Speaker 1: Bad Bella, thank you so much for coming on with
Speaker 1: me today. So okay, when I was going through the
Speaker 1: names of the PR agent who she's booking, and this
Speaker 1: and that Erica or dear sweet Erica, we love her,
Speaker 1: I came across yours and I went, okay, bad Bella,
Speaker 1: I don't quite know her yet. Let me investigate, let
Speaker 1: me dive in. Boy, did I get an eyephl or
Speaker 1: an earful whatever it would be. You are amazing. You
Speaker 1: are producing some of the most interesting and like fun
Speaker 1: content out there. Now let me start with the most basic,
Speaker 1: boring question. Take as long as you want answering it
Speaker 1: or as short as you want. What was your initial
Speaker 1: entrance into the adult entertainment industry? When were you like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is it. I'm going to make that jump, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take that step.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I used to be a fashion model, Like
Speaker 2: I'm a model for designers. I was also a fashion producer.
Speaker 2: I did like lingerie fashion shows, but also like elegant
Speaker 2: evening gowns. I get all of it. I mean I
Speaker 2: was a go go to answer too, Like I was
Speaker 2: in the club industry. I was a club owner, so
Speaker 2: I was like around, can I say you.
Speaker 1: Can say whatever you want.
Speaker 2: So I was like around like the like the sex world,
Speaker 2: but like not fully not inform but so and then
Speaker 2: I stopped doing all that, and then like COVID hit
Speaker 2: and I didn't start right away, but then I saw
Speaker 2: like people like posting about only fans. I was so
Speaker 2: curious what that was. And then I, okay, so I
Speaker 2: don't think I saw this on a podcast before, but
Speaker 2: there's this guy was super hot, to be honest, and
Speaker 2: she started posting it only fans and I was like,
Speaker 2: so what is that? You said filming in progress on
Speaker 2: your story? What is that? What are you doing? You know?
Speaker 2: Like and I'd already started during COVID like modeling again
Speaker 2: as a hobby, and like photographers were always like trying
Speaker 2: to get me naked and photo shoots before that, and
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Like it's understandable, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: I would do him fly, but I was like, what's
Speaker 2: the point of me spreading my legs and going topless?
Speaker 2: Like for you, Like, what is the point for me?
Speaker 2: I can't post this anywhere? And then during COVID, a
Speaker 2: photographers like, oh, I'll pay you, and I was like, genius,
Speaker 2: I will totally do whatever, like I was like spread
Speaker 2: like topless, like we're good, you're paying me, it's fine.
Speaker 2: So and then and then like I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: only fans, like what is it like? At first I
Speaker 2: didn't really understand how much porn and buts it was
Speaker 2: like I didn't really understand, and so I thought it
Speaker 2: was more like for like modeling photos, like I don't
Speaker 2: really fully understand. I'd seen that guy's story about filming
Speaker 2: in forwers, but I didn't really understand if I've met,
Speaker 2: and so I'd like like i'd really like tame like topless,
Speaker 2: side boob like this like stuff at first, and then
Speaker 2: guys like where your videos? Where your videos? And like
Speaker 2: what videos? And then I yeah, and I was like
Speaker 2: oh oh, and so like so I hadn't been single
Speaker 2: and I got single during COVID. I hadn't been single
Speaker 2: in like eight or so years, so like I hadn't
Speaker 2: sent like news to guys in like eight years, and
Speaker 2: like I hadn't recorded myself like so I was like,
Speaker 2: how am I doing this? I was like holding the phone,
Speaker 2: I was like fingering myself. I was like is this fun?
Speaker 2: This is how I do this? Like, so I saw
Speaker 2: those videos the first two videos I did, which was
Speaker 2: like holding the phone.
Speaker 1: But do you go back and look at those now
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my god, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: I was doing, or are you like that's kind of
Speaker 1: like vintage shit? Like I get that, and that's nice.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I feel like they're great.
Speaker 1: That's good. You should have high expectations for yourself and deliver,
Speaker 1: which it sounds like you've done.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I was just I was fingering at
Speaker 2: this and then I had a toy there, like I
Speaker 2: mean solid, I figured it out real quick.
Speaker 1: So so you said you had done GOVID, so what
Speaker 1: Uh it's I'm sorry. I'm thrown off by it because
Speaker 1: I interviewed a girl last night, actually a new girl
Speaker 1: coming into the industry. I mean, word for word almost
Speaker 1: what you said there. She had done modeling before this,
Speaker 1: and that someone mentioned only fans she posts a bunch
Speaker 1: of pictures. I'm not kidding. It's like deje'l vous. Because
Speaker 1: she said some guy reached out to me and he's like,
Speaker 1: where are your videos? And I'm like, what videos? I
Speaker 1: thought this is like a modeling thing. It's so I
Speaker 1: wonder if there were a lot of It's so crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of blown away a little bit, like, huh
Speaker 1: that that is odd that that happened. And I wonder
Speaker 1: if that is a common thing. I wonder if there
Speaker 1: are a lot of other girls who initially got into it,
Speaker 1: especially I don't know if the right term is COVID babies,
Speaker 1: but maybe COVID porn stars. I don't ever like associating
Speaker 1: the word baby around anything, but the COVID porn stars.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was like a slow creep in
Speaker 1: and then was it a rush, So that sounds like
Speaker 1: that's what you were, kind of a COVID starting porn star, right.
Speaker 2: I started at the end of like twenty twenty. I
Speaker 2: wish I started to be getting because, like, dude, those
Speaker 2: girls were killing it, like especially that summer, Like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I wish i'd started that. When I started,
Speaker 2: it was still like popping off, but it wasn't like
Speaker 2: everybody like that they told me. By the end of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, it already slowed down so much since the summer,
Speaker 2: like they weren't doing anything, and just like it was
Speaker 2: just so popping in the summer. They were barely doing anything,
Speaker 2: and guys were just like, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, one had to spend gas money anymore. You just
Speaker 1: had like all this disposable inund money mulus coming in exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, I neither.
Speaker 2: I remember I seen money during Covin. I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: never had this much money this because I liked I
Speaker 2: would go to Disneyland like I was, I'm from the area.
Speaker 2: I would to Disneyland like literally every like five weeks
Speaker 2: and like drop like three k. Like every Disneyland trip,
Speaker 2: I would go for a whole week. I would also
Speaker 2: go to Universal like not very far. I would like seriously,
Speaker 2: drop seriously a few thousand dollars just ago, Like I
Speaker 2: would do it all the time. So I was always
Speaker 2: out like three k like all the time.
Speaker 1: Now, are you a Disney adult? There's there's they seem
Speaker 1: to be Okay. You absolutely do not look like my
Speaker 1: mental interpretation of what the Internet refers to as Disney adults.
Speaker 1: You are actually probably the polar opposite. I think they
Speaker 1: look probably a little closer to me with about a
Speaker 1: couple hundred pounds more on me. What do you love
Speaker 1: so much about Disney?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just like it just makes me
Speaker 2: so happy. Like when you first walk in onto Main Street,
Speaker 2: it's just like this euphoria. Like it's just like it's
Speaker 2: just so fun and everything's happy and like there's lights
Speaker 2: and there's cute things, there's music, there's ries. It's just
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just so fun. There's a castle,
Speaker 2: uh well like in for like Magic Kingdom. But then
Speaker 2: like also like so because I'm from California, so I've
Speaker 2: mostly been to Disneyland and I'm a California adventure and
Speaker 2: then California Adventure Haus, Like it's like the same magic
Speaker 2: a little different. It's it's still just as exciting. Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just love it. I love the
Speaker 2: ribes my mommys to Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna need to clarify that in a costume
Speaker 1: or she was the actual mouse. Go ahead, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I don't want to kill the fantasy for anybody,
Speaker 2: but yeah, there's people under there, under those mess Yeah
Speaker 2: she was, she was the head the thing. She did
Speaker 2: that before I was born, though, but she was other
Speaker 2: characters too, So Mickey Mouse, so she's five to two.
