1 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious 2 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:18,760 Podcast with your co hosts James D. Graves and Jason Colban. 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,519 That is awesome. That is awesome. 4 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:23,839 Speaker 2: That is such a good introduction. 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we can follow that. 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: I'm not sure we canna live up to it, but 7 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:31,079 we're gonna have a good time trying. So today we're 8 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:34,840 going to talk about and compare Michael Jackson's Thriller album 9 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:36,960 versus Michael Jackson's Bad album. 10 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:39,119 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't think there's a comparison there because 11 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:40,880 Thriller is obviously the best album. 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,439 Speaker 2: It's the number one seller in history of music. 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 3: It is, but everybody tricks themselves into believing that Thriller 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,000 is a better album when Bad is actually a better album. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,759 Speaker 1: I thought we said we were not going to be 16 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:55,880 haters about this, so now I'm tricking myself that was happening. 17 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: Thriller is fantastic, and I mean, Thriller is a great 18 00:00:58,679 --> 00:00:59,880 album and really one of. 19 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: My and Bad is a great album in one of 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,799 my favorites. But there is no way that you can 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,599 think that Bad is better than Thriller. 22 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:08,799 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm going to explain why Bad is better 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,640 than Thriller, and hopefully I can get you to agree 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,680 with me, maybe some other people to agree with me 25 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:13,040 as well. 26 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so now you said that you loved Thriller ob usially, 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,959 Thriller came out before Bad, five years before Bad came 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,519 out in nineteen eighty two. Bad came out in nineteen 29 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,599 eighty seven. What do you remember from when you heard thriller? 30 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,599 Speaker 3: Okay, so Thriller to me is elementary school. That's my 31 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,640 fourth and fifth grade year, and I remember roller skating 32 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,280 to those songs and hearing them at basketball games. And 33 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,200 people that at my elementary school will be shocked to 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,480 hear that I'm preferable to Bad because I was very 35 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:46,680 much a Thriller mega fan in fourth and fifth grade. 36 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:49,799 My teacher, mister Hoover, my fifth grade teacher. I bet 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,280 you if we found him today called him up, he 38 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,120 would be like, there's no way Jason was mister Thriller. 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Okay, can somebody get mister Hoover on the line, please, mister, 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,239 I'm telling you call in the podcast. If we had 41 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,920 a phone, you can call it. Yeah, would be neat 42 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,200 if you could do call on podcasts. Well, I'm excited 43 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:08,360 to to talk about how I got there as well. 44 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:15,599 Let's let's keep on going, all right. 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,159 Speaker 2: Let me tell you about my experience. 46 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:20,199 Speaker 1: So I was six to seven years old the first 47 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,080 experience that I had with Michael Jackson, and I tell 48 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,439 everybody that that Thriller was my first. 49 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: LP to own. 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: But in kind of going back and looking at things, 51 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:33,759 I remember there was one LP, but I don't really 52 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,199 count it as great of an LP. 53 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: As it was. It was the Chipmunk Punk and. 54 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: I had Chipmunk Punk, which has literally no punk on 55 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,520 it at all, but it has it has some of 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,159 the greatest songs of that time, including songs from Queen 57 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:47,960 and Blondie. 58 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: Maybe some time we can debate whether or not the 59 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,800 Chipmunks were actually punk or not. 60 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:53,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were definitely not. 61 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,319 Speaker 1: So the first adult album that I ever owned, the 62 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:04,400 first adult LP I owned was Thriller, and I can 63 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:10,680 remember very clearly, was watching TV and I saw the 64 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:14,719 motown where the Jackson's got together again time. Michael Jackson 65 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:16,599 wasn't going to come like he and his brothers. I 66 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:18,800 guess it had a falling out and so he wasn't 67 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,599 even going to show up, but they begged him. He 68 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:26,879 said let me do a couple solos and and I'll 69 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:27,520 agree to do. 70 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: This the infamous Moonwalk Billy Jean. 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, absolutely so after the Jackson's get done 72 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,840 with their set, which I don't remember any of it all. 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,560 I mean, the only thing that I can have a 74 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:43,479 clear memory of, despite my extreme young age, is him 75 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,039 singing and then the dance that he did when he 76 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,479 hit the moonwalk and the crowd erupted. I said to myself, 77 00:03:52,479 --> 00:04:14,280 I want to be that guy. Did you have that 78 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:14,879 on record? 79 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: Or I had the LP? I had the vinyl LP. 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,399 Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha? 81 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,519 Speaker 3: And you could actually open it up and there was 82 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,519 drawings that Michael Jackson had done himself on the inside, 83 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,839 and I remember had to unfold the tape, but there 84 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:30,000 were other strong. 85 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:33,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, and these was the tape paper was always a disappointment, 86 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,079 I know, I know, I remember. I don't remember all 87 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:37,639 of them. I do remember the Girl is Mine. 88 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,519 Speaker 3: It had a picture of Michael and Paul sort of 89 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,800 like pulling on the girl, you know, like the wishbone. 90 00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I don't remember that at all. I remember 91 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:50,560 the front cover was what everybody saw, which was him 92 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,800 kind of posed in that awesome white jacket. And that 93 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:57,240 awesome black background. He and he's like almost glowing, and 94 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,160 he's got the cool little leopard, the leopard hang your 95 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:02,920 chief in his pocket and then when you opened it up, 96 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:05,160 you're like, oh, he's actually got a tiger on his knee, 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,639 Like there's a baby tiger there. Ah. Yeah, they they 98 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,279 didn't do anything wrong. Even the album design is flawless 99 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,720 on that. Yeah, it was amazing. 