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Speaker 3: Nobody seen, Nobody you see, you don't need no Man's like.

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Speaker 4: You followed a little story.

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Speaker 3: And you got directed like that.

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Speaker 4: That's the way.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Don't like a dang on the panel. Man, you don't matter.

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Speaker 5: Man, all right, Librarian of Colino, welcome back to the

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Jay Burton Show.

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Speaker 3: How you doing man here again? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Our last episode was sort of a sleeper hit. You know,

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it did about as well as everyone else, but I

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got a very long trail of emails and comments, people

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coming back to it saying it was a great conversation,

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and you know, I had to agree, and so yeah, man,

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I figured i'd have you back on particularly to talk

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about your most recent essay. So I assume people remember

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you check out a substack.

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Speaker 3: It's quite good.

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Speaker 5: But if you could, could you describe sort of what

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motivated you to write this essay and then your general

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thesis if you could.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 3: I was motivated to write about it because, well, I guess,

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sort of a sense of duty, you know, because everybody

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else was talking about it and a lot of the

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commentary around it. I sort of felt missed not the point.

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There's a lot of points being made in there, but

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I thought it missed a point, a point I think

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the author himself didn't quite fully wrap himself around. And

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I'm not the only one to I'll get a little

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more into it, but I'm not the only one that

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sort of think the author sort of missed, missed a point,

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or pulled a punch or something like that. But there

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was a lot of sort of anger and doomerism around

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the response to this article. People throwing their hands up

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in the air.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: See this proves that it's always been like this. They

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hate white people. You can't get ahead, you can't get

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a job, the systems, you know, we need to turn

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our rage against the system and stuff. And I think

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there certainly is. And this is a point I made

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in my article. I thought it'd be more controversial than

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it was. That people really just seem to respond to

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it well. But the anger, right that, the energy behind that,

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I think directing it at the system is not as

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important as it is to take that energy and turn

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it towards our own creative endeavors, making something new out

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of the ruins of what's clearly collapsing around us. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a difficult needle to thread because and look,

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even before this compact piece, this is a drum that

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I've been beating on for quite a while that there

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are cards stacked against white men, in particularly young white men.

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But the problem is, right, your analysis can often not

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your personally uh mister Klino. But you know, one analysis

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can can veer into a sort of a sense of hopelessness.

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that comes from the kind of woke right crowd, the

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people who say that a lot, we're like, oh no,

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this is horrible. You know, by by pointing out that

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there is, you know, racial discrimination against white people, you're

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you know, adopting the same quote unquote victim morality of

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all over again. And Okay, that's disingenuous. That's there for

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a reason. But I think there is a genuine danger

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in creating sort of you know, Jesse Jackson for white people, right,

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this this like permanent grievance status, because look like it's

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it's it is true, there are very real structural barriers.

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But the problem is the best advice you can give

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to an individual, like a person who has no ability

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to change kind of a system is actually boomer advice

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it is to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That

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can just be difficult to hear from a source who

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shall always say does not have your best interest at heart.

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Do you recognize that sort of tension unidentifying?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? And it is a problem because any time so

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it's correct, like you're right, the system is stacked against

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white men in a number of significant ways. The author

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does a great job of pointing this out. He mostly focuses,

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things like that, where there's these defined pads that are

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very easy to gatekeep, and I think if you butt

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your head against those, you're going to experience this more

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than as just an entrepreneur or an independent creator or

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something like that. But the cards, it's true, are stacked

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against us. And when you've already had the rug pulled

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out from you before because you believe somebody's promises, you

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know that. The story you get in response to this

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all the time is, oh, they told us to.

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Speaker 4: Go to college and we get a job, and we

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played by the rules, and we did everything they said

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and went to college, got the degree, and now I'm

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being replaced by you know, a guy from India and

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I can't get a job in the film industry.

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Speaker 3: Because of DEI. And it's true. So you're not gonna

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then listen to those same people when they come to

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you with good advice, when they say to you, listen,

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the only way, the only way forward is to just

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make your own path, and you know, not appeal to

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people who other people who people really don't have your

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best interest at heart.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that the people the boomers were

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giving disingenuous advice or evil advice when they told people.

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to do. And when it didn't work out, nobody's going

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to listen to the other thing as they say, which

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maybe are better advice, because the first thing didn't work.

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it's hard for somebody. We look at a boomer, you know,

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the typical way you see people respond to them on

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the right. Oh, this guy, you know, he had it easy.

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and he made all this money and now he's pulled

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up the ladder behind him and stuff and to some

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extent that's true, certainly in the industries that the Savage

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pointed out. Uh, but the general idea of you know,

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boomers had it universally easy and telling people to make

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their own way as bad, I think is completely counterproductive.

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Speaker 5: I think that there's also a there's an interesting I

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think cast to this argument as well, which is, in general,

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I actually think is entirely reasonable in the political landscape too,

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you know, to talk about and to address the dispossession

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of young white men. I think that that is a

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relatively speaking, winning strategy when compared to kind of color

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blind Reaganite capitalism. Can we say that, you know, for

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a bunch of random buzzwords to throw out there. And

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so it's difficult again because oftentimes the people who are

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trying to head this off at the path are doing

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so so that they can substitute a sort of return

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to you know, nineteen nineties conservatism. And the problem is

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is it's like, well, okay, like some of their specific

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critiques are in fact correct, but not for the right reason,

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and they're not making them in they're not doing that

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genuinely because they are primarily interested in the successive young

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white men. They are primarily interested in, at least in

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a stated sense, avoiding quote unquote identity politics. And you mentioned,

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of course the kind of dipping their toe in the

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rubicon that you see often from the sort of I E. W. Types,

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sort of like the good conservative, you know, the the

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the kind of on the on the reservation types. And

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I think that that's another point as well, that sort

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of moneies this discussion is at a certain point, it

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doesn't the discussion is not even really being had in particular,

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it becomes a sort of friend enemy you know, are

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you a group I like or not? If you see

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what I'm getting at there, man.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I think that there's a positive and a

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negative in framing the political issue as we need we

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need to address the needs of young white men. Right.

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That's there's there's two sides to that. Two parts of that.

