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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Here on the Dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Christy Vernon Brown and for Dan today because he's

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<v Speaker 3>at trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining in.

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<v Speaker 3>We have been talking about bills down to state legislature

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<v Speaker 3>and just a huge variety of crime bills that would

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<v Speaker 3>keep Colorado safe that have been killed almost entirely on

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<v Speaker 3>a party line vote in committee after committee retail, THEFT bills,

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<v Speaker 3>bill's fixing pr bonds, bill's fixing our sanctuary state status,

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<v Speaker 3>and they just are they're run.

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<v Speaker 2>By good legislators. They would be supported by the.

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<v Speaker 3>People, as we saw on the Truth and Sentencing and

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<v Speaker 3>other public safety ballot measures run last year. But when

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<v Speaker 3>you come down to a committee that is controlled by

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats right now, they are being criminal friendly, not

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<v Speaker 3>victim friendly. And we see this in every single one

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<v Speaker 3>of these votes that we've been talking about. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>we are joined by Representative Brandy Bradley Hooman to bring

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<v Speaker 3>on in just a second. She was running a really

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<v Speaker 3>good bill this year that would have stopped Colorado's insane

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<v Speaker 3>standard for giving probation to child rapists. And yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>heard that right, that's what Colorado does. Representative Bradley, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for joining me on the Dan Kapla show.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh thank you Christy for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it absolutely well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I was reading George Brockler's article talking about

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<v Speaker 3>your bill and he calls it probation for child rape

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<v Speaker 3>in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>Question mark, yes, really, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes on to explain how this is something that actually

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<v Speaker 3>happens in Colorado. Can you explain the situation a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit before we get into your bill.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. We were approached by a Brockler's office. I'd done

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<v Speaker 4>some town halls and said, hey, what can I do

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<v Speaker 4>to run some bills for public safety? And his deputy

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<v Speaker 4>chief DA who is a godsend, was like, did you

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<v Speaker 4>know in our state that you can rape a child?

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<v Speaker 4>So you can rate ten children once and creed down

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<v Speaker 4>to probation. And I was like, there's no way that's true.

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<v Speaker 4>And we started digging in on it, and yeah, sixty

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<v Speaker 4>nine people got probation only seventy percent of child rapists

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<v Speaker 4>get probation only in our state.

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<v Speaker 2>That is absolutely insane.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the standard is if you do it once

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<v Speaker 3>to the specific child, you can get out of probation.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it's more than once to that specific child,

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<v Speaker 3>then you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that is what that's what they say. But there's

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<v Speaker 4>they say that it's more than three times that you

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<v Speaker 4>actually get an actual sentence in the DOOC.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, that's horrible. And so what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously your bill fixed it. Can you give a few

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<v Speaker 3>more details on what your bill would have done.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so we already have indeterminate sentencing for soolity four

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<v Speaker 4>and Solony three child assaults sexual folks on a child.

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<v Speaker 4>And so what Representative English and I have great by

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<v Speaker 4>person bill, we have by person people in the Senate

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<v Speaker 4>that were going to cover it. We were just removing

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<v Speaker 4>probation because we knew that seventy percent of these people

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<v Speaker 4>get probation only, and so we were going to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that these sick individuals go to jail and then

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<v Speaker 4>go through sex offender treatment program and then are released

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<v Speaker 4>instead of a slap on the wrist. And the Democrats said, no,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not fair. We want determinate sentencing because criminals need

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<v Speaker 4>to know when they'll go to jail and how long

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<v Speaker 4>they'll spend in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>And so indeterminate sentencing, I think that's probably a term

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<v Speaker 3>that not everyone is familiar with.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain it a little more?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So for a selenty four, let's say position of trust.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the public defenders try to come to the

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<v Speaker 4>scene and say, this is going to happen if you

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<v Speaker 4>stroll past someone on a bus and accidentally touch their buttocks.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not true in the state of Colorado. Soelenty four

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<v Speaker 4>I saw on a child is inappropriate touching through clothing,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's for sexual gratification, arousal, or abuse, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>really hard to prove in a court of law. So

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<v Speaker 4>you have to be the worst of the worst to

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<v Speaker 4>do that. So for that crime you get two to

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<v Speaker 4>six years. So it's an indeterminate amount of sentencing that

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<v Speaker 4>the judge uses his describe two sentence and we know

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<v Speaker 4>the majority of people's sentence for that crime served less

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<v Speaker 4>than a year on that. So then the public defender said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>these people are going to send their whole life because

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<v Speaker 4>the sentencing is to their natural light sometimes as well.

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<v Speaker 4>And we know that the person that has served the

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<v Speaker 4>worst amount of time is the worst offender served less

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<v Speaker 4>than twenty five years the sentencing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, no, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>And it seems like time and time again, we have

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<v Speaker 3>the majority of the Democrats in the legislature, at least

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<v Speaker 3>those who are on the committees, voting on the side

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<v Speaker 3>of criminals and not on the side of victims. Apparently

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<v Speaker 3>not even when it comes to children. Now we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>to Representative Brandy Bradley, who is actually my state representative

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<v Speaker 3>in Douglas County. You're on the Dane Capel Show with

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<v Speaker 3>Christy Burton Brown. And this is a bill that I

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<v Speaker 3>believe just died yesterday in committee.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this morning it went till two thirty am. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you that we didn't get witnesses to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to testify these people that signed up the testify.

