WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:10.000 Guess what this is? 2 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:12.279 Sure pissed? 3 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:17.879 No, No, Mary is closer just because she guess a whine. 4 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:20.359 No, it depends on the brand. Let's be real. 5 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:23.879 It's Oregon Pino noir. 6 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:25.719 Those my second guess. 7 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:34.280 Yes, all right, what hell? Then Billy crapping in. It 8 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:39.759 is Monday, May fifth, sixteenth. I'm your host, as always, 9 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.640 Mike Maharty here with episode two hundred and sixteen, seventy sixteenth, 10 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:48.960 And that's Dan Reikert jumping in for as Q. As always, 11 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.320 that's Mary Mary. I said it's episode two hundred and 12 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:53.880 sixty seven. 13 00:00:55.200 --> 00:01:01.200 I think May sixteenth, and Mary, kesh, this is all inaccurate. 14 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:02.280 No, it's not. 15 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:07.040 You know, we are in the age of misinformation and 16 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:08.400 you are killing it. 17 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:10.840 Thank you. What are you guys up to? What are 18 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.719 you doing here? I'm kind of busy. What do you want? 19 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:15.239 It's my favorite bit to do with Mary. When we 20 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.239 were doing Knevila, She's like she'd start recording and be like, 21 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:22.000 what do you want? I'm busy. That's my favorite. Every 22 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.439 time we finished the resume before remake. Finally, because Mary 23 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:26.959 was fucking dragging her feet for a year. 24 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:28.640 It's very good. 25 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:29.799 I just had the Bully. 26 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.519 I still maintain that both RESUMEEL four and resume before remake. 27 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.079 The last third of both of those games is not good. 28 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.159 It's a bit of a slog, isn't it. Like I 29 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:41.799 just kind of was like some grads finished. I was like, 30 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.640 let's go, like, let's finish it, whereas like the first 31 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:48.319 third of that game you don't want it to ever end. 32 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.599 I was like, this is awesome. I'm loving it. 33 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:53.079 Castle are Grade. 34 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:55.120 Yeah, I read like that was the era when it's 35 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:57.359 like when I was buying games where it's like anytime 36 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.200 it was longer, it always equaled good to me because 37 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.040 it's like I'm getting more for my money, and so 38 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:04.319 like when the Castle ended and then it's like, wait, 39 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.319 are we going to this whole island? There's gonna be 40 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.319 a whole other thing, I was like fuck yes. And 41 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.639 like as I got older and also started getting games 42 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.800 for free that probably helped me too. Then it was 43 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.919 just like, oh, okay, longer doesn't always equal better, yea 44 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:21.199 necessarily and yeah that could have ended after the Castle 45 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:22.280 and been okay. 46 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.240 It was fun. I still like the key. 47 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:31.599 There's there's gotta be there's got to be a secret 48 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.599 underground laboratory. It's resident evil, So I'm fine with that happening. 49 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.759 It's the fact that you like, the zombies are this 50 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:42.199 like fully armed militia with like garage doors that are 51 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.199 on a timer that does this for some reason in. 52 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.520 Search lights and it's just this laser commando or something 53 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:51.120 which normally which is no problem with but it's. 54 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.560 In and of itself. But yeah, but the village. 55 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.120 And Castle were so like, I feel like there's diminishing. 56 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.360 If there's three acts there, Village, Castle, Island, I think 57 00:02:58.400 --> 00:02:59.759 it is slightly diminishing. 58 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.039 We're earns each time, even though I like all of it, 59 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:02.439 you know. 60 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.080 And I think Resume before Remake did a really good 61 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.479 job with the Castle, especially especially the metroidvany aspects of 62 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.680 the puzzles that you're going back to underground, like the 63 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:14.599 night you have to kill that one night to get 64 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.280 the weapon up grade or whatever it is, or you 65 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.439 get that the merchant gives you the blue note to 66 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:24.319 go kill him. That stuffs great. And then also what 67 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:28.599 the ways that they changed the blind wolverine dude fight 68 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:30.319 with the bells. I think they did a good job 69 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:32.439 and remake with that. I like what they did with 70 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:36.439 the lake but man, we're finally done. Mary kind of 71 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.280 finally sacked up and fucking finished it. 72 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:43.520 I really I've been I've been bad, bad girl, but 73 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.319 I was like, let's do this, let's finally do this, 74 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.240 and I I'm proud of myself for finishing another Resident 75 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.000 Evil game. I mean, we're like past ten of these 76 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.479 games now, like we've done. 77 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.759 Twelve, past ten, we count doesn't more than that. I 78 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.439 think we're I think before we make was season six. 79 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.520 King Senia sixteen sixteen, all. 80 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:10.800 Right, sixteen, your's worth a lot for eleven twelve? Yeah 81 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.280 that was thirteen thirteen. 82 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.680 Yeah yeah, man, Jack. 83 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:22.079 Like discussing game amounts in birthday sacraments. 84 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:26.920 Yeah yeah, Like Mario is just an actual middle aged man. 85 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:32.240 Now, yeah, legal what we say? Yeah yeah, or it's 86 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:33.839 maybe what they said in the nineties. I don't know 87 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.800 if it's okay to say that anymore, Like that's kind 88 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:41.439 of fucked up upon reflection, Mario's. 89 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:43.600 Legal Wait wait, I don't. 90 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:44.519 Think he had a mustard. 91 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.639 You're talking about a six year old. I'm saying even 92 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:52.000 legal for thirty eight. 93 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:56.399 Uh eight numbers and we're like, oh, King seniora sweet 94 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:58.920 sixteen eighteen is just was like legal. 95 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.480 I was growing that was like, it's still for it, 96 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.040 but is he not legal? 97 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:09.560 World as a plumber with a mustache? Mario is a 98 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.439 man now like baby Mario is a different situation that 99 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.279 is a baby born. 100 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.160 Were they not? Are you saying they came out of 101 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:17.600 the womb? 102 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.480 Like, so there's no evidence of Mario between baby and 103 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:22.160 plumber man. 104 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:27.040 But I think it's just different universes like Marvel where 105 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.480 it's like, oh, this is a different timeline where yeah, 106 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.519 where Mario is a baby, that's what he actually used 107 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.240 to look like when he was not legal. 108 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:37.079 I've never thought it was something he looks like Mario. 109 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:39.839 Do you know this joke. 110 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:43.480 I'm going to let you play it out. 111 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.920 Watched joke when. 112 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.360 I was growing up. People used to say that all 113 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:49.800 the time, and I was like, that's really fucked up. 114 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:52.360 Now look at me. 115 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.399 You're gonna get us pulled off the air. Okay, here's 116 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:56.680 the I. 117 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.800 They showed the new Mario Tennis thing in the direct 118 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:03.040 and there's a baby law Jesus Christ, Mariady drunk baby 119 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:07.600 Wallawigi and I was like, fuck yeah, which like in 120 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:12.639 in Mario lore, everyone's got a baby thing. There's baby Rosalina, Baby, Peach, baby, everything, 121 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:15.160 but there's nothing between baby an adult. 122 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.879 If they announced any kind. 123 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.120 Of official Mario project, whether it's a fucking cartoon or 124 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:23.759 a movie or a game, and there was like a 125 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:27.360 sixteen year old Mario, I would hate it so much, 126 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.480 just like you know, I'm a kid, I'm kid Mario, Like, 127 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.120 I would fucking hate that guy, Mario. 128 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:34.240 Broccoli hair and. 129 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.199 Mario influencer marios O. 130 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.879 God, they have baggy jeans, Jenko's. 131 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:45.639 Straight edge. 132 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:49.920 I would take. I would take drunk Mario like Mario 133 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:51.160 just has a bad turn. 134 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.720 And no at that age, it's just like they're scraping 135 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.079 cigarettes off the ground and you know, asking you to 136 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:00.439 buy them beer. 137 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:05.439 Can you say tween Walluigi three times. 138 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:09.759 Fast between Wallowigi, tween wallow tween wall Owigi. Okay, yeah, yeah, 139 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:10.959 I'm in practicing, you know. 140 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.439 Susions work for me like a shithead high school age. 141 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:26.519 Spell it really quickly, you're yeah, what's your desktop image? Pervert? 142 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:28.720 Look, I brought this up. 143 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.360 On the BombCast and this is fucking insane to me, 144 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.800 which and it's not nothing wrong with this whatever people 145 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:34.160 are into. 146 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.240 But we'll get to the Holi Night discussion. 147 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.560 Later, but I have frequently while playing this game, searched 148 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.720 the Blue Sky for like, you know, I like the 149 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.079 Trobio boss fight I was having trouble with, and so 150 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:46.879 I was like, is. 151 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:47.319 It just true? 152 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:48.839 I just need to see I need to see if 153 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:50.360 people are having problems with it. And I just searched 154 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:52.879 the word Trobio and I go by latest to see 155 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:57.920 what what people are saying. Every fucking other thing is 156 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:01.279 just like here's my drawing of three Robio jacking off 157 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.560 with his giant cock, or here's Hornet fucking sucking off Trobio, 158 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:10.000 or here's I Today. I started Act three and I 159 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.279 literally just typed in the phrase act three because I 160 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:15.399 was like, man, this gut really hard, really quick, just 161 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:16.399 to see what people were saying. 162 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:19.439 And it was like dah, here's fucking DP Hornet with 163 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:24.319 fucking last judge or whatever. What Yeah, yes, people are 164 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:25.199 fucking horny. 165 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:27.959 Oh yeah, like all the time. 166 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:31.439 William hollow Night would be the thing, though, Like I know, 167 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.639 people get very horny about video game paracters and stuff. 168 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.240 We've discussed that, but like, yeah, I expected the cartoon 169 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.559 Bug game to be that, you know, yeah, yeah, I 170 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.600 wonder if there's more of it with soak song or 171 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.600 I'm just saying it because I'm searching for soaksong terms 172 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.879 like the cross terms. Would it be like, oh, look 173 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:54.200 at this cross puzzled fucking bukacky? 174 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.440 Did you see did you see the Pickman three ship? But? 175 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.120 Did you see the Pickman three ship? It? 176 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.080 I'm gonna I'm gonna say you said, I know, I know, 177 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.360 I know you're made of that, But just I'm gonna 178 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:08.840 see if I can just type in something. 179 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:13.480 As a pin in the Blue Sky go by Latest and. 180 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.159 Blue Sky just like overwhelmed with porn right now? 181 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.159 I think so when I think it's a lot of 182 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.159 like video game art porn and stuff. Yeah, it's it's 183 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.960 not as filthy as the Hollid Night stuff. Maybe that's 184 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:28.159 just like, but there is just some kind of like 185 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:29.960 corny ish drawings of Pickman here. 186 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.519 There's a lot of lowest from family guy porn out 187 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.200 there too. You ever notice that I've heard that. 188 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.399 See the market for her. I just don't understand. 189 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:42.799 I heard people have told me yeah, okay. 190 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.799 Friend lunch a friend, name. 191 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:54.120 My heart and said, so I will say Pickman does 192 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.399 seem to buck the trend here. I'm not saying a 193 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.039 lot of good, a thing of warriors ass and and 194 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.919 it says, what's the aroma of the day. 195 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:05.320 You're on a weird blue sky? 196 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.080 Yeah, I don't know. It's uh. 197 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.360 I feel like we maybe maybe it's just societal or 198 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.039 maybe we're just like at that part of the internet 199 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:17.559 where like you can't google something without it being disgusting. 200 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:19.879 But like my friend the other day was like, oh, 201 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.080 when was the last time you watched Shrek? And I 202 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.240 like googled Shrek and I just saw Shrek's like it 203 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.600 was a meme of like Shrek's butt and he just 204 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.799 was turning around and going get at a mass swamp. 205 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:32.120 Yeah, and it's. 206 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.320 Funny, but I was like, I didn't want to see 207 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:34.919 your butt. 208 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:35.720 That's hard. 209 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:37.759 Thing was trying to figure out like what percentage of 210 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.679 it is ironic and what percentage is like actually, like 211 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:41.759 I'm waking off right now. 212 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.279 You know, hear me Out is like a very popular 213 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:44.879 trend right now? 214 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:46.720 Do you know what that is? Dan? Yeah, yeah, we 215 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:47.039 did this. 216 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:49.679 Oh yeah, we hear me Out? 217 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.480 Yeah, yeah, we did episodes. 218 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:55.320 I bet tween Waluigi would be on Dan's No. 219 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:57.639 Look, I love Wallaig, but I can't say I have 220 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:01.399 any interest in seeing any form of extual huaalauji, no, 221 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.480 thank you, No, I. 222 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:08.559 Would struggle with any of this. I understand that it's like, 223 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.960 uh yeah, maybe it's like a part of our culture. 224 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:15.159 But is nothing sacred anymore? Is Tetris clean? 225 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.720 No way, those straight those straight lines, you can't look 226 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.879 like that going into a whole perfectly formed for it. 227 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.000 You can guarantee there's Tetris porn. 228 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:32.200 There's absolutely Tetris porn. Real sex is basically Tetris and 229 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:33.559 Twister combined. 230 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:38.159 So the Bible described it. 231 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.120 Yeah, yeah, did you see her shape? 232 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:44.559 I mean, come on, yeah bye. Exodus twenty three, twenty three, 233 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:49.200 verses sixteen fourteen, when a man gets left hand yellow 234 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:53.360 and the woman gets right foot red. Only then shall 235 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.080 a vision of God come into the bedroom. 236 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:58.799 Yeah, Twister is still a thing. I feel like Twister 237 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:00.759 was such as in our childhood. 238 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.399 My niece Enhew's played it every once in a while. Okay, okay, 239 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:05.240 I don't think it is. 240 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.320 I think it was like a classic game. I wonder 241 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.000 if they play candy Land anymore. 242 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:12.120 That game does just suck. 243 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:17.559 It really does, like there's just nothing, like you're just reskinned. 244 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:19.240 Yeah, what about mouse trap. 245 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.240 I like, oh, it's a mouse trap. 246 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.240 The actual game sucks ass like the actual like I 247 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:25.679 never Actually it's like, oh, you have to get like, 248 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.120 you set it up, you do the thing, the green 249 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.559 guy backflips into the fucking tub, and then it's just 250 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:33.759 a great time for everyone. 251 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.159 That's how simple it was. 252 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.879 Back then, we watched that same fucking mouse trap thing 253 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.519 go through four billion times and we loved it, loved it. 254 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:48.039 Did you play Don't Like Daddy? Yes, that game was 255 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:49.720 an anxiety Remember the commercials. 256 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:51.279 I remember the commercials. 257 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.279 And Daddy and you get you roll it. I think, 258 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:57.720 like I'm probably butchering some of it. But you roll 259 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.000 a dice or you roll a die and it tells 260 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.000 you how many times you basically press this thing button 261 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.039 on his alarm clock and it's like a jack in 262 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.120 the box. It randomly resets every time you put his 263 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:10.159 torso back down. It's like the gator tooth thing repressed 264 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:14.080 the gator. Yeah, that was terrifying and then like stressful too, Yeah, 265 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.679 terrif And then also, Don't Break the Ice was another game. 266 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:18.080 Don't Bring the Ice is awesome. 267 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.840 When you would uh, you would put speaking of tetris, 268 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:23.440 you would flip this platform upside down, Yeah, with the 269 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.399 hammer and then you'd fit them all in so like 270 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:26.480 it would be push. 271 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:27.320 Into the tile games. 272 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:28.600 Yeah, you like push stuff. 273 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:34.559 I think that feels good, is great. 274 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:36.840 I think one that has the surprise element and the 275 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:39.360 tactile element is Perfection. Do you remember that where you 276 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:40.960 had to take the yellow pieces and you put it 277 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:47.279 at for Operation Opera, your hands going. 278 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.799 Oh my god, you could kill that guy so easily. 279 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.240 Did it just buzz or did it shock? 280 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:52.399 You? 281 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.879 Just buzz and mind vibrated? 282 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:55.639 Yeah? 283 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:58.960 The worst child though, right, I think? 284 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:08.200 Is it like to a near lethal vibrated trust me? No, 285 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.679 but it was the Yeah, Perfection messed with me too. 286 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:18.759 But the yeah, don't wake Daddy always causings. 287 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:20.600 Get caught up in the crossfire. 288 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.519 The idea of Crossfire was always better than the game though. 289 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:24.120 Yeah. 290 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:28.039 That had a sick trailer though, like incredible, kids were 291 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.159 like really excited and the Paul landscape. 292 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:31.879 Yeah it was great. 293 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.080 Yeah, that's old, that's old old. 294 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:42.480 I do appreciate Jenga's like resurgence as this beer Garden 295 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:44.799 Brewery game, the Giant. 296 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:45.879 One Giant Jenga. 297 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.000 Yeah, the drink like in college, if we did the 298 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.279 drinking game one where everything has something in the sharpie 299 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.879 written on it. Chug a beer, you gotta you can 300 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:54.200 give out to drinks you can? 301 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:55.000 You know that stuff. 302 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:59.279 Yeah, I think I just want to stop talking about 303 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:03.000 video games for good and go play games. 304 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.240 Yeah, yeah, to change the podcast a lot. 305 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.039 There's a lot of good games. 306 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:10.600 There are a lot of good games. We're gonna have 307 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.519 quite a few to talk about tonight and next episode 308 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.919 within Bargoes Lifting, I think we're all playing something that 309 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.159 we can't talk about right now, but looking forward to that. 310 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.759 But we have plenty to talk about before that. Any Oh, 311 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.279 I forgot to mention I should have mentioned this at 312 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:27.600 the very top of the episode. In fact, I might 313 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:30.080 actually apologies if I'm repeating myself and I've re recorded 314 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:31.399 it to put it at the top, because I should have. 315 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.360 If you find yourself in the Venn diagram overlap of 316 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.320 people who like wine and video games, and you're in 317 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:42.799 the Tri State area or Pennsylvania, or you can be 318 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:47.080 in New York in like let's tentatively say October twentieth, 319 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.360 which is a Monday, which I realize is tough. The 320 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.799 wine bar I help out at we're doing a fighting 321 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:57.000 game tournament and we've got three prizes that are we're 322 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.879 lining up, so put it on your calendar. What game 323 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:06.039 smash Bros. When we're Yeah, so I'm torn. We're we're 324 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:09.639 deciding on that between Melee and Ultimate. We're gonna do Melee. 325 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.720 We're gonna do like three stock rules, no items, one 326 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:16.240 on one. But basically it's gonna be a tournament. We're 327 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:20.159 aiming for thirty two people. Doesn't mean if you're if 328 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:21.600 you're not in the tournament, you could still come hang 329 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.399 out the wine bar. Gonna set up one TV for 330 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.879 the tournament itself, another TV for just like warming up 331 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:29.960 or hanging out practicing or like you know, to show 332 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:31.519 the scoreboard the once you get into the final four 333 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.480 and whatnot. Gonna bring a bunch of different controller options. 334 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.600 First prize is gonna be ah, we're aiming to make it. 335 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:43.840 Actually I shouldn't get into the prizes yet, but there 336 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.039 will be some really cool prizes. Whether you're super into 337 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:49.080 wine or not. They will be wine related obviously, but uh, 338 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.000 it'll be a fun time. It's the bar I help 339 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:52.639 out at, so if you're in the area, could be 340 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.919 a good opportunity come hang out. Kind of a meet up. 341 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:01.879 I'll be there. That's one of us three, Yeah, come 342 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:02.840 hang out. Yeah. 343 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:04.680 I love the concept of a meetup is just if 344 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:06.599 you run into one of us in the streets. 345 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:07.519 Ah. 346 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:12.880 The virus Scape meetup is so successful. Again, this is 347 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:14.079 what happened to these gripes. 348 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:15.079 Now they're alcoholic. 349 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:15.880 Check it out. 350 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:18.759 Is this your character when you are the wine guy? 351 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:22.640 Yeah? People hate like people hate it when I welcome 352 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.400 them to the bar with that halcome. 353 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:27.960 This response, but sit around, come trick it. 354 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.279 Yeah. So put October twentieth in your calendars and then 355 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.160 we'll put it on I haven't asked Dana Mary about this, 356 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.759 but I'm gonna put it on Patreon and then we'll 357 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:38.160 promote it. 358 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:40.319 We're gonna have to huddle about it and. 359 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:42.720 Yeah, sign some paperwork. 360 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:44.920 Yeaheah took the business rules. 361 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.519 If you're listening to this, Jake is coming to town 362 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.160 a couple of days to hang out here, our producer, 363 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.480 Jake Decker. He's coming for my B day, My day. 364 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.039 He's gonna be having to meet up. He's in a hotel, 365 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.480 So just go say hi to Jack in the hotel seven. 366 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.400 Yeah. The holiday on holiday and on the lower east 367 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:04.759 Side just. 368 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:06.680 Seven the Haunted Shining Room. 369 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:15.200 Yeah that's what. Yeah, Decker requests that everything puts her 370 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:16.599 in the tub and says stir. 371 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.319 Yeah, he brings like a Porky's meads shining situation. 372 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.160 Yeah, well we love him dearly though. 373 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.599 Yeah, he'll be there. Go say hi to him. But yeah, 374 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:31.319 I know he's visiting. 375 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:32.440 That's cool. 376 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.720 It's nice when your friend does Visit feels good. Speaking 377 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:38.359 of I mean, like, we're gonna all be visiting each 378 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.519 other pretty soon in like a couple not. 379 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:41.680 That far away. 380 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:46.079 It's yeah, some dates and stuff, not quite ready to 381 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.680 announce yet, but uh, you know, we're doing our usual 382 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.279 game of the year business doing Minnesota and that's gonna 383 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:52.519 be great. 384 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:52.799 This year. 385 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:54.839 I was talking to Mike when I first hopped on 386 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.160 this call about this year is going to be insane 387 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.160 as far as the top ten, Like, yeah, there's as 388 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.400 a lot of sleeper stuff that like you know, they it. 389 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:05.799 It's not necessarily the huge titles that you would expect 390 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:09.079 that are that came out of nowhere and are just like, oh, 391 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:10.920 these are like some of the best games I've ever played. 392 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.039 It's it's awesome. Like every I looked at my top 393 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:17.000 ten right now, and every one of them is just 394 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:17.799 a killer. 395 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:20.039 You know. Yeah, last month or two for me has 396 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:25.079 started to get tough or not tough, to get really fun, 397 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.839 but then has caused me to, you know, see Game 398 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:29.799 of the Year as this tough thing to rank, because 399 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:31.839 early on in the year I was like, oh, this 400 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.319 is fun, this is great. Oh that game is amazing. 401 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:36.720 That will definitely be I can't see anything surpassing that. Now, 402 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.200 all of a sudden, I have like six games I'm 403 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:42.759 kind of playing simultaneously. Other games might be demanding all 404 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.039 my attention because I'm obsessed with them, but uh yeah, 405 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:48.440 it'll be it'll be interesting. 406 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.759 We'll be like the all quarter of this year was 407 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.319 a little dry, Like I don't remember having so many 408 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.920 games where I was like, these are big contendees, and 409 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.039 then all of a sudden, there's like six right now 410 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:03.440 that I'm trying to raise. 411 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:05.880 The Prince Blueprints was an early one. 412 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.839 Yeah question on that one, but like fairly dry. 413 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.039 Yeah, what else happened early this year? A lot of them, 414 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:16.279 like the Summer about I liked a Battle, Yeah, it 415 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:20.400 was great, Yeah, I got playing that. Spring of summer 416 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:22.200 is when it started to really pick up for sure, 417 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.359 but yes, we will get to games in a bit. Obviously, 418 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.160 Silk Song the big one, Uh, I've not talked to. 419 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.279 I'd have some very brief first impressions with the three 420 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:33.599 of us, we have not really got any pop We'll 421 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:33.759 do that. 422 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:36.079 Listen, this is the first time all three of us 423 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.279 are talking about that game as a group extensively. There's 424 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.039 definitely been one off d ms where I'm like, what 425 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.920 did you think of this specific thing, or did you 426 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.480 also hate this or did you also love this kind 427 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:47.839 of stuff? 428 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:51.359 Yeah, I literally don't even know if Mary like likes 429 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:52.640 it or anything. 430 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:55.359 I have no clue. 431 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:58.640 I haven't said anything about it yet, but like it's 432 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.279 hard to not we we're not going to get to 433 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:02.880 games just yet. But I just want to say, like, 434 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.559 usually this first half is like, what have you been 435 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.640 up to lately? And the truth is, this is what 436 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:08.799 I've been up to lately. 437 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:11.960 I took the day off of work and played Silk 438 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:13.640 Song for eleven hours. 439 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:15.039 That is what I did. 440 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.279 And when you ask me, like, in the last two weeks, 441 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.400 what was really memorable for you, It'd be like, oh, 442 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:22.720 pouring thirty five hours. 443 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:25.279 Into this game, that is what I have been doing. 