WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:03.439 Joe Roman Podcast check. 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:07.280 It out, but Joe Logan Experience Train by Day, Joe. 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:11.560 Rogan Podcast by Night, all Day. 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:14.080 Good to see sir, Thanks for having me back. 5 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:18.559 My pleasure. Always so much crazy shit going on in 6 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:22.839 the world, and even before we scheduled this, like more 7 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.280 crazy stuff has happened. The war broke out, all kinds 8 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:25.879 of things. 9 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.199 Yeah, how are you How are you feeling about the 10 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:29.960 President Trump? 11 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:34.799 That's an open ended question. Do you text with him 12 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.679 and talk to him occasionally? Yeah, occasionally he'll send me 13 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:41.479 a text. I get these like true social posts of uh, 14 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:46.880 you know, things that he's saying. But this whole fucking 15 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.799 Iran thing, man, Like, did you see this coming? 16 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:54.159 No, definitely, I don't know. I mean who did I mean, 17 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:57.079 when did he even decide? You know, their national security 18 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:00.399 strategy put out in November basically just said we've degraded 19 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:02.560 their capacity. It's a win. There was no sense in 20 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:06.560 which there would be additional action. I think it ushers 21 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:10.840 in a new paradigm completely. The older post war era 22 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.879 is just over. Mark Carney, the Prime Minister of Canada, 23 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:16.959 articulated at the rold Economic Forum probably better than the 24 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:20.640 Trump administration did, saying very clearly that older rules based 25 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.640 order is gone. You saw AOC try to sort of 26 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:25.959 articulate it, but she sort of fell apart the Munich 27 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.000 Security Conference in February. So this is an administration that 28 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.200 is I mean, and I don't even think they're thinking. 29 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:34.280 I wrote a piece and I decided not to publish 30 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:36.959 it because I was sort of like, decapitation doesn't really 31 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.719 work for regime change. But it's not clear that they're 32 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:43.400 really out for regime change or they're just asserting power 33 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.280 shaking up things. I mean, some of it's art of 34 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.079 the deal, changing the person that we're negotiating with, that's 35 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.760 Venezuela and Iran. Is it really going to change those regimes? 36 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.000 I don't think most people don't think so, but that 37 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.200 I'm not sure that that's what they're going for. They're 38 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.959 just going for an assertion of American in service of 39 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.400 American interests, and then what happens in Iran, what happens 40 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:06.480 in Venezuela. I don't think they care that much about 41 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.319 at these They are not behaving as that they do well. 42 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.639 Neither thing made any sense to me. The Venezuela thing, 43 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:18.319 I mean, look, they wanted him out forever, and he 44 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.280 definitely stole the election to get in there in the 45 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:23.319 first place, and he was a dictator. But at least 46 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.280 that one was at least clean. They go in, kidnap him, 47 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.639 get him out. This one's nuts, Like, and what's happening 48 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.080 in Tel Aviv? It's hard to know what's real and 49 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:36.080 what's not because there's a lot of fake video going 50 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:39.719 around and a lot of weird posts on x so 51 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.360 it's you know, when I do peek in, it's hard 52 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.560 to know, and you have to listen to GROC and 53 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:49.800 then Grock's dismantling a lot of the fake videos. 54 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.199 Wait, wait, are the fake videos that you're just like. 55 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:57.560 Fake fake videos of you know, like an insane amount 56 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.759 of bombs dropping down in the city. But it seems 57 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.159 like there's a massive amount of destruction in Tel Aviv. 58 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.520 Yeah, I haven't checked in lately, but I'm assuming. 59 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:07.199 Was that just today or yesterday? 60 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:12.360 Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think the president is there's 61 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:14.719 been some just you know, Rubio said something about how oh, 62 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:16.240 we had to act because we knew that Israel was 63 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.759 gonna act anyway, and I think people interpreted in a 64 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:20.960 nut Yah, who's in the White House? A lot this. 65 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.560 I think this president has shown whether you like him 66 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.719 or not, you know, and there's certainly things that I'm 67 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.960 unhappy about and have criticized, but I think Trump is 68 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.360 in charge. Like he's making these decisions. There's nobody behind him. 69 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:34.719 There's nobody. Don't be point for all of that, you know, 70 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.919 the Russians or whoever, some you know, he's now the Israelis. 71 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.360 You know, it's just he's clearly I mean Elon gave him, 72 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.199 you know, two hundred and fifty million dollars and he's 73 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.280 still you know, he didn't give him even the electric 74 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.520 car credit. You know, like like Trump is in charge, 75 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.360 you know, Like I think that's one of the big 76 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:52.479 lessons from this. And I don't think that. I think 77 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.199 that means that there's not a lot of like second 78 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:57.800 order thinking here, like oh, what's the move after that? 79 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.080 He doesn't know, He's just acting. That's what's so wild 80 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.039 about is that this older foreign policy establishment, which you know, 81 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:07.240 was like let the experts decide what the right foreign 82 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:09.240 you know, all these thing tanks, and that's just gone. 83 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.719 Now it's just irrelevant in this presidency. And I don't 84 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.479 think it'll come back, Like if you get a Gavin 85 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:14.800 new Summer, a president AOC. 86 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.319 I don't president who. 87 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.079 I don't think yeah for a minute before before Munich, 88 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:22.839 but I don't think it's going to come back. And 89 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.639 I think that that's what the Prime Minister of Canada realized. 90 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.240 I think that's what the Europeans are starting to realize, 91 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:29.000 is that this is a completely different world that we 92 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.160 live in than the one we lived in just a 93 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:31.920 couple of years ago. 94 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.079 But just doesn't make any sense to me unless we're 95 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.319 acting on someone else's interests, like particularly Israel's interests. It 96 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:40.040 doesn't just didn't make any sense to me, like if 97 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:45.120 they had supposedly dismantled their chances of making the nuclear bomb, 98 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.240 whether or not that's true or I mean, it's so 99 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:48.839 hard to know. 100 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.319 He was unsatisfied and just like he was like I'm 101 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.519 not getting aywhere in these negotiations, and I'm going to 102 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.439 replace the person I'm negotiating with. It's it's just you know, 103 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.439 turn over the table, like change things up. You're not 104 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.720 getting anywhere. And you could you could say he was 105 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:07.720 too impatient. Their view was the Democrats were too patient 106 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:10.360 with Iran. They kept trying with Iran, Iran, they weren't 107 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:12.759 giving them what they wanted. I'm not defending it. I'm 108 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.519 just saying I think that's what explains it. They they 109 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.600 haven't done a very good job explaining it, because I 110 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.600 think that it just sounds to some extent like what 111 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:25.360 it is, which is that it's they're acting without They're 112 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.040 sort of like, well, does the result in regime change 113 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:28.480 in Iran? We don't know. They might say that we 114 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.959 want that or whatever, but that's not Ultimately they're not. 115 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.560 They're not acting on the basis of achieving regime change. 116 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:36.639 What just seems so insane based on what he ran on. 117 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.000 I mean, this is why a lot of people feel betrayed, right, 118 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.360 And he ran on no more wars and these stupid 119 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.920 senseless wars, and then we have one that we can't 120 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.240 even really clearly define why we did it. 121 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.680 Well, but he said he's against endless wars. 122 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.560 Well, ends they're all endless. Indeed, Well, if we heard 123 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.040 Rumsfeld talk about Iraq when it first happened, tell me 124 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.639 they were talking like six weeks, six weeks. 125 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:06.319 Oh yeah, six weeks. Yeah, but they put that was 126 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:08.800 ground force, and I know that they've not ruled that out. 127 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.600 For me, that would be they have they have not. 128 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:13.759 They have not. Yeah I thought you said that now, 129 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.720 yeah no, but they don't seem eager to go into 130 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:21.199 I mean, my I criticized the Venezuela action because I 131 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:22.959 sort of was like, how are you possibly going to 132 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.120 run Venezuela? And then I think a little bit more 133 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.959 time pass I was like, oh, they're not. They're not 134 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.040 gonna try to run Venezuela. Like that's not what this is. 135 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.519 They wanted to just wanted to take over the oil. 136 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:35.279 Yeah, and and even there, I mean, the oil it's 137 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:38.720 not significant at any global level. I don't it's hard. 138 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.480 I don't even think it's really about the oil. I 139 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:41.920 don't think it's about the oil. Don't think it's about 140 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:42.680 the oil in Iran either. 141 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.920 Well, the oil reserves are significant, it's just the type 142 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.279 of oil and how to extract it is extremely difficult. 143 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.240 It's the worst shoe. It's in them, Like the big, big, 144 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:55.279 abundant reserves are in the Amazon. So you're talking about it. 145 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.199 What a nightmare. It's super far away. It's terrible. You 146 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.319 had a gorilla conflict. If you had a gorilla conflict 147 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.879 breakout around those oil facilities. I mean, it's already more 148 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:05.839 expensive because you have to heat up that particular type 149 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.839 of it's you know, it's really heavy oils to heat 150 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:10.000 it up to get it out of the ground. Then 151 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.879 you have to heat it transport. It's a totll nightmare. 152 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.439 I just I mean, and as a conservationist, I would 153 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.399 say that would be the last place I'd want to 154 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.759 see us getting oil from. There's a lot of other 155 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.439 places that have oil. We shouldn't be going into the Amazon. 156 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:27.160 So what if anything makes sense to you about this 157 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:28.160 attack and Iran. 158 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.199 I don't know that. I'm not I'm not sure what 159 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:32.920 I think of it. I mean, I don't I don't 160 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.800 like it. I don't like I mean, the whole older 161 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:40.480 system was that you had this International Security Council would 162 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.279 have to agree, the Congress would have to be that's 163 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.480 all gone now. I mean, it's just a totally different 164 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.279 This guy is just acting, you know, he says he's 165 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:50.000 not getting where they want to get in the negotiations 166 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.079 with the Iranians. So he says, we have some leverage 167 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:53.439 over you, and we're going to use it. 168 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:55.800 So clearly Israel wanted this. 169 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.040 Israel has its own motivations. I think, yeah, but I 170 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.199 don't think. I think it's not quite accurate to say that. 171 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.839 I just don't think. I think all the evidence shows 172 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.199 that Trump is his own man, and he is the president, 173 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.800 and like literally he couldn't even give back, he couldn't 174 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:11.800 even give elon the battery subsidy that he wanted. 175 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:11.959 You know. 176 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:13.519 Yeah, it's like I get that. 177 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:15.439 I've never seen a policy. I mean, I've never seen 178 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.600 a politician act that independently. That's I mean a president 179 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.639 act that independently. So I'm skeptical of I mean, I 180 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.360 think that I think that Rubio was sort of like, well, 181 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:26.920 they were going to attack and so we had to. 182 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:29.360 You know, there's some of that, But I just think 183 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.159 Trump's doing what he wants to do and we should. 184 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:34.240 You really think it's that simple. Trump's doing what he 185 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:36.480 wants to do. Yes, yes, you don't think people are 186 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.440 influencing him because there's a lot of warhawks around him, right, 187 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.559 there's a lot of people that want to for a 188 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:42.159 long time. 189 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:44.080 I mean, who's in there, but then Tucker was in 190 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:44.679 there a bunch. 191 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.519 But do you think against him Tucker has the kind 192 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:49.320 of influence that net Yahoo has. 193 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.080 Well, I mean, I guess if you just base it 194 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.080 on the outcome, then the answer is no, no, But 195 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.039 that's what I'm saying. I just think he listens to everybody, 196 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.039 but I just don't think It'srussians turn behind him. Is 197 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:02.720 really I mean, Trump is like what he's been through. 198 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:04.279 I mean, he's you know, he's got where he is. 199 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.759 There's no way he's gonna They don't have anything on him. 200 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:08.080 That's why I know that. 201 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.159 I don't think they have anything on him, but that 202 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.679 way he could. But I'm not we don't see any 203 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:13.399 evidence for it. 204 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.639 Well you wouldn't see any evidence until it broke out 205 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:17.120 they released it. 206 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.399 Yeah, and and well we'll get it. I'm sure we'll 207 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.600 get into Epstein. But I mean, I just think when 208 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.759 you don't have evidence of something, then you can't assume 209 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.279 that it's happening. I haven't seen any evident I've seen 210 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.440 evidence that Trump is fully independent with it. Particularly this 211 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.360 case of Elon surprised me. I would have thought, at 212 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:38.399 a minimum, you'd give your largest campaign contributor the one 213 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.720 thing he wants. I mean, Doge was something you wanted 214 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.759 to But and then I look at it Ron and 215 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:45.480 I kind of go, you know, Trump has always won. 216 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.159 I mean Trump has been criticized. He said he doesn't 217 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:49.399 want to run to have a nuclear weapon for a 218 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.080 really long time. I don't know the exact date, but certainly. 219 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.399 Well, no one wants to have a nuclear weapon other. 220 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.879 Than it wrong, right, yeah, I think that the he 221 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:59.399 was He also put it this a way. He's also 222 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.360 critical of the Democrats approach, which was the sort of 223 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.799 the mainstream IAEA approved approach. Because of course, on international law, 224 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.960 Iran has the right to a nuclear to nuclear energy, 225 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:14.879 and to nuclear facilities, including nuclear nuclear the centrifugias, and 226 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:17.200 the enrichment. Iran has the right to all that under 227 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.000 international law and so and Trump doesn't agree with that, 228 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.639 and he's not going to rite international lawg in his way. 229 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:25.320 So when you say he has a right to it, 230 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.639 you're talking just about nuclear power, yeah, right. 231 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:30.480 Right, but that includes enrichment, so you know, to. 232 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.600 A certain point, right, they've already surpassed that point, right, yeah. 233 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:36.600 And I believe I you know, if I'm wrong, I'll 234 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.399 correct it on X but I don't think it specifies 235 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.600 the level of enrichment is part of the issue. And 236 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.480 then you've got these centrifugies, and so it's all been 237 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.600 a cat and mouse game. I personally do not doubt 238 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:48.679 ferment it that Iran wants nuclear weapons. So that's what's 239 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.960 been going on. I think most people think that. But 240 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.080 the Aboma administration was like, we can do you know, 241 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.879 we can lift sanctions in exchange for controlling their nuclear program. 242 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.519 Trump has not for a very long time agreed with 243 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.159 that approach. I think he was criticizing it for many 244 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:04.399 years before twenty sixteen, before you decided to run, but 245 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:06.519 definitely for the last ten years. 246 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:10.799 Did you read the thing today that came out that 247 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.519 they're they're discussing some sort of a leak transmission that 248 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.320 seems to be an activation. 249 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.440 Of terror cells Iranians have. Yeah, no, but I'm not surprised. 250 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:25.480 Sounds bad. Yeah, that's one of the things that obviously, 251 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:27.000 that was the first thing I thought of, was like, oh, great, 252 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:30.480 are we going to get a bunch of Iranian suicide 253 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:31.559 bombers in the United States. 254 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:33.600 Now, obviously I don't know if it's going to be 255 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.320 suicide bombers, but I would imagine it would be something 256 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:38.279 a little bit more destructive than. 257 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.320 That could be. I don't know what they can get in. 258 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.320 I mean, there's Sean Ryan's been having folks on that 259 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.639 say that, yeah, people are getting in with heavy artillery. 260 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:47.919 I just don't know the status of it. 261 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.879 Well, the real problem is they can do four years 262 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.039 the border was wide open, Oh yeah, and definitely some 263 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.440 people from the Middle East got through, and we have 264 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.879 no idea what is weight. I mean, I'm sure there's 265 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.399 some intelligence agencies that have an understanding of what the 266 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:05.919 threat is. 267 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:08.919 I hope so. I mean, I think we see that 268 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:10.679 these terrorists are able to do an incredible amount of 269 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:15.039 damage with pretty simple rifles, you know, and sometimes was 270 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:19.919 it the French the club that particular terrorist action, there 271 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.879 were other people that were using bombs that like only 272 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.360 killed one or two people, but the guys with the 273 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.960 machine guns were able to gun down like dozens of people. 274 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.200 So certainly that's scary. I think none of us want. 275 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.080 I think that's where a lot of Americans when it happened. 276 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.200 The reason so many people were against it. I believe 277 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.720 the majority is against it is because you're like, great, 278 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.440 what you know, first of all, is there going to 279 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.480 be another endless war? And second of all, are we 280 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:42.759 going to get a bunch of terrorist actions here? I 281 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.519 think if we did I don't think support for the 282 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:47.240 work goes up. I think it goes down, oh for sure. 283 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.639 Yeah. I mean it's just such a fuck. I mean, 284 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:59.240 the whole, the whole situation internationally has been so tense already, 285 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:01.879 with what's going on in Gazo, with what's going on 286 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.960 in Ukraine, it's like, and to add this to the pile, 287 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:10.039 it's like, I mean, it genuinely feels like there's a 288 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:13.440 real possibility that we might be entering World War three. 289 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.039 How would that what would that look like? 290 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:21.440 I don't know, Well, I never expected Iran to start attacking, 291 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:27.559 you know, they they launched bombs into Uae Dubai. I 292 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:28.759 mean where else. 293 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.240 They expected that? Though, right, I mean it makes Iran 294 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.440 look Iran looks pretty isolated. I mean, I will say, 295 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.399 you know, I was totally obviously, maybe not obviously, but 296 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:38.960 very much on the left and was opposed to all 297 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.279 this stuff Reagan was doing, I remember, even even in 298 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:45.000 the eighties. But it's like he really did. I'm not 299 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.000 gonna say he was the major the only reason. There 300 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:49.240 was obviously a bunch of weakening within, but I mean, 301 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.200 he really did push back against communism. He challenged the 302 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.080 entire foreign policy establishment, on the basic view of just 303 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.240 you know, of just of just kind of keeping it, 304 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:02.240 you know, keeping the communists where they were, and it 305 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.240 said Reagan really pushed back against it and said it 306 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.120 got to be regime change. It's sort of almost had 307 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.320 a moral sortinly, there's a defense build up, but a 308 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:10.919 moral argument, and I think it had a big impact 309 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.720 and to bring down communism. So i'm, you know, the Irania, 310 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:18.159 it's it's I'm obviously I have very mixed feelings about it. 311 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.840 The Iranian regime is just so evil and so awful 312 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.840 that you know, you're every time you see videos of 313 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.000 people taking these courageous actions, you're like, somebody bring that 314 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.879 regime down. On the other hand, that country is pretty 315 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.519 the people of that country are pretty radical. And the 316 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.559 Shaw in nineteen seventy nine. I spent last night watching 317 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:36.879 all the old old sixty minutes from the seventies. They're amazing. 318 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:40.559 But the Shaw was really modernizing the country. There was 319 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:42.120 a lot of wealth coming in, there was a lot 320 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.399 of more inequality. There was also a lot more state 321 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:49.120 repression from his intelligence services. But the country was, you know, 322 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.440 full of radical Muslims who wanted you know that when 323 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.679 all that instability. They wanted to revert back to, you know, 324 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.600 a radical Islamisis regime, and that's still now. I've seen 325 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:00.600 other estimates to say that, you know, the current regime 326 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:04.200 is incredibly unpopular in Iran. But you know how that 327 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.120 works out, It's really hard to say. But there is 328 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.200 something I cautioned my own I talk back to my 329 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.960 own anti interventionist instincts when I think about Reagan just 330 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.799 being like, you know, we're not gonna do just containment 331 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.639 strategy anymore. We're actually going to talk back to communism 332 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:21.759 because people deserve to be free. And now is everything 333 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.559 better for you know, is everything fine in Russia? Maybe not, 334 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.080 But I mean communism was just awful, you know, just 335 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:31.840 a totally soul killing, you know, crushing, you know, a 336 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.480 giant lie. I mean, it's awful to militarianism. So I 337 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:36.840 think we have to kind of keep that in mind, 338 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:38.480 and especially when you're in a moment of just such 339 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.639 incredible chaos like we're in now. I told my students, 340 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.399 I'm like, you get to live through one of the 341 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:48.080 most interesting moments in history, certainly in the last eighty years, 342 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.559 because the entire paradigm where the United States had these 343 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:53.519 allies and everything's gonna go through the Security Council and 344 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:54.720 we're going to try to make it through the UN 345 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:56.720 and there's got to get agreements and all this stuff. 346 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:59.519 That's just gone. I mean, it's just it's gone to 347 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.440 the part where they don't even where you're kind of like, 348 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.200 how are you what's gonna happen inside Iran. They're like, 349 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.679 that's not our concern. We hope that there's an overthrow 350 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.960 of the government, but they're they're not. We're not like 351 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.480 gonna necessarily commit to that. 352 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.120 Well, they're also calling on the people to rise up, 353 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:17.080 which is you know, i mean, look look at what 354 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.039 they did with the protesters. I mean they killed thousands 355 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:20.440 of people. 356 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.639 And look at Iran and Venezuela. They don't have internal 357 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:28.120 The opposition is not united. There's not a united opposition 358 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:29.600 with a united figure. I mean, remember it was so 359 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.360 interesting watching seventy nine, these protests against the show were 360 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.799 going on. They are the left and the Islamisists made 361 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.120 an alliance in Iran. Something it's something really interesting topic 362 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.000 I only starting to explore right now. But they made 363 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:43.360 an alliance, so they'd be holding up you know, they 364 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:45.120 be holding up the eye told it comane pictures in 365 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:47.519 the street, like they had their guy, and the left 366 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.080 was like, look, we're just gonna, you know, go with 367 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:50.840 this guy. I think he was making promises to the 368 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:54.879 left around allowing you know more you know, liberalism. And 369 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.159 then they came in, I just consolidated into this really 370 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:01.159 hard line Islamisist regime. But they had a guy. We 371 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:02.600 don't have. They don't you know, we don't have a 372 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.480 guy in Venezuela. We don't have a guy in Iran. 373 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:08.480 I don't know if there's anybody in Cuba really, you 374 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:11.079 know that in the older regime, under like the Biden, 375 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.160 the open society people, the side establishment, they had somebody 376 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.319 for Venezuela that's a Mashado woman. But Trump gets up 377 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.480 there and he just goes, yeah, she doesn't have enough support, 378 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:22.000 so she's not with us. Gone, you know, like they 379 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.480 recognize that they don't have there's nobody with an opposition 380 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:27.960 you know, street cred that can come into power. So 381 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.119 I think they and they know that, they're not like 382 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.759 unaware of that. So I think some of the like, 383 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.640 oh they should rise up in whatever. It's a little 384 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:37.680 half hearted. I don't know that they believe that that's 385 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:39.559 going to happen. They're certainly not. They don't seem to 386 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.079 be offering them, you know, material support. 387 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:48.839 Right, So it's just a symbolic gesture to talk about it. 388 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.559 Sounds like it. And I mean, I in this kind 389 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.440 of the this beautiful collapse of communism which occurred so 390 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.079 peacefully with the Berlin Wall and the Guard eventually just 391 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:58.359 sort of like it's just in the vibes and the 392 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.359 guards are just like, yeah, we're not guarding this wall anymore, 393 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.279 and it's over, you know, And it was just over, 394 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:03.400 and it was like it was a kind of like 395 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.160 a moral collapse. I'm not so sure that they're gonna 396 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.319 get that. In Iran doesn't seem like it. 397 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.200 It seems like they've been preparing for this for a 398 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:11.000 long time. 399 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.599 Their Ranians. Yeah, they're dug in and now it's the 400 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.640 sun and he's just part of that. He represents the uh, 401 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:22.240 the I was the IGRC, the security forces. I mean, 402 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:23.720 it's their guy, and it's what you would do. It's 403 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.079 rally around the flag. It's classic what happens. And so 404 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:29.799 but you know, never you never know, I mean, these 405 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.680 guys then might just negotiate more what the Trump administration wants. 406 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.519 I think the Trump administration is like, we'll just keep 407 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.319 killing your leaders until we get somebody in there that 408 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:40.359 we'll make a deal with us. I think that's I 409 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.200 think that's how Trump thinks about it. Really, that's my 410 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:44.480 that's my best guess. 411 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:46.000 You're smiling. 412 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:48.839 Do you think this it's funny? Because it's funny because 413 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:53.000 it's it's so Joe. It's just like you just look 414 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.119 at all the think tanks and all the White papers 415 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.200 and the State Department and the plane and whatever, and 416 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:01.119 it's just like Trump's just listen to Tucker. He's gonna 417 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:03.559 listen to any and he's gonna decide what to do. 418 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.440 This episode is brought to you by Visible Folks. There's 419 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.480 one thing nobody wants this season, and that's getting catfished. 420 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.200 And it's not just dating profiles that are putting you 421 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:18.319 at risk. It's also big wireless carriers. 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See 432 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:01.640 visible dot com for plan features and work management details. 433 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:03.640 Is that good? 434 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.039 I don't know if it's good. I mean, I just 435 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:08.400 we don't know yet. I mean, I think part of 436 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:10.480 it is is it gonna work? Part of you goes 437 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:12.319 a moral and you're like, well, but does it? Does 438 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.200 it work to make have better outcomes? I don't know. 439 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.160 We're in a realm of absolute chaos. 440 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:20.200 We're also in a realm where AI is going to 441 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.000 be powering autonomous weapons, if not already. 442 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:25.400 I mean that, I mean that is going on. That 443 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:28.200 is so interesting. This thing with Anthropic and the D 444 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.119 O D and what's happening there that is really interesting. 