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<v Speaker 4>It started at one point thirty the committe Sure, my

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<v Speaker 4>bill did not start until ten PM. And what a

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<v Speaker 4>disservice to the people that wanted to tell their story

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<v Speaker 4>in committee to wrap up at two thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, instead of just continuing the next day or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, that's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you get was anyone allowed to testify on the bill?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they were allowed to testify, but the public defenders

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<v Speaker 4>took so much of the time with their mistruths and

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<v Speaker 4>their false facts. I mean, one of the public defenders

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<v Speaker 4>talked about an autistic child that inappropriately touched someone that

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<v Speaker 4>was going to go to jail for forever. Well it

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<v Speaker 4>turns out he didn't go to jail because he went

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<v Speaker 4>to trial and a judge didn't find any proof. But

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<v Speaker 4>he neglected to talk about these. Another man a youth

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<v Speaker 4>pastor that raped many children in his church that he

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<v Speaker 4>got probation for. So these are the mistruths they bring.

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<v Speaker 4>They bring. There's plenty of people on the wait list

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<v Speaker 4>waiting in there. It's not fair that these criminals aren't

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<v Speaker 4>getting their treatment and getting out of jail, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not fair to these criminals do not have determinate sentencing

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<v Speaker 4>in You know, we don't know that the recidivism. We

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<v Speaker 4>know that keeping these people in jail for longer periods

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<v Speaker 4>of time increases their recidivism. You know what it does, Christy,

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<v Speaker 4>You keep these people in jail It keeps them from

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<v Speaker 4>raping more children, is what it does, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's a fairly obvious conclusion that I think

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<v Speaker 3>the general public would agree with you on if they knew.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's one thing I think.

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<v Speaker 3>As completely unfortunate as it is that these kind of

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<v Speaker 3>bills don't pass committee because even though, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>Representative Bradley, you did have a Democrat co sponsor on

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<v Speaker 3>this bill, I think when it comes to the committees,

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<v Speaker 3>we are almost always seeing a party line vote on committees,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it's not going to the floor and the

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<v Speaker 3>majority of people aren't getting to talk about it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think the fact that both you and District Attorney

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<v Speaker 3>George Brockler are talking about this issue, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>you're not going to stop even though they're killing the bills.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the more these things get exposed.

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<v Speaker 3>To people, the more outrage is created, because the majority

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<v Speaker 3>of people actually do want to protect kids public defenders aside.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think this is just such an important issue

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<v Speaker 3>to highlight and thank you for your work on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, well, I appreciate one more note that the Public

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<v Speaker 4>Defender's office actually said that they have criminals who can't

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<v Speaker 4>stand being on lifetime probation, So they actually asked to

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<v Speaker 4>go to jail, and Representative Codwell actually said, you're telling

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<v Speaker 4>me that someone that is accused of raping a child

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<v Speaker 5>Go to jail.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is the senseless stuff that they come

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<v Speaker 4>and speak about that the people of Colorado need to

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<v Speaker 4>understand that they're actually sitting there telling the committee members

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<v Speaker 4>that these poor people that rape children violently actually would

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<v Speaker 4>rather go to jail because probation is just too much

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<v Speaker 4>for them to endure.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's yeah, just an insane outlook when you're completely

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<v Speaker 3>focused on criminals in their needs when they've already made

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<v Speaker 3>their own choice and they need to be punished for it,

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<v Speaker 3>and victim.

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<v Speaker 2>People completely forget victims.

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<v Speaker 3>I think in this whole equation, too many legislators obviously

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<v Speaker 3>not yourself and not some of your allies in the legislature,

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<v Speaker 3>but too many forget the victims and are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we got to do the criminal justice system perfectly for

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<v Speaker 3>the criminal, but not take care of the victims and

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<v Speaker 3>stop people from being revictimized because we just give people

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<v Speaker 3>chance after chance after chance, and it just doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, no wonder Colorado is the third most dangerous

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<v Speaker 3>state in the nation right now, according to US News

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<v Speaker 3>and World Report, because bills like yours and so many

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<v Speaker 3>others that would keep our states safe are shot down

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<v Speaker 3>time and time again.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and we're four highest for rape and we're ten

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<v Speaker 4>highest for human trafficking. So what are the Democrats doing?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they come to the table and this bill

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<v Speaker 4>is not the answer. Well, what's the answer?

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<v Speaker 2>Because certain, right, what are you wating? Yeah, no, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so true, so true.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we have to take a break here on the

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<v Speaker 3>Dan Kaplo Show. But thank you Representative Brandy Bradley for

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<v Speaker 3>joining us and telling us about your bill that would

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<v Speaker 3>have kept kids safe but got killed in committee.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, thank you, Christy. I appreciate you getting the word. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, that was Representative Brandy Bradley from Douglas County. If

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<v Speaker 3>you have thoughts on this bill or and the others

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<v Speaker 3>we've been talking about, you can call in eight five

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<v Speaker 3>five four zero five eight two five five or text

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<v Speaker 3>to five seven seven thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the criminal Justice laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Are only one of the entire set of laws that

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<v Speaker 3>are being considered by the legislature through the middle of May.