100 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:13,639 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 101 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: So Thriller was released November thirtieth, nineteen eighty two. 102 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,199 Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty two. It was when we started doing Valley 103 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,079 Girl Talk, a grody to the max and totally tubular 104 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,360 gag me with the spoon the guy who I'm doing it, 105 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,920 the delareate gloriate. Yes, he got busted. He got busted 106 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,959 in eighty two. I guess the DeLorean business was not 107 00:05:35,079 --> 00:05:37,680 going as well as he wanted it to and he 108 00:05:37,879 --> 00:05:41,319 got caught with about twenty million dollars worth of cocaine 109 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,720 and that was the end of the DeLorean car or 110 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,639 was it? 111 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,959 Speaker 4: Rose Well, what we Don't Need Road? 112 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: That summer was the release of another huge, huge movie. Yes, et. 113 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: Tea were seeing et Well, go ahead, yeah, I mean, 114 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:06,639 we'll talk about et in later episodes hopefully, but I 115 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:11,319 remember it just was just an avalanche of et that summer, 116 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,439 just out of control. I saw it many times in 117 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,839 the movie theater. I remember taking my mom. Then I 118 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,600 wanted to take my dad and take my sister and 119 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:21,560 take my friend, and so ET big, big at the 120 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:33,240 box office that summer. 121 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,519 Speaker 2: For that year. It sucked. 122 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: Looking at the music from nineteen eighty two is terrible, 123 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,279 like the biggest The biggest thing was Ebony and Ivory. 124 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: I remember that and I like that. 125 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: Song kind of yeah, yeah, I know how you feel 126 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,439 about those duets with Paul McCartney. I am doc ken, 127 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:56,600 you are blind. But I love rock and roll, which 128 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,480 was kind of you know it was it was the 129 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,519 end of the disco era and rock and roll was 130 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:01,040 coming back. 131 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:02,399 Speaker 2: So I love rock and roll. 132 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: I loved going to pizza parlor and I would hear 133 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:09,319 Pink Floyd, I would hear Queen and you Hero. I 134 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,199 love rock and roll every single time we went to 135 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:16,879 be to the pizza parlor. And so, yeah, music terrible. 136 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,319 Yeah until yes, November of. 137 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:35,279 Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty two, Yes, when Thriller was released, swamped everything. 138 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:39,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And so I think we're probably getting into 139 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,360 the meat of things now, so let's let's talk about that. 140 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,680 The track listing for thriller, We've got I want to 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,240 be Starting something, Baby Be Mine, The Girl is Mine Thriller, 142 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:52,759 and then on the other side, you've got Beat It. 143 00:07:52,839 --> 00:07:55,360 You've got Billy Jean, you've got Human Nature, and you've 144 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,480 got Pyt and the Lady in My Life. The first 145 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:02,639 song that was actually released from the album was released. 146 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: Before the album, was. 147 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: The Dog Against. 148 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: And so what happened was they're trying to put together 149 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,920 this album. They give Paul McCartney a call and Michael 150 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:24,120 Jackson's like, he's Michael Jackson speak Party's. 151 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: Paul McCarty's like, who is this Jackson. 152 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,519 Speaker 1: He's like he didn't believe it, and which is the 153 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,600 same thing happens a little bit later on to Beat It. 154 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:34,759 Speaker 2: But finally he's like, oh, this really is Michael Jackson. 155 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he says, you would just come over with 156 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,440 report song, sure, and so they could go over report song. 157 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:46,879 They do this ridiculous the Dog Girl is Mine, and 158 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,039 they put it out and it's a hit. 159 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: It's a hit. 160 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: It's a big hit, like it was, what did it? 161 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: It ranged number two on the Hot One hundred. That's 162 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,879 nice with no video support either, just kind of a release. 163 00:08:58,919 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: Right, So, oh yeah, that's the continuation. 164 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: We've got MTV. 165 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen Rock and Rolling. So MTV had just 166 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,200 come out the year before. It just came out in 167 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,360 August of eighty one, and so they're looking for I mean, 168 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,039 there's only two hundred and fifty videos in existence in 169 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,039 eighty two that they're just recycling over and over, so 170 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:25,200 they're trying to get more stuff. So they're excited about 171 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,279 what they can do with Michael Jackson because. 172 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: Well, no, wait a minute. So the only thing that 173 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:36,080 I'm wondering is when Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson did 174 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,360 a song called Say Say. 175 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 6: Sae, Say Say Say too long. 176 00:09:44,039 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: Game. 177 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,399 Speaker 1: Yes, that had a video with it. Yes, that's the 178 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,679 one where they're dressing up like clowns and stuff like that. Yeah, 179 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,759 it's like a traveling service. I don't think that came 180 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:54,759 out until later, but I don't know. It may have 181 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,360 been on a maybe it was on a Paul McCartney album. Yeah, 182 00:09:57,399 --> 00:09:58,759 here you go, it says Michael Jackson. 183 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:02,039 Speaker 3: Paul McCartney recorded Say Se Say and another song called 184 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,240 The Man for his fifth solo album Pipes of Peace, 185 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,799 that was released in nineteen eighty three. 186 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: So I guess I remember Pipes of Peace right, Well, 187 00:10:10,759 --> 00:10:12,120 you know, one of. 188 00:10:12,159 --> 00:10:15,799 Speaker 3: The best albums of the types of peace. So that 189 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,519 was released in nineteen eight three, so I guess that 190 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,879 was after Guy's mind. 191 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:21,759 Speaker 1: So okay, go, so girl is mine. Now the pressure's 192 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:25,120 on to get these things, this song out, so let's 193 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,480 just just real quick we can. 194 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: I just want to throw this out there. 195 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:32,639 Speaker 1: So Thriller has obviously Michael Jackson, and this is obviously 196 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:37,320 a collaborative effort. But we've got sir Paul McCartney. Yes, 197 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,559 then we've got Eddie van Halen. Yes. Do you know 198 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,559 who the band was that was playing the music Total? Yeah, yeah, 199 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:56,360 you guys from Total. That's exactly right. I mean they're 200 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,559 the most skilled guys playing music at the time, which 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:01,759 I mean is appropriate. 