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<v Speaker 1>Of the NBA. Ah the dog days of summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's hot, it's humid, and it's actually quiet, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>after the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fever of.

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<v Speaker 2>Free agency frenzy, you know, it's got to be at

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<v Speaker 2>least a moment for us to kind of like take

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<v Speaker 2>a breath, right, So I think we're in that period

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<v Speaker 2>right now where everybody is taking a moment, taking a breath,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll you know, raise our eyebrows up and

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<v Speaker 2>then say, oh, crap, it's media day. Oh crap, it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's so ta's again. So you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a good time, especially to to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gather your bearings, especially with the blitz of everything that's

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<v Speaker 2>been going on, you know, previously the last few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>And as always, when we go ahead and roll at

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<v Speaker 2>the red carpet. To my right hand man www dot

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<v Speaker 2>shaw sports dot netpickhun the P and T. My man

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<v Speaker 2>is one shot repping out of Fort Florida to Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>What's good, brother, man? How you doing back up in

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<v Speaker 2>the joint? Brother?

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<v Speaker 1>Taking my fresh off a little mini vacation myself as

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA world is all like everyone's you know in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe or you know, in the in the Caribbean, or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever case may be. Luckily I live in a place

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of people come to vacation. But I

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<v Speaker 1>went up the coast and took me a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days back. But we're back here, man, and ready to

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<v Speaker 1>rock with the baseline as always, power packs show ready

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<v Speaker 1>for folks to rock.

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<v Speaker 2>And roll with absolutely man. So this is also a

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<v Speaker 2>good opportunity for us to to kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>navigate things a little bit differently. I know everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, salivating, waiting, you know, impatiently to start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about new players, new faces and new places. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>get ready for the previews already, you know, pre talking

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, who's gonna hoist the trophy and everything

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Settle down.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be plenty of time to do that, right Like,

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA will not disappoint in giving us fodder for

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<v Speaker 2>for for talk. Okay, So, but we wanted to take

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a different approach, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of goes the way of how our minds

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<v Speaker 2>kind of work in this part of the offseason, right Like,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're players who are a part of this free

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<v Speaker 2>agency frenzy that really didn't get a lot of press,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't get a lot of conversation of. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think you me shaw like and maybe even our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>might think differently about whether or not, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure that these guys don't get overlooked

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think that them being in new destinations

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<v Speaker 2>and new places may actually have an impact on whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not the teams that they're going to be playing

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<v Speaker 2>for and why they got them is going to put

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<v Speaker 2>put them in the best position possible for them to

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<v Speaker 2>make that run. Right, So we're going to highlight our

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<v Speaker 2>buy and sell feature with guys who we know there

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be some level of Hoop redemption, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be on that buy and sell mode about

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<v Speaker 2>are we completely buying it? Are we all in on

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that this them being in this situation, this

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<v Speaker 2>circumstance with this team is the right fit. Are we

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<v Speaker 2>selling out on the idea that even if they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be there, they're not really the ones right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to take something else and whatever it is

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to probably bring to the table might

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<v Speaker 2>not be enough for whatever those expectations might be. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there's a long list, but we're just

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<v Speaker 2>highlighting guys that we feel like didn't get enough conversation

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<v Speaker 2>or talk. But we thought that the move itself was

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<v Speaker 2>signifying something for what these teams are trying to put

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<v Speaker 2>position themselves prepare themselves to do. So we'll let you

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<v Speaker 2>know what those guys are. And as always, we appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>everybody for hopping on board with us this week. Be

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<v Speaker 2>sure to get the my Manshaw as sports. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>at D warrant. Shall I keep forgetting that man? Now

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<v Speaker 2>that you're official and you put the D in front

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<v Speaker 2>of your name, it's just you know, yeah, you're you're, you're,

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<v Speaker 2>You're so Hollywood that man, like I almost have to

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, one day, one day, I'm you know, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to put it into existence. As I speak.

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<v Speaker 2>You let me know when I got clearance to to

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<v Speaker 2>then put the the game Face League because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>game Face Lead was already good.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, you rock and roll. But you can

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<v Speaker 2>let's get right into it, man, this is our buyer

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<v Speaker 2>sell mode regarding you know, players that we reel like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, listen, the move is made. They're part of

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation, but they deserve a little bit of talk, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And the whole idea is do we buy or sell

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<v Speaker 2>on some of these players because quite frankly, the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why they didn't get talked about is the likelihood is

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<v Speaker 2>they had a pretty disappointing season or for whatever reason

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<v Speaker 2>where they were playing or who they were playing with,

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<v Speaker 2>they just did not perform to the level that I

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<v Speaker 2>think would have impacted them for why they were brought.

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<v Speaker 1>There to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's not to say that these guys are trash

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<v Speaker 2>or these you know, their season, their careers or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But we do think that there is an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity of hoops redemption because now you start looking at

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<v Speaker 2>what these guys are expected to come and do for

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<v Speaker 2>these teams, and the idea is that if they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to do it at a high level, most certainly they

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<v Speaker 2>will bounce back and perform at the level we've always

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<v Speaker 2>expected them to be. So I'll let you start it off, Shaw,

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<v Speaker 2>Who are you starting with for our conversation of buy

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<v Speaker 2>or sell hoops redemption?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm actually going to go with somebody who's not

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<v Speaker 1>in a position who's going to be all that impactful

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of team winning. Right, this team is resetting

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<v Speaker 1>the table for what they want to do. And we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this every now and then. Sometimes a great

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<v Speaker 1>move is understanding, like, hey, understanding that you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be great and it's time to like, let's try

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<v Speaker 1>to develop some young talent. Get as much talent as

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<v Speaker 1>we can here tank air quotes, so to speak. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, try to get yourself in positions for great

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<v Speaker 1>lottery picks. And I'm talking right now. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Wizards, and I think they did a really

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<v Speaker 1>good job over the course of this summer to reset

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<v Speaker 1>their roster, right and just say, you know, bring in

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of young dudes. And one of the young

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<v Speaker 1>guys who I think I'm really excited to see if

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<v Speaker 1>he really is as good as people say he is

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<v Speaker 1>or he thinks he is, is Cam Whitmore. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a prime opportunity for Kim Whitmore to truly truly ball

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<v Speaker 1>out now with the Washington Wizards. Young Core. Obviously Carrington

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<v Speaker 1>is there. You got Star there as well. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>even Core kisper to lesser degree coming off the bench.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever right they got was Thomas from from Texas. This

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<v Speaker 1>Washington team is like kind of loaded with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>young guys, and you just don't quite win. Everybody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be But I'm looking for Whitmore to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go out here and be kind of like this alpha,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, because he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a veteran presidence if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>or I guess is what. He's thirty or fourth year

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<v Speaker 1>in the NBA, but I think he's somebody who really

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<v Speaker 1>he could do that in a way that's not just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of empty calories. It's something that we will ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>want to see here. But wit More's primed to have

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<v Speaker 1>a really breakout year in terms of his statistical performance.

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<v Speaker 1>But can it translate to somebody into something that the

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of a bridge to like their next iteration.

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<v Speaker 1>But is he a pseudo building piece as like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, this is a nice, complimentary guy who

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<v Speaker 1>can get you a lot of points, can rebound a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit as well too. I'm really excited for the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Can Moore should happen Washington?

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<v Speaker 2>So I would be excited for him. I think my

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<v Speaker 2>question to you Shaw is will the maturity catch up

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<v Speaker 2>with the untapped potential?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I often say to myself when I look at

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<v Speaker 2>some of these guys who they have been highly touted,

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<v Speaker 2>they've been highly recognized. Maybe when they came in they

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<v Speaker 2>were a wildcard project by their previous organizations. Somehow something

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<v Speaker 2>has not synced in. And I'm not blaming the player.

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<v Speaker 2>It could certainly be the situation, the circumstance. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be the development system that they were involved in. Something

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<v Speaker 2>just hasn't clicked with Cam Whitmore. And you get to

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<v Speaker 2>a point, especially when a player who is now fully

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<v Speaker 2>baked in. He's no longer like you know, a one

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<v Speaker 2>year rookie or anything like that. This is someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>baked in, already understanding the nuances of how he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to make himself successful. I am often scared

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<v Speaker 2>when I see situations like this For a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Whitmore, I'm not liking him to a Jordan Poole,

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is is that, like Jordan Pool

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<v Speaker 2>was someone where that opportunity was there for him because

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<v Speaker 2>he played on a mature roster and positioned himself well

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<v Speaker 2>Now he has an opportunity to go to an organization

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<v Speaker 2>Some of these guys just don't understand that. And to

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Whitmore, when he's on one, what he could really

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Can he do that now knowing that this is basically

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<v Speaker 1>May be.

