1 00:00:10,199 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: What's happening, Charlie, that's it. 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: We Gottatroy, what's new? Lucy Lou? There we go, that's 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,760 the podcast. Yeah, come on, jakeing in there. Oh I can't. 4 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't, I can't. I can't think as 5 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:28,719 quick as his Mike. 6 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: You know, you think of a celebrity or backwards, Jake, 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,119 think of a celebrity. 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,399 Speaker 1: Uh okay, okay, you saw one Sandra Bullock. 9 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:45,679 Speaker 2: Okay, now Bullock? That yeah, Bullock? What's uh? 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: He they don't even make sense when he does it. 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,240 He's like, what scooting Sandro. 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: Blugan or something I'm doing? 13 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,119 Speaker 3: Record the intro, i'd be introing putin. 14 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: That's Mary ish uh. And we got Jake Decker here 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,920 filling in for Mike Maharty. Uh, hey, crew, how's it going. 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,359 Speaker 1: Oh, it's good to be here. Thanks for having me. 17 00:01:09,599 --> 00:01:13,200 I uh, I got yeah, I'm excited. There there are 18 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:15,040 there are some cool games to talk about and some 19 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:17,599 other exciting stuff to talk about. 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: And it's a it's fun when someone devolves so much 21 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:24,719 into self parody that it's gonna sound like a joke 22 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:27,560 when we say what Mike's doing. So those at home 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,159 go ahead, and imagine what you think Mike is doing 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,040 right now, and it's it's maybe more ridiculous sounding. 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: That was a show. 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 4: If there was a gun to your head and we said, 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,680 where is Mike Mahardy right now? What would what would 28 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:46,359 you the listener say to save your life? 29 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:49,519 Speaker 2: They're probably gonna say you like a vineyard or like 30 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:52,719 a tasting treat. It's more silly than that, Jake, do 31 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:54,799 you want to tell the fine folks, uh, why Mike 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:55,599 is not here today? 33 00:01:56,239 --> 00:01:59,439 Speaker 1: Well, Mike packed a bag and he went up the 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,760 I assume, I don't know, to a wine camp. 35 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: I yeah, his little knapsack, which I know for a 36 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:10,080 fact he has luggage that has special little holders in 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,599 it for wine bottles. He has special wine luggage that 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,280 he took to his wine camp when he's doing right now. 39 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: I think he's paired with like a wine partner too 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,960 or something. So they have like a little wine buddy system. Yeah, 41 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:25,159 like a camp buddy system where they dable I don't know, 42 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:27,520 maybe wear the same colored shirts, hold hands in case 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,719 they get lost so they don't. 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: Get make sure they don't get like sick, or like 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,000 what is a his wine camp? 46 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,159 Speaker 4: I know, I like to imagine it's like heavyweights and 47 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,000 they have wine hidden in all. 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,319 Speaker 3: The areas of their bunk beds. 49 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: So when you like knock on the wood, it's hollow 50 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:45,400 and when you open up the top, there's wine in there. 51 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, because I think it's like wine 52 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,199 is the purpose there, so they wouldn't be hiding wine. 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,240 They would have to hide like bud lights or something. 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 55 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're not drinking wine, so they're going 56 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,199 to get in trouble. Yeah. 57 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. The camp counselors are like, don't drink any bodlines. Yeah. 58 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:13,439 Speaker 2: Man, that guy likes wine, doesn't he. Yeah, yeah, it's fine, 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,599 it's fine. I got nothing. 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,479 Speaker 4: Well, I think we should have an anti wine episode, 61 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:19,919 so we're not allowed to use the word wine for 62 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:20,759 the rest of the episode. 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm drinking a hot toddy because I've been sick 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,120 for a month and Mary did just weird because I'm sick. 65 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:32,319 Mary did inform me that this will not actually cure 66 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,960 my sickness. It will it'll just maybe make my thurt 67 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:35,840 less gratch, Is that right? 68 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: I think? 69 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:36,439 Speaker 1: So? 70 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, Dan said, I'm I'm not I'm not you know, 71 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,960 I'm a little sick. He's like, but good news. I 72 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,280 have a hot Toddy, so I'm good to go. And 73 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:47,639 I hot Toddies won't help you in any other capacity 74 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,199 besides the boat. All of it, the whiskey, the hot water, 75 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,080 the honey and the lemon will coat your throat and 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,280 it should help your voice. 77 00:03:55,879 --> 00:03:58,319 Speaker 3: I drink hot Toddies all the time in the winter. 78 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:01,639 Speaker 2: And Mary you came in clutch here because I read that. 79 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:04,199 I was like, oh, I because I'm stupid about glass 80 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:05,680 and dishes and stuff, and I said, can you just 81 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:08,000 pour boiling water into like a normal whiskey glass And 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,960 I looked it up. They're like, if it's then I 83 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,560 can crack. And so they were like, oh, get like 84 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,240 a thick ceramic mug or something and married this from 85 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:18,160 Multinoma Falls that say that right. Yeah, So yeah, I 86 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,120 got a nice thick little mug here with it thanks. 87 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: To that in your journey. 88 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:23,759 Speaker 2: Yes with you. Yeah, yeah, that's adorable. 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,519 Speaker 4: I love that. That makes me happy. That was a 90 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:27,560 good memory. Jake, you were there too. We had a 91 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,360 good time. 92 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,519 Speaker 3: At the falls. 93 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 4: We really didn't capture a lot of those memories publicly. 94 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,680 There's like no like no videos because it was like 95 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:36,959 more of like a personal trip. 96 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,519 Speaker 3: But I have really really good memories. 97 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: We joined a cult. Yeah, yes, it was a no 98 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,439 photos colt. Yeah, yeah, you know. 99 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:46,319 Speaker 4: Trip, and I didn't really want to share that with 100 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,839 anyone else unless they were in the cult. 101 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: You made us a lot of our phones and then 102 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:51,800 you threw them at the bottom of a lake. Yeah 103 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:53,800 that was an accident, though you didn't mean to throw them. 104 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:54,879 Speaker 2: You were wasted. 105 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's an accidental. Everyone give me your phones, 106 00:04:58,199 --> 00:04:59,800 I'm throwing them overboard situation. 107 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,319 Speaker 2: I mean, if that was a Coult situation, it could 108 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,399 have been a lot worse in terms of colts who 109 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,680 just like went to the woods by a river and 110 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,920 then drank And that was a really good time. I 111 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:10,800 enjoyed that quite a bit. 112 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:14,319 Speaker 3: It was a good experience. Well, I'm glad that you 113 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:18,839 have a hot Toddy to help with your throat. Yeah. 114 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:24,519 I had a drinking for two. I see. 115 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: The beer is counteracting whatever good the hot Todti is 116 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:28,120 probably doing. 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:34,439 Speaker 4: Sure, there's like this mental state of like, uh, some 118 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,279 people who are like no, I mean a like one 119 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:38,199 alcohol is. 120 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,879 Speaker 3: Good for you because they probably read it. 121 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 4: In a magazine somewhere in the nineties and then just 122 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:44,600 never decided to undo it. 123 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: Which alcohol all alcohol is non unit. But yeah, well 124 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:54,319 there's a specific one which we just agreed to not mention. 125 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: I remember the one you always see on like CNN. 126 00:05:56,959 --> 00:06:00,360 It's like doctors say one glass of blank, you know, 127 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,720 can make your heart better. 128 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 4: It's it's been I mean, it's been debunked in the 129 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:09,160 sense that like, there's no provable amount of any alcohol 130 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:10,040 that's good. 131 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,319 Speaker 3: For you period there. 132 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't believe that. 133 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: Some benefits in the sense I think like some types 134 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,160 of blank can make your blood a little thinner, which 135 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,680 could be good if you have like high blood pressure. 136 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,959 Speaker 3: But ultimately drinking is just not good for you from a. 137 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,639 Speaker 4: Health perspective, Like doctors will never be like, yeah, drink 138 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,240 every day, It's totally fine, you're not supposed to. 139 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:38,519 Speaker 2: I definitely consider myself someone who like I trust medicine, 140 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,480 I trust science. You show me a guy in a 141 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,759 lab coat telling me something, I'm just gonna listen to 142 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,839 him as long as he's not like a whack job 143 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:46,560 or something. You know, go to a hospital, they got 144 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:47,319 to wear it's a. 145 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: Lab coat all the time, and that guy doesn't know shit. 146 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: I would trust his dad because his Dad's on the 147 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:54,560 up and up the sun. Minati. I don't trust him 148 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,600 one bit about the health stuff, but I did to 149 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,519 trust yeah, scientists, doctors and things like that. But then 150 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,639 it is tough when you remember too that it's just like, oh, man, 151 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,319 like we've always been fucking stupid, like you know, as 152 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,360 soon as like our parents were probably alive when the 153 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:13,680 doctors were saying like cigarettes are good for your T zone, 154 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:16,480 and it's like, that's not that long ago, and it's like, oh, 155 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 just drink as much like, you know, as a high 156 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:20,879 fat and milk as possible and makes your bone stronger. 157 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:22,639 Now they're like, oh, don't looks bad for you. So 158 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,800 is it everything that we know and except now, like 159 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:29,000 the best we can do is just follow the instructions. 160 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,399 But in fifty years is going to be like wow, 161 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:34,199 I can't believe people thought apples weren't cancerous, you know. 162 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,959 Speaker 1: I mean we used to put lead in the walls, 163 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,759 you know, and we stopped doing that. Yeah. Here here's 164 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,000 what I would say about science. 165 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:43,079 Speaker 4: You grow, like as they learned, they'll be like, oh, 166 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,240 actually that old science. That's that's a load of huha. 167 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:48,399 Now now we're all up on this science. So like, 168 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:50,480 it's not that you were taught lies. It's just at 169 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,519 the time that was as advanced as medical science had. 170 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,720 And now we have more science and we're like that 171 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:58,879 last you know, don't do that other stuff anymore. 172 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:02,199 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone actively lying, you know. Well, I 173 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:05,759 don't know, no, no, no, maybe, but you know, like 174 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,480 I think most doctors and science programs have had like 175 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:12,720 good intentions until maybe recently. 176 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,079 Speaker 1: Well, okay, I was going to say, it's been proven 177 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:21,279 that stress is really bad for your heart. It's just 178 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:26,160 being stressed constantly is not good for you. What if 179 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,240 a little bit of alcohol destresses you, you know, like 180 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:32,919 could Like I'm not saying it's good for you, right, 181 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,840 Like probably the healthy thing to do would be to 182 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:38,840 figure out how to distress in a healthy way, but 183 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,240 maybe you can't. And you know, a beer is better 184 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,799 than being a constant state of stress in my opinion. 185 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, Well, doctor Dan says, Look, I have an 186 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:51,799 Apple Watch, so I'm somewhat of an expert on this 187 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,399 because I wake up and I look at Jake. I 188 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,120 know we've read the same book about sleep and stuff 189 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:59,960 like that. Like sleep is fascinating and if I drink 190 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,080 and I wake up, I look at my watch and 191 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,879 it's like, oh god, I was just fucking like the 192 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,320 lightest sleep, no deep sleep, just waking up several times 193 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,960 e other night without even realizing it versus like actually, 194 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,720 for like the whole month of April, I didn't have 195 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:16,960 a drop, And it was like that was so easy 196 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,600 to fucking I'm getting up early, I'm running them, you know, 197 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,320 like I'm just feeling rested and better. I'm not feeling 198 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,200 like I need a nap at you know, six pm 199 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,879 or anything like that. So, yeah, like on top of 200 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:28,679 all the shitty stuff it's doing to your body, it's 201 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,840 also hurting your sleep, which is super important. Yeah, yeah, 202 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:33,879 but it is fun. 203 00:09:34,279 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: That seems good advice. 204 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:39,159 Speaker 4: The thing too, I wonder is like I love this 205 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,519 like three uninformed. Yeah, don't discuss the impacts of alcohol 206 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:44,919 in the body. 207 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,279 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of those podcasts. 208 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 4: Now, you increase your tolerance, and so then that beer 209 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,039 probably isn't distressing you. Then you need two beers, and 210 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:55,799 then you need three stars, and then you get yourself 211 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,600 a stew going. And so my worry is that you're 212 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,759 kind of using alcohol is as a crutch, right, instead 213 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:07,799 of addressing whatever it is that's like really stressing you out. Ultimately, 214 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:15,480 I drink every day and it's been great, but I 215 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,840 find that I am sleeping the most and I feel 216 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,120 the most rusted when I get up an exercise instead 217 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:27,960 of drinking. But I like to exercise and drink, not 218 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,440 at the same time. I think that would be tough, 219 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,120 but I've. 220 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:32,159 Speaker 2: Done the both thing. I thought that would be smart. 221 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,200 It doesn't. It's not smart at all. You shouldn't do it. 222 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,799 Speaker 3: It seems hard because you're thirsty. 223 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah and dehydrated. Yeah. I just thought, like my logic 224 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:43,720 in college was that, like I would run home from 225 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:45,559 the bars sometimes because they'd be like, God, it takes 226 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,679 so long to get home. I'll just run and I'd 227 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,240 be drunk. So the next morning I'd be like, wow, 228 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,279 I don't even really remember running. It's like it just 229 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,519 flew by. So my thought was, ooh, maybe if I 230 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:58,399 went to the gym drunk and then ran on the treadmill, 231 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,440 it would seem really like it went by really fast, 232 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,720 so I would like crazy get tanked. I think it 233 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:04,919 was twenty four it might be twenty four seven rec center, 234 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:07,440 so I'd be like tanked in college and then go 235 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,039 to the rec center. I remember I just got on 236 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:11,519 the treadmill in like ten minutes in I was like 237 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:15,039 dizzy and almost falling over, Like this is probably not surprise. 238 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: They let you in. 239 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: Just this drunk college kids showing us stumbling in the 240 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,320 breaking of aeria. 241 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:24,159 Speaker 3: What's to spot me? 242 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: God lifting? 243 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. 244 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: I've been trying to get smarter because as I've gotten older, 245 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,000 my hangovers have gotten worse, and so it's very important 246 00:11:34,039 --> 00:11:35,679 for me to not get hungover. 247 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,639 Speaker 3: And so my new system is is. 248 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:39,279 Speaker 4: Before I go out, if I know I'm going to 249 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,600 be drinking, I drink one of those uh like Gatorade 250 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,120 or like hyper what are those called, like liquid ivs? 251 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like an electrolyte tablet and yeah, yeah. 252 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 4: Before I go out drinking, and that helps ease it ultimately. 253 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,879 Speaker 3: Like one of my favorites husband pedialyte. 254 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: You know that that's a long time, Like I've done 255 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,399 that a lot pedia light. There's those like noon electrolyte 256 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:05,159 tablets that are like little Alco seltzers throwing. There's the 257 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:08,039 liquid ivs, there's the emergencies, you know, stuff like that, 258 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,759 Like I travel with those. Yeah, It's great on like 259 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:14,840 planes and stuff too. If you're just worried about being dehydrated. 260 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: Like I love that, and you just pre prepare yourself 261 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:18,200 for alcohol. 262 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 4: I like my body and my skin accordingly because I'm like, 263 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:24,960 you're drinking tonight, body, so I want you to be 264 00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:27,879 really hydrated because I'm about to fuck you up. 265 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,159 Speaker 3: My body like nose to tense up and be like, Okay, 266 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:34,960 she's going to a woolhouse, Like we need to. 267 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: Get ready, like all your blood cell. 268 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 3: They're telling each other and like running around they're battening 269 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,039 the hatches in there. I assume. 270 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 4: But in the morning I find that I'm I'm just 271 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,759 so much better because I've prepared myself for that alcohol. 272 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,879 Speaker 2: Food. Food's super important to find, like the days where 273 00:12:53,879 --> 00:12:55,240 I get the most fucked up the next day, or 274 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:56,879 like if I started drinking, like this is all you 275 00:12:56,879 --> 00:12:58,720 know one on one drinking. It's one on. 276 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: One, but a lot of people don't know so that 277 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:01,559 it ain't bread. 278 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:08,279 Speaker 4: You want protein because protein breaks down alcohol molecules better 279 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,320 and faster. Bread is more like a soaker. So a 280 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,720 lot of times people will be like, get a piece 281 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:15,320 of bread in you, Yeah, that will slow the alcohol intake, 282 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,399 which is true because now you have to digest it. 283 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,320 But the same amount of alcohol is getting in your bloodstream, 284 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,080 So you're not preventing anything. You're just delaying the inevitable 285 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,200 of how drunk you're going to be. Eating chicken, eating 286 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,600 like steak, eating meat. Protein breaks down the It helps 287 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,519 your body like break down the alcohol faster, so you 288 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:41,039 won't get as drunk as quickly with protein. So there's 289 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,759 a fact that maybe not everybody knows. 290 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:46,279 Speaker 1: So bring some protein powder with me to the bar, 291 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:48,480 is what you're saying. Maybe I'll in my beer. 292 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: You get drunk at the gym. The biggest secret that 293 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:52,639 I know. 294 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: That's a double whammie. You know, you're so drunk you 295 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,200 don't remember going to the gym. Plus you have protein. 296 00:13:58,399 --> 00:13:59,559 Are you know you're good to go? 297 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 298 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, next thing, you know, you don't remember how you 299 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:03,360 became jacked. 300 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 3: I also, I learned that fact about the protein from 301 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,440 a like a workout instructor, lady, like a trainer, so 302 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,919 I feel like she knows. 303 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: I think I accidentally followed that advice without knowing it 304 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,480 last weekend because jan and I went to North Carolina 305 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,320 last weekend because lovely place. Yeah, I like North Carolina. 306 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,519 It's a barbecue part of the country and I love 307 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:29,759 trying different barbecues and stuff. 308 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:31,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my sister lives there. 309 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: I have a lot of family in North Really around 310 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,360 we're like Durham and stuff. It's kind of around. We 311 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:37,600 flew into Raleigh, went to Durham. But it was the 312 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:39,799 thing we did the Bomaiton thing last year and we 313 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:42,000 had a million just like silly incentives and stuff where 314 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 it's like, oh, fans, you know, if we give this 315 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,080 much or give this many subscriptions, or if we hit 316 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,519 this goal, we do this and this and this, and 317 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:50,639 we're still like all year we're kind of like, you know, 318 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:52,879 making sure we're making good on all those incentives. And 319 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,639 one of them was just one of those like we 320 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:56,679 throw out the occasional crazy idea and it's like, I 321 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:59,440 wonder if this is actually going to happen, But here 322 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,840 we go. We listed a large number and we said, 323 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,399 if any one person gives this much, contributes this much 324 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:09,759 to Giant Bomb, me and jan will fly to your 325 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:11,639 house and hang out with you for a weekend and 326 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:12,720 make a video about it. 327 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: Did you have fun? 328 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: I had a great time. His name is Andrew. He's 329 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,039 also big fire Escape fan, so he's probably listening right now. 330 00:15:19,399 --> 00:15:23,000 But we flew out to Andrew's place in North Carolina, 331 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:25,759 and there's the protein part. Me and Jan show up 332 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:28,960 at his house. He has made the craziest fucking spread 333 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:32,360 of just a rack of ribs. He's made a giant 334 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,600 tin of wings. He's got just like a salad. He's 335 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,080 got it. He has this smoker on his deck and 336 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,240 he smoked cheese its. He put poured a whole box 337 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,919 of cheese it's into a thing and put a bunch 338 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,720 of like ramp seasoning and oil and stuff on it 339 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:45,799 and left it in a smoker. And he was just like, 340 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:48,399 oh my god, like all this shit was incredible. And 341 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,320 then he also has a bar in his house and 342 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,960 he's like this like master cocktail maker. So yeah, we 343 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,960 show up immediately it's just like here's a million pounds 344 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,279 of meat, and then we're gonna go down on my 345 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,840 bar and start taking to kili shots stuff. So I 346 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:02,919 did get a good amount of protein in before we 347 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,720 just drank for forty eight hours straight basically, But yeah, 348 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:08,759 that was a great time. Andrew showed us round and 349 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:10,279 we had. 350 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,879 Speaker 3: A lot of good host. Their barbecue is prolific. 351 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,159 Speaker 4: So my sister lives in Greensboro, which he'll know is 352 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:21,840 pretty close, and when I visited her a couple of 353 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:24,519 years ago, she took me to Hornytown, which is no 354 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:28,919 excuse me, Yeah, it's west of Greensboro, and I wish 355 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,679 I had known, because I would have been like, tell 356 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,399 them to take you to hornytowns take. 357 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,159 Speaker 3: Me to Hornytown. 358 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:39,799 Speaker 4: And it's crazy because it's like on their gas station, 359 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:41,519 it's on their shirts and stuff, so you can like 360 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,320 buy like I've been to Hornytown. 361 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:45,039 Speaker 2: To a magnet. 362 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:47,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're in on the joke. 363 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,679 Speaker 3: Then I think that at some point they realized their 364 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,960 merch sales were high, they decided to capitalize on the 365 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,440 fact that they are Hornytown. 366 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,039 Speaker 2: All right, Can we check right now before looking on 367 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:04,119 to Google, who the mayor of Hornytown is and what 368 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,440 do you think? Just describe what you imagine the mayor 369 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,119 of Hornytown looking like or being. 370 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,559 Speaker 3: Do you think they have a mayor? 371 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:12,079 Speaker 4: How small does your city have to do be before 372 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,279 like doesn't have one? 373 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: You're right, it doesn't have a mayor. It's an unincorporated 374 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,640 community in Forsyth County does not have a formal municipal 375 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,720 government or elected officials. There is the Hornytown Fire Department, 376 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,960 which is led by Chief Kelly Baker, the fire chief 377 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:26,799 of Hornytown. 378 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the fire I put out the fires in Hornytown. 379 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,519 Speaker 2: Oh that's good. 380 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:35,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that's funny. Yeah. I feel like I could 381 00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:39,640 judge that person. I feel like, uh, they I hope. 382 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 4: That they have a h what do they call it? 383 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: A fire dog? 384 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,839 Speaker 2: They have an Instagram account, the Hornytown Fire Department. 385 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,039 Speaker 3: Oh good for them. 386 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the location here. 387 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:54,319 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, marriage is crazy. They you have to get 388 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:54,839 merged from this. 389 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,519 Speaker 4: I have a photo of me in Hornytown like at 390 00:17:58,519 --> 00:18:01,119 their gas station, and we like all bought hornytwn shirts 391 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,039 because we thought it was so funny. Like my sisters 392 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:06,160 were like, this is like such a classic like my 393 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,599 family thing. But it's like you're not gonna be forty 394 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:11,559 minutes from Hornytown and not go and all take selfies 395 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:12,880 in front of the Hornytown sign. 396 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: And so that's what we did on our vacation. 397 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: That seems to be the popular thing here is a 398 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,359 lot of people taking pictures in front of the Hornytown sign. 399 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:23,160 I'll sing ads for the the Hornytown Run for Hospice. 400 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,359 Five k ah. 401 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,319 Speaker 3: They're givers, they are, they are so thoughtful. 402 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: Hornytown and hospice are not two words I would put 403 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:33,960 next to each other. 