WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.039 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. 5 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.519 This episode, we got an exciting guest, somebody that I 6 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:32.560 booked a few weeks ago and I've been looking forward 7 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:36.560 to it ever since then. But before we introduce Michael Wan, 8 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:38.560 we're going to introduce the rest of the rejects with 9 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.280 us tonight. And today we got Heidi Love the Mormon Slayer. 10 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:43.079 What is going on? 11 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:43.520 How are you? 12 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:46.719 I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me 13 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.119 much love to all the rejects. Thank you so much 14 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.640 for having me on with Michael Wan. I've been looking 15 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:52.840 forward to this a bunch. 16 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.079 Yes, thank you very much for joining us. And we 17 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:58.079 got Ricardo. What is going on? 18 00:00:58.159 --> 00:00:58.359 Sir? 19 00:00:58.479 --> 00:00:59.320 How are you today? 20 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.240 Good evening? Thank you for having me. Excited to hear 21 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:04.120 from Make one. 22 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:10.640 Yes, would you like to plug your stuff? Sir? Sure? 23 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.120 Sure, Sorry. I was closing YouTube because I'm hearing myself 24 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.959 and I was trying to figure out what's going on here. 25 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:18.959 That's happened to me before, and then my mixer picks up. 26 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:19.959 It's a total mess. 27 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.079 So my name is Cavar. 28 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:26.239 I'm multi disciplinary researcher, and I work with Institute for 29 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.040 Natural Philosophy. So I suggest everyone to go into Institute 30 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.000 for Natural Philosophy dot org. You'll find out magazine Pharaohs, 31 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:35.719 You'll find sites where you can go and contact us 32 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:38.840 if you want to participate in something, if you have ideas, whatever, 33 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:40.000 just let us know. 34 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.079 Thank you, awesome, thank you very much. I appreciate it. 35 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.280 Before we bring on the guests, I do want to 36 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.280 measure a Hellish Giant might be joining us. I'm not 37 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.359 gonna haven't plugged your show when he does, so I'll 38 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:53.200 do that now just in case Hellless does show up. 39 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:55.280 Check out the Hellish Giant podcast and. 40 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:58.480 If you got any weird paranormal or stories or whatever 41 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.120 that you want to share that we read on Thursday nights, 42 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.959 send it to Healla Giant Podcast at gmail dot com. 43 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:07.040 I think that's it, so send it to there and 44 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:08.840 we'll read your story on a Thursday night. Or you 45 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.439 could just d m him on Twitter or Instagram and 46 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:15.159 let him know what's up. And finally, now to Mike, sir, 47 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:19.840 what is going on? I'll try to Susquanna Alchemy. I 48 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.840 probably fucked it up again, but that's. 49 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:23.360 Perfect all right. 50 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:23.800 Thank you. 51 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.159 In fact, I'm gonna start calling it that. It's it's music, 52 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:28.919 it's music with these ears. 53 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:31.400 Thank you. 54 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:35.560 So please let everybody know where they can find all 55 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.479 your amazing work and what and what do you deal is? 56 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:37.759 Please? 57 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.520 Well how about this, I'll go and I'll talk and 58 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:44.840 if anyone wants if they like what they hear, they'll 59 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:45.759 have to listen to the end. 60 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.680 And that way they'll find out where they could get me. 61 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.039 I like that. That's something different. I've never had to 62 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:51.400 guess say that before. I like that. 63 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:55.919 Can I just like jump right in and and you've 64 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:57.520 got me like on the edge of my seat. So 65 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.199 you said, like, if anyone wants to go and share 66 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.080 like a strange cultic story, send it to me at 67 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.400 this email address. And I want to tell you my story. 68 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.199 I want to type it up. I just want to 69 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:09.039 tell you right here. Because I was thinking, like has 70 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:14.000 listened to the introductions, I was like, I live underneath it, 71 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:15.000 I live under a rock. 72 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:16.599 I've never heard of your show before. 73 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:19.199 I haven't heard of anyone shows, but I love the name, 74 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:20.919 and so I just liked the name. 75 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:22.520 I'm like, yeah, I want to come on the show. 76 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.960 And as I was listening to introductions, I'm like, am 77 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:28.599 I I don't even know exactly the depth of what 78 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.680 a cult rejects means, but I'm like, I'm in a 79 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.800 cult reject and so that's what my story is for you, 80 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:36.400 and I'll try to keep it brief. 81 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:37.759 No, no, go for it. 82 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.199 The very information, the very information which we're probably going 83 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:47.639 to talk about a little bit. Literally on my fiftieth 84 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.080 birthday and there was a solar eclipse. So my fiftieth birthday, 85 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.319 I get an email. I get an email and it's like, 86 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:59.319 dear Mike Wang, I know you work. I'm such and such. 87 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.400 I'm a thirty three degree Freemason. I'm part of this 88 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:08.159 this particular lodge, and I also run this like sub 89 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:14.479 freemason group where we like to like really delve down into. 90 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.560 Esoter topics, probably like a specific thing right. 