waiting. There's a past a certain point again
Speaker 1: like I don't it's it's a you can't really spoil
Speaker 1: this movie. It's not super plot heavy. They're waiting. At
Speaker 1: a certain point, they're like, hey, people know we're in
Speaker 1: this house. We're no longer this like recon out post.
Speaker 1: We are this target, so we need people to come
Speaker 1: in and help us.
Speaker 5: Oh cool, like medivacs and hearing like, oh, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be six minutes too.
Speaker 1: Bradley tanks coming in. So then they're like, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure the six minutes is real time, so they don't.
Speaker 1: So you're like you're waiting six minutes on your couch
Speaker 1: watching it, and I'm like that six minutes felt like
Speaker 1: forty minutes, and I'm like, it's it's so good at
Speaker 1: setting that stage and when stuff, when shit hits the fan.
Speaker 1: It's the most horrific movie I've seen in a while.
Speaker 1: Like I watched Weapons, and Weapons mess with me less
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, very very different, Like you know, it's
Speaker 1: not sensationalized horror.
Speaker 3: Pretty different.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but yeah no, but this is way
Speaker 1: like I'm okay, this, this is an apt comparison. Weapons
Speaker 1: is like this horror movie that's meant to scare you.
Speaker 1: Warfair is this movie that's presenting something matter of fact
Speaker 1: that happened based on ewhend discounts. That fucked with me
Speaker 1: way more in a horror sense, because all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I can't every single horror movie I've ever watched, minus
Speaker 1: like The Descent and Borderlands, Mary, which you and I
Speaker 1: watched for the podcast. We did every single horror movie
Speaker 1: I've ever watched.
Speaker 2: Borderlands was a bad movie, but I didn't know what.
Speaker 1: The nice I could remove myself and I could remind myself, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm watching horror. It's entertainment, Like I'm not. This movie
Speaker 1: like pulled me in in a way. I was having
Speaker 1: a very hard time reminding myself that I was, in
Speaker 1: fact on a couch watching this unfold and I was
Speaker 1: not fucking feeling all this, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because in a way like you're I mean you are,
Speaker 5: but you're not because like the whole time you're watching,
Speaker 5: you're like Jesus Christ, this really happened, like and I
Speaker 5: think that is like I feel like I do enjoy
Speaker 5: war Enjoy such a weird thing to say with movies
Speaker 5: like this, because like when I rated it on a letterbox,
Speaker 5: I like was thinking about giving it five stars, but
Speaker 5: then I thought that was kind of like.
Speaker 2: It's, well, you fuck, yeah, let's watch Warrior.
Speaker 5: It's like like that, it's incredibly well done, but I
Speaker 5: didn't want to, Like it's not like a you don't
Speaker 5: something in a movie Cook's ass, Like no, it's it
Speaker 5: reminds me more of like you know, saving Private Ryan,
Speaker 5: like the d Day scene, because you know, you have
Speaker 5: the more kind of like artistic you know, the Full
Speaker 5: Metal Jackets, the Apocalypse now is that are kind of
Speaker 5: using this war as a backdrop to tell a story
Speaker 5: about it, and then you have like the d DA
Speaker 5: scene from Private Ryan and Warfare that I think are
Speaker 5: just trying to like let's just present this as like
Speaker 5: the horrors of war just laid bare here without trying
Speaker 5: to like add a narrative over it or anything. And
Speaker 5: I think that's what made it so intense and affecting
Speaker 5: to me is that it's like this fucking happened, like yeah, horrifying.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I like halfway through, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could finish this, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is like it's also funny because you know,
Speaker 1: they're reconstructing this place where a family member was, and
Speaker 1: so I was I was wondering whether it was even
Speaker 1: good for me to keep watching the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I finished it. And you know, I, Jake
Speaker 1: and I used to do a video essay series for
Speaker 1: a GameSpot called Reboot, and there was an episode where
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, could video games potentially portray war in
Speaker 1: a quote unquote realistic way? Is it possible? I don't
Speaker 1: think it is. But there's a quote from I think
Speaker 1: it was French Watcherfoe, the French film director, saying there's
Speaker 1: no such thing as an anti war movie.
Speaker 2: But brought that up after we watch it. She said that, yeah,
Speaker 2: no matter how.
Speaker 1: Hard you try to portray war in a bad light
Speaker 1: in a movie, it's always going to end up being
Speaker 1: entertainment or it's always going to end up like sensationalizing
Speaker 1: or heroicizing or mythologizing the people in it. Warfare was
Speaker 1: one of the aside from Deer Hunter. I think Warfare
Speaker 1: Deer Hunters were rough. Yeah, both of those movies are
Speaker 1: like it's up there with Deer Hunter in a sense,
Speaker 1: and like Deer Hunter obviously digs into their home life
Speaker 1: afterward and before and whatnot. That's that's more of a
Speaker 1: you know, like this epic war movie. But like Warfare,
Speaker 1: I came away from like I just like I was
Speaker 1: kind of had a pit in my stomach, nauseous afterward. Yeah.
Speaker 5: She she brought up the quote to me after we
Speaker 5: watched it, and I was like, man, I don't know
Speaker 5: what this one if that applies, because like I can't
Speaker 5: imagine anybody watching this and being like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah America war Like this was cool, good thing.
Speaker 3: We were there, Iran, and I want to enlist, like
Speaker 3: you might surprise yourself.
Speaker 4: I mean even uh, you know, Band of Brothers, like
Speaker 4: a lot of the originals when they did this.
Speaker 3: People do idolize characters, right, and so it does end up.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, so like maybe I need to
Speaker 4: watch it and see if I can. But generally speaking,
Speaker 4: it is almost impossible to do this without being like, ooh,
Speaker 4: but there's a hero in this story.
Speaker 3: There's good We root for these.
Speaker 1: Guys, yeah, I mean a couple that people later on,
Speaker 1: and like again, you kind of see the effects of
Speaker 1: like shell shock, not shell shock, you see the effects
Speaker 1: of like this numbness and fear on the original squad,
Speaker 1: and then another platoon has to come in and help
Speaker 1: and they are just these professionals, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're like, it's just like then it becomes sort of
Speaker 1: about like how different leaders can affect the morale, and
Speaker 1: then you start thinking about like and then this other
Speaker 1: dude does come in and he's gung ho or like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's like this is so different than like
Speaker 5: I did not like American Sniper. You know, like these
Speaker 5: ones that are just like, oh, we're going to really
Speaker 5: you know, pull on the heartstrings and show the bravery
Speaker 5: of the I mean, there are definitely instances of bravery
Speaker 5: and courage and stuff like that and warfare, but like
Speaker 5: it does show these people as humans of like they're
Speaker 5: just getting concussed and shell shocked and panicking and uh,
Speaker 5: in a way that is, it's very easy to empathize
Speaker 5: with them the whole time.
Speaker 1: The family that owns the house that they and was
Speaker 1: in the bedroom like under like captive, and then the yeah, like.
Speaker 2: The the translators. Yeah, you know, like it's man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, seriously, just knowing it all happened this way, it
Speaker 5: really affected me in a major way. Yeah, it's like, damn,
Speaker 5: this is a I don't think I've seen a movie
Speaker 5: quite like that.
Speaker 1: I I don't even know that I can recommend the
Speaker 1: movie because I'm glad you watched it. I wouldn't know
Speaker 1: what to. I mean, like, I do think it's extremely
Speaker 1: effective and well made in what it was trying to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy watching it, Like it's not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's sure, yeah exactly, it's it's if this all sounds
Speaker 1: up your alley, I think this is one of the better.
Speaker 1: To Mary's point, there are episodes of Band Band of
Speaker 1: Brothers that absolutely make those guys out to be these myths.
Speaker 5: There are brother does that like very straightforward, but then
Speaker 5: like it does tend like look at these heroes.
Speaker 1: There are other episodes that you're like, man, this is
Speaker 1: rough to watch. This is that episode. This is like
Speaker 1: the this is intense, this is like chaotic, this is visceral.
Speaker 1: This is uh not the kind of movie I should
Speaker 1: have watched, like with a glass of wine after my.
Speaker 5: Nope, at the end when it pops up, like the
Speaker 5: credits pop up at the end, it was just like Jesus.
Speaker 1: I need to go for a walk or something. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you're not selling it for me right now.
Speaker 4: I'm like really looking for escapism too.
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 5: Escape isn't back to the quainter time of the Iraq War, right, Oh,
Speaker 5: what a lovely time.
Speaker 3: I can't even watch the Bear right now.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't have it in me, Like I'm
Speaker 4: not watching like eight people scream fucking you know, ship
Speaker 4: at each other while they try to make.
Speaker 5: Dinner, screaming and bleeding and shooting. Yeah, it definitely is that,
Speaker 5: I know, ruptures their ear drums for a bit. It's
Speaker 5: not all screaming.
Speaker 2: It is horrifying for most of the hour and a
Speaker 2: half running.
Speaker 3: When he opens the bottle of champagne, everyone gets the tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're like I can't.
Speaker 5: No, no, there's the part where he's trying to give
Speaker 5: morphine to the guy who's bleeding out and he accidentally
Speaker 5: does it upside down and jabbed himself.
Speaker 2: With the morphine.
Speaker 4: Canna beans and beans go everywhere, and they're like, we
Speaker 4: have eighteen orders.
Speaker 3: We are past due.
Speaker 1: Oh. And then there's the part where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they got to roll this guy over. How bad could that?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? And then they do the other way. Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh, wait, his shins are in eighty pieces,
Speaker 1: so that's gonna hurt a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the guy's money, he's running out of money for
Speaker 4: the restaurant, but they've got to make this dinner rush.
Speaker 1: He's like getting rolled over with morphine. He's like, thank
Speaker 1: you sho enough every time to get morphine. I shouldn't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was definitely the biggest.
Speaker 5: Test of my Like, you know, I talk about, like,
Speaker 5: you know, movies like I don't really cry. I don't
Speaker 5: get you know, emotionally affected by movies because it's just
Speaker 5: like I can just see that like this is a movie.
Speaker 2: This was a sound stage in Burbank.
Speaker 5: This didn't really happen, and my brain can't really do
Speaker 5: that clicking it, but like my brain clicked in with
Speaker 5: this one because it's like now does happened, so like
Speaker 5: I felt every bit of it.
Speaker 1: You know, this movie is extremely good at putting you
Speaker 1: in a very specific spot at a very specific time
Speaker 1: for ninety minutes in real time. And if that sounds
Speaker 1: like it's something you want to see, you can go
Speaker 1: for it if you want to, Like Mary said, enjoy
Speaker 1: your entertainment and like kind of escape, don't do this
Speaker 1: is not that, which I totally get and I probably
Speaker 1: should have told myself before I started that movie. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't regret watching it, but yeah, I with my
Speaker 1: personal family baggage attached to it, literally.
Speaker 2: Talking about you, like while I was watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was where he was, Like it took
Speaker 1: place a month and a half after he was he
Speaker 1: was still there when it was happening, But this took
Speaker 1: place a month and a half after some shit was
Speaker 1: going down with him in his marines.
Speaker 2: But it didn't seem like a good time.
Speaker 1: No, doesn't. Not not on my like, not on my
Speaker 1: bucket list to go through that ship.
Speaker 2: Not so much mar you watch anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one travels back in time to be a chef
Speaker 3: for Samurais.
Speaker 4: She's got to make flat but the steak is tough, Nor.
Speaker 2: Does she have morphine to help her morphine steak.
Speaker 1: No, Mary, I I really I wish I had. I
Speaker 1: wish you were there to tell me, hey, let's watch
Speaker 1: something that we cannot think about.
Speaker 4: I mean, not to bring it back to games, but like,
Speaker 4: because I've been playing Hollow Night so much. The idea
Speaker 4: of like finishing a Boston Hollow Night and going down
Speaker 4: and watching a war movie like get Out.
Speaker 3: That's literally not have a heart attack.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I played like hours of Hollow Night and then watched Warfare.
Speaker 5: And then you.
Speaker 3: Want to live.
Speaker 4: Past forty five, like we are. We have to be
Speaker 4: kinder to our hearts. Like I I am so stressed.
Speaker 4: I work and I am like, wow, that was a
Speaker 4: really stressful day. And then I play Hollow Night and
Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, that was a really stressful game.
Speaker 2: This is why my hair war frame.
Speaker 1: Fucking company that makes Xanax is having a field day. Though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh there's like no reprieve. Even my hobbies are
Speaker 3: stressful right now.
Speaker 4: I need I like, uh, I started every summer, I
Speaker 4: like try and grow a vegetable, and every summer I
Speaker 4: fail because it doesn't get that much sun in Portland.
Speaker 4: It's like kind of you know, it's like not the
Speaker 4: sunniest town in the world, but we've had a really
Speaker 4: sunny summer and I planted a tomato plant and all
Speaker 4: summer I watered it and kind of waited, and god.
Speaker 3: Damn it, I got my first tomato this weekend.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 5: So what happens then, Is it just a celebration you
Speaker 5: have a tomato party, or is it just like you
Speaker 5: eat it and it's like that's that.
Speaker 3: I cut it up and I put it into guacamole.
Speaker 3: But before I put it in guacamole, I had one
Speaker 3: like piece by itself and ate it. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's some you know, cognitive dissonance in there, which is like,
Speaker 3: this has to be the best tomato of all time
Speaker 3: because I grew it, but it genuinely tastes so much
Speaker 3: better than store bought tomatoes. I wish I could have
Speaker 3: grown more than one.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is growing numerous harder than growing like, let's say
Speaker 5: you're growing one. Is there a big difference between grown
Speaker 5: one and growing six? Or is it just like I
Speaker 5: gotta put the water over like I played stardoo oh ba.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about growing crops. That's all
Speaker 1: I've been reading about for the last fucking four years.
Speaker 2: This tomato wine was a one.
Speaker 3: It was a star. It was a star.
Speaker 4: This would have won the awards at the fair. I
Speaker 4: think when I grow up, we would do cherry tomatoes.
Speaker 4: And you can get like thirty cherry tomatoes when you
Speaker 4: do that, because they're small and they just kind of
Speaker 4: pop out right.
Speaker 3: Well, if you're growing one fat tomato, which is what
Speaker 3: this plant was doing, it just took months for it
Speaker 3: to like like shove this one out the door. I
Speaker 3: was so proud of it for me, even one, but
Speaker 3: I wish I could have had. It's kind of a
Speaker 3: bummer to be like, I grew tomato this summer. It
Speaker 3: can't even say tomatoes.
Speaker 1: That's good that you got one. That's better than most
Speaker 1: people what you do this summer.
Speaker 3: I grew tomato.
Speaker 5: It's the journey, not the destination, right, No, I want
Speaker 5: to eat it, absolutely well, there's.
Speaker 2: Ways if you just want to eat one.
Speaker 1: But they do taste better fresh like from your own
Speaker 1: I mean they literally are go through way lesservation.
Speaker 4: I don't know what tomatoes are like in your supermarkets,
Speaker 4: but airloom tomatoes, which is what I would compare a
Speaker 4: homegrown tomato too, right, like something that's like by a farmer.
Speaker 4: You know, they're kind of weird looking with all the
Speaker 4: little noodles and hooks in them. They don't look like
Speaker 4: your regular tomatoes that you get. They can be like
Speaker 4: seven dollars, like they're expensive per pound, but like that's
Speaker 4: a lot of money for tomatoes.
Speaker 2: This may shock you. I've never bought a tomato in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: Should yeah tomatoes. No, no, no, I'm new to the
Speaker 1: tomato game, and like, dude, tomatoes I didn't. I grew up.
Speaker 1: My whole family. We disliked them. I thing because of
Speaker 1: like the texture. Yeah, but oh my god. Now I
Speaker 1: think like if I if there's one I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'll call it a fruit. I know it's a debate,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it's a fruit. Is I think
Speaker 1: it's just a fruit. It's a fruit of a vegetable plant,
Speaker 1: I guess, but it's no, it's a fruit. I don't
Speaker 1: fucking know. I call it a fruit. If there's one
Speaker 1: thing food thing I could not you know ingredient I
Speaker 1: could not live without. Tomatoes is on the shortlist. Good tomatoes.
Speaker 1: I eat them like an apple. Now, air loom tomatoes.
Speaker 1: People say when people ask like, why do you like
Speaker 1: airloom tomatoes, a lot of people say they have more flavor.
Speaker 1: It's not just that they have more flavor, it's that
Speaker 1: they have like eight more eight additional flavors that normal
Speaker 1: store bought tomatoes don't have. That you're not gonna get like,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's several layers to it. It's they are
Speaker 1: completely different fruit and they are just delicious.
Speaker 2: So I just Google image search air one tomato. Don't
Speaker 2: know what these are.
Speaker 4: I'm glaving that you guys were talking about war like
Speaker 4: ten minutes ago, and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 4: you guys, I'm really into tomatoes right now.
Speaker 1: You navigated us out of trying.
Speaker 3: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: You're the second squad that comes in. Yeah, Dan, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't get out. Let's talking about fucking tomatoes. Fucked up.
Speaker 2: So I'm living these tomatoes.
Speaker 5: And to my layperson's eye, when I picture tomato in
Speaker 5: my mind's eye, it's just smooth and round and it's
Speaker 5: got the little green thing coming out the top.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: These there's way more creases going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've gone like all these bits and bobs they've
Speaker 3: got they like look weird. They almost look like aliens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got company vibes to them, and I think
Speaker 4: that's I wish I knew more about airlom tomatoes, but
Speaker 4: I just think like they are they are bread more
Speaker 4: like in small quantities, whereas the tomatoes you were probably
Speaker 4: eating were made for mass consumption, and so they're trying
Speaker 4: to go for a many tomatoes.
Speaker 1: It's humanly you can shape over and over under these
Speaker 1: same conditions, whereas like airloom tomatoes are often grown on
Speaker 1: small hectares in Europe or whatever, or you know, like
Speaker 1: San Marzano tomatoes in uh Campania. I think like those
Speaker 1: like they grow in an actual like field where the
Speaker 1: conditions are not you know, it's up to the climate,
Speaker 1: so then they can like grow in weird ways. But
Speaker 1: again they develop phenolic ripeness over the course of a
Speaker 1: growing season, so they can get actual like tens of
Speaker 1: different flavors.
Speaker 2: So they I was just gonna say all of that.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think my well was poisoned with tomatoes
Speaker 5: because growing up not just tomatoes, but like so many
Speaker 5: different things that took me forever to get to, like
Speaker 5: you know, uh, pickles, tomatoes, mustard, things like that that
Speaker 5: In recent years, I've kind of been like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: why didn't I know these were good? Because like, since
Speaker 5: everything I fucking ate from my entire childhood was like
Speaker 5: McDonald's and stuff, I'm sure that's not the top of
Speaker 5: the line and stuff because I just remember like they
Speaker 5: look floppy and gross.
Speaker 4: And imagine your first tomato being on a subway sandwich.
Speaker 4: It's like paper thin and looks like bent, tastes like water,
Speaker 4: just like complete sad sandwich.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course that's not going to be a good impression.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think that's maybe part of why I
Speaker 5: grew up thinking like that stuff looks gross, And now
Speaker 5: that I can try like actual, like normal ones, not
Speaker 5: fast food or whatever, it's like, oh I get it now, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No that they're uh tomatoes are I would hate to
Speaker 1: live without them. Glad you grew one. Thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: proud of it.
Speaker 3: The guac was really good too.
Speaker 4: I had a nice evening and I bought my other
Speaker 4: stupid fact but I am proud of this, so I
Speaker 4: will share it unapologetically.
Speaker 3: I like estate sales, and I went to a state
Speaker 3: sale and this this.
Speaker 4: Lady must have really liked bakewear. Or like cookware that
Speaker 4: is seasonal. So they had like all these different pots
Speaker 4: and pants, but it was like specifically for Christmas, and
Speaker 4: they had like snowflakes on them. But she had an
Speaker 4: entire set of bakewear for fall and had pumpkins on it.
Speaker 4: I bought the whole damn pack, all ten pieces with
Speaker 4: their original lids, seventy dollars in today's Yeah, in today's money,
Speaker 4: this should have been like six hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled.
Speaker 4: And so I made this food specifically so I could
Speaker 4: showcase all these different pieces.