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<v Speaker 2>What better way for you to be able to do

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<v Speaker 2>guys that are around you, and you didn't stand out,

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<v Speaker 1>take some shots. What's going to be the Rold delineation

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<v Speaker 1>on this team. I'm not quite sure what that is

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<v Speaker 1>just yet right now as we're you know, in August,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's just gonna have opportunity to get minutes

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<v Speaker 1>in gedible And now, as you alluded to, is he

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<v Speaker 1>That remains to be seen. I think we'll know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot after this year, whether or not the Wizards choose

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up year four and five you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>him on that rookie contract, or whether or not they're

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<v Speaker 1>like all right, we've seen enough, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like they did with Jordan Pool in two years, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, well, we're good on that. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>quite the dude, but I'm rooting for campbet More obviously

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<v Speaker 1>slipped in the draft a couple of years ago. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of you know, a lot of uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a lot to prove, He's got a big

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you there. I think there's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for him to have an awesome season, right how

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<v Speaker 2>and what that translates to, you know, again, I think

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<v Speaker 2>pertains to the roster that he's playing around like that

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<v Speaker 2>he'll be surrounded by, right, there's some potential, really really

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<v Speaker 2>good players there. Will the chemistry be there, right with

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Carrington and you know Sorr and those guys, Like

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<v Speaker 2>they could figure out a way like and listen, they

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<v Speaker 2>could very much do like what did you did? You

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<v Speaker 1>Like, there's an opportunity there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that that Whitmore is anything like Kay Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 2>but what I'm saying is Kay Cunningham put in that

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<v Speaker 2>lottery pick, being among one of the best players in

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<v Speaker 2>that draft being selected, and he already understood the history

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<v Speaker 2>of what's been going on with the Detroit Pistons, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that lent itself for him to be fast

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<v Speaker 2>for the Detroit Pistons. And so that's what I mean, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if this is an opportunity for Kim Whitmore to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of show us, it doesn't have to be getting those

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<v Speaker 2>twenty points easy. Like we know that if you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>the minute, you're gonna get the opportunities, you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>the shots. But if you're somebody who's really not within

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<v Speaker 2>the flow of the potential of the guys that are

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<v Speaker 2>So you're just trying to get yours and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>E yeah, all right, all right, well you give us

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<v Speaker 1>here your first guy here, you know, enough Cam Wetmore

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<v Speaker 1>talk a room for young fella, But who you got,

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<v Speaker 1>See who's your first guy on this line?

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<v Speaker 2>So the first person I want to talk to talk

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<v Speaker 2>talk about is ironically enough, I wasn't. I was on

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<v Speaker 2>it's important that we do have this conversation about Lonzo

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<v Speaker 2>Ball and Lonzo Ball being a part of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know if people really understand it like

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<v Speaker 2>this is the Cleveland Cavaliers really really really rolling the

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<v Speaker 2>depth that they didn't have access to with a legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>point guard, and also acknowledging that this isn't about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>anything regarding Darius Garland. I think, of anything, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>recognizing that they need Darius Garland in whatever capacity that

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<v Speaker 2>he's available to without stretching him thin, especially through his

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<v Speaker 2>young career, and basically enabling the Cleveland Cavaliers that still

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<v Speaker 2>and having a guy like Lonzo Ball on that roster.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, the thing that I think really stands

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<v Speaker 2>out more than anything when I think about Lonzo Ball,

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<v Speaker 2>when I think about the Ball brothers, Lonzo Ball, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>reflected the most of the most successful of the brothers

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<v Speaker 2>arguably right like where he went. He actually did have

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<v Speaker 2>an impact when he was healthy, and it's just terrible

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<v Speaker 2>that the injuries have just completely ravaged what we could

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<v Speaker 2>have potentially seen in his career. But this is an

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<v Speaker 2>they are going to properly utilize him and put him

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<v Speaker 2>in the best positions possible where we see the maximum

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to be available when it really matters

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<v Speaker 2>the most, when we really wanted to have this opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing the you know, the greatness that's within life

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<v Speaker 2>Lonzo Ball as to what he can do, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is a great situation for him. I do think and

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<v Speaker 2>believe that there's a hoop predemption storyline to this because

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<v Speaker 2>we've been doing this all all throughout the Balls brothers careers,

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<v Speaker 2>right like, we've been giving them chance after chance after

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<v Speaker 2>chance after chance. There comes a point where we just

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<v Speaker 2>we stop with all of this. Right, it's no longer

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<v Speaker 2>the father, it's no longer about LaMelo, It's not all

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<v Speaker 2>about Leangelo. This is about Lonzo, and if Lonzo recognizes

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<v Speaker 2>that he has a window where he can be successful,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's with a team that has been in the

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs the last three years. He has to be one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why they're now taking that next step,

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<v Speaker 2>which is ultimately getting to the Eastern Conference Finals, ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>getting to the NBA Finals. He has to be an

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<v Speaker 2>important reason for them to do that. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm looking forward to when I speak about Lonzo

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<v Speaker 2>Ball because due the years, we've been deprived of the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity of what he can actually bring to the table

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<v Speaker 2>for the team, for the teams that he's played for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, he's got to stay healthy first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the acquisition of bringing him in behind Garland,

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<v Speaker 1>who himself was banged up, is going to be I

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<v Speaker 1>think hopefully a nice one two combo that they can

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<v Speaker 1>continue to get play creation when Garland is off the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>because then when Garland's out, it kind of defaults to

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan Mitchell, who obviously can do it, but it's still

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<v Speaker 1>secondary creator, not having to be a primary for any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a six minute trench just because Garland

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<v Speaker 1>is off the floor. So that allows Lonzo to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do that. And if you believe this three

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<v Speaker 1>point shooting has improved in the way that we saw

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of last year and then obviously before he

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<v Speaker 1>got injured for those last couple of years, then that's

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<v Speaker 1>somebody as well too. If Donnavan is driving, he's kicking

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<v Speaker 1>out or Mobley's getting double team, same thing. Somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>the wings and the corners. I don't know that he's

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<v Speaker 1>and if he's going to be able to raise the

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<v Speaker 1>floor for them on the fast riag side, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>still bringing a steady force, is going to make smart

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<v Speaker 1>decisions for them, and that's what this Cavaliers team need.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think when you talk about the depth, that

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<v Speaker 1>in a real way. They lost Ti Jerome obviously they

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<v Speaker 1>so he's not gonna be able to provide the scoring punch.

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine that Jerome did, I think at times.

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<v Speaker 1>But again that play creation and then a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>sense for this Cavaliers team that definitely needs something else

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<v Speaker 1>on that bench from when it comes to the backcourt spot, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're they're pretty rocket and rolling when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the front court, but that backcourt was a little

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<v Speaker 1>iffy of Goaling and Donovan weren't really weren't always at

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<v Speaker 1>year with DeAndre Hunter and now hopefully with a full

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<v Speaker 1>year with him, see what he'll be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So when it comes to Linzo, I'll just make this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, point real quick. You know, last year, he

427
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<v Speaker 2>really you know, he played about thirty five games, right,

428
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<v Speaker 2>obviously injury ridden, only averaged about twenty two minutes, right,

429
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<v Speaker 2>only averaging around three and a half sisper game. And

430
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<v Speaker 2>I was just curious, you know, from your perspective, Shaw,

431
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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the statistics, you know, and and

432
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<v Speaker 2>the skill set of a guy like Lonzo Ball, I

433
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<v Speaker 2>think that Lonzo Ball actually will help out guys like

434
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<v Speaker 2>Sam Merril and guys like DeAndre Hunter, you know, what

435
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like, he doesn't necessarily have to be scoring

436
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<v Speaker 2>the basketball, so we don't have to worry about that

437
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<v Speaker 2>part of it. But his ability to to distribute, his

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<v Speaker 2>ability to hit guys you know, in spots and spaces

439
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<v Speaker 2>and things of that nature, I think is so critical

440
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<v Speaker 2>and to me, it's what continues to give Kenny Atkinson options,

441
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<v Speaker 2>you know, and the ability to plug and play and

442
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<v Speaker 2>mess with the roster a little bit more rather than

443
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<v Speaker 2>only relying on certain guys when they're streaking, you know

444
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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, and that that isn't necessarily the case.