445 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.680 So initially Anthropic was hesitant to allow them to use 446 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:35.759 autonomous weapons. 447 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.680 Right, I don't know the status of it. But you 448 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.519 saw the open Ai the head of open Ai Autonomous, Uh, 449 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:44.200 she's the head automous weapons. I think I'm not don't 450 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.960 don't give me exactly right. But she just quit like 451 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.480 a couple of days ago, is on X and it 452 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:50.559 was just like a huge story. So you have a 453 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.759 bunch of you have, you have, you have a rift 454 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:58.920 in between now, you know, I think you know, Sam 455 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.640 and Elon are both on board and want to keep 456 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.039 working with the d D. But it looks like anthropic 457 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.160 broke and you know, and then and then Hegscept was like, well, 458 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.319 but then we're gonna punish you for this. 459 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:10.480 Uh. 460 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.319 That's very consistent with a kind of nationalist vision, which 461 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:16.839 is that which the Trump meministration has, which is that 462 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:21.640 your security strategy, your economic strategy, your border strategy, it's 463 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.519 all a single Your industrial strategy, it's all a single thing. 464 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:27.519 Your trade strategy, it's all a single thing. And I 465 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.480 think for Trump, it's just you're either asserting power and 466 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:34.200 using your leverage and demanding more, or you're engaged and 467 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:36.799 managed to climb. You're just giving up, you know. And 468 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.160 I part of me, I'm of mixed minds on it 469 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:40.839 because on the one hand, I'm with the kind of 470 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:43.079 I kind of go, let's invest at home, we have 471 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:44.920 all that. You know, we have skid road to clean up. 472 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:47.799 You know, uh, we should be focused on that, not 473 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.480 on trying to do regime change or bombing other countries 474 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.480 or creating other problems. On the other hand, I think 475 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.960 there's something right about defending the West, I mean, defending 476 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:02.279 Western civilization, you know, defending our institutions, our norms, our 477 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:05.799 liberal values, and and nobody's done that. And we just 478 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.880 had a guy in power that was that opened our borders, 479 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:12.119 that kind of gave a blank check to Ukraine. It 480 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:14.920 seems like at a minimum, with Trump, you have somebody 481 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:19.440 that is taking responsibility in ways where Biden would be like, well, 482 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:20.599 we're going to do with you know, we're going to 483 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.319 work with our allies. And it was just all kind 484 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:24.720 of like it was like it was all kind of 485 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.440 going to be decided in this in this you know 486 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.599 what chrisy Arvin famously calls the cathedral, you know, just 487 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.920 the single thing of the media and the think tanks 488 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:36.680 and the academics, and and Trump was like, it's not working. 489 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.519 And the working class of this country elected me to 490 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.839 to show strength and to demand a better return on 491 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.920 our investment in terms of protecting our allies for our people. 492 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:50.359 So that part of it, I think is really overdue 493 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:53.279 and really necessary. An assertion of why the West is special, 494 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:58.079 why we need to defend the West is bombing Iran 495 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.359 and replacing the you know, the commanding with the sun 496 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:02.880 is Mashot, you know, is what's happening Venus. Was that 497 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:05.400 the right approach to that? I don't know, but I 498 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:08.200 think we were. The system was failing. I mean, the 499 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:10.640 open society system, which is supposed to be this liberal 500 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.599 you know, uh, you know, system of tolerance, it became intolerant, 501 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:17.519 It became to toulitarian, It created censorship industrial complex, They 502 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.640 they weaponized the intelligence communities. We you know, started getting 503 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:24.640 ourselves into conflicts that we that was not clear why 504 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:28.160 we were in them, including Venice, I mean sorry, including Ukraine. 505 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.880 I mean with Ukraine. It's like that war only continues 506 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:34.720 because we continued to arm it. Like if we stopped, 507 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:37.960 if we just were like, let's just have the just 508 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:40.839 you know, just cut a deal wherever the border is 509 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.440 right now, and you're just like that's where it's going 510 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:44.880 to stop, then you can I mean, I don't know, 511 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.079 I'm not sure what's preventing that from Trump. I think 512 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.480 he's annoyed with Putin. But yeah, I mean my view 513 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.519 is like, I don't see an interest in that war continuing. 514 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:54.839 I don't know how it's in the interest of the 515 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.640 working of working class Americans or Americans. And I have 516 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.240 the same questions about Iran and Venezuela in Cuba. But 517 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:03.920 I think that is a totally different paradigm than the 518 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.160 one that we had from nineteen forty five to twenty 519 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:06.759 twenty four. 520 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.559 Well, the idea of tolerance, for you know, with the 521 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.640 last administration, that seems just to be a narrative. It 522 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:16.200 seemed to be a political strategy of keeping the borders 523 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:21.279 open to increase populations and blue states, raise the census, 524 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.440 get more congressional seats, and then a path to citizenship 525 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:27.240 where you'd have permanent voters. That's what it seems like. 526 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.759 And then there's also a ton of medicaid fraud that's 527 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.559 wrapped up in that that we're now seeing. 528 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:35.440 Yeah, I think that's part of it. I mean, there 529 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.119 were The Times did a piece on why Biden left 530 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.079 the borders open, and it. 531 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:40.880 Was what was there? 532 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:44.079 It was a funny piece like there was this it was, 533 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.160 you know, part of it. He's so out of it right, 534 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:48.920 like they were just it was not clear, like there 535 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:50.839 wasn't clear there was like a meeting where he was like, yeah, 536 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.599 we're gonna just do this thing. They kind of concluded that. 537 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.000 I think Cecilia Mignot's who's one of the more moderate 538 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.279 advocates and was in the bodministration, I think she said 539 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.440 something like Biden just wanted to give the left. Just 540 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:04.160 felt like you wanted to give the left what they wanted. 541 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:07.119 And that's what you know, the Soros think tanks and 542 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:10.720 the you know, the very progressive immigration groups have been 543 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:12.680 and you know, have been advocating did the same thing 544 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.920 on climate. So it makes sense. I know Elon talks 545 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.240 a lot about how, oh it's about importing voters and whatnot. Maybe, 546 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.960 but it's not even clear that that's a good strategy 547 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.839 that's going to work. You know, well, because first of all, 548 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:27.559 we don't know that Latinos like why are like, why 549 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.319 do we assume Latinos are all gonna, you know, vote 550 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:31.799 for Democrats. 551 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:37.799 Well, if you've got them all on medicaid and social security. 552 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.960 The numbers there are, it's actually more complicate. Europe is 553 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.359 definitely the case that you have higher rates of crime 554 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.400 and higher rates of social services among migrants. Here are 555 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:51.400 Latino migrants traditionally, you know, you know, really thrive. You know, 556 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:56.720 they do much better than they mostly Muslim immigrants in Europe. 557 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.920 So I you know, I skeptic. I mean the other thing, 558 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:02.440 they're the statistic that I learned from David Shore, who's 559 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.680 like the one of the top Democrat pollsters, when he 560 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.960 was talking to Ezraklin after the twenty twenty four elections, 561 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:10.720 he was like, if all eligible voters had voted, Trump 562 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.079 would have won by three percentage points rather than one 563 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.519 point five. So it's also so I always think it's 564 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.319 kind of funny because the Republicans always like trying to 565 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.880 make it harder for people to vote. But under that 566 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:23.640 calculation anyway, and maybe it's just Trump, maybe other Republicans want. 567 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.759 When you see it harder for people to vote, what 568 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:27.799 do you mean? You mean mail in voting just the 569 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:31.000 whole difference. But the problem is mail in voting has 570 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.359 always been a vector for fraud. 571 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.519 That's it. Maybe I don't know how much of it 572 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:39.359 there is. I've seen different things on it. 573 00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:43.400 Back like decades, people have been talking about mail and 574 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:45.440 voting just being too open to fraud. 575 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:47.759 Well, but then maybe, but then the questions, is a 576 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.279 really benefit I mean, and there was. If David Shore 577 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.559 is right, if everybody who could vote had voted, Trump 578 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:57.359 would have won like basically by twice the margin. 579 00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.160 Well, I don't know if that's necessarily true. But when 580 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.000 I see laws like what California has where you're not 581 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.920 allowed to show ID, there's only I mean, I've tried 582 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.559 tried to find some sort of charitable way where that 583 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.279 would make sense other than you want to open the 584 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.839 door for fraud. There's nothing. This is this narrative that 585 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.079 they say, oh, poor people don't have like you see 586 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.359 Kamala Harris, they don't believe that they don't have a 587 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:20.440 xerox machine. 588 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.039 Like no, but you ever see the thing. I think 589 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:22.920 it was a guy, I don't know if he did 590 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.480 it for free Press. A guy was going around interviewing well, 591 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.279 first he interviewed liberals that like I think U see 592 00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.319 Berkeley and he was like, you know, do you think 593 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:31.920 that you should have to have an ID to vote? 594 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.200 And they were like no, because black people don't have IDs, 595 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.119 and like that's. 596 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.039 Just and then hearing that on end No, No, I know. 597 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.160 Of course but they believe that. Yeah, I mean, but 598 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.000 then dont of you that saw that. It's an incredible 599 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:42.400 video because then he goes to like I think he 600 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:43.920 goes to Harlem, or he goes to like a black 601 00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.799 neighborhood in New York, and he was just actually asking 602 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:48.640 black people. It's like, do you have an idea on you? 603 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.880 It was like everybody was like, yeah, like, what's the 604 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:51.480 matter with you? 605 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.160 Well, it's also, we just got done with three years. 606 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.400 If you need an ID to prove that you have 607 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.519 been vaccinated, so you need to be able to have 608 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:01.319 that to go to have worked, get on a plane 609 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.799 to eat at a restaurant. It didn't make any sense. It 610 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.599 was so immediately contradicting what had just gone down, you know, 611 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.440 months earlier. It's just stupid. 612 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.480 Well, yeah, that was about. That was because the left 613 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:16.480 wanted to control people's behavior and on voting. They the 614 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.400 old I I know because I just when I talk 615 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.720 to my progressive friends about it, you know, and family 616 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.119 and friends, it's it's very much like, no, we can't 617 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:24.880 put barriers in the way of voting, because that's what 618 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:26.480 they did during Jim Crow. I mean, that's where it 619 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.079 goes back to is. 620 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.880 Not a barrier. It's just an insurance that you're a 621 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:32.680 citizen while you're voting. 622 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.759 And then they say there's really not much. They say, 623 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.000 there's very little fraud. I'm just telling you what they say. 624 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:37.799 I'm not saying I agree. 625 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.000 I just though, Yeah, do you believe that that's horseshit? 626 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:42.720 That's a horseshit. 627 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:44.279 I think they believe it. 628 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.640 Yes. I think they just say it because that's the 629 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.480 thing that everybody says. I think it's a group thing thing. 630 00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:52.599 I mean, I think if you sit down with any 631 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.119 rational person and no one's watching, you know, there's no 632 00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.160 cameras on there, and you asked them, does that make 633 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.000 any sense? No one would say it makes any sense. 634 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.640 Most people in this country, or citizens, have some form 635 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:05.960 of ID, or can get some form of ID, and 636 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.559 it's entirely reasonable to ask people to prove that you 637 00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.000 are who you are if you're voting for the president 638 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.720 of the United States, that seems pretty reasonable. 639 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.680 I'm I I find it totally reasonable, and I support it. 640 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.279 I'm just saying that if you make it, I'm just 641 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.519 saying you may, the Republicans may. It may result in 642 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.160 outcomes that are not the predictable ones that they think 643 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.640 they'll get just because Trump was at least and Trump's 644 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.799 maybe you know, a special case, but I mean he 645 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.319 was able to turn out reluctant voters, like he motivated 646 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:33.839 people to. 647 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.559 Vote because people were fed up with what had gone 648 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.599 on in the last four years. And I think the 649 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.799 open border was the biggest one. I mean it was 650 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.480 one of the biggest ones, because people just felt hopeless, 651 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.359 like this is crazy, Like what you're doing. You're letting 652 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.920 in what's equivalent at least if you're if you're just 653 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.720 being charitable, it's ten million people. It was. 654 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:56.279 It was huge. 655 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.759 If you're just being conservative, it's ten times Austin. You'll 656 00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.400 let ten Austin's in in four years of people who 657 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.200 you have no idea who they are. 658 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.720 Yeah, And and Americans were on board with closing the borders, 659 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.839 and then when it came time to actually asking all 660 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.359 the getting those folks to leave that came in, all 661 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.599 the support disappeared, right, I mean. 662 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.759 Well, it's not asking them to leave, it's showing up 663 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.119 at home depot and just rounding people up and raiding 664 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.160 places and going to restaurants and pulling people out of 665 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:27.440 their houses and I think people got very uncomfortable with 666 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.960 the idea of militarized police wearing masks on the street. Yeah, 667 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.440 and then when you find out that these guys have 668 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.839 only been trained for seven weeks and there's they get 669 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:38.200 a fifty thousand dollars signing bonus, and then you find 670 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.240 out that a giant percentage of them are Latino, which 671 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:43.640 is kind of crazy. You know, like the two guys 672 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.599 who shot that guy in Minnesota, they're both Latino. 673 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:48.279 And yeah, I mean that's what you get when you 674 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.240 have completely untrained, unprepared people. 675 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:54.079 Well, that's a hole like that. The whole Minnesota thing 676 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.839 with alex pretty is a complete clusterfuck. I still not 677 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:03.000 have not seen verification of whether or not the narrative 678 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.680 that makes sense is true. But the narrative that makes 679 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.119 sense was that there was an accidental discharge of his 680 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.440 gun as they were pulling it away from him, and 681 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.400 then that led to them thinking that maybe he still 682 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.440 had the gun on him. Because you're in the chaos 683 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:17.799 of arresting someone, someone says he has a gun, a 684 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.240 gun goes off, and then they shoot the guy. 685 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:22.680 I bet when you go I bet when they do 686 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.960 the proper evaluation of it. They're gonna find multiple mistakes. 687 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.720 I'm sure by the law enforcement that. And then there 688 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.960 was the thing with the woman who got shot, where 689 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.559 you have a guy who had almost been run over 690 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.359 just a couple of weeks before and been dragged in 691 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.880 his car. The guy who shot her had been dragged 692 00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:40.839 by another vehicle. 693 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.000 I didn't see that. 694 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.799 He got dragged like three hundred feet too, something crazy. 695 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.799 So when a car is coming at him, you could 696 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.680 imagine this guy's got some PTSD from that, and. 697 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.359 He should not have been certain. He should not have 698 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:54.880 been no. 699 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.720 And also a shouldn't have said that fucking bitch like 700 00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.440 after he shoots her in the face too. That's crazy too. 701 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.039 Yeah, I mean the reaction, just the heartlessness of the 702 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.079 reaction to the ards was terrible, including by the administration. 703 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.440 That's probably why Christy Human ended up having to go. 704 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.920 But then on the other side, these protests are organized, 705 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.000 they're organized, and they're paid for, which is also something 706 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.559 to be take that people need to understand. These are 707 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.799 not organic protests. It's not organic that it just happened 708 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.000 to be taking place in the very same place where 709 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.279 you've found hundreds of millions of dollars in fraud. Right, 710 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.720 this is one of the clearest, most obvious distractions you've 711 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.559 ever seen, Like in the public arena where you have 712 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:41.279 these people who are being paid to protest. They give 713 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.119 them money to go out there in protest, they give 714 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.359 them signs they're organizing it. They go signal groups, they're 715 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.039 dosing all these different ice workers, they find out what 716 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.960 their license plates numbers are, they find out where they're staying. 717 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.640 They go to the hotel. The cops, the local cops 718 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.200 are being told to stand down. So you've got it 719 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:03.839 like this, this convergence of all these factors that lead 720 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.759 to chaos. And you know Mike Bens was talking about 721 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.720 and it was essentially saying it's a mathematical thing and 722 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.920 that if you have these things play out, you're going 723 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.759 to have a certain amount. It was Mike Ben's right, 724 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.319 was saying that there was a certain amount of people 725 00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.160 that are you're going to have incidences. You're just playing 726 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.759 it out over the numbers a certain amount of these protests. 727 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.599 You have organized protests, you have untrained ice agents, you 728 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.839 have a lot of chaos, you have support for people 729 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.200 screaming in the streets, someone gets shot, boom, and then 730 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.119 it moves the needle, and this is calculated that they 731 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:39.920 want this to happen. They want it to hap them 732 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.759 this way, because then this kills all the support for 733 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.039 people that you know, we're kind of on the fence 734 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.240 whether or not I should be deporting all illegals. Excuse me, 735 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:55.720 what it should Excuse me whether they should just go 736 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.480 after violent criminals. And and then there's these weird narratives like, 737 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:03.359 oh oh, only fourteen percent are violent criminals that have 738 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:07.440 been arrested. He was sixty percent of criminals. Sixty percent 739 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.800 of the people plus were criminals, And like what by 740 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.639 what definition violent criminals? Like you, like, what do you 741 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:17.599 is it okay if they just come in here and 742 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.239 rip people off, Like are you fine with that? It's 743 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.079 just like the violent ones we need to get rid of. 744 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.199 Like I think they didn't. Yeah, they did. They did 745 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.679 a fairly poor job of it. Like why were they 746 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.280 focused on Minneapolis? I think most people don't understand how 747 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.159 radical the left in Minneapolis is because it was a 748 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.199 Midwestern place, but it's actually got a long radical left tradition. 749 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.840 Yeah, and as you. 750 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:40.719 Were saying, I mean Alex Preddy, he should have been 751 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.000 arrested several days before, when he had a gun on 752 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.159 him and got into an altercation with the police. They 753 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:47.880 should have arrested him then, and then they could have 754 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:49.760 the judge could have done a lot of different things, 755 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.119 but they could have taken away his gun. They could 756 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.480 have put a restraining order on him so next time 757 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.599 he showed up and people would know to look for him, 758 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.719 then he would have been kept out of the area. 759 00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.840 Do you know the story about the gun that he 760 00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:02.760 was carring. No, Okay, So he's carrying a gun called 761 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:07.280 a cig P three twenty, which is notorious for accidental discharges. 762 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.840 Not mean there's lawsuits all over the place. There's videos 763 00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.079 of cops in precincts bending over to pick something up 764 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.920 and the gun goes off in his holster. There's a 765 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.760 ton of these. So I don't know if this is 766 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.480 completely accurate, because this is obviously the fog of chaos 767 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.239 of these type of altercations and situations. But there's a 768 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.679 video that many people have reviewed and it's their conclusion 769 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.280 that if you watch the video, when one of the 770 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.280 ice officers removes his gun, even though he does not 771 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.840 have his finger on the trigger, has his hand on 772 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.440 the gun and his fingers on the slide. As he's 773 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:48.239 moving off, it appears the gun goes off. Now they've 774 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.400 zoomed in on it and shown that it does look 775 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.840 like the gun's going off, and it does correspond with 776 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.000 the sound of a gunshot. It's just hard to know. 777 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.239 You hear a gunshot in the video, yes, but I. 778 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:01.840 Don't know if it's legitimate. It's hard to know. But 779 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.239 if it was any other gun, like say it was 780 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.159 a glock, I would say that doesn't make any sense. 781 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:07.960 His fingers on on the trigger, it's not gonna go off. 782 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:11.840 But that gun is notorious for going off. There's a 783 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:15.880 guy online that he shows a video where he takes 784 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.440 the gun and he manipulates the slide and it goes off, 785 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.320 and it goes off without nothing touching the trigger, no one, 786 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.159 no one's pulling on it. It's just if you have. 787 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.880 The other problem is people alter guns. Okay, So the 788 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.760 issue with the SIG was they they had I believe 789 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.400 up to twenty seventeen, they had a lighter trigger, and 790 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.079 this lighter trigger if the gun was dropped or if 791 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.559 something happened to it, it was going off, and they 792 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:48.679 determined it's the gun does not have an internal safety 793 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.119 like some other guns do. I'm not an expert, so 794 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.039 I don't know exactly what the trigger mechanism is, but 795 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.400 my understanding is that the trigger mechanism is different than 796 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.639 their other guns. Like they have another gun, it's notoriously reliable. 797 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.760 It's a sig P three sixty five. You could drop 798 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.000 that gun. It's not gonna go off. It's not known 799 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.000 for accidental discharge. But the three twenty is known, and 800 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.719 there's tons of videos of people demonstrating this online. There's 801 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.760 a video where they're on a range and a gun 802 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.360 goes off in a guy's holster and the range instructor says, 803 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:24.719 what the fuck just happened? And this guy he points 804 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:27.440 to this, you know, the gun that went off, and 805 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.880 he said, is that sig and he goes here, he goes, 806 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.760 get that fucking thing off the range. So it's that notorious, 807 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.079 this one particular model, and it just happened to be 808 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.440 the one particular model that Alex Pretty was carrying, which 809 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:41.599 is fucking crazy. 810 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.400 Well, his behavior was really reckless. It's really hard for 811 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:48.119 people to hold two ideas in their mind at the 812 00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:52.599 same time, Like Ice mess that up quite clearly, and 813 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.800 Alex Pretty, I mean, you we see the earlier video, 814 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.320 you know, where he kicks out the taillight of the 815 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.599 ice vehicle right and he's I mean, he's got a 816 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.159 gun in the waistband of his of his jackets, hidden 817 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.800 by the jacket. He gets into this altercation with the police. 818 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.480 I mean, I had when I posted about it, and 819 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.920 I didn't say this, but what a lot of the 820 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.079 responses were suicide by cop. People were like, suicide by cop. 821 00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.239 I mean, and I'm not making that claim, but I 822 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.000 mean his behavior was I mean, the recklessness of the 823 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.039 gun choice mirrors the recklessness of his behavior in those instances. 824 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.320 And I heard people being like, oh, well he you know, 825 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.760 he was just defending that poor woman. There was a 826 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.760 police officer engaged in an arrest of a person and 827 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.719 Alex pretty intervened in that. I mean, I think you 828 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:31.559 can mess around us. 829 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.920 It was a little I don't know if it was 830 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.280 an arrest. The police officer shoved this woman. 831 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.840 Yeah, he put he was in an altercation with somebody. 832 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.360 You don't go people, you know, there was people go, oh, 833 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:43.679 you got to put yourself in. What do you think 834 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.320 You're like, what do you think is going on here? 835 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.239 Like he should put himself in between that. 836 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.119 No, the way the ice officer wasn't a police officer, right, 837 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.199 it's an ice officer. Do you call them police? The 838 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.440 way the ice officer reacted to the woman did that 839 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.039 bothered me, Like he just shoved this leg like like 840 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.079 step forward and fully shoved. That's when Alex Pretty gets involved, 841 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.239 and then pepper spray comes out and then. 842 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.679 And Alex Pretty should have absolutely filmed that, should have 843 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:13.559 filmed the whole thing. That's exactly what a lot of people. 844 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.639 Were filming it. It was clear there's cameras all over them. So, 845 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.480 but don't mean multiple angles. 846 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.480 Yeah, so, but it's like, I just don't think that's 847 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:26.199 appropriate behavior. That's not the tradition of like I mean, 848 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.199 I think there's a non violent left wing tradition that's 849 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.960 actually quite beautiful and spiritual and the Roe and Gandhi 850 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:37.119 and King. That's not what was going on in Minneapolis. 851 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:38.480 That's not at all what's going on. 852 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.119 This is a part of the problem with these things 853 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.960 being organized, right, organized paid protests and also people being 854 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:48.480 radicalized by narratives. Then of course very different than what 855 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.880 was going on with the civil rights movement. You have 856 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:56.360 social media, so people are like radically pushed in one 857 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.760 direction or another. And it's not clear whether or not 858 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.599 that it's organic. It's not clear is this the voice 859 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.880 of the people or is this bot farms that are 860 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.760 pushing things in one direction or another? Is it? I mean, 861 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:13.559 there's there's a lot of people that I cautiously watch 862 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.519 their their posts on on X where I know that 863 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.400 they're AI. I know it's AI. I can just tell 864 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:20.280 by the way they write. 865 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.280 Well, there's so much as heard. 866 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.239 It's weird because it does muddy the water and it 867 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.679 does fuck with discourse. But it also radicalizes people one 868 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.800 way or the radicalizes people towards the right, radicalizes people 869 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.159 towards the left. It's not good. And I think this guy, 870 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.320 whatever his mental health struggles were, that they appeared to exist, 871 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.360 it seems like he was a troubled guy already. So 872 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.559 a thing comes along that defines them a cause that 873 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.159 they're going to stand up for and fight for because 874 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.679 their life's probably a fucking mess and their mind is 875 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.440 probably a mess. And they look at this, they look 876 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.360 at it like it's this black and white binary situation 877 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.719 for good guys and bad guys, and let's fuck all 878 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.840 these fascists and these kicking tail lights and you know, 879 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.039 get involved in pushing matches with ice agents. It's like 880 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.760 that's crazy, Like all that stuff should and can get 881 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:15.400 you arrested. 