Speaker 1: I liked it it, I love it.
Speaker 3: I thank you. I was like, I'm I'm vtny cracker.
Speaker 4: I was like enjoying the experience of like having an
Speaker 4: excuse to use all my custom fall bakeware, which I
Speaker 4: will have to put in a plastic bin at the
Speaker 4: end of I guess November, because the season will be
Speaker 4: over these next three months.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be insufferable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're holding off on. There's apple cider at
Speaker 1: the grocery store now, and I'm mould cider every year,
Speaker 1: and also applesider is the best thing ever. I used
Speaker 1: to make homemade apple cider. My grandpa so it's got
Speaker 1: like I've have strong memories attached to it. I held off.
Speaker 1: I did, not getting it till the official first day
Speaker 1: of fall, which is Monday the twenty second, which is
Speaker 1: my birthday.
Speaker 3: Monday.
Speaker 1: I always bring in the fall my birthday and.
Speaker 3: Your big apple boy, big big apple.
Speaker 2: Pilla's tanging brown. You're insider town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in cider town twenty four seve until November
Speaker 1: twenty seven.
Speaker 3: I tare you that quote?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 3: Are you a pumpkin spice?
Speaker 6: Girly?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 5: I did recently have a pumpkin spice thing. Bonk went
Speaker 5: to I think Carabou Coffee or something. They had a
Speaker 5: pump I knew it was bunk.
Speaker 3: She's the best thing ever happened to you. Every time
Speaker 3: I ask you something and hope that you've experienced it,
Speaker 3: you're like, you know what, Bonk?
Speaker 1: Did you think you think you're breaking news to me?
Speaker 2: Christ No, she she got me.
Speaker 5: Whether it's Starbucks or Cara or something, she got me
Speaker 5: a pumpkin spice something or other, And.
Speaker 2: Goddamn, it's just a good fla. I see why it's popular.
Speaker 3: It's good. Everybody likes the pumpkin spice I'm into it.
Speaker 3: I was not as strong as you, Mike. I as
Speaker 3: soon as I saw a pumpkin spice coffee.
Speaker 4: Creamer, I got it because one of my favorite times
Speaker 4: of year is when my coffee tastes like pumpkin spice.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna get us Starbucks every like that's insane,
Speaker 4: So I just make it at home in the morning
Speaker 4: and do my little You actually like to make the
Speaker 4: syrup myself. It's really easy and you just chuck it
Speaker 4: in a jar. Then you have pumpkin spice all all
Speaker 4: month long. Again, I'm going to be insufferable.
Speaker 3: I love this season. It's my fast season.
Speaker 5: Yes, whenever something gets like newly kind of very popular
Speaker 5: in more recent years or whatever, it tends to become
Speaker 5: a meme to shit on it between Like you know,
Speaker 5: pumpkin spice stuff or avocado toast is the go to
Speaker 5: for like boomers making fun of millennials and stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's like, no, they're just good, Like avocado toast.
Speaker 5: Isn't this like stupid thing that like is a fad
Speaker 5: or some think it's like no avocados kicks ass.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Chris Plant said something when we worked together at Polygon
Speaker 1: that really resonated. He he mentioned not and he might
Speaker 1: have been paraphrasing somebody else, but I remember him being
Speaker 1: the one to tell me that not everything that's good
Speaker 1: becomes popular, but everything that becomes popular there's some there
Speaker 1: tends to be something good about it in the entertainment space,
Speaker 1: Like there might be something really shitty that gets popular,
Speaker 1: you can probably find something good about it. Sure in
Speaker 1: the sense that, like something spoke to that many people,
Speaker 1: there must be something worthwhile about it.
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to think like a greater examples of things,
Speaker 5: like what what is the biggest discrepancy between most popularity
Speaker 5: and least the Kardashians. Yeah, but even then they seem
Speaker 5: to have a good sense of just like was never
Speaker 5: seen the show, but like they might have understood, yeah
Speaker 5: audience where Reality TV was, And yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Might have to stretch farther.
Speaker 3: You want something like universally hated that's popular, Dan, what
Speaker 3: are you looking.
Speaker 5: For anything that you would consider objectively bad that got
Speaker 5: very popular, Like, I mean, you can point to a
Speaker 5: million different bad things or whatever, oh, Backstreet Boys or something,
Speaker 5: but people like that, what.
Speaker 2: Do you wire you fuckers laughing?
Speaker 1: I'm not nothing. Something has to do with what we
Speaker 1: were saying before we started recording.
Speaker 2: Just move on, we will move on.
Speaker 3: There's nothing like that that matches that just weird.
Speaker 2: I understand, and we will move on.
Speaker 1: But no, I think again. I apologies Chris, and he
Speaker 1: listens to us every once in a while. Apologies if
Speaker 1: I'm butchering your quote, but there is I think it's
Speaker 1: worth remembering that even when something you thing sucks and
Speaker 1: has no redeeming qualities, it got popular for some reason.
Speaker 3: Everything is great. There's actually nothing wrong with anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah one saying, yeah, do you want.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about video games. Okay, it's time. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about solid Day, silk song. Hellow night, Solid Day, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hellow night.
Speaker 2: Oh that's bad. That's not a good.
Speaker 1: Let's start over. Let's start over.
Speaker 2: We're not alive. Take on that.
Speaker 3: I want everyone to know who you are.
Speaker 1: Start over. Let's start over.
Speaker 2: Taking you actually to keep that in. That was just terrible, Jake,
Speaker 2: bleep it out. Mary. There's so many people that can
Speaker 2: do a podcast.
Speaker 3: Don't you have a button?
Speaker 5: You have all those fart My ship hasn't been working,
Speaker 5: so that's I've not been able to part for real because.
Speaker 1: You got I don't know that.
Speaker 5: I think I still have a fart. Hang on ones
Speaker 5: that were like grandfathered in, I can do.
Speaker 2: Do I not have a fart?
Speaker 1: I love Dan farting in like a courthouse and saying
Speaker 1: that one was grandfathered in. It's fine.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have a this is allowed.
Speaker 5: No, I have the built in ones. I have none
Speaker 5: of my custom ones. It's it's time to get serious.
Speaker 1: No sense.
Speaker 5: Okay, Oh sorry, so sir, okay, do it do a
Speaker 5: witty intro to this segment.
Speaker 1: We've all been playing a game called Hollow Night's Silk Song.
Speaker 5: Accurate if not witty. Yeah, okay, Okay, here's the deal.
Speaker 5: This has been a long running thing, going back to
Speaker 5: the beginnings of this podcast about this game, going back
Speaker 5: before that, going back to me and Mary yelling at
Speaker 5: each other.
Speaker 3: Uh, going back before that, before I knew you existed.
Speaker 5: That's not true, that's not true Twitch office with you
Speaker 5: and and you we were sitting in the weird Twitch
Speaker 5: bar Pinball Lounge or.
Speaker 2: Whatever in San Francisco.
Speaker 5: Because I remember being like, Wow, she really fucking likes
Speaker 5: Hollow Night. I think it had just come out, and
Speaker 5: you were like in full you know, like four beers
Speaker 5: in rave mode about it, and I played a little
Speaker 5: bit and I was like, it's fine, all right, who's
Speaker 5: this weirdo?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: That seems accurate. That does sound like something that happened.
Speaker 4: I have no memory of that, but that.
Speaker 3: Does sound like what I remember.
Speaker 5: The whole saga I do recall, and we've had a
Speaker 5: lot of evolutions of it, and honestly, we have not
Speaker 5: talked about this prior. Like all I have seen is
Speaker 5: I've seen a couple of people in like Giant Bomb
Speaker 5: Chat and stuff like that mentioned like, oh I was
Speaker 5: watching Mary stream and she was raging at this boss
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's true, but we have not talked about it.
Speaker 3: So it's exciting. These are like our genuine, fresh first impression.
Speaker 1: I never got the chance to talk about Hollow Night
Speaker 1: the first game on the show because you two always
Speaker 1: are fucking you.
Speaker 2: Blew it with your fucking intro let us have our moment.
Speaker 1: Mom and Dad are always arguing, and I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: in the corner listening to fucking ever Clear.
Speaker 2: Go suck off some pipes or whatever you do.
Speaker 3: Why the solid day fucking out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, go fu talk about the game. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Oh you're playing it too Okay, too late, time out? Okay,
Speaker 2: even start? How do we eat?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start. I will start because I feel very down.
Speaker 2: Mary.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 2: The floor is yours. Mary.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I've never been at odds with song discussion.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to have this conversation with you all.
Speaker 4: I've been almost dreading it a little bit because I
Speaker 4: I really do love this game, and I am enjoying
Speaker 4: all of my hours that I've poured into I think
Speaker 4: I've poured thirty five hours into it, which is crazy
Speaker 4: considering I have not beat it.
Speaker 2: Chicking, So thirty five for Mary, I'm at about forty
Speaker 2: as of today.
Speaker 1: Mike, you're at twelve. Okay, I just all I can
Speaker 1: tell you the thing I just unlocked. I'll probably be
Speaker 1: a spoiler. THO wouldn't it?
Speaker 3: Hey, do you know what?
Speaker 1: This is good?
Speaker 5: This is gonna be the big Soilk song discussion for
Speaker 5: this podcast. So like, hey, if you're worried about spoilers, uh,
Speaker 5: this is not the segment for you. So I agree
Speaker 5: all on the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to like get rid
Speaker 3: of crazy stuff, but like, yeah, it's you have to
Speaker 3: talk about some of the boss.
Speaker 2: And abilities and bosses and yeah, totally no.
Speaker 1: I've like, I think an hour ago I unlocked the
Speaker 1: the glide ability, and that's a very helpful one. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be that. I've been using it for about an
Speaker 1: hour hour two backtracking. I have not gotten to the
Speaker 1: next big boss. But I just thought, yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: where I'm at.
Speaker 3: I think it's phenomenal.
Speaker 4: I think it is such a powerhouse of a game.
Speaker 4: It really pushes you as a player. I have never
Speaker 4: felt so pushed with my ability to deal with serious
Speaker 4: combat situations, stress. The platforming of sections are so long
Speaker 4: and arduous, and yet at every turn and every death.
Speaker 3: And it is true what you have heard of my streams.
Speaker 4: And me being like these sons of bitches, which I
Speaker 4: did say multiple times out loud when.
Speaker 3: Streaming this game.
Speaker 4: I adore this game, but it is punishing, is punishing
Speaker 4: me as a person. And I have said out loud
Speaker 4: multiple times, maybe I'm not as good of a gamer
Speaker 4: as I think I am. And then I do something
Speaker 4: really cool and I say out loud, I am the
Speaker 4: greatest gamer on Earth.
Speaker 5: I think that's that's the big thing with this game is,
Speaker 5: like Bonk has mentioned, like while I'm playing it downstairs,
Speaker 5: she's hearing me. I'm screaming, I am fucking like I've
Speaker 5: had a couple bosses that it's like, you know, twenty
Speaker 5: thirty times it feels like I'm just dying and I
Speaker 5: get so close and some complete horseeshit happens, like god,
Speaker 5: fuck got n Like I don't get I'm not a
Speaker 5: throwing controllers, angry gamer type or anything, but like I
Speaker 5: am so because I get so fucking invested in like
Speaker 5: this is the time. I know all the attacks I
Speaker 5: just have to fucking execute and I've gotten so angry
Speaker 5: at it. But that's the thing is like, Okay, so
Speaker 5: a lot of games like Okay, for instance, we'll probably
Speaker 5: talk a little bit about border Lands four, and after
Speaker 5: this Borderlands four you could probably play that whole game
Speaker 5: and be at a solid six point five out of
Speaker 5: ten enjoyment for many many hours.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: With Hollow Night, I have had moments where I'm at
Speaker 5: a one out of ten, and then I have moments
Speaker 5: where I'm in a fucking fifteen out of ten. You know,
Speaker 5: it's just and that range, like I like it all
Speaker 5: where it's like, you know, I'll go upstairs after I'm
Speaker 5: playing and I'll be like, oh my god, the game
Speaker 5: is incredible. I love it, And Bonk were like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it really sounds like you're loving it down there, like,
Speaker 5: you know, santastically because I'm.
Speaker 2: Yelling at something and I'm like, no, but no, I do.
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing I do.
Speaker 5: Like I'm getting angry and I'm yelling, but it's I
Speaker 5: don't think I would change anything. It is brutal and
Speaker 5: challenging in a way that like I am nostalgic for.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, growing up playing like any S
Speaker 5: games like you know, Mega Mans and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and beating your head against stuff over and over again,
Speaker 5: just getting pissed off, and then when you finally beat it, Oh,
Speaker 5: it's better than that because like there wasn't a lot
Speaker 5: of horseshit stuff in like old Nees games and that
Speaker 5: we're like not good hard you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: This is like this is like meant to be this
Speaker 2: way and hard.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I actually said the same thing, which is I haven't
Speaker 4: been this angry at a game since Lion King on
Speaker 4: Sega Genesis. Like shit, that last boss fight of Lion King.
Speaker 4: I was like, first of all, I don't even know
Speaker 4: how to throw scar Is too. This is too hard,
Speaker 4: it's not possible. But even once you figure out what
Speaker 4: you're supposed to do, it can take you so many
Speaker 4: lives and then you're gone. You lose your whole save
Speaker 4: and you start all over again. That's a fucking brutal game.
Speaker 4: This game is also brutal, but in a different way.
Speaker 4: It's teaching you very extreme mechanics over time, that you
Speaker 4: will die so money times figuring it out, and that
Speaker 4: even once you're like, oh, I actually figured it out,
Speaker 4: I know what they're teaching me.
Speaker 3: You stupid bitch. You're gonna have to do it another
Speaker 3: one hundred times. You're not there yet. You still don't
Speaker 3: know what you need to do to get it done.
Speaker 3: That's how tough they've made this game, but it is.
Speaker 3: It is so rewarding when you are able to actually
Speaker 3: succeed in this game. I feel such a sense of
Speaker 3: accomplishment when I am able to get past that boss fight.
Speaker 3: When I saw the words act Too, my jaw hit
Speaker 3: the fucking floor. I could not believe. I thought I
Speaker 3: beat the game. I'm so stupid. This game has humbled me.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember what was the moment that does
Speaker 5: the switch over, because like I have lately just been
Speaker 5: in the act two to act three thing and I
Speaker 5: try to remember what because it's the grandmother silk thing
Speaker 5: for act two to three? What is the thing between one?
Speaker 4: And it's it's the firebug that has the really long
Speaker 4: run up. He's like a bug and a second phase
Speaker 4: run back, and his second phase he has a fire
Speaker 4: mallet and he like, is it the.
Speaker 2: One on fire? Is it the one where the ground
Speaker 2: is falling out into the lava.
Speaker 1: No, that's the giant with the forearms.
Speaker 2: I'm struggling to remember which one this is, but like, okay,
Speaker 2: so fucking many of these things.
Speaker 3: It's a sand area with wind and it has a
Speaker 3: really father of the flame run back and then we.
Speaker 2: Father the flame is the one where we break the
Speaker 2: lanterns uh.
Speaker 4: He has a like a lantern on a uh like
Speaker 4: on a metal chain and he throws it at you.
Speaker 4: But it's also on fire now and then waves of
Speaker 4: fire go go by.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe last year that's elden.
Speaker 4: Ring shit, Like, oh yeah, they I'm surprised. I this
Speaker 4: boss is like locked in my core memory. This one
Speaker 4: was so hard for me personally and then when I
Speaker 4: got it done, I was like, that's it. What a
Speaker 4: what an incredible accomplishment. These benches are liquid gold, they
Speaker 4: are chocolate for the eyes, they are like heroin. I'm
Speaker 4: so elated when I see a bench anymore. I'm like, sweet,
Speaker 4: sweet very wine. I cannot believe I get to sit
Speaker 4: on this.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy. I'm so so so happy when I
Speaker 3: see these. And I just think that this game evokes
Speaker 3: so much emotion.
Speaker 4: There have been issues that I've had with it, but
Speaker 4: like generally speaking, what I'm saying is like I don't
Speaker 4: think I've had a game make me feel this way
Speaker 4: in years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like there are there were phases
Speaker 5: of like, you know, most bosses I would say, you know,
Speaker 5: i'd be between like the third or fifth time I
Speaker 5: bought them, and then there were like a few that
Speaker 5: like you know, we're in that fifteen twenty thing, and
Speaker 5: like for those those are the ones, I'm yeah, those
Speaker 5: are the ones I'm screaming at, and like they kind
Speaker 5: of all follow the same pattern where it's like okay,
Speaker 5: the first like ten times, you're just kind of learning
Speaker 5: the attacks, like okay, when he does this, when he
Speaker 5: jumps in the air. I just need to not be
Speaker 5: at a diagonal and then I can do the pogo
Speaker 5: stuff or whatever, and then then you kind of learn
Speaker 5: phase two and then it's like, okay, well phase three is.
Speaker 2: The last one.
Speaker 5: That's when the ads come in you know how to
Speaker 5: take you Like, so there's the part. There's the learning process,
Speaker 5: which i'd say with these really hard ones or like
Speaker 5: maybe ten tries, and then there's the like overconfidence where
Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, I know how this guy works, I
Speaker 5: know all the attacks. I just got to go in
Speaker 5: there and kill him now. And that's where I would
Speaker 5: get the most frustrated, is when it's like I'm not
Speaker 5: getting surprised by.
Speaker 3: Shit, I know what to do now, it's just not
Speaker 3: happening for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like it's like, oh, I got it here, Okay,
Speaker 2: I got the right load out and everything. I know
Speaker 2: all the attacks. I'm good.
Speaker 5: And then you spend like ten deaths and like, what
Speaker 5: the fuck is wrong with me? Why am I fucking
Speaker 5: up here? Like oh, that's bullshit? And then it's always
Speaker 5: like at a point where it's like you're at the
Speaker 5: most pissed off and you're just like kind of just
Speaker 5: like over and over emotionlessly, just like doing the run
Speaker 5: back and just like fucking okay, whatever, whatever, and then
Speaker 5: I would inevitably get into a fight where it's like
Speaker 5: I'm like halfway through the fight and I'm like, I
Speaker 5: haven't been hit yet. I'm like, wait, is this going
Speaker 5: really good? Hang on, don't get excited, don't don't get
Speaker 5: too excited, don't get it. And then it's like I'm
Speaker 5: still not gotting hit. I'm still not going to hit.
Speaker 2: This is phase three. I haven't been hit yet.
Speaker 5: And then you just win and it's like sometimes it's
Speaker 5: like you didn't get hit once and it just like
Speaker 5: you've just been beaten down so much and the muscle
Speaker 5: memory has been established and it's like it happens.
Speaker 2: And I kind of think that's an awesome process to
Speaker 2: go through with something.
Speaker 5: Like if that was every Boss, I would my beard
Speaker 5: hair would fall out, not just my head hair, Like
Speaker 5: I I would lose my mind and not want to
Speaker 5: play this, but like for it to be you know,
Speaker 5: every like tenth Boss or something is something that like
Speaker 5: I am screaming at the TV, like I like, look a.
Speaker 3: Little hairless mole rat without anything.
Speaker 5: I feel like you got to have some hair I considered, Yeah,
Speaker 5: well would that a fight? At some point in my life,
Speaker 5: I will shave everything and it's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be weird shiny.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but no, I I do like the process too,
Speaker 5: of like, Okay, if you've been beating your head against it,
Speaker 5: you know, take a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well there's the thing like oh, trying the same thing
Speaker 5: over and over again, you know, and it's not working.
Speaker 5: You got to shift something up. And so it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: you sit on the bench and it's like, okay, what
Speaker 5: tools do I have here? What can I equip here?
Speaker 5: And then like you'll you'll find certain things where it's
Speaker 5: like I got the cogfly and it's like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: okay this fight where I can't really like do.
Speaker 2: You have the cogfly?
Speaker 1: Mary?
Speaker 3: Is that a trap?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: It's a tool, And it's the kind of bugs that
Speaker 2: even spawn like five of them.
Speaker 5: Oh my God, to save my ass in so many
Speaker 5: fights because like there's so many where, like the windows
Speaker 5: to attack these bosses are so so tiny, and so
Speaker 5: you're just like dodging, dodging, dodging for your life. And
Speaker 5: then it's like guy got one hit in and I
Speaker 5: gotta run away and heal. The cogflies are a great
Speaker 5: way to like just load up on them as long
Speaker 5: as you know your tools are at like the maximum.