445
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<v Speaker 2>He knows his best players are going to be the

446
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<v Speaker 2>ones that are going to have to step up to

447
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<v Speaker 2>that next level, but he definitely needs the floor general

448
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<v Speaker 2>rules to get those guys those opportunities in those spots.

449
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<v Speaker 2>To me, what do you think should be the one

450
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<v Speaker 2>thing that you want to see as an on an

451
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<v Speaker 2>uptick that gives you the confidence for Lonzo for Lonzo

452
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<v Speaker 2>Ball to have that kind of season that you alluded to.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's just it has to. It

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<v Speaker 1>begins to starting meet with the health. Is he on

455
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<v Speaker 1>the floor, it is he available? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So the number of games played.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right? I think he'll mention five. I mean, I

458
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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize that, you know, Laryn ANSWER's back on this

459
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<v Speaker 1>roster as well. But I think you know somebody who

460
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<v Speaker 1>will be able to fill the lob. I think to

461
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<v Speaker 1>Alan Mobley and maybe even Nansen, whatever minutes he's able

462
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<v Speaker 1>to get. And then also you know, play create and

463
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<v Speaker 1>and play off, you know, off the pick and roll,

464
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<v Speaker 1>you know, and hit guys on the corners and in

465
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<v Speaker 1>the wings, you know when he is trying to drive

466
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<v Speaker 1>to the basket. Don't know what his floyd's looking like

467
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<v Speaker 1>these days, but that's a shot that I think he'll

468
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<v Speaker 1>have to be able to hit offensively, and just whether

469
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<v Speaker 1>or not he's able to impact them defensively in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that's not negative. Like I said before, I really

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<v Speaker 1>like the overall edition. Ironically, I don't want to get

472
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<v Speaker 1>too down the road of you know, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of your land the cause theories. But our

474
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<v Speaker 1>guy Gerald on Rick Mhorn, they were talking on serious ExM.

475
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<v Speaker 1>I think when it announced early in the summer, they're like,

476
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<v Speaker 1>this could be maybe the Koban Cavaliers are not all

477
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<v Speaker 1>that excited about keeping Garland and could Lonzo Ball be

478
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<v Speaker 1>the replacement clearly Garland's a better player than the Lonzo ball, right,

479
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<v Speaker 1>But it's like they were saying, could Garland then be

480
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<v Speaker 1>the Conda do it to a trade that gets an

481
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<v Speaker 1>even more depth and letting Lonzo kind of be maybe

482
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<v Speaker 1>the lead guard in that situation. I don't know, as

483
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<v Speaker 1>it'll seem a little far fetch at the time. A

484
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<v Speaker 1>guy Gerald, you know, Rick, like they you know, they

485
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<v Speaker 1>do they do some they do some real fun stuff

486
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<v Speaker 1>I think on the weekends there. But it was an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting take at the time. I think Gerald specifically was saying,

488
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<v Speaker 1>and while I wasn't necessarily buying that, I could see

489
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<v Speaker 1>where he could come up with the narrative, so to speak.

490
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<v Speaker 1>But I think they made this move in essence to

491
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<v Speaker 1>have both of them, especially for this year, to see

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<v Speaker 1>if they can make a deeper run of the Eastern Conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, absolutely, you're tuned to the baseline Cali warren Shaw

494
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<v Speaker 2>discussing the hot button topics of the NBA coming up

495
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<v Speaker 2>sew and I will dig into another set of players

496
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<v Speaker 2>who we are on the buyer sell bandwagon of hoops redemption.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to miss it here on the baseline, we

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<v Speaker 2>are back Calie Warrenshaw Baseline NBA podcasts, and we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>our buy or sell edition of Hoops Redemption. Guys that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get a lot of press, pub talk or conversation,

501
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<v Speaker 2>but we do think that the moves made might speak

502
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more about whether or not this is

503
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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity for these guys to either be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>applauded or lauded when it's all said and done with

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<v Speaker 2>with what they should be contributing for their new teams.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, y'all, So let me go ahead, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start with my number two in this conversation, And this,

508
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<v Speaker 2>to me is one that definitely flew under the radar,

509
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna speak to it because I was a

510
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<v Speaker 2>little surprise at how off of season it was for

511
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<v Speaker 2>Contavious Caldwell Pope. And you know, when I think about,

512
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<v Speaker 2>you know, who he is as a player, what he's

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<v Speaker 2>meant over the last three four years. It's been kind

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting to me because guy teams that are bringing

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<v Speaker 2>in contables calledwell Pope know what they're bringing him for,

516
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<v Speaker 2>and he knows what he's being brought in for. And

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<v Speaker 2>since winning the championship for the Denver Nuggets, Okay, it

518
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<v Speaker 2>just feels like something is a little bit off, right.

519
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<v Speaker 2>He's not as defensively sound as he was coming off

520
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<v Speaker 2>that season to help them win that championship. His three

521
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<v Speaker 2>point shooting has not been, you know, as consistent, has

522
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<v Speaker 2>actually been on a down tick, right, And even this

523
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<v Speaker 2>even last year with what happened with the Orlando Magic,

524
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<v Speaker 2>and I was watching those playoff games, he just seemed

525
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<v Speaker 2>to be doing a lot more talking than actually helping

526
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<v Speaker 2>the Orlando Magic basically lean a lot more into what

527
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<v Speaker 2>made them who they were. And I'm not saying it

528
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<v Speaker 2>was his fault. What I'm just saying is that it

529
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<v Speaker 2>just seemed a little out of character with what you

530
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<v Speaker 2>come to know when you think about KC Peak And

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<v Speaker 2>so to me, him now being with the Memphis Grizzlies,

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<v Speaker 2>I find it interesting because I think where a lot

533
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<v Speaker 2>of people are on this perception that the Memphis Grizzlies

534
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<v Speaker 2>are selling out because they got rid of Desmond Bain.

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe that they still believe that they have

536
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<v Speaker 2>an inside chance, like any of the teams in the

537
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<v Speaker 2>Western Conference to make a play. And you only bring

538
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<v Speaker 2>a veteran guy on here if you truly believe that

539
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<v Speaker 2>he can work with John Moran. He can work with

540
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<v Speaker 2>Jaren Jackson Junior and if nothing else, elevate them to

541
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<v Speaker 2>play even better defensively without compromising what you were getting

542
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<v Speaker 2>from the play of Desmond Baine. Now he's not your replacement,

543
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<v Speaker 2>but what I'm saying is is that you obviously are

544
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<v Speaker 2>bringing him to the table knowing that he can help

545
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<v Speaker 2>bring contribution to what the MEMPHISUS could potentially do, especially

546
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<v Speaker 2>as a starting three and d kind of guard on

547
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<v Speaker 2>that roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm not so sure that he will start.

549
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<v Speaker 1>I think you know where we're at a CACP at

550
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<v Speaker 1>this stage's career. It's it's the quintessential solid veteran guy

551
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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't really hurt you too much. His expectations in

552
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<v Speaker 1>Orlando were too lofty for his proverbial station. They just

553
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<v Speaker 1>didn't and he didn't have the same juice there because

554
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<v Speaker 1>he also didn't have a lot of play creation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

556
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<v Speaker 1>You come off, you know, playing with Joker, and then

557
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<v Speaker 1>you know, while bon Carol and Wagner are cool and all,

558
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<v Speaker 1>that's not the same level of play region even Jalen sungs.

559
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<v Speaker 2>Kind of that, well, don't move the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, he's just not there not talking about

561
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<v Speaker 1>the same situation, so he was just slightly miscast. While

562
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<v Speaker 1>while nobody said the signing was bad, everybody thought there

563
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<v Speaker 1>was going to be more and I think he himself

564
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<v Speaker 1>expected to be maybe more productive in that situation. Now

565
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<v Speaker 1>you go into Memphis, well, sure he'll have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to start, but I don't know that he will especially

567
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<v Speaker 1>Jandle Wells is as good as we think he is.