444 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:30.400 When I am not working or like eating food, I 445 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.680 am usually playing this game or thinking about this game 446 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:34.920 all the time. 447 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:37.759 I guess if we're yeah, because we usually do just 448 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.440 talk about this is ketchup shit, this is flushit time. 449 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:41.920 There's one thing I think. 450 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.200 I did, which you know, Tuesdays is me and Bonx 451 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:46.119 movie night. So we did watch a movie. So did 452 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:48.400 one non holid night thing. In the last couple of weeks. 453 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:50.480 I saw Warfare. 454 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:54.480 Fuck. I was literally about to bring this up. 455 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:56.799 Oh, this is Days. I watched it last night, so 456 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:57.160 did I. 457 00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:58.160 This is Days. 458 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.279 That is an intense fucking movie. And like, I was 459 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:04.319 curious because Mike, I feel like your family. 460 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.960 Did, like maybe because we, like Hulu promote it to 461 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:08.519 put it front and center for both. 462 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.000 We watched it in a field Max. 463 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.680 Yeah, since it got we saw the trailer and we 464 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.000 heard just the concept of the movie and Alex Garland 465 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:18.559 being involved in everything. It's like everything just kind of like, oh, 466 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:21.440 this seems like us type of movie. And then I 467 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.240 was very curious when I watched it to Mike, hear 468 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:26.119 from you because family in the Iraq war and stuff 469 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.519 and that in that in Ramadi, that was in that era. 470 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.039 I made the mistake of watching that movie late at 471 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:33.400 night after a man had gone to bed and I 472 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:35.839 had had a few drinks and I read and I 473 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.559 know Alex garland story too. 474 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.759 So the yeah, so the idea of it is is 475 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:43.880 that this was me. 476 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.519 The director Alex Garland has a writing and directing credit 477 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:49.480 on it, along with I think the guy's name is 478 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.440 Rex something who was one of the soldiers that was 479 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.279 Ray maybe Ray Mendoza, let me look, yeah, I forget 480 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:00.440 the name. But so basically, actually in this incident and 481 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:04.799 AB Starland shared yeah, NABC shared writing and directing credits, 482 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.599 and like they basically recreated like it all kind of 483 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.519 takes place in It's like an hour and a half long. 484 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.079 It's in real time, which I'm a huge sucker for, 485 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:16.480 like that real time storytelling thing, and of just this 486 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:18.559 I don't want to like say exactly all the things 487 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.359 that happen. Basically, they're stationed in Iraq in this one 488 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.680 area and they're just kind of like hanging out making 489 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.240 sure that there's not you know, conflict popping up or whatever, 490 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.119 and then some shit goes down and then it's just 491 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.920 like real time what went down, and it was supposed 492 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.880 to be, like it was pitched at least as like 493 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:38.160 extremely accurate, like working with the soldiers that were there, 494 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:42.079 based solely on their testimony. There's no like created characters 495 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:43.640 or anything like that. It's just supposed to be like 496 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.319 we made a movie very specifically about this thing, like 497 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:46.960 Mike did. 498 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.680 Did it read to you as authentic? Yeah? 499 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:54.640 I wasn't there, but like, uh so, the I believe 500 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:57.079 the movie took The incident in the movie took place 501 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:02.640 in I think the shorthand aliciation is Ramadi, but the 502 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.799 town is called our Ramadi two months that this took 503 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:11.440 place two months after September two thousand and six, which 504 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.519 is you know, Felusha got a lot of the headlines. Felusha, 505 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:17.559 I think everybody is part of everybody's like kind of 506 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.440 vernacular now because of some fucked up shit that we 507 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:24.240 were doing and stuff that was happening there. It was 508 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.519 just like a one of the worst parts of Iraq. 509 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.759 And then Ramadi is actually where my brother was with 510 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:35.720 the Marines. He went twice to Ramadi. So I didn't 511 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.319 realize a lot of that. I knew what the movie 512 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:40.160 was generally about. I knew was Alex Carland and Who's 513 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.160 Navy seal worked with him to ensure authenticity and helped direct. 514 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:45.640 I knew the dude who played Luca from The Bear 515 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:47.920 was in it. I know the guy from Showgun was 516 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.799 in it. He was the sniper. I knew a bunch 517 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:52.640 of actors. When I'm like, all right, a man, what's bad. 518 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.279 It's ninety minutes. It'll be a tight ninety minutes. I'm 519 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.720 sure it'll go by quickly and not feel like an eternity. 520 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.799 Parts of it to me felt like the worst. But like, 521 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:03.680 so I end up watching this movie where I was like, 522 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:05.960 oh shit, so this is what it was like for 523 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.119 my brother when he was twenty five fucking years old. 524 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.440 So this happened a month and a half after my 525 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.200 brother was there, during some days when we basically were 526 00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:17.240 calling hotlines. So many marines were dying that my parents 527 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:21.160 were calling. They couldn't dispatch enough people to front doors 528 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.440 to say your son had died, So they were hotlines 529 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.759 set up to like check on whether your son or 530 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:31.359 in some cases your daughter was alive. Luckily he was. 531 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:36.759 But like I of the like war movies I've ever seen, 532 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.519 this is the most like I think the word is 533 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:44.079 overused I think it's cliche. This is a fucking visceral movie. Yes, 534 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.400 there are some, and it's not like it's not over 535 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.519 the top. When violence happens, it comes out of nowhere 536 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:53.599 and it's it reminds me of Green Room. I don't 537 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.160 know if you saw that, very very different movie. When 538 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.119 violence happens, it's so matter of fact and like that, 539 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:04.960 it's somehow way grosser. It'll be like, oh, here's some 540 00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.960 blurry shit in the background that's like audio that would shell. 541 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:11.880 This explosion just happened, and now there's no audio for 542 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:16.279 six minutes straight. One of the most effective parts of 543 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:16.920 the whole movie for me. 544 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:18.680 And I'm not gonna like spoil specific stuff again, this 545 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.720 is the thing that really happens, so I don't know spoil. Yeah, 546 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:24.440 it's not like there is an explosion that happens, and 547 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:26.640 in the immediate aftermath of it, it's very much doing 548 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.160 that saving Private Ryan kind of trying to emulate the like, 549 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.880 you know, disorientation and kind of tonightis type stuff and everything, 550 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.240 and like you're kind of hearing muffled yells and stuff 551 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.440 like that. And at one point they pull one of 552 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.480 the guys who's yelling into the house and then it 553 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.079 does this harsh cut from like super tonightis the guys 554 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.599 that were outside to like hearing what his screams are 555 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.359 like inside the house to just like people who weren't 556 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.039 you know, concussed and Tonight's and stuff, and it is 557 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.200 just so jarring. You just hear these awful screams and 558 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.119 this guy is in a real bad way and oh 559 00:26:58.200 --> 00:26:59.880 my unbelievably effective. 560 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:06.359 Yeah, and also like, uh, I've never been from a movie, 561 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:08.279 and you know, I've talked my brother about a lot 562 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.640 of stuff like that's neither here nor there, I guess, 563 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:18.480 but he went through some very very bad stuff, like 564 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.640 you know, none of which I obviously condone. But that's it. 565 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.759 It's it, you know, it's it's it's been done, and 566 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.359 you know, he's it still affects him to this day. 567 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.480 But like, I've never watched a movie before where the 568 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.160 movie itself and how certain characters are acting put me 569 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.559 in the situation so quote unquote, well, there are certain 570 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.880 characters that like we're going and like locking up and 571 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.480 going into shock, and I kind of I like I 572 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.279 understood it, and I'm like, how the fuck you're twenty five, 573 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.000 You're twenty three, you're twenty one, you're any age, and 574 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.359 this is happening right outside this building, and all of 575 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.039 a sudden you have to go out and grab this 576 00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.400 dude and drag him when you know they're a bunch 577 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.200 of these people who are just defending their town. Yeah, 578 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.920 right outside and like somehow, like the way the camera 579 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:12.279 comes in over people's shoulders. And then later on and 580 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.799 they're basically waiting. There's a past a certain point again 581 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.960 like I don't it's it's a you can't really spoil 582 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.640 this movie. It's not super plot heavy. They're waiting. At 583 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.000 a certain point, they're like, hey, people know we're in 584 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.279 this house. We're no longer this like recon out post. 585 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:31.319 We are this target, so we need people to come 586 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:31.880 in and help us. 587 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.599 Oh cool, like medivacs and hearing like, oh, it's gonna 588 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:35.559 be six minutes too. 589 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:38.079 Bradley tanks coming in. So then they're like, I'm pretty 590 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.000 sure the six minutes is real time, so they don't. 591 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.519 So you're like you're waiting six minutes on your couch 592 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.359 watching it, and I'm like that six minutes felt like 593 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:52.279 forty minutes, and I'm like, it's it's so good at 594 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.640 setting that stage and when stuff, when shit hits the fan. 595 00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.079 It's the most horrific movie I've seen in a while. 596 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.839 Like I watched Weapons, and Weapons mess with me less 597 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:06.240 like oh yeah, very very different, Like you know, it's 598 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:07.480 not sensationalized horror. 599 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:08.119 Pretty different. 600 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.960 No, no, no, but yeah no, but this is way 601 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:13.960 like I'm okay, this, this is an apt comparison. Weapons 602 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.359 is like this horror movie that's meant to scare you. 603 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.640 Warfair is this movie that's presenting something matter of fact 604 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.720 that happened based on ewhend discounts. That fucked with me 605 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:25.720 way more in a horror sense, because all of a sudden, 606 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.640 I can't every single horror movie I've ever watched, minus 607 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.240 like The Descent and Borderlands, Mary, which you and I 608 00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.880 watched for the podcast. We did every single horror movie 609 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.400 I've ever watched. 610 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.519 Borderlands was a bad movie, but I didn't know what. 611 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.920 The nice I could remove myself and I could remind myself, hey, 612 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.920 I'm watching horror. It's entertainment, Like I'm not. This movie 613 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.680 like pulled me in in a way. I was having 614 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.880 a very hard time reminding myself that I was, in 615 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.319 fact on a couch watching this unfold and I was 616 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.519 not fucking feeling all this, yeah. 617 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.839 Because in a way like you're I mean you are, 618 00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:59.960 but you're not because like the whole time you're watching, 619 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.559 you're like Jesus Christ, this really happened, like and I 620 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.759 think that is like I feel like I do enjoy 621 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.680 war Enjoy such a weird thing to say with movies 622 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.279 like this, because like when I rated it on a letterbox, 623 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:12.279 I like was thinking about giving it five stars, but 624 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:13.359 then I thought that was kind of like. 625 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:15.880 It's, well, you fuck, yeah, let's watch Warrior. 626 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.119 It's like like that, it's incredibly well done, but I 627 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.000 didn't want to, Like it's not like a you don't 628 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.640 something in a movie Cook's ass, Like no, it's it 629 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.680 reminds me more of like you know, saving Private Ryan, 630 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:28.720 like the d Day scene, because you know, you have 631 00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.559 the more kind of like artistic you know, the Full 632 00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.759 Metal Jackets, the Apocalypse now is that are kind of 633 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.160 using this war as a backdrop to tell a story 634 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.400 about it, and then you have like the d DA 635 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.720 scene from Private Ryan and Warfare that I think are 636 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.680 just trying to like let's just present this as like 637 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.119 the horrors of war just laid bare here without trying 638 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.039 to like add a narrative over it or anything. And 639 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:54.799 I think that's what made it so intense and affecting 640 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.640 to me is that it's like this fucking happened, like yeah, horrifying. 641 00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:59.400 Oh yeah. 642 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.319 I mean I like halfway through, I'm like, I don't 643 00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.640 know if I could finish this, Like I was like, 644 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.960 oh man, this is like it's also funny because you know, 645 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.599 they're reconstructing this place where a family member was, and 646 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.839 so I was I was wondering whether it was even 647 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.599 good for me to keep watching the movie. 648 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:17.240 Yeah. 649 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:22.400 Yeah, but I finished it. And you know, I, Jake 650 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.279 and I used to do a video essay series for 651 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.200 a GameSpot called Reboot, and there was an episode where 652 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.519 it's like, hey, could video games potentially portray war in 653 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.799 a quote unquote realistic way? Is it possible? I don't 654 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:40.359 think it is. But there's a quote from I think 655 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.319 it was French Watcherfoe, the French film director, saying there's 656 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.200 no such thing as an anti war movie. 657 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.000 But brought that up after we watch it. She said that, yeah, 658 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:49.079 no matter how. 659 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.240 Hard you try to portray war in a bad light 660 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.759 in a movie, it's always going to end up being 661 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.519 entertainment or it's always going to end up like sensationalizing 662 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.839 or heroicizing or mythologizing the people in it. Warfare was 663 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.400 one of the aside from Deer Hunter. I think Warfare 664 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.519 Deer Hunters were rough. Yeah, both of those movies are 665 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:11.240 like it's up there with Deer Hunter in a sense, 666 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.680 and like Deer Hunter obviously digs into their home life 667 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.480 afterward and before and whatnot. That's that's more of a 668 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.640 you know, like this epic war movie. But like Warfare, 669 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.680 I came away from like I just like I was 670 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.920 kind of had a pit in my stomach, nauseous afterward. Yeah. 671 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:26.799 She she brought up the quote to me after we 672 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:28.319 watched it, and I was like, man, I don't know 673 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.640 what this one if that applies, because like I can't 674 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.119 imagine anybody watching this and being like, yeah. 675 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.759 Fuck yeah America war Like this was cool, good thing. 676 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.759 We were there, Iran, and I want to enlist, like 677 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:40.920 you might surprise yourself. 678 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.400 I mean even uh, you know, Band of Brothers, like 679 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.079 a lot of the originals when they did this. 680 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.079 People do idolize characters, right, and so it does end up. 681 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:53.920 I haven't seen it, so like maybe I need to 682 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.759 watch it and see if I can. But generally speaking, 683 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.720 it is almost impossible to do this without being like, ooh, 684 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.279 but there's a hero in this story. 685 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.200 There's good We root for these. 686 00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:07.440 Guys, yeah, I mean a couple that people later on, 687 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:09.960 and like again, you kind of see the effects of 688 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.200 like shell shock, not shell shock, you see the effects 689 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.920 of like this numbness and fear on the original squad, 690 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.559 and then another platoon has to come in and help 691 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.960 and they are just these professionals, and all of a sudden, 692 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.000 you're like, it's just like then it becomes sort of 693 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:30.039 about like how different leaders can affect the morale, and 694 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:31.960 then you start thinking about like and then this other 695 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:33.559 dude does come in and he's gung ho or like. 696 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.920 Yeah, but it's like this is so different than like 697 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.240 I did not like American Sniper. You know, like these 698 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:43.960 ones that are just like, oh, we're going to really 699 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.079 you know, pull on the heartstrings and show the bravery 700 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.640 of the I mean, there are definitely instances of bravery 701 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:51.960 and courage and stuff like that and warfare, but like 702 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.359 it does show these people as humans of like they're 703 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.759 just getting concussed and shell shocked and panicking and uh, 704 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.039 in a way that is, it's very easy to empathize 705 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:04.240 with them the whole time. 706 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.279 The family that owns the house that they and was 707 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:12.719 in the bedroom like under like captive, and then the yeah, like. 708 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.920 The the translators. Yeah, you know, like it's man. 709 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.880 Yeah, seriously, just knowing it all happened this way, it 710 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.199 really affected me in a major way. Yeah, it's like, damn, 711 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.039 this is a I don't think I've seen a movie 712 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:25.480 quite like that. 713 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.440 I I don't even know that I can recommend the 714 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.559 movie because I'm glad you watched it. I wouldn't know 715 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:33.199 what to. I mean, like, I do think it's extremely 716 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.480 effective and well made in what it was trying to do. 717 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.639 I didn't enjoy watching it, Like it's not no, no, no, 718 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.639 it's sure, yeah exactly, it's it's if this all sounds 719 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.039 up your alley, I think this is one of the better. 720 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.559 To Mary's point, there are episodes of Band Band of 721 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.760 Brothers that absolutely make those guys out to be these myths. 722 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.880 There are brother does that like very straightforward, but then 723 00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.199 like it does tend like look at these heroes. 724 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.519 There are other episodes that you're like, man, this is 725 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.039 rough to watch. This is that episode. This is like 726 00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.480 the this is intense, this is like chaotic, this is visceral. 727 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.800 This is uh not the kind of movie I should 728 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.480 have watched, like with a glass of wine after my. 729 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.119 Nope, at the end when it pops up, like the 730 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.760 credits pop up at the end, it was just like Jesus. 731 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.599 I need to go for a walk or something. Yeah. 732 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.599 Yeah, well, you're not selling it for me right now. 733 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.920 I'm like really looking for escapism too. 734 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:25.480 It's just. 735 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.119 Escape isn't back to the quainter time of the Iraq War, right, Oh, 736 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:32.159 what a lovely time. 737 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:33.880 I can't even watch the Bear right now. 738 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.519 I'm like, I don't have it in me, Like I'm 739 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:40.880 not watching like eight people scream fucking you know, ship 740 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.320 at each other while they try to make. 741 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.360 Dinner, screaming and bleeding and shooting. Yeah, it definitely is that, 742 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.559 I know, ruptures their ear drums for a bit. It's 743 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:52.360 not all screaming. 744 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.920 It is horrifying for most of the hour and a 745 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:55.599 half running. 746 00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.880 When he opens the bottle of champagne, everyone gets the tonight. Yeah, 747 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.280 they're like I can't. 748 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:02.679 No, no, there's the part where he's trying to give 749 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.559 morphine to the guy who's bleeding out and he accidentally 750 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.360 does it upside down and jabbed himself. 751 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:06.639 With the morphine. 752 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.920 Canna beans and beans go everywhere, and they're like, we 753 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:11.360 have eighteen orders. 754 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:12.719 We are past due. 755 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.679 Oh. And then there's the part where you're like, oh, 756 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.679 they got to roll this guy over. How bad could that? 757 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.119 Oh my god? And then they do the other way. Jesus. 758 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.599 Yeah, they're like, oh, wait, his shins are in eighty pieces, 759 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:24.880 so that's gonna hurt a bit. 760 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.679 Yeah, the guy's money, he's running out of money for 761 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.360 the restaurant, but they've got to make this dinner rush. 762 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.360 He's like getting rolled over with morphine. He's like, thank 763 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.039 you sho enough every time to get morphine. I shouldn't. Yeah. 764 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:40.679 It was definitely the biggest. 765 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:41.719 Test of my Like, you know, I talk about, like, 766 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.599 you know, movies like I don't really cry. I don't 767 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:45.760 get you know, emotionally affected by movies because it's just 768 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:47.800 like I can just see that like this is a movie. 769 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:49.159 This was a sound stage in Burbank. 770 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.519 This didn't really happen, and my brain can't really do 771 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.000 that clicking it, but like my brain clicked in with 772 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.039 this one because it's like now does happened, so like 773 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:57.679 I felt every bit of it. 774 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.760 You know, this movie is extremely good at putting you 775 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.000 in a very specific spot at a very specific time 776 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.719 for ninety minutes in real time. And if that sounds 777 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:11.440 like it's something you want to see, you can go 778 00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.039 for it if you want to, Like Mary said, enjoy 779 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.960 your entertainment and like kind of escape, don't do this 780 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.079 is not that, which I totally get and I probably 781 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.599 should have told myself before I started that movie. I'm not. 782 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:27.039 I don't regret watching it, but yeah, I with my 783 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.000 personal family baggage attached to it, literally. 784 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.199 Talking about you, like while I was watching. 785 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:35.119 Yeah, and that was where he was, Like it took 786 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.320 place a month and a half after he was he 787 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.280 was still there when it was happening, But this took 788 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.800 place a month and a half after some shit was 789 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:45.960 going down with him in his marines. 790 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.519 But it didn't seem like a good time. 791 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:53.320 No, doesn't. Not not on my like, not on my 792 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.599 bucket list to go through that ship. 793 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:57.920 Not so much mar you watch anything. 794 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.159 Yeah, one travels back in time to be a chef 795 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:05.039 for Samurais. 796 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:13.400 She's got to make flat but the steak is tough, Nor. 797 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.920 Does she have morphine to help her morphine steak. 798 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:23.039 No, Mary, I I really I wish I had. I 799 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.079 wish you were there to tell me, hey, let's watch 800 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.000 something that we cannot think about. 801 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.000 I mean, not to bring it back to games, but like, 802 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.679 because I've been playing Hollow Night so much. The idea 803 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.440 of like finishing a Boston Hollow Night and going down 804 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.440 and watching a war movie like get Out. 805 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.239 That's literally not have a heart attack. 806 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:43.760 No. 807 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.519 I played like hours of Hollow Night and then watched Warfare. 808 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:47.280 And then you. 809 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:51.480 Want to live. 810 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:54.599 Past forty five, like we are. We have to be 811 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.519 kinder to our hearts. Like I I am so stressed. 812 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:00.599 I work and I am like, wow, that was a 813 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.800 really stressful day. And then I play Hollow Night and 814 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.719 I'm like, wow, that was a really stressful game. 815 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.480 This is why my hair war frame. 816 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.800 Fucking company that makes Xanax is having a field day. Though. 817 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.800 Yeah, oh there's like no reprieve. Even my hobbies are 818 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:20.920 stressful right now. 819 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.280 I need I like, uh, I started every summer, I 820 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.440 like try and grow a vegetable, and every summer I 821 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.599 fail because it doesn't get that much sun in Portland. 822 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.119 It's like kind of you know, it's like not the 823 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:33.880 sunniest town in the world, but we've had a really 824 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.559 sunny summer and I planted a tomato plant and all 825 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:41.679 summer I watered it and kind of waited, and god. 826 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.719 Damn it, I got my first tomato this weekend. 827 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:45.440 Nice. 828 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.079 So what happens then, Is it just a celebration you 829 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.679 have a tomato party, or is it just like you 830 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:50.880 eat it and it's like that's that. 831 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.400 I cut it up and I put it into guacamole. 832 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:55.840 But before I put it in guacamole, I had one 833 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.960 like piece by itself and ate it. And I'm sure 834 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.920 there's some you know, cognitive dissonance in there, which is like, 835 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.679 this has to be the best tomato of all time 836 00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.239 because I grew it, but it genuinely tastes so much 837 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.519 better than store bought tomatoes. I wish I could have 838 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:09.679 grown more than one. 839 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:11.159 It was so good. 840 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:17.360 Yeah, is growing numerous harder than growing like, let's say 841 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.639 you're growing one. Is there a big difference between grown 842 00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.199 one and growing six? Or is it just like I 843 00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.960 gotta put the water over like I played stardoo oh ba. 844 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.079 Yeah, I want to talk about growing crops. That's all 845 00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.400 I've been reading about for the last fucking four years. 846 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.000 This tomato wine was a one. 847 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.000 It was a star. It was a star. 848 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:39.960 This would have won the awards at the fair. I 849 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:44.000 think when I grow up, we would do cherry tomatoes. 850 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.880 And you can get like thirty cherry tomatoes when you 851 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:47.480 do that, because they're small and they just kind of 852 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:48.119 pop out right. 853 00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.679 Well, if you're growing one fat tomato, which is what 854 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.280 this plant was doing, it just took months for it 855 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.519 to like like shove this one out the door. I 856 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.960 was so proud of it for me, even one, but 857 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:03.920 I wish I could have had. It's kind of a 858 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.960 bummer to be like, I grew tomato this summer. It 859 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.679 can't even say tomatoes. 860 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.440 That's good that you got one. That's better than most 861 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.239 people what you do this summer. 862 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:16.079 I grew tomato. 863 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.519 It's the journey, not the destination, right, No, I want 864 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.559 to eat it, absolutely well, there's. 865 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:23.960 Ways if you just want to eat one. 866 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.360 But they do taste better fresh like from your own 867 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.920 I mean they literally are go through way lesservation. 868 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:34.760 I don't know what tomatoes are like in your supermarkets, 869 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.800 but airloom tomatoes, which is what I would compare a 870 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.760 homegrown tomato too, right, like something that's like by a farmer. 