Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys, and welcome to episode twenty six.
Speaker 2: Of A Strange Thing Podcast. I'm Mike and I'm Austin,
Speaker 2: and together we are your hosts with the most kind
Speaker 2: of bring.
Speaker 1: Brings up our topic. Yeah, anyway, we're coming at you
Speaker 1: from the stranger zone.
Speaker 2: Strangers zone in our.
Speaker 1: Convict today is about weird.
Speaker 2: Quirks, strange quirks that people have.
Speaker 1: Like how if I say hosts, my dad says most
Speaker 1: every single time.
Speaker 2: Well not every time, but quite a few times. It
Speaker 2: is kind of a quirk. And it's because I get
Speaker 2: nervous and I don't know what to say right at
Speaker 2: that moment, so I just like blurted out.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with my hands. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: But that's okay, because everybody has quirks, it's true, and
Speaker 2: we thought, what a great topic to talk about strange things,
Speaker 2: strange quirks or strange phobias or strange antics that people
Speaker 2: do have or say.
Speaker 1: And just because we're saying they're strange doesn't mean they're
Speaker 1: bad or people should be ashamed of them, or that
Speaker 1: they're even that strange. But they're they're not something that
Speaker 1: the majority of people have to deal with. So from
Speaker 1: the outside perspective, from the third party of you, it
Speaker 1: feels a little weird.
Speaker 2: I kind of like to think of them as the
Speaker 2: spices of life.
Speaker 1: Is spices of.
Speaker 2: Life, Yeah, I mean, these are the things that make
Speaker 2: life interesting.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's fun to meet new people and they do things
Speaker 2: in different ways and that makes you more endeared towards them.
Speaker 1: Even though, like in my case it's something that drives
Speaker 1: me absolutely crazy, people seem to have a good time
Speaker 1: making fun of it.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, like, what thing are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I think you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Austin has a little problem, especially with me. I I
Speaker 2: kind of have a loud eating habit.
Speaker 1: I mean I like chips, a loud consuming habit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I eat, I chew or drink. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like to go. I like to chew on my chips,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I don't get my mouth closed all the
Speaker 2: way before I bite down, so you get that echically
Speaker 2: cavernous crunch sound. I love that sound. It makes me hungry.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes you know, food so good that I
Speaker 2: kind of kind of do this smack thing like hmmm, yeah,
Speaker 2: so Austin can't handle it.
Speaker 1: I can't handle that at all. And that's actually an actual.
Speaker 2: A real kind of phobia or a disorder or some
Speaker 2: disorder phobia, something like mesophonia. Mesophonia, Yeah, me so phony.
Speaker 2: Austin's a very phony guy. Yeah, it's me so phonia. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's a real thing. A lot of people have it.
Speaker 2: In fact, I've been asking people when I found out
Speaker 2: we were going to be doing this episode, I started
Speaker 2: asking people, you know, do you have any weird quirks
Speaker 2: or phobias, And a lot of them have eating sound phobias.
Speaker 2: Because I like to talk about you and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: my son's kind of weird. He's got this weird thing
Speaker 2: where he can't stand to hear people chew. He has
Speaker 2: to turn on the radio half the time. The things
Speaker 2: he puts on the radio sound a thousand times worse
Speaker 2: than somebody chewing, but for whatever reason, the disguises the chewing.
Speaker 1: Sound anything static is better. I did a little research
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things that can cause it,
Speaker 1: like involuntary noises from people like smacking or chewing, Loud
Speaker 1: repetitive noises like I saw one that was interesting, like
Speaker 1: winschieldipers just drive somebody crazy and I can understand like
Speaker 1: a pen tapping when you're trying to concentrate and it
Speaker 1: drives Yeah, wall, I guess that's a form of it.
Speaker 1: But then they also mentioned that it can be visual too,
Speaker 1: like if there's a like an intermittent flash from like
Speaker 1: a maybe a fan or like a you know, something
Speaker 1: that's just repetitive, repetitive and intermittent, it would drive you.
Speaker 1: It would drive these people crazy.
Speaker 2: Basically, it's a stimulus that distracts you from what you're
Speaker 2: trying to do or think.
Speaker 1: I did research on like the causes, and they don't
Speaker 1: really know what causes it, but they know it's not
Speaker 1: an ear thing or a visual thing. It's not related
Speaker 1: to like a physical disability. It's it's a mental thing,
Speaker 1: and it's something about your brain where it processes these
Speaker 1: sounds or these the visual or audio input in your brain.
Speaker 1: It's also kind of having a fight or flight response.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of it's it's an actual mental problem.
Speaker 2: It's not like something that's just in your head, although
Speaker 2: it is in your head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your body is having like an angry or anxious
Speaker 1: or it could have like a depressed, like sad response
Speaker 1: to it, or even like it can cause nausea and
Speaker 1: stuff which I can actually feel like. I remember when
Speaker 1: I was little, we used to wake up in the
Speaker 1: morning and Mom would kind of get us going in
Speaker 1: the morning, put out cereal for breakfast or whatever, and
Speaker 1: my sister Amber, I could just hear her chewing this
Speaker 1: like fruit help us or whatever, and it would make
Speaker 1: me mad and we get in like little, you know,
Speaker 1: altercations in the morning because I'm just so angry in it.
Speaker 1: Now that I'm older, I don't.
Speaker 2: Process.
Speaker 1: I just don't take it out on that person. Although
Speaker 1: if I'm irritated and I.
Speaker 2: Hear like, yeah, well, this is a common thing. A
Speaker 2: lot of people have things that irritate them that other
Speaker 2: people do. It might be the way that they you know,
Speaker 2: they have an afflection in their voice when they say something,
Speaker 2: did I do that? You know, something like that that
Speaker 2: causes that reaction. Sometimes it's visual, like sometimes the way
Speaker 2: people will move causes that reaction. You know, if somebody
Speaker 2: has a weird stance or they stand funny, and it
Speaker 2: could be psycho semantic.
Speaker 1: Keep touching their nose or they yeah.
Speaker 2: Or nervous tick or something, and they can dry people nuts.
Speaker 2: I mean, it can actually make them go a little
Speaker 2: bit baddy for a while. Oh yeah, and it can
Speaker 2: make them angry and they don't even know why.
Speaker 1: Probably in that situation has a lot to do with
Speaker 1: the people's opinion of that other person. Yeah, it could be,
Speaker 1: and like, oh don't I don't want to pump your
Speaker 1: tires here, guy. But I look up to you. You're
Speaker 1: my dad, right, And then you're doing this thing chewing
Speaker 1: so loud that drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: How could somebody look up to sound like.
Speaker 1: And I think it bothers me a little bit more
Speaker 1: because it's.
Speaker 2: Like, stop, I want to like you. It's so cool
Speaker 2: and such a stop but tune. Man, Well, I gotta
Speaker 2: tell a story about my chewing noises. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: you know my dad, right, you're going, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: He is tenfold worse than me in the way that
Speaker 2: he eats and stuff. As far as noises go.
Speaker 1: We call him the typewriter. When he eats corn on
Speaker 1: the cob, it's like it's like tump tum tum tum
Speaker 1: tum tum tum tum tum tum trump all the way
Speaker 1: across and then all the way to the last side
Speaker 1: and jump tump tump tump tump. It's impressive.
Speaker 2: It is not even that. I'm just abreasted, except for
Speaker 2: when you hear the sound. The silent movie would be great.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: One time I was at my sister in law's house
Speaker 2: and I was sitting there eating sunflower seats and we
Speaker 2: were all watching a movie. There was like ten of
Speaker 2: us around the big TV watching a movie or something.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there just eating my subflower seeds, watching
Speaker 2: the movie, not a care in the world, totally oblivious
Speaker 2: to anything, and all of a sudden, the movie stops.
Speaker 2: Somebody hits pause. If my sister in law goes, Mike,
Speaker 2: would you cut that out please? She was talking about
Speaker 2: my sun flower seats roxyand my wife said later she said, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're making so much noise. You were just crunching on them.
Speaker 2: They need to spin them. Then you'd spit it in
Speaker 2: the bottle, and then you get the next one, you
Speaker 2: crunch it and then you suck the seat out.
Speaker 1: Then you'd spin at the bottle. It's funny.
Speaker 2: And my sister in law had it finally up where
Speaker 2: she couldn't take it anymore, and she had to stop
Speaker 2: the movie and ask me, not politely either, She just
Speaker 2: basically chewed me up and said would you got that off?
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's my story. It's funny loud noise. You
Speaker 2: have to admit you make all these like little weird
Speaker 2: Those are noises that come up out of like your gullie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're like they're like in my body and
Speaker 1: they're like oh, they're like the weirds is like like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird.
Speaker 2: And then you're you're looking at me, your mouth is
Speaker 2: closed and you're making weird noises out of your stomach.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 1: That reminds me of one. And we'll probably touch on
Speaker 1: this stuff later, but we're you know, some weird habits
Speaker 1: that people have are like involuntary things, and I don't
Speaker 1: know I have. I've had TMJ before, uh temporal mandibular
Speaker 1: joint juxtafication TMJ. Anyway, that's from like grinding your teeth
Speaker 1: and stress and all kinds of stuff. And you look
Speaker 1: at my teeth they're like all crooked on the right
Speaker 1: side or they're like ground down.
Speaker 2: You grind your teeth.
Speaker 1: I grab my teeth, but I do it at work
Speaker 1: and if I have music playing, I grind my teeth
Speaker 1: and like slide them across the other teeth and make
Speaker 1: little drum beats in time in time.
Speaker 2: That's actually classified as an obsessive compulsive disorder. Really, I mean,
Speaker 2: they all kind of go together. And we should throw
Speaker 2: out a big disclaimer here. We're not making fun of
Speaker 2: anybody anymore than we're making fun of ourselves, because we
Speaker 2: all have these strange things that we do.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a quirk. Yeah, obviously I have my irritation
Speaker 1: with sounds and my weird drumming in my mouth, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna see if the microphone could pick it
Speaker 1: up because I think it'd be funny, do it? Do
Speaker 1: I have to have a song on my head?