882 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.719 Yeah, I mean I think on the organized issue, remember, 883 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.519 like the Civil rights move was really well organized and 884 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:22.880 terms it was like, actually. 885 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.039 Weren't being paid for it. It wasn't me a promotion on 886 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.679 social media. It wasn't people's job. There are people in 887 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.800 America right now that are unemployed that are paid protesters 888 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:31.360 for a living. 889 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.440 Oh, I mean that's the entire like left wing NGO 890 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.840 sector is basically that, right, Yeah, I mean that's like 891 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.320 that we saw it. I see the level of San 892 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.760 Francisco and for homelessness. They just go and you work 893 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:45.280 at a government funded or soro's funded ngo and then 894 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.559 you do all that civil disobedient stuff on your free time. 895 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:50.840 And but I was, I just think I think that 896 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.760 you're you're right, you were right when you're saying like, 897 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:54.960 because I think it's the problem is not the organization. 898 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.840 The problem is that the organization in Minneapolis had a 899 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:02.920 goal of causing exactly what occurred. The organization around the 900 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.840 civil rights movement was to desegregate soda counters. Yes, and 901 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.119 so one of them was about actually, I mean the 902 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.519 other thing is that brought pull back a little bit further. 903 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.679 Martha King and the civil rights movement was about affirming 904 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.199 our liberal democratic Western civilization. Black people wanted to be 905 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.199 a part of it. This stuff where you're like, we 906 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:26.880 want to open the border and defund the police and 907 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.320 basically start attacking all of these institutions of liberal democratic civilization, 908 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.840 that's different. That's a radicalized left fundamental. 909 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.400 Clearly, he defines it best to suicidal empathy. 910 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.280 I don't agree with gad on that. 911 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.159 No, you don't think it's suicidal empathy. 912 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.920 I don't think it's either suicidal or empathic, because empathy 913 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.079 is empathy is. 914 00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.920 Like, Well, he minimized that to a lot of progressive ideas, 915 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.679 not just the immigration thing. I don't think he necessarily. 916 00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:57.840 I think it was actually long before the immigration thing 917 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.519 that he was talking about at suicidal empathy. The idea 918 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.000 being that you need the rule of law to have 919 00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:04.639 a safe and peaceful society. 920 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.639 Yes, that part is true, that's part's true. 921 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.599 Yeah, you need no violence, you need no crime. And 922 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:13.440 when you're taking criminals and just releasing them from jail 923 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.280 and you have no cash bail, and you're doing all 924 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.960 these things. If you want to put on the fucking 925 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.960 tinfoil hat, you would do that because you want chaos, 926 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.159 Because you want chaos so you can have more rules 927 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.760 and tighten down on people and have more control over 928 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.079 the civilization. 929 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.360 Yeah, I mean I think in that. I mean I think, 930 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:36.000 like it's not empathic to allow more violent crime. Like 931 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.280 I don't think that's empathy towards victims, So I don't 932 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.079 think I wouldn't call it empathy. And not only that, 933 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.880 but like when you look at like these who these 934 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.400 folks are, and I spend a lot of time looking 935 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.800 at them and was one of them. They hate Western civilization, 936 00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.440 they hate the United States of America, they hate capitalism, 937 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:55.480 like it's an anti civilization thing that's motivating it. And 938 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.280 that's not to say that like MSNBC watchers don't feel, 939 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.440 oh I feel bad for that person, But I mean, 940 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.760 I always you know, it's like like the people I 941 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.280 hear complain about ice, they don't know any illegal immigrants. 942 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.320 They've never talked to them other than maybe their server 943 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:11.840 or that you know, but they don't even really talk 944 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.239 to their gardeners, or their or their you know, the 945 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.360 their maids. It's like the idea that they empathy implies 946 00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:23.159 a deep understanding of someone's situation, and so I think 947 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.280 it's a misdescription of empathy. I think in some ways 948 00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.039 it's more quite the opposite of that, that they're actually 949 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.480 not showing empathy for all the people that are hurt 950 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.800 by their policies, whether it's open borders or enabling addiction, 951 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:40.360 or euthanizing poor and mentally ill people in Canada or 952 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:43.880 transing kids. I don't think that those things are empathic, 953 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.320 and the person that's doing them I don't think is suicidal. 954 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.199 If anything, they're actually quite full of themselves and quite 955 00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.679 arrogant about what they're doing. I mean, I use the 956 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.239 word pathological altruism in San Francisco, and I say it's 957 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.639 close to monk Housen syndrome by proxy. Maybe it is 958 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.280 mon chasm syndrome by proxy, but I don't think it's 959 00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:06.760 I worry about I worry about affirming because I think 960 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.440 that's how progressives go to go, oh, well, if we 961 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.079 if the homeless are are worse off, that's just because 962 00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.159 we care so much. I just don't think that's the case. 963 00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.320 Well, that's the homeless thing is nuts, because the homeless 964 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.119 thing is just a scam. And we know that basically 965 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:24.320 because of California. Like California, what's happened with the whole 966 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:29.840 homeless budget is so insane, and that they vetoed audits 967 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.559 of these budgets. There's been twenty four billion dollars spent, 968 00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.920 no one knows where it went, there's no accountability, and 969 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.159 then the homeless situation increases. 970 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:41.960 Well that's why, I mean, remember, it's like it's funny, 971 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.000 like my students just did a pay We have something 972 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.320 we've been working on it too, like the Canadian euthanasia program. 973 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.920 And it's like every year the numbers just keep going 974 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.599 up and up and remind me of when you interview 975 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.320 homeless you know, service providers in San Francisco, they'll be like, yeah, 976 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.280 I know, we're doing an amazing job. Every year we 977 00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.920 serve more and more people. It's like, right, you have 978 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.800 all the you have the wrong incentives. You're trying you're 979 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.480 even incentive to serve to you've incentive to create homelessness, 980 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.320 and that's what they've done. 981 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.400 Well, if you get more money, if you have more 982 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:13.199 homeless You're incentive is now not to eliminate homelessness, because. 983 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:14.880 That's your job, right, that's how you make all your 984 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:15.280 mon When. 985 00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.679 I first was alerted to that, I was like, I 986 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.440 can't believe this is real. Like when you find out 987 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.519 the amount of money that's involved in homelessness, like that 988 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.480 they spend twenty four billion dollars. Okay, where did that go? Where? 989 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.719 And then there's no accountability. Okay, there's no fraud. You're 990 00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.440 saying there's no fraud zero. 991 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:36.599 Well I wish there was fraud. I mean, somebody was 992 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.079 sort of like, can we expose you know, like Nick 993 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.079 Shirley exposed the daycare is not doing anything in the Minnesota. 994 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.960 I was like, I wish the homeless service providers weren't 995 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.719 doing anything. If they're stealing the money, then there'd be 996 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:48.679 a lot less homelessness. 997 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.920 Well would you so you think they're actually using the 998 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:54.480 money to create homelessness? 999 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:56.440 Yeah? Oh yeah, I mean think about Like so San 1000 00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.400 Francisco was like out between one hundred and one hundred 1001 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.400 and twenty thousand dollars a year per homeless person. Think 1002 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.880 I think LA at a bargain of something more like 1003 00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:07.559 twenty five thousand that's just San Francisco. That doesn't count 1004 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.719 the twenty four billion that California gave. So that money's 1005 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.800 going to you know, single resident occupancy hotel owners, it's 1006 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:20.239 going to nonprofit service providers or just bringing food and 1007 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:24.599 you know, alcohol and drug paraphernalia to make it easier 1008 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.079 for people to do drugs and overdose and live in 1009 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.599 tents on the street. That's just it's very expensive to 1010 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.320 kill that many people that way. That's what San Francisco 1011 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:34.159 has proven. 1012 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.800 Right, But it's really about the amount of people where 1013 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.079 that's their industry, that there is an industry in taking 1014 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:46.199 care of the homeless situation and addressing the homeless situation. 1015 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.119 And you know coleyon Noir when he was on the podcast, 1016 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:50.559 he was explaining to me that he went to San 1017 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.360 Francisco and he was like, why is it so bad 1018 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:55.280 up here? Do they need Money's like, no, no, no. 1019 00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:57.239 This guy who's a lawyer is explaining to him. He's 1020 00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.039 a lawyer as well, it was explaining it to him 1021 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.880 like no, no, no. These people people are getting money to 1022 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.280 deal with the homeless situation, and some of them are 1023 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.679 making quarter billion dollars a year and more, which is 1024 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.719 just nuts, and then it's not getting better, it's only 1025 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.880 getting worse. And yet they see they still keep getting 1026 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.719 that money. So it's like there's zero incentive to make 1027 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.159 it better. There's only an incentive to make it worse. 1028 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.880 And then when you have no accountability, so there's no 1029 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.159 auditing of the money. Twenty four billion dollars is a 1030 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.519 lot of fucking money. So where who's getting greased up? 1031 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:29.559 Where's that money going? 1032 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.559 Mostly it's into the it's into the temporary what they 1033 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.400 call they call it permanent. It's propaganda word, Probablyganda. It's 1034 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:39.760 a permanent supportive housing. It's neither permanent nor supportive. It's 1035 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.519 often warehousing addicts where they die. I mean we know 1036 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.599 that they died at very high levels in those little 1037 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.280 this is a little crummy you know, single resion occupancy rooms. 1038 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.039 They bought a lot of motels that were you know, low, 1039 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.719 low income, you know, low you know, cheap motels, converting 1040 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.760 them having but they don't really there's no I mean, 1041 00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.960 all that money should have gone into a centralized addiction 1042 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.760 psychiatric care system CALSYCH is what it should have been, 1043 00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.039 and instead it's just it's just kind of yeah, it's 1044 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.360 just basically incentivizing people to live on the streets and 1045 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:12.760 use hard drugs and die in overdose. 1046 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:14.880 It's just so crazy. I mean, if you wanted to 1047 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.079 make it better, you to incentivize them and pay them 1048 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.360 based on the amount of people that are no longer. 1049 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:20.840 Homeless, right, But they don't do that. 1050 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.880 But then the problem with that is, well, you're eventually 1051 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.719 going to fix it all and then your business is 1052 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:25.639 going to go away. 1053 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.840 Right, And that's all happening. I think it's I think 1054 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.280 it's all happening unconsciously. Like there's no room. There's no 1055 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.480 like you know, secret room where they're rubbing their hands 1056 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:35.760 and being like, oh, we're gonna make a lot of 1057 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.719 money this way. It's just, you know, when you interview them, 1058 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:41.800 it's a very basic view. You know. It's just these 1059 00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.880 people are victims. They're victims of white supremacy and capitalism, 1060 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.039 and and to victims everything should be given in nothing required. 1061 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.920 Well, I think that's a nice narrative. But I think 1062 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:56.119 once you start getting monthly paychecks from the homeless industrial complex, 1063 00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.679 I think your incentive is to keep this party going. Well. 1064 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.280 Sure, but they but they think it's good. I mean, 1065 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.440 they go this shows how good we're doing that. We 1066 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.119 got a bigger budget this year. In that's that's how 1067 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.519 they rationalize it. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a sign 1068 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:13.719 of a very sick society. 1069 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.559 Hence the title of your book, San Francisco, Sicco, which 1070 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.119 is a great title. I mean, it's a sick place, 1071 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.599 and it was one of my favorite cities. It was 1072 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.199 an amazing city. Well, California owned my Netflix special there 1073 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.920 in twenty sixteen, so in just the amount of time 1074 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.000 in ten years, it's completely fallen apart. When I was 1075 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.480 there in twenty sixteen, it was great with the I 1076 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.599 mean there was always a lot of homeless people there, 1077 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:39.559 but you have that in any liberal city. But it 1078 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.760 was never an epidemic. It was never like tents everywhere 1079 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.599 and shit on the streets. That wasn't the case. It 1080 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.679 was just, you know, it was a liberal city, a 1081 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.400 progressive liberal city. But it was cool. There was a 1082 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.480 lot of outdoor music. It was fun. It was a 1083 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.000 great place to go to restaurants and people walked around. 1084 00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.760 It was a great city filled with intelligent, interesting, open 1085 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:04.679 minded people. Man. I lived there when I was a 1086 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.239 little kid. I was there during the Vietnam War from 1087 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.800 age seven, to eleven. I lived in San Francisco. 1088 00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:12.719 It's a little bit better now they had a new mayor. Yeah, 1089 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.639 a little bit. I mean I want to acknowledge. I 1090 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.960 can't lie about it. It's a little bit better. I agree. 1091 00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.559 I interviewed a lot of people still about what's going on. 1092 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:22.079 It's still there. 1093 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.360 Did you see what happened with the mayor with. 1094 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.960 His security guard? Yeah, I got pulled down. 1095 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.719 Yeah. First of all, for sure used to learn some 1096 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.000 fucking jiu jitsu. The way he let that guy grab him, 1097 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:33.960 You didn't he didn't pummel, he didn't do anything. It 1098 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.480 looked like he had no understanding of what to do 1099 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.599 when that guy grabbed his body, Like, how was he 1100 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.079 a security guard? That's crazy? How could you be a 1101 00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.599 security for the mayor if you literally don't know what 1102 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:45.360 to do in a clinch. 1103 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.480 I thought he looked like he didn't really see the 1104 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:49.480 guy as a threat or something like maybe he thought 1105 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:50.800 he was just crazy all this. 1106 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.199 I didn't see a guy as a threat. If a 1107 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.679 guy grabs me like that, I'm not going to let 1108 00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:57.960 him get that position on me. 1109 00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:59.559 And he cut back. It probably cut his back of 1110 00:51:59.559 --> 00:51:59.920 his head. 1111 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:02.840 And banged him on the ground, he body slammed onto 1112 00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:04.159 the fucking concrete, and then. 1113 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:05.400 A metaphor for the whole same. 1114 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.880 Just walks away and he walked away like it was 1115 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.440 nothing like he walked away not he didn't. 1116 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.000 Run, see though, because I saw that video and I 1117 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.199 couldn't tell if the mayor actually saw what was happening. 1118 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.239 He seemed like he was going he was looking that way, 1119 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:18.119 and so he was. 1120 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:22.360 He was here when they started physically, was struggling with 1121 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.039 each other. And then when they're struggling with each other, 1122 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.480 he walks off, and then the guy gets body slam. 1123 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.360 It was the weirdest video to watch. Yeah, it is 1124 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.000 a nonchalant Yeah. 1125 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.400 As a metaphor for the city, this is a different angle. 1126 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:35.559 The mayor actually is running. 1127 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:35.960 Off to get help. 1128 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:40.760 Oh he is running off, Yeah, may refresh this. Yeah, 1129 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.119 so there's the merrit there. Okay, he pushes this guy here. 1130 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:49.360 In a second, the mayor sort of as soon as 1131 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.039 he gets watched, takes off. 1132 00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.719 So why why are they hanging out with this guy 1133 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:55.639 in the first that looks like they're in kingbos So 1134 00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.519 the security guards started it and he doesn't know what 1135 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:04.639 the fuck he's doing. There's here, Okay, it like better, 1136 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.760 and the other guy's a lot stronger than him. So 1137 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.559 the mayor he looks. 1138 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.280 He starts running, right, he seems relaxed. 1139 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.880 Okay, Okay, he did start walking slowly and then starts, 1140 00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.000 but that's going to get help. That guy started it all. 1141 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.840 He pushed that guy. If you're a security guy, the 1142 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:26.719 last thing you want to do when there's one of 1143 00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:30.119 you and two of those other guys is deal with 1144 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.159 the situation that way where you push a guy. 1145 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.320 I'm I have to say it's she said, I'm always 1146 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:36.719 surprised when I see them, dude, like that was the 1147 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.519 same thing that happened with the preddy we're just talking about. 1148 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.000 Don't you think this guy's probably armed too? I mean, 1149 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:48.079 but also he shouldn't have pushed that guy that way. 1150 00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:49.719 I mean, the whole thing is fucking stupid. 1151 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:51.400 Look at the look at the chaos or somebody else 1152 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.559 just ranging around and they're helmeless person or something. 1153 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:56.519 Yeah, yeah, the other guy's probably talking ship. I bet 1154 00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.079 that guy's funny. I bet he's the guy with a 1155 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.679 big coat on. I mean, I don't, for the life 1156 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.239 of me, none of it makes sense, right, None of 1157 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.440 it makes sense. The mayor walking off casually and then 1158 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.440 eventually running. It doesn't make sense the security guy just 1159 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.400 walked up to those guys and pushed them. When your 1160 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:18.719 details to take care of the mayor, you should be 1161 00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.599 escorting him around that and getting him away from any 1162 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:26.599 potential trouble. Like the brazenness of just walking up and 1163 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.079 pushing that guy whell you don't know how to fight 1164 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.760 at all. It's very clear when you watch the way 1165 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.760 they grappled with each other, he doesn't know what he's doing. 1166 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.239 This episode is brought to you by Into It. TurboTax. 1167 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.239 April fifteenth is coming fast. There's been so many tax 1168 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.000 law changes this year, which means you're going to need 1169 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.639 an expert who has your back. You're in luck. TurboTax 1170 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:51.320 now has in person locations nationwide. 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I mean that's the same the pretty thing, 1179 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:19.480 Like why pushing? 1180 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:19.760 Is that? 1181 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.599 Like a is that like an important law enforcement technique? 1182 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:23.280 I mean, what is that? 1183 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.480 Well, not only that he pushed a small woman, the 1184 00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:31.480 ice guy just completely just full on shoves this small woman. 1185 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:33.679 Which means he was emotionally out of control first, right, 1186 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:35.840 it means that he was angry. He was angry. 1187 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.079 These guys are not like special forces guys. They're not 1188 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.000 well trained. These guys are seven weeks now seven weeks, 1189 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.079 and a lot of them are financially incentivized because like 1190 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.199 if you get fifty thousand dollars, like if you're in 1191 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.960 debt and then you could take this job on. I 1192 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.719 don't when they get the fifty thousand dollars, how long 1193 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.199 do they have to stay on the job for to 1194 00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.840 have that money, to have that signing bonus or is 1195 00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:59.719 it one of those things where you get the fifty 1196 00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:03.239 thousand dollars as a signing bonus, but you pay it 1197 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.599 like a record deal type deal where it's not really 1198 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:07.719 your money. You have to make it up later. 1199 00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:08.519 I'm at it. 1200 00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:10.719 Still, if you can get fifty thousand dollars, there's a 1201 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:12.320 lot of people that'll take that job. 1202 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:18.039 Yeah, they're just yeah, it was just a bunch of bad, 1203 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:18.880 bad choices. 1204 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:20.519 Maybe admonstration on that one. 1205 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.519 Someone's read it comments saying they have no personal experience, 1206 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:27.039 but they've heard that it's fifty k over four years 1207 00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.039 if you're in good standing at the end of those 1208 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:29.800 four years. 1209 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:33.639 Oh so you only get it after four years, right, right, 1210 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:37.199 But for some people that have no job opportunities, yeah, 1211 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.639 and no nothing on the horizon, that fifty thousand dollars 1212 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.599 looks like. Look, it's an extra twenty five K year, 1213 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:47.599 or an extra you know, twenty five k for for 1214 00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:49.360 four years for fifty forty. 1215 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.840 Person says that's incorrect. It's broken into ten payments, once 1216 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.679 at ninety days, then once every year for four more years. 1217 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:55.760 Anyway, Oh it's broken. 1218 00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:57.719 But by the way, it's fifty thousand dollars that you 1219 00:56:57.760 --> 00:56:59.360 would not have been able to make. 1220 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.440 I mean, we had police shortages before twenty twenty. We 1221 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:05.920 had a bunch of police shortages after that, mostly by 1222 00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.840 police officers who were just felt mistreated by the society 1223 00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:12.159 and by their local mayors who said that they were evil. 1224 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.639 Well, didn't a lot of comps resign when Adam Donni 1225 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.320 got elected. 1226 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:17.679 Oh, I'm sure, and then a COVID drove and then 1227 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:20.199 they and a bunch of police officers driven out during COVID, 1228 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.880 So there was already our security forces have been, you know, 1229 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.840 and they were just people underestimate how important it is 1230 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.360 to feel like important in your job and respected. And 1231 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:33.760 it's not just about the money, because they would be 1232 00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:35.519 offering more money. But I think a lot of people like, 1233 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:36.519 oh no, I don't want to be in a job 1234 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.000 where people are like spitting at me or throwing urine, and. 1235 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.320 Well not just that job where your life is on 1236 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:41.719 the line. 1237 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.199 Yeah, your life is already on the line, and then 1238 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.960 you're mistreated by the wider society, which actually creates additional risks, 1239 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.119 you know, as this chaos in Minneapolis shows. So yeah, 1240 00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.000 it's just people want to believe that they're doing something 1241 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:56.639 that is appreciated by the community. And so when the 1242 00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:00.440 community decides that they're against policing, your civilization's pretty far going. 1243 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.679 All right. But this is the difference between policing and 1244 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:05.400 this ice thing. The ice thing is a different thing, right, 1245 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.920 They're looking at it differently. It's not like you're watching 1246 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.360 a violent altercation take place. The police show up and 1247 00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:12.760 people are spitting on them, like you're trying to break 1248 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.400 up a violent crime. This is different. They're looking at 1249 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.079 it like in the progressive narrative is like, no one's 1250 00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.760 illegal on stolen land, and we need to have open 1251 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:26.159 borders and illegals or immigrants rather or the foundation of 1252 00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.000 this country. And you hear all that those narratives. 1253 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:31.199 The president and those the president and the administration. They 1254 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:33.519 wanted to pick a fight, obviously with this left wing 1255 00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:35.559 with activists in this left wing city. They thought it 1256 00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.280 would were down to their benefit to show how crazy 1257 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:40.239 the left was, and it backfired on them. 1258 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.920 Well, I think they wanted to do something about the 1259 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:47.639 amount of illegal fraud that was just recently exposed in Minneapolis. 1260 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:49.559 But I don't know that that's but you wouldn't do it 1261 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.760 with ice raids though, I mean, well. 1262 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.800 It's illegal immigrants. If you have illegal immigrants that are 1263 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.719 responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in fraud, and 1264 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.320 you know at least some of them are illegal, it 1265 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.960 seems rational that you would send Eisen to find out 1266 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.320 who's illegal and who's not and put a stop to 1267 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.320 some of it. And there's also this nationwide focus on 1268 00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.039 this one place because of the Nick Shirley videos. 1269 00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:14.119 Yeah. Yeah, though I think that the motivate My understanding 1270 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.320 is that the motivation was to motivate people that are 1271 00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.960 here illegally to self deport, and so that that's the 1272 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.320 main part of the strategy, is this show of force, 1273 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.880 because of course it's they wanted the publicity. They wanted 1274 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.440 people to be scared and self deport. They claim that, 1275 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.559 you know, one point I think three million people self 1276 00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:35.119 deported or at one point four and another four hundred 1277 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.400 thousand or six hundred thousand deported through the normal channels. 1278 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.360 And apparently they're just limited to how many people they 1279 00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:42.639 can actually deport through the normal channels. But they can 1280 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.360 get people can self deport, they can just go and 1281 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.800 because of course there's this thing called everify where you 1282 00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:50.519 just have the employers have to prove that everybody you're 1283 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.199 employing is here legally, and they don't want to do that. 1284 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.719 Tr administration doesn't want to do that because they'll upset 1285 00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:00.599 in particular like the agricultural lobby, but others construction who 1286 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.119 depend on So it's a it's a funny, it's not great. 1287 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.360 I don't know. I'm not saying that there's that I 1288 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.239 have the perfect answer to the other one. But obviously, 1289 01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:11.960 like politically, the president doesn't feel like they can do 1290 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.800 everify and maintain support from the business community for his 1291 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.840 political agenda. So you end up but you end up 1292 01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.079 with a kind of underclass that's here illegally, but that's 1293 01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:25.119 protected because they're working in a sector that the president 1294 01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.519 and the administration wants to protect. But then you're also 1295 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.639 self deporting people. I'm not sure exactly how they're thinking 1296 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.880 about it, but that appears to be what the heart 1297 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:37.000 of their goal is. 1298 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.079 Well, this was always you know what a lot of 1299 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.920 people on the left back in the day would say 1300 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:46.039 that illegal immigrants was, this was like a Koch Brothers thing. 1301 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:48.400 This was like a right wing thing that they wanted 1302 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:52.440 this for for exactly what you just described, and that 1303 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.400 this was not a left wing progressive idea, and that 1304 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.920 what it would do is would lower the wages for 1305 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.639 the lower class in the middle class this country, and 1306 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.000 it would be bad for the citizens. And so you 1307 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:07.280 don't want unchecked illegal immigration. Unchecked illegal immigration would just 1308 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.400 be for the right, because they're the ones who own 1309 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:12.280 these massive corporations that are profiting off of illegal labor. 1310 01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.199 They don't have to pay them benefits, they don't have 1311 01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:16.920 to pay them healthcare, any of the things that are 1312 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.599 you know that cost money. 