871 00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.039 You know, they're kind of weird looking with all the 872 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.440 little noodles and hooks in them. They don't look like 873 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.519 your regular tomatoes that you get. They can be like 874 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.679 seven dollars, like they're expensive per pound, but like that's 875 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.119 a lot of money for tomatoes. 876 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.320 This may shock you. I've never bought a tomato in 877 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:55.719 my life. 878 00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.880 Should yeah tomatoes. No, no, no, I'm new to the 879 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:03.079 tomato game, and like, dude, tomatoes I didn't. I grew up. 880 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.760 My whole family. We disliked them. I thing because of 881 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.719 like the texture. Yeah, but oh my god. Now I 882 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:14.000 think like if I if there's one I don't know, 883 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.679 I'll call it a fruit. I know it's a debate, 884 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.280 but I'm gonna say it's a fruit. Is I think 885 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.039 it's just a fruit. It's a fruit of a vegetable plant, 886 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.280 I guess, but it's no, it's a fruit. I don't 887 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.519 fucking know. I call it a fruit. If there's one 888 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.119 thing food thing I could not you know ingredient I 889 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.719 could not live without. Tomatoes is on the shortlist. Good tomatoes. 890 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.880 I eat them like an apple. Now, air loom tomatoes. 891 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.360 People say when people ask like, why do you like 892 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.360 airloom tomatoes, a lot of people say they have more flavor. 893 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.000 It's not just that they have more flavor, it's that 894 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.840 they have like eight more eight additional flavors that normal 895 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.679 store bought tomatoes don't have. That you're not gonna get like, 896 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.320 there's there's there's several layers to it. It's they are 897 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.719 completely different fruit and they are just delicious. 898 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.239 So I just Google image search air one tomato. Don't 899 00:42:59.280 --> 00:42:59.800 know what these are. 900 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.159 I'm glaving that you guys were talking about war like 901 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.440 ten minutes ago, and I was like, I was like, 902 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.159 you guys, I'm really into tomatoes right now. 903 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.880 You navigated us out of trying. 904 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:12.880 I'm trying. 905 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.840 You're the second squad that comes in. Yeah, Dan, and 906 00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.880 I couldn't get out. Let's talking about fucking tomatoes. Fucked up. 907 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.199 So I'm living these tomatoes. 908 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.119 And to my layperson's eye, when I picture tomato in 909 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.280 my mind's eye, it's just smooth and round and it's 910 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:33.760 got the little green thing coming out the top. 911 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:34.320 Uh. 912 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:36.760 These there's way more creases going on. 913 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.280 Yeah, they've gone like all these bits and bobs they've 914 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.840 got they like look weird. They almost look like aliens. 915 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.760 Yeah, they got company vibes to them, and I think 916 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.280 that's I wish I knew more about airlom tomatoes, but 917 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.599 I just think like they are they are bread more 918 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.719 like in small quantities, whereas the tomatoes you were probably 919 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.480 eating were made for mass consumption, and so they're trying 920 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:00.920 to go for a many tomatoes. 921 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.119 It's humanly you can shape over and over under these 922 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.000 same conditions, whereas like airloom tomatoes are often grown on 923 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.840 small hectares in Europe or whatever, or you know, like 924 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.440 San Marzano tomatoes in uh Campania. I think like those 925 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:20.199 like they grow in an actual like field where the 926 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.440 conditions are not you know, it's up to the climate, 927 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.840 so then they can like grow in weird ways. But 928 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.480 again they develop phenolic ripeness over the course of a 929 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.000 growing season, so they can get actual like tens of 930 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:32.800 different flavors. 931 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.440 So they I was just gonna say all of that. 932 00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:34.920 I know. 933 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:39.039 Yeah, so I think my well was poisoned with tomatoes 934 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.119 because growing up not just tomatoes, but like so many 935 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.440 different things that took me forever to get to, like 936 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.960 you know, uh, pickles, tomatoes, mustard, things like that that 937 00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:51.480 In recent years, I've kind of been like, oh shit, 938 00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.599 why didn't I know these were good? Because like, since 939 00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.559 everything I fucking ate from my entire childhood was like 940 00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.679 McDonald's and stuff, I'm sure that's not the top of 941 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.519 the line and stuff because I just remember like they 942 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.679 look floppy and gross. 943 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:07.280 And imagine your first tomato being on a subway sandwich. 944 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:12.239 It's like paper thin and looks like bent, tastes like water, 945 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.599 just like complete sad sandwich. 946 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:18.039 Yeah, of course that's not going to be a good impression. 947 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.920 Yeah, So I think that's maybe part of why I 948 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.719 grew up thinking like that stuff looks gross, And now 949 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.760 that I can try like actual, like normal ones, not 950 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.519 fast food or whatever, it's like, oh I get it now, Yeah. 951 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.920 No that they're uh tomatoes are I would hate to 952 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:37.800 live without them. Glad you grew one. Thank you. I'm 953 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:38.360 proud of it. 954 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:40.159 The guac was really good too. 955 00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:45.480 I had a nice evening and I bought my other 956 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.760 stupid fact but I am proud of this, so I 957 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.320 will share it unapologetically. 958 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.920 I like estate sales, and I went to a state 959 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.599 sale and this this. 960 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.679 Lady must have really liked bakewear. Or like cookware that 961 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.960 is seasonal. So they had like all these different pots 962 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.119 and pants, but it was like specifically for Christmas, and 963 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.119 they had like snowflakes on them. But she had an 964 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:11.039 entire set of bakewear for fall and had pumpkins on it. 965 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:15.480 I bought the whole damn pack, all ten pieces with 966 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:24.199 their original lids, seventy dollars in today's Yeah, in today's money, 967 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:25.880 this should have been like six hundred bucks. 968 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.039 I'm thrilled. 969 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.639 And so I made this food specifically so I could 970 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.639 showcase all these different pieces. 971 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:35.000 I liked it it, I love it. 972 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.119 I thank you. I was like, I'm I'm vtny cracker. 973 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.599 I was like enjoying the experience of like having an 974 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.039 excuse to use all my custom fall bakeware, which I 975 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.599 will have to put in a plastic bin at the 976 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.400 end of I guess November, because the season will be 977 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:52.760 over these next three months. 978 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.039 I'm going to be insufferable. 979 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:58.840 Yeah, we're we're holding off on. There's apple cider at 980 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.079 the grocery store now, and I'm mould cider every year, 981 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.840 and also applesider is the best thing ever. I used 982 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.599 to make homemade apple cider. My grandpa so it's got 983 00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.440 like I've have strong memories attached to it. I held off. 984 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.079 I did, not getting it till the official first day 985 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.199 of fall, which is Monday the twenty second, which is 986 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:14.679 my birthday. 987 00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:15.000 Monday. 988 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.719 I always bring in the fall my birthday and. 989 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.480 Your big apple boy, big big apple. 990 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:24.360 Pilla's tanging brown. You're insider town. 991 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.840 Yeah, I'm in cider town twenty four seve until November 992 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:30.800 twenty seven. 993 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.960 I tare you that quote? 994 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:34.719 Dan? 995 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.079 Are you a pumpkin spice? 996 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:36.440 Girly? 997 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:38.079 You know what? 998 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:41.639 I did recently have a pumpkin spice thing. Bonk went 999 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.400 to I think Carabou Coffee or something. They had a 1000 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:44.400 pump I knew it was bunk. 1001 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.599 She's the best thing ever happened to you. Every time 1002 00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.719 I ask you something and hope that you've experienced it, 1003 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:52.039 you're like, you know what, Bonk? 1004 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.719 Did you think you think you're breaking news to me? 1005 00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:58.519 Christ No, she she got me. 1006 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.960 Whether it's Starbucks or Cara or something, she got me 1007 00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:03.199 a pumpkin spice something or other, And. 1008 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.920 Goddamn, it's just a good fla. I see why it's popular. 1009 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.639 It's good. Everybody likes the pumpkin spice I'm into it. 1010 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.320 I was not as strong as you, Mike. I as 1011 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.800 soon as I saw a pumpkin spice coffee. 1012 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.400 Creamer, I got it because one of my favorite times 1013 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.400 of year is when my coffee tastes like pumpkin spice. 1014 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.000 I'm not gonna get us Starbucks every like that's insane, 1015 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:26.679 So I just make it at home in the morning 1016 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.440 and do my little You actually like to make the 1017 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.280 syrup myself. It's really easy and you just chuck it 1018 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.159 in a jar. Then you have pumpkin spice all all 1019 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.440 month long. Again, I'm going to be insufferable. 1020 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.559 I love this season. It's my fast season. 1021 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:43.199 Yes, whenever something gets like newly kind of very popular 1022 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.320 in more recent years or whatever, it tends to become 1023 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:47.239 a meme to shit on it between Like you know, 1024 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.639 pumpkin spice stuff or avocado toast is the go to 1025 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.760 for like boomers making fun of millennials and stuff. 1026 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.880 But it's like, no, they're just good, Like avocado toast. 1027 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.639 Isn't this like stupid thing that like is a fad 1028 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.960 or some think it's like no avocados kicks ass. 1029 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:02.559 Yeah. 1030 00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.639 Chris Plant said something when we worked together at Polygon 1031 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:11.639 that really resonated. He he mentioned not and he might 1032 00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:15.519 have been paraphrasing somebody else, but I remember him being 1033 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.880 the one to tell me that not everything that's good 1034 00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:22.800 becomes popular, but everything that becomes popular there's some there 1035 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.159 tends to be something good about it in the entertainment space, 1036 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.239 Like there might be something really shitty that gets popular, 1037 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.840 you can probably find something good about it. Sure in 1038 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.760 the sense that, like something spoke to that many people, 1039 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.159 there must be something worthwhile about it. 1040 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.440 And I'm trying to think like a greater examples of things, 1041 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.119 like what what is the biggest discrepancy between most popularity 1042 00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:52.239 and least the Kardashians. Yeah, but even then they seem 1043 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:54.519 to have a good sense of just like was never 1044 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.960 seen the show, but like they might have understood, yeah 1045 00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.920 audience where Reality TV was, And yeah, you. 1046 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:02.239 Might have to stretch farther. 1047 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.239 You want something like universally hated that's popular, Dan, what 1048 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:05.840 are you looking. 1049 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:10.159 For anything that you would consider objectively bad that got 1050 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.719 very popular, Like, I mean, you can point to a 1051 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.239 million different bad things or whatever, oh, Backstreet Boys or something, 1052 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:16.559 but people like that, what. 1053 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.159 Do you wire you fuckers laughing? 1054 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:23.000 I'm not nothing. Something has to do with what we 1055 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.119 were saying before we started recording. 1056 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.880 Just move on, we will move on. 1057 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.559 There's nothing like that that matches that just weird. 1058 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:34.719 I understand, and we will move on. 1059 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.199 But no, I think again. I apologies Chris, and he 1060 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.079 listens to us every once in a while. Apologies if 1061 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:46.199 I'm butchering your quote, but there is I think it's 1062 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.800 worth remembering that even when something you thing sucks and 1063 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.960 has no redeeming qualities, it got popular for some reason. 1064 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.000 Everything is great. There's actually nothing wrong with anybody. 1065 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.400 Yeah one saying, yeah, do you want. 1066 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:08.760 Let's talk about video games. Okay, it's time. Let's talk 1067 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:18.119 about solid Day, silk song. Hellow night, Solid Day, Yeah, 1068 00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:18.639 hellow night. 1069 00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.679 Oh that's bad. That's not a good. 1070 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.880 Let's start over. Let's start over. 1071 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.000 We're not alive. Take on that. 1072 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.039 I want everyone to know who you are. 1073 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:27.280 Start over. Let's start over. 1074 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.199 Taking you actually to keep that in. That was just terrible, Jake, 1075 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.119 bleep it out. Mary. There's so many people that can 1076 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:32.719 do a podcast. 1077 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.039 Don't you have a button? 1078 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.239 You have all those fart My ship hasn't been working, 1079 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.320 so that's I've not been able to part for real because. 1080 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.159 You got I don't know that. 1081 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.920 I think I still have a fart. Hang on ones 1082 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.039 that were like grandfathered in, I can do. 1083 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:48.920 Do I not have a fart? 1084 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.079 I love Dan farting in like a courthouse and saying 1085 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:53.599 that one was grandfathered in. It's fine. 1086 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.159 I don't think I have a this is allowed. 1087 00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.159 No, I have the built in ones. I have none 1088 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.280 of my custom ones. It's it's time to get serious. 1089 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:03.679 No sense. 1090 00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.880 Okay, Oh sorry, so sir, okay, do it do a 1091 00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:07.159 witty intro to this segment. 1092 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:17.119 We've all been playing a game called Hollow Night's Silk Song. 1093 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:23.599 Accurate if not witty. Yeah, okay, Okay, here's the deal. 1094 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.880 This has been a long running thing, going back to 1095 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.400 the beginnings of this podcast about this game, going back 1096 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.880 before that, going back to me and Mary yelling at 1097 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:32.199 each other. 1098 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.000 Uh, going back before that, before I knew you existed. 1099 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:40.480 That's not true, that's not true Twitch office with you 1100 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:43.440 and and you we were sitting in the weird Twitch 1101 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.320 bar Pinball Lounge or. 1102 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:46.440 Whatever in San Francisco. 1103 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.440 Because I remember being like, Wow, she really fucking likes 1104 00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:51.480 Hollow Night. I think it had just come out, and 1105 00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.119 you were like in full you know, like four beers 1106 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.960 in rave mode about it, and I played a little 1107 00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.719 bit and I was like, it's fine, all right, who's 1108 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:01.440 this weirdo? 1109 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:03.000 All right? 1110 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.559 That seems accurate. That does sound like something that happened. 1111 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:06.920 I have no memory of that, but that. 1112 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.800 Does sound like what I remember. 1113 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.400 The whole saga I do recall, and we've had a 1114 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.440 lot of evolutions of it, and honestly, we have not 1115 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.880 talked about this prior. Like all I have seen is 1116 00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:20.639 I've seen a couple of people in like Giant Bomb 1117 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.159 Chat and stuff like that mentioned like, oh I was 1118 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.039 watching Mary stream and she was raging at this boss 1119 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:26.719 or something like that. 1120 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:29.119 That's true, but we have not talked about it. 1121 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:33.400 So it's exciting. These are like our genuine, fresh first impression. 1122 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.639 I never got the chance to talk about Hollow Night 1123 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:37.440 the first game on the show because you two always 1124 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:38.119 are fucking you. 1125 00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:42.280 Blew it with your fucking intro let us have our moment. 1126 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.039 Mom and Dad are always arguing, and I'm just sitting 1127 00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.239 in the corner listening to fucking ever Clear. 1128 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.000 Go suck off some pipes or whatever you do. 1129 00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.039 Why the solid day fucking out? 1130 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.440 Yeah, go fu talk about the game. That's fine. 1131 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.320 Oh you're playing it too Okay, too late, time out? Okay, 1132 00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:58.880 even start? How do we eat? 1133 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:04.119 I'm gonna start. I will start because I feel very down. 1134 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:04.440 Mary. 1135 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:05.159 I know. 1136 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:08.920 The floor is yours. Mary. 1137 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:09.599 Thank you. 1138 00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.360 I've never been at odds with song discussion. 1139 00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.559 I'm happy to have this conversation with you all. 1140 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.519 I've been almost dreading it a little bit because I 1141 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:25.159 I really do love this game, and I am enjoying 1142 00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.079 all of my hours that I've poured into I think 1143 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.400 I've poured thirty five hours into it, which is crazy 1144 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.159 considering I have not beat it. 1145 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.559 Chicking, So thirty five for Mary, I'm at about forty 1146 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:36.239 as of today. 1147 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.880 Mike, you're at twelve. Okay, I just all I can 1148 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.800 tell you the thing I just unlocked. I'll probably be 1149 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:42.760 a spoiler. THO wouldn't it? 1150 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:43.280 Hey, do you know what? 1151 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:44.559 This is good? 1152 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.360 This is gonna be the big Soilk song discussion for 1153 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.280 this podcast. So like, hey, if you're worried about spoilers, uh, 1154 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:51.880 this is not the segment for you. So I agree 1155 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:52.519 all on the table. 1156 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.800 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to like get rid 1157 00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.159 of crazy stuff, but like, yeah, it's you have to 1158 00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:58.519 talk about some of the boss. 1159 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.000 And abilities and bosses and yeah, totally no. 1160 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:05.199 I've like, I think an hour ago I unlocked the 1161 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:11.840 the glide ability, and that's a very helpful one. You're 1162 00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.079 gonna be that. I've been using it for about an 1163 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.280 hour hour two backtracking. I have not gotten to the 1164 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.199 next big boss. But I just thought, yeah, so that's 1165 00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:19.639 where I'm at. 1166 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:21.800 I think it's phenomenal. 1167 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.119 I think it is such a powerhouse of a game. 1168 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:26.440 It really pushes you as a player. I have never 1169 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:32.320 felt so pushed with my ability to deal with serious 1170 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:37.679 combat situations, stress. The platforming of sections are so long 1171 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:41.239 and arduous, and yet at every turn and every death. 1172 00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:44.440 And it is true what you have heard of my streams. 1173 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.119 And me being like these sons of bitches, which I 1174 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.159 did say multiple times out loud when. 1175 00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:49.000 Streaming this game. 1176 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.760 I adore this game, but it is punishing, is punishing 1177 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:57.880 me as a person. And I have said out loud 1178 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.199 multiple times, maybe I'm not as good of a gamer 1179 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.920 as I think I am. And then I do something 1180 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.679 really cool and I say out loud, I am the 1181 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.039 greatest gamer on Earth. 1182 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.000 I think that's that's the big thing with this game is, 1183 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.079 like Bonk has mentioned, like while I'm playing it downstairs, 1184 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:18.440 she's hearing me. I'm screaming, I am fucking like I've 1185 00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:20.519 had a couple bosses that it's like, you know, twenty 1186 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.760 thirty times it feels like I'm just dying and I 1187 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.400 get so close and some complete horseeshit happens, like god, 1188 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.639 fuck got n Like I don't get I'm not a 1189 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.960 throwing controllers, angry gamer type or anything, but like I 1190 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.320 am so because I get so fucking invested in like 1191 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:34.960 this is the time. I know all the attacks I 1192 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.679 just have to fucking execute and I've gotten so angry 1193 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.159 at it. But that's the thing is like, Okay, so 1194 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.239 a lot of games like Okay, for instance, we'll probably 1195 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.159 talk a little bit about border Lands four, and after 1196 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.039 this Borderlands four you could probably play that whole game 1197 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.119 and be at a solid six point five out of 1198 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.880 ten enjoyment for many many hours. 1199 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:53.360 Sure. 1200 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:53.679 Uh. 1201 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.760 With Hollow Night, I have had moments where I'm at 1202 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:58.679 a one out of ten, and then I have moments 1203 00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:00.960 where I'm in a fucking fifteen out of ten. You know, 1204 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.960 it's just and that range, like I like it all 1205 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.679 where it's like, you know, I'll go upstairs after I'm 1206 00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:08.000 playing and I'll be like, oh my god, the game 1207 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.199 is incredible. I love it, And Bonk were like, yeah, 1208 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:11.960 it really sounds like you're loving it down there, like, 1209 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:13.239 you know, santastically because I'm. 1210 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.159 Yelling at something and I'm like, no, but no, I do. 1211 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:16.320 Like that's the thing I do. 1212 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:19.920 Like I'm getting angry and I'm yelling, but it's I 1213 00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:23.679 don't think I would change anything. It is brutal and 1214 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.840 challenging in a way that like I am nostalgic for. 1215 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:28.800 I think, you know, growing up playing like any S 1216 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:30.599 games like you know, Mega Mans and stuff like that, 1217 00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.360 and beating your head against stuff over and over again, 1218 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.039 just getting pissed off, and then when you finally beat it, Oh, 1219 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:36.840 it's better than that because like there wasn't a lot 1220 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:38.840 of horseshit stuff in like old Nees games and that 1221 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.079 we're like not good hard you know what I mean. 1222 00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.920 This is like this is like meant to be this 1223 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.159 way and hard. 1224 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:47.559 Yeah. 1225 00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:49.760 I actually said the same thing, which is I haven't 1226 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.159 been this angry at a game since Lion King on 1227 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.960 Sega Genesis. Like shit, that last boss fight of Lion King. 1228 00:57:58.280 --> 00:57:59.880 I was like, first of all, I don't even know 1229 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:03.400 how to throw scar Is too. This is too hard, 1230 00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:05.400 it's not possible. But even once you figure out what 1231 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.440 you're supposed to do, it can take you so many 1232 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.159 lives and then you're gone. You lose your whole save 1233 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.599 and you start all over again. That's a fucking brutal game. 1234 00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.559 This game is also brutal, but in a different way. 1235 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.719 It's teaching you very extreme mechanics over time, that you 1236 00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:24.000 will die so money times figuring it out, and that 1237 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:26.360 even once you're like, oh, I actually figured it out, 1238 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:27.280 I know what they're teaching me. 1239 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:29.880 You stupid bitch. You're gonna have to do it another 1240 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.639 one hundred times. You're not there yet. You still don't 1241 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.480 know what you need to do to get it done. 1242 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:37.440 That's how tough they've made this game, but it is. 1243 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:41.280 It is so rewarding when you are able to actually 1244 00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.159 succeed in this game. I feel such a sense of 1245 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:48.760 accomplishment when I am able to get past that boss fight. 1246 00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.599 When I saw the words act Too, my jaw hit 1247 00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.639 the fucking floor. I could not believe. I thought I 1248 00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.760 beat the game. I'm so stupid. This game has humbled me. 1249 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:03.000 I'm trying to remember what was the moment that does 1250 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:04.960 the switch over, because like I have lately just been 1251 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.960 in the act two to act three thing and I 1252 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:09.360 try to remember what because it's the grandmother silk thing 1253 00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:12.559 for act two to three? What is the thing between one? 1254 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.480 And it's it's the firebug that has the really long 1255 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:19.920 run up. He's like a bug and a second phase 1256 00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.480 run back, and his second phase he has a fire 1257 00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.039 mallet and he like, is it the. 1258 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:26.920 One on fire? Is it the one where the ground 1259 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:28.079 is falling out into the lava. 1260 00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.920 No, that's the giant with the forearms. 1261 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.360 I'm struggling to remember which one this is, but like, okay, 1262 00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.199 so fucking many of these things. 1263 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.800 It's a sand area with wind and it has a 1264 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:41.559 really father of the flame run back and then we. 1265 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:42.960 Father the flame is the one where we break the 1266 00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:44.639 lanterns uh. 1267 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.400 He has a like a lantern on a uh like 1268 00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:50.880 on a metal chain and he throws it at you. 1269 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:53.559 But it's also on fire now and then waves of 1270 00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:54.800 fire go go by. 1271 00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:58.119 Okay, maybe last year that's elden. 1272 00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:02.320 Ring shit, Like, oh yeah, they I'm surprised. I this 1273 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.599 boss is like locked in my core memory. This one 1274 01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.440 was so hard for me personally and then when I 1275 01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:11.840 got it done, I was like, that's it. What a 1276 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:17.320 what an incredible accomplishment. These benches are liquid gold, they 1277 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:22.519 are chocolate for the eyes, they are like heroin. I'm 1278 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.599 so elated when I see a bench anymore. I'm like, sweet, 1279 01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.159 sweet very wine. I cannot believe I get to sit 1280 01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:29.440 on this. 1281 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:33.599 I'm so happy. I'm so so so happy when I 1282 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:37.199 see these. And I just think that this game evokes 1283 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:38.039 so much emotion. 1284 01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:41.440 There have been issues that I've had with it, but 1285 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:43.440 like generally speaking, what I'm saying is like I don't 1286 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.320 think I've had a game make me feel this way 1287 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:46.599 in years. 