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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, Hey guys, and welcome to episode twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Of A Strange Thing Podcast. I'm Mike and I'm Austin,

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<v Speaker 2>and together we are your hosts with the most kind

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<v Speaker 2>of bring.

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<v Speaker 1>Brings up our topic. Yeah, anyway, we're coming at you

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<v Speaker 1>from the stranger zone.

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<v Speaker 2>Strangers zone in our.

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<v Speaker 1>Convict today is about weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Quirks, strange quirks that people have.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how if I say hosts, my dad says most

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<v Speaker 1>every single time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well not every time, but quite a few times. It

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a quirk. And it's because I get

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<v Speaker 2>nervous and I don't know what to say right at

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<v Speaker 2>that moment, so I just like blurted out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do with my hands. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's okay, because everybody has quirks, it's true, and

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<v Speaker 2>we thought, what a great topic to talk about strange things,

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<v Speaker 2>strange quirks or strange phobias or strange antics that people

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<v Speaker 2>do have or say.

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<v Speaker 1>And just because we're saying they're strange doesn't mean they're

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<v Speaker 1>bad or people should be ashamed of them, or that

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<v Speaker 1>they're even that strange. But they're they're not something that

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of people have to deal with. So from

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<v Speaker 1>the outside perspective, from the third party of you, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels a little weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of like to think of them as the

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<v Speaker 2>spices of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Is spices of.

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<v Speaker 2>Life, Yeah, I mean, these are the things that make

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<v Speaker 2>life interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun to meet new people and they do things

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<v Speaker 2>in different ways and that makes you more endeared towards them.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though, like in my case it's something that drives

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<v Speaker 1>me absolutely crazy, people seem to have a good time

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, like, what thing are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Austin has a little problem, especially with me. I I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have a loud eating habit.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I like chips, a loud consuming habit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I eat, I chew or drink. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>like to go. I like to chew on my chips,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes I don't get my mouth closed all the

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<v Speaker 2>way before I bite down, so you get that echically

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<v Speaker 2>cavernous crunch sound. I love that sound. It makes me hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>And then sometimes you know, food so good that I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of do this smack thing like hmmm, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so Austin can't handle it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't handle that at all. And that's actually an actual.

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<v Speaker 2>A real kind of phobia or a disorder or some

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<v Speaker 2>disorder phobia, something like mesophonia. Mesophonia, Yeah, me so phony.

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<v Speaker 2>Austin's a very phony guy. Yeah, it's me so phonia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a real thing. A lot of people have it.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I've been asking people when I found out

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to be doing this episode, I started

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<v Speaker 2>asking people, you know, do you have any weird quirks

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<v Speaker 2>or phobias, And a lot of them have eating sound phobias.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I like to talk about you and say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my son's kind of weird. He's got this weird thing

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<v Speaker 2>where he can't stand to hear people chew. He has

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<v Speaker 2>to turn on the radio half the time. The things

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<v Speaker 2>he puts on the radio sound a thousand times worse

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<v Speaker 2>than somebody chewing, but for whatever reason, the disguises the chewing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sound anything static is better. I did a little research

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of things that can cause it,

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<v Speaker 1>like involuntary noises from people like smacking or chewing, Loud

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<v Speaker 1>repetitive noises like I saw one that was interesting, like

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<v Speaker 1>winschieldipers just drive somebody crazy and I can understand like

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<v Speaker 1>a pen tapping when you're trying to concentrate and it

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<v Speaker 1>drives Yeah, wall, I guess that's a form of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they also mentioned that it can be visual too,

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<v Speaker 1>like if there's a like an intermittent flash from like

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<v Speaker 1>a maybe a fan or like a you know, something

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<v Speaker 1>that's just repetitive, repetitive and intermittent, it would drive you.

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<v Speaker 1>It would drive these people crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, it's a stimulus that distracts you from what you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do or think.

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<v Speaker 1>I did research on like the causes, and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know what causes it, but they know it's not

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<v Speaker 1>an ear thing or a visual thing. It's not related

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<v Speaker 1>to like a physical disability. It's it's a mental thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's something about your brain where it processes these

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<v Speaker 1>sounds or these the visual or audio input in your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also kind of having a fight or flight response.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of it's it's an actual mental problem.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like something that's just in your head, although

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<v Speaker 2>it is in your head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your body is having like an angry or anxious

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<v Speaker 1>or it could have like a depressed, like sad response

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<v Speaker 1>to it, or even like it can cause nausea and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff which I can actually feel like. I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>I was little, we used to wake up in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning and Mom would kind of get us going in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, put out cereal for breakfast or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>my sister Amber, I could just hear her chewing this

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<v Speaker 1>like fruit help us or whatever, and it would make

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<v Speaker 1>me mad and we get in like little, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>altercations in the morning because I'm just so angry in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that I'm older, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Process.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't take it out on that person. Although

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm irritated and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Hear like, yeah, well, this is a common thing. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people have things that irritate them that other

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<v Speaker 2>people do. It might be the way that they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have an afflection in their voice when they say something,

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<v Speaker 2>did I do that? You know, something like that that

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<v Speaker 2>causes that reaction. Sometimes it's visual, like sometimes the way

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<v Speaker 2>people will move causes that reaction. You know, if somebody

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<v Speaker 2>has a weird stance or they stand funny, and it

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<v Speaker 2>could be psycho semantic.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep touching their nose or they yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Or nervous tick or something, and they can dry people nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it can actually make them go a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit baddy for a while. Oh yeah, and it can

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<v Speaker 2>make them angry and they don't even know why.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably in that situation has a lot to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the people's opinion of that other person. Yeah, it could be,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, oh don't I don't want to pump your

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<v Speaker 1>tires here, guy. But I look up to you. You're

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<v Speaker 1>my dad, right, And then you're doing this thing chewing

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<v Speaker 1>so loud that drives me crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>How could somebody look up to sound like.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it bothers me a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, stop, I want to like you. It's so cool

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<v Speaker 2>and such a stop but tune. Man, Well, I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>tell a story about my chewing noises. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>you know my dad, right, you're going, yeah, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He is tenfold worse than me in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>he eats and stuff. As far as noises go.

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<v Speaker 1>We call him the typewriter. When he eats corn on

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<v Speaker 1>the cob, it's like it's like tump tum tum tum

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<v Speaker 1>tum tum tum tum tum tum trump all the way

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<v Speaker 1>across and then all the way to the last side

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<v Speaker 1>and jump tump tump tump tump. It's impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not even that. I'm just abreasted, except for

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<v Speaker 2>when you hear the sound. The silent movie would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>One time I was at my sister in law's house

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<v Speaker 2>and I was sitting there eating sunflower seats and we

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<v Speaker 2>were all watching a movie. There was like ten of

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<v Speaker 2>us around the big TV watching a movie or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting there just eating my subflower seeds, watching

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<v Speaker 2>the movie, not a care in the world, totally oblivious

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<v Speaker 2>to anything, and all of a sudden, the movie stops.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody hits pause. If my sister in law goes, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>would you cut that out please? She was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>my sun flower seats roxyand my wife said later she said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're making so much noise. You were just crunching on them.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to spin them. Then you'd spit it in

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<v Speaker 2>the bottle, and then you get the next one, you

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<v Speaker 2>crunch it and then you suck the seat out.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you'd spin at the bottle. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And my sister in law had it finally up where

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<v Speaker 2>she couldn't take it anymore, and she had to stop

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<v Speaker 2>the movie and ask me, not politely either, She just

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<v Speaker 2>basically chewed me up and said would you got that off?

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's my story. It's funny loud noise. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to admit you make all these like little weird

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<v Speaker 2>Those are noises that come up out of like your gullie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they're like they're like in my body and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like oh, they're like the weirds is like like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you're you're looking at me, your mouth is

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<v Speaker 2>closed and you're making weird noises out of your stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That reminds me of one. And we'll probably touch on

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff later, but we're you know, some weird habits

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<v Speaker 1>that people have are like involuntary things, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know I have. I've had TMJ before, uh temporal mandibular

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<v Speaker 1>joint juxtafication TMJ. Anyway, that's from like grinding your teeth

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<v Speaker 1>and stress and all kinds of stuff. And you look

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<v Speaker 1>at my teeth they're like all crooked on the right

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<v Speaker 1>side or they're like ground down.

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<v Speaker 2>You grind your teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>I grab my teeth, but I do it at work

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<v Speaker 1>and if I have music playing, I grind my teeth

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<v Speaker 1>and like slide them across the other teeth and make

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<v Speaker 1>little drum beats in time in time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually classified as an obsessive compulsive disorder. Really, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they all kind of go together. And we should throw

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<v Speaker 2>out a big disclaimer here. We're not making fun of

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<v Speaker 2>anybody anymore than we're making fun of ourselves, because we

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<v Speaker 2>all have these strange things that we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's got a quirk. Yeah, obviously I have my irritation

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<v Speaker 1>with sounds and my weird drumming in my mouth, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna see if the microphone could pick it

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<v Speaker 1>up because I think it'd be funny, do it? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I have to have a song on my head?

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<v Speaker 2>What song is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's like a normal drum beat. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you could hear you would do that with the

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<v Speaker 1>music as it's playing. Yeah, and like whatever song comes

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<v Speaker 1>like causes you to do that in that Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>like the grinding kind of like a high hat from

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<v Speaker 1>like a left to right slide across my front teeth

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<v Speaker 1>and then like I clacking, So then I got for

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<v Speaker 1>the drum, like the kick drum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Most of our listeners don't probably realize or know

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<v Speaker 2>that Austin is a drummer. So he does play the drums.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always beating on something. Yeah, except for his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, my kids and the dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no people, dogs, animals or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a tapper.

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<v Speaker 2>Life is a drum tap a tapper. I know everybody

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<v Speaker 2>has weird things. So I'm gonna tell a story. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time, this could have been really really serious, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's about me as a little kid growing up. And

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<v Speaker 2>even kindergarten, it was preschool, and for whatever reason, I

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<v Speaker 1>Just for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had this phobia, this belief or whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>is that a mental disorder that my parents were trying

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would walk around, I would not touch anything

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<v Speaker 2>of contact poison, right, So I would wash my hands

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<v Speaker 2>obsessively like repeat, rent wash, repeat, rents washed, repeat, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when I was done, I wouldn't use a towel

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<v Speaker 1>Just putting poison lotion on there.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't even put lotion on it because that was poison.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I went to this preschool or this kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember one time, and this is very vivid in

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<v Speaker 2>it was poison, so I wouldn't eat my doughnut. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I went back to the bathroom, they had these,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, urinals that were up against the wall, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was mold growing on the wall. And that was poison.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's poison.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything was poison. Mom would put salt on like my

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<v Speaker 1>Iokaine from glass.

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<v Speaker 2>It was worse than I It was ground of glass

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<v Speaker 2>and pepper was poison. And I had lost all this weight.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd taken me to the doctor. The doctor said kids

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes go crazy like that, and they do weird things.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally. The way I was cured is my mom had

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<v Speaker 2>me there and my grandma made me some scrambled eggs,

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<v Speaker 2>which I loved. That was like my favorite thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I saw her salt it and I said, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to eat it. You put ground glass on

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<v Speaker 2>my eggs and she's says, no, I made these eggs

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<v Speaker 2>for you. You're gonna eat them. And I said, no, it

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<v Speaker 2>will kill me. You're trying to kill me. And she said,

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<v Speaker 2>these eggs will not kill you, but if you do

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<v Speaker 2>not eat these, I will beat you with this broom.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wouldn't eat it, and she hit me with

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<v Speaker 2>the broom, and then to stop her from hitting me

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<v Speaker 2>with the broom, I ate the eggs and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>see you're alive. You're not poisoned. And from then on

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<v Speaker 2>I never worried about being poisoned again. But I sure

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<v Speaker 2>was majorly a free of my ground and whipped its hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, if my son would develop something like that, because

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<v Speaker 1>he does not like to eat unless it's pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does have a hard time heat.

