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Speaker 1: What. It's my pleasure to welcome back to our podcast

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this week. It is the former w BO Junior Midaway

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Champion of the World, Kim Zoo and Tim. You are

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here in United States training for fighting you'll have back

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home in Australia. I'll tell our listeners what you and

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our viewers on YouTube what you've got coming up. You'll

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be fighting a ten rounder, You'll be at one hundred

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and fifty seven pounds, a little bit over your normal

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weight in Wallongong, Australia. In your home country April fourth

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in the United States where we can watch it Saturday

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night on Prime Video Sunday Easter Sunday, April fifth in

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Australia where the fight will take place. So welcome to

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the show and I'm glad to talk to you. We

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got a lot to get into, don't we.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You bet so. Your opponent for this particular fight that

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you've got come up is going to be Dennis Nursia,

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twenty zero fighter. But the idea here, I think and

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everybody that's been following your career sort of understands that

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you got to take care of the business. That's always

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the case when you have a guy in front of you.

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But there's big plans potentially after that. But before we

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get into all that, I want to I want to

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I haven't talked to you since the fight you had

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last summer against the Bashan Fundora, your rematch. I don't

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want to bring up bad memories, but I got to

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ask you about that particular situation. Had the rematch, you

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challenge him for the WBC Junior Middleway title. You fought

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really well against him in a very close loss in

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the first time you met in twenty twenty four. I

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think most folks frankly chalked that loss up to the

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severe cut that you suffered on your on your on

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your scalp in the early part of that fight, you

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were covered with blood. Still a great fight, still a

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really close fight. And then you have the rematch, you know,

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a little bit later, and it was totally a different situation.

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He won pretty handily, knocked you down in the first round,

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and in the end it seemed like you just couldn't

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handle it, and you know, you and your team you

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stopped to fight on this tool after the seventh round.

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How shocking was that ending given how how competitive the

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first fight was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Thundora came to the relentless

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game plan that I wasn't able to adapt. I sort

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of stuck by it. You know, I was knocked down

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in the first round, but yeah, it sort of shoot

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me for a bit. The next couple of rounds, I

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wasn't going to plan. And then I started sort of

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touching him up that watching him back to fight. That

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last round that we had, I sort of started hitting him,

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started hitting him with big shots, and I could see

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he was rocking. He was he I think his nose

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was bleeding. But at the end of the round, man,

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he got me. When I was in the when I

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was in the corner, he got me, and I was concussed.

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I was concasted and I was I sort of didn't

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know where I was. It was the last five seconds

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of the round. I sort of it was just like

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bomb I got hit and I was like, what the

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hell is going on? Like I didn't even sit down,

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I was. I was just I was dazed. I was

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dazed and I didn't know. I didn't understan what was happening,

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so I sort of want to sat down. My coach

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sort of started talking to me. I wasn't reacting. I

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wasn't reacting. I was just just yeah, I was just there.

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But yeah, I think Funder came with the right game plan.

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I came in with the wrong one. I started moving

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and I'm not Things didn't go according to plan, but

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Speaker 2: Learned from our mistakes.

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Speaker 3: I'm amendo takes on any challenge that's out there, and

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we move on and we get better and we adapt.

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Speaker 1: So you did come back after that fight. You went

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back home to as show you where you hadn't fought

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for a bit. You scored a shutout decision against Anthony

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Velaska as an American fighter, he was taking a really

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big step up in competition. You got in ten very

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solid rounds and after that was over with, you know,

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you got back on the winning track. In February of

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this year, myself and a lot of others reported about

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the prospect and the discussions and negotiations and talks, however

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you want to describe it between your camp, PBC, TGB

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Promotions and Aerol Spence about a possible fight that was

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being sort of earmarked for June also in Australia. Uh

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Spence of course, a very big name, former unified wealthyweight

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world champion. When when when you took the fight with

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Alaska's was that in your mind that maybe you would

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get that big fight or was it just a matter

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of I want to get back in the ring and

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then we'll see what happens after that.

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I didn't know. I wasn't aware of anything.

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I'll be honest with them. It sort of took me

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by surprise because I thought, all right, I changed a

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lot of things up in my life and my career.

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So I had to come here in Miami now completely

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in a different environment than what it was previously, so

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I was like, all right, it's gonna take a bit

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of time. That's all right. We're gonna stay patient. But

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I know, I know, I know what I possessed. I

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can't dog it out. I'm gonna dog out there sometimes,

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but I don't need to show my bravery at times.

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I can shad my my my i Q and my

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intelligence in the ring. So I need to bring that out.

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And then post fight, I heard about the news. The

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news came to me and and talk. I was like,

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Speaker 1: You like the idea of that fight.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course.

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Speaker 3: I'll definitely welcome it. It's definitely very appealing. Uh startistically,

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it's a very fun fight for for fans to watch

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because you don't know which way could go.