202 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: But it's kind of funny, you know. 203 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,039 Speaker 1: I don't think I would know any of those guys 204 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:05,919 if I saw. 205 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:08,279 Speaker 3: Him in walmart No, no, no chance. 206 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:16,039 Speaker 1: No. And they've got which is you know, for some 207 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,279 I still cannot figure out how that's resurged like it has. 208 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:23,000 So they hear they heard the Paul McCartney song and 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,799 they heard Dog on Girls Mind and they fell out 210 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:28,840 of their chair laughing. But who knows from good taste, 211 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:31,039 I guess because it was big and the pressure is 212 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:33,639 on to get this done. And they recorded Thriller in 213 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:39,039 eight weeks. They've got a couple of guys. Bruce Sweden 214 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,799 I believe is his last name, Rod Timbleton, Quincy Jones 215 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,399 and Michael Jackson are the four bodies in one brain 216 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,960 behind Thriller. They they're trying to get this thing that 217 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,639 they call the sonic sound, like it's the crisp sound, 218 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,000 and that is That's one of the things I remember 219 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:56,440 the most. 220 00:11:56,639 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: You listen to. 221 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,399 Speaker 1: Stuff before and after Thriller and you're like, why does 222 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,679 this sound so kind of foggy and muted and stuff 223 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,120 like that. It's because they didn't have that sonic sound, 224 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,120 and these guys were trying to do it. And after 225 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:14,279 eight weeks of recording, they listened to it and Michael 226 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,960 Jackson walks out and they find him in the room 227 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,519 across the hall sobbing because it doesn't sound right. And 228 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,360 so for the next three days they remix and re 229 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,759 record or then re record. They remixed the entire album 230 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,360 so here's the thing. It's too much music, it's too long. 231 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,720 And what happens when you try to pack in a 232 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,120 whole bunch of stuff on those LPs is the grooves 233 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:42,120 get tighter and tighter, and so you lose all of 234 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:46,200 the little pinks and pops and make it exciting. They 235 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:52,080 remixed it all and gave us that sound, which is thriller. 236 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, but we also talked about I was talking to 237 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,720 you earlier. It was very nearly not thriller. It was 238 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:27,000 almost called Starlight. Starlight, Yes, starlight, you know, just doesn't 239 00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:28,919 have the same ring as thriller. 240 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Definitelyton's the one that came up with the title 241 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:35,759 track title of the album. He's becuase he's like, this 242 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,120 is this is good, but it's not quite what we need, 243 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,159 you know, think of something else, work on it. Good 244 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,279 try And he said he woke up the next morning 245 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,759 and it just was the word in his head. 246 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:45,519 Speaker 2: It was just thriller. 247 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: And he said he could see it on the billboards, 248 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,559 he could see it on the marquee. He could see 249 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,360 the thriller and he was like, this is it. This 250 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,799 is the name of the album. And then I mean 251 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,720 they're literally weeks into production, like they haven't even written 252 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,559 the song yet. They've in some other song called Starlight, 253 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:04,840 and so they're back at it again. So they they 254 00:14:04,919 --> 00:14:08,320 put these songs, they put the right words to Thriller 255 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:10,679 and then they're like, okay, there's got to be a 256 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:13,120 rap at the end. Yes, it has to be a rap, 257 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,399 talking about all the contributors to the album, right, And 258 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,080 they're like, okay, well, we don't know who's going to 259 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,799 do the rap, and we haven't written the rap yet. 260 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,200 And Quincy Jones is like, you know, my wife knows 261 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,559 Vincent Price and like, okay, call him up. Let's get 262 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,240 him in here. And so he calls him. Next day, 263 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,159 he's like, hey, he's on the way over, and Rod 264 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:34,440 Templeton's like in the taxi. He's like, I haven't even 265 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,679 written the rap yet, and so he writes it like 266 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,960 freaking Abraham Lincoln on an envelope. He's writing the rap 267 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:47,120 on the way and he like he gets there, he 268 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,360 sees the limo pull up, he sees Vincent Price get 269 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:53,399 out of the limo, and so he runs around back, 270 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:57,480 throws it to a receptionist and says, copy this for me, 271 00:14:57,879 --> 00:14:59,919 and so she does a quick. 272 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: What on what they were. They weren't xeroxes back then. 273 00:15:02,879 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: It was like a photography, you know, yeah, yeah, And 274 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,679 so she does that and puts it on the stand 275 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:09,559 just as Price comes into the recording studio. 276 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,919 Speaker 6: Docness all across the land in the mid tight hour, 277 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:21,360 exclosive hair, people, the creatures all in search of blood, 278 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:27,399 the terrorized alls, neighborhood and whos, however, now be found 279 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,639 without the cells or getting down the style, and makes 280 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:41,320 the homes of hell and rocked inside a call shell. 281 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: And he does like two takes. 282 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: Two takes. 283 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: It's you know how she was paid for that nothing 284 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,559 less than one thousand dollars. Yeah, less than one thousand dollars. 285 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:55,039 And it was heard on every radio station around the 286 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:57,360 world for the next three Christmases. 287 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:00,519 Speaker 1: Right, Well, he and Eddie need to get together. 288 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:00,919 Speaker 2: I guess. 289 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,799 Speaker 1: I think Eddie got like a couple of cases of beer, 290 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,320 Like I mean, he really he got nothing. 291 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: I did read it a little bit that Benzi Price 292 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:11,600 was not pleased that they didn't. 293 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,279 Speaker 1: Give him more money, give him more money about that. 294 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:15,879 Speaker 2: He kind of had a resurgence of fame. And I 295 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:17,600 would think that would have yourselthing. 