Speaker 2: What song is that?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like a normal drum beat. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you could hear you would do that with the
Speaker 1: music as it's playing. Yeah, and like whatever song comes
Speaker 1: like causes you to do that in that Yeah, And
Speaker 1: like the grinding kind of like a high hat from
Speaker 1: like a left to right slide across my front teeth
Speaker 1: and then like I clacking, So then I got for
Speaker 1: the drum, like the kick drum.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Most of our listeners don't probably realize or know
Speaker 2: that Austin is a drummer. So he does play the drums.
Speaker 2: He's always beating on something. Yeah, except for his wife.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my kids and the dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no people, dogs, animals or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm a tapper.
Speaker 2: Life is a drum tap a tapper. I know everybody
Speaker 2: has weird things. So I'm gonna tell a story. At
Speaker 2: the time, this could have been really really serious, and
Speaker 2: it's about me as a little kid growing up. And
Speaker 2: you hear about kids that have, you know, just different
Speaker 2: disorders and things like that. So I was one of
Speaker 2: those kids when I was a little kid. For whatever reason,
Speaker 2: I remember it was right as I was starting not
Speaker 2: even kindergarten, it was preschool, and for whatever reason, I
Speaker 2: got it in my head that mom and dad, my
Speaker 2: parents were trying to kill me.
Speaker 1: Just for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had this phobia, this belief or whatever it
Speaker 2: is that a mental disorder that my parents were trying
Speaker 2: to kill me. I was four or five years old.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So I would walk around, I would not touch anything
Speaker 2: because I was sure there was poison, like some kind
Speaker 2: of contact poison, right, So I would wash my hands
Speaker 2: obsessively like repeat, rent wash, repeat, rents washed, repeat, and
Speaker 2: then when I was done, I wouldn't use a towel
Speaker 2: because there was poison on the towel. So I would
Speaker 2: walk around and my mom said that my hands got
Speaker 2: so chapped.
Speaker 1: Just putting poison lotion on there.
Speaker 2: They couldn't even put lotion on it because that was poison.
Speaker 2: And when I went to this preschool or this kindergarten,
Speaker 2: I remember one time, and this is very vivid in
Speaker 2: my mind, somebody brought donuts for somebody's birthday and I
Speaker 2: pulled open my donut and there was a drop of
Speaker 2: oil in the don't you know donut and I thought
Speaker 2: it was poison, so I wouldn't eat my doughnut. And
Speaker 2: when I went back to the bathroom, they had these,
Speaker 2: you know, urinals that were up against the wall, and
Speaker 2: there was mold growing on the wall. And that was poison.
Speaker 1: Everything's poison.
Speaker 2: Everything was poison. Mom would put salt on like my
Speaker 2: eggs for breakfast, and I thought it was ground of glass.
Speaker 1: Iokaine from glass.
Speaker 2: It was worse than I It was ground of glass
Speaker 2: and pepper was poison. And I had lost all this weight.
Speaker 2: They'd taken me to the doctor. The doctor said kids
Speaker 2: sometimes go crazy like that, and they do weird things.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Finally. The way I was cured is my mom had
Speaker 2: to go do something. She worked, and so she took
Speaker 2: me over to my grandma Ulrich's house and she left
Speaker 2: me there and my grandma made me some scrambled eggs,
Speaker 2: which I loved. That was like my favorite thing. And
Speaker 2: I saw her salt it and I said, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to eat it. You put ground glass on
Speaker 2: my eggs and she's says, no, I made these eggs
Speaker 2: for you. You're gonna eat them. And I said, no, it
Speaker 2: will kill me. You're trying to kill me. And she said,
Speaker 2: these eggs will not kill you, but if you do
Speaker 2: not eat these, I will beat you with this broom.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't eat it, and she hit me with
Speaker 2: the broom, and then to stop her from hitting me
Speaker 2: with the broom, I ate the eggs and she said,
Speaker 2: see you're alive. You're not poisoned. And from then on
Speaker 2: I never worried about being poisoned again. But I sure
Speaker 2: was majorly a free of my ground and whipped its hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yes, if my son would develop something like that, because
Speaker 1: he does not like to eat unless it's pizza.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does have a hard time heat.
Speaker 1: He trusts me pretty good though. I talked him into
Speaker 1: limes and hob and arrow sauce.
Speaker 2: I think he yeah, right, yeah, I'm never gonna eat again.
Speaker 2: My dad gives me you have an aro sauce. But
Speaker 2: you know, I think what's really interesting about your son
Speaker 2: is I think a lot of it is just he
Speaker 2: just doesn't like a lot of things. He just doesn't
Speaker 2: feel like eating. He's hungry. Yeah, a simple guy like Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: that's my story of weirdness. You could call that. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a name for that phobia. It's called toxophobia, the
Speaker 2: fear of being poisoned, and I had that at four
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: Toxophobia reminds me of one in a similar way. It
Speaker 1: seems like something a little kid would come up with,
Speaker 1: or like just a lack of trust or paranoia in
Speaker 1: your life. Have you ever heard of impostor syndrome? Impostor
Speaker 1: syndrome or also called cap Grass syndrome, named after the
Speaker 1: guy who.
Speaker 2: Discovered it or made it famous.
Speaker 1: I think he was the first one that got it
Speaker 1: diagnosed on the books or whatever, or Capgrass delusion, And
Speaker 1: basically this is the the the thought that everybody close
Speaker 1: to you has been replaced with somebody an impostor, oh
Speaker 1: like a perfect toppelganger.
Speaker 2: Like the movie The Thing. The Thing takes over the
Speaker 2: shapes of people, and then it kills more people until they're.
Speaker 1: Finally somebody in this camp and what he appears to
Speaker 1: be right now that maybe one or two of us.
Speaker 2: By spring, it could be all of us. So how
Speaker 2: do we know who's human?
Speaker 3: If I was an imitation, a perfect imitation, how would
Speaker 3: you know if it was really me?
Speaker 2: Kind of?
Speaker 1: But I think less sinister, Oh so like I would
Speaker 1: just think for some reason, you're not my dad anymore.
Speaker 1: You're a guy who's stepped in and pretending to.
Speaker 2: Be oh like the leg Starfighter. You remember that movie
Speaker 2: reading Starfighter.
Speaker 3: You have been recruited by the star League to defend
Speaker 3: the Frontier against Zor and the clot an arm monitor
Speaker 3: getting ready prepare for.
Speaker 2: Last the last star Fighter. The guy gets a clone
Speaker 2: so that he can go off and fight the whatever armada.
Speaker 3: Hey, you look like me, of course I do.
Speaker 1: I'm the Beaty Unit.
Speaker 2: What the hell's a beaty here?
Speaker 3: Baby?
Speaker 1: Unit is simuloid, an exact duplicate of you, woman, not
Speaker 1: as loud.
Speaker 2: And then the clone stays on Earth and tries to
Speaker 2: make out with his girlfriend because it's he's really a clone.
Speaker 2: He's not the real boyfriend. He's like a robot. Nope, nope,
Speaker 2: not like that. Okay, great movie, Last Star Party, You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to watch it all.
Speaker 1: But this syndrome, it's really low number of people have this,
Speaker 1: but it's like a paranoia type thing, and it reminds
Speaker 1: me of like, you know, you see somebody who just
Speaker 1: can't trust anybody, you know, in like a movie, or
Speaker 1: you know, like a homeless person. He just you know,
Speaker 1: hears voices. And it seems like it closely related to
Speaker 1: like schizophrenia or people who have epilepsy or so it's.
Speaker 2: A true like psychological disword.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a psychological disorder. But man, isn't
Speaker 1: that a weird one? Is it's similar to the poison
Speaker 1: thing where you just have this lack of trust, right,
Speaker 1: And I wonder if it stems from just hoping and
Speaker 1: relying on the hope that people in your life won't
Speaker 1: betray you or they are who they are in your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like maybe there's like a deep seated
Speaker 2: distrust and so that distrust manifests and like, well, the
Speaker 2: person I love would never do something bad to me,
Speaker 2: but I still have this distress. So I got to
Speaker 2: project that onto something else. This is not my real
Speaker 2: dad or mom, This is an imposter something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's like an uncommon one. You know, there are
Speaker 2: so many things that are really common. Let's jump into
Speaker 2: some of the really common ones, because I think that
Speaker 2: that'll make us all feel a little bit better, and
Speaker 2: then we'll go into the weirder and more strange things.
Speaker 2: But I mean, some of the most common phobias that
Speaker 2: are out there are like, you know, the fear of
Speaker 2: the dark. How many people have are afraid of the dark.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's a video game called Afraid of the Dark.
Speaker 2: It's a classic video game. But oh no, that was
Speaker 2: Alone in the Dark, Lone in the Dark, Alone in
Speaker 2: the Dark. That was a great game. It was like
Speaker 2: one of the first three D what was it was
Speaker 2: two point five D video game. Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 2: But you'd play this character and you would have to
Speaker 2: navigate these rooms. The rooms were static, but your character
Speaker 2: was like this really primitive three D polygonal shape that
Speaker 2: would go through the environments and look at things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's creepy polygons. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm using game development speech. Polygons,
Speaker 2: polygonal polygamy and no, no, no, not polygamy. But anyway, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: the technical term for that is nickto phobia. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: nickto must be night and phobia must be fear of
Speaker 2: So nicktophobia and oh, I'm just gonna say. Some of
Speaker 2: the people who have.
Speaker 1: That, well, one of the most famous is Cano Reeves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he John Wick's scared of the dark.
Speaker 2: Scared of the dark. Well, and you know, there's been
Speaker 2: interviews with him where he talks about it. It might
Speaker 2: just be he's afraid of dying, which is the ultimate dark.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I need nicktophobia. What are you going
Speaker 2: to say?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think that stems from a
Speaker 1: perfectly normal place. Yeah, if so, In like an evolutionary standpoint,
Speaker 1: people growing up, they didn't have fire, they didn't have
Speaker 1: light like we have now, and they were never able
Speaker 1: to see in the dark. And that's when all the
Speaker 1: bad things come out. That's a few irons and the coyotes,
Speaker 1: the wolves, the alligators, whatever, they come out at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's your blind to enemies or things that
Speaker 2: could destroy you, no wonder you're afraid of them. That.
Speaker 1: Plus, you know, if I have to go check the
Speaker 1: doors in the middle of the night because my wife
Speaker 1: hears something and it's dark and I step on the legos,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm afraid of the dark now because I'm.