91 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:27.360 Focus you to come and present at our quarterly meeting. 92 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:29.480 Not anything like this. 93 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.439 And I'm not in any clubs, if anything, like the 94 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.600 clubs are the bad guys of my stories. But it's 95 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:38.839 on my fiftieth birthday and there is a solar clips 96 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:39.240 and I'm. 97 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.319 Like, all this sort of stuff meant to be. 98 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.160 So I don't know if you're familiar with any of 99 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.759 my work. But how I like to do research, It's 100 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.519 a gonzo research. Like my life, my actual life experiences 101 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:58.399 are is integrated in the research as research itself because 102 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.639 that's the only thing I can know which isn't bold shit, right, 103 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.560 because I've lived in so a lot of my research 104 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:09.480 though it does deal with like like unexplainable things that 105 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.279 look real fishy. I talk a lot of bit about 106 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:17.079 ritual sacrifice and and long and short of it, like 107 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:22.360 there this invitation lined up on seven different levels of 108 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:24.959 the ritual sacrifice presentation. 109 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:26.800 I gave on Kobe Bryant. 110 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:31.680 Oh, like like the day, like there were seven levels. 111 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:33.480 I won't go down those details if you want to, 112 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:37.480 I will, but like, like I had enough stuff inside. 113 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.240 Where I'm like, fuck, if if. 114 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.720 There really are doing ritual sacrifice, this is what an 115 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.279 invitation would look like. And I had to sit with 116 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:50.240 myself for like three weeks because it was like six 117 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:54.120 weeks in advanced the invitation, and I was like, do 118 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.360 I really think they're gonna kill me? Do I really 119 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.560 think they're going to invite me there? Because all of 120 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:00.800 the signs were there, which I say, look, there's the 121 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:04.680 signs of the ritual sacrifice and it's like, so I 122 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.800 still with it for three weeks, and then at the 123 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:08.319 end of it, I'm like, of course I'm going to go. 124 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:11.959 And do this, but I kind of take your friends. 125 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.399 I took a buddy system. 126 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.079 Totally, like you know, a little bit like milking it. 127 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.319 Like part of it's like it's a fun drama, and 128 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:22.240 part of it's like, but this is really happening, and 129 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.199 all this stuff I'm telling my inner circle and they're like, 130 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:26.040 we're gonna come with you. 131 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:28.839 Lily would take them. 132 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:30.439 Three people who came and hit. 133 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.839 It was in the back of a restaurant outside of Philadelphia, 134 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.639 and I had three people in the in the front 135 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:42.160 who are like there for my protection. So long and 136 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.399 short of it, it was I go and I give 137 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.519 this presentation. And they were like just like an immensely 138 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.079 like uh like graceful group. 139 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:51.240 The guy and that was great. 140 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.759 Like all of my images of what I thought I 141 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.920 was stepping into it didn't happen. They're more interested in 142 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.839 like the drinks than what I was presenting. And so 143 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:05.199 at the end of the presentation, I flipped the script 144 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:05.639 on him. 145 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:06.439 I'm still up on. 146 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:09.439 Stage and I'm like, and I call it the guy 147 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:10.360 who like heads it. 148 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:11.759 And I asked him. 149 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.439 In front of everyone, I'm like, did you realize that 150 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:19.120 today was the day of Kobe Bryant the anniversary of 151 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.160 Kobe Bryant's stath or something like that. He's like, no, 152 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.000 They're all drunk. And then everyone's like, what are you 153 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.959 talking about. I'm like, do I have any reason to 154 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.040 believe that me or anyone in my family is in 155 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.199 any sort of dire situation? 156 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:36.240 Or does anyone here wish to cause me harm? We 157 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.560 will even tell you if we did. They're all laughing. 