404 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,599 Speaker 3: Really horny for hospice. They say, no, they don't there, they. 405 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: Don't horny in hospice. 406 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,799 Speaker 2: So that was that was our weekend. Was was that 407 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,079 And then I was gone overseas for nine days prior 408 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,599 to that, So I've been I've been out and about 409 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,960 quite a bit, and that's why I missed the last episode. 410 00:18:54,039 --> 00:18:57,359 But thanks to Benny for fun and it sounds a. 411 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 4: Great He's so great, he's so east to talk to, 412 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,400 and we had a really good conversation. I think we'll 413 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,079 probably get to it because we did talk about some games, 414 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,240 but you weren't here, so we just assumed what your 415 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:12,680 opinion would be on said games, and so it'd be. 416 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: Really nice to Yeah, you know, I think I might 417 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,359 have seen a clip or something or some references to one, 418 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:21,119 and I can kind of expound upon that a little 419 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,559 bit here once we get to the games. Yes, we 420 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,039 will get to that game and others soon. I did 421 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:28,119 watch you know, Bonk, and I do our movie nights 422 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,200 and I heard of one recently that I just watched. 423 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,200 Was it last night? Might have been last night? Yeah, 424 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,839 the Dirties. Have you guys heard of us? No, I've 425 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,440 never heard of that, so it's fascinating. It is Matt 426 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:42,920 Johnson from Nirvana the Band who he's the guy who 427 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,359 directed and wrote in BlackBerry. He's like the kind of 428 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,279 the main guy in Nirvana the Band, and he's in it. 429 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,759 He directed it and wrote it and everything. I think 430 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:54,839 it actually was made after the first run of Nirvana 431 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,160 the Band the Show, but before like it was like 432 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,799 twenty thirteen. It came out basically, and it is like 433 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,799 imagine a lot of the like Nirvana The Man the 434 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:05,920 Show stuff where it's like they're using it kind of 435 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,240 found footagey. It's sometimes you can't quite tell who's an 436 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:12,000 actor or what's really filmed here, what's like scripted or whatever. 437 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:14,000 But it's about school shootings. 438 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 4: Jesus, it's a crazy subject line to be like messing 439 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,680 around with as like a found footage situation. 440 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like it is him acting like he's 441 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,559 playing himself. His name is Matt Johnson, and it just 442 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:29,279 like it is in real life. And in Nirvana the Band. 443 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,519 So it's and it's a crazy thing because he is 444 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,720 like the subject of the movie and he's basically just 445 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,799 like a not super self aware video production nerd that 446 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,319 is trying to put together a movie about like a 447 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:45,359 school shooting and like these bullies in his school and 448 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,559 stuff like that. And in the midst of it, he 449 00:20:46,599 --> 00:20:49,079 actually starts planning a school shooting. 450 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: God, is this a serious drama or the like? 451 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: It is like, like totally that seems like such a 452 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,000 crazy needle to thread. I think they do it really 453 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:02,799 really well because it is like the first like thirty 454 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,559 forty whatever minutes, it is like it feels like Nivana 455 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:07,519 the Band. It's like him and it's not. Jay is 456 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:09,519 in it, and Jay's the composer, but he's only briefly 457 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,279 like a cameo in it. But it's like him and 458 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:13,359 a friend and they're playing high schoolers and stuff and 459 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,160 they are just kind of joking around. It is like 460 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,279 they're hanging out in a place with movie posters all 461 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,599 over the walls. There's game cubes and sixty fours everywhere. 462 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,440 They're talking about the same type of stuff. They talk 463 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,160 about Nirvana the Band of the show, but and it's 464 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,400 not dealt with like it's not dealing with the subject 465 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,160 flippantly or anything. It is just the way this character 466 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,079 is talking about it is just like, Okay, this kid's 467 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,440 obviously really like disturbed here, and you see his friend 468 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,720 that he's talking with kind of like get a little 469 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:41,759 more just like WHOA, Okay, I don't you know, I'm 470 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:45,079 not super comfortable with this. And it's just so so 471 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,839 crazy to see that same Nirvana the band style and 472 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,839 even humor that delves into a very serious topic but 473 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,759 doesn't ever feel like grosser exploitative or anything like that. 474 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,640 It's kind of a fascinating, like I don't know how 475 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:00,440 he pulled it off. 476 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: Basically, Can I ask one like question that I don't 477 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,480 think is spoilery? 478 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,759 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. 479 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,079 Speaker 4: Are we supposed to believe that Matthew Johnson is a 480 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,200 student yeah, and doesn't look student aged? 481 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: It kind of works. I mean, they're supposed to be 482 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:20,039 like high schoolers in this. It's set in like two 483 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:22,519 thousand and seven to no no, like because the reference 484 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,279 Dark Night in it, so it's like probably eight oh nine, 485 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:29,680 like early iPhones and stuff. He it's not it's not, uh, 486 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,279 it was. It was in twenty thirteen, so he was 487 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,559 much younger. You know, this is the thirteen year. 488 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: You just put him in some cutoffs and say, you know, 489 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:39,319 ham it up for the camera, and he does. He 490 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:40,359 can't wear his hat. 491 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,559 Speaker 2: No, he doesn't have his say his trademark hat or 492 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:43,279 anything like that. 493 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: But I have a high schooler. 494 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,559 Speaker 2: It was not super distracting, and I thought it was 495 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,359 really really interesting and it was so it's so weird 496 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,640 too because like you know how like, okay, we alluded 497 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,799 to it before and we're gonna talk about it later 498 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,880 like mixtape being like you know, some people who saw 499 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,200 it as like, oh this is a nostalgic this is 500 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,880 what I remember high school being like, and stuff like that. 501 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:07,599 Now it is very important to give this distinction. If 502 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,880 you subtract every part of the school shooting thing of 503 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,559 the movie, which is a big part of the movie, 504 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,880 this is probably the closest to like a mixtape type 505 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,839 thing of my high school experience of just like the 506 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,200 way they depict bullying, the way they depict like just 507 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,799 these guys are obvious like video production nerds, and like 508 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:27,880 every movie they reference every poster they've gone. The way 509 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,480 it's the same fight club posters and clockwork, orange references 510 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,799 and all this stuff. It's very much like and you 511 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:35,480 see them like in the editing bay and stuff, like 512 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:38,039 making their like and they're making these like kind of 513 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:40,680 violent short films and stuff like that. And like I 514 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,640 in my editing bay, you know, I worked at the 515 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,839 movie theater. I brought in all the AMC posters to 516 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,240 put all over our editing bay. In video production class, 517 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:50,759 I was super inspired by like Tarantino stuff and everything. 518 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,759 So I was making these dumbass violent, you know, short 519 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,079 films and stuff. Yeah, we all were, you know, you know, 520 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:57,720 we were seventeen and getting our friends to make these 521 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,920 kind of like mob Tarantino inspired movies or whatever. I 522 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,039 got banned from the video production class and lab in 523 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,960 my school because like it was a very conservative, you 524 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,200 know teacher and he was like, oh, you know, no 525 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:10,720 guns and then there's no cussing or whatever. There's literally 526 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,720 like a scene in this where like their video production 527 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,079 teachers like, hey, you can't. You don't do the guns, 528 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:17,519 don't do the swearing and stuff. So it's like, holy shit, 529 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:20,480 I can remove all of the school shooting elements to it. 530 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,240 And it's like this was like I turned to Bonk 531 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:23,839 at one point, It's like, this is like my mixtape, 532 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,559 Like these are like Nintendo nerds. Mine this like Nintendo 533 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,799 nerds because I saw people wouldn't Again, we're gonna talk 534 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:32,359 about mixtape the game in a bit here, but I've 535 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,000 said my thoughts on Giant Bomb, and people are like, oh, 536 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,519 I bet if they made it about you know, nineties kids, 537 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:39,839 you know, wearing wrestling shirts and going to wrestling show, 538 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,799 Dan would love it. I was like, no, that sounds stupid. 539 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:44,240 I wouldn't like that. But watching this, it was like, 540 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:46,960 oh wow, this is kind of like what hanging out 541 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,799 with my like video production nerd friends was like back 542 00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:55,519 then again until the school shooting stuff like a million times. 543 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,160 I have not shot up any schools, but I would. 544 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,599 It's on YouTube. The whole movie was on YouTube. It's 545 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,960 like an hour twenty three. It's just if if you 546 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,920 like his stuff, like if you saw BlackBerry liked it 547 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,039 or in the Bond of the band. It's obviously a 548 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,599 very very different subject matter, but I just continue to 549 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:17,640 be fascinated by everything Matt Johnson makes, including this. 550 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: Do you know what he's doing next? Have you seen 551 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,440 the trailer for Isn't that. 552 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: Magic the Gathering or something. 553 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: No, he's uh directing the Anthony Boordain by all. Yeah, 554 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,279 they released a trailer not that long ago. I I'm 555 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:34,160 pretty sure it was Matt Johnson. I I think that we're. 556 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 2: Hearing that and then he like signed on to do 557 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,680 a magic thing recently. But yeah, he's doing like then 558 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:38,119 to do. 559 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: A magic thing, because I think I think he's been 560 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,200 quoted to saying like if he wasn't in the film 561 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,839 and directing, he would be a professional, or he would 562 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,559 have tried to be a professional, like Magic the Gathering player. 563 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: But no, I think magic comes up in this movie. 564 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:55,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that does not surprise me at all. But like, yeah, 565 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:56,920 I think his next thing is supposed to be this 566 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,200 Anthony Bourdain biopic, which which, like, I think the range 567 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,440 is super impressive. Not that because I kind of followed 568 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,599 the Nirvana the Band the Show stuff back in the day. 569 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:08,799 Maybe not back in the day, but I caught up 570 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,680 with it later. But then I remember seeing BlackBerry and 571 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,920 the whole thing with BlackBerry, at least from my perspective, 572 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,599 was like, Yeah, it's the Nirvana the band the show guy, 573 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,359 and he directed a movie, and I was like, I 574 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,839 don't think this will be good, but I think I 575 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,000 will enjoy it. And it turned out I really enjoyed it, 576 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,799 and I thought it was good, yeah, mostly because it 577 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,680 was making fun of like that whole genre. But I'm 578 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,559 really curious to see what he'd do with Anthony Bourdain 579 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,599 because even you talking about like the Dirties, it really 580 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,640 seems like he has like untapped range and potential. So 581 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,759 I'm super curious to see like where his career goes. 582 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,200 Because man, watching Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie 583 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,319 all together in New Orleans was so much fun. 584 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,039 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was a blast. That was my 585 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:54,079 second time and it held up so well. It's just like, yeah, 586 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,039 he's one of those guys now, like Zach Kreiger is 587 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:57,440 one of those now too, where it's like, okay, you 588 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,359 just say a name of like this young kind of 589 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,640 visionary film, like I will see anything they attach their 590 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,279 names to, and like there are funny parts too where 591 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,640 it's like they're recording Foley audio and stuff, and like Jake, 592 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,319 you've probably been in these situations. It's like you and 593 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:11,079 your friend, you're just like he's he's like stopping around 594 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,799 on like leaves and stuff, trying to do Folly stuff, 595 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,759 and he's trying to get like background chatter, and he 596 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,720 starts like bringing up like specific NPC lines from Balder's 597 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,400 Gate and he's like, oh yeah, you know, like when 598 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,799 you passed the end and there's that guy that says 599 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:22,599 this every time, and it's just like, Wow, this is 600 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,559 a really earnest depiction of like making funny videos with 601 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:26,200 your friends, you know. 602 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: Wow. 603 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,279 Speaker 2: And then there's the school shooting stuff. Yeah yeah, and 604 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:29,799 then that too. 605 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 4: I have something about recording Folly that's I don't think 606 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,640 it's universal for everyone, but it was a part of 607 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,160 my high school experience of like we got to get 608 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,960 this footage so we're like, you know, punching heads of 609 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,599 lettuce or like stomping around that I think is really fun. 610 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,240 And even to this day, I have like a friend 611 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,240 that's like chased my dog Simoon around the apartment to 612 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,759 get his little snorts because it'd be like really fun 613 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,480 to have in the background of it doesn't matter some video, 614 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,440 but it's like Folly is just like so fun record. 615 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,200 It's such a joy to like see if you can 616 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:07,359 capture magic in a bottle by I don't know, slamming 617 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,480 a you know, slamming an orange against the pavement and 618 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,880 finding out what kind of like weird splu. 619 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: Shit makes well. 620 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,079 Speaker 2: And then we've probably all been to game studios and 621 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,119 development places before, Like I don't know if anyone's been 622 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,359 to like a high end like Foley room where it's 623 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,160 like I love it, where it's like here's the section 624 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,279 of the floor that's like a tic tac toe board, 625 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,480 like a three by three grid of like here's sand, 626 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:28,920 here's glass, here's dirt, And they've got different shoes and 627 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,279 stuff and they're like clonk clunk, clunk clunk, or bags 628 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,440 of stuff they're wrestling around. Then you like hearing the 629 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,200 stories about like oh yeah, we want to get this 630 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,640 specific train sound. So yeah, this guy stood basically on 631 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,759 the cabooz and pointed like a shotgun mic at the 632 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,160 wheels for like two hours. Like that type of stuff 633 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,920 is so specific and cool. I think that is like. 634 00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:47,599 Speaker 3: My miss of a career. 635 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,599 Speaker 4: If I could have done something else than what I did, 636 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,680 I think it would be so much fun to record 637 00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:58,640 folly for a job. How fucking cool is that to 638 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,559 throw stuff and to like walk on stuff and be 639 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,160 like how do I capture this idea? That there's like 640 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,559 a whistle in the wind a love. 641 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: A few years ago, Jan and I went to the 642 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:12,519 Capcom studio in Osaka for Monster Hunter, right, and they 643 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,119 gave us like a tour of like we saw the 644 00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:19,319 oh god, the motion capture room or whatever where they 645 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:20,960 did that, but we also saw where they make the 646 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:22,839 sounds for Monster Hunter and it was kind of like 647 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720 what you described, except not high end. It was like 648 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,759 in a tiny little room in the basement. But one 649 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:31,599 of the cooler things was that for all of the 650 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,720 monsters for the last Monster Hunter game, they invented instruments 651 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,000 to be the sounds of these monsters, so they'd have 652 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,599 the weirdest things you've ever seen in your life. You 653 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,200 wouldn't understand that they're an instrument or they could be 654 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,759 played and they'll like blow into them or like scrape 655 00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:50,319 them and it'll make these terrible sounds. But like, man, 656 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,039 seeing those sound designers light up is they were like 657 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,559 showing like these weird creations they made that are designed 658 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,119 to create these ridiculous sounds for these monsters. 659 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: So cool, Like, yeah, could they be so much fun 660 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,559 utilized to like make actual music if they wanted to? 661 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,079 Or is it like oh it makes this one fucked 662 00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:09,440 up sound. 663 00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd make like screeching like sort of noises, but 664 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,480 it would do it very well and it would have 665 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:17,839 some range so they could like like this is when 666 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,599 it gets hurt, this is when it uh, this is 667 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,720 when it breathes fire. Whatever it was, it's pretty cool. 668 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: I think it was that trip I saw it might 669 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,880 have been. You posted a video of like the guys 670 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,160 doing the like mo cap for the different creatures and 671 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,519 stuff and just the wild like motions they're making. Like 672 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,599 that seems like probably a fun one to work on. 673 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I bet I mean like that. Yeah, seeing 674 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,279 all the stuff that happens in that capcom studio is 675 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,079 like kind of kind of magic. It was crazy to 676 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,400 see how just all these different areas work together to 677 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,839 create a game. 678 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: They're they're doing a good job lately, it turns out. 679 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it keptcon is killing it. And you want 680 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,200 to be able to own all that stuff too. 681 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: Like, there's a lot of places where you can get 682 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,839 free Folly, and I do anyone anyone who's like butting 683 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,200 into this world, you can you can download free Folly 684 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,799 on like a lot of different websites and it's fun. 685 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,279 To be like what kind of fake you know, sounds 686 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,559 footsteps can I make? But there's nothing like recording it 687 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,160 yourself because it's yours, it's uniquely yours, and so you 688 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,400 own it, and so it feels really good when you're 689 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:24,920 when you're whatever video ends up coming out because every 690 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,759 piece of that you constructed. 691 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 4: So I can absolutely see why in a game they won't. 692 00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:32,279 They don't want to buy somebody else's sound effects. They 693 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,519 want to own every original. 694 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: Sound effect that they use. And that makes a lot 695 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,559 of sense. 696 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 4: But that's a part of that behind the curtain view 697 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,279 where you don't think about the fact that every sound 698 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,960 that you heard was constructed in this tiny little room, 699 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,279 not made that's tiny, but like some kind of fake 700 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,640 room where they've orchestrated everything that you're hearing was all 701 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,799 constructed in one space. 702 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,119 Speaker 2: It's crazy a fun thing about like, yeah, being like 703 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,400 making videos in high school stuff like that. I remember, 704 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,079 like I'd make my stupid movies and a mob guy 705 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,480 would have a silence gun and take someone out for something, 706 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,079 and it's like, okay, well I'm just gonna like put 707 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:11,480 a VHS tape in and record Golden Eye and just 708 00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,920 shoot the silence PP seven a bunch and then like 709 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,440 get all the other guns for other ones and then 710 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,839 like feed it into you know, final cut or whatever, 711 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,920 and yeah, it's that stuff was fun as hell. 712 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,599 Speaker 3: So that's not creating sound effects. That was stealing that. 713 00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,359 Speaker 1: Child, but through the process, you. 714 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: Know, definitely stole those sound effects from a video game. 715 00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well they're doing things. 716 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,119 Speaker 3: Like the Nintendo suos. 717 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,079 Speaker 2: You Oh yeah, I've made a lot of money off 718 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,519 those fucking shitty Tarantino ripop when I was seventeen. 719 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 4: Year old, shitty trailers for Tarantino and they find them 720 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,920 in fucking copyrights. 721 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: Strike your ass. 722 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there's funny parts in the in the dirties 723 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,000 where it's like they want like this girl to be 724 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,480 in it because like at one point Matt Johnson dresses 725 00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,599 up like a woman to be like a woman character 726 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:01,759 in this is like everyone's gonna give me a shit 727 00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:03,039 for this. We need to like we need to like 728 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:04,839 talk to an actual girl and get her in this. 729 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,039 And there's this girl, there's this girl in their class 730 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:09,880 and their video production class that they want to be 731 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,440 in and she just has to say this one line 732 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640 where it's like help, you know, help, please call the 733 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,839 cops or something like that. And so when that girl 734 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,319 in class is showing her movie and they opened it 735 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,000 up questions afterwards, Matt Johnson's like, Hey, what's the part 736 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,279 where you said, you know, help, please call the cops? 737 00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,680 And she was like what. He's like, yeah, that part 738 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,759 where you said help please call the cops and I 739 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,079 didn't say that. He's like, didn't say what? And she's like, 740 00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,240 you're saying I said help, please call the cops. And 741 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,920 they're filming that and they take that part and put 742 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,119 it into the movie. 743 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: But she's not saying it stressed out, she said, she's 744 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:47,960 telling please call the cops. 745 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't fit at all. 746 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty funny. 747 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:55,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, we we alluded to some games here. 748 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:57,440 We alluded to Mixtape. I know, Mary, you talked about 749 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,920 that last week. Me and Jake can kind of talk 750 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,880 about our thoughts a little bit here. But we've got 751 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,400 other games. We've got newer games that we can kick 752 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,159 off with soon. So stick around and we will be 753 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,440 right back. Video games they're here, we're playing them, including 754 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,320 Mina the Hollower. Now this is an interesting one because 755 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,599 we're kind of in this purgatory zone between embargoes here, 756 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,519 so we this is not a spoiler warning here because 757 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,960 we actually have to keep things pretty vague and we 758 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,360 can't talk about later games stuff. We're not gonna talking 759 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,199 about specific boss fights. We're gonna be talking general thoughts 760 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:35,679 on maybe kind of the early parts in format and 761 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,079 things like that. I mean, the Hollow. It sounds like 762 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,199 we've all played quite a bit a bit. 763 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,119 Speaker 3: It sounds like we have a range of times. 764 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 4: It sounds like, Jake, you might have rolled credits, so 765 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,519 you've played a good chunk, which is cool. 766 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,199 Speaker 1: I have finished it. Yeah, I have finished it. 767 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'll say in that regard, Okay, I'm 768 00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,320 like ten hours in, Mary, how about you, I'm. 769 00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,039 Speaker 4: Like twenty six hours in and I know that I've 770 00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,320 I think it's fair you can say that generally what 771 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,440 you're doing is you're like getting these towers and I 772 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,840 have I have gotten four. So that's like a good, 773 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:14,360 like at least gauge of how far I'm in, because 774 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,159 I think there's about six. 775 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine like you know Zelda Dungeons, basically, you know 776 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,519 there's anything Actually. 777 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 3: A lot of people comparing this to Zelda. Oh it's awakening. 778 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of the top downs. Yeah, yeah, it's it is. Yeah, 779 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,159 go ahead. 780 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think one of the 781 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,239 interesting things about this embargo with this specific game is 782 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,320 that there are specific dungeons we can talk about. But 783 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,639 the thing is is you can do them in any order. 784 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:44,760 So in theory, the first two dungeons, like I didn't 785 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,880 do the Bayou, which is when we can talk about 786 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,039 until like my third one, that was my second and 787 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,360 apparently fourth. Yeah, that's crazy that it was your fourth too, 788 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,400 because one of them is like a pain to get 789 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,400 to otherwise, right, So it's it's like, it's very interesting, 790 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,000 like this game doesn't fit that kind of embargo. I 791 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,960 was expecting stricter restrictions, but. 792 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 4: It's very confusing to me to find out that by 793 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,920 You was one of the ones that it encourages you 794 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,639 to talk about because it's probably early on, probably because 795 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,119 it's easier to get to and maybe it's easier to 796 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:21,000 get through. 