296 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:21,639 Speaker 3: With lines like the funk of forty thousand years? How 297 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:22,360 can he go wrong? 298 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:29,039 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, okay, two takes less than a thousand bucks. Okay, 299 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:31,159 before we go any further, can we just take a 300 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,000 minute and do a Potter and Family shout out? 301 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:34,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 302 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay. Podcasters are a very supportive community. We've received 303 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:42,039 support from so many out there, and there are some 304 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:44,799 that we love and we'd like to give support to. Absolutely. 305 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: So today we want to recognize the guys at the 306 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,960 thirty something Movie Podcast. 307 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: They take movies that are thirty years in the making 308 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:55,360 and they do an analysis of the movie to say, yeah, 309 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:57,639 this is a movie that you should revisit or no, 310 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,279 it's okay, you don't have to come back and see 311 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:00,000 this again right now. 312 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. So they've been doing it for about 313 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,640 five years or so. This they are now entering nineteen ninety. 314 00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the nineties decade has just begun, and I'm super 315 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,680 excited to hear what they have. They've been so supportive 316 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,240 of everything that we've done and we love what they do. 317 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, Thanks, guys, We really appreciate Illinois contingent. 318 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,799 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's do you want to go into track 319 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:23,079 by track now? Let's go track by track, okay, So 320 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,039 let's we're gonna look at the singles, all right. 321 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 3: Well, wait minute, wait minute, let's let's go album. Let's 322 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,920 go hold out, hold out, hold album. 323 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we start with want to Be 324 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:37,480 Starting Something? Yes, what did you tell me about want 325 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:37,839 to Be Starting? 326 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: So pop in the tape or the album whatever. Three 327 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:50,119 beats in that first little right that that drum track, 328 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:54,480 I'm in. I'm totally in want to Be Starting Something. 329 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,200 It's fantastic, right, And then just from that track alone, 330 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,359 so you've got that great groove of the beginning, maybe 331 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,440 maybe the best first track of any album. 332 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,599 Speaker 1: All right, because it's going to be starting something. 333 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,279 Speaker 3: Right, and it just it kicks off the album. It's 334 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:14,759 here we go, let's get it on. And then you 335 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,680 close with the now infamous Mamase Mama Sama markraso. 336 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,319 Speaker 1: Right, do we do you know what that means? No? 337 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:33,559 Speaker 3: I have no idea that, so, yeah, I mean, what's 338 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:34,640 your what's your take on that one? 339 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,279 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I mean that the I think that the 340 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,880 what what he did with the combination of sounds there, 341 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,000 He's got obviously the jazz influence with Quincy Jenes going 342 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,319 on it's got that kind of Caribbean feel about it 343 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,799 and a little African Yeah, and an African mix. He's 344 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:54,839 definitely you've got those the rhythms that you didn't have before. 345 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,839 Like you said, those drum beats, but with that crisper 346 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,880 sharper sound, it just can't be beat. 347 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:02,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 348 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: Great, great track. 349 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:04,279 Speaker 1: Great. 350 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: It actually reached number five on the Hot one hundred. Okay, 351 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,960 no video, but still released as a single, did very 352 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,079 well and with five yeah, right, very very strong showing. 353 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: All right. Okay, so next track is Baby Be Mine, 354 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,720 which I skipped. 355 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:32,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's skip it. It's it's junk. Yeah, it actually 356 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:36,160 to me, it's it's disci. It sounds like it belongs 357 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,000 on off the Wall. 358 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: Right, It's definitely it's it's got more of the horns 359 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,119 and jazz stuff that I really don't want to. 360 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,799 Speaker 3: Yeah it for me, that's a I had a little 361 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:50,880 boombox that if play was down, you can get fast 362 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:57,559 forward and you get them. That's what Yeah, that's what 363 00:19:57,599 --> 00:19:59,519 baby Be Mine sounds like in my head, right right. 364 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:02,920 I did listen to it for this podcast, and I 365 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,559 still think it's. 366 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 7: John but yeah, yeah, definitely I throw away track in 367 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,799 my mind as well, then the next one is The 368 00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:12,720 Girl is Mine, which we've already talked about, right, and 369 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,079 it's simple it is. 370 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: It is a catchy tune. It is goofy lyrics, the 371 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:19,880 dog on Girl is Mine. 372 00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:25,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, the dog on Girl is Mine and Paul I 373 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:27,599 told you, I'm a lover, not a fighter. 374 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: Dude, that's the best part of the. 375 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Okay, I love Thriller, but this one. 376 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: Okay, but it. 377 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,279 Speaker 3: Did reach number two in the Hot one hunder right, 378 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:43,960 so clearly a smash. It. 379 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,039 Speaker 1: I's at seven years old, thought it was fantastic. I 380 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:50,519 still like listening. I know every word I told when 381 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:52,799 we you know, we said, hey, we're doing this, I said, 382 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:55,960 and we both listened to the each album beginning to end. 383 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:58,160 When I walked away, that was the song that was 384 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,480 still in my head. It wasn't Thriller, it wasn't beat It, it 385 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,079 wasn't Billy Jean. It was The Girl is Mine, because yeah, 386 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:11,319 freaking Beatles know how to make you okay. And then 387 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,559 we've got Thriller, which I mean we've already talked about 388 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:19,680 the making of right, so the electronic and syntheset ethetic 389 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:22,400 music that was coming at the time kind of left 390 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,039 me cold most of the time, but these guys took 391 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,640 it and made it something amazing. It's fantastic, like you're 392 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,079 walking into walking into space. I mean, it's just those 393 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,759 beginning pure It's just it's too cool. 394 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: You've got you've got slamming doors, you've got creaky noors, 395 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:47,839 you've got howling wolves, you know, and then you've got the. 396 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's so good, it's so good. It's well. 397 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:01,559 Speaker 3: This was the last single released, only made it to number. 