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<v Speaker 1>He trusts me pretty good though. I talked him into

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<v Speaker 1>limes and hob and arrow sauce.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he yeah, right, yeah, I'm never gonna eat again.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad gives me you have an aro sauce. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think what's really interesting about your son

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<v Speaker 2>is I think a lot of it is just he

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't like a lot of things. He just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like eating. He's hungry. Yeah, a simple guy like Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my story of weirdness. You could call that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a name for that phobia. It's called toxophobia, the

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<v Speaker 2>fear of being poisoned, and I had that at four

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<v Speaker 2>years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Toxophobia reminds me of one in a similar way. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like something a little kid would come up with,

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<v Speaker 1>or like just a lack of trust or paranoia in

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<v Speaker 1>your life. Have you ever heard of impostor syndrome? Impostor

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<v Speaker 1>syndrome or also called cap Grass syndrome, named after the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who.

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<v Speaker 2>Discovered it or made it famous.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was the first one that got it

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosed on the books or whatever, or Capgrass delusion, And

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<v Speaker 1>basically this is the the the thought that everybody close

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<v Speaker 1>to you has been replaced with somebody an impostor, oh

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<v Speaker 1>like a perfect toppelganger.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the movie The Thing. The Thing takes over the

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<v Speaker 2>shapes of people, and then it kills more people until they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally somebody in this camp and what he appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be right now that maybe one or two of us.

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<v Speaker 2>By spring, it could be all of us. So how

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<v Speaker 2>do we know who's human?

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<v Speaker 3>If I was an imitation, a perfect imitation, how would

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<v Speaker 3>you know if it was really me?

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of?

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<v Speaker 1>But I think less sinister, Oh so like I would

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<v Speaker 1>just think for some reason, you're not my dad anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a guy who's stepped in and pretending to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be oh like the leg Starfighter. You remember that movie

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<v Speaker 2>reading Starfighter.

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<v Speaker 3>You have been recruited by the star League to defend

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<v Speaker 3>the Frontier against Zor and the clot an arm monitor

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<v Speaker 3>getting ready prepare for.

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<v Speaker 2>Last the last star Fighter. The guy gets a clone

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<v Speaker 2>so that he can go off and fight the whatever armada.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you look like me, of course I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the Beaty Unit.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell's a beaty here?

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<v Speaker 3>Baby?

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<v Speaker 1>Unit is simuloid, an exact duplicate of you, woman, not

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<v Speaker 1>as loud.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the clone stays on Earth and tries to

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<v Speaker 2>make out with his girlfriend because it's he's really a clone.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not the real boyfriend. He's like a robot. Nope, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>not like that. Okay, great movie, Last Star Party, You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to watch it all.

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<v Speaker 1>But this syndrome, it's really low number of people have this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like a paranoia type thing, and it reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me of like, you know, you see somebody who just

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<v Speaker 1>can't trust anybody, you know, in like a movie, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a homeless person. He just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hears voices. And it seems like it closely related to

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<v Speaker 1>like schizophrenia or people who have epilepsy or so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A true like psychological disword.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a psychological disorder. But man, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that a weird one? Is it's similar to the poison

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<v Speaker 1>thing where you just have this lack of trust, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder if it stems from just hoping and

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<v Speaker 1>relying on the hope that people in your life won't

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<v Speaker 1>betray you or they are who they are in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds like maybe there's like a deep seated

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<v Speaker 2>distrust and so that distrust manifests and like, well, the

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<v Speaker 2>person I love would never do something bad to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I still have this distress. So I got to

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<v Speaker 2>project that onto something else. This is not my real

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<v Speaker 2>dad or mom, This is an imposter something like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's like an uncommon one. You know, there are

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<v Speaker 2>so many things that are really common. Let's jump into

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<v Speaker 2>some of the really common ones, because I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that'll make us all feel a little bit better, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll go into the weirder and more strange things.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, some of the most common phobias that

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<v Speaker 2>are out there are like, you know, the fear of

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<v Speaker 2>the dark. How many people have are afraid of the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there's a video game called Afraid of the Dark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a classic video game. But oh no, that was

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<v Speaker 2>Alone in the Dark, Lone in the Dark, Alone in

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<v Speaker 2>the Dark. That was a great game. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first three D what was it was

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<v Speaker 2>two point five D video game. Yeah, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>But you'd play this character and you would have to

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<v Speaker 2>navigate these rooms. The rooms were static, but your character

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<v Speaker 2>was like this really primitive three D polygonal shape that

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<v Speaker 2>would go through the environments and look at things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's creepy polygons. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm using game development speech. Polygons,

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<v Speaker 2>polygonal polygamy and no, no, no, not polygamy. But anyway, so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the technical term for that is nickto phobia. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>nickto must be night and phobia must be fear of

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<v Speaker 2>So nicktophobia and oh, I'm just gonna say. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who have.

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<v Speaker 1>That, well, one of the most famous is Cano Reeves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he John Wick's scared of the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Scared of the dark. Well, and you know, there's been

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<v Speaker 2>interviews with him where he talks about it. It might

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<v Speaker 2>just be he's afraid of dying, which is the ultimate dark.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I need nicktophobia. What are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to say?

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I think that stems from a

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly normal place. Yeah, if so, In like an evolutionary standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>people growing up, they didn't have fire, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>light like we have now, and they were never able

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<v Speaker 1>to see in the dark. And that's when all the

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<v Speaker 1>bad things come out. That's a few irons and the coyotes,

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<v Speaker 1>the wolves, the alligators, whatever, they come out at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's your blind to enemies or things that

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<v Speaker 2>could destroy you, no wonder you're afraid of them. That.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, you know, if I have to go check the

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<v Speaker 1>hears something and it's dark and I step on the legos,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm afraid of the dark now because I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably gonna step on step a lego or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hate on that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's the worst to step in at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Poop dog poop that I've done that a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 2>of right in the middle of the floor. And then

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, you're stumbling out, you don't have your

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<v Speaker 2>glasses on, everything's bloring. You come out to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>go to the bathroom or whatever, and then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden you stick your foot in this smushy thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the worst part is after you do it, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to go in and wash your foot, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you're awake, and then you're waking foot in cold water

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<v Speaker 2>because you couldn't wait for the warm water travel across

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<v Speaker 2>she hides.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wouldn't keep a dog, does that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, And then by the morning she's so in there

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<v Speaker 2>whim bringing and cute that you feel bad for so

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<v Speaker 2>you give retreat. So it's almost like you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Rewarding before you throw her out on.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you reward for pooping on the floor. Is what

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<v Speaker 1>That's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it is bad, but anyway, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If I have big dog, big bladder, big dog.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, and those playing are drinking game, have a

424
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<v Speaker 2>drink on me.

425
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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I wus so like you never

426
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<v Speaker 1>walk out of your room step on an ice cube,

427
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<v Speaker 1>you know, like how do you do their fez? This

428
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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm thinking of. Oh yeah, I would like

429
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<v Speaker 1>just drop an ice cube like it melted a little

430
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<v Speaker 1>bit and then it snuck out of there and you'd

431
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<v Speaker 1>walk by in the middle night. You just step maybe

432
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<v Speaker 1>got your sock on, and it just like like an

433
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<v Speaker 1>ice cuber. Just the water is icy cold water, and

434
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<v Speaker 1>you're just like, what this isn't supposed to happen.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Ye see, Now this could be a phobia. It's called

436
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<v Speaker 2>the fear of stepping in wet spots. I so called

437
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<v Speaker 2>a phobia, fold a phobia. I don't know what I'm

438
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<v Speaker 2>what you said, Well, okay, So another common type of

439
00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:18.759
<v Speaker 2>phobia that people have would be the fear of heights. Yeah,

440
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have fear of heights.

441
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<v Speaker 1>You know that.

442
00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:24.079
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have that growing up. I was a gymnast man.

443
00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:26.759
<v Speaker 2>I was always doing crazy things with heights and stuff.

444
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<v Speaker 2>But I think I'm okay with heights. It's when I'm

445
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<v Speaker 2>with other people that I get, you know, the fear

446
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<v Speaker 2>of heights, which is also called.

447
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Acrophobia, acrophobia acrobat phobia.

448
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I get phobia acrophobia when I'm with somebody

449
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<v Speaker 2>like you and we're walking up to the edge of

450
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<v Speaker 2>a canyon and you're walking right up to the edge.

451
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<v Speaker 2>It's not for me because I know I'm not stupid.

452
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna stop.

453
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<v Speaker 1>He's stupid.

454
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you're gonna do.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Stupid, that's what it is.

456
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<v Speaker 2>Or when we took your mom to the Grand Canyon

457
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<v Speaker 2>and you just go marching up there without a care

458
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<v Speaker 2>in the world, right to the edge, and I'm like,

459
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you are six inches from death. Why would you do that?

460
00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Just stay away from the edge, because I know you're

461
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<v Speaker 2>a klutz. Just stay away from the edge. You don't

462
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<v Speaker 2>have catlike reflexes like me. Yeah, you know, you know

463
00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.720
<v Speaker 2>that's the thoughts that's going through my head. So yeah. Anyway,

464
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<v Speaker 2>the fear of heights, that's a real common thing, it is.

465
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's another one of those things is natural.

466
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are people who can't walk up to

467
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<v Speaker 1>a cliffage. Maybe they got vertigo. Then they get up there,

468
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<v Speaker 1>look down and yet there over. But for me, it's like,

469
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'll get up to a foot without feeling weird.

470
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<v Speaker 1>Anything past a foot I'm getting real cautious.

471
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<v Speaker 2>But a foot, yeah, unless you're gonna trip on a

472
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<v Speaker 2>shoelacer or something I don't.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Do, like a freaking marathon, you know, like.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Running distance stop. No, Well, okay, one other thing I'm

475
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<v Speaker 2>gonna say about that. You know, if other people that

476
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<v Speaker 2>I don't care about go up to the edge of something,

477
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<v Speaker 2>I don't get acrophobia. It's only the people I love

478
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<v Speaker 2>and care about when they get up close to that's

479
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<v Speaker 2>when I get asked.

480
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<v Speaker 1>That's like a protective thing.

481
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it actually ties into something that I

482
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<v Speaker 2>would consider kind of an O C D thing that

483
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell later when we get into some more

484
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<v Speaker 2>serious stuff that I used to have concerning my sister

485
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.839
<v Speaker 2>and heights. But well, i'll save that.

486
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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. Yeah, you know what that makes me think

487
00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>of is like, there's the Grand Canyon. Yeah, there's an

488
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<v Speaker 1>insane amount of deaths and injuries that people fallen. Yeah,

489
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.880
<v Speaker 1>they too close for that perfect photo op or whatever,

490
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<v Speaker 1>and then.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Or they're playing with their phone and walk right over

492
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<v Speaker 2>the edge. Yeah, yeah for sure. And then you know,

493
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<v Speaker 2>why would you ever take your kids there? Right unless

494
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<v Speaker 2>they're on like some leash. I would never take my

495
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>kid Ali to the Grand Canyon and let them wander around,

496
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<v Speaker 2>not as a young kid, No, because they don't have

497
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<v Speaker 2>guardrails on those trails. So if you let them go

498
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<v Speaker 2>and they walk too close to the edge and they

499
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<v Speaker 2>trip and fall like they always do at home.

500
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<v Speaker 1>It could fall on a freaking hair on the ground.

501
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.079
<v Speaker 2>They're gone. Yeah, that's you know, that's nightmare stuff for me.

502
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't even like thinking about. Let's move on to

503
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<v Speaker 2>so one thing I was going to say about acrophobia

504
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<v Speaker 2>is that there are a lot of famous people who

505
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:16.119
<v Speaker 2>have acrophobia, and some of them are surprising, like Sylvester Stallone.

506
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he had it, but Sylvester Stallone

507
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>had acrophobia alone. Sylvester Stallone, you know, and he did

508
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<v Speaker 2>like Cliffhanger. He did a lot of movies where he's

509
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<v Speaker 2>an action hero and hanging. Like even in Rambo he

510
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:35.640
<v Speaker 2>jumps off that cliff into a tree hanglicopter. Yes, that guy,

511
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, supposedly he has acrophobia. Matt Damon another guy

512
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>who's very famous for his movies. And then Sheryl Crow

513
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:45.200
<v Speaker 2>also has fear of heights. So anyway, there's a lot

514
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<v Speaker 2>of people in that club. If you have acrophobia, you're

515
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<v Speaker 2>not alone. Okay, So another one. Let's talk about the

516
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<v Speaker 2>fear of water hydrophobia. So a lot of people are

517
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<v Speaker 2>afraid of the water. Some people are afraid of water

518
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<v Speaker 2>for multiple things. Some people don't like to even get

519
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>in the shower because they're so afraid of water. It's

520
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:07.000
<v Speaker 2>like this weird sensation thing other people are afraid of,

521
00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:08.279
<v Speaker 2>like what's under the water.