158 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:41.160 And I said to him and I was like, of 159 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:42.959 course you didn't. And I say to. 160 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:44.920 Him in front of like like just filled with hubbers, 161 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.199 Like I'm just filled with myself. I'm like, it's because 162 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:53.439 because you, your organization, gentlemen, are the ultimate symbol in 163 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.199 our society of initiation, and I just stepped through an 164 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:01.360 initiation with life and you are my witness. And I 165 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.199 give a big bow and I walk up and I'm 166 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:08.000 like thinking all this great stuff about myself. The very 167 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.399 next day, my entire life like everything fell out from underneath, 168 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.839 like I got to move out of my house, like 169 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:21.920 the relationship falls apart immediately, like everything goes like that. 170 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.040 And I've and it started this three and a half 171 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.199 Like I guess it's about three and a half years now, 172 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:34.519 this journey of like who like living life in a 173 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:38.080 way I had never lived before, where I had the 174 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:43.080 opportunity to really feel what it's like to live at 175 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:48.240 that that liminal space like between between, like is it 176 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.159 all going to fall apart? Or is there something here 177 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.000 which is going to support me? Like living like a 178 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:56.159 like a life from a mythic lens versus like the 179 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:57.080 very mundane. 180 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.559 It's like you don't have You're just floating. 181 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.480 Around, don't even know where you're going on the whole. 182 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:06.000 Time, I was so beautifully supported, like like the stories. 183 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:08.080 I mean you could see the background of this house, 184 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.519 like I live like a millionaire and I was, and 185 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:13.399 I have like one hundred bucks to my name. But 186 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:17.320 I'm demonstrating something to myself. So let me circle this back. 187 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.399 This is this period of time in my life, like 188 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:25.679 that three year period I feel has come to its completion, 189 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:28.960 like right now. That's why I said, like the timing 190 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.000 of your invitation was so perfect because I feel like 191 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.559 I'm ready to move out of what these three years 192 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.679 has been. But in my mind, when I think of 193 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.600 what was that threshold, what was I kicked out of? 194 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:45.559 Because that's what happened to me. I was rejected. I 195 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.480 was like kicked out of the system. It was at 196 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.799 that event of presenting this information to this illustrious group 197 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:55.080 of freemosonic gentlemen. 198 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.559 Wow, a lot of them. 199 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.559 I mean, I guess maybe it will kill you, but 200 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:04.480 that's rebirth right. 201 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:05.360 That is interesting. 202 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.799 I mean, I guess that was kind of initiatory. I 203 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:11.879 was like, you know, I'm not knocking it. It just said, 204 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.720 you know, maybe you don't you don't know this. Like 205 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.600 I years ago, I was in the OTO and like 206 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.799 I and other people put did lectures on certain topics. 207 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:22.960 They probably do one once a month where they'd actually 208 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.240 do a presentation of a computer and a PowerPoint and 209 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:28.200 it's just funny, like I know what's actually going on, 210 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:29.480 and like it's open. 211 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:30.679 To the public for five to ten dollars. You can 212 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:31.360 even come and see it. 213 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.720 But it's just like hearing somebody else's thoughts of like 214 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:35.480 what's really going on in there when it's just like. 215 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.679 A bunch of nerds geeking out on one topic and 216 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.360 you're like, what the fuck are they gonna kill me? 217 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.679 I'm just like, those motherfuckers are afraid of their own shadow. 218 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:47.360 I'm like, it's just funny to hear somebody else's perspective. 219 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.559 Who's like, it's just that had be died. But I 220 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.480 can understand it. Definitely seems like you might have. 221 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:52.039 I don't know. 222 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.320 That is weird though all that happened, it does seem 223 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:57.039 very almost initiatory, where you kind of lose everything and 224 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:58.159 have to start all over again. 225 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:03.360 That is interesting from from from the way I approached life. 226 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.240 It was it was the most changible initiatory experience. It 227 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.559 was like, what I said in front of the on 228 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.840 that stage is one hundred percent authentic in terms of 229 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:13.919 how I meet reality. 230 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:15.679 Yeah, like, this. 231 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.720 Doesn't make any sense to you guys, but you guys aren't. 232 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:21.320 Aren't who's looking back at me in the mirror at 233 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:21.960 the end of the day. 234 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.320 Yeah yeah, that is interesting though. 235 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.120 That is wild that you must have been onto something 236 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:28.480 though what they asked you to come there. 237 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:31.879 Well, hopefully we'll see that today. 238 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:33.720 Yeah. Yeah, no, that is really interesting. 239 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.919 I'm wondering if you were even bringing up like certain 240 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.559 history that they even acknowledge that most people don't even 241 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.240 pick up on it. There wasn't even to bad mount them. 242 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:43.360 It's just like this guy actually has his history though 243 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:47.799 you never know. Uh well, I just find it interesting 244 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:49.440 that they asked you you had to have had something 245 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:50.080 of value with it. 246 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.240 Oh yeah, it certainly is like Ricardo said something which 247 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:59.399 a little bit earlier, which which has been my like 248 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.879 how I how I went through this entire process of 249 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.559 like maybe whatever the information we're going to share is, 250 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:06.639 and it's like I'm just. 251 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:07.919 Looking for contradictions. 