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On the one hand, white men are being screwed over

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in different economic spheres because they're white men at the

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same time, and and economics there's there's it's very difficult

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to a imagine and economics that just sort of universally

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benefits white men categorically, if you're a blue collar, young

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white man. Then the world that's going to benefit stockbrokers

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and media personalities and things like that is not necessarily

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going to benefit you. You know, if I'm trying to

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make money in the finance industry, tariffs aren't going to

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help me where they are going to help the guy

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who wants to be an electrical engineering. There's a class

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dimension to it as well that I think it's very

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easy to paper over with this just sort of appeal

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to whiteness as such or white maleness as such. There's

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no economy that's going to universally benefit all white men

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equally in economics. That's just what. Everything in economics benefits

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some people and not so much other people, or not

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at all other people. In terms of the critique, you know,

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savage is the critique you mentioned about the rubicon. Everything

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article about this story. Savage is critique is a liberal critique.

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working like it should and it should be working, and

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we should be upset about that. The implication of what

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he's saying is is that we need to just sort

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of introduce this sort of colorblind meritocracy, and the general

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rightist critique of that is, well, all these other people

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are acting in their racial interests, such as it is,

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we should do that too. But again it comes back

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to the point I was making before. What is the

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white economic interest? Does it benefit white people? Would be

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a financialized economy like neoliberalism wants. Does it benefit white

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people to have a high tariff reindustrializing economy? What's the

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what's going to benefit white people? And so I think

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thinking about it that way is counterproductive. I think that

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what we should be focusing on is how do we

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use conditions as they exist to thrive and then longer

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term or at the same time, how do we change

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the system so that I, as a white man with

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my neighbors and everything that can prosper. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And you see sort of a mirror image of this

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in the conversation about dating and family formation, which might

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be my least favorite conversation ever on the Internet. And

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somehow I keep getting stuck back into it because you

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have largely correct systemic critique saying, you know, this is

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much more difficult. You know you can run through, you

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know the problem simply meeting women, let alone, you know,

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divorce court, any one of these kind of classic you know,

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pua sort of, I guess it would be MRAs would

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be probably more accurate complaints which are you know, there's fair,

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there's some merit there. But the problem is in both

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the case of the economy and in the case of

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you know you finding them and eventually having children, you

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have a definite amount of time on this earth, like

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there is only a certain amount of time you have

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on the game board, so to speak. And so if

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you take ten years out to wait for conditions to approve,

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well they may well improve, but you have spent a

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non renewable resource a decade of your life at a minimum.

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literally hundreds of job interviews, your job applications with no

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interviews where it seems as if that is explicitly racial

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in a turn right, you were preferring some to others,

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and so well, I guess I accept your critique kind

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of more broadly, the idea that you know, you should

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not approach economics in racial terms at a certain point,

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much as you've said, kind of accepting the state of

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play it is. It seems to me to be an

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understandable response to a situation where you are moving from

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sort of an individual economic actor to a racialized actor

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some very like New Left. But do you get what

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I'm trying to express there?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the system sort of by virtue of the fact

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that it's excluding you because you belong to this category,

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is trying to force you into this category. And if

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you start thinking of yourself in that category. I'm not

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saying it's necessarily wrong to think of yourself as I'm

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a white man. I have interest as a white man.

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But if you start thinking of yourself that way, it

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creates these other issues. You know, Okay, so what's the

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economy that's going to benefit white men? How do you

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construct that? And you know, you say, okay, well, you know, like,

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for example, if I want to get a job in

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the tech industry, right, the the the legal environment, the

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financial environment, the all the the laws around that, everything

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like that. That's going to if I, if I optimize

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things to benefit the tech industry, well, that's going to

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hurt other industries where other white men work, you know.

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And am I better off being excluded from the economy

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because I'm white? Or am I better off being excluded

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because some other white people decided to engineer things in

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their direction? I think if you my my economic thinking

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generally revolves around the idea of a fair system. Whatever

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it is, is a system that allows a man to

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earn a living and support a family in moderate comfort

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in the town he grew up in, living in the

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manner of his ancestors. Anything that creates those conditions is just.

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And I think it's possible to have an economy where

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that's broadly true without even necessarily introducing any kind of

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racial element to it. If you say, the population we

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have right now, if you freeze it and don't let

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in any more immigrants, and keep the racial balance like

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it is and everything like that, you could still create

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broad based prosperity by having that as your focus. Now,

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how do we get there? That's a different question that

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involves a whole bunch of policy choices. For my part,

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I like the tendency of the current administration is going

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with that in terms of tariffs and reindustrialization. I think

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that bodes well.

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Speaker 5: One other thing that you bring up in this article,

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and it's funny because this is a point that I

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have made as well, which is the importance of sort

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of the status economy. I wrote an article on this

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year's and a half ago called social emotional patronage. I

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think I published it. I remember doing it. I might

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not have talking about how you know this exists for

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a certain portion of the left, whereas kind of you know,

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in a broader sense, you know, a perching power has decreased,

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and you know, cost of living has decreased. The patronage

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to certain groups has sort of moved from economic to

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social status. Right, that is the primary GiB, you know,

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it is that you get to act and feel better

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than your family, not necessarily that you're richer than them.

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You see this with sort of the rage towards Coulock's,

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you know, the sort of wealthy tradesmen and small business owners.

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But similarly, on the right there is sort of this

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one hand, there is this broad frustration with the system

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and desire to sort of make yourself deliberately repugnant to

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that system, basically saying like, I don't derive my status

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from you. I don't care about your moral U you know,

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your moral invective against me because you your opinion of

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me doesn't matter. Whereas at the same time, there is

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a I am aggrieved because I have not been given

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access to, you know, a high status job. I think

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that that's an interesting tension there. Now, I will say,

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and this is a common refrain I hear from people,

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which is a generalized economic anxiety. Right, I am downwardly mobile,

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I am poorer than my parents and my grandparents, and

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I feel as if I have not been given a

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fair shake in that understandable, understandable enough, but also at

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a certain point, you know, if we've accepted that these

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people are your enemies. At a certain point, if they

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are your enemies, they are not going to give you

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nice things. They're not going to treat you well because

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they don't view you as part of their group, part

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of their coalition. And so I think that it's tough

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because on one hand, you know, it would be nice

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to be you know, wealthy and comfortable and you know,

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high status. But at a certain point, I don't know

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how compatible that is with political dissonance. Do you see

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what I'm sort of poking around there?

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Speaker 3: Liberian? Absolutely? In fact, I called this in my essay

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the schizophrenia on the right, where on the one hand,

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one week a guy will write an essay about how

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crooked the system is, how completely unsuitable it is for

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any kind of authentic existence as a rightist. You know,

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you can't live traditionally, you can't live transcendently, you can't

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live the way a Rits is supposed to live in

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the system. Systems are enemy, the systems against us. And

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then the next week you'll get an essay, why won

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would they give me a job? Why can't I Why

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can't I thrive in this system? This is unfair?