797 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,679 Speaker 3: Than the later ones. 798 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 4: I've really been crawling my way through this game. This 799 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,039 is a difficult game, is how I'm going to start. 800 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,639 This is a challenging game that is not for the 801 00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:39,320 faint hearted. I think it is difficult to like go. 802 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 3: The wrong direction. I found it really challenging with the 803 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,480 towers that I picked first took me. 804 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,039 Speaker 4: It took me like ten hours to get my first 805 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,360 tower because it was so fucking hard. 806 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,519 Speaker 3: I could not get through this game. You guys, I 807 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,639 have out loud said multiple times, this game isn't for me. 808 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 4: This game is not for me. It's too hard. Now 809 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,199 that I'm like twenty twenty five hours in, I'm like, 810 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,039 oh no, I get it now, but holy shit, if 811 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,559 you go the wrong way, it's total dark souls, where 812 00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:13,039 you're just like you're in an area you should not 813 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:13,440 be in. 814 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 3: And I didn't know that. 815 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: A couple questions for you both, I take it. No 816 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,280 one looked at the newspapers. 817 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,159 Speaker 2: No I did, and so, okay, because the. 818 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: Newspapers do in theory, they guide you to the dungeons 819 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,440 you should be doing in order from easiest to hardest. 820 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,519 I didn't know this either, though, so I just kind 821 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,880 of blundered around until I went to I finally made 822 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,039 progress in the Crypt, which is the supposed to be 823 00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:42,199 the first first one. 824 00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,079 Speaker 4: I went to the other tower we're allowed to talk 825 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,119 about as well, so we'll be talking about the Crypt 826 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:46,360 and the. 827 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 3: Bayou Yep, I did not know this. 828 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,599 Speaker 4: I did read that. I thought they were just giving 829 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,719 me hints. And also if you talk to the people 830 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,639 in the town, which we're also allowed to talk about this. 831 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:56,639 We're allowed to talk about the what's it. 832 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: Called, generally talking to NBCs and stuff and the owner's landing. 833 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 3: I think that's the town, right. 834 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 2: No, it's like the ox or something, right, is ANX 835 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,679 the town? Yeah? 836 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, there's a town, and every person you talk 837 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,199 to is like I heard there's something going on in 838 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,840 the Bayeu. Like my friend says there's a lot of 839 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,039 bones in the swamp, and I'm like, okay, so I 840 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,360 suppose I should go there. But at no point did 841 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,239 I feel like I was supposed to go to the 842 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,719 bay you first, So I just walked around and when 843 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,639 I got into an area, and. 844 00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 3: This is exactly what happens this game. 845 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,079 Speaker 4: Similarly to Souls, if I can just like back up 846 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,400 for a second and kind of explain a fundamental component 847 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:32,880 of this game. 848 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 3: Souls esk but the bones are their dollars. 849 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 4: You have to kill things to get their bones, and 850 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,000 if you die, your bones are put into a soul 851 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,079 and you need to go to that same spot sure, 852 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,679 and you need to get it. And if the soul 853 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,199 goes into a monster, you need to kill that monster 854 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,880 in order to get your bones back. And if you 855 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,000 die a second time, you lose your bones. They're gone. 856 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,079 And it even it mocks you. It tells you you 857 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,360 lost as many bones, and it's in the newspaper. 858 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:08,199 Speaker 3: It'll tell you. 859 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 4: It tallies all your lost bones, and it fucking throws 860 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,760 them in your face. And I've lost tens of thousands 861 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,840 of bones. Anytime when you play this game, you will 862 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,880 be like, oh no, I have five hundred bones. I'm 863 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,079 so scared to lose them. It doesn't even FaZe me anymore. 864 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,079 I've lost five thousand bones in a single life all 865 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,719 the time. It's brutal, dude, like, losing that many bones 866 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,079 will make you hate yourself. But I've lost so many 867 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:38,800 bones that my soul is hardened into like a concrete lump. 868 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 3: I just don't care anymore. Anyway. 869 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,039 Speaker 4: These other areas you'll face probably more difficult challenges, and 870 00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:47,599 so it's. 871 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,599 Speaker 3: Harder to get your bones back. 872 00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:50,679 Speaker 4: What I'm saying is the reason I like didn't go 873 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,679 to the Bayou is because once I found myself in 874 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,440 an area I had all these bones, and I was like, 875 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,760 I'm afraid to lose these bones, and if I did die, 876 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,320 I had to go get my bones. So at no 877 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,360 point did I feel like I could just abandon ship 878 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,960 because I needed to go get those bones. 879 00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: And then when you get your bones, you're not going 880 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,239 to turn around. You're like, well, I've already made it 881 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,000 this far. I'm going to keep going forward. You know. 882 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 4: I think, as far as I'm aware, there's not like 883 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,559 a lot of fast travel situations here. 884 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,119 Speaker 3: Like you need to you need to figure. 885 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 4: It the fuck out, and this area is dangerous. There's 886 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,480 the underground passages. If you go to the underground, which 887 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,719 is like how you save I guess it's like where 888 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:33,679 you would burrow Ye died. Yeah, you you feel like 889 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,679 you need to like stick it out in those spaces 890 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,639 because once you trap, once you go down there, the 891 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,880 monsters come back to life again. 892 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 2: It's the bonfire. Yeah. 893 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you. 894 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 4: Save, everything is back to life, and so now you're 895 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,480 in danger again. To be sure you can get through it, 896 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,480 but I think this game, you kind of start quite weak, 897 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,519 and over time you build a lot. 898 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,199 Speaker 3: Of your skill set. 899 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 4: You you grow, you know, more weapons, you grow more 900 00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:59,639 you know your your health bar can expand, and I 901 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,800 think that really helps with getting through it in the 902 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,519 later stages. 903 00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 2: Now I have found it very difficult, but I feel 904 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,719 like in a very different way than you have, Mary, 905 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,719 because I have not died much like I've died, but 906 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,360 I've recovered, like I haven't lost a lot of like 907 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,360 bones basically. But my problem is especially early on, actually 908 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,679 the whole time, it's like the amount of times I'm 909 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,920 just running around in like, Okay, I'm gonna talk to 910 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,039 every NPC a million times, but then I'm just kind 911 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:26,800 of going around the same area and just kind of 912 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,480 the circuit and it's like, oh, I've been here a 913 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,599 million times. I don't see anywhere I can go forward. 914 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,719 I'm just fiddle farting around forever. And then it's like 915 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,719 it wasn't until I started checking the newspapers where it 916 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,760 was like, oh, go this way, go to the east, 917 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,000 go to the swamp, go to the whatever. And then 918 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,920 I so I think I went in specifically the order 919 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,199 the game was recommending. So I think that's why I 920 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,519 haven't died much, is because it's like kind of ramping 921 00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,320 it up appropriately. But it's crazy to me, I didn't 922 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,559 know until an hour ago when we you know, first 923 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,599 offt on this call that you could go in any order, 924 00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,599 because I swear I had done a full lap around 925 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,960 this map. And there's not a map. There's not a 926 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,079 quest mark or a quest a log or anything like 927 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,760 that unless that opens up later. So I'm I'm well, 928 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,760 would you not have the map? They're not a specific one, Okay, 929 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,199 there's one that I can just see where generally like yeah, 930 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,519 here's where the swamp is, but not like here's where 931 00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:21,920 I am in relation, not a Zelda style. 932 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:25,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, not like the tile by tile. But there is 933 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:28,320 a map that I didn't find until like halfway through 934 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,360 the game. So I was really just kind of every direction. 935 00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,599 And then I think someone a GameSpot was like, yeah, 936 00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:38,079 in the map, there's this area and I was like, 937 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,239 there's a map. Where do I get the map? 938 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,159 Speaker 2: It's definitely not I've never seen one. 939 00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 4: Where you can cause conversation with another person who had 940 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,119 a copy, and we had this conversation and I said, well, 941 00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,559 it gets it gets better when you find the map, 942 00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:52,280 and they said, oh fucking. 943 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 3: What, and they were mad at the idea that there's 944 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:55,960 been a map. 945 00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: To me. 946 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 3: Jake and I were talking about this. 947 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,039 Speaker 4: It's kind of like Tunic, where there are things that 948 00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:05,000 you can get right away. There are things that are 949 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:06,920 pretty easy for you to acquire, but you don't know 950 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,039 they exist, so you're not looking for them. You don't know, 951 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,039 and thus when you find out it exists, you might 952 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,320 have two different reactions. One might be, oh my god, 953 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,400 thank god, I'm so glad I found this. The other 954 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,599 might be this was here the whole time, the whole time, 955 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,639 whole time, Like you might get mad when you realize 956 00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,119 that this thing that was really difficult for you. 957 00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 3: To traverse is actually quite easy once you realize that 958 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,880 you needed to do a very specific thing in order 959 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,760 to alter it. And that will happen in this game. 960 00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,199 There are things that the game. 961 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,039 Speaker 1: You could have. 962 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,519 Speaker 4: Done the whole time, and you didn't know because the 963 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:43,719 game didn't teach. 964 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 3: That to you yet. 965 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,599 Speaker 4: I think it's cool, but similarly to Tunic, I get 966 00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,280 a little pissed off when I find out that I 967 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,280 have been suffering for three hours when it's because I 968 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,480 didn't know that there was this skill. The game will 969 00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:59,079 teach you, but you have to have a lot of 970 00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:59,960 patience with yourself. 971 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 2: I think so Mary, when you first started describing that, 972 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,840 I assumed you were gonna say, like, oh, it's like 973 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,960 a trinket you can equip or something and then you 974 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,320 can hop over this thing or whatever. But the more 975 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,079 you said it, like if you bring up tunic and stuff, 976 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:11,800 it makes me think, like, oh God, are there like 977 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,679 control things I haven't even considered. 978 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: So I would say one example that we can talk 979 00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:21,280 about because you can't actually progress through the bayou unless 980 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,079 you know it, but you can you know how you 981 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:25,360 can burrow. You can burrow in the ground, but you 982 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,199 can also burrow in water, and that's how you like 983 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,039 cover extra gay And I was stuck there for like 984 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,239 thirty minutes. I was like, what am I supposed to do? 985 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,320 My missing some item is there? And then I think 986 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,480 I accidentally just add of frustration, was just jumping and 987 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,239 then like swam and I was like, oh, so I've 988 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,559 been able to do this the whole time and I 989 00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:42,599 had no idea. 990 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a mix of like I like that stuff. 991 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,840 I like those like aha moments that I it's cool 992 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,920 when a game doesn't hold your hand too much, and 993 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,960 because it gives you those moments and you feel like 994 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,760 a genius and like that's great, but it also can 995 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,480 lead to very frustrating moments where it's like, for instance, 996 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,119 I was in the BIB and there's like a group 997 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,079 of characters that are like, hey, we're looking for our buddy, 998 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,440 and then I found a guy who was clearly their buddy, 999 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,800 and he was like, oh, do you want to leave 1000 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,480 me back to my friends or whatever. It's like, oh, great, sure, 1001 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:10,079 let's go. And I remember I was trying to do 1002 00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:12,360 some like platforming or whatever to bring back to his friends. 1003 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,639 And again there's no map, there's no arrow, there's no anything. 1004 00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:16,119 So it's just like I think they were this way. 1005 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,079 But then if he falls in a hole or you 1006 00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:19,880 fall in a hole or whatever, I think it resets. 1007 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:21,679 And a certain point I just had to save the game, 1008 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,760 went to bed or whatever, load it back up, and 1009 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,880 I remember like, oh, right, I was trying to bring 1010 00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:28,400 that guy back to his friends, and where was that 1011 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,880 guy at? And so I spent like probably over a 1012 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,239 half hour just like going around these same swamp screens 1013 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,880 over and over and over, being like, oh man, I 1014 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,280 just I don't need a big glowing arrow at all 1015 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,480 times telling me what to do. But like I wish 1016 00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,119 it was a little bit easier to like look back 1017 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,000 at a log of some sort and be like, oh, 1018 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,000 you found him here, does not. 1019 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,679 Speaker 3: Hold your hand. 1020 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,679 Speaker 4: This is a gamer ass video game, yes, and especially 1021 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,679 with a lot of the commentary right now and what's 1022 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,480 considered a video game. 1023 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,559 Speaker 3: This is a video game for gamers. The game will 1024 00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:00,639 not tell you what to do. 1025 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,039 Speaker 4: It will give you some hints and some guidelines. You 1026 00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,199 need to use your noodle, and if you don't, you 1027 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,760 will be punished very harshly for it. I think it 1028 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,519 asks a lot of the player visually. And another area 1029 00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,880 that we're allowed to talk about is the crypt and 1030 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,679 there is a lot of hidden areas. There's hidden walls, 1031 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,519 there's areas that will give you a very small visual 1032 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,440 indicator that you can actually burrow under it. And if 1033 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,079 you do not pay attention, you will miss a vital 1034 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,719 key or button that you need to progress. And if 1035 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,239 you don't find it, you will spend forty five booblus 1036 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,840 minutes looking around waiting for something. 1037 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,159 Speaker 3: To happen, which happened to me multiple times. 1038 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 4: And when I finally realized that there was a crack 1039 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,000 in a wall and I needed to hit the wall 1040 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:48,280 in order to find something, I was actually a little pissed. 1041 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,280 I got over it, and I actually, if I can 1042 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,960 just say, I feel like I've been complaining a lot. 1043 00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 3: I really like this game. I have a very good 1044 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,880 experience of this game. 1045 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 4: But I haven't had a game in sol that has 1046 00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,480 made me verbally say fuck this game in a long time. 1047 00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,800 And I did say that several times playing this game, 1048 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,360 and then I over time I realized. 1049 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 3: The game is teaching me. The game is pushing me, 1050 00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:13,559 the game is applying pressure. 1051 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 4: It thinks that you're smart enough that you will just 1052 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,960 figure out that there is a hidden door and you 1053 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,360 need to find it. That the game thinks you are smart. 1054 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,440 It thinks you're capable, and it thinks you are good, 1055 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,280 and it asks a lot of the. 1056 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 2: Player it does, but it also like unnecessarily kind of 1057 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,360 holds you back sometimes where it's like, you know, in 1058 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,119 like Breath the Wild, you run into a thing in 1059 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:38,760 the world and you're like, Okay, well I don't think 1060 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,239 I have what it takes to get here now, but 1061 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,400 let me I'll leave the stamp on the map or whatever. 1062 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,960 Like that was a very very helpful, cool thing in 1063 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,840 that game, and many games are done in a sense. 1064 00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:52,760 This game everywhere you go in dungeons, the overworld, everything, 1065 00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:55,800 there's just like, oh, here's this character that says like, hey, 1066 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,719 if you give me a thousand bones, I'll do a thing. 1067 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,760 Oh shit, I have four hundred. I need to remember 1068 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,079 to come back to this guy later. Or you see 1069 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,039 a gap you don't know how to cross. You see 1070 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,559 a wall, Like I walked up to this place where 1071 00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,480 there's like two like lightning bolts going and the near 1072 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,079 like kind of this river thing. I was like, what 1073 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:14,760 the fuck is this? I got to remember to Like, 1074 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,519 I don't think I can do anything with this now, 1075 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,559 but there is no way like it unless you're just 1076 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,400 taking notes, which again, like I know Tunic and games 1077 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,039 like Fez and things like that like incourage the Witness 1078 00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,519 encourage you to like take notes and stuff. 1079 00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:29,519 Speaker 3: You need a gamer notebook for this game in mind. 1080 00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 2: Even then, it's like I don't know, Like I don't 1081 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,760 think there's like a oh I need to go to 1082 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,599 a seven on the map. I think it's just like yeah, 1083 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,880 river lightning, find that again, find the frog and the 1084 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,320 bayou he needs help or whatever. It's like even if 1085 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,400 I took those notes, I don't think I would know 1086 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,880 how to get back to that, so that can be 1087 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:47,719 very frustrating. 1088 00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: I had a great time with this game. I enjoyed 1089 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,960 it a lot. I think probably the main thing that 1090 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,239 will throw people off is that this looks like Links Awakening. 1091 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,599 I think they've said Links Awakening is a big inspiration 1092 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,039 these Game Boy Color Zelda games. The thing is is 1093 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,440 this is not like a Zelda game at all. Other 1094 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,519 than how it looks. It is a Dark Soul's game. Specifically, 1095 00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,760 it reminds me a lot of Dark Souls one, and 1096 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,880 that there are a lot of routes that you can follow. 1097 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,679 You're going to have to do most of them, not 1098 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,840 all of them eventually, but if you know your way 1099 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,480 around the world, you can find other ways through it. 1100 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,519 So this to me feels like more of a top 1101 00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:30,760 down two D Dark Souls game, and like we can 1102 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,559 be vague, I would say, all the way up to 1103 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,159 the very end, Like those comparisons make even more sense 1104 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,039 by the time you get to the end. And I 1105 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,039 think that is probably why I've enjoyed it so much, 1106 00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:46,079 because I love those Dark Souls games and that sort 1107 00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:49,480 of world design, and this follows that format, I would 1108 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:54,760 say somewhat strictly in a good way, but yeah, I 1109 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,760 had a great time. I definitely had frustrations though, but 1110 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,400 it sounds like my frustrations might be a little different. 1111 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,320 I would say I'm with you, though, Mary. I think 1112 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:09,239 like the beginning is so brutal, like every direction I 1113 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,360 was going, I didn't have a map. I was dying 1114 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,360 no matter what I'd try to do. But once you 1115 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,280 sort of get a handle, once I just started investing 1116 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,039 in strength and defense and ignored everything else, like your 1117 00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:23,880 side arm upgrades, because I don't like how side arms 1118 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,840 are utilized, like you lose us, like they're not permanent, 1119 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,599 so if you die, you lose the side arm, and 1120 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:30,960 then you don't have a side arm, and some of 1121 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,920 those side arms you need in order to solve certain puzzles. 1122 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,519 So then you're like, where the heck was that sidearm? 1123 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:37,760 And then you're having. 1124 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,119 Speaker 2: To go back and to find the bike somewhere. 1125 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,639 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yes, So I wish some of those tools 1126 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,639 were permanent, and I wish there was more of a 1127 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,280 Zelda like side there maybe where like you know, you 1128 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,559 get the bike and you've got the bike from now on, 1129 00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:57,559 you know. But and then I had some like depth 1130 00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:02,079 issues with like your jumps and going under and I 1131 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:04,679 think that's just the nature of the top down perspective. 1132 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:11,199 But yeah, I really enjoyed this game, but I definitely 1133 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,920 shared some of those frustrations. 1134 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,079 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I am getting very frustrated with it. 1135 00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:18,639 But I do think it's telling that I have had 1136 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,079 numerous times now where I've been like, you know what, 1137 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,519 I respect what they're doing, I don't think it's for me, 1138 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,840 and I've like put it down and I've kind of 1139 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,840 just been like finding myself being like hmm, picking the 1140 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,920 steam deck back up and being like okay, and then 1141 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,039 like having a breakthrough and being like ooh, that felt good. Okay, 1142 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,159 And so like that's happened a few times with me, 1143 00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,159 and I think that's pretty telling that, like, it's not 1144 00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,000 one that I'm just putting away. It's still rattling around 1145 00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:42,639 in my craw a bit, and every time I come back, 1146 00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:43,559 I'm rewarded. 1147 00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:46,280 Speaker 3: You know, the lows are low and the highs are high. 1148 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,440 As a result of that, I think. 1149 00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 4: I think the frustrations of truly not knowing where to 1150 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,320 go and getting stuck in a space is a little mean. 1151 00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:58,079 I think there are some things about this game that 1152 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,840 I wish they I understand that they wanted to make 1153 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,559 a difficult game. 1154 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:06,159 Speaker 3: They succeeded in that. I think the heal animation. 1155 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,599 Speaker 4: Is too long, and yeah, it's it's almost brutally long, 1156 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,840 where when you were in a boss fight you should 1157 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,719 just not count on the ability to heal. 1158 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 2: I mean, or it's so long. It's the dark soult thing. 1159 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,119 It's just like, well, okay, this particular attack, he has 1160 00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,119 such a wind up for it or such a recovery 1161 00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:25,800 from it. It's like, this is the time I can 1162 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,719 like get away from him real quick and get a 1163 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,039 heal in. 1164 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 3: You have me on the boss fights I've done, because 1165 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,840 you can't fucking. 1166 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,599 Speaker 4: Heal in some of these boss fights, Dan, I am 1167 00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:34,480 telling you, there are boss fights where you cannot heal 1168 00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:38,480 and like I had to, I was suffering. 1169 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:39,079 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Jake. 1170 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: So this too is like kind of interesting as well, though, 1171 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,880 because like Hollow Night, I would say this is probably 1172 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,000 the best sort of But they have trinkets and there 1173 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:52,440 are ways that sort of change those situations of frustration 1174 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,440 based on the trinkets you are holding. But the thing 1175 00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:58,480 is is like some of those trinkets, like there's one 1176 00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,199 really good one at the end of the crypt that. 1177 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,880 I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people just 1178 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,880 straight up don't get and then they are playing the 1179 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,679 rest of the game without I think the best trinket 1180 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,039 that helped you. There's so many very difficult fights. 1181 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:16,159 Speaker 2: Probably Oh wait, okay, wait, no, I think I might 1182 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,639 have got it. Does it involve it protects you and 1183 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,239 also hurts other things? Nope? Ship did I miss? 1184 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 3: Oh? 1185 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 2: Give me? What did they do? 1186 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 1: Uh? It's big. You have to help a guy. You 1187 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,320 have to help a guy at the end of the crypt. 1188 00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:34,679 Speaker 3: Oh, he's looking for his lover. 1189 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 2: What the fuck is this? 1190 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,760 Speaker 1: It sounds like Mary did this, but. 1191 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,599 Speaker 3: I did it towards it. 1192 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,119 Speaker 2: I gotta go back to the crypt. 