398 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,799 Speaker 1: Four, which is crazy to me. 399 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:16,559 Speaker 4: It's insane. 400 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:15,519 Speaker 3: For this song to have this kind of life right 401 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:17,319 and never make it to number. 402 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: One, I know, and you will even to this day, 403 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:24,680 you will see people recreating the song the dance that 404 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:27,519 was done in the video, which, by the way, that 405 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,160 video was like the timing of MTV and Michael Jackson's 406 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,160 release of Thriller, and also I would like to mention 407 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,559 the release of American Werewolf in London. Jack all came 408 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,680 together in this beautiful, perfect power of notice. 409 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 410 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: So they're wanting to make this video and the CBS 411 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,680 is like, no, we're selling a ton of these. We 412 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,359 don't need to sell more. I mean, we can't make 413 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,839 them as fast as we're selling them, why would we 414 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 want to release another single? So they didn't want to 415 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,519 release the single and so that so they have to 416 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:03,920 figure out how are we going to pay for the 417 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,440 video if the CBS isn't willing to pay for the 418 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,319 video and we know that we want to blow it 419 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,640 out of the water with John Landis directing, and this 420 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,160 really great. I mean they change the way, they changed 421 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,680 the way of videos, which was a weird, a weird 422 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,160 thing to say looking back and thinking, oh, video has 423 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,640 really only been going on about a year, right, it was. 424 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:25,920 It was unlike anything ever done. So they go to 425 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:28,000 MTV and they say, we would like you to pay 426 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:32,839 for it, and MTV says, we can't do that. I mean, 427 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,240 we start making we start making videos for artists, We're 428 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:40,400 going to lose, yeah, And so they what they said is, 429 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:47,039 we'll agree to finance the making of thriller and then 430 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:51,720 you can use the proceeds from that as the money 431 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:54,839 to make the video of thriller. Interesting, I don't even 432 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:55,599 know how that works. 433 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 3: Well, so okay, so wait, when you're talking about the 434 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,960 video directed by on Landis the same guy who did 435 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,079 American World, for London. 436 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: He also did National Lampoon's Animal House. 437 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,799 Speaker 3: Animal House Training Places, right, I mean he's done some 438 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:12,720 some big time movies. 439 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: Rick Baker did the makeup for this. 440 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: Right, Rick Baker of a Star Wars fan. 441 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 3: Star Wars American World from London, So he did all 442 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,240 the transformative you know, changing Michael into her where all 443 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:27,519 changing Michael into zombie. 444 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: So you've got the video, You've got the Playboy model. 445 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,160 Do you remember her name? Her name was Ola Ray Ray. Yes, 446 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,279 thank you beautiful. 447 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:42,319 Speaker 3: I didn't know she was in Playboy though, So what are. 448 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: We going to do now? Oh? 449 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's Google's arch No, I'm just kidding. And 450 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:50,359 they completely redo the song in order to fit the video. 451 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:52,680 I mean they don't did. Yeah, that's right. And so 452 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,960 you've got this long that dance sequence. Michael's totally zombie down. 453 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Do you remember about Thriller? 454 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 3: I was just gonna us make mention of it. So 455 00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:03,119 I was curious about this. I don't know if anybody 456 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,200 else to be curious about this, but. 457 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: So Thriller was not never made it to number one 458 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:07,480 on the Hot. 459 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: One hundred, right, So I'm like, immediately when I see this, 460 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,240 I'm like, what in the heck kept it out of 461 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,599 the number one spot. What songs are good enough to 462 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,920 keep Thriller out of the number one spot? So I 463 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,119 went back and I and I went to Billboard and 464 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,400 I found it so so Thriller made it to number four, right, 465 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,480 So these three kept Thriller out of the number one. Man, 466 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,519 they're so good. 467 00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 4: I don't know. 468 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,279 Speaker 3: It's justified, it is, It almost is so number one. 469 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,599 The week that Thriller peaked at number four, number one 470 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,279 was jumped by Van Halen. I mean justified, Yeah, justified 471 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:47,240 eighties iconic song number two ninety nine Affluence by. 472 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,599 Speaker 2: Nina Right, great song, great song. 473 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: Right, yep? 474 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: Okay, number three Yes, girls just want to have Fun 475 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,839 by Cindy Lauper once again. 476 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,279 Speaker 1: I mean, you've defined the eight in four songs. That's right, 477 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,240 in four songs. 478 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: If that's all you know about that, you've got a 479 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,319 pretty good handle. 480 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because you've got your one hit wonder 481 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,000 in there. Yes, you've got the rock and roll band 482 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:15,160 that dominated MTV with their just absurd. We're just standing 483 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:22,000 on stage singing and dancing and jumping and being crazy 484 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,759 as well. Just jump. There's really literally nothing in the 485 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:27,119 video but man, that thing was on all the time 486 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,680 because it was just awesome to watch them, which speaks 487 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,720 to how good David Lee Roth is. By the way, 488 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,240 we'll cover that later. He's great, he's great. You're absolutely right, 489 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,640 and you never knew whether you're going to get English 490 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,319 and what was the originally Germany? 491 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife and I had a conversation about this 492 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,920 that she loves to remind me of. What's so ninety 493 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 nine left Balloons is clearly the German version. 