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<v Speaker 3>Their rights back in the middle of the legislative session

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<v Speaker 3>right now, Tabor of the taxpayer bill of rights a

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<v Speaker 3>huge issue. What do they get to cut in the

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<v Speaker 3>budget because of the shortfall, That's a huge issue. And

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<v Speaker 3>then of course public safety because despite all the claims

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<v Speaker 3>to make Colorado one of the top ten safest states

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<v Speaker 3>of the nation, which I think Polus has said for

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<v Speaker 3>the last few years, that's not what's happening. Instead, we're

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<v Speaker 3>the third most dangerous. Share your thoughts over the break.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on the dan CAAPLA Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>You're back on the dan CAPLA Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go to what a text is asking.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, is there anyone in conservative Colorado looking at

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<v Speaker 3>all the laws and taxes figuring out what adjustments need

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<v Speaker 3>to be made with federal departments like education being dismantled

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<v Speaker 3>if any laws are no longer valid. You know, Polis

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<v Speaker 3>and the liberals won't willingly stop trying charging us.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a very good point. They certainly won't do

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<v Speaker 3>I think though, often what the laws that come down

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<v Speaker 3>from the federal departments, assuming there are laws there issue,

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<v Speaker 3>that attach to the states. Often those rules and regulations

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<v Speaker 3>have funding attached to them, so it's like funding strings

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<v Speaker 3>per string, so they say, basically, if you comply with

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<v Speaker 2>That's often how.

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<v Speaker 3>It works, or regulations you have to comply with them,

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<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't necessarily charge the average person money. It

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<v Speaker 3>may require, like the state Department of Education to comply

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<v Speaker 3>with the rules and maybe to hire more staff people,

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<v Speaker 3>which of course, in the end our taxpayer dollars pay

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<v Speaker 3>for that, so in a roundabout way, we're paying for it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think I'm not aware of anyone right now

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<v Speaker 3>where we could get rid of, like taxes and fees

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<v Speaker 3>that are connected to the federal government, if that's what

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<v Speaker 3>you're asking. Taxes and fees generally imposed by the state

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<v Speaker 3>here in Colorado, other than of course, are federal income

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<v Speaker 3>tax filing, and so that's a little different. So I think, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's something to watch for, but I think it'll more

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<v Speaker 3>be about the regulation side of things, like are there

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<v Speaker 3>regulations that the state continues to comply with that are

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<v Speaker 3>no longer rules under the new federal government. I think

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<v Speaker 3>those kind of things will take a little more time

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<v Speaker 3>to work through and figure out. But you're definitely right

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<v Speaker 3>that someone needs to be on top of it and

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that there's not a lot of busy work

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<v Speaker 3>the people who do it. So good question, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think Ryan had asked it in a different segment of

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<v Speaker 3>the show. What I think is actually going to happen

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<v Speaker 3>to education here in Colorado if the federal Department of

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<v Speaker 3>Education does get dismantled, what are the effects here? And

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<v Speaker 3>so I think the effects really will be to restore

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of control to the state and to local districts.

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<v Speaker 3>In Colorado, we're one of the few states in the

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<v Speaker 3>nation that actually put into our constitution local control of education,

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<v Speaker 3>which means that the local boards in school districts get

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<v Speaker 3>to choose curriculum. The state may not mandate that on them.

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<v Speaker 3>They can set standards, but can't tell them exactly how

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<v Speaker 3>So I think a state like Colorado that focuses so

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<v Speaker 3>much on local control, should welcome the dismantling of a

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<v Speaker 3>federal Department of education because it means less rules and regulations,

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<v Speaker 3>less bureaucracy, more decision making on the state because if

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<v Speaker 3>you eliminate some of those purse strings and you just

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<v Speaker 3>get the money because it's the federal allocation that goes

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<v Speaker 3>to the state, instead of the federal government being able

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<v Speaker 3>to say, well, only if you take these tests, will

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<v Speaker 3>we give you money. Only if you have like DEI

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<v Speaker 3>in your curriculum, will we give you this set of money.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you eliminate that when you eliminate bureaucracy, because there

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<v Speaker 3>aren't the people to make the rules and regulations and tie.

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<v Speaker 2>Money to that.

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<v Speaker 3>In my view, instead, the federal portion of money should

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<v Speaker 3>go to the states and say, hey, you have this

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<v Speaker 3>many students in your state, therefore you get this much money.

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<v Speaker 2>And so cutting.

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<v Speaker 3>Bureaucracy actually opens up the ability for that to happen,

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<v Speaker 3>and more money to flow directly into the state, into

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<v Speaker 3>the local districts, into the classrooms, hopefully increase the teacher

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<v Speaker 3>pay that we can do. And so I think anytime

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<v Speaker 3>you're cutting administration, you're dismantling bureaucracy. It's not dismantling education.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not dismantling funding. It's dismantling bureaucracy. It's a really

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<v Speaker 3>really important point we need to emphasize, and it actually

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<v Speaker 3>often allows funding to be way more clear and go

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<v Speaker 3>directly where.

