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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, I'm Nicole and I'm Ben and you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Wicked and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 2>True crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Warning the following podcastle Maistre audience listener, this question, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that nice? Well? Hello there, how's everyone doing? Hey, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to Wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>And Grim, Wicked and Graham.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope everyone's been staying wicked out there, but not too wicked,

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<v Speaker 1>wicked enough that you stay at home, cozied up with sweatpants,

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<v Speaker 1>your your cat or dog, and your couch, drinking some coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>your tea and just listening to murder podcasts, watching murders jocumentaries. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're living wicked life inside. You're not. You're not going

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<v Speaker 1>out and performing said wicked deeds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're not like going full out wicked, just like

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<v Speaker 2>slightly wicked, wicked at heart. There you go, yeah, there

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<v Speaker 2>you go. Okay, I'm going to start this off with something,

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<v Speaker 2>Bud to hear it?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, neither of us have iPhones.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Android people, because like andreid better, we just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, we just are.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess well it was all because like you were

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<v Speaker 2>sewn on into not a mosquito.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is. Dang you slap my microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you weren't into iTunes, So okay, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we can, like if people can

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<v Speaker 2>do reviews. Is it called Spotify? Yes, Spotify. I was

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<v Speaker 2>good Jazam and all of those s is mixed up,

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<v Speaker 2>so Spotify. I don't know if you can do reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I was like on the Apple podcast review

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<v Speaker 2>just I had to google it because podcast, right, yeah, which, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was weird that I'm googling. But anyway, so we

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<v Speaker 2>have nine five stars whoop, which is freaking amazing. It

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<v Speaker 2>is that's incredible, Thank you, Holy frick. And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>a like a how would you say this, like an

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<v Speaker 2>actual like submitted review like review? Yeah, and it's from

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<v Speaker 2>Linda twenty three eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda twenty three eighty nine would you say about us?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you? Linda? She said, fascinating, awesome podcast, very good storytelling,

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<v Speaker 2>and your voices are very well suited for podcasts. Thank Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm gonna throw this down right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda is our badass of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there's gonna be another one, but yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 2>start with Linda's gonna story has another one too, but

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<v Speaker 2>Linda can be the first one of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're gonna have two badasses of the day, one

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<v Speaker 1>in the story and one out and Linda is the

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<v Speaker 1>out of story badass.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Linda for like taking the time to go

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<v Speaker 2>and review us. And we'd love for other people too,

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<v Speaker 2>and even the people that just went into the five stars,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's dope too. So thank you, guys. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you guys are helping us actually push out episode

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<v Speaker 1>after episode, like your kind words, your comments, your messages,

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<v Speaker 1>your reviews are what keeps us going. It fuels us.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you very much. Everything you guys have done

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<v Speaker 1>to support us is incredible. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay that is actually so true because this so this

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<v Speaker 2>is a me episode if anyone didn't matter already. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, okay, so Ben and I are

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<v Speaker 2>like busy, like we're kind of just busy right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was working tired, and I was like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to do this. And then I came across

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<v Speaker 2>Linda's review and I was like, fuck, yeah, I'm doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Linda. You just made my day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredible that little bit can do for us.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that motivated the shit out of me. Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we might have to take little breaks because our backs

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<v Speaker 2>are like eighty year old people right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's the long weekend officially still the long weekend

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<v Speaker 1>up here in Canada. It is Victoria Day, So happy

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria to day, Victoria Day all the Canadians out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so it's May Long weekend and we spent

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<v Speaker 1>the not majority of the day, all day literally working

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<v Speaker 1>in our backyard greenhouse, building, raking, shoveling, all that, like

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<v Speaker 1>a good ten hours of manual labor. We're fucked. We're

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<v Speaker 1>fucked right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I was actually a bit prior to that too,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've had like a lot of photo shoots this

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<v Speaker 2>weekend and I don't know why that would hurt my back,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, it hurt my back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so I've if you hear us like uncomfortably moaning,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because our backs are. Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm literally drinking coffee here at like nine thirty pm

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<v Speaker 1>just to kind of keep my energy levels up for.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, so well, and you have to stay up, blakes,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Nights that too, I would be like staying up to

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<v Speaker 1>like what three am. So the caffeine is going to

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<v Speaker 1>help me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to help you. I need to start drinking coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's delicious. It's not delicious, that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But all this aside, we're running on like five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of an intro here. That's like a long intro for us.

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<v Speaker 1>We have so much to say, So what have we

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<v Speaker 1>got to say about it?

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness, it's a why It's wild episode, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckle up, I think I say that every time.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's click, I'm buckled up, safety belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go. So this story takes place in Chachilla, California, Chowchilla.

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<v Speaker 2>I like saying that, Chile.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your first non Canadian episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, actually, yeah, we do need to just address that

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<v Speaker 2>really quickly. I ventured off from the Canadian crime For

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>To fuck with you in my next episode. Episode is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Jilla, California, it's a relatively small town under

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand and just to like give a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a reference, it's about two hours from San Jose.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time of the incident. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>much smaller though, like under five thousand people, so very small,

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<v Speaker 2>very close knit town and a community where everyone kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just like knew each other and looked out for

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<v Speaker 2>one another. Okay, okay, sounds kind of like your typical

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<v Speaker 2>small town.