Speaker 5: You know, your craft kit, your toolkit, all that stuff
Speaker 5: is all powered up, and it's just like, all right,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna spawn all these fucking dudes. I'm going to
Speaker 5: attack when I can. But even in the in between
Speaker 5: moments when I'm just dodging whatever, these little guys are
Speaker 5: kind of like nip adam and stuff and just doing nice.
Speaker 2: You know, it feels very like I.
Speaker 4: Did use something like that. I had a one that heat.
Speaker 4: When I heal it, it damages everything around me.
Speaker 2: Oh the mirror thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I love that because it's so nice to
Speaker 3: be like, I got a heal.
Speaker 4: I'm and something comes at me to hurt me, and
Speaker 4: I actually kill it because I'm healing, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that is sweet, sweet revenge that I can defend myself.
Speaker 4: I do think that it is more important in this
Speaker 4: game than in Hollow Night to upgrade your person. It
Speaker 4: is so difficult to get through this game without upgrading
Speaker 4: your stats. You need to have all the bells and whistles,
Speaker 4: you need to get your needle sharpened. Do not sleep
Speaker 4: on these things. I made the mistake of going through
Speaker 4: a very difficult boss fight before I had the double jump.
Speaker 4: I really could have used that double jump, you guys.
Speaker 5: There are some things too where it's like there's only
Speaker 5: a few, like actual needle upgrades, and like your needles
Speaker 5: are your main point of attack, so it's like you
Speaker 5: have to get this pale oil stuff to upgrade it,
Speaker 5: and like I got a purple of them all right,
Speaker 5: and it was like a third one that it's like
Speaker 5: I kind of like, I was like, how do I
Speaker 5: get to needle updates? And I did a few times
Speaker 5: like search, like I need to need a update.
Speaker 4: I did a search too. I got really stuck on
Speaker 4: one of them. I just could I didn't know what
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's like a shame for me. I
Speaker 4: kind of want to hear, like I really appreciate your
Speaker 4: opinion on this. I like also want your Mike's opinions.
Speaker 4: Like it's like ex journals, there's been conversation about this
Speaker 4: game from like a journalist because journalists didn't get this
Speaker 4: game early, which means they had to kind of get
Speaker 4: through really quickly.
Speaker 1: Maybe what I just said funk off married to the
Speaker 1: people that I do see that, Like one thing that
Speaker 1: is kryptonite to me is like games, media entitlement stuff. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I I yeah, maybe we should beat that. I probably don't. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I thought you were.
Speaker 3: I thought you were genuinely upset.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's super h was annoying. It was
Speaker 1: annoying that like people were complaining about that. I get that.
Speaker 1: I saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the same thing I had where it's like
Speaker 5: when whenever I would say journalists complaining about going to
Speaker 5: E three because it's so much work, you know, back
Speaker 5: in the day, I'd.
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck, Like this is the you're get
Speaker 2: paid to go to E three with the complain about it.
Speaker 5: When there was a point where there was like a
Speaker 5: steam glitch and a lot of us journalists like got
Speaker 5: are like press accounts, like we couldn't log into it,
Speaker 5: and I saw people tweeting.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a big problem.
Speaker 5: It's like, no, this is a major crazy perk of
Speaker 5: the job, and suddenly you don't have it, like this
Speaker 5: is not a problem. This is you don't like we
Speaker 5: get a lot of benefits and stuff and stuff like yeah,
Speaker 5: you're gonna be okay, and so, like I kind of
Speaker 5: did feel that way with the Holli Night stuff, where
Speaker 5: it's like when I saw that it was not coming
Speaker 5: out earlier, it's like, yeah, okay, I'll play it a
Speaker 5: bunch when it comes out, It's fine.
Speaker 4: Well. I read one review that, uh, broadly was like, listen,
Speaker 4: this game is like so punishing that it's like almost
Speaker 4: mean to the player.
Speaker 3: That's a very not fair TLDR.
Speaker 4: But if I were to cliff notes it, I felt
Speaker 4: like that was what this reviewer was saying, which is
Speaker 4: like it's almost like cruel for as the purpose.
Speaker 1: To be crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And my kind of reaction to that was, but
Speaker 4: when I get frustrated at this game, I can go
Speaker 4: to bed and I can have a snack, and I
Speaker 4: can watch TV and relax. But a person who like
Speaker 4: needed to review this game probably as fast as possible
Speaker 4: was not given that grace, and thus was probably really
Speaker 4: angry trying to get through this game as fast as possible,
Speaker 4: and thus that might have actually, like.
Speaker 1: I think thought process at is I don't think you
Speaker 1: should have to beat a game like this to review it.
Speaker 1: I think there are people finding a way around sorry
Speaker 1: to give a final verdict on it, I think you
Speaker 1: should beat it. Let me say that, I think I
Speaker 1: think anybody complaining that they are like killing themselves to
Speaker 1: beat this game in order to review it has more
Speaker 1: of a problem with their We really should beat that out.
Speaker 1: But like that that is failure of management at that website,
Speaker 1: not Team Cherry, like you you're taking it out.
Speaker 3: I agree the systems.
Speaker 4: The system is broken, right, and you can kind of
Speaker 4: hear it in their writing sometimes. For sure, get broadly,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to like call it anyone specifically, and
Speaker 4: some of these in some of the reviews, I was like,
Speaker 4: you just sound mad, like you had a miserable.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure, but like again, that's not that can
Speaker 5: be self imposed or that can be bad management. Where
Speaker 5: I've had it both ways, where it's like you know,
Speaker 5: Death Stranding and Red Dead Redemption two. I rushed through
Speaker 5: it because I like no one at Giant. It's not
Speaker 5: like Vinnie was being like you better fucking like No,
Speaker 5: it wasn't that. I just kind of felt like I
Speaker 5: need to do that, and I played it in a
Speaker 5: not optimal way and didn't like the game as a result.
Speaker 5: But there are also times where It's like I was
Speaker 5: a Game Informer and I had to fucking review you
Speaker 5: have a deadline for a print edition of a magazine,
Speaker 5: and it's like Mario Luigi Dream Team, which was insanely long,
Speaker 5: and it's like fifty sixty hours or something, and I
Speaker 5: had to like spend an entire weekend, which this is
Speaker 5: when the three DS's were chained to the desks because
Speaker 5: Nintendo's and say and so I had to like spend
Speaker 5: the weekend at the office punched over a fucking three
Speaker 5: DS or DS whatever it was the time, because I
Speaker 5: was flying out Sunday night and I had to hit.
Speaker 3: The off them'll experience that's the thing.
Speaker 5: It's like that, Yeah, that step is fucked in a
Speaker 5: million different ways. And also it's like, yeah, games journalism
Speaker 5: typically doesn't pay very well, So it's like, yeah, when
Speaker 5: you're paying people, you know, twenty thousand dollars a year
Speaker 5: and then expecting them to spend their entire weekend and
Speaker 5: like it's like, yeah, I can there are very valid.
Speaker 2: Complaints for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yes, absolutely, And that that can vary wildly
Speaker 5: depending on whether you're just a solo Twitch streamer or
Speaker 5: you work for val net or something yeah, fair.
Speaker 1: When I say it's just a failure management, there are
Speaker 1: many factors of play into it. I do think some
Speaker 1: entitlement comes out, and also, uh, I worry or I
Speaker 1: think that. Like a lot of times when it comes
Speaker 1: to video game reviews, we do put a lot of
Speaker 1: stock in someone finishing game before they give a final
Speaker 1: verdict on a game, which I get because there's some
Speaker 1: shit can happen in the last third review. Well, we
Speaker 1: were talking about Resume four earlier. It's like, you review
Speaker 1: that game based on the first act, it's a ten
Speaker 1: out of ten. You review the game based on the
Speaker 1: first two of three acts, nine out of ten. You
Speaker 1: review the game this these days, and I might get
Speaker 1: fucking crucified for this. I think it's like eight out
Speaker 1: of ten. But like it's still an amazing game. But like,
Speaker 1: if you didn't play that third act, you can't offer
Speaker 1: a final verdict on that game.
Speaker 2: I was adamant about always beating games.
Speaker 5: If I was going to score too, I think game, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: beating it, But like I was going to give a
Speaker 5: score and write a review, I had to beat it
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and yeah, so like I don't want to
Speaker 1: get im I clearly riled up, but like.
Speaker 3: Want, I'm very curious what you guys think about stirred
Speaker 3: a lot of emotions. Yeah, when I when I was
Speaker 3: playing it and when I was reading other reviews of.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, it did call into question what team Cherry
Speaker 1: Owes people. They've been working on it forever. I think, like,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think, if you have a game
Speaker 1: that you're confident in and you think, given enough time,
Speaker 1: people will love it, if they can play it at
Speaker 1: a good pace, it behooves you, the developer the publisher
Speaker 1: to give out code as early as possible. Obviously, then
Speaker 1: that doesn't take into account how long it can take
Speaker 1: to get I don't know. We see for my day job,
Speaker 1: we see quite a few games we play a month
Speaker 1: out and then there's still some technical things, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the game released in a month
Speaker 1: and they fixed it. It's not that simple. They had
Speaker 1: to put a lot of work in to fix it.
Speaker 1: But there's also the flip side where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we think our game is good, but it's not
Speaker 1: ready technically until two weeks before launch. We're still going
Speaker 1: to give it to people, so they have some time beforehand.
Speaker 1: Had Team Cherry given people two weeks to play this
Speaker 1: game as opposed to just letting them jump in on
Speaker 1: or giving them release dy codes, with that been any better,
Speaker 1: I think people would have still said, like, sorry, two
Speaker 1: weeks is actually a lot like a week like when
Speaker 1: the game we don't know that the game was ready
Speaker 1: to go two weeks before release unless Team shared.
Speaker 3: Is that wasn't the reason though. The reason wasn't because
Speaker 3: the game wasn't ready. The reason was because of.
Speaker 1: Back kickstarter or backers.
Speaker 3: Sure the reason they gave, Yeah, they basically said it
Speaker 3: was unfair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at that point, like I guess they were
Speaker 1: faced with does Press deserve to play the game before
Speaker 1: people who before.
Speaker 5: Or with I mean, I respect the decision they made,
Speaker 5: Like I think I'm sure I totally understand that, and
Speaker 5: like it's tough because like some people are in genuinely
Speaker 5: tough physicians with this where it's like you know, like
Speaker 5: managing editors and things like that, and companies are like,
Speaker 5: you know, if they're saying, like we need a scored
Speaker 5: review asap because this is going to drive a lot
Speaker 5: of clicks or whatever. That sucks that you have to
Speaker 5: rush through and everything. I think the right answer is, hey,
Speaker 5: have the reviewer take it, take their time with it,
Speaker 5: and review it when it's ready. The ones I really
Speaker 5: sympathize with are the ones, like, especially a game like this,
Speaker 5: which the amount of guides for this fucking thing. Oh guy,
Speaker 5: he's the best rosary farming location. Here's a guide for
Speaker 5: every fucking one of these fifty bosses or whatever. Here's
Speaker 5: like all these interactive maps and all these things. And
Speaker 5: like the people that have to put together guides for
Speaker 5: this game, which, by the way, that's what all like
Speaker 5: a bunch of fucking sides. One is guide stuff, you know,
Speaker 5: driving traffic and stuff like that, and they are most
Speaker 5: of the time paying freelancers fucking pennies, and they're expecting
Speaker 5: this shit because like, oh, people are playing it at
Speaker 5: the minute, this game goes live, and we better have
Speaker 5: these guides ready. Like that has to be so shitty,
Speaker 5: Like there's so much work on such a crazy timeline
Speaker 5: for nothing, And like I really sympathize with anyone who's
Speaker 5: been putting that situation.
Speaker 2: That fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: Guys. Writers keep the lights on many sites, although to
Speaker 1: your point, they're not rewarded commensurate to those efforts.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean whether you're a writer or a
Speaker 5: guide writer or whatever, but like guide writing is an especial.
Speaker 1: Can they can play an open world game or sorry,
Speaker 1: a reviewer can play an open world game and like
Speaker 1: decide that they've seen enough side content miscellaneous stuff to
Speaker 1: get an adequate overall view of the game. Guys writers
Speaker 1: don't have that luxury. They have to say, oh, I have.
Speaker 5: To go do all of these I have every lost
Speaker 5: flee in this game. I need a guide the second
Speaker 5: day it's out or whatever.
Speaker 1: I need to go beat. I need to go bea
Speaker 1: do every single cave in Borderlands for because then I
Speaker 1: can't tell people about the six one. So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sucks, and I shouldn't sound so callous because I
Speaker 1: empathize with the people who are dealing with that when
Speaker 1: they get the game on release day. I think for me,
Speaker 1: it is the entitlement that like it's expected no matter what,
Speaker 1: and like that is part of the system of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the developers the publishers should release this beforehand. But to
Speaker 1: Mary's point, there are other backers who have been you know,
Speaker 1: taken into account here.
Speaker 5: So it's I don't fault Team Terry at all. For this,
Speaker 5: and I also don't fault them for we're talking with
Speaker 5: the difficulty stuff. You know that has been a lot
Speaker 5: of the course and criticism is how brutal this is,
Speaker 5: and you know, it depends on the game, because it's
Speaker 5: like there are things where it's like elden Ring, you
Speaker 5: don't pick a difficulty, and I like that they're very
Speaker 5: confident in kind of the balance of their game, and
Speaker 5: you know, there are ways that you can just kind
Speaker 5: of like to use it an over level yourself and
Speaker 5: things like that, and you can kind of force your
Speaker 5: way through possily then blood Borne, a lot of front
Speaker 5: games and everything. I mean, there are the people that
Speaker 5: get mad when it's like, oh, there's an easy mode
Speaker 5: for this game, where like I remember it was like
Speaker 5: a fucking thing when I think the first Bayonetta came
Speaker 5: out and it was like there was a mode where
Speaker 5: it's like, hey, if you just want to see the
Speaker 5: story and see all the flashy cool stuff in Banetta.
Speaker 5: I forgot what they called the mode, but it was
Speaker 5: just like a super easy mode where you can literally
Speaker 5: mash a and just watch Bayonetta do all these fucking
Speaker 5: cool combos and stuff that's great, like like let's say,
Speaker 5: you know there's any kind of like disability or you're
Speaker 5: just not don't have the reflexes or the history of
Speaker 5: that type of genre or something like that. You just
Speaker 5: want to see, like Baneat is a fucking cool game
Speaker 5: to look at, so like you don't need to like
Speaker 5: pass a DMV test to fucking play Bayonetta. You know,
Speaker 5: this is on the more brutal end, And I think
Speaker 5: I don't want every game to be like this, because
Speaker 5: I do think it would shut out a large amount
Speaker 5: of the audience. But I think just in that kind
Speaker 5: of like anys kid nostalgic way, let's like I don't
Speaker 5: have an option. Look, I can't go in the options
Speaker 5: and change a pery window or something like that. Like
Speaker 5: I kind of like that, like anyone who's gone through
Speaker 5: this game has had the same experience. But I also
Speaker 5: understand if someone doesn't like the game because of that.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I I'm not as far as you two.
Speaker 1: I think Silksong is a great game so far. And
Speaker 1: I've never really talked about Hollow Night on fire Escape,
Speaker 1: but I think that's also a great game. I think
Speaker 1: Team Cherry clearly in certain respect has incredible design chops
Speaker 1: when it comes to boss fights. Overall world design, I
Speaker 1: think they are up there with Fromsoft in terms of
Speaker 1: like creating a world that's interconnected in a way where
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm rewriting pathways in my brain when
Speaker 1: I play their game, when I play Hollow Night, and
Speaker 1: when I play Silk Song, I feel like, I like
Speaker 1: the games world maps are creating wrinkles in my brain
Speaker 1: that weren't there before. I I think I have a
Speaker 1: similar feeling with Silk Song that I did with Hollow
Speaker 1: NIGHTE that sometimes I feel like I'm forgiving Team Cherry
Speaker 1: because the they're so good at payoff that I'm forgetting
Speaker 1: that I'm forgiving them for a lot of minor annoyances.
Speaker 5: It's not even the abuselling at times, like there are
Speaker 5: a couple of benches where like, hey, I made it,
Speaker 5: and it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and like I felt this way with Hollow NIGHTE.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like we talk about Hollow Night
Speaker 1: with reverent terms because it is really fucking good game.
Speaker 1: It's it's up there with one of the best games
Speaker 1: in the last decade. I think it's incredible. I also think,
Speaker 1: and I don't I'm kind of putting words in Team
Speaker 1: Cherry's mouth or like assuming a lot on their part,
Speaker 1: whether intentionally or not, I think they're they're confusing frustration
Speaker 1: slash annoyance with challenge. I think I think meaningful challenge
Speaker 1: is a very tough balance to strike. I think I
Speaker 1: think I'm of the opinion that elden Ring, Actually I
Speaker 1: love elden Ring. That game is unreal. I still think
Speaker 1: about it to this day every day. I still think
Speaker 1: some parts they made a bit too approachable. I almost
Speaker 1: wanted a bit more mystery, a bit more obstacle in
Speaker 1: the way of me getting to my goal, whereas with Silksong,
Speaker 1: just minor enemies are more annoying than they are than
Speaker 1: they are challenging. And and like again I'm I'm sure,
Speaker 1: and I've I'm I'm doing well in the game. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not that far or I'm not as
Speaker 1: far as you two. But like I got the glide,
Speaker 1: I'm now doing the air vents and whatnot. I thought
Speaker 1: that that area was incredible, how they designed that, how
Speaker 1: you you literally cannot get back out unless you figure
Speaker 1: out the right path with the glide. It was great.
Speaker 1: Like as a level design geek, I was geeking out.
Speaker 1: I also just think so much the time when I'm
Speaker 1: doing run backs or whether I'm just exploring and trying
Speaker 1: to map out the world in my head, which is
Speaker 1: where Hollow Night the first game clash for me as
Speaker 1: well metro Vania aspects, And again this game is also
Speaker 1: in a lot of conversation with what it even means
Speaker 1: to be a metro Vana. But that's like a whole
Speaker 1: other thing. I think I'm trying to build this map
Speaker 1: out in my head and I'm getting annoyances and frustrations
Speaker 1: that aren't challenging. They're just more they're chores to do
Speaker 1: rather than they are meaningful challenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Like there are some enemies just like going to run
Speaker 5: back whatever where it's just like a lot of flying enemies.
Speaker 5: Will be things where it's like, look, this isn't a
Speaker 5: thing where I have to like train and learn myself
Speaker 5: with the patterns. It's just like you jump up and
Speaker 5: you try to slip them and they're always backing up
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Just this is some little asshole
Speaker 5: that takes three hits. Let me just kill them so
Speaker 5: I can get past this thing. And it's not like
Speaker 5: a satisfying thing. Yeah, you'll get hit more than you
Speaker 5: should and you just get angry, and it's god damn it.
Speaker 5: Now I have like half my health and I got
Speaker 5: out of this boss.
Speaker 1: But the game is so fucked. Team Cherry's so fucking
Speaker 1: good in both of these games, especially Silk Song, that
Speaker 1: they're so good at payoff that I do end up
Speaker 1: forgiving them for those small annoyance, not small, for those
Speaker 1: major annoyances, to the point where I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 1: now this game's incredible. But then, like Amanda walks by
Speaker 1: when I'm playing in here, and I'm like, and she's like,
Speaker 1: how are you liking it? And it's become a running gag.
Speaker 1: When she walks by, She's like, do you hate her
Speaker 1: or do you love it? I'm like, I love it,
Speaker 1: And then like twenty minutes later she asked me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is fucking stupid. Team Cherry like does not know
Speaker 1: what they're doing? Like, of course, of course, I'm obviously
Speaker 1: being a dick when I say that. I know they
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, but you get what I'm saying, Like, no,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't understand the difference between meaningful failure
Speaker 1: and just fucking being annoying. And yeah, they're definitely trolling
Speaker 1: you at some points when you sit on the bench.