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<v Speaker 2>It needs to go instead of passing through all these layers.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we need to hire this person to enforce this rule,

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<v Speaker 3>and hire that person to create this rule, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Like, that's not what we need.

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<v Speaker 3>And for anyone who's concerned about like special ed funding

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<v Speaker 3>that comes from the federal level, or like the Free

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<v Speaker 3>and reduced lunch program or things that help families or

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<v Speaker 3>talk at the federal level of cutting those kind of funding.

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<v Speaker 2>Streams to the states.

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<v Speaker 3>And you don't need the Department of Education to give

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<v Speaker 3>that funding to the state, like there are other federal

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<v Speaker 3>departments that grants to the states can come through. So again,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the main I keep repeating it, but the

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<v Speaker 3>main foundational line here is cutting bureaucracy is not the

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<v Speaker 3>same as cutting funding, and people need to stop claiming

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<v Speaker 3>that it's the same thing. Not yet, if you're listening.

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<v Speaker 3>You probably already don't think that's what's happening. But there's

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<v Speaker 3>a whole lot of people out there just listening to

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<v Speaker 3>the actual things that are coming from officials themselves. And

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<v Speaker 3>if I could change something, I would love to change

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<v Speaker 3>the people would actually go to the original source and

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<v Speaker 3>read what's actually happening and what's actually being said, not

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<v Speaker 3>Here's another text saying, I'm not surprised that the child

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<v Speaker 3>rapists are not getting jail time. I mean, Colorado allows

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<v Speaker 3>abortion up until birth. The Democrats don't care about children.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would they care about children getting raped and holding

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<v Speaker 3>the rapists accountable?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is in reference.

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<v Speaker 3>If you missed our last segment, we had Representative Brandy

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<v Speaker 3>she ran. A District Attorney George Brockler is all over

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<v Speaker 3>a child, you can get out on probation, and apparently

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<v Speaker 3>that probation was great to sixty nine individuals last year

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<v Speaker 3>who did this to kids, and they were just immediately

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<v Speaker 3>right back out on the streets, right back out in

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<v Speaker 3>those homes and those schools wherever they were attacking children,

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<v Speaker 3>not sent to jail at all. So to the Texter's comment,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think you're right that when we create

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<v Speaker 3>that they can grow up with all the opportunities that

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<v Speaker 3>over into other areas. And if you have a general

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<v Speaker 3>view that you know, children are only worthy of protection

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<v Speaker 3>at this age or in this environment, what is to

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<v Speaker 3>stop you from setting your own standards of when a

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<v Speaker 3>they're viewed as a fully equal human and what level

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<v Speaker 3>of protection we really want to give them. So I

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<v Speaker 3>will agree with you that when you see people choosing

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<v Speaker 3>abortion until birth, they are choosing adults over children. When

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<v Speaker 3>you see people choosing probation for child rapists instead of

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<v Speaker 3>putting them in jail. You are seeing them choose adults

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<v Speaker 3>over children, and I think instead we need to view

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<v Speaker 3>for that comment. If you're listing and you have other thoughts,

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<v Speaker 3>text them to five seven seven three nine. Start it

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<v Speaker 3>with Dan. I think though it'll be interesting to see.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked really early in the show about the Continuing

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<v Speaker 3>Resolution at the federal level. So going back to the

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<v Speaker 3>going to split in their votes, Chuck Schumer actually just

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<v Speaker 3>announced that he is going to be voting with the

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans on the not actually sure if it's the cure

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<v Speaker 3>vote or the Continuing Resolution vote what, but he's yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I just saw that in the break. I'm gonna look

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<v Speaker 6>Read the headline right. The heck just tappened. How did

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I literally saw headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say I've been using AI for some research

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<v Speaker 3>it said AI wants to please you, so it will

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<v Speaker 2>Tell you what you want to hear, tell you exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>if Chuck Shrumer really has come over, if that was

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<v Speaker 3>a fake AI headline, we'll find out. I'm Grauzy Burden Round.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the Day A Capital of show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Christy Burton Brown, and yes, I was able to

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<v Speaker 3>confirm that Chuck Schumer has indeed come over to the

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<v Speaker 3>dark side and announced that he will be supporting the

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<v Speaker 3>Republican bill and to continue I guess continue resolution to

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<v Speaker 3>the dark side, it's the light side. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>what he would say. Oh, It's troubling and terrible, but

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<v Speaker 3>he just must to do it. Ryan, what comments are

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<v Speaker 7>What a loser? First of all? I mean, secondly, shouldn't

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<v Speaker 7>As much as we dislike her, Nancy Pelosi knew how

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<v Speaker 7>Heard Kats, what the hell was Schumer thinking?

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<v Speaker 6>What was he doing?

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<v Speaker 7>Theater?

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<v Speaker 7>But if I'm a Democrat, I'm pissed off too.

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<v Speaker 6>He's like pounding a shower. We're not gonna We're gonna

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<v Speaker 6>shut it down. This is a bad bill. Republicans do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it goes back to what I said earlier in

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<v Speaker 3>the show, Ryan, that another I heard from another commentator.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm adopting it because I think it's right. Democrats don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how to deal with this president care. They just don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Christy.