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<v Speaker 1>No need to lock your doors at night, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna learn that you probably should lock your door.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually, yeah, one thing that people said they

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<v Speaker 2>never locked their doors and stuff, but this one is

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to well lock your doors people, but

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<v Speaker 2>this one doesn't go there.

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<v Speaker 1>Just just lock your doors.

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<v Speaker 2>It was July fifteenth, nineteen seventy six, when school bus

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<v Speaker 2>driver Ed Ray was driving himself and twenty six children

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<v Speaker 2>from Dairyland Elementary School. Like children were from Dairyland Elementary School,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was driving them back home from summer school

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<v Speaker 2>where they spent the day at the swimming pool.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice nice afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The children on the bus range from ages five

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<v Speaker 2>to fourteen. It's pretty young.

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<v Speaker 1>Little babies, little babies, little babies fourteen though you think

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<v Speaker 2>Adult, actually yeah, you definitely do. On their commute home,

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<v Speaker 2>after already making a few stops dropping kids off up

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<v Speaker 2>ahead was a white van that was blocking the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Did it say free candy?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a creeper van. I don't think it said

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<v Speaker 2>free candy, though it didn't need to. I guess it

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<v Speaker 2>still suck them up. So Ed, being the ridiculously nice

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<v Speaker 2>man that he was, he stopped and opened the bus

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<v Speaker 2>door to see if they needed any help. Which it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it sucks, but sometimes I feel like you should not

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<v Speaker 2>offer help to people.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you want to be a nice citizen, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Get sometimes you get like you get aft up offer.

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<v Speaker 1>Help from a distance with a baseball bat in hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh because at that moment, three masks masked men confronted

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<v Speaker 2>ed two jumping onto the bus.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 2>They had nylon stockings covering their faces, making their faces

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<v Speaker 2>look very distorted and their eyes almost hollow. Like. One

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<v Speaker 2>man carried a sawd off double barrel shotgun and held

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<v Speaker 2>at gunpoint while the other, well, another took over driving

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<v Speaker 2>the bus.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Key? But I actually needed to ask you this because

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<v Speaker 2>what does that mean when it's like a sawd off

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<v Speaker 2>double barrel shotgun, Like, what's the point of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it it can be concealed a lot easier and

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<v Speaker 1>it can be used at a closer range. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>illegal to be doing that because now you can conceal

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<v Speaker 1>a shotgun in like your jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, because it makes it way shorter.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it shorter, easier to conceal, and more dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>because now like when you're pointing it, you have this

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<v Speaker 1>longer barrel. That's like, if you're in close proximity to someone,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to be at the end of the barrel.

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<v Speaker 1>If the barrel shorter, you can be like face to

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<v Speaker 1>very dangerous weapon then, so it's very illegal to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it would like same kind of damage, same like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of noise and stuff. Oh yeah, okay. For at

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<v Speaker 2>one point I was like, does it make it quieter? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>It's strictly so that way you have a shotgun that

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<v Speaker 1>just all around more dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow that shit. Yeah, okay, So adds that gunpoint. Another

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<v Speaker 2>one is taking over driving the bus and the third

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<v Speaker 2>man is following behind a in The White Man. Gotcha,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a shit show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still hung up on the shotgun now you got

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<v Speaker 1>me going through that, I'm like thinking evil Dead, like

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, Bruce Campbell saw that off and everything, so

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<v Speaker 1>he could like shoot the dead heights easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, Well we're into this story, so get get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the evil Dead mindset back.

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<v Speaker 1>Onto the bus with the three assholes.

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<v Speaker 2>Got yeah, they're very much so assholes. All the children

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<v Speaker 2>obviously like scared to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'd be shitting myself right.

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<v Speaker 2>They're young, wondering where these mass men were taking them

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<v Speaker 2>and were they going to die? Yeah, Like, holy molly, could.

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<v Speaker 1>You imagine being in that situation?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and remember like some kids had already got dropped off?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh that's true, like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Like that's one of those moments where it's just like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>like you'd just be so unbelievably thankful that you had

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<v Speaker 2>gotten already dropped off.

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<v Speaker 1>Or imagine like your stop is next or the next

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months, and then like you're driving past your driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Ben, you just went there.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Well, could you imagine that story?

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<v Speaker 2>Is actually? Like going through the story, I kept almost

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<v Speaker 1>A brutal situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh it's dude, you don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have a feeling of like the brutality that's

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<v Speaker 1>they're in and the fear that they're having to confront. No,

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<v Speaker 2>The kidnappers eventually pulling off the road into a dry

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<v Speaker 2>the bamboo was like taller than the bus. So basically feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I actually thought that was really weird, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but if there is I want to go

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<v Speaker 2>see it. There they met a second parked van. Both

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<v Speaker 2>of these vans, I should note the back windows were

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<v Speaker 2>painted black and their interiors and the interiors were reinforced

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<v Speaker 2>with wood paneling. Like you could not see in or

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<v Speaker 1>Damn was the door in the van red? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I see a red door and that want it painted black?