Speaker 2: They lowered the height to like five feet and so
Speaker 2: she could no longer be Mickey Mouse. My aunt was
Speaker 2: you know, white, so my mom was also Bianca from
Speaker 2: the Rescuers Under that's like so outdated.
Speaker 1: Now I know that I know rescuers down Under. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm outdated now, that's how I feel.
Speaker 2: Well, no means too, I'm not lazy young, so I
Speaker 2: grew up watching that.
Speaker 1: You do you say your age? Ever, you don't have
Speaker 1: to if you don't. I just blown away.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what age?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think go around somewhere. I read somewhere, but
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I thought you were twenty four.
Speaker 1: And I'm not just like kissing your ass here, which
Speaker 1: my wife wouldn't like it, but I would. But I'm
Speaker 1: not just kissing your ass. I think you. You seem like
Speaker 1: a type of person that really takes care of yourself
Speaker 1: because your skin's beautiful. And I understand this is the industry.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got to do something. You can't roll in looking well,
Speaker 1: A guy might be able to roll in looking like
Speaker 1: me as long as the dick work.
Speaker 2: Guys asic function. That's it.
Speaker 1: Sure, Which is my problem and always has been. Do
Speaker 1: you take care of yourself and is that important to you?
Speaker 1: Or are you kind of just like one of those
Speaker 1: lucky girls whose metabolism's always running no, I work so hard.
Speaker 2: To look good. Okay, sorry, Like no, I do so
Speaker 2: much stuff, but my whole thing is like bimbo. Like
Speaker 2: I just so much work. I've had three boo jobs.
Speaker 2: I'm about to off fourth. I'm also trying to get
Speaker 2: like butt hip and plants like soon. I spent fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on butt injections and I'm just too skinny,
Speaker 2: like it's just not and it like they dissolved and
Speaker 2: it's just like that's so much money. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna go get them plans for my butt.
Speaker 1: So uh. When I was younger, bimbo was never really
Speaker 1: looked at as like the best term to call somebody,
Speaker 1: like that's what my mother would call like the woman
Speaker 1: that came into church wearing Cheetah hot pants, which was
Speaker 1: actually my sixth grade social social studies teacher. It's Cardon
Speaker 1: nudo shadows.
Speaker 2: That a a crush on her.
Speaker 1: Oh I mean thic Long Island accent. We yeah, or
Speaker 1: like these little tiny shorts cheetah print to church. And
Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school and it was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. All the teachers would look at miss
Speaker 1: Cardon Neudo and be like yeah, what is this broad doing?
Speaker 1: Holy shit, doesn't matter. She was awesome. Uh So, bimbo
Speaker 1: was a term that seemed like it wasn't so affectionate
Speaker 1: when we were younger. I was younger. Whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say, when do you think that turn happened? Is
Speaker 1: it only in porn that that happens? And what about
Speaker 1: that lifestyle do you like so much with that look
Speaker 1: or however you want to classify what bimbo is?
Speaker 2: Okay, so funny story. I never try to be a bimbo.
Speaker 2: A lot of girls like aspire to be a bimbo,
Speaker 2: like they want to be a bimbo, like the look,
Speaker 2: the look. I guess like technically the whole bimbo thing
Speaker 2: has mean like a dumb life overly like like work,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like getting a lot of work done,
Speaker 2: like girl that's like hot, big lips, big boobs, like
Speaker 2: but like done. But like I think that's more of
Speaker 2: a term in like the past. I don't know. As
Speaker 2: soon as I got my boobs this big, people just
Speaker 2: and I'm blonde, so like, I mean, you don't have
Speaker 2: to be blown to be bimbo. But like people just
Speaker 2: started like calling me a bimbo because of my look,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, do I finally have a
Speaker 2: niche because I didn't really have one before, Like I
Speaker 2: was just like another like I don't know, like blonde girl.
Speaker 2: I don't really know. I never really knew what to
Speaker 2: like niche. Myize I was, I'm glad I have a
Speaker 2: niche because it's like cool, I can roll with this,
Speaker 2: but it's funny. I actually never aspired to be a
Speaker 2: bimo or I have a bimbo book. I've always been
Speaker 2: obsessed with plastic surgery and enhancements and making myself look better.
Speaker 2: I never thought like, oh I want to be a bimbo.
Speaker 2: It just like just kind of happened. And I guess
Speaker 2: I like that look apparently because and I'm constantly doing
Speaker 2: stuff like I want to do more. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: I just kind of like asked, idly got into it.
Speaker 1: But here I am, do you okay?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: And again I'm not you look like you and I
Speaker 1: look like me, so I'm not giving you, you know,
Speaker 1: instructions here or anything else to follow. Do you can
Speaker 1: you recognize though, when someone has had too much?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I mean yeah yeah? And do you do
Speaker 3: you do you know where you think your limit will
Speaker 3: be because yes, obviously we both know there are some people.
Speaker 3: What's that cat lady?
Speaker 1: Isn't there some old lady who's like a catwoman who
Speaker 1: got her head shaped like a cat kind of weird?
Speaker 1: There are people who just have too much in life.
Speaker 1: And I get it. I totally get it. Looks beautiful
Speaker 1: and especially if you get you have phenomenal work done,
Speaker 1: so you've done good. But I always worry girls who
Speaker 1: kind of express like you say about I love the
Speaker 1: plastic surgery, like the idea of maybe self improvement, being
Speaker 1: able to do that, like you can go to the
Speaker 1: gym all you want. Your tits aren't going to get
Speaker 1: as big as they are now unless you have the
Speaker 1: work done right. Do you have the ability to recognize like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I will go this big, I'll go this far?
Speaker 1: Or do you just play it by ear? Like this
Speaker 1: is how I feel each time I'm going to go
Speaker 1: in for something.
Speaker 2: Oh I've played by your I don't have like an
Speaker 2: end goal. I just played by your all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually I'm afraid of that, actually honest, Like I
Speaker 2: have that fear like what if I do what if
Speaker 2: I overdo it? Like what if I do too much.
Speaker 2: I like something that's not reversible. I always get I
Speaker 2: guess everything is reversible, but like I'm scared that was.
Speaker 2: I won't recognize it right because I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to overdo it because I feel like
Speaker 2: right now, like I feel like I feel like I
Speaker 2: look like not overdone.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all, no, no, no. Overdone is
Speaker 1: the cheeks like hanging over your face. And if you
Speaker 1: see and everyone listening to this knows too, if you
Speaker 1: see bad place of surgery, you know that's bad and
Speaker 1: not even bad too much. And I feel like that's
Speaker 1: a trap a lot of you girls could fall into.
Speaker 1: Potentially there are people in the past not calling anyone out.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if if you want to get
Speaker 1: ten thousand surgeries, that's not my business, you do you.
Speaker 1: Everyone should, as long as there are no kids and
Speaker 1: no dogs in the room. Everyone's sexual lives and everybody's
Speaker 1: preferences on look should just be to themselves. You know,
Speaker 1: whatever you like. So what is the next surgery you're
Speaker 1: going to go for? Do you have any idea? Do
Speaker 1: you haven't planned yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a couple of things. So like on that note, though,
Speaker 2: I will say like I have been overly injected before, okay,
Speaker 2: and I've noticed it though I've been like, uh, you
Speaker 2: put too much.