Speaker 1: That en then is a Indiana Jones switch. That Jen
Speaker 1: fucks you up when you just finally got there after
Speaker 1: not even a run back, just getting through this tough
Speaker 1: area that you were trying to platform through and kill
Speaker 1: minor enemies. And the boss fights are great. Some boss
Speaker 1: fights kick my ass. Other the the Giant that's kind
Speaker 1: of like the one where you do fall in the
Speaker 1: lava when he's punching the platforms. You got the foe
Speaker 1: arms like I did, not Like I got, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got I think I got hit once and I once
Speaker 1: shot him. Yeah, And and it was like the spectacle
Speaker 1: the I figured it out, Like that was kind of
Speaker 1: like a gimme on their part. That's like, hey, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure some people had difficulty with that. I
Speaker 1: I just happened to do that boss fight. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: get it. I'm way better at games and everybody, and like,
Speaker 1: I you know that that was like kind of every
Speaker 1: once in a while it does feel like they are
Speaker 1: being aware and offering an olive branch and saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: we know you're going through quite a bit. Here's a
Speaker 1: moment of like generosity on our parts. But outside of that,
Speaker 1: I'm also Mary. It's funny we were talking about warfare earlier.
Speaker 1: You're like, that's not what I want out of my
Speaker 1: entertainment right now, Like, and I totally get that.
Speaker 4: Getting beat I'm at war three to six hours in
Speaker 4: evening right now with a game that is pushing me
Speaker 4: to my fucking limit, and it is.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 4: I've said this a lot. The word that I usually
Speaker 4: have been using to describe this game is brutal. Is
Speaker 4: brutal to my thumbs, to my mental state, to my patience.
Speaker 3: I am still happy. I sleep good at night. I am,
Speaker 3: I am satisfied. I love this game.
Speaker 4: But it is like it would be a lie to
Speaker 4: say that I love every minute of this game. I
Speaker 4: am getting through the game, and I am, and I
Speaker 4: reflect on it, I'm like, I can't believe I accomplish
Speaker 4: that there are sections of platforming that are so fucking
Speaker 4: insane in this game.
Speaker 3: I the ascension that I just did to you, it was.
Speaker 2: All the way on the.
Speaker 3: Left map of the game, in.
Speaker 2: The freezy mountain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the freezing Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I said it so many times I was
Speaker 4: like just so brutal, Like we're at different levels of play,
Speaker 4: and I'm not that far behind you in terms of
Speaker 4: how many hours I put into this. I must have
Speaker 4: spent hours just trying to climb and dying to the
Speaker 4: end before. I was like, there has to be a
Speaker 4: bench around here, and I just start hitting random walls.
Speaker 3: Sure is shit. I do hit a random wall. There
Speaker 3: is a bench, and it costs eighty dollars that I
Speaker 3: don't have because I've been dying in a frozen wasteland.
Speaker 1: And so I go.
Speaker 4: I take the train, I take my bug train and
Speaker 4: I go and I get and I go kill some
Speaker 4: bugs and I get eighty dollars, and I take the
Speaker 4: bug train back and I run up this fucking mountain
Speaker 4: and I'm freezing my ass off, and I have to
Speaker 4: get through this area, this gauntlet with all of.
Speaker 7: My shit, and I die, and then I have to
Speaker 7: get back and I have to get my shit or
Speaker 7: I have to go. I have to take the train
Speaker 7: back to Bugville. You know this stress that I had
Speaker 7: on my body.
Speaker 4: When I got back, I cut my silk, got all
Speaker 4: my beads back, and sat on that bench that I bought.
Speaker 3: That's like the best value bench I ever got.
Speaker 4: It's like the equivalent of like when you were like
Speaker 4: twelve and you have any fucking money, and your parents
Speaker 4: were like, get a job, bitch, And so you work
Speaker 4: really hard and you mow, and you get like fifty
Speaker 4: cents every time you mow, and eventually you have enough
Speaker 4: for McDonald's cheeseburger and it's the best goddamn cheeseburg you've
Speaker 4: ever had because you bought it.
Speaker 3: That was that bench.
Speaker 4: This bench was the sweetest bench of my life because
Speaker 4: I earned it. It was so hard and I sat
Speaker 4: on and I was just like, oh good.
Speaker 3: And then and then I watched The Great British Bake Off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been watching the new season as well.
Speaker 3: It's the only thing that cures me.
Speaker 1: It's a good balance, for sure.
Speaker 5: Are opposite of All the Night Mary. I know exactly
Speaker 5: what you mean, because, like I, you know, bio water
Speaker 5: is an area that everyone hates so much for a
Speaker 5: good reason because like the magns, you fall in, you
Speaker 5: can't heal and all that.
Speaker 3: Oh right, you can't heal if you fall in the
Speaker 3: I know exactly what you're talking about. That's a mean area.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's so much platforming and bullshit enemies and things
Speaker 5: like that, and I desperately wanted a fucking bench. And
Speaker 5: I finally got a point where it's like I'm so
Speaker 5: scared because it's like, okay, I got a couple masks
Speaker 5: left of Health, and it's like, okay, I just need
Speaker 5: to find the fucking bench. And then I see the
Speaker 5: rings that you know, chakra or whatever like leaves, like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I think I'm your chakra. I think
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be able to buy the map. This won't
Speaker 5: be in vain. And then I got for and she's like,
Speaker 5: all right, eighty roachar.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I used three rosary beads short I had seventy seven,
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, there's gotta be some fucking here,
Speaker 5: and I'm going back and I'm like one floor.
Speaker 3: Some tiny slug bugs so that you can buy.
Speaker 5: This fuck about And every fucking thing I find is
Speaker 5: just dropping shards. It's like something about buy a water
Speaker 5: or whatever, like no one has any fucking rosary beads.
Speaker 5: I put on the tool that makes it in case
Speaker 5: some rosary beads fall or something that will just suck
Speaker 5: up to me or whatever. No, And I'm a half
Speaker 5: hour in, I'm still just desperately. Just give me two
Speaker 5: fucking beads.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: And then I finally I like went out of bio water.
Speaker 5: I went, I took this, took forever. I found some
Speaker 5: other area where I went in. One of those little
Speaker 5: bugs is there, and I killed him and I got
Speaker 5: like five or whatever. I was like, oh, thank god,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go back. And I just backtracked my whole
Speaker 5: way back there, and she's fucking gone, She's not there,
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6: And I had to backtrack all the way to a billway. Yeah,
Speaker 6: moved a fucking it was fucking maths.
Speaker 5: Yeah, King Roll guy or whatever, and King God can
Speaker 5: grow the biggest swamp guy or whatever. And he got
Speaker 5: a bunch of ads and the maggots and stuff. King Roll,
Speaker 5: I think that's his name for something.
Speaker 1: Next King Hommie.
Speaker 2: Oh I get it, King.
Speaker 1: Plant. Yeah. Sure, there's Dave girl a bit. No, this
Speaker 1: is not to me to me, okay, so merritt. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously I came around on Mary.
Speaker 2: Podcast.
Speaker 5: I super came around. I came around on Holid night.
Speaker 5: I appreciate the first night I beat the game, So
Speaker 5: I definitely didn't feel the need to.
Speaker 3: Like or like totally a situation or anything.
Speaker 5: But it's like, Okay, I get it, and like a
Speaker 5: lot of my frustrations still kind of remained. But like
Speaker 5: I think with Silk Song, I think it's an important
Speaker 5: thing if this game turns you out, like the idea
Speaker 5: of it and people talking about how brutal it is.
Speaker 5: I think the first ten hours or so are probably
Speaker 5: like bosses will get harder, a platform will get harder,
Speaker 5: and things like that. But like at a certain point,
Speaker 5: you've got more health, you've got more tools, You've got
Speaker 5: basically low doubts that you can set up to make
Speaker 5: things easier in tweaks. So if you're dying and beating
Speaker 5: your head against boss whatever, you can be like, all right,
Speaker 5: this isn't working.
Speaker 2: Let's go back here.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'll put on this bell that helps me against
Speaker 5: fire tacks because it has fire attacks. I'll use the
Speaker 5: cog flights here.
Speaker 2: Well, I just got this thing.
Speaker 5: I'll play, or maybe I'll go and i'll explore for
Speaker 5: a while. I'll get a new you know, crest or something,
Speaker 5: and I have a whole new attack style or something like.
Speaker 5: There's there's I almost feel like it gets easier after
Speaker 5: that first hump, because like you don't have options you
Speaker 5: can switch between. Like early on, like it gets like
Speaker 5: you know, the last judge and some of the harder
Speaker 5: boss fights and stuff you.
Speaker 2: Can't do a lot.
Speaker 5: And by the end, when you've got double jumps and
Speaker 5: glides and air dashes and the fucking like the claw
Speaker 5: thing or whatever, like, you've got so much mobility and
Speaker 5: you have so many tools, and hopefully at this point
Speaker 5: you've got a lot of mask shards and more silk
Speaker 5: and things like that.
Speaker 2: Like there's just different ways you can approach it.
Speaker 5: So I do think it lessens the blow a bit
Speaker 5: of the harder parts, And so I think for that
Speaker 5: and other reasons, Like I mean with the first one,
Speaker 5: the difficulty wasn't really the thing that ever bothered me
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 3: But like, no, I actually I don't even remember.
Speaker 4: I think I remember like a couple boss fives being hard,
Speaker 4: or the Gauntlet. Do you remember that where you had
Speaker 4: to do wave after wave after wave That was very
Speaker 4: difficult for me?
Speaker 3: But I think it was optional. I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 3: didn't have to do it anyway.
Speaker 4: I just don't have these memories of being like what
Speaker 4: a difficult game. I just remember being challenging. This game
Speaker 4: I would describe as difficult. I would say it's not
Speaker 4: for the faint of heart. I do love this game,
Speaker 4: and I recommend this game, but I would not recommend
Speaker 4: it for someone who is looking for like a fun,
Speaker 4: casual Metroid Venia.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what this is.
Speaker 4: I think this is like a absolute brutal test of
Speaker 4: a game. It will challenge you to your core. It
Speaker 4: is for someone who is looking to be punished, but
Speaker 4: I think it's worth it. I do think it's worth
Speaker 4: it to go through it, but it's not for everyone.
Speaker 5: And I think it's brutal in ways that are better
Speaker 5: than the way the first one was, because the first
Speaker 5: one would be a little player unfriendly and things that,
Speaker 5: like the things that frustrated me were more like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I know we're need to go, but the closest fast
Speaker 5: travel station is like I got a fucking hike all
Speaker 5: the way over here, and like you still have to
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 3: It's it's not two seems now, which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Bellwigh and the things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they've created new mechanisms.
Speaker 4: I think their level design has gotten better to Mike's point,
Speaker 4: I actually think it's more seamless, where like usually the
Speaker 4: end takes you back to the beginning or to a
Speaker 4: new cool area and it all flows together. Sometimes it's brutal,
Speaker 4: but I also think that's also intentional, where they're like,
Speaker 4: if you go down this direction, there's no way back,
Speaker 4: you have to go all the way and.
Speaker 1: Find the first fucking half hour. That like the fact
Speaker 1: that like all those drops bring you right back to
Speaker 1: where you started. That as someone who needs to try
Speaker 1: every direction to explore, that annoyed me. But like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the lesson was they were trying to
Speaker 1: teach me. I'm sure there was one, but the first one.
Speaker 5: Was definitely more annoying in that, like it was longer
Speaker 5: hikes to a fast travel or to a bench or whatever.
Speaker 5: And also in a game where like you're not getting
Speaker 5: XP as you're right attacking enemies and stuffs, so basically
Speaker 5: like yeah, you'll get some like shard or rosary beads
Speaker 5: or something, but ultimately like you're not getting stronger, so
Speaker 5: you're just like, I gotta walk twenty minutes of this
Speaker 5: fucking thing and to what benefit. Whereas this one it's
Speaker 5: a little quicker between them, and you can attach things
Speaker 5: that will help you get more shards and rosary beads
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Like I felt like I was
Speaker 5: wasting less time in this game. To me, it's the
Speaker 5: difference between like a Metroid and a Super Metroid, where
Speaker 5: it's like Metroid was a great game on the nes
Speaker 5: it established a lot of things that made that series awesome,
Speaker 5: but Super Metroid just refined it in a million ways
Speaker 5: and is a much better experience overall. Like that is
Speaker 5: I feel like the mobility the move said of Hornet
Speaker 5: is so much more interesting. I got the much more interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I got the crest that lets you do the downward
Speaker 5: pogo and all this stuff. I've never equipped it because
Speaker 5: it's like I love the fucking diagonal Hunter.
Speaker 3: Oh you like the diagonal?
Speaker 4: I like the Hunter, which is the spin and I
Speaker 4: think that one is just how I've spent most of
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 5: Or is that the Reaper or is that the Reaper
Speaker 5: a bunch? And that's like it just kind of does
Speaker 5: an arcing downwards.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't arcing down It's so nice for platforms.
Speaker 5: I've done it for some boss fights. The Reaper one's better.
Speaker 5: But like I really like I clicked with the like
Speaker 5: the Pogo stuff like back and forth stuff like that.
Speaker 3: That one's better for damage as well. People like the
Speaker 3: the Pogo one you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just get a bunch of shit in really quick. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just like, like, I know a lot of that,
Speaker 5: like the Hunter's march and buy water, like a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff when you're bouncing off, like flowers and stuff like.
Speaker 5: I had a little bit of a learning curve for that,
Speaker 5: but once I got it, it was like, no, actually
Speaker 5: I like this a lot, like kind of like position
Speaker 5: in mid air, kind of pause, a little bit hit
Speaker 5: of the gain, and then once you get the claw
Speaker 5: grab thing or whatever, like just I love that mobility
Speaker 5: stuff later in the game. So it's it's uh, it's
Speaker 5: an un grab is.
Speaker 3: Where you shoot out the needle and then zip z.
Speaker 5: You can use that for mobility, and you can also
Speaker 5: kind of use it as an attack attack bounce off
Speaker 5: of an enemy and you can bring that into a
Speaker 5: pogo situation or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've enjoyed that attack as well. There was so
Speaker 3: the last boss fight that I.
Speaker 4: Got really truly, truly truly stuck on. It was right
Speaker 4: after truvio. So it's kind of like the culmination of
Speaker 4: that area. You need to get these different audio reels.
Speaker 4: I forget what they're called, but you need to get
Speaker 4: three songs memorized.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, and one of them in this area
Speaker 3: is behind waves of enemy um in the high holes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to say, it's like six waves of groups
Speaker 3: of enemies which are brutal.
Speaker 4: I think it's ten, and then a solid mini boss
Speaker 4: and then there's three more maybe four more waves enemies
Speaker 4: and then two two of that and that Dan. I mean,
Speaker 4: I must have gone through sixty seventy lives, like I mean,
Speaker 4: I spent days on it. I spent days on it.
Speaker 4: I spent days on it.
Speaker 5: That was the moment I probably died like ten times
Speaker 5: to it. And I was like, Okay, I know there's
Speaker 5: one more pale oil upgrade for my needle I can do. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like I had googled it before, Like, how do I
Speaker 5: get the next needle upgrade? Do you have to do
Speaker 5: this whole taste of farloom side question? You have to
Speaker 5: get five different things, and one of them is no
Speaker 5: courier question. Did you do the fucking courier.
Speaker 2: Quest where you have to run the thing back in
Speaker 2: like five minutes, and like, have you done walls?
Speaker 1: Quists are crazy on Sword from Akarina.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the ones where they're like if you
Speaker 4: see uh, you'll your tracker like in the Witcher, and
Speaker 4: so you see a body and it's like you hit
Speaker 4: a track button and you see they're like body gases.
Speaker 3: And you have to follow it through all these enemies.
Speaker 3: That's like six things too, and I did the Cogharts.
Speaker 4: I mean, like these side quests are fascinating and they're
Speaker 4: worth doing, but they are massive detours, massive detours. They
Speaker 4: can sometimes take you hours to get these like little upgrades.
Speaker 2: I did every one of them.
Speaker 5: I did everyone because like it's like still kind of
Speaker 5: unclearer how you unlock Act three, Like people know certain
Speaker 5: prerequisites and stuff. But like most guides I've seen, it
Speaker 5: been like I don't know, just do most of the
Speaker 5: town quests and so like I was like all right,
Speaker 5: every time, like there's like three base where there's like
Speaker 5: a quest board and it's always like, oh, get all
Speaker 5: these like purple flowers, get all these things, you know,
Speaker 5: find this merchant or whatever. I did every single one
Speaker 5: of those, and so yeah, it's a lot of hunting
Speaker 5: down stuff and like, I'm proud of you go through
Speaker 5: the belways and get eight silver bells and they just
Speaker 5: kind of randomly spawn and like there's so much that
Speaker 5: shit you have to do.
Speaker 3: That's really cool. I think like this game.
Speaker 4: On the on the good side, like phenomenal at surprising
Speaker 4: you with really fun side quests and kind of mixing
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 3: There is a thing that happens that has happened to
Speaker 3: you and me now where like an enemy attacks you
Speaker 3: and then they actually like capture you. That blew my
Speaker 3: fucking mind. And I was like, this is this is
Speaker 3: like the type of shit that makes me love video games.
Speaker 3: I did not expect this.
Speaker 2: Rethink you're dead, and it's like, oh something else happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to do this and to like pick me up
Speaker 3: and put me in a new location like this and just.
Speaker 1: As Bloodborne esque, it was awesome, say middle your solid ask,
Speaker 1: but yeah, oh my.
Speaker 4: God, it's it's really awesome what they were able to
Speaker 4: pull off in this one. So anyway, I love it.
Speaker 4: I know that we haven't beaten it, which this goes
Speaker 4: against well, you you kind of you've rolled credits at
Speaker 4: least Jane.
Speaker 2: I've rolled two sets of credits.
Speaker 5: Now I could right it was between I'm not sure,
Speaker 5: but basically, I have beaten the Final Boss twice in
Speaker 5: two different ways, and I've unlocked the Act three situation,
Speaker 5: so I've seen two different sets of credits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to challenge you to fuse this.
Speaker 3: I'd like to challenge all of us to fuse it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I got a number that popped up my head
Speaker 5: right away. I think nine point five cool based on
Speaker 5: my twelve hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's fair. I mean, obviously you can
Speaker 3: adapt it when you play more.
Speaker 1: Uh eight, based on the first twelve hours.
Speaker 3: We have, I want to do a nine point five two.
Speaker 3: We've always been like, I've been anti half score. I
Speaker 3: can't give it. I can't give it perfect.
Speaker 4: I've had like some minor foibles with it, but I
Speaker 4: think it's damn close. I think it's like one of
Speaker 4: the best games I've played uh in recent years. I'm
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with it, So I think it's a it's
Speaker 4: a nine point five.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think it's I was talking to Bunk,
Speaker 5: and I do think, like, if there's a mount rushmore
Speaker 5: of Metroidvanie is I think if you asked me. Right now,
Speaker 5: it's Simphony the Night, It's super Metroid.
Speaker 2: It is this, and oh boy, I really like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know yeah, like blood Stained or Prince
Speaker 5: Persia the New Last Crown or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would swap out Prince of Persia for axiom
Speaker 1: Verge probably actually the first first actium, yes, second one,
Speaker 1: first the first one?
Speaker 2: So good?
Speaker 1: Now complex is I Without getting into stuff that we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the next episode, some other stuff has pulled
Speaker 1: me away in a way I did not expect same.
Speaker 1: So Silk Song is us. It's great so far. I
Speaker 1: really want to keep playing it again. Every time I
Speaker 1: think I'm like ready to give up, not not give
Speaker 1: up from challenge, but like give up from like all right,
Speaker 1: there is too much frustration here, the payoffs are not
Speaker 1: worth it. I get a big enough payoff and Team
Speaker 1: Sherry again. It feels like it was by design the
Speaker 1: whole time, even though again like I'm I forgive some
Speaker 1: little annoyances and then I get the glide, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, more areas of the map open up,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm kind of on my way
Speaker 1: in the momentum builds and I love hitting those walls.
Speaker 1: You know, I love from software stuff. I love, you know,
Speaker 1: meaningful failure, trying to figure out what went wrong, trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what are some ways I can bolster
Speaker 1: myself my character rather to to make things slightly easier
Speaker 1: the next time. So I want to keep playing this.