1193 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: Go back to the crypt. Maybe check another rum or 1194 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,719 two right before the boss, and you might might. 1195 00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 2: End My God, I wonder if oh that sucks? Wait? 1196 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,039 Is it a thing that helps you recover if die? 1197 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:01,679 Speaker 1: Yes? 1198 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,519 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I think I might have got that. Actually, okay, yeah, 1199 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,079 that's a pretty important thing. 1200 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: Especially in the later areas or the later bosses. I 1201 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,159 don't know how I would have beaten it without that. Okay, 1202 00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,239 I don't know how I would have equipped. 1203 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think I got that then all right, 1204 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,800 is it a vial of sorts? Yes? Okay, Okay, I 1205 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:23,360 think I got it. 1206 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:29,519 Speaker 3: Okay, Dan, you're not fag at all. Let's just say 1207 00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,039 it's a vial that helps you heal. 1208 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,239 Speaker 2: I read the preview Boker three times. 1209 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,800 Speaker 1: You can talk about it. 1210 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're good dancing. 1211 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 3: Around literally describing it. 1212 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 2: I think I think we could if we wanted to, 1213 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:48,440 but we're just not spoiling it. But it is a 1214 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,840 really cool game. I wonder this is a thing where 1215 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,199 I could either fall off two hours from now and 1216 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,360 just be like, I respect it, but it's I can't 1217 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,320 do it, or it could be a thing that I 1218 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,639 pushed through and beat and and it's my favorites of 1219 00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:03,480 the year. Like either way, it's a fun one. 1220 00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 3: Finishing this game. I have put a lot of time 1221 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,440 into this. 1222 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 4: I have sunk so many hours into it, and I've 1223 00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:14,920 there's just a bit of a what do you like 1224 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,840 a sunk cost fallacy at this point where it's just 1225 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,400 like you're so far you got to you gotta see 1226 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,000 it to the end now, Like I'm feeling it. I 1227 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:25,440 am excited. I do enjoy playing it. I look forward 1228 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,760 to playing it. I've had I've had this opportunity where 1229 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,639 I'm like, well, you should really play More Sorrows, and 1230 00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,119 you should really play you know, fortsa Like, there's all 1231 00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:35,679 these things. I keep picking this game up, and I 1232 00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:38,440 think it's an excellent game, probably for being in a plane, 1233 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:40,920 just because it will lend itself to the Steam. 1234 00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 3: Deck so I will have more to say about it. 1235 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,280 Speaker 4: I think it's great, and I think people are going 1236 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,880 to really like this game. That my general consensus is, 1237 00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,559 I think the audiences are going to like this game. 1238 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,960 But I am warning you that this is a tough game. 1239 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, really, just have to push through those first three 1240 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,519 four five hours and just get your Bearings level up 1241 00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:08,719 a bit and just just look yourself in. 1242 00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:09,880 Speaker 3: The mirror and lock in. 1243 00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna fucking go for it. You're gonna throw 1244 00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,199 some bones down the drain, and you just have to 1245 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,159 accept it and move on. 1246 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,159 Speaker 4: Don't read that part of the newspaper. It's almost laughing 1247 00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:20,599 at you. 1248 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:21,639 Speaker 3: It's so mean. 1249 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,159 Speaker 4: It's like, here's this really latest update. Do you want 1250 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:25,440 to how many bones you lost? 1251 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,039 Speaker 3: You're stupid, bitch. You do want to play this game 1252 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:32,679 at all? It breaks my heart. But I apparently also. 1253 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,519 Speaker 4: I did the most difficult spaces first, just to just 1254 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,000 because I hate myself, and I really did. I really 1255 00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:45,320 hated myself. I said out loud, I'm not a good gamer. 1256 00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:48,159 I'm not good enough. I can't do this. 1257 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,320 Speaker 1: I honestly don't know how you managed to do one 1258 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,760 of those dungeons before the knocks buy you or whatever. 1259 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,159 If that was your fourth one, that is crazy. 1260 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,840 Speaker 4: I did the BUYO fourth and if I could do 1261 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,079 it again. And it's funny too, because I was burning 1262 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,639 through the bio you guys, I was like, I was 1263 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,880 zip zapping people. I was just like, you're dead, You're 1264 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:07,239 a dead. 1265 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,639 Speaker 3: I felt like a god in the Bayou because I 1266 00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:15,519 had become so emboldened from these other places. I don't know, 1267 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,559 so I don't know. Maybe maybe the rest of the game, 1268 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,760 you know, we'll get more difficult and I'll feel it again. 1269 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 4: But it's it's been fun going from a sack of 1270 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,119 nothing that is so worthless and can't do anything in 1271 00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:34,119 this game to a pretty formidable warrior. Not just in 1272 00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:37,599 the game right, not just your character building, but me 1273 00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:41,199 the player. I have learned the mechanics of this game 1274 00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:43,480 that I am a better player and I am smarter 1275 00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,400 and I understand it, and I think that is a 1276 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,679 well designed video game, right, Like, I am better for 1277 00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:50,719 what this game has done to me, but I but 1278 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,320 I am scarred from this game. 1279 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'd be hard to argue that this 1280 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,079 is not a good video game. I think you're gonna 1281 00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:58,599 get a lot of people that say it's not for me, 1282 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,760 and that's fine, but I undeniably they had a vision 1283 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,480 with this game and they pulled it off in like this, 1284 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,400 this is a unique video game experience that I'm really 1285 00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:08,559 enjoying poking in. 1286 00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:12,119 Speaker 4: I think young people will gravitate towards this because this 1287 00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:14,000 kind of reminds me of the games that we had 1288 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,800 when we were young. Sure, it's kind of likemind it's 1289 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,840 like hearkening back, not just to like Links Awakening, but 1290 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,920 like the Lion Kings of the World. It was like, 1291 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,800 you're not supposed to finish this. You're not good enough, Timmy, 1292 00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,400 this isn't for a seven year old to get through. 1293 00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 3: This game is going to destroy your self esteem. 1294 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 4: But that's okay, because like, this game isn't really trying 1295 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:35,440 to make. 1296 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 3: Sure everybody finishes it. 1297 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,679 Speaker 4: It's very obvious, as you said, that they knew what 1298 00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:41,280 they were making with this, They're making a difficult game 1299 00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:43,639 that progresses you over time, and there's going to be 1300 00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:44,440 a lot of quitters. 1301 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, just like Tonally, much darker than I expected 1302 00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:52,519 for the main character being a cute little mouse, some 1303 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,679 of those characters, some of the things you come across, 1304 00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:57,239 some of the things you do or I mean not do, 1305 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,159 but like things you know, like I'm like, oh, this 1306 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,880 is this is I don't know if it's heavy because 1307 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,800 it's not heavy dark, but yeah. 1308 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, and kind of pumped up visuals some like cucked 1309 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:11,880 up boss fights. 1310 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,440 Speaker 3: And stuff like that. Oh, can I say something cute 1311 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,000 that happened? 1312 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,960 Speaker 4: I always love little touches that let you know that 1313 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,880 they put a lot of TLC into this game, like 1314 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,280 something you'd see once and then it just you never 1315 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,960 see it again. It's like, well, they made a custom 1316 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,079 animation just for this one thing. Well, there's this area 1317 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,559 where if you drop from the sky, if you drop 1318 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,559 on some leaves, you kind of crush the leaves and 1319 00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:35,920 that helps with mobility and moving around. But the first 1320 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,039 time I did it in this one space, I crushed 1321 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,719 a leaf and the leaf animated and went no, and 1322 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,800 like I broke his leg and he started like crawling 1323 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,079 on the ground to try to get away from me, 1324 00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,119 and then he stretched his arm out and he died. 1325 00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,639 Speaker 3: And then two other leaves come up to him and they. 1326 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,679 Speaker 2: Go, no, oh, wow, you monster. 1327 00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:02,280 Speaker 3: And I'm just sitting there like and they mourn him 1328 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,000 and they won't talk to you because you killed their friend. 1329 01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:08,159 Oh that's great, And they animate this little leaf like 1330 01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:14,760 trying to survive. It's like cheeky, it's dark, it's funny. 1331 01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:16,960 There was so much energy into it, and I don't 1332 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,280 even know why they did it. It's purpose. Rody was 1333 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,039 a character. There's no reason for it. 1334 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:24,679 Speaker 1: It's all that shovel night money. I think, take the 1335 01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:30,199 time they want, you know, the. 1336 01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:34,000 Speaker 4: Opposite of Lazy Doves. There's so much TLC. 1337 01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 3: In this you can feel it. You can feel the 1338 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,280 love in this game. You can see the background animations, 1339 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,800 oh the folly alah. They did a. 1340 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,679 Speaker 4: Good job with the animations and the visual style of 1341 01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:47,159 this game. 1342 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,239 Speaker 3: It's dark and brooding and it. 1343 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,320 Speaker 4: It nails the aesthetic that they were going for. And 1344 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,760 I respect that they put so much energy. Is well 1345 01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:58,480 made game. 1346 01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 1: What what a weapon did you guys? Choose? 1347 01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:02,119 Speaker 2: The flail? 1348 01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 3: Oh? 1349 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, the flail I did too, like a lot. 1350 01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:06,559 Speaker 1: I did the flail and flail. 1351 01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,599 Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't know, like change like the whipping with 1352 01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:12,159 the ball on the Yeah, yeah. 1353 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I have too. It's not it's not 1354 01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:14,719 my favorite. 1355 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,639 Speaker 2: I unlocked the hammer and I haven't really used it much. 1356 01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:19,920 I think I like the range of the flail. 1357 01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,480 Speaker 1: The range of the flail is nice. I've been using 1358 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,199 the daggers though, and I've enjoyed because that is more 1359 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,719 classic zelbit. It feels right even just like sticks out 1360 01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:28,880 the swords, you know, like linked. 1361 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,800 Speaker 3: Yes, you guys, I'm all shield all day. 1362 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,400 Speaker 1: The shield is really good. I enjoyed using the shield. 1363 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,519 Speaker 3: A game changer. I love my shield. 1364 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:40,159 Speaker 1: Oh. 1365 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 4: I will agree that the flail gives you range. The 1366 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,719 shield is a short range, but my god, it is 1367 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,719 such a game changer for boss or anything that you're 1368 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,280 like intimidated by and you're scared. 1369 01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,280 Speaker 3: It just protects you from one hit and like what 1370 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,760 a magical thing, and you can upgrade. Oh my god. 1371 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,559 Speaker 4: I we probably can't talk about it too much, but 1372 01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:04,800 that's my goat. I love that chield. I would probably 1373 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,719 hate this game if it wasn't. 1374 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,320 Speaker 3: When I got that, I was like, Okay, I understand. 1375 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:10,440 I think I can do this now. 1376 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,320 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I got a lot more to play. We'll 1377 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,039 see how I feel about it. We'll see if Mike 1378 01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:18,599 is if they let them play games at camp. Yeah, 1379 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,599 definitely not the last you will hear about that game here, 1380 01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:26,159 but for now, Jake, you and I played some Yoshi 1381 01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:27,039 in the Mysterious Book. 1382 01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:27,199 Speaker 3: Well. 1383 01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 2: I reviewed it. I beat it. I reviewed it on 1384 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,639 giant Bomb, give it four out of five stars. Jake, 1385 01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:32,800 how much did you play of it? 1386 01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:37,280 Speaker 1: I made it through chapter six, so I rolled credit 1387 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,000 the first credits and I unlocked the modular UI thing. 1388 01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:45,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is weird. There's some weird post credit stuff 1389 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,159 you can unlock, just odd stuff for a Nintendo game. 1390 01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:52,199 But I liked it. I gave it four o five. 1391 01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:54,719 At first, I thought I was going to be like, 1392 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,000 this is too kind of kiddy, the same reasons I 1393 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,840 didn't love Yoshi's story back in the day. It's like, 1394 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,960 all right, well, yosh Island on Superintendos, it's like challenging 1395 01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:04,559 great platformer, and then they just really dumbed everything down 1396 01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:07,639 for your story. I was expecting that with this, based 1397 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,480 on the art style and everything. The very storybook esthetic 1398 01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:13,280 and everything, but it's just a totally different type of game. 1399 01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,159 It is a puzzle game. It's an adventure game. It's 1400 01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:19,039 like you're basically filling out like a beast area of 1401 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,519 these creatures inside this book. So it's like you're going 1402 01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:25,840 in and you know, you every level, you go into 1403 01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:27,920 a page of the story book and it's like, here's 1404 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,360 a new creature, and like you'll try to lick it, 1405 01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,119 and then you'll see what that does, and then you'll 1406 01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:34,079 try to pick it up, see what that does, throw it, 1407 01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:36,199 you'll stomp it, you'll do and you kind of learn 1408 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:39,000 what it can do and how it can interact with 1409 01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:41,559 the level, and it's just kind of like an undefined 1410 01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:43,400 end to every level. Sometimes you got to climb a 1411 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,679 tree to the highest point. Sometimes you need to like 1412 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,400 introduce this character to this thing. Sometimes you need to 1413 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,760 eat all of these things or whatever. But it's it's 1414 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,639 just a game about exploration and discovery basically. And I 1415 01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,840 did definitely grow to respect it and enjoy it by 1416 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,360 the end, especially Jake. There's some stuff pet past that 1417 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,079 chapter six that like just does some that's when they 1418 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:05,119 kind of get experimental with some of this stuff, like 1419 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:07,880 there's just some weird, weird levels going on there. But 1420 01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:09,079 have you enjoyed it, Jake? 1421 01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm eager to play more. I made it to like, 1422 01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:15,599 I made it to the credits yesterday, so I have 1423 01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:18,239 not touched anything beyond that because I was tuned to 1424 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,880 the holler, to be honest. 1425 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,960 Speaker 2: But I really liked it. 1426 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think my this is going to sound hyperbolic, 1427 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,480 but I don't mean it to be hyperbolic at all. 1428 01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:29,679 But I've never played a platform or like this before. 1429 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,320 It is like you were talking about, how like a 1430 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,639 lot of the objectives are undefined depending on the level 1431 01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,440 you go to. It's different, but it also doesn't tell 1432 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,639 you what those objectives are when you load in. It's 1433 01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:42,079 just like, yeah, there's a little guy here, and you 1434 01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:44,599 need to interact with the little guy and see what 1435 01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:46,440 the little guy tastes like. And then you show up 1436 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,360 and you're you're eating the little guy, you're throwing the 1437 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,159 little guy, you're like bouncing on the little guy, whatever 1438 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,480 whatever it might be, and you just kind of like 1439 01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:58,199 naturally come up with some like, yeah, this seems like 1440 01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:59,679 what I should be doing, and then you keep doing 1441 01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:01,639 it and all of a sudden it's like, congrats, you 1442 01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:05,920 figured out the puzzle of this area. So I found 1443 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,760 it really compelling to just keep checking out different levels 1444 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:14,000 and seeing what that gimmick would be. And yeah, I 1445 01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:19,119 really enjoyed it. I don't think I I don't think 1446 01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:22,360 I loved it like I would prefer a Mario platformer 1447 01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:24,599 or you know, something of that nature. 1448 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:25,039 Speaker 2: Sure, but. 1449 01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:29,559 Speaker 1: I think I think that's a more interesting direction for 1450 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,079 Yoshi platformers to go than just making it easy because 1451 01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:34,079 it's easy. 1452 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,760 Speaker 2: You know, It's like Mario's got just a straight up 1453 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,920 platforming thing down, You're not going to be Mario at 1454 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,480 a platforming game. Kirby is also a platform but kind 1455 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,480 of has its own whole weird thing of like an 1456 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,400 inhabiting the enemies and things in the environment and floating around. 1457 01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:50,920 It's got a different feel than Mario Yoshi. Like the 1458 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,920 move set is the same. You got the flutter jump, 1459 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,920 you got the stomp, You're eating things, you're throwing eggs. 1460 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,960 It's just the way you were using those is not 1461 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,639 just avoiding or attacking enemy or not falling down holes. 1462 01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,639 It is like poking around at a level and seeing 1463 01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:08,039 what happens. And like some of those are kind of 1464 01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:09,719 like more low key, and then some of them are 1465 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,440 like I kind of compare them in my review to 1466 01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:14,000 like the Donkey Kong Country Mine cart levels where it's 1467 01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,760 like this one is like a weird skateboard looking creature 1468 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,360 that you can kind of surf on and you're on 1469 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,400 the waves and you're going around finding all these like 1470 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,559 little baby skateboards on the ocean and stuff, and it's 1471 01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:25,400 much more kinetic or like, you know, this creature is 1472 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,480 like a hang glider. This one. Like so there's just 1473 01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,440 every level you go into you have no idea what 1474 01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:31,719 to expect in terms of like what these things do 1475 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,320 or what you will be doing with them. So I 1476 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,719 just think variety is probably the game's strongest suit. 1477 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say it not only is it's 1478 01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:42,239 the strongest thing, but like it also, like I was 1479 01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:44,199 saying it, it just keeps me interested, like I wanted 1480 01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:46,079 to keep going just to see what I was going 1481 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:47,480 to see. And I would say some of them were 1482 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,559 definitely duds. I'm trying to think of some off off 1483 01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:53,760 off the top of my head, but there was certainly 1484 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,039 some where I was like I don't really like this gimmick. Thankfully, 1485 01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:58,960 once you're done you kind of move on, like sometimes 1486 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000 those creatures will appear again, but a lot of times 1487 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,199 they just don't. My favorite, though, the Boomerang was a 1488 01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,840 lot of fun and how you like figured out ways 1489 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,239 to upgrade the boomerang and by the end you're like 1490 01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:15,480 really just knocking things down. I that one was really cool. Yeah, 1491 01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:17,920 there's a there ones theber one where you have to 1492 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:22,079 hide from that. That one was crazy because this thing 1493 01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:25,079 is this and it's like, oh, it just killed me, okay, yeah. 1494 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,280 Speaker 2: Because I kept thinking, like, you know, this would be 1495 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,760 a great game for kids, and I still think that, 1496 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,840 but like that one particular level, it's like it's almost 1497 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,480 like a mister X type thing where it's like you 1498 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,880 have to kind of stealt their way around and he 1499 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,039 is going to like just pursue you and kill you 1500 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:39,239 basically in one hit. Yeah. Yeah, and then uh, you 1501 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,239 talked about like some of them, like the Boomerang evolving. 1502 01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:43,840 There's one you can name all these and I named 1503 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,159 this one a flammer because it was like a flower 1504 01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:48,679 hammer type thing and it was like, yeah, it had 1505 01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:51,119 this mouth on the hammer. It's like a king DDD 1506 01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:54,000 hammer and he's like the more you hit bugs and 1507 01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:56,400 butterflies and stuff with it. It eats it, and it 1508 01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:58,280 like starts growing more and more, and then at a 1509 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,320 certain point it grows big enough to where you can 1510 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,199 bring it down on a big boulder, you know, like 1511 01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:03,960 crack the boulder and open up new parts of the 1512 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,840 level and things like that. So it is just it 1513 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,320 is just non stop just discovery, like, oh it does this, 1514 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,039 Oh it does this. Oh that's fun. Oh I didn't 1515 01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:12,840 know I could do that, or like just fun little 1516 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,760 like if I was a kid, like, oh, I'm forty two, 1517 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,279 and I thought it was a ton of fun. I 1518 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,399 imagine like a kid having a blast with it. And 1519 01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:21,640 also it's low stakes. There's no health bar. You're not 1520 01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,359 dying when you fall down a hole. Even when that 1521 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,720 like scary bush thing kills you, you just kind of 1522 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:26,880 get spawned right back. You know. 1523 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,199 Speaker 1: Well you say there's no health bar, but I think 1524 01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,520 that is probably one of the weirder things about it is. 1525 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,880 I don't know how because once you roll credits, you 1526 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,760 unlock the ability to unlock different aspects of the UI 1527 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,319 that weren't present there before. 1528 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,439 Speaker 2: The waveform of Yoshi's heart rate. 1529 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super bizarre. Or like the temperature of this 1530 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,119 or but one of them is a health bar, Like 1531 01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:51,920 you can unlock a health bar, so you can't play 1532 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,600 with a health bar. But even if the health bar 1533 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,760 is empty, from what I understand, you're still like nothing 1534 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,520 really happens. I think Yoshi's animation just changes. 1535 01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:02,359 Speaker 2: It's so good as a pedometer that you unlock. 1536 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, and part of it. I see it, and I'm like, 1537 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,039 this is kind of cool because it it shows an 1538 01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:12,680 extra level of detail to all these little creatures, right, Like, Okay, 1539 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,600 these creatures for some reason have like an internal temperature 1540 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,159 or whatever, or a weight, and like you know, you 1541 01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:24,039 can tell how much they weigh by Like yeah, it's 1542 01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:26,840 it's super bizarre in a way. I almost wish I 1543 01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:29,560 think our reviewer at GameSpot talked about this, Steve Watts, 1544 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,359 but I almost wish I could unlock some of that 1545 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:34,439 stuff sooner, just to kind of get a better grasp it, 1546 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:39,439 like what these creatures meant in the world. Like one 1547 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,399 thing I love about There's many things I love about 1548 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,039 Breatha well, but one of the things I really love 1549 01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:44,880 about it is like each item kind of has its 1550 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,199 own identity and its own use within that world and 1551 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:50,680 interactions with interactions, and Yoshi has this too, but it 1552 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,960 feels like a light version of that. But then you 1553 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,880 start seeing all these extra details that have gone into 1554 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,000 these items, and it's like, man, I kind of wanted 1555 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,359 to know that sooner. I guess maybe not. Maybe if 1556 01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:02,760 I had it up front, I'd be like, what the 1557 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,079 hell is this? Why do I need to know? 1558 01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:04,359 Speaker 2: The way? 1559 01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:08,600 Speaker 1: It's a very interesting, like postgame mechanic. 1560 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,399 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, it's I mean interesting is the word 1561 01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:12,800 I come up with this game lot, because like I 1562 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,479 think a lot of previous Yoshi games post Yoshi Island 1563 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,079 have not even been interesting. Like there's Wooly World and 1564 01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:20,479 Crafted World and stuff like that, which are not bad 1565 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,159 games because they're still Nintendo first party platformers. They're like, 1566 01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,720 they're beautiful, they're they're solid platforms, but there's not anything 1567 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,840 particularly interesting about them. This is a game where it's 1568 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,399 like pretty much every level there's something where I'm like, 1569 01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:34,720 oh that's interesting. Oh okay, that's cool. I didn't expect that. Like, 1570 01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:38,039 I think this is a really cool new approach to Yoshi. 1571 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I hope that's what Yoshi games are 1572 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,479 going forward, because I like Yoshi. I like the character. 1573 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,960 It's one of my best characters in Smash Bros. So 1574 01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,520 you know, I've got respects for the little Green Dinosaur. 1575 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,640 But I've like, you know, like you're saying, the modern 1576 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,880 Yoshi games, I've not been able to get through, and 1577 01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,680 this is the first one where, you know, since way 1578 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,720 back where I was like compelled to keep playing, and 1579 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,479 I do want to go back and play those extra 1580 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,840 chapters and see what's there. 