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<v Speaker 1>Rolling stones?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, sorry, oh gosh, at gunpoint, love you too,

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<v Speaker 2>Ed and the twenty six children were forced from the

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<v Speaker 2>bus into the two vans, and to avoid any footprint evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>the vans were pulled right up to the bus door

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone had to jump from the school bus into

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<v Speaker 1>Oh jeez, which I thought was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Really weird because they left the van there or the

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<v Speaker 2>bus there, But I mean, like I mean not seeing footprints.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anyway, and they were off. The vans,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, were pitch black, had no water, no

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<v Speaker 2>food or bathrooms. They were pretty much described as like

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<v Speaker 2>a mobile prison. But I asked to actually feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's worse than like a prison cell. Yeah, no kidding,

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<v Speaker 2>because a prison cell like you get fed, you get water,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's stationary, not moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like could you imagine just darkness yea, having no

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<v Speaker 2>idea where the hell you were going, and you're and

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<v Speaker 1>I turned the lights off in the hallway on the

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<v Speaker 1>way to bed, and I like, pretend that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>they're picturing a demon chasing me on the hallway to

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<v Speaker 1>the bedroom at night. I'm like, Nope, it's not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't look. If you don't look at it, it

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<v Speaker 2>I know, like just terrifying, good, just terrifying. So now

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<v Speaker 2>at this point too, parents were starting to arrive home,

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<v Speaker 2>arriving home to empty houses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the kids not there.

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<v Speaker 2>Extremely worried, they started helping police retreat retrace the school

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<v Speaker 2>bus's route. Nothing was found until just before sunset, when

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<v Speaker 2>the dirt deserted. Holy, I'm stumbling here. Sorry, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>into the story and I'm just like I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You were like, what can you make that sound again?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I got Okay. So the bus was found right

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<v Speaker 2>before sunset by a police pilot. You could only see

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<v Speaker 2>it by air, gotcha, and all that was left behind

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<v Speaker 2>was tire tracks. No children don't like the parents must

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<v Speaker 2>be like worried, sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, kidding myself, Like I'd just be like, where

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck is my kid?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Like that is just like so sorry to

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<v Speaker 2>like people have children that like ride buses. Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna apologize right now because this is probably like

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<v Speaker 2>a bit traumatizing for you. So I am sorry to.

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<v Speaker 1>Those parents who kids are taking the bus and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not home from school yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Home, the traumatic they will arrive home. Meanwhile, this hell

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<v Speaker 2>was still continuing for Ed and the children. They were

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<v Speaker 2>in the two vans for hours upon hours, all trying

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<v Speaker 2>to comfort each other. There's a voice recording of a

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<v Speaker 2>little girl describing her experience. It says, a few of

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<v Speaker 2>my little friends that were five and six came over

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<v Speaker 2>and started laying laying on me and crying. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>to be brave, because everything's going to be all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, Like oh okay, that just like sick, like

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<v Speaker 2>you're just inside sync, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, I don't think everything was all right,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll get there. Let's see. Don't give us any

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<v Speaker 1>any hints. Just keep going, keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>The van finally started to slow down, pulling off onto

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<v Speaker 2>a much rougher road and finally stopping. The final destination

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<v Speaker 2>was a rock quarry in Livermore, California, which was close

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<v Speaker 2>to twelve hours. Holy oh wait, so these mofos drove

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<v Speaker 2>them twelve hours away? Like no bathroom, bricks, no food,

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<v Speaker 2>this this black pit that they're in. Damn Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>a long freaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Ways, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, being the early morning of July sixteenth, what came

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<v Speaker 2>next for these victims? Did not get much better. They

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<v Speaker 2>started with ed they'd opened the door of the van,

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed one person, and then close the door and repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>keep doing this. Meanwhile, the kids are all like scooting

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<v Speaker 2>to the back of the van trying to escape because

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<v Speaker 2>they had no idea what was coming next, Like no idea,

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<v Speaker 2>like just terror. Once pulled out of the van, they

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<v Speaker 2>would get asked their name and their their age by

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<v Speaker 2>the kidnappers, and very much showing that this crime was premeditated,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a wooden ladder to climb down into a

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<v Speaker 2>truck trailer that was buried six feet underground.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn. I'm like, I'm expecting these guys to, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, just like start popping these kids off with

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<v Speaker 1>a shotgun for some reason. But clearly this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like a traffic they're expecting that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a trafficking situation by the sounds of it.

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<v Speaker 2>In the buried truck trailer was a very small amount

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<v Speaker 2>of food, water and some mattresses, only about enough food

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<v Speaker 2>for a day. And remember they had already gone like

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of time without food or water. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>there were cut holes in the wheel wells for toilets

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<v Speaker 2>and you could hear fans for ventilation. I actually have.

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<v Speaker 2>There was quite a few photos of this. Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 2>at online, so I'll post some, okay, so that you

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<v Speaker 2>can see, but like, I don't know if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to see, because it's like pretty nasty. That just that

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<v Speaker 2>this amount of people were in this truck trailer a.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole new freaking situation, like a whole new perspective on

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<v Speaker 1>tiny home living.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, our tiny home will look like a freaking mansion.

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael was one of the last kids to enter down

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<v Speaker 2>into the truck trailer and was beyond thrilled to hear

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<v Speaker 2>and see the children. They had no idea as they

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<v Speaker 2>were being taken one from one from the van what

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<v Speaker 2>exactly was happening, And like you kind of said, they

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<v Speaker 2>all thought they were just like getting taken out, like executed. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That sense of relief of seeing everyone still alive was, however,

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<v Speaker 2>very short lived. Eventually the latter was removed, the opening

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<v Speaker 2>was covered with a heavy sheet of metal, and the

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<v Speaker 2>kids could hear dirt being thrown on top of the trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially they were being buried alive.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, holy shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Well, honestly, you'll find out, and it's fucked because.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing for me, Like, I'm a big why person.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to try and understand why. Even if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't grasp their thought process or concept or reasoning why,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just need to know why. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is not making any sense why so far, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Even when I tell you you're probably it's just not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be satisfying.