Speaker 1: So it's good you can recognize it though, wy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I ask me, I can't I like, so
Speaker 2: one time my nurse like she was she likes to
Speaker 2: inject my masid urns. I don't know how to say it,
Speaker 2: but the jaw muscles so they're like not as strong.
Speaker 2: But she was like, how does new like talks and
Speaker 2: to put in there? I don't know what happened, but
Speaker 2: she like she didn't know, like she was kind of
Speaker 2: experimenting with that. She you didn't need as much? She
Speaker 2: so much, and I was like, I can't move my face.
Speaker 2: I was just like I couldn't smile, like for like
Speaker 2: but unfortunately I just had to let it like go
Speaker 2: to the process to like dissolve. But I can go
Speaker 2: back to my content pictures and I can see when
Speaker 2: I like couldn't really smile.
Speaker 1: How did Now I'm going over here again. You're wonderful, uh.
Speaker 1: Pr Agent Erica sends over the little blurb about everybody?
Speaker 1: Would you like me to read it to you? Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard what it is? Let me read the
Speaker 1: first couple of lines.
Speaker 2: I get so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I know it's so I always wonder between that, like
Speaker 1: do girls like their you know about Bad Bela by
Speaker 1: the way, at Bad Bela XO, you know where to
Speaker 1: find that links in the episode description at Bad Bela
Speaker 1: XO is where we're sending people. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they like their descriptions. And the other thing I'm horrified by,
Speaker 1: absolutely horrified by, are some of the titles they put
Speaker 1: on tube sites. Have you ever seen on like X
Speaker 1: videos or your porn hub or anything like that. Some
Speaker 1: of the titles when it's not maybe directly the studio
Speaker 1: putting it up, where it's like chubby girl chubby redhead
Speaker 1: gets and I'm just like, oh no, I'm sure when
Speaker 1: she signed up to get fucked on film she wasn't like, okay,
Speaker 1: make sure you classify me as chubby or a fat
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, or like ugly girl gets plaid
Speaker 1: And it's not all just angry stuff that sounds like
Speaker 1: my algorithm, algorithm, algorithm is very in cell, which it
Speaker 1: is not. But I'm always horrified by those types of things.
Speaker 1: When I see I'm like, oh, you didn't sign up
Speaker 1: for that. Let me read your about real quick. Just
Speaker 1: a couple of lines from it. Here, your favorite blonde
Speaker 1: bimbo freaking spinner. Bad Bela is known for her thirty
Speaker 1: J rack, world class BJ's dirty talk, and of course
Speaker 1: for being a badass performer and creator. That's wonderful. That's
Speaker 1: a nice. That's a nice. There you go, right, uh,
Speaker 1: world class bjs. How did your face being full of
Speaker 1: TOCs and affect your ability to give your world class BJS?
Speaker 2: I don't think, but I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 2: know how that one got in there. But I do
Speaker 2: good cook pe js. I do like to good BJ,
Speaker 2: so it makes a difference. I love to just slutly
Speaker 2: about it. But that one gets me because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how that one got
Speaker 2: on there. I'm like, didn ice, I don't think I.
Speaker 1: Said that, But maybe it was her own assessment. Maybe
Speaker 1: she had seen some of your scenes and went these
Speaker 1: are world class, which eric.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but oh yeah, so yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was a little bit. I mean, I still handle it,
Speaker 2: but it was I remember it was like kind of
Speaker 2: like a little awkward. Also, I got from near his
Speaker 2: last November and that was another thing. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 2: like I got a new teeth in here. I got
Speaker 2: to make sure I don't like, I'm like so paranoid
Speaker 2: about gtting teeth on a deck, like I'm so careful
Speaker 2: not to do that. So like I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what if I can't figure it out?
Speaker 2: But I figure it out. I always figure it out.
Speaker 2: Just like my nails, like they're super long, I figure
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, are we Marty gra themed
Speaker 1: with that? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I din't confused with the landscape. These are
Speaker 2: definitely Marty Graw nails. I was actually in New Orleans
Speaker 2: for like ten or eleven days parting my ass off,
Speaker 2: flashing titties, and yeah, those are my Marti Gras nails.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you more than just like you
Speaker 1: wanted to get in the porn. You seem like you
Speaker 1: were kind of a fun party girl before that. Is
Speaker 1: that accurate or no? Okay, yeah I was.
Speaker 2: I was just like a Marti Gras, like nothing to
Speaker 2: do with work, And I.
Speaker 1: Posted like three on can I say you say whatever
Speaker 1: you want? You're totally fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, So like on twitterx like I posted three the
Speaker 2: flashing teddy videos. But I actually have a whole drop
Speaker 2: offs folder because I was like, what am I going
Speaker 2: to do with all these videos and so like now
Speaker 2: like I so, I guess, okay, so technically made it
Speaker 2: into work, but like for the fact, because I was
Speaker 2: doing it for fun, and then it was like after
Speaker 2: the fact that I put into the drop offx so
Speaker 2: like guys, if they want, they can tiffer it and
Speaker 2: get the whole drop off. There's like, I think forty
Speaker 2: videos in there. But yeah, I'm just saying like I was, like, it.
Speaker 1: Was so fun, So yeah you were you were? I
Speaker 1: got yeah, exactly. Your camera tilted a little and it
Speaker 1: looked like as you were talking, my eyeline just was
Speaker 1: staring at your kids. It was like she's talking again.
Speaker 4: Camera was like titty, let me is what was the
Speaker 4: first scene you shot, like the first mainstream type of
Speaker 4: scene where it was production study all that shit.
Speaker 2: That video girls. Actually it was my first scene and
Speaker 2: they don't book girls that look like me. So I
Speaker 2: don't know how I got in, but Anthony, the guy
Speaker 2: in charge, really really liked my like video that I
Speaker 2: sent in, Like I don't know, I was like talking
Speaker 2: about myself, like I don't know. She really liked it
Speaker 2: and said I was like glowing and happy and I
Speaker 2: don't even know. And I wasn't using a filter either,
Speaker 2: so it was a natural glow. They know if he
Speaker 2: was a filter, if anybody's getting into walking, or they
Speaker 2: know if you use a filter. Have my friend she
Speaker 2: have my friend She put her introvideo for like a
Speaker 2: different studio, and they're like, you got to redo this
Speaker 2: without a filter.
Speaker 1: She's like, damn, they knew. Sometimes the filters are so bad.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, what are you hiding That looks like
Speaker 1: you're wearing a fucking Halloween mask. You need to lose
Speaker 1: that filter. I'm sure you're prettier. Some of them work,
Speaker 1: but I've seen some bad ones recently.
Speaker 2: There's some that just like smooth, like make it smooth,
Speaker 2: like right, like say, I feel like Oily is skin.
Speaker 2: It just kind of like takes that away, but then
Speaker 2: completely change your nose and your cheek shape and your eyes.
Speaker 1: There's some that the AI is like, there's nothing I
Speaker 1: could do with this, sweetie, Like we're just gonna have
Speaker 1: to make you a kind of face here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, first scene, give my girl.
Speaker 1: If I was a girl and I shot for net
Speaker 1: video girls. I would take a screenshot, have it blown
Speaker 1: up and frame it. Did you get the perfect doggy
Speaker 1: style shot that they always do where you have the
Speaker 1: ivy behind you at all?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't guess. I don't know. I don't get said
Speaker 2: anything from my see.
Speaker 1: No no, no, okay, So you do not go back
Speaker 1: and ever like watch your stuff or check your stuff out.