1581 01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, cool stuff, Mary. What is Forbidden Solitaire? 1582 01:11:13,359 --> 01:11:16,119 Speaker 3: Forbidden Solitaire was recommended. 1583 01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,199 Speaker 4: To me last episode by Vinnie, and he's right, it's 1584 01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:28,039 pretty fun. Forbidden Solitaire is a solitaire bass but it 1585 01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:30,119 also has FMV videos. 1586 01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:31,600 Speaker 2: Oh I see y Vinnie was playing it. 1587 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,359 Speaker 3: Okay, give you like a nineteen ninety five CD ROM. 1588 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,800 Speaker 2: All right, this is all sounding Vinnie. Okay. 1589 01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:44,439 Speaker 4: That also has dark scary elements where the way the 1590 01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,840 game opens is on a desktop and so you click 1591 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,000 on the game to play it. But you also have 1592 01:11:50,079 --> 01:11:52,640 instant messager with some family members and they're like, I 1593 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,399 can't believe you're playing Forbidden Solitaire. I'm looking up all 1594 01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,159 the cool stuff about that game. Can you believe they 1595 01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,399 don't sell it anymore because of what happened in as 1596 01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:03,920 they're sending you like videos and images of like behind 1597 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,039 the scenes. Ultimately, like, as you progress through the game, 1598 01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:11,760 there's something very sinister going on with the developers who 1599 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,640 constructed this game. There might be something like evil or 1600 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:19,600 like messed up about the actual foundation of the game. 1601 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,720 You watch a review, which I think would be funny 1602 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,760 if you watched, because it's one of those classic like 1603 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,800 pretend to be a nineteen ninety five video game review. 1604 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,720 Speaker 2: Oh the Dream, Yeah. 1605 01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:31,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's like he's like, I couldn't even finish 1606 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,279 the game because of these late game bugs. It's actually 1607 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:38,199 ply problematic, but it's like very funny to like watch 1608 01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:41,960 how they reconstructed what they thought game reviews were like 1609 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:42,760 in the nineties. 1610 01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:46,760 Speaker 3: It's fun. It's a bit repetitive. You are just straight 1611 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,199 up playing. 1612 01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:50,279 Speaker 4: So every time you know you'll be in this dungeon, 1613 01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:52,159 it'll be like you don't know where to go, or 1614 01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:56,319 there's a there's a great without a key and you 1615 01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,720 got to find the key, or there's a monster that's attacking. 1616 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,600 Speaker 3: It's like, well, better play solitaire. When you play solitaire, 1617 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,039 and if you win, you get through the situation, and 1618 01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:08,119 if you lose you die. 1619 01:13:09,039 --> 01:13:10,920 Speaker 4: So I'm playing a lot of solitaire, but they try 1620 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,760 and mix it up with like cards that are maybe 1621 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,520 they have vines on them, or maybe you have to 1622 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,079 click on them three times, or there's cards that hurt you. 1623 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:20,239 Speaker 3: I like that. 1624 01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:23,319 Speaker 4: In a boss fight, it's actually not about winning solitaire. 1625 01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:29,000 It's about getting enough cards each turn because cards are your. 1626 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 3: Weapon against the boss. 1627 01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:33,279 Speaker 4: So you actually at some point want to be like 1628 01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:34,680 I want a new solitaire game. 1629 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,439 Speaker 3: It's not about you completing this solitaire game. It's about 1630 01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,520 you getting a lot of cards in one turn to 1631 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,399 do damage. 1632 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,960 Speaker 2: Did the look of this? I'm looking up some images 1633 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,239 like they nailed that? Did they make like fake ads 1634 01:13:47,279 --> 01:13:49,000 and stuff for this, Like this looks incredible, like the 1635 01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:51,119 box are and all like that. They are nailing that. 1636 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:52,840 Speaker 3: They did, and they do a lot. 1637 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,920 Speaker 4: Remember I told you that your family member messages you 1638 01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:57,960 and is like, You've got. 1639 01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,840 Speaker 3: To check this video. They have spoofs of TV shows 1640 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:06,079 back in the day, where like a television show host 1641 01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:09,920 would be like, you've heard that maybe some video games 1642 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,239 can make you violent, but if you ever heard of 1643 01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:16,239 a video game that kills you. Tonight, we're gonna discover 1644 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,439 a bitten solid and so it's a going It's like 1645 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,760 that old vibe of like a TV show that's investigative 1646 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,760 reporting games. It's obviously all actors. 1647 01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:28,399 Speaker 4: But it's it's silly and cheeky enough that I kind 1648 01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,119 of bought it and I just I don't know. I 1649 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,640 think this game sets out what it wants to do 1650 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,520 in a fun way. It has really fun gimmicks. There 1651 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,720 are these upgrades that you can buy with points that 1652 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,039 you get in the game, and they're gems, and the 1653 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,039 gems get embedded into your hand, like they go into 1654 01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:46,800 your skin and into your nails and stuff. 1655 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,119 Speaker 3: It's kind of fucked up, like it's it's been a 1656 01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:51,640 fun ride. I haven't finished it. 1657 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,760 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm probably pretty close. I likely I 1658 01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,359 have a big plane ride coming up, and I think 1659 01:14:56,359 --> 01:14:59,159 it's gonna be one for the plane ride for me 1660 01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:00,319 to just mess with. 1661 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:00,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 1662 01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:06,079 Speaker 3: It's it's been a joy. Vinnie was righter. 1663 01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:08,800 Speaker 2: If it sounds that seems like a good Yeah. 1664 01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:13,560 Speaker 1: What if you don't like Solitaire, I'm just like it's 1665 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,199 just very Solitaire focused on. 1666 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,039 Speaker 4: It does some again, you know, like there's some changes 1667 01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:23,359 to it, like on the regular ones, you're trying to 1668 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,039 win a regular game of Solitaire. 1669 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,039 Speaker 3: I think that this game takes liberties. 1670 01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 4: It's obvious to me that in certain areas that they 1671 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,000 have designed it so that you're going to get through 1672 01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:35,840 it right. They're gonna give you a card that's plus 1673 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,800 one or minus one of what you need, which I appreciate. 1674 01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:45,119 But there's these upgrades that allow you to destroy. There's 1675 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,840 like this one card that allows you they're like bonuses. 1676 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,640 They're kind of like jokers in uh elatro, and so 1677 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,199 you could pick it and it'll just be like, I'm 1678 01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:57,560 gonna lightning strike three random cards to get rid of 1679 01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,800 them for you so you can win faster. Or there's 1680 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,159 one that are like I'm gonna turn over six cards 1681 01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:05,640 that you know what they are and you can plan accordingly. 1682 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 3: And I've enjoyed the. 1683 01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:15,920 Speaker 4: Little additions that they've made that spice up Solitaire so 1684 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,159 I don't just feel like I'm playing Solitaire. There's also 1685 01:16:20,279 --> 01:16:23,840 like mini games too. There's this creature that is stalking 1686 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,680 you and you're hiding from it, and so when you 1687 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,800 play Solitaire to hide from this creature, there's a cone 1688 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,560 of vision, and you can't play cards in the cone 1689 01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,560 of vision because it'll seem Yeah, so it's like it 1690 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:36,880 messes with it. 1691 01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:39,399 Speaker 3: Ultimately, you're playing a shits on a Solitaire. 1692 01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:40,960 Speaker 4: So if you don't like Solitaire, don't fucking play this 1693 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,000 miserable good then you're gonna like it. 1694 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,159 Speaker 3: That's probably how I would sell it. Then, if you 1695 01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,880 like Solitaire, I think you're gonna like Forbidden Solitaire. If 1696 01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,039 you don't like Solitaire, no, this isn't for you. I 1697 01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:56,199 don't know how long it is, but I'm suspicious that it's. 1698 01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:58,439 Speaker 4: Not super long. But I actually think it's gonna overstay. 1699 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,279 It's welcome if it's much longer. To me, I I 1700 01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:04,840 am totally getting what it's trying to do. And uh, 1701 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,359 there's already been like some spoopy voiceovers in the game 1702 01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:11,479 that I think we're not you know, they weren't meant 1703 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,680 to be in the final version of This is a 1704 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,279 game that they're saying we we planned for you to 1705 01:17:17,279 --> 01:17:19,880 play this game. This is a game within a game, 1706 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,439 if that makes sense, And so it's clear that they're 1707 01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,840 starting to say something's wrong with the game that you're playing. 1708 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:33,720 Speaker 1: Sure sounds a lot like Inscription, just based on describing 1709 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,359 the story side of it. 1710 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,319 Speaker 3: I suppose it's inspired by for Sure. I think it's 1711 01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:41,359 going to start breaking the fourth wall soon and I'm 1712 01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:42,039 excited about it. 1713 01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:45,159 Speaker 4: So anyway, I think it's good. It's I'm still yeah, 1714 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,319 I haven't completed it yet, but I do think it's 1715 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:54,680 a great solitaire scary esque, you know, fun nineties adventure 1716 01:17:55,119 --> 01:17:57,239 that I that I've I'm glad that I bought it. 1717 01:17:57,279 --> 01:17:59,560 Speaker 3: It wasn't that expensive either. I think it was. 1718 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,520 Speaker 4: Like my last sell to you is I think there 1719 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,119 was a there was a bundle and if you already 1720 01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,600 own the other game in the bundle on Steam, you 1721 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,840 just get ten percent off and so you. 1722 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,479 Speaker 3: Just like get it for cheaper. So I love when 1723 01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,680 you can do that on Steam. Can we talk about 1724 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:17,399 that for a second. 1725 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,439 Speaker 4: You already own a game and it's in a bundle, 1726 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,000 just gives you ten percent off the game. 1727 01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:22,479 Speaker 3: Such a sick deal. 1728 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:23,399 Speaker 2: Nice. 1729 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,000 Speaker 3: You wouldn't know because you got that cool fucking account. 1730 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,319 Speaker 2: I'm paid for games in two thousand and five, I 1731 01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:29,640 don't know. 1732 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,560 Speaker 4: I am find bargoons in this world, and you can 1733 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,840 get a good deal on this game, and even when. 1734 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,399 Speaker 2: They're free, you pay for them. So you know that's 1735 01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,319 your THINGU can better not be. 1736 01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:41,640 Speaker 3: On game pass. 1737 01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:46,159 Speaker 2: I don't think anything is anymore? All right, that's forbidden Solitaire. 1738 01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,800 That sounds awesome. I do want to check that out. 1739 01:18:50,079 --> 01:18:53,720 We let's pull the uh, let's pull the mixtape ripcord here. 1740 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,800 This seems to be the one that's dominated exhausting, stupid 1741 01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:02,760 internet discourse for a while now. Mary, you mentioned that 1742 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,880 you did go into it last episode. Your thoughts do 1743 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,399 you want to give me the I know you don't 1744 01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:09,840 want to rehash, but like your general feelings on. 1745 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,840 Speaker 4: It, I mean my TLDR, I think and I played it. 1746 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,359 I thought about it a little bit more since the 1747 01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,319 last time I talked about it. I praised the soundtrack 1748 01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,039 is great, and I think it's like a fun little 1749 01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:25,600 romp of a day in the life of kids, you know, 1750 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,680 young coming of age film that you get to like 1751 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:29,760 mess around with. 1752 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:32,600 Speaker 3: I liked it. 1753 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,399 Speaker 4: I think it's not everything pulled at me the way 1754 01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,560 I was hoping it would. And I think it's because 1755 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,600 some of the mini games or whatever it is that 1756 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,760 you're doing, they're so passive. I didn't get to have 1757 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,520 a very deep connect connection because I didn't feel like 1758 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,479 I was doing very much gameplay. It would be stuff 1759 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,680 like painting a door that's not super that's not going 1760 01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,359 to push me to be like, wow, I feel like 1761 01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:59,680 I was there some of that mini games. I just 1762 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,439 didn't think we're that engaging yet. 1763 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,800 Speaker 2: That i'd like it, Like like things like the you know, 1764 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,760 the head banging and hitting buttons to head bing. Does 1765 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:08,479 that do anything for you? 1766 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,279 Speaker 4: I think that sometimes when it came to the connection 1767 01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:17,479 with music, I was more likely to be interested in 1768 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,840 the game because I really liked the track. I've been 1769 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,720 listening to the to the mix on Spotify. It's fun 1770 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,199 to listen to the Devo song. 1771 01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:28,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, all the hits of the Night of nineteen ninety nine, 1772 01:20:28,399 --> 01:20:31,840 Divo enjoy Division. It's what everybody was listening to ATRL 1773 01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:34,119 was nothing but Devo in nineteen ninety nine. 1774 01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,920 Speaker 3: I get to like expand your worldview to the fact that, like, 1775 01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:40,159 when you're a kid, you probably listened to all sorts 1776 01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:41,039 of different everything. 1777 01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:43,039 Speaker 2: I listened to us from the sixties. Yeah. 1778 01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a it's a fun little escapism. Uh No, 1779 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,680 I didn't think that was. And you know what, I 1780 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,399 had a friend who was like so obsessed with the 1781 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,800 drunk tape picking out minigame where you're like drunk and 1782 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,079 you're like, I got a find a tape. I also 1783 01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:00,319 thought that one was like a little two pass where 1784 01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:02,680 I was like, well, I'm not doing anything, I'm just. 1785 01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,079 Speaker 3: Drunk and stumbling around in a store. I think that 1786 01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:10,000 sometimes I want a task to complete, I want to 1787 01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:12,199 be good at something. My favorite one was when the 1788 01:21:12,279 --> 01:21:15,720 kids were talking and I was skipping rocks on a 1789 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,399 stream and I was able to like skip it through 1790 01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,359 the tire. 1791 01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,680 Speaker 2: Things. Yeah, the rock things that you can knock over 1792 01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:25,319 and stuff like that. 1793 01:21:25,399 --> 01:21:27,359 Speaker 4: There are things to accomplish, and I think that's when 1794 01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:31,520 I felt the most invested in the game. So anyway, 1795 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,439 but I did, Actually, I do like this game and 1796 01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,920 I recommend it heavily for people who are looking for 1797 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,880 a story based adventure game with a rock and soundtrack. 1798 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:43,880 So that's kind of how I walked away from it. 1799 01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,640 It's just not usually my forte to play something like this. 1800 01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:50,199 Speaker 3: I believe, uh, I'm just going to assume here you 1801 01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:51,079 don't love it. 1802 01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:55,720 Speaker 2: Dan, So my experience with it was I did not 1803 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,359 expect to love it. I you know, I just narrative 1804 01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:01,079 games in general. I don't like. It's not really what 1805 01:22:01,119 --> 01:22:04,640 I moved towards. But as I was playing it, I 1806 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,840 was too I was on a plane and I was 1807 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,439 playing it, and I found myself going into that Dan 1808 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,520 mode I've gone into before, where I'm just like, God, 1809 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,279 best fucking some bah, God, this isn't even blah blah 1810 01:22:16,279 --> 01:22:19,680 blah blah blah. And there was a world in which 1811 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,039 I just kind of like quit the game there and 1812 01:22:22,079 --> 01:22:24,279 then went on and ah, man, this say, you know, 1813 01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:26,119 like just ranted and raved about it and everything. And 1814 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,720 I made the decision not to do that. I was like, listen, 1815 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,960 I can I remember. I still remember read Ded Redemption 1816 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,119 two when I hated it so much, and I went 1817 01:22:35,119 --> 01:22:37,039 on the Game of the Year thing and I was 1818 01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:39,079 sitting next to Gershmann and I was just saying like, Oh, 1819 01:22:39,079 --> 01:22:41,399 it sucks, shit, it's fucking it's blah blah blah. And 1820 01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,880 Gershman said something along the lines of like, Dan, you've 1821 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,560 done this for over ten years, use your words, And 1822 01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,680 He's right, I should have been able to do that then. 1823 01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:51,079 Now I've been doing this over twenty years, I should 1824 01:22:51,079 --> 01:22:53,079 definitely know how to fucking describe the things I don't 1825 01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:57,159 like about this game. Yeah, Tonally, I did not like it. 1826 01:22:57,159 --> 01:22:59,279 It you know, I know it's pulling up the nostalgia 1827 01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:01,840 thing quite a bit. I was kind of annoyed at 1828 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,479 some of the stuff, like insisting that like this was 1829 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,960 everyone's teenage nineties experience, and I was like, no, this 1830 01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:08,279 is not the type. 1831 01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:13,720 Speaker 3: Of that external reviews impacted you. 1832 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,159 Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, no, I'm talking about no, no, no, I'm talking 1833 01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,159 about when the character turns in the first minute of 1834 01:23:18,199 --> 01:23:20,800 the game, and the character turns to the camera and 1835 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,399 looks at the player and says, soon you won't be 1836 01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,960 listening to music. You're gonna be listening to who you were, 1837 01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,720 And then a bunch of stuff happened that is nothing 1838 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,119 like it has ever happened in my life ever before, 1839 01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:32,920 and I was like, shut the fuck up. So it's 1840 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,600 like it was just like one thing like that after 1841 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,199 another where I said, get out of your ass, Like 1842 01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:39,840 I just fucking like, I was getting really annoyed. I 1843 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,560 hated his characters, like I. 1844 01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,920 Speaker 3: Would have thought that Jeff Gersman has had you grow 1845 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,039 as a game reviewer. 1846 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,880 Speaker 2: Progress ship. It's get out of your ass, Get out 1847 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,119 of your ass. You know, I'm describing my first changed 1848 01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:54,039 yeh yeah, yeah. 1849 01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're telling me you never ram from the cops 1850 01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,319 while on a shopping cart. 1851 01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:00,560 Speaker 2: No, I talked myself out of trouble with the cops. 1852 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:06,960 Yeah speech no, no, it was like they went that way. 1853 01:24:07,119 --> 01:24:12,520 Yeah yeah, yeah. I would have hated all these characters. 1854 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,039 I this was not my experience at all. I was 1855 01:24:16,039 --> 01:24:18,600 not ever an angsty kid or anything. So all this 1856 01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,640 like coming of age anks stories and stuff do nothing 1857 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,199 for me. I can't relate to them whatsoever. I did 1858 01:24:25,239 --> 01:24:27,199 like the soundtrack, like, I mean, like like as much 1859 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:29,600 as they say, like, oh, these aren't the actual songs 1860 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,640 that were like popular, and they're like that's a good 1861 01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,800 devo track. That's like there's some good choices there. I like, yeah, 1862 01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,359 totally totally. But it reminded me of like like it's 1863 01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:40,359 the reason I don't like Baby Driver, that movie where 1864 01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:42,640 it's like I like Edgar Wright, but that movie. I 1865 01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:43,920 just felt like it was like. 1866 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,560 Speaker 1: There was a better reason not to like it, but 1867 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:46,600 sure is there. 1868 01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,079 Speaker 2: Just I just think it was like the playlist thing, 1869 01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:50,920 like it feels like he's trying to show off his 1870 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,800 eclectic playlist, you know, like what's your reason Kevin's facey 1871 01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:58,159 oh shit, I forgot. He was like yeah that's not good. Yeah, yeah, 1872 01:24:58,199 --> 01:24:58,840 he's no good. 1873 01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1874 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,319 Speaker 2: I just it just felt very like I'm gonna show 1875 01:25:05,319 --> 01:25:08,199 off my eclectic you know, and my taste. Like like 1876 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,720 it felt like people making the game weren't that far 1877 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,000 off from the main character in that they always have 1878 01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:17,239 to insist, like, you know, here's why this next track fits, 1879 01:25:17,399 --> 01:25:20,880 like the character explaining why this next track will fit 1880 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,680 the mood of the scene. It's like show, don't tell. 1881 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,439 I just like and I know people are gonna say, like, well, 1882 01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,600 this character is supposed to be pretentious. She's supposed to 1883 01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,560 be kind of this know at all, you know, music 1884 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,159 snob and stuff like that. She's not supposed to be 1885 01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:33,199 like well, but it still doesn't make me enjoy the game, 1886 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,640 and none of my complaints or any of the like 1887 01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,039 I hear that a lot of the dipshit, you know, 1888 01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:40,359 discourses that like this isn't even a game, This isn't 1889 01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,359 I've never been that guy, you know, Like I liked 1890 01:25:42,399 --> 01:25:44,000 Gone Home a lot when it came out, Like I'm 1891 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,720 not a like a game doesn't have to be this 1892 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,199 or that or anything like that. I just found like 1893 01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:49,760 this is a tone piece. 1894 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,319 Speaker 3: This is always like pretentious. 1895 01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,800 Speaker 2: I thought it was pretentious. I didn't like the characters. 1896 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,720 I didn't like the story. Yeah, I thought it was pandered. 1897 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,039 I thought it was also like a pandry nostalgia thing 1898 01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:01,840 where it's like that's why it's like stranger things annoys me, 1899 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,840 where it's like, hey, remember the eighties, Like I just think, say, yeah, okay, 1900 01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,520 we don't like. I just find that shit really annoying. 1901 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,960 And also like some of the stuff I disliked about 1902 01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,199 Red Dead too, where it's like, Okay, I like game. 1903 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,479 The thing I like in games is agency and discovery. 1904 01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,119 Always bring this up and I'm talking about you know, 1905 01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,119 Breath of the Wild, or we're talking about with Mina. 1906 01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:19,960 I like to be able to explore as a player, 1907 01:26:20,319 --> 01:26:22,840 and it's like, you know, I'd be like walking slowly 1908 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,800 around her house whatever, and I'd go to go down 1909 01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,760 the stairs and she'd be like, can't Bill yet, And 1910 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,239 then it's like, oh, great, I gotta go look at 1911 01:26:29,359 --> 01:26:32,039 six polaroids or whatever, and hear this witty dialogue before 1912 01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:32,680 I can move forward. 1913 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:36,920 Speaker 3: It's like you're trying the game, You're trying to like it. 1914 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,000 What do I need to accomplish to get you to 1915 01:26:39,039 --> 01:26:39,880 shut the fuck up? 1916 01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:41,840 Speaker 4: Which is like the kryptonite of a game like this 1917 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,279 which is all about being like, we want you to 1918 01:26:44,399 --> 01:26:47,079 enjoy what it's like to be in the room of 1919 01:26:47,119 --> 01:26:49,359 a team, which I think is like something you just 1920 01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:50,680 have no desire to. 1921 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,760 Speaker 2: Do and not not these characters. Like No, I wouldn't 1922 01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,600 hung out with any of these fucking dorks. No, I 1923 01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,199 just I, Yeah, it's hard when it there's a tone 1924 01:26:59,239 --> 01:27:01,720 piece and a narrative thing in a really character based thing, 1925 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,279 and I just don't like any of the tone or 1926 01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:06,720 the characters. That's just kind of a it's gonna be 1927 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:07,720 a non starter for me, you know. 1928 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,760 Speaker 3: So I respect this opinion. I do. 1929 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,840 Speaker 4: I think it's like it's not your cup of tea. 1930 01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:15,399 I can see why you are not gravitating towards it, 1931 01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,720 and I also like, I think we're we are vibing 1932 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,079 in one way of there's a there's an era for 1933 01:27:22,119 --> 01:27:25,239 this game that people can enjoy because it's nostalgic and 1934 01:27:25,279 --> 01:27:28,159 it makes you feel connected. If you don't feel that connection, 1935 01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,399 this game is dead in the water. I think it 1936 01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,000 we completely would not connect with a part it did 1937 01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:36,159 connect with me. I absolutely tried to score Booze when 1938 01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:36,800 I was a teen. 1939 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,399 Speaker 3: This is the plot of many of my. 1940 01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:41,960 Speaker 2: Weekends I'm calling the cops right now. I don't know 1941 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,560 what the statute of limitations is on that one second. 1942 01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like one hundred percent what I was doing. 1943 01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:48,960 I was like trying to score drugs, Like I was 1944 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,960 like all in. I was like, where do we get 1945 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,640 like the craziest things we're allowed to get as children? 1946 01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,479 Speaker 3: And I and I was bad. I agree with you. 1947 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,960 Speaker 4: I think the main character was a little rough around 1948 01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:03,399 the edges. I think there was this time when she 1949 01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,479 was explaining that she doesn't respect motorcycles because they're loud, 1950 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,840 and she was like, you have to earn your loud, 1951 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,800 and I would like, yeah, do you know how engines work. 1952 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,119 It's very difficult to construct them. They've earned that loud, girl, Like, 1953 01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:20,079 you don't get to decide that a rock album is 1954 01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:21,720 allowed to be louder than a motorcycle. 1955 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:22,039 Speaker 1: Anyway. 1956 01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:25,039 Speaker 4: It's like I can feel that tension. But I actually 1957 01:28:25,119 --> 01:28:27,000 had a girlfriend in high school that was like really 1958 01:28:27,079 --> 01:28:29,000 obnoxious about her music choices. 1959 01:28:29,079 --> 01:28:30,960 Speaker 3: So I also was like, I get it. 1960 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,359 Speaker 4: This just reminds me of like really fucking annoying music friend. 