252 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.039 I'm like any place I could find a contradiction, Like 253 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.159 I'm going to go deeper. Where can I go where 254 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.879 there's no contradiction, and then following that path like that's 255 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:21.080 what we got, and being willing to not come to 256 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:25.879 a conclusion, but just recognizing like truth which is in 257 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.000 front of you, what which is like implied, and one 258 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.240 which is like, well it's a mystery, but it's real. 259 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.679 So so yeah, that's that's what we'll cover, or at 260 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:40.120 least the angle which I'll approach it and present it by. 261 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:41.320 Oh you know what, I just want to ask you 262 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:43.799 real quick, weird question. You may not notice It'll remember 263 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:45.919 when you were there, did anybody patch you or slap 264 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:47.960 you anywhere, like really like light enough just to get 265 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:48.440 your attention. 266 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.039 I don't remember, maybe because. 267 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.480 In initiations, this is something that I learned in the Oto, 268 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:56.639 because after you do an initiation, they do a class. 269 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:58.840 There's a time where like they slap, like there's a 270 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.679 time where they take a sword in the actually slightly 271 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:03.399 tap you in your waist. Afterwards, I're telling you we 272 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.720 did that to accravate you, to activate your chakra. Right so, 273 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.080 literally after that you take the initiation, they're telling you 274 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.240 that we actually did certain things. It's like, wow, okay, 275 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.399 so I'm just wondering if maybe that happened it was 276 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.600 just a thought, it was just the. 277 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:23.399 Well, there is that angle of this natural initiation, right. 278 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:26.960 So in Elucinian mysteries and things like that, they have 279 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:31.600 the idea that maybe you're being put into these situations 280 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:33.080 by the gods as a test. 281 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.799 You know, this is initiating you to the next level. 282 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.279 And in life you see that same sort of thing 283 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:40.480 happening again and again. 284 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.000 It's life is trying. 285 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.320 To activate that chakra, you know, it's trying to say, hey, 286 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.399 look around, this is something something is happening you know, 287 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:50.080 pay attention. 288 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.039 Yeah, that's what I mean by with the the gonzo 289 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:57.960 research is for me at least, like if it's just 290 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.039 like reading facts and learning like that seems to defeat 291 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:05.639 the purpose of being alive in a body, Like we're 292 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:10.240 meant to experience life, but maybe have we learn things 293 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.120 to have a perspective of what it is we're experiencing, 294 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:15.559 because I mean, I can only speak for myself. I've 295 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:17.759 got no idea what this place is. I mean, I 296 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:19.919 know they tell me it is, but I don't know that. 297 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.639 It's just a ride, Yeah, a ride on what I hold. 298 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.159 That is, Like, that's a question I can't answer. So 299 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.679 if I can't answer that question, like anything which is 300 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.159 based upon the assumption that I know that answer, like 301 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:36.759 that falls apart. That would be a contradiction for me. 302 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.399 It's like, well, what I do know is I'm alive 303 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.159 and I do know that, like you know this, there's 304 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:43.320 an experience. 305 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:44.759 In my life. This is with a body, and it's 306 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:46.039 solid beneath my feet. 307 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.840 I can see the stuff upstairs, but I really don't 308 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.799 know anything for certain, like other than that what I 309 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:58.320 can track. So but that's been the internal compass, which 310 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:02.720 like all of this stuff kind of came about, all. 311 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:04.759 Right, So this present is the presentation that you did 312 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:06.120 that kind of what you're going to be talking about 313 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.080 here too, the same thing. Definitely, oh awesome, all right, 314 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.159 So if you want to, I guess here's the first line, 315 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:11.679 let me work. 316 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:13.519 So I gave a little bit of the context of 317 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.679 how I'd like to present this, which is like I come. 318 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.960 I come with the perspective like the stuff that's a 319 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.120 mystery I don't think I'm going to be able to solve, 320 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.840 and I accept the mystery. So I'm looking at this 321 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.759 for as real as it can be, for where I 322 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:32.240 can't make it fall apart, and I recognize where it's 323 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:38.399 coming from. And then that's this research