Speaker 2: Probably gonna step on step a lego or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate on that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not good.
Speaker 2: That's not good.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the worst to step in at night.
Speaker 2: Poop dog poop that I've done that a couple of times.
Speaker 2: We got you know, Tilly sometimes when it's raining, she
Speaker 2: doesn't want to go outside, she's too lazy or doesn't
Speaker 2: want to get wet, and so she'll poop somewhere kind
Speaker 2: of right in the middle of the floor. And then
Speaker 2: so you know, you're stumbling out, you don't have your
Speaker 2: glasses on, everything's bloring. You come out to like, you know,
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom or whatever, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you stick your foot in this smushy thing.
Speaker 2: And the worst part is after you do it, you
Speaker 2: got to go in and wash your foot, and then
Speaker 2: you're awake, and then you're waking foot in cold water
Speaker 2: because you couldn't wait for the warm water travel across
Speaker 2: the house, and then she knows she's in trouble, so
Speaker 2: she hides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't keep a dog, does that?
Speaker 2: No, And then by the morning she's so in there
Speaker 2: whim bringing and cute that you feel bad for so
Speaker 2: you give retreat. So it's almost like you're.
Speaker 1: Rewarding before you throw her out on.
Speaker 2: No, you reward for pooping on the floor. Is what
Speaker 2: you're doing.
Speaker 1: That's bad.
Speaker 2: I know it is bad, but anyway, Okay.
Speaker 1: If I have big dog, big bladder, big dog.
Speaker 2: But anyway, and those playing are drinking game, have a
Speaker 2: drink on me.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I wus so like you never
Speaker 1: walk out of your room step on an ice cube,
Speaker 1: you know, like how do you do their fez? This
Speaker 1: is what I'm thinking of. Oh yeah, I would like
Speaker 1: just drop an ice cube like it melted a little
Speaker 1: bit and then it snuck out of there and you'd
Speaker 1: walk by in the middle night. You just step maybe
Speaker 1: got your sock on, and it just like like an
Speaker 1: ice cuber. Just the water is icy cold water, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, what this isn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: Ye see, Now this could be a phobia. It's called
Speaker 2: the fear of stepping in wet spots. I so called
Speaker 2: a phobia, fold a phobia. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 2: what you said, Well, okay, So another common type of
Speaker 2: phobia that people have would be the fear of heights. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of people have fear of heights.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 2: I didn't have that growing up. I was a gymnast man.
Speaker 2: I was always doing crazy things with heights and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think I'm okay with heights. It's when I'm
Speaker 2: with other people that I get, you know, the fear
Speaker 2: of heights, which is also called.
Speaker 1: Acrophobia, acrophobia acrobat phobia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I get phobia acrophobia when I'm with somebody
Speaker 2: like you and we're walking up to the edge of
Speaker 2: a canyon and you're walking right up to the edge.
Speaker 2: It's not for me because I know I'm not stupid.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 1: He's stupid.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Stupid, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Or when we took your mom to the Grand Canyon
Speaker 2: and you just go marching up there without a care
Speaker 2: in the world, right to the edge, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you are six inches from death. Why would you do that?
Speaker 2: Just stay away from the edge, because I know you're
Speaker 2: a klutz. Just stay away from the edge. You don't
Speaker 2: have catlike reflexes like me. Yeah, you know, you know
Speaker 2: that's the thoughts that's going through my head. So yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: the fear of heights, that's a real common thing, it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's another one of those things is natural.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are people who can't walk up to
Speaker 1: a cliffage. Maybe they got vertigo. Then they get up there,
Speaker 1: look down and yet there over. But for me, it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll get up to a foot without feeling weird.
Speaker 1: Anything past a foot I'm getting real cautious.
Speaker 2: But a foot, yeah, unless you're gonna trip on a
Speaker 2: shoelacer or something I don't.
Speaker 1: Do, like a freaking marathon, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Running distance stop. No, Well, okay, one other thing I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say about that. You know, if other people that
Speaker 2: I don't care about go up to the edge of something,
Speaker 2: I don't get acrophobia. It's only the people I love
Speaker 2: and care about when they get up close to that's
Speaker 2: when I get asked.
Speaker 1: That's like a protective thing.
Speaker 2: And you know, it actually ties into something that I
Speaker 2: would consider kind of an O C D thing that
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell later when we get into some more
Speaker 2: serious stuff that I used to have concerning my sister
Speaker 2: and heights. But well, i'll save that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, you know what that makes me think
Speaker 1: of is like, there's the Grand Canyon. Yeah, there's an
Speaker 1: insane amount of deaths and injuries that people fallen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they too close for that perfect photo op or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: Or they're playing with their phone and walk right over
Speaker 2: the edge. Yeah, yeah for sure. And then you know,
Speaker 2: why would you ever take your kids there? Right unless
Speaker 2: they're on like some leash. I would never take my
Speaker 2: kid Ali to the Grand Canyon and let them wander around,
Speaker 2: not as a young kid, No, because they don't have
Speaker 2: guardrails on those trails. So if you let them go
Speaker 2: and they walk too close to the edge and they
Speaker 2: trip and fall like they always do at home.
Speaker 1: It could fall on a freaking hair on the ground.
Speaker 2: They're gone. Yeah, that's you know, that's nightmare stuff for me.
Speaker 2: I don't even like thinking about. Let's move on to
Speaker 2: so one thing I was going to say about acrophobia
Speaker 2: is that there are a lot of famous people who
Speaker 2: have acrophobia, and some of them are surprising, like Sylvester Stallone.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he had it, but Sylvester Stallone
Speaker 2: had acrophobia alone. Sylvester Stallone, you know, and he did
Speaker 2: like Cliffhanger. He did a lot of movies where he's
Speaker 2: an action hero and hanging. Like even in Rambo he
Speaker 2: jumps off that cliff into a tree hanglicopter. Yes, that guy,
Speaker 2: but yeah, supposedly he has acrophobia. Matt Damon another guy
Speaker 2: who's very famous for his movies. And then Sheryl Crow
Speaker 2: also has fear of heights. So anyway, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people in that club. If you have acrophobia, you're
Speaker 2: not alone. Okay, So another one. Let's talk about the
Speaker 2: fear of water hydrophobia. So a lot of people are
Speaker 2: afraid of the water. Some people are afraid of water
Speaker 2: for multiple things. Some people don't like to even get
Speaker 2: in the shower because they're so afraid of water. It's
Speaker 2: like this weird sensation thing other people are afraid of,
Speaker 2: like what's under the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to kind of have that.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, I mean people that go out
Speaker 2: in the ocean and they dump in the ocean and
Speaker 2: they swim along the surface and that's big fun. Well,
Speaker 2: another classification of people would never in hell be caught
Speaker 2: out in the water because there are sea monsters under there.
Speaker 1: I've been to the ocean once. Well I've been to
Speaker 1: like in the ocean on the ocean in a boat,
Speaker 1: you know once. That's not two sharks. Yeah right, I'm
Speaker 1: not going out there.
Speaker 2: Well, just they got those urchins that one sting would
Speaker 2: kill you one sting urchins they're jellyfish, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: one thing would kill you. See snakes, most venomous snakes
Speaker 2: in the world are in the ocean.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're like right up by the top.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying I'm just went out there. There's
Speaker 2: like giant squids. They know that things is right. There's
Speaker 2: there's like like these giant fish creatures. It is terrifying.
Speaker 2: You don't know. You're up there in ignorance and blood.
Speaker 2: You know, up there on the surface, but underneath is
Speaker 2: a swordfish, a million ways to die fish, little after weapon.
Speaker 2: So I can understand hydrophobia. I don't have it. I
Speaker 2: don't if I go swimm into whatever. I might think, Oh,
Speaker 2: I hope there's not a shark under here, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't worry about it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: I have a weird one where we're when we're waiting
Speaker 1: across the river.
Speaker 2: We do that regularly.
Speaker 1: I always wear those sandals. I'm afraid of stepping on
Speaker 1: like an old fish hook. Oh yeah, and then like
Speaker 1: getting it caught on a rock and it's just like
Speaker 1: ripping into my skin and the water is cold and
Speaker 1: I don't feel it. And then I ripped a bunch.
Speaker 2: Of Well, I've actually had a weird happen I've stepped
Speaker 2: on the fish hook. Didn't spear me, fortunately, but I
Speaker 2: got the fishing line wrapped around my big toe and
Speaker 2: it was stuck in there. And then when I got over,
Speaker 2: I was dragging, which was stupid if I you know,
Speaker 2: thinking about it. When I finally got to this shore,
Speaker 2: I was dragging this all these tangled fish line, and
Speaker 2: sure enough there was like a treble hook with like
Speaker 2: a lure. Yeah. If I would have stepped on it wrong,
Speaker 2: that would have gone right to my foot. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a whole different phobia though.
Speaker 1: You know what hydrophobia reminds me of what prair to
Speaker 1: be impressed. Do you remember that play they did in
Speaker 1: Twin Falls Captain knows traveling Zoo, Yes, I do, he says,
Speaker 1: my name is Sham. I am in charge of gathering
Speaker 1: the animals by finding them and placing as classifieds in
Speaker 1: person Also, I found the pack up packets and also
Speaker 1: hydrophobic groups that got a snake, anaerobic germs, anaerobic germs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my name is Sham.
Speaker 2: I am in charge of gathering the animals. We're finding
Speaker 2: them by placing ads and classifieds and personals. We found
Speaker 2: the packup packing Dunson. Also, hydrophobic ones have got a
Speaker 2: snake that kindess worms. And here's some anaerobic germs erroman Yeah,
Speaker 2: shout out to General Montana's if you ever listen to
Speaker 2: this podcast, there you go. Yeah, fun time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a peak of my childhood messed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So those are those are really common. There's a
Speaker 2: bunch more. I mean that we could go on with
Speaker 2: common things, but they're not as fun as when you
Speaker 2: get into the more strange phobias that people have or
Speaker 2: quirks that people have. I thought it would be fun
Speaker 2: to go in a few of those. One of those
Speaker 2: fears which your mom has, it's a phobia. It's called
Speaker 2: the fear of making decisions. It's called decide of phobia.
Speaker 1: I think every woman has that.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of women do.