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<v Speaker 7>Is there an argument to be made that they're even

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<v Speaker 7>worse this time around than the first time around with Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>See?

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<v Speaker 3>I think they are because I think the first time around,

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<v Speaker 3>they were consumed with taking him down personally, right, so

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<v Speaker 3>all the impeachments, all the like, he's so terrible, all

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<v Speaker 3>the personal attacks. This time around, they know he actually

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<v Speaker 3>has nothing to lose because he can't run again.

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<v Speaker 2>He's term limited after this time.

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<v Speaker 3>And they also know that he know he had four

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<v Speaker 3>years in between these two terms to figure out exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what happened, whatever mistakes he made in his first term,

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<v Speaker 3>like not cleaning house and not quickly going after policy

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<v Speaker 3>and demanding that it get passed. And he's not making

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<v Speaker 3>those same mistakes so far in these first couple months.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think they're shocked. I think they didn't expect it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they didn't think he was like politically spurt

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<v Speaker 3>and strategic. Oh, he's just a business guy, doesn't know

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<v Speaker 3>what he's doing. Well, actually doesn't know what he's doing,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had four years to think about it and

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<v Speaker 3>to get the right people around him.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I don't think they know how to respond

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<v Speaker 2>to that version of Trump.

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<v Speaker 7>It's even proving Senator Elissa Slotkin, right, Democrat Michigan, when

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<v Speaker 7>she kind of gave away the game and said Democrats

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<v Speaker 7>are on their heels It's like they took one big

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<v Speaker 7>Mike Tyson punt circa nineteen eighty seven, Michael Spinks in

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<v Speaker 7>the ring, and they're just flustered and they're they're flailing

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<v Speaker 7>and they don't know how to respond.

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<v Speaker 6>And this is further evidence of that. Christine.

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<v Speaker 7>Again, if I was a diehard liberal Democratic voter and

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<v Speaker 7>I watched what Chuck Schumer just did, I go, what

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<v Speaker 7>is going on there?

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<v Speaker 6>These people have no idea what they're doing or how

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<v Speaker 6>to do it right?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, which is is I think really interesting that Trump's

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<v Speaker 3>like peeling back the curtain on all of this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like they were able, you know, I think with Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Biden in charge that the other Democrats could look better

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<v Speaker 3>if they could look like they were together, because Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Biden fell apart all the time and wasn't competent, so

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<v Speaker 3>they looked a lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>Than they were.

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<v Speaker 3>But now you have Trump who knows how to play

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<v Speaker 3>them and knows like, again, he had four years to

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<v Speaker 3>study how to get all this stuff done. He figured

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<v Speaker 3>it out and brought the right people along with him,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're like, oh, shoot, we actually don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>we're doing. I mean, even when you see John Higginlober,

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Bennett split off. You see more Democrats following what

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<v Speaker 3>appears now to be the lead of John.

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<v Speaker 2>Fetterman instead of Chuck Schumer.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, wasn't a good move by Schumer to let

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<v Speaker 3>Fetterman go out ahead of him on this.

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<v Speaker 7>When you look at it too, Christy, You've got three

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<v Speaker 7>incumbent Democrat senators who would be up for reelection in

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty six who are not running. Tina Smith in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 7>Gerry Peters in Michigan, and I think Jeane Shaheen in Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 6>That's three right there.

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<v Speaker 7>You have John Ossoff, who's in a very tough battle

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<v Speaker 7>in twenty six for the Georgia Senate seat. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 7>afford to come out and block this cr. There's rumors,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure if they've been confirmed yet that Brian

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<v Speaker 7>Kemp might run as the Republican nominee against him.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I think he will walk all over.

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<v Speaker 7>As off and Ostof has to have some kind of

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<v Speaker 7>pretense that he's a moderate, but that would not be

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<v Speaker 7>the case here. So Schumer, who's in New York, he

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<v Speaker 7>gets comfortably re elected. He didn't really think about these

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<v Speaker 7>purple state Democratic senators. They're going to have a tough

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<v Speaker 7>bill of goods to sell back to their purple state constituents.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Mark Kelly in Arizona, Mark Warner even a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit in Virginia, or even you heard John Hickenlooper

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<v Speaker 7>vacillating and what should be a safe blue state.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't know, leaning toward maybe.

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<v Speaker 7>And then I think Schumer recognized, like you said, the

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<v Speaker 7>math just wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and something he probably should have known sooner rather

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<v Speaker 3>than later. But I mean works out for us. It

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<v Speaker 3>looks like one after the other they just cave to Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>which is, you know what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it is interesting the point.

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<v Speaker 3>You bring up, Ryan, about those three incumbent Democrats already

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<v Speaker 3>announcing that they're not running for reelection. Right, it's my

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<v Speaker 3>understanding that next cycle was not supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 3>good pickup cycle for Republicans as originally designed.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, right, that's what.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just interesting that on every level they're like

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<v Speaker 3>backing off it, caving and giving in so early and

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<v Speaker 3>so much.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think politics changes every single day.