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Speaker 4: This is it.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe they hate me. It's like, you know,

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which is it?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Quit going to these people and deriving any sense whatsoever

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of self worth from them. Status is not something that

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can be given. It can't. You cannot hand somebody's status,

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you know. I mean, in a traditional society you can

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inherit status. But in a society like ours, in a

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liberal society, you can't just pull somebody out and say,

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this guy is somebody you should listen to. Why. I mean,

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if you think about this, think about the jobs and

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the roles in society where people are supposed to have status. Okay,

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I'm a CEO, I'm an army general, I'm a congressman,

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I'm a university professor. Nobody respects those people who's you know,

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who's the politician right now, whereverybody's like that guy's got status,

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you know, I want to I defer to him. He

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walks in a room, people pop their hats off for

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that guy who's the college professor. Where people looking at

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that guy and saying, whoa this guy like is a

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major influence on the intellectual trends. And there are I mean,

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there are some people I would argue that are like that.

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But it's in general, you can't just take these mediocrities,

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give them a job, give them, you know, the judicial

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robes or the fancy hat or the fancy title or

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whatever like that, and just now they have status. It

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doesn't work that way. You know, you could take somebody

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like Katanji Brown Jackson from judicial obscurity you can make

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her a Supreme Court justice. Everybody understands as soon as

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she opens her mouth she's completely in qualified for that job.

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When you watch I made this point in the essay.

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You watch the latest Disney slop that came down the pike.

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They put the Star Wars label on it, They got

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lightsabers running around. Everybody realizes it's crap. And just because

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you've managed to attach somebody's name to that, they don't

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derive any status from that. You know, the people I

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deal with on the right, just on substack and acts

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online and my personal life and stuff, these are people

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who are interesting and creative and smart and hard working.

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And there's no reason whatsoever they should be going to

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these people looking for any kind of validation. It's not

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going to come, first of all, and second of all,

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you're better than them. You know, you work harder than them.

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You have to work harder than them because the system

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doesn't like you. And to the degree you're able to

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thrive within that system, that just shows the inner qualities

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that you have.

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Speaker 5: Well, and and that's you know, another another kind of

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interesting point here is that I think that the really

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the biggest positive development that I've seen on the right

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in the last two years has been an increase focused

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on building and actually doing something, whether you know you

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have my friends and colleagues at the OGC right doing

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something you know, more kind of fraternal, or also the

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kind of explosion in physical writing and publishing. I think

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about this where you know, I have been on kind

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of a run of you know, Andrew Edwards books, and

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between him and a few others writing fiction, it's very

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clear like, oh, even you know, even if the d

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hiring had been relaxed, if that was no longer a problem,

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this book couldn't have been written even by the literary

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establishment of two thousand and five or nineteen ninety five.

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And it's better for it, right, It's great, It's genuinely good.

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But it is its values are and kind of the

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thrust of it, even twenty thirty years ago, wholly and

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entirely antithetical to the sort of American civic religion. It

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is incompatible, and so you know, there's genuine value to it. It

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is artistic, it's good. I've actually been given another book,

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fed book by Stancliffe that I'm starting today, which is

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you know, similarly quite good. And there's an element to it,

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which it is. I actually think we would be worse

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off culturally and politically if our enemies had been able

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to control themselves, if they had been able to keep

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up the sort of worm tongue esque relationship where you know,

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many people were sort of paid off to ignore certain things.

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You know, it was sort of a you could still

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derive a certain amount of you know, status and a

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certain amount of wealth from the system. But now that

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those options are closed or closing, it is sort of

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a bizarre advantage because it almost forces you to work

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outside of a system which hates you. It forces a

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certain amount of independence. It is almost like a Darwinian

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or a selection style event. And so there is a

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bizarre way in which they could have had the three

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thousand year lib tard Reich if they could only have

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sort of kept their their baser instincts in check. But

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because they couldn't, because they wanted everything and they wanted

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to rub your nose in it. They have, as you've said,

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taken a group of people who are very talented and

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very hard working and pushed them out of the system,

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which has created this sort of push pull or on

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one hand, you have a brain drain, you know whereas before.

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And look, I don't want to be overly romantic about

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the Supreme Court, but to put it this way, you

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can't imagine Kataji Brown, however, supposed to say her Star

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Wars name, serving on the court one hundred years ago. Well,

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that means consequently that there is someone who should be

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on that court who is not. And that doesn't mean

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he's you know, great guy in particular, but you sort

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of have this push pull where they are following their

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ideas to their logical conclusion, making their sort of engine

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run worse and leaving you know, high end mentioned material

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out and cold. And so I think that in a

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weird way, they sort of have created now this monster

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from their perspective. And you know, as someone who does

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have a great deal of we say criticisms of you know,

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that system in a weird way, I'm glad they've locked

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us out because otherwise I think most people wouldn't have

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even bothered.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, liberalism is this world, Patrick Patrick.

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And he makes this point. Phillips makes this point where

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you're it's about taking down boundaries, it's about getting rid

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of any restrict Freedom is understood as the absence of restraint.

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So any restraints you can remove, whether they're traditional restraints,

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cultural restraints, religious restraints, the restraints of nature, you know, transgenderism,

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any restraints you can remove. And then it sort of

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follows from that that reality itself can sort of be

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willed into being. And so there's this idea that if

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we just see.

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Speaker 5: This with with Viveka Amfest, right, the idea that you know,

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there there is nothing there is no legitimate physical determinant

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for who is an American. It is entirely affirmative. Right,

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if you just look in the mirror and say three times,

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I'm an American, you are. It's exactly the same logic

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as you know transgenderism. But sorry, point it is just

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an interaction.

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Speaker 3: No, that that's great, great exams sample and you know,

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so there's this idea that, you know, reality can be

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just sort of remade. If we decide these people are

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college professors, if we decide these people are Hollywood writers,

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if we decide these people, you know, whatever we decide

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they are, we can make them that just through sort

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of force of will and control over media, and we

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can just convince everybody this is this is real, and

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reality is that thing that doesn't go away when you

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00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,240
ignore it. You know it's still there. And so I

478
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:31,720
made this point in the essay too. I was like,

479
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,400
imagine a counterfactual where Savage does get this job writing

480
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,559
in Hollywood like he wanted, you know, does he get

481
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:40,680
what he wants? No, Everything he's going to try to

482
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,839
put out that's original and interesting from his perspective is

483
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,960
just going to get ground into powder by a studio

484
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,640
that wants to homogenize everything and create this sort of

485
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,759
liberal slop woke message. You know, what if what if

486
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,279
they what if they came to you today and said, hey,

487
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,759
would you like to write for the Acolyte? Remember that show?