568
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<v Speaker 1>Right and now they also brought the aforementioned in our

569
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<v Speaker 1>previous segment tied Roman too this situation. So KCP is

570
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<v Speaker 1>going to have to earn those minutes. But the one

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<v Speaker 1>thing he knows that he's going to be a good

572
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<v Speaker 1>pro and that's something I think you definitely want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you have alongside. You know, John Morant. You

574
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<v Speaker 1>know John Morant had that last year where Derek Rose

575
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<v Speaker 1>and Marcus Smart where nothing really kind of really seemed

576
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<v Speaker 1>to mention that. But you can continue to have that

577
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<v Speaker 1>great presence. But we're here to talk about the actual

578
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<v Speaker 1>basketball and I'm maybe not as convinced as I'm not

579
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<v Speaker 1>saying that you are, but I'm not sure he has

580
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<v Speaker 1>as much juice left to be as impactful. While I

581
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<v Speaker 1>think John can get him some good shots as well too,

582
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<v Speaker 1>even Jared Jackson to a lesser degree, although we know

583
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<v Speaker 1>Jared Jackson isn't really playing the cost all that much. KCP,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is going to be productive, but not and

585
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<v Speaker 1>I think in a really difference making way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think where my concern comes into play is

587
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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to be able to change what KCP

588
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<v Speaker 2>has evolved into in being the quality player that he

589
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<v Speaker 2>has been. Right, he is someone that operates better when

590
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the ball comes to him rather than him actually establishing

591
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<v Speaker 2>anything from a guard level perspective. And that's probably the

592
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<v Speaker 2>reason and that's definitely a reason why you got Ti Jerome, right, Like,

593
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<v Speaker 2>you have that kind of dynamic person who can get

594
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<v Speaker 2>the ball, he can you know, create on his own.

595
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, when John Moran is off the floor,

596
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<v Speaker 2>he tied Jerome and in many respects, I think can

597
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<v Speaker 2>figure out a way to get the ball to other

598
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<v Speaker 2>playmakers as well too. I think to your point, where

599
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<v Speaker 2>I'm at when it comes to what KCP can bring

600
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<v Speaker 2>to the table is is there has to be accountability

601
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<v Speaker 2>for when the Memphis Grizzlies are not sound defensively, right,

602
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<v Speaker 2>And I go back to what I was saying a

603
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<v Speaker 2>little bit earlier that what was so out of character

604
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<v Speaker 2>last year when it came to KCP is he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even solid defensively as much as I think he could

606
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<v Speaker 2>have been. Now, I don't know if it's because because

607
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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that the way that Jamal Mosley had

608
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<v Speaker 2>the team set up in how they play defense maybe

609
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 2>made him look slower or made him look like he

610
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<v Speaker 2>just wasn't, you know, meshing or fitting in.

611
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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not.

612
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<v Speaker 2>Saying that he is. He's still a quality defender, and

613
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<v Speaker 2>I think that it's imperative that what he can bring

614
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<v Speaker 2>to the table for the Memphis Grizzlies as far as

615
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<v Speaker 2>defending goes, is gonna is gonna be catamount because you're

616
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<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna thrust Jalen Wells

617
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<v Speaker 2>into that situation. You're telling you're telling me that you

618
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<v Speaker 2>believe that he's gonna be able to hold his own

619
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<v Speaker 2>against the best two guards or guards in the Western Conference,

620
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<v Speaker 2>which is still very guard heavy, And I don't know

621
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<v Speaker 2>if I buy that completely, which is why having a

622
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<v Speaker 2>table was Calbo Pope allows a little bit more flexibility,

623
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<v Speaker 2>especially when you recognize that Wells may get into foul

624
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<v Speaker 2>trouble or Morant get into foul trouble, and you need

625
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<v Speaker 2>a heady, savvy defender like KCP.

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<v Speaker 1>That part of it I.

627
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<v Speaker 2>Want to make sure is still intact. Or Wilson, what

628
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<v Speaker 2>was the point of you bringing him onto this roster

629
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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't that he was capable of still holding

630
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<v Speaker 2>his own against some of the better guards that are

631
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<v Speaker 2>still in the Western Conference, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and I think you know, it's interesting when

633
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>we bring it up that way, because I think, you know,

634
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<v Speaker 1>even looking most projective lineups have him as I was

635
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<v Speaker 1>starting two, and Jailing Wells as a starting three, right,

636
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<v Speaker 1>So maybe it's it's kind of an honest you Jaron

637
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<v Speaker 1>Jackson at the four and Zach Ede at the five, right,

638
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<v Speaker 1>so it should be cacp's starting job to lose. But

639
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<v Speaker 1>I think where I'm going to shift the conversations some

640
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<v Speaker 1>is are we thinking about what he needs to be

641
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<v Speaker 1>able to do offensively in that Memphis system? Or is

642
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.799
<v Speaker 1>it more from can he be a defensive leader? Right?

643
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's not always the blocks and the steels or whatever,

644
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's just the stops, you know, or filtering guys

645
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<v Speaker 1>into help with Jaron Jackson. And now you know, Zach

646
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<v Speaker 1>Need is a gargantuan you know at the rim, so

647
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 1>is he going to be able to help them from

648
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>that lens and then mature the Memphis defense in a

649
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.519
<v Speaker 1>way that we've always kind of expected them to be,

650
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.799
<v Speaker 1>like this really great, great defensive team. And they showed

651
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>some signs even the last couple of years, but they

652
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<v Speaker 1>fell a little bit, they said a little bit last

653
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<v Speaker 1>year when the change their entirety of their offense and

654
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>hire all those new coaches, and we want to see

655
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:05.559
<v Speaker 1>if they can get that defensive identity back. That's why

656
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<v Speaker 1>I think ACP probably still can be impactful. But if

657
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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for him to be, you know, a forty

658
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<v Speaker 1>percent three point shooter or whatever the case to be

659
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 1>and giving you fifteen to sixteen in a game, I

660
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<v Speaker 1>don't know that that KCP is still there for Memphis,

661
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean he can't be helpful, especially defensively.

662
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I mean, so we're buying our selling.

663
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<v Speaker 1>I'm well, you're buying I'm I'm a little bit more dubious.

664
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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna situation i'd be interested.

665
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<v Speaker 2>How are you taking my credit card?

666
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>And listen, you you know what, it's years of podcasting

667
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<v Speaker 1>with you, and I understand, like you're a KCP guy,

668
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think

669
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<v Speaker 1>there's very reason. There's a lot of reasons to be

670
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>KCP Guy's had a fabulous overall career and he's you know,

671
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<v Speaker 1>he's helped in almost.

672
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Then he has a good acronym.

673
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<v Speaker 1>I like KCP. Well you know that that works for it.

674
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<v Speaker 1>Who do you have? Uh, I'm going to I'm going

675
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:08.039
<v Speaker 1>to jump to somebody who is, for continuity's sake, let

676
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>me go with a current nugget. As you're talking about

677
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 1>a former nugget, and this is not somebody a lot

678
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 1>of people are going to give two wiggis about, you know,

679
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 1>shout out to health the Skelter. But Yona's Valente this.

680
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<v Speaker 1>While I know he was slirting with the opportunity, you know,

681
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 1>to kind of go overseas after he got traded from Sacramento,

682
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.039
<v Speaker 1>I think he has I know he has a great

683
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to play winning basketball and really be on a

684
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>big stage with the Denver Nuggets playing behind playing behind Jokich.

685
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much, how many minutes they'll actually

686
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 1>get together that that remains to potentially be seen if

687
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 1>there'll be some kind of like wonky lineups where then

688
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, you play those two bigs. But Valentiunis is

689
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody who plays at least, you know, seventy seventy two

690
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>games each year, generally very healthy and very productive, especially

691
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>up from the rebounding side. I'm not going to call

692
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of plays for him, but he can post up,

693
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you can hit like you know that kind of like

694
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>little turnaround or wherever the case would be. He's got

695
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 1>a decent mid range shot. Not a great defender when

696
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>it comes to blocking shots, but everybody's a very very

697
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 1>big body, and I think as much help as you

698
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>can give, you know, NICOLEA Jokic at this stage here

699
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>where you don't want to continue to just wear him

700
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>down forty forty five minutes a night, especially in the

701
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 1>regular season, Valentinos can soak up a lot of those

702
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>minutes and be very, very very impactful for them, especially

703
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to getting some post production in a

704
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>way that they haven't had when Joker goes on the bench.

705
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>So I'm looking for volunteers to play winning basketball this season.