1961 01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:36,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, but even if it's accurate, you know, even if 1962 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,039 that is what people were like that doesn't make it 1963 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,560 enjoyable necessarily, at least not like maybe you enjoyed being 1964 01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,119 reminded of that friend, I just get annoyed by it. 1965 01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:46,760 And like, also, I am someone who is very nostalgic, 1966 01:28:47,239 --> 01:28:49,640 like for that era. Everything on this fucking floor of 1967 01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,279 this house is from the eighties or nineties. You know. 1968 01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:54,960 I've got numerous CRTs and shit like a fucking an alien 1969 01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,600 back here, a tech and poster like I live basically 1970 01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,960 in like nineteen ninety eight. I'm watching old ass wrestling 1971 01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:02,640 all the fucking time. But that's how I like to 1972 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,279 engage with my nostalgia. Is I like to revisit the 1973 01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:08,399 actual thing, Like if I were to watch like a 1974 01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:09,960 fucking like I don't think I ever saw that was 1975 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,760 that Adam Sandler Pixels movie. Like I don't just want 1976 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,279 to be like, hey remember bleep bloop, you know, like 1977 01:29:15,359 --> 01:29:17,680 this is like I I want to just do the 1978 01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,720 actual thing. I don't want to be reminded that it 1979 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,880 exists or that things used to be, Like I don't 1980 01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,000 see a polaroid and it's like fuck yeah, you know 1981 01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:27,640 it's this is not how I like to engage with 1982 01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,319 nostalgia and certainly not with characters like this, but I 1983 01:29:31,359 --> 01:29:37,119 am curious. Well before I started it, Jake, i'llly you 1984 01:29:37,239 --> 01:29:39,640 use the same praising you use with me if you 1985 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,800 would like to, But I, uh. 1986 01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:46,079 Speaker 1: I wanted to peel my skin off as I was 1987 01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:49,159 listening to the characters talk. Yeah, it did not do 1988 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,000 anything at all for me. I think, Dan, you're just 1989 01:29:54,399 --> 01:30:00,039 very succinctly and well like explained why you didn't like it, 1990 01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:02,840 and I agree with a lot of what you said. 1991 01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:06,640 It just didn't. It didn't click with me. I I 1992 01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,600 like some of the music, and I like the visuals 1993 01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,199 some of the some of the segments I thought were 1994 01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:16,319 really like well done and well choreographed. And you know, 1995 01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:19,279 as we've been saying, I think the whole like, well, 1996 01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:21,880 it's a gamers and not a game, doesn't matter, that's irrelevant. 1997 01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,279 Who cares if it's if you think it's a game 1998 01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:25,720 and you like it cool, if you like it, you 1999 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,479 know it doesn't that that is like the least interesting 2000 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,800 thing to talk about with this game in my opinion. 2001 01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:34,960 But yeah, I I didn't finish it. I got about 2002 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,479 I think halfway through. Uh, but I just couldn't. I 2003 01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,079 couldn't listen to those characters anymore. 2004 01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:40,039 Speaker 2: It. 2005 01:30:41,079 --> 01:30:43,399 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because, like my high school experience 2006 01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:48,880 wasn't in the nineties, but like I still I when 2007 01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,399 I was in high school, all I listened to was 2008 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:55,720 nineties music, so I enjoyed some of the soundtrack there, 2009 01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,279 but like it just it just it just didn't connect 2010 01:30:58,319 --> 01:31:01,640 with me at all, and on any level, I would say, 2011 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:07,840 on any level, yeah, but I get why people really 2012 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:14,439 like it. I suppose. Yeah, that's sort of been my thing. 2013 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,880 You know, like our reviewer really liked it. I know, 2014 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,319 like it's reviewed really well and it's really connected with 2015 01:31:19,359 --> 01:31:20,760 some people, and there's some people in the Game Spot 2016 01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:25,039 office who really enjoyed it, and I get it, but like, 2017 01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,760 oh man, those characters. 2018 01:31:27,359 --> 01:31:29,560 Speaker 2: Just they're just awful. 2019 01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:31,359 Speaker 1: Couldn't I couldn't get through it. 2020 01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, like teenagers in general are just awful. These seem 2021 01:31:34,199 --> 01:31:35,800 like just terrible teenagers. 2022 01:31:36,319 --> 01:31:39,039 Speaker 1: I would say, I don't think this comparison probably means 2023 01:31:39,039 --> 01:31:40,600 anything because I don't think you guys played it, But 2024 01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,880 I played Dispatch last year, which is sort of similar. 2025 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,880 I would say that's more episodic. That's more like tell 2026 01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:51,039 Tale games, where you're making decisions that eventually funnel into it, 2027 01:31:51,079 --> 01:31:53,319 so like I definitely have an appetite for these kinds 2028 01:31:53,319 --> 01:31:56,920 of games. I like these narrative style games. But also, 2029 01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:00,000 like you, I played one episode of Life is Strained 2030 01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:01,880 and I felt the same way where I was like, 2031 01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,399 I cannot stand any of these characters. I do not 2032 01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,000 want to hear any of them talk for a long 2033 01:32:07,039 --> 01:32:12,159 time or ever. And but like, I think that's kind 2034 01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:14,199 of what it is though. Is it just like my 2035 01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:16,880 high school experience wasn't like this. Therefore I was not 2036 01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,880 able to connect to this. And I think what's even 2037 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,600 weirder too, is like these are supposedly high school kids 2038 01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,359 in California, right, Like they're talking about like one of 2039 01:32:25,359 --> 01:32:27,399 the friends, right is going to like UCLA. It's not 2040 01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:30,000 called UCLA, but it's basically UCLA. So it's like all 2041 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,439 this stuff is like in my realm. I went to 2042 01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,800 high school in California. I had friends who went to UCLA. 2043 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,760 I tried to get you know, like I I think 2044 01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:39,880 it should be more up my alley than it is. Right, 2045 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:40,840 it just didn't do it for me. 2046 01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I think is there all reasonable takes 2047 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:46,960 on this game? 2048 01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:50,239 Speaker 4: I agree, I think they're all reasonable takes. I think like, 2049 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:56,319 it's interesting that the gradingness of a kid character can 2050 01:32:56,399 --> 01:32:59,640 like break us into whether or not the game is 2051 01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,279 except And. 2052 01:33:03,079 --> 01:33:05,000 Speaker 3: I wonder if that game. 2053 01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:07,960 Speaker 4: Would have been better received by this crew if they 2054 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,079 had picked different character archetypes. 2055 01:33:13,239 --> 01:33:15,760 Speaker 1: Perhaps. I also just think it's so hard to write 2056 01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:22,279 convincing teams. Yeah, and I think whichever archetype you pick, 2057 01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,720 it needs to be well written. And when you're trying 2058 01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,279 to do that with teens, it's just like, I don't know, 2059 01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:30,319 Like some of the slang they were saying. I was like, 2060 01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:34,000 did people say this? I don't think so, Like there 2061 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,159 were some things that I'm sure they did, but other 2062 01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:39,560 things it was just like, yeah, I don't know. I 2063 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,079 know it was I think it was written and developed 2064 01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:44,239 by an Australian team, right, So, Like I wonder if 2065 01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:47,439 maybe some of that slang is just slanging that I 2066 01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,600 didn't experience. And I didn't grow up in Australia, you know, 2067 01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,479 I missed. I didn't didn't have that, you know. Yeah, 2068 01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:52,880 I don't know. 2069 01:33:53,359 --> 01:33:55,359 Speaker 2: I would rather hang out with any of these characters 2070 01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:57,399 than with anyone who wants to yell on Twitter about 2071 01:33:57,399 --> 01:33:58,239 what a game has to. 2072 01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:03,359 Speaker 1: Be though, So yeah, I'll agree to that absolutely at 2073 01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:04,680 least they could probably you know. 2074 01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:10,119 Speaker 2: Party character yep. So all right, all right, that's didd Mike. 2075 01:34:10,279 --> 01:34:11,520 Did Mike talk about it last time? 2076 01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:12,560 Speaker 1: He loved it? 2077 01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh Mike loved it? Yeah, okay, cool, all right, 2078 01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:21,079 that is a mixtape. A couple we can kind of 2079 01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:24,079 touch on here. I'll just mention real quick FORTSA. I've 2080 01:34:24,279 --> 01:34:27,279 played maybe six or seven hours of it right now, 2081 01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,199 and it's very very good. It's good enough where I 2082 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:33,239 assembled the whole wheel situation again, and that's a lot 2083 01:34:33,239 --> 01:34:36,520 of fun. It's it's horizon, it's it's better than ever 2084 01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,960 in that it's toned down the music festival, DJ, social 2085 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,600 media bullshit, and it is just driving cool cars through 2086 01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,920 Japan and everything looks incredible and feels incredible. It's just 2087 01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,960 got a lot of fun types of different race types 2088 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,880 and things like that. Just so fun to look at 2089 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,479 the map and point out a thing and be all right, 2090 01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:54,720 I'm gonna do that event, I'm gonna do this event. 2091 01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:56,560 I'm just gonna drive around the country and break these 2092 01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,800 mascot things and signs and stuff like that. It's just 2093 01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,439 it's impossible to be bored playing this game. It's just 2094 01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:04,399 so expertly made. It's exactly what I would want out 2095 01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:06,600 of a racing game, like not like there's like three 2096 01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:07,520 tiers of racing games. 2097 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:07,720 Speaker 1: To me. 2098 01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,920 Speaker 2: There's like cart racers, which are their own thing, and 2099 01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,520 I love that. There's sim things. There's the Grand trismos 2100 01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,199 in the Forts and motorsports of the World, which are 2101 01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:16,880 not for me because I don't really give a shit 2102 01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,760 about cars, and then there's Horizon, where it's like, yeah, 2103 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,359 it's real cars, it's all realistic and everything, but it's 2104 01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,520 arcadie enough and like I don't need to actually give 2105 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,399 a shit about the cars or go in and tune 2106 01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,239 the drive train or anything like that. I can just 2107 01:35:28,319 --> 01:35:30,840 drive around and have a good time and it doesn't 2108 01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,239 get better than Horizon. And this is about the best 2109 01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:35,800 I've played in a long time at least, so very 2110 01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,119 much enjoying that. 2111 01:35:37,119 --> 01:35:37,640 Speaker 3: That's great. 2112 01:35:38,079 --> 01:35:41,479 Speaker 4: I heard that there's really good hidden stuff, like if 2113 01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,359 you go off road or you find like a little 2114 01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,960 I don't know, like you see a shed or something, 2115 01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:52,640 or you see an off trail and you go down it, 2116 01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:53,800 you're usually rewarded. 2117 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:55,960 Speaker 3: Have you had any of those experiences? 2118 01:35:56,199 --> 01:35:57,720 Speaker 2: I Mean, most of what I've found so far has 2119 01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,520 just been like, yeah, here's the hidden signs, here's the 2120 01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,000 XP thing. There's like different like mascots and stuff, like 2121 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,840 here's like a little moky mascot or something, or here's 2122 01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,279 this little ramen bowl and these are kind of scattered across. 2123 01:36:07,319 --> 01:36:09,439 And then there's the occasional like barn finds and stuff. 2124 01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:10,920 It's like, oh, I found this old classic car and 2125 01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,399 a barn on a hill or something. So yeah, it's 2126 01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,520 like on those times that you're not specifically doing oh 2127 01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:17,840 this rally race or this delivery mission, like you can 2128 01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,800 drive around and you don't feel like you're wasting time 2129 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,359 because you'll find that stuff and level up and stuff 2130 01:36:22,359 --> 01:36:24,680 like that. So it's yeah, just just a tremendous game. 2131 01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,079 Speaker 1: So cool. 2132 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:31,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Mary, you finished Gecko Gods. Yeah. 2133 01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:34,760 Speaker 4: I talked about this when I first started it several 2134 01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,600 weeks ago, and it's just been in my steam deck. 2135 01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,279 Speaker 2: Oh this one, Yes, that's right, Okay, I remember seeing this. Yeah. 2136 01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:43,840 Speaker 4: People also compared this to win Waker because it's like 2137 01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:46,920 visual based puzzles that you do as a Gecko, and 2138 01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,960 then you get a fun little boat and you travel 2139 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,359 to different islands to do all their visual puzzles. 2140 01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:53,520 Speaker 3: Well, I finished it. 2141 01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,840 Speaker 4: I completed every puzzle on every island. It's just such 2142 01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:03,119 a cathartic brain scratching puzzler. I did a couple of 2143 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:06,079 times get pretty stuck because I just didn't know what 2144 01:37:06,119 --> 01:37:08,119 the game wanted me to do next. And when that happens, 2145 01:37:08,199 --> 01:37:12,720 you spend like forty minutes just you know, pitter pattering 2146 01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,359 around on this island hoping that somebody will tell you 2147 01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:17,520 what the fuck to do. And that can be a 2148 01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,479 little draining. But other than that, I loved the puzzles 2149 01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,439 and they got pretty fun towards the end. There's like 2150 01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:26,479 balls that you need to get into a socket and 2151 01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,439 then you have to roll them with your little gecko 2152 01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:32,119 body to get into the space, and so they put 2153 01:37:32,119 --> 01:37:34,960 them into puzzles. The final puzzle is a good head 2154 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,640 scratcher with an elevator and power, and so you have 2155 01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,680 to like turn the power on and off to like 2156 01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:42,520 make sure that you can use the elevator and ride 2157 01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,359 it at very specific times to get where you need 2158 01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:47,159 to go. I rolled credits on it, and I said, 2159 01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:49,319 that was a really nice experience, and I'm glad that 2160 01:37:49,359 --> 01:37:53,479 I finished it. So really just a final reminder that 2161 01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:57,319 this game is a simple yet fun puzzle game. 2162 01:37:57,359 --> 01:38:00,880 Speaker 3: I think it's great for airplane or something where you 2163 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,159 just want to do a little visual puzzle, or what 2164 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,279 I love to do is play a game. 2165 01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:08,119 Speaker 4: While you're also half watching TV. Perfect for that because 2166 01:38:08,119 --> 01:38:12,039 you don't have to really pay attention and get it done. 2167 01:38:12,119 --> 01:38:14,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, I really enjoyed Get Go Nice. 2168 01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,840 Speaker 2: And finally, Jake, you're playing Pokemon Champions. 2169 01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, though, before I get to that, I do 2170 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:25,079 want to say I played a Creature Kitchen as per 2171 01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:28,560 Man's recommendation a couple of weeks ago, and I loved it. 2172 01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,760 I thought it was so good, very clever, didn't outstay 2173 01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,880 as welcome. I thought the aesthetic was great, the creatures 2174 01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,520 are cool. I enjoyed it a lot. So I just 2175 01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,399 wanted to, you know, shout that game out because because 2176 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:43,039 I thought it was great. 2177 01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,239 Speaker 2: It was a universal I think all four of us 2178 01:38:45,319 --> 01:38:45,880 like that one a lot. 2179 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it one. 2180 01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:50,000 Speaker 3: It's silly, isn't it. I love a creative game like 2181 01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:53,439 that where you're it's not it's not scary, but it's 2182 01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:57,640 kind of eerie. Like I actually screamed once playing. I 2183 01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,520 didn't expect that thing to be in the tree. I 2184 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,640 think I had a good aesthetic to it. I'm glad 2185 01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:03,720 you played it and liked it. 2186 01:39:04,119 --> 01:39:09,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Pokemon Champions, I have been playing a 2187 01:39:09,319 --> 01:39:11,000 lot of this. I probably won't say a whole lot 2188 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,800 about it, but this is basically just a battle simulation 2189 01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,880 from the Pokemon games, although it is on a competitive level. 2190 01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,760 They do dailies, so I kind of clock in every 2191 01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:26,600 day through some battles and put it down. They just 2192 01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:29,439 had a new season, and the new season's pretty bad. 2193 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,600 It's a terrible battle pass that doesn't get you anything. 2194 01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,479 They didn't add any new items Pokemon. There's probably kind 2195 01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:41,239 of like, you know, deep in the weeds here, but 2196 01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,399 that's kind of been my game. I've been returning to 2197 01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,079 quite a bit. But like there's this is something that 2198 01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:53,880 people have wanted for so long, like a competitive Pokemon 2199 01:39:54,039 --> 01:39:57,279 online battler that is official, that can be played at 2200 01:39:57,279 --> 01:39:59,680 tournaments that you can return to. You don't need to 2201 01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,159 wait four or five years for the next Pokemon game 2202 01:40:02,199 --> 01:40:05,840 to come out before you can try different metas, try 2203 01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,359 different teams. Uh, and it streamlines it all so it's 2204 01:40:08,359 --> 01:40:10,439 so much easier to train Pokemon. It's so much easier 2205 01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,000 to put together a team. So it gets a lot 2206 01:40:13,039 --> 01:40:18,560 of things right, but the the live service model, they 2207 01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,840 have not nailed at all, and I really hope they're 2208 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,760 able to kind of step things up, especially if this 2209 01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:29,199 is supposed to be the the official platform for competitive 2210 01:40:29,279 --> 01:40:32,960 Pokemon going forward, which I know is like over everyone's head. 2211 01:40:33,359 --> 01:40:35,199 I know you guys don't care too much about that 2212 01:40:35,239 --> 01:40:38,640 sort of thing, but it has been. It has been 2213 01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,880 my main investment, and it is I've been. 2214 01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,920 Speaker 2: It's my private hobby. Yeah, I don't like yeah, advertising incredible. 2215 01:40:44,399 --> 01:40:47,399 Speaker 3: High trade cards like crazy. 2216 01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:52,119 Speaker 2: Oh I got a level six go, that's just yeah. 2217 01:40:52,039 --> 01:40:54,000 Speaker 1: Hey is a pretty good pull, you know. 2218 01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:57,319 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, don't. 2219 01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:59,680 Speaker 1: You know, like you didn't say Pikachu. 2220 01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:01,319 Speaker 2: No, oh no, that's a scrub. 2221 01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, who's that? 2222 01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 2223 01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:07,479 Speaker 1: Who knows? Anyway, not a lot to say on that 2224 01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,960 other than live service woes. 2225 01:41:10,399 --> 01:41:12,000 Speaker 3: Sure, live service woes. 2226 01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:14,880 Speaker 2: All right, Well I believe that will be it for 2227 01:41:15,039 --> 01:41:17,479 our games this week. You guys want to move on 2228 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:23,800 to emails, sister, excellent? All right, we've got emails here. 2229 01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:26,359 I'll put out a call for some more emails here. 2230 01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:28,920 I went through and grabbed a handful. But we could 2231 01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:30,800 be we could use a replenish. People want to send 2232 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,760 in their questions too. Oh no, Mike usually knows this. 2233 01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,000 I think it's fire Escape Cast at gmail dot com. 2234 01:41:37,039 --> 01:41:39,399 Does that sound right to you? To fire Escape cast 2235 01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:41,079 at gmail dot com. Yes, I just saw it. Okay, 2236 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,920 there you go. That is the one. Send in your questions, 2237 01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:47,319 all of it. Yes, with the with the cast. We 2238 01:41:47,399 --> 01:41:53,079 have a handful here. First one, what's up, Billy crudup? Uh, Mike, 2239 01:41:53,159 --> 01:41:55,279 what kind of wines have you been drinking lately? That's 2240 01:41:55,279 --> 01:41:57,520 Carter from Virginia. Oh no, why do we read that 2241 01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,359 on this He's not going to be able to talk 2242 01:41:59,359 --> 01:41:59,880 about it. 2243 01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:01,319 Speaker 3: That's a shame. 2244 01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:07,039 Speaker 2: Oh well, geez, Okay, okay, let's go home. Move on. Okay, 2245 01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:10,199 how's it going, Julie Bowen? Sorry, Mike, I'll leave the 2246 01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:12,840 impeccable intros to you. I just want to know if 2247 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,520 any of you all have had a video game company 2248 01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,199 you dreamt of working for as a kid in the 2249 01:42:16,199 --> 01:42:18,279 two thousands, I fantasized about getting a job, but never 2250 01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:21,039 Soft Rest in Peace. Behind the scenes videos and the 2251 01:42:21,079 --> 01:42:22,680 Tony Hawk games made it look like such a fun 2252 01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,520 place full of cool people. Love you, guys. Charles from 2253 01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,119 Philadelphia that is a great answer, Charles, because yeah, they 2254 01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,079 the Tony Hawk games. Those early ones always had those 2255 01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:34,920 cool they had the Baales videos and behind the scenes stuff. 2256 01:42:35,039 --> 01:42:37,920 And what's his name Josh Jewett or a Jewel Jewett 2257 01:42:38,199 --> 01:42:40,159 guy that retired and probably Gott did a great story 2258 01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:42,039 about him recently. He just like lives in the mountains 2259 01:42:42,079 --> 01:42:44,279 in Nevada or something, And it just seemed like the 2260 01:42:44,319 --> 01:42:47,600 coolest team of guys that just like you know, skater culture, 2261 01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,800 really laid back, but also these geniuses making like one 2262 01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,119 of the best game series of all time, Like they 2263 01:42:52,119 --> 01:42:56,479 are way way up there. I think back then I 2264 01:42:56,520 --> 01:43:00,359 probably would have said single track that was where David 2265 01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,520 Jaffi and Scott Campbell made stuffing basically Twist the Metal, 2266 01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,560 Twist Metal one and two specifically, because it just seemed 2267 01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:10,119 like such a you know, thirteen year old kids dream 2268 01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:12,479 idea of, like what ice cream truck shot Mitchels and 2269 01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:14,840 you could run over kids are swimming like it's just 2270 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,840 like dumbest shit ever. I wonder now looking back, that 2271 01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,600 would actually be like a really obnoxious working environment, the 2272 01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,560 ones I really loved and always wanted e GM. I mean, 2273 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,800 these these aren't game developers, but Electronic Gaming Monthly and 2274 01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,079 Game Informer, like the ones were like you would read 2275 01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:31,760 about the editors and the shit they did in the 2276 01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,399 office and stuff like that, and you have silly photoshops 2277 01:43:34,399 --> 01:43:36,560 of the editors at the beginning of the issues, and 2278 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,039 it's like that was always the culture I wanted to 2279 01:43:39,079 --> 01:43:41,479 work in, and uh yeah yeah, And it turned out 2280 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,520 the Game Informer was a really good one. Not Rockstar 2281 01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:48,439 or Nintendo. They both seemed fucking weird and bad always 2282 01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:51,439 to work for and don't want to do that at all. 2283 01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:54,640 So that's that was a note go. So how about you, guys, 2284 01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,920 I was going to say, so I would. 2285 01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,560 Speaker 1: Say Game Informer as well. I remember getting that magazine 2286 01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:03,840 as a kid, and you know, flipping through those pages 2287 01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,279 and seeing everyone on staff and being like, that's where 2288 01:44:06,279 --> 01:44:08,319 I want to work. I would say Game Studios. Not 2289 01:44:08,359 --> 01:44:11,560 as much, however. I remember seeing the Halo two behind 2290 01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,520 the scenes documentary that came with like the Collector's Edition, 2291 01:44:15,079 --> 01:44:17,079 and I thought it would be pretty cool to work 2292 01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:21,840 with people who also love and play Halo. I think 2293 01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:25,159 I haven't seen that doc in a while, but I remember, 2294 01:44:25,399 --> 01:44:27,960 or I vaguely remember it showing like people like sleeping 2295 01:44:28,039 --> 01:44:30,680 under their desk during like the build up to like 2296 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,560 launch that game and that stuff was you know, you're 2297 01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:35,359 a kid, you're naive. I didn't even think about it, 2298 01:44:35,399 --> 01:44:37,520 but I was like, yeah, I want to work at Bungee. 2299 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,079 Speaker 2: I mean that was always like presented as like this 2300 01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:43,520 like romantic, like look how passionate they are. They sleep 2301 01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:44,600 under their desk. 2302 01:44:44,359 --> 01:44:46,720 Speaker 1: And like they would to make the best game ever. 2303 01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,199 Speaker 2: Themselves. Would put that out like behind the scenes things 2304 01:44:51,239 --> 01:44:53,199 like look how much we love this shit we sleep here. 2305 01:44:53,359 --> 01:44:55,600 It's like, wow, it's crazy, which that's changed. 2306 01:44:55,640 --> 01:45:00,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve year old us were like dream job ever? 2307 01:45:00,279 --> 01:45:02,760 Speaker 2: Want to leave the office. 2308 01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,960 Speaker 4: I don't know if I ever as a child was 2309 01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,279 like I got to work for this game. 2310 01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't. 2311 01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,840 Speaker 3: How dare you bring up my worst game? My name's 2312 01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:22,279 on that. Hell Yeah, working for a publisher is hard, 2313 01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,000 and it's it really does rip all the joy out 2314 01:45:25,039 --> 01:45:25,359 from you. 2315 01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:30,039 Speaker 4: It's funny when you do work in games, how much 2316 01:45:30,039 --> 01:45:33,439 you're like, man, there's a lot of bad in this place. 2317 01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:34,800 There's a lot of people being like, how do we 2318 01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:40,920 extrapolate more money from people? The games in that publisher 2319 01:45:41,239 --> 01:45:46,239 house Zoo, were designed to always be on sale so 2320 01:45:46,279 --> 01:45:48,760 we had a price point when we were constructing them 2321 01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:52,439 to say, Okay, if we sell them for five dollars, 2322 01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,239 we're making a profit. So we'll list them for ten 2323 01:45:55,359 --> 01:45:59,439 and have them be endlessly fifty percent off, because that 2324 01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,960 scratch is an itch in mostly parents' brains. 2325 01:46:03,039 --> 01:46:04,960 Speaker 3: It's like, it's fifty percent off, let's get it. 2326 01:46:05,239 --> 01:46:05,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 2327 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,960 Speaker 4: We designed the game to be profitable at fifty percent off, 2328 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,520 so that that made money. And so you're just buying 2329 01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,640 a really shitty game with intention. That's probably a more 2330 01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:19,560 egregious answer. That was such a bad experience. But when 2331 01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:21,359 I was child and like I was like playing like 2332 01:46:22,119 --> 01:46:24,680 or just really old games on my game gear, I 2333 01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:28,600 remember like feeling like the Sega logo and that company 2334 01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:31,600 was so iconic and how cool it would be to 2335 01:46:32,119 --> 01:46:34,359 work for a company like Sega. But I never like 2336 01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,800 looked it up or even like went to their website. 2337 01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:38,319 I just don't know if I was that in when 2338 01:46:38,399 --> 01:46:38,920 I was a kid. 2339 01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,159 Speaker 2: So they were super sleeping under their desks. 2340 01:46:41,239 --> 01:46:47,319 Speaker 3: Yeah I think they were. Yeah, Well, it's a shame 2341 01:46:47,359 --> 01:46:49,199 I never really got into it and applied. 2342 01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:55,079 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the email, Charles H. We got 2343 01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:57,520 one from Austin at Missouri. Here, Hey pals, what are 2344 01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,000 some of your favorite needle drops and movies? And why? 2345 01:47:00,079 --> 01:47:02,439 I no spoilers, but I watched twenty eight years Later 2346 01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,520 The Bone Temple yesterday and I prompted this thoughts so good. 2347 01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:08,079 I've been, We've been, Me and Hanson have been trying 2348 01:47:08,079 --> 01:47:10,640 to find a night to watch it for months now, and. 2349 01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:14,439 Speaker 3: I'm curious what you think of it because I before, okay, 2350 01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:16,479 and you liked the one before I liked it. 2351 01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,199 Speaker 2: I mean, zombie movies have never been like my thing, 2352 01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,399 but I remember like seeing twenty years Later that was 2353 01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:25,079 that was a good movie. Yeah, I like, yeah, it. 2354 01:47:25,359 --> 01:47:26,439 Speaker 3: Getting so crazy. 2355 01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had more of an X factor. I guess 2356 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,600 that I was into. 2357 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,439 Speaker 4: Okay, they took the script of what zombie movies are 2358 01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,560 supposed to be and they were like, throw that away. 2359 01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,600 We're going on this crazy tangent with this guy with 2360 01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:45,359 his dong out. It's gonna be ninety dong. I hope 2361 01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:47,439 you're cool with that. And it's like it does have 2362 01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:48,479 a good needle drop. 2363 01:47:48,279 --> 01:47:51,680 Speaker 1: Though it does okay, but I think my favorite. 2364 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,760 Speaker 3: We should explain what a needle drop is. 2365 01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:56,960 Speaker 2: I think we had to google it. It's uh, I'm 2366 01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,279 assuming it's non diegetic, right, it's stuff that like, oh, 2367 01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,720 it's the baby Driver thing right where it's just like, yeah, 2368 01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,560 we're just playing these big songs during all these scenes 2369 01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,479 and into this big I've bet Marvel movies do this 2370 01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:09,079 a lot, right. 