522
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I used to kind of have that.

523
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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people, I mean people that go out

524
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<v Speaker 2>in the ocean and they dump in the ocean and

525
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.039
<v Speaker 2>they swim along the surface and that's big fun. Well,

526
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:21.599
<v Speaker 2>another classification of people would never in hell be caught

527
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<v Speaker 2>out in the water because there are sea monsters under there.

528
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I've been to the ocean once. Well I've been to

529
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<v Speaker 1>like in the ocean on the ocean in a boat,

530
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<v Speaker 1>you know once. That's not two sharks. Yeah right, I'm

531
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<v Speaker 1>not going out there.

532
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, just they got those urchins that one sting would

533
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.319
<v Speaker 2>kill you one sting urchins they're jellyfish, but yeah, you know,

534
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>one thing would kill you. See snakes, most venomous snakes

535
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:45.440
<v Speaker 2>in the world are in the ocean.

536
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're like right up by the top.

537
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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just saying I'm just went out there. There's

538
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.839
<v Speaker 2>like giant squids. They know that things is right. There's

539
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:57.319
<v Speaker 2>there's like like these giant fish creatures. It is terrifying.

540
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<v Speaker 2>You don't know. You're up there in ignorance and blood.

541
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, up there on the surface, but underneath is

542
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.559
<v Speaker 2>a swordfish, a million ways to die fish, little after weapon.

543
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.400
<v Speaker 2>So I can understand hydrophobia. I don't have it. I

544
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.480
<v Speaker 2>don't if I go swimm into whatever. I might think, Oh,

545
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I hope there's not a shark under here, but I don't.

546
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't worry about it doesn't bother me.

547
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I have a weird one where we're when we're waiting

548
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>across the river.

549
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:21.880
<v Speaker 2>We do that regularly.

550
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I always wear those sandals. I'm afraid of stepping on

551
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>like an old fish hook. Oh yeah, and then like

552
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.160
<v Speaker 1>getting it caught on a rock and it's just like

553
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>ripping into my skin and the water is cold and

554
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel it. And then I ripped a bunch.

555
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<v Speaker 2>Of Well, I've actually had a weird happen I've stepped

556
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>on the fish hook. Didn't spear me, fortunately, but I

557
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.000
<v Speaker 2>got the fishing line wrapped around my big toe and

558
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:46.640
<v Speaker 2>it was stuck in there. And then when I got over,

559
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I was dragging, which was stupid if I you know,

560
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:50.480
<v Speaker 2>thinking about it. When I finally got to this shore,

561
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I was dragging this all these tangled fish line, and

562
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.359
<v Speaker 2>sure enough there was like a treble hook with like

563
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.640
<v Speaker 2>a lure. Yeah. If I would have stepped on it wrong,

564
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.759
<v Speaker 2>that would have gone right to my foot. Yeah, that's

565
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.240
<v Speaker 2>a whole different phobia though.

566
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>You know what hydrophobia reminds me of what prair to

567
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 1>be impressed. Do you remember that play they did in

568
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Twin Falls Captain knows traveling Zoo, Yes, I do, he says,

569
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<v Speaker 1>my name is Sham. I am in charge of gathering

570
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>the animals by finding them and placing as classifieds in

571
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>person Also, I found the pack up packets and also

572
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:26.599
<v Speaker 1>hydrophobic groups that got a snake, anaerobic germs, anaerobic germs. Yeah,

573
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 1>my name is Sham.

574
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I am in charge of gathering the animals. We're finding

575
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>them by placing ads and classifieds and personals. We found

576
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.799
<v Speaker 2>the packup packing Dunson. Also, hydrophobic ones have got a

577
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>snake that kindess worms. And here's some anaerobic germs erroman Yeah,

578
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.319
<v Speaker 2>shout out to General Montana's if you ever listen to

579
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>this podcast, there you go. Yeah, fun time.

580
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a peak of my childhood messed up.

581
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So those are those are really common. There's a

582
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:51.400
<v Speaker 2>bunch more. I mean that we could go on with

583
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 2>common things, but they're not as fun as when you

584
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.359
<v Speaker 2>get into the more strange phobias that people have or

585
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>quirks that people have. I thought it would be fun

586
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>to go in a few of those. One of those

587
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 2>fears which your mom has, it's a phobia. It's called

588
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the fear of making decisions. It's called decide of phobia.

589
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>I think every woman has that.

590
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of women do.

591
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Not sexist, but yes, I've asked a woman where to eat.

592
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm sexy, I'm the sexiest man.

593
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>I can't say that in these days. Oh yeah, no,

594
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>i'm sexiest, I said sexiest. No, I said, I'm sexiest man.

595
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Alive and always Yeah, okay, you don't agree, Okay, So anyway,

596
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.359
<v Speaker 2>decide to phobia. So, yeah, your mom does not like

597
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to be the one that has to make the final

598
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>decision in case it's wrong. She always wants to, like,

599
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, give that responsibility to somebody else, so she

600
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 2>doesn't take full responsibility when ownership goes south. Yeah okay.

601
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Another one is the fear of beards. So I thought

602
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.799
<v Speaker 2>this is funny. Yeah, if anybody has the fear of

603
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 2>beards right now or what do they call it? Paganophobiaanophobia?

604
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>If they have paganaphobia, they are screwed right now, because

605
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.039
<v Speaker 2>I'd say ninety percent of all males and some females

606
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 2>have beards right now, and some females.

607
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 1>This is the greatest show. Yeah, that's kind of why

608
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 1>I shaved my beard off for a while.

609
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>You were had I had a beard.

610
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.039
<v Speaker 1>No, just I had a phobia looking like a hipster,

611
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 1>and in doing that, I was kind of a hipster.

612
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, you just gotta be yourself, man, be true

613
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 2>to yourself. What's that to thine own self? Be true

614
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>to thine.

615
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Own set true. I don't know that. I don't listen

616
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.079
<v Speaker 1>to things that have the word thine in it. All right,

617
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 1>going to eat? Ok, let's keep going.

618
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, another uh, not so common phobia. Let's talk about

619
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the fear of felines, the fear of cats.

620
00:29:58.400 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Thatt's are gross.

621
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Some people are terrified of cats.

622
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>My wife she hates them. She hisses at him. It's weird.

623
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, they're so unpredictable. Yeah, who knows what

624
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 2>they're going to do. They're just like crazy animals. Well

625
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 2>some of them. You know, we can't we gotta be

626
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 2>politically correct. We can't classify them all together.

627
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 1>I got a funny cat story. Okay, speaking of unpredictable animals.

628
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<v Speaker 1>So I was like a week into my new job

629
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<v Speaker 1>at an h VAC company. Huh, shout out to make

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<v Speaker 1>fate seating and air Conditioning in Boise, Idaho, Sonya and Jamie,

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<v Speaker 1>that's three seven five twenty seven seven d There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>You can anyway, I'm sitting there and kind of waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the owner and everybody to get moving. I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got my butt on the bumper of the work fan,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of leaning forward on my knees, you know, out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. I just have this terrible, stinging, scratching pain

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<v Speaker 1>in my back and it was like, ah what pretty painful,

638
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<v Speaker 1>and like a thud, something heavy hit my back and

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<v Speaker 1>I stood up and something's clawn onto me and I

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<v Speaker 1>reached back and I just kind of grab it and

641
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<v Speaker 1>fling it away, you know, and then it was like right, cat,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet little cat just decided to kind of jump down

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<v Speaker 1>on me, and then it probably started falling and grabbed me.

644
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<v Speaker 1>But then it hurt, and then I grabbed it and

645
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<v Speaker 1>flinged it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that would be terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>It was out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you have something in common with Napoleon Bonaparte. Really, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a very famous person who had a laura phobia,

650
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<v Speaker 2>a Laura phobia, a Laura phobia. Yeah, so Napoleon Bonaparte,

651
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<v Speaker 2>and you had a lauraphobia.

652
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I have.

653
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<v Speaker 2>Only when they jump on you without them.

654
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<v Speaker 1>But when they jump on you randomly, I mean.

655
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a weird one. So another one Alfred Hitchcock.

656
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<v Speaker 2>He had a fear of eggs, like he thought they

657
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<v Speaker 2>were gross. He thought people who ate them were gross.

658
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<v Speaker 2>It was disgusting. How could this white when you crack

659
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>it open and the yellow pussy like stuff squirts out,

660
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<v Speaker 2>how could that be anything good? And that was called

661
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<v Speaker 2>ovophobia like ovarian overy ovo phobia, So Alfred Hitchcock had that.

662
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<v Speaker 2>Another famous phobia person is Nicole Kidman, who had pita opterophobia.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid of butterfly bread butterflies.

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<v Speaker 2>She had an experience that she talks about when she

665
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<v Speaker 2>was a kid that she would walk home and this

666
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<v Speaker 2>is in Australia, and when she get to the gate

667
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<v Speaker 2>of her house, often on the gate was a butterfly

668
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<v Speaker 2>and it terrified her and so she would walk way

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<v Speaker 2>out of her way or climb over the fence to

670
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<v Speaker 2>avoid having to come into confrontation with a butterfly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it could have been like huge with things. I

673
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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but whatever, it was, Yeah, she didn't want

674
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<v Speaker 2>to want to experience the butterflies in Australia.

675
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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't be surprised if there's some like poisonous butterfly.

676
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<v Speaker 2>Another one is the fear of clowns. Guess who has

677
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<v Speaker 2>a fear of clowns or otherwise known as calbraphobia. Who's

678
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 2>that Johnny Depp?

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<v Speaker 1>He says a crucial thing. You're saying if a man

680
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<v Speaker 1>comes in to him, let's go amazing, that makes him

681
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<v Speaker 1>skate of him.

682
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<v Speaker 2>That's really good, this mumble and words like yeah, well

683
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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp has a lot of problems right now if

684
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<v Speaker 2>you follow any kind of news or you know, celebrity stories.

685
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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, poor Johnny, We're we're praying for you, man.

686
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, he has a fear of clowns. And and

687
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<v Speaker 2>so one of the ones that I thought was really funny,

688
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<v Speaker 2>well it's not even funny. What is funny because it's

689
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<v Speaker 2>so weird. It's like a paradox. Right, So there is

690
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<v Speaker 2>a phobia of having a phobia. Whoa So, so you're

691
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<v Speaker 2>worried that you are that you have a phobia, and

692
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<v Speaker 2>it gives you a phobia, and it's called phobo phobia,

693
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<v Speaker 2>phoo phobia, it's a real thing. Foot Yeah. I don't

694
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<v Speaker 2>know if I have a phobophobia or not. I know

695
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<v Speaker 2>I have some phobias.

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<v Speaker 1>I can kind of understand that because, like people like me,

697
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<v Speaker 1>you're pretty judgmental of the way people act and things

698
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<v Speaker 1>that they do. And I could understand being afraid of

699
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<v Speaker 1>being seen as the person who's afraid of something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So it's that kind of thing.

701
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<v Speaker 2>So what's weird And we talked about this a little

702
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<v Speaker 2>bit when we first started talking on the subject, is

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of these phobias or quirks can give

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<v Speaker 2>way when they become extreme to obsessive compulsive disorders or

705
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<v Speaker 2>mental disorders. So a lot of these things are connected

706
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<v Speaker 2>because if say, you're afraid of the dark, and that

707
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<v Speaker 2>causes you to do something that is obsessive compulsive because

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to be in the dark. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you have to strap yourself with twenty four hundred battery

710
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<v Speaker 2>powered LEDs to go outside when it's dark. I mean,

711
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<v Speaker 2>that's an obsessive compulsive disorder that's actually triggered by your

712
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 2>fear of the dark. So I mean these things are

713
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<v Speaker 2>all kind of married together. So like my fear of

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<v Speaker 2>maybe going into the bathroom at the kindergarten because I

715
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<v Speaker 2>was afraid there was poison on the wall in the

716
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<v Speaker 2>form of mold was probably an OCD behavior, but it

717
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 2>was triggered by my fear of toxophobia. So these things

718
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of all kind of gelled together. So one of

719
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<v Speaker 2>the common phobias that people have, and some of them

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<v Speaker 2>are very benign, they're just people are aware of it

721
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 2>and other people are extreme, is germaphobia, and germophobes are

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<v Speaker 2>all ovia. It's also called.