488
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,599
How would I use that as my example? You know,

489
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,799
what do you what are you going to do?

490
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,079
Speaker 4: Like?

491
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: What what would getting this job have benefited you? I

492
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,920
think we were given so like for example, with communism, right,

493
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,279
you look at the places in Europe that were under

494
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:14,680
Communist rule during the Cold War, you know, for like

495
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,839
fifty years and then when it all falls apart, those

496
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,880
are the places that are the bastions of cultural conservatism

497
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,920
as compared to Western Europe, which is just this degeneracy.

498
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,559
You know, the people that vote for the AfD in

499
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,240
Germany are all the Eastern German people that used to

500
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,480
be under communist rule, you know, Poland and Hungary, and

501
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,920
these are more far more traditionalist places for having gone

502
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,599
through this persecution. And I'm not saying it's good that

503
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,559
people are suffering. It's good that they're being persecuted. In

504
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:44,799
an ideal world, people would just be free to make

505
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,519
a living and have peaceful lives. But we shouldn't overlook

506
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,720
since we have to live in it anyway, we shouldn't

507
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,519
overlook the sort of purifying benefits of having to work

508
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,680
so much harder and think about who we are, you know,

509
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,559
we're being well And then yeah, well, and this is

510
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,720
actually a point. It's funny you bring stuff. This is

511
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,880
a point that I made at the it was the

512
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,440
first Cascade Frontier Conference, uh, in a speech I gave that,

513
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:19,079
look like there is a a purification through suffering. And

514
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,000
you know, well certainly, you know you wouldn't wish for that,

515
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:25,000
you know, you wouldn't you know, voluntarily kind of cast

516
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,759
yourself into you know, a YMRS situation. But you see

517
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,480
this all throughout scripture, right, the idea of you know,

518
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,200
God allowing his people to be carried away into captivity,

519
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,880
you know, moving from the twelve tribes to the you know,

520
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,799
the two of Israel. Uh.

521
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: Similarly, Frank Herbert's done where you have you know this,

522
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,440
these these people of Iracus who've been living in you know,

523
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:51,160
horrible conditions in the desert, and because of that, they've

524
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,720
been sort of formed into this blade that it was

525
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:59,039
used to you know, set the galaxy of blight. And

526
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,200
again that is to say I'm glad for this persecution.

527
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,119
I'm advocating for it, but I think that there is

528
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,680
a benefit. And to your point about you know, imagining

529
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Savage gets this job, imagine the counterfectual of like the

530
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,559
most stereotypical boomer, right growing up in the you know

531
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,480
the world of the nineteen fifties, you know, being able

532
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,519
to you know, have this extremely high standard of living. Right,

533
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,920
exactly what the meme would lead you to think, right,

534
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,759
the kind of prototypical baby boomer. It's like, okay, like

535
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,160
you would you take his role? Would you say? Like yes?

536
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,279
Like I will you know, be part of this great

537
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,279
kind of cash out of civilizational capital and watch my

538
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,240
country and my culture crumble around me. It's like, well, sure,

539
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,960
you might individually be more comfortable in that situation. But

540
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,119
I thought the whole point was that, you know, we

541
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,039
don't care primarily about hedonism, We aren't primarily interested in

542
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,119
living you know, comfortable lives in the pod. It's what's

543
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,160
true that matters. And I say that not to say,

544
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640
you know, the boomers did nothing wrong, or you know,

545
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,599
housing prices aren't insane. I've covered this extensively, but to say, like,

546
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,319
be very interested in what you're actually asking for here,

547
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:14,839
because it reminds me, and this is you're you're of

548
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160
the age to get this reference right, But it reminds

549
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
me of you know, the guy in the matrix right,

550
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
who wants to go back in the pot, who wants

551
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:27,319
to eat the digital steak, who wants to you know, effectively,

552
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,319
whose main opposition to the system is not that it's

553
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:34,440
evil and wrong and headed up by you know, godless pedophiles,

554
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,680
but it is simply that I am not in a

555
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:43,480
position of relative advantage there. And I certainly understand feeling

556
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,079
aggrieved because when you and I do the same thing,

557
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,519
when you read you know Kataji Brown, right, you know,

558
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,119
a descent or something, You're like, what what in the world,

559
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,480
like you can be a Supreme Court justice and be

560
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:58,720
like this, I understand that it rankles me, you know,

561
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,000
it raises my hanckles as much as anyone else does.

562
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,880
But again we have to understand, like, what is our

563
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,279
relationship to the system. Are we simply like super conservatives

564
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,440
who you know, have a slightly more radical view of

565
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,440
this system, but we still ultimately want it to exist.

566
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,119
We want these institutions to last or is it something

567
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:23,039
that is, you know, moribundant. Many things need to go away.

568
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:26,880
And again, like I'm just saying this for my audience,

569
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,279
but like I don't want people to take this the

570
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,359
wrong way. I've been The last episode I put out

571
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,519
with you know, Mark Mitchell was entirely about the dire

572
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,839
financial straits of young men and the coming political instability

573
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,119
from that. But at the same time, I think it's

574
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,720
very important to sort of be very explicit about what

575
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:53,160
you want and about what needs to come next, because,

576
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640
as you've said, you know, simply going back and getting

577
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,559
the screenwriting job in this you know, already deeply corrupt system.

578
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,839
Sure it might benefit you in the short term, but

579
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,200
it doesn't solve this issue anyway. I'll kick it back

580
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:08,400
to you.

581
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, and I think I mentioned this

582
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:16,559
as well, where there's, for lack of a better word,

583
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,720
I just have to call it envy. Almost there's this

584
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,480
contempt for the boomers, the boomer screwed us over the boomers,

585
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,160
this and this, this, things that are fairly accurate, I'd say,

586
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,680
But at the same time, there's this they want to

587
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,799
be them. You know, deep down there's a lot of

588
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:36,200
people on the right whose main objection to the boomers

589
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:39,319
is that they weren't there. They want to live that

590
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:46,400
same basic lifestyle of consumption and indifference to tradition and

591
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,079
in difference to the things that actually hold society together.

592
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,319
And to me it's just just as problematic, like what

593
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:55,720
world do you want to rebuild? Do you want to

594
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,799
roll the rock, you know, twenty years back up the

595
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,680
hill where you can live like they did. You know,

596
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,759
I see this stuff all the time, where you'll have people,

597
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,319
you know, you can't afford to have kids these days,

598
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,519
you can't afford. And then you look at how he lives,

599
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:13,199
and he lives in some expensive blue city, you know,

600
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,199
people writing articles about we need a right wing nightlife.