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<v Speaker 3>You could ever be like, oh, a year and a

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<v Speaker 3>half ahead of time, I can predict exactly what's going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen. You just can't do that. But it is

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<v Speaker 3>interesting seeing the writing as it gets put on the wall,

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<v Speaker 3>not all there yet, but seeing kind of where the

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<v Speaker 3>signs are pointing. And I think there's no question that

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrat Party has no idea of two things. First,

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<v Speaker 3>how to deal with Donald Trump, this new version, this

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<v Speaker 3>new together collected version of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>They do not know how to deal with him.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I say new version, he's still the same

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<v Speaker 3>on all the issues, but I think how he's presenting

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<v Speaker 3>them and how he's tackling them, and who he's brought

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<v Speaker 3>along with him, that is what looks different right now

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<v Speaker 3>in my opinion. And then secondly, what they don't know

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<v Speaker 3>is how to message themselves. They have been all about

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<v Speaker 3>the doom and gloom policy for too long. They had

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<v Speaker 3>to go on defense about Joe Biden. No, no, he

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<v Speaker 3>really is competent. No, no, world leaders really do look

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<v Speaker 3>up to us, No, no, not.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is falling apart.

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<v Speaker 3>So they had the last couple of years of being

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<v Speaker 3>on the defense all the time, and then their other

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<v Speaker 3>mode was attacking Trump. He's terrible, he's horrible, he's awful,

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<v Speaker 3>He's a Nazi, everyone hates everyone, and now they're like, okay, shoot,

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans control all three branches of power. Normally, what you'd

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<v Speaker 3>want to do as a party is say, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to build the block to pitch our own, better, more optimistic, successful.

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<v Speaker 2>Version of America.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna make the deals we have to make, but

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna make ourselves look like the stars in these deals.

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<v Speaker 3>And instead they're like falling apart, being insanely pessimistic, not

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<v Speaker 3>proposing any better plans, acting like everything and everyone is

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<v Speaker 3>dying and horrible and terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think the American people are buying it.

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<v Speaker 7>It's exactly right, Christy, and just watch whatever Democrat comes out,

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<v Speaker 7>whether it's Jasmine Krockett, Rasheta to Leib exception being John Fetterman. Sure,

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<v Speaker 7>but any Chuck Schumer, any Hakeem Jeffries. Faces and voices

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<v Speaker 7>of this party. They have been I think stamped with

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<v Speaker 7>their reaction at that address to the Joint Session of

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<v Speaker 7>Congress with not applauding a thirteen year old boy with cancer.

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<v Speaker 7>They got a special appointment to the Secret Service. They're

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<v Speaker 7>negative Nellies, they have no positive vision for America. They're

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<v Speaker 7>only a card that they play is Trump, bad Trump,

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<v Speaker 7>evil Trump, Hitler, orange Man.

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<v Speaker 6>And people are sick of that. They've tuned it out.

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<v Speaker 7>So what vision, what plan do Democrats have that's a

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<v Speaker 7>better alternative? Christy, you know this as well as anybody

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<v Speaker 7>in politics. If you don't present that alternative vision, that

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<v Speaker 7>affirmative vision of a way forward, like Bill Clinton did

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<v Speaker 7>quite frankly ninety two, like Barack Obama did in two

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<v Speaker 7>thousand and eight, that's that's how you win elections. The

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats aren't offering that. It's lazy. That's the number one

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<v Speaker 7>thing that comes to mind. It's just lazy. It's like,

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<v Speaker 7>well we'll just rip Trump. Nope, that's not going to

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<v Speaker 7>do it right.

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<v Speaker 3>And for all their I think you're right, Ryan, and

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<v Speaker 3>for all their claiming that, oh, we have the young generation.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was able to do some interviews this last

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<v Speaker 3>week for the Daniels Fund. They give scholarships out every years.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never done it before, so it's really really amazing

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<v Speaker 3>to see these young kids, but a number of them,

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<v Speaker 3>whether I'm talking to other interviewers who talk to these

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<v Speaker 3>kids or hearing from kids myself, so many kids in

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<v Speaker 3>that generation are saying what do I not like about politics,

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<v Speaker 3>how divisive it is, that everyone is constantly attacking everyone

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<v Speaker 3>else personally. And I think the Democrats are having no

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<v Speaker 3>forward looking vision when they don't have policy plans, they

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<v Speaker 3>don't have better messaging. But then they also are continuing

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<v Speaker 3>that divisiveness while claiming to be the party that young

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<v Speaker 3>people resonate with, Like it's getting old and people are

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<v Speaker 3>tuning it out, and right now with everything Trump is accomplishing,

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<v Speaker 3>if what the Democrats get is.

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<v Speaker 2>People just tuning them out, they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Setting themselves up for success, fine by me, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think it's a great strategy.

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<v Speaker 7>And even when they're staking out political positions they're taking

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<v Speaker 7>like the twenty side of eighty twenty issues like trans

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<v Speaker 7>and athletes in female sports, they're dying on that hill

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<v Speaker 7>wasteful government spending. No, we need wasteful governments, we do. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>if that's the argument you want to make, it's just silly.