1288 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:49.679 Yeah, And I feel like there are there were phases 1289 01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.639 of like, you know, most bosses I would say, you know, 1290 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.159 i'd be between like the third or fifth time I 1291 01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:57.639 bought them, and then there were like a few that 1292 01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:59.800 like you know, we're in that fifteen twenty thing, and 1293 01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.119 like for those those are the ones, I'm yeah, those 1294 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:04.199 are the ones I'm screaming at, and like they kind 1295 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:06.679 of all follow the same pattern where it's like okay, 1296 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.559 the first like ten times, you're just kind of learning 1297 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:11.480 the attacks, like okay, when he does this, when he 1298 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:13.119 jumps in the air. I just need to not be 1299 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:14.840 at a diagonal and then I can do the pogo 1300 01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.239 stuff or whatever, and then then you kind of learn 1301 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.039 phase two and then it's like, okay, well phase three is. 1302 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:20.440 The last one. 1303 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.320 That's when the ads come in you know how to 1304 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.920 take you Like, so there's the part. There's the learning process, 1305 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:26.960 which i'd say with these really hard ones or like 1306 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:31.119 maybe ten tries, and then there's the like overconfidence where 1307 01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:32.679 it's like, Okay, I know how this guy works, I 1308 01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:34.119 know all the attacks. I just got to go in 1309 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:36.239 there and kill him now. And that's where I would 1310 01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.440 get the most frustrated, is when it's like I'm not 1311 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:39.519 getting surprised by. 1312 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:42.159 Shit, I know what to do now, it's just not 1313 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:43.199 happening for me. 1314 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.360 Yeah, I'm like it's like, oh, I got it here, Okay, 1315 01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:47.960 I got the right load out and everything. I know 1316 01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:49.000 all the attacks. I'm good. 1317 01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.119 And then you spend like ten deaths and like, what 1318 01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:52.840 the fuck is wrong with me? Why am I fucking 1319 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.239 up here? Like oh, that's bullshit? And then it's always 1320 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:56.639 like at a point where it's like you're at the 1321 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.559 most pissed off and you're just like kind of just 1322 01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.159 like over and over emotionlessly, just like doing the run 1323 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.039 back and just like fucking okay, whatever, whatever, and then 1324 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.960 I would inevitably get into a fight where it's like 1325 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.199 I'm like halfway through the fight and I'm like, I 1326 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:12.519 haven't been hit yet. I'm like, wait, is this going 1327 01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:14.639 really good? Hang on, don't get excited, don't don't get 1328 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:16.079 too excited, don't get it. And then it's like I'm 1329 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:17.599 still not gotting hit. I'm still not going to hit. 1330 01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:19.239 This is phase three. I haven't been hit yet. 1331 01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:20.920 And then you just win and it's like sometimes it's 1332 01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:22.760 like you didn't get hit once and it just like 1333 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:25.159 you've just been beaten down so much and the muscle 1334 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:27.719 memory has been established and it's like it happens. 1335 01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:31.400 And I kind of think that's an awesome process to 1336 01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:32.519 go through with something. 1337 01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.159 Like if that was every Boss, I would my beard 1338 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:36.800 hair would fall out, not just my head hair, Like 1339 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.280 I I would lose my mind and not want to 1340 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:41.159 play this, but like for it to be you know, 1341 01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:43.880 every like tenth Boss or something is something that like 1342 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:46.840 I am screaming at the TV, like I like, look a. 1343 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:49.360 Little hairless mole rat without anything. 1344 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.000 I feel like you got to have some hair I considered, Yeah, 1345 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:53.920 well would that a fight? At some point in my life, 1346 01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:55.320 I will shave everything and it's gonna. 1347 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:55.960 Be weird shiny. 1348 01:02:56.639 --> 01:03:01.880 Yeah yeah, but no, I I do like the process too, 1349 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:04.039 of like, Okay, if you've been beating your head against it, 1350 01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:05.519 you know, take a break. 1351 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:06.159 Yeah. 1352 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:07.719 Well there's the thing like oh, trying the same thing 1353 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.199 over and over again, you know, and it's not working. 1354 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.000 You got to shift something up. And so it's like, okay, 1355 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:12.280 you sit on the bench and it's like, okay, what 1356 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:14.599 tools do I have here? What can I equip here? 1357 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.039 And then like you'll you'll find certain things where it's 1358 01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:19.679 like I got the cogfly and it's like, oh shit, 1359 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:21.400 okay this fight where I can't really like do. 1360 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:21.960 You have the cogfly? 1361 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:22.360 Mary? 1362 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:24.320 Is that a trap? 1363 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:25.440 There? 1364 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:27.880 It's a tool, And it's the kind of bugs that 1365 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.400 even spawn like five of them. 1366 01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:33.719 Oh my God, to save my ass in so many 1367 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:35.960 fights because like there's so many where, like the windows 1368 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.719 to attack these bosses are so so tiny, and so 1369 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:40.840 you're just like dodging, dodging, dodging for your life. And 1370 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:42.119 then it's like guy got one hit in and I 1371 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:44.920 gotta run away and heal. The cogflies are a great 1372 01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:46.800 way to like just load up on them as long 1373 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:48.599 as you know your tools are at like the maximum. 1374 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:50.320 You know, your craft kit, your toolkit, all that stuff 1375 01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.000 is all powered up, and it's just like, all right, 1376 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.199 I'm gonna spawn all these fucking dudes. I'm going to 1377 01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.079 attack when I can. But even in the in between 1378 01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.400 moments when I'm just dodging whatever, these little guys are 1379 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.760 kind of like nip adam and stuff and just doing nice. 1380 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:03.880 You know, it feels very like I. 1381 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.840 Did use something like that. I had a one that heat. 1382 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:09.760 When I heal it, it damages everything around me. 1383 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:10.960 Oh the mirror thing. 1384 01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:13.599 Yeah, And I love that because it's so nice to 1385 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:14.519 be like, I got a heal. 1386 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:16.440 I'm and something comes at me to hurt me, and 1387 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.559 I actually kill it because I'm healing, and I'm like, 1388 01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:22.360 that is sweet, sweet revenge that I can defend myself. 1389 01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.119 I do think that it is more important in this 1390 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.800 game than in Hollow Night to upgrade your person. It 1391 01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.079 is so difficult to get through this game without upgrading 1392 01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:35.440 your stats. You need to have all the bells and whistles, 1393 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:38.880 you need to get your needle sharpened. Do not sleep 1394 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.480 on these things. I made the mistake of going through 1395 01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.280 a very difficult boss fight before I had the double jump. 1396 01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:47.119 I really could have used that double jump, you guys. 1397 01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:50.920 There are some things too where it's like there's only 1398 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:53.719 a few, like actual needle upgrades, and like your needles 1399 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:55.559 are your main point of attack, so it's like you 1400 01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:57.639 have to get this pale oil stuff to upgrade it, 1401 01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:59.480 and like I got a purple of them all right, 1402 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:01.960 and it was like a third one that it's like 1403 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:03.280 I kind of like, I was like, how do I 1404 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:05.199 get to needle updates? And I did a few times 1405 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:06.599 like search, like I need to need a update. 1406 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:08.960 I did a search too. I got really stuck on 1407 01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:10.599 one of them. I just could I didn't know what 1408 01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:10.920 to do. 1409 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:12.400 I don't know. 1410 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:16.119 I don't think that's like a shame for me. I 1411 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:18.400 kind of want to hear, like I really appreciate your 1412 01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:20.440 opinion on this. I like also want your Mike's opinions. 1413 01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.519 Like it's like ex journals, there's been conversation about this 1414 01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:27.719 game from like a journalist because journalists didn't get this 1415 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.360 game early, which means they had to kind of get 1416 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:31.400 through really quickly. 1417 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:38.400 Maybe what I just said funk off married to the 1418 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:42.360 people that I do see that, Like one thing that 1419 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:46.519 is kryptonite to me is like games, media entitlement stuff. Yeah, sorry, 1420 01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.800 I I yeah, maybe we should beat that. I probably don't. No, 1421 01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:53.719 I'm sorry. 1422 01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:55.360 I thought you were. 1423 01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:58.360 I thought you were genuinely upset. 1424 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.320 No, I think that's super h was annoying. It was 1425 01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:05.639 annoying that like people were complaining about that. I get that. 1426 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:06.920 I saw that. Yeah. 1427 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:09.679 Yeah, it's the same thing I had where it's like 1428 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:12.320 when whenever I would say journalists complaining about going to 1429 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:13.840 E three because it's so much work, you know, back 1430 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:14.440 in the day, I'd. 1431 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:15.960 Like, what the fuck, Like this is the you're get 1432 01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:17.920 paid to go to E three with the complain about it. 1433 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:19.480 When there was a point where there was like a 1434 01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:21.440 steam glitch and a lot of us journalists like got 1435 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:23.280 are like press accounts, like we couldn't log into it, 1436 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:24.840 and I saw people tweeting. 1437 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:26.280 Oh, this is a big problem. 1438 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.199 It's like, no, this is a major crazy perk of 1439 01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:31.119 the job, and suddenly you don't have it, like this 1440 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.719 is not a problem. This is you don't like we 1441 01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:37.239 get a lot of benefits and stuff and stuff like yeah, 1442 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:38.960 you're gonna be okay, and so, like I kind of 1443 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:40.679 did feel that way with the Holli Night stuff, where 1444 01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:43.079 it's like when I saw that it was not coming 1445 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.239 out earlier, it's like, yeah, okay, I'll play it a 1446 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:46.920 bunch when it comes out, It's fine. 1447 01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:52.639 Well. I read one review that, uh, broadly was like, listen, 1448 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:55.400 this game is like so punishing that it's like almost 1449 01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:57.320 mean to the player. 1450 01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:00.559 That's a very not fair TLDR. 1451 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:02.239 But if I were to cliff notes it, I felt 1452 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:04.280 like that was what this reviewer was saying, which is 1453 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:07.760 like it's almost like cruel for as the purpose. 1454 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:07.960 To be crazy. 1455 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.239 Yeah, And my kind of reaction to that was, but 1456 01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.360 when I get frustrated at this game, I can go 1457 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:18.840 to bed and I can have a snack, and I 1458 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.960 can watch TV and relax. But a person who like 1459 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.119 needed to review this game probably as fast as possible 1460 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:29.280 was not given that grace, and thus was probably really 1461 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.480 angry trying to get through this game as fast as possible, 1462 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:34.119 and thus that might have actually, like. 1463 01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:39.119 I think thought process at is I don't think you 1464 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.199 should have to beat a game like this to review it. 1465 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.480 I think there are people finding a way around sorry 1466 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:45.239 to give a final verdict on it, I think you 1467 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:48.000 should beat it. Let me say that, I think I 1468 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.840 think anybody complaining that they are like killing themselves to 1469 01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:53.760 beat this game in order to review it has more 1470 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:57.840 of a problem with their We really should beat that out. 1471 01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:01.880 But like that that is failure of management at that website, 1472 01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:07.039 not Team Cherry, like you you're taking it out. 1473 01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:08.000 I agree the systems. 1474 01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:10.119 The system is broken, right, and you can kind of 1475 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.199 hear it in their writing sometimes. For sure, get broadly, 1476 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.559 I'm not trying to like call it anyone specifically, and 1477 01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:17.239 some of these in some of the reviews, I was like, 1478 01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:20.000 you just sound mad, like you had a miserable. 1479 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:23.840 And I'm sure, but like again, that's not that can 1480 01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:25.960 be self imposed or that can be bad management. Where 1481 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:27.399 I've had it both ways, where it's like you know, 1482 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.600 Death Stranding and Red Dead Redemption two. I rushed through 1483 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:32.760 it because I like no one at Giant. It's not 1484 01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:34.600 like Vinnie was being like you better fucking like No, 1485 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.560 it wasn't that. I just kind of felt like I 1486 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:38.239 need to do that, and I played it in a 1487 01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.399 not optimal way and didn't like the game as a result. 1488 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.079 But there are also times where It's like I was 1489 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:45.039 a Game Informer and I had to fucking review you 1490 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.039 have a deadline for a print edition of a magazine, 1491 01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:52.319 and it's like Mario Luigi Dream Team, which was insanely long, 1492 01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:55.079 and it's like fifty sixty hours or something, and I 1493 01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.079 had to like spend an entire weekend, which this is 1494 01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:59.359 when the three DS's were chained to the desks because 1495 01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:01.760 Nintendo's and say and so I had to like spend 1496 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.199 the weekend at the office punched over a fucking three 1497 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:07.399 DS or DS whatever it was the time, because I 1498 01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:08.920 was flying out Sunday night and I had to hit. 1499 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.000 The off them'll experience that's the thing. 1500 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:12.800 It's like that, Yeah, that step is fucked in a 1501 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:14.920 million different ways. And also it's like, yeah, games journalism 1502 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:16.720 typically doesn't pay very well, So it's like, yeah, when 1503 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:19.319 you're paying people, you know, twenty thousand dollars a year 1504 01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:21.760 and then expecting them to spend their entire weekend and 1505 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:24.960 like it's like, yeah, I can there are very valid. 1506 01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:25.399 Complaints for sure. 1507 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:28.199 Yeah, yeah, yes, absolutely, And that that can vary wildly 1508 01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.640 depending on whether you're just a solo Twitch streamer or 1509 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:33.560 you work for val net or something yeah, fair. 1510 01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.159 When I say it's just a failure management, there are 1511 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:37.680 many factors of play into it. I do think some 1512 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:45.399 entitlement comes out, and also, uh, I worry or I 1513 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:49.319 think that. Like a lot of times when it comes 1514 01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:53.680 to video game reviews, we do put a lot of 1515 01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.000 stock in someone finishing game before they give a final 1516 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:58.359 verdict on a game, which I get because there's some 1517 01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.840 shit can happen in the last third review. Well, we 1518 01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:03.479 were talking about Resume four earlier. It's like, you review 1519 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:05.439 that game based on the first act, it's a ten 1520 01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:07.640 out of ten. You review the game based on the 1521 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:10.319 first two of three acts, nine out of ten. You 1522 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:12.960 review the game this these days, and I might get 1523 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.399 fucking crucified for this. I think it's like eight out 1524 01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:18.479 of ten. But like it's still an amazing game. But like, 1525 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:21.560 if you didn't play that third act, you can't offer 1526 01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:22.640 a final verdict on that game. 1527 01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:24.640 I was adamant about always beating games. 1528 01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:28.399 If I was going to score too, I think game, yeah, yeah, 1529 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:30.159 beating it, But like I was going to give a 1530 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:31.560 score and write a review, I had to beat it 1531 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:32.000 for sure. 1532 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:34.640 Yeah, and and yeah, so like I don't want to 1533 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:37.880 get im I clearly riled up, but like. 1534 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.880 Want, I'm very curious what you guys think about stirred 1535 01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.239 a lot of emotions. Yeah, when I when I was 1536 01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:48.560 playing it and when I was reading other reviews of. 1537 01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:51.199 It, Yeah, it did call into question what team Cherry 1538 01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.039 Owes people. They've been working on it forever. I think, like, 1539 01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:02.000 here's the thing. I think, if you have a game 1540 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:06.119 that you're confident in and you think, given enough time, 1541 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:08.359 people will love it, if they can play it at 1542 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.560 a good pace, it behooves you, the developer the publisher 1543 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.640 to give out code as early as possible. Obviously, then 1544 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.159 that doesn't take into account how long it can take 1545 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:23.159 to get I don't know. We see for my day job, 1546 01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:26.159 we see quite a few games we play a month 1547 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.199 out and then there's still some technical things, and then 1548 01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:30.640 all of a sudden, the game released in a month 1549 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.720 and they fixed it. It's not that simple. They had 1550 01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:35.119 to put a lot of work in to fix it. 1551 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.720 But there's also the flip side where it's like, Okay, 1552 01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:45.479 well we think our game is good, but it's not 1553 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.520 ready technically until two weeks before launch. We're still going 1554 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:51.039 to give it to people, so they have some time beforehand. 1555 01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:55.079 Had Team Cherry given people two weeks to play this 1556 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:57.760 game as opposed to just letting them jump in on 1557 01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:00.720 or giving them release dy codes, with that been any better, 1558 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.520 I think people would have still said, like, sorry, two 1559 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:05.960 weeks is actually a lot like a week like when 1560 01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.039 the game we don't know that the game was ready 1561 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.520 to go two weeks before release unless Team shared. 1562 01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:12.920 Is that wasn't the reason though. The reason wasn't because 1563 01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:14.800 the game wasn't ready. The reason was because of. 1564 01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:16.920 Back kickstarter or backers. 1565 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:20.439 Sure the reason they gave, Yeah, they basically said it 1566 01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:21.039 was unfair. 1567 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:25.439 Yeah, So at that point, like I guess they were 1568 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:31.720 faced with does Press deserve to play the game before 1569 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:33.840 people who before. 1570 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:35.920 Or with I mean, I respect the decision they made, 1571 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.000 Like I think I'm sure I totally understand that, and 1572 01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:40.960 like it's tough because like some people are in genuinely 1573 01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:42.920 tough physicians with this where it's like you know, like 1574 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:45.840 managing editors and things like that, and companies are like, 1575 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:47.880 you know, if they're saying, like we need a scored 1576 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.000 review asap because this is going to drive a lot 1577 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:51.479 of clicks or whatever. That sucks that you have to 1578 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:54.439 rush through and everything. I think the right answer is, hey, 1579 01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:56.600 have the reviewer take it, take their time with it, 1580 01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:59.239 and review it when it's ready. The ones I really 1581 01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:02.840 sympathize with are the ones, like, especially a game like this, 1582 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:07.079 which the amount of guides for this fucking thing. Oh guy, 1583 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:10.199 he's the best rosary farming location. Here's a guide for 1584 01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:13.319 every fucking one of these fifty bosses or whatever. Here's 1585 01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.880 like all these interactive maps and all these things. And 1586 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.399 like the people that have to put together guides for 1587 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:21.319 this game, which, by the way, that's what all like 1588 01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:23.680 a bunch of fucking sides. One is guide stuff, you know, 1589 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.039 driving traffic and stuff like that, and they are most 1590 01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.760 of the time paying freelancers fucking pennies, and they're expecting 1591 01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:31.840 this shit because like, oh, people are playing it at 1592 01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:34.760 the minute, this game goes live, and we better have 1593 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:38.880 these guides ready. Like that has to be so shitty, 1594 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.199 Like there's so much work on such a crazy timeline 1595 01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:46.760 for nothing, And like I really sympathize with anyone who's 1596 01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:47.520 been putting that situation. 1597 01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:48.359 That fucking sucks. 1598 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:52.119 Guys. Writers keep the lights on many sites, although to 1599 01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:55.359 your point, they're not rewarded commensurate to those efforts. 1600 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:57.640 I mean, I mean whether you're a writer or a 1601 01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:00.239 guide writer or whatever, but like guide writing is an especial. 1602 01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:03.279 Can they can play an open world game or sorry, 1603 01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:05.560 a reviewer can play an open world game and like 1604 01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.920 decide that they've seen enough side content miscellaneous stuff to 1605 01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.439 get an adequate overall view of the game. Guys writers 1606 01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:13.439 don't have that luxury. They have to say, oh, I have. 1607 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:19.119 To go do all of these I have every lost 1608 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:21.479 flee in this game. I need a guide the second 1609 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:22.520 day it's out or whatever. 1610 01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:25.720 I need to go beat. I need to go bea 1611 01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:29.239 do every single cave in Borderlands for because then I 1612 01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:31.800 can't tell people about the six one. So like, yeah, 1613 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.760 that sucks, and I shouldn't sound so callous because I 1614 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:36.920 empathize with the people who are dealing with that when 1615 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.159 they get the game on release day. I think for me, 1616 01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:41.880 it is the entitlement that like it's expected no matter what, 1617 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:44.359 and like that is part of the system of like, Okay, 1618 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:47.880 the developers the publishers should release this beforehand. But to 1619 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:50.720 Mary's point, there are other backers who have been you know, 1620 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:52.479 taken into account here. 1621 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:55.640 So it's I don't fault Team Terry at all. For this, 1622 01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:57.439 and I also don't fault them for we're talking with 1623 01:14:57.479 --> 01:14:59.680 the difficulty stuff. You know that has been a lot 1624 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:02.399 of the course and criticism is how brutal this is, 1625 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:05.680 and you know, it depends on the game, because it's 1626 01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:08.000 like there are things where it's like elden Ring, you 1627 01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:11.520 don't pick a difficulty, and I like that they're very 1628 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.880 confident in kind of the balance of their game, and 1629 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:15.720 you know, there are ways that you can just kind 1630 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:17.439 of like to use it an over level yourself and 1631 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.439 things like that, and you can kind of force your 1632 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:21.560 way through possily then blood Borne, a lot of front 1633 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:24.119 games and everything. I mean, there are the people that 1634 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.640 get mad when it's like, oh, there's an easy mode 1635 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:28.079 for this game, where like I remember it was like 1636 01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:29.920 a fucking thing when I think the first Bayonetta came 1637 01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:31.960 out and it was like there was a mode where 1638 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:33.039 it's like, hey, if you just want to see the 1639 01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:35.199 story and see all the flashy cool stuff in Banetta. 1640 01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:36.800 I forgot what they called the mode, but it was 1641 01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:38.560 just like a super easy mode where you can literally 1642 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:41.479 mash a and just watch Bayonetta do all these fucking 1643 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:43.840 cool combos and stuff that's great, like like let's say, 1644 01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:46.279 you know there's any kind of like disability or you're 1645 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.880 just not don't have the reflexes or the history of 1646 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:50.880 that type of genre or something like that. You just 1647 01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:52.479 want to see, like Baneat is a fucking cool game 1648 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:54.520 to look at, so like you don't need to like 1649 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.439 pass a DMV test to fucking play Bayonetta. You know, 1650 01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:00.920 this is on the more brutal end, And I think 1651 01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:04.199 I don't want every game to be like this, because 1652 01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:07.199 I do think it would shut out a large amount 1653 01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:10.680 of the audience. But I think just in that kind 1654 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:14.319 of like anys kid nostalgic way, let's like I don't 1655 01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:16.600 have an option. Look, I can't go in the options 1656 01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:19.600 and change a pery window or something like that. Like 1657 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:21.920 I kind of like that, like anyone who's gone through 1658 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:24.840 this game has had the same experience. But I also 1659 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.680 understand if someone doesn't like the game because of that. 1660 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:32.119 You know, Yeah, I I'm not as far as you two. 1661 01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:36.640 I think Silksong is a great game so far. And 1662 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:39.159 I've never really talked about Hollow Night on fire Escape, 1663 01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:43.119 but I think that's also a great game. I think 1664 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:48.119 Team Cherry clearly in certain respect has incredible design chops 1665 01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:50.920 when it comes to boss fights. Overall world design, I 1666 01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.199 think they are up there with Fromsoft in terms of 1667 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:56.760 like creating a world that's interconnected in a way where 1668 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:00.479 I feel like I'm rewriting pathways in my brain when 1669 01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:02.000 I play their game, when I play Hollow Night, and 1670 01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:03.720 when I play Silk Song, I feel like, I like 1671 01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:06.560 the games world maps are creating wrinkles in my brain 1672 01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:12.239 that weren't there before. I I think I have a 1673 01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:14.560 similar feeling with Silk Song that I did with Hollow 1674 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:19.239 NIGHTE that sometimes I feel like I'm forgiving Team Cherry 1675 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:23.079 because the they're so good at payoff that I'm forgetting 1676 01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:26.600 that I'm forgiving them for a lot of minor annoyances. 1677 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.319 It's not even the abuselling at times, like there are 1678 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.079 a couple of benches where like, hey, I made it, 1679 01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:32.560 and it's like. 1680 01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:36.560 Yeah, and and like I felt this way with Hollow NIGHTE. 1681 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:39.079 It's like I feel like we talk about Hollow Night 1682 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.319 with reverent terms because it is really fucking good game. 1683 01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:44.720 It's it's up there with one of the best games 1684 01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:49.119 in the last decade. I think it's incredible. I also think, 1685 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:51.359 and I don't I'm kind of putting words in Team 1686 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:53.760 Cherry's mouth or like assuming a lot on their part, 1687 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:59.800 whether intentionally or not, I think they're they're confusing frustration 1688 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:04.359 slash annoyance with challenge. I think I think meaningful challenge 1689 01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.720 is a very tough balance to strike. I think I 1690 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:10.520 think I'm of the opinion that elden Ring, Actually I 1691 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:13.600 love elden Ring. That game is unreal. I still think 1692 01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:16.159 about it to this day every day. I still think 1693 01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:20.680 some parts they made a bit too approachable. I almost 1694 01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:24.920 wanted a bit more mystery, a bit more obstacle in 1695 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:29.720 the way of me getting to my goal, whereas with Silksong, 1696 01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:34.720 just minor enemies are more annoying than they are than 1697 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:38.039 they are challenging. And and like again I'm I'm sure, 1698 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:41.159 and I've I'm I'm doing well in the game. Like 1699 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:43.720 I said, I'm not that far or I'm not as 1700 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:45.800 far as you two. But like I got the glide, 1701 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:47.840 I'm now doing the air vents and whatnot. I thought 1702 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:50.880 that that area was incredible, how they designed that, how 1703 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:54.119 you you literally cannot get back out unless you figure 1704 01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.199 out the right path with the glide. It was great. 1705 01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:59.760 Like as a level design geek, I was geeking out. 1706 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:03.640 I also just think so much the time when I'm 1707 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:06.319 doing run backs or whether I'm just exploring and trying 1708 01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:08.640 to map out the world in my head, which is 1709 01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:10.640 where Hollow Night the first game clash for me as 1710 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.399 well metro Vania aspects, And again this game is also 1711 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:16.800 in a lot of conversation with what it even means 1712 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:18.720 to be a metro Vana. But that's like a whole 1713 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:22.279 other thing. I think I'm trying to build this map 1714 01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:28.199 out in my head and I'm getting annoyances and frustrations 1715 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:32.399 that aren't challenging. They're just more they're chores to do 1716 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:34.560 rather than they are meaningful challenge. 1717 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:36.439 Yeah, I see what you're saying. 1718 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:38.039 Like there are some enemies just like going to run 1719 01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:40.800 back whatever where it's just like a lot of flying enemies. 