1313 01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:22.639 Yeah, I mean on the left was always balancing a 1314 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.760 sort of open society, you know, they wanted the Soros 1315 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.079 Foundation always wanted to have a free movement of people 1316 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:30.199 to That was sort of their view of why. One 1317 01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.719 part why the Holocaust occurred is that you couldn't move 1318 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:34.960 you know, you know, at least the persecutions, you couldn't 1319 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:37.880 move people as easily. But then you had the working class, 1320 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.280 you know, who were negatively affected by bringing to migrants 1321 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:42.719 who would push down wages, and unions who are a 1322 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.320 big part of the Democrat party. So the Democrats were 1323 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:48.079 sort of divided on it for a while, but they 1324 01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:50.519 managed it. And Hillary and Obama would sort of if 1325 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.719 you look at when they were competing in two thousand 1326 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.519 and eight, they were very carefully like there was a 1327 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:58.599 whole thing around like driver's licenses, whether she would give 1328 01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:02.320 them or not, and obamacque Hillary of kind of playing 1329 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.159 both sides of it, you know, typical thing. But they 1330 01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.519 also both spoke out strongly against mass migration. Fast forward 1331 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:11.679 ten years, you know, fast forward much more than that 1332 01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:14.960 it was at sixteen years into today. And now you've 1333 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.960 got a much more working class Republican party who's unified 1334 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.880 around keeping the borders closed and restricting the supply of 1335 01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:25.480 low income, unskilled workers, because I mean, it's just obvious. 1336 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.719 I mean it's it was really weird to watch people 1337 01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.280 that are always defending supply and demand and economics and 1338 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.280 economic policy then say, oh, no, but having open borders 1339 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.880 and having all these working class people come in is 1340 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.840 going to have no impact on wages when obviously it would. 1341 01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:42.000 And I think that's now that's also now gone. I 1342 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.280 think that's another thing that's just Trump has just changed. 1343 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.800 I don't think you're going to see Democrats going back 1344 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.320 to advocating that kind of mass migration again, right, But. 1345 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:54.960 You could see a world where they would push back 1346 01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.360 against what has happened. What would they would say the 1347 01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.320 barbaric nature of some of these ice raids, and then 1348 01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.079 saying from this is a filter ice water, and that too. 1349 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:06.199 If you'd like, you don't have to not have your bottle. 1350 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:06.760 We don't care. 1351 01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:09.880 Oh it's in the shot, No, it doesn't matter. 1352 01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:13.519 We don't care, it doesn't matter, but you could see 1353 01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:17.360 how they could go back to a much looser border policy. 1354 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:20.960 I think they won't. I think they won't. I think 1355 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.679 the closed border, I mean, I think that that sweet 1356 01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:25.960 spot of public opinion is like people really want to close. 1357 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:27.440 I think it was just really. 1358 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.599 But I don't think public opinion supported an open border, 1359 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.320 even on the left, no, during those last four years. 1360 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.480 But yet they did it anyway. And they were moving 1361 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:39.880 people to blue states, they were moving people to swing states, 1362 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.599 they were flying people in, busting people. They were doing 1363 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:43.239 it on purpose. 1364 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.719 Isn't that not? Also though, because the blue state governors 1365 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.000 were more welcoming of them. 1366 01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:49.159 There's a little bit of that. But there was also 1367 01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:51.960 the idea that you're going to juice up the congressional 1368 01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:53.639 seats because you're going to change the census. 1369 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.679 Maybe, although California lost seats right. 1370 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.800 Well, because California has done such a fucking terrible job 1371 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.960 of governing their state. It's so that place is so crazy, 1372 01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:06.079 Like every time there's some new law that they're trying 1373 01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.079 to push through, some new bill, and I'm like, do 1374 01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:10.079 they just want everyone to leave? 1375 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.679 Well, they drove the billionaires out right, Yeah, I mean, 1376 01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:14.880 I know they drove out of David Zacks came to Austin. 1377 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.880 I think Mark Zuckerberg moved to Florida. I heard rumors 1378 01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:19.559 to Steven Spielberg. I don't know if that's I don't 1379 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.280 want to spread disinformation. I don't want to spread misinformation. 1380 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.559 But I heard he was leaving. But yeah, it's good. 1381 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.239 The thing that drives me the most nuts is when 1382 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.440 these progressive talking heads staying they don't want to pay 1383 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:34.000 their fair share with the amount of waste and fraud. 1384 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.519 Why would you you don't think there should be some 1385 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:40.840 accountability to how much fucking waste and fraud that has 1386 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:46.480 been clearly demonstrated, Like the solutions just give more money, 1387 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.960 Oh when they can do it because they have it, 1388 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:51.159 So what you just give more money and now it's 1389 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:54.679 thirty billion dollars goes to homeless with no accountability, Like 1390 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:56.360 you what are you saying? Like, where do you think 1391 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.440 this money's gonna go where it's actually gonna help people 1392 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.920 in effect things in a positive way. There's been no 1393 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:04.880 indication that that's the case, That the real problem is 1394 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.880 they just haven't had enough money from the billionaires. That's 1395 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:13.400 fucking ludicrous. That ideas. It's such a lazy, intellectually lazy 1396 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:16.840 way of framing this whole discussion. That's saying, Oh, they 1397 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.320 don't want to pay their fair share, fuck you, that's 1398 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:21.679 not what's going on here. What's going on here. You 1399 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:25.679 have a completely incompetent government that's absolutely corrupt and they 1400 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.159 want more money. Oh yeah, gas is like eight dollars 1401 01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.840 a gallon almost Now, oh that's bananas. 1402 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:33.760 They were going to shut down. I mean, the refiners 1403 01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:37.760 are being shut down in that initiative. The Billionaire's Tax 1404 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:41.519 is an s CiU initiative, so meaning it's the union 1405 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:46.079 that covers healthcare workers like nurses. They're very radical, very 1406 01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:49.760 radical left, and the money is to provide medicaid for 1407 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:52.559 undocumented immigrants. Like that's what they want it for, right, 1408 01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:55.480 So like that's the whole thing, and so you literally 1409 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:58.639 get the This is like, this is why people worry 1410 01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:01.599 about democracy. You get all the is very democratic, but 1411 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.480 you get these powerful unions and they're able to change 1412 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.400 the laws like that. I mean it's called the Curly 1413 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:09.480 effect because there was a Boston mayor named Curly who 1414 01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.360 made everything so bad for his political opponents that they left. 1415 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:15.280 But the consequence was that he ended up gaining more power. 1416 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.159 So all of when everybody moves to you know, when 1417 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:21.320 all the like moderate Democrats moved to Austin or Miami 1418 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:24.960 or Denver or wherever, California just sends up locked in 1419 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:27.159 more to a progressive agenda, that's the problem. 1420 01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:30.639 Well, I think the idea is that it's so good 1421 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:34.280 there that most people are just going to tolerate whatever 1422 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:36.199 new bullshit they throw your way. 1423 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:37.760 One hundred percent. And also, I mean it seems like 1424 01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:40.519 the tech community is now backing the San Jose mayor 1425 01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.679 who's running, who's a very Democrat, very moderate, you know, 1426 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.239 but he's been critical of Gavin running for governor. Yeah, 1427 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.559 Matt mayhean, so keep your eyes on him. I mean, 1428 01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:54.599 he's not he's not like maybe the most exciting guy, 1429 01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:56.880 but he's definitely running as a moderate. 1430 01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:00.280 That might be give some money exciting people are I. 1431 01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.679 Know, they want he might be enough to I don't know, 1432 01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:04.880 It's hard to say, but it does look like because 1433 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:08.159 I mean, look, there's plenty of the tech community only 1434 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:11.280 woke up politically in twenty twenty four. That's how long 1435 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.880 it took. And it really took things getting so bad 1436 01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:16.960 where they were telling Mark Andresen as he said to 1437 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.079 you on your show, that they were shutting off whole 1438 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:22.440 parts of AI. The Bid administration was openly threatening AI 1439 01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:24.800 and this huge new and you know, there's concerns. I'm 1440 01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:26.880 not saying that there's not, but I think the I 1441 01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:29.599 think at some point the tech community, which had been 1442 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:33.119 you know, either leaning Democrat, you know for a long 1443 01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.719 time since the Obama era, you know, or wanted to 1444 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:37.559 stay out of politics because they just wanted to focus 1445 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.960 on their machines and their investments. They don't really want 1446 01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:41.719 to be involved in politics. But they woke up in 1447 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.039 twenty twenty four, and so hopefully because it's not I mean, 1448 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.159 when you see what Soros has done and you really 1449 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.280 appreciate the power that one billionaire can have, you kind 1450 01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:53.519 of go, why is there nothing like that, you know 1451 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.239 on the other side, Why is it so dominated by Soros? 1452 01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.760 And so I hope that that's starting to happen. But yeah, 1453 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.320 when you start to chase out the billion and the 1454 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.920 billionaires just give up on California, then it's got to 1455 01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:06.079 be whoever's remaining to try to put the money behind 1456 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:07.519 the guy that can get some change there. 1457 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:13.119 Yeah, that's I mean, I don't see a pathway where 1458 01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:17.479 California anytime soon turns around. I don't see how it could. 1459 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.760 I feel like it's the momentum has shifted so far 1460 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:25.920 in a terrible direction, and the solutions are always tax more, 1461 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:32.359 take more money from people. You see of this completely corrupt, irresponsible, 1462 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:37.279 fraud ridden, wasteful government that wants more of your money. 1463 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.159 And the solution is, if we take more money, we're 1464 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.359 gonna make things better, which is just insanity. 1465 01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:47.399 I mean, things that can't go on don't. So I mean, 1466 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:49.079 you could see it, right, I mean, Matt, if it's 1467 01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:51.960 say Matt Mahan or somebody more moderate gets into be governor, 1468 01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:55.880 Rick Rusa runs for La mayor again, I mean, honestly, 1469 01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:59.119 like if somebody can't defeat Karen Bass after she let 1470 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:02.079 Los Angeles burn away, which is now we now know 1471 01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:05.640 for a fact was just totally preventable, Absolutely preventable, I 1472 01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:07.920 was saying at the time, But now we know they 1473 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.439 tried to rewrite the report, but it's clear it was 1474 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:11.199 totally preventable. 1475 01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.399 How did they try to rewrite thet. 1476 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.359 Well, the report, you know, said here's all the things 1477 01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:17.760 that the fire department should have done that didn't happen. 1478 01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:20.479 And ultimately, you know, the mayor is the one that 1479 01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:23.560 chooses the fire chief and fires the fire chief, and 1480 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.199 the mayor was warned. They were warned, and she goes 1481 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:30.199 to Fli Staghana for this little junket presidential inauguration, paling 1482 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.039 around when she should have been in La with a 1483 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.359 at a command headquarters. And you know, and if she wasn't, 1484 01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:38.479 then Gavin should have been. You know, Schwarzenegger, towards the 1485 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.359 head end of his administration, they would just mobilize planes 1486 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.920 full of water, you know, huge these those huge cargo 1487 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:46.720 planes full of water before there were fires, just to 1488 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:49.359 start to circulate, just to get ready to put stuff out. 1489 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:52.319 This idea that there was, this idea promoted that it 1490 01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:55.520 was inevitable that the fires that oh, eventually it's just no, 1491 01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.560 like it's absurd, Like, of course you can protect it 1492 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.439 with adequate fire. Oh, the pipes weren't big enough. No, like, 1493 01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:05.479 maintain your reservoirs have water in them. Even the one 1494 01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:08.239 that was like was like not repaired yet, which should 1495 01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.920 have been repaired. They could have kept they could have 1496 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.079 air gapped the pipe so that it didn't contempate the water. 1497 01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:15.520 Supply but left it for firefighting. They didn't do that. 1498 01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.439 They didn't station the engines where they needed station. Nobody 1499 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:22.239 was on you know, it's like they're not taking responsibility, 1500 01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:25.039 Like they weren't taking responsibility for it. So any way 1501 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:27.359 to the point being, get a new governor, you get 1502 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:28.880 a better mayor of l A. You've got a guy 1503 01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:30.800 in San Francisco now who I think has still has 1504 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.920 a lot of potential. I mean this latest video, uh, 1505 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:36.439 you know, showing the chaos there, but you with that 1506 01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:37.600 I think could fix him. 1507 01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:40.920 Though it's his you know, the criticism of him as 1508 01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.000 they walked away too casually, that's a big deal. Yeah. 1509 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.520 So I mean, I think there is a there is 1510 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.079 a way for California to come out. And my view 1511 01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:50.560 is like, look, you've got it's it's on the tech 1512 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.600 billionaires they you know, and I know some of them 1513 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:55.720 have left and obviously they don't need it, but there's 1514 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:59.159 still a lot of billionaire rich guys in California that 1515 01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:02.600 are perfectly cap of financing an alternative effort. 1516 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:02.920 The vote. 1517 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.720 Seventy five percent of San Francisco voters want to arrest 1518 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:11.399 people using fentanyl in public. They want to arrest them. Okay, 1519 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:14.359 that sounds so that's so taboo and progressive. That's seventy 1520 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:16.960 five percent of San Francisco voters. So the voters are 1521 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.239 not they're not the radical left. Some ways, they're radicalized 1522 01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:23.479 and their hatred of Trump and the Trump Arrangement syndrome. 1523 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:27.039 But I mean everyone like Caruso and Mahon and anybody 1524 01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:29.119 else there will all just be able to say they 1525 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:30.199 hate Trump like everybody else. 1526 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.840 Well, I think they've seen the consequences of these policies. 1527 01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:36.439 Oh yeah, there's people are people are really it's not 1528 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:38.880 like anything has changed that significantly. 1529 01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:39.319 They will. 1530 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:41.199 In fact, when I interview people in San Francisco, they're 1531 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:43.439 a little reluctant to admit that's gotten better because I 1532 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:47.239 think they don't want to take any pressure off the politicians. So, 1533 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:51.039 I mean, I do think it's it's rescuable, but it's hard. 1534 01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:52.079 When you say it's gotten better. 1535 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:56.159 Like how so mostly the encampments are being broken up. 1536 01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:57.880 Now you see a little you see more of that 1537 01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:59.319 sort of thing that we just saw on the video 1538 01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:01.600 where there's like I call them, like a little more 1539 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.920 of like a nest, you know, there's just a little 1540 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:08.039 homes encampment It's like, yeah, the whole block that's in Oakland, 1541 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:08.920 that's in. 1542 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:10.520 Skid row, Oakland's nuts. 1543 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:13.800 Oakland is Oakland might not be savable. They had a 1544 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:15.840 chance to save themselves and they ended up voting for 1545 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:17.800 the wrong person from ay Or and it's just as 1546 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.600 bad as ever. So, but I think if you get 1547 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:23.680 San Francisco, LA and a new governor in place, I 1548 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:26.039 think you've got the makings to save it. 1549 01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:27.880 But have you seen this video of this guy does 1550 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.439 the subscription of what's going on in Oakland and then 1551 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.760 drives across the county line into the next place and 1552 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:36.640 it's immediately all done. And you just see what the 1553 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:40.319 difference between two different forms of government and how it works. 1554 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:41.960 I didn't see that one, but I saw the one 1555 01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:44.399 between Venice and Santa Monica. Yeah, I was there when 1556 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:46.119 the Venice and Santa Monica was someone like, You're like, 1557 01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:47.920 why are there tents? Why aren't there any tents there? 1558 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.640 It's like that's Santa Monica. Yeah, it's different. 1559 01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:51.680 Well there's still. 1560 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:53.880 Some Santa Monica got bad too. 1561 01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:56.279 But they cleaned it up a little bit better. Yeah, 1562 01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.359 but Venice is bananas. It's just but Venice is nothing. 1563 01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:01.920 Compared to skid Else, skid Row is fifty blocks. 1564 01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:04.760 Venue is okay, now, Venez is okay. Now, yeah, they 1565 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:07.159 cleaned that up pretty quickly, and then they and then 1566 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:10.239 the voters fired their city council member who represented them, 1567 01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:14.640 who was total crazy radical chesabodeine level radical and replace 1568 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:15.920 them of a more moderate person. 1569 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.159 So, but yeah, it's so like when you go to 1570 01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:19.439 the beach, it's not chaos. 1571 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:23.039 No, I mean, I'm not gonna there's always it's but 1572 01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:25.880 I mean remember before it was just it was tense everywhere. 1573 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:28.279 I mean it was everywhere, and it would dug in, 1574 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:31.079 you know, it was like crazy. So no, that's gone. 1575 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:33.199 But skid Row as bad as ever. 1576 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:38.000 Skid Row is fifty blocks. Fifty blocks is so crazy. 1577 01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.239 Fifty blocks of tents and homeless people. When we first 1578 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:42.640 heard that, I was like, that's got to be wrong. 1579 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:46.600 It's probably five blocks. No, it's five zero fifty blocks. 1580 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:50.960 That's an enormous amount of land that's completely covered by 1581 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:51.760 homos encampus. 1582 01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:54.720 There's like a whole genre of like of like influencers 1583 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.079 when they first visit skid Row, because everyone hears about it, 1584 01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:59.439 and then you see like their their tweets, are just 1585 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:01.560 like there's like all I couldn't believe, Like I think 1586 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:04.840 it's like maybe Ben Shapiro or there's Verius conservative influencers 1587 01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:06.479 who have gone to skid run there, Like I had 1588 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.119 no idea, There was a idea until you see it. 1589 01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:12.600 There was a comic from the Comedy Store that filmed something. 1590 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:17.399 He went like undercover and he had like in this past, 1591 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:20.079 he had some I don't think I think currently he 1592 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:22.960 was sober when he did this, but he decided to 1593 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:25.800 go there and film and stay in one of these 1594 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:27.680 encampments just to show what it was like. And this 1595 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:32.680 is like two thousand six ish six ish somewhere around there, 1596 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:36.279 and it was fucking nuts even back then. And you know, 1597 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.760 we talked about the story of how skid Row with 1598 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:43.079 the whole Jerome Hotel and how it all it started. 1599 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.079 Skid Row was the place where they would take all 1600 01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:48.319 the homeless people and all the people that were problematic, 1601 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.279 and they would move them there and keep them there. 1602 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:52.520 And the idea was that you just keep them out 1603 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:55.720 of Beverly Hills, keep them away from Hollywood. We're doing 1604 01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:58.520 movies and we've got famous people walking around. We can't 1605 01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:02.199 have homeless people atch them up, take them downtown and 1606 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:05.640 contain them. So they had them contained in this area 1607 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:08.319 and they call it skid row, and then it just 1608 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:09.239 kept getting bigger. 1609 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:11.399 It's not that different from the tenderline in the sense 1610 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:13.520 that those are places where those single resident those are 1611 01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.880 the places where the really cheap hotels were. They were 1612 01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:18.119 like often for like working, like working people that were 1613 01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:20.920 in town temporarily, like temporary hotels. Some of them would 1614 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:23.359 just be cages. There were no walls, like you would 1615 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:25.319 just get your own little thatvels. How primitive they were, 1616 01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:27.600 and then it'd just evolved over time and then they 1617 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:31.560 became all of them became subsidized for the homeless. But yeah, 1618 01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.079 it's I don't think I think California. I think it's important. 1619 01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:37.720 I think with Trump and again, like them or hate 1620 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:41.079 them or disagree, whatever, you see the potential of this 1621 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:45.079 country in particular to make a big change, and I 1622 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.960 think that it's ultimately resulted from an unleashing of you know, 1623 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.640 social media made it all possible, allowed for people to 1624 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:54.119 get you know, accurate information for the first time in 1625 01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:56.800 a different paradigm. So I don't want to lose hope 1626 01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:58.119 on the Golden State. 1627 01:15:58.800 --> 01:15:59.960 But you lost hope on Oakland. 1628 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:05.920 Yeah, yeah, but maybe I never had hope for Oakland. 1629 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.079 So at one point in Doma, Oakland was great. Yeah. 1630 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:11.199 I mean Jerry Brown actually brought it up a bit, 1631 01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:14.399 you know, got it more development there. But yeah, it's 1632 01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:15.720 all about governance. 1633 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:16.560 Yeah it is. 1634 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:20.640 I guess Hey, can I use the bathroom? Yeah? 1635 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:25.159 Yeah, sure, sure, we'll possible grab backpoks. I just sent 1636 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:28.560 Jamie something funny that someone just sent me about San Francisco. 1637 01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:33.119 There's this guy I think he calls himself the gay Republican. 1638 01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:34.439 The gay Republican. 1639 01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:39.960 Probably there's a lot of those actually, but we shouldn't 1640 01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:40.600 shock people. 1641 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:43.239 Their closet is about the Republican part. Now that's the thing. 1642 01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:45.239 Well, it depends on how wealthy they are. I mean 1643 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:47.680 some of them are pretty you know. Peter Teel pretty 1644 01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:48.319 open about it. 1645 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:51.119 He will. He was, yeah about as Republicanism. 1646 01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:55.520 Ran Transit, we refuse to release crime surveillance videos because 1647 01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.960 it will make people racist. Releasing videos would create a 1648 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:02.920 racial bias in the writers against minorities on the trains. 1649 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:05.920 Why would it do that San Fran Transit, why would it? 1650 01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:08.399 Why would it create a bias? Is there is there 1651 01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:11.640 a reoccurring theme among the people committing crimes. 1652 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:16.399 You could say that about European crime statistics as well. 1653 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:20.720 That's also why the Germans actually in particular, but I 1654 01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:23.880 think other European countries did not want to release right, but. 1655 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:25.800 They did get him out. They have come out now, 1656 01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:30.960 so in the UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's move 1657 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.560 on to happier subjects. So what do you think about 1658 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:38.319 all this UAP talk. It's one thing that Trump has 1659 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:42.199 said that he's going to release whatever files that they 1660 01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:48.880 might have on UAP's alien terrestrial beings, all this Jess 1661 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:52.239 I talked to Jesse Michaels about it. He is highly 1662 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.520 skeptical and he said the people that are involved. 1663 01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:59.560 Are all old guard and you know, they're just it's 1664 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:01.039 just gonna be a bunch of horseshit. 1665 01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.239 Maybe. I mean, just first of all, look, I mean 1666 01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:07.399 I think, whatever you think about the phenomenon, this is amazing. 1667 01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:09.000 I mean, the president just said he's going to release 1668 01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:11.920 all these things. So, I mean, after decades of saying 1669 01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:14.039 we're not interested in this, we're we're not following this, 1670 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.439 we're shutting down blue book. You know, there's nothing there. 1671 01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:20.640 They're like he's saying so I mean that right there 1672 01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.119 is I think amazing, and I thought the whole thing 1673 01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:25.560 was amazing. Like Obama comes out and he goes, what, 1674 01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.039 there's definitely aliens. Oh, but they're not under are fifty 1675 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.840 one unless they're hiding it from presidents, which is like 1676 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.119 a well established conspiracy theory. So to have Obama even 1677 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:36.199 say that, and then Trump comes up and he goes, 1678 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:40.640 he goes Obama revealed classified information with a little grin 1679 01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:43.199 on his face because he's a little rivalry with Obama, 1680 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:46.000 I might help him out by declassifying. And then a 1681 01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:48.640 few hours later he did, I mean, I what can't 1682 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:49.479 you like about that? 1683 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.960 I mean I think that, well, it's theater, that's what 1684 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:53.560 you can't like it. 1685 01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:54.239 It's theater. 1686 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:56.479 But I mean, we just saw that thing really comes out. 1687 01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.880 This is just another distraction to keep us from thinking 1688 01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:01.479 about all the other things that are going on. 1689 01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:03.399 But you can't be so, I mean, we should get 1690 01:19:03.399 --> 01:19:05.079 into Epstein files too, because I do think I have 1691 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:08.239 a different view of Epstein now. But look, I just 1692 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:10.960 think we've been asking for more transparency like we had 1693 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:13.680 in this very brief period in the mid seventies with 1694 01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.199 the Church Committee hearings, it really took a whole Watergate, 1695 01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.279 It took something big. It's been over fifty years. We 1696 01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:21.840 got a lot of Epstein files. Yes there's some missing, 1697 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:24.439 but we got JFK files, Amelia air hard files, and 1698 01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:26.520 now we're gonna get some UFO files. Is it going 1699 01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:28.399 to be everything? Of course not like there's just no way, 1700 01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:31.279 you know. But I don't think like I think we 1701 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:35.039 should hold book. We should be happy that like there 1702 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:37.600 is an acknowledgment that there's a lot of government files 1703 01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.439 and that there's some commitment to release them, because I 1704 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:43.680 do think like it's easier to get new Epstein files 1705 01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:46.000 released after you have some Ebstein files released than if 1706 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:49.039 you have none. And I feel the same way about UFOs. 1707 01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:54.039 Okay, so it's easier to get more UFO files released, 1708 01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:56.880 but like release like. 1709 01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:58.560 What do we want? So I think one of it 1710 01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.680 is like what do we want? And I've been you know, 1711 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.439 I respect John Greenwald a lot. You run something called 1712 01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:07.920 the Black Vault dot com where he has been foyering. 1713 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.840 He's been issuing you know, Freedom of Information Act requests 1714 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:13.399 on UAP, but also a ton of other issues since 1715 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.119 the mid nineties when he was like fifteen years old. 1716 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:19.119 He became obsessed with doing a Foyer requests and he 1717 01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:22.279 has identified a number of documents that we know exist 1718 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:25.880 with redactions. One of them is the UAP Task Force, 1719 01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:29.680 which has a line that just says potential explanations. You know, 1720 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.319 the first explanation is redacted, is blacked out, The second 1721 01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:34.760 one is, you know some sort of natural phenomenon. Number 1722 01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:37.920 three is blacked out, is redacted, unredact those. I mean, 1723 01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:39.920 come on, guys, you can't tell me what we have 1724 01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.560 to protect our sensor data. Come on, guys, I mean, 1725 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:45.800 like that's not sensor data. Tell us what the potential 1726 01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.880 explanations are are in terms of the sensor data. John 1727 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:50.560 also made a great point. Do you remember when the 1728 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:54.960 Pentagon released the video of the Russian jet dumping fuel 1729 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:58.319 on one of our drones. There's like a famous video 1730 01:20:58.319 --> 01:21:01.439 when they shows a hostile act by the Russians jumping 1731 01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:04.520 fuel on our drone just recently, I mean must have 1732 01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:07.039 been within the last year or so. So like they're 1733 01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:11.279 not we do see they do release you know, warfare, 1734 01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:14.159 various various times they do release things, and you can 1735 01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.439 kind of go, okay, that means that we have I 1736 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:19.399 don't think what I'm saying is the main excuse has 1737 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:23.039 been not to reveal our methods for getting you know, 1738 01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:26.399 if we're just talking about UAP here getting you know, 1739 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.279 photographs and video, we know that a huge amount of 1740 01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:32.520 it exists. They haven't even released the full you know, 1741 01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:35.720 Gimbal and Go Fast videos. There's a whole bunch of 1742 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:36.479 more video. 