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<v Speaker 1>For well, I'm sure it's not. But to understand, to

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<v Speaker 1>at least have a motive is some sort of yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of lifeline to own.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a motive. I'm just going to leave it

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<v Speaker 2>at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no worries. Well wait we can wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you wait? Do you have any patients? Whatsoever?

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<v Speaker 1>I do as long as there is motive.

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<v Speaker 2>After being underground for twelve hours, you can imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>the conditions in this tractor trailer were starting to deteriorate. Right, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>the food was gone? Oh did I just lose my spot?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh jumped? What jumped? Like the page jumped?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Smooth, Okay, I found it again. And I could

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<v Speaker 2>have just like kept going because I actually like almost

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<v Speaker 2>memories this case. But I'm like, no, let's just let's

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<v Speaker 2>just find the notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Reset, reset good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So the food was gone, the fans for

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<v Speaker 2>ventilation had stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>So it would be so hot and humid in there

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<v Speaker 1>and like no oxygen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and they're like going to the bathroom the wheelwrows

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<v Speaker 2>and the roof was starting to cave in.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, so the.

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<v Speaker 2>Freaking tear the I just can't even imagine. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was at this point that I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them were finally grasping that they like may not go home.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they're just like little teeny tiny babies, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're just oh so Michael, that was the fourteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old who I had mentioned earlier. Yeah, he was like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last ones that went into the truck. Trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Him and Ed decided, if we're going to die in here,

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<v Speaker 2>let's at least diet, or let's at least what am

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<v Speaker 2>I trying to say? Holy okay, I have it so

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<v Speaker 2>written wrong, and I'm like in my brain and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying of all this.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done that a film.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if they're gonna die, let's like at least

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<v Speaker 2>attempt to get the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of there, and let's not just sit back again.

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<v Speaker 2>And die that way versus just like sitting back, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's try and do something about this.

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<v Speaker 2>So they started stacking the mattresses on top of each

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<v Speaker 2>other so that they could reach the opening at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the truck and take turns pushing on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, remember the opening was covered with heavy sheets

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<v Speaker 2>of metal and it was also weighted down with two

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<v Speaker 2>truck batteries.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dang, what about the dirt though.

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<v Speaker 2>And buried jeez, So they were attempting. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>was sheet metal, there's two truck betterers and they're buried.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They were literally giving it all they had, and all

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<v Speaker 2>the little kiddles were like cheering them on.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Like I feel like that's just like

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<v Speaker 2>such a like cute little visual.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like the only hope you have, and that

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<v Speaker 1>cheering is just going to like help your adrenaline too. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just such a dire situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unbelievable, like unbelievable, this whole case. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still I know so much about it, but it

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<v Speaker 2>still just shocks me. And then eventually, after hours of effort,

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<v Speaker 2>they managed to wedge the lid open with a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of wood and were able to move the batteries. This

430
00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.480
<v Speaker 2>was just one piece of the puzzle, though. They then

431
00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.599
<v Speaker 2>had to dig away the remainder of the debris blocking

432
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<v Speaker 2>the entrance because okay, because I don't really describe it

433
00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:13.119
<v Speaker 2>super well, but it was like they had this sheet

434
00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.359
<v Speaker 2>metal and then there was like a box, like a

435
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<v Speaker 2>wooden box over top so that you could kind of

436
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<v Speaker 2>get up, and then you had to like move the

437
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<v Speaker 2>box and like start digging.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, Okay, Yeah, And the nice thing is is I'm

439
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<v Speaker 1>assuming there's enough room inside this trailer that you can

440
00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.559
<v Speaker 1>pull dirt in, push it aside, and you can tunnel

441
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<v Speaker 1>your way out.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

443
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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing with like being buried alive in like

444
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<v Speaker 1>a coffin or something. If you do break through that

445
00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.039
<v Speaker 1>coffin lid, dirt's just pouring in. There's no room for

446
00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you to tunnel out, you know what I mean.

447
00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's like, yeah, there's tons of room in there

448
00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:50.039
<v Speaker 2>for the dirt to go into. Yeah. Oh gosh, thanks

449
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.799
<v Speaker 2>for just like giving me that coughin visual.

450
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, I've always thought about that because I love I

451
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<v Speaker 1>love the movie Kill Bill, the Quentin Tarantino film. Okay,

452
00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.079
<v Speaker 1>and there's one scene where she gets buried alive and

453
00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 1>she breaks out. But I'm just like, I always thought

454
00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that was just so bogus.

455
00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know it's just a movie, but like

456
00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 2>she said, wouldn't that wouldn't be how it would be.

457
00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as soon as you break through the lid of

458
00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.559
<v Speaker 1>the coffin, the dirt's just gonna clapse in on you

459
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and you're fucked.

460
00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's very true.

461
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah.

462
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that there's that little bit of hope there.