Speaker 1: Not sexist, but yes, I've asked a woman where to eat.
Speaker 2: I'm sexy, I'm the sexiest man.
Speaker 1: I can't say that in these days. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: i'm sexiest, I said sexiest. No, I said, I'm sexiest man.
Speaker 2: Alive and always Yeah, okay, you don't agree, Okay, So anyway,
Speaker 2: decide to phobia. So, yeah, your mom does not like
Speaker 2: to be the one that has to make the final
Speaker 2: decision in case it's wrong. She always wants to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, give that responsibility to somebody else, so she
Speaker 2: doesn't take full responsibility when ownership goes south. Yeah okay.
Speaker 2: Another one is the fear of beards. So I thought
Speaker 2: this is funny. Yeah, if anybody has the fear of
Speaker 2: beards right now or what do they call it? Paganophobiaanophobia?
Speaker 2: If they have paganaphobia, they are screwed right now, because
Speaker 2: I'd say ninety percent of all males and some females
Speaker 2: have beards right now, and some females.
Speaker 1: This is the greatest show. Yeah, that's kind of why
Speaker 1: I shaved my beard off for a while.
Speaker 2: You were had I had a beard.
Speaker 1: No, just I had a phobia looking like a hipster,
Speaker 1: and in doing that, I was kind of a hipster.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you just gotta be yourself, man, be true
Speaker 2: to yourself. What's that to thine own self? Be true
Speaker 2: to thine.
Speaker 1: Own set true. I don't know that. I don't listen
Speaker 1: to things that have the word thine in it. All right,
Speaker 1: going to eat? Ok, let's keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay, another uh, not so common phobia. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: the fear of felines, the fear of cats.
Speaker 1: Thatt's are gross.
Speaker 2: Some people are terrified of cats.
Speaker 1: My wife she hates them. She hisses at him. It's weird.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they're so unpredictable. Yeah, who knows what
Speaker 2: they're going to do. They're just like crazy animals. Well
Speaker 2: some of them. You know, we can't we gotta be
Speaker 2: politically correct. We can't classify them all together.
Speaker 1: I got a funny cat story. Okay, speaking of unpredictable animals.
Speaker 1: So I was like a week into my new job
Speaker 1: at an h VAC company. Huh, shout out to make
Speaker 1: fate seating and air Conditioning in Boise, Idaho, Sonya and Jamie,
Speaker 1: that's three seven five twenty seven seven d There you go.
Speaker 1: You can anyway, I'm sitting there and kind of waiting
Speaker 1: for the owner and everybody to get moving. I kind
Speaker 1: of got my butt on the bumper of the work fan,
Speaker 1: kind of leaning forward on my knees, you know, out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. I just have this terrible, stinging, scratching pain
Speaker 1: in my back and it was like, ah what pretty painful,
Speaker 1: and like a thud, something heavy hit my back and
Speaker 1: I stood up and something's clawn onto me and I
Speaker 1: reached back and I just kind of grab it and
Speaker 1: fling it away, you know, and then it was like right, cat,
Speaker 1: sweet little cat just decided to kind of jump down
Speaker 1: on me, and then it probably started falling and grabbed me.
Speaker 1: But then it hurt, and then I grabbed it and
Speaker 1: flinged it.
Speaker 2: You know, that would be terrifying.
Speaker 1: It was out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Well, you have something in common with Napoleon Bonaparte. Really, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He is a very famous person who had a laura phobia,
Speaker 2: a Laura phobia, a Laura phobia. Yeah, so Napoleon Bonaparte,
Speaker 2: and you had a lauraphobia.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have.
Speaker 2: Only when they jump on you without them.
Speaker 1: But when they jump on you randomly, I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird one. So another one Alfred Hitchcock.
Speaker 2: He had a fear of eggs, like he thought they
Speaker 2: were gross. He thought people who ate them were gross.
Speaker 2: It was disgusting. How could this white when you crack
Speaker 2: it open and the yellow pussy like stuff squirts out,
Speaker 2: how could that be anything good? And that was called
Speaker 2: ovophobia like ovarian overy ovo phobia, So Alfred Hitchcock had that.
Speaker 2: Another famous phobia person is Nicole Kidman, who had pita opterophobia.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of butterfly bread butterflies.
Speaker 2: She had an experience that she talks about when she
Speaker 2: was a kid that she would walk home and this
Speaker 2: is in Australia, and when she get to the gate
Speaker 2: of her house, often on the gate was a butterfly
Speaker 2: and it terrified her and so she would walk way
Speaker 2: out of her way or climb over the fence to
Speaker 2: avoid having to come into confrontation with a butterfly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now it could have been like huge with things. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but whatever, it was, Yeah, she didn't want
Speaker 2: to want to experience the butterflies in Australia.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if there's some like poisonous butterfly.
Speaker 2: Another one is the fear of clowns. Guess who has
Speaker 2: a fear of clowns or otherwise known as calbraphobia. Who's
Speaker 2: that Johnny Depp?
Speaker 1: He says a crucial thing. You're saying if a man
Speaker 1: comes in to him, let's go amazing, that makes him
Speaker 1: skate of him.
Speaker 2: That's really good, this mumble and words like yeah, well
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp has a lot of problems right now if
Speaker 2: you follow any kind of news or you know, celebrity stories.
Speaker 2: But anyway, poor Johnny, We're we're praying for you, man.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he has a fear of clowns. And and
Speaker 2: so one of the ones that I thought was really funny,
Speaker 2: well it's not even funny. What is funny because it's
Speaker 2: so weird. It's like a paradox. Right, So there is
Speaker 2: a phobia of having a phobia. Whoa So, so you're
Speaker 2: worried that you are that you have a phobia, and
Speaker 2: it gives you a phobia, and it's called phobo phobia,
Speaker 2: phoo phobia, it's a real thing. Foot Yeah. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I have a phobophobia or not. I know
Speaker 2: I have some phobias.
Speaker 1: I can kind of understand that because, like people like me,
Speaker 1: you're pretty judgmental of the way people act and things
Speaker 1: that they do. And I could understand being afraid of
Speaker 1: being seen as the person who's afraid of something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So what's weird And we talked about this a little
Speaker 2: bit when we first started talking on the subject, is
Speaker 2: that a lot of these phobias or quirks can give
Speaker 2: way when they become extreme to obsessive compulsive disorders or
Speaker 2: mental disorders. So a lot of these things are connected
Speaker 2: because if say, you're afraid of the dark, and that
Speaker 2: causes you to do something that is obsessive compulsive because
Speaker 2: you don't want to be in the dark. So maybe
Speaker 2: you have to strap yourself with twenty four hundred battery
Speaker 2: powered LEDs to go outside when it's dark. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's an obsessive compulsive disorder that's actually triggered by your
Speaker 2: fear of the dark. So I mean these things are
Speaker 2: all kind of married together. So like my fear of
Speaker 2: maybe going into the bathroom at the kindergarten because I
Speaker 2: was afraid there was poison on the wall in the
Speaker 2: form of mold was probably an OCD behavior, but it
Speaker 2: was triggered by my fear of toxophobia. So these things
Speaker 2: kind of all kind of gelled together. So one of
Speaker 2: the common phobias that people have, and some of them
Speaker 2: are very benign, they're just people are aware of it
Speaker 2: and other people are extreme, is germaphobia, and germophobes are
Speaker 2: all ovia. It's also called.
Speaker 1: Germophobia is all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't even mean to I'm so clever. But
Speaker 2: it's also called miso phobia, which is different than your
Speaker 2: miso phonia. Phobia and phonia are different things, and they're
Speaker 2: spelled a little different. One is miso that's the fear
Speaker 2: of chewing sounds, and then the other one is mysophobia,
Speaker 2: which is being a germophobe, so you're afraid you're gonna
Speaker 2: get some kind of disease.
Speaker 1: Which is pretty much everybody in today's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, right now with COVID nineteen, everybody is becoming
Speaker 2: or has already become a germophobe or a virophobe seems
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, we could call it a virophobia. Virophobe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: could be. But anyway, whatever your thoughts are on that,
Speaker 2: that's a different subject. We're not going to go there.
Speaker 2: We're going to avoid that political quagmire and we're just
Speaker 2: gonna like truck right on. Yeah. Germophobia. So a lot
Speaker 2: of famous people are germophobes, a lot of non famous
Speaker 2: people are germophobes. A lot of you listening might be
Speaker 2: to some degree or another a germophobe.
Speaker 1: Isn't the guy from like deal or no Deal or
Speaker 1: oh Howie Mendel, Let's make a deal.
Speaker 2: Yes, Howie Mandel is a famous germophobe. He also does
Speaker 2: America's Got Talent? Okay, Yeah, and he is very well
Speaker 2: known as somebody who does not like to be touched
Speaker 2: or to touch people. Is it him or it might
Speaker 2: even Donald Trump, because Donald Trump as far as his
Speaker 2: desire to shake hands, he doesn't like shaking hands. And
Speaker 2: somebody calls it a human Petri dish, which is your
Speaker 2: hand when you shake Yeah, yeah, and that might be
Speaker 2: Howie Mandel. I know the other guy, the famous radio
Speaker 2: announcer shock Jock Howard Stern, Howard Stern, he's a germophobe.
Speaker 1: Howard Mendel, Howie Howie Mandel, and Howard Stern.
Speaker 2: Howard Stern, they're both germophobes. It must be something to
Speaker 2: do with Howard how I don't know, but okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw one more in there, Okay, okay, as far
Speaker 2: as extreme germophobes go. And he's also a how No.
Speaker 2: Howard Hughes. Now, Howard Hughes is a really famous million
Speaker 2: billionaire guy from like the nineteen fifties. So this guy
Speaker 2: for the name, yeah, I mean he he started Hughes
Speaker 2: air West. He had an airline and then he bought tea.
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy, he's done a lot of things.
Speaker 2: He was an engineer, he designed airplanes, did all kinds
Speaker 2: of crazy stuff. I mean he said speed records and airplanes.
Speaker 2: And he crashed in an airplane. And he had this wild.
Speaker 3: Life as its owner, backer, builder, and pilot. Howard Hughes
Speaker 3: brings the plane in from its test flight or a
Speaker 3: landing at the dangerous speed of seventy five miles an hour.