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<v Speaker 1>Germophobia is all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it didn't even mean to I'm so clever. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's also called miso phobia, which is different than your

726
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>miso phonia. Phobia and phonia are different things, and they're

727
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<v Speaker 2>spelled a little different. One is miso that's the fear

728
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<v Speaker 2>of chewing sounds, and then the other one is mysophobia,

729
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.840
<v Speaker 2>which is being a germophobe, so you're afraid you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get some kind of disease.

731
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<v Speaker 1>Which is pretty much everybody in today's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, right now with COVID nineteen, everybody is becoming

733
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<v Speaker 2>or has already become a germophobe or a virophobe seems

734
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 2>to be. Yeah, we could call it a virophobia. Virophobe, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>could be. But anyway, whatever your thoughts are on that,

736
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<v Speaker 2>that's a different subject. We're not going to go there.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to avoid that political quagmire and we're just

738
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<v Speaker 2>gonna like truck right on. Yeah. Germophobia. So a lot

739
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>of famous people are germophobes, a lot of non famous

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00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.599
<v Speaker 2>people are germophobes. A lot of you listening might be

741
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<v Speaker 2>to some degree or another a germophobe.

742
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<v Speaker 1>Isn't the guy from like deal or no Deal or

743
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>oh Howie Mendel, Let's make a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Howie Mandel is a famous germophobe. He also does

745
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>America's Got Talent? Okay, Yeah, and he is very well

746
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<v Speaker 2>known as somebody who does not like to be touched

747
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.280
<v Speaker 2>or to touch people. Is it him or it might

748
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>even Donald Trump, because Donald Trump as far as his

749
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>desire to shake hands, he doesn't like shaking hands. And

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<v Speaker 2>somebody calls it a human Petri dish, which is your

751
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<v Speaker 2>hand when you shake Yeah, yeah, and that might be

752
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Howie Mandel. I know the other guy, the famous radio

753
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:24.480
<v Speaker 2>announcer shock Jock Howard Stern, Howard Stern, he's a germophobe.

754
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Howard Mendel, Howie Howie Mandel, and Howard Stern.

755
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Howard Stern, they're both germophobes. It must be something to

756
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:36.400
<v Speaker 2>do with Howard how I don't know, but okay, I'm

757
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<v Speaker 2>gonna throw one more in there, Okay, okay, as far

758
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<v Speaker 2>as extreme germophobes go. And he's also a how No.

759
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Howard Hughes. Now, Howard Hughes is a really famous million

760
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 2>billionaire guy from like the nineteen fifties. So this guy

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<v Speaker 2>for the name, yeah, I mean he he started Hughes

762
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<v Speaker 2>air West. He had an airline and then he bought tea.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this guy, he's done a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an engineer, he designed airplanes, did all kinds

765
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<v Speaker 2>of crazy stuff. I mean he said speed records and airplanes.

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<v Speaker 2>And he crashed in an airplane. And he had this wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Life as its owner, backer, builder, and pilot. Howard Hughes

768
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<v Speaker 3>brings the plane in from its test flight or a

769
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<v Speaker 3>landing at the dangerous speed of seventy five miles an hour.

770
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<v Speaker 3>It's only nineteen thirty five, yet millionaire sportsman Howard Hughes

771
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<v Speaker 3>has flown over three hundred miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>He made movies, he bought a movie studio. He was famous,

773
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<v Speaker 2>he'd actually won like oscars. This guy had like the

774
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<v Speaker 2>ideal life. He was a playboy. He slept with all

775
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<v Speaker 2>kinds of Hollywood starlets, and he at the end of

776
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<v Speaker 2>World War Two and into the Cold War, there was

777
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<v Speaker 2>a Russian submarine that sunk and they couldn't locate The

778
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<v Speaker 2>Russians can locate it. Well, the CIA used some sophisticated

779
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<v Speaker 2>devices at that time, and they located the submarine and

780
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.519
<v Speaker 2>they basically commissioned Howard Hughes to be affront for the

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<v Speaker 2>CIA to develop this this ship that was going to

782
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<v Speaker 2>go out, and they actually were able to recover most

783
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<v Speaker 2>of this sunken submarine and gave us all kinds of

784
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 2>insight into their technology and stuff. So he did a

785
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<v Speaker 2>lot of crazy things. He was involved with, like these

786
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 2>super secret spook stuff, and I mean he was like

787
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<v Speaker 2>every man's ideal man, right. But what Godham wasn't the

788
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>fear of any of that stuff that he did. It

789
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 2>was the fear of being contaminated by germs crazy, and

790
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>he got so extreme that like in the seventies, he'd

791
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<v Speaker 2>moved all over the place, all over the world. He

792
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<v Speaker 2>would basically go into like a luxury suite in a hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have his help there. They would basically strip

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<v Speaker 2>the place of anything that could be contamped dominated. He

795
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<v Speaker 2>would lay on the bed naked at night so that

796
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<v Speaker 2>he could not touch anything that would contaminate him. He

797
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<v Speaker 2>quit like brushing his teeth out of fear that he

798
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<v Speaker 2>would bringing germs and stuff into his mouth. Yeah, he

799
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't trim his nails or his toenails. He would put

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<v Speaker 2>tissue boxes on his feet and walk around so he

801
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<v Speaker 2>didn't touch the floor. I mean, he went off the

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<v Speaker 2>deep end. He wasn't even recognizable from that playboy guy

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<v Speaker 2>when he was at his heyday as this millionaire. But

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<v Speaker 2>when he died, he weighed ninety pounds. He was on

805
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<v Speaker 2>a flight coming back to the United States to try

806
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<v Speaker 2>to help him, and apparently because he was also addicted

807
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<v Speaker 2>to different drugs, he his kidney shut down and he died.

808
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<v Speaker 2>He weighed ninety pounds. Crazy, Yeah, I mean, it's weird,

809
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<v Speaker 2>weird story. So we have the trifecta of Howards that

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<v Speaker 2>have germophobia.

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<v Speaker 1>Three Howards walk into a bar. They all washed their hands,

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<v Speaker 1>then jeez.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that was bad though.

814
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<v Speaker 1>That was bad, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one that was famous for germophobes was Nicola Tesla. Tesla,

816
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<v Speaker 2>Now Tesla was a super genius. He was a I

817
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<v Speaker 2>think he was from Serbia, right. Originally he had studied

818
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<v Speaker 2>engineering and stuff, and he was in always conflict with

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Edison. As you know, they're trying to get all

820
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<v Speaker 2>of the electric stuff going in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like a race going for AC and DC power,

822
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<v Speaker 1>which one's more efficient and safer and.

823
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<v Speaker 2>Right, And Nicola was the AC guy and Edison was

824
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<v Speaker 2>the DC guy. But anyway, they tore the sheets and

825
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 2>they had altercations. But Nicola Tesla was kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 2>He had germophobia and another phobia which was strange, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was because he messed around with electricity, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was his fear of women's jewelry. Yeah, he had

829
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<v Speaker 2>a fear of women's jewelry. It was called cosmemophobia.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that again, cosmemophobia cosmemophi.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he was afraid of women's jewelry, especially the big,

832
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<v Speaker 2>heavy metal jewelry. And maybe it was because it was

833
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<v Speaker 2>conductive and he was afraid he was going to get electrocuted.

834
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this guy, they said he was so anal

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, his hygiene that he would wash his

836
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 2>hands multiple multiple times. They said he'd go through seventeen

837
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 2>towels in one day. Wow to you know, basically get

838
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>rid of that phobia or two offset it now. So

839
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.599
<v Speaker 2>these are when they get that extreme, those things basically

840
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 2>become obsessive compulsive disorders, right, And there are a lot

841
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.719
<v Speaker 2>of those things around that are just really really strange.

842
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I wonder where the fear of women's jewelry comes from.

843
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Not men's jewelry, yeah, yeah, I'm imagining not a lot

844
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 1>of guys wore jewelry back then, but like rings and watches.

845
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know.

846
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe maybe he got picked up and the lady

847
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 2>had a broach and had a pin he got poked.

848
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 1>When he was a kid, or scared him from there, yeah.

849
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Or you know, you hug him and they shit to

850
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, hug you up close and you're young and elementary,

851
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.920
<v Speaker 2>squack his head on, mack your head into a brooch,

852
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>or Ryanstone gets stuck in your nose.

853
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it could be Ryanstone. Well, okay, not

854
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>what they put on like cowboy pants, maybe it was

855
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.280
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of turquoise.

856
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know something in a brooch or a necklace.

857
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know something that's a weird one.

858
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 2>It is a weird one.

859
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I like to conductor metaphor. I think of that a

860
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.199
<v Speaker 1>lot as a welder. You know, when I'm using like

861
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 1>high frequency AC, it'll like kind of every once in

862
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a while, it's just like maybe you gotta it'll like

863
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.440
<v Speaker 1>get you. It's just like it. And I don't know

864
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 1>what does it through my glove. I think I'm just

865
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>super conducted.

866
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe it's a nerve problem.

867
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Nerve problem. Yeah, yeah, my nerves freak out when they

868
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 1>get hit with electricity.

869
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 2>That's the problem. So do you have anything that you

870
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:51.599
<v Speaker 2>want to share. I've been bringing these things out.

871
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you had like a full I know.

872
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm prepared, man, That's what happens when you get older,

873
00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>you get organized.

874
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you put it in the tunnel. Must be nice.

875
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>No kids running around?

876
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean you're running around?

877
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not running around your house.

878
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:07.639
<v Speaker 2>We are tonight.

879
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm not throwing Eggi's on the floor in the morning.

880
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 2>This is true.

881
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Crying about a bottle in the middle of the night.

882
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of a bottle beer break. Oh that was a

883
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>good beer as what you think?

884
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:21.159
<v Speaker 3>That's good?

885
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I got it right here.

886
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.159
<v Speaker 2>I like beer breaks. Beer breaks are good.

887
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, speaking of kind of maybe our next topic.

888
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 1>One thing that really bothers me is when you pour

889
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>a beer into a glass like this, and the foam

890
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the head or whatever on the beer makes like those

891
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 1>what do you call that dirty kind.

892
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Of have those spots.

893
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it has like a residue that that stays the

894
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>foam kind of lingers and stays on the on the

895
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>top of the glass, and it creates like a weird

896
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of texture, Yeah, textured pattern. That bothers me. So

897
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I try to always drink my beer in like a.

898
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Circle and kind of rents those down.

899
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 1>As you go and like tip them so that it

900
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of race is the Yeah. I don't know why

901
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. It doesn't have anything to do.

902
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I have the same kind of thing I do, you

903
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>know which kind of brings us to that. A lot

904
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of times phobias and quirks can kind of lead or

905
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 2>are married to a type of OCD or obsessive compulsive disorder.

906
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 1>Right, you brought that up earlier.

907
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think it's something we should talk about

908
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 2>because it is highly prevalent in the types of weird

909
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 2>phobias and quirks that we're moving towards. It's something that

910
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 2>happens when it gets really noticeable for other people. Then

911
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you're on the fringe of being obsessive compulsive about that, right,

912
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 2>And it's not necessarily a laughing matter, because it's quite serious.

913
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.119
<v Speaker 2>For a lot of people, these disorders can totally ruin

914
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.239
<v Speaker 2>their lives. But at the same time, some of these

915
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 2>things are kind of humorous, and we try to keep

916
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.320
<v Speaker 2>a light hearted kind of atmosphere on most of this discussion.