706
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, one of the things that I really appreciate

707
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>about the Nuggets doing this is they knew getting Yonis

708
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Valentiunas was not to get them a Jokic like, right Like,

709
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>if they really wanted to get a Jokic like they

710
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>get they did try to get you know, use of

711
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.839
<v Speaker 2>nurkids that ain't gonna work. Right There weren't many people

712
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 2>out there that you're going to be able to get

713
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>to do and replicate what Nicola Jokic brings to the

714
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 2>table as far as the game of basketball. But you

715
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>can get players who if they play next to a

716
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>guy like Jokic, or they play for a guy like Jokic,

717
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.719
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get the maximum of what their abilities that's

718
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>allowed them to do. And with Valentiunis, and what I

719
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>appreciate mostly than anything about him is he's grown to

720
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 2>be the bully on the block and he's embraced that,

721
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>he's accepted that. And sometimes that's exactly what the Denver

722
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Nuggets needed. Man. Sometimes they needed another level of toughness.

723
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>They needed another level of of you know, bravado in

724
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 2>them that is not filtered through what your Jokic gives

725
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.599
<v Speaker 2>you just because of his statistics and you know how

726
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>he loves to move the basketball. Valentinas can move the basketball.

727
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 2>He just isn't going to shoot the ball like Jokic, right,

728
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 2>But Valentiunis can get the ball to guys. He can

729
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 2>definitely set those picks that you always expected from Jokic.

730
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>If nothing else, he actually gives another dimension to what

731
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>we've been starving from Jamal Murray and how he is

732
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>as a guard supposed to help accentuate the offenses in

733
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 2>different ways. And part of that is because there's too

734
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.639
<v Speaker 2>much dependency on what Jokic has been doing and the

735
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>ball going through Jokic so much so I think having

736
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>a guy like Valentiunis, while again to your point, is

737
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 2>going to eat up a lot of Yokic minutes. What

738
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<v Speaker 2>I also I am appreciating about is this is now

739
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>going to put that challenge back on the Nuggets to say,

740
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>we have these different dynamic players. They all don't have

741
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>to be like Jokic. Let's start maximizing what these guys

742
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>can actually bring to the table. So it can really

743
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>help diversify what the Denver Nuggets have been lacking over

744
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years. It's basically made them a

745
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>one trick pony because they know that the moment Jokic

746
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 2>comes off the floor, the Nuggets have no imagination in offense,

747
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 2>they have no imagination in shot selection, they have no imagine.

748
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 2>It's like they're completely lost. But a guy like Valentnis

749
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 2>who spent years playing for so many different teams and

750
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 2>it's made his way into getting people to understand, I

751
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>can give you what you need. You just need to

752
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>tell me. He to me can be a very solid

753
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 2>player to your point, Shaw in helping to diversify the

754
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Denver Nuggets being the perennial powerhouse team again as always

755
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>yeah and again.

756
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 1>In an age where we want everybody to shoot and

757
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 1>big men to shoot or whatever. He's he's not doing

758
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.039
<v Speaker 1>it right. Balance youing, this is a two point bucket getter,

759
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what it's going to be. Like eighty nine

760
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 1>or ninety one percent of his shots are within sixteen

761
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>feet in below. Like he is not out there out

762
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 1>here just jacking up. And I don't know if the

763
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Nuggets will ask him to, you know, try to stretch

764
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 1>and do the corner three or something like that. But

765
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>this's has not been his game. But as somebody who's

766
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be able to definitely get you some baskets, yeah,

767
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>in the post and you'll catch again. I think they

768
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>will be sometimes where they can play together. But I

769
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 1>think more importantly it's just so that you'll Kitch's minutes

770
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>can come down some you know, in the regular season,

771
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>and while Joker's never really shrunk her for efficiency so

772
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>to speak, we might even see some more efficiency as

773
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 1>a result of not having to play, you know, those

774
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 1>exhaustive minutes that we've seen, you know, in years past.

775
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 1>As the Knuggers have really rutooled their roster. Obviously they

776
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>got Bruce Brown back as well too. But I think

777
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>valentiunis in this light, I think he's gonna be happy

778
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.280
<v Speaker 1>that he didn't get he didn't go to Europe, right

779
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and having a chance to really compete at the highest

780
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 1>level for I think really one of the first times

781
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 1>is in his NBA career, right like he's he was

782
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.039
<v Speaker 1>in Memphis, he was in Toronto, he was in New Orleans,

783
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 1>and none of those situations I think were really they

784
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 1>were really contenders, and others are legitimate contenders. And I

785
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 1>think we may see valentunas as some of his best

786
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>ball coming in a backup role.

787
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely your tune to the baseline Cali Warrenshaw discussing the

788
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>hot button topics of the NBA. Coming up, we're doing

789
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<v Speaker 2>part three of our Buyers Sell Hooper's Redemption.

790
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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to.

791
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Miss it, man, We got we got two more interesting

792
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>names to throw out there, and so you want to

793
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 2>figure out whether or not we're buying a selling on them.

794
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Got you gotta hang with us, man, you're catching us here.

795
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Callie warren Show, don't go anywhere. We're back Calie Warrenshaw

796
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 2>based on NBA podcast and we're doing our Buyer Sell

797
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Hoops Redemption edition.

798
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<v Speaker 1>So we went.

799
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<v Speaker 2>Through four right, got another two to do, Shaw, So

800
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 2>who do you have on your on your on your list?

801
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.679
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm gonna if this is maybe not going

802
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:33.679
<v Speaker 1>in the in the method of the exercise, because this

803
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.519
<v Speaker 1>is not somebody who I think is poised to have

804
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 1>a great season. But I'm hoping I'm wrong because I

805
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like him as an individual. But there's a lot of

806
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>controversy about the move. And that's actually Miles Turner going

807
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to the Milwaukee Bucks. A lot was talked about Dame

808
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Lillard being stretched and waved as a result of acquiring

809
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Miles Turner, but not a lot of conversation was talked

810
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<v Speaker 1>about Miles turner actual fit with with Milwaukee in that

811
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Giannis is clearly a better basketball player and a Hall

812
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>of Fame player that Tyre's Haliburn is not at the

813
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>stage up I think at this currently, I think Miles

814
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.159
<v Speaker 1>is going to find life very very different on this

815
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee team than he did the last couple of years

816
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>playing a light song haliburtn. Giannis is a different type

817
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>of creator than than Haliburn is, and like he gets

818
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 1>his baskets, you know, very very differently, he creates his

819
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>assists very very differently. Turner is going to have to

820
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 1>be an effective and I mean an effective knockdown jump

821
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>shooter you know in this Bucks offense that I don't

822
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 1>know that he's quite capable of. While we've seen stretches

823
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 1>where he's been hot and we know the defense will

824
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 1>be there, I'm just not sure about the fit offensively

825
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 1>with this Bucks team. And it will start to come

826
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>up when you talk about, well, we're basically essentially paying

827
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, like fifty two million dollars to have

828
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 1>for the right to Miles Turner, because we're not paying name,

829
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 1>but we're still paying, you know, the waiting part of

830
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that salary, and that in the contract that Turn essentially signed,

831
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 1>that's going to make Turn like this forty eight million

832
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:07.039
<v Speaker 1>dollar player that quite frankly, I don't know if if

833
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>fiscally he can live up to that. However, he is

834
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<v Speaker 1>going to do everything in his power. I know Doc

835
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 1>will do everything in his power as well too to

836
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.239
<v Speaker 1>put him in positions to be successful. But you have

837
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>to also wonder about the play creation. The table setting

838
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>of a Kevin Porter junior is kind of like the

839
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>lead point guard there Cole Anthony as a backup guy there.

840
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:27.800
<v Speaker 1>We know Yannas is full to kind of the fact

841
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.280
<v Speaker 1>of point guard. But that really puts Miles Turner in

842
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 1>a in a kind of a compromising situation where his

843
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 1>jump shot needs to be almost knocked down for this

844
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>contract air quote contract or the money that's going be

845
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 1>pailed out for the rights to him to actually be

846
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 1>worth it. So I'm a little little worried for Miles

847
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 1>in that regard, but he's again he's an amazing individual.