Speaker 1: I don't ever listen to anything I recorded, by the way,
Speaker 1: I like, I listened to the girls as I'm editing it,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, here's the douchebag again, and that's me.
Speaker 1: So I totally get that. Do you not like watching yourself?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Actually, so sometimes it's like kind
Speaker 2: of cringey because it's like i'd so like awkward for me,
Speaker 2: I got like uncomfortable. Sometimes I have to watch some
Speaker 2: of my son's most only when someone else is like, yo,
Speaker 2: this was dope, like wash it with me, like this
Speaker 2: is a good like like either like a fellow co
Speaker 2: star and like or one of like one of my fans.
Speaker 2: Also something on pornhob from a studio I did, and
Speaker 2: she was just like, dude, that's so good. Okay, like
Speaker 2: so so sometimes I'll watch it back and I'll watch
Speaker 2: it every single second, like fuck yeah, I'm like ringing
Speaker 2: myself on. I'm like, damn, I nailed this shit. This
Speaker 2: is so good. But I just like, don't watch myself.
Speaker 2: That's the main reason why I don't is just because
Speaker 2: it took me so long to make it, Like I
Speaker 2: don't really have the time to watch it back because
Speaker 2: I'm going on to the next thing and I got
Speaker 2: it edit. Then it's like I gotta do the next thing.
Speaker 2: I'm always like, go, go, go go. That's the only
Speaker 2: reason really, But I will tell you my per principal
Speaker 2: saying Fortinsky, damn, that was good.
Speaker 1: It's nice when you can sit back and admit it
Speaker 1: because I get the same thing. I'm like, I agree.
Speaker 1: I always constantly try and keep moving and this and that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's sometimes when you have
Speaker 1: to go back and like watch and listen to stuff
Speaker 1: and I am just so cringed out by it. When
Speaker 1: I have to hear myself he speak, I'm like, that
Speaker 1: voice sucks. You sound like an idiot, You're asking dumb questions.
Speaker 1: That's just self hatred. I think, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, most likely it's just how we are.
Speaker 2: But just so you know, this is going great. I
Speaker 2: love I love your podcast, like you very fluid and
Speaker 2: it's smooth. It's not it's good.
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying here. Let me as this. Did
Speaker 1: you shoot any sexual first on porn before anything else? Like, uh,
Speaker 1: if a girl had never done anything before and decided
Speaker 1: the first time I do it is going to be
Speaker 1: on screen. Has there been anything you've done that you
Speaker 1: haven't done in your personal life that you started in
Speaker 1: port Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, DVP so two dick to my vagina? M hm, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: so I don't I haven't done like okay, so like
Speaker 2: I haven't done like a dick in my ass and
Speaker 2: my fuzzy at the same time. But I've done a
Speaker 2: dick in my ass and a dildo in my to
Speaker 2: see which I never go on camera the first time,
Speaker 2: basically stuffing all of my goals at once, like with
Speaker 2: toys or strap bons. I've been on camera for the
Speaker 2: first time. I've been. I'm like always like I can
Speaker 2: see anything you want. Okay, So I've been gaing made
Speaker 2: my strap bons so many times because I used to
Speaker 2: mostly do leslie contact Now it's like everything, but I've
Speaker 2: been stopped like two straps in my hands mouth butt's
Speaker 2: see ass like I that was all I've been bloking with,
Speaker 2: like strap ons, Like I don't that was all. I've
Speaker 2: not doing that my personal life. It's definitely a camera.
Speaker 1: You've heartbroken all the women who listen to my show,
Speaker 1: by the way, they're like, oh I was going to
Speaker 1: strap attacker.
Speaker 2: Damn, oh no, no straps, no straws are sorry in my
Speaker 2: personal life, but like, am I gonna take like ten
Speaker 2: at once?
Speaker 1: Oh? Let me. So you said you you mostly started
Speaker 1: doing girl girl stuff early on or girl girl, girl, girl,
Speaker 1: many girl. Did did you notice an increase in sales
Speaker 1: and popularity or whatever it was when you started doing
Speaker 1: more and more boy girl stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely a thousand percent.
Speaker 1: Every porn star I interview, I owe, they were always
Speaker 1: like I wish I was doing more girl girl stuff,
Speaker 1: and I always I'm like, so, how does that sell there? Like,
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't really sell that well?
Speaker 2: I thought I didn't sell it well until recently because
Speaker 2: I stopped really doing girl girl and then I had
Speaker 2: a massive amount of fans being like, what are you
Speaker 2: going to release new girl girls? I really sew my
Speaker 2: fans only unlock my girl girl. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: So now I started doing girl girl gun. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, I do everything and I actually do sell gurgle,
Speaker 2: and I didn't really realize it. Wow, I don't know
Speaker 2: because I don't know. But like, I mean, the boy
Speaker 2: girl sells better, sure, but but I would be missing
Speaker 2: out on a big chunk of change if I wasn't
Speaker 2: doing lesbian. I'm also super into girls, so like, like
Speaker 2: filming is one thing, but like I mean, but like
Speaker 2: I when I first started doing Girl, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I was like, I already fucked a bunch of ds
Speaker 2: life and so I was like kind of I was
Speaker 2: super excited because I was like, because it's like I
Speaker 2: don't know, you get nervous like with girls because you
Speaker 2: don't know if they're like actually bisexual. Like I've had,
Speaker 2: like I've had a situation with girls before, but overall
Speaker 2: like not as many as I would have liked. So
Speaker 2: when I first got into it, I was like, my god,
Speaker 2: I get some the titties and pussy. Like I was
Speaker 2: so excited. So I kind of like went super into
Speaker 2: the girl girl. But then I was like and it
Speaker 2: was doing really well. First, like I saw like a
Speaker 2: Girl for a pretty expensive and then it just died.
Speaker 2: So like I so when I started by Girl, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like everything went up. But then I think the
Speaker 2: balance is what's key.
Speaker 1: It's that or it's that guys always want what's not
Speaker 1: in front of them right now too. You know, you
Speaker 1: put out a lot of girl Girl, they're like, take
Speaker 1: a dick. You'd start taking dick, they go, get some
Speaker 1: pussy in your face. You know, it's you're never going
Speaker 1: to please everyone. As long as you're pleasing yourself and
Speaker 1: the people will pay your bills. I guess then that's
Speaker 1: it matters, right, you know. Business wise, what would you say?
Speaker 1: And again you say anything, I shouldn't have even said
Speaker 1: that at the beginning. Don't sweat it whatever. Business wise,
Speaker 1: do you like shooting mainstream stuff or is it an
Speaker 1: ends to a mean to get people to your only fans.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question. No one's asking that on podcasts.
Speaker 2: So I do like shooting me the stream, I actually
Speaker 2: really do. Some scenes are way more fun than others,
Speaker 2: some days are easier than others. So I feel like
Speaker 2: at one point I was taking every single gig that
Speaker 2: was getting offered to me, and a lot of those
Speaker 2: good gigs were really low paying gigs, and so I
Speaker 2: was some are not, but like some old bought work.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I got really freaking burnout, to
Speaker 2: be honest. So then I started getting less fun. But
Speaker 2: now I'm only taking like the gigs that I want
Speaker 2: really like I really want so like and not as
Speaker 2: much so I can conserve my energy more. It's so,
Speaker 2: I mean, I do like I wanted to do porn
Speaker 2: for like way before I did it, I just was
Speaker 2: having so many surgeries that I couldn't start for like
Speaker 2: two years. After a scout found me on Instagram and
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, and then I had so many
Speaker 2: surgeries i was able to do it. So I you know,
Speaker 2: I definitely wanted to do it. Oh yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: does that help me get guys from my only fans?