917
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.480
<v Speaker 2>I think from here on out, when we start talking

918
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 2>about the more severe forms of OCD and the married

919
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 2>phobias that go with it, it's a little more sobering,

920
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 2>unlike our beer so anyway, So, obsessive compulsive disorders are

921
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 2>basically anything that jumps into your mind. It could be

922
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 2>an image or a thought, or a thing that kind

923
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>of makes you have a compulsive need to take care

924
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 2>of it. Yeah, it could be something that you're afraid of,

925
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>or it could be something that you feel like you

926
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>need to do. It could be an image, it could

927
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:27.760
<v Speaker 2>be all kinds of things.

928
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.559
<v Speaker 1>So, like on a basic level, maybe you feel like

929
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 1>somebody's watching you, so you feel like you need to

930
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 1>look over your shoulder constantly, but you never there's anybody there, right,

931
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing.

932
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 2>So somebody feels like if they're walking down the road

933
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.679
<v Speaker 2>that they have to make sure they count the number

934
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of lines or cracks in the sidewalk, and then at

935
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.119
<v Speaker 2>the end of a certain number, they have to like

936
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 2>take a step backwards, or perhaps they have to jump

937
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the last crack, or maybe have to step on the

938
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.960
<v Speaker 2>last crack. It could be if you step on one

939
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:02.679
<v Speaker 2>crack that you need to make sure you step on

940
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 2>another crack with your other foot in a certain number

941
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 2>of steps.

942
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's not like a game. It's not like a

943
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 1>mental like I'm going to occupy my time right now.

944
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.079
<v Speaker 1>It's like a thing where you kind of you feel

945
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 1>like you have to if you do, don't you kind

946
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of feel like you should go back and fix it.

947
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, a common one that some people have, like

948
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 2>say the way that you hang toilet paper. Okay, do

949
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 2>you put the paper over or do you put it under.

950
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 1>The internet debate of the thing.

951
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that for some people is an obsessive, compulsive disorder.

952
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:37.239
<v Speaker 2>However mild, it's still a disorder because they will actually

953
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.480
<v Speaker 2>go in if it's wrong, and they will fix it

954
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 2>because it bothers them if it's the wrong way, good

955
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>for them. Yeah, So you know that's a little more mild.

956
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>But there are extreme.

957
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Cases of this stuff like that Monk TV show.

958
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Monk, yeah, exactly.

959
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Just couldn't function without like.

960
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Doing certain things. Yeah. And you know, you can get

961
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>online and read some stories for some of these people.

962
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel a lot of empathy for a lot of

963
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:05.039
<v Speaker 2>them because even though it sounds funny, I was reading

964
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>one article where a boyfriend of a lady who had

965
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 2>obsessive compulsive disorder. She had to have everything straightened, had

966
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>to have everything organized, couldn't have any mess on any counters,

967
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 2>all the pins you know that were on the desk

968
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 2>had to be lined up exactly right. And his big

969
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.599
<v Speaker 2>fun thing was to go out and kind of mess

970
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.679
<v Speaker 2>him up every time she'd turn her head and it

971
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.119
<v Speaker 2>would drive her crazy driver insane. And then he went

972
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>to one of the appointments where she was meeting with

973
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.159
<v Speaker 2>a counselor to help her deal with her OCD, and

974
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.920
<v Speaker 2>there was a little kid there who obviously was out

975
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and who had a different form of OCD, and he

976
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.039
<v Speaker 2>was walking on the cracks and he had to like

977
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 2>take walks around the cracks and then jump three times

978
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 2>and then fall down to his knees then jump up,

979
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.719
<v Speaker 2>and he described this elaborate kind of thing, and the

980
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 2>parent or the psychiatrist or whatever that was helping made

981
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 2>him step away from his routine and he just fell

982
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 2>sobbing on the floor because he couldn't complete his ritual,

983
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 2>his obsessive compulsive ritual. The guy was so impacted by it.

984
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Every time he went home he made sure that he

985
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 2>lined everything up neatly for her, because all of a

986
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.519
<v Speaker 2>sudden he realized the impact of not having.

987
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.199
<v Speaker 1>It right right wasn't a joke anymore.

988
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's a really frustrating thing. It's odd and for

989
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.159
<v Speaker 2>some of this we might think it's a little humorous,

990
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 2>but it's quite debilitating for a lot of people.

991
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of times, on like a minor scale,

992
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 1>when people do things subconsciously or involuntarily, it can be

993
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny. So like let's say you're at a

994
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.039
<v Speaker 1>dinner party and there's somebody at the table who you know,

995
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 1>he'll take a drink and then he'll tap his fork

996
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 1>on that plate and you're like, why does he keep clinking?

997
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:54.159
<v Speaker 1>And then isn't there, Like it becomes a thing, and

998
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I don't know, I just keep clinking my fork.

999
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 1>I can't help.

1000
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot of sinful episodes where they did

1001
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:00.599
<v Speaker 2>weird things like that.

1002
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I know, for like myself, Like we were just talking about,

1003
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, workouts and going to the gym and stuff.

1004
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.480
<v Speaker 1>If I lift some weights and I pick up the

1005
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>weight from the rack with my right arm, if I

1006
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 1>take it off with my right arm, again, I feel weird,

1007
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.760
<v Speaker 1>like I've done more with my right arm, so I

1008
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>have to take it off with my left arm and

1009
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>then put it back on. You know, like my brain

1010
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.480
<v Speaker 1>tells me I have to do the same amount no

1011
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.119
<v Speaker 1>matter what, and it will kind of bother me a

1012
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:29.239
<v Speaker 1>little bit if I don't. And sometimes I don't just

1013
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.679
<v Speaker 1>to like, you know, be more time efficient, but it

1014
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 1>will linger in my head and then the rest of

1015
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the day. Like if I have to, you know, tighten

1016
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 1>a long screw on a machine I'm working on, I

1017
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.360
<v Speaker 1>use my left hand instead of my right and it'll linger.

1018
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 2>It'll like wait, wait a minute, I need to use

1019
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 2>my right or I need to offset that.

1020
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 1>I need to take care of the fact that I

1021
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.559
<v Speaker 1>lifted the weight off the rack twice with my right arm.

1022
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I need some equilibrium get in this. Yeah, it's really weird,

1023
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you know. That's one of the really common ocds is that, Okay,

1024
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 2>if I touch something with my right fingertip, then I

1025
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 2>need to touch it with the left fingertip. It's like

1026
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 2>they need to equalize things, or if they put something

1027
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:09.840
<v Speaker 2>on the right side, they need to do something on

1028
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the left side as well. And sometimes even when you're driving,

1029
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>people will say, oh, I'm driving too much in the

1030
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>right lane. I need to drive now in the left lane.

1031
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh, and they'll make a lane change just yeah, satisfy that.

1032
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just so that they get satisfied. Or some will

1033
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>be so extreme it's like, Okay, I'm going to drive

1034
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.320
<v Speaker 2>two miles in the right lane, two miles in the

1035
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.440
<v Speaker 2>left lane, and they'll they'll have a pattern or a

1036
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 2>sequence of letters or numbers that they have to do.

1037
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.960
<v Speaker 2>It's really really weird. There's no controlling it. It's in

1038
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 2>people that are doing it realize that it's strange. The

1039
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:44.199
<v Speaker 2>ramifications of not doing what they feel like they need

1040
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.519
<v Speaker 2>to do is way worse than just going ahead and

1041
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.400
<v Speaker 2>basically surrendering to the urge.

1042
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.320
<v Speaker 1>As far as like anxiety goes. Yeah, crazy, yeah, so crazy.

1043
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 1>So now imagine you've got that desire, you've got that

1044
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 1>OCD to do something, and imagine if that something is

1045
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.639
<v Speaker 1>something bad. So that's where things get really really hard

1046
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:11.519
<v Speaker 1>and difficult. Because if you're fixated on something, you can

1047
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 1>fixate on numbers or something, and that's kind of innocuous.

1048
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But what if you have a fixation on something visual,

1049
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.840
<v Speaker 1>some kind of imagery or thought that's in your brain

1050
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 1>of something you must do and that whatever it is

1051
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.320
<v Speaker 1>is bad. That sounds like a horror movie.

1052
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it is. It's horrific for those people.

1053
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes it's something they would never do, but they

1054
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>can't get the image out of their head. Yeah. So

1055
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 2>OCD can be something that is totally something that's confined

1056
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.920
<v Speaker 2>within your mind. It's a it's a vision, it's an

1057
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 2>image of something, and that's really really hard for people.

1058
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.639
<v Speaker 2>There are cases where like people are afraid that they

1059
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 2>are going to cheat yes OK, or they're going to

1060
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 2>not be able to say no to have in some

1061
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of relationship with another sexual relationship even though they

1062
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:09.559
<v Speaker 2>never would in real life. They have that phobia and

1063
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 2>it leads to an obsessive compulsive disorder where they have

1064
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to do extreme things to try to avoid that situation.

1065
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe those images are so strong they don't even

1066
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 2>know if they're true or fault anymore. But like this

1067
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>has resulted in people like creating chastity belts for themselves

1068
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 2>so that they would know that in giving somebody else

1069
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 2>the key, so that they would know that they could not,

1070
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, cheat or fulfill that image in their mind

1071
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:41.639
<v Speaker 2>that's something and it doesn't you know what if it's

1072
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>it could be an image of like that you steal

1073
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.719
<v Speaker 2>something even though you never would. In your mind, you're

1074
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:50.760
<v Speaker 2>afraid if you go into a certain store, you're going

1075
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to steal something.

1076
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't that mean an answer to They're like, why'd you

1077
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:54.559
<v Speaker 1>steal it?

1078
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, well, you know, and a lot of

1079
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.679
<v Speaker 2>people like, okay, you can get into kleptomania, which is

1080
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.719
<v Speaker 2>an their thing, and and that's this is all marry.

1081
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:05.760
<v Speaker 2>This is all kind of like all wrapped together. It's

1082
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty disheartening, I'm sure for people that are suffering for

1083
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the other people they just think people are crazy and weird.

1084
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 2>You go down this path, it gets weirder and weirder.

1085
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.639
<v Speaker 2>One of the weirdest things that I ran across is

1086
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:22.119
<v Speaker 2>this thing called the Pika disorder. Pika, Yeah, pika, p

1087
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 2>I c a maybe they call it, maybe they pronounce

1088
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it pika, but I think it's looks like a pika

1089
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's a Basically, it's a psychological eating disorder. What

1090
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:38.639
<v Speaker 2>differentiates this from other disorders like blameia or anorexia is

1091
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that this disorder is found in people who have an

1092
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:49.000
<v Speaker 2>inexplicable need to eat something that has no nutritional value.

1093
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Like a stool or a chair.

1094
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.840
<v Speaker 2>It could be anything. Wow. So some of the more

1095
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>common ones are people will eat mud.

1096
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, and that means they're anemic.

1097
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:04.039
<v Speaker 2>That would not be pika. That would be you know, some.

1098
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Kind of nutritional deficit, right, but Pike.

1099
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Would be No, I need to eat mud for some

1100
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 2>reason other than nutritional value. It's caused by something else.

1101
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 2>And so okay, So MUD's one thing that okay, yeah,

1102
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe you need more. I don't know what iron in

1103
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.760
<v Speaker 2>your diet or something. But what if it's something like

1104
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I need to eat ice no nutritional value, but I

1105
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.679
<v Speaker 2>mean I have the compulsion I need to go eat ice.

1106
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not talking about getting ice cube. I'm talking

1107
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 2>about I'm going to go to the lake, a frozen

1108
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 2>lake and lay out there and gnaw on the ice.

1109
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Or I'm going to buy a block of ice and

1110
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I just got to go and eat it. And you know,

1111
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.119
<v Speaker 2>so it's something that they feel like they have to do.

1112
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's I think that's as associated with anemia too.

1113
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a little weirder. I know my mom who had cancer.

1114
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.760
<v Speaker 2>One of the side effects of that was she would

1115
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.519
<v Speaker 2>always chew on ice when she was going through cancer treatments.

1116
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 2>But beyond that, what if the thing that you're eating

1117
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 2>is something like metal, right, or what if you start

1118
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 2>eating a wall? So yeah, one a guy.

1119
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Who goes fantousy like ate a whole airplane. Yeah, that

1120
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.239
<v Speaker 1>would be in Japan or somehow.