1743 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:38.680 Left really so just really yeah, so that the video 1744 01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:41.239 that came out that those were whistle blower leaks. 1745 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.720 Right, Eventually they released them formally though the Pentagon did, 1746 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:46.199 so there's much more of that. 1747 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:50.640 So and the particularly started interrupting. But was it the 1748 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:53.840 gimbal or the Go Fast where there was many more crafts? 1749 01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:57.319 I believe that there was. So there's three videos, right, 1750 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:01.560 it's Gimbal Go Fast and then what was the one 1751 01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:03.840 where it moved the tiktak video moves down of the frame. 1752 01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:07.439 My understanding is that there's significantly more video for all 1753 01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:10.000 of those. And then I also minerstands also there's just 1754 01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:13.600 a lot of other videos, particularly from those two incidents, 1755 01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:16.239 certainly have there's so much more sensor data because we 1756 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:19.119 know those incidents had a lot more going on, right 1757 01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:22.359 than just was filmed by those videos. So I think 1758 01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:25.399 that now there is I was gonna say the UAP community, 1759 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.159 there isn't really an organized one, although Jesse's doing an 1760 01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:31.319 amazing job of organizing it. We should be really specific 1761 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:34.000 and say, you know, here's what we want. I did 1762 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:38.199 a piece with John Greenwald. Representative Nancy Mace wrote an 1763 01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:43.000 open letter to the intelligence and military community saying, here's 1764 01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:44.680 a set of documents that we want to release. So 1765 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:46.119 I think the good news is we're like, look, the 1766 01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:49.079 President said he wants this. We've identified a bunch of documents, 1767 01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:52.159 identified a bunch of videos and film. Yeah, I mean, 1768 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:55.319 are they going to withhold stuff? Are they going to mislead? Probably? 1769 01:22:55.399 --> 01:22:57.600 But that's been the story for eighty years. 1770 01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:59.680 Oh yeah, you saw the Age of Disclosure, right, Yes, 1771 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.760 of course. Okay, So I think they make a really 1772 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:06.319 good point in Age of Disclosure that if they did 1773 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:10.880 release things, the real problem is misappropriation of funds lined 1774 01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:15.199 to Congress and the fact that some of these you 1775 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.560 would assume that the way these things are being handled, 1776 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:21.399 if they do have crafts, if they are if there 1777 01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:23.560 is some sort of a back engineering program, that back 1778 01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:28.319 engineering program is going to be held by a military contractor. 1779 01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:32.840 So whatever the contractor is, whether it's you know, Rocket 1780 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:35.960 Dying or whoever has it right, you would imagine that 1781 01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:39.760 the other competing groups would be very pissed off that 1782 01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:42.760 they didn't have access to this thing, and they they 1783 01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:46.680 could sue the misappropriation of funds lying to Congress. People 1784 01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:51.319 could go to jail. Also, most likely fraud. There's got 1785 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:53.439 to be tons of fraud. If there's so much money 1786 01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:57.279 that's being like shuffled away into these black ops projects, 1787 01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:02.119 if there's no oversight, then who knows where the money's 1788 01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:04.680 going right, And so there's a problem there. You open 1789 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:07.760 up the books and people go, well, why was there 1790 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:10.560 one hundred million dollar check written here? Where's the two 1791 01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:12.439 point three billion that's missing here? 1792 01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:15.199 And you know, I'm yeah, I have doubts now. I 1793 01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:16.840 mean I have to say I didn't finish watching him, 1794 01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:18.600 but you know, Jesse just dropped a video with him 1795 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:20.920 and Eric Weinstein and Eric. 1796 01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:24.920 Dasas Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Eric Jesse, Yeah, so Jesse. 1797 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:25.840 Eric, I haven't seen that yet. 1798 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:29.560 Yeah. I found it. Really it really made me question 1799 01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:31.840 whether there's any there there. 1800 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:33.800 What does Eric Davis do? 1801 01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:35.840 Eric Davis, you know who he is. He's got the 1802 01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:39.960 bushy Beard, and he's an age of disclosure and is 1803 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.199 part of the whole you know, Bigelow, you know that 1804 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:47.000 whole asap A tip. He was a I don't know 1805 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:49.880 it was exact, he was a he's a scientist, but 1806 01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:51.760 he was sort of talking about because I think Eric 1807 01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:53.840 Weinstein was asking these really hard questions like okay, well, 1808 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:56.800 like how many people are in this you know, reverse 1809 01:24:56.840 --> 01:24:59.399 engineering program and what is it? And I just found 1810 01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:01.319 his answer to be very thin. 1811 01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:04.079 So I'm I haven't seen it, so I can't comment 1812 01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:08.239 on that, but I know I just both skeptical and 1813 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:09.720 open mind at the same time. 1814 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:14.640 There is a like, yeah, I just I definitely think 1815 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:17.680 there's a lot more than they've revealed. I think my 1816 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:21.399 skepticism on the reverse engineering stuff. I mean, obviously there's 1817 01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:24.000 crashed retrieval because they're just retrieving it could be foreign 1818 01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.399 or they're retrieving something. The reverse engineering, I mean, if 1819 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:30.399 it's advanced tech, nuclear just took so much I mean 1820 01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.439 I'm just familiar with the history of nuclear, just so 1821 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:36.359 much effort to create nuclear energy, and you'd have these 1822 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:40.359 huge there's a huge enterprise thousands of people if they're 1823 01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:42.920 not I mean that's why I kind of go and 1824 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:44.680 I mean a whole other form of propulsion. I mean, 1825 01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:48.479 it's just really it would require so many such a 1826 01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:52.439 big bureaucracy. That's where I'm a little skeptical that that exists, 1827 01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:54.920 because I don't know how you maintain a cover up 1828 01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:57.319 that long. But I could be wrong. I mean, as 1829 01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:01.640 you know, as people have pointed out, they've maintained secrecy 1830 01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:03.319 of a lot of things for a really long time, 1831 01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:04.560 so it's not inconceivable. 1832 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:07.359 But well, especially when you're dealing with government contractors and 1833 01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:11.079 military contractors, they've done. I mean, they have a long 1834 01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:14.680 history of keeping a tight lip when it comes to 1835 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:18.079 all sorts of top secret projects that they're working on. 1836 01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:19.640 I mean, it's weird because like if you look at 1837 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:21.760 the UAP Task Force, which was created by people that 1838 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:24.119 had it, you know, it comes out of they have 1839 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:26.640 AWSAP and then a TIP and then UAP Task Force, 1840 01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:28.960 and then they create ERA, which is much more like 1841 01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:31.960 what Blue Book was, which is their whole point is 1842 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:34.800 to debunk and dismiss I think that's the whole point. 1843 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:37.439 It's just to say, we looked into it and there's 1844 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:40.439 nothing there. So then they and they cherry pick the 1845 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:42.479 cases like they don't actually deal with it, with stuff 1846 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.199 that they can't explain. That's what Earra's point is. But 1847 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:48.039 the UAP Task Force was people that seem genuinely interested 1848 01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:51.159 in it, and they have potential explanations and three separate things. 1849 01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:53.520 So that means that they didn't know themselves. And so 1850 01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:56.119 I would think that if you if there was some 1851 01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:59.439 reverse engineering program, then you would have a better idea 1852 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:01.520 than just three potential explanations. 1853 01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:04.520 But that's assuming they actually got access. 1854 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:05.880 The up task force people. 1855 01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:09.920 Yeah, I mean, because if they open themselves up for 1856 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:13.079 if they do have access, then you open up those 1857 01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:17.880 questions misapprobation of funds lined Congress, military contractors having access 1858 01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:20.840 to these vehicles. I would imagine that's too messy. 1859 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:24.079 They get very mumbly. They get very mumbly at that point. 1860 01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:25.600 I find when you started kind of like well what 1861 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:27.720 is it? And how many people kind of it's a 1862 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:30.239 lot of like you know, I mean, that's how that's 1863 01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:33.520 how that was my interpretation of this. I think that 1864 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:37.439 it's I'm much more with Jacques Valet's view of the phenomenon, 1865 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:40.640 and I think that it that they don't know what 1866 01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:44.680 it is. I think they have a lot more photos 1867 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:48.880 and videos showing demonstrating this incredible phenomenon. But I'm not 1868 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:50.319 sure that they know what it is. And I'm pretty 1869 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:53.920 skeptical that they have a secret reverse engineering program just 1870 01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:55.840 because I don't. I don't see how they how they 1871 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:58.359 would have carried it out for this long because Jesse's 1872 01:27:58.359 --> 01:27:59.760 theory of courses that it would date back to the 1873 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:04.000 set to the fifties. Yeah, and it just there's just 1874 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.840 too many possibilities for too many deathbed confessions from people 1875 01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:08.479 to reveal this knowledge. 1876 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.800 So but don't you think you would keep a really 1877 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:16.439 close watch on anyone who had any access to any 1878 01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:18.920 of these things, and that would be very threatening to them, 1879 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:19.680 like Bob Bazaar. 1880 01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:24.319 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You believe Bob Zaar. 1881 01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:27.520 I do. Yeah, I don't know what he was working on, 1882 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:29.800 whether or not it was ours or something else or what, 1883 01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:32.239 But I don't think he's a liar. He's had the 1884 01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:33.520 same story forever. 1885 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:35.920 Well, then we should go demand the documents. I mean, 1886 01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:39.079 that would be something where we just need to be like, look, 1887 01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:41.640 these are the documents that we want, and it's on 1888 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:43.640 this place these years. 1889 01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:45.800 Well, one of these that Bob said is he thinks 1890 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:47.960 some of the documents that he was shown were horseshit, 1891 01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:50.239 and he thinks it's on purpose. He thinks they're that 1892 01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:55.159 those fake documents, that the fake narratives are a hook 1893 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:58.680 so that if somebody does spill the beans, they know 1894 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.279 exactly who would who was doing it, because they could 1895 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:06.000 point to like maybe if you're involved in you know, 1896 01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:09.560 X program, they give you some bullshit narrative on top 1897 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:12.399 of the real truth. Right, they'll make up some stuff 1898 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:14.960 right that way if you really well the government told 1899 01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.319 me X, and you go, oh, okay, he learned it 1900 01:29:17.319 --> 01:29:19.760 from this. He's a part of this program. Now we've 1901 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:22.560 narrowed it down to two hundred and fifty employees, let's 1902 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:23.800 start scouring these people. 1903 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:26.760 Counter intelligenestions. Yeah, counter intelligence, Yeah, I mean it seems 1904 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:29.159 like that. So you know the MJ twelve document, Yes, 1905 01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:32.600 there's one of them. That is this incredible document. I mean, 1906 01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:34.399 just if it's a forgery, most people, I think think 1907 01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:36.520 it's a forgery or it's a hoax, whatever, it's so 1908 01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:41.159 well done. It's the manual on extraterrestrial crash retrieval with 1909 01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:45.119 different morphologies. You ever seeing this, No, it's amazing. Document 1910 01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:48.279 like I spent when a long rabbit hole. Look, I 1911 01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:51.520 would say, most upologists think it's fake. So it's not 1912 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:53.920 even me. I what's incredible about that they show like 1913 01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:55.840 you know, like the old books and that from the library. 1914 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:57.960 They'd show who checked it out, they had all these names. 1915 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:01.279 Isn't So then you kind of go like, the only 1916 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:03.520 people really, I mean, it seemed like the level of 1917 01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:07.039 sophistication to create this would have been the government, And 1918 01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:08.520 so then you're sort of like, well, why would they 1919 01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:10.239 have done that. One of the answers is it was 1920 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:12.600 just this is called passage material to be able to 1921 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:16.439 detect counterintelligence activities. I'll tell you another one that I 1922 01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:18.640 can't quite figure out. I mean, there's a lot of 1923 01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:22.680 effort to and why that narrative. Another thing I was 1924 01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:25.439 people say is will go, well, they're using the UAP 1925 01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:29.239 stuff as cover for secret weapons programs, And You're like, well, 1926 01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:31.520 why would that work as cover? And they go, well, 1927 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.800 because then then it's a way to distract attention. I 1928 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:39.039 was like, why would that distract attention? Wouldn't that attract attention? 1929 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:41.279 You go, don't if you as opposed to like within 1930 01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:43.159 the military, like, look, we don't this is this is 1931 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:45.800 secret research, you know, that's really important national security. We 1932 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:47.920 don't pay attention. Instead, they're like, oh no, this is 1933 01:30:48.039 --> 01:30:51.159 UFO crash retrieval, so don't pay attention to it. That 1934 01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:55.840 seems like you're a recipe for creating more interest in UFOs. 1935 01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:57.920 So there's a lot of things that the government has 1936 01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:00.520 done where you're like, it's almost like assuming that is 1937 01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:03.039 by the way that we know that, Like we know 1938 01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:05.880 that the government, the US Air Force, did you know 1939 01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:08.079 in the early eighties make this guy Paul Benowitz go 1940 01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.680 crazy who was seeing things over Kurtland Air Base and 1941 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:11.880 then this guy Richard Dodie. 1942 01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:14.159 You know how they make them crazy. 1943 01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:16.520 They would be feeding him all this information convincing them 1944 01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:19.640 of an alien attack, and he basically ended up going 1945 01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:22.239 crazy from it. It's this amazing story told by this 1946 01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:26.319 by this book Mirage Men also documentary, and you look 1947 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:27.520 at you kind of go and they go, well, it 1948 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:30.439 was to cover up a secret weapons program at Kurland Airbase. 1949 01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:33.199 And it's like it's like I'm not I'm not even 1950 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:36.359 disbelieving it, but it's like that's just such a like 1951 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:39.600 why would that be the best way to do that? 1952 01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:41.600 And why would you be so sure that that wouldn't 1953 01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.800 attract interest from people rather than distracted. So there's a 1954 01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:47.279 bunch of things that don't make sense. And so even 1955 01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:50.800 if it is all, you know, which is the skeptic view, 1956 01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:53.800 you know, is that it's some combination of government disinformation, 1957 01:31:54.039 --> 01:31:59.920 sci fi you know, dreams, hypnosis, hypnogogic states, and then 1958 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.439 and then kind of the power of belief. 1959 01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:03.239 You know. 1960 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.640 I just reviewed this new book on Barney and Betty Hill, 1961 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:08.479 where the author thinks that it was that that really 1962 01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:12.319 was a combination of her it was the stress of 1963 01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:16.000 being an interracial couple, her nightmares, and then hypnosis where 1964 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:20.520 they then canfabulate this whole story. That's the basic skeptic 1965 01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:23.439 view is that it was sort of but the government's 1966 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:26.279 involved in it. And that's always strange because you're like 1967 01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:30.000 the government and Barney Hills, no, no in the in 1968 01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:33.600 the UFO, in creating in the uf assuming that they 1969 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:35.760 did the m J twelve or somebody the m J twelve, 1970 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:37.199 but certainly in the case of. 1971 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:40.840 Why would they have any organizations, why would they have 1972 01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:42.479 anything right, why would they have. 1973 01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:44.319 Why would you be why would you be doing thing 1974 01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:46.199 like the thing with like the Paul Dodi and the 1975 01:32:46.239 --> 01:32:48.960 Paul Benowitz or the Richard Doty and Paul Benowitz, is like, 1976 01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.399 why why was that the best I mean, it's just 1977 01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:55.159 why was that the best way? Like somebody observes strange 1978 01:32:55.159 --> 01:32:57.880 activity of over Kurkland Air Base and they discover this, 1979 01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:02.359 why was that the right approach? I don't follow it. 1980 01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:05.560 And you had aj gentile who did the stuff on 1981 01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:09.520 crop circles. We saw they saw military disinformation around those 1982 01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:12.279 activities in Britain. So you see a lot of. 1983 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:16.279 Crop circle things weird, really weird, because you want to 1984 01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:18.800 just write it off. I mean I wanted to write 1985 01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:20.680 it off. I'm like, oh, this guy's with boards, they're 1986 01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:23.359 making designs. But then you see some of the designs 1987 01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:27.079 and how the wheat is actually woven, and how they 1988 01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:31.359 have these exploded nodes almost like they're microwaved, and they've 1989 01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:33.960 examined these things and it seems like there's some energy 1990 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:38.039 that's created these things. And also the sheer size and 1991 01:33:38.199 --> 01:33:42.800 scale of some of these things with no footprints leading 1992 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:46.920 into them or out of them, and just the geometric 1993 01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:50.319 precision of some of them that it's really weird. Like 1994 01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:53.439 there's of course it's eyewitness accounts. It's hard to know 1995 01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:56.399 if they're being accurate. But people who've flown over areas 1996 01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:59.680 where there's nothing there flown back two hours later and 1997 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:04.399 there's these football field size Mandel brought sets. 1998 01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:07.600 There's the Julia set over next to Stonehenge was the 1999 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:09.960 one that the guy flew over and there was nothing there, 2000 01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:12.159 and a couple of hours later there was the Julia set, 2001 01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:13.239 which is a spectacular. 2002 01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:18.000 Yeah, it's incractle right, I'll tell you it's creditor precision. 2003 01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:20.359 That's what's really as much precision as you can get 2004 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:22.920 by folding over wheat. But when you look at it 2005 01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:25.159 like from above and it you know, you don't get 2006 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:31.399 to the micro You're looking at these things that like 2007 01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:35.680 they really do scale in a fractal way. It's very 2008 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:39.520 fucking strange and difficult to reproduce. You would imagine something 2009 01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:41.720 like that would take a long fucking time to plot 2010 01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:44.319 out and plan. You would take multiple people, You'd have 2011 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:47.479 to measure and remeasure, you'd have to have some some 2012 01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:51.039 sort of tools and instruments, not just to fold over 2013 01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:54.159 the wheat, but if you're gonna interweave the wheat, Like 2014 01:34:54.199 --> 01:34:56.760 what is your method of doing that, and how are 2015 01:34:56.800 --> 01:35:00.359 you doing it where you know this one is one 2016 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:04.479 dimension and then the next one is precisely three fifths 2017 01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:08.079 of that dimension, next one is slightly and they're fractal. 2018 01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:10.319 Well, it gets really even weirder than that. So you know, 2019 01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:13.520 I just described this case of this Air Force kind 2020 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:15.680 of intelligence guy driving this guy Paul Bennott's crazy at 2021 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:20.760 career effort. That book is written by Mark Pilkington. Mark 2022 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:24.119 Pilkington is one of two guys that claim to have 2023 01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:26.279 created all the crop circles. The other guy's a guy 2024 01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:31.720 named John Lunberg. AJ, in his video about the crop 2025 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:36.000 circles accuses John Lundberg again the circle they called the 2026 01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.439 Circle Makers. They have a website they KEP updated. He 2027 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:42.319 accuses him of being a British intelligence agent. AJ does, 2028 01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:46.159 or at least he strongly implies it. And part of 2029 01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:47.840 that is because there was a bunch of weird stuff 2030 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:50.479 on the website about m I five and the CIA. 2031 01:35:51.119 --> 01:35:53.119 And then Lundberg went to a school. This is all 2032 01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:55.000 very circumstantial, so I'm not defending. I'm just saying what 2033 01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:57.800 AJ said. Then Lundberg went to a school that shares 2034 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.840 a courtyard with with m I with an I five 2035 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:03.960 campus or in my five training area. I asked Mark, 2036 01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:05.760 I have like a three I have like three hours 2037 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:08.920 of interviews with Mark, who I'm really interested, really interesting person. 2038 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:11.760 I asked him directly if they had any connection to 2039 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:13.560 military intelligence. He said, absolutely not. 2040 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:16.880 It's hard to which is what you would say. 2041 01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:18.600 Well, of course you're allowed to say it if you are, 2042 01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:21.439 but I'm not making any accusations. But yeah, I mean, 2043 01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:24.600 he claimed that they made all of them, and you know, 2044 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:26.600 there's some of them. Have you ever seen the massive 2045 01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:28.560 there's one that was absolutely massive. 2046 01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:30.439 Yeah, pull some of them up, Jamie so we can 2047 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:31.079 get there's. 2048 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:33.560 The Julius said that there's another. There's another one us 2049 01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:35.800 so big it's really hard to see. But he said 2050 01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:37.960 that he wasn't at that one. Yeah, that's like famous, 2051 01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:39.600 that's the Julius SAIDs of gorgeous. Well the big one 2052 01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:40.560 right there is in the middle, that one. 2053 01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:45.199 Yes, just I mean, these are enormous. Yeah, go full 2054 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:50.680 screen on that. It's they're so big, and I mean 2055 01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:55.520 the amount of precision involved in them is kind of spectacular. 2056 01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:59.680 Now, Mark denies that they have exploded nodes, and he 2057 01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:03.199 did that they're interwoven. Aj says that they are definitely 2058 01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:05.479 interwoven and have exploded nodes, And there was even an 2059 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:09.119 article in Science magazine, which you know, argues that they 2060 01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:11.479 were made by humans, but that they they point out 2061 01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:15.359 the exploded nodes, So yeah, maybe that's it. 2062 01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:18.560 What's weird too, is there's like, how did you do this? 2063 01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:23.840 What's the where's the evidence of people trampling through this 2064 01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:29.439 with equipment? No, it's all missing, Like it's strange. And 2065 01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:31.800 then also no one's caught doing them. 2066 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:33.840 How about the here's the other one? I asked Mark 2067 01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:35.640 about this and he didn't know about it, But do 2068 01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:36.560 you know the Pie one? 2069 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:37.239 Yeah? 2070 01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:40.359 That was apparently I'm pretty sure it's the first time 2071 01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:43.640 that it was a visual explanation of pie. That's my 2072 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:46.359 understanding of it. Now, maybe maybe there's someone I haven't 2073 01:37:46.359 --> 01:37:48.720 seen anything earlier than that, but that's like, on its own, 2074 01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:51.000 is really amazing that that was the first time that 2075 01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:56.359 they had created a visual representation of pie. Yeah, and 2076 01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:59.000 complete with like the yeah, that's it. It's like there's 2077 01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:02.319 a there's another image that will show how it is pie, 2078 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:06.199 probably that one right there. Yeah, And so that's a 2079 01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:09.560 extremely sophisticated. 2080 01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:15.960 Extremely I mean imagine the type of intelligence that you'd 2081 01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:19.840 have to possess to pull this off and then not 2082 01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:22.520 let anybody know that you did it. And it's just 2083 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:25.760 for funsies, just for funsies in a field. 2084 01:38:26.119 --> 01:38:29.479 Yeah, it's And then you know, these MIT researchers went out, 2085 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:31.000 that's also part of it, and they tried to do 2086 01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:33.880 it and it just wasn't it wasn't nearly as good. 2087 01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:40.560 Yeah, Okay, it is very fucking weird. Yeah, it's very weird. 2088 01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:44.159 And but the whole UFO thing is very weird. It. 2089 01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:49.000 You know, the Jacques Vallet books are very interesting, and 2090 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:52.359 I've read three of his books so far, and I've 2091 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:54.319 had him on a couple of times, and the last 2092 01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:56.520 time I had him on, I really went on a 2093 01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:58.399 deep dive and I read two of his books right 2094 01:38:58.439 --> 01:39:01.479 before he came on. And one of the more interesting 2095 01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:04.960 things is the really old stories, like the stories from 2096 01:39:05.039 --> 01:39:08.560 the seventeen hundreds, the eighteen hundreds, where they lack the 2097 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.960 context of spaceships, the idea behind it, like none of 2098 01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:18.079 that stuff exists. But yet you get almost at least 2099 01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:21.239 you could say, oh, I could understand how they would 2100 01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:23.520 be describing it this way, But it's kind of the 2101 01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:27.359 same thing that other people have been describing the Zimbabwe 2102 01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:30.199 story a lot of these other stories. It's kind of 2103 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:33.039 the same story over and over and over again, which 2104 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:36.399 makes you go, Okay, well, what does it have to 2105 01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:39.680 be from outer space? Or is it possible that there 2106 01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:45.840 is something here that is like far older than us 2107 01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:50.199 that has somehow or another removed itself from our view 2108 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:51.079 or is. 2109 01:39:51.079 --> 01:39:54.880 It social contagion and people? I mean, I've always stuck 2110 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:56.920 by it's always like the aliens always are like, all 2111 01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.000 protect your environment and avoid nuclear war. It's like, oh, thanks, 2112 01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:01.960 Like we didn't know we needed to do those until 2113 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:04.039 you guys showed up, and it makes more sense. Is like 2114 01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:07.239 you could see it as a I mean, I got 2115 01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:08.840 very into I haven't an interviewed her yet, but I'm 2116 01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:12.039 about to. There's as an anthropologist at Stanford named Tanya Lherman, 2117 01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:15.359 and she's done this incredible work on religions where she 2118 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:19.279 like anthropol like good anthropologists and also this guy Bowman, 2119 01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:23.640 like they they're agnostic on whether or not like those 2120 01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:26.399 beings are real, Like they're just like we're really interested 2121 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:29.000 in like the culture and the psychology and the experience 2122 01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:32.439 of it. But she had this she she was like, 2123 01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:35.439 did her field work with magicians and witches in England? 2124 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:37.479 You know, like you know, like modern witches and not 2125 01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:41.520 magicians like magic tricks, but like the old who's the 2126 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:47.479 famous magician like Gandalf? No, no, the British one Merlin, right, 2127 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:50.760 but like the old style right like. But they were 2128 01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:53.079 like so she didn't really believe in it, but she would. 2129 01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:55.239 They were like, you have to practice witchcraft in order 2130 01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:59.079 to do this, And she had like multiple anomalous experiences, 2131 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:00.560 one of them that she woke up and there was 2132 01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:04.239 five druids in her room beckoning to her. And people 2133 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:05.640 are like, is it a dream? And she's like, no, 2134 01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:08.039 it's not a dream. She had in their instance where 2135 01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:10.800 they were trying to like conjure energies to like turn 2136 01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:13.720 off to like shut down her watch, and she felt 2137 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.920 a huge energy surg through and shut off her watch. 2138 01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:20.439 And her point is that she thinks that the practice 2139 01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.479 we put too much focus on the beliefs. But she says, 2140 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.119 like the practices themselves. I don't know if she would 2141 01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:28.880 say conjure. I also interviewed Dinna Pasilk on it. They 2142 01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:33.000 would say more like reveal these different realities. So they're 2143 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.920 much more. It's a very interesting set of work because 2144 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:39.119 they're not they're not trying to answer the question of 2145 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:41.479 whether the druids were really in her room or not. 2146 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:45.399 I mean, the watch thing, you know, apparently definitely happened, but. 2147 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.960 Apparently definitely is a weird way. 2148 01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:51.159 Apparently to her. 2149 01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:53.760 I know, but you know what I'm saying, it's like 2150 01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:58.760 show me man. The conjuring thing is strange because that's 2151 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.920 a reoccurring theme. You go outside and you have like 2152 01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:07.079 these experiences where you say, I'm not afraid comes show 2153 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:11.079 show yourself to me, and given enough time, with enough intention, 2154 01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:14.079 apparently things will appear in the sky. 2155 01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:17.359 My favorite one is the black guy talking about yahweh 2156 01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:20.760 who where the local ABC newscaster goes out and it's 2157 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:22.479 gonna be one of those hah ha. This guy thinks 2158 01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:24.199 that he can conjure UFOs and they go out with 2159 01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:26.960 him and he conjures an ORB. Do you ever see 2160 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:29.560 that one? No, that's like an incredible That's like one 2161 01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:32.800 of my favorite of those videos. And the newscasters like, uh, 2162 01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:34.640 he called literally they see him calling his I think 2163 01:42:34.680 --> 01:42:37.720 it's like an NBC affiliate or an ABC affiliate somewhere 2164 01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:41.279 Jamie can probably find it, but if it's uh, he 2165 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:43.880 literally calls his boss the newscasters. Like all the story 2166 01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:46.279 has turned out a little differently than I thought. It's 2167 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:48.560 like one of my favorites. I'm sure you could say, oh, 2168 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:50.560 it's a balloon or whatever, but like comes in and out. 2169 01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:52.640 I mean, it's really and it comes right as he's 2170 01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:53.920 calling it. 2171 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:57.399 That's the weird things. I've talked to multiple people that 2172 01:42:57.479 --> 01:43:00.840 have actually done this. Oh people, it's gone say a 2173 01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:04.840 lot with these you know, air quotes experts, and they 2174 01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:09.439 go out to some deserted area and you call these things. 