1720 01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.640 Will be things where it's like, look, this isn't a 1721 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.279 thing where I have to like train and learn myself 1722 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:46.840 with the patterns. It's just like you jump up and 1723 01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:48.640 you try to slip them and they're always backing up 1724 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.079 and stuff like that. Just this is some little asshole 1725 01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:53.159 that takes three hits. Let me just kill them so 1726 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:54.960 I can get past this thing. And it's not like 1727 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.680 a satisfying thing. Yeah, you'll get hit more than you 1728 01:19:57.720 --> 01:19:59.399 should and you just get angry, and it's god damn it. 1729 01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:00.880 Now I have like half my health and I got 1730 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:01.560 out of this boss. 1731 01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:03.800 But the game is so fucked. Team Cherry's so fucking 1732 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.840 good in both of these games, especially Silk Song, that 1733 01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:10.560 they're so good at payoff that I do end up 1734 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:13.159 forgiving them for those small annoyance, not small, for those 1735 01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:16.479 major annoyances, to the point where I'm like, oh god, 1736 01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:20.119 now this game's incredible. But then, like Amanda walks by 1737 01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:22.359 when I'm playing in here, and I'm like, and she's like, 1738 01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:24.680 how are you liking it? And it's become a running gag. 1739 01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:26.399 When she walks by, She's like, do you hate her 1740 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:27.600 or do you love it? I'm like, I love it, 1741 01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.520 And then like twenty minutes later she asked me. I'm like, 1742 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:32.760 this is fucking stupid. Team Cherry like does not know 1743 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:36.239 what they're doing? Like, of course, of course, I'm obviously 1744 01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:37.920 being a dick when I say that. I know they 1745 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:40.000 know what they're doing, but you get what I'm saying, Like, no, 1746 01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:43.079 they don't. They don't understand the difference between meaningful failure 1747 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:47.079 and just fucking being annoying. And yeah, they're definitely trolling 1748 01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:48.439 you at some points when you sit on the bench. 1749 01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:50.920 That en then is a Indiana Jones switch. That Jen 1750 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:53.680 fucks you up when you just finally got there after 1751 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:56.119 not even a run back, just getting through this tough 1752 01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:57.880 area that you were trying to platform through and kill 1753 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:02.760 minor enemies. And the boss fights are great. Some boss 1754 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:06.399 fights kick my ass. Other the the Giant that's kind 1755 01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:08.800 of like the one where you do fall in the 1756 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:10.960 lava when he's punching the platforms. You got the foe 1757 01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:13.720 arms like I did, not Like I got, Yeah, I 1758 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:15.640 got I think I got hit once and I once 1759 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:18.079 shot him. Yeah, And and it was like the spectacle 1760 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:20.039 the I figured it out, Like that was kind of 1761 01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.600 like a gimme on their part. That's like, hey, and 1762 01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:24.800 I'm I'm sure some people had difficulty with that. I 1763 01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:29.239 I just happened to do that boss fight. Yeah, we 1764 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:32.439 get it. I'm way better at games and everybody, and like, 1765 01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:37.239 I you know that that was like kind of every 1766 01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:39.119 once in a while it does feel like they are 1767 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.800 being aware and offering an olive branch and saying like, hey, 1768 01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:46.239 we know you're going through quite a bit. Here's a 1769 01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:49.640 moment of like generosity on our parts. But outside of that, 1770 01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:54.119 I'm also Mary. It's funny we were talking about warfare earlier. 1771 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.159 You're like, that's not what I want out of my 1772 01:21:56.279 --> 01:21:58.600 entertainment right now, Like, and I totally get that. 1773 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:02.399 Getting beat I'm at war three to six hours in 1774 01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:05.520 evening right now with a game that is pushing me 1775 01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:07.560 to my fucking limit, and it is. 1776 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:08.640 It is. 1777 01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:11.239 I've said this a lot. The word that I usually 1778 01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:13.680 have been using to describe this game is brutal. Is 1779 01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.079 brutal to my thumbs, to my mental state, to my patience. 1780 01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:23.520 I am still happy. I sleep good at night. I am, 1781 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.600 I am satisfied. I love this game. 1782 01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:29.039 But it is like it would be a lie to 1783 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.439 say that I love every minute of this game. I 1784 01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.560 am getting through the game, and I am, and I 1785 01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.319 reflect on it, I'm like, I can't believe I accomplish 1786 01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:40.279 that there are sections of platforming that are so fucking 1787 01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:41.399 insane in this game. 1788 01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:50.000 I the ascension that I just did to you, it was. 1789 01:22:52.039 --> 01:22:52.920 All the way on the. 1790 01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:55.399 Left map of the game, in. 1791 01:22:57.119 --> 01:22:58.359 The freezy mountain. 1792 01:22:58.439 --> 01:22:59.279 Yeah, the freezing Yeah. 1793 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.239 I mean I said it so many times I was 1794 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:06.199 like just so brutal, Like we're at different levels of play, 1795 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:08.159 and I'm not that far behind you in terms of 1796 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:10.439 how many hours I put into this. I must have 1797 01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:13.880 spent hours just trying to climb and dying to the 1798 01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:17.039 end before. I was like, there has to be a 1799 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:20.600 bench around here, and I just start hitting random walls. 1800 01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:23.640 Sure is shit. I do hit a random wall. There 1801 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:27.920 is a bench, and it costs eighty dollars that I 1802 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:32.479 don't have because I've been dying in a frozen wasteland. 1803 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:33.560 And so I go. 1804 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:36.760 I take the train, I take my bug train and 1805 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:39.039 I go and I get and I go kill some 1806 01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:41.680 bugs and I get eighty dollars, and I take the 1807 01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.000 bug train back and I run up this fucking mountain 1808 01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:47.399 and I'm freezing my ass off, and I have to 1809 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:50.439 get through this area, this gauntlet with all of. 1810 01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.479 My shit, and I die, and then I have to 1811 01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:56.640 get back and I have to get my shit or 1812 01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:57.920 I have to go. I have to take the train 1813 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.920 back to Bugville. You know this stress that I had 1814 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:01.680 on my body. 1815 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:05.920 When I got back, I cut my silk, got all 1816 01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:08.960 my beads back, and sat on that bench that I bought. 1817 01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:11.840 That's like the best value bench I ever got. 1818 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:13.319 It's like the equivalent of like when you were like 1819 01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:15.680 twelve and you have any fucking money, and your parents 1820 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:17.680 were like, get a job, bitch, And so you work 1821 01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:20.279 really hard and you mow, and you get like fifty 1822 01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:23.119 cents every time you mow, and eventually you have enough 1823 01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:25.920 for McDonald's cheeseburger and it's the best goddamn cheeseburg you've 1824 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:26.800 ever had because you bought it. 1825 01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:28.279 That was that bench. 1826 01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:31.760 This bench was the sweetest bench of my life because 1827 01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:34.000 I earned it. It was so hard and I sat 1828 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:35.279 on and I was just like, oh good. 1829 01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:37.840 And then and then I watched The Great British Bake Off. 1830 01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:40.560 Yeah, I've been watching the new season as well. 1831 01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:42.560 It's the only thing that cures me. 1832 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:44.640 It's a good balance, for sure. 1833 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:47.880 Are opposite of All the Night Mary. I know exactly 1834 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:49.600 what you mean, because, like I, you know, bio water 1835 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:52.039 is an area that everyone hates so much for a 1836 01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:53.920 good reason because like the magns, you fall in, you 1837 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:54.840 can't heal and all that. 1838 01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:56.720 Oh right, you can't heal if you fall in the 1839 01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:59.560 I know exactly what you're talking about. That's a mean area. 1840 01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:02.720 Yeah, there's so much platforming and bullshit enemies and things 1841 01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:06.359 like that, and I desperately wanted a fucking bench. And 1842 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:08.159 I finally got a point where it's like I'm so 1843 01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:10.720 scared because it's like, okay, I got a couple masks 1844 01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:12.560 left of Health, and it's like, okay, I just need 1845 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:14.279 to find the fucking bench. And then I see the 1846 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:16.720 rings that you know, chakra or whatever like leaves, like, 1847 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.359 oh my god, I think I'm your chakra. I think 1848 01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:19.880 I'm gonna be able to buy the map. This won't 1849 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:22.560 be in vain. And then I got for and she's like, 1850 01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:24.239 all right, eighty roachar. 1851 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:26.199 Yeah. 1852 01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:33.079 I used three rosary beads short I had seventy seven, 1853 01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:36.640 and I was like, okay, there's gotta be some fucking here, 1854 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:39.520 and I'm going back and I'm like one floor. 1855 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:41.920 Some tiny slug bugs so that you can buy. 1856 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:45.439 This fuck about And every fucking thing I find is 1857 01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:47.720 just dropping shards. It's like something about buy a water 1858 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:49.840 or whatever, like no one has any fucking rosary beads. 1859 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.600 I put on the tool that makes it in case 1860 01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:54.840 some rosary beads fall or something that will just suck 1861 01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:57.520 up to me or whatever. No, And I'm a half 1862 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:59.800 hour in, I'm still just desperately. Just give me two 1863 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:00.760 fucking beads. 1864 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:01.079 I don't. 1865 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:05.399 And then I finally I like went out of bio water. 1866 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:08.000 I went, I took this, took forever. I found some 1867 01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:09.960 other area where I went in. One of those little 1868 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:11.239 bugs is there, and I killed him and I got 1869 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:12.960 like five or whatever. I was like, oh, thank god, 1870 01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:15.079 I'm gonna go back. And I just backtracked my whole 1871 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:19.840 way back there, and she's fucking gone, She's not there, 1872 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:22.479 Are you kidding me? 1873 01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:26.960 And I had to backtrack all the way to a billway. Yeah, 1874 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:36.079 moved a fucking it was fucking maths. 1875 01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:46.520 Yeah, King Roll guy or whatever, and King God can 1876 01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:48.399 grow the biggest swamp guy or whatever. And he got 1877 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.920 a bunch of ads and the maggots and stuff. King Roll, 1878 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:52.640 I think that's his name for something. 1879 01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:53.960 Next King Hommie. 1880 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:57.479 Oh I get it, King. 1881 01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:08.800 Plant. Yeah. Sure, there's Dave girl a bit. No, this 1882 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.279 is not to me to me, okay, so merritt. You know, 1883 01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:14.840 obviously I came around on Mary. 1884 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:18.640 Podcast. 1885 01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:24.600 I super came around. I came around on Holid night. 1886 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.840 I appreciate the first night I beat the game, So 1887 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:30.239 I definitely didn't feel the need to. 1888 01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:34.520 Like or like totally a situation or anything. 1889 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:36.439 But it's like, Okay, I get it, and like a 1890 01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:38.760 lot of my frustrations still kind of remained. But like 1891 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.920 I think with Silk Song, I think it's an important 1892 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.079 thing if this game turns you out, like the idea 1893 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:45.479 of it and people talking about how brutal it is. 1894 01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:50.239 I think the first ten hours or so are probably 1895 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:53.840 like bosses will get harder, a platform will get harder, 1896 01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:56.239 and things like that. But like at a certain point, 1897 01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.079 you've got more health, you've got more tools, You've got 1898 01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:02.359 basically low doubts that you can set up to make 1899 01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:05.119 things easier in tweaks. So if you're dying and beating 1900 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:07.039 your head against boss whatever, you can be like, all right, 1901 01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:07.720 this isn't working. 1902 01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:08.560 Let's go back here. 1903 01:28:08.720 --> 01:28:10.439 Oh, I'll put on this bell that helps me against 1904 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:12.479 fire tacks because it has fire attacks. I'll use the 1905 01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:13.119 cog flights here. 1906 01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:13.840 Well, I just got this thing. 1907 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:15.960 I'll play, or maybe I'll go and i'll explore for 1908 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:17.880 a while. I'll get a new you know, crest or something, 1909 01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:19.359 and I have a whole new attack style or something like. 1910 01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:22.840 There's there's I almost feel like it gets easier after 1911 01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:25.840 that first hump, because like you don't have options you 1912 01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:28.000 can switch between. Like early on, like it gets like 1913 01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:29.840 you know, the last judge and some of the harder 1914 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:30.920 boss fights and stuff you. 1915 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:31.600 Can't do a lot. 1916 01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:34.119 And by the end, when you've got double jumps and 1917 01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:37.279 glides and air dashes and the fucking like the claw 1918 01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:40.119 thing or whatever, like, you've got so much mobility and 1919 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:41.880 you have so many tools, and hopefully at this point 1920 01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.159 you've got a lot of mask shards and more silk 1921 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:44.840 and things like that. 1922 01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:47.239 Like there's just different ways you can approach it. 1923 01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:50.720 So I do think it lessens the blow a bit 1924 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:52.960 of the harder parts, And so I think for that 1925 01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:55.960 and other reasons, Like I mean with the first one, 1926 01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:59.159 the difficulty wasn't really the thing that ever bothered me 1927 01:28:59.199 --> 01:28:59.439 about it. 1928 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.159 But like, no, I actually I don't even remember. 1929 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:03.640 I think I remember like a couple boss fives being hard, 1930 01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:06.640 or the Gauntlet. Do you remember that where you had 1931 01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:09.640 to do wave after wave after wave That was very 1932 01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:10.439 difficult for me? 1933 01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:12.680 But I think it was optional. I'm pretty sure you 1934 01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:15.159 didn't have to do it anyway. 1935 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:17.439 I just don't have these memories of being like what 1936 01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:21.279 a difficult game. I just remember being challenging. This game 1937 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:23.640 I would describe as difficult. I would say it's not 1938 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:25.840 for the faint of heart. I do love this game, 1939 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.239 and I recommend this game, but I would not recommend 1940 01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:30.239 it for someone who is looking for like a fun, 1941 01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:31.439 casual Metroid Venia. 1942 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:32.680 I don't think that's what this is. 1943 01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:37.920 I think this is like a absolute brutal test of 1944 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:42.319 a game. It will challenge you to your core. It 1945 01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:46.399 is for someone who is looking to be punished, but 1946 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:48.800 I think it's worth it. I do think it's worth 1947 01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:50.880 it to go through it, but it's not for everyone. 1948 01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:53.079 And I think it's brutal in ways that are better 1949 01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:54.920 than the way the first one was, because the first 1950 01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:56.840 one would be a little player unfriendly and things that, 1951 01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:59.479 like the things that frustrated me were more like, Okay, 1952 01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:01.560 I know we're need to go, but the closest fast 1953 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.199 travel station is like I got a fucking hike all 1954 01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:05.880 the way over here, and like you still have to 1955 01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:06.119 do that. 1956 01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:09.279 It's it's not two seems now, which I appreciate. 1957 01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:10.520 Bellwigh and the things. 1958 01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:12.720 Yeah, yeah, they've created new mechanisms. 1959 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:15.239 I think their level design has gotten better to Mike's point, 1960 01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.520 I actually think it's more seamless, where like usually the 1961 01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:20.439 end takes you back to the beginning or to a 1962 01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:24.720 new cool area and it all flows together. Sometimes it's brutal, 1963 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:26.680 but I also think that's also intentional, where they're like, 1964 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:29.880 if you go down this direction, there's no way back, 1965 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:31.359 you have to go all the way and. 1966 01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:34.199 Find the first fucking half hour. That like the fact 1967 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.439 that like all those drops bring you right back to 1968 01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:40.279 where you started. That as someone who needs to try 1969 01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:43.880 every direction to explore, that annoyed me. But like, I 1970 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:45.439 don't know what the lesson was they were trying to 1971 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:48.079 teach me. I'm sure there was one, but the first one. 1972 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:50.399 Was definitely more annoying in that, like it was longer 1973 01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:52.720 hikes to a fast travel or to a bench or whatever. 1974 01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:54.720 And also in a game where like you're not getting 1975 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:58.119 XP as you're right attacking enemies and stuffs, so basically 1976 01:30:58.199 --> 01:31:01.159 like yeah, you'll get some like shard or rosary beads 1977 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:03.399 or something, but ultimately like you're not getting stronger, so 1978 01:31:03.439 --> 01:31:05.319 you're just like, I gotta walk twenty minutes of this 1979 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.880 fucking thing and to what benefit. Whereas this one it's 1980 01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.520 a little quicker between them, and you can attach things 1981 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:13.680 that will help you get more shards and rosary beads 1982 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:15.079 and stuff like that. Like I felt like I was 1983 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.319 wasting less time in this game. To me, it's the 1984 01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.680 difference between like a Metroid and a Super Metroid, where 1985 01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:24.159 it's like Metroid was a great game on the nes 1986 01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:27.439 it established a lot of things that made that series awesome, 1987 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:30.399 but Super Metroid just refined it in a million ways 1988 01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:33.760 and is a much better experience overall. Like that is 1989 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:37.479 I feel like the mobility the move said of Hornet 1990 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:41.319 is so much more interesting. I got the much more interesting. Yeah, 1991 01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:42.720 I got the crest that lets you do the downward 1992 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.319 pogo and all this stuff. I've never equipped it because 1993 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:47.319 it's like I love the fucking diagonal Hunter. 1994 01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:48.560 Oh you like the diagonal? 1995 01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:52.680 I like the Hunter, which is the spin and I 1996 01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:54.880 think that one is just how I've spent most of 1997 01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:55.399 my life. 1998 01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:58.720 Or is that the Reaper or is that the Reaper 1999 01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:00.359 a bunch? And that's like it just kind of does 2000 01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:01.680 an arcing downwards. 2001 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:03.920 Just doesn't arcing down It's so nice for platforms. 2002 01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:06.520 I've done it for some boss fights. The Reaper one's better. 2003 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.039 But like I really like I clicked with the like 2004 01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:11.000 the Pogo stuff like back and forth stuff like that. 2005 01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:15.720 That one's better for damage as well. People like the 2006 01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:18.359 the Pogo one you're talking about. 2007 01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:20.680 Yeah, you just get a bunch of shit in really quick. Yeah. 2008 01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:22.920 Yeah, I just like, like, I know a lot of that, 2009 01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:24.920 like the Hunter's march and buy water, like a lot 2010 01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:27.319 of stuff when you're bouncing off, like flowers and stuff like. 2011 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:29.359 I had a little bit of a learning curve for that, 2012 01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:31.000 but once I got it, it was like, no, actually 2013 01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:32.760 I like this a lot, like kind of like position 2014 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:34.359 in mid air, kind of pause, a little bit hit 2015 01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:35.880 of the gain, and then once you get the claw 2016 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.439 grab thing or whatever, like just I love that mobility 2017 01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:42.600 stuff later in the game. So it's it's uh, it's 2018 01:32:42.600 --> 01:32:43.920 an un grab is. 2019 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:47.239 Where you shoot out the needle and then zip z. 2020 01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:49.720 You can use that for mobility, and you can also 2021 01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:52.000 kind of use it as an attack attack bounce off 2022 01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:53.960 of an enemy and you can bring that into a 2023 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:55.239 pogo situation or whatever. 2024 01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:55.880 That's cool. 2025 01:32:56.079 --> 01:33:00.159 Yeah, I've enjoyed that attack as well. There was so 2026 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:02.119 the last boss fight that I. 2027 01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:06.880 Got really truly, truly truly stuck on. It was right 2028 01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:11.239 after truvio. So it's kind of like the culmination of 2029 01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:15.840 that area. You need to get these different audio reels. 2030 01:33:16.039 --> 01:33:17.680 I forget what they're called, but you need to get 2031 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:19.159 three songs memorized. 2032 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:22.239 Oh sure, yeah, and one of them in this area 2033 01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:26.479 is behind waves of enemy um in the high holes. 2034 01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:27.000 Yeah. 2035 01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:29.640 I want to say, it's like six waves of groups 2036 01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:31.119 of enemies which are brutal. 2037 01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:34.159 I think it's ten, and then a solid mini boss 2038 01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:37.479 and then there's three more maybe four more waves enemies 2039 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:43.079 and then two two of that and that Dan. I mean, 2040 01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:45.800 I must have gone through sixty seventy lives, like I mean, 2041 01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:48.079 I spent days on it. I spent days on it. 2042 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:49.680 I spent days on it. 2043 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:52.640 That was the moment I probably died like ten times 2044 01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:55.279 to it. And I was like, Okay, I know there's 2045 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:58.479 one more pale oil upgrade for my needle I can do. Yeah, 2046 01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:00.800 like I had googled it before, Like, how do I 2047 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:03.239 get the next needle upgrade? Do you have to do 2048 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:05.359 this whole taste of farloom side question? You have to 2049 01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:06.840 get five different things, and one of them is no 2050 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:09.680 courier question. Did you do the fucking courier. 2051 01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:11.079 Quest where you have to run the thing back in 2052 01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:13.239 like five minutes, and like, have you done walls? 2053 01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:16.399 Quists are crazy on Sword from Akarina. 2054 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:20.319 Have you seen the ones where they're like if you 2055 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:24.079 see uh, you'll your tracker like in the Witcher, and 2056 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.199 so you see a body and it's like you hit 2057 01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:29.960 a track button and you see they're like body gases. 2058 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.479 And you have to follow it through all these enemies. 2059 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.199 That's like six things too, and I did the Cogharts. 2060 01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.680 I mean, like these side quests are fascinating and they're 2061 01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:42.880 worth doing, but they are massive detours, massive detours. They 2062 01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:45.800 can sometimes take you hours to get these like little upgrades. 2063 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:46.920 I did every one of them. 2064 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.600 I did everyone because like it's like still kind of 2065 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:52.319 unclearer how you unlock Act three, Like people know certain 2066 01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:54.479 prerequisites and stuff. But like most guides I've seen, it 2067 01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:56.439 been like I don't know, just do most of the 2068 01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:58.479 town quests and so like I was like all right, 2069 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.880 every time, like there's like three base where there's like 2070 01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.239 a quest board and it's always like, oh, get all 2071 01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:05.479 these like purple flowers, get all these things, you know, 2072 01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:08.199 find this merchant or whatever. I did every single one 2073 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.319 of those, and so yeah, it's a lot of hunting 2074 01:35:10.399 --> 01:35:12.279 down stuff and like, I'm proud of you go through 2075 01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:14.560 the belways and get eight silver bells and they just 2076 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:16.800 kind of randomly spawn and like there's so much that 2077 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:17.600 shit you have to do. 2078 01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:20.039 That's really cool. I think like this game. 2079 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:25.439 On the on the good side, like phenomenal at surprising 2080 01:35:25.560 --> 01:35:29.119 you with really fun side quests and kind of mixing 2081 01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:29.439 it up. 2082 01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:33.479 There is a thing that happens that has happened to 2083 01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:35.920 you and me now where like an enemy attacks you 2084 01:35:36.159 --> 01:35:40.039 and then they actually like capture you. That blew my 2085 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:43.880 fucking mind. And I was like, this is this is 2086 01:35:44.039 --> 01:35:47.560 like the type of shit that makes me love video games. 2087 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:49.520 I did not expect this. 2088 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.479 Rethink you're dead, and it's like, oh something else happened. 2089 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:54.960 Yeah, to do this and to like pick me up 2090 01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:57.439 and put me in a new location like this and just. 2091 01:35:57.800 --> 01:36:01.319 As Bloodborne esque, it was awesome, say middle your solid ask, 2092 01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:02.279 but yeah, oh my. 2093 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:05.239 God, it's it's really awesome what they were able to 2094 01:36:05.319 --> 01:36:07.319 pull off in this one. So anyway, I love it. 2095 01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:11.439 I know that we haven't beaten it, which this goes 2096 01:36:11.479 --> 01:36:14.079 against well, you you kind of you've rolled credits at 2097 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:14.880 least Jane. 2098 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:16.479 I've rolled two sets of credits. 2099 01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:19.119 Now I could right it was between I'm not sure, 2100 01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:22.600 but basically, I have beaten the Final Boss twice in 2101 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:26.680 two different ways, and I've unlocked the Act three situation, 2102 01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:28.680 so I've seen two different sets of credits. 2103 01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:33.520 Yeah, I would like to challenge you to fuse this. 2104 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.399 I'd like to challenge all of us to fuse it. 2105 01:36:38.319 --> 01:36:40.359 Okay, I got a number that popped up my head 2106 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:45.439 right away. I think nine point five cool based on 2107 01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:46.279 my twelve hours. 2108 01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.319 Yeah, I think it's fair. I mean, obviously you can 2109 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:50.840 adapt it when you play more. 2110 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:55.800 Uh eight, based on the first twelve hours. 2111 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:02.960 We have, I want to do a nine point five two. 2112 01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:07.720 We've always been like, I've been anti half score. I 2113 01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:10.039 can't give it. I can't give it perfect. 2114 01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:12.600 I've had like some minor foibles with it, but I 2115 01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:14.439 think it's damn close. I think it's like one of 2116 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:17.319 the best games I've played uh in recent years. I'm 2117 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:20.359 I'm obsessed with it, So I think it's a it's 2118 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:21.359 a nine point five. 2119 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:25.479 Oh yeah, I think it's I was talking to Bunk, 2120 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:27.479 and I do think, like, if there's a mount rushmore 2121 01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.640 of Metroidvanie is I think if you asked me. Right now, 2122 01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:34.359 it's Simphony the Night, It's super Metroid. 2123 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:40.359 It is this, and oh boy, I really like. 2124 01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:45.119 Yeah, yeah, you know yeah, like blood Stained or Prince 2125 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:47.239 Persia the New Last Crown or whatever. 2126 01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:52.159 Yeah, I would swap out Prince of Persia for axiom 2127 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:56.119 Verge probably actually the first first actium, yes, second one, 2128 01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:57.800 first the first one? 2129 01:37:58.000 --> 01:37:58.399 So good? 2130 01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:03.479 Now complex is I Without getting into stuff that we'll 2131 01:38:03.479 --> 01:38:05.520 talk about the next episode, some other stuff has pulled 2132 01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:08.399 me away in a way I did not expect same. 2133 01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:14.199 So Silk Song is us. It's great so far. I 2134 01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:16.319 really want to keep playing it again. Every time I 2135 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:18.640 think I'm like ready to give up, not not give 2136 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:20.680 up from challenge, but like give up from like all right, 2137 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:23.680 there is too much frustration here, the payoffs are not 2138 01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:25.760 worth it. I get a big enough payoff and Team 2139 01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:28.920 Sherry again. It feels like it was by design the 2140 01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:32.680 whole time, even though again like I'm I forgive some 2141 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:34.840 little annoyances and then I get the glide, and all 2142 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:36.880 of a sudden, more areas of the map open up, 2143 01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:38.920 and I feel like I'm kind of on my way 2144 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:42.000 in the momentum builds and I love hitting those walls. 