463
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.240
<v Speaker 2>So there was no stop in Michael. He kept digging

464
00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and digging until finally, sixteen hours after they had entered

465
00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the truck, a ray of sunlight came pouring down into

466
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<v Speaker 2>the opening.

467
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<v Speaker 1>Michael.

468
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<v Speaker 2>So, Michael badass, Michael Days, the badass of the day.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Story there we go.

470
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like fourteen years old man, and just like no stop,

471
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<v Speaker 2>Like he just kept.

472
00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Digging and digging and dating for him.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Like, I just am so impressed with that. That is incredible, incredible.

474
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<v Speaker 1>You're a hero.

475
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>He totally is absolutely Okay. So they had no idea

476
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<v Speaker 2>what was going to be out there when they emerge, though, Hm,

477
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:05.119
<v Speaker 2>were the kidnappers just outside with their guns or was

478
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.880
<v Speaker 2>this or like, how was this going to go down.

479
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling they're alone, that's my guess.

480
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 2>So little Michael, being the badass of the day, stuck

481
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>his head out first and there was no one around,

482
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.599
<v Speaker 2>not a soul in sight.

483
00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Good good, they can make their escape.

484
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>When they finally all fully emerged, they got a full

485
00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:32.000
<v Speaker 2>grass of exactly how camouflaged the trailer was hidden. There

486
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.359
<v Speaker 2>would have been absolutely no way that they would have

487
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.759
<v Speaker 2>been able to like anyone looking for them would have

488
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:40.359
<v Speaker 2>been able to know that there was a trailer buried there,

489
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>damn Like it was unbelievable from the photo.

490
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<v Speaker 1>So are you going to post said photo on Instagram?

491
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know how what have I already said?

492
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm posting what we can post, Like I have to

493
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.519
<v Speaker 2>post a few so like the inside and then like

494
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:53.759
<v Speaker 2>the out how it looked.

495
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.759
<v Speaker 1>But you can post like the multiple shots right, so

496
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>you can like slide and see a bunch of shots.

497
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Because I know, I think people are gonna want to

498
00:24:58.559 --> 00:24:59.160
<v Speaker 2>see these photos.

499
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<v Speaker 1>I want to see them. Definitely.

500
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<v Speaker 2>It's honestly basically a miracle that they got out. Really like,

501
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a freaking mirror.

502
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Especially like if you have a bunch of kids, like this,

503
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:14.400
<v Speaker 1>chances are you're not going to have the muscle power

504
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.440
<v Speaker 1>or you think you have the muscle power to even

505
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:17.559
<v Speaker 1>attempt to escape.

506
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, like, it's it's amazing that they got out,

507
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just holy moly.

508
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.880
<v Speaker 1>No kidding, good for them, good for Michael.

509
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm and ed and ed. So it was eight

510
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.839
<v Speaker 2>pm on July sixteen when the group emerged and started

511
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.839
<v Speaker 2>walking to find help. They heard some equipment operating up ahead,

512
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and obviously we're worried that it could be the kidnappers,

513
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>like frig but feeling like they had no other choice,

514
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:47.799
<v Speaker 2>they walked ahead. They eventually entered into this work site

515
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.519
<v Speaker 2>and were approached by like some very stun workers in

516
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>hard hats. Remember they were in liver Livermore I think, yeah, Livermore, California,

517
00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.559
<v Speaker 2>which was one hundred miles from Chichilla, at a Corey

518
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>work site, and that's where they were finally saved. They

519
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.240
<v Speaker 2>were saved. Yes, these were not bad people, these were

520
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>just workers.

521
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Not a single casualty, right, No, well, I mean I'm

522
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 1>sure there's like minor injuries, is that casualty?

523
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:16.759
<v Speaker 2>But no, no one died. No one died.

524
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's incredible, Like amazing. Wow.

525
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Police arrived and the children were taking taken to Santa

526
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Rita Rehabilitation Center. So it's like a jail, but it

527
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 2>was the closest place they could hold them safely while

528
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.759
<v Speaker 2>they collected evidence and while they were being examined by doctors.

529
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 2>After four hours from from being from escaping, the children

530
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 2>boarded yet another bus to head home. I was like,

531
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.839
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh. Boarding that bus probably was just like terrifying.

532
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Hey yeah, like, oh my goodness to have to climb

533
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 2>in there, like after just that happened. H And the

534
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.319
<v Speaker 2>reunion with their parents was so sweet.

535
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I can only imagine.

536
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a bunch to say about it. One

537
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>little boy came from the bus, got placed into his

538
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 2>mom's arms, said hi mom, and instantly fell asleep on

539
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 2>her shoulder, just like finally feeling like safe.

540
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, oh my, that's that is heart wrenching.

541
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Finally getting in your parents' arms and just like feeling

542
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>like you're you lactually survived and you're safe.

543
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>It's it's over.

544
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh, just like my heart. Okay. So, and you're probably

545
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.480
<v Speaker 2>wondering at this point what the ship was all about, Right.

546
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been wondering that this whole fucking time. What do

547
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 1>you mean that at this point, Like, what the fuck?

548
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.559
<v Speaker 1>I even like granted about it for like a minute.

549
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>No, you're just starting to wonder.

550
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm just starting now, Yeah, you know what I

551
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>am actually, now that you mentioned it, I'm starting to

552
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>get a little curious, Yes, a bit, just a teasy

553
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 1>weep it.