2371 01:48:09,319 --> 01:48:11,960 Speaker 1: I think it could be both, Like I think you 2372 01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,479 could probably make a case for either. But in my head, yes, 2373 01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,600 it's usually like moments where like the cool guy kicks 2374 01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,760 in the door, right and the music plays and then 2375 01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:20,520 it's you know. 2376 01:48:21,039 --> 01:48:22,760 Speaker 2: The first thing I thought it was, well, I guess 2377 01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,000 this was diagetic, so I guess, yeah, digetic probably counts. 2378 01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,159 But Bad to the Bone and Terminator two, it's just like, yeah, 2379 01:48:28,279 --> 01:48:30,960 that is the most just like that is so tied 2380 01:48:31,039 --> 01:48:33,359 to that scene and it's so fitting for that scene, 2381 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:34,680 Like that's pretty good. 2382 01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:40,520 Speaker 1: Fuck uh, this one's classic. But I always think of 2383 01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,720 it whenever I hear the song, So I imagine that's probably good. 2384 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:51,319 But Apocalypse, now this is the you know, like that's 2385 01:48:51,359 --> 01:48:53,840 a lot, like that has a lot, but like that 2386 01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:56,600 scene that is like imprinted into my brain. 2387 01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,640 Speaker 2: Just blames the napalm on the Oh my god, Waited 2388 01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,960 sets the tone of a movie better than any opening 2389 01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:04,840 I've ever seen before, Like, oh, this is gonna be 2390 01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:05,880 a fucking thing, isn't it? 2391 01:49:06,079 --> 01:49:11,640 Speaker 4: Like these aren't uh brain busting examples like these are 2392 01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,840 like the perfect examples to make it, make us hammer 2393 01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,479 home to you what these are. And when you hear 2394 01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:20,039 this song, you might be like skyrocketed into this movie 2395 01:49:20,079 --> 01:49:23,840 like Reservoir Dogs Stuck in the Middle with You is 2396 01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:26,960 the iconic. I can't hear that song on a radio 2397 01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,199 without thinking about that fucking scene. 2398 01:49:29,039 --> 01:49:29,960 Speaker 2: Ears getting cut off. 2399 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's fucked up, and it's like such a 2400 01:49:33,039 --> 01:49:33,520 such a. 2401 01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,520 Speaker 2: Like happy goss, Michael Madson's having a lot of fun there. 2402 01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,399 Speaker 3: Oh, but he takes the ear and he goes hello. 2403 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,359 I think he's such a little freak in it. He's 2404 01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:49,159 joking the whole time while he's you know, uh hurting someone. 2405 01:49:49,359 --> 01:49:52,600 I think that's a classic, probably example of it. 2406 01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:55,600 Speaker 2: Tarantino's pretty egregious with it, but like, I don't know. 2407 01:49:56,079 --> 01:49:57,720 Speaker 3: He does it in every one of his films. 2408 01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,279 Speaker 2: He doesn't give else. 2409 01:50:00,319 --> 01:50:02,439 Speaker 1: Some are just like all right, you're just doing your fit, 2410 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,359 you know, like, but some are really good. 2411 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,319 Speaker 2: That's the difference where it's like, yeah, like Edgar Wright, 2412 01:50:06,399 --> 01:50:08,079 it was just one thing after another, and it didn't 2413 01:50:08,119 --> 01:50:10,359 really feel like with like Tarantinos. It feels like he 2414 01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:12,840 can just do Like kill Bill has a lot of 2415 01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,960 these that don't let me be misunderstood. Is incredible. It 2416 01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,479 was a fight without honor or whatever. Like kill Bill 2417 01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,800 has a ton of these that are that the motorcycle one, 2418 01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,920 the ing like that one, although I guess that wasn't 2419 01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:26,640 like a pop song, which I guess that's probably more 2420 01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:30,600 what a needle drop is. But oh, big Lebowski, when 2421 01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:32,039 what condition my condition was in? 2422 01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:33,840 Speaker 3: That's a great one. 2423 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:34,640 Speaker 2: I love that one. 2424 01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, I think Scorse. I mean maybe this is 2425 01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:41,359 not oh this is yeah, but I think Scorsese does 2426 01:50:41,359 --> 01:50:43,039 this well. But the one I always think of is 2427 01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:48,720 The Departed that opens up to the stones, give me shelter. Yeah, 2428 01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:52,199 it's like showing like Boston at the time. And then 2429 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:55,920 in that same movie, I think, when is it DiCaprio, 2430 01:50:56,039 --> 01:50:58,960 one of them goes to prison, uh, and they start 2431 01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:03,600 playing the drop Kick Murphy and that I remember. I 2432 01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,880 hadn't heard that song before until I saw that movie 2433 01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:07,920 and it started playing and I was like, whoa this 2434 01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,720 is I gotta get on this. And I started listening 2435 01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:10,960 to drop Kick Murphy's because of it. 2436 01:51:11,239 --> 01:51:14,159 Speaker 2: I do love Yes. Corsesees are awesome because like, yeah, 2437 01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:16,680 it's give me shelter like once or twice in The Departed, 2438 01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:18,159 and then there's a part in the bar where they're 2439 01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:20,039 playing let it Loose by the Stones, and I was like, man, 2440 01:51:20,079 --> 01:51:21,920 this guy loves the fucking Stones. I get it. And 2441 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,720 then I watched like Mean Streets, which is from the seventies, 2442 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:26,720 and it's like it's got rolling stones stuff all over 2443 01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:28,560 and say, all right, dude loves the Stones. Can't get 2444 01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:32,800 Calton for that. H all right, thank you, Austin. 2445 01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:37,680 Speaker 3: Finally I have one more yes, Sean of the Dead 2446 01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:38,640 Don't Stop Me. 2447 01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:39,039 Speaker 2: Now. 2448 01:51:39,399 --> 01:51:43,159 Speaker 3: It's like one of the best because not only is 2449 01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:46,119 it a good tune and they're killing zombies to it, 2450 01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:51,159 but they actually like beat zombies to the beat of it, 2451 01:51:51,239 --> 01:51:54,479 where they'll be like, yeah, don't stop me. They're like 2452 01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:58,319 actually beating people with pool sticks. And I think that 2453 01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,600 is very iconic for me because it's funny, it's a 2454 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:05,159 zombie movie, it's action, it's slapstick, and it's a damn 2455 01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:05,760 good song. 2456 01:52:06,279 --> 01:52:08,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that Gore right as well, And so 2457 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,800 like I think he maybe just like saw how good 2458 01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:12,600 that was, and it works so well in Sean of 2459 01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:14,560 the Dead, and then maybe just got a little overheal 2460 01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:18,880 with it. But Shohna the dad, it works fantastic, all right? 2461 01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:22,319 Final email? Hello, how do you all deal with the 2462 01:52:22,359 --> 01:52:25,399 constant onslought of recommendations for games, books, movies, and TV 2463 01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:27,640 shows from peers, friends or family. I feel like it's 2464 01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,199 become more and more common for people to drop the 2465 01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:32,000 whole you should really play, read, watch, et cetera. This 2466 01:52:32,039 --> 01:52:34,800 because I liked it, lying and conversation. For some reason, 2467 01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:38,119 it's extremely exhausting to me. There's so many apps like letterboxed, 2468 01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:40,479 websites like backloged, and I'm tired of keeping tabs on 2469 01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:43,039 what I should and shouldn't spend my time on. How 2470 01:52:43,079 --> 01:52:45,319 do you pick what you actually follow through on? Checking 2471 01:52:45,319 --> 01:52:48,239 out in your free time? I love the show. You're 2472 01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:51,319 a wonderful, funny group of friends, Freddy. I like that question, Freddy. 2473 01:52:51,359 --> 01:52:54,279 Thank you. That's the thing. Yeah, anyone who spends any 2474 01:52:54,279 --> 01:52:56,159 time on the internet, well, first rule with them is 2475 01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,439 if anyone starts trying to yell at you about what 2476 01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:04,159 Animated wasan don't listen to them. Holy shit. Anime fans 2477 01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:07,560 oh my fucking god. Like all of us have an 2478 01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:09,399 honeslot of this stuff all the time. The time I 2479 01:53:09,399 --> 01:53:13,359 had an anime podcast, the fucking novel length emails, you'd 2480 01:53:13,399 --> 01:53:15,079 get like, Oka, you gotta do this, but then only 2481 01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:16,840 do this or can this? It's like, oh my god, 2482 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:18,880 don't listen to anime fans. 2483 01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:24,159 Speaker 4: They'll just be like, listen to more anime, watch all anime? 2484 01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:26,760 What do you mean you haven't watched one piece? And 2485 01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:28,079 it's like, get out of here. 2486 01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:30,199 Speaker 2: It's only seven thousand episodes. 2487 01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and just pretend that this character is not fourteen. 2488 01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:37,159 Speaker 2: And actlete, you know, yeah, exactly, Yes, ignore them. 2489 01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:41,199 Speaker 3: I think like the most boring answer is that I 2490 01:53:41,279 --> 01:53:44,760 go with my gut of what I'm actually interested in 2491 01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,279 at the given time. I really try not to. 2492 01:53:47,239 --> 01:53:50,199 Speaker 4: Watch something just because it was recommended. I do try 2493 01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:52,560 and keep a notes document, but that doesn't mean it's 2494 01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:54,359 gonna be the next thing I watch. That's a mistake. 2495 01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:56,600 That's a mistake, and that's not what you should do. 2496 01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,119 You should be trusting your gut for the genre that 2497 01:53:59,159 --> 01:54:01,039 you're interested in it, and then when you're interested in 2498 01:54:01,039 --> 01:54:03,239 that genre, you should go into your backlog and be like, 2499 01:54:03,239 --> 01:54:05,199 oh my gosh, I've been waiting. 2500 01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,920 Speaker 3: To watch a drama. Yeah, and so I'm going to 2501 01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:13,079 watch this big. Just because everyone and their brother is 2502 01:54:13,319 --> 01:54:17,600 telling you to watch this like very, very dark and 2503 01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:22,199 depressing based on a true story movie does not mean 2504 01:54:22,279 --> 01:54:25,119 that's what you should be watching. After a long Tuesday, 2505 01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:26,439 you know, in. 2506 01:54:26,399 --> 01:54:31,279 Speaker 4: Your precious two hours, give yourself the room to say 2507 01:54:31,279 --> 01:54:35,199 to yourself, what vibe am I in for? And then 2508 01:54:35,399 --> 01:54:37,560 pick that thing that you've been recommended for so that 2509 01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:39,039 you're not ruining your fucking night. 2510 01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:44,159 Speaker 3: I've had I am very horror. 2511 01:54:46,079 --> 01:54:49,119 Speaker 4: I'm into like any recommendations of horror, and I feel 2512 01:54:49,159 --> 01:54:50,359 like it all the time, and so I have this 2513 01:54:50,399 --> 01:54:53,399 big backlog of horror. I can't always watch it, but 2514 01:54:53,479 --> 01:54:57,159 if I'm interested, I go into my backlog and I 2515 01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,199 start watching horror. But there are days where I'm like, 2516 01:54:59,239 --> 01:55:02,119 I need a comedy. I need a comedy and I 2517 01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:03,600 and I don't want to worry about it too much. 2518 01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:05,640 It's gotta be a sitcom. I'll go into the backlog 2519 01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,880 and I'll find a sitcom comedy that's what I recommend doing. 2520 01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:11,119 Speaker 2: Or sometimes you want a short movie, sometimes you want 2521 01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:12,760 a long one. Sometimes you want to turn your brain 2522 01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,279 out of Thing Bank and I have a shared doc 2523 01:55:15,319 --> 01:55:18,439 where it's like, Okay, the biggest column is just Dan 2524 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,479 Bonk movie Night, and that's just all these movies we 2525 01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,600 want to watch together, Like when it's movie night. That 2526 01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:24,239 is the like, you know, we never look at our phones. 2527 01:55:24,319 --> 01:55:26,359 That's the lights down. We're watched on the big, big 2528 01:55:26,399 --> 01:55:29,920 screen downstairs. You know, like that's a dedicated night. And 2529 01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:33,000 then there's like, Okay, here's the high column. These would 2530 01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:34,840 be good to watch when you're high. Here's a Dan 2531 01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,760 solo column where it's like, Okay, she doesn't she's not 2532 01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:40,600 gonna watch this or whatever. Here's background. So if we 2533 01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:42,279 just want to like be on our steam decks and 2534 01:55:42,359 --> 01:55:44,479 just have something on in the background, it's like, okay, 2535 01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,479 we could rewatch Arrested Development or something like that, you know. 2536 01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,199 I The thing with recommendations with me is like, yeah, 2537 01:55:51,239 --> 01:55:53,800 we do get so many being on podcasts and stuff 2538 01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,199 like that that I just have like kind of like 2539 01:55:56,199 --> 01:55:57,880 a short list of like there are certain people in 2540 01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:00,319 my life that have just had a good track record 2541 01:56:00,439 --> 01:56:03,199 of introducing me to things I would like. I account 2542 01:56:03,359 --> 01:56:07,359 everyone on this podcast, Mary Jake, Mike Mike. Mike has 2543 01:56:07,399 --> 01:56:10,680 a great sense too, of like he likes a lot 2544 01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:12,840 of stuff passionately that he just knows that I'm not 2545 01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:14,680 going to like, and so like he's not going to 2546 01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:18,239 give me the hard sell on something, but like something careful. 2547 01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to be careful with Mike because he'll 2548 01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,560 have art art picks and I'll be like, I watched it. 2549 01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:26,079 I have no idea what I watched, but it was beautiful, 2550 01:56:26,119 --> 01:56:28,600 and he'll be like, can't you believe how incredible that was? 2551 01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:31,520 And I'll be like, oh, yes, But like I have to, 2552 01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:34,279 I have to be really focused. When Mike gives me 2553 01:56:34,439 --> 01:56:37,159 a recommendation, it's usually very thoughtful. 2554 01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:40,199 Speaker 1: I definitely, I think to dance point, I definitely have 2555 01:56:40,279 --> 01:56:43,439 like certain people that I look to or like hear 2556 01:56:43,479 --> 01:56:46,840 out their recommendations, and some people I don't. Maybe not people, 2557 01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:51,000 just but like if I don't have if someone who's 2558 01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:56,159 recommendations I trust doesn't recommend something to me, then I'll 2559 01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,760 probably not see it or watch your plant. I would say. 2560 01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:04,239 With my books, whenever Mike recommends it, yes, usually did that, I'll. 2561 01:57:04,119 --> 01:57:04,640 Speaker 2: Pick it up me. 2562 01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:08,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll read it. I even the ones that he's 2563 01:57:08,359 --> 01:57:12,079 recommended that I haven't liked, I've still like enjoy, like 2564 01:57:12,119 --> 01:57:14,960 I feel like I've gotten something out of it. So 2565 01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:18,760 I would say like him for books especially, UH is 2566 01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:21,319 someone I look toward. But I think another key thing 2567 01:57:21,479 --> 01:57:25,039 is like do a little research. I guess like I 2568 01:57:25,039 --> 01:57:27,800 don't know, Uh. I feel like, you know, like Dan 2569 01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,920 saying we're getting recommendations constantly being on podcasts, or just 2570 01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:32,439 like people saying you gotta play this, you got to 2571 01:57:32,479 --> 01:57:35,000 check this out. And sometimes I'd be like okay, and 2572 01:57:35,039 --> 01:57:36,760 then I'll just google it and I'll be like, Nope, 2573 01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:39,359 this is not for me. This is a bunch of teenagers. 2574 01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:40,560 I'm good, you know. 2575 01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:44,359 Speaker 3: And I wonder if, based on this listening of this podcast, 2576 01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:48,239 if people's takeaway is to play or not play mixtape 2577 01:57:48,279 --> 01:57:51,199 right would be based on our individual. 2578 01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:54,880 Speaker 4: Personalities and whether or not you identify with us. People 2579 01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,880 who identify as like a dance style gamer would should 2580 01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,840 not play that game, right, and people who identify more 2581 01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,079 with like my vibe might want to give it a try. 2582 01:58:03,159 --> 01:58:04,800 Speaker 3: And they're both fine and accurate. 2583 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:09,439 Speaker 4: But I find that really funny is like it doesn't 2584 01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:12,239 change whether or not mixtape is a good game, which 2585 01:58:12,279 --> 01:58:15,479 is so subjective, it changes whether or not it's for you. 2586 01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:18,199 So we can both kind of recommend it or not, 2587 01:58:18,399 --> 01:58:20,680 but it's really based on like who do you identify 2588 01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:22,479 the most with when you're listening. 2589 01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:24,359 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's one of the huge benefits of 2590 01:58:24,399 --> 01:58:26,960 like personality based media, because like that's why I always 2591 01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,359 loved in magazines. We were talking earlier about a game Informer. 2592 01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,720 I could look at like, you know, it would have 2593 01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:34,159 the byline where it's like, Okay, Reiner wrote this review. 2594 01:58:34,319 --> 01:58:36,720 I typically like the same type of action games that 2595 01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:39,279 Reiner likes. I'll trust him here. Miller gave this a 2596 01:58:39,319 --> 01:58:41,199 really high score, but he's a big kind of like 2597 01:58:41,239 --> 01:58:43,079 deep RPG guy, So I don't know if i' wouldn't 2598 01:58:43,079 --> 01:58:44,880 necessarily go out and by it. Jessicas Miller loved it, 2599 01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:47,680 you know, Like I think that really helps. But yeah, 2600 01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,359 on my short list, it's everyone on this podcast. I 2601 01:58:50,359 --> 01:58:51,920 think you guys have a great track record with the 2602 01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,880 recommending stuff to me. Bonk. If Bonk ever sells me 2603 01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:58,680 in something, I'm always she's got fantastic tasting stuff. And 2604 01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:00,279 then there's people where you got to like it. It's 2605 01:59:00,319 --> 01:59:04,720 it's a categorical Ben Hansen, for one, he is uh, 2606 01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:08,920 He's recommended so many great things to me, mostly great things, 2607 01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,520 like especially like weird things too, like little documentaries and 2608 01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,600 stuff that like other people like I remember the jings 2609 01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,600 are like, oh you should watch this Larry Sanders doc 2610 01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:18,199 even though you don't really you know, don't know Larry 2611 01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:21,720 Sanders or Gary Shandling whatever. Where I got to stop 2612 01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,079 with Hanson is like he has given me super hard, 2613 01:59:24,279 --> 01:59:28,239 passionate like tears welling in his eyes recommendations for like, uh, 2614 01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:31,560 Toy Story three or The Incredibles or something, and I'll 2615 01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:33,479 be like, man, Ben, I don't it's not my type 2616 01:59:33,479 --> 01:59:35,079 of thing. And he'll spend like a year trying to 2617 01:59:35,079 --> 01:59:36,640 get me to watch Toy Story three, and then I 2618 01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:38,399 finally will, and I'll be like, Ben, I should have 2619 01:59:38,439 --> 01:59:40,039 trusted my hands. This is not for me. 2620 01:59:40,319 --> 01:59:43,359 Speaker 3: That's a bummer. Wait, so you didn't like Incredibles. 2621 01:59:44,319 --> 01:59:45,880 Speaker 2: I just it just seemed like it was just I 2622 01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:46,760 don't know, kids. 2623 01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,319 Speaker 3: Movie, just three. The first one. 2624 01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:50,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know they made three was the first one. 2625 01:59:50,039 --> 01:59:51,439 He was talking about me, the first one forever, and 2626 01:59:51,479 --> 01:59:52,720 I watched the first one was like, okay, well that 2627 01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:54,920 was a zero out of not zero out of ten. 2628 01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,199 It didn't zero me. No, no, no, no, I'm not saying 2629 01:59:59,279 --> 02:00:02,319 it was. I wouldn't score it a zero. It's obviously 2630 02:00:02,399 --> 02:00:05,800 very well made. I'm saying in terms of affecting me zero, 2631 02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:09,079 like did not register on my brain in any way, 2632 02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:10,920 shape or form other than I was just waiting for 2633 02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:11,319 it to end. 2634 02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:15,520 Speaker 3: Everyone, email fire Escape Cast at gmail dot com with 2635 02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:20,439 your best recommendations for Dan, specifically. 2636 02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,079 Speaker 2: Will no one else all of it? For Dance? 2637 02:00:22,439 --> 02:00:25,399 Speaker 4: I want to know what you guys think Dan would like. 2638 02:00:25,479 --> 02:00:29,039 The idea The Incredibles is like just doesn't register. It's funny, 2639 02:00:29,079 --> 02:00:32,399 it's charming, it's interesting, like it has like really witty humor. 2640 02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:35,560 Speaker 3: It has a great uh ending. 2641 02:00:35,479 --> 02:00:37,760 Speaker 4: Of like why the bad guy does what he does 2642 02:00:37,800 --> 02:00:38,880 and like what happens to him? 2643 02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:42,399 Speaker 2: It's a good conclusions and did I couldn't tell you 2644 02:00:42,399 --> 02:00:44,600 a single thing that happened. It's like, it's not It's 2645 02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:47,880 obviously very well made. Like the Pixar, they're incredible at 2646 02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:49,720 what they do. I just I don't think I've ever 2647 02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,960 seen a Pixar movie where I'm like, Wow, that de affected. 2648 02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:53,520 Speaker 3: None of what's your favorite Pixar. 2649 02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:56,760 Speaker 2: Sounds like that only scene I guess when I was 2650 02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:59,560 a child and toy story I thought the CG was impressive. 2651 02:01:00,079 --> 02:01:04,439 Speaker 3: Oh my god, dog shit. Compared to now, it was 2652 02:01:04,439 --> 02:01:08,680 fucking cool. Ten years old, you weren't like, wow, these 2653 02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:11,720 army men are party like. You weren't like excited about. 2654 02:01:11,399 --> 02:01:11,640 Speaker 1: Like the. 2655 02:01:14,039 --> 02:01:15,760 Speaker 2: Voice. I like Jim Verney, and I was like, it's 2656 02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,439 cool the Jim Verney's voices in this. And you know what, honestly, 2657 02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:20,279 I was ten years old. The thing I probably like 2658 02:01:20,319 --> 02:01:22,600 the most about Toy Story was that Don Rickles did 2659 02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:25,840 a voice. I was the oldest fucking ten year old ever. 2660 02:01:26,399 --> 02:01:28,600 I was like, hell yeah, Don Rickles, the funny guy 2661 02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:30,800 from Letterman, He's the big or whatever in. 2662 02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:32,880 Speaker 3: This forty five years old when you were. 2663 02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:37,479 Speaker 2: Ten, Yeah, hell yeah, I'm just telling you kids movies. 2664 02:01:37,479 --> 02:01:40,640 The first movies that affected me were fucking Terminators and 2665 02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:44,159 stuff like that. I never ever, like I saw Aladdin. 2666 02:01:44,279 --> 02:01:46,159 I was like, all right, that was fine, and then 2667 02:01:46,199 --> 02:01:47,920 I was just like I just show me Arnold stuff. 2668 02:01:48,039 --> 02:01:50,439 Like I just never cared about kids movies even as 2669 02:01:50,479 --> 02:01:50,760 a kid. 2670 02:01:52,199 --> 02:01:57,000 Speaker 3: That's so odd, and like, no wonder you didn't like Mixtape. 2671 02:01:57,079 --> 02:01:59,720 There's like something about this thing where you're like, I 2672 02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:02,279 don't want to pretend to be a youth in any capacity. 2673 02:02:02,319 --> 02:02:04,560 Speaker 2: I never felt like a youth. I never liked my peers. 2674 02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:07,159 I never liked my generation. I listened to old guy 2675 02:02:07,279 --> 02:02:09,439 music from the time I fucking listened to music. I 2676 02:02:09,479 --> 02:02:12,079 watched R rated movies from the time I watched movies like. 2677 02:02:12,119 --> 02:02:14,439 I never wanted to be a kid or a teenager. 2678 02:02:14,479 --> 02:02:15,920 I always just like, man, I like hanging out with 2679 02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:17,520 adults and talking to adults. 2680 02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:20,319 Speaker 3: You know you didn't like Finding Nemo. 2681 02:02:21,399 --> 02:02:22,000 Speaker 2: I never saw it. 2682 02:02:23,359 --> 02:02:26,319 Speaker 1: Oh, man, don't see it. 2683 02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah I won't. 2684 02:02:28,439 --> 02:02:31,079 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, yeah, it's not gonna hit you. 2685 02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:34,159 I'm just like you've never seen Ride of chuey Uh. 2686 02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:39,159 Speaker 2: I saw it. Like when I stopped watching kids, I 2687 02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:42,079 saw Aladdin, Little Mermaid and Lion King. 2688 02:02:42,399 --> 02:02:43,039 Speaker 3: Those are good. 2689 02:02:43,319 --> 02:02:44,840 Speaker 2: And then I think I remember by the time, I 2690 02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:47,079 think Pocahontas was the first big one. Like Pocahontas and 2691 02:02:47,079 --> 02:02:49,319 like Hunchback, those were the ones that came out, and 2692 02:02:49,359 --> 02:02:51,479 I was like, I can't be watching Disney movies like 2693 02:02:52,079 --> 02:02:53,079 and I was like, I'm gonna. 2694 02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:55,920 Speaker 3: Having a cigarette. 2695 02:02:56,039 --> 02:02:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still getting the Happy Meal toys, but I'm 2696 02:02:57,920 --> 02:02:58,840 not watching the movies. 2697 02:03:00,399 --> 02:03:02,560 Speaker 3: You're the diet of a nine year old. But the 2698 02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:06,760 cinematic viewpoints of a sixty year old angry man. 2699 02:03:07,159 --> 02:03:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and no, part of this is maybe like, oh 2700 02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:10,720 I'm too cool for those who I'm too adult or 2701 02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:12,960 growing up. It's like I just never did anything for me. 2702 02:03:13,079 --> 02:03:15,039 Speaker 3: I'm not getting that from you. I just feel like 2703 02:03:15,079 --> 02:03:17,079 there's like a part of me that's like it's a 2704 02:03:17,159 --> 02:03:21,439 bummer that you wouldn't watch. Like some of these that 2705 02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:28,000 I think are pretty in Wally could be boring. I 2706 02:03:28,079 --> 02:03:32,760 think that's fine. Finding Nemo is pretty universally loved though. 2707 02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:36,560 Speaker 2: They never saw it. 2708 02:03:37,039 --> 02:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Thinks pretty good. I I feel like it's just maybe 2709 02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:44,479 not just the case. But but I was gonna say, like, 2710 02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:49,960 maybe you know, you're just born too soon to like 2711 02:03:50,119 --> 02:03:53,359 really get it, because because when I was growing up, 2712 02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:56,840 I thought Toy Story was incredible. Like I watched Toy 2713 02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:59,319 Story every day. I thought it was amazing. But I 2714 02:03:59,319 --> 02:04:02,159 I could see myself not giving a shit if I 2715 02:04:02,199 --> 02:04:05,439 hadn't seen Toy Story until I was like, I don't know. 2716 02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,960 Speaker 2: I saw in the theaters fifteen I was eleven. 2717 02:04:09,439 --> 02:04:10,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 2718 02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:13,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that movie rocked my world. 2719 02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:15,520 Speaker 4: When Toy Story came out, everyone was like, this is 2720 02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:18,520 a game changer, This is like what movies were built 2721 02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:22,239 for and it's it still slaps I think. Although I 2722 02:04:22,279 --> 02:04:24,399 haven't seen it, I just got it on VHS. You guys, 2723 02:04:24,439 --> 02:04:30,560 I'm really excited to watch it, but I instead, my uh, 2724 02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:32,760 my friends are all learning that I'm getting VHS. 2725 02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:33,079 Speaker 3: It's a nono. 2726 02:04:33,079 --> 02:04:34,720 Speaker 4: They're giving them to me as gifts, which I think 2727 02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:37,560 is really sweet. And the other day my girlfriend gave 2728 02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:39,319 me Running Man, The running Man. 2729 02:04:39,319 --> 02:04:42,520 Speaker 2: The running Man, that movie or what a VHS movie 2730 02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:44,880 that is so fucking good and. 2731 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,319 Speaker 3: It's bold us so good, and I was like, I 2732 02:04:48,359 --> 02:04:53,359 can't believe I was gonna watch Bambi so much better 2733 02:04:53,439 --> 02:04:56,920 than Bamby right. 2734 02:04:58,119 --> 02:05:00,880 Speaker 2: The casting for that movie with Richard from The Match 2735 02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:03,640 Game and Family Feud as the evil game show host. 2736 02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:06,920 I love that fucking movie so much, so much action. 2737 02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:09,079 Speaker 4: Like from the beginning to the end, like there's always 2738 02:05:09,079 --> 02:05:11,760 something going on. I was very impressed by this, and 2739 02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,439 I also realized, I didn't know this will probably upset 2740 02:05:14,479 --> 02:05:16,439 you because we've discussed it on the show before. I 2741 02:05:16,439 --> 02:05:19,119 don't think I've actually really ever watched The Rock before, 2742 02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:22,960 And so I finally watched The Rock. I actually paid 2743 02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:25,680 attention from beginning to end, and watch the Rock. 2744 02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:31,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you guys, it's pretty good. It's I 2745 02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:32,399 had no idea. 2746 02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:34,760 Speaker 3: I had no idea that it was like you have 2747 02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:38,439 to sit down and watch this film. Like the the balls. 2748 02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:44,439 Uh that are what a great design for a for 2749 02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:47,000 a thing that you need to like contain and use, 2750 02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:49,119 but don't touch it. If it drops, you better run 2751 02:05:49,159 --> 02:05:49,600 like helt. 2752 02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:51,520 Speaker 2: And like this in the atmosphere and. 2753 02:05:51,479 --> 02:05:53,079 Speaker 3: If you put in your you got to stab yourself 2754 02:05:53,079 --> 02:05:53,399 in the heart. 2755 02:05:53,439 --> 02:05:56,800 Speaker 2: What cool. Yeah, there's like all these little. 2756 02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:58,359 Speaker 3: Things going on. It is great. 2757 02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:04,079 Speaker 2: Apt and Ed Harris as this like conflicted villain. It's 2758 02:06:04,079 --> 02:06:06,279 just so fun. But he's got these like jackass cronies 2759 02:06:06,319 --> 02:06:08,600 around him, and he's he thinks he's doing the right thing. 2760 02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:11,600 And Connory's doing Conrie shit. Oh my god, it's so 2761 02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:12,640 fucking good every time. 2762 02:06:13,439 --> 02:06:16,159 Speaker 4: I uh, I did not realize. But that was a 2763 02:06:16,159 --> 02:06:19,720 good recommendation that I just didn't really process. And so 2764 02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:22,439 I think I would. I would listen to you for 2765 02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:26,840 action movie recommendations day in and day out, and probably comedies. 2766 02:06:27,239 --> 02:06:32,680 Speaker 3: I believe in you. I'm really not over the musical recommendation. 2767 02:06:33,159 --> 02:06:34,159 I just don't think. 2768 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:36,479 Speaker 2: I can do it. That's an anomaly. I want to 2769 02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:39,279 be clear, I don't like musicals, and this is a 2770 02:06:39,439 --> 02:06:41,199 like and that is just a thing that is just 2771 02:06:41,279 --> 02:06:44,680 so weird and unlike anything like. I'm not even necessarily 2772 02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:47,039 saying it's good or you're going to like it. I'm 2773 02:06:47,039 --> 02:06:50,560 just saying it is something so out there it's worth seeing. 