1121
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear or read about that, but yeah, that's

1122
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 2>that's a really strange one. I did read a story

1123
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:27.440
<v Speaker 2>about a gal who I think she was in Africa,

1124
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>South Africa, that started to eat. She could not stop herself.

1125
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 2>She was a young schoolgirl. She started eating the walls

1126
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and she ate basically one of the walls out of

1127
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.239
<v Speaker 2>her house, and she got parasites, she got all kinds

1128
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 2>of illnesses, she had teeth problems, stuff because she couldn't stop. So, yeah,

1129
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 2>that would be one. Another thing that people have been

1130
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 2>known to do is eat chalk.

1131
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh that sounds like I know, that sounds horrible.

1132
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Or they pull out their hair and eat their hair.

1133
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that reminds me of one that I was reading.

1134
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Is just the need to feel like you need to pull.

1135
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Out your hair, like a some kind of disorder.

1136
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Disorder I like we mentioned earlier, I made like a

1137
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 1>note in my phone and for some reason, my phone

1138
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 1>does not save notes.

1139
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.719
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that excuse before. I know, I don't know

1140
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I have. That's what I'm saying. That's older guys, we

1141
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.079
<v Speaker 2>got it going on. We're organized.

1142
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.960
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well, I mean it must be nice to

1143
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 1>work from home.

1144
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Another thing that they've been known to eat is you know,

1145
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:37.480
<v Speaker 2>like needles, oh and stuff like that, some really weird stuff.

1146
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, even eating their own feces. I mean it's

1147
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a really strange condition. And this is way out there,

1148
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:48.159
<v Speaker 2>but this is like a need that is driven by

1149
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 2>something psychologically in their mind that they have to obey.

1150
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Or they will be miserable.

1151
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I kind of can relate in a very minor way. Okay,

1152
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:02.280
<v Speaker 1>when we go and eat soups together that all you

1153
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.639
<v Speaker 1>can eat sushi plays we love so very very much.

1154
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

1155
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 1>I have the need to eat as much as life

1156
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.719
<v Speaker 1>as possible. I think that's called I feel like I'm

1157
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna die when I leave and I get cramps because

1158
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I think the carbohydrates are something from all the rice.

1159
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get cramps in.

1160
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.599
<v Speaker 1>My legs and I did sick to my stomach, locks

1161
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 1>up and stuff.

1162
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.000
<v Speaker 2>You might have diabetes, dude, well.

1163
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And nobody should consume eighty dollars worth of sushi in

1164
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.639
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, healthy.

1165
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Of white rice, yes, and all kinds of weird syrups.

1166
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 1>It might just be. It might be cramps in my

1167
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:47.079
<v Speaker 1>legs from supporting my excess body weight from eating the sushi.

1168
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 1>It was good. It was bad, baby, so good sushi.

1169
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay. One thing that's really weird about obsessive compulsive disord

1170
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:06.440
<v Speaker 2>is I think everybody has some level of OCD on something.

1171
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it's really rare to find somebody who hasn't

1172
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.639
<v Speaker 2>struggled with some kind of OCD behavior. It doesn't have

1173
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:14.599
<v Speaker 2>to be extreme.

1174
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.440
<v Speaker 1>But all this happened as minor is leaving the house

1175
00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to get to work on a time that ends in

1176
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 1>a five or a zero. You know, like you better

1177
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:29.239
<v Speaker 1>leave by five o'clock or five fifteen instead of you know,

1178
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 1>five twelve exactly.

1179
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Or you know, people have like we talked about the

1180
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:36.920
<v Speaker 2>toilet paper over under, there's also things like how do

1181
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:41.199
<v Speaker 2>you stack the dishwasher. Some people are very OCD about that.

1182
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:43.679
<v Speaker 2>That's why it's kind of become this kind of slang

1183
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>for people that are anal. You know, they're like, oh,

1184
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 2>they're really anal about that, But it's really, you know,

1185
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.079
<v Speaker 2>a mild form of OCD. I'd like to be in control.

1186
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 2>I like to drive, I'd like to organize things a

1187
00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:00.360
<v Speaker 2>certain way. If Roxanne stacks the dishwasher wrong, I'll fit it,

1188
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:03.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, and for me, I think of it. No,

1189
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:08.199
<v Speaker 2>it's not OCD, it's logic. Yeah, it will clean so

1190
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:10.119
<v Speaker 2>much better if it's in this position, or we can

1191
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:12.280
<v Speaker 2>stack so much more if it's in this position.

1192
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:15.400
<v Speaker 1>So when I was in high school, you and I

1193
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:18.639
<v Speaker 1>put together this car, a Volkswagen Bug.

1194
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which we should have on ours. Yeah, we should

1195
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.280
<v Speaker 2>show pictures that we should be cut it on a.

1196
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Strange mobile or something.

1197
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 2>A strange bug. I don't know.

1198
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, when I was in high school, you and I

1199
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.079
<v Speaker 1>built this car together or put it together and kind

1200
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.679
<v Speaker 1>of modified it. And it's a kind of a Baja

1201
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:38.079
<v Speaker 1>style bug. But it's done up really nice, I think.

1202
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.119
<v Speaker 1>But you used to, you know, be like, hey, why

1203
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>don't you scrape on this? And then you know, I'll

1204
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:47.280
<v Speaker 1>work on this thing over here, And then I'd be like, okay,

1205
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll clean up this whatever motor mount. It's like a

1206
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 1>stupid thing. I just got to scrap the paint off

1207
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:55.719
<v Speaker 1>of it or something. You come back pick no, no, no,

1208
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.039
<v Speaker 1>don't do it that way, and then you do it yourself.

1209
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, Okay, I know I.

1210
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Was horrible, but I got better if you as we

1211
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:03.639
<v Speaker 2>went along the process.

1212
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.119
<v Speaker 1>But what I was going to say is I understand

1213
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:08.639
<v Speaker 1>exactly how you felt.

1214
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Your mom can bear testimony to this, because I am

1215
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 2>so awful. I mean, there are things I like to

1216
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.880
<v Speaker 2>do a certain way and when they're not done that way,

1217
01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:21.320
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of times it's because of efficiency. Like

1218
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.199
<v Speaker 2>your mom has a way of like deciding that she's

1219
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:26.760
<v Speaker 2>going to use a tool to do something that it

1220
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.320
<v Speaker 2>was not designed to do, like driving a nail with

1221
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the back end of a knife from our.

1222
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Silverware drawer, use a screwdriver.

1223
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:39.800
<v Speaker 2>It's it's like, why just get a hammer? And so,

1224
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of times the things that drive

1225
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.719
<v Speaker 2>her crazy about doing small projects is that she doesn't

1226
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:47.960
<v Speaker 2>use the right tool. Yep. And for me, it's like,

1227
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:49.199
<v Speaker 2>get the right tool.

1228
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.599
<v Speaker 1>It's like, uh yeah, And I think that comes from

1229
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:56.119
<v Speaker 1>your you know, you you're a handyman. Yeah, you can

1230
01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 1>build things. You can you know, you have the basic

1231
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.440
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of construction and geometry stuff like that. You know,

1232
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:06.639
<v Speaker 1>like mom has that tiny hammer.

1233
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like, why did you drive a nail?

1234
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:09.760
<v Speaker 1>That damn thing?

1235
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:10.559
<v Speaker 2>It's so cute.

1236
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.559
<v Speaker 1>That's like it's like something you put in a kid's

1237
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:14.199
<v Speaker 1>toy box.

1238
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes people who have a different approach to doing things

1239
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 2>that for you is like extremely logical and extremely normal

1240
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.559
<v Speaker 2>and efficient. To see them try to do the same

1241
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:29.880
<v Speaker 2>thing with something that is not efficient is well frustrating.

1242
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:33.719
<v Speaker 2>I totally get it. But anyway, so that's kind of

1243
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:37.039
<v Speaker 2>a form of OCD. And I don't think that OCD

1244
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 2>necessarily happens consistently through your life. I think it Ebbs

1245
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 2>and flows. Different things cause you to be obsessive about

1246
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.960
<v Speaker 2>certain things, or you might be obsessed with certain things

1247
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.039
<v Speaker 2>at certain times in your life, depending on you know,

1248
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.000
<v Speaker 2>your age, your hormones, whatever. It changes as you get

1249
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.960
<v Speaker 2>older and as you grow and experience new things in life.

1250
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.239
<v Speaker 2>So I remember as a we would go down We

1251
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.440
<v Speaker 2>lived in a place called Twin Falls, Idaho, and very

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<v Speaker 2>close to Twin Falls was lo and Behold Falls and

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01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.960
<v Speaker 2>it was quite beautiful, but it was huge. They call

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01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.400
<v Speaker 2>it the Niagara of the West. I'll put a picture

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01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Speaker 2>on the website some people can see. But when I

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01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:19.719
<v Speaker 2>was a kid, we would go down there, and it

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01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 2>was always kind of fearful, you know, because you had

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<v Speaker 2>to walk out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And kind of your fear of heights thing we were

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01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about. Yeah, you know, you're worried about your loved ones, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And they had these.

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<v Speaker 2>Like viewpoints where you could walk down these steps and

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01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:33.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd overhang the cliff and you could look out over

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01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:38.840
<v Speaker 2>the whole falls, you know, and see everything. It was beautiful,

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01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:42.360
<v Speaker 2>but it was also quite scary, and as a young kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean totally engraved itself into my mind. And because

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01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.199
<v Speaker 2>there was always this thunderous water going over. It was

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01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.119
<v Speaker 2>crazy and you were high up in the air. And

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<v Speaker 2>so then my sister was born, and I remember she

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01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:59.440
<v Speaker 2>was fragile, and you know, she was a baby, and somehow,

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01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.320
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if we went on a picnic

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01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:05.119
<v Speaker 2>down there, and I got in my mind an image

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01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of me grabbing my sister and throwing her over the

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01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 2>lookout into the falls, and it would not leave my mind.

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01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:19.079
<v Speaker 2>This image of me doing something harmful to my little

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01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:23.440
<v Speaker 2>baby sister was stuck in there. I remember, as an

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01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:25.360
<v Speaker 2>older kid, you know, maybe when I was twelve, when

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01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.840
<v Speaker 2>she was like two or three, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the falls with them as a family because

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01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I was afraid I would lose control. And somehow I

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01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 2>would just pick her up and throw her over the lookout,

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01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:38.360
<v Speaker 2>and it was so weird. I have no idea why

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01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.599
<v Speaker 2>that image stuck in my head, but that's a typical

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01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of OCD thing where something sticks in your head

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01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.519
<v Speaker 2>and it affects your life. So for the next until

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01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:49.199
<v Speaker 2>she was too heavy for me to pick up and

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01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 2>throw over the edge, I literally tried to avoid any

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01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.440
<v Speaker 2>time that I would be able to go to the

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01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.480
<v Speaker 2>falls where she was going to be there, just because

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01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:00.679
<v Speaker 2>of that image was so powerful stuck in my head.

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01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.639
<v Speaker 1>I can kind of relate to that when I was little. Remember,

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01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:08.079
<v Speaker 1>I've been talking to mom about this, but I just

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01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:11.639
<v Speaker 1>had thoughts of like me sitting there at dinner and

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01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:14.840
<v Speaker 1>grabbing my knife and just stabbing somebody. Yeah, and I'm like,

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01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:17.039
<v Speaker 1>and that's all I could think about, Not like I

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01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:19.960
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do it, but like what if my body?

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01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:22.440
<v Speaker 2>What is wrong with? What would happen if I did that?

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01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.960
<v Speaker 1>What would what would I say? What would I do?

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't. I don't want to do that. It's this

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01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 1>is like a weird thing. And you know, I'd say

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01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:32.320
<v Speaker 1>that like I don't know, I'm afraid of doing something bad.

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01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do anything bad. Yeah, but that's

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01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.239
<v Speaker 1>the most terrible thing. And now that I'm older, I

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01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like that's translated from me doing something bad. But

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01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:44.239
<v Speaker 1>what if something bad happens?

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01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Somebody else does something bad.

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01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Or you know, like now and I have kids, what

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01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:49.920
<v Speaker 1>if he just falls and hit his head wrong?