Speaker 1: The world's just great. Every time I enter a new biome,
Speaker 1: I'm like, god damn. Like it's not just a biome
Speaker 1: from a narcistic direction. It's like every biome has its
Speaker 1: own specific flavor of like fuck you, you can die
Speaker 1: this way.
Speaker 2: And and yeah considering you.
Speaker 5: Sorry to interrupt, but it's like also it all has
Speaker 5: that kind of underground bug type thing, and even within
Speaker 5: that kind of like it's such.
Speaker 1: A unique art direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean right at the beginning when you're dashing through
Speaker 1: and those birds are all flying off, it's a gorgeous
Speaker 1: every time there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has moments of beauty and and comedy.
Speaker 1: It's so fucking funny. I want to talk about This
Speaker 1: game is hilarious. Fuck what was it? It was? What
Speaker 1: was it? It was another like it was an enemy
Speaker 1: the same size as me. It was a boss fight.
Speaker 1: The Lace, yes, Lace and Lace said something at the
Speaker 1: beginning it's like you're both like are you an enemy? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: are you gonna are you gonna fight me? And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like it just escalates it a
Speaker 1: way that feels very believable because both of you you
Speaker 1: could tell they don't want to fight. And I've only
Speaker 1: fought Lace once, so don't spoil stuff if I'm assuming
Speaker 1: I'll run into Lace again. But Liken, you're both like, wait,
Speaker 1: you have a sword, but so are you. You're holding it,
Speaker 1: you're pointing at me, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you start fighting. You're like, no, I would have rather
Speaker 1: not fought you. This would have been great, but now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you're in a fight, and
Speaker 1: that's a fight took me like five tries. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, the game's great. I I I like it
Speaker 1: a lot, and I'd still be playing through it like
Speaker 1: as my main thing if other stuff hadn't come up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's absolutely uh an unapologetic game. I think
Speaker 1: that and everybody can agree.
Speaker 5: On yeah, And going into it, I was as I
Speaker 5: think neutral as someone could be, where it's like I
Speaker 5: was not caught up in the hype cycle. I was
Speaker 5: aware of It's like just kind of the meme of oh,
Speaker 5: whins silks, I'm going to actually come out, But like
Speaker 5: you know, I liked the first one came around on
Speaker 5: I wasn't like chomping out of the bed, like, oh oh.
Speaker 2: Fucking folk song. It's the biggest thing.
Speaker 5: Like, I went into it completely neutral and I was like,
Speaker 5: I might hate this, I might like it, and it
Speaker 5: really really won me over in a big way, and.
Speaker 2: I do consider it. Yeah, one of the best metro
Speaker 2: advaniers I've played.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think are so cute.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Yeah, thank you, and thank you for sending
Speaker 4: so many people to my chat to tell me that
Speaker 4: they really wanted me to play this game because you
Speaker 4: recommended it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad you listened.
Speaker 1: I'm just glad. Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's been really it's been the cherry on top of
Speaker 4: the Sunday of losing the same boss battle fifty times
Speaker 4: in a row in my chat is finally winning and
Speaker 4: having someone being like, now, aren't you glad that Dan
Speaker 4: recommended this because it's been pretty.
Speaker 3: Relentless. I will remember this, Dan, I believe it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know.
Speaker 1: Just give this number one game in the uh under
Speaker 1: the Radar category for Game of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out of nowhere thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shock and awe Dan recommended category.
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, you should just be prepared because it's gonna
Speaker 4: come up multiple times.
Speaker 5: I'll take the name of the year more than we've
Speaker 5: done with five of these or something. Now, Yeah, this
Speaker 5: is just going to be this is.
Speaker 3: Going to be a blood bath. I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1: We said that most years, but like this one. And
Speaker 1: if you if you had said this, if you had
Speaker 1: said this too much.
Speaker 3: Ees to like, this is crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: Going three Expedition thirty three.
Speaker 4: Not that I've played these, like some of these are
Speaker 4: still under embargo, but I'm just saying, like, these are
Speaker 4: games that are going to be prolific. I know they're
Speaker 4: probably going to come up. I think there's going to
Speaker 4: be like big things to talk about.
Speaker 1: If you had said that two months ago, I would
Speaker 1: have been like, no, this is a boring year. But
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: I don't know there was a sleeper. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: the top five or six for me, like any order
Speaker 2: right now I have not figured out. Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1: Speaking of what's probably going to be in your top three. No,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't sa that because I think I think you're
Speaker 1: liking it a decent amount Borderlines four, Dan, you've been
Speaker 1: playing you and I I haven't.
Speaker 3: I would love I will get to it. But a
Speaker 3: silk song, lady.
Speaker 5: I will give it credit certainly in that it is
Speaker 5: without a doubt better than three in every way. I mean,
Speaker 5: I didn't play a ton of three. I played enough
Speaker 5: of it to be like, wow, I am annoyed by
Speaker 5: this game now, Like this, the stuff that worked in
Speaker 5: two thousand and nine, twenty twelve or whatever is just
Speaker 5: gotten old feeling by now in a lot of ways tonally, mechanics, wise,
Speaker 5: and things like that. It's better, Like I think just
Speaker 5: the moment moment playing it is better. Like getting the
Speaker 5: certain mobility stuff like you know, the grapple hook thing,
Speaker 5: the glider and.
Speaker 2: Things like that is good.
Speaker 5: They've toned down on a lot of the very kind
Speaker 5: of like meme redit humor type stuff that was extremely
Speaker 5: pervasive in three.
Speaker 2: There's still some of it.
Speaker 1: The two villains were like twin streamers. That was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I and I know they were supposed to be
Speaker 5: like annoying, but like it's not in a good way necessarily.
Speaker 5: I don't know, like if I wanted to, like I
Speaker 5: don't play games online often, if I wanted to play
Speaker 5: a game with three friends where we could just kind
Speaker 5: of mindlessly do shit and talk and just kind of
Speaker 5: catch up. This is kind of ideal because like, you
Speaker 5: don't super need to I mean, the story is whatever.
Speaker 5: It's like, there's very clear, like okay, here's the markers
Speaker 5: where you need to go. Everyone, Like you could basically
Speaker 5: not even talk about the game and we could play
Speaker 5: together and accomplish things and.
Speaker 2: Talk and everything.
Speaker 1: But to interrupt really quick, I should say, for I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm sure most people know by this point,
Speaker 1: but for anybody who doesn't know, it is an actual
Speaker 1: like open world as opposed to the last three and
Speaker 1: two spinoffs, which were more like MMO zones. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this is an open world. There's a point you get
Speaker 1: to where the basically this an ally tells you, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's a bought a villain in this biome. There's a
Speaker 1: villain in this biome. There's a villain in this biome.
Speaker 1: Go at it in whatever order you want, Go kill them,
Speaker 1: collect guns, do side quests to that end, and then
Speaker 1: we'll reconvene. So it's very Zelda in that sense. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: up in the mountains you can go fight this dude,
Speaker 1: and then over in the desert you fight her. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just to lay out the structure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then it's like, you know, when you boil
Speaker 5: it down, it there's just a lot of like shooting
Speaker 5: at everything you see. And then between it you kind
Speaker 5: of go around to the battlefield and there's a million
Speaker 5: guns laying around and you're like, all right, these are
Speaker 5: green arrows. Oh, that one's got acid, this one's got shock.
Speaker 3: I love those green arrows. That's how you know when
Speaker 3: it's good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not really interesting because there's you know,
Speaker 5: you got shields, you got your guns, you've got your grenades,
Speaker 5: you've got all these different things, and it's like it's
Speaker 5: just a lot of looking at a bunch of numbers.
Speaker 5: And then like when you level up, you go to
Speaker 5: your skill tree and stuff and it's like, all right,
Speaker 5: this one does a plus point two five percent of
Speaker 5: this when I reload, and it's just like, okay, I'll
Speaker 5: get this ability. I don't know if it's gonna like
Speaker 5: if I will feel any different about you know, Like
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'll notice this, you know, going
Speaker 5: board where it's like the stuff and like hollow night
Speaker 5: and stuff to bring up soilk hung in is that
Speaker 5: like you get something and it's like, oh, things are
Speaker 5: different now, Okay, I need to rethink where I can
Speaker 5: get to and everything. And very very different games obviously,
Speaker 5: but like I don't know, just the very incremental upgrade
Speaker 5: level up type stuff is not super satisfying to me.
Speaker 5: I like it in Borderlands when there's more gimmicky weapons
Speaker 5: where it's like this one shoots three spinning rockets that
Speaker 5: all have corrosive damage and stuff like that. But like
Speaker 5: I don't know, in the first several hours of this game,
Speaker 5: it's a lot of like, ah, this is soul rifle
Speaker 5: does a little bit more damaged and has a little
Speaker 5: slower fire rate. Okay, sure whatever, so the same It's
Speaker 5: it is very very Borderlands.
Speaker 3: Do they have any like stupid guns though, like ones
Speaker 3: that like you know, out grenades that explode and then
Speaker 3: when the gun runs out of bullets it becomes a
Speaker 3: grenade and you throw it.
Speaker 1: I you know what I mean that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had the whole like different like gun brands
Speaker 5: and stuff and like all these guns instead of reloading,
Speaker 5: you throw it and they blow up and you make
Speaker 5: a new one or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like my.
Speaker 3: Memory with it where I was like, this is a
Speaker 3: crazy gun. These guys are crazy. You're not allowed to
Speaker 3: do this. They would do it. They broke the gun rules.
Speaker 5: I'm still I would say early on, and like most
Speaker 5: of them have just been like assault rifles and SMGs
Speaker 5: and sniper rifles and pistols that are like different stats
Speaker 5: of Like I'm sure those crazier guns are out there.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen them yet, and I'll just say that,
Speaker 5: like nothing about the game has like in the face
Speaker 5: of like right now is one of the craziest times
Speaker 5: of Like there are like five or six different games
Speaker 5: I have downloaded or I have started playing, and ones
Speaker 5: that are doing crazy awesome stuff that I'm like loving
Speaker 5: or whatever. Quarterlands for is absolutely not a priority for
Speaker 5: me to go back and play more of right now.
Speaker 5: It's low low low on the list and face everything
Speaker 5: else I'm playing, So I don't know if I'll go
Speaker 5: back to it.
Speaker 2: I you know, I hey, kudos to them. It's better
Speaker 2: than three for sure.
Speaker 5: I'm sure fans of Borderlands they're just kind of like
Speaker 5: one excuse shoot stuff and talk to their friends.
Speaker 2: It'll be great for that. It's not. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll play more of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I I will say, I feel like I
Speaker 1: did start getting a lot of guns that actually felt
Speaker 1: less like stat upgrades and more like functional changes. I
Speaker 1: will say, I do think it backloads a lot of them.
Speaker 1: I think you start getting that the game really wants
Speaker 1: you to reach max level cap and then start doing
Speaker 1: endgame stuff, which three did two, And I think three's
Speaker 1: endgame was actually really good. I played three a lot.
Speaker 1: I couldn't stomach any of the story either. I just
Speaker 1: kind of turned that off and listen to podcasts until
Speaker 1: I got to endgame, and I thought the endgame was
Speaker 1: great in that game. But I I think it's fun
Speaker 1: because this game, now that Borderlands is open world, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this feels like it could have happened six years ago.
Speaker 2: It's still that's the thing.
Speaker 5: It's still like they've made movements to make it feel
Speaker 5: more modern, but it still feels old.
Speaker 1: Yes, I will say I still think I will I
Speaker 1: will put Borderlands three in this up there with like
Speaker 1: Destiny in terms of some of the best feeling shooters
Speaker 1: on controllers. I think this feels incredible. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: no easy task, but like I will also say, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of the abilities are absolutely like I like,
Speaker 1: you look at Path of Exile two, you look at
Speaker 1: even Diablo four. I'm trying to think of other loot
Speaker 1: shooter games like the I think Remnant two did a
Speaker 1: really good job of those incremental upgrades. Still, you notice
Speaker 1: the difference Borderlands four. I think there's a there's like
Speaker 1: every five levels you notice a slight difference because there's
Speaker 1: some really cool center. I played the grav what's her name, Harlow,
Speaker 1: the GRAVI she uses like a gravity bomb. I was
Speaker 1: using her gravity bomb. They each have three skill trees,
Speaker 1: so there's really cool synergies between some of those skill trees.
Speaker 1: But you do have to go through some very minor
Speaker 1: stat bumps.
Speaker 5: And I say bomb, like, there will be like five
Speaker 5: levels in a row where it's not exciting to level
Speaker 5: level yet.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm just trying to get to the next
Speaker 2: like layer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, if you took your character at level one
Speaker 1: and then you took your character at level fifty and
Speaker 1: you compare them, you're like, oh fuck, I built a
Speaker 1: completely new character, but it's so seldom does feel like
Speaker 1: you're making a major bump, which Diablo four when it
Speaker 1: first released had that problem as well. Then they revamped
Speaker 1: it and now and I've talked about d before. I
Speaker 1: think at some point, when things die down, we should
Speaker 1: all play that game together, because I think they did
Speaker 1: some really interesting stuff to make those upgrades feel impactful
Speaker 1: and actually changing how your character worked. And I do
Speaker 1: think Borderlines four takes a bit too long to get
Speaker 1: to those I agree wholeheartedly with that. I think the
Speaker 1: world's interesting as it can be. I like the villains.
Speaker 1: You're Dan, how far are you out of curiosity?
Speaker 2: Less than five hours?
Speaker 1: I would say, Okay, So I will say I think
Speaker 1: the game's story, although the story I don't love. It's like, basically,
Speaker 1: you've got the Timekeepers, the ultimate boss in this city
Speaker 1: in the center of the map. You're also hunting down
Speaker 1: these three like his three lieutenants around the map. You
Speaker 1: start to pursue each of them, and I actually think
Speaker 1: the game does some cool things story wise with like
Speaker 1: oh this this boss also might not be super on
Speaker 1: board with some of the shit the villain's doing and
Speaker 1: might also be fomenting its own rebellion. So it does
Speaker 1: cool stuff like that to shake up the pacing a bit,
Speaker 1: not enough. Again, I don't think that's going to be
Speaker 1: like a thing to pull you through the.
Speaker 2: Game, but yeah it.
Speaker 1: I think it did. I prove a lot on three
Speaker 1: for sure. I would actually argue the end game kind
Speaker 1: of took a step back as someone who played a
Speaker 1: lot of three end game, like because I'm a fucking weirdo.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not gonna play another I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: play another hour of this game for a while. I
Speaker 1: do want to try other characters at some point maybe,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's a you know, like if you didn't
Speaker 1: put a lot of hours into that already, then Silk
Speaker 1: Song and we've got Yote coming up, We've got Octopath Traveler,
Speaker 1: We've got a lot coming up. So it's Hades two
Speaker 1: and like three days from now if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 3: So some big bangers coming out.
Speaker 1: So it's I think Borderlands four is commendable for a
Speaker 1: lot of the improvements it made, but it's also like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to change your mind on Borderlands. No, definitely,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I totally get that for sure.
Speaker 4: I just have such a strong history with border Lands,
Speaker 4: Like I've always loved their wacky antics and their silly
Speaker 4: gun and like running around not caring. I think, like
Speaker 4: you were saying, Dan, it's friend slop, and to a
Speaker 4: degree it might be the originators of friends slop because
Speaker 4: I never took that game seriously and they didn't take
Speaker 4: themselves seriously.
Speaker 3: I remember how many times.
Speaker 4: They would have like a boss who would like act
Speaker 4: so tough and then like self implode with one bullet,
Speaker 4: Like they were funny.
Speaker 3: That game is cheeky.
Speaker 5: But yeah, tonally they didn't take it seriously. But like
Speaker 5: I think underneath that there were really great kind of
Speaker 5: mechanics and the different builds you could make, and like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it didn't the humor in the tone was not serious,
Speaker 5: but as a game it was a co op game,
Speaker 5: it was fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I'm still tempted.
Speaker 4: I love stuff like that, and it is like a
Speaker 4: playful world, so I'd like to get into it. It's
Speaker 4: it's just a really challenging time. How dare all these
Speaker 4: games come out?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I guess is there any if there's no other
Speaker 1: major thing people want to talk about? I do think
Speaker 1: I know, we have a few others we want to
Speaker 1: like hit quickly.
Speaker 5: I think, sure, next episode and there's some embargo stuff
Speaker 5: that will lift that we can kind of go into.
Speaker 1: Next episode will be Hades two. Next episode, Yota, I
Speaker 1: think will be out by that point. I think so, yeah,
Speaker 1: so there'll be a lot of episodes. But Mary, you
Speaker 1: and I both I believe dabbled with Shinobi because Dan
Speaker 1: was going hard on recommending it and I did again
Speaker 1: same thing. I literally played it. I was playing that
Speaker 1: interchangeably with Silk Song at first, and Dan I was
Speaker 1: messaging you, I was like, holy shit, Chanoby rules, like
Speaker 1: right off the bat, like, yeah, I've only played two
Speaker 1: hours of it and it already hooked me. It feels amazing.
Speaker 1: It like it's so good at onboarding you with skills
Speaker 1: you have at your disposal, and then just kind of
Speaker 1: letting you run wild, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: have this ability that just literally you dart to everybody
Speaker 1: in the screen and murder them. If you've played well
Speaker 1: enough up to that point, that doesn't stop.
Speaker 5: I mean the entire game, it's just one thing after another,
Speaker 5: like oh shit, that's awesome, Oh shit, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Literally the The literal only reason I stopped is because
Speaker 1: I there's no way you can just dabble with Silksong.
Speaker 1: You need to go all in. So Schanoby is number
Speaker 1: outside of this other stuff I'm playing. I'd say Silksong
Speaker 1: is number one on my backlog. Shanoby is right behind it.
Speaker 1: But like, Schanobi felt like such a breath of fresh
Speaker 1: air from Silksong in a way that again apples and oranges,
Speaker 1: they're not going for the same thing.
Speaker 2: Well, you were the one in power in Shanoby.
Speaker 1: In Silksong, it's a power fantasy for sure. There's some challenge,
Speaker 1: for sure, don't get me wrong, But like, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm still wrapping my head around how the game is structured.
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like a Metrodvania divided into different zones.
Speaker 5: Do you ever play an Order of Ecclesiasvania? Yeah, so
Speaker 5: that was different than standard Cakeslovania, and that instead of
Speaker 5: one giant map, it was like little sectioned off maps.
Speaker 5: So it's like Metrovanias but in tiny little chunks, yeah,
Speaker 5: that are not necessarily connected by hallways and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So it's like Order of Ecclesia basically for sure.
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, oh man, I really want to
Speaker 1: dig into Shinoby and fully immerse myself in that, And
Speaker 1: I also want to do it Silk Song, and there's
Speaker 1: such different games. I gotta I will do that for
Speaker 1: both of them before a Game of the Year, because
Speaker 1: Shinnoby already is speaking my language on many levels. The
Speaker 1: platforming feels great. The platforming itself is very compelling. The
Speaker 1: platforming it strikes that really good balance between action reactive
Speaker 1: platforming and puzzle solving platforming. So I'm already like, I
Speaker 1: really want to fucking know how to open that trapdoor,
Speaker 1: like it it's got it tooks in me and I
Speaker 1: would be playing that fully if it weren't for everything
Speaker 1: else going on. But like, yeah, it also, just like
Speaker 1: breakneck Pace, does not let off the brakes in the
Speaker 1: first two hours the whole time. I'm assuming it probably
Speaker 1: won't the whole time. I've never played it. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've played I've touched a Shanoby game before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my first I'm enjoying it too.
Speaker 4: It is for me very difficult to go back and
Speaker 4: forth between this and Silk Song because the moves are
Speaker 4: very different.
Speaker 1: I find myself warfare and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
Speaker 3: I am like, I'm dashing when I mean to be Yeah, attacking,
Speaker 3: I'm very confused, so I don't like doing that.
Speaker 4: But in the three hours that I've spent with it,
Speaker 4: I've really enjoyed. Visually, this game is stunning. I absolutely
Speaker 4: love I got a knee up.
Speaker 3: From a roll yeah yeah, and it looks so good.