2145 01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:46.199 You know, I love from software stuff. I love, you know, 2146 01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:49.239 meaningful failure, trying to figure out what went wrong, trying 2147 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:51.199 to figure out what are some ways I can bolster 2148 01:38:51.439 --> 01:38:55.680 myself my character rather to to make things slightly easier 2149 01:38:55.720 --> 01:38:57.399 the next time. So I want to keep playing this. 2150 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.319 The world's just great. Every time I enter a new biome, 2151 01:39:01.359 --> 01:39:04.560 I'm like, god damn. Like it's not just a biome 2152 01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:06.880 from a narcistic direction. It's like every biome has its 2153 01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:10.159 own specific flavor of like fuck you, you can die 2154 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:10.760 this way. 2155 01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:13.680 And and yeah considering you. 2156 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:16.039 Sorry to interrupt, but it's like also it all has 2157 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:18.960 that kind of underground bug type thing, and even within 2158 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:20.439 that kind of like it's such. 2159 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:21.680 A unique art direction. 2160 01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:24.359 Yeah, I love it. 2161 01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:26.520 I mean right at the beginning when you're dashing through 2162 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:28.600 and those birds are all flying off, it's a gorgeous 2163 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:30.880 every time there. 2164 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:33.920 Yeah, it has moments of beauty and and comedy. 2165 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:38.119 It's so fucking funny. I want to talk about This 2166 01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:42.840 game is hilarious. Fuck what was it? It was? What 2167 01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:46.239 was it? It was another like it was an enemy 2168 01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:48.159 the same size as me. It was a boss fight. 2169 01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:52.000 The Lace, yes, Lace and Lace said something at the 2170 01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:56.359 beginning it's like you're both like are you an enemy? Like, yeah, 2171 01:39:56.680 --> 01:39:58.399 are you gonna are you gonna fight me? And then 2172 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:00.119 all of a sudden, like it just escalates it a 2173 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:02.439 way that feels very believable because both of you you 2174 01:40:02.479 --> 01:40:04.680 could tell they don't want to fight. And I've only 2175 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:07.680 fought Lace once, so don't spoil stuff if I'm assuming 2176 01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:12.800 I'll run into Lace again. But Liken, you're both like, wait, 2177 01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:15.079 you have a sword, but so are you. You're holding it, 2178 01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:16.520 you're pointing at me, and then all of a sudden 2179 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:18.319 you start fighting. You're like, no, I would have rather 2180 01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:20.359 not fought you. This would have been great, but now 2181 01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:21.520 all of a sudden, like you're in a fight, and 2182 01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:24.359 that's a fight took me like five tries. But yeah, 2183 01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:29.119 it's uh, the game's great. I I I like it 2184 01:40:29.239 --> 01:40:31.720 a lot, and I'd still be playing through it like 2185 01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:34.680 as my main thing if other stuff hadn't come up. 2186 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:41.720 But yeah, it's absolutely uh an unapologetic game. I think 2187 01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:43.479 that and everybody can agree. 2188 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:46.560 On yeah, And going into it, I was as I 2189 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:48.640 think neutral as someone could be, where it's like I 2190 01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:50.800 was not caught up in the hype cycle. I was 2191 01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:53.199 aware of It's like just kind of the meme of oh, 2192 01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:55.600 whins silks, I'm going to actually come out, But like 2193 01:40:56.000 --> 01:40:57.600 you know, I liked the first one came around on 2194 01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:00.319 I wasn't like chomping out of the bed, like, oh oh. 2195 01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:01.680 Fucking folk song. It's the biggest thing. 2196 01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:04.520 Like, I went into it completely neutral and I was like, 2197 01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:07.520 I might hate this, I might like it, and it 2198 01:41:07.680 --> 01:41:09.560 really really won me over in a big way, and. 2199 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:12.039 I do consider it. Yeah, one of the best metro 2200 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:12.880 advaniers I've played. 2201 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:17.960 Yeah, I also think are so cute. 2202 01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:20.479 Thank you, Yeah, thank you, and thank you for sending 2203 01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:23.840 so many people to my chat to tell me that 2204 01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:26.600 they really wanted me to play this game because you 2205 01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:27.279 recommended it. 2206 01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:28.680 I mean, I'm glad you listened. 2207 01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:29.600 I'm just glad. Yeah. 2208 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:33.640 That's been really it's been the cherry on top of 2209 01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:36.800 the Sunday of losing the same boss battle fifty times 2210 01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:38.840 in a row in my chat is finally winning and 2211 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:41.520 having someone being like, now, aren't you glad that Dan 2212 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:44.680 recommended this because it's been pretty. 2213 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:49.880 Relentless. I will remember this, Dan, I believe it. 2214 01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:50.520 Yes, I know. 2215 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:56.159 Just give this number one game in the uh under 2216 01:41:56.159 --> 01:41:58.239 the Radar category for Game of the year. 2217 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:00.960 Yeah, out of nowhere thing. 2218 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:05.439 Yeah, shock and awe Dan recommended category. 2219 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:10.000 Yeah, honestly, you should just be prepared because it's gonna 2220 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:11.239 come up multiple times. 2221 01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:14.880 I'll take the name of the year more than we've 2222 01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:18.000 done with five of these or something. Now, Yeah, this 2223 01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:19.720 is just going to be this is. 2224 01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:22.760 Going to be a blood bath. I'm excited about it. 2225 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:25.560 We said that most years, but like this one. And 2226 01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:27.199 if you if you had said this, if you had 2227 01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:27.960 said this too much. 2228 01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:31.079 Ees to like, this is crazy stuff. 2229 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:32.880 Going three Expedition thirty three. 2230 01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:34.960 Not that I've played these, like some of these are 2231 01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:36.920 still under embargo, but I'm just saying, like, these are 2232 01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:39.000 games that are going to be prolific. I know they're 2233 01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:40.560 probably going to come up. I think there's going to 2234 01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:42.079 be like big things to talk about. 2235 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:44.840 If you had said that two months ago, I would 2236 01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:46.159 have been like, no, this is a boring year. But 2237 01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:47.760 all of a sudden, it's really interesting. 2238 01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:48.239 That's what I think. 2239 01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:51.399 I don't know there was a sleeper. Yeah, it's like 2240 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:54.239 the top five or six for me, like any order 2241 01:42:54.359 --> 01:42:56.800 right now I have not figured out. Yeah, it's insane. 2242 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:59.359 Speaking of what's probably going to be in your top three. No, 2243 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:01.359 I shouldn't sa that because I think I think you're 2244 01:43:01.840 --> 01:43:04.840 liking it a decent amount Borderlines four, Dan, you've been 2245 01:43:04.840 --> 01:43:09.119 playing you and I I haven't. 2246 01:43:10.479 --> 01:43:13.000 I would love I will get to it. But a 2247 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:14.680 silk song, lady. 2248 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:18.079 I will give it credit certainly in that it is 2249 01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:21.680 without a doubt better than three in every way. I mean, 2250 01:43:21.680 --> 01:43:23.680 I didn't play a ton of three. I played enough 2251 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:25.920 of it to be like, wow, I am annoyed by 2252 01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:28.560 this game now, Like this, the stuff that worked in 2253 01:43:29.039 --> 01:43:31.279 two thousand and nine, twenty twelve or whatever is just 2254 01:43:31.600 --> 01:43:36.239 gotten old feeling by now in a lot of ways tonally, mechanics, wise, 2255 01:43:36.279 --> 01:43:39.520 and things like that. It's better, Like I think just 2256 01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:41.600 the moment moment playing it is better. Like getting the 2257 01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:44.479 certain mobility stuff like you know, the grapple hook thing, 2258 01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:45.880 the glider and. 2259 01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:47.359 Things like that is good. 2260 01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:50.640 They've toned down on a lot of the very kind 2261 01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:53.600 of like meme redit humor type stuff that was extremely 2262 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:54.840 pervasive in three. 2263 01:43:56.359 --> 01:43:57.159 There's still some of it. 2264 01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:01.039 The two villains were like twin streamers. That was. 2265 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:04.239 Yeah, I and I know they were supposed to be 2266 01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:07.039 like annoying, but like it's not in a good way necessarily. 2267 01:44:08.199 --> 01:44:09.840 I don't know, like if I wanted to, like I 2268 01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:14.159 don't play games online often, if I wanted to play 2269 01:44:14.199 --> 01:44:16.960 a game with three friends where we could just kind 2270 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:19.840 of mindlessly do shit and talk and just kind of 2271 01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:23.079 catch up. This is kind of ideal because like, you 2272 01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:25.720 don't super need to I mean, the story is whatever. 2273 01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:29.079 It's like, there's very clear, like okay, here's the markers 2274 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:31.199 where you need to go. Everyone, Like you could basically 2275 01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:34.159 not even talk about the game and we could play 2276 01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:35.920 together and accomplish things and. 2277 01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:37.039 Talk and everything. 2278 01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:39.520 But to interrupt really quick, I should say, for I 2279 01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:41.520 don't know, I'm sure most people know by this point, 2280 01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:43.239 but for anybody who doesn't know, it is an actual 2281 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:47.520 like open world as opposed to the last three and 2282 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.920 two spinoffs, which were more like MMO zones. So yeah, 2283 01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:53.720 this is an open world. There's a point you get 2284 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:59.039 to where the basically this an ally tells you, Hey, 2285 01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:03.079 there's a bought a villain in this biome. There's a 2286 01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:05.199 villain in this biome. There's a villain in this biome. 2287 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.159 Go at it in whatever order you want, Go kill them, 2288 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:15.119 collect guns, do side quests to that end, and then 2289 01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:18.600 we'll reconvene. So it's very Zelda in that sense. It's like, oh, 2290 01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:20.399 up in the mountains you can go fight this dude, 2291 01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:23.479 and then over in the desert you fight her. So yeah, 2292 01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:25.279 just to lay out the structure. 2293 01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:28.680 Yeah, but then it's like, you know, when you boil 2294 01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:30.840 it down, it there's just a lot of like shooting 2295 01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:34.199 at everything you see. And then between it you kind 2296 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:35.760 of go around to the battlefield and there's a million 2297 01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:38.039 guns laying around and you're like, all right, these are 2298 01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:41.119 green arrows. Oh, that one's got acid, this one's got shock. 2299 01:45:41.640 --> 01:45:43.600 I love those green arrows. That's how you know when 2300 01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:44.119 it's good. 2301 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:47.520 Yeah, but it's not really interesting because there's you know, 2302 01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:50.439 you got shields, you got your guns, you've got your grenades, 2303 01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:53.439 you've got all these different things, and it's like it's 2304 01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:55.600 just a lot of looking at a bunch of numbers. 2305 01:45:55.760 --> 01:45:57.760 And then like when you level up, you go to 2306 01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:00.239 your skill tree and stuff and it's like, all right, 2307 01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:03.880 this one does a plus point two five percent of 2308 01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:06.960 this when I reload, and it's just like, okay, I'll 2309 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:09.279 get this ability. I don't know if it's gonna like 2310 01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:11.880 if I will feel any different about you know, Like 2311 01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:13.840 I don't know if I'll notice this, you know, going 2312 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.279 board where it's like the stuff and like hollow night 2313 01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:18.039 and stuff to bring up soilk hung in is that 2314 01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:20.800 like you get something and it's like, oh, things are 2315 01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:23.359 different now, Okay, I need to rethink where I can 2316 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:25.640 get to and everything. And very very different games obviously, 2317 01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:29.479 but like I don't know, just the very incremental upgrade 2318 01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:32.319 level up type stuff is not super satisfying to me. 2319 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:37.159 I like it in Borderlands when there's more gimmicky weapons 2320 01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:40.600 where it's like this one shoots three spinning rockets that 2321 01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:42.720 all have corrosive damage and stuff like that. But like 2322 01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:44.399 I don't know, in the first several hours of this game, 2323 01:46:44.439 --> 01:46:46.800 it's a lot of like, ah, this is soul rifle 2324 01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:49.039 does a little bit more damaged and has a little 2325 01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:53.479 slower fire rate. Okay, sure whatever, so the same It's 2326 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:55.479 it is very very Borderlands. 2327 01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:57.920 Do they have any like stupid guns though, like ones 2328 01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:02.119 that like you know, out grenades that explode and then 2329 01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:05.279 when the gun runs out of bullets it becomes a 2330 01:47:05.319 --> 01:47:06.479 grenade and you throw it. 2331 01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:08.359 I you know what I mean that. 2332 01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:12.239 Yeah, they had the whole like different like gun brands 2333 01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:14.239 and stuff and like all these guns instead of reloading, 2334 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:16.000 you throw it and they blow up and you make 2335 01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:16.760 a new one or whatever. 2336 01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:18.159 Yeah, I like my. 2337 01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:19.680 Memory with it where I was like, this is a 2338 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:22.199 crazy gun. These guys are crazy. You're not allowed to 2339 01:47:22.239 --> 01:47:24.840 do this. They would do it. They broke the gun rules. 2340 01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:28.279 I'm still I would say early on, and like most 2341 01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:30.760 of them have just been like assault rifles and SMGs 2342 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:34.000 and sniper rifles and pistols that are like different stats 2343 01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:36.720 of Like I'm sure those crazier guns are out there. 2344 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:38.840 I haven't seen them yet, and I'll just say that, 2345 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:41.760 like nothing about the game has like in the face 2346 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:44.199 of like right now is one of the craziest times 2347 01:47:44.239 --> 01:47:47.039 of Like there are like five or six different games 2348 01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:50.680 I have downloaded or I have started playing, and ones 2349 01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:53.119 that are doing crazy awesome stuff that I'm like loving 2350 01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:57.640 or whatever. Quarterlands for is absolutely not a priority for 2351 01:47:57.760 --> 01:47:59.359 me to go back and play more of right now. 2352 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:02.640 It's low low low on the list and face everything 2353 01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:04.880 else I'm playing, So I don't know if I'll go 2354 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:05.239 back to it. 2355 01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:08.479 I you know, I hey, kudos to them. It's better 2356 01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:09.399 than three for sure. 2357 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:12.520 I'm sure fans of Borderlands they're just kind of like 2358 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:14.239 one excuse shoot stuff and talk to their friends. 2359 01:48:14.399 --> 01:48:18.520 It'll be great for that. It's not. Yeah, I don't know. 2360 01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:19.720 I don't know if I'll play more of it. 2361 01:48:20.760 --> 01:48:25.359 Yeah, it's I I will say, I feel like I 2362 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:27.760 did start getting a lot of guns that actually felt 2363 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:31.159 less like stat upgrades and more like functional changes. I 2364 01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:33.279 will say, I do think it backloads a lot of them. 2365 01:48:34.159 --> 01:48:36.960 I think you start getting that the game really wants 2366 01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.640 you to reach max level cap and then start doing 2367 01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:44.079 endgame stuff, which three did two, And I think three's 2368 01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:46.239 endgame was actually really good. I played three a lot. 2369 01:48:46.439 --> 01:48:50.880 I couldn't stomach any of the story either. I just 2370 01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:52.640 kind of turned that off and listen to podcasts until 2371 01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:54.119 I got to endgame, and I thought the endgame was 2372 01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:59.920 great in that game. But I I think it's fun 2373 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:03.960 because this game, now that Borderlands is open world, it's like, oh, 2374 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:08.239 this feels like it could have happened six years ago. 2375 01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:09.760 It's still that's the thing. 2376 01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:12.439 It's still like they've made movements to make it feel 2377 01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:14.239 more modern, but it still feels old. 2378 01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:18.600 Yes, I will say I still think I will I 2379 01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:21.279 will put Borderlands three in this up there with like 2380 01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:24.279 Destiny in terms of some of the best feeling shooters 2381 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:27.399 on controllers. I think this feels incredible. Yeah, which is 2382 01:49:27.439 --> 01:49:30.960 no easy task, but like I will also say, yeah, 2383 01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:35.279 a lot of the abilities are absolutely like I like, 2384 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:37.760 you look at Path of Exile two, you look at 2385 01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:42.199 even Diablo four. I'm trying to think of other loot 2386 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:46.319 shooter games like the I think Remnant two did a 2387 01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:51.479 really good job of those incremental upgrades. Still, you notice 2388 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:55.159 the difference Borderlands four. I think there's a there's like 2389 01:49:55.279 --> 01:49:59.039 every five levels you notice a slight difference because there's 2390 01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:04.239 some really cool center. I played the grav what's her name, Harlow, 2391 01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:07.079 the GRAVI she uses like a gravity bomb. I was 2392 01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:09.800 using her gravity bomb. They each have three skill trees, 2393 01:50:09.840 --> 01:50:13.039 so there's really cool synergies between some of those skill trees. 2394 01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:15.880 But you do have to go through some very minor 2395 01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:19.079 stat bumps. 2396 01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:21.399 And I say bomb, like, there will be like five 2397 01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:23.520 levels in a row where it's not exciting to level 2398 01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:23.960 level yet. 2399 01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:25.239 All right, I'm just trying to get to the next 2400 01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:25.680 like layer. 2401 01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:28.479 Yeah, obviously, if you took your character at level one 2402 01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:30.279 and then you took your character at level fifty and 2403 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:32.279 you compare them, you're like, oh fuck, I built a 2404 01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:35.760 completely new character, but it's so seldom does feel like 2405 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:41.079 you're making a major bump, which Diablo four when it 2406 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.880 first released had that problem as well. Then they revamped 2407 01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:46.000 it and now and I've talked about d before. I 2408 01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:48.119 think at some point, when things die down, we should 2409 01:50:48.119 --> 01:50:50.880 all play that game together, because I think they did 2410 01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:55.279 some really interesting stuff to make those upgrades feel impactful 2411 01:50:55.399 --> 01:50:58.399 and actually changing how your character worked. And I do 2412 01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:00.640 think Borderlines four takes a bit too long to get 2413 01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:04.920 to those I agree wholeheartedly with that. I think the 2414 01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:11.399 world's interesting as it can be. I like the villains. 2415 01:51:11.439 --> 01:51:14.319 You're Dan, how far are you out of curiosity? 2416 01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:15.680 Less than five hours? 2417 01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:18.960 I would say, Okay, So I will say I think 2418 01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:22.439 the game's story, although the story I don't love. It's like, basically, 2419 01:51:22.760 --> 01:51:25.279 you've got the Timekeepers, the ultimate boss in this city 2420 01:51:25.319 --> 01:51:27.800 in the center of the map. You're also hunting down 2421 01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:31.720 these three like his three lieutenants around the map. You 2422 01:51:31.920 --> 01:51:33.760 start to pursue each of them, and I actually think 2423 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:35.880 the game does some cool things story wise with like 2424 01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:41.000 oh this this boss also might not be super on 2425 01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:43.119 board with some of the shit the villain's doing and 2426 01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:46.800 might also be fomenting its own rebellion. So it does 2427 01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:48.720 cool stuff like that to shake up the pacing a bit, 2428 01:51:49.239 --> 01:51:51.239 not enough. Again, I don't think that's going to be 2429 01:51:51.319 --> 01:51:52.399 like a thing to pull you through the. 2430 01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:54.439 Game, but yeah it. 2431 01:51:56.840 --> 01:52:01.159 I think it did. I prove a lot on three 2432 01:52:01.359 --> 01:52:04.520 for sure. I would actually argue the end game kind 2433 01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:07.680 of took a step back as someone who played a 2434 01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:09.960 lot of three end game, like because I'm a fucking weirdo. 2435 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:15.319 So yeah, I'm not gonna play another I'm not gonna 2436 01:52:15.319 --> 01:52:16.880 play another hour of this game for a while. I 2437 01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:19.560 do want to try other characters at some point maybe, 2438 01:52:19.680 --> 01:52:22.920 but yeah, it's a you know, like if you didn't 2439 01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:26.439 put a lot of hours into that already, then Silk 2440 01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:31.119 Song and we've got Yote coming up, We've got Octopath Traveler, 2441 01:52:31.159 --> 01:52:33.119 We've got a lot coming up. So it's Hades two 2442 01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:35.760 and like three days from now if you're listening to 2443 01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:36.359 this episode. 2444 01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:39.479 So some big bangers coming out. 2445 01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:44.279 So it's I think Borderlands four is commendable for a 2446 01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:46.199 lot of the improvements it made, but it's also like, 2447 01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:49.680 I don't think it's going to change your mind on Borderlands. No, definitely, 2448 01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:53.079 So yeah, I'm I totally get that for sure. 2449 01:52:53.239 --> 01:52:55.960 I just have such a strong history with border Lands, 2450 01:52:56.039 --> 01:52:58.760 Like I've always loved their wacky antics and their silly 2451 01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:02.920 gun and like running around not caring. I think, like 2452 01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:05.079 you were saying, Dan, it's friend slop, and to a 2453 01:53:05.159 --> 01:53:07.640 degree it might be the originators of friends slop because 2454 01:53:07.640 --> 01:53:10.640 I never took that game seriously and they didn't take 2455 01:53:10.640 --> 01:53:11.439 themselves seriously. 2456 01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:12.439 I remember how many times. 2457 01:53:12.239 --> 01:53:14.640 They would have like a boss who would like act 2458 01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.399 so tough and then like self implode with one bullet, 2459 01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:18.640 Like they were funny. 2460 01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:20.239 That game is cheeky. 2461 01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:23.319 But yeah, tonally they didn't take it seriously. But like 2462 01:53:23.399 --> 01:53:26.079 I think underneath that there were really great kind of 2463 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:29.079 mechanics and the different builds you could make, and like, yeah, 2464 01:53:29.800 --> 01:53:32.600 it didn't the humor in the tone was not serious, 2465 01:53:32.720 --> 01:53:34.840 but as a game it was a co op game, 2466 01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:35.640 it was fantastic. 2467 01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:39.239 Yeah, yeah, I agree. I'm still tempted. 2468 01:53:39.359 --> 01:53:43.119 I love stuff like that, and it is like a 2469 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:47.680 playful world, so I'd like to get into it. It's 2470 01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:51.079 it's just a really challenging time. How dare all these 2471 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:52.159 games come out? 2472 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:56.920 Yeah? I guess is there any if there's no other 2473 01:53:57.159 --> 01:53:58.840 major thing people want to talk about? I do think 2474 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:00.520 I know, we have a few others we want to 2475 01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:01.479 like hit quickly. 2476 01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:05.159 I think, sure, next episode and there's some embargo stuff 2477 01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:06.720 that will lift that we can kind of go into. 2478 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:11.239 Next episode will be Hades two. Next episode, Yota, I 2479 01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.479 think will be out by that point. I think so, yeah, 2480 01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:17.439 so there'll be a lot of episodes. But Mary, you 2481 01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:20.920 and I both I believe dabbled with Shinobi because Dan 2482 01:54:21.039 --> 01:54:23.279 was going hard on recommending it and I did again 2483 01:54:23.399 --> 01:54:26.359 same thing. I literally played it. I was playing that 2484 01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:29.439 interchangeably with Silk Song at first, and Dan I was 2485 01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:32.279 messaging you, I was like, holy shit, Chanoby rules, like 2486 01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:34.880 right off the bat, like, yeah, I've only played two 2487 01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:38.159 hours of it and it already hooked me. It feels amazing. 2488 01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:42.880 It like it's so good at onboarding you with skills 2489 01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:44.720 you have at your disposal, and then just kind of 2490 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:46.560 letting you run wild, and all of a sudden you 2491 01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:49.720 have this ability that just literally you dart to everybody 2492 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:52.199 in the screen and murder them. If you've played well 2493 01:54:52.319 --> 01:54:54.319 enough up to that point, that doesn't stop. 2494 01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:57.000 I mean the entire game, it's just one thing after another, 2495 01:54:57.119 --> 01:54:59.000 like oh shit, that's awesome, Oh shit, that's awesome. 2496 01:54:59.159 --> 01:55:01.800 Literally the The literal only reason I stopped is because 2497 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:04.319 I there's no way you can just dabble with Silksong. 2498 01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:10.560 You need to go all in. So Schanoby is number 2499 01:55:12.119 --> 01:55:14.239 outside of this other stuff I'm playing. I'd say Silksong 2500 01:55:14.359 --> 01:55:17.520 is number one on my backlog. Shanoby is right behind it. 2501 01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:20.920 But like, Schanobi felt like such a breath of fresh 2502 01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:24.319 air from Silksong in a way that again apples and oranges, 2503 01:55:24.359 --> 01:55:25.359 they're not going for the same thing. 2504 01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:27.560 Well, you were the one in power in Shanoby. 2505 01:55:27.760 --> 01:55:31.880 In Silksong, it's a power fantasy for sure. There's some challenge, 2506 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.720 for sure, don't get me wrong, But like, yeah, and 2507 01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:37.359 I'm still wrapping my head around how the game is structured. 2508 01:55:37.800 --> 01:55:41.199 To me, it feels like a Metrodvania divided into different zones. 2509 01:55:41.439 --> 01:55:44.319 Do you ever play an Order of Ecclesiasvania? Yeah, so 2510 01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:46.920 that was different than standard Cakeslovania, and that instead of 2511 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:50.880 one giant map, it was like little sectioned off maps. 2512 01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:53.720 So it's like Metrovanias but in tiny little chunks, yeah, 2513 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:56.439 that are not necessarily connected by hallways and stuff like that. 2514 01:55:56.600 --> 01:55:59.000 So it's like Order of Ecclesia basically for sure. 2515 01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:02.039 So now I'm like, oh man, I really want to 2516 01:56:02.079 --> 01:56:05.039 dig into Shinoby and fully immerse myself in that, And 2517 01:56:05.119 --> 01:56:06.760 I also want to do it Silk Song, and there's 2518 01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:10.960 such different games. I gotta I will do that for 2519 01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:12.920 both of them before a Game of the Year, because 2520 01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:17.680 Shinnoby already is speaking my language on many levels. The 2521 01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:24.319 platforming feels great. The platforming itself is very compelling. The 2522 01:56:24.399 --> 01:56:29.800 platforming it strikes that really good balance between action reactive 2523 01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:34.880 platforming and puzzle solving platforming. So I'm already like, I 2524 01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:37.840 really want to fucking know how to open that trapdoor, 2525 01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.880 like it it's got it tooks in me and I 2526 01:56:40.920 --> 01:56:43.319 would be playing that fully if it weren't for everything 2527 01:56:43.359 --> 01:56:46.760 else going on. But like, yeah, it also, just like 2528 01:56:47.159 --> 01:56:50.560 breakneck Pace, does not let off the brakes in the 2529 01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:53.239 first two hours the whole time. I'm assuming it probably 2530 01:56:53.399 --> 01:56:57.399 won't the whole time. I've never played it. I don't 2531 01:56:57.399 --> 01:56:59.720 think I've played I've touched a Shanoby game before. 2532 01:57:00.960 --> 01:57:04.319 Yeah, yeah, my first I'm enjoying it too. 2533 01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:06.720 It is for me very difficult to go back and 2534 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:09.119 forth between this and Silk Song because the moves are 2535 01:57:09.239 --> 01:57:09.720 very different. 2536 01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:13.680 I find myself warfare and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. 2537 01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:19.199 I am like, I'm dashing when I mean to be Yeah, attacking, 2538 01:57:19.319 --> 01:57:21.199 I'm very confused, so I don't like doing that. 2539 01:57:21.359 --> 01:57:23.239 But in the three hours that I've spent with it, 2540 01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:28.800 I've really enjoyed. Visually, this game is stunning. I absolutely 2541 01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:31.319 love I got a knee up. 2542 01:57:31.399 --> 01:57:36.239 From a roll yeah yeah, and it looks so good. 2543 01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:39.560 It looks so good that I use it even if 2544 01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:41.840 it's not appropriate, because I'm like, check out how good 2545 01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:42.399 this looks. 2546 01:57:42.479 --> 01:57:42.520 Like. 2547 01:57:42.720 --> 01:57:44.479 You laun in the air, jump up. 2548 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:47.720 You can keep them up in the air. You slamming 2549 01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:50.640 them down using a jump and then a heavy attack 2550 01:57:50.800 --> 01:57:55.359 down very fun, super effective, and again like doing using 2551 01:57:55.399 --> 01:57:58.640 the environment, so knocking them off cliffs, knocking them into spikes, 2552 01:57:58.720 --> 01:58:03.520 like oh, hitting barrels that then explode at them. Juicy, 2553 01:58:03.800 --> 01:58:06.840 super fun. I'm loving that aspect of it. I love 2554 01:58:06.880 --> 01:58:08.920 that there are these skulls and areas that if you 2555 01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:12.000 find them, you basically have to kill everything in that space. 2556 01:58:12.119 --> 01:58:15.760 Those unlack special medallions. I think that give you other things. 2557 01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:20.560 I do really like all these fun pieces that they've 2558 01:58:20.600 --> 01:58:23.000 put into every level so that you're not just getting 2559 01:58:23.039 --> 01:58:25.720 through the level, you're kind of exploring and experimenting and 2560 01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:29.119 finding little challenges everywhere. Some of them are platforming, some 2561 01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:31.640 of them are combat, which is like my DNA, like 2562 01:58:31.680 --> 01:58:33.520 that is my core of like, yes, you're gonna make 2563 01:58:33.560 --> 01:58:36.640 me happy. My biggest issue so far has just been 2564 01:58:37.239 --> 01:58:41.159 every reward is like, here's six new moves, and I'm like, okay, 2565 01:58:41.439 --> 01:58:43.159 I haven't memorized the last forty. 2566 01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:45.600 I don't know if I can handle anymore. And they 2567 01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:48.720 just keep they keep giving me more shit to memorize, 2568 01:58:48.720 --> 01:58:50.960 and so like there was this time where they had 2569 01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:54.760 given me this move. There's like water based, fire based, 2570 01:58:54.800 --> 01:58:58.479 electric based moves Avatar using your bumpers. You have to 2571 01:58:58.520 --> 01:59:01.680 use left and right bumper and then and then the 2572 01:59:01.800 --> 01:59:04.720 button of the element that you're looking for. And I 2573 01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:07.319 kept accidentally, like you know, pressing water when I wanted 2574 01:59:07.399 --> 01:59:10.760 fire whatever. And then like like not even like ten 2575 01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:12.760 minutes later, they were like and now and oh, which 2576 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:14.479 is like your left trigger and your right trigger. And 2577 01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:18.119 I was like, bitch, I just learned this one. 2578 01:59:18.199 --> 01:59:20.000 And I just kind of breathe a fireball. 2579 01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:24.880 Now, yeah, give me a second. This have you done 2580 01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:29.399 the giant face boss. He looks like Oma Tech or whatever, 2581 01:59:30.399 --> 01:59:31.359 and he keeps saying. 2582 01:59:31.199 --> 01:59:37.880 Like, show me what you got. I'm almost he's a face. 2583 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:40.119 He's a face on a wall. He's a face on 2584 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:41.880 a wall. And he spits balls. 2585 01:59:41.600 --> 01:59:42.159 Out of his mouth. 2586 01:59:42.239 --> 01:59:43.439 Yes, yes, yes, you did do that. 2587 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:47.439 Yes, yes, okay, and he literally just says like show 2588 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:51.039 me your power. You're about to true power. He's so annoying. 2589 01:59:51.079 --> 01:59:53.800 Anyway, I can't tell you many times I could have 2590 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:55.479 easily gotten through this boss much faster. 2591 01:59:55.920 --> 01:59:57.159 But every once in a while I would do this 2592 01:59:57.279 --> 01:59:58.960 boss and I would be like, right, I want to 2593 01:59:59.039 --> 02:00:01.640 do the fire and then I'd get attacked by lightning 2594 02:00:01.680 --> 02:00:03.479 and I was like, no, you have to be faster. 