Speaker 3: It's only nineteen thirty five, yet millionaire sportsman Howard Hughes
Speaker 3: has flown over three hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 2: He made movies, he bought a movie studio. He was famous,
Speaker 2: he'd actually won like oscars. This guy had like the
Speaker 2: ideal life. He was a playboy. He slept with all
Speaker 2: kinds of Hollywood starlets, and he at the end of
Speaker 2: World War Two and into the Cold War, there was
Speaker 2: a Russian submarine that sunk and they couldn't locate The
Speaker 2: Russians can locate it. Well, the CIA used some sophisticated
Speaker 2: devices at that time, and they located the submarine and
Speaker 2: they basically commissioned Howard Hughes to be affront for the
Speaker 2: CIA to develop this this ship that was going to
Speaker 2: go out, and they actually were able to recover most
Speaker 2: of this sunken submarine and gave us all kinds of
Speaker 2: insight into their technology and stuff. So he did a
Speaker 2: lot of crazy things. He was involved with, like these
Speaker 2: super secret spook stuff, and I mean he was like
Speaker 2: every man's ideal man, right. But what Godham wasn't the
Speaker 2: fear of any of that stuff that he did. It
Speaker 2: was the fear of being contaminated by germs crazy, and
Speaker 2: he got so extreme that like in the seventies, he'd
Speaker 2: moved all over the place, all over the world. He
Speaker 2: would basically go into like a luxury suite in a hotel.
Speaker 2: He would have his help there. They would basically strip
Speaker 2: the place of anything that could be contamped dominated. He
Speaker 2: would lay on the bed naked at night so that
Speaker 2: he could not touch anything that would contaminate him. He
Speaker 2: quit like brushing his teeth out of fear that he
Speaker 2: would bringing germs and stuff into his mouth. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: didn't trim his nails or his toenails. He would put
Speaker 2: tissue boxes on his feet and walk around so he
Speaker 2: didn't touch the floor. I mean, he went off the
Speaker 2: deep end. He wasn't even recognizable from that playboy guy
Speaker 2: when he was at his heyday as this millionaire. But
Speaker 2: when he died, he weighed ninety pounds. He was on
Speaker 2: a flight coming back to the United States to try
Speaker 2: to help him, and apparently because he was also addicted
Speaker 2: to different drugs, he his kidney shut down and he died.
Speaker 2: He weighed ninety pounds. Crazy, Yeah, I mean, it's weird,
Speaker 2: weird story. So we have the trifecta of Howards that
Speaker 2: have germophobia.
Speaker 1: Three Howards walk into a bar. They all washed their hands,
Speaker 1: then jeez.
Speaker 2: That's that was bad though.
Speaker 1: That was bad, Okay.
Speaker 2: Another one that was famous for germophobes was Nicola Tesla. Tesla,
Speaker 2: Now Tesla was a super genius. He was a I
Speaker 2: think he was from Serbia, right. Originally he had studied
Speaker 2: engineering and stuff, and he was in always conflict with
Speaker 2: Thomas Edison. As you know, they're trying to get all
Speaker 2: of the electric stuff going in the world.
Speaker 1: There was like a race going for AC and DC power,
Speaker 1: which one's more efficient and safer and.
Speaker 2: Right, And Nicola was the AC guy and Edison was
Speaker 2: the DC guy. But anyway, they tore the sheets and
Speaker 2: they had altercations. But Nicola Tesla was kind of weird.
Speaker 2: He had germophobia and another phobia which was strange, and
Speaker 2: maybe it was because he messed around with electricity, but
Speaker 2: it was his fear of women's jewelry. Yeah, he had
Speaker 2: a fear of women's jewelry. It was called cosmemophobia.
Speaker 1: Let's say that again, cosmemophobia cosmemophi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was afraid of women's jewelry, especially the big,
Speaker 2: heavy metal jewelry. And maybe it was because it was
Speaker 2: conductive and he was afraid he was going to get electrocuted.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this guy, they said he was so anal
Speaker 2: about you know, his hygiene that he would wash his
Speaker 2: hands multiple multiple times. They said he'd go through seventeen
Speaker 2: towels in one day. Wow to you know, basically get
Speaker 2: rid of that phobia or two offset it now. So
Speaker 2: these are when they get that extreme, those things basically
Speaker 2: become obsessive compulsive disorders, right, And there are a lot
Speaker 2: of those things around that are just really really strange.
Speaker 1: I wonder where the fear of women's jewelry comes from.
Speaker 1: Not men's jewelry, yeah, yeah, I'm imagining not a lot
Speaker 1: of guys wore jewelry back then, but like rings and watches.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe he got picked up and the lady
Speaker 2: had a broach and had a pin he got poked.
Speaker 1: When he was a kid, or scared him from there, yeah.
Speaker 2: Or you know, you hug him and they shit to
Speaker 2: you know, hug you up close and you're young and elementary,
Speaker 2: squack his head on, mack your head into a brooch,
Speaker 2: or Ryanstone gets stuck in your nose.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be Ryanstone. Well, okay, not
Speaker 1: what they put on like cowboy pants, maybe it was
Speaker 1: a little bit of turquoise.
Speaker 2: I don't know something in a brooch or a necklace.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know something that's a weird one.
Speaker 2: It is a weird one.
Speaker 1: I like to conductor metaphor. I think of that a
Speaker 1: lot as a welder. You know, when I'm using like
Speaker 1: high frequency AC, it'll like kind of every once in
Speaker 1: a while, it's just like maybe you gotta it'll like
Speaker 1: get you. It's just like it. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what does it through my glove. I think I'm just
Speaker 1: super conducted.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's a nerve problem.
Speaker 1: Nerve problem. Yeah, yeah, my nerves freak out when they
Speaker 1: get hit with electricity.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. So do you have anything that you
Speaker 2: want to share. I've been bringing these things out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had like a full I know.
Speaker 2: I'm prepared, man, That's what happens when you get older,
Speaker 2: you get organized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you put it in the tunnel. Must be nice.
Speaker 1: No kids running around?
Speaker 2: What do you mean you're running around?
Speaker 1: I'm not running around your house.
Speaker 2: We are tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing Eggi's on the floor in the morning.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 1: Crying about a bottle in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Speaking of a bottle beer break. Oh that was a
Speaker 2: good beer as what you think?
Speaker 3: That's good?
Speaker 1: I got it right here.
Speaker 2: I like beer breaks. Beer breaks are good.
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of kind of maybe our next topic.
Speaker 1: One thing that really bothers me is when you pour
Speaker 1: a beer into a glass like this, and the foam
Speaker 1: the head or whatever on the beer makes like those
Speaker 1: what do you call that dirty kind.
Speaker 2: Of have those spots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has like a residue that that stays the
Speaker 1: foam kind of lingers and stays on the on the
Speaker 1: top of the glass, and it creates like a weird
Speaker 1: kind of texture, Yeah, textured pattern. That bothers me. So
Speaker 1: I try to always drink my beer in like a.
Speaker 2: Circle and kind of rents those down.
Speaker 1: As you go and like tip them so that it
Speaker 1: kind of race is the Yeah. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I don't like it. It doesn't have anything to do.
Speaker 2: I have the same kind of thing I do, you
Speaker 2: know which kind of brings us to that. A lot
Speaker 2: of times phobias and quirks can kind of lead or
Speaker 2: are married to a type of OCD or obsessive compulsive disorder.
Speaker 1: Right, you brought that up earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's something we should talk about
Speaker 2: because it is highly prevalent in the types of weird
Speaker 2: phobias and quirks that we're moving towards. It's something that
Speaker 2: happens when it gets really noticeable for other people. Then
Speaker 2: you're on the fringe of being obsessive compulsive about that, right,
Speaker 2: And it's not necessarily a laughing matter, because it's quite serious.
Speaker 2: For a lot of people, these disorders can totally ruin
Speaker 2: their lives. But at the same time, some of these
Speaker 2: things are kind of humorous, and we try to keep
Speaker 2: a light hearted kind of atmosphere on most of this discussion.
Speaker 2: I think from here on out, when we start talking
Speaker 2: about the more severe forms of OCD and the married
Speaker 2: phobias that go with it, it's a little more sobering,
Speaker 2: unlike our beer so anyway, So, obsessive compulsive disorders are
Speaker 2: basically anything that jumps into your mind. It could be
Speaker 2: an image or a thought, or a thing that kind
Speaker 2: of makes you have a compulsive need to take care
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, it could be something that you're afraid of,
Speaker 2: or it could be something that you feel like you
Speaker 2: need to do. It could be an image, it could
Speaker 2: be all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So, like on a basic level, maybe you feel like
Speaker 1: somebody's watching you, so you feel like you need to
Speaker 1: look over your shoulder constantly, but you never there's anybody there, right,
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So somebody feels like if they're walking down the road
Speaker 2: that they have to make sure they count the number
Speaker 2: of lines or cracks in the sidewalk, and then at
Speaker 2: the end of a certain number, they have to like
Speaker 2: take a step backwards, or perhaps they have to jump
Speaker 2: the last crack, or maybe have to step on the
Speaker 2: last crack. It could be if you step on one
Speaker 2: crack that you need to make sure you step on
Speaker 2: another crack with your other foot in a certain number
Speaker 2: of steps.
Speaker 1: And it's not like a game. It's not like a
Speaker 1: mental like I'm going to occupy my time right now.
Speaker 1: It's like a thing where you kind of you feel
Speaker 1: like you have to if you do, don't you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you should go back and fix it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, a common one that some people have, like
Speaker 2: say the way that you hang toilet paper. Okay, do
Speaker 2: you put the paper over or do you put it under.
Speaker 1: The internet debate of the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that for some people is an obsessive, compulsive disorder.
Speaker 2: However mild, it's still a disorder because they will actually
Speaker 2: go in if it's wrong, and they will fix it
Speaker 2: because it bothers them if it's the wrong way, good
Speaker 2: for them. Yeah, So you know that's a little more mild.
Speaker 2: But there are extreme.
Speaker 1: Cases of this stuff like that Monk TV show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Monk, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Just couldn't function without like.
Speaker 2: Doing certain things. Yeah. And you know, you can get
Speaker 2: online and read some stories for some of these people.