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Speaker 1: So then makes me think about it like that. So

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you you got in the ten rounds against Alaskaz that

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was in December. If you win the fight that you

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have coming up, the fight against Bence supposedly would be

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in the summer Jewish time frame. And so I have

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to say, I I've seen so many things go wrong

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when big fights get planned, and certainly a match being

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Tim Zuo and Arrow Spence is a pretty big, pretty

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big fight. It seems to me that why why take

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the gamble with the with the sort of tune up

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fight against Lergia. He's not a champion, it's not a

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big name. You never know what can happen when the

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bell rings, as you have found out in your own career.

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And I wonder to myself, why risks such a big

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fight with Errol Spence for no reason when you have

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been acting. It's not like you've been off for years

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and you need to shake off for us if anybody

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would be doing that, you think it might be Erol

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Spence who's been out of the ring for quite a bit,

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Speaker 2: One of things?

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Speaker 3: Really think it's a chune up? You know, the guy's

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twenty and no he's not a he's not a bomb

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out there. So he's a good boxer.

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Speaker 1: Point that compared to the caliber name of a former

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champion like Sence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, look good question.

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Speaker 3: It's it's what's in me, you know, I'm in I'm

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here in Miami doing doing another training camp with a

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with Pete Das and your coach. So we're just getting

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started with things. We're learning off each other, so I'm

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able to present something new and that's the main thing

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I feel like with activity is where growth happens. You know,

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another training camp, when people start resting, that's when you

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start slacking off. You know, you always got to be ready.

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Speaker 2: And that's what it is for me.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about resting necessarily. I was thinking about

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you can still train with a trainer and and get

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to know each other and and the way that he

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does things and likewise him for you without actually taking

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the actual fight now. I'll be honest. I I looked

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at that and I'm like, he's taking a fight before

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a Spens fight. I said to some people involved with

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the negotiations that he's crazy. M hmm, what do you

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think about it? I mean, many things go wrong, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, but look, this is this is

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what we risk. Man.

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Speaker 3: I've always always present the toughest challenges out there. So

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bring it on, man, It's all good for me.

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Speaker 1: And I do understand your point though about wanting to

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get another training camp under your belt with Pedro. You know,

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as you guys can tinue to mesh together. You know,

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I've heard different fighters through the year say sometimes it

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takes you know, it takes a few fights to get

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really on the same pageable with the trainer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course comfortable.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like things are going well with you and Pedro.

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My question about that, though, was how difficult was it

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before you went on with Pedro to break up with

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your uncle Igor, who had been your trainer pretty much

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your entire career as far as I know, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Was super hot. It was super hot.

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Speaker 3: Some some hot decisions in my family, right, Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 2: He understood I needed to get out of Australia. I needed.

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Speaker 3: Look, I've always trimmed about fighting and training here in

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the United States, and this is this is what boxing

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is at, you know. So for me, I wanted to

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to come here, train and bee surrounded by American boxing,

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you know, and and and that's.

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Speaker 2: What it was for me.

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Speaker 1: And so now you go into the fight with Nrgia.

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You mentioned his record. He's twenty zero uh, an Albanian fighter.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have heard a lot of fighters him.

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I've been doing this a long time, and I must say,

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when I saw the announcement from your team that this

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would be the opponent you were facing in this fight,

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I had never heard of him. Went I looked him up,

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and I looked at the record, and yeah, you mentioned

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he's got a spotless record. It's it's looks real nice.

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It's really you know, you don't recognize anybody on his uh,

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on his record. So what is it about him that

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you think he brings to the table or what do

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you hope to gain from the fight. Other than like

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you were saying in another training camp with Pedro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the hardest, the best, the hardest thing

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for me is that this is he's this is he's

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make or break fought. This is the biggest opportunity. You know,

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sometimes it's it's it's hot, and when people come to

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this top of level, they sort of rise by fifty

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Speaker 2: So that's what it is for me.

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Speaker 3: But for me, it's more about just getting in the groove,

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working on things that have that have been working on it,

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Speaker 1: All right, So now what about Spence? I mean, if

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you know you're supposed to win this fight. Obviously we

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know anything can happen in boxing, but you're supposed to

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win that would I know the deal has not done

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yet as far as I know, as far as your

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team and and the Spence side getting everything wrapped up,

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but it feels like that's what's gonna happen at some

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point in the near future. What are your thoughts about

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Errol Spence. He's been a top pound for pound guy

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for a long time. He'd unified three the titles at welterweight.