Speaker 2: I would say yes, But does it give me massive
Speaker 2: amounts of fans? I don't really think so, because I
Speaker 2: do so much to promote myself on platform. I'm like
Speaker 2: constantly working like promoting myself everywhere, like so I get
Speaker 2: way more fans, not from mainstream, but like I do,
Speaker 2: I do know that I've had some like good fans
Speaker 2: that come in from like the mainstream stuff, and they
Speaker 2: just like are like, are obsessed. They got booked on
Speaker 2: a scene and they're just like, you know, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it's massive amounts though I don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't always tell me it's tough. The the power
Speaker 1: dynamic has shifted to the women in this industry for sure,
Speaker 1: And you know, people in the industry will say like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, there'll always be another girl that turns eighteen
Speaker 1: and wants to do this and this and that. But
Speaker 1: you are building your own like individual followings in a
Speaker 1: way that when I was a kid, it was just
Speaker 1: going to like, you know whatever, looking Gianna Michael's tits
Speaker 1: and then waiting for LimeWire to download over like you know,
Speaker 1: six hours. But you know exactly what I'm talking about
Speaker 1: LimeWire Kazah, Yeah, Okay, you know what?
Speaker 2: Wait, can I ask you are.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want? One hundred percent? You say whatever. I
Speaker 1: was born in eighty seven.
Speaker 2: What month?
Speaker 1: I think I know your birthday? So it would be
Speaker 1: funny if I hit you with the same one now
Speaker 1: November twenty seventh.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. We're like, we're like super simarn it.
Speaker 1: We're like we're the same age, and that's what shocks
Speaker 1: me because I look like I'm about sixty five and
Speaker 1: you look like you're about twenty four. So I need
Speaker 1: to start fixing my diet.
Speaker 2: He was my age, that's why I was okay. But
Speaker 2: I'm only twenty seventh. That's why I'm like, So I'm
Speaker 2: not like that. I'm older than you.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, she's talking to an old lady here. So
Speaker 1: do you often play MILFs? I'm just kidding. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: funny you talked about niche. You said, bimbo, have you
Speaker 1: been offered any niches that you were not interested in?
Speaker 1: Because important we see sometimes it's a twenty six, twenty
Speaker 1: seven year old woman and she's playing a milf and whatever,
Speaker 1: but I don't see you. Look what. I don't see
Speaker 1: you playing milf yet maybe down the line.
Speaker 2: That's tough for me because I don't look super milty.
Speaker 2: But like, I've definitely played Mels for sure, obviously, Like
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not eighteen, and like you said, there's
Speaker 2: girls that are playing melts at twenty five. But it
Speaker 2: does case me issues because I'm like in a weird
Speaker 2: place where I don't also look like howm I eighteen,
Speaker 2: so like, and I don't look super milty, so I
Speaker 2: feel like, I don't know, I feel like it'd be well,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm fine with how I look and
Speaker 2: I am. It does cause me issues because sometimes people
Speaker 2: don't know how to place me in a scene, but
Speaker 2: I do. I have played yeah, I mean I play
Speaker 2: a really good step mom. Though I like doing that.
Speaker 2: I love doing that, but yeah, I played milk roles.
Speaker 2: I've also one time I got booked and they're like,
Speaker 2: you're the step daughter. I'm like, what do you mean
Speaker 2: I'm the step daughter? Did you mean step mom? I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not young, Like what's happening? And he's
Speaker 2: like no, no, Like the woman's like she's older than me.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, I forget. She wasn't that
Speaker 2: older than me. She was like eight years older than me.
Speaker 2: But she's a glenbow too. And I mean it worked,
Speaker 2: I guess because they play they play people not that
Speaker 2: much aged. Your friend's like, oh, your stepmom is like three.
Speaker 1: Years old with you, and that was what I was saying.
Speaker 1: There's there's girls who are like twenty five years old
Speaker 1: who were like, I'm playing milk. So maybe it's not.
Speaker 1: It's definitely it's not an age thing. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: look thing, and it's not this person looks older. This
Speaker 1: it's just a different look. You have a youthful, young
Speaker 1: look you. I don't know, Maybe I'm off. I actually
Speaker 1: could see you playing step which, by the way, I
Speaker 1: want to get into that question about that, but I
Speaker 1: could see you playing step daughter, stepsister or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I you know, that's just me, are you? That trend
Speaker 1: has been going on for about ten years now, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. What are your views on the
Speaker 1: foe incest in porn the step sister. Don't worry, I've
Speaker 1: only spent ten years living in the same house as her.
Speaker 1: She's not blood related though. Time to fuck. How do
Speaker 1: you feel about that whole trend? In that whole thing?
Speaker 1: And again, no judgment. I have no judgment on anybody
Speaker 1: or anything as long as it's legal. So please to.
Speaker 2: Be honest as I got first when I first started
Speaker 2: unting part and I was like this is odd. I
Speaker 2: was like, this is a little Is this normal? I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: people fantasize about their selling so that I never did.
Speaker 2: I mean, great, I will be step but like I
Speaker 2: don't know, but like you know where that goes, like
Speaker 2: whole like you know anyways, but I never I never
Speaker 2: felt that way anyways. But to be honest, like now,
Speaker 2: like I know, it's so freaking normal, Like I like,
Speaker 2: I don't know it's but I actually I love I
Speaker 2: really actually like playing us a stepmom and like and
Speaker 2: like mommy.
Speaker 1: So that's nice. You have another niche you can grow into.
Speaker 1: I just started this.
Speaker 2: Whole like mommy thing like recently, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's so fun. I love it like guys.
Speaker 2: I love because guys love it. And I play like
Speaker 2: mean mommy, flooding mommy, goon mommy, like I feel all
Speaker 2: the mommies.
Speaker 1: How do you separate that from hot bimbo girl in
Speaker 1: this scene? How are you the tough mom now? Is
Speaker 1: it just strictly in your dialogue and how you're presenting
Speaker 1: it or do you storry to use crass language fuck
Speaker 1: differently when I'm just kidding on the crass language thing?
Speaker 1: Do you fuck differently when you're playing mom versus something else?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I can either be like a slut bimbo
Speaker 2: fucked doll like oh daddy, like you know, thinky daddy
Speaker 2: as a bad girl, like I don't know or but
Speaker 2: like so I was just mostly doing that for a
Speaker 2: long time because I feel like with my look, that's
Speaker 2: like what I thought, what I thought every wanted me
Speaker 2: to do. But I'm actually more dumb actually in my
Speaker 2: personal life. So then I just recently discovered in the
Speaker 2: last sixt few months, like, oh my god, I have
Speaker 2: a whole fan base that wants me to be dumb.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, so I get to do both. I
Speaker 2: like to do both. I'm a Swish but like, but
Speaker 2: I do like to I like to dom so like
Speaker 2: I do a lot of femdomp was it just depends,
Speaker 2: like I know, almost a lot of guys now like
Speaker 2: me pegging my sex all.
Speaker 1: Like wait, wait, wait wait pegging your sex, doll.
Speaker 2: I just looked over it was right there as I
Speaker 2: just thought of it.
Speaker 1: That sounds like that sounds like if you weren't as
Speaker 1: hot as you were, that might be a sad thing
Speaker 1: on Friday night for somebody. No guys love that, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know you no, I know, but like I just
Speaker 1: picture I just pictures like some I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess it would have to be a girl, and this
Speaker 1: is maybe a guy with a small dick who wants
Speaker 1: to feel what it's like to have a big dick.