848
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>It's just got a lot on his plate this upcoming season. Listen,

849
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 2>this is a very unusual circumstance and I think the

850
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>added pressure of him signing with arguably arrival right to me,

851
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 2>think kind of speaks you know, more to what is

852
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:11.480
<v Speaker 2>taking place. Right Obviously in his mind he doesn't see

853
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 2>things in that light, right, Like he's in that that

854
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe that part of that generation where that won't have

855
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 2>any kind of impact whatsoever about what it is that

856
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 2>he wants to contribute. He could have already had maybe

857
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>one foot out the door, recognizing you know, hey, I

858
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 2>only have so many years left for me to give

859
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 2>the best of what I can give. And at the

860
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.280
<v Speaker 2>same time, I only have so many opportunities or teams

861
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 2>on the table that still have an outside or inside

862
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.800
<v Speaker 2>chance to make a run for a chip.

863
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Right.

864
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 2>So it's to your point, it's it's all kind of interesting,

865
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 2>you know when we talk about a guy like Miles Turner,

866
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:52.119
<v Speaker 2>no question, and you know we've had our conversations. We've

867
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>even had Miles Turner on our show quite some time ago, right, Like,

868
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:02.039
<v Speaker 2>he to me kind of gives me the flashes of

869
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.519
<v Speaker 2>what I would you know, would still would love to

870
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 2>have seen for most of our bigs now in the

871
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>current you know, NBA, and he's had to evolve in

872
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>a way that's allowed him to be sustainable in the

873
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>style of his play, especially playing for the Indiana Pacers.

874
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So now he's going to have to pivot and do

875
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>that for the Milwaukee Bucks and do that. Nixon arguably

876
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the greatest power you know, one of the

877
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 2>great power forwards that's going to ever play this game

878
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:31.280
<v Speaker 2>of basketball. So you know, in a way he was

879
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:34.719
<v Speaker 2>a part that that person would have been his his rival.

880
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the person where if he was as generational as

881
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>a Yiannis was, we would be talking about these matchups

882
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>between him and the Milwaukee Bucks when he was playing

883
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.920
<v Speaker 2>as a pacer. But it never evolved in that kind

884
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 2>of way. It never happened that kind of way. I'm

885
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 2>wondering how that influence is going to have for Miles

886
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Turner in this iteration.

887
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 1>Because.

888
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.800
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was hoping for, right, I was hoping

889
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 2>that he would have been that person that's elevated saying,

890
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, among the bigs, we are we are the behemoths, right,

891
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>we are the what do they call it is Godzilla

892
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 2>versus King Kong, right, king of the monsters. They arguably

893
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.079
<v Speaker 2>could have been the King of the Monsters in the

894
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Conference and now what he has, what he's bringing

895
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>to the table is to help supplement elevating the Milwaukee

896
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Bucks back to that level of conversation where we're buying

897
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 2>into them being legit contenders, right, and it not just

898
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 2>being legit contenders solely on what Yannis does, but it's

899
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>clearly going to have to be on what moles Turner

900
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.039
<v Speaker 2>contributes for the Milwaukee Bucks. And that's just a different

901
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 2>conversation and a different dynamic altogether.

902
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and it's funny because you look at

903
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.760
<v Speaker 1>them on paper, and Miles and Brook are very similar

904
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like there are points per game, even

905
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 1>in some ways the way they play. Both really good

906
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>rim defenders, you know, always in the leaders if you

907
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.800
<v Speaker 1>in terms of blocks, they both shoot about five to

908
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 1>six threes a game, shoot about thirty five well somewhere

909
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.119
<v Speaker 1>between thirty five and forty percent. But their offensive systems

910
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 1>have been very, very different. So while the statistical production

911
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>is very very close in Trump's of comparison, and that's

912
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 1>where I think Milwaukee maybe got a little intoxicated. It's like, oh,

913
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>we got our Brook Lopez replacement, you know, younger version,

914
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera.

915
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I think they I think they're I think they're trying

916
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.159
<v Speaker 2>to I think they're trying to re you know, do

917
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 2>this again. I think they're you know, when brook Lopez

918
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.039
<v Speaker 2>came to the Milwaukee Bucks and played next to Jannis,

919
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.679
<v Speaker 2>that was a resurgence of brook Lopez and his career

920
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.440
<v Speaker 2>and the numbers that he put up defensively. You know,

921
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>first it started more offensively, but when they won the championship,

922
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 2>it was the combination of the numbers that he provided

923
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.559
<v Speaker 2>both offensively and defensively, and that just continued a couple

924
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>of years more until he now is you know, in greed,

925
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, going to to the Los Angeles Clippers. I

926
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>almost feel like the Milwaukee Bucks are just like, let's

927
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>rerun this project one more time, you know, you know,

928
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.519
<v Speaker 2>this is how we created brook Lopez. And maybe that

929
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>is something about Giannis that you know, we saw this

930
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.280
<v Speaker 2>with Bobby Portos as well too, which is why he

931
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 2>legitimately became a great backup as well. There's something about

932
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>playing next to Gianni's maybe in some regards that might

933
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 2>actually accentuate what's been, you know, hidden under the crevices

934
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 2>of Miles Turner's greatness. Maybe that's what will happen over

935
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 2>the next couple of years, and you know, maybe we're

936
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.119
<v Speaker 2>having this conversation about the Milwaukee Bucks being legitimate contenders

937
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.039
<v Speaker 2>again because of what he's now going to be able

938
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 2>to do next to Jannis than what he was doing

939
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 2>all by himself.

940
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we will will absolutely see. I mean, Bobby

941
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Porters is there as well too. Obviously, there's like it's

942
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 1>a different cast of characters there and different coaching and

943
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.559
<v Speaker 1>different offensive set. So how Miles will integrate into this,

944
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>we just don't know. Again, I thought it was worth

945
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 1>bringing up because when you look at the numbers, very comparable,

946
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, Turner's younger, et cetera, et cetera. I just

947
00:45:57.880 --> 00:45:59.519
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's going to be the same thing

948
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that every that that the Bucks are hoping for. And

949
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.079
<v Speaker 1>I know Miles was anxious to get the bag and

950
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you know Kuters are forgetting it. But will the production

951
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.159
<v Speaker 1>be there in the way that the Bucks needed to

952
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>be where he can have a season worth leaving the Indiana.

953
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Pacers for absolutely You're tuned to the baseline Cali Warrenshaw

954
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.920
<v Speaker 2>discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. Do Shaw,

955
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I want to blame you because I had

956
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.760
<v Speaker 2>my third all lined up ready to go, and then

957
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 2>you hit me with the MPG card. And now and listen,

958
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 2>any strays I gave you? I gave an extensive list.

959
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>I gave an extensive list of a ton of people,

960
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and then we have this conversation off the air and

961
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 2>then you hit me with that. Well, you know, it

962
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:54.119
<v Speaker 2>is an interesting topic to have, So any strays, any

963
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:55.599
<v Speaker 2>any collateral damage.

964
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.440
<v Speaker 1>You got to own this one, bro, you got it.

965
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you, Hey, Antherony Simons is lucky. I'm just anyway,

966
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.400
<v Speaker 2>So my final by ourself is going to be you know,

967
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Michael Porter Jr. Now listen, everybody who's heard me seems

968
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 2>to think I got a grudge with this kid.

969
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I really don't.

970
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I Actually, when we first started talking about Michael Porter Junior,

971
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I've said, I, you know, totally like this guy. He's

972
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 2>he's his untapped potential. He is a diamond in the rough.

973
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.760
<v Speaker 2>The Denver Nuggets may have struck gold with this kid,

974
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:30.639
<v Speaker 2>and listen, bye bye. If you really look at it holistically,

975
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 2>he is definitely part of that team that won the championship.

976
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.000
<v Speaker 2>He was directly responsible for elevating the ability for the

977
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Denver Nuggets to shoot the basketball, you know, reasonably well, right,

978
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 2>But where I think things fell short And I don't

979
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.440
<v Speaker 2>know if it's just the style, the system, the coach,

980
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. You could clearly tell over the last

981
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>couple of years that Michael Porter Junior needed a different

982
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 2>change of play like pace, he needed different scenery, he

983
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.800
<v Speaker 2>needed to be in a different circumstances situation. Wait right now,

984
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 2>you look at his numbers, statistically legitimate numbers. Man average

985
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 2>thirty three minutes per game, almost nineteen eighteen, nineteen points

986
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 2>per game, seven rebounds to assist, shot fifty percent from

987
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the floor, thirty nine point five percent for three, which

988
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>is only point five percent for what he basically, you know.

989
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Gives you.