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He would be moving up that weight to fight you

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at junior middleweight. He also hasn't thoughts In July twenty

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twenty three, as I mentioned, if anybody would need to

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tune up, it might be Errol Spence. Last time he

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was in the rank, Terrence Crawford demolished him when they

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met for the undisputed title, but he's still got a

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big name. Tell me your thoughts about that matchup if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think it's intriguing the fact that what

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he's achieved future whole of fame already right there. But

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a lot of question marks, a little question marks, answer

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answers the NATed. So it's an intriguing match between two

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different stalls. You know, starts technically, how it's going to

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play out, It's going to be a splash, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I have to think with the caliber of his name

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and his accomplishment, you combine that with the things you've done,

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and you're popular already at home. And if this fight

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takes place in Australia, as the people in negotiating and

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say it would be, can it probably be one of

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the bigger fights in recent Australian history. And there's been

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a lot of fights in Australia over the last several years.

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How big of a deal do you think it would

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be for your for your people?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for Australia it's it's it's going to

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be history making top things.

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Speaker 2: This top of caliber fight. You don't hear about it,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: I remember when Pakil and versus Horn that was massive,

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fifty plus in a stadium, So I think we're talking

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to the top those tope of numbers and to experience

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something like that, No many fighters get to do that,

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get to feel that type of feelings before. So that's

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what it is for me.

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Speaker 1: Now in your weight class, junior midway, there is a

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fight coming up in March twenty eighth for your old rival,

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Sebastian Vndora. He's going to defend the WBC belt against

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Keith Thurman, who you were actually on course to fight

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when you both took fights in Australia and you both

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won them by knockout, and when that was all done,

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you ended up taking the fundor rematching, didn't take the

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Thurmon fight. Could you tell me a little bit like

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why everybody was so hyped up for Thermon fight. Everybody

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was talking that was what was gonna be next? You

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commentated on his fight. You know, he went to your

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country and talked a lot of shit and it didn't

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end up happening. You took the Fundor fight.

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Speaker 2: What was it?

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Speaker 1: Why didn't the the Therman fight happen?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: House presented with the with the rematch that I couldn't refuse,

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you know, because one of one of those things that

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I that I really wanted to get back and relieve again.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's that's the decision that I'm maing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know you're obviously very familiar. Haven't had two

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fights with Fndora, And even though you didn't fight tith Thurman,

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you commentated on his fight. I'm sure you studied them

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a bit thinking you might be him. What do you

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think of I mean, your your thoughts about their matchup?

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That seems uh, you know, Fondora is in his prime.

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Therm is coming off of a of a he he

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did recently fight, but a longer layoff. But you know

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there's always that size difference when a Fundora opponent has

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to look up at the guy. How do you think

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that fight works out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, I think fun Door is hard. He's very

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hard box on The reason for it is that when

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he it's not like he's punching of the like powerful,

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but they're just stingy and they're non stop. The fact

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that he's that tall, he can throw a hundred punches

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around and not waste energy, you know, So he just

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goes bom bom bom. It's like a monotone boom boom

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boom boom boom boom, and they're landing because there's so

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long and the whole time when you're when you're with Fondora,

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you don't have that time to to relax, to think,

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to strategize or show to do this but them and

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what he's good at it is he's moved and moves around.

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Speaker 2: He's able to could get Fondora to come walk into

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one of his shots, which, yeah, it's going to be

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an interesting doubt in terms of that.

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Speaker 1: Stylistically wise, Deren also has been known to have a

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great chin throughout his career. And as I mentioned, you

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are in this loaded division. Besides yourself and Fondora and

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Thurman Erol Spence coming up potentially to fight you, you

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also have a lot of other guys in the white class.

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He got Xander's eyes he's a unified world champion. A

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lot of people, at least in our country here in

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America want to see virgial Artis and Boutana's get it

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on that day have bigger names in the weight class.

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Josh Kelly recently won a title, taking it from Baker Martazalev,

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the other guy that hung a loss on you a

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few years ago. Where do you fit in this dream

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middleweight division as it is constructed now, because I think

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a lot of people look at is literally the number

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one division for talent in boxing currently. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think in terms of being in the division,

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I think I've only really lost to the best out

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in the division, and that's that's that's all the best.

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Speaker 2: But I just need a big win.

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Speaker 3: I need a big win against someone notable and and

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that puts me back in the mix.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So Dennis Nergia is your next fight. I'm not sure

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that people will look at that as a big win.

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But if you can take care of your business, I

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guess then we'll see the chance to you for you

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to get a big wins. Is that how you sort

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of look at things?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, look one fight at a time, of course,

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But yeah, we're talking about the biggest names.

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Speaker 2: Possible in the in the in the near future.

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Speaker 3: So one step at a time, though, I'm fully focused

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on what I'm going to do to Dennis.

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Speaker 1: Why wilsh you good luck at that fighting against Nursia.

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I'm happy to see them. We'll be able to watch

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here in the United States on Prime Video. I wish

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you the best of luck, and when that's all gone,

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maybe we'll see you in the big one against fans

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Hatter that Tim. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. My good luck. Ma