Speaker 1: And it's a Friday night, and all his buddies are
Speaker 1: out in there, you know, at the movies with girls
Speaker 1: or this and that, and here he is in the
Speaker 1: corner in his one bedroom apartment, bed obviously on the floor,
Speaker 1: no frame on it, and he's just pounding away with
Speaker 1: a strap on at his sex doll, which he paid
Speaker 1: I don't know, five six thousand dollars for to get
Speaker 1: it exactly to look like his favorite porn star, Bad
Speaker 1: Bella at Bad Bella XL. And he's just going away
Speaker 1: and then you know, his dick's kind of rubbing on it,
Speaker 1: and then he eventually just premature Jack's all down his leg.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if any other scenario other than
Speaker 1: you doing it, I think is not great. Sorry, did
Speaker 1: I just paint a picture there?
Speaker 2: I was laughing? But likely wait, like they weren't They
Speaker 2: want to I have a meal sex styll. They want
Speaker 2: me to.
Speaker 1: I thought you were pegging another sex doll, like a
Speaker 1: chick sex doll.
Speaker 2: No, but like a guy. They want it in their ass.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is that.
Speaker 2: It's like wait a minute. I was like okay, But
Speaker 2: so I do different things, like say like some guys,
Speaker 2: like some guys have a small dick and they like
Speaker 2: want me to just like punish their ass and like oh,
Speaker 2: they're not allowed to come, right, Or some guys just
Speaker 2: like wanted like more sensual and they like in the
Speaker 2: ass and then they want to like fuck me in
Speaker 2: the ass and then I put like a dolo on
Speaker 2: my ass right, or I haven't put that too. I'm
Speaker 2: looking at my sex all it's a male sex. I
Speaker 2: felt like the biggest sick ever. He has like such
Speaker 2: a big dick. So I haven't put that one in
Speaker 2: my ass. Yeah. I was a little scared, but one
Speaker 2: day one day anyways, Yeah, so like guys like all
Speaker 2: different things. There's like chings for everything, and I'm like
Speaker 2: exploring and I'm like doing the mommy thing and like
Speaker 2: doing like big bo goddess are like you know, you
Speaker 2: know the mommmy Like sure, I don't know, it's just
Speaker 2: id at all. Or like also be a fucked off.
Speaker 1: Is there a niche or a kink or a fetish
Speaker 1: or something like that that you hope has the same
Speaker 1: kind of boom that the faux incest thing has. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you see nowadays or important or what something
Speaker 1: you would maybe even want to start and you hope
Speaker 1: it really takes off like a trend or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It might be no, might be your answered. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's so many things that are like dead,
Speaker 2: Like well, I starting a law of sport constant lately,
Speaker 2: and I know that's already a thing. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be more an anal.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, let me, let me give you mine.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. This has been so interesting to me
Speaker 1: when you think about the psychology of this free use,
Speaker 1: I find extremely interesting because you can look at it
Speaker 1: from a bunch of different ways. By the way, I
Speaker 1: hear a torrential downpour on the outside of my studio,
Speaker 1: So if I cut off and die, will end the
Speaker 1: interview there, and I'll make sure i'll wrap everything up.
Speaker 1: But I just don't want to be knee deep into
Speaker 1: conversation with you and just go and you sit there like, wow,
Speaker 1: what did I say? Anyway, free use is so interesting
Speaker 1: to me because there are so many different dynamics you
Speaker 1: could look at it as right, let's just say you
Speaker 1: are with some guy and it's a free use type
Speaker 1: of thing. Well, there's one scenario where you are just
Speaker 1: an object. He's walking by, he's throwing it in you
Speaker 1: doing what he needs to do, and continues on right,
Speaker 1: And that's like a male dominant thing. But there's also
Speaker 1: a kind of a female dominant thing, like I'm hanging out,
Speaker 1: I'm writing out my check book, whatever the fuck it is,
Speaker 1: Da da da da da. Some guy comes in slides
Speaker 1: into me. I am so unfazed by this guy's dick
Speaker 1: that I don't even recognize it. He's just doing whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm not an object, he's an object. What do you
Speaker 1: think of free use? I just kind of want more
Speaker 1: people to be like, free use is fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually agree with that one. I didn't think
Speaker 2: of that. Thank you, So I didn't even know what
Speaker 2: for you. It wasn't tot Well, I guess it's been
Speaker 2: a whole year. My god, time flies literally a year
Speaker 2: this month. It feels like just yesterday. I did a
Speaker 2: free scene for Teamski, and yeah, I was like this.
Speaker 2: I was in a French maid outfit and I was
Speaker 2: just like, I didn't I had like two like words
Speaker 2: in the entire three parts, like it was three scenes
Speaker 2: and totally different, like location location, three scenes for this thing.
Speaker 2: I said like thank you, I think maybe or please,
Speaker 2: and I was like it and like anyway, I'm like
Speaker 2: cleaning and getting fucked and then there was a three song,
Speaker 2: so it was it was actually really cool. I never
Speaker 2: heard for you. I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: kind of want to do something like this for my bullifans.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know is it I don't think
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know is it a trend because
Speaker 2: I haven't tried it yet because didn't know if it
Speaker 2: was gonna Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, there's there's websites that do it specifically,
Speaker 1: you know, even owned by a lot of the other
Speaker 1: ones like Umbrella site type stuff, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I find it interesting. There's like a there's the
Speaker 1: Japanese and I am not one of those Japanese guys.
Speaker 1: I'm not like, hey, by the way, check out my
Speaker 1: anime podcast on the side, no disrespect Tom, it just
Speaker 1: ain't me. But there's like a lot of the Japanese
Speaker 1: stuff that I find interesting that sounds weird and stupid too.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the clips of like a news
Speaker 1: reporter reading and she's just reading the news and then
Speaker 1: like guys just come up and it's a bukack scene
Speaker 1: and it's just they're spilling on her face and she
Speaker 1: doesn't break stride. She's like the Mets one today four
Speaker 1: to two, beat the shit out of the braves and
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I there's something I find and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it is a we go back to it.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a shrink session for me if
Speaker 1: it's a self hatred thing, Like I really want to
Speaker 1: come right now, but I don't want her to acknowledge me,
Speaker 1: because she probably fucking hates me. I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: an aspect to it too. But I like the idea
Speaker 1: of making someone an object, but it's not it's not
Speaker 1: obviously against their choice or anything like that. Like they're
Speaker 1: okay with that, and I think that's like a domin subthing, right,
Speaker 1: does that make sense? Okay?
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, fore this is great.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that. It's it's great. It's like totally normal.
Speaker 2: The other two for people my threesome, they were talking
Speaker 2: that whole time, is like it was okay, So it
Speaker 2: was like it was like a guy, a dad and
Speaker 2: his stepdaughter and then me the maid. I think they're
Speaker 2: just cleaning, and then like liaking pussy hears. I think
Speaker 2: that getting stuck.
Speaker 1: It was just like, that's the best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: You get your house cleaned and you get your dick suck.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I do a thing on this. I do
Speaker 1: a thing on the show called stat check. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: going to check your stats, and look, these are so
Speaker 1: off you wouldn't believe how incredibly wrong these are. But
Speaker 1: it's a good measuring stick. So we're going to use
Speaker 1: ia FD, the Internet Adult Film Database, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to go through what it currently has listened for you. Now, inevitably,
Speaker 1: your answer is going to be no, that's wrong. No,
Speaker 1: I definitely did that. No, no, no, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1: This does not count. Everything doesn't count. Onlyfan this and that,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But it's a nice little milestone so
Speaker 1: that when I have you on a year from now
Speaker 1: and you're racking up awards and I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: see a belly, you have too many avns around you,
Speaker 1: and you're like, get over it, jerk off. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to do that as kind of a measuring stick.