Speaker 2: I feel a lot of empathy for a lot of
Speaker 2: them because even though it sounds funny, I was reading
Speaker 2: one article where a boyfriend of a lady who had
Speaker 2: obsessive compulsive disorder. She had to have everything straightened, had
Speaker 2: to have everything organized, couldn't have any mess on any counters,
Speaker 2: all the pins you know that were on the desk
Speaker 2: had to be lined up exactly right. And his big
Speaker 2: fun thing was to go out and kind of mess
Speaker 2: him up every time she'd turn her head and it
Speaker 2: would drive her crazy driver insane. And then he went
Speaker 2: to one of the appointments where she was meeting with
Speaker 2: a counselor to help her deal with her OCD, and
Speaker 2: there was a little kid there who obviously was out
Speaker 2: and who had a different form of OCD, and he
Speaker 2: was walking on the cracks and he had to like
Speaker 2: take walks around the cracks and then jump three times
Speaker 2: and then fall down to his knees then jump up,
Speaker 2: and he described this elaborate kind of thing, and the
Speaker 2: parent or the psychiatrist or whatever that was helping made
Speaker 2: him step away from his routine and he just fell
Speaker 2: sobbing on the floor because he couldn't complete his ritual,
Speaker 2: his obsessive compulsive ritual. The guy was so impacted by it.
Speaker 2: Every time he went home he made sure that he
Speaker 2: lined everything up neatly for her, because all of a
Speaker 2: sudden he realized the impact of not having.
Speaker 1: It right right wasn't a joke anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a really frustrating thing. It's odd and for
Speaker 2: some of this we might think it's a little humorous,
Speaker 2: but it's quite debilitating for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, on like a minor scale,
Speaker 1: when people do things subconsciously or involuntarily, it can be
Speaker 1: kind of funny. So like let's say you're at a
Speaker 1: dinner party and there's somebody at the table who you know,
Speaker 1: he'll take a drink and then he'll tap his fork
Speaker 1: on that plate and you're like, why does he keep clinking?
Speaker 1: And then isn't there, Like it becomes a thing, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know, I just keep clinking my fork.
Speaker 1: I can't help.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of sinful episodes where they did
Speaker 2: weird things like that.
Speaker 1: I know, for like myself, Like we were just talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, workouts and going to the gym and stuff.
Speaker 1: If I lift some weights and I pick up the
Speaker 1: weight from the rack with my right arm, if I
Speaker 1: take it off with my right arm, again, I feel weird,
Speaker 1: like I've done more with my right arm, so I
Speaker 1: have to take it off with my left arm and
Speaker 1: then put it back on. You know, like my brain
Speaker 1: tells me I have to do the same amount no
Speaker 1: matter what, and it will kind of bother me a
Speaker 1: little bit if I don't. And sometimes I don't just
Speaker 1: to like, you know, be more time efficient, but it
Speaker 1: will linger in my head and then the rest of
Speaker 1: the day. Like if I have to, you know, tighten
Speaker 1: a long screw on a machine I'm working on, I
Speaker 1: use my left hand instead of my right and it'll linger.
Speaker 2: It'll like wait, wait a minute, I need to use
Speaker 2: my right or I need to offset that.
Speaker 1: I need to take care of the fact that I
Speaker 1: lifted the weight off the rack twice with my right arm.
Speaker 2: I need some equilibrium get in this. Yeah, it's really weird,
Speaker 2: you know. That's one of the really common ocds is that, Okay,
Speaker 2: if I touch something with my right fingertip, then I
Speaker 2: need to touch it with the left fingertip. It's like
Speaker 2: they need to equalize things, or if they put something
Speaker 2: on the right side, they need to do something on
Speaker 2: the left side as well. And sometimes even when you're driving,
Speaker 2: people will say, oh, I'm driving too much in the
Speaker 2: right lane. I need to drive now in the left lane.
Speaker 1: Oh, and they'll make a lane change just yeah, satisfy that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just so that they get satisfied. Or some will
Speaker 2: be so extreme it's like, Okay, I'm going to drive
Speaker 2: two miles in the right lane, two miles in the
Speaker 2: left lane, and they'll they'll have a pattern or a
Speaker 2: sequence of letters or numbers that they have to do.
Speaker 2: It's really really weird. There's no controlling it. It's in
Speaker 2: people that are doing it realize that it's strange. The
Speaker 2: ramifications of not doing what they feel like they need
Speaker 2: to do is way worse than just going ahead and
Speaker 2: basically surrendering to the urge.
Speaker 1: As far as like anxiety goes. Yeah, crazy, yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 1: So now imagine you've got that desire, you've got that
Speaker 1: OCD to do something, and imagine if that something is
Speaker 1: something bad. So that's where things get really really hard
Speaker 1: and difficult. Because if you're fixated on something, you can
Speaker 1: fixate on numbers or something, and that's kind of innocuous.
Speaker 1: But what if you have a fixation on something visual,
Speaker 1: some kind of imagery or thought that's in your brain
Speaker 1: of something you must do and that whatever it is
Speaker 1: is bad. That sounds like a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is. It's horrific for those people.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's something they would never do, but they
Speaker 2: can't get the image out of their head. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: OCD can be something that is totally something that's confined
Speaker 2: within your mind. It's a it's a vision, it's an
Speaker 2: image of something, and that's really really hard for people.
Speaker 2: There are cases where like people are afraid that they
Speaker 2: are going to cheat yes OK, or they're going to
Speaker 2: not be able to say no to have in some
Speaker 2: kind of relationship with another sexual relationship even though they
Speaker 2: never would in real life. They have that phobia and
Speaker 2: it leads to an obsessive compulsive disorder where they have
Speaker 2: to do extreme things to try to avoid that situation.
Speaker 2: Or maybe those images are so strong they don't even
Speaker 2: know if they're true or fault anymore. But like this
Speaker 2: has resulted in people like creating chastity belts for themselves
Speaker 2: so that they would know that in giving somebody else
Speaker 2: the key, so that they would know that they could not,
Speaker 2: you know, cheat or fulfill that image in their mind
Speaker 2: that's something and it doesn't you know what if it's
Speaker 2: it could be an image of like that you steal
Speaker 2: something even though you never would. In your mind, you're
Speaker 2: afraid if you go into a certain store, you're going
Speaker 2: to steal something.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that mean an answer to They're like, why'd you
Speaker 1: steal it?
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, you know, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people like, okay, you can get into kleptomania, which is
Speaker 2: an their thing, and and that's this is all marry.
Speaker 2: This is all kind of like all wrapped together. It's
Speaker 2: pretty disheartening, I'm sure for people that are suffering for
Speaker 2: the other people they just think people are crazy and weird.
Speaker 2: You go down this path, it gets weirder and weirder.
Speaker 2: One of the weirdest things that I ran across is
Speaker 2: this thing called the Pika disorder. Pika, Yeah, pika, p
Speaker 2: I c a maybe they call it, maybe they pronounce
Speaker 2: it pika, but I think it's looks like a pika
Speaker 2: and it's a Basically, it's a psychological eating disorder. What
Speaker 2: differentiates this from other disorders like blameia or anorexia is
Speaker 2: that this disorder is found in people who have an
Speaker 2: inexplicable need to eat something that has no nutritional value.
Speaker 1: Like a stool or a chair.
Speaker 2: It could be anything. Wow. So some of the more
Speaker 2: common ones are people will eat mud.
Speaker 1: Oh, and that means they're anemic.
Speaker 2: That would not be pika. That would be you know, some.
Speaker 1: Kind of nutritional deficit, right, but Pike.
Speaker 2: Would be No, I need to eat mud for some
Speaker 2: reason other than nutritional value. It's caused by something else.
Speaker 2: And so okay, So MUD's one thing that okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe you need more. I don't know what iron in
Speaker 2: your diet or something. But what if it's something like
Speaker 2: I need to eat ice no nutritional value, but I
Speaker 2: mean I have the compulsion I need to go eat ice.
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about getting ice cube. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about I'm going to go to the lake, a frozen
Speaker 2: lake and lay out there and gnaw on the ice.
Speaker 2: Or I'm going to buy a block of ice and
Speaker 2: I just got to go and eat it. And you know,
Speaker 2: so it's something that they feel like they have to do.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's I think that's as associated with anemia too.
Speaker 2: It's a little weirder. I know my mom who had cancer.
Speaker 2: One of the side effects of that was she would
Speaker 2: always chew on ice when she was going through cancer treatments.
Speaker 2: But beyond that, what if the thing that you're eating
Speaker 2: is something like metal, right, or what if you start
Speaker 2: eating a wall? So yeah, one a guy.
Speaker 1: Who goes fantousy like ate a whole airplane. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be in Japan or somehow.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear or read about that, but yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's a really strange one. I did read a story
Speaker 2: about a gal who I think she was in Africa,
Speaker 2: South Africa, that started to eat. She could not stop herself.
Speaker 2: She was a young schoolgirl. She started eating the walls
Speaker 2: and she ate basically one of the walls out of
Speaker 2: her house, and she got parasites, she got all kinds
Speaker 2: of illnesses, she had teeth problems, stuff because she couldn't stop. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be one. Another thing that people have been
Speaker 2: known to do is eat chalk.
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds like I know, that sounds horrible.
Speaker 2: Or they pull out their hair and eat their hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me of one that I was reading.
Speaker 1: Is just the need to feel like you need to pull.
Speaker 2: Out your hair, like a some kind of disorder.
Speaker 1: Disorder I like we mentioned earlier, I made like a
Speaker 1: note in my phone and for some reason, my phone
Speaker 1: does not save notes.
Speaker 2: I've heard that excuse before. I know, I don't know
Speaker 2: I have. That's what I'm saying. That's older guys, we
Speaker 2: got it going on. We're organized.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I mean it must be nice to
Speaker 1: work from home.
Speaker 2: Another thing that they've been known to eat is you know,
Speaker 2: like needles, oh and stuff like that, some really weird stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, even eating their own feces. I mean it's
Speaker 2: it's a really strange condition. And this is way out there,
Speaker 2: but this is like a need that is driven by
Speaker 2: something psychologically in their mind that they have to obey.
Speaker 2: Or they will be miserable.