990
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:26.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm sorry, he's the zero point four percent

991
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>from what he gives you in his career from shooting

992
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the three. So what do we make of him now

993
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 2>going to the Brooklyn Nets. Well, if if Michael Porter

994
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Junior thought that him going to the Denver Nuggets was

995
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.360
<v Speaker 2>as a key piece to elevating the Nuggets, winning them

996
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a championship and things of that nature, and then you

997
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>see the emergence of a guy like Yoki choose to

998
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 2>become a three time MVP. If Michael Porter Junior really

999
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 2>believes in his skills, at what better way for you

1000
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.960
<v Speaker 2>to come out and you know, quiet the naysayers shut

1001
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 2>people down then by going out there to Brooklyn and

1002
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 2>ultimately balling balling out and giving Jody Fernandez in company

1003
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.239
<v Speaker 2>a reason for them to be like, I like where

1004
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 2>we're going with this. I like the direction of what

1005
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.199
<v Speaker 2>we can potentially get from a guy like Michael Porter

1006
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Junior with the roster that we have, he can clearly

1007
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 2>be a standout kind of guy. So that being said,

1008
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 2>does he have the passion to want to do that?

1009
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Does he have the desire to want to do that?

1010
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm gonna tell you this right now, Shaw, you

1011
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.280
<v Speaker 2>don't get too many circumstances like what he's got right now.

1012
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Where the the bank is open.

1013
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>The bank is literally open, the nets are playing with

1014
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 2>house money, right So there's really no reason why he

1015
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 2>can't go ball out. His numbers can still have an impact.

1016
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 2>They're not zero calories. He can have an impact if

1017
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:55.920
<v Speaker 2>he really really wants to.

1018
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:00.119
<v Speaker 1>Well. As we record, he is the loan adult the

1019
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.679
<v Speaker 1>room when it comes to offensive production there's literally nobody

1020
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.679
<v Speaker 1>on this roster right now, and I would trust this

1021
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 1>for the basketball on a regular basis. There's rumors Cam

1022
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Thomas might eventually come back because he's not finding what

1023
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.360
<v Speaker 1>he likes on the open market. So if Cam comes back,

1024
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.320
<v Speaker 1>then great, Well you have two guys who in essence

1025
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 1>are kind of could be potential chuckers. That said, Michael Porter,

1026
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 1>his counting stats are good, right, forty three point shooter

1027
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 1>for his career, you know, seven plus rebounds a game,

1028
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:31.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, for his career. Like, this is a guy

1029
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 1>who can play basketball, but he's had the lap of

1030
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 1>luxury playing alongside you know, Nikola jokicch for a very

1031
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>long time. Now, what happens when you are the guy

1032
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 1>that defense is key in on every single night, there's

1033
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.159
<v Speaker 1>nobody that there's nowhere for you to hide, so to speak.

1034
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Defense is recorded, like, yo, well this is this is

1035
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>only guy I got, so let's stop him. They're not

1036
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.239
<v Speaker 1>worried about Terrence Man, you know, going off, or Noah

1037
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Colney or like, it's just like, this is not disrespect

1038
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.920
<v Speaker 1>to the Brooklyn roster. The roster is very intent on

1039
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to tank and get better draft picks. So now

1040
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Michael Porter Junior becomes the lead guy, and yeah, he

1041
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.639
<v Speaker 1>could have a season where he gets twenty five a

1042
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:11.159
<v Speaker 1>game or whether the case would be, But what will

1043
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 1>the efficiency look like? Well, he's still be able to

1044
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 1>shoot fifty percent from the floor and forty percent from

1045
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 1>three as he's just gonna get touch upon touch on touch.

1046
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, is he somebody who'll be

1047
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:22.880
<v Speaker 1>able to raise the ceiling of some of the other

1048
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 1>guys around him? That will be something I will really

1049
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>be watch. I want to see it. I mean, it

1050
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.639
<v Speaker 1>can happen when you're like kind of like the lead guy. Right,

1051
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 1>there's a difference, like there's a there's there you can

1052
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 1>see the folk on the road and an offensive set

1053
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.239
<v Speaker 1>almost like every play is like, all right, is this

1054
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the best shot? Or is this the best shot? Because

1055
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.840
<v Speaker 1>it gets me? Right? Do I? Or do I kick

1056
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it to whitehead or whatever the be on the floor.

1057
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>You don't know if he has that kind of decision making. Yeah,

1058
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 1>do you know when that will happen? Shaw?

1059
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.599
<v Speaker 2>When the Brooklyn Nets are playing on primetime games? Like

1060
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying like that to me is

1061
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 2>when I think those questions would be answered for me

1062
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that level of elevation, right, because the Brooklyn Thats have

1063
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.320
<v Speaker 2>been starving for that. They try to get that out

1064
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 2>of Michale Bridges, they try to get that out of

1065
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Cam Johnson, right. And so these are good solid players,

1066
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.800
<v Speaker 2>but these are good solid players within the cast, and

1067
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 2>what they bring to the team collectively can help stand out.

1068
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I think Michael Porter Junior has always been the kind

1069
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 2>of guy where he wants to stand out. He wants

1070
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 2>to stand out on the bright lights. He definitely was

1071
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 2>not going to do that in the shadows of Jamal

1072
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Murray and Nikola Jokic and his style of basketball while

1073
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>within the flow.

1074
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like what Papovich did.

1075
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>With Kawhi Leonard, you know what I'm saying, Like Malone

1076
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 2>did to Porter, what Papovich kind of did to.

1077
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 1>To Kawhi Leonard.

1078
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>And when Kawhi Leonard had his moment, his opportunity, he

1079
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>snatched that decision out of the Spurs and Papovich's you

1080
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.960
<v Speaker 2>know pocket, so to speak. This you don't have to

1081
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 2>worry about that for Michael Porter Junior because Jody Fernandez

1082
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.400
<v Speaker 2>can only depend on what Michael Porter Junior ultimately keeping it.

1083
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Even if Camp Thomas comes back, that doesn't matter. What

1084
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>matters to me is what version of Michael Porter Junior

1085
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.559
<v Speaker 2>during those primetime games you play the Boston Celtics, when

1086
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.159
<v Speaker 2>you play against the New York Knicks, when you play

1087
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.519
<v Speaker 2>against or when you're playing in the in the Emirates

1088
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Cup tournament, right when you're given an opportunity for you

1089
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 2>to put on a performance, to put on a show,

1090
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 2>will you be able to do that? Because if you ever,

1091
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:27.000
<v Speaker 2>if you've ever asked me Shaw, the thing that has

1092
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 2>always bothered me about the upside and the potential of

1093
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Michael Porter Junior is that style that he plays where

1094
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.960
<v Speaker 2>he could just chuck the you know, the living daylights

1095
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 2>out of it was a detriment to the Denver Nuggets

1096
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.559
<v Speaker 2>when that wasn't what was needed. But in this situation,

1097
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.239
<v Speaker 2>if he's gonna do all that chucking and he's making shots,

1098
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.639
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna put him on a different platform because he's

1099
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 2>in a market that's gonna love that. It's gonna embrace that,

1100
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Because nobody's gonna tell him differently.

1101
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.079
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing that's gonna counter that aspect of it. So

1102
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting to see if he's gonna be that

1103
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of person on the lights and it succeed, because

1104
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 2>if not, he's just going to be another player. Using

1105
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the Brooklyn nets as is a gateway for us to

1106
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 2>recognize he's a good shooter, he's a quality player, but

1107
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:12.760
<v Speaker 2>he needs to be in a system where those type

1108
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 2>of things mask and don't necessarily stand out to be

1109
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 2>a detriment to me.

1110
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's going to be a really unique year for

1111
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 1>him and the opportunities that are presented to that. I

1112
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know if Brooklyn is looking to keep him around

1113
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.159
<v Speaker 1>or if they would look to try to deal m

1114
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 1>He does obviously have a hefty, hefty salary attached to him,

1115
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, again, they have no other

1116
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 1>guy who can score like legitimately that you're even consistently

1117
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>concerned about. So unless they bring Thomas back, you know,

1118
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.880
<v Speaker 1>this is Michael Porter's show to kind of run and

1119
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>let's see what he's able to do with it. You know,

1120
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.039
<v Speaker 1>in this whatever it is, season, half a season, or whatever,

1121
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.679
<v Speaker 1>it's all Tomate ends up being the one thing that

1122
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:54.639
<v Speaker 1>he has going for him.