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01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:51.159
<v Speaker 1>What would I do?

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01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I just thoughts that are so powerful in your head,

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01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:57.800
<v Speaker 2>and they totally recur. It's like they're on a repeat yep,

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01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:01.679
<v Speaker 2>And then you're a ultro of your kids, and it's

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01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:06.440
<v Speaker 2>probably some form of survival mechanism. I'm assuming, but you know,

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01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm super aware of where my kid is and I

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01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 2>get mad if he goes in the road without mentioning it.

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01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I get mad if he walks backwards towards the road,

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01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:16.559
<v Speaker 1>because all it would take is for him to slip.

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01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.079
<v Speaker 1>It's uncontrollable. And with my kids, I'd rather be an

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01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:24.000
<v Speaker 1>irritating helicopter dad than have them fall on their head.

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01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.920
<v Speaker 2>They have something happen, but yeah, for sure, I don't

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01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 2>think they would even fall.

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01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:29.159
<v Speaker 1>That's the weird part.

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01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:31.480
<v Speaker 2>And you can't protect them from all the times you're

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01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:33.920
<v Speaker 2>not there, when they're playing and you're not around. One

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01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of the things that this really goes to illustrate is

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01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:40.719
<v Speaker 2>that people that are supposedly normal have those same kind

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01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:46.280
<v Speaker 2>of OCD thoughts and in some small way are able

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01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.280
<v Speaker 2>to be sympathetic to people that are stuck in those routines,

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01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 2>those thoughts that will not leave your mind. You know,

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01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.440
<v Speaker 2>what do you do with those thoughts? How do you

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01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 2>deal with those things? I've had a lot of those

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01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:00.920
<v Speaker 2>thoughts where like I'll just have like a like maybe

1334
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:03.400
<v Speaker 2>a dirty word or something I'll be like I've been

1335
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.840
<v Speaker 2>in church before, sitting in a pew, and I'll have

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01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:10.599
<v Speaker 2>this terrible thought run through my head, and then I

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01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:12.639
<v Speaker 2>try not to think about it, and it runs through again.

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01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:14.159
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:15.840
<v Speaker 1>The more you try not to think of it, the

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01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:16.519
<v Speaker 1>more you think of it.

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01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so is this some kind of possession? I

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01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:22.840
<v Speaker 2>mean I wondered about that myself. It's like, is this

1343
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.320
<v Speaker 2>like some kind of evil that's trying to overtake me?

1344
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Why do I have this thought as a little kid

1345
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.360
<v Speaker 2>of throwing my sister over the fall? Is? What is

1346
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.400
<v Speaker 2>this like the devil? You know? What's wrong with me?

1347
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And as you get older, you know, you still wonder,

1348
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And maybe it is. Maybe there's like this, if we

1349
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 2>could see behind the veil, maybe there's some big, ugly

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01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.639
<v Speaker 2>demon sitting there and shouting something horrible in your ear.

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01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:45.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you speaking ugly. I picture him

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01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:50.280
<v Speaker 1>like a little guy, a little like like two and

1353
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a half feet tall, but like normal proportions like willow.

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01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Like, hey, just grab the baby dum.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like a little squeaky voice. I think,

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01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:07.519
<v Speaker 2>But Cupid and the diapers. Yeah, speaking of Cupid, what's

1358
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:11.039
<v Speaker 2>coming up here in the near future. Valentine's Day. Yeah,

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01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I think we should talk about that.

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01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I wonder sometimes if that's where like we get our

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01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Ed Kemper's and our Ted Bundy's and our you know,

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01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:23.600
<v Speaker 1>those kind of people where they've had those voices and

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01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 1>they start listening for some reason, not even listening to

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01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:29.560
<v Speaker 1>them because I think they know they're wrong, but they.

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01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Just can't disengage.

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01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just they just go for it. I don't know.

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01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:36.119
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody has voices in their right, whether it's

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01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, where it's like, maybe I should just kick

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01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.119
<v Speaker 1>that door shut because you know, I don't like that

1370
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:44.520
<v Speaker 1>guy right now, I'm gonna kick that door shut. So

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01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:46.800
<v Speaker 1>they do it, you know, it ends up hurting somebody

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01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:48.600
<v Speaker 1>because they kicked the door and it hit them in

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01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:52.439
<v Speaker 1>the head or whatever. And then that's one little thing

1374
01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:55.600
<v Speaker 1>that happened. And then the next time, you know, maybe

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01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I should just knock knock the cup of speaking of

1376
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:01.920
<v Speaker 1>my children, knocked the cup of goldfish that he gave

1377
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:04.880
<v Speaker 1>me as a snack onto the floor, just to prove

1378
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:05.479
<v Speaker 1>that I'm mad.

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01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Ha ha ha ha ha.

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01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.279
<v Speaker 1>And then it can kind of escalate and if you

1381
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.880
<v Speaker 1>don't have the right you know, kind of nurturing and

1382
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:17.479
<v Speaker 1>then in the right mindset of success and positivity, or.

1383
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:21.600
<v Speaker 2>You have some kind of severe mental psychological issue.

1384
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Then maybe it will progress is maybe it'll turn into

1385
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe I should like this dumpster on fire, maybe I

1386
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.399
<v Speaker 1>should cut that cat with a knife, or you know,

1387
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.000
<v Speaker 1>some weird ted Bundy thing keeps going and it just escalates.

1388
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.880
<v Speaker 1>So I wonder if that's Although everybody has those voices,

1389
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Speaker 1>it just comes down to their heart and their personality and.

1390
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Their ability to ignore or to release the voice. I've

1391
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 2>thought about this because we're doing this podcast with my sister.

1392
01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:50.439
<v Speaker 2>What did I do there to kind of free myself

1393
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:54.039
<v Speaker 2>of that image in my mind? Well, the honest truth was,

1394
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:56.439
<v Speaker 2>at first, I avoided it for probably a few years

1395
01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:58.720
<v Speaker 2>when I was younger. It's like I just tried not

1396
01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:02.520
<v Speaker 2>to get in a situation where that it actually happened. Later,

1397
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I started to recognize that this was a voice that

1398
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.359
<v Speaker 2>was not real, It was silly and all these things,

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01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.600
<v Speaker 2>and I gave myself grace. It's like when I gave

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01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 2>myself grace and oh yeah, that thought went through my mind.

1401
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.000
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, I don't have to listen to it.

1402
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.560
<v Speaker 2>And then as soon as I took the the power

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01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.760
<v Speaker 2>of it away by saying, oh, yeah, go ahead, run

1404
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:24.920
<v Speaker 2>through my mind. I don't care have that stupid thought.

1405
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.600
<v Speaker 2>It's stupid, but I'm not going to We'll move on. Yeah.

1406
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Then all of a sudden, the power of it was gone.

1407
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.640
<v Speaker 2>But if I fought it, if I tried to grab

1408
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.399
<v Speaker 2>that thought and make it go away, it was impossible.

1409
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 2>But if I just let it run through and let

1410
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:39.319
<v Speaker 2>it go, then it was like, huh, yeah, there it

1411
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:41.720
<v Speaker 2>is again, stupid thing, and just let it go.

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01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I also wonder if it's a little form of like

1413
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:51.479
<v Speaker 1>natural preservation for little things. So your sister at the

1414
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:53.840
<v Speaker 1>time was the most helpless thing in your life, right,

1415
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:59.119
<v Speaker 1>and the current, you know what's the biggest through gravity?

1416
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:01.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, through the river is going to be the

1417
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:05.239
<v Speaker 1>most helpless situation. I've been to Niagara Falls and I

1418
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:08.960
<v Speaker 1>personally thought, what if I fell in there, I'd be screwed.

1419
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Grab a rock, There's nothing to grab onto. It's fast

1420
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:17.279
<v Speaker 1>moving water because these waterfalls are huge, and I remember

1421
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:17.960
<v Speaker 1>no chance.

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01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I remember going down to those falls when I was

1423
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:22.760
<v Speaker 2>a little kid. I would have to grab the rail

1424
01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and my head white noise going down there because it

1425
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:30.119
<v Speaker 2>was so terrifying. I mean, the water noise was so loud,

1426
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and it was so scary and so high, and I

1427
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:35.920
<v Speaker 2>could see through the fences and the holes, and the

1428
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:38.199
<v Speaker 2>fences you know, looks so big, like you have to

1429
01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.880
<v Speaker 2>fall through, and you know, I'd see people lift their

1430
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:42.760
<v Speaker 2>kids up to look over the edge of the rail,

1431
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.720
<v Speaker 2>and I just freaked me out.

1432
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:47.720
<v Speaker 1>So that's probably where your anxiety came from.

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01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.399
<v Speaker 2>Part of is you were married that with the fear

1434
01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of this poor helpless new little baby sister.

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01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It's the ultimate helplessness of the situation. Those two things

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01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:02.119
<v Speaker 1>are I think you could make more and complete innocence.

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01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I get that. I think you're right, and I think

1438
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you're on somebody. You could throw in more. You could

1439
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.800
<v Speaker 2>go all Freudian on it, and you could say, oh yeah,

1440
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:12.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe there's a jealousy issue with probably not being the

1441
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:14.920
<v Speaker 2>youngest child, and now I've got this like little sister

1442
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.640
<v Speaker 2>to compete with, so maybe I have some animosity or

1443
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:21.319
<v Speaker 2>anger towards her that is manifest in this image that

1444
01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:22.279
<v Speaker 2>I know is wrong.

1445
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Freud the sex guy.

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01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everything was the mom you know, the other guy

1447
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.199
<v Speaker 2>young kind of took it out of that, but yeah, Yeah, anyway,

1448
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I think all of these things are common in I

1449
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.399
<v Speaker 2>would say if we were able to get people with

1450
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:37.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of libation, we're able to free up

1451
01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:40.680
<v Speaker 2>their minds to and let their tongues talk freely, we

1452
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:43.439
<v Speaker 2>would probably discover that a lot of people have these

1453
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:45.479
<v Speaker 2>same kind of things that they've experienced.

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01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I'd agree.

1455
01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:49.680
<v Speaker 2>So do you know what the acronym of fear is

1456
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:51.079
<v Speaker 2>in psychological circles?

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01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Flabbergasted, existential actions, regurgitated?

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01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:04.239
<v Speaker 2>No, but it's a good a good try try false

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01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:08.359
<v Speaker 2>evidence appearing real. Oh, I kind of like that. It

1460
01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:12.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't always apply because there is a legitimate fear, butimate, yeah,

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01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:16.079
<v Speaker 2>dragon or an earthquake or something like that. You know,

1462
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:20.079
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of times fear is unreal. So that

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01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:23.279
<v Speaker 2>false evidence appearing real is a good way to think

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01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.600
<v Speaker 2>about your fears and phobias that might have. Is this

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01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:26.800
<v Speaker 2>a real thing? I don't know.

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01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Kind of talks about all those things, you know, those

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01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:31.600
<v Speaker 1>fears of throwing somebody over the edge of a cliff.

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01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:33.399
<v Speaker 1>It's got dark real quick.

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01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:34.760
<v Speaker 2>It did, So let's get light.

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01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.399
<v Speaker 1>You want to get light, No, I want to get dark.

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01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, go dark.

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01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:41.119
<v Speaker 1>So there's not much darker than like going to bed

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01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.279
<v Speaker 1>in the night time and then a shadow coming out

1474
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:49.000
<v Speaker 1>of the darkness, like a shadow person.

1475
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're laying on your bed, the infamous shadow person.

1476
01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Move a single bone in your body.

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01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:58.920
<v Speaker 2>What does it have to do with like strange quirks?

1478
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, sleep per hours, This is a real problem for people.

1479
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:04.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, they wake up in the middle of the night.

1480
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:07.960
<v Speaker 1>There's somewhere between sleep and wickedness, and they they feel

1481
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:12.199
<v Speaker 1>like they can't move right. And then there's this thing

1482
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that's reported constantly where people keep seeing and seeing these

1483
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:20.479
<v Speaker 1>shadows or have the feeling of being watched, or have

1484
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:25.039
<v Speaker 1>the feeling that something's with them, not just.