554
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 2>So obviously, immediately the police went to where the trailer

555
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>was buried and started digging for evidence. It was about

556
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:05.799
<v Speaker 2>a two week investigation, but finally twenty four year old

557
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Frederick Newell Woods, who was the son of the owner

558
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 2>of the rock quarry and had keys to get in

559
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and enough access to have buried a trailer in there,

560
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and his two friends, twenty four year old James this

561
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.759
<v Speaker 2>is gonna be a tough one Scotenfield or something, I

562
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>think is how you.

563
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Say his last name, James asshole.

564
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much, and his younger brother, twenty two year old Richard,

565
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>were arrested.

566
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Richard Asshole Junior.

567
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like these guys, Oh, and they're like I showed

568
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>you a picture of them. They just look fre geting nasty.

569
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>So did they ever return to the crime scene at all?

570
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Like the buried trailer.

571
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Getting there? Okay, okay, we're getting there because it's actually

572
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.519
<v Speaker 2>quite hilarious.

573
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh hilarious.

574
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh, so the kicker. All these men came from wealthy families.

575
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 2>They were like wealthy af After a warrant was issued

576
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 2>to search the woods estate, they came across a piece

577
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 2>of paper laying out the plan of the kidnapping. Oh,

578
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>a draft ransom note, and the list of children's names

579
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and ages they had collected when they were transferring them

580
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.079
<v Speaker 2>from the bus or from the van to the buried trailer.

581
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>The plan was that they were going to ask for

582
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 2>a five million dollar ransom ransom in exchange for the children.

583
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

584
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>The ransom was never actually asked for, though they attempted

585
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to phone in, but the phone lines to the Chichilla

586
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Police Department were so inundated with calls from like parents

587
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>media that they couldn't get through, so they decided to

588
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.599
<v Speaker 2>go to sleep instead, and when they woke up, they

589
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>found through the news that the victims had freed themselves.

590
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh my fucking god, what the f fuck?

591
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Like, isn't that just fucked up? So they can get

592
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>through and they're just like, fuck it, they've been up

593
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.720
<v Speaker 2>like pretty much all night. I guess let's just go

594
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:11.079
<v Speaker 2>to bed.

595
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Want to know how I picture this going down.

596
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>The three of them are sitting in their fucking parents'

597
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>basement or whatever the fuck it is and.

598
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Their parents mansion.

599
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yeah, and they're sitting here just like having

600
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a fucking beer and they're like, Okay, I'm gonna try

601
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>call again. Dude, it it's busy. Oka's try again. It's busy.

602
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>They try like maybe like five times, and like, dude,

603
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.279
<v Speaker 1>is it just I can't we can't get through. We

604
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>just can't get through. You know what. Fuck it, Let's

605
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 1>just go to bed. Let's I'm tired, dude, Like we

606
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 1>spent all day driving. Fuck it. Let should go to bed.

607
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>It'll be fine. And they wake up in the morning

608
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, oh shit, and they're just fucked.

609
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But meanwhile, to even go to bed, like I mean, okay,

610
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>they're not good people. We already know they're they're shit.

611
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>But it's like those people those if they had left

612
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.759
<v Speaker 2>the men much longer, like they could have just died

613
00:30:58.799 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 2>in there.

614
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and.

615
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Like do they not give a shit about that? Like

616
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.119
<v Speaker 2>God is just like holy heck.

617
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 1>So were they specifically targeting that bus or were they

618
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>just waiting for a bus or what?

619
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, what I'm about to say might help you here.

620
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.599
<v Speaker 2>So James later stated that despite coming from wealthy families,

621
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>both he and Woods were deeply in debt. We needed

622
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 2>multiple victims to get multiple millions, and we picked children

623
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 2>because children are precious. The state would be willing to

624
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.039
<v Speaker 2>pay ransom for them, and they don't fight back.

625
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>They're vulnerable, fucking trash like.

626
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that brutal?

627
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 1>God?

628
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 2>So, Fred, James, and Richard all pleaded guilty to kidnapping

629
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>for ransom and robbery, but pleaded not guilty to bodily harm,

630
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>as a conviction on that count in conjunction with the

631
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 2>kidnapping charge, carried a mandatory sentence of life in prison

632
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>without the possibility of parole.

633
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm I'm sure you're gonna get to it here,

634
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 1>but no bodily harm was done. Are you're fucking kidding me?

635
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 1>You had him at shotgun point, You had him fucking

636
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>in a mobile, locked up prison. Ye buried them under

637
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 1>fucking ground where they are literally about to fucking suffocate

638
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.799
<v Speaker 1>to death or fucking get carved in on dirt. How

639
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the fuck is that not bodily harm? You starve them? Like,

640
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck?

641
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I know they have got like that traumatized the fuck

642
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:41.359
<v Speaker 2>out of these children.

643
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:43.599
<v Speaker 1>No shit, they better have gotten slapped with that.

644
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Hum. So they were tried on the bodily harm charge,

645
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:52.319
<v Speaker 2>found guilty good, and given the mandatory sentence of life

646
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>in prison without the possibility of parole.

647
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you fucking trash, You're gonna fucking rot. But for

648
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>fuck's sakes, of course, there's a butt. God damn it.

649
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>What okay, what what is it? Oh my gosh, you

650
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 1>had to do that to me?