2175 01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:12.439 There's a second guy, white guy that also does it, 2176 01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:14.720 and Reuters did a whole story on him because apparently 2177 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:16.760 there's a whole bunch of people around that they saw it. 2178 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:21.319 And of course Jake Barber, who's this formers you know, contractor, 2179 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:25.760 helicopter pilot contractor for Special Forces, announced that he was 2180 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:29.800 going to go and conjure UFOs and bring one down. 2181 01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:32.079 They're just sitting right up there. 2182 01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:35.680 We met up with Prophet Yahweh seer of Yahweh Do 2183 01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:38.279 a little park off Lake Mead. We picked the day, 2184 01:43:38.600 --> 01:43:41.960 we picked the time, and we picked the location everyone's 2185 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:43.479 gonna think you're absolutely nuts. 2186 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:45.680 Well I thought I was absolutely. 2187 01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:49.359 Nuts until he says he saw UFOs over the years, 2188 01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:51.039 fifteen hundred of them. 2189 01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:53.319 Before we make it one five hundred and one today. 2190 01:43:53.359 --> 01:43:55.439 What do you think I'll try it? He says. 2191 01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:57.000 The voice in his head. 2192 01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:59.119 Told him to go public now, So we took him 2193 01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:01.720 up on his offer. Then we scanned the skies, nothing 2194 01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:04.600 but a few clouds. When the prophet started praying for 2195 01:44:04.640 --> 01:44:06.560 a sighting. I wasn't exactly convinced. 2196 01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:09.239 I pray, oh yah, Wade, that you sent a sighting, 2197 01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:12.560 so that they didn't know that I am not mentally ill. 2198 01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:15.800 I am not a false prophet like those who seek 2199 01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:19.239 to kill me say I am. 2200 01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:21.279 Oh oh brother, Look at it. There it is. 2201 01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:25.640 You can barely see it, a white speck. Then another sighting. 2202 01:44:25.960 --> 01:44:26.359 There it is. 2203 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:27.640 I got it. I got it, I got it, I 2204 01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:28.039 got it. 2205 01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:31.359 Photo journalist Jonathan Hawkins locks in on it. Let's take 2206 01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:32.079 a closer look. 2207 01:44:32.119 --> 01:44:32.319 Here. 2208 01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:35.159 It's an orange sphere that appeared out of nowhere. 2209 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:36.439 I call the boss. 2210 01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:40.039 With an unexpected change in my story, I could see 2211 01:44:40.039 --> 01:44:42.359 it as clear as day. In fact, it's bright, I 2212 01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:44.800 can't it's it's moving pretty fast. 2213 01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:47.039 It's gone to Nello Us base. 2214 01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:48.600 It wants to be seen. 2215 01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:50.960 We called Nelly's to see what these things might be. 2216 01:44:51.600 --> 01:44:52.000 Guess what. 2217 01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:54.560 They didn't call us back, But this thing started coming 2218 01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:58.279 back toward us, coming toward us. Now, I think, what 2219 01:44:58.640 --> 01:44:59.880 see it's coming up toward us. 2220 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:05.680 Whoa man? Oh yah. 2221 01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:08.920 A few seconds later it disappeared. 2222 01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:10.439 Is going back up in space. 2223 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:14.359 Prophet Yahweh isn't concerned. He says it'll be back. 2224 01:45:16.199 --> 01:45:18.279 I would take this more seriously if that guy didn't 2225 01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:19.399 have your reporter voice. 2226 01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:23.479 It's amazing. As far the charm of it. I think 2227 01:45:23.479 --> 01:45:26.560 it's I love it because I don't. I don't think 2228 01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:28.840 you can. I don't think it's gonna convince any skeptics. 2229 01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:30.680 But it's like one of the few things in our 2230 01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:33.600 in our world where it inspires a set of like 2231 01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:36.560 wonder and a set of awe. And you know, for 2232 01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:40.199 those of us that struggle with our face, it's inspiring 2233 01:45:40.279 --> 01:45:42.239 because it is sort of a spiritual like I mean, 2234 01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:44.840 he calls himself yahwah, right, so there's like he didn't 2235 01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.680 It wasn't about like gray aliens or whatever. It's just 2236 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:50.159 something else. And that's what I mean about like, why more. 2237 01:45:50.399 --> 01:45:54.840 Valet his work explains all of this much better and 2238 01:45:55.720 --> 01:45:58.359 than the sort of the extraterrestrial hypothesis did, and he's 2239 01:45:58.359 --> 01:45:59.359 had that since sixty eight. 2240 01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:01.920 Well, I think what he does best is not explain it. 2241 01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:03.520 Yeah he doesn't. 2242 01:46:03.720 --> 01:46:06.319 Yeah, there really isn't an explanation. But here's what we know. 2243 01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:09.720 He calls it a control system though, Yeah, which is 2244 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:11.920 sort of like I asked Diana, I was like, is 2245 01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:15.039 that How is that different from God? Because he's sort 2246 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:17.000 of a control system. That is his view is that 2247 01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:20.359 there's a control system that's evolving human consciousness and it 2248 01:46:20.399 --> 01:46:25.359 will manifest different things or in relationship with the humans 2249 01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:27.760 over time. And so he looks at the you know, 2250 01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:32.359 the apparition that Maria or Saint Mary apparitions in Spain, 2251 01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:35.600 and the airships of the late nineteenth century where people 2252 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:38.279 saw these things that looked like the Zeppelins even though 2253 01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:41.039 they hadn't been invented yet. All of these things, he 2254 01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:44.760 says his views, they're sort of being sort of produced 2255 01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:48.720 in some relationship as well with our culture. That's Valet's argument, 2256 01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:50.560 and that sounds a lot like God in some ways. 2257 01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:52.520 When you say control system, right. 2258 01:46:52.399 --> 01:46:55.640 What does that mean? Like, is it a higher life 2259 01:46:55.640 --> 01:47:01.920 form that is monitoring us? Like that? That's the version 2260 01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:03.520 of religion for a lot of these people that are 2261 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:06.880 really interested in aliens, like that there's some advance being 2262 01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:09.319 that's making sure we don't fuck everything up completely. 2263 01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:13.479 Certainly for me that's my interest. I mean, I like, again, 2264 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:17.000 this anthropologist Lherman, you know, she says, you know, William 2265 01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:20.159 James is this famous Harvard psychologist wrote a book about 2266 01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:22.560 the varieties of the religious experience in nineteen oh two, 2267 01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:25.039 and he says everybody wants to kind of be like 2268 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:27.680 is it real or not real? Is like this world 2269 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:29.439 just what we see? And he says, I think there's 2270 01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:33.960 something more. There's not so this this very you know, 2271 01:47:34.079 --> 01:47:36.199 skeptic or debunker thing, which is like, oh no, it's 2272 01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:37.840 just got to be a that thing's got to be 2273 01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:39.680 a bird or it's a It's like, well but it 2274 01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:42.399 really you haven't just calling it that. And as they 2275 01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:44.199 point out, it's like they showed up when they wanted to. 2276 01:47:44.239 --> 01:47:46.560 I mean, it's a pretty amazing If it's just a coincidence, 2277 01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:49.680 it's a really amazing one. And so I think for me, 2278 01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:52.760 it's like, because I am a Christian and it is 2279 01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:56.000 hard to believe in an all powerful and all good 2280 01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:58.840 God because he obviously allowed the Holocaust to occur and 2281 01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:02.439 allows terrible things to act her. But I love that 2282 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:04.319 that segment, and there's I love. There's another one I 2283 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:06.079 love right now. It's like a British woman in the 2284 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:08.399 fifties doing an interview about seeing what she calls a 2285 01:48:08.479 --> 01:48:12.520 Mexican hat ufo over her house and the kids saw it, 2286 01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:15.199 and she and everybody in the village made fun of 2287 01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:16.680 her and they really killed her. And she's like, but 2288 01:48:16.720 --> 01:48:18.520 it's you know, but it's I saw it and it 2289 01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:21.079 was real and it was like it's like those are 2290 01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:25.680 like our those are spiritual experiences. I think. So I 2291 01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:28.319 don't know that. Like I want the files released from 2292 01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.000 the government. I'm also skeptical that it's going to tell 2293 01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:33.800 us what it is because I think at some level 2294 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:36.199 we're not supposed to get more much more information about 2295 01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:38.840 what it is. I think it's where something else is 2296 01:48:38.880 --> 01:48:42.279 going on, or maybe it's having a positive effect. I 2297 01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:45.079 think it's I think one of the somebody's people get 2298 01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:48.119 really mad at UFO believers, like skeptics get really like angry, 2299 01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:50.479 like how do they There's just you know whatever, they 2300 01:48:50.479 --> 01:48:52.359 gets so mad and I'm always like, but like, how 2301 01:48:52.399 --> 01:48:55.239 often do you see them causing real harm or problems? 2302 01:48:55.279 --> 01:48:57.119 I mean we had one cult where they you know, 2303 01:48:57.119 --> 01:48:59.239 like a few people killed themselves, but for the most 2304 01:48:59.279 --> 01:49:02.520 part the balls off first. Yeah great, so you know 2305 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:04.960 UFO Like, for the most part, UFO people are INNTERI 2306 01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:10.079 in UFOs are dreamy, seekers, spiritual, and I think it's 2307 01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:13.520 I think it's wrong to I think it's lovely and 2308 01:49:13.800 --> 01:49:16.680 wonderful and it reminds us of you know, that we're small. 2309 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:18.800 On the one hand, we're humble about our knowledge, and 2310 01:49:18.840 --> 01:49:22.279 there's just surrounded by mystery. I mean, you're so much 2311 01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:25.039 of your career and this this platform has been to 2312 01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:27.840 allow us to talk about things that are unexplained and 2313 01:49:27.880 --> 01:49:31.199 that or where the explanations don't really seem to explain it. 2314 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:34.880 There's something more, as as William James wou say, there's 2315 01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:38.039 something more. And I think that the denial of anything more, 2316 01:49:38.199 --> 01:49:40.079 this idea that oh we know everything and we know 2317 01:49:40.119 --> 01:49:42.520 where we won't know anything. It's just crazy. 2318 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:46.319 But that those people are silly. They're more silly than 2319 01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:51.279 the believers because this this idea that like, look if 2320 01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:54.079 there is a if you have a completely novel experience, 2321 01:49:54.319 --> 01:49:56.720 like say, if you are Commander David Fraber and you 2322 01:49:56.880 --> 01:50:01.279 encountered this tic tac shaped object that's over something that 2323 01:50:01.319 --> 01:50:04.000 appears to be a ship that's under the water. This 2324 01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:08.600 thing takes off at a absolutely preposterous speed that is 2325 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:13.960 documented both in radar and visually and on camera. Right, 2326 01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:17.039 so they've got video of this thing moving. They say 2327 01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:19.840 that it went from above fifty thousand feet above sea 2328 01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:23.199 level to sea level in less than a second, which 2329 01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:28.600 would require more energy than the entire United States produces 2330 01:50:28.640 --> 01:50:31.079 in a year in order to get an object to 2331 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:35.319 move that quickly, and it does that with no heat signature. Okay, 2332 01:50:35.319 --> 01:50:38.439 if this is all true, just that alone. Now imagine 2333 01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:43.680 you have this completely novel experience. And because I haven't 2334 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:45.439 had it, and you haven't had it, and Jamie hasn't 2335 01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:49.319 had it, well it's very simple and easy to dismiss it. 2336 01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:54.760 But if this happened, what do you expect the person 2337 01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:59.319 to do? What do you expect a decorated pilot in 2338 01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:03.399 the Navy, a guy who has a rock solid record, 2339 01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:07.520 who is there's nothing about him that screams that he's 2340 01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:10.159 a kook, where he's mentally ill, and when you talk 2341 01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:14.560 to him, he's incredibly meticulous, very intelligent, very disciplined. 2342 01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:20.800 Well, his face it looks like he had a spiritual experience. 2343 01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:22.640 He's a smile on his face. I went to the 2344 01:51:22.760 --> 01:51:24.399 when I was in Deli, I went to the Jaine 2345 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:26.920 temple and I went to the Hindu temple. And I'm 2346 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:29.800 not Jane, I'm not Hindu, but I had a look 2347 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:32.399 on my face that reminds me that sort of that's 2348 01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:35.199 sort of that sort of like that starry eye, the 2349 01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:38.680 look in your face where you've experienced the wonder and 2350 01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:41.520 the awe of being alive and we're on this planet 2351 01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:43.439 and we don't really understand it all, but it's beautiful 2352 01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:47.199 and it's okay. And I think that that's the spiritual 2353 01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:49.560 I mean, that's where it's like he's been touched by 2354 01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:51.720 I don't you know. I'm not imposing this, but he's 2355 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:53.560 sort of touched by God in some way, but touched 2356 01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:56.239 by something and it's not something extraordinary. 2357 01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:56.760 Yeah. 2358 01:51:56.800 --> 01:51:58.399 And the thing, look, I think the other thing you 2359 01:51:58.439 --> 01:52:02.239 read that environment, you're like that thing dominance in that environment. 2360 01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:07.840 So on the one hand, it's call it technological spiritual dominance, 2361 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:12.000 you know, so, but that's for me. What's what's special 2362 01:52:12.039 --> 01:52:14.520 about it? And I think it's not gonna go away, 2363 01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:16.840 And I don't think we're going to get to the answer. 2364 01:52:16.920 --> 01:52:17.279 I don't think. 2365 01:52:17.319 --> 01:52:20.039 I don't think the government. How could the government, you know, 2366 01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:22.359 I don't think they know. And I don't even if 2367 01:52:22.399 --> 01:52:24.199 they even if there was some contact, I don't know 2368 01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:26.840 if that would really tell you all the answers. 2369 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:31.640 Well, what I could imagine is that they have acquired 2370 01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:38.199 both eyewitness, video, radar, all all the various sensors data, 2371 01:52:39.359 --> 01:52:43.560 and they have done this with multiple instances of these things, 2372 01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:48.079 and they are trying to assess what this is, and 2373 01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:52.039 they have a long standing study of these things that 2374 01:52:53.439 --> 01:52:57.680 would both be disturbing and confusing to a lot of 2375 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:01.239 people and disruptive to society. I'm sure you're well aware 2376 01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:03.279 of how put Off and what happened with him during 2377 01:53:03.279 --> 01:53:06.279 the Bush administration where they brought him in and they 2378 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:09.279 essentially told how put off. Now this is assuming How's 2379 01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:11.199 telling the truth, and I have no reason to think 2380 01:53:11.239 --> 01:53:13.880 he's lying. They brought him in and a bunch of 2381 01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:17.439 other scientists and a bunch of other thinkers and said 2382 01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:21.880 I want you to create a chart. On one side, 2383 01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:26.239 list the positive aspects of disclosure, and the other side, 2384 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:32.640 what are the negative ratifications of disclosure? Government, religion, the finances, 2385 01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:34.760 all the different things that could happen in the world, 2386 01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:38.760 and the negatives outweighed the positives, and they decided not 2387 01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:42.079 to disclose. But the premise that he was brought in 2388 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:46.319 with this was saying, we have acquired physical crafts that 2389 01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:49.600 are not of this world, we have biological entities that 2390 01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:52.399 are not of this world, and we are part of 2391 01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:55.159 some sort of a back engineering program. We want to 2392 01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:59.119 release this information. What would happen if we did? And 2393 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:01.840 their conclude usion was chaos. 2394 01:54:02.319 --> 01:54:04.760 Trump Trump didn't seem to go through that checklist and 2395 01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:05.640 come with the same answer. 2396 01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:07.479 I don't think he got that memo. 2397 01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:10.359 But also I do think it isn't I think I 2398 01:54:10.399 --> 01:54:12.479 think he ignores the memos from experts in general. 2399 01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:14.399 Right, if he was in office and that was the 2400 01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:16.840 case and they came to him, and you know, and 2401 01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:19.760 someone like Tucker or someone that's influential to him could 2402 01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:21.439 sit down with him and talk to him and he 2403 01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:23.600 thought it would gain their favor, he might just release it. 2404 01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:24.920 I mean, it's a wild because on the one hand, 2405 01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:26.920 it looked like it was spontaneous, but I think they 2406 01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:29.479 had you know, Laura Trump, who's like someone that's like 2407 01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:32.079 a trusted family member who's like really competent. Like they 2408 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:34.239 sent her in to like take over the RNC and 2409 01:54:34.239 --> 01:54:36.119 fix it and fire all the people and get their 2410 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:38.720 get their loyalists in there. She was out there talking 2411 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:41.039 saying that, you know, oh Trump is. I was hearing 2412 01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:43.159 a lot of noise, but it wasn't from people that 2413 01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:45.039 I trusted, so I didn't report anything on it. But 2414 01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:46.920 I was hearing a lot of noise too that Trump 2415 01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:49.039 administration was considering doing something, but you didn't know. I 2416 01:54:49.039 --> 01:54:51.199 didn't if it was circular reporting. But I thought the 2417 01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:54.159 Laura Trump thing was interesting because I don't think I 2418 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:56.640 don't see her as sort of a She's not just 2419 01:54:56.680 --> 01:54:59.800 speculating or bullshitting, you know, she's a trusted you know. 2420 01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:00.279 I. 2421 01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:04.439 Trusted source for that. So she said that, and then 2422 01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:06.800 Obama was asked about and then Trump made that announcement. 2423 01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:08.560 So I don't know what they have planned. You know, 2424 01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:11.479 we were pushing on the intelligence community privately to release 2425 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:12.840 the stuff and it was going nowhere. 2426 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:14.920 The Obama thing was nuts because the guy didn't have 2427 01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:16.159 any follow up questions. 2428 01:55:16.439 --> 01:55:18.680 That was that was part of what was really weird about. Also, 2429 01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:22.520 they put it in a speed round, like why would 2430 01:55:22.560 --> 01:55:23.680 you put it in his speed round? 2431 01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:25.880 Which is probably why he didn't have follow up questions 2432 01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:27.600 if you think about it that way. But I mean, 2433 01:55:27.920 --> 01:55:30.520 that's just a massive dropping of the ball. Well, the 2434 01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:33.079 guy says, aliens are real? How do you know? How 2435 01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:35.199 do you know? Is the next question right, it's right there. 2436 01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:36.239 How do you know aliens are real? 2437 01:55:36.319 --> 01:55:38.239 Well, yesterday the day after then he said, oh, I 2438 01:55:38.279 --> 01:55:40.359 just meant theoretically, and there's life in the universe. 2439 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:43.720 Well, why don't you ask that so you catch them 2440 01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:45.520 on the spot instead of when it becomes this big 2441 01:55:45.600 --> 01:55:48.039 viral moment and that everybody's talking about it. And then 2442 01:55:48.079 --> 01:55:50.159 he comes up with a rational explanation for why he 2443 01:55:50.199 --> 01:55:50.600 said that. 2444 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:54.079 Yeah, I mean, and he told Obama told one of 2445 01:55:54.079 --> 01:55:55.760 the late night hosts. I can't remember if it was 2446 01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:58.359 Kimmel or Colbert or somebody, but he said. They said 2447 01:55:58.359 --> 01:55:59.840 something like, tell us what you know, and he said, 2448 01:55:59.840 --> 01:56:01.520 I you know, I can't tell you. There's things I 2449 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:04.000 can't tell you. So, I mean, he obviously knows more 2450 01:56:04.439 --> 01:56:04.800 than he. 2451 01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:06.640 Said right, Otherwise he would say there's nothing. 2452 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:08.800 And then Trump said that he knows more. It was 2453 01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:09.800 very interesting. 2454 01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:12.159 You know, I talked to Trump about it. Yeah, he 2455 01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:14.960 won't tell you. Shit, a lot of things move around, 2456 01:56:15.079 --> 01:56:19.000 knows of things. There's a lot of it's very crazy. 2457 01:56:19.319 --> 01:56:20.720 But you know, he won't tell you. He said they 2458 01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:22.760 weren't going to release the Epstein files and that came out. 2459 01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:24.840 So I just kind of go, no, I have a 2460 01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:26.119 different I don't know if you want to get in it, 2461 01:56:26.119 --> 01:56:28.319 but I have a different view of Epstein than I 2462 01:56:28.399 --> 01:56:29.840 think I did well. 2463 01:56:30.159 --> 01:56:33.319 Before we get into that, you know Tucker's thoughts on 2464 01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:38.159 this whole UFO UAP thing. He thinks they're like angels 2465 01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:41.359 and demons from the Bible, and he thinks that they're 2466 01:56:41.439 --> 01:56:44.600 they've always been here, and you know, I'm sure you're 2467 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:47.359 aware of like the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch, 2468 01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:50.439 which was one of the original Biblical texts that wasn't 2469 01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:52.399 included in the Cannon, but just because of a few 2470 01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:55.600 rabbis decided it didn't jibe with the Torah, and they 2471 01:56:55.680 --> 01:56:58.760 found the Book of Enoch along with the Book of 2472 01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:01.840 Isaiah as a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls. And 2473 01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:07.800 when when you find out that there was a biblical text, 2474 01:57:08.079 --> 01:57:12.000 that there was contemporary to books that did make it 2475 01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:15.239 into the Old Testament, and that they talk about the 2476 01:57:15.279 --> 01:57:19.920 Watchers who come from above and mate with humans and 2477 01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:23.319 create this race of giant giants called the Nephelin who 2478 01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:26.640 destroy everything and consume everything. And you're like, what the 2479 01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:29.840 fuck is this? Like what is this? And just stop 2480 01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:33.520 and imagine if those rabbis hadn't dis like, if that 2481 01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:37.840 hadn't been excluded. Like Wesley hopf it is great talking 2482 01:57:37.840 --> 01:57:40.279 about this stuff. He's a real historian when it comes to, 2483 01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:44.199 you know, really understanding the history of these biblical texts, 2484 01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:47.000 and you know, and he's absolutely fascinated by it. And 2485 01:57:47.039 --> 01:57:49.079 he's like, yeah, yeah, it's kind of crazy that they 2486 01:57:49.159 --> 01:57:52.000 just decided to not put that in the Bible. Imagine 2487 01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:54.640 if they did. And part of when you're going to 2488 01:57:54.760 --> 01:57:57.880 church and they you know, they're going over the Old Testament, 2489 01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:01.199 like Okay, this week we're gonna go over the Book 2490 01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:04.119 of Enoch and we're going to figure out who the 2491 01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:06.960 watchers are, Like what do you what is that? 2492 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:07.520 Like? 2493 01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:10.560 What is that story? The crazy thing that Wes Huff 2494 01:58:10.560 --> 01:58:13.479 told me was that the Book of Isaiah that they 2495 01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:17.439 found in the Dead Sea scroll predates the oldest version 2496 01:58:17.560 --> 01:58:20.479 of the Book of Isaiah by more than a thousand years. 2497 01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:23.920 When they found it, they found out that there was 2498 01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:26.479 a Book of Isaiah that is a thousand years older 2499 01:58:26.520 --> 01:58:28.680 than the one they thought was the oldest one. And 2500 01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:33.079 it is verbatim. It's verbatim from the one that's a 2501 01:58:33.119 --> 01:58:35.960 thousand years later. Wow, which is kind of crazy. 2502 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:36.239 Wow. 2503 01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:39.840 But then it's also in the same fucking caves as 2504 01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:43.039 the Book of Enoch. It's all together there in the 2505 01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:44.239 Dead Sea scrolls amazing. 2506 01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:47.720 I mean, we've had this, we've been fed this story 2507 01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:51.199 that sort of all of these religions and myths from 2508 01:58:51.199 --> 01:58:54.800 the past are all just false, right, They're all just hallucinations, 2509 01:58:55.479 --> 01:58:56.760 they're all just lies. 2510 01:58:57.119 --> 01:58:57.840 I don't believe that. 2511 01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:01.840 It's just really uh, it's really air actually, Like it's like, well, no, now, 2512 01:59:01.960 --> 01:59:03.800 like we've been around for human around for like millions 2513 01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:05.279 of years, but the last one hundred and fifty years 2514 01:59:05.399 --> 01:59:07.119 is like we really figured it all out, and we 2515 01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:10.720 figured out that all human knowledge before you know whatever 2516 01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:13.640 some recent time period is nonsense. 2517 01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:13.960 Yeah. 2518 01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:15.960 I think that's quite arrogant. 2519 01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:18.640 It's very arrogant, but I all, look, I'm a believer 2520 01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:20.800 that history is far older than we think it is. 2521 01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:23.720 I'm and I think the more time goes on, the 2522 01:59:23.720 --> 01:59:27.439 more that gets revealed. So when you're talking about something 2523 01:59:27.479 --> 01:59:30.560 that's four or five thousand years old, I think, really 2524 01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:34.039 you're talking about a retelling of a far older story. 2525 01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:39.079 And I think there's it's very difficult when you're dealing 2526 01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:42.159 with people that don't have an understanding of science. The 2527 01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:45.960 written language is fairly new. It's an oral tradition for 2528 01:59:46.520 --> 01:59:50.680 generations before it's ever written down. So my question with 2529 01:59:50.760 --> 01:59:53.560 all of this is always like, what were they trying 2530 01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:56.439 to talk about? What were they trying to say? What 2531 01:59:56.560 --> 02:00:01.479 was the original experience that someone documented in story? And 2532 02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:04.760 then that story was relayed over and over and over again, 2533 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:08.199 generation after generation until it's eventually written down, and then 2534 02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:11.199 they study it and take it literally and then also 2535 02:00:11.800 --> 02:00:16.079 translating it from Aramaic, which is the Dead Sea Scrolls, 2536 02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:20.680 ancient Hebrew, all these different languages, to Latin and Greek 2537 02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:25.039 and eventually English, Like, but what's the original story? Like? 2538 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:28.800 What are they trying to document? What is this important 2539 02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:32.479 knowledge that they want to share? And how screwed up. 2540 02:00:32.520 --> 02:00:36.199 Would that get over the generations and generations of talking 2541 02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:39.359 about it, But what ultimate truth is in there? Like, 2542 02:00:39.680 --> 02:00:43.119 I'm absolutely fascinated by the story of Jesus Christ because 2543 02:00:43.159 --> 02:00:46.600 if you wanted to come up with a way that 2544 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:52.159 people would live that would absolutely be far more beneficial 2545 02:00:52.199 --> 02:00:55.479 than just going on natural instincts and tribal behavior, and 2546 02:00:55.840 --> 02:01:01.960 you would follow Jesus's teachings, like, I can't find a 2547 02:01:02.039 --> 02:01:05.640 flaw in the way he tells you to live life. 2548 02:01:06.079 --> 02:01:10.199 There's a lot of religions that involve, you know, torturing 2549 02:01:10.279 --> 02:01:14.960 non believers and raping infidels and being able to do 2550 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:17.600 terrible things to the people that don't believe your religion. 2551 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:21.000 There's none of that in Christianity. It's all forgiveness. It's 2552 02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:25.680 all treating your brother as in your neighbor as if 2553 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:29.680 they're you. Like, it's a beautiful way to live life. 2554 02:01:29.720 --> 02:01:30.399 Are you Christian? 2555 02:01:30.640 --> 02:01:32.920 Well, I go to church. I have been for quite 2556 02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:34.600 a while. Okay, so I've been doing it for the 2557 02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:35.560 last three or four years. 2558 02:01:35.560 --> 02:01:36.680 But that's not really an answer to the. 2559 02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:41.640 Question, because I don't know. I think it's very interesting 2560 02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:45.600 and I do believe that if you follow the teachings 2561 02:01:45.640 --> 02:01:47.560 of Jesus Christ, you will live a better life. I 2562 02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:49.319 really do believe that. And one of the things I 2563 02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:51.800 talk about is like, the people that I go to 2564 02:01:51.880 --> 02:01:54.760 church with are the most fucking polite people I've ever 2565 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:57.479 met in my life. They're so kind and so nice, 2566 02:01:57.720 --> 02:01:59.800 and everybody lets you out of the parking lot. Everybody's 2567 02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:03.359 like it's like the one point it works, you know 2568 02:02:03.399 --> 02:02:05.600 what I'm saying, Like, if people are trying to find 2569 02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:07.840 an idea, does that mean I believe people came back 2570 02:02:07.840 --> 02:02:10.439 from the dead. Does that mean I believe Moses part 2571 02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:14.720 of the Red Sea? Not really, No, it seems like 2572 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:18.279 that's most likely a story where people are telling it 2573 02:02:18.439 --> 02:02:23.279 generation after generation after generation, but there was probably something happening. 2574 02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:26.359 There's probably some truth to it. Then you take into 2575 02:02:26.359 --> 02:02:28.159 account some of the stories from the Old Testament, like 2576 02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:31.319 the Book of Ezekiel, which I'm absolutely fascinated by Book 2577 02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:33.760 of Ezekiel and his account of the wheel within a 2578 02:02:33.800 --> 02:02:38.279 wheel and the fire flashing forth continually and in the 2579 02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:41.000 midst of the fire as it were, gleaming metal, Like 2580 02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:43.920 what the hell is that? Like? What is that? Like? 2581 02:02:43.960 --> 02:02:47.079 What are these stories? And in the midst of this 2582 02:02:47.479 --> 02:02:52.159 gleaming metathers, the likeness of four living creatures like, okay, 2583 02:02:52.319 --> 02:02:55.199 they darted to and fro, like the appearance of a 2584 02:02:55.199 --> 02:02:58.640 flash of lightning. Okay, what is that? Like? What are they? 2585 02:02:59.000 --> 02:03:01.359 What were they trying to say? Saying? What was the 2586 02:03:01.399 --> 02:03:04.840 original experience that people documented that was so important? 2587 02:03:05.520 --> 02:03:06.840 And it might have been a lot more similar to 2588 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:08.199 these UFO experiences. 2589 02:03:08.319 --> 02:03:10.520 That's the point. Yeah, I think this is what one 2590 02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:12.199 of the things that Tucker goes back to. 2591 02:03:12.680 --> 02:03:17.680 The Christian story is so beautiful and so important. You known, 2592 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:22.399 Gerard's view of of Christianity is really stopping the cycle 2593 02:03:22.439 --> 02:03:25.840 of scapegoating, you know, scapegoating where and I'm seeing it 2594 02:03:25.880 --> 02:03:27.720 right now. As part of the reason we've been pushing 2595 02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:30.920 back against the moral panic on Epstein is that you 2596 02:03:31.079 --> 02:03:33.920 scapegoat the thing, you know, traditionally literally was a goat, 2597 02:03:33.960 --> 02:03:37.159 but you scapegoat the person or whatever. Originally it really 2598 02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:40.119 was a good Yeah, it was good. Yeah, really would 2599 02:03:40.159 --> 02:03:41.920 carry the sins of the community. 2600 02:03:42.039 --> 02:03:43.079 Are you sacrificing you? 2601 02:03:43.439 --> 02:03:45.640 I think you would send it away to die or something. 2602 02:03:46.279 --> 02:03:53.880 But over time yeah, yeah, interesting. Yeah, And the general 2603 02:03:54.239 --> 02:03:57.560 where the devil goats or everything goats get a bad rap. 2604 02:03:57.640 --> 02:04:00.800 Goods are in your lobby, aren't they or those elk No. 2605 02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:03.000 Big difference. 2606 02:04:03.760 --> 02:04:05.960 Yeah, but I mean so Christianity puts an end to that. 2607 02:04:06.119 --> 02:04:10.000 It says, stop scapegoating. I mean they escapegoated Jesus. Really, 2608 02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:12.119 I mean you kind of go that, you scapegoat the way. 2609 02:04:12.199 --> 02:04:15.880 The purpose of the scapegoating was to was for this 2610 02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:19.880 the community to unite the community and and scapegoat to 2611 02:04:20.319 --> 02:04:22.439 put all of its sins on one thing and then 2612 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:23.960 kill it or get rid of it. And that was 2613 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:26.640 the way the community would restore unity. And Christianity said, no, 2614 02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:30.960 we're not going to do it that way. That's that's immoral. 