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<v Speaker 7>This is fodder, this is the stuff of parity, and

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<v Speaker 7>they become a caricature of themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Well in the eighty twenty issue is I think what

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has, you know, mastered, And he certainly did that

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<v Speaker 3>in his joint speech to Congress. So many of the

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<v Speaker 3>issues that he brought up were not just Republican issues,

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<v Speaker 3>they were literally eighty twenty they were American issues.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what he's doing a good job of.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean even naming the while it was it a

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<v Speaker 3>wildlife reserve after the little girl who was killed by

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<v Speaker 3>an illegal immage who is a violent criminal. Yeah, most

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<v Speaker 3>Americans want little girls like that to be safe. So

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<v Speaker 3>these the Democrats just sit there and don't even clap

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<v Speaker 3>for that. It's beyond insane, Like, come on, these are

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<v Speaker 3>these are American issues. Let's be Americans together. And yes

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<v Speaker 3>it's Trump that's representing the American issues. Horrors that you

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<v Speaker 3>might have to align with him on something, but Americans

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<v Speaker 3>are going to tune you out if you don't. So

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<v Speaker 3>we have sake a break now. I'm Kristy Burton Brown

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<v Speaker 3>on the Dankaplai Show. I see I have a question

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<v Speaker 3>I need to answer when I come back. If you

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<v Speaker 3>have questions or thoughts, text them into five seven, seven

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<v Speaker 3>three nine or call in eight five five four zero

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<v Speaker 3>five eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 5>And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>You're back on the Dan Caplis Show. I'm Christy Burton

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<v Speaker 3>Brown in for Dan tonight because he's in trial, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think you get him back tomorrow. So thanks for

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<v Speaker 3>joining me. I'm going to go to the text line

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<v Speaker 3>and answer a question. We were talking about the federal

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<v Speaker 3>Department of Education being dismantled by the Trump administration. I

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<v Speaker 3>actually Democrats using that kind of language, always dismantling the

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<v Speaker 3>Department of Education, but I actually kind of like it, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's an agency worth being dismantled. I don't think we

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<v Speaker 3>should high or go away from that language. There are

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<v Speaker 3>so many federal agencies that are bloated and huge. My

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<v Speaker 3>dad actually works for the federal government and he tells

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<v Speaker 3>me all these stories about federal employees who go from

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<v Speaker 3>cubicle to cubicle chatting all day long. There aren't enough

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<v Speaker 3>projects for the number of people they've hired to do,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it's super super hard to fire anyone until

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<v Speaker 3>Trump came in office at the federal government, and so

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<v Speaker 3>they absolutely need to be cut and dismantled. Some of

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<v Speaker 3>these agencies shouldn't exist, and the ones that do exist

639
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<v Speaker 3>need to be downsized. Like we always believe in downsizing

640
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<v Speaker 3>in our personal lives and business, in anything that's important

641
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<v Speaker 3>when you want to be more efficient and effective. It's

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<v Speaker 3>an answer, but somehow accordion fell either. It's a horrible,

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<v Speaker 3>horrible thing when it comes to the Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm so glad that your dad spoke up, because of

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<v Speaker 7>course there is going to be that level of just

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<v Speaker 7>waste and excess and bloat in a bureaucracy where these

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<v Speaker 7>workers are coming out and they're so tone off. Christ's

648
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<v Speaker 7>the rest of us who work in the private sector

649
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<v Speaker 7>saying we shouldn't be accountable for what we're doing. We

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<v Speaker 7>shouldn't have to answer an email of five things that

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<v Speaker 7>we did last Yeah, how dare they come in here

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<v Speaker 7>and tell us what we should be able to work

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<v Speaker 7>from our bathtubs at home like we have been.

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<v Speaker 6>This is what they become accustomed to.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I know, and I actually ask my dad, is

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<v Speaker 2>that you actually have to answer that email? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you know, we see all these things over social

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<v Speaker 3>media and or like, right, are they just like sending

660
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<v Speaker 3>that to a few people?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it really real? Is it just a story?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's real, Like he literally had to answer the

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<v Speaker 3>email and he's happy to do it. If you actually

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<v Speaker 3>do your work how is that difficult? Here's the five

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<v Speaker 3>things I did this week.

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<v Speaker 7>But more than what they were, that not that Elon

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<v Speaker 7>had a team going through to these things.

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<v Speaker 6>Really really it was a pulse.

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<v Speaker 2>Check, literally, answer do you exist?

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<v Speaker 7>Are you a human with a pulse who's still alive

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<v Speaker 7>collecting a government paycheck?

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<v Speaker 6>It's just, oh, here's five things.

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<v Speaker 7>And I was able to reply and respond to the

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<v Speaker 7>email because I'm a living human.

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<v Speaker 3>Right exactly exactly. And you know the thing that's I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. I think maybe this is from because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>from a younger generation. I don't think all remote work

678
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<v Speaker 3>is bad. I really don't, and I think it is

679
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<v Speaker 3>too bad when everyone gets panded with the exact same brush,

680
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<v Speaker 3>and they say, because there's so much bloat and waste

681
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<v Speaker 3>and so many people who do take advantage of the

682
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<v Speaker 3>fact that they get to work at home and therefore

683
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<v Speaker 3>don't really work at all, let's bring everyone back, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at the modern world, it actually is

685
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<v Speaker 3>possible to do some jobs remotely. It actually is if

686
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<v Speaker 3>you have the right check ins in place, if you

687
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<v Speaker 3>have the good managers, it is actually possible to and

688
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<v Speaker 3>sometimes actually better to have people.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing it remote.