601
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,760
And still how old are you? You know, if you

602
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,800
can afford to live there, and you can afford to

603
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,679
go out drinking it, you know, have kids, you know,

604
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,960
build a community, you know, stop being a boomer spiritually,

605
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:33,199
stop being a boomer. And it just bugs me when

606
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,079
I see that, because we're capable of so much more

607
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,679
than longing for that world. That was a very, very

608
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,400
contingent thing. You know, Boomerdom came into existence because of

609
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,400
the interplay of historical circumstances and had nothing to do

610
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,119
with the character of the people in it. They weren't

611
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,239
better or worse than us. They just happened to live

612
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,800
in times that were flush with cash, and they took

613
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,519
the opportunities they had and you know, like you said,

614
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,159
cashed out. You know, during the eighties and nineties, they

615
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,239
sold an industrial base it took one hundred years to

616
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,760
build that their ancestors built, not them, and sold it

617
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,800
to China and lived on the proceeds. And that that's

618
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,039
that's there, that's Reaganism. That's their contribution to that. And

619
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,519
I think, like I said, we can do better than that.

620
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,639
We need to get beyond that boomer fixation on I

621
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,159
want I want my money, I want this job, I

622
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,239
want this material circumstances. It's it's not to me it's

623
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,159
not us. I think that there is.

624
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 5: And you see this often in grievance politics. And this

625
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,800
is going to sound like a point made by uh

626
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,639
a sort of like very firm liberal is not how

627
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:47,159
I intended. Which you look at the the feminist and

628
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,000
you know, the feminist hates men, and yet everything in

629
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:53,440
their life is done in relation to men.

630
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

631
00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 5: In the kind of extremely uh shall we say uh

632
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:03,039
JQ pilled part of the right, you see a similar

633
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,559
thing where it's almost like Jews become this sort of

634
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:09,800
like you know, magic gnome, you know, where every problem

635
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,239
and these people are you know, superman. But similarly, I

636
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,559
think that there is a problem with you know, exclusive

637
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:21,079
focus on the boomer where it's almost like you become

638
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:26,400
their mirror image because of your opposition. And you know,

639
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,960
as Bowden said, right, the correct answer is to step over.

640
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,199
And so I think there's another element to this which

641
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:38,199
is not financial, which is the boomers are really the

642
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,599
only true believers in the post war consensus left that

643
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,440
they you know, grew up in the kind of heyday

644
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,559
of this secular state religion, and for them it is

645
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:50,800
alive and sacred in a way that it is not

646
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,519
for younger people, and so there are these sort of

647
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:59,639
ideological and conceptual limits placed on us because of that religion.

648
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,920
But the problem is is it could not replicate itself.

649
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,639
It was not you know, it was not a living cult,

650
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,920
so to speak, and so which with each subsequent generation

651
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,199
it's sort of degraded. And I think that there is

652
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,119
a danger in anti boomerism, which bears many of the

653
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:21,000
same the same kind of the same features just in reverse.

654
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:25,639
And while certainly many of those features are are not laudable,

655
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,559
are you know, things to avoid that The true answer

656
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:32,440
is not anti boomerism, It is a boomerism, right, completely

657
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,880
unrelated to actually that'll be the title of the episode,

658
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,440
a boomerism. But I think that I think that that

659
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:48,679
is a particularly on the right who by virtue of

660
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,519
you know, the nature of progressivism sort of occupies the

661
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,840
role of the second mover in any issue, you know,

662
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,960
and can be reactionary. Even that is ultimately a tactical mistake,

663
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,400
and you see a lot, uh, you know, Mike from

664
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,559
Imperium Press has done great work on this talking about liberalism,

665
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,920
where the solution is not to be you know, anti liberal,

666
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,480
but it is simply to not even consider that you

667
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:18,360
know worldview is as relevant, and I think that that

668
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,719
is perhaps that the enlightened sort of centrist path on

669
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,679
the boomer issue.

670
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,599
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I made the I said my essay.

671
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,239
I don't want to fight the system. Ultimately, I want

672
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,679
to ignore it, you know, I want to I want

673
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,559
to just be indifferent to it. I don't want to sit.

674
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:36,880
I mean when I say I don't want to fight it,

675
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,000
I don't mean like when I see injustice, I want

676
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,760
to do anything about it within my capacity. But ultimately

677
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,280
I want to live my life as much as I

678
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,039
can without reference to it. I don't want anything from them.

679
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,000
I don't want to owe them anything. I want to be.

680
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,159
I want to be postliberal in the truest sense. I

681
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,239
want to move beyond it. There's with the JQ, with feminism,

682
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,800
it's the same basic idea. Nobody is a recreational jpill taker.

683
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:07,320
You know, once you're jpilled, you're hopelessly addicted and it

684
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,599
becomes the center of your life. And just like Heroin,

685
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,519
it makes you completely unable to function because everything is

686
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,480
Jews control this, Jews control that, Jews run your life.

687
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,760
You can't accomplish anything because of jew juju ju juju.

688
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,599
I mean, it's it's insane, and it works the same

689
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,480
way with feminism. It's the same basic the patriarchy. I

690
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,800
can't benefit because when you start believing things like that,

691
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,000
you just rob yourself of any kind of agency, and

692
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,440
then you have to start rationalizing why other people are succeeds.

693
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:42,239
I've had people I know online who are right as

694
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,360
right wing as they come, and they're doing a little

695
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,440
better than somebody else on substack. And then the guy

696
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,800
they're doing better than incomes, he's working for the Jews.

697
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,519
He's compromised, and it just eats away at your ability

698
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:56,320
to form form unions with other people and benefit each

699
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:56,880
other and do it.

700
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 5: It's dumb, well, I will say, and uh, that is

701
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,440
that is true, but only in relation to me. Anyone

702
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:09,800
better than me, uh, is is an agent of the massade.

703
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,280
Anyone worse than me is just a loser who needs

704
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,000
to kill themselves.

705
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:14,599
Speaker 4: Uh.

706
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: You see this at the gym as well. Anyone bigger

707
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,280
than me is taking roids. Anyone smaller than me is lazy. Yeah,

708
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,199
you know, it's it is as far as I've as

709
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,679
far as I've done the research, ironclad reasoning. But sorry,

710
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,159
just a brief interjection.