Speaker 1: So stat check number of scenes you have done forty seven,
Speaker 1: number of guys you have worked with, fifty four, number
Speaker 1: of girls you've worked with forty two. You are an
Speaker 1: equal opportunity fucker. It seems like that's wonderful, that's great,
Speaker 1: And uh, no nominations and no av and awards yet,
Speaker 1: is that correct?
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to live for the first time to
Speaker 2: get nominated. Actually, I don't know why I'm doing. I
Speaker 2: just talked that. So Eric and I talked to me
Speaker 2: yesterday for like or it was at eighty four for
Speaker 2: like an hour on the phone. It was like two
Speaker 2: days ago, and like, I was like, dude, what am
Speaker 2: I supposed to do to it nominated? She's like I
Speaker 2: was like, She's like, I'm posting things on my on truit.
Speaker 2: You're not seeing them. I was like, Oh, I didn't
Speaker 2: see them. No, I don't because I don't get notsications.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. And so I'm just now trying
Speaker 2: like a week late. But I'm like, okay, wait, so
Speaker 2: I have to like tell my fans to nominate me. Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying. This is the first time I'm
Speaker 2: like really trying. She has seen that everybody knows this stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what's the red carpet. I haven't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I know how to do worn.
Speaker 4: But I.
Speaker 2: Get like nervous with red carpets. So I actually haven't
Speaker 2: even walk on yet because I get like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just I'm not shy, but like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but it makes me anxious. So
Speaker 2: I have to do one soon. I maybe an exoctor Chicago.
Speaker 2: I'll do it go ahead because it's called gonna be
Speaker 2: smaller than Avian. I don't know. I just call for whelones.
Speaker 1: Are you naturally an introvert at all or no?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought I was an extrovert, to
Speaker 2: be honest, but like I'm also super introverted. I'm definitely both.
Speaker 1: That's and I'm getting that more and more from these
Speaker 1: interviews I do where I'm talking to a girl and
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, so you took twelve dicks in this
Speaker 1: scene and they all blue loads on your face. You know,
Speaker 1: are you naturally a person who's out word? And they're like, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. I just like being at home with
Speaker 1: my cat. I do the scenes and I work and
Speaker 1: I like it there, but when I'm home, I want
Speaker 1: to be in pajamas and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I'm just shocked by that because again, like you
Speaker 1: would say, like we talked before about okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So like extremely both but like I definitely but like
Speaker 2: I'm just like a New Orleans like flashing stake washing
Speaker 2: toples on the street. Like so I'm like, well, the
Speaker 2: meeting people, but like I also really need my time alone.
Speaker 2: But like, to be honest, like Avian stressed me, stresses
Speaker 2: me out, like not like the last Exotica I went to,
Speaker 2: I was like in my element, like I was cool,
Speaker 2: but like a v and the last one, I was
Speaker 2: so overwhelmed, like I was having Sowmu's anxiety because there
Speaker 2: was just so many people. So I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: go to the war. I didn't go to the red carpet.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because all the other performers were if
Speaker 1: what they've told me is correct, they were all feeling
Speaker 1: the exact same thing as they were smiling and walking
Speaker 1: the red carpet, probably thinking like I am so fucking
Speaker 1: anxious right now.
Speaker 2: I've heard it would fall.
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, maybe that's how you get a
Speaker 1: numb You are the funny girl who fell, and then
Speaker 1: oh my god, look at this stuff she shoots. It's
Speaker 1: so fucking hot too. Blah blah blah. By the way,
Speaker 1: at bad Bela XO, make sure you check the episode
Speaker 1: description for links to everything. It's very important that we
Speaker 1: support creators because if you don't, they don't create, and
Speaker 1: then you're done doing all the fun stuff you get
Speaker 1: to do and interacting with these people and everything. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you about expectations versus reality. Did you expect
Speaker 1: that so much of working in porn was going to
Speaker 1: be not shooting porn, meaning social media stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I got I got that because people don't are like
Speaker 2: I can't tell people like I'm so busy all the
Speaker 2: time and I'm always working, and people like don't get it,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how to explain to them, like
Speaker 2: every second in my life I'm working, like I'm like
Speaker 2: literally like I mean maybe not every second I sleep
Speaker 2: sometimes but sometimes but anyway, it's like, I like, it's
Speaker 2: literally like it's such a small percent actually filming compared
Speaker 2: to everything else. It's so much work. If you want
Speaker 2: to be successful, you're constantly doing I'm like, I told people,
Speaker 2: it's like it's a regular job. Like I do a
Speaker 2: lot of clerical work. I'm doing like admin stuff. Like
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think it's just sometimes I'm sucking dick.
Speaker 2: But I mean I sick that a lot, but it's
Speaker 2: still is not like the most of it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Also, really curious where did you get
Speaker 2: those stats?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: By the way, so I want to clarify for the
Speaker 2: viewers and people listening, my body counting porn is hundreds,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you're just getting that from
Speaker 2: my professional things.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's likely what it is. So IAFD, it's like,
Speaker 1: do you know what IMDb is the movie data bait?
Speaker 1: You want to look something like that. It's the same thing,
Speaker 1: but for porn girls. Now here's the thing they used
Speaker 1: to just count mainstream stuff. Recently I've been seeing more
Speaker 1: like many VIDs and of and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: it's been no way accurate. There's just no chance. So
Speaker 1: I understand no.
Speaker 2: Way because I've done like I don't like a dozen
Speaker 2: or so orgies even have like thirty people at it,
Speaker 2: so like, how could you even I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember how many decks I sucked in
Speaker 2: the orgy because I started three people. I'm not sucking
Speaker 2: every guy's day. They grows you guys, but like I'm
Speaker 2: not like thirty, but like I'm probably sucking at least
Speaker 2: seven in I don't know, you know, Oh I did
Speaker 2: one though it was a sorry, it was a train
Speaker 2: please please please go ahead? Who's the training thing is? For?
Speaker 2: Howway tour? We were like all lined up on two
Speaker 2: bags because we usually do orgies and big places, but
Speaker 2: we were aut Exotica, so we had a hotel room, right,
Speaker 2: so guys were like going. There was I think like
Speaker 2: thirteen guys, so we slept and fucked each one of
Speaker 2: those dicks several times. They were going in a line
Speaker 2: to all those girls, rotate, rotate, rotate, rota. There were
Speaker 2: two minutes rotudinous, and then the guys would go back
Speaker 2: and line and come back and go back, and it
Speaker 2: was like an hour or so long.
Speaker 1: That's me knocking on the door asking can I please
Speaker 1: get in that line? And then they make me get
Speaker 1: down on my knees. I'm on the other line, I
Speaker 1: go to an Exotica, New Jersey, I know, armpit of
Speaker 1: New Jersey of America. That's okay though, uh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I go to Exotica, New Jersey with my wife every year.
Speaker 1: And I wonder that because you see stuff shot afterwards
Speaker 1: and it's in a hotel room, are there any like
Speaker 1: precautions with what you've seen of any of that stuff
Speaker 1: in terms of like we need to make sure we
Speaker 1: don't get kicked out of this place for being too
Speaker 1: loud or anything. Or the hotels that are at these events,
Speaker 1: do you think they kind of just get it, like
Speaker 1: this weekend's gonna be a mess in a good way.
Speaker 2: I've never gotten in trouble at a hotel room. I
Speaker 2: had fal banging on the door within the walls, like
Speaker 2: banging on the walls, like shut the fuck up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's happened. But like, I've never gotten in trouble at
Speaker 2: a hotel. VERBMB is where you gotta be more careful?