Speaker 3: It looks so good that I use it even if
Speaker 3: it's not appropriate, because I'm like, check out how good
Speaker 3: this looks.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: You laun in the air, jump up.
Speaker 3: You can keep them up in the air. You slamming
Speaker 3: them down using a jump and then a heavy attack
Speaker 3: down very fun, super effective, and again like doing using
Speaker 3: the environment, so knocking them off cliffs, knocking them into spikes,
Speaker 3: like oh, hitting barrels that then explode at them. Juicy,
Speaker 3: super fun. I'm loving that aspect of it. I love
Speaker 3: that there are these skulls and areas that if you
Speaker 3: find them, you basically have to kill everything in that space.
Speaker 3: Those unlack special medallions. I think that give you other things.
Speaker 4: I do really like all these fun pieces that they've
Speaker 4: put into every level so that you're not just getting
Speaker 4: through the level, you're kind of exploring and experimenting and
Speaker 4: finding little challenges everywhere. Some of them are platforming, some
Speaker 4: of them are combat, which is like my DNA, like
Speaker 4: that is my core of like, yes, you're gonna make
Speaker 4: me happy. My biggest issue so far has just been
Speaker 4: every reward is like, here's six new moves, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I haven't memorized the last forty.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can handle anymore. And they
Speaker 3: just keep they keep giving me more shit to memorize,
Speaker 3: and so like there was this time where they had
Speaker 3: given me this move. There's like water based, fire based,
Speaker 3: electric based moves Avatar using your bumpers. You have to
Speaker 3: use left and right bumper and then and then the
Speaker 3: button of the element that you're looking for. And I
Speaker 3: kept accidentally, like you know, pressing water when I wanted
Speaker 3: fire whatever. And then like like not even like ten
Speaker 3: minutes later, they were like and now and oh, which
Speaker 3: is like your left trigger and your right trigger. And
Speaker 3: I was like, bitch, I just learned this one.
Speaker 1: And I just kind of breathe a fireball.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, give me a second. This have you done
Speaker 3: the giant face boss. He looks like Oma Tech or whatever,
Speaker 3: and he keeps saying.
Speaker 2: Like, show me what you got. I'm almost he's a face.
Speaker 3: He's a face on a wall. He's a face on
Speaker 3: a wall. And he spits balls.
Speaker 2: Out of his mouth.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, you did do that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, and he literally just says like show
Speaker 3: me your power. You're about to true power. He's so annoying.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I can't tell you many times I could have
Speaker 4: easily gotten through this boss much faster.
Speaker 3: But every once in a while I would do this
Speaker 3: boss and I would be like, right, I want to
Speaker 3: do the fire and then I'd get attacked by lightning
Speaker 3: and I was like, no, you have to be faster.
Speaker 4: I have to basically before I get into a boss fight,
Speaker 4: memorize which moves I want on which buttons and practice them,
Speaker 4: because in real time in these boss fights, I was
Speaker 4: actually getting overwhelmed with which moves I wanted and which
Speaker 4: buttons resulted in the moves that I wanted, and so
Speaker 4: that was a bit frustrating. For Other than that, I
Speaker 4: think I'm just like loving this game, and I think
Speaker 4: it's a funny criticism to be like, you're giving me
Speaker 4: too many moves.
Speaker 1: I'm just pacing to that too. It's like I've already
Speaker 1: resigned myself to I'm probably going to restart this game
Speaker 1: when I go back. I have no qualms with that,
Speaker 1: because I'm the first couple hours were so fun to
Speaker 1: begin with. I don't mind. But yeah, it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's it's okay, I just learned how
Speaker 1: to breathe a fireball, and now I learned how to
Speaker 1: attack everybody on screen. It's good. I can wrap my
Speaker 1: head around that for another you know, stage or two
Speaker 1: or screen or two rather, but then now it's showing
Speaker 1: you how to I will also say the way you
Speaker 1: can attack and dodge in one mid air role, and
Speaker 1: now I want every fucking game to have that, including
Speaker 1: from Soft. Like that's one of those things you wish
Speaker 1: you could do in like elden Ring, but you can't.
Speaker 1: It feels like a quality of life dodge. It's it's
Speaker 1: really good. This game feels so fucking good. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: already resigned myself to starting over Mary because, like I agree,
Speaker 1: it does throw shit at you really quickly, and it's
Speaker 1: the polar opposite of silk song or silk songs. Like,
Speaker 1: here's one thing master this over an hour before you
Speaker 1: get a new thing. Really a lot of frustration, a
Speaker 1: lot of challenge, a lot of like it's gonna require
Speaker 1: some resolve on your parts and dedication, where she'd always like,
Speaker 1: all right, we trust that you know how to fucking eliminate.
Speaker 3: You got two medallions. Here's six moves. We're so proud
Speaker 3: of you, we love you.
Speaker 2: It's such a power song.
Speaker 1: Mom.
Speaker 3: I've been like eight hours in a boss and it's like,
Speaker 3: you get nothing. We didn't even put anything here.
Speaker 1: We hate you, like like drinks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like there's a complete opposite types of development studios, Like
Speaker 3: they just want to harm you, and Shnoby is constantly
Speaker 3: giving me gifts and I'm like, my pockets are full,
Speaker 3: I don't want anything else, Grandma.
Speaker 1: It's all leave me alone. It's great, it's I love
Speaker 1: it for it.
Speaker 5: If somebody is having like if silk Song is not
Speaker 5: clicking for someone and it's just too brutal or whatever,
Speaker 5: I cannot imagine that better palate cleanser A yeah, some
Speaker 5: similar ish you know, like two D kind of exploring
Speaker 5: tips off, but like you are the one killing everything
Speaker 5: in Shnoby.
Speaker 1: It's Barmenheimer, but with Ninja's Yeah, that's so sweet.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 4: That's a really good comparison. I think they're both hard
Speaker 4: to like. I've been tested in Shnoby. I just think
Speaker 4: it's more graceful.
Speaker 3: It's kinder.
Speaker 4: It's like not putting, it's not giving me anything that
Speaker 4: I can't figure out. There are times in Hollow Night
Speaker 4: where I'm like, it's impossible, it can't be done. They've
Speaker 4: obviously made this game impossible just to.
Speaker 1: Fuck with me becoming John mulaney talking about that game.
Speaker 1: Did anybody else hear that it can't be done? It's impossible,
Speaker 1: it can't be It's impossible. I've got a nice suit
Speaker 1: that's being tailored. I gotta go pick it up more
Speaker 1: than John Mulaney did.
Speaker 3: In a way, it depends on how much cocaine you
Speaker 3: give them.
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm clean now these days. Girl. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Ioby uh Dan Praier recommendation. Immediately, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this game rules.
Speaker 3: It's good. I want to play more of it.
Speaker 1: After those like first two hours, like just.
Speaker 2: It only gets better.
Speaker 4: I also think, like for a long plane ride, I
Speaker 4: personally don't know if Hollow Night is going to be
Speaker 4: that for me because I could see myself getting.
Speaker 1: Really plane ride seem way longer, yeah, like a.
Speaker 4: Jail, Whereas I think Shanoby is going to be like, ah,
Speaker 4: I have eight hours to enjoy this universe and fun
Speaker 4: shit up like that is going to be a nice
Speaker 4: palate cleanser for me. So I think that is what
Speaker 4: I'm going to be playing more of. I've just been
Speaker 4: trying to get. I think I'm closed Dan, but I
Speaker 4: I don't. Actually I have not looked.
Speaker 3: Up like where I'm at, but I am at Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm at well now, I don't know if I can
Speaker 3: say it silk.
Speaker 2: Song or snowby Silk Song. I mean we've been spoiling, right,
Speaker 2: I'm at the I'm at least the second time.
Speaker 3: Second.
Speaker 1: Oh damn it, it's what I said. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say, Oh, you were worried about me.
Speaker 3: It's the one thing, the one thing you said you
Speaker 3: didn't want to know. Well, I ran into her again
Speaker 3: and she still pissed.
Speaker 2: Credits at all yet?
Speaker 3: Right, No, I don't think So, okay, can you be
Speaker 3: do credits without Yeah that's spoiler.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think I know we were going
Speaker 5: to ask and like, yes, you can see credits and
Speaker 5: then have another like I'll tell you this, I got
Speaker 5: credits around thirty two hours. I didn't see the Act
Speaker 5: three slide until forty hours, Right, did you get?
Speaker 3: And are there?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Same thing?
Speaker 1: That's bad ending And it's at that point if you're
Speaker 1: not if you didn't finish the game.
Speaker 2: Some games do that and have like a bonus, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, But it's act three. It's not epilogue.
Speaker 2: Act three is basically an epilogue.
Speaker 1: I'm on to cherry. I don't think that there's know
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I think they're just a bunch of
Speaker 1: rookies who are just like, oh, let's.
Speaker 2: Make let's make things hard and frustrated.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, are you so mad?
Speaker 1: I don't know to fucking roll credits at the end
Speaker 1: like a normal boy.
Speaker 2: It's the encore.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's better call it an encore. That'd be awesome. Uh.
Speaker 1: You want to do some talk about emails?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I love yeah, eating them, thinking about them?
Speaker 1: Okay. As always, you can write into fire Escape cast
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com for questions, comments, concerns. Uh. We
Speaker 1: have quite a few responses. From last episode. Dan had
Speaker 1: mentioned that he was trying to figure out if he
Speaker 1: he just apparently it keeps him up at night thinking
Speaker 1: about if he was transported back to a castle in
Speaker 1: the Middle Ages and he was immediately going to be
Speaker 1: killed if he But what is a skill we have
Speaker 1: to have.
Speaker 3: A simple man? Yeah, he can castle times?
Speaker 1: What is a skill he could immediately show them that
Speaker 1: we have knowledge of that would paint him as a
Speaker 1: wizard or some sort to them, so they'd spare him.
Speaker 1: So we got a few of those that we have
Speaker 1: some other questions, So thank you for writing in. But
Speaker 1: keep those questions coming. They're good enough. I'll put them
Speaker 1: in the show. If they're not into the bin, you go.
Speaker 4: This is like the silk Song of email reading. We
Speaker 4: won't even acknowledge your work.
Speaker 2: Yes, you get nothing.
Speaker 1: You stolef is he lifting drinks? Okay this one tonight
Speaker 1: Alex and Bendigo not into the bin? Go he's written
Speaker 1: from Bendigo.
Speaker 2: We're gonna end this podcast on the.
Speaker 1: White sheet black letters unfold. We must read them.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what hot or cold?
Speaker 1: Mary? Do you want to read this first one from Alex?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I don't understand what that impression was. No, Mike demanded
Speaker 4: we all write in.
Speaker 1: We thought we demand. I think I politely requested, are
Speaker 1: you way mad?
Speaker 3: I'm just reading this guy.
Speaker 1: Alex from Bendigo. He Beniso is.
Speaker 3: Doing what he's told.
Speaker 4: H demanded that we all write in with what you
Speaker 4: could do in Castle Times. Mike, your three most prominent
Speaker 4: elements are stupid. Voice you just did one stupid, the
Speaker 4: fact that you're four foot nine, and that you were
Speaker 4: voted sexiest mandolin player by Mandolin Player Monthly magazine in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: You will be a court jester.
Speaker 1: Fine that I'd be. I'd be trying to make him laugh.
Speaker 3: Cyborlthare.
Speaker 1: Now you're doing Bob Dylan.
Speaker 3: No, but that's like in like a weird gesture voice.
Speaker 2: Wait the way Hans heaven.
Speaker 1: Man by me who she was?
Speaker 2: Love mine?
Speaker 1: Tell you all right?
Speaker 3: You live Mary.
Speaker 4: Given the opening of last episode, it's very clear you're
Speaker 4: the strongest talent.
Speaker 1: Is it not what he wrote?
Speaker 3: I think he said you're the strongest talent.
Speaker 4: What I mean, it's very clear your strongest talent is
Speaker 4: one of the most vicious acid tongues to ever grace humanity.
Speaker 3: The level of vitriol, spite, and shame you can vomit
Speaker 3: out is terrifying and commendable. You would become the pope
Speaker 3: less than three days.
Speaker 2: Political hope back then like ad fear.
Speaker 3: Hello, shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now we got a Chicagoan in the in the big seat.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you got there. Really, I don't
Speaker 1: pay the billy. What's the guy's name, billy.
Speaker 2: I do believe that historically.
Speaker 3: We're super kind.
Speaker 1: Popes were pretty could be authoritarian.
Speaker 2: There's a Palatine pope that looked like the Star Wars emperor.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's where that's where George Lucas got the idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that's really fair. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Alex uh Dan.
Speaker 4: Your only hope is that Manati is transferred back with
Speaker 4: you to act as a comparison point, so you might
Speaker 4: have any chance of seeming useful.
Speaker 3: You are still weirder.
Speaker 2: I do genuinely disagree with you.
Speaker 3: He gave you nothing.
Speaker 5: I mean, I honestly, that's fair. I think I take
Speaker 5: no offense to that. I I don't know what I
Speaker 5: would have to offer Manati. I think Manatti would do
Speaker 5: all right, uh to sort of. I think he could sing,
Speaker 5: and he could cook meat and stuff. I do think
Speaker 5: Manati might be able to do better than me and
Speaker 5: Castle Times, because he'd like texting a lot of Castle
Speaker 5: Times fiction, you know, like Lord of the Rings and stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: Times Guy Zelda doesn't really work.
Speaker 3: Maybe both of you with your powers combined, though, you
Speaker 3: could have some kind of fun two.
Speaker 5: Person act on stage or something like a like a
Speaker 5: podcast with them who's on first.
Speaker 3: Type situation in Castle Times, you know, play.
Speaker 2: Off each other well. But yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: the Castle people are gonna.
Speaker 4: Like it without all your gaming knowledge, I just don't
Speaker 4: understand what we talk about, what material you have.
Speaker 3: You're like, what about this gruel? Yeah, I'd love to
Speaker 3: hear Mike Minate's bit on gruel and like sleeping on straw.
Speaker 1: I would just tell them now, I would just tell
Speaker 1: them like I would pretend I'm a fortune teller, Like
Speaker 1: I would just tell them, oh, Dave Girl has a
Speaker 1: secret baby like that. That's simple enough to tell them.
Speaker 5: They're not going to live long enough, like what we
Speaker 5: were Castle Time. They're not going to live long enough
Speaker 5: to know about Dave Girl.
Speaker 2: You're right, so the.
Speaker 1: Battle of Hastings will be one no.
Speaker 2: Eclipses or something, you know, the.
Speaker 4: Stars are actually uh bugs, and if you don't believe
Speaker 4: in God enough, who is also me, they will come
Speaker 4: down and kill you.
Speaker 1: You could probably figure out a way to frame yourself
Speaker 1: as God. I think so.
Speaker 3: I think i'd get away with it.
Speaker 1: A Ventura did it, I'd.
Speaker 3: Either do it or die try.
Speaker 4: I think like I would go for broke right. I'm
Speaker 4: not there to live a life of like stirring the soup.
Speaker 4: That's just not who I was born to be. So
Speaker 4: I'll go all in and say I actually am an
Speaker 4: ethereal being, and I will smite anyone who touches me
Speaker 4: or doesn't feed me and clothe me and bathe me
Speaker 4: and give me really good jewels and stuff, and then
Speaker 4: hope it works out.
Speaker 1: Easy for you to say you got boobs. You could
Speaker 1: just I know they'll they'll they'll be more than that
Speaker 1: you didn't have them.
Speaker 3: Back in Castle times, they're like they're so enamored by the.
Speaker 1: First they've been fucking driving a Morocco around. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden a range rover shows up.
Speaker 3: Take a look at these cattle bus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Castle boys. They hope for is being just a
Speaker 2: well liked guy about town. I think that's it.
Speaker 5: I think I'm a friendly fellow. I think I get
Speaker 5: along with folks, and I think that you keep them living.
Speaker 2: Oh that I have know him Dan?
Speaker 1: Just walking around asking people if door Dash delivers to
Speaker 1: the castle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just hoping people invite me over for dinner and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the best I could hope for.
Speaker 3: Someone's been milking the cows in the dead of night,
Speaker 3: and it's been you because you don't have a job
Speaker 3: and you don't know how to consume any food anymore, so.
Speaker 5: You've just Then they'd ask like you be like, oh,
Speaker 5: is there anything I can do to help an exchange
Speaker 5: for this dinner?
Speaker 2: And then they'd tell me something. I'd be like, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to do.
Speaker 3: You have any media I could review?
Speaker 2: Yeah, get out a microphones, We'll get out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Alex.
Speaker 1: Yeah Dan. This one is from Paul in Middle Georgia.
Speaker 2: I'm reading this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Okay, what to do? Read it? Hey?
Speaker 2: Hey, guys.
Speaker 5: If Dan were to suddenly find himself in Castle times,
Speaker 5: I think Dan knows enough about the lingo and how
Speaker 5: the sausage is made to be able to invent wrestling.
Speaker 5: Just find an investor, put a troop together, bing bang, boom.
Speaker 5: Mike could probably pull bullshit his way into becoming like
Speaker 5: a fence or something. Harry would be burned at the
Speaker 5: stake for being too intelligent a witch.
Speaker 3: I'm offended and appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to like a compliment slash insult.
Speaker 3: I mean back then, I do think it happened a lot,
Speaker 3: and I do think that is a part of it.
Speaker 2: Which stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, my original plan of saying I'm just going to
Speaker 3: say I'm a god and tell people I'll smite them
Speaker 3: if they don't give me jewels and food. I think
Speaker 3: it's going to go two ways. One is they're going
Speaker 3: to be afraid of me and they're going to do
Speaker 3: what I say, and the other one is that they're
Speaker 3: going to burn me at the stake. So I think
Speaker 3: I do have like a fifty to fifty chance.
Speaker 5: I like what I think what Paul is saying here
Speaker 5: is maybe one of the better actual things I could do,
Speaker 5: which is just like take my knowledge of how like
Speaker 5: the Carnie origins of wrestling and apply it to like
Speaker 5: it's a pretty timeless thing, you know, just have like
Speaker 5: plants in the audience and be like nobody can beat
Speaker 5: my strong man, and then have a plant that you know,
Speaker 5: and they pay on the to watch the fight and everything, like, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I could invent wrestling one hundreds of years
Speaker 5: before or at the.
Speaker 4: Very minimum, you could probably like just set up that
Speaker 4: actually are fake and then profit off of the money
Speaker 4: that people bet because you know who's gonna win.
Speaker 5: Well, that's say people thought it was real until like
Speaker 5: the fucking mid nineties. Basically, like imagine the fourteen hundreds
Speaker 5: or whatever, Like it'd be the easiest marks in the world.
Speaker 3: Those stupid idiots. They don't even have electricity yet.
Speaker 4: Imagine what you could do with wrestlers that say that
Speaker 4: they got hurt amazing.
Speaker 2: They don't know work from a shoot back then.
Speaker 3: I still don't, And there I am burned at the stake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're screaming, your flesh is burning off, and I'm.
Speaker 3: There, revolves.
Speaker 1: I would just be fucking silver tongue in my way
Speaker 1: into that snatch. Snatch. Whoa, I'm gonna bullshit my way
Speaker 1: into that snatch. Say that to the queen. See how
Speaker 1: that goes down.
Speaker 4: He seems possible that we all die horrible death because
Speaker 4: Mike's trying to bang the clean. I think I'm a
Speaker 4: god and Dan gets over his head trying to set
Speaker 4: up wrestling matches.
Speaker 1: We'd all go out the same we die. This the
Speaker 1: way we lived, truly, wrestling matches, connelings and burning.
Speaker 3: I wrestled the Fire and I lost.
Speaker 1: I wrestled Deck Clinton.
Speaker 4: I won.
Speaker 1: Now it's gross. That's the grossest thing I said in
Speaker 1: the why.
Speaker 3: About it.
Speaker 1: I realized my credit. I realized that it was come
Speaker 1: out in my mouth, that it was gross.
Speaker 2: I wish my soundboard still work. I'd be using that.