711
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,559
Speaker 3: There absolutely, that's there's so much of that that you see,

712
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,440
which is why I just I just ignore those people

713
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,880
because they're just they're they're block them, they're they're they're horrible,

714
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,039
because they'll suck you into that. You know, it's just dumb.

715
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,599
You know. Is the system stacked against us? Yes? Can

716
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:51,519
we thrive despite that? Also? Yes, there are a million

717
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,440
examples of each. There are a million examples of white

718
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,559
men getting screwed over by the system, and there are

719
00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:00,199
a million examples of white men thriving despite that if

720
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,119
we focus on what we can do, right, I use

721
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,000
the example in my essay Peudie Pie. Right, I'm not

722
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:07,920
even a fan of video games. I don't follow this

723
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,840
stuff like that. This is a guy that carved out

724
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,880
a career for himself where any anybody on network TV

725
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,320
would give their right lung to have his kind of

726
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,119
audience and his kind of pull, you know. And then

727
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,159
the guy since retired and is living a trad life

728
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,000
in Japan with his wife and kids. You know, it's

729
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,920
like what a right wing fairy tale that all is.

730
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,719
You know, you can do it, you can get ahead,

731
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,920
you can you can make it without having to depend

732
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,599
on these people for status, and once you realize the

733
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,239
boomer myth is a myth, stop believing in it yourself.

734
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,760
Stop trying to live the way they did. Start trying

735
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,440
to find a new way to live, and best of all,

736
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,159
help other people. You know, get out of this mindset

737
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:50,440
where this guy's like you said, you know, if this

738
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,440
guy's doing better than me, it's because you know he's

739
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,320
he's worth the Jews, he's a fed, he's Get out

740
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,360
of that. Ask him how he did it. You know,

741
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,280
benefit each other, pull your resources, pull people up. You know,

742
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:06,639
I don't. I don't think I would honestly say what

743
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:13,440
popularity I have on substack is only partially because of

744
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,840
my writing. A lot of my popularity, I would say,

745
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,000
is just because I'm a prolific restacker and you know commenter,

746
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,679
and I do my best to like somebody post something,

747
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,599
I make sure if I'm going a chance to read it,

748
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,440
yet I restack it before I've read it, because I

749
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,519
know the guy and I know he solid. You know,

750
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,960
help people get their stuff out there. Do that. It's free.

751
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,920
There's so many ways we can help each other, and

752
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,639
so many ways we can encourage each other to have agency.

753
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,599
And not get sucked into this doomerism, the doumerism of boomerism,

754
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:46,039
as it were.

755
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 5: Well, and similarly, it's important to to bring up that,

756
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:57,719
you know, like let's take the maximally conspiratorial worldview, like

757
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,719
as an example, like say it, everything in that is true, right,

758
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,800
you know, it's the it's the David Iicke lizard people

759
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,159
all at once, you know, pick your poison it. It's like, well, okay, functionally,

760
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,400
if you know, you take that all to be true

761
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,920
and you are effectively frozen by that that nothing ever happens.

762
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,119
You know, everything is an op. Everything is a conspiracy,

763
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:21,639
and so I will simply do nothing or go out

764
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,440
to a compound in the woods. It's like, well, you're

765
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,559
politically neutralized. You might as well be dead functionally, like

766
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:31,199
they basically could have, you know, shot you and killed you,

767
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,800
and it would have ultimately the same result. And so

768
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,039
like again to your point, like there there are very

769
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,840
very real challenges, and there are very real ways in which,

770
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,360
you know, young white guys are dispossessed.

771
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:47,039
Speaker 3: But at a.

772
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,119
Speaker 5: Certain point, it's like you're kind of doing what they

773
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:53,079
want if you just completely opt out of everything. You know,

774
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,599
if you just simply decide to become a need because

775
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,159
you're done then and look like I get it. Like

776
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,039
times are tough, Believe me, I do. Right, As someone

777
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,760
with a mortgage that is way away higher than the

778
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,079
one my parents paid for a much nicer house, I

779
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,400
understand that. But at the same time, it's like you

780
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,199
in a certain sense, by letting letting them demoralize you,

781
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,960
whoever you consider to be them, they've basically won. Like

782
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,800
you're you're a dead man walking effectively, you've been shot,

783
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,119
you just haven't died yet. And again, right, we're primarily

784
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,639
interested in trend lines here, and so you know, even

785
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:43,599
a relative increase is positive. It is not winning. It

786
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,800
is not getting to you know, whatever based world is right,

787
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,320
pick your poison there, but ultimately right, like our enemies

788
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,760
wedged a very long war, you know, there was you know,

789
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,159
obviously the long March institutions, but in other ways, like

790
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:58,239
it took them quite a long time to get power.

791
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,719
And so you know what it is where you are

792
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,880
an enemy of the state. You know, you have decided

793
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,480
that you were a dissident. We've got to understand that

794
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,639
is a that is a long project. And even in

795
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:11,400
the past twenty thirty years, that project has gone very

796
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,559
very well. You know, I love talking to you guys

797
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,239
like the you know, the dearly departed z Man or

798
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,920
you know Thomas or other figures you know who've been around,

799
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,199
you know, kind of radical dissident circles for a long

800
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,360
time because they're very, very white pilt. And it's not

801
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,039
to say that these guys are blind to the very

802
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,760
real issues facing us in ours but it's to say, like,

803
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,079
look like, you know, twenty years ago you were a

804
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:41,920
really big deal if you had one hundred guys on

805
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,800
your mailing list. Very you're you're pretty active on substack,

806
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,840
but I feel like you can confirm one hundred subscribers

807
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,079
on substack is basically nothing. You can do that with one,

808
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,400
you know, moderately successful essay on a new account. And

809
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,760
so I think it's important to recognize, like, yeah, sure,

810
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,880
like material conditions for the sort of modal American have

811
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:08,519
gotten worse, your prospects have gotten worse. But in the

812
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:11,599
face of that, you have agency, and if you have decided,

813
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:13,360
as I have, as many of my listeners have, that

814
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,599
this system needs to be opposed, well, to be honest,

815
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,039
things are looking up from that perspective.

816
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,639
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I mean, I'll be so bold as

817
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:31,199
to say, despite the material conditions being what they are

818
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,719
and they're bad, I don't think there's ever been more opportunity,

819
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:43,840
more possibilities for a young white man in America. I

820
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,639
say that because, yes, it was possible to work at

821
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,760
the GM factory and buy a house back in nineteen

822
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,280
sixty without a high school diploma. That is true. But

823
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,679
it's also true that that was pretty much your only path.