Speaker 1: I kind of can relate in a very minor way. Okay,
Speaker 1: when we go and eat soups together that all you
Speaker 1: can eat sushi plays we love so very very much.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I have the need to eat as much as life
Speaker 1: as possible. I think that's called I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die when I leave and I get cramps because
Speaker 1: I think the carbohydrates are something from all the rice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get cramps in.
Speaker 1: My legs and I did sick to my stomach, locks
Speaker 1: up and stuff.
Speaker 2: You might have diabetes, dude, well.
Speaker 1: And nobody should consume eighty dollars worth of sushi in
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, healthy.
Speaker 2: Of white rice, yes, and all kinds of weird syrups.
Speaker 1: It might just be. It might be cramps in my
Speaker 1: legs from supporting my excess body weight from eating the sushi.
Speaker 1: It was good. It was bad, baby, so good sushi.
Speaker 2: Okay. One thing that's really weird about obsessive compulsive disord
Speaker 2: is I think everybody has some level of OCD on something.
Speaker 2: I think it's really rare to find somebody who hasn't
Speaker 2: struggled with some kind of OCD behavior. It doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be extreme.
Speaker 1: But all this happened as minor is leaving the house
Speaker 1: to get to work on a time that ends in
Speaker 1: a five or a zero. You know, like you better
Speaker 1: leave by five o'clock or five fifteen instead of you know,
Speaker 1: five twelve exactly.
Speaker 2: Or you know, people have like we talked about the
Speaker 2: toilet paper over under, there's also things like how do
Speaker 2: you stack the dishwasher. Some people are very OCD about that.
Speaker 2: That's why it's kind of become this kind of slang
Speaker 2: for people that are anal. You know, they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're really anal about that, But it's really, you know,
Speaker 2: a mild form of OCD. I'd like to be in control.
Speaker 2: I like to drive, I'd like to organize things a
Speaker 2: certain way. If Roxanne stacks the dishwasher wrong, I'll fit it,
Speaker 2: you know, and for me, I think of it. No,
Speaker 2: it's not OCD, it's logic. Yeah, it will clean so
Speaker 2: much better if it's in this position, or we can
Speaker 2: stack so much more if it's in this position.
Speaker 1: So when I was in high school, you and I
Speaker 1: put together this car, a Volkswagen Bug.
Speaker 2: Yes, which we should have on ours. Yeah, we should
Speaker 2: show pictures that we should be cut it on a.
Speaker 1: Strange mobile or something.
Speaker 2: A strange bug. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, when I was in high school, you and I
Speaker 1: built this car together or put it together and kind
Speaker 1: of modified it. And it's a kind of a Baja
Speaker 1: style bug. But it's done up really nice, I think.
Speaker 1: But you used to, you know, be like, hey, why
Speaker 1: don't you scrape on this? And then you know, I'll
Speaker 1: work on this thing over here, And then I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll clean up this whatever motor mount. It's like a
Speaker 1: stupid thing. I just got to scrap the paint off
Speaker 1: of it or something. You come back pick no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't do it that way, and then you do it yourself.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, I know I.
Speaker 2: Was horrible, but I got better if you as we
Speaker 2: went along the process.
Speaker 1: But what I was going to say is I understand
Speaker 1: exactly how you felt.
Speaker 2: Your mom can bear testimony to this, because I am
Speaker 2: so awful. I mean, there are things I like to
Speaker 2: do a certain way and when they're not done that way,
Speaker 2: and a lot of times it's because of efficiency. Like
Speaker 2: your mom has a way of like deciding that she's
Speaker 2: going to use a tool to do something that it
Speaker 2: was not designed to do, like driving a nail with
Speaker 2: the back end of a knife from our.
Speaker 1: Silverware drawer, use a screwdriver.
Speaker 2: It's it's like, why just get a hammer? And so,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of times the things that drive
Speaker 2: her crazy about doing small projects is that she doesn't
Speaker 2: use the right tool. Yep. And for me, it's like,
Speaker 2: get the right tool.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh yeah, And I think that comes from
Speaker 1: your you know, you you're a handyman. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: build things. You can you know, you have the basic
Speaker 1: knowledge of construction and geometry stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 1: like mom has that tiny hammer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, why did you drive a nail?
Speaker 1: That damn thing?
Speaker 2: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: That's like it's like something you put in a kid's
Speaker 1: toy box.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people who have a different approach to doing things
Speaker 2: that for you is like extremely logical and extremely normal
Speaker 2: and efficient. To see them try to do the same
Speaker 2: thing with something that is not efficient is well frustrating.
Speaker 2: I totally get it. But anyway, so that's kind of
Speaker 2: a form of OCD. And I don't think that OCD
Speaker 2: necessarily happens consistently through your life. I think it Ebbs
Speaker 2: and flows. Different things cause you to be obsessive about
Speaker 2: certain things, or you might be obsessed with certain things
Speaker 2: at certain times in your life, depending on you know,
Speaker 2: your age, your hormones, whatever. It changes as you get
Speaker 2: older and as you grow and experience new things in life.
Speaker 2: So I remember as a we would go down We
Speaker 2: lived in a place called Twin Falls, Idaho, and very
Speaker 2: close to Twin Falls was lo and Behold Falls and
Speaker 2: it was quite beautiful, but it was huge. They call
Speaker 2: it the Niagara of the West. I'll put a picture
Speaker 2: on the website some people can see. But when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, we would go down there, and it
Speaker 2: was always kind of fearful, you know, because you had
Speaker 2: to walk out there.
Speaker 1: And kind of your fear of heights thing we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, you know, you're worried about your loved ones, right,
Speaker 1: And they had these.
Speaker 2: Like viewpoints where you could walk down these steps and
Speaker 2: you'd overhang the cliff and you could look out over
Speaker 2: the whole falls, you know, and see everything. It was beautiful,
Speaker 2: but it was also quite scary, and as a young kid,
Speaker 2: I mean totally engraved itself into my mind. And because
Speaker 2: there was always this thunderous water going over. It was
Speaker 2: crazy and you were high up in the air. And
Speaker 2: so then my sister was born, and I remember she
Speaker 2: was fragile, and you know, she was a baby, and somehow,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if we went on a picnic
Speaker 2: down there, and I got in my mind an image
Speaker 2: of me grabbing my sister and throwing her over the
Speaker 2: lookout into the falls, and it would not leave my mind.
Speaker 2: This image of me doing something harmful to my little
Speaker 2: baby sister was stuck in there. I remember, as an
Speaker 2: older kid, you know, maybe when I was twelve, when
Speaker 2: she was like two or three, I didn't want to
Speaker 2: go to the falls with them as a family because
Speaker 2: I was afraid I would lose control. And somehow I
Speaker 2: would just pick her up and throw her over the lookout,
Speaker 2: and it was so weird. I have no idea why
Speaker 2: that image stuck in my head, but that's a typical
Speaker 2: kind of OCD thing where something sticks in your head
Speaker 2: and it affects your life. So for the next until
Speaker 2: she was too heavy for me to pick up and
Speaker 2: throw over the edge, I literally tried to avoid any
Speaker 2: time that I would be able to go to the
Speaker 2: falls where she was going to be there, just because
Speaker 2: of that image was so powerful stuck in my head.
Speaker 1: I can kind of relate to that when I was little. Remember,
Speaker 1: I've been talking to mom about this, but I just
Speaker 1: had thoughts of like me sitting there at dinner and
Speaker 1: grabbing my knife and just stabbing somebody. Yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and that's all I could think about, Not like I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, but like what if my body?
Speaker 2: What is wrong with? What would happen if I did that?
Speaker 1: What would what would I say? What would I do?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I don't want to do that. It's this
Speaker 1: is like a weird thing. And you know, I'd say
Speaker 1: that like I don't know, I'm afraid of doing something bad.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything bad. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: the most terrible thing. And now that I'm older, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's translated from me doing something bad. But
Speaker 1: what if something bad happens?
Speaker 2: Somebody else does something bad.
Speaker 1: Or you know, like now and I have kids, what
Speaker 1: if he just falls and hit his head wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What would I do?
Speaker 2: I just thoughts that are so powerful in your head,
Speaker 2: and they totally recur. It's like they're on a repeat yep,
Speaker 2: And then you're a ultro of your kids, and it's
Speaker 2: probably some form of survival mechanism. I'm assuming, but you know,
Speaker 2: I'm super aware of where my kid is and I
Speaker 2: get mad if he goes in the road without mentioning it.
Speaker 1: I get mad if he walks backwards towards the road,
Speaker 1: because all it would take is for him to slip.
Speaker 1: It's uncontrollable. And with my kids, I'd rather be an
Speaker 1: irritating helicopter dad than have them fall on their head.
Speaker 2: They have something happen, but yeah, for sure, I don't
Speaker 2: think they would even fall.
Speaker 1: That's the weird part.
Speaker 2: And you can't protect them from all the times you're
Speaker 2: not there, when they're playing and you're not around. One
Speaker 2: of the things that this really goes to illustrate is
Speaker 2: that people that are supposedly normal have those same kind
Speaker 2: of OCD thoughts and in some small way are able
Speaker 2: to be sympathetic to people that are stuck in those routines,
Speaker 2: those thoughts that will not leave your mind. You know,
Speaker 2: what do you do with those thoughts? How do you
Speaker 2: deal with those things? I've had a lot of those
Speaker 2: thoughts where like I'll just have like a like maybe
Speaker 2: a dirty word or something I'll be like I've been
Speaker 2: in church before, sitting in a pew, and I'll have
Speaker 2: this terrible thought run through my head, and then I
Speaker 2: try not to think about it, and it runs through again.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: The more you try not to think of it, the
Speaker 1: more you think of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so is this some kind of possession? I
Speaker 2: mean I wondered about that myself. It's like, is this
Speaker 2: like some kind of evil that's trying to overtake me?
Speaker 2: Why do I have this thought as a little kid
Speaker 2: of throwing my sister over the fall? Is? What is
Speaker 2: this like the devil? You know? What's wrong with me?