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<v Speaker 3>They can travel to different sites better, They can do

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<v Speaker 3>it at different hours of the day that actually can

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<v Speaker 3>be more helpful than office hours. There's a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>of reasons you can actually look into it. I'd apply

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<v Speaker 3>this to the business world, to the government, to really

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<v Speaker 3>any area of life.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this is specific to government.

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<v Speaker 3>But my problem is I don't think government should be

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<v Speaker 3>excluded and say, oh, we've come to a point in

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<v Speaker 3>the world where we know that remote work is possible,

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<v Speaker 3>but the government may not allow it. So I understand

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<v Speaker 3>why they're like swinging the pendulum all, you know, all

702
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<v Speaker 3>the way to the other way because of all the

703
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<v Speaker 3>abuses and bloat in the system that have occurred. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think they should get back to a balanced position

705
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<v Speaker 3>at some point and say, let's evaluate which positions actually

706
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<v Speaker 3>can be done accurately remotely. Are the safeguards management techniques

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<v Speaker 3>in place to ensure that people are actually doing their work,

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't see a point to penalizing people who

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<v Speaker 3>actually are hard workers and can do it remote and

710
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<v Speaker 3>then they also have a better quality of family life,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're also more likely to stay in the job

712
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<v Speaker 3>because it works for them. I guess I'm a fan

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<v Speaker 3>of having a work life balance, and I think remote

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<v Speaker 3>work can provide that for some people. So that'd just

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<v Speaker 3>be my personal opinion of I think they need to

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<v Speaker 3>swing to a balance. But I understand right now why

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<v Speaker 3>they're like doing the five point email, like let us

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<v Speaker 3>know you exist, like are you actually interested in keeping

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<v Speaker 3>your job? Are you willing to show back up at

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<v Speaker 3>work and show that you actually want this job. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's a very important things to what they're doing, but

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<v Speaker 3>I hope they balance after a little while. The question

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<v Speaker 3>I got though, is because we're talking about the Department

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<v Speaker 3>of Education, are the standardized tests administered by the Federal

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<v Speaker 3>Department of Education. Standardized tests a huge, huge issue in education,

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<v Speaker 3>So they're not administered by the Federal Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 3>They're administered by the state and in fact by the

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<v Speaker 3>local districts in Colorado. The Sea Mass is the one

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<v Speaker 3>you take in Colorado, and then sometimes the p SET

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<v Speaker 3>or SAT and I don't think they really do the

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<v Speaker 3>act here in Colorado too much, but some kids certainly do.

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<v Speaker 3>Depends on what college you're trying to get into. But

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<v Speaker 3>the Sea Mass is the big one that's required. What

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<v Speaker 3>happens is there the Federal requirement that you do the

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<v Speaker 3>state testing that states that get funding for the federal

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<v Speaker 3>government that they do this testing. Which test you do

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<v Speaker 3>can be decided by the state, so it's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a balance. And I think we talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 3>when you shut down the Department of Education or dismantle it,

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<v Speaker 3>cut it in half, which is what's going on right now,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you lose with that? And I think the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that people are afraid of losing is the funding.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't want funding to be taken away from the

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<v Speaker 3>states and taken out of education. But what you should

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<v Speaker 3>want to happen is the bureaucracy and the rules and

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<v Speaker 3>regulations to get out of it, give more states the

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<v Speaker 3>ability to let teachers not constantly be teaching to a test.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a problem that if you talk to teachers across

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<v Speaker 3>the state, they really do feel like they can't always

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<v Speaker 3>teach the subjects to the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to teach each to the test.

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<v Speaker 3>So instead of like do you really understand the science

753
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<v Speaker 3>of reading, do you really understand financial literacy? Do you

754
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<v Speaker 3>really understand science and history and how to evaluate literature

755
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<v Speaker 3>and let kids use their imagination and teach them how

756
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<v Speaker 3>to think, not always what to think.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have the freedom to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Even as one of the best teachers in Colorado, it's

759
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<v Speaker 3>difficult to do that because you're constantly teaching to the test.

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<v Speaker 2>I like tests.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not opposed to them. I think they are a

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<v Speaker 3>measure of achievement and accountability. But when they are so

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<v Speaker 3>common and administered as frequently as they are, you fall

764
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<v Speaker 3>into the run of teaching kids how to take tests

765
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<v Speaker 3>instead of teaching them how to think and how to learn.

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<v Speaker 3>So if dismantling the Federal Department of Education shakes any

767
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<v Speaker 3>of that up, it remains to be seen if it will.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be a fan of that because I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a reason that the majority of kids in

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<v Speaker 3>Colorado do not read and do not do math at

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<v Speaker 3>grade level. Only forty percent of kids do, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>a reason for that. So shake up the system. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>dismantle it and get something better in place. I'm Christy

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<v Speaker 3>Burton around you've been on the Dan Kapitala show. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>for joining me, and I hope you enjoy having Dan

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<v Speaker 3>back tomorrow.