824
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,599
You know, if you're the kind of guy who worked

825
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:05,159
at the GM plant and got a union job and

826
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,519
had the house and everything like that, that was pretty much

827
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,320
because that was your horizons. It wasn't like you had

828
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,480
the choice, well, maybe I'll be a podcaster, maybe I'll

829
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,079
be a creative writer, maybe I'll maybe I'll be a

830
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:19,679
live streamer, or maybe I'll work at the GM factory.

831
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,519
You worked at the GM factory because that's whatever Ben

832
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:23,719
in your town did, and that was it, you know,

833
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:26,519
And yeah, you had more material prosperity, but just in

834
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,360
terms of your cultural horizons and your opportunity to get

835
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:34,480
much more constraint versus now where you know your reindustrial

836
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,760
you can have a blue collar job and work on

837
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,480
an oil rig and have a sub stack, and in fact,

838
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:43,400
there are people who do that. You know, you don't

839
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,320
have to be Airic Coffer. You if I wanted to

840
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,320
be a movie producer, I want to make movies a producer.

841
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,760
I want to be a director. I want to I

842
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,840
want to make movies. In the nineteen sixties, that meant

843
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,840
go into Hollywood, and that meant, you know, dealing with

844
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,679
that system and everything like that, you can make a movie. Now.

845
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,039
I have more computing power or in my phone that

846
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,800
every computer on Earth put together when I was born.

847
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,440
You know, there's so many ways you can succeed now,

848
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:12,679
more so than people had in the past. And if

849
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,679
I think it's important to focus on that, because it

850
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,920
is really easy to say, I mean, I might me personally.

851
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:21,960
I could not afford to buy the house I grew

852
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,599
up in where my dad, without a high school diploma,

853
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:27,880
with a working class job, could buy it. That's true, right,

854
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,239
I don't have that ability. But at the same time,

855
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,400
I had so many more opportunities than my dad. My

856
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:37,159
dad couldn't dream of going to college and there in

857
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,920
the in the late sixties, when he was graduating high school,

858
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,760
my dad is a brilliant writer, but he never had

859
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,519
the opportunity to get anywhere. He never, you know, could

860
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,119
have started a sub stack and done all these things

861
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:51,920
like that I've done. So yeah, my material circumstances are

862
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,920
a bit diminished compared to his, but my opportunities to

863
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,519
be who I am are far more.

864
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 5: Just to kind of play Devil's advocate here, But what

865
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,360
would you react to someone who says, well, sure that's true,

866
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,800
but we can't have a nation of substackers, right, That

867
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,360
is not something everyone can do. And I am not

868
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,760
a writer, I am not interested in writing, and I

869
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,400
can't get you know, the sort of manufacturing job. What

870
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,320
would you say to you to that person?

871
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: So, when when my dad was a kid, there was

872
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,599
no robin Hood online app to invest in stocks. When

873
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,719
my dad was a kid, there was no three D

874
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,000
printing to make stuff in my house to sell online.

875
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:42,559
There was no eBay, there was no Pinterest, there was

876
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,679
no Etsy, There was no none of these outlets where

877
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:47,800
I could be my own businessman if I wanted to.

878
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,480
There was no Facebook marketplace to sell things on. There

879
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,760
were no YouTube videos to instruct me on how to

880
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,800
be a car mechanic or anything else where I could

881
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,000
learn these valuable skills. I mean, you don't have to

882
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,559
be a writer, you have to be a creative if

883
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,960
I just in terms of learning marketable skills, it's easier

884
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,119
to do now than it ever was.

885
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 5: I think that when I look at, you know, the

886
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:14,800
kind of serious right in America, I think that there

887
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,119
are sort of two concrete advantages we have as a group,

888
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,960
which is one an information advantage. We can predict things

889
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,320
and we know things that simply cannot be said in

890
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,400
other circles. But I think the other one is this

891
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:33,440
great untapped human resource, you know, that same process we

892
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:38,440
mentioned earlier. And I to me, this is the exciting

893
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,239
thing I see when I go to conferences and I

894
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,000
see people talking about the things that they are building,

895
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:46,280
right the businesses that they've started. At the Second Cascade

896
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,400
Frontier out in Portland. I can't remember his name, I should,

897
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,239
but it was it was a really interesting talk because

898
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,800
the guy was someone who basically, to you know, ape

899
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:01,360
the classic millennial phrase, did the thing like he moved

900
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,159
back to a small town, he started a construction business

901
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,360
and basically went about the process of becoming sort of

902
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,239
a local elite. And it was it was a really

903
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,719
interesting conversation for a couple of reasons. One because he

904
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,440
made very similar points to agency that you did, where

905
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,639
he basically said it's like all right, like let's just

906
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:21,840
do something and see what we can do. But equally,

907
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,119
it was it was a very realistic conversation because he

908
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:29,400
was talking about the fact that like it wasn't this

909
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,800
kind of like you know, maoist paradise of you know,

910
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,760
kind of a barrel tested yeoman just waiting for a job.

911
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,880
He was saying that I think he went through like

912
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,440
a one hundred employees in the first year, you know,

913
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,159
just cycling through because it was you know, it was

914
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,559
drug addiction, it was people he couldn't depend on. But

915
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,719
it was a really interesting conversation because the end of it,

916
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,599
he's like, well, no, I was able to build a company.

917
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,840
I was able to you know, sit on whatever the

918
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,000
town council, whatever it was called in a small town.

919
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,039
I was able to you know, employ gainfully four or

920
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:02,000
five you know, skill tradesman. And there was a particularly

921
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,599
interesting example because he was talking about, you know, one

922
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,679
of his guys, and this guy he employed twice the

923
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,840
first time. You know, there were a lot of problems

924
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,840
he ended up going to jail for you know, a

925
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,079
month or two on something minor, and he's like, what

926
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:17,199
I was able to do is I was able to

927
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,079
basically give this guy another shot. And now not only

928
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:23,400
is that a guy who you know, seemingly was spent

929
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,039
on ruining his life who's now a productive member of society,

930
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,760
but there's an immense amount of loyalty there because I

931
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,639
was the boss who basically said, like, all right, Bud,

932
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,239
you know, we start when you get back. And I

933
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,719
think that there's two lessons in that. One, you know,

934
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,239
the importance of agency and the importance of realizing that,

935
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,000
like you don't necessarily need to go through a pre

936
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:49,280
defined path, even if there are sunk costs, because look

937
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,280
like there are many people stuck in this situation, myself included,

938
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,559
who have paid a lot of money in time to

939
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:57,280
learn how to do something where they are not hirable. Right,

940
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,480
but at a certain point, right, it's like there was

941
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:06,079
agency there. And also, like you, there is an advantage

942
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,039
in reaching those sort of unreached people. Sure you might

943
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:12,880
have to cycle through one hundred people in two years

944
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,559
as he did. Sure you might have to, you know,

945
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,599
work harder than simply putting something up on you know,

946
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,159
indeed or whatever job for him. But also, like the

947
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things that we're you can sort of practice your own

948
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,360
patronage and secure for yourself loyalty that you maybe could

949
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not going through the kind of traditionally defined managerial paths

950
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or starting a business. Interesting point. I'll see if I

951
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,440
can remember who it was and maybe you know, link

952
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,320
his Twitter account down the description. But he's he was

953
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,840
an interesting fellow. It was a good it was a

954
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,679
good talk, and I think a good practical example of

955
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,119
what you and I are poking around here.