651
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.759
<v Speaker 2>I know, I feel absolutely terrible. Just a few years later,

652
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>their convictions were overturned by an appeal which found that

653
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 2>physical injuries subtained sustained by the children, like mostly cuts

654
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>and bruises, did not meet the standard for bodily harm

655
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:33.160
<v Speaker 2>under the law. They were resentenced to life with the

656
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>possibility of parole.

657
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 1>They better not fucking end up getting parole.

658
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 2>So and it's okay, and this, okay, this is like

659
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 2>their lawyers, they had freaking awesome lawyers.

660
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, their parents have money.

661
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like, could you imagine being that lawyer that

662
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:49.839
<v Speaker 2>has to put that up I mean we've talked about

663
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 2>this before. That puts that appeal in like freak, Like,

664
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how you could do that. I

665
00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:02.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know because now these mofos get I don't even

666
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 2>have it in here. But there was like sixty times

667
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>where it would come up were they their parole came up,

668
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and so all these freaking victims have to relive their

669
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 2>goddamn trauma and go and like testify.

670
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine having to? Fuck you're one of those

671
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 1>rich parents whose kid fucking buried children alive because they

672
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 1>were in debt just because they were irresponsible with their money,

673
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>And you are paying money to get your kid out

674
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.599
<v Speaker 1>of jail because you believe that, oh, he didn't actually

675
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 1>do that much wrong. He deserves to freedom. Fuck that.

676
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I know. You're my kid, I love you. I'm going

677
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 1>to fucking visit you in prison where you're rotting for

678
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life.

679
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I know. Like it's too much Yeah, like they did.

680
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 2>That's too much wrong. Yeah, it's too much wrong. Okay,

681
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>So you ready for this?

682
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh God.

683
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Richard was released in twenty twelve and James in twenty fifteen.

684
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Those are the brothers Fred the I just keep going here. Fred,

685
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the ring leader of the whole operation, is still in jail.

686
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 2>He continues to minimize his crime as well as continues

687
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Speaker 2>to get caught with contrabround, porn, and cell phones. He

688
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>also is apparently running several businesses in prison and hasn't

689
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>been I guess when you do that, you have to

690
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>notify the prison authorities about it, which he hasn't. He

691
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:38.079
<v Speaker 2>has a gold mine and a car dealership. I'm going

692
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to keep going here because it gets a little worse.

693
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, keep going.

694
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Also, coming from a wealthy family, this piece of shit,

695
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's why I'm like, do his parents not actually

696
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 2>think he's a piece of shit? Inherited a trust fund,

697
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>so he inherited trust him from his parents, described in

698
00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:00.280
<v Speaker 2>one court filing as being worth one hundred million dollar.

699
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Fucking god.

700
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.119
<v Speaker 2>He's been married three times while in prison and has

701
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 2>purchased a mansion about thirty minutes away from the prison. Like,

702
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I just can't believe that someone does something so shitty

703
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:14.559
<v Speaker 2>and still like this rich mofol.

704
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>No shit, Holy fuck.

705
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.840
<v Speaker 2>You just look like you're just like been put through

706
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:26.360
<v Speaker 2>the ringer.

707
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a fucking roller coaster, fucking episode. Holy shit.

708
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, by your f bombs like in Dell.

709
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

710
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Fuck thanks, Okay, enough about them, enough about them, like

711
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 2>just enough. Yeah, back to the victims. We're gonna be

712
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>wrapping up here soon. But it's not great, as you

713
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.119
<v Speaker 2>can expect. The victims, a lot of them had suffered

714
00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:01.039
<v Speaker 2>from panic attacks, nightmares involving kidnappings and death. Many developed

715
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 2>fears of such things like cars and the dark.

716
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

717
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Symptoms of trauma were reported at least twenty five years

718
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 2>after the kidnapping, including many of them with substance abuse

719
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.360
<v Speaker 2>and depression, and a number of them have also been

720
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 2>in prisoned themselves for doing something controlling to somebody else.

721
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>These guys fuck these kids up.

722
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 2>I know, Like it was just such a ridiculous like

723
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the how traumatized they would have been, like from this,

724
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 2>and that's not something that you just like get over really, no,

725
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:38.079
<v Speaker 2>not at all. Like they got buried freaking alive. Yeah,

726
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>So I mean I know, some like some even though

727
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>they had all this trauma, like they still went and

728
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 2>had kids and families and stuff. But then, like one

729
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.679
<v Speaker 2>lady even said after she had her kid, it almost

730
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>got a little worse because she's just like fearful for them, right,

731
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 2>it might happen to kid that would she ever be

732
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.639
<v Speaker 2>able to put that kid on af briagain school boss? Yeah,

733
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>you know without thinking twice? Probably not damn.

734
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, to be fair though, like I'm sure a

735
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of that PTSD and anxiety stuff is in trauma

736
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>is connected to the incident. But I mean, you have,

737
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 1>what was it, twenty six kids. Yeah, I'm sure that

738
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be some some of those kids might

739
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>have gone to jail anyways regardless, or had bad lives

740
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>or done things like you know, I'm sure majority of

741
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.519
<v Speaker 1>that stuff is related to the incident, but there's going.

742
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>To be some stuff that they could have ended doing

743
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>something bad anyway. Yeah, like one or two of the

744
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty six.