494 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: Right. 495 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 3: We had an argument one time and I felt like, man, 496 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,440 I know eighties music. Yeah, and to me that song 497 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,920 is in is English and she's like, no, it's like 498 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:04,880 German or something. 499 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,039 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's English. 500 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: So we have this anyway. She loves to rub it 501 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:09,799 my face. 502 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: Well, it's both, it's both. I mean they sang it 503 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,920 in both English and German. You're both right. That's a 504 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,440 win and if you're arguing with your wife, that's a 505 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:21,119 definite way. 506 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 3: So anyway, So Thriller is the fourth track on the. 507 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: Album, right, Okay, So and my I don't know what 508 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,920 happened to me when I was a kid, but the 509 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720 way that things started on that album for me was 510 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,599 beat It like somehow I played side to first. Maybe 511 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,039 I just saw that Thriller was the final side on 512 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,119 one thing, and so I thought, Okay, that's the end song, 513 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:48,799 right beat it has to be the first song, because 514 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,720 at that time Beat it was huge. They had kind 515 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,279 of said, hey, we need a rock song. Quincy Jones 516 00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:02,079 goes to Michael Jackson and plays him My Sharona and 517 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,039 he's like, we need something like this, we need a 518 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,640 rock rock song. And Michael says, I've got something. I 519 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,559 don't have the lyrics yet, I'll get it. Comes back 520 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,680 the next day has it has the song and. 521 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 4: It rocks, and the music was the m. 522 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,799 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question about it. This is a 523 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,720 rock song. This is not the disco. 524 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,039 Speaker 1: Of Off the Wall, this is not the jazz of 525 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,680 Quincy Jones. This is Michael Jackson rocking the heck out 526 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,759 of the song. Fantastic. And then the video is this 527 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,039 kind of dirty, gritty, you know, you kind of look 528 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:42,720 back on it now and it looks a little cheesy, 529 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,440 but at the time it was like, oh, these are 530 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:46,640 you know, these are the gangs of New York, no doubt, 531 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,279 but they were actual gangs. Other than certain dancers. 532 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: They had real gang members on the set. 533 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: So the guy who wears the white jacket, that's the 534 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,599 choreographer that I was talking about. His name is His 535 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,079 first name is Jeff, and I'm forgetting his last name 536 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:08,039 right now, but he it old Jeff, Yeah, Jeff. And 537 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,039 so obviously he was the one that put together the 538 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720 dance for the guitar solo that happens, which is this 539 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:19,319 really you know, Sharks versus Jets kind of clearly based 540 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,440 on West Side Story. Yeah, west Side Story deal. And 541 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,640 you got Eddie's screaming solo in the back, which I 542 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,200 guess I haven't talked about that either. That was the 543 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,160 other thing. So Quincy called Eddie about coming to He's like, 544 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,640 I got this, you know, Michael's written the song and 545 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,359 Eddie's like who is He's like, it's Quincy Jones. He's 546 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,720 like fu and hangs up the phone and apparently did 547 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,680 that about four different times before Quincy Jones really convinced him, Hey, 548 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,680 this is really Quincy Jones. And he's like, oh, oh, 549 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,119 I'm so sorry, And so he goes in. He's like, 550 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,400 so what do you want me to do? They said, 551 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,640 you're here because you know what to do. So you 552 00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:53,000 just do it, and so he messes around with it 553 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,039 for a minute and says, hey, can you change the 554 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,559 core progression in this spot here and the spot here, 555 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,000 and you can hear it when you listen to the 556 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:04,039 song the progression changes. And then he throws that solo 557 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:05,880 down and I think again it was a two take 558 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,720 type of deal. But as he's throwing it down, this 559 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,720 is this is not urban myth. Like all of the 560 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,720 guys who are there, I've seen them, they all say 561 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:17,240 the same thing. He set the monitor on fire. It 562 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:22,240 actually went on fire, and like he's playing, and the 563 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,559 monitors starts flaming and they're. 564 00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:25,359 Speaker 2: Like, holy smokes. 565 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,319 Speaker 1: And the text run in and they've got their you know, 566 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,680 their extinguishers and they're trying to put it out. And 567 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440 one guy turns to the other. Rod turns to Bruce 568 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,559 and he's like, I guess this means it's going to 569 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,400 be That's fantastic. 570 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,079 Speaker 3: But Thriller in general is noted for having three strong 571 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,519 Christmas seasons eighty two, eighty three, and eighty four owned 572 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,000 Christmas three years in a row. That's unheard of, that 573 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,039 would never happen today. 574 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it makes total sense because they released and 575 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,279 they were trying that they wanted the Christmas album, and 576 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,279 I think probably the first of those three and eighty 577 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,559 two was probably the weakest. But they wanted it out 578 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,880 before Christmas because they wanted people. They knew that Off 579 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,400 the Wall had done well, they knew that they made 580 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,519 a good album, right, they wanted it released by Christmas. 581 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:39,079 It just didn't do as well as they had hoped 582 00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,720 that it would. But then it's the release of thriller 583 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,440 video that next year. It causes the big resurgence at 584 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,359 Christmas for eighty three, and then it's the unfortunate fire 585 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,799 that causes the big resurgeon for eighty four. Wow, incredible. 586 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so Mack to beat it? We saw the video? 587 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,319 Is this where we talked about where now for me? 588 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:06,279 Speaker 2: And oh sure you want to talk about weird out? 589 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,079 Speaker 1: I mean I might as well throw it in. 590 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: Here's a little side note. 591 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,079 Speaker 1: I don't think you grew up in the eighties without 592 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:13,720 either loving or hating word Ayankvi. 