1123
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Shaw he played seventy seven games last year, so he

1124
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 2>was healthy for the year, which I think is a

1125
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.760
<v Speaker 2>good thing. I'm hoping that even for that, that the

1126
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Brooklyn Nets don't overuse him, right, like they solely dependent

1127
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>on him. Thirty three minutes, I think is decent. I

1128
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.760
<v Speaker 2>think that if he's playing and he is your number

1129
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 2>one guy, thirty three minutes is really kind of pushing

1130
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 2>it for a guy like Porter. So it'll be interesting

1131
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:24.840
<v Speaker 2>to see that that style, that version, that usage of Porter,

1132
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 2>he can sustain that this year, then what was actually

1133
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>given to him, what he did for the Denver Nuggets

1134
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:30.840
<v Speaker 2>last year.

1135
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think his mens will well up too much.

1136
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Maybe a minute or two. While he played like thirty

1137
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.920
<v Speaker 1>three thirty four last year, maybe he's at thirty four

1138
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:38.679
<v Speaker 1>to thirty five. I think he much alluded to like

1139
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a usage. He took thirteen point six shots. He's

1140
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.599
<v Speaker 1>been averaging between eleven and thirteen and a half shots

1141
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:46.760
<v Speaker 1>for the last four years, like kind of like after

1142
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.320
<v Speaker 1>that second year and he was just like, oh he'll

1143
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.239
<v Speaker 1>catches that. Dude, he's kind of fallen back. But you

1144
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.679
<v Speaker 1>could always probably like feel it kind of bubbling under

1145
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.039
<v Speaker 1>the surface, like this guy wasn't here, you know what

1146
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean. But he knew he could not that. So

1147
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 1>I give him a lot of credit for playing the

1148
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:04.960
<v Speaker 1>role that he needed to play in Denver, you know,

1149
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 1>after especially after he got the contract. I think that

1150
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.360
<v Speaker 1>was part of it. Probably too, they paid him when

1151
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.480
<v Speaker 1>they didn't really need to, kind of overpaid him when

1152
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.719
<v Speaker 1>they didn't need to. But he's played a significant role

1153
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.199
<v Speaker 1>and played a master ball in them, you know, winning

1154
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 1>an NBA championship a few seasons ago. But now it's

1155
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of make or break. So in that thirty three

1156
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.280
<v Speaker 1>thirty four minutes, do his shots go up to eighteen

1157
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to twenty? I would say probably yes. And you want

1158
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.199
<v Speaker 1>to you know, in that with those extra shot attempts

1159
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and that usages that will be coming.

1160
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Wait, show you heads and your bets on that one.

1161
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hit yeah, looking over under, definitely taking the over.

1162
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Somebody get this man the black card. My man wants

1163
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:47.039
<v Speaker 2>he wants to go broke on that one.

1164
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not at it though. I mean, if you're looking

1165
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>around and again I feel like I'm throwing shade. But

1166
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like the experience, in terms of being

1167
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.079
<v Speaker 1>like scores in the NBA, there's nobody else on that

1168
00:56:57.159 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 1>roster that has that like the most next most accomplished

1169
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 1>guy I guess is Terrence man Ah cool, you know,

1170
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:05.840
<v Speaker 1>like let's see.

1171
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, listen, there's no question he's gonna be

1172
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.880
<v Speaker 2>averaging somewhere around twenty four, you know points, twenty five

1173
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:12.599
<v Speaker 2>points per game.

1174
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Easy.

1175
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:19.639
<v Speaker 2>But again, it'll be interesting when the bright lights the

1176
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>big market you know games, when they take place. You know,

1177
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:28.440
<v Speaker 2>is that type, is that person that guy you know,

1178
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Michael Porter Jr. Gonna be ready to go, ready to

1179
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, show up and show out. And I think

1180
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that is what I'm gonna be most interested in seeing

1181
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 2>because listen, man, you play a few years on a

1182
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.159
<v Speaker 2>on a very it's it's kind of like what we're

1183
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.079
<v Speaker 2>talking about right now with them with Klay Thompson, right Like,

1184
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 2>there has to be a happy medium because even you

1185
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 2>as a player, when you're on a when you're a

1186
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>certain you know, you read certain milestone certain parts of

1187
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 2>your career, you also have to recognize even when a

1188
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.119
<v Speaker 2>team pays money, a ton of money to bring you on,

1189
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>it isn't always just necessarily for what it was that

1190
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you were doing, what you you know, made you so

1191
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.199
<v Speaker 2>successful to the previous team. It's also about what you

1192
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:12.599
<v Speaker 2>could potentially do for the rest of the team, and

1193
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 2>so to me, I just think it's interesting in what

1194
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 2>way will Michael Porter Junior, you know, kind of lend

1195
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.599
<v Speaker 2>himself to this Brooklyn Nets team and lend himself to

1196
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:26.599
<v Speaker 2>his career arguably right moving forward, because I think this

1197
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.400
<v Speaker 2>is what always has been the elephant in the room,

1198
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, of what needed to be addressed and answered.

1199
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Does he does he throt can he thrive on his own?

1200
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Or was it that he just never realized how grateful

1201
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.840
<v Speaker 2>he should have been playing next to you know, Jamal

1202
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Murray and Nikola Jokic and really elevating himself in a

1203
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.360
<v Speaker 2>way where what he was doing was for the better

1204
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 2>of the team and and and helping the team win

1205
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 2>more than what they were able.

1206
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, to to do.

1207
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Not to take away from what they have done, but

1208
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I just think that he's always been the X factor

1209
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 2>guy that never really lived up to what I think

1210
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:06.039
<v Speaker 2>he could have potentially have been, and now is the

1211
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.039
<v Speaker 2>opportunity for him to actually prove that part of it.

1212
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kudos to Michael Porter Jr. Let's see what Miles

1213
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Turner can also do as well. To two guys maybe

1214
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.159
<v Speaker 1>or maybe a little bit doubtful about how they'll perform

1215
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>in their new situations, but all the opportunity in the

1216
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 1>world for them to be successful. We're not ruining against

1217
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:21.880
<v Speaker 1>anybody on the baseline.

1218
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to see these guys succeed, man, Yeah, absolutely,

1219
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:27.920
<v Speaker 2>But I want to see these guys succeed absolutely, man,

1220
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.960
<v Speaker 2>like I you know, from the days that we remember

1221
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 2>when they first came, when they walked onto that podium,

1222
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 2>shook hands. You know, there are different people now in

1223
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.039
<v Speaker 2>different situations circumstances, and that to me is the part

1224
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 2>of the of the allure of what we're looking forward

1225
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:44.119
<v Speaker 2>to when it comes to this upcoming season.

1226
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 1>And and I and I'm all for it.

1227
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.639
<v Speaker 2>So you sir, all right, man, great show as always, Man,

1228
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. You know, I appreciate you, uh you know,

1229
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:58.519
<v Speaker 2>not putting me in the red uh with with my

1230
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 2>buy or sell. And you know, for anyone who knows

1231
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:05.199
<v Speaker 2>who the money man is between the both of us,

1232
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:06.639
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at that dude right there.

1233
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 1>That's why he is the Warrenshaw because I get out

1234
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of here anyway. We shout out to guys we didn't

1235
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:14.360
<v Speaker 1>get a chance to touch on. And you know Anthony

1236
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.760
<v Speaker 1>simons 'angel, Russell Duncan Robinson. Obviously Katie is going to

1237
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 1>be covered exhaustively, so we know that joring to Pool

1238
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.639
<v Speaker 1>City Bay, Dylan Brooks and Jalen Green use of dar

1239
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Speaker 1>kitsch as well to Brook Lopez, we alread talk about

1240
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Bradley Beale from the Clippers side. So some other guys too,

1241
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you know that should be intriguing watches for how they

1242
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.039
<v Speaker 1>land in some new places. But you know these are

1243
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:35.360
<v Speaker 1>our top six, our sinisor six so to speak, and

1244
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 1>we'd love to hear who some of Europis are here

1245
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:38.800
<v Speaker 1>from upcoming abusis.

1246
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely Once again, we'd like to thank you and us

1247
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:43.960
<v Speaker 2>for hopping off board with us this week for the baseline.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly warren Shaw, we appreciate you guys, thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know where to find this man.

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<v Speaker 2>We got another one locked up, ready loaded to go,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll catch up with you next time