2595 02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:05.960 I have to basically before I get into a boss fight, 2596 02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:11.840 memorize which moves I want on which buttons and practice them, 2597 02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:14.319 because in real time in these boss fights, I was 2598 02:00:14.359 --> 02:00:18.720 actually getting overwhelmed with which moves I wanted and which 2599 02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:21.159 buttons resulted in the moves that I wanted, and so 2600 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:23.000 that was a bit frustrating. For Other than that, I 2601 02:00:23.079 --> 02:00:25.000 think I'm just like loving this game, and I think 2602 02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:27.399 it's a funny criticism to be like, you're giving me 2603 02:00:27.479 --> 02:00:28.279 too many moves. 2604 02:00:28.520 --> 02:00:31.720 I'm just pacing to that too. It's like I've already 2605 02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:34.159 resigned myself to I'm probably going to restart this game 2606 02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:36.640 when I go back. I have no qualms with that, 2607 02:00:36.760 --> 02:00:39.680 because I'm the first couple hours were so fun to 2608 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:42.960 begin with. I don't mind. But yeah, it's one of 2609 02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:45.680 those things where it's it's okay, I just learned how 2610 02:00:45.680 --> 02:00:47.479 to breathe a fireball, and now I learned how to 2611 02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:49.319 attack everybody on screen. It's good. I can wrap my 2612 02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:51.800 head around that for another you know, stage or two 2613 02:00:52.359 --> 02:00:55.680 or screen or two rather, but then now it's showing 2614 02:00:55.720 --> 02:00:58.600 you how to I will also say the way you 2615 02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:02.760 can attack and dodge in one mid air role, and 2616 02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:05.359 now I want every fucking game to have that, including 2617 02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:07.760 from Soft. Like that's one of those things you wish 2618 02:01:07.840 --> 02:01:11.159 you could do in like elden Ring, but you can't. 2619 02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:13.680 It feels like a quality of life dodge. It's it's 2620 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:17.800 really good. This game feels so fucking good. Yeah, I've 2621 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:20.199 already resigned myself to starting over Mary because, like I agree, 2622 02:01:20.279 --> 02:01:23.399 it does throw shit at you really quickly, and it's 2623 02:01:23.439 --> 02:01:26.079 the polar opposite of silk song or silk songs. Like, 2624 02:01:26.319 --> 02:01:29.600 here's one thing master this over an hour before you 2625 02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:32.079 get a new thing. Really a lot of frustration, a 2626 02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:34.159 lot of challenge, a lot of like it's gonna require 2627 02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:37.000 some resolve on your parts and dedication, where she'd always like, 2628 02:01:37.640 --> 02:01:40.079 all right, we trust that you know how to fucking eliminate. 2629 02:01:40.119 --> 02:01:43.720 You got two medallions. Here's six moves. We're so proud 2630 02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:44.560 of you, we love you. 2631 02:01:46.199 --> 02:01:47.680 It's such a power song. 2632 02:01:47.800 --> 02:01:48.000 Mom. 2633 02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:50.279 I've been like eight hours in a boss and it's like, 2634 02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:53.720 you get nothing. We didn't even put anything here. 2635 02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:57.039 We hate you, like like drinks. 2636 02:01:57.119 --> 02:01:57.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2637 02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:02.199 Like there's a complete opposite types of development studios, Like 2638 02:02:02.279 --> 02:02:06.840 they just want to harm you, and Shnoby is constantly 2639 02:02:06.920 --> 02:02:09.159 giving me gifts and I'm like, my pockets are full, 2640 02:02:09.640 --> 02:02:11.600 I don't want anything else, Grandma. 2641 02:02:11.560 --> 02:02:14.680 It's all leave me alone. It's great, it's I love 2642 02:02:14.760 --> 02:02:15.239 it for it. 2643 02:02:15.359 --> 02:02:17.560 If somebody is having like if silk Song is not 2644 02:02:17.640 --> 02:02:19.720 clicking for someone and it's just too brutal or whatever, 2645 02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:25.279 I cannot imagine that better palate cleanser A yeah, some 2646 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:28.520 similar ish you know, like two D kind of exploring 2647 02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:30.960 tips off, but like you are the one killing everything 2648 02:02:31.000 --> 02:02:31.920 in Shnoby. 2649 02:02:31.960 --> 02:02:39.680 It's Barmenheimer, but with Ninja's Yeah, that's so sweet. 2650 02:02:39.880 --> 02:02:40.399 That's good. 2651 02:02:40.640 --> 02:02:43.520 That's a really good comparison. I think they're both hard 2652 02:02:43.600 --> 02:02:46.880 to like. I've been tested in Shnoby. I just think 2653 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:47.760 it's more graceful. 2654 02:02:47.840 --> 02:02:48.439 It's kinder. 2655 02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:51.039 It's like not putting, it's not giving me anything that 2656 02:02:51.079 --> 02:02:53.319 I can't figure out. There are times in Hollow Night 2657 02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:56.000 where I'm like, it's impossible, it can't be done. They've 2658 02:02:56.039 --> 02:02:58.199 obviously made this game impossible just to. 2659 02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:01.640 Fuck with me becoming John mulaney talking about that game. 2660 02:03:01.720 --> 02:03:05.119 Did anybody else hear that it can't be done? It's impossible, 2661 02:03:05.159 --> 02:03:08.479 it can't be It's impossible. I've got a nice suit 2662 02:03:08.600 --> 02:03:13.000 that's being tailored. I gotta go pick it up more 2663 02:03:13.039 --> 02:03:15.479 than John Mulaney did. 2664 02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:17.039 In a way, it depends on how much cocaine you 2665 02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:17.479 give them. 2666 02:03:18.039 --> 02:03:24.960 I'm no, I'm clean now these days. Girl. Yeah, but 2667 02:03:25.039 --> 02:03:30.199 Ioby uh Dan Praier recommendation. Immediately, it was like, yeah, 2668 02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:30.960 this game rules. 2669 02:03:31.359 --> 02:03:32.960 It's good. I want to play more of it. 2670 02:03:33.319 --> 02:03:34.920 After those like first two hours, like just. 2671 02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:37.479 It only gets better. 2672 02:03:37.640 --> 02:03:39.960 I also think, like for a long plane ride, I 2673 02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:43.199 personally don't know if Hollow Night is going to be 2674 02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:46.399 that for me because I could see myself getting. 2675 02:03:46.199 --> 02:03:49.880 Really plane ride seem way longer, yeah, like a. 2676 02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:53.319 Jail, Whereas I think Shanoby is going to be like, ah, 2677 02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:56.239 I have eight hours to enjoy this universe and fun 2678 02:03:56.319 --> 02:03:58.159 shit up like that is going to be a nice 2679 02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:00.199 palate cleanser for me. So I think that is what 2680 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:02.439 I'm going to be playing more of. I've just been 2681 02:04:02.640 --> 02:04:06.439 trying to get. I think I'm closed Dan, but I 2682 02:04:07.079 --> 02:04:08.640 I don't. Actually I have not looked. 2683 02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:11.079 Up like where I'm at, but I am at Yeah, 2684 02:04:11.239 --> 02:04:13.319 I'm at well now, I don't know if I can 2685 02:04:13.359 --> 02:04:14.399 say it silk. 2686 02:04:14.199 --> 02:04:19.359 Song or snowby Silk Song. I mean we've been spoiling, right, 2687 02:04:19.479 --> 02:04:23.760 I'm at the I'm at least the second time. 2688 02:04:24.119 --> 02:04:24.399 Second. 2689 02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:26.880 Oh damn it, it's what I said. That's why I'm 2690 02:04:26.920 --> 02:04:28.720 trying to say, Oh, you were worried about me. 2691 02:04:29.720 --> 02:04:32.399 It's the one thing, the one thing you said you 2692 02:04:32.439 --> 02:04:36.359 didn't want to know. Well, I ran into her again 2693 02:04:36.560 --> 02:04:38.000 and she still pissed. 2694 02:04:40.119 --> 02:04:40.920 Credits at all yet? 2695 02:04:41.039 --> 02:04:44.439 Right, No, I don't think So, okay, can you be 2696 02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:47.239 do credits without Yeah that's spoiler. 2697 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:49.439 Yeah, I mean I think I know we were going 2698 02:04:49.479 --> 02:04:51.399 to ask and like, yes, you can see credits and 2699 02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:53.800 then have another like I'll tell you this, I got 2700 02:04:53.840 --> 02:04:57.119 credits around thirty two hours. I didn't see the Act 2701 02:04:57.159 --> 02:04:59.600 three slide until forty hours, Right, did you get? 2702 02:04:59.760 --> 02:05:00.439 And are there? 2703 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:00.560 Like? 2704 02:05:00.640 --> 02:05:01.039 Same thing? 2705 02:05:01.079 --> 02:05:03.760 That's bad ending And it's at that point if you're 2706 02:05:03.800 --> 02:05:05.199 not if you didn't finish the game. 2707 02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:07.359 Some games do that and have like a bonus, you know. 2708 02:05:07.520 --> 02:05:10.039 Right, But it's act three. It's not epilogue. 2709 02:05:11.199 --> 02:05:12.520 Act three is basically an epilogue. 2710 02:05:12.560 --> 02:05:14.560 I'm on to cherry. I don't think that there's know 2711 02:05:14.640 --> 02:05:16.159 what they're doing. I think they're just a bunch of 2712 02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:17.760 rookies who are just like, oh, let's. 2713 02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:20.239 Make let's make things hard and frustrated. 2714 02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:22.119 Here. 2715 02:05:22.560 --> 02:05:26.199 Oh oh, are you so mad? 2716 02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:29.239 I don't know to fucking roll credits at the end 2717 02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:30.359 like a normal boy. 2718 02:05:32.720 --> 02:05:33.439 It's the encore. 2719 02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:37.079 Okay, that's better call it an encore. That'd be awesome. Uh. 2720 02:05:37.319 --> 02:05:38.960 You want to do some talk about emails? 2721 02:05:39.640 --> 02:05:39.840 Yeah? 2722 02:05:39.880 --> 02:05:45.079 I love yeah, eating them, thinking about them? 2723 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:47.960 Okay. As always, you can write into fire Escape cast 2724 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:52.720 at gmail dot com for questions, comments, concerns. Uh. We 2725 02:05:53.079 --> 02:05:56.640 have quite a few responses. From last episode. Dan had 2726 02:05:57.199 --> 02:05:59.720 mentioned that he was trying to figure out if he 2727 02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:03.399 he just apparently it keeps him up at night thinking 2728 02:06:03.399 --> 02:06:06.119 about if he was transported back to a castle in 2729 02:06:06.640 --> 02:06:09.800 the Middle Ages and he was immediately going to be 2730 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:12.920 killed if he But what is a skill we have 2731 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:13.479 to have. 2732 02:06:13.600 --> 02:06:18.039 A simple man? Yeah, he can castle times? 2733 02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:20.600 What is a skill he could immediately show them that 2734 02:06:20.920 --> 02:06:24.199 we have knowledge of that would paint him as a 2735 02:06:24.239 --> 02:06:26.800 wizard or some sort to them, so they'd spare him. 2736 02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:29.199 So we got a few of those that we have 2737 02:06:29.279 --> 02:06:31.000 some other questions, So thank you for writing in. But 2738 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:35.520 keep those questions coming. They're good enough. I'll put them 2739 02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:38.279 in the show. If they're not into the bin, you go. 2740 02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:44.119 This is like the silk Song of email reading. We 2741 02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:46.079 won't even acknowledge your work. 2742 02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:47.760 Yes, you get nothing. 2743 02:06:49.319 --> 02:06:55.640 You stolef is he lifting drinks? Okay this one tonight 2744 02:06:56.279 --> 02:07:01.720 Alex and Bendigo not into the bin? Go he's written 2745 02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:02.800 from Bendigo. 2746 02:07:03.439 --> 02:07:05.439 We're gonna end this podcast on the. 2747 02:07:05.560 --> 02:07:10.479 White sheet black letters unfold. We must read them. 2748 02:07:10.760 --> 02:07:13.119 I don't even know what hot or cold? 2749 02:07:13.319 --> 02:07:14.920 Mary? Do you want to read this first one from Alex? 2750 02:07:15.279 --> 02:07:15.479 Yeah? 2751 02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:21.359 I don't understand what that impression was. No, Mike demanded 2752 02:07:21.399 --> 02:07:22.079 we all write in. 2753 02:07:22.319 --> 02:07:27.199 We thought we demand. I think I politely requested, are 2754 02:07:27.239 --> 02:07:27.840 you way mad? 2755 02:07:27.960 --> 02:07:29.159 I'm just reading this guy. 2756 02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:32.680 Alex from Bendigo. He Beniso is. 2757 02:07:32.680 --> 02:07:33.560 Doing what he's told. 2758 02:07:34.640 --> 02:07:36.520 H demanded that we all write in with what you 2759 02:07:36.600 --> 02:07:39.960 could do in Castle Times. Mike, your three most prominent 2760 02:07:40.039 --> 02:07:45.920 elements are stupid. Voice you just did one stupid, the 2761 02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:49.439 fact that you're four foot nine, and that you were 2762 02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:54.239 voted sexiest mandolin player by Mandolin Player Monthly magazine in 2763 02:07:54.319 --> 02:07:55.039 twenty twenty three. 2764 02:07:55.479 --> 02:07:56.960 You will be a court jester. 2765 02:07:58.039 --> 02:08:01.039 Fine that I'd be. I'd be trying to make him laugh. 2766 02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:04.720 Cyborlthare. 2767 02:08:06.560 --> 02:08:07.920 Now you're doing Bob Dylan. 2768 02:08:10.680 --> 02:08:14.079 No, but that's like in like a weird gesture voice. 2769 02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:20.159 Wait the way Hans heaven. 2770 02:08:23.319 --> 02:08:27.079 Man by me who she was? 2771 02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:30.319 Love mine? 2772 02:08:32.800 --> 02:08:34.560 Tell you all right? 2773 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:36.319 You live Mary. 2774 02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:39.920 Given the opening of last episode, it's very clear you're 2775 02:08:40.079 --> 02:08:41.239 the strongest talent. 2776 02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:43.600 Is it not what he wrote? 2777 02:08:44.039 --> 02:08:45.920 I think he said you're the strongest talent. 2778 02:08:46.319 --> 02:08:50.000 What I mean, it's very clear your strongest talent is 2779 02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:53.800 one of the most vicious acid tongues to ever grace humanity. 2780 02:08:54.600 --> 02:08:57.760 The level of vitriol, spite, and shame you can vomit 2781 02:08:57.880 --> 02:09:01.840 out is terrifying and commendable. You would become the pope 2782 02:09:02.399 --> 02:09:04.079 less than three days. 2783 02:09:04.680 --> 02:09:08.000 Political hope back then like ad fear. 2784 02:09:08.680 --> 02:09:10.199 Hello, shit, I don't know. 2785 02:09:11.159 --> 02:09:14.399 Now we got a Chicagoan in the in the big seat. 2786 02:09:14.720 --> 02:09:16.279 I don't know how you got there. Really, I don't 2787 02:09:16.279 --> 02:09:18.119 pay the billy. What's the guy's name, billy. 2788 02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:20.960 I do believe that historically. 2789 02:09:23.039 --> 02:09:24.199 We're super kind. 2790 02:09:25.319 --> 02:09:28.640 Popes were pretty could be authoritarian. 2791 02:09:29.039 --> 02:09:31.720 There's a Palatine pope that looked like the Star Wars emperor. 2792 02:09:32.079 --> 02:09:34.880 Yes, that's where that's where George Lucas got the idea. 2793 02:09:35.279 --> 02:09:35.920 Yeah, that's right. 2794 02:09:36.039 --> 02:09:40.119 Yeah, so I think that's really fair. I appreciate that. 2795 02:09:40.239 --> 02:09:41.600 Thank you, Alex uh Dan. 2796 02:09:42.800 --> 02:09:45.600 Your only hope is that Manati is transferred back with 2797 02:09:45.760 --> 02:09:48.159 you to act as a comparison point, so you might 2798 02:09:48.239 --> 02:09:50.079 have any chance of seeming useful. 2799 02:09:50.319 --> 02:09:51.800 You are still weirder. 2800 02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:56.039 I do genuinely disagree with you. 2801 02:09:56.520 --> 02:09:57.520 He gave you nothing. 2802 02:09:59.399 --> 02:10:02.600 I mean, I honestly, that's fair. I think I take 2803 02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:04.159 no offense to that. I I don't know what I 2804 02:10:04.199 --> 02:10:07.920 would have to offer Manati. I think Manatti would do 2805 02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:11.439 all right, uh to sort of. I think he could sing, 2806 02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:14.359 and he could cook meat and stuff. I do think 2807 02:10:14.439 --> 02:10:16.079 Manati might be able to do better than me and 2808 02:10:16.199 --> 02:10:18.840 Castle Times, because he'd like texting a lot of Castle 2809 02:10:18.920 --> 02:10:22.880 Times fiction, you know, like Lord of the Rings and stuff. Yeah, yeah, 2810 02:10:23.560 --> 02:10:25.359 Times Guy Zelda doesn't really work. 2811 02:10:26.079 --> 02:10:29.760 Maybe both of you with your powers combined, though, you 2812 02:10:29.880 --> 02:10:31.680 could have some kind of fun two. 2813 02:10:31.680 --> 02:10:35.359 Person act on stage or something like a like a 2814 02:10:35.479 --> 02:10:37.680 podcast with them who's on first. 2815 02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:40.399 Type situation in Castle Times, you know, play. 2816 02:10:40.279 --> 02:10:42.000 Off each other well. But yeah, I don't know if 2817 02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:43.319 the Castle people are gonna. 2818 02:10:43.159 --> 02:10:46.439 Like it without all your gaming knowledge, I just don't 2819 02:10:46.520 --> 02:10:49.239 understand what we talk about, what material you have. 2820 02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:54.399 You're like, what about this gruel? Yeah, I'd love to 2821 02:10:54.479 --> 02:10:59.800 hear Mike Minate's bit on gruel and like sleeping on straw. 2822 02:11:00.439 --> 02:11:02.399 I would just tell them now, I would just tell 2823 02:11:02.479 --> 02:11:06.680 them like I would pretend I'm a fortune teller, Like 2824 02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:08.479 I would just tell them, oh, Dave Girl has a 2825 02:11:08.600 --> 02:11:11.600 secret baby like that. That's simple enough to tell them. 2826 02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:13.479 They're not going to live long enough, like what we 2827 02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:16.359 were Castle Time. They're not going to live long enough 2828 02:11:16.359 --> 02:11:17.439 to know about Dave Girl. 2829 02:11:18.079 --> 02:11:18.880 You're right, so the. 2830 02:11:18.880 --> 02:11:21.159 Battle of Hastings will be one no. 2831 02:11:23.079 --> 02:11:27.439 Eclipses or something, you know, the. 2832 02:11:27.520 --> 02:11:33.439 Stars are actually uh bugs, and if you don't believe 2833 02:11:33.479 --> 02:11:35.920 in God enough, who is also me, they will come 2834 02:11:36.000 --> 02:11:36.960 down and kill you. 2835 02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:39.399 You could probably figure out a way to frame yourself 2836 02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:41.279 as God. I think so. 2837 02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:42.439 I think i'd get away with it. 2838 02:11:42.600 --> 02:11:44.720 A Ventura did it, I'd. 2839 02:11:44.560 --> 02:11:46.079 Either do it or die try. 2840 02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:50.560 I think like I would go for broke right. I'm 2841 02:11:50.640 --> 02:11:55.840 not there to live a life of like stirring the soup. 2842 02:11:56.239 --> 02:11:58.960 That's just not who I was born to be. So 2843 02:11:59.359 --> 02:12:02.880 I'll go all in and say I actually am an 2844 02:12:02.920 --> 02:12:06.960 ethereal being, and I will smite anyone who touches me 2845 02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:09.600 or doesn't feed me and clothe me and bathe me 2846 02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:12.239 and give me really good jewels and stuff, and then 2847 02:12:12.279 --> 02:12:13.239 hope it works out. 2848 02:12:13.239 --> 02:12:15.399 Easy for you to say you got boobs. You could 2849 02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:18.600 just I know they'll they'll they'll be more than that 2850 02:12:18.720 --> 02:12:19.399 you didn't have them. 2851 02:12:19.439 --> 02:12:25.560 Back in Castle times, they're like they're so enamored by the. 2852 02:12:25.640 --> 02:12:28.039 First they've been fucking driving a Morocco around. All of 2853 02:12:28.039 --> 02:12:29.600 a sudden a range rover shows up. 2854 02:12:31.479 --> 02:12:33.439 Take a look at these cattle bus. 2855 02:12:34.319 --> 02:12:39.640 Yeah, Castle boys. They hope for is being just a 2856 02:12:39.760 --> 02:12:42.520 well liked guy about town. I think that's it. 2857 02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:44.560 I think I'm a friendly fellow. I think I get 2858 02:12:44.600 --> 02:12:47.159 along with folks, and I think that you keep them living. 2859 02:12:48.279 --> 02:12:49.720 Oh that I have know him Dan? 2860 02:12:49.920 --> 02:12:52.439 Just walking around asking people if door Dash delivers to 2861 02:12:52.520 --> 02:12:53.000 the castle. 2862 02:12:53.520 --> 02:12:57.319 Yeah, just hoping people invite me over for dinner and stuff. Yeah, 2863 02:12:57.399 --> 02:12:58.640 that's the best I could hope for. 2864 02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:01.439 Someone's been milking the cows in the dead of night, 2865 02:13:01.520 --> 02:13:03.640 and it's been you because you don't have a job 2866 02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:07.359 and you don't know how to consume any food anymore, so. 2867 02:13:07.359 --> 02:13:09.399 You've just Then they'd ask like you be like, oh, 2868 02:13:09.439 --> 02:13:11.279 is there anything I can do to help an exchange 2869 02:13:11.319 --> 02:13:11.800 for this dinner? 2870 02:13:11.880 --> 02:13:13.279 And then they'd tell me something. I'd be like, I 2871 02:13:13.319 --> 02:13:13.800 don't know how to do. 2872 02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:16.000 You have any media I could review? 2873 02:13:17.319 --> 02:13:20.720 Yeah, get out a microphones, We'll get out. 2874 02:13:21.640 --> 02:13:25.600 Yeah, thank you, Alex. 2875 02:13:25.800 --> 02:13:30.680 Yeah Dan. This one is from Paul in Middle Georgia. 2876 02:13:31.640 --> 02:13:32.199 I'm reading this. 2877 02:13:32.399 --> 02:13:35.880 Yeah, sorry, Okay, what to do? Read it? Hey? 2878 02:13:36.199 --> 02:13:36.680 Hey, guys. 2879 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:39.920 If Dan were to suddenly find himself in Castle times, 2880 02:13:40.039 --> 02:13:42.399 I think Dan knows enough about the lingo and how 2881 02:13:42.439 --> 02:13:45.199 the sausage is made to be able to invent wrestling. 2882 02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:49.199 Just find an investor, put a troop together, bing bang, boom. 2883 02:13:49.800 --> 02:13:52.680 Mike could probably pull bullshit his way into becoming like 2884 02:13:52.840 --> 02:13:55.840 a fence or something. Harry would be burned at the 2885 02:13:55.920 --> 02:13:57.760 stake for being too intelligent a witch. 2886 02:13:58.319 --> 02:14:00.600 I'm offended and appreciate it. 2887 02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:06.600 Yeah, I want to like a compliment slash insult. 2888 02:14:07.279 --> 02:14:09.960 I mean back then, I do think it happened a lot, 2889 02:14:10.159 --> 02:14:11.319 and I do think that is a part of it. 2890 02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:11.880 Which stuff. 2891 02:14:12.239 --> 02:14:14.439 Well, my original plan of saying I'm just going to 2892 02:14:14.479 --> 02:14:16.439 say I'm a god and tell people I'll smite them 2893 02:14:16.479 --> 02:14:18.760 if they don't give me jewels and food. I think 2894 02:14:19.159 --> 02:14:21.319 it's going to go two ways. One is they're going 2895 02:14:21.359 --> 02:14:22.479 to be afraid of me and they're going to do 2896 02:14:22.520 --> 02:14:23.800 what I say, and the other one is that they're 2897 02:14:23.800 --> 02:14:25.119 going to burn me at the stake. So I think 2898 02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:27.039 I do have like a fifty to fifty chance. 2899 02:14:28.720 --> 02:14:31.560 I like what I think what Paul is saying here 2900 02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:34.239 is maybe one of the better actual things I could do, 2901 02:14:34.359 --> 02:14:36.760 which is just like take my knowledge of how like 2902 02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:39.720 the Carnie origins of wrestling and apply it to like 2903 02:14:40.800 --> 02:14:42.800 it's a pretty timeless thing, you know, just have like 2904 02:14:43.359 --> 02:14:45.279 plants in the audience and be like nobody can beat 2905 02:14:45.319 --> 02:14:47.159 my strong man, and then have a plant that you know, 2906 02:14:47.239 --> 02:14:51.079 and they pay on the to watch the fight and everything, like, Yeah, 2907 02:14:51.600 --> 02:14:54.319 I think I could invent wrestling one hundreds of years 2908 02:14:54.359 --> 02:14:55.279 before or at the. 2909 02:14:55.359 --> 02:15:00.600 Very minimum, you could probably like just set up that 2910 02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:04.039 actually are fake and then profit off of the money 2911 02:15:04.119 --> 02:15:07.920 that people bet because you know who's gonna win. 2912 02:15:08.159 --> 02:15:09.960 Well, that's say people thought it was real until like 2913 02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:13.560 the fucking mid nineties. Basically, like imagine the fourteen hundreds 2914 02:15:13.640 --> 02:15:15.600 or whatever, Like it'd be the easiest marks in the world. 2915 02:15:16.760 --> 02:15:21.079 Those stupid idiots. They don't even have electricity yet. 2916 02:15:21.600 --> 02:15:24.720 Imagine what you could do with wrestlers that say that 2917 02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:26.960 they got hurt amazing. 2918 02:15:27.079 --> 02:15:28.640 They don't know work from a shoot back then. 2919 02:15:30.159 --> 02:15:35.000 I still don't, And there I am burned at the stake. 2920 02:15:35.359 --> 02:15:38.640 Yeah, you're you're screaming, your flesh is burning off, and I'm. 2921 02:15:38.520 --> 02:15:40.000 There, revolves. 2922 02:15:43.399 --> 02:15:46.600 I would just be fucking silver tongue in my way 2923 02:15:47.199 --> 02:15:54.399 into that snatch. Snatch. Whoa, I'm gonna bullshit my way 2924 02:15:54.439 --> 02:15:57.600 into that snatch. Say that to the queen. See how 2925 02:15:57.640 --> 02:15:58.279 that goes down. 2926 02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:05.800 He seems possible that we all die horrible death because 2927 02:16:05.840 --> 02:16:08.640 Mike's trying to bang the clean. I think I'm a 2928 02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:13.079 god and Dan gets over his head trying to set 2929 02:16:13.159 --> 02:16:14.199 up wrestling matches. 2930 02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:18.560 We'd all go out the same we die. This the 2931 02:16:18.640 --> 02:16:24.720 way we lived, truly, wrestling matches, connelings and burning. 2932 02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:28.239 I wrestled the Fire and I lost. 2933 02:16:29.199 --> 02:16:30.760 I wrestled Deck Clinton. 2934 02:16:30.880 --> 02:16:31.239 I won. 2935 02:16:31.479 --> 02:16:36.399 Now it's gross. That's the grossest thing I said in 2936 02:16:36.479 --> 02:16:37.200 the why. 2937 02:16:40.280 --> 02:16:40.639 About it. 2938 02:16:42.479 --> 02:16:44.799 I realized my credit. I realized that it was come 2939 02:16:44.840 --> 02:16:46.040 out in my mouth, that it was gross. 2940 02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:48.440 I wish my soundboard still work. I'd be using that. 2941 02:16:51.200 --> 02:16:53.319 Really good. Okay, I'm going to read it. Thank you 2942 02:16:53.360 --> 02:16:56.040 Paul from Middle Georgia. I'm gonna read this one from 2943 02:16:57.760 --> 02:17:02.639 Max from markham on tear, Hello, Firescape cast crew. I 2944 02:17:02.719 --> 02:17:04.920 did not own an original switch and about the switch 2945 02:17:04.959 --> 02:17:07.319 to and launch day after finally being in a comfortable 2946 02:17:07.399 --> 02:17:11.799 financial spot, currently going through both the back catalog of 2947 02:17:11.879 --> 02:17:15.360 games and recently picked up Mario plus Rabbid's Kingdom Battle 2948 02:17:15.399 --> 02:17:18.399 on sale awesome game. And the characters in the Overworld 2949 02:17:18.520 --> 02:17:20.040 run like some of the people I just saw in 2950 02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:23.120 the movie Weapons. Hoping everyone in the podcasts has seen 2951 02:17:23.159 --> 02:17:25.639 this for the upcoming question, we definitely have. This run 2952 02:17:25.719 --> 02:17:28.280 could also be described as the Naruto run I guess 2953 02:17:28.600 --> 02:17:30.799 I haven't seen the show. My question after seeing this 2954 02:17:31.079 --> 02:17:35.399 is if someone real or fictional was cursed to hunt 2955 02:17:35.479 --> 02:17:38.159 you like they do in weapons, who would be the 2956 02:17:38.239 --> 02:17:41.079 most terrifying. My first thought was that the kool a 2957 02:17:41.200 --> 02:17:43.159 man was chasing me with his arms behind his back, 2958 02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:45.520 eyes blank, trying everything in his power to kill me. 2959 02:17:45.959 --> 02:17:50.520 I would probably lose my shit immediately. Any who Max 2960 02:17:50.559 --> 02:17:52.280 from Markham, Ontario, Canada. 2961 02:17:54.319 --> 02:17:58.319 Bruce Scanlon, he's the sweetest boy in though. That's a thing. 2962 02:17:58.600 --> 02:17:59.879 That's exactly why worst. 2963 02:17:59.920 --> 02:18:03.719 If suddenly Drew Scanlan was a weapon style running at me, 2964 02:18:04.200 --> 02:18:06.680 it would be such a different Like Drew was just 2965 02:18:06.799 --> 02:18:09.719 so nice and calm and composed. So if he was 2966 02:18:09.760 --> 02:18:13.879 like wild eyed and bleeding and sprinting at me trying 2967 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:16.920 to know something was something was terribly wrong. 2968 02:18:17.760 --> 02:18:21.840 For me, I'd be like, Drew, you need a doctor, 2969 02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:24.760 come here, I have a band aid. And then he 2970 02:18:24.760 --> 02:18:27.440 would snap my neck. I would never he pummels your 2971 02:18:27.440 --> 02:18:30.120 skull with his skull, It would trick me immediately. I 2972 02:18:30.159 --> 02:18:33.280 would never. I would never assume anything bad could happen. 2973 02:18:33.440 --> 02:18:35.559 He could fly planes. Imagine him doing that from a. 2974 02:18:35.600 --> 02:18:41.680 Plane, like with his hands behind his face before he's. 2975 02:18:41.600 --> 02:18:44.239 Just flying at you like a plane. I would same, 2976 02:18:44.360 --> 02:18:46.799 same reason they would. Jake Decker would terrify me such 2977 02:18:46.840 --> 02:18:50.200 a like even headed, calm, cool, collected dude, one of 2978 02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:51.920 my best friends. Like, if he was coming at me 2979 02:18:52.040 --> 02:18:55.760 like that, I'd that'd be weird. I guess my dad, 2980 02:18:56.040 --> 02:18:57.440 my mom, anybody close to me. 2981 02:18:59.559 --> 02:19:02.680 If my day was running, I would know something was terribleness. 2982 02:19:03.559 --> 02:19:08.840 Just running all his arms, the idea airplace them one. 2983 02:19:08.840 --> 02:19:11.879 Going floodlights connected to his feet. They're just dragging through 2984 02:19:11.920 --> 02:19:12.840 electric cords. 2985 02:19:13.799 --> 02:19:15.520 I did ask him one point. I was like, Hey, 2986 02:19:15.520 --> 02:19:18.040 when was the last time you ran? And he was like, 2987 02:19:18.200 --> 02:19:20.719 I think that maybe I ran to my car while 2988 02:19:20.719 --> 02:19:22.600 it was raining once, like twenty years ago. 2989 02:19:23.200 --> 02:19:25.040 Like he just he doesn't run quickly. 2990 02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:28.559 Probably nineteen eighty nine. 2991 02:19:28.879 --> 02:19:30.239 Yeah, he doesn't move quickly. 2992 02:19:30.399 --> 02:19:30.440 No. 2993 02:19:32.239 --> 02:19:35.399 Because of one of the scariest movies I ever saw, 2994 02:19:35.600 --> 02:19:37.879 Mike and I talked about this a lot, was It Follows. 2995 02:19:38.799 --> 02:19:44.319 I think some of that was the randomness of like 2996 02:19:44.399 --> 02:19:46.760 a random person that just kind of freaks you out. 2997 02:19:48.000 --> 02:19:48.719 I do think that. 2998 02:19:50.520 --> 02:19:54.879 Just a weird looking lady or dude that's naked would 2999 02:19:54.920 --> 02:19:56.399 scare the shit out. 3000 02:19:56.239 --> 02:19:59.920 Of me, because is a multiplier. 3001 02:20:00.520 --> 02:20:02.559 Yeah, it would just freak me out. And I think 3002 02:20:02.600 --> 02:20:04.600 that was something and that was a theme in that show. 3003 02:20:04.760 --> 02:20:08.680 Another one was because it was like, uh yeah, like 3004 02:20:08.760 --> 02:20:11.479 people you well, the plot was kind of like people 3005 02:20:11.879 --> 02:20:14.040 you had slept with were like the next in line. 3006 02:20:14.079 --> 02:20:15.840 But I mean, I bet if you're like exes were 3007 02:20:15.879 --> 02:20:18.319 running at you, that would freak the crap out of me, 3008 02:20:18.680 --> 02:20:20.479 not just because of like why are you running at me, 3009 02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:23.000 but also like what are you doing here? 3010 02:20:24.239 --> 02:20:26.319 I haven't seen you in ten years? 3011 02:20:26.360 --> 02:20:28.319 And I don't want to, Like I don't want my 3012 02:20:28.639 --> 02:20:30.959 exes running at me for any reason ever. 3013 02:20:31.879 --> 02:20:34.799 I like just yesterday had a moment of I was 3014 02:20:34.840 --> 02:20:37.760 just being very self conscious about like I walk every day, 3015 02:20:37.840 --> 02:20:40.639 like around the neighborhood and stuff, and at one point 3016 02:20:40.879 --> 02:20:43.840 yesterday I found myself like walking at about the same 3017 02:20:43.959 --> 02:20:47.520 pace as this woman, but I was behind her, and 3018 02:20:47.639 --> 02:20:49.840 so I was like, probably, you know, fifty feet behind 3019 02:20:49.840 --> 02:20:51.959 her or whatever, and I was like I just kind 3020 02:20:51.959 --> 02:20:53.879 of feel awkward, like just kind of walking, Yeah, you 3021 02:20:53.920 --> 02:20:55.840 got here at the same pace. So like I crossed 3022 02:20:56.280 --> 02:20:58.399 to the other side of the street just to be like, hey, 3023 02:20:58.440 --> 02:20:59.799 just don't want to think I'm following you or whatever. 3024 02:21:00.159 --> 02:21:02.600 And then like she turned and it was where I 3025 02:21:02.719 --> 02:21:04.159 was going to and it's like, well, I'm trying to 3026 02:21:04.159 --> 02:21:05.840 get back to my house. I have to go that way, 3027 02:21:06.079 --> 02:21:07.920 and so like here I am again. I turned and 3028 02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:11.280 there were like three different turns where it's like, God, 3029 02:21:11.360 --> 02:21:13.280 damn it, this is where I'm going, you know, like, 3030 02:21:13.360 --> 02:21:14.920 how do you make it? Like, I just want to 3031 02:21:14.920 --> 02:21:17.559 make it very clear, I'm not following you, Like this 3032 02:21:17.920 --> 02:21:18.959 is that weirder to say that. 3033 02:21:19.200 --> 02:21:23.479 Yes, yeah, she's just walking in her neighborhood and this man. 3034 02:21:23.959 --> 02:21:27.159 But I was I wanting to show you that I 3035 02:21:27.280 --> 02:21:29.280 don't have a gun, No big deal. 3036 02:21:29.280 --> 02:21:33.200 I'm not I don't have a weapon. Look at where 3037 02:21:33.200 --> 02:21:34.799 It's like I was feeling weird about it, and I 3038 02:21:34.920 --> 02:21:36.559 was sure. She was like is this guy following me? 3039 02:21:36.600 --> 02:21:38.200 And I was like, I just how do I make it? 3040 02:21:38.559 --> 02:21:40.159 Do I go through the woods? Do I get off 3041 02:21:40.200 --> 02:21:40.520 the path? 3042 02:21:40.680 --> 02:21:43.360 You know? That is the most Tim Robbinson asked, ship 3043 02:21:43.479 --> 02:21:45.360 you go into the woods because you can't deal with 3044 02:21:45.440 --> 02:21:50.360 the social cli complications of this encounter. There's probably some 3045 02:21:50.559 --> 02:21:52.799 celebrity that would scare me more if they were doing 3046 02:21:52.879 --> 02:21:53.840 this than anybody else. 3047 02:21:54.200 --> 02:21:56.959 There's a TikTok about what you're doing, Dan, which is 3048 02:21:57.040 --> 02:21:59.719 like you're passing a girl in the woods on a 3049 02:21:59.799 --> 02:22:03.200 high How do you do it so that it's not 3050 02:22:03.440 --> 02:22:06.040 scary because you're both alone in the woods and she's 3051 02:22:06.040 --> 02:22:06.559 a sure. 3052 02:22:07.040 --> 02:22:10.319 Yeah, they're all pretty silly, but generally the joke is 3053 02:22:10.360 --> 02:22:12.680 that you like vogue or do something. Whether she's like 3054 02:22:12.760 --> 02:22:16.479 oh good, you're an ally like, oh you're one of us, 3055 02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:16.920 Yeah you. 3056 02:22:17.079 --> 02:22:19.920 Like you is like that works if you were at 3057 02:22:19.959 --> 02:22:22.920 a pace faster than the person. So I've got like 3058 02:22:22.959 --> 02:22:25.639 my AirPods in and I'll just look straightforward and like 3059 02:22:25.760 --> 02:22:27.559 as I'm doing the past, like once you're kind of 3060 02:22:27.680 --> 02:22:29.639 like like right next to each other, I just kind 3061 02:22:29.639 --> 02:22:31.840 of like turn, just do a little like looky friendly 3062 02:22:31.959 --> 02:22:33.479 like smile and wave, and then you just keep going 3063 02:22:33.479 --> 02:22:35.520 along on your way like oh, good evening or something 3064 02:22:35.559 --> 02:22:35.639 like that. 3065 02:22:36.479 --> 02:22:37.760 That's that's probably a good way to do it. 3066 02:22:37.879 --> 02:22:39.280 I think it's a nice thing to do. But I 3067 02:22:39.319 --> 02:22:41.440 think the the ultimate thing I just want to commend 3068 02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:44.040 you for is I think the nicest thing is to 3069 02:22:44.159 --> 02:22:44.920 give them space. 3070 02:22:45.079 --> 02:22:47.520 And so the fact that you cross the street without 3071 02:22:48.239 --> 02:22:52.639 like really even thinking it is a wonderful. That is 3072 02:22:52.719 --> 02:22:54.840 what I would recommend for most people, which is like, 3073 02:22:54.920 --> 02:22:57.639 this isn't about you at all. Sometimes people are like, 3074 02:22:57.719 --> 02:23:00.440 but I didn't do anything and I would never hurt anyone. 3075 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:01.639 It's like, that's actually not what it's about. 3076 02:23:01.799 --> 02:23:03.159 They don't know that. They just know that there's some 3077 02:23:03.239 --> 02:23:03.799 guy they don't know. 3078 02:23:04.159 --> 02:23:07.239 Unfortunately, women carry this burden. This has happened to me 3079 02:23:07.319 --> 02:23:08.920 so many times. We're like, it's like. 3080 02:23:09.040 --> 02:23:12.079 Late at night, I carry fucking keys in my hand 3081 02:23:12.319 --> 02:23:15.120 because there we have like a burden that we bear. 3082 02:23:15.479 --> 02:23:18.040 So it is it is not on who you are 3083 02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:19.799 at all as a person. The idea that you're just 3084 02:23:19.920 --> 02:23:22.040 like I should just cross the street and give them 3085 02:23:22.120 --> 02:23:22.680 much more. 3086 02:23:22.600 --> 02:23:24.639 Space is the best move. 3087 02:23:24.920 --> 02:23:26.799 Just give them more space, because it kind of just 3088 02:23:26.920 --> 02:23:30.280 freaks a girl out when there's men in close proximity 3089 02:23:30.319 --> 02:23:30.879 and they're alone. 3090 02:23:30.959 --> 02:23:32.559 That's just that's the reality. 3091 02:23:33.040 --> 02:23:34.319 Yeah, the woods and stuff. 3092 02:23:34.719 --> 02:23:39.760 That was the golden move, my dude, excellent. Yeah, or 3093 02:23:39.840 --> 02:23:41.120 kill them, you know, because. 3094 02:23:40.879 --> 02:23:43.280 Like you got old after a while. 3095 02:23:43.399 --> 02:23:45.680 It's the same thing every time, you know, like yeh 3096 02:23:46.959 --> 02:23:49.680 from behind that, Yeah, it's just the same screams. 3097 02:23:49.719 --> 02:23:51.280 It's the same every time. 3098 02:23:51.639 --> 02:23:54.680 Yeah, I'm bored out of places. 3099 02:23:54.399 --> 02:23:55.200 To bury the bodies. 3100 02:23:55.440 --> 02:23:56.440 Give me a challenge. 3101 02:23:56.840 --> 02:24:00.360 Yeah, come on, not good at still, what are you 3102 02:24:00.399 --> 02:24:00.799 afraid of? 3103 02:24:00.920 --> 02:24:07.399 I think Cloris Leachman would be weird, like young Cloris Leachman. Now, like, 3104 02:24:07.600 --> 02:24:08.479 is that Claris Leachman? 3105 02:24:08.639 --> 02:24:11.719 But look, no, Clorence Leachman because of the Norm McDonald, 3106 02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:12.639 Bob Saget. 3107 02:24:12.440 --> 02:24:16.159 Roach, No, I knew. I uh, that's a big part 3108 02:24:16.200 --> 02:24:16.760 of why I know her. 3109 02:24:17.200 --> 02:24:18.239 That's mainly why I know her. 3110 02:24:18.360 --> 02:24:21.559 Yeah, but uh yeah, there's like I guess. 3111 02:24:23.079 --> 02:24:25.520 The tallest woman in the world that would freak me out. 3112 02:24:25.719 --> 02:24:27.680 Albert Finney would be weird too. 3113 02:24:28.399 --> 02:24:30.360 Are the tallest man? Tall people are scary? 3114 02:24:30.520 --> 02:24:33.360 Tall people do creep me out? I told Will Carle Yeah, 3115 02:24:34.719 --> 02:24:38.959 Jason Alexander, Jason Alexander, Why am I blank? 3116 02:24:39.040 --> 02:24:39.559 Castanza? 3117 02:24:40.440 --> 02:24:42.959 Oh yeah, ah weird? 3118 02:24:43.319 --> 02:24:46.520 Is that George George Castanza and then he running at me? 3119 02:24:46.799 --> 02:24:48.520 Yeah, it would be someone you have to take a 3120 02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:54.079 second to recognize. Yeah, that's why I was thinking, like 3121 02:24:54.639 --> 02:25:03.680 Helen Mirrendeo Kojima. Yeah, although again it's probably has something. 3122 02:25:03.440 --> 02:25:05.920 To do with his next game, Like Charlie from It's 3123 02:25:05.920 --> 02:25:08.680 Always Sunny And at first you're like and then you're like, 3124 02:25:08.760 --> 02:25:09.399 I'm gonna die. 3125 02:25:10.120 --> 02:25:14.680 Yeah, but yeah, no, my family would be weird. Thank 3126 02:25:14.719 --> 02:25:21.040 you Max from Markham, Ontario. Mary, do you want to 3127 02:25:21.120 --> 02:25:23.399 read this one? From Christian. 3128 02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:27.799 Echo the community when saying that very much appreciate it, 3129 02:25:28.239 --> 02:25:31.399 appreciate all three of you and that you share your 3130 02:25:31.479 --> 02:25:32.559 time and selves with us. 3131 02:25:32.639 --> 02:25:35.639 You three are all wonderful, truly caring and a joy. 3132 02:25:35.959 --> 02:25:36.639 Is this a plant? 3133 02:25:38.639 --> 02:25:39.200 I just wrote? 3134 02:25:39.399 --> 02:25:44.719 No, thank you, Christian, I don't believe it. That's awesome. 3135 02:25:44.760 --> 02:25:46.840 Thank you for saying that question. 3136 02:25:47.920 --> 02:25:51.479 We are expecting our first child in January and have 3137 02:25:51.680 --> 02:25:55.559 found deciding on baby names to be an experience. We 3138 02:25:55.680 --> 02:25:59.840 quickly discovered some lingering feelings with those who have passed 3139 02:25:59.840 --> 02:26:03.479 through our lives when you reject name after name as 3140 02:26:04.159 --> 02:26:07.840 can't name our child after that person or names that 3141 02:26:08.040 --> 02:26:11.479 just give the I are there any names you can't 3142 02:26:11.639 --> 02:26:16.079 imagine ever naming your own theoretical child? Do you think 3143 02:26:16.239 --> 02:26:20.920 you'd find boy or girl names harder? Girl names are 3144 02:26:21.000 --> 02:26:21.959 much easier for us? 3145 02:26:22.639 --> 02:26:26.639 And the second question, yeah, then do you want to 3146 02:26:26.639 --> 02:26:28.040 start with one and then we'll go to the second one? 3147 02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:30.399 Yeah, very I'll go back to it. 3148 02:26:30.479 --> 02:26:32.600 Let's not a little knock one out. Thank you, Christian. 