Speaker 1: Really good. Okay, I'm going to read it. Thank you
Speaker 1: Paul from Middle Georgia. I'm gonna read this one from
Speaker 1: Max from markham on tear, Hello, Firescape cast crew. I
Speaker 1: did not own an original switch and about the switch
Speaker 1: to and launch day after finally being in a comfortable
Speaker 1: financial spot, currently going through both the back catalog of
Speaker 1: games and recently picked up Mario plus Rabbid's Kingdom Battle
Speaker 1: on sale awesome game. And the characters in the Overworld
Speaker 1: run like some of the people I just saw in
Speaker 1: the movie Weapons. Hoping everyone in the podcasts has seen
Speaker 1: this for the upcoming question, we definitely have. This run
Speaker 1: could also be described as the Naruto run I guess
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the show. My question after seeing this
Speaker 1: is if someone real or fictional was cursed to hunt
Speaker 1: you like they do in weapons, who would be the
Speaker 1: most terrifying. My first thought was that the kool a
Speaker 1: man was chasing me with his arms behind his back,
Speaker 1: eyes blank, trying everything in his power to kill me.
Speaker 1: I would probably lose my shit immediately. Any who Max
Speaker 1: from Markham, Ontario, Canada.
Speaker 2: Bruce Scanlon, he's the sweetest boy in though. That's a thing.
Speaker 2: That's exactly why worst.
Speaker 5: If suddenly Drew Scanlan was a weapon style running at me,
Speaker 5: it would be such a different Like Drew was just
Speaker 5: so nice and calm and composed. So if he was
Speaker 5: like wild eyed and bleeding and sprinting at me trying
Speaker 5: to know something was something was terribly wrong.
Speaker 3: For me, I'd be like, Drew, you need a doctor,
Speaker 3: come here, I have a band aid. And then he
Speaker 3: would snap my neck. I would never he pummels your
Speaker 3: skull with his skull, It would trick me immediately. I
Speaker 3: would never. I would never assume anything bad could happen.
Speaker 1: He could fly planes. Imagine him doing that from a.
Speaker 2: Plane, like with his hands behind his face before he's.
Speaker 1: Just flying at you like a plane. I would same,
Speaker 1: same reason they would. Jake Decker would terrify me such
Speaker 1: a like even headed, calm, cool, collected dude, one of
Speaker 1: my best friends. Like, if he was coming at me
Speaker 1: like that, I'd that'd be weird. I guess my dad,
Speaker 1: my mom, anybody close to me.
Speaker 2: If my day was running, I would know something was terribleness.
Speaker 1: Just running all his arms, the idea airplace them one.
Speaker 4: Going floodlights connected to his feet. They're just dragging through
Speaker 4: electric cords.
Speaker 5: I did ask him one point. I was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: when was the last time you ran? And he was like,
Speaker 5: I think that maybe I ran to my car while
Speaker 5: it was raining once, like twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: Like he just he doesn't run quickly.
Speaker 3: Probably nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't move quickly.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Because of one of the scariest movies I ever saw,
Speaker 4: Mike and I talked about this a lot, was It Follows.
Speaker 3: I think some of that was the randomness of like
Speaker 3: a random person that just kind of freaks you out.
Speaker 3: I do think that.
Speaker 4: Just a weird looking lady or dude that's naked would
Speaker 4: scare the shit out.
Speaker 2: Of me, because is a multiplier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would just freak me out. And I think
Speaker 3: that was something and that was a theme in that show.
Speaker 4: Another one was because it was like, uh yeah, like
Speaker 4: people you well, the plot was kind of like people
Speaker 4: you had slept with were like the next in line.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I bet if you're like exes were
Speaker 4: running at you, that would freak the crap out of me,
Speaker 4: not just because of like why are you running at me,
Speaker 4: but also like what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen you in ten years?
Speaker 4: And I don't want to, Like I don't want my
Speaker 4: exes running at me for any reason ever.
Speaker 5: I like just yesterday had a moment of I was
Speaker 5: just being very self conscious about like I walk every day,
Speaker 5: like around the neighborhood and stuff, and at one point
Speaker 5: yesterday I found myself like walking at about the same
Speaker 5: pace as this woman, but I was behind her, and
Speaker 5: so I was like, probably, you know, fifty feet behind
Speaker 5: her or whatever, and I was like I just kind
Speaker 5: of feel awkward, like just kind of walking, Yeah, you
Speaker 5: got here at the same pace. So like I crossed
Speaker 5: to the other side of the street just to be like, hey,
Speaker 5: just don't want to think I'm following you or whatever.
Speaker 5: And then like she turned and it was where I
Speaker 5: was going to and it's like, well, I'm trying to
Speaker 5: get back to my house. I have to go that way,
Speaker 5: and so like here I am again. I turned and
Speaker 5: there were like three different turns where it's like, God,
Speaker 5: damn it, this is where I'm going, you know, like,
Speaker 5: how do you make it? Like, I just want to
Speaker 5: make it very clear, I'm not following you, Like this
Speaker 5: is that weirder to say that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, she's just walking in her neighborhood and this man.
Speaker 3: But I was I wanting to show you that I
Speaker 3: don't have a gun, No big deal.
Speaker 5: I'm not I don't have a weapon. Look at where
Speaker 5: It's like I was feeling weird about it, and I
Speaker 5: was sure. She was like is this guy following me?
Speaker 5: And I was like, I just how do I make it?
Speaker 5: Do I go through the woods? Do I get off
Speaker 5: the path?
Speaker 1: You know? That is the most Tim Robbinson asked, ship
Speaker 1: you go into the woods because you can't deal with
Speaker 1: the social cli complications of this encounter. There's probably some
Speaker 1: celebrity that would scare me more if they were doing
Speaker 1: this than anybody else.
Speaker 4: There's a TikTok about what you're doing, Dan, which is
Speaker 4: like you're passing a girl in the woods on a
Speaker 4: high How do you do it so that it's not
Speaker 4: scary because you're both alone in the woods and she's
Speaker 4: a sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all pretty silly, but generally the joke is
Speaker 3: that you like vogue or do something. Whether she's like
Speaker 3: oh good, you're an ally like, oh you're one of us,
Speaker 3: Yeah you.
Speaker 5: Like you is like that works if you were at
Speaker 5: a pace faster than the person. So I've got like
Speaker 5: my AirPods in and I'll just look straightforward and like
Speaker 5: as I'm doing the past, like once you're kind of
Speaker 5: like like right next to each other, I just kind
Speaker 5: of like turn, just do a little like looky friendly
Speaker 5: like smile and wave, and then you just keep going
Speaker 5: along on your way like oh, good evening or something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 2: That's that's probably a good way to do it.
Speaker 3: I think it's a nice thing to do. But I
Speaker 3: think the the ultimate thing I just want to commend
Speaker 3: you for is I think the nicest thing is to
Speaker 3: give them space.
Speaker 4: And so the fact that you cross the street without
Speaker 4: like really even thinking it is a wonderful. That is
Speaker 4: what I would recommend for most people, which is like,
Speaker 4: this isn't about you at all. Sometimes people are like,
Speaker 4: but I didn't do anything and I would never hurt anyone.
Speaker 4: It's like, that's actually not what it's about.
Speaker 2: They don't know that. They just know that there's some
Speaker 2: guy they don't know.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, women carry this burden. This has happened to me
Speaker 3: so many times. We're like, it's like.
Speaker 4: Late at night, I carry fucking keys in my hand
Speaker 4: because there we have like a burden that we bear.
Speaker 4: So it is it is not on who you are
Speaker 4: at all as a person. The idea that you're just
Speaker 4: like I should just cross the street and give them
Speaker 4: much more.
Speaker 3: Space is the best move.
Speaker 4: Just give them more space, because it kind of just
Speaker 4: freaks a girl out when there's men in close proximity
Speaker 4: and they're alone.
Speaker 3: That's just that's the reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the woods and stuff.
Speaker 3: That was the golden move, my dude, excellent. Yeah, or
Speaker 3: kill them, you know, because.
Speaker 2: Like you got old after a while.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing every time, you know, like yeh
Speaker 5: from behind that, Yeah, it's just the same screams.
Speaker 2: It's the same every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm bored out of places.
Speaker 2: To bury the bodies.
Speaker 3: Give me a challenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, not good at still, what are you
Speaker 2: afraid of?
Speaker 1: I think Cloris Leachman would be weird, like young Cloris Leachman. Now, like,
Speaker 1: is that Claris Leachman?
Speaker 5: But look, no, Clorence Leachman because of the Norm McDonald,
Speaker 5: Bob Saget.
Speaker 1: Roach, No, I knew. I uh, that's a big part
Speaker 1: of why I know her.
Speaker 2: That's mainly why I know her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh yeah, there's like I guess.
Speaker 3: The tallest woman in the world that would freak me out.
Speaker 1: Albert Finney would be weird too.
Speaker 3: Are the tallest man? Tall people are scary?
Speaker 1: Tall people do creep me out? I told Will Carle Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jason Alexander, Jason Alexander, Why am I blank?
Speaker 2: Castanza?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ah weird?
Speaker 2: Is that George George Castanza and then he running at me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be someone you have to take a
Speaker 1: second to recognize. Yeah, that's why I was thinking, like
Speaker 1: Helen Mirrendeo Kojima. Yeah, although again it's probably has something.
Speaker 4: To do with his next game, Like Charlie from It's
Speaker 4: Always Sunny And at first you're like and then you're like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, no, my family would be weird. Thank
Speaker 1: you Max from Markham, Ontario. Mary, do you want to
Speaker 1: read this one? From Christian.
Speaker 4: Echo the community when saying that very much appreciate it,
Speaker 4: appreciate all three of you and that you share your
Speaker 4: time and selves with us.
Speaker 3: You three are all wonderful, truly caring and a joy.
Speaker 3: Is this a plant?
Speaker 1: I just wrote?
Speaker 3: No, thank you, Christian, I don't believe it. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that question.
Speaker 4: We are expecting our first child in January and have
Speaker 4: found deciding on baby names to be an experience. We
Speaker 4: quickly discovered some lingering feelings with those who have passed
Speaker 4: through our lives when you reject name after name as
Speaker 4: can't name our child after that person or names that
Speaker 4: just give the I are there any names you can't
Speaker 4: imagine ever naming your own theoretical child? Do you think
Speaker 4: you'd find boy or girl names harder? Girl names are
Speaker 4: much easier for us?
Speaker 3: And the second question, yeah, then do you want to
Speaker 3: start with one and then we'll go to the second one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, very I'll go back to it.
Speaker 3: Let's not a little knock one out. Thank you, Christian.
Speaker 3: I'll come back.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we don't have kids, but we
Speaker 2: have pets, and so that's.
Speaker 3: We're so easy.
Speaker 2: Dogs and cats you can just name them weird things.
Speaker 2: And like with people, it's got to be like.
Speaker 1: How easy it is to.
Speaker 3: Name fucking dog corn dog and like call it a life.
Speaker 3: You can't child that you can't name a child Brisket.
Speaker 1: Amanda and I we don't don't plan on having kids,
Speaker 1: but we have talked about like it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just comes up as like a fun convo it
Speaker 1: sometimes over drinks or whatever. If we were going to
Speaker 1: have a boy, what we name if we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a girl, what we name them. But it does come
Speaker 1: up every once in a while, like early on I
Speaker 1: would recommend a name and she'd be like, nope, one
Speaker 1: of my worst ex's, for instance, or something like that,
Speaker 1: like a cruciation stick.
Speaker 5: I feel like, I I've never thought about this before,
Speaker 5: but I do kind of hate just like modern trendy
Speaker 5: names where it's like it's like Brayden and.
Speaker 1: Like soap like that's like millennial kid naming from soap operas.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, or something like Whennef Pultrow would like name
Speaker 5: her kids or something where it's like so I feel
Speaker 5: like I would want to go the other direction and
Speaker 5: just be like, here's my kid Carl, you know, like
Speaker 5: just the most like a name that could have been
Speaker 5: from nineteen forty.
Speaker 2: You know, here's Steve, Here's Carl, Here's Jilly Brick.
Speaker 1: Oh, listen, Brick, that'd be a sick kid named Rick Reker.
Speaker 1: I know Rick Rick is the.
Speaker 3: Name you think it is. Brick gives media, Yeah, is
Speaker 3: this my son, Brick?
Speaker 2: I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just setting up for a life on that pole.
Speaker 2: Good for him, he comes, Brick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my daughter Crystal Chandelier just ruined both of them
Speaker 3: for life.
Speaker 1: Brick and his sister Botox doing a co op dance
Speaker 1: for all you Bucky bums out there. Creighton, Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you started to Braiden. That'd be annoying. It just sounds
Speaker 1: like something that would be like Hunter, Bryce, Crench, those
Speaker 1: are all.
Speaker 2: Probably Crench would be a good name for a woman.
Speaker 2: I've never thought of.
Speaker 1: Kreskowski Maharty.
Speaker 3: He's a French.
Speaker 1: She literally can only be a brain surgeon or else
Speaker 1: he will amount to nothing.
Speaker 3: No, he's a murderer before he comes out of the womb.
Speaker 1: It's not a matter of whether he's a murder. It's
Speaker 1: a matter of how he's going to kill his victims
Speaker 1: and how long he's gonna shakes. Hopefully he u's a scalpel.
Speaker 3: I will say. There's a good subreddit for this.
Speaker 4: It's called traged day and it's spelled really weird intentionally
Speaker 4: because a modern thing that a lot of people do
Speaker 4: is they have a kid, you know, named Chantrell, but
Speaker 4: it has like eight eyes in it and six e's
Speaker 4: and I'm party always comes to mind. So it's like
Speaker 4: just terribly pronounced, difficult to understand, too many lettered names.
Speaker 4: And the subreddit's pretty funny because it is actual people
Speaker 4: who are like my sister wants to name her son,
Speaker 4: you know, this awful, awful, awful name that has too
Speaker 4: many vowels in it, and how they try and fight
Speaker 4: the tragedy of the name. So I think that's a
Speaker 4: cool place to find terrible names that you never want.
Speaker 2: There's so many steaks with naming a human, you.
Speaker 4: Know, no, you don't want it to rhyme with anything bad,
Speaker 4: Like you can't name them jars. Yeah, totally, we read
Speaker 4: the same mind, Yeah, but with the like pets.
Speaker 5: And stuff too, like you know, the breed and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. So like, you know, we knew, like Gizmo,
Speaker 5: he was going to be a cavalier, and he was
Speaker 5: a cavalier, and it's like we look at him like
Speaker 5: to this day, I'll look at.
Speaker 2: Him like, yeah, nailed it with Gizmo. That is a
Speaker 2: gizmo right there, Gizmo.
Speaker 5: But like with a person, you don't know if they're
Speaker 5: going to be like a Navy seal or like a
Speaker 5: Dungeons and Dragons guy, you know, so it's like you
Speaker 5: gotta you can't really predict it.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you have to have a malleable name
Speaker 4: that allows them to decide what they are. And I
Speaker 4: think like one of the as a non parents, so
Speaker 4: I will preface with that one of the toughest lessons
Speaker 4: most parents have to learn is that you do not
Speaker 4: get to decide the fate of your kid. Like they
Speaker 4: are going to be things that maybe you didn't want
Speaker 4: them to be. Maybe you really want them.
Speaker 2: To be a football star, and that's what my mom wanted.
Speaker 4: They're a big stinky nerd that can't public speak to
Speaker 4: save their life. And Dan is like a name that
Speaker 4: could be a track star, but it could also be
Speaker 4: a bookworm.
Speaker 3: It could be both.
Speaker 4: And so I like to think of names as like
Speaker 4: malleable casings for whatever your child ends up being, because
Speaker 4: the truth is is that, like a good parent doesn't
Speaker 4: really have to do anything but love their child. So
Speaker 4: like it's just should be like something that stretches and
Speaker 4: bends to like whatever that kid ends up being.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let the personality and the person be the thing
Speaker 5: that stands out, and like let the name just be
Speaker 5: you know, just standard name, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't name them Alfred. They've got one job
Speaker 1: for the rest of their life, oh Butler? Yeah? Or
Speaker 1: like what's another one, Jeeves or Jeeves, Jeeves a better one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's Cinderella.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a real tough life. She's really stuck.
Speaker 1: Zenya. If you do have a kid named Zenya, send them.
Speaker 3: The countdown.
Speaker 1: This is Brick, that's Crunch, this is Velveta, Trough and Trough.
Speaker 2: I think, Mike, you should have kids just so you
Speaker 2: can work out these names.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is Brick's gonna be a He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a sex worker and you know, more power to him.
Speaker 2: But he's gonna be a Borderlands character?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was? Yeah, Velveta is gonna be like
Speaker 1: the the press secretary for a weird president in the future. Blizz, Yeah, Blizz,
Speaker 1: Blizz is going to be on He's going to try
Speaker 1: to reincarnate American Gladiator.
Speaker 5: Is there a name that, if you hear you instantly
Speaker 5: have a like, oh, they must suck the connotation with it.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the quest. Oh, like what
Speaker 1: is mine?
Speaker 2: The one that comes to my mind is Todd.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Todd. Todd's Todd's big.
Speaker 2: You hear it Todd? And I don't really know Todd.
Speaker 1: Guy, but like I still associate the name with with that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we with who? I still associate the name with douchebags?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I just don't really know any like
Speaker 2: Todd Howard.
Speaker 5: A couple of times he seems fine, I guess, but
Speaker 5: that's the only like Todd I actually know xactly.
Speaker 3: But Andrew Brittany.
Speaker 4: Sorry for all the Brittany's out there, But like I've
Speaker 4: met a lot of Britney's and Ashley's, and so I think,
Speaker 4: like when I meet another Britney or Ashley, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, it's like one more like I don't
Speaker 4: need any more Britney's or Ashley's.
Speaker 3: I got too many. I got too many of those
Speaker 3: in my life. I like the name Sarah. I don't
Speaker 3: know why.
Speaker 2: I just I think that's.
Speaker 1: Niece calm name. I have so many Megans in my family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, means a lot of mics.
Speaker 3: It's overused. Mic is overused.
Speaker 4: It's not bad, it's just I wouldn't name a kid
Speaker 4: something that, like, I feel like, is so common. Another
Speaker 4: reference is there's ones where you can look up the
Speaker 4: most popular baby names from like the last years, and
Speaker 4: they're very consistent. Let me see what the most popular
Speaker 4: baby names are. The most popular baby names Twine Hunter.
Speaker 1: There, I've met a lot of young Hunters.
Speaker 3: So fucking popular. Okay, baby girls, excuse me, Olivia, am
Speaker 3: I like those? Amelia Charlotte, You're gonna get lost in
Speaker 3: the ocean, Mia, Sophia, Isabella. Yeah, Eva, Sophia very calm,
Speaker 3: like a feather fell, you know.
Speaker 4: And here's the men's Liam Noah all like Liam Theodore.
Speaker 3: That one's adorable. James, Henry Matteo Potos real good.
Speaker 1: I would name him Matteo. I like.
Speaker 3: Like Henry.
Speaker 2: You can do both, yeah, Hank or Henry is great.
Speaker 1: Hank I like, I like.
Speaker 2: I don't like Liam.
Speaker 1: I likely I grew up. You know what. You know
Speaker 1: what name I like is Dylan.
Speaker 2: Is a nice name.
Speaker 5: I don't like one Dylan and he just sucks this
Speaker 5: hockey player idiot. Yeah, Wayne, it's Backlar's kid, I mean.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: What about Wayne?
Speaker 2: I like Wayne. I have positive connotations with Wayne, Wayne Knight,
Speaker 2: Wayne's world.
Speaker 1: Wayne Newton Gratzky.
Speaker 3: What about Dibbs? Like I got Dibbs, but is.
Speaker 5: Also Backlar's kid. It's his acronym name initials is what
Speaker 5: you say.
Speaker 1: While we're on the topic, let's talk about the fucking
Speaker 1: name Bakolar. What the fuck were they thinking?
Speaker 2: It fucked up?
Speaker 3: Its fucking Jeff a true tragedyy.
Speaker 1: And also, what's with a fucking number of Jeffs.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of Jeffs in the occasional goff. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's so many Jeffs. My my, my main childhood bully
Speaker 5: was the Jeff.
Speaker 1: So I do have it there to a game form,
Speaker 1: there's there there were two porking Mark.
Speaker 2: And Acervic three well Markiva was Jeff them Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right to differentiate them because there were three.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of andies. We had a lot
Speaker 5: of Matts with birds. We had Cado with Miller. Yeah, yeah, Matt.