2615 02:04:31.359 --> 02:04:34.279 And so you know, he with the you know, without sin, 2616 02:04:34.319 --> 02:04:37.000 should be the first castle stone. Jesus wasn't saying that 2617 02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:41.239 prostitution was good or anything. He was saying that we 2618 02:04:41.359 --> 02:04:44.000 should not be scapegoating. You know, you've got sins too, 2619 02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:47.840 so don't scapegoat this person. That's a really radical moment 2620 02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:50.319 in human history, and it really is what allowed humans 2621 02:04:50.399 --> 02:04:53.439 to spread. It creates the universal. I mean, Christianity is 2622 02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:56.319 the first universal is really universal religion. Maybe it's not 2623 02:04:56.359 --> 02:04:59.439 the only, but it's a universal religion. It says everybody 2624 02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:02.520 you know, as a child of God's and it's evangelical, 2625 02:05:02.560 --> 02:05:04.479 and it wants other people to become Christian. That's very 2626 02:05:05.079 --> 02:05:07.199 that's different from other other religions when I'm like, this 2627 02:05:07.319 --> 02:05:08.960 is my God and I've got my own God here 2628 02:05:09.119 --> 02:05:10.279 and we're the best, and. 2629 02:05:10.359 --> 02:05:12.680 You suck and they make it very difficult to join. 2630 02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:14.840 Yeah, And it's not to say that Christians. You know, 2631 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:18.000 obviously there was you know, fighting the Muslims, and there's 2632 02:05:18.239 --> 02:05:22.439 some interesting revisionism there. But it's a beautiful religion. 2633 02:05:22.600 --> 02:05:24.840 So there's terrible things that have been done under the 2634 02:05:25.000 --> 02:05:28.479 gush of Christianity, but if you listen to the teachings 2635 02:05:28.520 --> 02:05:31.800 of Jesus Christ, they're not following his teachings. So it's 2636 02:05:31.880 --> 02:05:36.479 like it's just human behavior that they have tagged on 2637 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:39.880 to Christianity. So when people say Christianity is responsible for 2638 02:05:39.960 --> 02:05:43.279 horrible atrocities, I say no, I say humans are because 2639 02:05:43.279 --> 02:05:46.119 if you if it was actually Christianity, you would be 2640 02:05:46.239 --> 02:05:48.479 following the teachings of Christ and there would be none 2641 02:05:48.520 --> 02:05:49.039 of those things. 2642 02:05:49.399 --> 02:05:54.439 I mean, anti Semitism is not Christian, right, so true 2643 02:05:54.520 --> 02:05:57.960 Christianity is not that. So I think it's lovely and 2644 02:05:58.359 --> 02:06:00.520 I hope there's a revival of some of it. I'm 2645 02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:00.880 not sure there. 2646 02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:03.439 I think there is more now than before. There's a 2647 02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:07.119 lot of young people that are getting into into Christianity. 2648 02:06:07.319 --> 02:06:09.359 I think it's good to I think it's also I mean, 2649 02:06:09.359 --> 02:06:11.000 it's interesting with you we're hearing at the UFO thing. 2650 02:06:11.319 --> 02:06:13.680 It's an awareness that there's a higher power. So one 2651 02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:15.319 can sort of say, look at the UFO thing. It's 2652 02:06:15.319 --> 02:06:17.880 not the same as Christianity or whatever, but this awareness 2653 02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:20.520 that like we're not like, there's something else going on, 2654 02:06:20.640 --> 02:06:22.600 there's something more, there's something higher than us than that 2655 02:06:22.680 --> 02:06:25.159 we should be humble in front of in the face 2656 02:06:25.239 --> 02:06:28.279 of this just gigantic mystery. I think that puts us 2657 02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:29.960 in a better mentality. 2658 02:06:30.199 --> 02:06:33.479 It certainly does. And if anything, if he's not the 2659 02:06:33.560 --> 02:06:37.079 son of God, if this was an actual historical figure, 2660 02:06:37.600 --> 02:06:42.479 what an insanely wise human being who didn't have these 2661 02:06:42.680 --> 02:06:45.600 thoughts that are inherent to all of us of vengeance 2662 02:06:45.720 --> 02:06:48.720 and lust and greed. He has none of these. 2663 02:06:49.520 --> 02:06:52.800 So radical. Also, you've heard it said before that you should, 2664 02:06:53.079 --> 02:06:55.880 you know, love your friends and hate your enemies. I 2665 02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:57.600 say to you, you know, you should love your enemies. 2666 02:06:57.600 --> 02:07:01.960 I mean, that's just it's like the hearts. I'm not there. 2667 02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:05.239 I think very few people are there, but it's certainly 2668 02:07:05.359 --> 02:07:08.720 the right aspiration, is yes, yeah. 2669 02:07:08.600 --> 02:07:12.359 It's the right aspiration. And Tucker thinks that this whole 2670 02:07:12.560 --> 02:07:17.159 UFO thing is somehow connected to the spiritual realm and that. 2671 02:07:17.359 --> 02:07:19.560 We're well because we've been told for so long that 2672 02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:22.199 there is no spiritual realm, That spiritual realm is just 2673 02:07:22.279 --> 02:07:24.840 a mental illness, right, you know, it's love how he's 2674 02:07:24.920 --> 02:07:25.680 like the yahweh thing. 2675 02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:27.319 He's like the problem that people that tell you that 2676 02:07:27.359 --> 02:07:31.840 are all mentally ill, they're all very unhappy, like atheists, 2677 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:35.359 like secular like hardcore atheists are some of the most unhappy, 2678 02:07:35.800 --> 02:07:39.239 depressed people I know. I don't see like incredibly happy 2679 02:07:39.359 --> 02:07:41.359 unless they do a lot of mushrooms, and those people 2680 02:07:41.439 --> 02:07:44.279 tend to not be atheists anymore. That's the one weird thing. 2681 02:07:44.479 --> 02:07:47.880 People that have had like intense breakthrough psychedelic experiences one 2682 02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:49.960 of the first things that go, maybe maybe there is 2683 02:07:50.079 --> 02:07:53.159 a God, Like maybe maybe I don't know what I'm 2684 02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:55.920 talking about, because if I just experienced that, and that's 2685 02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:59.279 a real thing that you could have while alive on earth, 2686 02:07:59.600 --> 02:08:03.479 where you are confronted with divine wisdom and love and 2687 02:08:03.600 --> 02:08:06.399 some weird, strange form and when there's a lot of 2688 02:08:06.439 --> 02:08:08.239 people that believe that that's the source of a lot 2689 02:08:08.279 --> 02:08:12.960 of religious experiences, and instead of alienating and making those 2690 02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:16.319 things illegal, we should study them and make them a 2691 02:08:16.479 --> 02:08:20.319 part of the religious experience because it's probably what they 2692 02:08:20.399 --> 02:08:21.279 were originally. 2693 02:08:21.479 --> 02:08:23.119 Well, that's right, and so now that people are having 2694 02:08:23.159 --> 02:08:26.520 spiritual experiences with UFOs, it's wonderful and they should talk 2695 02:08:26.560 --> 02:08:29.239 about them and kindle them. I think the thing about 2696 02:08:29.239 --> 02:08:33.279 psychedelics that's so interesting is that my experience with them 2697 02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:37.199 was that you become you don't become so attached to 2698 02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:40.319 your ideas and your beliefs, right, and so which is 2699 02:08:40.359 --> 02:08:42.800 a big problem in our society is people that get 2700 02:08:42.840 --> 02:08:45.399 too attached to their their egos, get attached to their 2701 02:08:45.439 --> 02:08:47.239 beliefs as opposed to like, oh I thought that. I 2702 02:08:47.319 --> 02:08:50.039 mean I've made I've made my whole career out of 2703 02:08:50.079 --> 02:08:53.239 being wrong about things and then correcting them. But I 2704 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:55.960 think it's hard because that you do, it's really a 2705 02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:58.680 great it's thank you, it's a very but it's still 2706 02:08:58.760 --> 02:09:01.600 I hate it. I hate being wrong. It's totally natural 2707 02:09:01.680 --> 02:09:04.399 to hate it. But I do think like having a 2708 02:09:04.520 --> 02:09:08.520 practice that makes you go you are not your your beliefs. 2709 02:09:08.640 --> 02:09:12.199 There's something there. You have an existence separate from the 2710 02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:13.960 things that you wrote on your blog or you were 2711 02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:15.960 on an X, and don't be so attached to. 2712 02:09:16.039 --> 02:09:18.199 Them, right, don't make them your identity. 2713 02:09:18.399 --> 02:09:23.119 Yeah, and that's it's actually, there's something really quite. There's 2714 02:09:23.119 --> 02:09:24.920 an awful part of when you feel like you got 2715 02:09:24.920 --> 02:09:26.680 wrought something wrong, but then there's another part wre like 2716 02:09:26.720 --> 02:09:28.640 call it feels good to get it right and you 2717 02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:32.199 feel clean, and that's like, that's what we should be 2718 02:09:32.279 --> 02:09:35.840 going for. But it does require for me being humble 2719 02:09:36.359 --> 02:09:39.760 about my limitations before some higher power is really important 2720 02:09:40.159 --> 02:09:41.960 place to begin, because if you think there's no higher 2721 02:09:42.039 --> 02:09:44.359 power or that the other one is like souls, we 2722 02:09:44.439 --> 02:09:47.319 don't talk about souls enough. A new friend of mine 2723 02:09:47.359 --> 02:09:50.199 at the university was talking about how important it is 2724 02:09:50.319 --> 02:09:53.920 to really to care for your soul and to care 2725 02:09:53.960 --> 02:09:55.640 about other people's souls. That's one of the things that 2726 02:09:55.720 --> 02:09:58.199 Christianity is so good at, that you have something divine 2727 02:09:58.239 --> 02:10:00.479 inside of you connected to something divine side of you, 2728 02:10:00.560 --> 02:10:03.560 and that your behaviors affect its treatment and it you know, 2729 02:10:03.640 --> 02:10:07.840 when you tell people that you're just you know, a 2730 02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:11.039 meat suit and you're just warm food and your life 2731 02:10:11.079 --> 02:10:14.159 doesn't matter, and that it's all just you know, random 2732 02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:18.920 and pointless. That's a terrible story. It makes people feel terrible, 2733 02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:21.039 but when you kind of go, know you there was 2734 02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:23.039 one of the most beautiful I loved all the Charlie 2735 02:10:23.079 --> 02:10:24.880 Kirk videos that went out after his death because there 2736 02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:26.560 were so many onces where he had these beautiful moments. 2737 02:10:26.600 --> 02:10:27.880 But he's talking to these women that are doing the 2738 02:10:27.960 --> 02:10:31.239 only fans did you see that one? Yea, and they're 2739 02:10:31.279 --> 02:10:33.960 describing they're trying to shock him and saying just really 2740 02:10:34.239 --> 02:10:37.119 kind of crude things about their sexuality and how like 2741 02:10:37.239 --> 02:10:39.199 the sex they have it doesn't matter to them. And 2742 02:10:39.720 --> 02:10:40.960 he was like, I just don't believe that. I think 2743 02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:43.159 you have a soul. I think God has a purpose 2744 02:10:43.239 --> 02:10:47.960 for you. What a much lovelier way to engage somebody. 2745 02:10:48.239 --> 02:10:50.000 And it wasn't a you didn't feel like he was 2746 02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:52.920 morally condemning them, right, he was actually saying God loves you. 2747 02:10:53.079 --> 02:10:56.640 And so for me, Christianity brings if that is the 2748 02:10:56.880 --> 02:10:59.479 part of Christianity I think is so special, but it 2749 02:10:59.600 --> 02:11:00.880 is hard. I mean one of the things that this 2750 02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:02.960 anthropologist that I really into is talking about. She says, 2751 02:11:02.960 --> 02:11:05.880 it's the more the God, the more different the God 2752 02:11:06.039 --> 02:11:08.760 is from humans, the harder it is to believe in them. 2753 02:11:09.239 --> 02:11:11.319 And so people like Christians in particularly, she would talk 2754 02:11:11.359 --> 02:11:14.880 about there, even evangelical ones are always complaining about not 2755 02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:17.800 believing enough and not having enough faith because it is 2756 02:11:17.880 --> 02:11:20.079 so hard, because you do have the Holocaust problem, the 2757 02:11:20.119 --> 02:11:22.760 problem of evil. Why if the God is all powerful 2758 02:11:22.760 --> 02:11:24.159 and all good, is he allowing the Holocaust? 2759 02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:25.640 Why do you allow Hiroshima? Right? 2760 02:11:25.680 --> 02:11:28.359 You know, these terrible things? And part of the answer 2761 02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:30.239 for Christians has been well, because he wants us to 2762 02:11:30.319 --> 02:11:33.359 exercise free will and to be in touch with our 2763 02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:37.319 better sides and to realize our potential as as moral, 2764 02:11:38.479 --> 02:11:41.960 moral humans and moral souls. And that's a pretty good answer, 2765 02:11:42.520 --> 02:11:44.640 but it is I find I was glad to hear 2766 02:11:44.680 --> 02:11:46.960 that her say that people struggle with it, because I 2767 02:11:47.039 --> 02:11:47.880 certainly do as well. 2768 02:11:48.319 --> 02:11:53.079 Well, I mean, I think everyone struggles with it. I'm 2769 02:11:53.279 --> 02:11:56.600 just I'm really fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by it 2770 02:11:56.640 --> 02:11:58.680 because when I go to church and I listen to 2771 02:11:58.720 --> 02:12:03.039 them talk about various passages in the Bible, my mindset 2772 02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:07.199 is always like, what was the real experience like, what 2773 02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:10.359 are we missing out of these tales? What are we 2774 02:12:10.520 --> 02:12:15.600 missing out of these recounting of these experiences? What happened? 2775 02:12:15.840 --> 02:12:18.880 I don't think it was nothing. I really don't. I mean, 2776 02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:22.760 there's something real to it, and and it again it works. 2777 02:12:23.199 --> 02:12:26.560 That's the that's the main one for me. It's like, 2778 02:12:26.640 --> 02:12:28.279 you want to live a better life, Like if you 2779 02:12:28.359 --> 02:12:30.279 live as a Christian, you'll have a better life, You'll 2780 02:12:30.279 --> 02:12:34.279 have a more love filled, more wonderful life. That's real, 2781 02:12:34.640 --> 02:12:39.760 and that this idea that always it's fairy tales? Is 2782 02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:43.600 it If it's a method for life that gives you 2783 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:47.520 a more rich and loving and peaceful life, isn't that 2784 02:12:47.720 --> 02:12:50.960 better for everybody? Isn't that a real thing? That's a 2785 02:12:51.119 --> 02:12:54.720 real thing. It's there's no way you can know whether 2786 02:12:54.840 --> 02:12:57.159 or not any of the stories in the Bible happened 2787 02:12:57.239 --> 02:13:00.399 exactly as described. We can't know, so you have to 2788 02:13:00.439 --> 02:13:03.000 have this leap of faith to you know, and it 2789 02:13:03.039 --> 02:13:05.399 gets weird, like Jesus comes back on a white horse, 2790 02:13:05.560 --> 02:13:08.920 like hey, slow down, you know. Like Revelations, Book of 2791 02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:13.039 Revelations is weird. But it's like, what's really weird to 2792 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:15.800 some of these people that think that what's going on 2793 02:13:15.880 --> 02:13:19.520 in Iran is to light the fire to bring to 2794 02:13:19.640 --> 02:13:23.319 have Jesus return to light the signal fire. Like, did 2795 02:13:23.399 --> 02:13:27.159 you hear those recass by that these non commissioned officers 2796 02:13:27.199 --> 02:13:31.359 that went to these briefings combat briefings? Oh no, yeah, Okay, 2797 02:13:31.960 --> 02:13:34.000 here's one of them because I saved it because it's 2798 02:13:34.039 --> 02:13:36.560 so kooky that I read it and I was like, wait, 2799 02:13:36.640 --> 02:13:39.920 what the fuck did they say? Because it's it's so crazy. 2800 02:13:40.560 --> 02:13:43.479 I tend to be anti my knee jerk is anti 2801 02:13:43.520 --> 02:13:47.920 apocalyptic because I don't see apocalyptic movements doing a lot 2802 02:13:47.960 --> 02:13:48.359 of good. 2803 02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:51.079 In the world. So, yeah, that's probably better. 2804 02:13:50.880 --> 02:13:53.279 Off most of I think a lot of Christians have 2805 02:13:53.960 --> 02:13:58.199 ignored the Book of Revelations. I yeah, I think focusing 2806 02:13:58.239 --> 02:14:01.159 too heavily on that particular book is probably leads to bad. 2807 02:14:01.000 --> 02:14:02.840 Altcome, okay, so this was the story that I wrote. 2808 02:14:02.880 --> 02:14:05.600 This was in Yahoo. I'll send this to you, Jeremy, 2809 02:14:05.680 --> 02:14:08.880 so you can get this, so you could put this 2810 02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:11.159 up on the board. Did you find the other thing? Okay? 2811 02:14:11.399 --> 02:14:13.199 He urges us to tell our troops that this was 2812 02:14:13.239 --> 02:14:14.880 all part of God's Now, this is the guy who 2813 02:14:14.920 --> 02:14:19.359 goes this is a combat readiness briefing urge us to 2814 02:14:19.520 --> 02:14:21.680 tell our troops, this is all part of God's plan. 2815 02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:24.760 And he specifically referenced numerous citations of the Book of 2816 02:14:24.840 --> 02:14:28.640 Revelations referring to Armorgeddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ. 2817 02:14:29.800 --> 02:14:32.119 He said that President Trump has been anointed by Jesus 2818 02:14:32.199 --> 02:14:35.520 to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armorageddon 2819 02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:39.640 and mark his return to Earth. And they said that 2820 02:14:39.640 --> 02:14:41.399 the guy was saying this had a giant smile on 2821 02:14:41.439 --> 02:14:44.199 his face, which made it all the weirder, like like, 2822 02:14:44.880 --> 02:14:46.600 see if you could find that in there. It doesn't 2823 02:14:46.640 --> 02:14:50.319 say that. No, it's not in that particular article. 2824 02:14:50.479 --> 02:14:52.720 This is just someone someone complained about. 2825 02:14:52.720 --> 02:14:54.960 Oh yeah, bunch of people. Can there's actually like a lawsuit? 2826 02:14:56.039 --> 02:14:58.479 Yeah? Really would freedom you risk like the whole self 2827 02:14:58.520 --> 02:15:01.720 fulfilling prophecy with that one. Well it's what you wait 2828 02:15:01.760 --> 02:15:04.279 a second, what are you doing? What machines? What weapons 2829 02:15:04.319 --> 02:15:04.760 do you control? 2830 02:15:05.479 --> 02:15:08.520 Yeah, there's a lot of fucking religious kooks. So it's 2831 02:15:08.600 --> 02:15:11.600 not just And also that is not how Jesus Christ 2832 02:15:11.600 --> 02:15:13.760 would handle it. Let's go bomby Ron, that's how Jesus 2833 02:15:13.800 --> 02:15:15.239 is going to come back. Like do you think you 2834 02:15:15.279 --> 02:15:16.720 would tell you that's the right way to do it, Like, 2835 02:15:16.840 --> 02:15:21.319 how did you Jesus Jesus, like, how did you interav 2836 02:15:21.479 --> 02:15:25.319 that in the text? Okay, before we so we're deep 2837 02:15:25.359 --> 02:15:27.760 into this show. So the Epstein stuff? All right, so 2838 02:15:28.079 --> 02:15:29.880 what is your take on this? All right? Well, so 2839 02:15:30.199 --> 02:15:31.760 I changed your position? 2840 02:15:31.880 --> 02:15:34.399 Yeah, I've changed. I think I spent a bunch of 2841 02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:37.359 time with the files. I will say I think I 2842 02:15:37.399 --> 02:15:38.840 did do a peace Well, I do think that the 2843 02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:43.560 shrimp is a code word for young women. I'm pretty 2844 02:15:43.600 --> 02:15:44.000 sure about that. 2845 02:15:44.479 --> 02:15:46.199 What do you think pizza is a code word for? Well? 2846 02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:48.520 That was okay, So then I did a I did. 2847 02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:48.840 I had. 2848 02:15:48.960 --> 02:15:51.239 I had this article about code words in the Epstein files, 2849 02:15:51.279 --> 02:15:53.479 and I did the shrimps, and then I had some 2850 02:15:53.520 --> 02:15:56.279 stuff about pizza and grape juice in there about grape soda, 2851 02:15:56.319 --> 02:15:58.520 and my co author Alex was like, dude, you can't 2852 02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:00.199 go if you can't go full pizza gate, you know, 2853 02:16:00.279 --> 02:16:02.319 like you gotta you gotta like, So we kept it 2854 02:16:02.399 --> 02:16:05.119 out and then the Times mentioned the pizza thing, so 2855 02:16:05.199 --> 02:16:07.439 I wrote someone X about it, but I ended up 2856 02:16:07.439 --> 02:16:09.399 taking it down because I was like, I don't really 2857 02:16:09.560 --> 02:16:12.039 know this one. I mean, what we we're weird to 2858 02:16:12.079 --> 02:16:15.319 meet out. The pizza one was where his urologist was like, 2859 02:16:15.600 --> 02:16:19.520 take your erection dysfunction pills and then we'll go out 2860 02:16:19.720 --> 02:16:22.359 and get pizza and grape soda. And I was like, 2861 02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:26.640 that is creepy, you know as hell. Yeah, So but 2862 02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:31.079 I don't the shrimp one. I'm like that means young 2863 02:16:31.119 --> 02:16:32.600 women because you just see how they talk about it, 2864 02:16:32.600 --> 02:16:34.879 and I think I proved it in my piece. There's 2865 02:16:34.920 --> 02:16:36.680 other ones like people are like the jerky is like 2866 02:16:36.840 --> 02:16:39.360 cannibalism and whatever. It's like, well, it didn't help that 2867 02:16:39.440 --> 02:16:42.239 the restaurant owner was like the restaurant's name was like 2868 02:16:42.479 --> 02:16:46.920 cannibal and something. Yeah, but I'm skeptical that that's what 2869 02:16:47.079 --> 02:16:47.399 that was. 2870 02:16:47.520 --> 02:16:50.239 So well, you would be skeptical unless you were part 2871 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:52.719 of some of these fucking bizarre satanic rituals, and then 2872 02:16:52.760 --> 02:16:54.920 you would go, oh my god, it's real, like there 2873 02:16:54.959 --> 02:16:59.559 are look, people have sacrifice people, right, Can we agree 2874 02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:02.520 to that in human history? Yeah? Culture, of course, and 2875 02:17:02.600 --> 02:17:06.000 there have been satanic rituals throughout history. Can we agree 2876 02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:06.159 to that? 2877 02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:06.520 Sure? 2878 02:17:06.600 --> 02:17:10.840 Okay, so there has been cannibalism in history. We agree 2879 02:17:10.840 --> 02:17:11.559 to that. Okay. 2880 02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:13.360 Unfortunately a lot actually there was a lot. 2881 02:17:13.479 --> 02:17:17.040 Yeah, why wouldn't we think they're talking about that. We 2882 02:17:17.120 --> 02:17:19.680 don't want to believe it, right, is that what it is? No, 2883 02:17:19.799 --> 02:17:24.840 I don't want to believe that these people, these multimillionaires 2884 02:17:24.879 --> 02:17:27.079 and billionaires that go to this island and engage in 2885 02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:30.920 all this crazy shit, aren't doing something like child sacrifice 2886 02:17:31.280 --> 02:17:32.120 or cannibalism. 2887 02:17:32.600 --> 02:17:34.360 Well, let's start with the Let's start with the thing 2888 02:17:34.440 --> 02:17:35.719 that I think a lot of us thought it was, 2889 02:17:35.840 --> 02:17:40.479 which is that it was an intelligence community sex blackmail operation. 2890 02:17:40.799 --> 02:17:44.360 That's what made it, for me a story. I mean, 2891 02:17:44.440 --> 02:17:48.760 a creepy guy doing creepy things. There's just that's we 2892 02:17:48.879 --> 02:17:50.360 call that a dog bites man story. 2893 02:17:50.440 --> 02:17:50.559 You know. 2894 02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:52.200 What makes it a man by his dog story is 2895 02:17:52.360 --> 02:17:53.840 like is that you kind of go wow. It is 2896 02:17:53.920 --> 02:17:56.280 like Masad and Cia running a honeypot. I mean, that's 2897 02:17:56.319 --> 02:17:59.879 the premise of Widley Webb's two volume book when they 2898 02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:04.159 under blackmail. But when you look at it, like, we 2899 02:18:04.239 --> 02:18:07.840 don't see that, we see we see one case where 2900 02:18:08.360 --> 02:18:11.559 Epstein emails himself something that sounds like it's in the 2901 02:18:11.639 --> 02:18:14.799 voice of the Bill Gates science advisor Boris Carsitch, I 2902 02:18:14.840 --> 02:18:18.559 believe is the name. And in it they talk about, oh, 2903 02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:20.879 you know, it's the famous email where he says, oh, 2904 02:18:20.959 --> 02:18:24.200 you know, I got STDs. It says, you got STDs 2905 02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:27.079 from Russian hookers or from Russian women, and then you 2906 02:18:27.200 --> 02:18:28.959 tried to slip antibotics or you want to meet a 2907 02:18:29.000 --> 02:18:33.000 slip antibotics and Melinda's drink and Melinda like they asked 2908 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:37.680 her about it was awful. It doesn't like, that's not 2909 02:18:38.120 --> 02:18:38.920 it's weird what that is. 2910 02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:43.639 So, first of all, we're just talking about emails, right, right, 2911 02:18:43.959 --> 02:18:49.040 So who knows what was said? Just from the email, 2912 02:18:49.600 --> 02:18:52.479 we know that there at least implies that he's got 2913 02:18:52.600 --> 02:18:58.000 dirt on people and that he is exercising, is doing 2914 02:18:58.120 --> 02:19:00.920 something with this dirt that he has on Epstein or 2915 02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:05.520 on Bill Gates rather. Yeah, so we're very limited in 2916 02:19:05.559 --> 02:19:08.639 the amount of data that we possess, right because we 2917 02:19:08.799 --> 02:19:12.440 just have emails between him and other people. Inside those emails, 2918 02:19:12.479 --> 02:19:14.639 we find a lot of creepy shit. We find that 2919 02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:18.120 one description where he was talking to this woman where 2920 02:19:18.159 --> 02:19:21.879 she said, I'm doing a doing investigating a story about 2921 02:19:22.159 --> 02:19:25.559 an island where they bring children for sex, and he goes, 2922 02:19:25.600 --> 02:19:27.399 she almost had a heart attack when I told her 2923 02:19:27.639 --> 02:19:28.479 that person is me. 2924 02:19:29.200 --> 02:19:32.799 Well, he was talking about the rumors and gossips about him. 2925 02:19:33.200 --> 02:19:35.440 But he wasn't saying that he's bringing children to his 2926 02:19:35.520 --> 02:19:36.200 island for sex. 2927 02:19:36.319 --> 02:19:37.200 But that is what he said. 2928 02:19:37.799 --> 02:19:39.799 But if you look at the say they're talking about me. 2929 02:19:40.559 --> 02:19:44.200 No, no, no, she said, I'm doing a story on 2930 02:19:45.159 --> 02:19:49.680 a guy who brings children to his island for sex. 2931 02:19:50.120 --> 02:19:53.520 And he says. She almost had a heart attack when 2932 02:19:53.559 --> 02:19:54.520 I told her that. 2933 02:19:54.719 --> 02:19:57.239 Person is me, the person that. 2934 02:20:00.159 --> 02:20:02.639 Being charitable, because that's not what the tech says. What 2935 02:20:02.760 --> 02:20:06.399 the tech says is someone's bringing children to an island. 2936 02:20:06.639 --> 02:20:09.280 I told her that person was me. Yeah, he didn't say. 2937 02:20:09.799 --> 02:20:12.120 I told her that's a bullshit rumor. I let her 2938 02:20:12.200 --> 02:20:12.959 know that's not true. 2939 02:20:13.200 --> 02:20:15.760 But that's very much in his style. I mean, look, look, 2940 02:20:15.879 --> 02:20:17.239 let's back up to the intelligence. 2941 02:20:16.920 --> 02:20:18.520 Wait a minute, why why would. 2942 02:20:18.360 --> 02:20:20.239 You we can pull it up and look at it. 2943 02:20:20.319 --> 02:20:24.159 I just think I think what we see from the files, 2944 02:20:25.079 --> 02:20:26.680 and I think Mike Benz has sort of pointed out 2945 02:20:26.680 --> 02:20:29.280 the ways in which Epstein might have been a contractor 2946 02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:32.719 or a financier or somebody hiding money for the intelligence community. 2947 02:20:33.239 --> 02:20:37.479 Beyond that, I don't see any evidence that he was 2948 02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:40.120 doing much for the intelligence community, if at all. 2949 02:20:40.520 --> 02:20:44.959 But you're only getting emails, and only half of the emails. Right, 2950 02:20:45.159 --> 02:20:47.680 So there's only three million emails that have been released. 2951 02:20:48.040 --> 02:20:50.639 There's another three million that the FBI possesses that they're 2952 02:20:50.680 --> 02:20:51.200 not releasing. 2953 02:20:51.440 --> 02:20:53.959 Right, one hundred percent is possible something. 2954 02:20:54.520 --> 02:20:57.840 Why would you draw any conclusions based on only fifty 2955 02:20:57.879 --> 02:21:00.200 percent of the data. And then if there is fifty 2956 02:21:00.200 --> 02:21:03.200 percent of the data that hasn't been released, why is 2957 02:21:03.280 --> 02:21:06.799 that way worse? Because this stuff is fucking nuts like this, 2958 02:21:07.319 --> 02:21:10.479 this is nuts, Like take your erection pills so we 2959 02:21:10.520 --> 02:21:14.120 can go get grape soda. Okay, what And it's weird. 2960 02:21:14.559 --> 02:21:16.639 This lady is investigating a place where they and not 2961 02:21:16.680 --> 02:21:18.799 only where they bring children for sex. I told her, 2962 02:21:18.840 --> 02:21:20.120 it was me, what, well we. 2963 02:21:20.120 --> 02:21:21.959 Should put that one. I want to look at that one, Okay, 2964 02:21:21.959 --> 02:21:23.920 I mean I think, I mean here you're talking about 2965 02:21:26.680 --> 02:21:29.520 you're talking about so first of all, I think the 2966 02:21:29.600 --> 02:21:34.200 picture is of a guy that is fully in charge 2967 02:21:34.600 --> 02:21:37.399 of his life and he's doing he's like, he is 2968 02:21:37.559 --> 02:21:40.479 like amazing at getting people to love him and care 2969 02:21:40.479 --> 02:21:43.440 about him. People call him as their best friend in Florida. 2970 02:21:43.559 --> 02:21:47.600 Clearly he was abusing girls and was you know, busted 2971 02:21:47.639 --> 02:21:49.399 for that. I think he was doing that because he's 2972 02:21:49.399 --> 02:21:51.879 a pervert. I don't think I didn't see that. I 2973 02:21:51.920 --> 02:21:54.000 don't see blackmail coming out of that. And then you 2974 02:21:54.040 --> 02:21:57.479 get to later and you've got, okay, you've got the 2975 02:21:57.520 --> 02:22:00.719 Bill Gates thing, which doesn't even appear to be from Epstein. 2976 02:22:00.760 --> 02:22:03.079 It appears to be for Boris. And remember Boris, the 2977 02:22:03.120 --> 02:22:05.920 science advisor, wanted Gates to pay for like a bigger 2978 02:22:06.040 --> 02:22:08.200 apartment for him in New York. It appeared to be 2979 02:22:08.280 --> 02:22:11.079 part of him threatening Gates to get something for that 2980 02:22:11.239 --> 02:22:14.360 Borius wanted. So maybe Epstein was advising him on it. 2981 02:22:14.840 --> 02:22:17.920 But I mean to have a The other thing I'm 2982 02:22:17.920 --> 02:22:20.360 struck by these emails, Joe, is that there are so 2983 02:22:20.600 --> 02:22:24.879 many different attorneys, people of the FBI, people in the 2984 02:22:24.920 --> 02:22:28.760 Eastern District, the Southern District, the Florida Southern District. They 2985 02:22:28.799 --> 02:22:30.760 would all have to be in on it. And I'm 2986 02:22:30.879 --> 02:22:34.479 skeptical because, well, because they would be. They're in these 2987 02:22:34.559 --> 02:22:37.040 I mean, they're in this. They're reviewing the information they're 2988 02:22:37.079 --> 02:22:39.520 trying to bring, you know, they're trying to bring action 2989 02:22:39.680 --> 02:22:40.200 against him. 2990 02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:43.920 We're like, well, it depends on who are the powerful 2991 02:22:44.000 --> 02:22:47.159 people that are implicated and what kind of influence they 2992 02:22:47.280 --> 02:22:50.319 have over what gets released and what doesn't get released. 2993 02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:54.000 Clearly names were redacted that are powerful people that are 2994 02:22:54.040 --> 02:22:57.600 not victims. So that shows you right there that there's 2995 02:22:57.639 --> 02:22:58.159 some influence. 2996 02:22:58.159 --> 02:23:00.639 But there's a reason to do that. Why because they're 2997 02:23:01.040 --> 02:23:01.639 not guilty? 2998 02:23:02.000 --> 02:23:04.600 Okay, what about the one where the guy says where 2999 02:23:04.639 --> 02:23:07.159 Epstein says, I like the torture video. 3000 02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:10.879 I think they someone did find the torture. 3001 02:23:10.920 --> 02:23:13.639 Why would you redact the name of the person who 3002 02:23:13.719 --> 02:23:15.600 sent you a torture of that if you're not trying 3003 02:23:15.600 --> 02:23:16.760 to protect a powerful person. 3004 02:23:16.840 --> 02:23:17.799 Yeah, that's the Sultan? 3005 02:23:17.920 --> 02:23:19.879 Is that right? Okay, but that was someone had to 3006 02:23:20.040 --> 02:23:24.479 just figure that out. I mean, look, that's no, no, no, 3007 02:23:24.920 --> 02:23:27.879 that's evidence that you're trying to protect a powerful person. 3008 02:23:28.239 --> 02:23:30.319 Well but they didn't though in a lot of cases, 3009 02:23:30.399 --> 02:23:33.239 but they did right there. Yeah, I mean the redactions 3010 02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:34.399 they were making them. 3011 02:23:34.479 --> 02:23:37.120 I mean it was like understanding a lot of powerful 3012 02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:38.120 people's names. Yeah. 3013 02:23:38.200 --> 02:23:40.360 But I mean, I mean, look at like we're in 3014 02:23:40.399 --> 02:23:41.920 the midst I mean literally the people that are being 3015 02:23:41.959 --> 02:23:44.719 canceled for this, like Peter Atilla, these people are like 3016 02:23:44.840 --> 02:23:47.040 victims of a of We're in the middle of a 3017 02:23:47.319 --> 02:23:50.639 complete you know, uh, you know, moral panic. I mean 3018 02:23:50.920 --> 02:23:53.200 where now it's like me too, Version two. I mean 3019 02:23:53.239 --> 02:23:55.200 people are having to leave boards. I mean, look, these 3020 02:23:55.239 --> 02:23:56.879 are people I don't like. I'll just be honest, like 3021 02:23:56.879 --> 02:23:59.399 if part of me hesitated because I don't like Larry Summers, 3022 02:23:59.680 --> 02:24:03.760 I don't like Bill Gates. I don't care about Sarah Ferguson. 3023 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:06.200 You know, I didn't say anything. Then they came for 3024 02:24:06.319 --> 02:24:09.360 Peter a Tea. You know, it's a little bit like 3025 02:24:10.040 --> 02:24:12.719 like Peter a Tella, like they he didn't do anything 3026 02:24:12.760 --> 02:24:15.840 wrong and he just like lost his job with CBS, 3027 02:24:16.079 --> 02:24:18.639 and you know, he's sort of now they're under this 3028 02:24:18.760 --> 02:24:20.440 cloud and people go, oh, but he was in the 3029 02:24:20.479 --> 02:24:22.639 hospital and his wife was he was with Epstein. His 3030 02:24:22.680 --> 02:24:24.440 wife was in the hospital. We don't, like, what are 3031 02:24:24.440 --> 02:24:27.479 we doing here, Like we're getting involved in Peter Attilla's 3032 02:24:27.520 --> 02:24:30.200 like personal life and so but he has to get 3033 02:24:30.239 --> 02:24:32.959 fired for that. I mean, it's gone way too far. 3034 02:24:33.120 --> 02:24:34.799 Sarah Ferguson had to step down, even though she you know, 3035 02:24:34.920 --> 02:24:37.719 she said, like these people I don't like them, Like 3036 02:24:37.920 --> 02:24:42.000 these are not people I agree with or think their behaviors, 3037 02:24:42.239 --> 02:24:43.079 but I don't. 3038 02:24:42.879 --> 02:24:45.079 See so they're not guilty of crime. 3039 02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:47.079 I don't Yeah, they're not. Yeah, they're not like they were, 3040 02:24:47.120 --> 02:24:48.760 like they were all making a big deal out of like, well, 3041 02:24:48.760 --> 02:24:50.079 so first of all, let me just say I'm glad 3042 02:24:50.120 --> 02:24:50.799 they released the five. 3043 02:24:51.680 --> 02:24:55.239 I think they keep moving that every time you do it. Bumps. 3044 02:24:58.479 --> 02:25:02.520 I I I think, like you know, they I mean, 3045 02:25:02.559 --> 02:25:05.879 I'm glad the files were released. There was definitely problems 3046 02:25:05.920 --> 02:25:07.799 with the redactions. There was also a case where the 3047 02:25:07.879 --> 02:25:10.280 members of Congress were trying to get stuff redacted. Names 3048 02:25:10.319 --> 02:25:12.840 got redacted of people that, like I know, in one 3049 02:25:12.879 --> 02:25:15.360 case there were people that were getting licenses for guns 3050 02:25:15.399 --> 02:25:17.120 that had nothing to do with Epstein on a list. 3051 02:25:17.200 --> 02:25:19.840 Another case, other people's names were revealed who were not 3052 02:25:20.559 --> 02:25:23.879 guilty of anything. So that's why you you protect those people. 3053 02:25:23.959 --> 02:25:26.559 I think we you go everybody that. The logic right 3054 02:25:26.639 --> 02:25:29.440 now is that anybody who had any interaction with Epstein 3055 02:25:29.760 --> 02:25:32.200 had to have known of all the abuse he was doing. 3056 02:25:32.440 --> 02:25:35.159 Ok and are somehow responsible, but that's not right. 3057 02:25:35.239 --> 02:25:37.120 Okay, But a lot of these people were hanging out 3058 02:25:37.159 --> 02:25:39.600 with him and doing business with them after he was arrested, 3059 02:25:39.799 --> 02:25:41.520 So this is all okay. So then so then you 3060 02:25:41.559 --> 02:25:43.040 know it was very public. 3061 02:25:42.799 --> 02:25:44.680 Okay, but okay, So then so then what is our 3062 02:25:44.799 --> 02:25:47.760 view of people that do the crime and serve the time. 3063 02:25:48.159 --> 02:25:51.280 I mean the left, the left view has been stop 3064 02:25:51.399 --> 02:25:51.639 right there. 3065 02:25:51.680 --> 02:25:52.840 He didn't serve any time. 3066 02:25:53.719 --> 02:25:54.360 He served a year. 3067 02:25:54.600 --> 02:25:56.680 Okay, he did not go to jail for a year. 3068 02:25:56.760 --> 02:25:58.639 You know, he didn't house arrested. Yes, it was a 3069 02:25:58.799 --> 02:26:02.079 very sweetheart deal. And the prosecute was it the prosecuting 3070 02:26:02.079 --> 02:26:04.840 attorney or whoever it was, was told that he was 3071 02:26:04.920 --> 02:26:06.559 intelligence and this is why they were. 3072 02:26:06.520 --> 02:26:08.440 Getting you know, that was that was a by the 3073 02:26:08.479 --> 02:26:10.680 way that I looked into that. Yeah, that we looked 3074 02:26:10.719 --> 02:26:14.799 into that one. And that was heard secondhand, so we 3075 02:26:14.879 --> 02:26:17.840 don't even that wasn't even heard from Acosta directly. Someone 3076 02:26:17.959 --> 02:26:19.559 said that they heard a cost to say that they 3077 02:26:19.600 --> 02:26:22.840 told the Vicky Ward and I believe her source is anonymous. Yeah, 3078 02:26:23.120 --> 02:26:25.760 so that's weak. And you know, Mike, I mean, when 3079 02:26:25.799 --> 02:26:27.479 Mike Ben's was in here and Mike has done a 3080 02:26:27.520 --> 02:26:29.200 deep dive this, he's sort of like, look, at best, 3081 02:26:29.239 --> 02:26:32.159 you get Epstein tied up with intelligence with the Iran 3082 02:26:32.280 --> 02:26:35.040 contrast stuff, but he wasn't. I mean, there's two things 3083 02:26:35.079 --> 02:26:37.719 to see here that with his relationship with the intelligence community, 3084 02:26:37.799 --> 02:26:39.840 he was at best a contractor fans here, which means 3085 02:26:39.840 --> 02:26:43.440 he's not an important player in deciding cover Clidestine operations. 3086 02:26:44.520 --> 02:26:46.239 It was the it's you know, the head of state 3087 02:26:46.319 --> 02:26:46.639 said he. 3088 02:26:46.719 --> 02:26:52.680 Killed cold fusion. I mean he said he killed Pond's 3089 02:26:53.040 --> 02:26:55.000 his his work on cold fusion. 3090 02:26:55.840 --> 02:26:58.639 I mean, I don't know did Diddy? I mean, I 3091 02:26:58.760 --> 02:26:59.799 colfusually keep doing it. 3092 02:27:00.159 --> 02:27:01.600 They haven't done it yet. 3093 02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:04.639 Well, I know Carl Paige, the founder, the brother of. 3094 02:27:04.719 --> 02:27:08.000 But he stated that he killed cold fusion. 3095 02:27:07.760 --> 02:27:10.079 Research because he cut off funding for it. 3096 02:27:10.200 --> 02:27:14.440 Yeah, but there was manipulated people. I don't know that. 3097 02:27:14.639 --> 02:27:16.719 Well, I mean he say killed it. Why would he 3098 02:27:16.840 --> 02:27:18.040 kill it because it didn't work? 3099 02:27:18.280 --> 02:27:20.600 Or maybe it did work and it's problematic that it 3100 02:27:20.680 --> 02:27:22.600 does work because it kills all these people that all 3101 02:27:22.760 --> 02:27:25.479 this other money and various energy modalities. 3102 02:27:25.600 --> 02:27:27.760 I just I mean, I go fusion is like a whole. 3103 02:27:28.120 --> 02:27:29.799 I mean, the idea that we have a secret, that 3104 02:27:29.840 --> 02:27:32.920 we've secretly tapped cold fusion and are hiding it for. 3105 02:27:32.959 --> 02:27:34.559 Some reason, or that he was on the way to 3106 02:27:34.639 --> 02:27:37.479 breaking through to cold fusion and then they killed all 3107 02:27:37.520 --> 02:27:39.639 of his research, or but why you don't think that 3108 02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:41.680 could be done because there's so many people that have 3109 02:27:41.840 --> 02:27:44.360 money and all these other types of energy. 3110 02:27:45.040 --> 02:27:46.920 I just don't buy that you could. First of all, 3111 02:27:46.959 --> 02:27:51.479 that technology is super difficult to get. Nuclear fission was 3112 02:27:51.600 --> 02:27:56.239 this enormous undertaking, huge mbs of people. The ColdFusion stuff 3113 02:27:56.319 --> 02:27:59.200 was always the confusion stuff is really fringe. I mean 3114 02:27:59.280 --> 02:28:01.040 it was like, we're to be in the lab. 3115 02:28:00.920 --> 02:28:03.000 And doing cold you know, but you're not a physicist, 3116 02:28:03.040 --> 02:28:04.280 So how do you know that? Well? 3117 02:28:04.319 --> 02:28:06.120 I mean I interview a lot of physicists and talk 3118 02:28:06.120 --> 02:28:09.559 about it. I mean, the big fusion projects are incredibly difficult. 3119 02:28:09.559 --> 02:28:12.200 They keep announcing advances on them, they can't get them. 3120 02:28:12.280 --> 02:28:16.079 Cold fusion is not even considered a mainstream fusion project. 3121 02:28:16.440 --> 02:28:19.319 So to assume that there's some secret and I just 3122 02:28:19.399 --> 02:28:20.600 think this is why I have a problem with the 3123 02:28:20.639 --> 02:28:22.520 whole reverse engineering thing. Is I just kind of go. 3124 02:28:23.280 --> 02:28:26.319 You'd have to have so many people working on it 3125 02:28:26.319 --> 02:28:28.079 and covering up for such a long time. I don't 3126 02:28:28.079 --> 02:28:29.040 know how you get away with that. 3127 02:28:29.200 --> 02:28:31.319 Well, what if he was on the verge of a breakthrough, 3128 02:28:31.600 --> 02:28:35.479 but this guy steps in and stops funding and puts 3129 02:28:35.520 --> 02:28:38.680 some leverage on the university. Clearly he had dirt on 3130 02:28:38.760 --> 02:28:40.559 a bunch of people that were at high levels of 3131 02:28:40.639 --> 02:28:43.000 many universities. That's why a bunch of these guys have 3132 02:28:43.079 --> 02:28:45.920 to step down. Didn't the head of Harvard step I. 3133 02:28:45.879 --> 02:28:49.280 Think it's exaggerated. The head of Harvard step down because 3134 02:28:49.280 --> 02:28:49.600 of him? 3135 02:28:49.959 --> 02:28:52.479 That wasn't there a connection between Jeffrey Epstein. 3136 02:28:52.239 --> 02:28:54.440 Well, I mean Larry Summers. I mean or yeah, well 3137 02:28:54.559 --> 02:28:57.120 Larry Summers was you know, he had to step down 3138 02:28:57.159 --> 02:29:00.280 because he made those remarks about women as president and 3139 02:29:00.319 --> 02:29:02.440 then he just he just had to step down as professor. 3140 02:29:02.920 --> 02:29:05.200 And I say this, look I says genuinely as someone 3141 02:29:05.239 --> 02:29:07.639 that is not a Larry Summers fan, I don't think. 3142 02:29:07.760 --> 02:29:09.079 I think it's ugly what he did. 3143 02:29:09.200 --> 02:29:09.760 It's terrible. 3144 02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:11.639 He was trying to get advice from Larry Summers about 3145 02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:14.200 how to bed a Chinese economist, and they were gross 3146 02:29:14.280 --> 02:29:16.920 and their emails, and it's terrible. But I don't think 3147 02:29:16.959 --> 02:29:18.799 that you lose a job at Harvard over that. I 3148 02:29:18.840 --> 02:29:20.959 don't think that Peter t should lose his job at 3149 02:29:21.000 --> 02:29:24.000 CBS over that. We've got that's to understand. 3150 02:29:24.040 --> 02:29:26.840 And I see what you're saying. But what I'm saying 3151 02:29:27.159 --> 02:29:30.799 is clearly he had influence over some very high and 3152 02:29:30.959 --> 02:29:31.719 powerful people. 3153 02:29:31.920 --> 02:29:35.680 He also exaggerated his influence. Like he took a lot 3154 02:29:35.719 --> 02:29:38.200 of credit for Santa Fe Institute, which was a lot 3155 02:29:38.280 --> 02:29:41.600 of other people. I mean, he's really he's really interesting 3156 02:29:41.680 --> 02:29:43.920 and smart, Like you gave a thing to you know, 3157 02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:46.239 ban In talking to Bannon about it, that was really interesting. 3158 02:29:46.559 --> 02:29:49.399 But he was also Steve Pinker talked about him as Akbitzer, 3159 02:29:49.639 --> 02:29:53.479 like a kind of a bullshitter, and he was like 3160 02:29:53.639 --> 02:29:55.840 we also saw in the files. I think it really overlooked. 3161 02:29:55.920 --> 02:29:58.479 We saw how he made his money, Like he he 3162 02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:00.639 needed to get the roths He needed to get a 3163 02:30:00.719 --> 02:30:03.239 deal with the Department of Justice for his client, Ariana 3164 02:30:03.280 --> 02:30:07.079 de Roth's child. He hires Katherine Rumbler, who was Obama's 3165 02:30:07.159 --> 02:30:10.040 White House chief counsel, and she goes and makes a 3166 02:30:10.120 --> 02:30:12.440 deal at the Department of Justice forty five million dollar 3167 02:30:12.520 --> 02:30:16.559 fine for the rothschild's, ten million for Kathryne Rumler, twenty 3168 02:30:16.680 --> 02:30:19.079 five million for Jeffrey Epstein. Everyone's like, where does his 3169 02:30:19.120 --> 02:30:22.600 money come from? Doing deals like that? Like you realize, 3170 02:30:22.879 --> 02:30:24.760 I mean one of these Your Succession actually had a 3171 02:30:24.799 --> 02:30:27.799 little subplot about it, Like there's a few people in 3172 02:30:27.840 --> 02:30:31.040 the world that do these crazy high level deals, like 3173 02:30:31.200 --> 02:30:34.280 often like mergers and acquisitions that have these obscene fees 3174 02:30:34.319 --> 02:30:38.559 because they're taking some tiny percentage Epstein was operating. I 3175 02:30:38.600 --> 02:30:40.520 think the thing we didn't realize is that when you 3176 02:30:40.600 --> 02:30:43.639 read the files is the levels of which Epstein was operating. 