956
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: Yes, uh, I wrote a while back an article called

957
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,679
Chris Ruffo is right. You know when the whole Panda

958
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,800
Express thing came out or you posted you remember that

959
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,840
when posts the link to a job at pand Express

960
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,800
near his house or something. People, I'm not working at

961
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,199
pand Express. I get that. You know, it's a it's

962
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a job that you know is coded low status. Nobody

963
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:12,360
wants to work at pand Express. But I think the

964
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,119
general point he was making is very very applicable to

965
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kind of what we're talking about here. So when you

966
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:21,159
talk about the guys, the guys who are writing about

967
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:23,239
this problem, like who are on substack and access of

968
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,840
writing about this. These are not the sorts of people

969
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,800
who are going to go work at Panda Express. And

970
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that's why I think they kind of take offense to

971
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,239
that idea. They're not the guys who are going to

972
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start a construction company. They see themselves as intellectuals, and

973
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,719
they are. They're philosophers. They think about stuff, they want

974
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,199
to write all day. They don't want to work with

975
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their hands or trades ur stuff. But if you're talking

976
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if you're going to talk about white men or just

977
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,639
men in general, or people in general or whatever, you

978
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,440
have to accept that the vast majority of people are

979
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not creatives. They're not writers. They're not looking to express themselves.

980
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,960
They want something, a job where they can have agency

981
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,400
at things. And the you know, the online equivalent of

982
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,760
is being pilled, you know, being addicted to that. The reality,

983
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,159
the real life cognitive that is just being pilled, you know,

984
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,199
just being on oxy contin and stuff and ruining your life.

985
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,400
That's the ultimate expression of that doumerism and that that despair.

986
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And I think that if you're not one of these,

987
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if you're trying to construct a society that's going to

988
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benefit white people in general, and most white people are

989
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,559
going to be working people. Then you have to empower

990
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:28,679
those people who are going to run the local chick

991
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:30,679
fil A and the local business and things like that

992
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,599
to be able to do what they do because those

993
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:36,480
patronage networks, as you note, are an extremely powerful force

994
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:40,440
keeping communities together. You know the guy. The guy my

995
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:44,519
local chick fil A employs kids from the local high school,

996
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:48,519
from the local college, senior citizens. His chick fil a

997
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:52,079
is a third place in that in that sociological sense,

998
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,719
people old people meet there in the mornings and hang out.

999
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,719
People go there after church, people go there after their

1000
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,760
football games. It's this hub of community life outside of

1001
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,840
the hull. Yeah, it's a cheesy chain restaurant. The food

1002
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,840
ain't healthy and all that, but at the same time,

1003
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as a community institution, and if we're going to be

1004
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,760
serious about a rightist politics that benefits young white men,

1005
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,559
we have to address that aspect of it as well.

1006
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's something there, Brian. Unfortunately, it is

1007
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,960
the holidays, so I'm gonna have to wrap up sooner

1008
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,000
than later because I have a man. It's great having

1009
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,159
a large family and religious community, but man, it is

1010
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,039
it is hell on a podcaster and you know as

1011
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:34,559
really someone who you know. I think you know we're

1012
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:38,119
talking about different classes. Really, the heartbeat of America is

1013
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:44,480
the American podcaster. It's really an inappropriate level of social obligation.

1014
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:47,519
So I'm gonna have to tap out, man, But this

1015
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:50,920
is really fascinating. I'll be sure to link your substack

1016
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,719
in your Twitter in the description of this. But is

1017
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,519
there anywhere else where people can find you?

1018
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: Man? That's about it at the moment, unless you want

1019
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,960
to follow my rap career. But that's a different worry

1020
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:03,199
about that.

1021
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 5: The aspiring rapper to New York mayor seems to be

1022
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,159
a well traveled career path, so I am anticipating your

1023
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:14,679
your mayoral run.

1024
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: Aspiring rapper is the best way to get shot. That

1025
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,239
aspiring rapper auto fills like recently shot or worse, aspiring

1026
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,119
rapper turning his life around. That's just a death sentence.

1027
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,920
Aspiring rapper.

1028
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,599
Speaker 5: I think that's on the New York Post list of

1029
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:36,159
approved euphemisms. I'll maybe a little bit there.

1030
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,559
Speaker 3: The teen scholar rapper.

1031
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 5: Again, as far as my stuff, the Jay Burton Show, Apple,

1032
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,159
Spotify YouTube, this I guess will probably be the last

1033
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:51,760
or almost the last episode of the year, a year

1034
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,480
where I launched myself as a full time professional podcaster.

1035
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:58,320
I just wanted to extend to thank you. You guys

1036
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,320
have been wonderful, supporting enabling me. Really, I guess honestly

1037
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:06,440
like an overbearing mother or like a drug pusher to

1038
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,639
keep recording my thoughts on the internet. But in all seriousness, guys,

1039
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:12,159
I really do appreciate that your support means the world

1040
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,079
to me. What are you entitled to for your support?

1041
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,760
You get the episodes early in ad free. I know

1042
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,239
the ads are irritating, but it pays my mortgage, so sorry,

1043
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,440
is really the best I've got. But if that's annoying,

1044
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:28,519
throw me five bucks a month and for twenty cents

1045
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:32,360
an episode, which is not bad on substack, Patreon or

1046
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,159
gum Road. You get in without those ads again, Librarian,

1047
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:38,239
thanks so much for coming out, man, thanks for having

1048
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:41,360
me to everyone to know them. Keep your head up.

1049
00:58:41,519 --> 00:59:05,840
The lie can't last forever. Good night, that's not put

1050
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