3149 02:26:32.760 --> 02:26:33.319 I'll come back. 3150 02:26:35.319 --> 02:26:37.959 I mean, I guess we don't have kids, but we 3151 02:26:38.159 --> 02:26:40.000 have pets, and so that's. 3152 02:26:40.799 --> 02:26:42.760 We're so easy. 3153 02:26:43.680 --> 02:26:45.760 Dogs and cats you can just name them weird things. 3154 02:26:45.959 --> 02:26:47.559 And like with people, it's got to be like. 3155 02:26:49.440 --> 02:26:50.319 How easy it is to. 3156 02:26:50.399 --> 02:26:53.719 Name fucking dog corn dog and like call it a life. 3157 02:26:53.840 --> 02:26:57.079 You can't child that you can't name a child Brisket. 3158 02:26:58.280 --> 02:27:01.319 Amanda and I we don't don't plan on having kids, 3159 02:27:01.399 --> 02:27:03.280 but we have talked about like it. I don't know, 3160 02:27:03.319 --> 02:27:04.959 it just comes up as like a fun convo it 3161 02:27:05.079 --> 02:27:08.079 sometimes over drinks or whatever. If we were going to 3162 02:27:08.120 --> 02:27:09.799 have a boy, what we name if we're gonna have 3163 02:27:09.840 --> 02:27:11.920 a girl, what we name them. But it does come 3164 02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:13.639 up every once in a while, like early on I 3165 02:27:13.680 --> 02:27:16.239 would recommend a name and she'd be like, nope, one 3166 02:27:16.280 --> 02:27:18.559 of my worst ex's, for instance, or something like that, 3167 02:27:19.040 --> 02:27:21.280 like a cruciation stick. 3168 02:27:23.079 --> 02:27:26.360 I feel like, I I've never thought about this before, 3169 02:27:26.479 --> 02:27:29.399 but I do kind of hate just like modern trendy 3170 02:27:29.520 --> 02:27:32.159 names where it's like it's like Brayden and. 3171 02:27:32.520 --> 02:27:36.200 Like soap like that's like millennial kid naming from soap operas. 3172 02:27:36.280 --> 02:27:38.399 Yeah yeah, or something like Whennef Pultrow would like name 3173 02:27:38.440 --> 02:27:40.000 her kids or something where it's like so I feel 3174 02:27:40.000 --> 02:27:41.280 like I would want to go the other direction and 3175 02:27:41.399 --> 02:27:44.399 just be like, here's my kid Carl, you know, like 3176 02:27:44.719 --> 02:27:46.719 just the most like a name that could have been 3177 02:27:46.760 --> 02:27:47.600 from nineteen forty. 3178 02:27:47.680 --> 02:27:51.680 You know, here's Steve, Here's Carl, Here's Jilly Brick. 3179 02:27:51.760 --> 02:27:56.159 Oh, listen, Brick, that'd be a sick kid named Rick Reker. 3180 02:27:56.399 --> 02:27:58.079 I know Rick Rick is the. 3181 02:27:58.159 --> 02:28:02.879 Name you think it is. Brick gives media, Yeah, is 3182 02:28:02.959 --> 02:28:04.360 this my son, Brick? 3183 02:28:05.600 --> 02:28:06.280 I kind of like that. 3184 02:28:07.159 --> 02:28:09.399 I'm just setting up for a life on that pole. 3185 02:28:12.040 --> 02:28:13.719 Good for him, he comes, Brick. 3186 02:28:14.200 --> 02:28:21.719 Yeah, my daughter Crystal Chandelier just ruined both of them 3187 02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:22.639 for life. 3188 02:28:22.879 --> 02:28:26.000 Brick and his sister Botox doing a co op dance 3189 02:28:26.159 --> 02:28:31.719 for all you Bucky bums out there. Creighton, Yeah, oh yeah, 3190 02:28:31.760 --> 02:28:35.600 you started to Braiden. That'd be annoying. It just sounds 3191 02:28:35.719 --> 02:28:41.920 like something that would be like Hunter, Bryce, Crench, those 3192 02:28:41.959 --> 02:28:42.440 are all. 3193 02:28:45.559 --> 02:28:48.440 Probably Crench would be a good name for a woman. 3194 02:28:48.559 --> 02:28:49.399 I've never thought of. 3195 02:28:53.639 --> 02:28:54.799 Kreskowski Maharty. 3196 02:28:55.479 --> 02:28:56.319 He's a French. 3197 02:28:56.520 --> 02:28:59.079 She literally can only be a brain surgeon or else 3198 02:28:59.120 --> 02:29:00.000 he will amount to nothing. 3199 02:29:00.639 --> 02:29:03.479 No, he's a murderer before he comes out of the womb. 3200 02:29:04.879 --> 02:29:06.360 It's not a matter of whether he's a murder. It's 3201 02:29:06.360 --> 02:29:08.200 a matter of how he's going to kill his victims 3202 02:29:08.239 --> 02:29:12.559 and how long he's gonna shakes. Hopefully he u's a scalpel. 3203 02:29:13.159 --> 02:29:15.000 I will say. There's a good subreddit for this. 3204 02:29:15.639 --> 02:29:20.799 It's called traged day and it's spelled really weird intentionally 3205 02:29:21.280 --> 02:29:22.920 because a modern thing that a lot of people do 3206 02:29:23.120 --> 02:29:29.559 is they have a kid, you know, named Chantrell, but 3207 02:29:29.639 --> 02:29:32.239 it has like eight eyes in it and six e's 3208 02:29:32.399 --> 02:29:36.479 and I'm party always comes to mind. So it's like 3209 02:29:37.239 --> 02:29:44.520 just terribly pronounced, difficult to understand, too many lettered names. 3210 02:29:45.520 --> 02:29:47.760 And the subreddit's pretty funny because it is actual people 3211 02:29:47.760 --> 02:29:51.200 who are like my sister wants to name her son, 3212 02:29:53.159 --> 02:29:55.319 you know, this awful, awful, awful name that has too 3213 02:29:55.360 --> 02:29:57.920 many vowels in it, and how they try and fight 3214 02:29:58.319 --> 02:30:00.879 the tragedy of the name. So I think that's a 3215 02:30:00.959 --> 02:30:03.799 cool place to find terrible names that you never want. 3216 02:30:05.200 --> 02:30:08.239 There's so many steaks with naming a human, you. 3217 02:30:08.280 --> 02:30:10.520 Know, no, you don't want it to rhyme with anything bad, 3218 02:30:10.600 --> 02:30:14.559 Like you can't name them jars. Yeah, totally, we read 3219 02:30:14.600 --> 02:30:18.399 the same mind, Yeah, but with the like pets. 3220 02:30:18.200 --> 02:30:19.920 And stuff too, like you know, the breed and stuff 3221 02:30:19.959 --> 02:30:22.280 like that. So like, you know, we knew, like Gizmo, 3222 02:30:22.399 --> 02:30:24.280 he was going to be a cavalier, and he was 3223 02:30:24.319 --> 02:30:26.559 a cavalier, and it's like we look at him like 3224 02:30:26.600 --> 02:30:27.559 to this day, I'll look at. 3225 02:30:27.559 --> 02:30:29.760 Him like, yeah, nailed it with Gizmo. That is a 3226 02:30:29.840 --> 02:30:31.520 gizmo right there, Gizmo. 3227 02:30:31.879 --> 02:30:33.559 But like with a person, you don't know if they're 3228 02:30:33.559 --> 02:30:35.479 going to be like a Navy seal or like a 3229 02:30:35.600 --> 02:30:37.840 Dungeons and Dragons guy, you know, so it's like you 3230 02:30:37.959 --> 02:30:39.399 gotta you can't really predict it. 3231 02:30:40.399 --> 02:30:42.399 Well, I think you have to have a malleable name 3232 02:30:42.479 --> 02:30:44.399 that allows them to decide what they are. And I 3233 02:30:44.479 --> 02:30:46.760 think like one of the as a non parents, so 3234 02:30:46.840 --> 02:30:49.479 I will preface with that one of the toughest lessons 3235 02:30:49.799 --> 02:30:51.520 most parents have to learn is that you do not 3236 02:30:51.639 --> 02:30:53.799 get to decide the fate of your kid. Like they 3237 02:30:53.840 --> 02:30:56.479 are going to be things that maybe you didn't want 3238 02:30:56.520 --> 02:30:58.200 them to be. Maybe you really want them. 3239 02:30:58.040 --> 02:31:00.879 To be a football star, and that's what my mom wanted. 3240 02:31:01.200 --> 02:31:06.479 They're a big stinky nerd that can't public speak to 3241 02:31:06.559 --> 02:31:09.559 save their life. And Dan is like a name that 3242 02:31:09.639 --> 02:31:12.040 could be a track star, but it could also be 3243 02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:13.159 a bookworm. 3244 02:31:13.280 --> 02:31:13.920 It could be both. 3245 02:31:14.079 --> 02:31:16.079 And so I like to think of names as like 3246 02:31:17.239 --> 02:31:20.399 malleable casings for whatever your child ends up being, because 3247 02:31:20.440 --> 02:31:23.360 the truth is is that, like a good parent doesn't 3248 02:31:23.360 --> 02:31:26.000 really have to do anything but love their child. So 3249 02:31:26.280 --> 02:31:29.600 like it's just should be like something that stretches and 3250 02:31:29.760 --> 02:31:32.200 bends to like whatever that kid ends up being. 3251 02:31:32.799 --> 02:31:35.479 Yeah, let the personality and the person be the thing 3252 02:31:35.559 --> 02:31:37.399 that stands out, and like let the name just be 3253 02:31:37.799 --> 02:31:39.760 you know, just standard name, you know. 3254 02:31:40.280 --> 02:31:43.200 Yeah, I don't name them Alfred. They've got one job 3255 02:31:43.680 --> 02:31:46.360 for the rest of their life, oh Butler? Yeah? Or 3256 02:31:46.559 --> 02:31:50.840 like what's another one, Jeeves or Jeeves, Jeeves a better one? Yeah, 3257 02:31:53.120 --> 02:31:54.120 what's Cinderella. 3258 02:31:55.840 --> 02:31:59.680 That's gonna be a real tough life. She's really stuck. 3259 02:32:00.799 --> 02:32:07.000 Zenya. If you do have a kid named Zenya, send them. 3260 02:32:16.319 --> 02:32:17.040 The countdown. 3261 02:32:17.680 --> 02:32:24.920 This is Brick, that's Crunch, this is Velveta, Trough and Trough. 3262 02:32:25.559 --> 02:32:27.479 I think, Mike, you should have kids just so you 3263 02:32:27.520 --> 02:32:28.799 can work out these names. 3264 02:32:28.879 --> 02:32:31.479 What the fuck is Brick's gonna be a He's gonna 3265 02:32:31.479 --> 02:32:33.760 be a sex worker and you know, more power to him. 3266 02:32:33.799 --> 02:32:35.760 But he's gonna be a Borderlands character? 3267 02:32:36.040 --> 02:32:40.840 Oh yeah, he was? Yeah, Velveta is gonna be like 3268 02:32:41.000 --> 02:32:50.520 the the press secretary for a weird president in the future. Blizz, Yeah, Blizz, 3269 02:32:50.719 --> 02:32:52.559 Blizz is going to be on He's going to try 3270 02:32:52.639 --> 02:32:54.879 to reincarnate American Gladiator. 3271 02:32:56.319 --> 02:32:59.559 Is there a name that, if you hear you instantly 3272 02:32:59.639 --> 02:33:02.159 have a like, oh, they must suck the connotation with it. 3273 02:33:02.239 --> 02:33:04.040 I think that's kind of the quest. Oh, like what 3274 02:33:04.239 --> 02:33:04.559 is mine? 3275 02:33:05.440 --> 02:33:06.879 The one that comes to my mind is Todd. 3276 02:33:07.120 --> 02:33:09.200 Oh yeah, Todd. Todd's Todd's big. 3277 02:33:09.440 --> 02:33:14.079 You hear it Todd? And I don't really know Todd. 3278 02:33:15.399 --> 02:33:19.120 Guy, but like I still associate the name with with that, Yeah, 3279 02:33:19.879 --> 02:33:22.920 we with who? I still associate the name with douchebags? 3280 02:33:23.399 --> 02:33:25.319 Okay, yeah, yeah, I just don't really know any like 3281 02:33:26.120 --> 02:33:26.600 Todd Howard. 3282 02:33:26.600 --> 02:33:29.040 A couple of times he seems fine, I guess, but 3283 02:33:29.159 --> 02:33:31.120 that's the only like Todd I actually know xactly. 3284 02:33:31.239 --> 02:33:34.319 But Andrew Brittany. 3285 02:33:35.600 --> 02:33:37.399 Sorry for all the Brittany's out there, But like I've 3286 02:33:37.440 --> 02:33:40.479 met a lot of Britney's and Ashley's, and so I think, 3287 02:33:40.600 --> 02:33:42.799 like when I meet another Britney or Ashley, I'm like, 3288 02:33:42.799 --> 02:33:45.399 oh my gosh, it's like one more like I don't 3289 02:33:45.440 --> 02:33:46.920 need any more Britney's or Ashley's. 3290 02:33:47.000 --> 02:33:49.479 I got too many. I got too many of those 3291 02:33:49.559 --> 02:33:54.239 in my life. I like the name Sarah. I don't 3292 02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:54.520 know why. 3293 02:33:54.639 --> 02:33:55.639 I just I think that's. 3294 02:33:58.520 --> 02:34:02.760 Niece calm name. I have so many Megans in my family. 3295 02:34:03.440 --> 02:34:05.600 Yeah, means a lot of mics. 3296 02:34:05.920 --> 02:34:08.239 It's overused. Mic is overused. 3297 02:34:09.239 --> 02:34:11.120 It's not bad, it's just I wouldn't name a kid 3298 02:34:11.239 --> 02:34:14.799 something that, like, I feel like, is so common. Another 3299 02:34:15.399 --> 02:34:18.639 reference is there's ones where you can look up the 3300 02:34:18.719 --> 02:34:21.520 most popular baby names from like the last years, and 3301 02:34:21.600 --> 02:34:24.319 they're very consistent. Let me see what the most popular 3302 02:34:24.440 --> 02:34:28.159 baby names are. The most popular baby names Twine Hunter. 3303 02:34:29.319 --> 02:34:31.040 There, I've met a lot of young Hunters. 3304 02:34:30.840 --> 02:34:40.319 So fucking popular. Okay, baby girls, excuse me, Olivia, am 3305 02:34:41.200 --> 02:34:45.479 I like those? Amelia Charlotte, You're gonna get lost in 3306 02:34:45.479 --> 02:34:54.360 the ocean, Mia, Sophia, Isabella. Yeah, Eva, Sophia very calm, 3307 02:34:54.840 --> 02:34:56.639 like a feather fell, you know. 3308 02:34:56.799 --> 02:35:02.639 And here's the men's Liam Noah all like Liam Theodore. 3309 02:35:02.879 --> 02:35:09.239 That one's adorable. James, Henry Matteo Potos real good. 3310 02:35:09.360 --> 02:35:11.920 I would name him Matteo. I like. 3311 02:35:14.280 --> 02:35:14.760 Like Henry. 3312 02:35:15.200 --> 02:35:17.159 You can do both, yeah, Hank or Henry is great. 3313 02:35:17.520 --> 02:35:20.920 Hank I like, I like. 3314 02:35:21.520 --> 02:35:22.280 I don't like Liam. 3315 02:35:23.360 --> 02:35:25.319 I likely I grew up. You know what. You know 3316 02:35:25.360 --> 02:35:26.920 what name I like is Dylan. 3317 02:35:28.159 --> 02:35:28.879 Is a nice name. 3318 02:35:29.559 --> 02:35:32.639 I don't like one Dylan and he just sucks this 3319 02:35:32.760 --> 02:35:37.239 hockey player idiot. Yeah, Wayne, it's Backlar's kid, I mean. 3320 02:35:37.319 --> 02:35:38.000 But yeah, you know. 3321 02:35:40.520 --> 02:35:41.239 What about Wayne? 3322 02:35:42.680 --> 02:35:47.040 I like Wayne. I have positive connotations with Wayne, Wayne Knight, 3323 02:35:47.360 --> 02:35:48.280 Wayne's world. 3324 02:35:48.360 --> 02:35:49.479 Wayne Newton Gratzky. 3325 02:35:51.319 --> 02:35:55.319 What about Dibbs? Like I got Dibbs, but is. 3326 02:35:55.360 --> 02:35:59.399 Also Backlar's kid. It's his acronym name initials is what 3327 02:35:59.440 --> 02:35:59.719 you say. 3328 02:36:00.520 --> 02:36:02.239 While we're on the topic, let's talk about the fucking 3329 02:36:02.360 --> 02:36:04.319 name Bakolar. What the fuck were they thinking? 3330 02:36:04.399 --> 02:36:04.920 It fucked up? 3331 02:36:05.200 --> 02:36:08.639 Its fucking Jeff a true tragedyy. 3332 02:36:09.159 --> 02:36:11.559 And also, what's with a fucking number of Jeffs. 3333 02:36:12.920 --> 02:36:16.319 There's a lot of Jeffs in the occasional goff. Yeah, 3334 02:36:16.319 --> 02:36:18.879 there's so many Jeffs. My my, my main childhood bully 3335 02:36:19.000 --> 02:36:19.479 was the Jeff. 3336 02:36:19.639 --> 02:36:21.239 So I do have it there to a game form, 3337 02:36:22.280 --> 02:36:26.200 there's there there were two porking Mark. 3338 02:36:27.000 --> 02:36:30.879 And Acervic three well Markiva was Jeff them Yeah. 3339 02:36:30.840 --> 02:36:32.840 Right to differentiate them because there were three. 3340 02:36:33.200 --> 02:36:35.040 We had a lot of andies. We had a lot 3341 02:36:35.079 --> 02:36:38.959 of Matts with birds. We had Cado with Miller. Yeah, yeah, Matt. 3342 02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:40.479 Matt was a popular one for sure. 3343 02:36:41.079 --> 02:36:43.399 Matt is a nice, sturdy name. 3344 02:36:43.719 --> 02:36:44.600 Matt, Matt. 3345 02:36:44.680 --> 02:36:46.799 Matt could be anything. That's one of time when I 3346 02:36:46.840 --> 02:36:49.040 was talking about like a malleable name and Matt could 3347 02:36:49.040 --> 02:36:53.079 be anything. They could be a scientist, they could be uh, 3348 02:36:53.760 --> 02:36:57.360 a private dancer, they could be whoever they want. Yeah, 3349 02:36:58.000 --> 02:36:59.600 welcome to the stage. Matt. 3350 02:37:02.440 --> 02:37:04.360 Matt not a stage name. 3351 02:37:06.040 --> 02:37:06.399 I don't know. 3352 02:37:06.479 --> 02:37:08.399 I guess I don't know what guys stripper names. 3353 02:37:08.200 --> 02:37:13.040 Are are the Matt you know, there is you just 3354 02:37:14.040 --> 02:37:16.440 the end of it. It's like like the thing is 3355 02:37:16.559 --> 02:37:20.399 at dude stripper at you know, with lady stripper. It's 3356 02:37:20.399 --> 02:37:23.639 always like ambrosia or cinnamon or something. Matt. 3357 02:37:24.040 --> 02:37:26.399 You juice up the last name. It's like Matt fatty 3358 02:37:26.479 --> 02:37:27.360 dong dong, you know. 3359 02:37:27.600 --> 02:37:30.840 Like you just you just like tack it all got 3360 02:37:30.840 --> 02:37:34.239 a new gamer dig Yeah, yeah, this is bricks fat 3361 02:37:34.440 --> 02:37:35.479 fat ding dong. 3362 02:37:38.440 --> 02:37:42.760 Oh my god, the KD race on on brick chomp dick. 3363 02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:51.479 Oh my god, what a KD. He's so good. Well, yeah, 3364 02:37:51.559 --> 02:37:53.920 hopefully we helped clear some stuff up for January. So 3365 02:37:54.000 --> 02:37:59.000 you know, what's the name of your kidd Brick? So 3366 02:37:59.120 --> 02:38:06.559 thank you, Christian Crunch. What was the other one, Crench Christian? Okay, well, 3367 02:38:06.600 --> 02:38:10.799 if you want to keep the father's name, Crench Christianaw, 3368 02:38:13.719 --> 02:38:23.760 it's okay. No initials, Yeah, that would be bad. 3369 02:38:26.200 --> 02:38:39.959 Rusty clown classic. Oh God, set them up for a 3370 02:38:40.120 --> 02:38:43.399 miserable life the last last. 3371 02:38:44.440 --> 02:38:46.239 Yes yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes yes yes, yes, 3372 02:38:46.319 --> 02:38:46.879 yes yes yes. 3373 02:38:47.000 --> 02:38:50.000 I think Dan is currently leading the group, with injuries 3374 02:38:50.159 --> 02:38:53.799 having occurred during the podcast and sometimes because of the podcast. 3375 02:38:53.920 --> 02:38:56.120 Betting odds, whom of the three of you is the 3376 02:38:56.239 --> 02:38:57.600 most likely to be injured next? 3377 02:38:57.680 --> 02:38:59.159 Dan, What the fun is up with your fingers? 3378 02:38:59.680 --> 02:39:00.799 Yeah? What ship? 3379 02:39:00.799 --> 02:39:02.120 It's been for a year and a half? 3380 02:39:02.239 --> 02:39:05.600 Wait, cut them? No you. 3381 02:39:11.559 --> 02:39:13.440 This is slicing with a veggie slicer. 3382 02:39:13.920 --> 02:39:14.559 It's crazy. 3383 02:39:15.760 --> 02:39:18.760 It's still fucked up. I think Dan betting odds probably 3384 02:39:18.879 --> 02:39:21.479 he's definitely. You're also cooking a lot more so, like 3385 02:39:21.600 --> 02:39:22.000 you're no. 3386 02:39:22.239 --> 02:39:24.319 No, no, no, no, I'm off that now, why are. 3387 02:39:24.280 --> 02:39:27.239 You off cooking? I was very proud of that momentum. 3388 02:39:27.040 --> 02:39:27.879 Because it was good. 3389 02:39:29.559 --> 02:39:32.200 No, it was nice, but it's like it was a 3390 02:39:32.280 --> 02:39:33.280 thing where it's like I was trying to do it 3391 02:39:33.319 --> 02:39:35.799 for health purposes and stuff, but it's like even chicken 3392 02:39:35.879 --> 02:39:38.120 breast and veggies and stuff you used on oils, using 3393 02:39:38.120 --> 02:39:40.000 all this stuff, so like it takes a ten more time, 3394 02:39:40.079 --> 02:39:42.760 and then the calories do super duper add up, so 3395 02:39:42.920 --> 02:39:48.600 it's like, even I'm eating healthier stuff, it's still like Okay, yeah, oh, 3396 02:39:48.639 --> 02:39:50.280 I've gained a ton of weight in the last time. 3397 02:39:52.079 --> 02:39:53.000 Injury and not running. 3398 02:39:53.319 --> 02:39:54.200 What are you back on. 3399 02:39:56.239 --> 02:39:56.840 Eating wise? 3400 02:39:57.120 --> 02:39:59.639 Yeah, if you're not cooking, how are you surviving breakfast? 3401 02:40:00.079 --> 02:40:03.879 I'm back on oats. I'm doing like a delivery overnight. 3402 02:40:04.120 --> 02:40:06.479 I can't get cut on those. Oh okay, so you're 3403 02:40:06.520 --> 02:40:08.399 not making them, They're being delivered to your door. 3404 02:40:08.559 --> 02:40:10.079 It's super uggin easy. It's great. 3405 02:40:11.040 --> 02:40:13.319 And then for lunch, I do peanut butter sandwich, no 3406 02:40:13.479 --> 02:40:15.719 sides or anything. Sometimes a turkey sandwich or cheese. 3407 02:40:15.959 --> 02:40:18.280 Yeah, can't cut can't cut yourself on peanut. 3408 02:40:18.000 --> 02:40:19.440 Butter and jelly, Nope, Nope. 3409 02:40:19.520 --> 02:40:21.200 And then I'll usually for like a snag or something 3410 02:40:21.200 --> 02:40:24.479 before dinner, I'll do like a string cheese or something 3411 02:40:24.520 --> 02:40:27.559 like that. And then dinner, I've got another like meal 3412 02:40:27.719 --> 02:40:30.520 service thing that like most of their things are like 3413 02:40:30.680 --> 02:40:34.120 under five hundred calories. And it's like here's a chicken, 3414 02:40:34.399 --> 02:40:37.200 here's a veggie, here's you know, it's just very just 3415 02:40:37.479 --> 02:40:40.639 basic protein, fiber veggie. 3416 02:40:40.840 --> 02:40:41.000 You know. 3417 02:40:41.239 --> 02:40:43.760 So it's microwave stuff. So it's not like fancy or anything. 3418 02:40:43.799 --> 02:40:46.000 But it's like, you know, yeah, I. 3419 02:40:46.079 --> 02:40:47.239 Have to admit something to you. 3420 02:40:47.879 --> 02:40:51.280 I for the last well, I'm not gonna admit, I'm 3421 02:40:51.280 --> 02:40:55.920 gonna brag for the last six weeks, I have chosen 3422 02:40:56.000 --> 02:40:59.079 to do nothing but meal plans. I still go out 3423 02:40:59.079 --> 02:41:00.920 to eat, like we'll want it's a week for a 3424 02:41:01.000 --> 02:41:05.319 little treat. But my lunches are a smoothie service that 3425 02:41:05.440 --> 02:41:07.600 are sent to my door and they're frozen. And my 3426 02:41:07.760 --> 02:41:11.479 dinners are a dinner service that are pre portioned. That 3427 02:41:11.719 --> 02:41:15.799 is my my fallout is portioning because I if I cook, 3428 02:41:16.479 --> 02:41:19.719 I end up eating two to three portions right, yes, 3429 02:41:20.040 --> 02:41:24.600 with these and they are pre cooked, but I heat 3430 02:41:24.639 --> 02:41:26.239 them up in a skillet or whatever. 3431 02:41:26.799 --> 02:41:28.280 Sure, yeah, you can make you do oven, you can 3432 02:41:28.319 --> 02:41:28.760 do skial with that. 3433 02:41:29.000 --> 02:41:33.000 I don't overeat and I've I've lost six pounds. 3434 02:41:33.639 --> 02:41:36.879 Congress and all pound six weeks. And also it's just 3435 02:41:36.959 --> 02:41:39.079 such an easier like you know, we're busy people, and 3436 02:41:39.200 --> 02:41:40.280 it's just so easy. 3437 02:41:40.120 --> 02:41:41.639 To be all hollow night hours. 3438 02:41:41.760 --> 02:41:44.360 Yeah, this is not an ad or anything, but I 3439 02:41:44.440 --> 02:41:46.680 am curious. You should discord me or tell me, you. 3440 02:41:46.719 --> 02:41:49.159 Know, I'm not ashamed of it. Yeah, I've been doing 3441 02:41:49.280 --> 02:41:51.120 a factor. I've been doing Factor. 3442 02:41:51.200 --> 02:41:53.520 Factor is good. I've done a lot of because it 3443 02:41:54.000 --> 02:41:54.680 because it's. 3444 02:41:54.799 --> 02:41:58.520 It's uh, it has the calorie conscious ones, and so 3445 02:41:58.719 --> 02:42:01.520 I just keep everything around five hundred ish or less 3446 02:42:02.000 --> 02:42:05.120 if I do that. Plus, the smoothies are daily harvest, 3447 02:42:05.879 --> 02:42:10.639 which are like two hundred to three hundred calories. I mean, 3448 02:42:10.719 --> 02:42:12.799 like my basically my meals are less than a thousand, 3449 02:42:12.840 --> 02:42:14.959 which gives me lots of room for snacks and drinking, 3450 02:42:15.040 --> 02:42:15.959 which is important to me. 3451 02:42:17.079 --> 02:42:19.440 So I found a way. I found a way to 3452 02:42:19.520 --> 02:42:21.719 figure it out. Or like if I eat these meals 3453 02:42:21.840 --> 02:42:24.959 under like these calories, then I can have three drinks 3454 02:42:25.280 --> 02:42:26.040 and a snack. 3455 02:42:26.840 --> 02:42:28.959 I think we have the exact same things we're looking 3456 02:42:29.040 --> 02:42:31.159 for with this stuff, and like yeahy and stuff like that. 3457 02:42:31.319 --> 02:42:33.799 There are numerous different ones, and you know, like factor 3458 02:42:33.959 --> 02:42:36.479 coc unity of like both those a lot. I'm doing 3459 02:42:36.520 --> 02:42:38.639 a new one now called clean Eats that's really good. 3460 02:42:38.879 --> 02:42:42.000 And yeah, so it's like I've looked into daily harvest, 3461 02:42:42.079 --> 02:42:44.559 Like I'm just very into that hole. Just like make 3462 02:42:44.639 --> 02:42:47.360 this easy for me, but also make it not terrible 3463 02:42:47.399 --> 02:42:48.200 for me health wise. 3464 02:42:48.319 --> 02:42:50.920 So sometimes it's sad, but most of the time, I'm like, 3465 02:42:51.040 --> 02:42:53.680 this is convenient. I can game, I heat up my food, 3466 02:42:53.719 --> 02:42:55.559 and I eat it and it becomes more like fuel. 3467 02:42:55.840 --> 02:42:56.520 It's not something I. 3468 02:42:56.520 --> 02:42:58.319 Realized on to see it. It's sad. 3469 02:42:58.399 --> 02:43:00.479 Really, it's just like, you know, if this leads to 3470 02:43:00.600 --> 02:43:03.200 better quality life and better health stuff and everything like. 3471 02:43:03.239 --> 02:43:04.479 That, that's been my experience. 3472 02:43:04.959 --> 02:43:07.399 Yeah, I had a physical like last week and like shocking, 3473 02:43:07.559 --> 02:43:11.280 my fucking cholesterol is super high. So it's like you 3474 02:43:11.319 --> 02:43:13.000 need to really, you know, get that stuff in. 3475 02:43:13.159 --> 02:43:14.399 Well, what do you have to cut out? If you're 3476 02:43:14.399 --> 02:43:16.600 already doing all this stuff, what else do you cut now? 3477 02:43:17.559 --> 02:43:21.120 I mean, I do just candy give your cholesterol. 3478 02:43:21.559 --> 02:43:23.399 I don't need a lot of candy right now unless 3479 02:43:23.399 --> 02:43:24.920 something like around it. I just don't have candy in 3480 02:43:24.959 --> 02:43:27.840 the house. But like I have fast food and plenty, 3481 02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:29.440 you know, at least once a week. I would say, 3482 02:43:29.719 --> 02:43:32.879 you know, I'm I socialize a lot too, so it's like, okay, 3483 02:43:32.920 --> 02:43:34.799 I'm out at this thing. And we're going to go 3484 02:43:34.840 --> 02:43:37.959 to this bar pub place before the wrestling show, and 3485 02:43:38.000 --> 02:43:39.360 I'm going to get We're gonna get a bunch of 3486 02:43:39.360 --> 02:43:41.879 appetizers and s like that type of stuff. And I drink, 3487 02:43:42.040 --> 02:43:44.079 you know, maybe three nights a week or so. So 3488 02:43:44.239 --> 02:43:46.520 it's like that all adds up quite a bit. So 3489 02:43:47.440 --> 02:43:50.879 having the food thing be like a constant and I 3490 02:43:51.040 --> 02:43:51.520 respect it. 3491 02:43:52.040 --> 02:43:54.399 Yeah, I just want I don't want to just throw 3492 02:43:54.440 --> 02:43:56.799 a little meal to heat. 3493 02:43:57.000 --> 02:43:59.200 And then my rule, I don't know if you follow this, 3494 02:43:59.319 --> 02:44:00.799 Like my rule is, I don't eat it out of 3495 02:44:00.879 --> 02:44:02.760 like the plastic bin they send it in, because I'm like, 3496 02:44:02.840 --> 02:44:05.000 that's a TV dinner. I put it on a I 3497 02:44:05.120 --> 02:44:06.959 put it on a plate, and I eat it at 3498 02:44:07.000 --> 02:44:08.440 a table like a person. 3499 02:44:09.280 --> 02:44:12.600 No, no, yeah, put in a dishwasher. It's a hole 3500 02:44:12.680 --> 02:44:15.760 to do, you gotta, sir. I just folded together like 3501 02:44:15.760 --> 02:44:17.639 a paper plate and just pour it into my gullet 3502 02:44:17.719 --> 02:44:21.200 and swallow it like a duck. Yeah yeah, yeah, the 3503 02:44:21.239 --> 02:44:22.040 doughnuts and hell. 3504 02:44:22.000 --> 02:44:23.000 Yeah yeah great. 3505 02:44:23.399 --> 02:44:27.040 Oh that's so convenient. Now I can go back to gaming, 3506 02:44:27.200 --> 02:44:27.719 he says. 3507 02:44:29.200 --> 02:44:31.760 Honestly, like food, sometimes it's just like this is taking 3508 02:44:31.799 --> 02:44:33.639 too long. I just need to, like get through this 3509 02:44:35.000 --> 02:44:38.799 rotary beats the last couple of weeks. 3510 02:44:38.920 --> 02:44:45.239 Yeah, it's like like five hundred thous. 3511 02:44:48.600 --> 02:44:51.399 Collect literally, Like. 3512 02:44:51.840 --> 02:44:55.159 I will frequently have like fifteen minutes between a show 3513 02:44:55.280 --> 02:44:58.120 going off the air and uh like having to go 3514 02:44:58.200 --> 02:44:59.920 into a meeting, and so I have these like little 3515 02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:03.479 peanut butter packets and awesome, I'm just like scarfing down 3516 02:45:03.520 --> 02:45:04.319 peanut butter packets. 3517 02:45:04.360 --> 02:45:07.040 I don't even do that, but Justin's are delicious. The dark. 3518 02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:09.360 Have you had the peanut butter cups? Yeah? Yeah, those 3519 02:45:09.360 --> 02:45:11.639 are the dark chop. Awesome. 3520 02:45:11.639 --> 02:45:13.239 It's like two hundred calories. It gives you enough to 3521 02:45:13.319 --> 02:45:14.959 just gonna keep you awake for the next thing. 3522 02:45:15.040 --> 02:45:15.200 You know. 3523 02:45:15.520 --> 02:45:18.719 I agree. I am the same, especially on like live 3524 02:45:18.799 --> 02:45:21.079 streaming days, where like I have to live stream as 3525 02:45:21.120 --> 02:45:21.959 a part of my job. 3526 02:45:22.040 --> 02:45:23.920 I'm like, when am I supposed to eat? We usually 3527 02:45:24.159 --> 02:45:27.559 stream at noon, I am. I will go downstairs and 3528 02:45:27.799 --> 02:45:31.399 make a bowl of cereal and I will eat cereals 3529 02:45:31.440 --> 02:45:34.559 like whatever I can fucking scrounge up. It's usually sad, 3530 02:45:34.680 --> 02:45:36.360 but it's like I have to eat something or my 3531 02:45:36.440 --> 02:45:37.760 blood sugar will be too low. 3532 02:45:38.360 --> 02:45:39.959 Yeah, these are like I'm sure these don't sound like 3533 02:45:40.040 --> 02:45:42.000 major like complaints or anything. And I understand that, but 3534 02:45:42.079 --> 02:45:43.719 it's like you do have to think about it where 3535 02:45:43.719 --> 02:45:46.719 it's like on a BombCast day my time, we will 3536 02:45:46.719 --> 02:45:49.159 get into a call at like ten forty five am, 3537 02:45:50.200 --> 02:45:51.879 so you know, I'll wake up at like seven, have 3538 02:45:51.920 --> 02:45:54.719 a little breakfast. Okay, but Dow podcasts, so we got to, 3539 02:45:54.799 --> 02:45:56.680 you know, have like a little something that like you know, 3540 02:45:56.799 --> 02:45:59.840 ten ten thirty totally can we do a three hour podcast? 3541 02:46:00.280 --> 02:46:02.440 And then it'll be like two o'clock and there's like 3542 02:46:02.479 --> 02:46:05.399 a meeting that starts at like thirty or something, not 3543 02:46:05.559 --> 02:46:09.159 really enough time to like have an actual meal. So lunch, yeah, yeah, 3544 02:46:09.280 --> 02:46:11.600 like it goes straight through lunch and like several hours 3545 02:46:11.680 --> 02:46:13.200 on both ends, and it's like when the fuck am 3546 02:46:13.239 --> 02:46:13.719 I gonna eat? 3547 02:46:13.840 --> 02:46:15.360 Like I usually work through lunch. 3548 02:46:15.559 --> 02:46:18.200 I agree, That's why I actually like the smoothies. So again, 3549 02:46:19.040 --> 02:46:21.559 no promo, just like saying like the smoothies are a 3550 02:46:21.639 --> 02:46:24.399 convenient way because I can eat them while I type, 3551 02:46:24.799 --> 02:46:27.200 and I can also eat them while I walk my dog. 3552 02:46:27.399 --> 02:46:29.680 And I love that shit because I walk every day too, 3553 02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:32.040 but I walk with my dog at noon when you know, 3554 02:46:32.159 --> 02:46:34.159 as as long as I'm not live streaming and So 3555 02:46:34.280 --> 02:46:35.639 what I do is I make a smoothie and then 3556 02:46:35.680 --> 02:46:37.680 I walk my dog with my smoothie. And that's a 3557 02:46:37.760 --> 02:46:41.000 really nice system for me. It's really it works really well, 3558 02:46:41.040 --> 02:46:43.000 and I'm really happy with with that. I used to 3559 02:46:43.079 --> 02:46:45.920 make salads and I was like rushing my dog, like, 3560 02:46:46.159 --> 02:46:47.799 you know, around one block because I was like, I 3561 02:46:47.840 --> 02:46:49.760 gotta cut all these fucking tomatoes. 3562 02:46:50.840 --> 02:46:53.719 I don't live like that anymore. I'm happier with my 3563 02:46:53.799 --> 02:46:54.479 smoothie sys. 3564 02:46:54.559 --> 02:46:57.239 So I also don't ever want to eat on camera. 3565 02:46:57.399 --> 02:46:58.760 Really well, I guess I do it when I'm doing 3566 02:46:58.760 --> 02:47:00.280 like personal streams like Giant Bomb. 3567 02:47:00.399 --> 02:47:01.879 I love when people lunch. 3568 02:47:03.159 --> 02:47:05.440 When I we would play Resident Evil and I would 3569 02:47:05.520 --> 02:47:08.319 come come in with hummus and carrots. 3570 02:47:09.159 --> 02:47:11.040 I love when that dude chased me with a chainsaw. 3571 02:47:11.120 --> 02:47:13.959 And I also hear Mary's mouth noises. It's the best. 3572 02:47:14.600 --> 02:47:18.719 Maybe your running person is me eating food running at you. 3573 02:47:19.200 --> 02:47:22.600 Oh my god, Maybe you're right, Mike, it's time to 3574 02:47:22.680 --> 02:47:29.600 record fucking call me brick and kill me right now. 3575 02:47:30.280 --> 02:47:35.000 It would be the worst thing. Ever, how do we 3576 02:47:35.040 --> 02:47:40.559 get on prepared food? I lost and Dan's definitely the 3577 02:47:40.719 --> 02:47:41.920 Dan is definitely the next person. 3578 02:47:41.760 --> 02:47:43.239 Get Dan's going to be the next person to be 3579 02:47:43.280 --> 02:47:45.719 injured because you're already injured. I actually don't get injured 3580 02:47:46.200 --> 02:47:49.600 very often. I just don't do dangerous sh it anymore. 3581 02:47:50.120 --> 02:47:51.479 I do have a scooter either. 3582 02:47:51.719 --> 02:47:54.000 Dan doesn't either. We filled his bat up with mac 3583 02:47:54.079 --> 02:47:55.280 and cheese and it's just happening. 3584 02:47:55.959 --> 02:48:00.680 Nothing. Self injured all the time. Mike. Between the two 3585 02:48:00.760 --> 02:48:02.920 of us, we're both pretty safe. 3586 02:48:03.040 --> 02:48:05.719 But I think it's possible that I could get murked 3587 02:48:05.799 --> 02:48:07.600 yelling at someone in a bar, so I would say 3588 02:48:07.879 --> 02:48:08.479 Dan than me. 3589 02:48:08.639 --> 02:48:14.440 Then you agreed. I think I'm safe. Okay, knock on? 3590 02:48:14.520 --> 02:48:19.040 Would if Mike's the first to die, that's gonna be crazy. 3591 02:48:19.959 --> 02:48:22.399 It's going to be an explosion. I always say that 3592 02:48:23.040 --> 02:48:25.639 would be like a snake eater boss, You're gonna yell 3593 02:48:25.639 --> 02:48:29.959 your name and explode. That'd be fucking sick sick uh 3594 02:48:31.520 --> 02:48:34.040 last one self indulgent. This is from Michael and Buffalo Mike. 3595 02:48:34.040 --> 02:48:35.479 I've read a bunch of your book reck one hundred 3596 02:48:35.520 --> 02:48:37.399 Years Solitude Visit from the goon Squad. In the distance, 3597 02:48:37.479 --> 02:48:41.600 they've all hit Kee, the Rex coming uh City and 3598 02:48:41.680 --> 02:48:46.760 the city by China Mayville I or Keina Mayville. I 3599 02:48:46.840 --> 02:48:50.840 hear people say differently all the Time. Incredible book. Uh 3600 02:48:51.200 --> 02:48:56.360 and then I guess if you like magical realism, I'd 3601 02:48:56.399 --> 02:49:00.319 say go for City of Bohan bo H a n 3602 02:49:00.399 --> 02:49:03.959 E by Kevin Berry, Irish writer. I guess rounded out 3603 02:49:03.959 --> 02:49:11.079 with an even three wind up Bird Chronicle by Harouki 3604 02:49:11.120 --> 02:49:13.559 morriccount No no, no, no no. Actually, let's let's say 3605 02:49:14.719 --> 02:49:18.680 swamp Landia by Karen Russell. Also really really good book. 3606 02:49:18.719 --> 02:49:22.040 That's that kind of vibes with those ones. Well, thank 3607 02:49:22.040 --> 02:49:25.280 you everybody who wrote in. Again, that's firescape cast at gmail. 3608 02:49:25.440 --> 02:49:28.440 He asks me for my smut recommendations anymore. 3609 02:49:28.639 --> 02:49:32.079 Fantasy fantasy, Fucker's Dwarf. 3610 02:49:31.879 --> 02:49:34.399 Dix or Big, the. 3611 02:49:36.079 --> 02:49:38.760 Conch in the Big Hole. 3612 02:49:40.840 --> 02:49:43.280 The Big Hole, and the class quest for the clip, 3613 02:49:43.799 --> 02:49:44.600 the mythical clip. 3614 02:49:48.159 --> 02:49:49.760 It's about a wrestler. 3615 02:49:51.319 --> 02:49:56.120 Crunch must take the ring to the g spot, which 3616 02:49:56.280 --> 02:50:02.840 might not exist in the fabled land of female orgasms. 3617 02:50:07.479 --> 02:50:11.840 Thanks everybody. That's Firescape cast at gmail dot com. Please 3618 02:50:11.959 --> 02:50:16.600 get those questions in for next episode. Again, we restocked 3619 02:50:17.360 --> 02:50:20.000 on our merch site at fourth Wall look up fourth 3620 02:50:20.040 --> 02:50:22.600 Wall fire Escape Cast. We restocked on the stainless steel 3621 02:50:22.680 --> 02:50:27.399 water bottles the white ones. That's at Firescape Merch dot com. 3622 02:50:27.479 --> 02:50:29.079 I think we might have to re up that site. 3623 02:50:29.079 --> 02:50:30.719 We'll figure it out. It's on our Patreon. You can 3624 02:50:30.799 --> 02:50:34.719 find it we like I mentioned, if you're in the 3625 02:50:35.079 --> 02:50:39.399 New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Jersey, or just are gonna be 3626 02:50:39.440 --> 02:50:44.239 in the area. Later in October Pennsylvan October twentieth, I'm 3627 02:50:44.319 --> 02:50:48.000 helping organize a Smash pros tournament, thirty two person tournament. 3628 02:50:48.040 --> 02:50:51.239 There's gonna be a buy in. The ticket's also going 3629 02:50:51.319 --> 02:50:53.319 to get you a drink, and then they're gonna have 3630 02:50:54.159 --> 02:50:57.719 some et C We're gonna have some other wines on 3631 02:50:57.799 --> 02:51:00.959 the glass list, but then the top three players are 3632 02:51:01.040 --> 02:51:04.000 gonna get some really cool prizes from the seller. So 3633 02:51:04.399 --> 02:51:09.440 I'll post the specific details there once we get things solidified. 3634 02:51:09.479 --> 02:51:11.639 But that's basically we're almost there, so that's why I'm 3635 02:51:11.639 --> 02:51:14.680 talking about now. We are gonna keep talking about the 3636 02:51:15.200 --> 02:51:18.200 dates for our Game of the Year stream. We have 3637 02:51:18.360 --> 02:51:21.360 a tentative one behind the scenes, but we're not technically 3638 02:51:21.440 --> 02:51:24.399 ready to announce it yet. I'm sure that'll come soon though, 3639 02:51:24.440 --> 02:51:27.719 once we solidify things with potential travel and whatnot. It'll 3640 02:51:27.760 --> 02:51:30.639 be in Minneapolis. That'll be the usual Saturday night live 3641 02:51:30.719 --> 02:51:34.399 stream on I think on Dan's Twitch channel. We'll talk 3642 02:51:34.440 --> 02:51:37.200 more about that in the coming episodes. Dan, what do 3643 02:51:37.280 --> 02:51:40.200 you have going on in the meantime before next episode? 3644 02:51:41.079 --> 02:51:41.959 Gime bomb dot com. 3645 02:51:42.840 --> 02:51:45.440 I think I am next up on Blake Clubs, So 3646 02:51:45.799 --> 02:51:48.520 as soon as Mike finishes up his game, I have 3647 02:51:48.559 --> 02:51:50.520 to play whatever the fuck they're send me, so that 3648 02:51:50.639 --> 02:51:53.000 should be on Wednesdays going forward. But yeah, check out 3649 02:51:53.040 --> 02:51:56.319 time bomb dot com or our YouTube channels and all 3650 02:51:56.360 --> 02:51:57.000 that good stuff. 3651 02:51:57.239 --> 02:51:59.559 What is Mike playing for black Club right now? Speaking? 3652 02:51:59.639 --> 02:52:04.280 Virtual hide Light for the Sega Saturn, which does not 3653 02:52:04.399 --> 02:52:06.040 look like a game for me at all. 3654 02:52:06.440 --> 02:52:08.879 Okay, hmm, Mary, what do you have going on? 3655 02:52:10.000 --> 02:52:13.479 I will be streaming one more time, but I do 3656 02:52:14.120 --> 02:52:16.799 leave for Tokyo Game Show, So. 3657 02:52:18.959 --> 02:52:24.360 These two boys will be taking over in the next episode. 3658 02:52:24.520 --> 02:52:26.719 Who knows who will be on. It could be anyone 3659 02:52:27.399 --> 02:52:27.920 because I will be. 3660 02:52:28.159 --> 02:52:29.920 I want to talk about Yota. I want to talk 3661 02:52:29.920 --> 02:52:31.399 about Yota for sure. Next episode. 3662 02:52:31.399 --> 02:52:33.920 Well, you got to get someone on who loves the Yota. 3663 02:52:34.959 --> 02:52:39.719 Yep, we both will be talking about next episode. Jake's 3664 02:52:39.760 --> 02:52:41.799 coming to my neck of the woods in a few days. 3665 02:52:41.840 --> 02:52:42.440 That'll be fun. 3666 02:52:44.040 --> 02:52:46.239 Happy birthday, Mike, Thank you. 3667 02:52:46.920 --> 02:52:48.239 How old how old do you think I am? 3668 02:52:48.719 --> 02:52:50.159 Twenty four, thirty six. 3669 02:52:50.959 --> 02:52:51.680 Mary's closer. 3670 02:52:53.040 --> 02:52:56.680 I'm actual answer, maybe thirty three. 3671 02:52:57.079 --> 02:52:59.200 Yeah, that's your final answer. 3672 02:53:00.399 --> 02:53:05.719 I almost hit thirty two, probably thirty thirty four, thirty four. 3673 02:53:06.559 --> 02:53:08.879 I was like, you're a baby, okay. 3674 02:53:08.680 --> 02:53:11.760 Okay, yeah, I mean I don't think thirty four makes 3675 02:53:11.799 --> 02:53:14.079 me a baby. I started, I'd like, I, what are 3676 02:53:14.079 --> 02:53:14.559 you going to turn? 3677 02:53:14.639 --> 02:53:15.040 Like twelve? 3678 02:53:15.319 --> 02:53:20.200 I try not to complain, but I think, like I 3679 02:53:20.319 --> 02:53:23.840 hit thirty three and I actually started feeling some aging 3680 02:53:24.479 --> 02:53:26.239 and I was reading. I was reading an article like 3681 02:53:26.319 --> 02:53:29.840 apparently malebodies specifically do most of their aging when you 3682 02:53:29.959 --> 02:53:31.760 hit thirty two thirty three, and all of a sudden, 3683 02:53:31.760 --> 02:53:33.319 it happens a lot at once, and I'm feeling it. 3684 02:53:34.200 --> 02:53:36.680 I know it's a cliche, but it's like, yeah, there's 3685 02:53:36.719 --> 02:53:37.040 the reason. 3686 02:53:37.079 --> 02:53:40.120 I'm just like surrounded by constantly fiddling with things to 3687 02:53:40.280 --> 02:53:42.079 fucking make everything feel better. 3688 02:53:42.200 --> 02:53:43.479 Yeah, to no avail. 3689 02:53:43.600 --> 02:53:46.959 Really there is like I'm looking forward to the endless 3690 02:53:47.000 --> 02:53:49.000 battle of attrition that leads to nothing. 3691 02:53:49.680 --> 02:53:54.040 Everybody's different, Yeah, mine was like around thirty five. I 3692 02:53:54.239 --> 02:53:59.719 was like, oh my, my metabolism is different. I cannot 3693 02:53:59.760 --> 02:54:01.159 eat cheese fries, the way I used to. 3694 02:54:01.319 --> 02:54:02.200 I just can't anymore. 3695 02:54:03.040 --> 02:54:08.799 Drinking, eating, drinking, all of that stuff is becomes a 3696 02:54:08.840 --> 02:54:09.879 lot different, which is. 3697 02:54:09.879 --> 02:54:12.600 Why like getting into wine is nice because I think, 3698 02:54:12.719 --> 02:54:14.600 like to truly enjoy it the way I want to. 3699 02:54:14.760 --> 02:54:17.440 It does just kind of by definition, encourage moderation. But 3700 02:54:17.600 --> 02:54:21.280 like on those rare occasions when I'm not moderating that 3701 02:54:21.479 --> 02:54:25.520 next day and or and change, my body is is 3702 02:54:25.600 --> 02:54:27.280 not built like it was when I was twenty two, 3703 02:54:28.200 --> 02:54:28.479 which is. 3704 02:54:28.479 --> 02:54:30.520 Probably don't worry, it gets better, don't worry. 3705 02:54:30.639 --> 02:54:38.120 Great, I can't wear over yea wait, I'll be spin 3706 02:54:38.239 --> 02:54:39.760 it on that pole before you know it. 3707 02:54:40.280 --> 02:54:41.000 Get older. 3708 02:54:41.719 --> 02:54:43.399 It is fun though, like because all your friends are 3709 02:54:43.440 --> 02:54:45.639 getting older too, so it's like everyone's just kind of 3710 02:54:45.719 --> 02:54:50.159 like you can all talk about it. Yeah, joining the 3711 02:54:50.239 --> 02:54:53.120 club slowly, yeah yeah, and then we're all just gonna 3712 02:54:53.159 --> 02:54:54.600 it's gonna get worse until we die. 3713 02:54:54.520 --> 02:54:55.799 And then I'll be on the pole at the fuck 3714 02:54:55.879 --> 02:54:57.440 fuck club. My favorite chef. 3715 02:54:58.159 --> 02:54:59.200 That's what we're having our meetup. 3716 02:54:59.639 --> 02:55:03.239 Helly, Yeah, here he comes. What was my poll guy name? 3717 02:55:04.760 --> 02:55:14.719 Brick Tension, Gronk mccallahan, Oh, Fatty Chubb Chub or something 3718 02:55:14.799 --> 02:55:14.959 like that. 3719 02:55:15.159 --> 02:55:17.920 Oh yeah, there's something about a dick and chubb. I 3720 02:55:17.959 --> 02:55:22.440 guess fat slim cock, slimcock. 3721 02:55:22.840 --> 02:55:29.040 It's a terrible and all the women are like, do 3722 02:55:29.239 --> 02:55:30.840 even notice what's down there? 3723 02:55:31.840 --> 02:55:36.920 Single fucking big boy with a pencil dick mean anything? 3724 02:55:37.520 --> 02:55:38.399 Somebody's into it? 3725 02:55:38.760 --> 02:55:42.879 Oh hell yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, more 3726 02:55:42.959 --> 02:55:46.719 power to them. Why did someone write fine Time, way 3727 02:55:46.799 --> 02:55:49.440 way way at the bottom of our Masters show run 3728 02:55:49.520 --> 02:55:53.280 of show no idea where that could possibly be fine time? 3729 02:55:57.079 --> 02:56:00.000 This is when we were coming up with wine magazin 3730 02:56:00.000 --> 02:56:05.120 seen names. Oh I remember that podcast names Wine Time. 3731 02:56:06.600 --> 02:56:10.159 Okay, that's gross. All right, Well, thank you boy for 3732 02:56:10.399 --> 02:56:15.479 joining us. That was episode sixty seven. We're looking forward 3733 02:56:15.520 --> 02:56:18.239 to June. It's gonna be here. It's gonna be a 3734 02:56:18.280 --> 02:56:21.559 good summer this summer, so we'll see you the next episode. 3735 02:56:21.920 --> 02:56:23.879 Thanks for joining. Appreciate it. 3736 02:56:25.879 --> 02:56:27.600 Bye bye,