began ten years ago. 324 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.080 And so when I said that I'm coming back, I'm 325 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.639 revisiting this research which I started so long ago, but 326 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:53.039 coupled with everything which I personally learned experience concluded on 327 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:57.200 this three and a half your journey. And it's not 328 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.240 to say that this is truth. This is meant to 329 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.840 say that these are the conclusions I've reached. So this 330 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.240 is how I've come to it through actual experience, and 331 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:13.480 it's an invitation like this either speaks to someone or 332 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.600 it doesn't. They hear it's whisper or they don't. And 333 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.480 so this is one part what I call the Susquehanna Codex, 334 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:28.320 is one part of like a three pieces that go together. 335 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.679 But I figured that that's the most tangible to work 336 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:38.559 with the other two being natural astrology versus you know, 337 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:40.679 it's more like astramony, is what I would call it. 338 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.039 The other one has to do with like inner work 339 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.360 sort of things. But the three of them going together, 340 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:51.159 and the reason why the Susquehanna Codex is so interesting, 341 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.159 and I'll just start it with this one kind of 342 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:56.279 tidbit when we can go into it, is what we 343 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.480 find on this, you know whatever. 344 00:16:58.519 --> 00:16:59.039 This is. 345 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.720 What we are told by the system that indoctrinates us. 346 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.039 This is the oldest river or if not the oldest 347 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:10.519 river like you know, in that very very rare air, 348 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.799 it's definitely the oldest river system on the planet. And 349 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:18.440 it's where the information age, like the technological age that 350 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.640 we are living in right now, that seemingly came out 351 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:23.960 of the blue in nineteen forty five and so forth, 352 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:29.160 like this is where myth and history and geology and 353 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.240 all sorts of different things they meet right there. So 354 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.119 one of the ways which they date rivers is by 355 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:40.200 looking at a river's relationship with a mountain chain. If 356 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:43.440 there's a relationship where rivers and mountains meet, if the 357 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:47.599 river goes through the mountain chain like almost kind of perpendicular, 358 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.519 it predates the mountains, and if it goes around it, 359 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:52.759 it comes after the mountains. 360 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.000 Because water takes the path of least resistance. 361 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.960 So the Amazon does that with the Andes for example, 362 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:01.559 like hits the Andes and like turns left. This river 363 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:05.119 right here goes through the appalations, and so the appllations 364 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:08.559 are generally thought of through all sorts of like mineral 365 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.960 dating stuff, and like the squattiness of the appalations to 366 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:16.680 be one, if not one of the oldest mountain chains 367 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.640 that's on the Earth. And then this river goes through 368 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:25.799 through that mountain chain. Okay, So like stuff like that 369 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:31.279 and mineral content. My personal opinion is this, when I 370 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:35.680 share this information, I'm using the information that the system 371 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:37.599 gives me, Like I don't know that, but this is 372 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.640 the information they give me. Sure, because at the end 373 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:42.440 of the day, I don't even know if there was 374 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.559 like one hundred years ago like I'm just like open 375 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.680 enough to like I'm not. I'm only grounded on what 376 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:51.359 they're telling me. But what I'm really grounded on is 377 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.359 like I don't know, but I'll build on what they 378 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:53.759 told me. 379 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:55.880 Sure, of course you have to have a basis, and 380 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:56.799 they are doing the work. 381 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.240 Yes, they're the experts. 382 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.680 That's so they tell me that, and they also tell 383 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.160 me or actually I know this from experience. 384 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.640 I know that in this realm, hierarchy matters. 385 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:13.039 And what I mean by that is that which is 386 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:17.119 oldest has influence on what comes after it. And we 387 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:21.400 can see that from everything like your own lived experiences, 388 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:23.519 like you know, your first seven years of your life 389 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:27.960 set up your psychological frame for everything else. Or in 390 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.359 traditional communities where the person who's lived the longest is 391 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:36.440 most influential, the oldest tree has a a memory and 392 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.920 an influence in that forested area that no other tree does. 393 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:42.519 Like there's a there's a hierarchy truth, like, there's a 394 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.680 lot of ways we can look at it. So that's 395 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.759 kind of like where the the the oldest river is 396 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:54.599 to me, this is all like in invitation, an invitation 397 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:56.160 like can I listen? 398 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:56.559 Can I? 399 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:57.160 Can I? 400 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.519 Can I listen a little bit closer, like what are 401 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.799