3177 02:30:43.719 --> 02:30:47.840 I mean, his social and emotional intelligence is just off 3178 02:30:47.920 --> 02:30:50.760 the charts, which is often rare among somebody that's that 3179 02:30:50.840 --> 02:30:54.200 good analytically, someone that really understands like investments in the 3180 02:30:54.239 --> 02:30:57.200 economy to be so. And he was a master manipulator. 3181 02:30:57.879 --> 02:31:00.959 So I don't think it's I don't think it's fair 3182 02:31:01.079 --> 02:31:04.520 to say to people you had an association with him 3183 02:31:04.559 --> 02:31:08.959 after he's committed after he's convicted of this crime. Rich guys. Look, 3184 02:31:09.159 --> 02:31:11.799 we have a totally separate system of justice for rich people. 3185 02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:13.559 I think we've known that for a really long time. 3186 02:31:13.639 --> 02:31:16.879 It's terrible. I condemn it. We should find solutions to it. 3187 02:31:17.280 --> 02:31:19.159 That's what Epstein used to get out of it. I 3188 02:31:19.200 --> 02:31:22.520 don't see any evidence that intelligence helped him. You know, 3189 02:31:22.639 --> 02:31:26.159 we got other problems. The victims. Virginia Jeffree, she claimed 3190 02:31:26.159 --> 02:31:28.520 that she claimed that she had sex with Dershowitz. She 3191 02:31:28.639 --> 02:31:30.600 then goes, oh, I was wrong about that. I mean 3192 02:31:30.680 --> 02:31:34.159 there's a lot of those victim testimonials that are untrustworthy. 3193 02:31:34.879 --> 02:31:37.159 So you get yourself in a situation where you start. 3194 02:31:37.000 --> 02:31:39.959 To put like some of them were probably prostituted. 3195 02:31:40.079 --> 02:31:42.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the other one is we 3196 02:31:42.760 --> 02:31:46.079 I did some reporting where we helped to We found 3197 02:31:46.159 --> 02:31:48.079 a fourteen year old girl who has been trafficked on 3198 02:31:48.120 --> 02:31:50.520 the streets. She turned fifteen, and the process of us 3199 02:31:50.559 --> 02:31:53.680 were porting on it. You know, we're covering these pis 3200 02:31:53.719 --> 02:31:55.520 that get the police involved. The police go get her. 3201 02:31:56.159 --> 02:31:59.280 You know, she's orphaned, she goes and backs and live 3202 02:31:59.319 --> 02:32:02.520 with her aunt. She's back on the street, voluntarily back 3203 02:32:02.559 --> 02:32:04.120 on the street. Nobody wants to talk about it. It's 3204 02:32:04.200 --> 02:32:07.959 like it's like you go rescue people and they're in 3205 02:32:08.120 --> 02:32:10.959 that world. So these situations are much more complex than 3206 02:32:12.000 --> 02:32:13.840 I think. The final thing on Epstein that kind of 3207 02:32:14.600 --> 02:32:16.399 made me question is that I, like a lot of 3208 02:32:16.440 --> 02:32:19.120 other people had assumed that someone murdered him, but you 3209 02:32:19.159 --> 02:32:21.639 started looking at the evidence for that. Look, maybe there 3210 02:32:21.760 --> 02:32:24.319 more will come out and even this last round, last 3211 02:32:24.360 --> 02:32:25.959 few days or some new things that people point to, 3212 02:32:26.120 --> 02:32:29.600 but they actually are not actually evidence of it. They said. 3213 02:32:30.280 --> 02:32:34.479 You know, Epstein's brother's attorney or Epstein's brother's examiner said 3214 02:32:34.479 --> 02:32:38.000 that that he broke his hyoid bone and the hyode bone, 3215 02:32:38.040 --> 02:32:42.120 and bone is not usually broken in hangings, only in strangulations. 3216 02:32:42.120 --> 02:32:44.680 Actually it is broken and hanging, particularly for the older people. 3217 02:32:44.760 --> 02:32:45.040 Broken. 3218 02:32:45.760 --> 02:32:47.440 Yeah, and that I mean, and that's like and it's 3219 02:32:47.520 --> 02:32:50.440 low on his neck. Yeah, And they say, and that happens. 3220 02:32:50.639 --> 02:32:54.239 Also, the lady who is the guard deposited money into 3221 02:32:54.280 --> 02:32:54.600 her case. 3222 02:32:54.600 --> 02:32:56.239 I saw that, but that doesn't what does that mean? 3223 02:32:56.520 --> 02:33:00.600 Okay? Was she also googled his name before. 3224 02:33:00.360 --> 02:33:03.120 He got all that's totally okay, But let. 3225 02:33:03.079 --> 02:33:05.040 Me excuse you. Why are you dismissing I don't understand 3226 02:33:05.079 --> 02:33:08.159 why you're dismissing this because if you're gonna pay, well, 3227 02:33:08.200 --> 02:33:10.159 hold on you are. But hold on you are because 3228 02:33:10.600 --> 02:33:12.600 if you do have a guard, and all of a sudden, 3229 02:33:12.639 --> 02:33:17.799 this guard acquires several payments, She made several deposits, one 3230 02:33:17.840 --> 02:33:20.520 of them was five thousand dollars just ten days before 3231 02:33:20.559 --> 02:33:24.360 he died. And then the cameras are cut, okay, And 3232 02:33:24.639 --> 02:33:27.959 then they mysteriously don't pay attention to the cell of 3233 02:33:28.440 --> 02:33:32.399 one of the most important defendants of any case, any 3234 02:33:32.520 --> 02:33:38.719 gigantic public case involving enormously famous public figures. And then 3235 02:33:38.799 --> 02:33:41.040 this guy hangs himself while he's on suicide. 3236 02:33:41.239 --> 02:33:42.559 I remember he tried to commit suicide. 3237 02:33:42.639 --> 02:33:44.239 Understand it. Why are you not letting me finish when 3238 02:33:44.239 --> 02:33:48.680 I'm saying, because that alone is weird. That alone is weird. 3239 02:33:48.719 --> 02:33:51.079 That the cameras are cut, that there's no video of it, 3240 02:33:51.680 --> 02:33:54.360 The whole thing is weird. You don't think it's weird, Well, 3241 02:33:54.399 --> 02:33:56.079 if you don't think it's weird that this guy that 3242 02:33:56.600 --> 02:33:59.959 he just finds a way to hang himself in this cage. 3243 02:34:00.280 --> 02:34:02.399 I thought I had that same story. I was like, 3244 02:34:02.799 --> 02:34:06.239 the cameras are cut, the security guards are asleep. All 3245 02:34:06.280 --> 02:34:10.680 those things are true. It's also true that the cameras 3246 02:34:10.719 --> 02:34:12.680 went out a long time before that night. It didn't 3247 02:34:12.719 --> 02:34:15.319 just go out that night before. Security guards fall asleep 3248 02:34:15.319 --> 02:34:20.479 at night all the time he attempted suicide, I believe 3249 02:34:20.559 --> 02:34:22.680 eighteen days before, eighteen days. 3250 02:34:22.520 --> 02:34:24.680 Before, he said that his roommate tried to kill him. 3251 02:34:24.840 --> 02:34:26.600 Did you know that? Do you know his roommate was 3252 02:34:26.600 --> 02:34:29.120 a cop that had killed four people in contract killings. 3253 02:34:29.559 --> 02:34:34.639 His roommate, his cellmate, was a murderer. He was a 3254 02:34:34.680 --> 02:34:37.159 guy who was a drug dealing cop who had killed 3255 02:34:37.280 --> 02:34:41.479 four people in contract killings. And that was his fucking jailmate, 3256 02:34:41.719 --> 02:34:44.159 and eighteen days before he said that guy tried to 3257 02:34:44.200 --> 02:34:46.600 kill him, but he said, is there an look at 3258 02:34:46.680 --> 02:34:50.200 that guy? That is his fucking cellmate. Why would you 3259 02:34:50.360 --> 02:34:52.600 put a guy who's one of the most high profile 3260 02:34:52.680 --> 02:34:55.879 defendants in any case ever in a cell with a 3261 02:34:56.040 --> 02:34:59.920 hired killer who's a giant gorilla like this huge, fucking 3262 02:35:00.520 --> 02:35:01.760 jacked Italian guy. 3263 02:35:02.000 --> 02:35:04.000 But he wasn't in the cell with him that night. 3264 02:35:04.040 --> 02:35:04.360 He was by. 3265 02:35:04.440 --> 02:35:08.159 He was the guy who eighteen days before Epstein said, 3266 02:35:08.239 --> 02:35:09.079 tried to kill him. 3267 02:35:09.120 --> 02:35:12.120 But Epstein tried to kill himself. I don't think there's 3268 02:35:12.120 --> 02:35:13.239 any doubt about that, right. 3269 02:35:13.680 --> 02:35:16.520 I don't know if there's I've never seen him say it, 3270 02:35:16.600 --> 02:35:18.959 but I do know that he said that guy tried 3271 02:35:19.000 --> 02:35:22.000 to kill him and they found him unresponsive eighteen days 3272 02:35:22.040 --> 02:35:26.200 before he said that guy tried to kill him. I 3273 02:35:26.360 --> 02:35:27.239 was trying to get money. 3274 02:35:27.239 --> 02:35:28.440 Couldn't you have lied about. 3275 02:35:28.239 --> 02:35:33.600 That video outside celled during Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide attempt 3276 02:35:33.680 --> 02:35:36.920 no longer exists? How weird? Yeah, why would he lie 3277 02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:40.559 about that? He's because he doesn't have a guy who 3278 02:35:40.600 --> 02:35:43.000 He's already saying, this guy's trying to extort him. He's 3279 02:35:43.000 --> 02:35:45.000 already saying this guy's trying to get money from him. 3280 02:35:45.200 --> 02:35:48.399 And this guy is a known killer. He's killed four 3281 02:35:48.440 --> 02:35:51.600 people in contract killings. How did you not know about that? 3282 02:35:51.799 --> 02:35:52.879 I will say it's possible. 3283 02:35:52.959 --> 02:35:54.120 On how did you not know about that? 3284 02:35:54.520 --> 02:35:55.239 I did know about that. 3285 02:35:55.479 --> 02:35:58.520 You knew about the guy being a contract killer? Yeah, 3286 02:35:58.520 --> 02:35:58.840 I knew. 3287 02:35:58.879 --> 02:36:00.559 I knew that story. But I mean, he didn't have 3288 02:36:00.639 --> 02:36:02.280 a cell mate at the night of his death. 3289 02:36:02.399 --> 02:36:02.559 Right. 3290 02:36:03.200 --> 02:36:04.760 That was one of the mistakes they made, is that 3291 02:36:04.799 --> 02:36:06.680 because he was on suwis to be on suicide watch, 3292 02:36:07.000 --> 02:36:08.760 he was supposed to have a cell mate, didn't have 3293 02:36:08.799 --> 02:36:09.920 a cell mate. I think that. 3294 02:36:10.079 --> 02:36:12.360 Look, I know, but eighteen days before he did have 3295 02:36:12.440 --> 02:36:14.639 a cell mate. Eighteen days before he said that guy 3296 02:36:14.719 --> 02:36:15.399 tried to kill him. 3297 02:36:15.399 --> 02:36:17.280 But eighteen days before he tried to commit suicide. 3298 02:36:17.959 --> 02:36:20.120 I don't know if that's true. Though, I don't know 3299 02:36:20.200 --> 02:36:22.280 if that's true. I don't know why they would put 3300 02:36:22.360 --> 02:36:24.079 him in jail with a contract killer. 3301 02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:27.159 Well, I mean, how many who's in that jail aren't 3302 02:36:27.159 --> 02:36:28.399 the people in that jail? Pretty rough? 3303 02:36:28.600 --> 02:36:32.840 His cell mate is a contract killer. Why would he 3304 02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:36.079 be in a cell with a cop who's a contract killed? 3305 02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:39.159 I mean aren't there a lot of the night Jeffrey. 3306 02:36:38.799 --> 02:36:40.959 Epstein claimed a cell mate tried to kill him. New 3307 02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:44.520 documents revealed Jeffrey Epstein claimed his salemate tried to kill 3308 02:36:44.600 --> 02:36:46.000 him in an incident before his death. 3309 02:36:46.799 --> 02:36:49.440 Yeah, but we don't, okay, but I don't know that's true. 3310 02:36:49.520 --> 02:36:52.239 Oh yeah, why are you dismissing it? 3311 02:36:52.360 --> 02:36:54.680 I'm not dismissing it. Joe will come out. 3312 02:36:54.680 --> 02:36:57.280 I'm just saying, like, looking to dismiss it. 3313 02:36:57.440 --> 02:37:00.520 No, I'm saying I was confident it was a homicide. 3314 02:37:00.639 --> 02:37:03.600 And now you are you aware of this? Yeah? 3315 02:37:03.719 --> 02:37:05.639 Of course all that you were aware that he tried 3316 02:37:05.680 --> 02:37:08.600 to kill us? Of course that he said that. 3317 02:37:09.079 --> 02:37:10.799 Well, how come you never brought it up before? You 3318 02:37:11.319 --> 02:37:12.680 seem shocked when I brought it up. 3319 02:37:12.680 --> 02:37:15.040 Well, because because my understanding is it was a suicide 3320 02:37:15.040 --> 02:37:16.479 attempt eighteen days be okay. 3321 02:37:16.799 --> 02:37:19.639 But if he said this guy tried to kill him 3322 02:37:19.959 --> 02:37:22.680 eight the eighteen days before, why didn't you take that 3323 02:37:22.760 --> 02:37:24.120 into consideration? No, it is. 3324 02:37:24.239 --> 02:37:26.239 I mean, I'm just saying that was that was more 3325 02:37:26.319 --> 02:37:27.760 like when I don't. 3326 02:37:27.559 --> 02:37:29.399 Seem like you took it into consideration at all, and 3327 02:37:29.440 --> 02:37:30.440 I'm looking to dismiss it. 3328 02:37:30.520 --> 02:37:33.280 I didn't know I I My view earlier was that 3329 02:37:33.399 --> 02:37:36.639 it was a homicide because the highway bone doesn't break 3330 02:37:36.719 --> 02:37:39.920 when you have hangings. He said he didn't want to 3331 02:37:39.920 --> 02:37:44.319 commit suicide. The video went out, the security guards are asleep. 3332 02:37:44.600 --> 02:37:46.879 I mean, this was a There was a huge investigation 3333 02:37:47.000 --> 02:37:50.040 of this by the Inspector General. So the number of 3334 02:37:50.200 --> 02:37:52.159 people that would have had to been involved in this 3335 02:37:52.319 --> 02:37:54.639 conspiracy and cover up is very large, and it's a 3336 02:37:54.719 --> 02:37:57.719 large number of people who are in this job for 3337 02:37:58.040 --> 02:38:00.200 to be do gooders, and so I'm very I mean 3338 02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:01.520 that's look, maybe they're. 3339 02:38:01.399 --> 02:38:04.399 Okay, so maybe evidence they're not in the job to 3340 02:38:04.479 --> 02:38:07.760 be they are. Sometimes they're in the job to be 3341 02:38:07.879 --> 02:38:11.399 do gooders. Sometimes they're influenced by very powerful figures that 3342 02:38:11.479 --> 02:38:14.879 want a particular result. Does that not happen? But we 3343 02:38:15.000 --> 02:38:17.079 undersold on a second, does that not happen in the 3344 02:38:17.120 --> 02:38:20.079 real world? It does, right, And wouldn't you imagine if 3345 02:38:20.079 --> 02:38:23.719 you're dealing with multiple billionaires that may be compromised by 3346 02:38:23.719 --> 02:38:26.159 the evidence that this guy's going to relay in a trial, 3347 02:38:26.600 --> 02:38:28.200 that that would be one of the times that they 3348 02:38:28.200 --> 02:38:29.840 would want to exert that kind of influence. 3349 02:38:30.000 --> 02:38:32.159 It's possible, and like I said in our piece, we 3350 02:38:32.280 --> 02:38:34.760 wrote it's possible, but I think at this point we 3351 02:38:34.799 --> 02:38:36.959 don't know. I don't think we have the evidence either way. 3352 02:38:37.520 --> 02:38:39.959 And and that's for me. That's the change I went 3353 02:38:40.000 --> 02:38:41.760 from I think it was a homicide to now I 3354 02:38:41.840 --> 02:38:45.239 don't know. I didn't understand that he committed suicide eighteen 3355 02:38:45.280 --> 02:38:45.799 days before. 3356 02:38:46.040 --> 02:38:50.239 No, no, no, he didn't commit A cellmate tried to 3357 02:38:50.360 --> 02:38:52.079 kill him eighteen days before. 3358 02:38:52.360 --> 02:38:54.239 That's what he said, right. 3359 02:38:54.879 --> 02:38:59.840 They found him unresponsive, He said, my cellmate tried to 3360 02:39:00.120 --> 02:39:00.440 kill me. 3361 02:39:00.600 --> 02:39:02.159 Yeah, but well, how do we know that? Why would 3362 02:39:02.159 --> 02:39:02.479 we think? 3363 02:39:02.559 --> 02:39:05.200 Okay? And then was it reported that it was an 3364 02:39:05.200 --> 02:39:07.479 attempted suicide to try to dismiss the fact that his 3365 02:39:07.559 --> 02:39:09.879 cellmate was trying to kill him because they wanted his 3366 02:39:09.959 --> 02:39:11.479 cellmate to kill him. We don't know. 3367 02:39:12.000 --> 02:39:14.719 But but you can't dismiss that the psychologist thought he 3368 02:39:14.840 --> 02:39:18.719 was suicidal. They you know, I think a minus saying 3369 02:39:18.799 --> 02:39:20.479 he could have lied about the room. He didn't want 3370 02:39:20.479 --> 02:39:23.680 to have a roommate. That's like, why and they didn't 3371 02:39:23.680 --> 02:39:24.239 have a roommate. 3372 02:39:24.440 --> 02:39:26.319 I want to have a roommate who was a fucking 3373 02:39:26.440 --> 02:39:30.200 contract killer. Well it was a sociopathic cop who killed 3374 02:39:30.319 --> 02:39:31.000 four guys. 3375 02:39:31.440 --> 02:39:33.559 But if you're if you're a contract killer and you're 3376 02:39:33.600 --> 02:39:38.000 in Epstein's cell, why would you want Epstein to die 3377 02:39:38.040 --> 02:39:39.120 in yourself. 3378 02:39:39.159 --> 02:39:40.879 Because you want to kill him because people are going 3379 02:39:40.920 --> 02:39:44.760 to give you like extra cigarettes at the commissary dos no, 3380 02:39:44.920 --> 02:39:46.680 But who fucking knows? We don't know is a guy 3381 02:39:46.680 --> 02:39:49.760 who already kills people and he's in jail forever. He's 3382 02:39:49.799 --> 02:39:52.600 going to be in jail forever. So for that guy, 3383 02:39:52.799 --> 02:39:54.280 you say, would you kill that guy for me? 3384 02:39:54.399 --> 02:39:54.559 Like that? 3385 02:39:54.879 --> 02:39:56.360 It's not even much of a stretch. 3386 02:39:56.440 --> 02:39:57.920 It's not much of a stretch that Epstein would have 3387 02:39:57.959 --> 02:39:58.479 killed himself. 3388 02:39:59.399 --> 02:40:01.399 It's not much stress that that guy killed him either. 3389 02:40:01.440 --> 02:40:03.520 If if he's telling the truth that there was a 3390 02:40:03.600 --> 02:40:06.079 report eighteen days before that that guy tried to kill. 3391 02:40:06.040 --> 02:40:07.719 Him, we just don't know. I mean, that's what we 3392 02:40:07.920 --> 02:40:08.520 really don't know. 3393 02:40:08.600 --> 02:40:10.159 But I don't understand why you would want to make 3394 02:40:10.200 --> 02:40:12.360 the conclusion that he tried to kill himself, and that 3395 02:40:12.479 --> 02:40:16.239 this guy who's a contract killer was not actually trying 3396 02:40:16.280 --> 02:40:19.120 to kill him when he said he was eighteen days before. 3397 02:40:19.319 --> 02:40:22.600 Well, Joe, I mean, I please don't misrepresent. I'm saying 3398 02:40:22.600 --> 02:40:24.719 I don't know, and that the change for me is 3399 02:40:24.799 --> 02:40:28.360 going from really looking like a homicide to really not 3400 02:40:28.600 --> 02:40:31.600 knowing because there's some evidence that I had not considered before. 3401 02:40:31.440 --> 02:40:33.559 That, right, you know, the guy who did the autopsy 3402 02:40:33.680 --> 02:40:36.840 was the guy from that autopsy show on HBO who 3403 02:40:37.120 --> 02:40:39.520 his name is Michael Baden and he was famous. 3404 02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:40.239 The official autopsy. 3405 02:40:40.280 --> 02:40:43.399 No, no, no, the one his brother authorized, because I 3406 02:40:43.440 --> 02:40:46.200 don't think though he is a medical examine he's a 3407 02:40:46.200 --> 02:40:46.719 medical exam. 3408 02:40:46.840 --> 02:40:48.959 He's also famous for he's also paid. 3409 02:40:49.399 --> 02:40:54.000 Site conducted a post suicide Watch report. Epstein denied suicidality 3410 02:40:55.200 --> 02:40:58.360 and stated I have no interest in killing myself and 3411 02:40:58.600 --> 02:41:01.159 that it would be crazy to take his life. All 3412 02:41:01.280 --> 02:41:04.079 the though he was depressed and unhappy about his current 3413 02:41:04.200 --> 02:41:07.559 legal situation. He was told he will remain on psychological 3414 02:41:07.639 --> 02:41:09.079 observation in the near term. 3415 02:41:09.399 --> 02:41:11.200 He said, like you see him in there, he says. 3416 02:41:11.639 --> 02:41:13.680 He says he didn't recall he got the marks on 3417 02:41:13.760 --> 02:41:15.200 his neck, so he didn't blame that on him. 3418 02:41:15.280 --> 02:41:18.200 But no, no, no, that's that's here. But the other 3419 02:41:18.440 --> 02:41:21.639 details from the other report said that he complained that 3420 02:41:21.719 --> 02:41:24.440 the guy tried to kill himself, that did his cellmate 3421 02:41:24.559 --> 02:41:25.440 rather try to kill him. 3422 02:41:25.719 --> 02:41:26.680 Can you go back back? 3423 02:41:26.680 --> 02:41:27.879 Okay, we can find that again. 3424 02:41:27.959 --> 02:41:31.040 But I I don't think but Joe, I think that 3425 02:41:31.239 --> 02:41:32.920 I don't think that you find it. Okay, I don't 3426 02:41:32.959 --> 02:41:34.520 think you've got it. I don't know you've got the 3427 02:41:34.639 --> 02:41:36.440 I don't think you've I don't think we've nailed the 3428 02:41:36.719 --> 02:41:37.879 case that was a homicide at all. 3429 02:41:37.920 --> 02:41:40.879 Well, I'm not saying that I know, yeah, but I'm saying, okay, 3430 02:41:40.959 --> 02:41:43.120 so then we agree we don't know. Yes, but you're 3431 02:41:43.200 --> 02:41:47.000 dismissing these major factors of him, not dismissing a cell 3432 02:41:47.079 --> 02:41:49.559 with a contract killer, him saying eighteen days before the 3433 02:41:49.559 --> 02:41:52.000 guy tried to kill him, then finding one responsive that 3434 02:41:52.079 --> 02:41:54.319 someone tried to strangle him eighteen days before. 3435 02:41:54.600 --> 02:41:56.680 Yeah, but I mean there's just as you can make 3436 02:41:56.719 --> 02:41:58.799 a case either way, is my point. You can make 3437 02:41:58.840 --> 02:41:59.719 the case that he was it. 3438 02:41:59.760 --> 02:42:02.479 Was, you can, but at a certain point in time, 3439 02:42:02.520 --> 02:42:05.760 when enough circumstantial evidence. It's fucking weird, like the cameras 3440 02:42:05.840 --> 02:42:07.360 being down, the guards being asleep. 3441 02:42:07.520 --> 02:42:09.319 The cameras were down, I think, I don't want to, 3442 02:42:09.319 --> 02:42:11.120 don't call me in exactly, But they weren't down like 3443 02:42:11.239 --> 02:42:13.440 that day before or something. They were down for a 3444 02:42:13.520 --> 02:42:16.479 while before, and the security guards fall asleep all the time. 3445 02:42:18.159 --> 02:42:21.719 What did you find about him. The roommate trying to 3446 02:42:21.799 --> 02:42:22.120 kill him. 3447 02:42:22.360 --> 02:42:24.639 I mean, this is this is like very report of it. 3448 02:42:24.680 --> 02:42:26.159 I was trying to find his but this is in 3449 02:42:26.280 --> 02:42:31.719 this uh here he's found in the fetal position, laying 3450 02:42:31.760 --> 02:42:32.600 on the floor snore. 3451 02:42:32.719 --> 02:42:37.479 Epstein told officers that Taglioni cellmate, had tried to kill 3452 02:42:37.559 --> 02:42:41.120 him and that had been harassing him. Taglioni claimed he 3453 02:42:41.200 --> 02:42:43.440 had been asleep and woke up to see Epstein with 3454 02:42:43.479 --> 02:42:46.040 a string around his neck. Does that make sense? 3455 02:42:46.120 --> 02:42:50.719 Well, actually, but Joe just to tried to kill him 3456 02:42:50.760 --> 02:42:53.280 and if Epstein but so and the result of this 3457 02:42:53.440 --> 02:42:55.799 is that Epstein doesn't have a cell mate, right, so 3458 02:42:55.920 --> 02:42:58.040 Epstein doesn't want to happen. If you want to kill yourself, 3459 02:42:58.120 --> 02:43:02.479 you don't want a cell mate. So you can go 3460 02:43:02.559 --> 02:43:03.680 over the same amount of fact. 3461 02:43:03.680 --> 02:43:05.399 If you want to go God to God to go 3462 02:43:05.559 --> 02:43:07.879 back and finish the job, you shut the cameras off 3463 02:43:07.920 --> 02:43:09.719 and you open the cell and you'll let this guy 3464 02:43:09.840 --> 02:43:10.159 kill him. 3465 02:43:10.159 --> 02:43:12.719 But they shut cameras off. When they shut the cameras off, though. 3466 02:43:12.920 --> 02:43:17.680 It doesn't matter, there's no because they the video that's 3467 02:43:17.719 --> 02:43:19.840 there has been edited. The one video they show of 3468 02:43:19.920 --> 02:43:21.959 the outside of the cell a minute's missing from it. 3469 02:43:22.200 --> 02:43:23.559 There's a lot of weird shit to it. 3470 02:43:23.719 --> 02:43:26.920 Man, I agree, but it's not where you should arrive 3471 02:43:27.040 --> 02:43:29.440 on in my view, where the facts lead you is 3472 02:43:29.479 --> 02:43:32.799 that we don't know and so that's that's that's a 3473 02:43:32.840 --> 02:43:34.879 different city than just saying that's safe. 3474 02:43:35.040 --> 02:43:37.000 Well no, but it is kind of fucking weird that 3475 02:43:37.040 --> 02:43:39.040 he's in a cell with a contract killer. Kind of 3476 02:43:39.079 --> 02:43:41.120 fucking weird that he made a complaint that the contract 3477 02:43:41.200 --> 02:43:43.680 killer tried to kill him eighteen days before. 3478 02:43:43.879 --> 02:43:46.079 Not if you're trying to did they remove that guy 3479 02:43:46.120 --> 02:43:46.600 from his cell? 3480 02:43:46.719 --> 02:43:48.280 Is that what happens? He did? 3481 02:43:48.360 --> 02:43:50.680 Yeah, he's by himself obviously the night he killed himself 3482 02:43:50.799 --> 02:43:52.639 or or was killed or. 3483 02:43:52.840 --> 02:43:56.399 Was killed find the did you find the email where 3484 02:43:56.479 --> 02:44:01.520 he's talking about the lady on the island where that 3485 02:44:01.600 --> 02:44:04.159 she's saying that we brought children to an that someone 3486 02:44:04.239 --> 02:44:05.360 brought children to an island. 3487 02:44:05.600 --> 02:44:09.000 Remember, he's faced with life in prison. He loved his 3488 02:44:09.600 --> 02:44:13.719 decadend hedonistic life. There's plenty of motivations for him to 3489 02:44:13.760 --> 02:44:15.520 kill himself rather than live in prison the rest of 3490 02:44:15.559 --> 02:44:17.600 his life. Right, and remember recently, and I think it 3491 02:44:17.680 --> 02:44:19.719 was like a day or two before he lost his 3492 02:44:19.799 --> 02:44:22.120 bail appeal, so he thought he'd get on bail. He 3493 02:44:22.120 --> 02:44:23.799 didn't even get it on bail. It's gonna be stuck there. 3494 02:44:25.920 --> 02:44:29.280 The psychologist didn't believe him, she thought he was suicidal, 3495 02:44:30.040 --> 02:44:32.559 and and so they are. So one way you interpreted 3496 02:44:32.680 --> 02:44:35.079 is that they messed up. They did a bad job 3497 02:44:35.399 --> 02:44:37.600 they and they should have They should have known that 3498 02:44:37.680 --> 02:44:39.799 he was suicidal, and they should have had a roommate there. 3499 02:44:39.879 --> 02:44:42.120 They they guard shanof Honestly, they should have fixed the 3500 02:44:42.159 --> 02:44:42.760 video camera. 3501 02:44:43.280 --> 02:44:45.479 I just can't imagine you have such a high profile 3502 02:44:45.600 --> 02:44:48.000 defendant and you're not watching him like a fucking hawk. 3503 02:44:49.040 --> 02:44:50.799 I would imagine a guy like that would be in 3504 02:44:50.879 --> 02:44:55.680 protective custody with you know, no fucking shoelaces, no way 3505 02:44:55.719 --> 02:44:56.440 to hang himself. 3506 02:44:56.600 --> 02:44:59.040 I think you overestimate our prison system. 3507 02:44:59.680 --> 02:45:01.959 I would. I think that you would do your very 3508 02:45:02.120 --> 02:45:04.840 best in this case to make sure that this guy 3509 02:45:04.959 --> 02:45:05.399 is watched. 3510 02:45:05.479 --> 02:45:07.120 They didn't. They bring him to me, they didn't they 3511 02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:08.680 they should have had a roommate in a cell, and 3512 02:45:08.719 --> 02:45:09.079 they didn't. 3513 02:45:09.399 --> 02:45:12.079 Well, they put him in a fucking cell with a killer. 3514 02:45:12.399 --> 02:45:13.799 So it seems a little bit more than that. 3515 02:45:13.959 --> 02:45:15.440 But when you say it that way, you make it 3516 02:45:15.520 --> 02:45:17.040 sound like the killer was in the cell the night 3517 02:45:17.079 --> 02:45:17.680 he was killed. 3518 02:45:17.879 --> 02:45:19.719 I make it sound like this killer was in the 3519 02:45:19.799 --> 02:45:21.559 cell with him when he says the killer tried. 3520 02:45:21.440 --> 02:45:24.040 To kill him, right, but or he that's trying to 3521 02:45:24.120 --> 02:45:24.639 kill himself. 3522 02:45:24.719 --> 02:45:25.360 That a little weird. 3523 02:45:25.719 --> 02:45:27.760 Why didn't the guy do it? Then? Why didn't it work? 3524 02:45:27.879 --> 02:45:30.440 Well, he probably choked him unconscious and thought he was 3525 02:45:30.520 --> 02:45:33.680 dead and he survived. They found him unresponsive, or he. 3526 02:45:33.760 --> 02:45:36.200 Tried to kill himself, and then when they said why 3527 02:45:36.239 --> 02:45:37.639 did you try to kill himself, he blames it on 3528 02:45:37.639 --> 02:45:39.600 the roommate, so he doesn't have to have a roommate anymore. 3529 02:45:40.879 --> 02:45:44.879 It's possible. Yeah, so find that email where he says 3530 02:45:44.959 --> 02:45:45.760 that it's him. 3531 02:45:46.079 --> 02:45:49.079 I'm trying to I don't have access to the files 3532 02:45:49.120 --> 02:45:51.000 that right now. That the thing I was using is gone. 3533 02:45:51.319 --> 02:45:52.280 Yeah, it's gone. 3534 02:45:54.000 --> 02:45:56.760 Ian Carroll's app was really good and it is. They've 3535 02:45:56.799 --> 02:45:58.280 taken a down book as they're to make it public. 3536 02:45:58.399 --> 02:46:03.479 That was only Gmail jmails. I've got so many fun 3537 02:46:03.639 --> 02:46:05.319 tabs open. You guys moved around, so if you kind 3538 02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:07.079 of go, so for me, if I go, if I go. 3539 02:46:07.559 --> 02:46:09.600 We don't know if it was a homicide or suicide. 3540 02:46:10.520 --> 02:46:13.520 The intelligence community work was appears to we have a 3541 02:46:13.559 --> 02:46:15.719 long time ago and he was a contractor. 3542 02:46:16.040 --> 02:46:16.440 Mm hmm. 3543 02:46:16.559 --> 02:46:19.159 We don't have any other evidence of a sex blackmail 3544 02:46:19.559 --> 02:46:22.079 operation other than that email. Now, there is one other 3545 02:46:22.159 --> 02:46:27.840 thing that I thought was one for the theory that 3546 02:46:27.879 --> 02:46:29.799 he's a blackmailer. Is that he put He's like, we 3547 02:46:29.879 --> 02:46:33.000 have emails of him putting cameras in clean xboxes, hidden 3548 02:46:33.000 --> 02:46:36.639 cameras in clean xboxes with motion detectors. Was that in 3549 02:46:36.840 --> 02:46:40.639 order to engage in a blackmail operation or was he 3550 02:46:40.760 --> 02:46:42.280 just was it just a pervert. 3551 02:46:42.079 --> 02:46:47.959 To blackmail people? Okay, your friend H told me about 3552 02:46:47.959 --> 02:46:51.440 the projects he's doing researching a really bad guy gets 3553 02:46:51.559 --> 02:46:55.399 children for sex sent to his island. She almost fainted 3554 02:46:55.520 --> 02:46:59.399 when I told her that person is me. That seems 3555 02:46:59.440 --> 02:46:59.920 pretty clear. 3556 02:47:00.079 --> 02:47:02.680 I think no, No, I think he's saying that she's 3557 02:47:02.719 --> 02:47:05.760 writing a story it was about him. But I don't 3558 02:47:05.760 --> 02:47:09.200 think he's admitting that he's bringing children to his island 3559 02:47:09.200 --> 02:47:09.479 for six. 3560 02:47:09.520 --> 02:47:12.799 I don't know about you, but if I was sending 3561 02:47:12.879 --> 02:47:17.120 an email and I was talking about someone researching someone 3562 02:47:17.159 --> 02:47:20.680 who's sending children to an island for sex, I would 3563 02:47:20.719 --> 02:47:23.520 also include that I let her know that that was bullshit. 3564 02:47:23.600 --> 02:47:25.760 Well, she ends up coming in meeting with them, right, 3565 02:47:25.879 --> 02:47:28.000 you've seen the follow up to this. No, so she 3566 02:47:28.079 --> 02:47:29.360 ends up coming to meeting with her, and I don't 3567 02:47:29.360 --> 02:47:32.040 know if he like gives her money or something or 3568 02:47:32.159 --> 02:47:37.360 funds her, but it's like, yeah, I mean, the thing 3569 02:47:37.440 --> 02:47:39.479 is that, like without justifying I mean, I think that 3570 02:47:39.959 --> 02:47:42.879 after two thousand and eight, there's not I don't think 3571 02:47:42.879 --> 02:47:45.280 there's any evidence, and I could be wrong. There's not 3572 02:47:45.360 --> 02:47:47.440 a lot of evidence that anybody under age came to 3573 02:47:47.799 --> 02:47:51.920 you know that Epstein, you know, abused anybody under eighteen. 3574 02:47:52.000 --> 02:47:55.600 And I'm not defending abusing women over eighteen, but that 3575 02:47:55.680 --> 02:47:57.520 did seem like a pretty big change. 3576 02:47:57.760 --> 02:48:00.639 Epstein associate found dead in Paris prisons. So after he 3577 02:48:00.719 --> 02:48:05.319 said he was gonna flip, shocker, weird. Maybe he gots 3578 02:48:05.360 --> 02:48:05.799 sad too. 3579 02:48:06.000 --> 02:48:08.879 Well, maybe he's one of the co conspirators. I mean, 3580 02:48:08.879 --> 02:48:12.040 people kill themselves a lot. You know, psychopaths also killed 3581 02:48:12.040 --> 02:48:12.639 themselves a lot. 3582 02:48:12.959 --> 02:48:15.520 Also, people get people killed because they're gonna flip. 3583 02:48:16.120 --> 02:48:18.840 It's possible, and it's just, uh, it's just we would 3584 02:48:18.879 --> 02:48:19.680 just need evidence for it. 3585 02:48:20.040 --> 02:48:22.760 Yeah, So this is really if you're going to kill somebody, 3586 02:48:22.760 --> 02:48:24.639 should probably make it so that there's not a lot 3587 02:48:24.680 --> 02:48:29.040 of evidence, right, Yeah, I didn't find it dead. Did 3588 02:48:29.079 --> 02:48:29.760 he kill himself? 3589 02:48:29.840 --> 02:48:31.600 He hung hung in his cell? 3590 02:48:31.879 --> 02:48:33.879 Oh, there's a lot of sheets in there. 3591 02:48:34.000 --> 02:48:36.360 Hunged himself, hanged himself? 3592 02:48:36.920 --> 02:48:39.120 How you gonna weard it? So then it's like should 3593 02:48:39.799 --> 02:48:41.879 So then the theory would be what that Bill Gates 3594 02:48:42.479 --> 02:48:44.959 hired a contract hitler or who did it? 3595 02:48:45.040 --> 02:48:45.200 Then? 3596 02:48:45.440 --> 02:48:48.959 Who knows? Yeah, well who knows what? Who knew what about? 3597 02:48:49.040 --> 02:48:49.719 What and when? 3598 02:48:49.959 --> 02:48:51.280 But I don't think it's the I don't think it's 3599 02:48:51.280 --> 02:48:54.319 the intelligence community because we're not seeing I just were not. 3600 02:48:54.360 --> 02:48:55.920 I mean, Mike came in here and you guys talked 3601 02:48:55.920 --> 02:48:58.040 for a long time, and Mike's not suggesting. 3602 02:48:57.799 --> 02:49:01.520 Well, there's no evidence that it was. I mean, we 3603 02:49:01.600 --> 02:49:04.719 don't have like clear cut he did this and they 3604 02:49:04.840 --> 02:49:07.120 killed these guys because of that. We don't have that, 3605 02:49:07.399 --> 02:49:10.559 right Yeah, so, I mean, but we also don't have 3606 02:49:10.760 --> 02:49:12.200 three million files. 3607 02:49:12.360 --> 02:49:14.280 We also like the things that we don't. He doesn't 3608 02:49:14.479 --> 02:49:16.280 need blackmail to make money. 3609 02:49:16.600 --> 02:49:19.559 Well, he also doesn't need blackmail in order to be 3610 02:49:19.639 --> 02:49:22.280 able to get people to do things and influence them. 3611 02:49:22.799 --> 02:49:25.719 And if you have video of people fucking people and 3612 02:49:25.879 --> 02:49:27.559 doing things they're not supposed to be doing and you're 3613 02:49:27.559 --> 02:49:29.959 giving them drugs and he got them on this island. 3614 02:49:30.000 --> 02:49:33.319 For these wild parties, they're more inclined to do things 3615 02:49:33.440 --> 02:49:35.000 that would do stuff for you. 3616 02:49:35.159 --> 02:49:36.600 I mean, it's possible. I mean, I'll tell you. I mean, 3617 02:49:36.760 --> 02:49:39.360 FBI confiscated a lot of films and videos they had that. 3618 02:49:39.719 --> 02:49:41.639 I was always very suspicious of that. The fact that 3619 02:49:41.680 --> 02:49:44.239 he's talking about hidden cameras and Moshnigga's very bad. 3620 02:49:44.719 --> 02:49:47.159 Well, that was the narrative before that. There was thousands 3621 02:49:47.200 --> 02:49:50.360 of hours hours rather of horrible videos. 3622 02:49:50.600 --> 02:49:53.520 Yeah. Right, so it's possible that there was. Now I 3623 02:49:53.600 --> 02:49:55.760 don't know that I would be. 3624 02:49:56.600 --> 02:49:59.920 Visitors describe at bathroom reminiscent of James Bond movies, hidden 3625 02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:03.120 beneath the stairway, lined with lead to provide shelter from attack, 3626 02:50:03.200 --> 02:50:06.760 and supplied with closed circuit television screens and a telephone, 3627 02:50:07.040 --> 02:50:10.120 both concealed and a cabinet behind the sink, wrote The Times. 3628 02:50:10.440 --> 02:50:15.280 The townhouse now reportedly owned by Wexner's even more mysterious protege, 3629 02:50:15.719 --> 02:50:19.559 Jeffrey Epstein two three. Yeah, so this is even before 3630 02:50:19.600 --> 02:50:20.559 his arrest. Yeah. 3631 02:50:21.040 --> 02:50:22.520 And also the other part of the think of this, 3632 02:50:22.680 --> 02:50:26.319 Remember when Jeff Bezos was blackmailed, and he was just 3633 02:50:26.479 --> 02:50:28.959 like yes, he was like, I'm just gonna well. 3634 02:50:28.879 --> 02:50:32.200 That was just love letters to in Laurence Franchez. They're 3635 02:50:32.200 --> 02:50:34.799 pretty racy, yeah, but I mean it was still it 3636 02:50:34.920 --> 02:50:38.639 was private personal things where he was sending him to 3637 02:50:38.719 --> 02:50:39.479 a woman he loved. 3638 02:50:39.600 --> 02:50:43.440 It shows the risks of engaging in blackmail, and so. 3639 02:50:44.000 --> 02:50:46.319 That seemed out to be a dummy that was like 3640 02:50:46.559 --> 02:50:47.440 someone's brother. 3641 02:50:47.520 --> 02:50:49.799 Yeah right, So but Epstein, I mean, in other words, 3642 02:50:49.959 --> 02:50:52.840 if you use it, like if you actually like use 3643 02:50:52.959 --> 02:50:56.959 your blackmail, I think it's very hard then to maintain 3644 02:50:57.159 --> 02:50:59.680 your reputation as somebody. Now maybe it was sort of 3645 02:50:59.760 --> 02:51:02.920 h never articulated he was attracting people. I mean, what's 3646 02:51:02.959 --> 02:51:05.399 so striking about it is he's attracting people to him. 3647 02:51:05.799 --> 02:51:08.159 He's got all this bonamy. Oh, come hanging out with 3648 02:51:08.239 --> 02:51:11.280 Chomsky and a hud Barrock and all these people. It's 3649 02:51:11.319 --> 02:51:13.719 like a really good time, you know. I think then 3650 02:51:13.799 --> 02:51:15.600 being like, oh I have black mal material on you, 3651 02:51:15.680 --> 02:51:17.040 you need to do it. I mean, he's getting people 3652 02:51:17.159 --> 02:51:20.319 to do what he wants them to do for money, 3653 02:51:21.200 --> 02:51:24.479 you know, for feeling like good vibes, being in on 3654 02:51:24.639 --> 02:51:27.719 some Israeli peace talks. I don't then see him going 3655 02:51:27.799 --> 02:51:30.520 around and maybe I look again, like I totally confest. 3656 02:51:30.639 --> 02:51:33.000 Maybe I just haven't seen the evidence that he's going 3657 02:51:33.040 --> 02:51:35.239 around being like, oh, I have black mal matureial on you. 3658 02:51:35.319 --> 02:51:37.399 You have to do what I want. He got Clinton, 3659 02:51:37.479 --> 02:51:38.399 he probably got. 3660 02:51:38.440 --> 02:51:40.120 Why do you think he's filming everybody? 3661 02:51:40.200 --> 02:51:44.079 Then that is he could be a pervert. I mean, 3662 02:51:44.159 --> 02:51:45.639 there's plenty of evidence of perversion. 3663 02:51:45.760 --> 02:51:45.879 Right. 3664 02:51:47.079 --> 02:51:50.799 Oh, the ranch investigators of finally look into Jeffrey Epstein's 3665 02:51:50.799 --> 02:51:54.280 New Mexico ranch. Federal authorities apparently never searched the property, 3666 02:51:54.399 --> 02:51:58.520 but now state authorities will reopen a twenty nineteen investigation 3667 02:51:58.879 --> 02:52:00.479 about time, it's great. 3668 02:52:00.799 --> 02:52:01.239 It's great. 3669 02:52:01.399 --> 02:52:03.920 Someone on Twitter had or x has a very long 3670 02:52:04.239 --> 02:52:06.200 I was reading it earlier and got bored, but it's 3671 02:52:06.360 --> 02:52:06.760 very long. 3672 02:52:06.799 --> 02:52:10.760 About the link with the lottery, Oh yeah, how they 3673 02:52:10.799 --> 02:52:14.120 won the It's weird. Wait till that if that's accurate, 3674 02:52:14.520 --> 02:52:14.959 it's weird. 3675 02:52:15.040 --> 02:52:16.920 I agree that one's crazy. I mean. 3676 02:52:17.000 --> 02:52:20.559 Mike also points out that he was leased this incredible 3677 02:52:20.719 --> 02:52:23.159 mansion in New York by the State Department, but then 3678 02:52:23.200 --> 02:52:25.959 the State Department like sued him, So it's you know, 3679 02:52:26.000 --> 02:52:27.959 they're like he were quick if he was like really. 3680 02:52:27.879 --> 02:52:30.559 Les Wexner give him a house in Manhattan, and. 3681 02:52:30.639 --> 02:52:32.799 Then well didn't that in the big house that was 3682 02:52:33.040 --> 02:52:37.440 this was a previous mansion given him. Man about that 3683 02:52:37.520 --> 02:52:38.280 thing I told you about. 3684 02:52:38.319 --> 02:52:41.319 Someone found that the person who notarized that ten dollars 3685 02:52:41.360 --> 02:52:45.719 transfer of the house conveniently filmed like the best nine 3686 02:52:45.719 --> 02:52:49.879 to eleven footage. Sure, and that those are the three million, 3687 02:52:50.000 --> 02:52:52.520 Like the timing of those missing files is right around 3688 02:52:52.559 --> 02:52:55.559 the two thousand and one time period. 3689 02:52:55.959 --> 02:52:58.159 Yeah, I mean, I think that what the files are 3690 02:52:58.200 --> 02:52:59.879 important is that we saw he's able to make his 3691 02:53:00.559 --> 02:53:03.799 as a high level fixer. We saw people were really 3692 02:53:03.879 --> 02:53:07.120 into him. People loved him. He was magnetic. He's able 3693 02:53:07.159 --> 02:53:09.600 to get people to do things that he wants without 3694 02:53:09.760 --> 02:53:13.000 using that as a tool. And we're not seeing I 3695 02:53:13.120 --> 02:53:14.879 just don't see we're I don't think we're seeing any 3696 02:53:15.200 --> 02:53:18.520 signs or footprints or any of that of engaging in blackmail. 3697 02:53:18.719 --> 02:53:23.239 We have the cameras, we don't have half of the files. Yeah, 3698 02:53:24.040 --> 02:53:27.520 what we have is weird. The grape soda, the shrimp, 3699 02:53:27.600 --> 02:53:31.920 the pizza references, the jerky, all that stuff. This lady 3700 02:53:32.079 --> 02:53:35.159 saying that there's an island where a bad guy's bringing 3701 02:53:35.239 --> 02:53:37.360 children for sex. She almost fainted when I said that 3702 02:53:37.440 --> 02:53:40.520 person's me. All this stuff is kind of fucked. Well right, yeah, 3703 02:53:40.520 --> 02:53:41.959 would you admit it's kind of fucked? 3704 02:53:42.120 --> 02:53:45.120 The shrimp's one they're definitely talking about. They're objectifying with 3705 02:53:45.200 --> 02:53:47.120 children for sex, and you think that's kind of fucked. 3706 02:53:47.399 --> 02:53:50.479 I think it's I think that he was. I mean 3707 02:53:50.600 --> 02:53:52.879 my interpretation, I mean, one interpretation of it is that, yeah, 3708 02:53:52.920 --> 02:53:57.200 he's freely admitting on an email that he's trafficking children. 3709 02:53:57.319 --> 02:54:00.319 I find that difficult to believe that you would put that. 3710 02:54:00.440 --> 02:54:02.159 I mean, if you're gonna say that, he doesn't put 3711 02:54:02.159 --> 02:54:03.920 the blackmail stuff in an email, but he's gonna put 3712 02:54:03.959 --> 02:54:06.760 in an email that he's bringing children to the island. 3713 02:54:06.879 --> 02:54:10.319 I mean, I think he's being sarcastic there. I think 3714 02:54:10.360 --> 02:54:12.959 he's saying, oh, that guy is me, Like that's what 3715 02:54:13.079 --> 02:54:13.879 they say about me. 3716 02:54:14.399 --> 02:54:17.840 Why wouldn't you elaborate and say, I mean, if you're. 3717 02:54:17.760 --> 02:54:20.719 Sending the person, the person who sends it to knows 3718 02:54:20.760 --> 02:54:24.639 that it's not true. I mean, I think that person 3719 02:54:24.760 --> 02:54:26.559 works for him, right, Masha, Is that one of the 3720 02:54:26.600 --> 02:54:30.559 women that he had. I I just I don't think 3721 02:54:30.600 --> 02:54:31.879 that's him saying I'm. 3722 02:54:32.200 --> 02:54:36.319 Maybe yeah, maybe all right, Uh, we gotta wrap this up. 3723 02:54:36.360 --> 02:54:36.879 Anything else? 3724 02:54:37.680 --> 02:54:40.280 I got one? I got someone gave me a video. 3725 02:54:40.319 --> 02:54:42.079 I thought I can share it with you guys. What 3726 02:54:42.600 --> 02:54:45.879 a uf video? Oh wait, we make a tindition to 3727 02:54:46.280 --> 02:54:49.840 end every sash with a can. I send it to Jamie? 3728 02:54:50.000 --> 02:54:55.079 Yeah, you get air drop? It Is it compelling? More 3729 02:54:55.159 --> 02:55:00.879 compelling than Yahweh's video? You don't like the video? All right? 3730 02:55:01.000 --> 02:55:01.479 It's fun? 3731 02:55:01.680 --> 02:55:02.319 Is it compelling? 3732 02:55:02.399 --> 02:55:02.639 All right? 3733 02:55:02.680 --> 02:55:05.239 I mean you guys will decide or not here I 3734 02:55:05.319 --> 02:55:08.239 send it to Okay, that's just something. Yeah, I was 3735 02:55:08.280 --> 02:55:12.879 curious about Oh, I was gonna you know Elon? You 3736 02:55:12.959 --> 02:55:15.520 think you think Elon knows more than he's like about you? 3737 02:55:15.600 --> 02:55:16.959 Apses? How is that? 3738 02:55:17.000 --> 02:55:17.559 How do you know that? 3739 02:55:18.559 --> 02:55:22.239 Well, because he works with NASA. If he knows something, 3740 02:55:22.319 --> 02:55:24.200 he knows something. Also, some people have. 3741 02:55:24.280 --> 02:55:25.879 Told me that he knows something, But don't you ask 3742 02:55:25.959 --> 02:55:26.440 him privately? 3743 02:55:26.559 --> 02:55:28.600 He don't tell me shit. Okay, I got a big mouth. 3744 02:55:28.959 --> 02:55:31.799 I asked somebody that was high up in his operation. 3745 02:55:32.239 --> 02:55:33.079 Yeah, we were. 3746 02:55:33.440 --> 02:55:35.520 We were on the record, but I won't reveal who 3747 02:55:35.559 --> 02:55:38.120 they are. What they said, and they go, I said, 3748 02:55:38.159 --> 02:55:39.799 you guys must be I was like at SpaceX, you 3749 02:55:39.799 --> 02:55:41.799 guys must just like have to don't you have to 3750 02:55:41.920 --> 02:55:44.680 edit out like UFOs that you get, you know. And 3751 02:55:44.920 --> 02:55:46.760 the person just looked at me and they just said 3752 02:55:47.280 --> 02:55:49.639 Elon's really close with the federal government. That was all 3753 02:55:49.680 --> 02:55:50.000 they said. 3754 02:55:50.079 --> 02:55:58.079 Good, all right, let's play this, just play. What am 3755 02:55:58.120 --> 02:55:58.600 I looking at? 3756 02:55:59.000 --> 02:56:01.520 This is her? Is her video in here? I think 3757 02:56:01.559 --> 02:56:02.719 she shows I think she zooms in. 3758 02:56:05.200 --> 02:56:06.280 I don't know what we're looking at. 3759 02:56:07.559 --> 02:56:08.399 It's here in Texas. 3760 02:56:10.200 --> 02:56:17.360 What are you looking at? Lady? Okay, it's like most 3761 02:56:17.399 --> 02:56:20.959 of you have videos. It gets better. 3762 02:56:20.840 --> 02:56:24.520 Thirty seconds guys, okay, ripping out right now. 3763 02:56:25.200 --> 02:56:30.079 It looks she's tripping. It's you know her, she your friend? 3764 02:56:31.280 --> 02:56:31.520 Is that? 3765 02:56:33.719 --> 02:56:34.520 Is she intoxicated? 3766 02:56:34.559 --> 02:56:36.319 I think no, no, she's not. And this is like 3767 02:56:36.600 --> 02:56:39.479 not far from here, it's somewhere in Texas. I think 3768 02:56:39.520 --> 02:56:40.559 she zooms in at the end. 3769 02:56:43.319 --> 02:56:45.440 Well, we still got ten seconds for it to get good. 3770 02:56:45.799 --> 02:56:46.319 That is. 3771 02:56:48.680 --> 02:56:49.440 Oh my god? 3772 02:56:49.920 --> 02:56:53.159 What oh she doesn't I thought she had a when 3773 02:56:53.159 --> 02:56:56.840 she once she showed me she zoomed in on disappointed. 3774 02:56:58.280 --> 02:56:59.639 Probably cut that all out? 3775 02:57:00.879 --> 02:57:03.440 All right, let's wrap it up. Thanks sir, appreciate having 3776 02:57:03.440 --> 02:57:05.360 me Jacks to me here. All right, bye, everybody,