593 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: I mean this was my introduction to wed now oh too. 594 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I don't know what the. 595 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,759 Speaker 3: I think he had some stuff before this, but he 596 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:21,640 was well, he was on a. 597 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: Show called Doctor Demento. But I think that I think 598 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,519 that this that that eat It really led to the 599 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:30,799 album which I had, which introduced me to a whole 600 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,480 lot of other things. Right and oddly, I think I 601 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,759 like I lost on Jeopardy. I thought that's what the 602 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,000 real lyrics were. I didn't realize that that was that 603 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,279 was not what the real lyrics were. So I was 604 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:42,400 surprised to hear about that. 605 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: I showed Eva, my daughter, the weird al video the 606 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,400 other day. 607 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: Eat it. Okay, so weird. I eat it? 608 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 3: Obviously, beat it is what it's based on. It still kills. 609 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: She loved it. She thought it was hilarious. Well, the 610 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,519 my kids have, they have no inclination to watch the 611 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:06,640 bad video at all, but they will watch Fat Day Long. Okay, Yeah, 612 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,599 well we'll get to that. Yeah a minute, okay, okay, 613 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,359 so we beat it. Billy Jean, I've already talked about brilliant. 614 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,319 It's you know, the songs on here. The the reason 615 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,359 not only is it the sound that sets them apart, 616 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,920 but they do not sound like any other songs that 617 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,079 were before this time, like they changed the paradigm and 618 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,480 this was a shift that happened. And Billy Jean is 619 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,680 obviously a huge factor on that that. 620 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:36,839 Speaker 2: It's just brilliant. 621 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,559 Speaker 1: So then we've got we've hit Billy Jean. 622 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,039 Speaker 3: So let's talk just a minute about Billy Jean. So 623 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,519 Billy Jean, obviously you have the Motown performance where it 624 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,079 does the moonwalk, where people just lose their mind over 625 00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:51,240 what they're seeing and it still kills. I mean when 626 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,279 I look at it, I'm like, my body is not 627 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:54,440 capable of doing what he's. 628 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,759 Speaker 1: Doing, right, And he was disappointed in it too, apparently 629 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,160 hold the topos for like a good second and a 630 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,319 half and it was just a pop and done. But 631 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,559 I you know, I saw the interview. 632 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,799 Speaker 3: He was not pleased that he wanted to spin and 633 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,880 stick it for like five seconds or something to the 634 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,679 toe and it was just an up and down and 635 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,840 he was mad at himself on that. 636 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,079 Speaker 1: Right. But that's now what kind of defines people who 637 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,800 who recreate that dances. They'll just do the momentary pop 638 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,440 up and it seems cooler to me. I think it 639 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,159 probably would have been weird if you to help. That's 640 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,239 why it's not a ballerina, right. 641 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,519 Speaker 3: So the song was obviously a number one hit on 642 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,119 the Oh. So before we move on, Thriller reached number 643 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:35,079 four on the Hot one hundred. 644 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:36,519 Speaker 1: We talked about that beat. 645 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,559 Speaker 3: It was a number one hit, yes, okay, one of 646 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,519 only two number one hits on the album. 647 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Thrill produce. It seems like it might be playing 648 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,480 into your argument later on the fact that you were two. 649 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 3: So Billy Jean was actually the other number one hit 650 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,280 from Thriller. 651 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So as bad as eighty two sucked, eighty three 652 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,880 and eighty four were really pretty. 653 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:57,519 Speaker 2: Darned good for music. 654 00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,559 Speaker 1: They were fantastic for me. Okay, I'm not gonna we 655 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:02,599 will get into that part things. Yeah, let's let's finish 656 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,920 out the album. Okay, sorry, do we cover Billy Jane? 657 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,599 We got Billy Jane? 658 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 2: I think Billy Gene is covered. 659 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So Human Nature, Human Nature re'll catch you too 660 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,719 late add to the album. 661 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,639 Speaker 3: By the way, So Human Nature reached number seven on 662 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,320 the Hot one hundred, So another top ten. 663 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: Head for me. 664 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 3: The song is excellent, love it a little soft in 665 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,880 the middle, but there's that one section that we'll play 666 00:35:28,960 --> 00:36:08,000 right now hopefully. 667 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,639 Speaker 1: Yes, that part is gold. And then second to the 668 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,440 last album on the track is p y T Pretty 669 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,639 Young Thing. Second to the last track on the album 670 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:05,480 is that free strike that puy t and so the 671 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,599 this is where the Chipmunks come back into play again. 672 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,559 I think I heard that song like, oh, this is 673 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,360 the guys from my Chipmunk Punk album. 674 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,079 Speaker 2: I'm so excited. 675 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,679 Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, for some reason, he's got a couple 676 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,039 of weird little voices that come in on this one. 677 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,079 But it doesn't tarnish the beauty of the song. 678 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:29,199 Speaker 3: Well, we can talk about that, I. 679 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,079 Speaker 1: Think what I can. 680 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: So, yes, you got the Chipmunks at the end of 681 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,920 the p y t, which, in my opinion, does tarnish 682 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,960 a great song. Okay, so you do have So you've 683 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,400 got Janet and LaToya singing. 684 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the backups right. 685 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 2: There, they're the they are the p y Ts. 686 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 3: Yes, they are the pys his sisters. Yes, and sounds good, 687 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,559 sounds great. And then you get the Chipmuncks. 