Speaker 1: Is that to all of the people who are listening
Speaker 1: to this who rent out their airbnbs, is that happening.
Speaker 2: And your airbnbs? Okay? So I only I only hosted
Speaker 2: one flophouse where I was the house in airbnbe. But
Speaker 2: I did let them know we will. I didn't necessarily
Speaker 2: say we're gonna be like filming porn, but I said
Speaker 2: we will be naked with camera EQUI that okay, in
Speaker 2: every part of the house and backyard. It was a
Speaker 2: huge backyard. So I was like, just so you're aware,
Speaker 2: because if you have cameras, you are going to see that.
Speaker 1: If you have cameras, you're still gonna need to subscribe
Speaker 1: so that I can make money from that video. But
Speaker 1: thank you. You should tell them that they oh.
Speaker 2: Their cameras are running. They're just there. And I was like, bullshit,
Speaker 2: but just so you're where, don't kick us out please,
Speaker 2: So I did because I'm just paranoid. I don't want
Speaker 2: to get kicked out. And I like let them know.
Speaker 2: It was a big crop.
Speaker 1: So you know, was this in like La or Vegas
Speaker 1: or something like that. Okay, so it's in an accepted place,
Speaker 1: like they kind of get it, like you couldn't go
Speaker 1: to Montana and do that. Likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm always heard about the cameras. It's like
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, but like I don't know,
Speaker 2: So like when other people have posted I don't know
Speaker 2: if they like let them know, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: but you can definitely get kicked out of airband. It's
Speaker 2: for sure for feeling foreign. Oh one time I was
Speaker 2: in at AIRBANB and I was in the driveway and
Speaker 2: we were doing like this photo show and bikinis and stuff.
Speaker 2: But like but then like me being a little slept that,
Speaker 2: I am like, the guys were driving by, and then
Speaker 2: they started getting out their cars and just watching the
Speaker 2: photo shoot, and I'm like flashing Teddy's and showing my pussy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just like, this is fun.
Speaker 2: But then apparently one of the neighbors called the owners
Speaker 2: of the maybe and he's like so, but he was
Speaker 2: super cool by the way, so he was just like
Speaker 2: texted my friend who was the want to rent it.
Speaker 2: She's like, so we got to call that you're filming
Speaker 2: porn out on the driveway. We were not folding porn. Sure,
Speaker 2: we weren't even filming. We were shaking photos. He's like,
Speaker 2: he's like, I just checked the cameras and it looks
Speaker 2: like you're not You're just doing a photo shoot mekinis.
Speaker 2: But maybe you should wrap it up and take that inside.
Speaker 2: So luckily when I read, well, I guess he's recorded.
Speaker 2: He might have actually seen it, but he was just
Speaker 2: like awkward about it though I forgot that did happen.
Speaker 1: That's a series. Turn that into a series. Set up
Speaker 1: cameras up high, like security cameras and shoot Airbnb porn
Speaker 1: type of thing. Is that a thing already? Do people
Speaker 1: do that? All high camera angles, cutting between that and
Speaker 1: maybe side camera angles, like, oh, that's a I don't
Speaker 1: want to bring babies into it again, but that's a
Speaker 1: baby monitor over there. Like you have a whole scenario
Speaker 1: you could say up where maybe the niche is this
Speaker 1: looks like I'm looking in on a couple, but it's
Speaker 1: a portant scene. No, think about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I've done several orgies where where I will set
Speaker 2: up a live stream, but yeah, where it's like where
Speaker 2: I'm so I do live streams where I'm working, like
Speaker 2: talking with the fans, and I'm like, hey, like if
Speaker 2: you want titty flash fifteen dollars, I my soul and
Speaker 2: myself says, you know what I mean, like like you know,
Speaker 2: I want my paint, you know that kind stuff. But
Speaker 2: like for like orgy stuff, like I will like not
Speaker 2: just me, but other people will set up like our
Speaker 2: like phone cameras and like just press play and they're
Speaker 2: seeing all the raw They're seeing all of it. They're
Speaker 2: seeing before we even start like getting into it, how
Speaker 2: we set up, how we they're seeing all the fun.
Speaker 2: They're seeing all of it, and like in real time
Speaker 2: and like non edited, just like real time. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've done that too, where it's just like you're just
Speaker 2: seeing they're seeing allful affords or when we cut, they're
Speaker 2: seeing are are I don't sorry banter, but are like
Speaker 2: how do we interact with each other between scenes and stuff?
Speaker 2: So yeah, they can see that.
Speaker 1: I like all that stuff. Truthfully, I do enjoy that.
Speaker 1: I like the behind the scenes kind of aspects sometimes.
Speaker 1: I especially like those fake behind the scenes things where
Speaker 1: a camera guy is like, hey, you know, you finished
Speaker 1: filming your scene now, but you know, blow me over here.
Speaker 1: I really like that because I can never imagine myself
Speaker 1: as the porn guy. I can only ever imagine myself
Speaker 1: holding a camera. Last question here for you, bad Bella,
Speaker 1: what is the endgame? Is there an endgame with this?
Speaker 1: Do you want to make ten mil and be out
Speaker 1: of the business? Do you want to be shooting instead
Speaker 1: as bad Bella, as Guilf Bella forty years from now,
Speaker 1: Like what is what is? I understand you play things
Speaker 1: more day by day. I totally get that, But do
Speaker 1: you see any kind of scenario where at the end
Speaker 1: you could be like, I'm good now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it times sound like I mean forty years
Speaker 2: probably not. Hopefully I've made enough money to live off
Speaker 2: at that point. But maybe I'll make cameo appearances like
Speaker 2: you're in there. I mean, maybe I'll still run thing.
Speaker 2: It just depends, honestly, if these sites are still active,
Speaker 2: then I would I would keep my sides running. Probably.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd ever like ite rid of those.
Speaker 2: But like when it comes to like making okay, when
Speaker 2: I comes working at the level that I've been working at,
Speaker 2: I changed you that forever because I'm already starting to
Speaker 2: for now, I'm already like I'm already taking less scene.
Speaker 2: That's what I was saying. I'm already taking less scenes
Speaker 2: like which has been better?
Speaker 1: That's and that's great. That's what the experience does. It
Speaker 1: lets you be a little bit more selective on things, right,
Speaker 1: Because I totally got what you were saying before about Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I was taking as much stuff blah blah
Speaker 1: blah as you could. Totally fine, but at some point,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're gonna just you're gonna be on planes
Speaker 1: all week long, sitting on a frozen bag of peas
Speaker 1: just to keep yourself sane.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, and then my my vagiant I needs
Speaker 2: a little rest sometimes. I was like speaking of a
Speaker 2: bag of peace. But yeah, yeah, I mean so like
Speaker 2: I definitely want to do this for as long as possible,
Speaker 2: like too, but like not like not like film as
Speaker 2: much all the time, but like also like right now,
Speaker 2: I took a little break, so now I'm like ready
Speaker 2: to get back in again, like the filming. I have
Speaker 2: like four proteins coming up on starting Monday, so that's cool.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I feel like holloway Okay, So I
Speaker 2: think to like the next like maybe ten to fifteen years,
Speaker 2: I think I'll still look hot, Like I feel like
Speaker 2: I'll still look good. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hope we look at forever. But I'll always get
Speaker 2: worked onne but I feel like I can go pretty strong.
Speaker 2: So the next like time of fishing ears.
Speaker 1: For sure, Ladies and gentlemen at bad Bella exo, you
Speaker 1: know where to find her. Bella, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.