745
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some of them might have ended up going to

746
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 1>prison anyways or being bad people or doing bad things.

747
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Some six But then like a lot of that, like

748
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the substance abuse too cause them to do like bad things.

749
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 1>But I mean substance abuse as well, Like you, out

750
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>of twenty six people, you're going to have substance abuse

751
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 1>most likely. Yeah, So it might not be correlated to

752
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.639
<v Speaker 1>that specifically. I'm just playing Devil's advocate, you are.

753
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm like, no, these pieces of shit ruin their life.

754
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Well they did, don't get me wrong. And most likely

755
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.559
<v Speaker 1>this substance abuse, the jail time, whatever occurred to these

756
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>kids is most likely tied to that. But who's to

757
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.280
<v Speaker 1>say that all of it was so just playing devil's

758
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 1>advocate there, just to keep a neutral perspective.

759
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 2>That's fair. That's fair. In twenty sixteen, so not too

760
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 2>long ago, the kidnapped children settled a lawsuit they had

761
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>filed against their kidnappers. The exact settlement amount was not disclosed,

762
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 2>but one survivor said it was enough to pay for

763
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.559
<v Speaker 2>some serious therapy, but not enough to buy a house.

764
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.800
<v Speaker 2>So they got a little bit of money, like wave

765
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 2>down the road. But I just don't even think any

766
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>amount of money could.

767
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 1>Considering that fucking ring leader now has over one hundred

768
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:51.280
<v Speaker 1>million dollars.

769
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, it apparently came from his trust or something.

770
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Well he should be liking what here's.

771
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, he's you'd leave all his money to that?

772
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I'm sure he wouldn't, but.

773
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 2>But he he's a terrible person. Like the other ones,

774
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:11.079
<v Speaker 2>I think did some rehabilitation and like got it. Maybe

775
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if i'd say better, but like even

776
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 2>some of one of the victims went and visited them

777
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and like met him because that's what he needed to

778
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.639
<v Speaker 2>help with him dealing with his trauma. But this Fred dude,

779
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I think is just an all around piece of shit.

780
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's fucking trash. Would you would think that, Oh,

781
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I did this because I was in debt and I need

782
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 1>five million dollars to get out of debt. Now you

783
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>have over one hundred million dollars. Maybe you should, I

784
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know, pay it forward to the damage you caused

785
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>in these kids. Yeah, but clearly not. He's fucking trash,

786
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:44.639
<v Speaker 1>total trash.

787
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.760
<v Speaker 2>And the last thing I'm going to say is about

788
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Ed Ed is the bus driver. Yeah, okay, just making

789
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 2>sure you remember. I remember Ed in twenty two so

790
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 2>he died in twenty twelve. And before he died, though,

791
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.280
<v Speaker 2>he was visited by many of this school children he

792
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>had help save, which I thought was adorable.

793
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 1>I like that. Yeah.

794
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 2>And every February twenty sixth or February twenty sixth, so

795
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why that's so hard to say, which

796
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:20.840
<v Speaker 2>was his birthday has been declared Edward ray Day in Chechilla.

797
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I like that, Yeah, Ray Day, love it.

798
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I know, it even just sounds like a glorious day.

799
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:29.440
<v Speaker 1>It does a little ray of sunshine in February.

800
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there we go.

801
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 1>That was a fucking roller coaster.

802
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 2>I know. That was like okay, and I tried to

803
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:38.840
<v Speaker 2>just do that case a bit different and like keep

804
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit more suspenseful and boom.

805
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean like clearly, like you were telling the story

806
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.119
<v Speaker 1>from the very beginning, so it's like, clearly there's they

807
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:52.679
<v Speaker 1>get caught. Clearly there's some survivors, but it was still like, okay,

808
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 1>do they all fucking survive or it just like one

809
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:56.559
<v Speaker 1>manages to survive somehow.

810
00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:00.639
<v Speaker 2>It's actually amazing. I even listening to that, you're reading

811
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.840
<v Speaker 2>like you would have thought one some of them might

812
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 2>have died, you know.

813
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that my assumption was that they were going to

814
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 1>start getting executed, and I was.

815
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, why could you imagine? Oh that's not that's disgusting.

816
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all the whole thing is disgusting already.

817
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well I'm glad they made it out, I know.

818
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it's like it's a good ending, not a

819
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.880
<v Speaker 2>great ending, but a lot better than it could have been.

820
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot better than it could have been. Although

821
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>that one hundred million dollars.

822
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Should not h fuck freakin' Fred.

823
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Dude's fucking trash? Fred or was it Frank?

824
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember. That's how little I give a

825
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 2>shit about him.

826
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:40.239
<v Speaker 1>How fuck that guy?

827
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it? Fred? Or Frank? Do we care? Should I look?

828
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>No? Fuck it?

829
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're done with him.

830
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Fuck Fred, Frank fucker.

831
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Thanks for listening. We'll post some pictures up on

832
00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Instagram so you can uh check out it if you want.

833
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 2>It is intriguing, Like, definitely go go check it out

834
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and let us know what you think.

835
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm scared to see these photos, but I want

836
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 1>to see them.

837
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're They're not great, but they're interesting. It kind

838
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>of like rounds out the story. Well, so do take

839
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.079
<v Speaker 2>a look. Go take a look. And with that being said,

840
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 2>make sure you stay wicked.