688 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,199 Speaker 1: Okay, so do you know who the chipmunky is? No, 689 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,719 it's Michael Jackson. Still not good enough to say it. 690 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,679 Oh yeah, But here's the thing. It's nineteen eighty two 691 00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,119 and Chipmunk Punk is one of the biggest selling albums 692 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:21,119 of all time. And we know that one of Michael's 693 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,480 biggest things is he wants to sell a lot of albums, right, 694 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,239 he does, clearly. And you listen to Quincy Jones or 695 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,679 you listen to Rod Templeton talk and they're like, let's 696 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:31,400 just go make a good album. You listen to guys 697 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,480 from Toto who did the Back, They're like, let's just 698 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:35,960 go make some good music. You don't know, You're never 699 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:37,400 going to know whether this is going to be a 700 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,960 big hit or not. But Michael Jackson had went from 701 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,360 alter famous as Little Michael Jackson and the Jackson five 702 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,440 to famous again. 703 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,559 Speaker 3: And really this is the explanation of why Michael Jackson's weird. 704 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,559 Speaker 1: Not why he's weird, it's that he wants to be 705 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,480 his I don't think his motivation is money. I think 706 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,039 his motivation Okay, maybe his motivation's money. He wants to 707 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,159 sell an audio, he wants to sell a lot of albums. Yes, 708 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,239 that is what seems to be his driving force. And 709 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,320 so he here he sees the chipmunk punk has gone crazy, 710 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,719 and he's like, put a chipmunk voice in my thing. 711 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,880 I'll just do it. I'll just do it, and I'll 712 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,079 speed myself up and it'll be fun. Right, And so 713 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,119 I think that's I mean, I think he did. I 714 00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:21,360 think he did a money grab or a fame grab 715 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,239 or something with that, and I think it worked because 716 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:27,480 I was at the time going, oh cool, Chipmunk Okay. 717 00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,199 Speaker 3: Well, let me just say, first of all, I love 718 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,360 the song PI t Okay. I love it. 719 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,679 Speaker 1: It's very catchy. 720 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,599 Speaker 3: No video reached number ten on the Hot one hundred yep, 721 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:41,280 so clearly a smash it. You get Janet and LaToya 722 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,639 is kind of known for getting some of that, and 723 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,119 it works well, it's good. 724 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:48,559 Speaker 1: There's just that. 725 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 3: Michael Jackson's weirdness just kind of creeps in the end 726 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,000 of it. It's kind of the sin of the album. 727 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:57,320 But it's it's catchy and it's good and I like it. 728 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,639 Speaker 1: I clearly like piit a lot. Right, you didn't have it. 729 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 3: If I could strike the Chickmunks from this album. 730 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: You didn't have Chipmunk Punk. I did not. I had 731 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,119 Chipmunk Punk, An Urban Chipmunk, and probably the other three 732 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,280 albums that came out. Act I was nine, I guess 733 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,199 I was. Yeah, you were past that. It was beyond 734 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,159 your time. And then the album rounds out with the 735 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,719 Lady of My Life, which again is yeah, it's a 736 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,320 throwaway track for me as well, a stinker. How did 737 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:25,840 that clear? 738 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 3: So? I heard I heard quinc J was talking about 739 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,360 and you said, you start with eight hundred songs and 740 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,440 then you try to get it down to nine good ones, right, 741 00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,599 which they felt like they did. Then they threw out 742 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:39,800 some and through all that, the Lady in My Life 743 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,440 somehow clears all the hurdles to make it the greatest 744 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:42,960 solo album. 745 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: Well yeah, so of all of the all of the 746 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,679 tracks on the album, only two of them are skippers 747 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,519 for me. You know, I'm gonna skip, I'm gonna skip 748 00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,679 Baby Be Mine, I'm gonna skip the Lady in My Life. 749 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,559 But the rest of the album, I mean. 750 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 2: It changed music history. 751 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 3: Was a pop culture nuclear bomb, absolutely without question. 752 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: And I note with some embarrassment but not a lot, 753 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,159 that my grandma made me a sequin glove and I 754 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:15,519 would wear that a school. 755 00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:21,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, now he I didn't realize you were that cool. 756 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay. And so then eighty seven comes along. 757 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 4: You know, those were good songs. I like those songs 758 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,840 a lot, but especially. 759 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: I like the new songs. 760 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,559 Speaker 3: Much anticipated, right, so maybe the most anticipated album of 761 00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:45,039 all time. 762 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,159 Speaker 1: So join us next week for Part two of the 763 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,559 Bad versus Thriller debate. Here is some of what you 764 00:40:56,599 --> 00:41:03,719 will hear off the wall is Star are worse thrillers 765 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:06,320 and Bad and Bad is returning. 766 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 3: We'll get into this, okay. Chris Jones actually got Prince 767 00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,079 and Michael Jackson together, and Bad was originally intended to 768 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:18,840 be a duet, sort of a back and forth. Your 769 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,320 butt is mine, right? 770 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: That becomes more uncomfortable like that? Okay, the point that 771 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,239 he starts doing those yells that. 772 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,039 Speaker 4: I will. 773 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,199 Speaker 2: What the heck? 774 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: This is the best song on either alum, Oh no, no, 775 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,119 this is. 776 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 3: The best song on either album. You it's not my favorite, 777 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,679 but it's the best one. 778 00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: The next one is Dirty Diana. You will not hear 779 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:59,480 me say anything bad about Dirty dwn. Okay, thank you 780 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,360 so much for your support of the Shirley you Can't 781 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,519 Be Serious podcast. Don't forget. 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Golly, 791 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,320 I can I forget this? 792 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 2: Sorry? 793 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 1: Keep going well, I was just going to say say 794 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,599 they say is big because of the video. 795 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,559 Speaker 3: The only thing I remember is Michael Jackson winning in 796 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:53,599 our wrestling contest. 797 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 1: All music, images and movie clips are used for the 798 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,599 purposes of commentary and education in conjunction with the fair 799 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:09,559 Use Agreement under the U S Copyright Law.