Speaker 5: Matt was a popular one for sure.
Speaker 3: Matt is a nice, sturdy name.
Speaker 2: Matt, Matt.
Speaker 3: Matt could be anything. That's one of time when I
Speaker 3: was talking about like a malleable name and Matt could
Speaker 3: be anything. They could be a scientist, they could be uh,
Speaker 3: a private dancer, they could be whoever they want. Yeah,
Speaker 3: welcome to the stage. Matt.
Speaker 2: Matt not a stage name.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know what guys stripper names.
Speaker 1: Are are the Matt you know, there is you just
Speaker 1: the end of it. It's like like the thing is
Speaker 1: at dude stripper at you know, with lady stripper. It's
Speaker 1: always like ambrosia or cinnamon or something. Matt.
Speaker 3: You juice up the last name. It's like Matt fatty
Speaker 3: dong dong, you know.
Speaker 6: Like you just you just like tack it all got
Speaker 6: a new gamer dig Yeah, yeah, this is bricks fat
Speaker 6: fat ding dong.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the KD race on on brick chomp dick.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a KD. He's so good. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully we helped clear some stuff up for January. So
Speaker 1: you know, what's the name of your kidd Brick? So
Speaker 1: thank you, Christian Crunch. What was the other one, Crench Christian? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you want to keep the father's name, Crench Christianaw,
Speaker 1: it's okay. No initials, Yeah, that would be bad.
Speaker 3: Rusty clown classic. Oh God, set them up for a
Speaker 3: miserable life the last last.
Speaker 1: Yes yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes yes yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes yes yes.
Speaker 4: I think Dan is currently leading the group, with injuries
Speaker 4: having occurred during the podcast and sometimes because of the podcast.
Speaker 4: Betting odds, whom of the three of you is the
Speaker 4: most likely to be injured next?
Speaker 3: Dan, What the fun is up with your fingers?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What ship?
Speaker 2: It's been for a year and a half?
Speaker 1: Wait, cut them? No you.
Speaker 2: This is slicing with a veggie slicer.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's still fucked up. I think Dan betting odds probably
Speaker 1: he's definitely. You're also cooking a lot more so, like
Speaker 1: you're no.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm off that now, why are.
Speaker 1: You off cooking? I was very proud of that momentum.
Speaker 2: Because it was good.
Speaker 5: No, it was nice, but it's like it was a
Speaker 5: thing where it's like I was trying to do it
Speaker 5: for health purposes and stuff, but it's like even chicken
Speaker 5: breast and veggies and stuff you used on oils, using
Speaker 5: all this stuff, so like it takes a ten more time,
Speaker 5: and then the calories do super duper add up, so
Speaker 5: it's like, even I'm eating healthier stuff, it's still like Okay, yeah, oh,
Speaker 5: I've gained a ton of weight in the last time.
Speaker 2: Injury and not running.
Speaker 3: What are you back on.
Speaker 2: Eating wise?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're not cooking, how are you surviving breakfast?
Speaker 2: I'm back on oats. I'm doing like a delivery overnight.
Speaker 3: I can't get cut on those. Oh okay, so you're
Speaker 3: not making them, They're being delivered to your door.
Speaker 2: It's super uggin easy. It's great.
Speaker 5: And then for lunch, I do peanut butter sandwich, no
Speaker 5: sides or anything. Sometimes a turkey sandwich or cheese.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't cut can't cut yourself on peanut.
Speaker 2: Butter and jelly, Nope, Nope.
Speaker 5: And then I'll usually for like a snag or something
Speaker 5: before dinner, I'll do like a string cheese or something
Speaker 5: like that. And then dinner, I've got another like meal
Speaker 5: service thing that like most of their things are like
Speaker 5: under five hundred calories. And it's like here's a chicken,
Speaker 5: here's a veggie, here's you know, it's just very just
Speaker 5: basic protein, fiber veggie.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So it's microwave stuff. So it's not like fancy or anything.
Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Have to admit something to you.
Speaker 4: I for the last well, I'm not gonna admit, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna brag for the last six weeks, I have chosen
Speaker 4: to do nothing but meal plans. I still go out
Speaker 4: to eat, like we'll want it's a week for a
Speaker 4: little treat. But my lunches are a smoothie service that
Speaker 4: are sent to my door and they're frozen. And my
Speaker 4: dinners are a dinner service that are pre portioned. That
Speaker 4: is my my fallout is portioning because I if I cook,
Speaker 4: I end up eating two to three portions right, yes,
Speaker 4: with these and they are pre cooked, but I heat
Speaker 4: them up in a skillet or whatever.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, you can make you do oven, you can
Speaker 2: do skial with that.
Speaker 3: I don't overeat and I've I've lost six pounds.
Speaker 5: Congress and all pound six weeks. And also it's just
Speaker 5: such an easier like you know, we're busy people, and
Speaker 5: it's just so easy.
Speaker 3: To be all hollow night hours.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is not an ad or anything, but I
Speaker 5: am curious. You should discord me or tell me, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm not ashamed of it. Yeah, I've been doing
Speaker 3: a factor. I've been doing Factor.
Speaker 2: Factor is good. I've done a lot of because it
Speaker 2: because it's.
Speaker 4: It's uh, it has the calorie conscious ones, and so
Speaker 4: I just keep everything around five hundred ish or less
Speaker 4: if I do that. Plus, the smoothies are daily harvest,
Speaker 4: which are like two hundred to three hundred calories. I mean,
Speaker 4: like my basically my meals are less than a thousand,
Speaker 4: which gives me lots of room for snacks and drinking,
Speaker 4: which is important to me.
Speaker 3: So I found a way. I found a way to
Speaker 3: figure it out. Or like if I eat these meals
Speaker 3: under like these calories, then I can have three drinks
Speaker 3: and a snack.
Speaker 5: I think we have the exact same things we're looking
Speaker 5: for with this stuff, and like yeahy and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: There are numerous different ones, and you know, like factor
Speaker 5: coc unity of like both those a lot. I'm doing
Speaker 5: a new one now called clean Eats that's really good.
Speaker 5: And yeah, so it's like I've looked into daily harvest,
Speaker 5: Like I'm just very into that hole. Just like make
Speaker 5: this easy for me, but also make it not terrible
Speaker 5: for me health wise.
Speaker 4: So sometimes it's sad, but most of the time, I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is convenient. I can game, I heat up my food,
Speaker 4: and I eat it and it becomes more like fuel.
Speaker 3: It's not something I.
Speaker 2: Realized on to see it. It's sad.
Speaker 5: Really, it's just like, you know, if this leads to
Speaker 5: better quality life and better health stuff and everything like.
Speaker 3: That, that's been my experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a physical like last week and like shocking,
Speaker 5: my fucking cholesterol is super high. So it's like you
Speaker 5: need to really, you know, get that stuff in.
Speaker 4: Well, what do you have to cut out? If you're
Speaker 4: already doing all this stuff, what else do you cut now?
Speaker 4: I mean, I do just candy give your cholesterol.
Speaker 5: I don't need a lot of candy right now unless
Speaker 5: something like around it. I just don't have candy in
Speaker 5: the house. But like I have fast food and plenty,
Speaker 5: you know, at least once a week. I would say,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm I socialize a lot too, so it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm out at this thing. And we're going to go
Speaker 5: to this bar pub place before the wrestling show, and
Speaker 5: I'm going to get We're gonna get a bunch of
Speaker 5: appetizers and s like that type of stuff. And I drink,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe three nights a week or so. So
Speaker 5: it's like that all adds up quite a bit. So
Speaker 5: having the food thing be like a constant and I
Speaker 5: respect it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want I don't want to just throw
Speaker 3: a little meal to heat.
Speaker 4: And then my rule, I don't know if you follow this,
Speaker 4: Like my rule is, I don't eat it out of
Speaker 4: like the plastic bin they send it in, because I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's a TV dinner. I put it on a I
Speaker 4: put it on a plate, and I eat it at
Speaker 4: a table like a person.
Speaker 5: No, no, yeah, put in a dishwasher. It's a hole
Speaker 5: to do, you gotta, sir. I just folded together like
Speaker 5: a paper plate and just pour it into my gullet
Speaker 5: and swallow it like a duck. Yeah yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 5: doughnuts and hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah great.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so convenient. Now I can go back to gaming,
Speaker 3: he says.
Speaker 5: Honestly, like food, sometimes it's just like this is taking
Speaker 5: too long. I just need to, like get through this
Speaker 5: rotary beats the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like like five hundred thous.
Speaker 1: Collect literally, Like.
Speaker 5: I will frequently have like fifteen minutes between a show
Speaker 5: going off the air and uh like having to go
Speaker 5: into a meeting, and so I have these like little
Speaker 5: peanut butter packets and awesome, I'm just like scarfing down
Speaker 5: peanut butter packets.
Speaker 1: I don't even do that, but Justin's are delicious. The dark.
Speaker 1: Have you had the peanut butter cups? Yeah? Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are the dark chop. Awesome.
Speaker 5: It's like two hundred calories. It gives you enough to
Speaker 5: just gonna keep you awake for the next thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I agree. I am the same, especially on like live
Speaker 3: streaming days, where like I have to live stream as
Speaker 3: a part of my job.
Speaker 4: I'm like, when am I supposed to eat? We usually
Speaker 4: stream at noon, I am. I will go downstairs and
Speaker 4: make a bowl of cereal and I will eat cereals
Speaker 4: like whatever I can fucking scrounge up. It's usually sad,
Speaker 4: but it's like I have to eat something or my
Speaker 4: blood sugar will be too low.
Speaker 5: Yeah, these are like I'm sure these don't sound like
Speaker 5: major like complaints or anything. And I understand that, but
Speaker 5: it's like you do have to think about it where
Speaker 5: it's like on a BombCast day my time, we will
Speaker 5: get into a call at like ten forty five am,
Speaker 5: so you know, I'll wake up at like seven, have
Speaker 5: a little breakfast. Okay, but Dow podcasts, so we got to,
Speaker 5: you know, have like a little something that like you know,
Speaker 5: ten ten thirty totally can we do a three hour podcast?
Speaker 5: And then it'll be like two o'clock and there's like
Speaker 5: a meeting that starts at like thirty or something, not
Speaker 5: really enough time to like have an actual meal. So lunch, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: like it goes straight through lunch and like several hours
Speaker 5: on both ends, and it's like when the fuck am
Speaker 5: I gonna eat?
Speaker 3: Like I usually work through lunch.
Speaker 4: I agree, That's why I actually like the smoothies. So again,
Speaker 4: no promo, just like saying like the smoothies are a
Speaker 4: convenient way because I can eat them while I type,
Speaker 4: and I can also eat them while I walk my dog.
Speaker 4: And I love that shit because I walk every day too,
Speaker 4: but I walk with my dog at noon when you know,
Speaker 4: as as long as I'm not live streaming and So
Speaker 4: what I do is I make a smoothie and then
Speaker 4: I walk my dog with my smoothie. And that's a
Speaker 4: really nice system for me. It's really it works really well,
Speaker 4: and I'm really happy with with that. I used to
Speaker 4: make salads and I was like rushing my dog, like,
Speaker 4: you know, around one block because I was like, I
Speaker 4: gotta cut all these fucking tomatoes.
Speaker 3: I don't live like that anymore. I'm happier with my
Speaker 3: smoothie sys.
Speaker 5: So I also don't ever want to eat on camera.
Speaker 5: Really well, I guess I do it when I'm doing
Speaker 5: like personal streams like Giant Bomb.
Speaker 2: I love when people lunch.
Speaker 3: When I we would play Resident Evil and I would
Speaker 3: come come in with hummus and carrots.
Speaker 1: I love when that dude chased me with a chainsaw.
Speaker 1: And I also hear Mary's mouth noises. It's the best.
Speaker 3: Maybe your running person is me eating food running at you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Maybe you're right, Mike, it's time to
Speaker 1: record fucking call me brick and kill me right now.
Speaker 1: It would be the worst thing. Ever, how do we
Speaker 1: get on prepared food? I lost and Dan's definitely the
Speaker 1: Dan is definitely the next person.
Speaker 4: Get Dan's going to be the next person to be
Speaker 4: injured because you're already injured. I actually don't get injured
Speaker 4: very often. I just don't do dangerous sh it anymore.
Speaker 2: I do have a scooter either.
Speaker 1: Dan doesn't either. We filled his bat up with mac
Speaker 1: and cheese and it's just happening.
Speaker 3: Nothing. Self injured all the time. Mike. Between the two
Speaker 3: of us, we're both pretty safe.
Speaker 4: But I think it's possible that I could get murked
Speaker 4: yelling at someone in a bar, so I would say
Speaker 4: Dan than me.
Speaker 1: Then you agreed. I think I'm safe. Okay, knock on?
Speaker 3: Would if Mike's the first to die, that's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: It's going to be an explosion. I always say that
Speaker 1: would be like a snake eater boss, You're gonna yell
Speaker 1: your name and explode. That'd be fucking sick sick uh
Speaker 1: last one self indulgent. This is from Michael and Buffalo Mike.
Speaker 1: I've read a bunch of your book reck one hundred
Speaker 1: Years Solitude Visit from the goon Squad. In the distance,
Speaker 1: they've all hit Kee, the Rex coming uh City and
Speaker 1: the city by China Mayville I or Keina Mayville. I
Speaker 1: hear people say differently all the Time. Incredible book. Uh
Speaker 1: and then I guess if you like magical realism, I'd
Speaker 1: say go for City of Bohan bo H a n
Speaker 1: E by Kevin Berry, Irish writer. I guess rounded out
Speaker 1: with an even three wind up Bird Chronicle by Harouki
Speaker 1: morriccount No no, no, no no. Actually, let's let's say
Speaker 1: swamp Landia by Karen Russell. Also really really good book.
Speaker 1: That's that kind of vibes with those ones. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you everybody who wrote in. Again, that's firescape cast at gmail.
Speaker 3: He asks me for my smut recommendations anymore.
Speaker 1: Fantasy fantasy, Fucker's Dwarf.
Speaker 2: Dix or Big, the.
Speaker 3: Conch in the Big Hole.
Speaker 1: The Big Hole, and the class quest for the clip,
Speaker 1: the mythical clip.
Speaker 3: It's about a wrestler.
Speaker 1: Crunch must take the ring to the g spot, which
Speaker 1: might not exist in the fabled land of female orgasms.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody. That's Firescape cast at gmail dot com. Please
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Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. It's on our Patreon. You can
Speaker 1: find it we like I mentioned, if you're in the
Speaker 1: New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Jersey, or just are gonna be
Speaker 1: in the area. Later in October Pennsylvan October twentieth, I'm
Speaker 1: helping organize a Smash pros tournament, thirty two person tournament.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a buy in. The ticket's also going
Speaker 1: to get you a drink, and then they're gonna have
Speaker 1: some et C We're gonna have some other wines on
Speaker 1: the glass list, but then the top three players are
Speaker 1: gonna get some really cool prizes from the seller. So
Speaker 1: I'll post the specific details there once we get things solidified.
Speaker 1: But that's basically we're almost there, so that's why I'm
Speaker 1: talking about now. We are gonna keep talking about the
Speaker 1: dates for our Game of the Year stream. We have
Speaker 1: a tentative one behind the scenes, but we're not technically
Speaker 1: ready to announce it yet. I'm sure that'll come soon though,
Speaker 1: once we solidify things with potential travel and whatnot. It'll
Speaker 1: be in Minneapolis. That'll be the usual Saturday night live
Speaker 1: stream on I think on Dan's Twitch channel. We'll talk
Speaker 1: more about that in the coming episodes. Dan, what do
Speaker 1: you have going on in the meantime before next episode?
Speaker 2: Gime bomb dot com.
Speaker 5: I think I am next up on Blake Clubs, So
Speaker 5: as soon as Mike finishes up his game, I have
Speaker 5: to play whatever the fuck they're send me, so that
Speaker 5: should be on Wednesdays going forward. But yeah, check out
Speaker 5: time bomb dot com or our YouTube channels and all
Speaker 5: that good stuff.
Speaker 1: What is Mike playing for black Club right now? Speaking?
Speaker 5: Virtual hide Light for the Sega Saturn, which does not
Speaker 5: look like a game for me at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, hmm, Mary, what do you have going on?
Speaker 4: I will be streaming one more time, but I do
Speaker 4: leave for Tokyo Game Show, So.
Speaker 3: These two boys will be taking over in the next episode.
Speaker 3: Who knows who will be on. It could be anyone
Speaker 3: because I will be.
Speaker 5: I want to talk about Yota. I want to talk
Speaker 5: about Yota for sure. Next episode.
Speaker 3: Well, you got to get someone on who loves the Yota.
Speaker 1: Yep, we both will be talking about next episode. Jake's
Speaker 1: coming to my neck of the woods in a few days.
Speaker 1: That'll be fun.
Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Mike, Thank you.
Speaker 1: How old how old do you think I am?
Speaker 2: Twenty four, thirty six.
Speaker 1: Mary's closer.
Speaker 2: I'm actual answer, maybe thirty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your final answer.
Speaker 2: I almost hit thirty two, probably thirty thirty four, thirty four.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're a baby, okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean I don't think thirty four makes
Speaker 1: me a baby. I started, I'd like, I, what are
Speaker 1: you going to turn?
Speaker 3: Like twelve?
Speaker 1: I try not to complain, but I think, like I
Speaker 1: hit thirty three and I actually started feeling some aging
Speaker 1: and I was reading. I was reading an article like
Speaker 1: apparently malebodies specifically do most of their aging when you
Speaker 1: hit thirty two thirty three, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it happens a lot at once, and I'm feeling it.
Speaker 2: I know it's a cliche, but it's like, yeah, there's
Speaker 2: the reason.
Speaker 5: I'm just like surrounded by constantly fiddling with things to
Speaker 5: fucking make everything feel better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to no avail.
Speaker 1: Really there is like I'm looking forward to the endless
Speaker 1: battle of attrition that leads to nothing.
Speaker 4: Everybody's different, Yeah, mine was like around thirty five. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my, my metabolism is different. I cannot
Speaker 4: eat cheese fries, the way I used to.
Speaker 3: I just can't anymore.
Speaker 5: Drinking, eating, drinking, all of that stuff is becomes a
Speaker 5: lot different, which is.
Speaker 1: Why like getting into wine is nice because I think,
Speaker 1: like to truly enjoy it the way I want to.
Speaker 1: It does just kind of by definition, encourage moderation. But
Speaker 1: like on those rare occasions when I'm not moderating that
Speaker 1: next day and or and change, my body is is
Speaker 1: not built like it was when I was twenty two,
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 2: Probably don't worry, it gets better, don't worry.
Speaker 1: Great, I can't wear over yea wait, I'll be spin
Speaker 1: it on that pole before you know it.
Speaker 3: Get older.
Speaker 5: It is fun though, like because all your friends are
Speaker 5: getting older too, so it's like everyone's just kind of
Speaker 5: like you can all talk about it. Yeah, joining the
Speaker 5: club slowly, yeah yeah, and then we're all just gonna
Speaker 5: it's gonna get worse until we die.
Speaker 1: And then I'll be on the pole at the fuck
Speaker 1: fuck club. My favorite chef.
Speaker 2: That's what we're having our meetup.
Speaker 3: Helly, Yeah, here he comes. What was my poll guy name?
Speaker 1: Brick Tension, Gronk mccallahan, Oh, Fatty Chubb Chub or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's something about a dick and chubb. I
Speaker 2: guess fat slim cock, slimcock.
Speaker 3: It's a terrible and all the women are like, do
Speaker 3: even notice what's down there?
Speaker 1: Single fucking big boy with a pencil dick mean anything?
Speaker 2: Somebody's into it?
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, more
Speaker 1: power to them. Why did someone write fine Time, way
Speaker 1: way way at the bottom of our Masters show run
Speaker 1: of show no idea where that could possibly be fine time?
Speaker 3: This is when we were coming up with wine magazin
Speaker 3: seen names. Oh I remember that podcast names Wine Time.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's gross. All right, Well, thank you boy for
Speaker 1: joining us. That was episode sixty seven. We're looking forward
Speaker 1: to June. It's gonna be here. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: good summer this summer, so we'll see you the next episode.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Bye bye,