2774 02:06:52,399 --> 02:06:54,680 That's what I'm saying. I like it now just because 2775 02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:56,880 of how fucking nuts and bold it is, and it 2776 02:06:56,920 --> 02:07:00,359 does some unbelievably weirdship by the end, and I got 2777 02:07:00,399 --> 02:07:03,079 a budget and like major stars and stuff involved. I 2778 02:07:03,119 --> 02:07:05,520 can't help but just kind of respect how fucking off 2779 02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:08,359 the wall that movie goes. But no, I don't like 2780 02:07:08,399 --> 02:07:10,119 when I talk about my favorite movies and stuff like that. 2781 02:07:10,199 --> 02:07:10,800 I'm not gonna like. 2782 02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:14,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just say, it's like such a ridiculous thing 2783 02:07:14,399 --> 02:07:17,359 that you're like, it's absurd that it was constructed doesn't 2784 02:07:17,399 --> 02:07:19,119 mean that I have to endure it. 2785 02:07:19,479 --> 02:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Sure, that's fair. That's fair. 2786 02:07:21,239 --> 02:07:23,840 Speaker 1: I will say talking about like Pixar and stuff, and 2787 02:07:24,039 --> 02:07:26,279 knowing you, Dan, I can understand why that is just 2788 02:07:26,319 --> 02:07:29,760 not your interest. However, the one thing that confuses me 2789 02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:33,319 is that you've said before that you don't like horror 2790 02:07:33,319 --> 02:07:38,119 movies or at least you don't think you like horror movies. Yeah, 2791 02:07:38,239 --> 02:07:42,479 I that means to me because like you can go ahead, 2792 02:07:42,479 --> 02:07:45,600 but it's just like those movies are so like not 2793 02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:47,920 all of them, but there are some like incredibly stupid 2794 02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:50,800 horror movies that are amazing because of how stupid they are. 2795 02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:57,079 And like, like I. 2796 02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:56,880 Speaker 2: I think maybe here's part of it. And I've never 2797 02:07:56,920 --> 02:07:58,439 thought of it this way before, but this is where 2798 02:07:58,479 --> 02:08:01,199 my brain went. I like things to have at least 2799 02:08:01,279 --> 02:08:04,439 some grounding in reality in terms of like and it 2800 02:08:04,479 --> 02:08:06,720 can be wild, like I throw a metal year solid 2801 02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:09,000 into that and Command and Conquer games that are say 2802 02:08:09,079 --> 02:08:12,199 it's set on Earth, it's dudes with guns, with countries 2803 02:08:12,239 --> 02:08:14,520 that exist. That is the type of thing where I 2804 02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:16,920 can kind of like be like, Okay, this is within 2805 02:08:17,079 --> 02:08:19,880 the realm of reality here. You know, I've never been 2806 02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:22,520 the biggest sci fi guy. I definitely become more of 2807 02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:24,319 a sci fi guy over the years of just like 2808 02:08:24,359 --> 02:08:26,199 you know, like an Annihilation and like really good like 2809 02:08:26,199 --> 02:08:29,039 hard sci fi and stuff. Never been a fantasy guidet all, 2810 02:08:29,359 --> 02:08:31,359 just because it's just like I go to the magic 2811 02:08:31,439 --> 02:08:34,279 and elves and stuff, like I just don't this isn't real. 2812 02:08:34,439 --> 02:08:36,600 And this is very Paul Record does, very my brain. 2813 02:08:37,439 --> 02:08:40,520 It's still having vestiges of his. But I need to 2814 02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:44,840 see a real world scenario and like dudes with guns 2815 02:08:45,439 --> 02:08:49,279 and not monsters and like so like like a. 2816 02:08:49,279 --> 02:08:51,680 Speaker 3: Friend question, have you seen seven? 2817 02:08:52,399 --> 02:08:55,560 Speaker 2: I love seven? Okay, so that's the thing. There are 2818 02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:58,560 horror movies I love. I think it's generally the more 2819 02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:01,079 like psychological horror pype. Like I mean, seven is kind 2820 02:09:01,079 --> 02:09:03,319 of a thriller murder, you know, it's a yeah, it's 2821 02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:08,039 type of the Shining. The Shining is probably my favorite 2822 02:09:08,039 --> 02:09:10,319 everort The Shine. That's psychological horror, you know, like none 2823 02:09:10,359 --> 02:09:12,039 of that well, I mean you could argue some of 2824 02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:14,520 that stuff is the burial ground. What about Donnie Darko 2825 02:09:15,239 --> 02:09:15,800 didn't like it? 2826 02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:17,079 Speaker 3: Children? 2827 02:09:18,119 --> 02:09:20,039 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. But also that was a movie that 2828 02:09:20,039 --> 02:09:21,439 washyped up to me for like ten years by the 2829 02:09:21,479 --> 02:09:23,560 most obnoxious people in college, and by the time I 2830 02:09:23,560 --> 02:09:24,600 saw it, I was like, Okay. 2831 02:09:24,439 --> 02:09:26,920 Speaker 3: We're such a true soul. You're like such an antipedo. 2832 02:09:27,079 --> 02:09:28,760 Like the second there's a cut, kid, you're just like 2833 02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:30,319 I am ew. 2834 02:09:30,199 --> 02:09:32,560 Speaker 2: I watch it went over by a truck or something. 2835 02:09:32,920 --> 02:09:35,000 Speaker 3: I hate this, I'm not watching it. 2836 02:09:35,079 --> 02:09:36,960 Speaker 4: And it's just like the hero that we need in 2837 02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:37,920 twenty twenty six. 2838 02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:42,039 Speaker 1: So is it like creatures and like when a creature 2839 02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:44,239 in a horror movie that's just unbelievable to you. 2840 02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:47,119 Speaker 2: I don't think I have that anymore because it's like 2841 02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:49,680 like Barbarian. I'm not gonna spoil anything, but like Bararion's 2842 02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:53,680 not a realistic movie. I've fucking loved it. Weapons, Weapons 2843 02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:56,560 is not remote, Like that's not realistic. I thought Weapons 2844 02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:58,880 kicked ass sinners, you know. So it's like, I think 2845 02:09:58,920 --> 02:10:02,000 I'm kind of over that now. I still can't struggle 2846 02:10:02,039 --> 02:10:04,840 with like fantasy and stuff like that, but sci fi 2847 02:10:05,399 --> 02:10:08,279 psychological horror, like John, I like it. Dust Done is 2848 02:10:08,319 --> 02:10:08,880 a lot of fun. 2849 02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:12,800 Speaker 3: Like I'm picking up some vibes based on what you've 2850 02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:13,600 said yes to. 2851 02:10:14,479 --> 02:10:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just like a slasher stuff never really 2852 02:10:17,079 --> 02:10:19,600 like I like Halloween I Finally a temporary finally got 2853 02:10:19,640 --> 02:10:20,880 but Jake, I might have watched that with you for 2854 02:10:20,920 --> 02:10:23,439 the first time Tim had us over to that house 2855 02:10:23,479 --> 02:10:27,279 and Halloween yeah one and two, And I normally I 2856 02:10:27,279 --> 02:10:29,479 am not into like slasher type stuff, but the John 2857 02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:31,319 Carpenter of it all, like I just love his style 2858 02:10:31,439 --> 02:10:34,319 so much that I don't know, And I super don't 2859 02:10:34,399 --> 02:10:37,520 like the like kind of gore porn saw hostile type 2860 02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:39,920 stuff like that does like just like violence and gore 2861 02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,800 for for the sake of violence, and CORR doesn't do 2862 02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:46,279 anything for me. But yeah, like horrors, it's it depends. 2863 02:10:46,319 --> 02:10:50,079 It depends with horror, you know. Yeah, yeah, like The Rock, 2864 02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:52,199 Like Mary, I saw that on my twelfth birthday, and 2865 02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:54,199 it was like, this is the fucking coolest shit I've 2866 02:10:54,199 --> 02:10:55,720 ever seen in my life. Why would I ever go 2867 02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:56,520 back to kids movies? 2868 02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:59,199 Speaker 4: I can't believe I went so long without really giving 2869 02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:00,880 it a good watch. 2870 02:11:00,920 --> 02:11:03,920 Speaker 1: Especially living in San Francisco for as long as you did, Like, 2871 02:11:03,960 --> 02:11:06,760 how do you know this out? I feel like, okay, 2872 02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:08,600 to be fair, I'd go to many bars and it 2873 02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:10,439 would be playing, but you're not actually watching it in 2874 02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:12,640 a bar, you like, look at you know. 2875 02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:15,640 Speaker 4: I have seen The Rock probably ten times, but I 2876 02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:18,520 haven't watched The Rock. This was the first time that 2877 02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:21,000 I said, we're sitting and we're watching this start pay 2878 02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:24,640 attention from start to finish. I actually half the time 2879 02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:26,159 I was like, oh, I didn't realize this was like 2880 02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,560 at the beginning of the movie, like I never had 2881 02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:31,640 really really understood it, so yeah, it was very worth 2882 02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:32,760 it for me to watch it. 2883 02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:35,680 Speaker 3: I think I think it'd be nice maybe the next time. 2884 02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:37,880 Speaker 4: We get together for you to have like three where 2885 02:11:37,880 --> 02:11:44,600 you're like, these are quintessential ten out of ten banger actions. 2886 02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:46,800 You can get more nuanced if you want, but it's 2887 02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:49,520 like you have to watch these, uh, and I recommend 2888 02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:51,800 them fully with my full chest, like they're they're brilliant. 2889 02:11:52,119 --> 02:11:54,279 Speaker 2: We never heard Faceoft, did we, like? I mean, I 2890 02:11:54,279 --> 02:11:57,640 think Jake and Mike fell asleep and we stopped fell asleep. 2891 02:11:58,600 --> 02:11:59,680 Speaker 3: But we've seen it. 2892 02:12:00,039 --> 02:12:01,319 Speaker 1: I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. 2893 02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:03,720 Speaker 3: We watched it together before. 2894 02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:08,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Face Off is fantastic. I don't know, it's 2895 02:12:08,319 --> 02:12:10,920 quite very good. I think The Rock to me is 2896 02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:14,680 the best like traditional action movie as far as there's 2897 02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:16,680 nothing sci fi. There's nothing like because you know, I 2898 02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:18,520 think the Terminators and stuff like that are kind of 2899 02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:21,800 action sci fi horror. I would put t two over 2900 02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:23,880 like The Rock, But like as far as just a 2901 02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:26,640 straight up in the realm of reality action movie, I 2902 02:12:26,680 --> 02:12:28,960 don't think it really gets better than The Rock. And 2903 02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:31,199 then there's the other category that's like The Running Man. 2904 02:12:31,479 --> 02:12:34,520 Granted that sci fi also that's kind of like Quippi Arnold. 2905 02:12:34,520 --> 02:12:36,439 That's kind of like one liner, Like that's kind of 2906 02:12:36,439 --> 02:12:36,880 different to me. 2907 02:12:37,039 --> 02:12:39,119 Speaker 3: Well, you know, he says, I'll be back in it. 2908 02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:41,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't movies, Yeah, he says in a lot of 2909 02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:42,359 different movies. 2910 02:12:42,439 --> 02:12:47,279 Speaker 3: I can't believe it's not trademarked by his other I'm 2911 02:12:47,319 --> 02:12:50,000 amazed they were like, you're allowed to use your coveted line. 2912 02:12:50,239 --> 02:12:53,720 Speaker 2: Oh that's Arnold's. Yeah. But yeah, there's like the prestige 2913 02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:56,399 action movies like The Rock I put their Predator again. 2914 02:12:56,439 --> 02:12:59,239 Predator is like pre also major horror elements there, but 2915 02:12:59,319 --> 02:13:03,920 like part is uh that that's a kind of a 2916 02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:05,520 genre of bending thing where it starts out like it's 2917 02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:07,800 gonna be this like super testosterone action movie and then 2918 02:13:08,279 --> 02:13:10,399 this sci fi horror kind of a horror. 2919 02:13:10,520 --> 02:13:13,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bitter Predator in the in the realm 2920 02:13:13,880 --> 02:13:14,479 of horror. 2921 02:13:15,159 --> 02:13:18,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, man, it's just good excited to think about these. 2922 02:13:18,479 --> 02:13:22,600 You've you've both seen Predator, right, m Okay, if. 2923 02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:25,239 Speaker 3: You find it on VHS, I want it just you know, Oh, it's. 2924 02:13:25,159 --> 02:13:25,760 Speaker 2: A good VHS. 2925 02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,159 Speaker 1: Keep your eye out, Okay, I'll be watching. 2926 02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:32,079 Speaker 4: And we've talked about you know, like, uh my favorite 2927 02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:34,079 horror is the thing like that would be like if 2928 02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:35,800 I like, you have to watch it. 2929 02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:38,920 Speaker 2: Yes, and then that's yes, that is of that caliber totally. 2930 02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,840 Speaker 4: It's the type of recommendation I give where I'm like, well, 2931 02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:44,880 if you don't like this, you wouldn't like, we wouldn't 2932 02:13:44,920 --> 02:13:46,600 probably get along exactly. 2933 02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a fun category. Like what 2934 02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:51,079 are the movies if you had to name a few 2935 02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:54,640 that like if someone doesn't like them, I think you 2936 02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:59,960 can't be no more kind. The one where it's like 2937 02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:02,960 if you see this movie and don't understand why this 2938 02:14:03,039 --> 02:14:05,920 is so fucking funny, that is just speaking to someone's 2939 02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:08,239 sense of humor in a way where it's like, Okay, 2940 02:14:08,319 --> 02:14:11,800 we might get along politely, but like we're not gonna 2941 02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:12,399 get each other. 2942 02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:16,319 Speaker 1: I think comedy is probably the best way to tell 2943 02:14:16,359 --> 02:14:18,920 because it's just like I don't know, you can tell 2944 02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:22,079 what someone's sense of humor is based on watching a movie, 2945 02:14:22,079 --> 02:14:23,680 and if they don't find it's funny, it's just. 2946 02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:26,359 Speaker 2: Like all right, I guess we're just gonna talk about it. 2947 02:14:26,439 --> 02:14:28,279 Speaker 1: Or if they think it's funny and you're like cringing 2948 02:14:28,319 --> 02:14:31,039 at it, then that also, you know, has the opposite 2949 02:14:31,039 --> 02:14:32,119 effect ors, just sort of like. 2950 02:14:32,119 --> 02:14:33,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 2951 02:14:33,399 --> 02:14:38,880 Speaker 4: I've actually, you know, I met someone at at a party. 2952 02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:42,439 It was like a mutual friend's birthday party who said 2953 02:14:42,439 --> 02:14:44,880 that they could not get through I think. 2954 02:14:44,720 --> 02:14:47,520 Speaker 3: You should leave because it was so cringey. 2955 02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:49,920 Speaker 1: And awkward and walk away. 2956 02:14:50,119 --> 02:14:51,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like really polite about it, and 2957 02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:53,239 I was like, Okay, like, You're totally allowed to have 2958 02:14:53,239 --> 02:14:53,760 that opinion. 2959 02:14:54,079 --> 02:14:58,119 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go over here now. And to this day, 2960 02:14:58,159 --> 02:14:59,600 I'm like when I see. 2961 02:14:59,399 --> 02:15:01,079 Speaker 4: Them, I'm like, I really want to talk to that guy, 2962 02:15:01,199 --> 02:15:04,520 like he didn't like a show that has fundamentally altered 2963 02:15:04,520 --> 02:15:07,039 how I talk to people, because I think it's so funny. 2964 02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:09,199 He's allowed to have that opinion. I'm not saying he's 2965 02:15:09,239 --> 02:15:11,680 like a bad person or he's like a loser. I'm 2966 02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:14,239 just saying we're not going to probably get along. 2967 02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, level you can't connect on you know, And what 2968 02:15:17,039 --> 02:15:17,239 am I. 2969 02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:20,560 Speaker 3: Supposed to invest time into this person? 2970 02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was at a show last night, at a concert, 2971 02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:27,000 and there was a guy in line next to me. 2972 02:15:27,079 --> 02:15:29,560 He was wearing an incredibly a shirt with an incredibly 2973 02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:33,319 complicated pattern, and the amount of self restraint it took 2974 02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:35,880 for me to be like not be like, how much 2975 02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:38,039 is that shirt costs? It looks pretty expensive with a 2976 02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:40,079 pattern of that complicated, it could cost one thousands of 2977 02:15:40,119 --> 02:15:43,399 dollars and I just like held it in. It's like, 2978 02:15:43,439 --> 02:15:43,960 don't say anything. 2979 02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:44,520 Speaker 2: Don't say anything. 2980 02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:48,399 Speaker 3: Don't say anything, don't ruin this social experience. 2981 02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:52,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of a show that's changed the way I talk 2982 02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:56,159 and think that one probably pretty high up there for 2983 02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:58,920 better or worse. I mean, even playing Mina, you know, 2984 02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:01,880 I'm the entire time I'm singing the bones are there 2985 02:16:01,880 --> 02:16:05,119 at all? Yeah, all the time. 2986 02:16:05,319 --> 02:16:07,680 Speaker 3: As soon as I found out, did you know that? Yeah, 2987 02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:10,039 leveling up in Mina? It's bone up And I was 2988 02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:13,399 like outrageous that you're calling it that, Like I like 2989 02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:16,399 that this is a I don't have such an aggressive 2990 02:16:16,399 --> 02:16:18,600 opinion about Mina. Like I think if you guys were 2991 02:16:18,640 --> 02:16:21,039 like we don't like it, I would be like, Okay, 2992 02:16:21,079 --> 02:16:22,439 well this is a bad idea. 2993 02:16:22,600 --> 02:16:24,840 Speaker 4: And Dan, you're not a big fan of mixtape and 2994 02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:27,199 I think it's pretty good, and like that's okay that 2995 02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:28,600 that actually checks out. 2996 02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:29,439 Speaker 3: I can like see the. 2997 02:16:29,439 --> 02:16:32,360 Speaker 4: Differences in our personalities and I still like really like you. 2998 02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:36,440 I think there is like, yeah, I'm a very good person, 2999 02:16:37,079 --> 02:16:40,200 and I think that there is like there are things 3000 02:16:40,239 --> 02:16:42,000 though in my life that if you didn't like them, 3001 02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:42,440 I'd be. 3002 02:16:42,319 --> 02:16:45,040 Speaker 3: Like, who is this person? Who is this man? 3003 02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:47,879 Speaker 4: Like, it's so weird that you wouldn't like this, and 3004 02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:50,360 I'd like to cross those off on the next podcast, 3005 02:16:50,399 --> 02:16:52,000 all write like a list of things where I'm like, 3006 02:16:52,040 --> 02:16:52,719 you like these? 3007 02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:55,440 Speaker 2: Right? I think this was productive though. I think we're 3008 02:16:55,440 --> 02:17:00,479 all we're all still friends here. Yeah, No, I. 3009 02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:03,280 Speaker 3: Don't think so. I think I'm really open minded about 3010 02:17:03,319 --> 02:17:03,719 this stuff. 3011 02:17:03,799 --> 02:17:06,479 Speaker 4: It's there's like a rare few pieces of media where 3012 02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:09,040 I'm like, it's you're supposed to like these. 3013 02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange. You're just wrong if you don't like these. 3014 02:17:12,959 --> 02:17:13,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's funny. 3015 02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:15,680 Speaker 4: I bet you there are people out there that like, 3016 02:17:15,719 --> 02:17:17,200 don't think mcgruber is funny. 3017 02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:22,040 Speaker 2: Oh, they're out there. I mean, honestly, it was a 3018 02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:24,440 huge flop. It was a critically panned. It was like 3019 02:17:24,440 --> 02:17:26,319 the amount of people was like, oh, I get like 3020 02:17:26,399 --> 02:17:28,600 this stupid fucking movie. It's like, no, you just yeah, 3021 02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:32,040 you don't get it. You're grown up. I was such 3022 02:17:32,040 --> 02:17:33,719 a little film nerd and stuff. In the amount of 3023 02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:35,040 times I would try to get like you know, my 3024 02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:37,559 mom is great, love my mom. She is not a 3025 02:17:37,559 --> 02:17:40,040 film uh kind of swear by any means. And I 3026 02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:41,840 would like be like, Mom, you gotta see this, you 3027 02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:46,159 gotta see this, and like very quickly, honestly, Yeah, it 3028 02:17:46,159 --> 02:17:47,559 was stuff like I was trying to get her watch 3029 02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:49,799 like clockwork orange and you know, like I was a 3030 02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:51,360 teenager at fight club at the time. To me, it 3031 02:17:51,399 --> 02:17:53,360 was like high art or whatever, and it's like she 3032 02:17:53,399 --> 02:17:55,559 would just watch the stuff, and you know, it's like, well, like, 3033 02:17:55,879 --> 02:17:58,280 can we watch uh that thing you do for the 3034 02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:01,120 seven thousandth time instead? Oh. Man. 3035 02:18:04,079 --> 02:18:06,399 Speaker 1: To bring it back to the question kind of, I 3036 02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:10,520 will say one thing that helped a lot is I mean, 3037 02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:12,040 it kind of goes on this, but it's just like 3038 02:18:12,520 --> 02:18:14,360 I don't know, I've just accepted that I'm just not 3039 02:18:14,399 --> 02:18:17,879 gonna play everything, read everything, see everything that people recommend, 3040 02:18:17,959 --> 02:18:19,799 and like you kind of just have to make peace 3041 02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:23,239 with that. I do often think about though, like it's 3042 02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:27,079 probably just because I wasn't I wasn't getting as many recommendations. 3043 02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:28,600 I didn't know a lot of people who had the 3044 02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:30,879 same interest as me. But I do wonder how like 3045 02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:32,399 when I was a kid, I felt like I played 3046 02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:35,200 everything I saw, Yeah, all the movie there was. I 3047 02:18:35,280 --> 02:18:36,600 was able to keep up with every Yeah. I mean 3048 02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:38,719 that's part of it too. And now it's just very 3049 02:18:38,799 --> 02:18:43,399 much like I don't know, Like I loved Disco Elysium. 3050 02:18:43,479 --> 02:18:46,479 I thought that game was fantastic, and the new their 3051 02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:50,319 new game, Zero Parades is out and I'm just like, oh, 3052 02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:53,040 I can't I don't know what I'm gonna have the 3053 02:18:53,079 --> 02:18:54,399 time to play this, and I just have to be 3054 02:18:54,440 --> 02:18:56,520 okay with that and move on. Even though people are like, well, 3055 02:18:56,520 --> 02:18:58,159 you'll probably like it because you're like Disco Lesium, and 3056 02:18:58,200 --> 02:19:02,079 it's like, I believe you, you are right, that recommendation makes sense, 3057 02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:04,280 But I just don't have the time, so I'm just 3058 02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:06,760 gonna have to skip it. Maybe I'll get to it, 3059 02:19:06,799 --> 02:19:07,719 maybe I won't. 3060 02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:12,000 Speaker 2: One recommendation I learned to disregard very quickly was the 3061 02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:14,920 amount of times a Marvel movie would come out during 3062 02:19:14,920 --> 02:19:17,159 the height of the Marvel stuff and all these people 3063 02:19:17,239 --> 02:19:19,559 like Dan, I know you don't normally like the Marvel stuff, 3064 02:19:19,559 --> 02:19:22,120 but this is the one. Even if you don't like 3065 02:19:22,239 --> 02:19:26,719 Marvel Door Ragnarok's gonna be the one I watched. No, No, 3066 02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:30,360 the sucks too, Like these all suck. I heard that 3067 02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:32,239 so many times, and I eventually just like, I'm just 3068 02:19:32,280 --> 02:19:34,319 I'm I don't need to try with these anymore. 3069 02:19:34,399 --> 02:19:37,239 Speaker 4: I like to try the New Spider Man's I was 3070 02:19:37,239 --> 02:19:38,959 thinking about giving it the old. 3071 02:19:38,799 --> 02:19:41,319 Speaker 2: College try those you're talking about, the like the Spider 3072 02:19:41,399 --> 02:19:45,600 Verse ones, uh not that turns of cool? Uh? Oh no, 3073 02:19:45,639 --> 02:19:47,680 the live action one suck. Those were also the ones 3074 02:19:47,719 --> 02:19:49,200 people told me, even if you don't like, you know, 3075 02:19:49,360 --> 02:19:51,440 the live action one sucks, they'll no way home or 3076 02:19:51,719 --> 02:19:54,399 a long way from home or whatever. I never stop 3077 02:19:54,440 --> 02:19:57,079 a movie halfway through the one with Michael Keaton, and 3078 02:19:57,079 --> 02:19:58,879 I love Michael Keaton. I got halfway through and I 3079 02:19:58,920 --> 02:20:01,000 was like, I fucking hate this movie and I stopped it. 3080 02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:04,799 The Spider Verse movies, the animated ones, that those are 3081 02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:08,559 actually good. I actually liked those. Good. Dude, the fucking 3082 02:20:08,879 --> 02:20:11,399 and Andrew Garfield or Tom Holland whoever. The current one is, 3083 02:20:11,639 --> 02:20:13,040 oh just fucking suck. 3084 02:20:13,559 --> 02:20:16,399 Speaker 3: Really? Oh no, I was That's what I was talking about. 3085 02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:17,760 I was like, maybe those are. No. 3086 02:20:17,879 --> 02:20:19,760 Speaker 2: Don't waste your fucking life. You have so much time 3087 02:20:19,799 --> 02:20:22,879 on this mortal plane. Don't waste a fucking half hour 3088 02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:26,479 of it even trying one of these, like I need 3089 02:20:26,639 --> 02:20:28,280 more In the loss of a half hour I spent 3090 02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:29,040 watching that you. 3091 02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:32,239 Speaker 1: Need Toby Maguire's Spider Man on VHS, I think, I 3092 02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:34,840 think that's the Spider Man scratch, He's just fine. 3093 02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:35,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 3094 02:20:36,239 --> 02:20:40,879 Speaker 3: I remember liking the first Toby McGuire a lot. 3095 02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:42,920 Speaker 1: I think first two pretty good personally. 3096 02:20:43,079 --> 02:20:45,760 Speaker 4: I saw those in theaters and I remember being like, yes, 3097 02:20:45,959 --> 02:20:50,000 this is the Spider Man that I wanted. And then 3098 02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,840 I don't think I watched any after that to three. 3099 02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:53,399 Speaker 2: It was there. 3100 02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:56,559 Speaker 1: Toby maguire one is bad, but it's kind of fun 3101 02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:57,959 because it is so bad. 3102 02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:01,040 Speaker 2: It's so bad, so Sam Raimi and like weird bad. 3103 02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:04,760 Speaker 1: But I think, to your point Dan, about like all 3104 02:21:04,799 --> 02:21:07,879 the Marvel the New Spider Man ones, there's just like, no, 3105 02:21:08,639 --> 02:21:10,040 I don't know, I feel like all the edges have 3106 02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:11,399 been sanded off. It's just Marvel. 3107 02:21:11,479 --> 02:21:14,239 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, it's just here's a question over words now. 3108 02:21:14,319 --> 02:21:16,239 But slop is how I can do all that stuff? 3109 02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:19,680 Just yeah, the same type of fucking same shitty, snarky 3110 02:21:19,719 --> 02:21:22,840 humor in all these And yeah, it's yeah, I watch 3111 02:21:22,879 --> 02:21:23,639 Hokum instead. 3112 02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:27,479 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you were saying, so you're I don't want 3113 02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:30,440 any spoilers because I think I'm gonna watch this, but 3114 02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:32,799 you said you watched Hokum and it's worth seeing. 3115 02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:35,920 Speaker 2: I think, so kum Ye. 3116 02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:37,600 Speaker 3: Don't look it up. I think it's one of those ones. 3117 02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:39,920 I don't know if you should look it up, although 3118 02:21:40,319 --> 02:21:41,879 I think you could look up like a photo. But 3119 02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:42,680 I wouldn't watch. 3120 02:21:42,559 --> 02:21:45,120 Speaker 2: The trailer because and I closed the tab. 3121 02:21:45,239 --> 02:21:47,079 Speaker 4: It's kind of like one of those things where I think, 3122 02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:49,200 I think part of what's supposed to be so good 3123 02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:51,559 about it is how fucking weird and mysterious it is. 3124 02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:53,200 So the more you learn about it, I think the 3125 02:21:53,319 --> 02:21:57,159 less you'll be. Jake, you should probably say this. 3126 02:21:57,159 --> 02:21:58,520 Speaker 3: You're the one who watched it, But like I saw 3127 02:21:58,559 --> 02:22:00,120 half a trailer and I was like, I'm not watching 3128 02:22:00,159 --> 02:22:01,399 the rest of this. This is going to spoil the 3129 02:22:01,440 --> 02:22:02,840 shit out of this film for me. 3130 02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:06,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's definitely one of those movies that I think 3131 02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:08,680 the less you know going in, the better. I wouldn't 3132 02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:12,079 say it's to the level of Zach Kraiger's stuff where 3133 02:22:12,079 --> 02:22:13,719 it's like you don't want to know anything, you don't 3134 02:22:13,719 --> 02:22:15,600 want to explain anything. I think like, if you know 3135 02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:22,120 the general conceit you'll probably still enjoy hokum uh. But yeah, 3136 02:22:22,239 --> 02:22:22,680 I would. 3137 02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:23,920 Speaker 2: I would. 3138 02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,719 Speaker 1: I would recommend it for you specifically, Mary Dan. I'm 3139 02:22:26,719 --> 02:22:28,159 not I'm not sure about you. 3140 02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:30,200 Speaker 3: Is it in theaters? 3141 02:22:30,280 --> 02:22:32,719 Speaker 1: It's in theaters right, it's still in theaters. But I 3142 02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:34,600 bet it'll come to streaming pretty soon. 3143 02:22:34,959 --> 02:22:38,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, would you put it in the like? Is it 3144 02:22:38,159 --> 02:22:40,639 like a modern horror like on like a Hereditary or 3145 02:22:40,719 --> 02:22:42,040 Midsummer or something like that. 3146 02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:46,680 Speaker 1: It's not that, it's it's not that up its own ass. 3147 02:22:46,719 --> 02:22:49,360 I would say, Okay, Well, I actually I like those Yeah, 3148 02:22:49,479 --> 02:22:50,920 I mean I do too. I like them a lot. 3149 02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:53,479 But I feel like those horrors were like really trying 3150 02:22:53,479 --> 02:22:57,120 to like elevate sure the genre in a way. And 3151 02:22:57,159 --> 02:23:01,639 this feels it's very thoughtful in the horror that it is, 3152 02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:07,440 but it doesn't feel like it's trying to say more 3153 02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:10,799 than what it's trying to say. I guess. But there's 3154 02:23:10,840 --> 02:23:14,799 just some very well constructed, well directed scenes. There's there's 3155 02:23:14,959 --> 02:23:17,760 there's a dumb waiter that is used in an incredible 3156 02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:23,399 way that ratches up tension. It's very good. I'm excited 3157 02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:27,159 a great time. I had to go to the bathroom 3158 02:23:27,559 --> 02:23:29,479 at one point in it, and I was pissed because 3159 02:23:29,479 --> 02:23:31,280 I didn't want to miss a second, but I also 3160 02:23:31,399 --> 02:23:33,719 didn't want to piss my pants in the theater, so 3161 02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:36,120 you know, you kind of have to. Just that's what 3162 02:23:36,159 --> 02:23:37,280 I get for drink sometimes. 3163 02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,040 Speaker 4: That's why I do like it when it's home, because 3164 02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:40,680 I like being able to like go to the bathroom 3165 02:23:40,719 --> 02:23:43,680 or get another drink without missing anything. But I also 3166 02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:46,239 think like the theater experience is like one for the books. 3167 02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's huge benefits to both, for sure. 3168 02:23:48,959 --> 02:23:51,680 Speaker 3: I know it's the peeing that's the problem. 3169 02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I could just not drink four or 3170 02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:58,120 five beers before and then I'd be fine. 3171 02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:02,000 Speaker 4: I know that investing in these popcorn buckets, but I 3172 02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:05,000 need a piss bucket so that I can stay. 3173 02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:09,479 Speaker 3: Like customized. 3174 02:24:11,319 --> 02:24:13,479 Speaker 2: To a Dune. 3175 02:24:13,239 --> 02:24:14,440 Speaker 3: Three piss bucket. Yeah. 3176 02:24:14,440 --> 02:24:16,760 Speaker 2: I nathing for you when you had the like chili 3177 02:24:16,799 --> 02:24:18,959 suit with the hoses that would like spray the chili out, 3178 02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:21,079 just do an invert thing that just sucks p out 3179 02:24:21,079 --> 02:24:22,920 of my wiener and out. 3180 02:24:23,440 --> 02:24:24,639 Speaker 3: I don't want to leave. 3181 02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:26,920 Speaker 1: Al Right. 3182 02:24:26,920 --> 02:24:29,040 Speaker 2: Well that's our movie podcast. Thank you for. 3183 02:24:30,600 --> 02:24:33,239 Speaker 3: Your question. Question. 3184 02:24:34,079 --> 02:24:36,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, they just got a movie related question. Actually it 3185 02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:38,680 wasn't even specifically on movies and we just went on 3186 02:24:38,719 --> 02:24:42,479 a tangent. Uh it turns out they're good. All right. Well, 3187 02:24:42,760 --> 02:24:46,440 that is it for fire Escape. This week. We've got 3188 02:24:46,559 --> 02:24:49,959 merch at fire Escape merch dot com, Deep dish Pussy 3189 02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:51,799 dot Com that might go to the Patreon. You can 3190 02:24:51,799 --> 02:24:52,959 figure it out, you know, out of Google. 3191 02:24:53,239 --> 02:24:53,319 Speaker 3: Uh. 3192 02:24:53,440 --> 02:24:56,319 Speaker 2: But yeah, follow us on our socials on Instagram and 3193 02:24:56,520 --> 02:25:00,639 blue Sky anything in particular. You guys want plug before 3194 02:25:00,639 --> 02:25:01,600 we get out of here. 3195 02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:09,760 Speaker 4: Nope, next when this goes live, I'll be at twitch 3196 02:25:09,799 --> 02:25:14,760 Con in Rotterdam. So this is probably not for most 3197 02:25:14,760 --> 02:25:18,159 of you, but if you're in Europe next week, I'll 3198 02:25:18,159 --> 02:25:21,200 be at twitch Con, please feel free to stop by 3199 02:25:21,239 --> 02:25:21,719 and say hi. 3200 02:25:21,799 --> 02:25:22,760 Speaker 3: That would be so cool. 3201 02:25:23,399 --> 02:25:27,079 Speaker 4: Other than that, I'll be back on our regularly scheduled posts. 3202 02:25:27,719 --> 02:25:28,079 Speaker 2: That's it. 3203 02:25:28,239 --> 02:25:30,760 Speaker 4: I'll also be I won't be able to stream this 3204 02:25:30,879 --> 02:25:33,680 week because I'm I'm in Europe, so but I'm excited 3205 02:25:33,719 --> 02:25:36,040 to see anybody who who I run into there. 3206 02:25:37,079 --> 02:25:39,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me it's gime bomb dot com. We've 3207 02:25:39,159 --> 02:25:40,719 got summer games for us coming up. We were doing 3208 02:25:40,879 --> 02:25:44,159 gime Bomb at night. Make sure you tune in Friday 3209 02:25:44,159 --> 02:25:46,440 and Saturday night. We'll be doing some late night shows. 3210 02:25:46,440 --> 02:25:48,920 We got a couch full of guests. Tune in. Always 3211 02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:51,319 a great time. I'll try not to get assassinated via 3212 02:25:51,399 --> 02:25:53,239 confetti canon this time. 3213 02:25:53,479 --> 02:25:56,440 Speaker 3: Oh that was funny. That was like one of those 3214 02:25:56,440 --> 02:25:59,680 things where you could have been seriously injured. Yes I 3215 02:25:59,719 --> 02:26:02,639 could have, but you weren't, so it's funny. 3216 02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:04,520 Speaker 2: It felt like I might have been. 3217 02:26:05,159 --> 02:26:08,559 Speaker 3: All right, Yes, I think I'm going. I'll see you there. 3218 02:26:08,600 --> 02:26:10,360 Speaker 2: I'm in the studio. We got a new new place 3219 02:26:10,399 --> 02:26:11,840 and everything. Yeah, yeah, I want to see both of 3220 02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:15,360 you there would be great and uh. Until then, we 3221 02:26:15,399 --> 02:26:16,959 will be back in a couple of weeks where the 3222 02:26:16,959 --> 02:26:19,159 fire Escape cast see y'all. 3223 02:26:19,719 --> 02:26:27,959 Speaker 3: Bye, yah 3224 02:26:36,360 --> 02:26:37,760 Speaker 2: Yah yah