1485
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:27.479
<v Speaker 2>Not just so that that could that sounds like an

1486
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:31.720
<v Speaker 2>OCD moment or an obsessive compulsive disorder where they feel

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01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:35.119
<v Speaker 2>a different presence or they're afraid that there's a different

1488
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:37.359
<v Speaker 2>presence somewhere in the room or whatever.

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01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:42.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they did a study on this shadow people phenomenon.

1490
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:46.760
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about it before with Milliner's and you know,

1491
01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:51.359
<v Speaker 1>other things like there's actually a part of the brain

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01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:57.560
<v Speaker 1>hi the campus, the left temporal junction the TPJ for

1493
01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:01.399
<v Speaker 1>those of you who are up on the cranial linguo

1494
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:09.600
<v Speaker 1>brain geography. Yeah, apparently a scientist named Olaf Blankly, he

1495
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:13.359
<v Speaker 1>had done a study trying to figure out epilepsy seizures

1496
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:16.880
<v Speaker 1>in this twenty three year old girl who had epilepsy obviously,

1497
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and he was, you know, applying mild electric shocks to

1498
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:25.159
<v Speaker 1>different parts of her brain. And when she hid this

1499
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:31.239
<v Speaker 1>TPJ spot, she had this feeling of something that would

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01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:36.199
<v Speaker 1>almost mimic her body's motions, like outside of her body,

1501
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:39.279
<v Speaker 1>like something that was just behind her.

1502
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.680
<v Speaker 2>She perceived something being behind her.

1503
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something that's with her and mimics her, but isn't her,

1504
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.880
<v Speaker 1>So could almost like her consciousness was separated from herself.

1505
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:53.840
<v Speaker 1>So there's almost two of her at this point. But

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01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:58.800
<v Speaker 1>she referred to this shadow being that she saw as

1507
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:04.199
<v Speaker 1>a he, and he would lay just beneath her when

1508
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:09.359
<v Speaker 1>she slept and sit just behind her when she sat down, weird,

1509
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and he would you know, walk behind her or to

1510
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the right or left of her as she went. And

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01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I think they even said.

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01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.199
<v Speaker 2>But he would mimic her motions and movements and stuff.

1513
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:22.199
<v Speaker 1>And I think at one point in a study where

1514
01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:26.920
<v Speaker 1>they were doing like flashcards, this being this shadow person

1515
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that even tried to take a card from her.

1516
01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:31.239
<v Speaker 2>So it had its own personality, So it wasn't just

1517
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:34.159
<v Speaker 2>like a shadow of her, It actually had its own

1518
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:35.319
<v Speaker 2>free Maybe.

1519
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:38.039
<v Speaker 1>But if she was reaching to grab the card but

1520
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:41.079
<v Speaker 1>perceived it as this other guy grabbing the card trying

1521
01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:44.399
<v Speaker 1>to get it from her, oh, something separated her consciousness

1522
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.640
<v Speaker 1>from her physical body. And when you're in that state

1523
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:50.760
<v Speaker 1>of sleep paralysis where you have your motor skills pretty

1524
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:57.399
<v Speaker 1>limited or zeroed out, maybe these actions that you wish

1525
01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.439
<v Speaker 1>you could be taking, you know, getting up and going

1526
01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:02.119
<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom or checking the lock on the door,

1527
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:07.159
<v Speaker 1>or turning off the hall light, maybe those thoughts get

1528
01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:11.960
<v Speaker 1>projected through this same kind of TPJ experience. I don't

1529
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:14.560
<v Speaker 1>know if that's what you would call it, but that's

1530
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:17.239
<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna call it. Maybe that's kind of what's

1531
01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:19.960
<v Speaker 1>happening in these situations, and that's.

1532
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.920
<v Speaker 2>The extreme OCD type situations. Well, you know, I don't

1533
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:25.960
<v Speaker 2>know about OCD, but well, the brain is a powerful thing.

1534
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:30.840
<v Speaker 2>So whether you're imagining a person behind you, underneath you,

1535
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.119
<v Speaker 2>or whatever reaching for a card, you're seeing it in

1536
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:36.560
<v Speaker 2>your mind or feeling it in your mind, that's identical

1537
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:39.479
<v Speaker 2>to what you would experience if you're having extreme forms

1538
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:42.279
<v Speaker 2>of OCD where you're seeing an image in your mind,

1539
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:46.520
<v Speaker 2>or you're feeling something in your mind or experiencing that

1540
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:50.800
<v Speaker 2>something is behind you in your mind. It's real.

1541
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like when you see a spider and then

1542
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:57.720
<v Speaker 1>you feel a spider on your body all of a sudden,

1543
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:02.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're feel like there's period callies all over you.

1544
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Or you can imagine there's a spider in your body

1545
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:10.399
<v Speaker 2>and never feel it and you'd still get that creepy feeling. Yeah. Interesting,

1546
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, we went kind of deep there for a minute.

1547
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:16.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean that was like full on scientology or scientific

1548
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:17.840
<v Speaker 2>scientific coology.

1549
01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:21.039
<v Speaker 1>We made Tom Cruise proud today.

1550
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

1551
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.159
<v Speaker 2>This is a fascinating kind of subject. It kind of

1552
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:31.159
<v Speaker 2>takes you down different rabbit holes. Even in this one

1553
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:33.840
<v Speaker 2>podcast talking about a few of these things. We could

1554
01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:37.319
<v Speaker 2>spin these off into seven or eight different directions and

1555
01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:40.600
<v Speaker 2>have podcasts about each one of those exactly. It's so

1556
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:43.279
<v Speaker 2>fun to do this podcast because you end up basically

1557
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:45.920
<v Speaker 2>running into all these other show ideas.

1558
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Yep, you kind of like get what you're talking about

1559
01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:49.439
<v Speaker 1>this thing or this thing.

1560
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of cool. Well, I enjoyed this episode.

1561
01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:53.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was really fun.

1562
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:55.199
<v Speaker 1>It was fun just to touch on a bunch of

1563
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:57.840
<v Speaker 1>different stuff. We couldn't get too deep into things, but

1564
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.319
<v Speaker 1>it's fun to kind of go through different you know,

1565
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.439
<v Speaker 1>highlights of ticks and quirks.

1566
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:05.960
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, we kind of we kind of went you know,

1567
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:08.279
<v Speaker 2>we started light, and we went a little more heavy,

1568
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:10.439
<v Speaker 2>and then we we kind of got deep and we

1569
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:12.840
<v Speaker 2>got a little bit kind of scary and strange, and

1570
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:16.079
<v Speaker 2>then we pulled back out and talked about the paranormal

1571
01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:19.520
<v Speaker 2>connection to shadow Man. I like that. That's what's so

1572
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:20.039
<v Speaker 2>fun about this.

1573
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Do you have a quirk like something that you see

1574
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:25.880
<v Speaker 1>in people off the time it just bothers you.

1575
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know a person that always has to rub

1576
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:31.079
<v Speaker 2>their nose. It's like, no matter what when they're talking,

1577
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:33.520
<v Speaker 2>they always reach up and they'll rub their nose nervous tick,

1578
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:36.199
<v Speaker 2>nervous tick or their nose itches all the time. I'm

1579
01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:39.039
<v Speaker 2>not sure, but yeah. And it's not like they stick

1580
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:40.079
<v Speaker 2>their finger up their nose.

1581
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:42.319
<v Speaker 1>They just like they just like a nose rope.

1582
01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they touched their nose and maybe wobble it around

1583
01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:45.359
<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

1584
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:48.279
<v Speaker 1>That's similar to the one I'm thinking of. I had

1585
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.479
<v Speaker 1>a coworkers like my manager at the time, and he

1586
01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:54.560
<v Speaker 1>would always like, yeah, before he would talk to you,

1587
01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:57.800
<v Speaker 1>he'd like, sniff in, clear his throat and then speak.

1588
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:02.319
<v Speaker 1>So you cut these acts, souls. Sure, so are you

1589
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:06.319
<v Speaker 1>using this certain dial kliper whatever? And you're like, are

1590
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:09.039
<v Speaker 1>you sniffing clear your throat every time you speak to me? Yeah,

1591
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:10.640
<v Speaker 1>got to be bad for your science.

1592
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Well. Another one that's weird is like your grandpa every

1593
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:15.800
<v Speaker 2>time he eats or drinks something. After he swallows or

1594
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.159
<v Speaker 2>takes a drink, he has to go I do that too, Yeah,

1595
01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you do. And that drives me insane because people do it.

1596
01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:26.720
<v Speaker 1>They don't know. I think involuntary noises in general, like

1597
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:29.399
<v Speaker 1>if somebody's doing something and they don't know it.

1598
01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:31.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know what thing your mom does, it's really weird.

1599
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.600
<v Speaker 2>So she'll be dead asleep and I'll be just trying

1600
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.119
<v Speaker 2>to go to sleep, and I'll fill the bed move

1601
01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:40.159
<v Speaker 2>and I'll look over and I see her arm raising

1602
01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:43.039
<v Speaker 2>up in the air and it raises straight up in

1603
01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the air, and her wrist is like limped over.

1604
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:47.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, zombie.

1605
01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:50.439
<v Speaker 2>And then she'll take your other hand and it's her

1606
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:53.600
<v Speaker 2>wrist is limp. But she'll stroke up her arm with

1607
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:56.039
<v Speaker 2>her fingers. It's weird, and they get to the top

1608
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of by her wrist and then she'll stroke back down.

1609
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.159
<v Speaker 2>That's weird. And she'll just be doing that. It's like

1610
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:04.920
<v Speaker 2>weird stroking, like a weird kind of Yeah, but take

1611
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:08.840
<v Speaker 2>hardly any pressure's feather like pressure in the middle of

1612
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:11.479
<v Speaker 2>the night. It is weird. It is weird. I'll grab

1613
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.039
<v Speaker 2>her armor like slam it down.

1614
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Like stop, you're afraid of that? Like limpriss just coming

1615
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:16.920
<v Speaker 1>around your throat.

1616
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like your arm's possessed.

1617
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:19.479
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing.

1618
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:23.439
<v Speaker 2>It's like a snake about ready to strike me. That's funny,

1619
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.199
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I don't know.

1620
01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:27.199
<v Speaker 1>That's a funny one.

1621
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, let's let's wrap this up. We've talked

1622
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a long time. Let's uh, let's close this baby off.

1623
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I do want to encourage people. If you haven't seen

1624
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:36.920
<v Speaker 2>our web page, you can go to a web page

1625
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.399
<v Speaker 2>at a streams thing dot com. We also have a

1626
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Facebook page you can check out. And now we have

1627
01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.680
<v Speaker 2>also got a page on me Wei, which is kind

1628
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:48.520
<v Speaker 2>of cool. We're trying to be where the people are.

1629
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:52.560
<v Speaker 2>So if you've migrated or thinking about migrating, or have

1630
01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:56.039
<v Speaker 2>dual accounts for your social media and you have a

1631
01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:58.439
<v Speaker 2>me we account. We are there, so check us out.

1632
01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm also join us on on Instagram, Join us on Twitter.

1633
01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Austin's gone silent. I don't know what he's doing over there.

1634
01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I think it's so.

1635
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a called where you see the same thing over

1636
01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>and over again.

1637
01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, dejav did you just have a data voo mo?

1638
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a little bit, and I thought of something funny

1639
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and then you were talking and I just trailed off.

1640
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Remember how to say deja vu?

1641
01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:27.079
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like saying managa too. No benaja tou

1642
01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:32.600
<v Speaker 2>pung shui manag You can make a brown language.

1643
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Called the French. I don't know.

1644
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm just making up crap, right, but anyway, Yeah, check

1645
01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:42.039
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1646
01:22:42.079 --> 01:22:45.399
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1647
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1648
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:50.640
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1649
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Anything else you want to say before we close out? No,

1650
01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think, buddy boy, all right, Well do your deed.

1651
01:22:56.119 --> 01:23:00.159
<v Speaker 1>So join us next time for some cold drinks and

1652
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>some strange conversations sounds good. You know what's a weird one,

1653
01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>what deja vu dejev is weird? So join us next

1654
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:14.960
<v Speaker 1>time for some cold drinks and some strange conversations.

1655
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good.

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01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Taters, Taters m.