Speaker 2: And as you get older, you know, you still wonder,
Speaker 2: And maybe it is. Maybe there's like this, if we
Speaker 2: could see behind the veil, maybe there's some big, ugly
Speaker 2: demon sitting there and shouting something horrible in your ear.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you speaking ugly. I picture him
Speaker 1: like a little guy, a little like like two and
Speaker 1: a half feet tall, but like normal proportions like willow.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, just grab the baby dum.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a little squeaky voice. I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But Cupid and the diapers. Yeah, speaking of Cupid, what's
Speaker 2: coming up here in the near future. Valentine's Day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we should talk about that.
Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes if that's where like we get our
Speaker 1: Ed Kemper's and our Ted Bundy's and our you know,
Speaker 1: those kind of people where they've had those voices and
Speaker 1: they start listening for some reason, not even listening to
Speaker 1: them because I think they know they're wrong, but they.
Speaker 2: Just can't disengage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just they just go for it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think everybody has voices in their right, whether it's
Speaker 1: you know, where it's like, maybe I should just kick
Speaker 1: that door shut because you know, I don't like that
Speaker 1: guy right now, I'm gonna kick that door shut. So
Speaker 1: they do it, you know, it ends up hurting somebody
Speaker 1: because they kicked the door and it hit them in
Speaker 1: the head or whatever. And then that's one little thing
Speaker 1: that happened. And then the next time, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I should just knock knock the cup of speaking of
Speaker 1: my children, knocked the cup of goldfish that he gave
Speaker 1: me as a snack onto the floor, just to prove
Speaker 1: that I'm mad.
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha ha.
Speaker 1: And then it can kind of escalate and if you
Speaker 1: don't have the right you know, kind of nurturing and
Speaker 1: then in the right mindset of success and positivity, or.
Speaker 2: You have some kind of severe mental psychological issue.
Speaker 1: Then maybe it will progress is maybe it'll turn into
Speaker 1: maybe I should like this dumpster on fire, maybe I
Speaker 1: should cut that cat with a knife, or you know,
Speaker 1: some weird ted Bundy thing keeps going and it just escalates.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that's Although everybody has those voices,
Speaker 1: it just comes down to their heart and their personality and.
Speaker 2: Their ability to ignore or to release the voice. I've
Speaker 2: thought about this because we're doing this podcast with my sister.
Speaker 2: What did I do there to kind of free myself
Speaker 2: of that image in my mind? Well, the honest truth was,
Speaker 2: at first, I avoided it for probably a few years
Speaker 2: when I was younger. It's like I just tried not
Speaker 2: to get in a situation where that it actually happened. Later,
Speaker 2: I started to recognize that this was a voice that
Speaker 2: was not real, It was silly and all these things,
Speaker 2: and I gave myself grace. It's like when I gave
Speaker 2: myself grace and oh yeah, that thought went through my mind.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I don't have to listen to it.
Speaker 2: And then as soon as I took the the power
Speaker 2: of it away by saying, oh, yeah, go ahead, run
Speaker 2: through my mind. I don't care have that stupid thought.
Speaker 2: It's stupid, but I'm not going to We'll move on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, the power of it was gone.
Speaker 2: But if I fought it, if I tried to grab
Speaker 2: that thought and make it go away, it was impossible.
Speaker 2: But if I just let it run through and let
Speaker 2: it go, then it was like, huh, yeah, there it
Speaker 2: is again, stupid thing, and just let it go.
Speaker 1: I also wonder if it's a little form of like
Speaker 1: natural preservation for little things. So your sister at the
Speaker 1: time was the most helpless thing in your life, right,
Speaker 1: and the current, you know what's the biggest through gravity?
Speaker 1: You know, through the river is going to be the
Speaker 1: most helpless situation. I've been to Niagara Falls and I
Speaker 1: personally thought, what if I fell in there, I'd be screwed.
Speaker 1: Grab a rock, There's nothing to grab onto. It's fast
Speaker 1: moving water because these waterfalls are huge, and I remember
Speaker 1: no chance.
Speaker 2: I remember going down to those falls when I was
Speaker 2: a little kid. I would have to grab the rail
Speaker 2: and my head white noise going down there because it
Speaker 2: was so terrifying. I mean, the water noise was so loud,
Speaker 2: and it was so scary and so high, and I
Speaker 2: could see through the fences and the holes, and the
Speaker 2: fences you know, looks so big, like you have to
Speaker 2: fall through, and you know, I'd see people lift their
Speaker 2: kids up to look over the edge of the rail,
Speaker 2: and I just freaked me out.
Speaker 1: So that's probably where your anxiety came from.
Speaker 2: Part of is you were married that with the fear
Speaker 2: of this poor helpless new little baby sister.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate helplessness of the situation. Those two things
Speaker 1: are I think you could make more and complete innocence.
Speaker 2: I get that. I think you're right, and I think
Speaker 2: you're on somebody. You could throw in more. You could
Speaker 2: go all Freudian on it, and you could say, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe there's a jealousy issue with probably not being the
Speaker 2: youngest child, and now I've got this like little sister
Speaker 2: to compete with, so maybe I have some animosity or
Speaker 2: anger towards her that is manifest in this image that
Speaker 2: I know is wrong.
Speaker 1: Freud the sex guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything was the mom you know, the other guy
Speaker 2: young kind of took it out of that, but yeah, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: I think all of these things are common in I
Speaker 2: would say if we were able to get people with
Speaker 2: a little bit of libation, we're able to free up
Speaker 2: their minds to and let their tongues talk freely, we
Speaker 2: would probably discover that a lot of people have these
Speaker 2: same kind of things that they've experienced.
Speaker 1: Yep, I'd agree.
Speaker 2: So do you know what the acronym of fear is
Speaker 2: in psychological circles?
Speaker 1: Flabbergasted, existential actions, regurgitated?
Speaker 2: No, but it's a good a good try try false
Speaker 2: evidence appearing real. Oh, I kind of like that. It
Speaker 2: doesn't always apply because there is a legitimate fear, butimate, yeah,
Speaker 2: dragon or an earthquake or something like that. You know,
Speaker 2: but a lot of times fear is unreal. So that
Speaker 2: false evidence appearing real is a good way to think
Speaker 2: about your fears and phobias that might have. Is this
Speaker 2: a real thing? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Kind of talks about all those things, you know, those
Speaker 1: fears of throwing somebody over the edge of a cliff.
Speaker 1: It's got dark real quick.
Speaker 2: It did, So let's get light.
Speaker 1: You want to get light, No, I want to get dark.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, go dark.
Speaker 1: So there's not much darker than like going to bed
Speaker 1: in the night time and then a shadow coming out
Speaker 1: of the darkness, like a shadow person.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're laying on your bed, the infamous shadow person.
Speaker 1: Move a single bone in your body.
Speaker 2: What does it have to do with like strange quirks?
Speaker 1: Well, sleep per hours, This is a real problem for people.
Speaker 1: You know, they wake up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: There's somewhere between sleep and wickedness, and they they feel
Speaker 1: like they can't move right. And then there's this thing
Speaker 1: that's reported constantly where people keep seeing and seeing these
Speaker 1: shadows or have the feeling of being watched, or have
Speaker 1: the feeling that something's with them, not just.
Speaker 2: Not just so that that could that sounds like an
Speaker 2: OCD moment or an obsessive compulsive disorder where they feel
Speaker 2: a different presence or they're afraid that there's a different
Speaker 2: presence somewhere in the room or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a study on this shadow people phenomenon.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it before with Milliner's and you know,
Speaker 1: other things like there's actually a part of the brain
Speaker 1: hi the campus, the left temporal junction the TPJ for
Speaker 1: those of you who are up on the cranial linguo
Speaker 1: brain geography. Yeah, apparently a scientist named Olaf Blankly, he
Speaker 1: had done a study trying to figure out epilepsy seizures
Speaker 1: in this twenty three year old girl who had epilepsy obviously,
Speaker 1: and he was, you know, applying mild electric shocks to
Speaker 1: different parts of her brain. And when she hid this
Speaker 1: TPJ spot, she had this feeling of something that would
Speaker 1: almost mimic her body's motions, like outside of her body,
Speaker 1: like something that was just behind her.
Speaker 2: She perceived something being behind her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something that's with her and mimics her, but isn't her,
Speaker 1: So could almost like her consciousness was separated from herself.
Speaker 1: So there's almost two of her at this point. But
Speaker 1: she referred to this shadow being that she saw as
Speaker 1: a he, and he would lay just beneath her when
Speaker 1: she slept and sit just behind her when she sat down, weird,
Speaker 1: and he would you know, walk behind her or to
Speaker 1: the right or left of her as she went. And
Speaker 1: I think they even said.
Speaker 2: But he would mimic her motions and movements and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think at one point in a study where
Speaker 1: they were doing like flashcards, this being this shadow person
Speaker 1: that even tried to take a card from her.
Speaker 2: So it had its own personality, So it wasn't just
Speaker 2: like a shadow of her, It actually had its own
Speaker 2: free Maybe.
Speaker 1: But if she was reaching to grab the card but
Speaker 1: perceived it as this other guy grabbing the card trying
Speaker 1: to get it from her, oh, something separated her consciousness
Speaker 1: from her physical body. And when you're in that state
Speaker 1: of sleep paralysis where you have your motor skills pretty
Speaker 1: limited or zeroed out, maybe these actions that you wish
Speaker 1: you could be taking, you know, getting up and going
Speaker 1: to the bathroom or checking the lock on the door,
Speaker 1: or turning off the hall light, maybe those thoughts get
Speaker 1: projected through this same kind of TPJ experience. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's what you would call it, but that's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna call it. Maybe that's kind of what's
Speaker 1: happening in these situations, and that's.
Speaker 2: The extreme OCD type situations. Well, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know about OCD, but well, the brain is a powerful thing.
Speaker 2: So whether you're imagining a person behind you, underneath you,
Speaker 2: or whatever reaching for a card, you're seeing it in
Speaker 2: your mind or feeling it in your mind, that's identical
Speaker 2: to what you would experience if you're having extreme forms
Speaker 2: of OCD where you're seeing an image in your mind,
Speaker 2: or you're feeling something in your mind or experiencing that
Speaker 2: something is behind you in your mind. It's real.
Speaker 1: Kind of like when you see a spider and then
Speaker 1: you feel a spider on your body all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, you're feel like there's period callies all over you.
Speaker 2: Or you can imagine there's a spider in your body
Speaker 2: and never feel it and you'd still get that creepy feeling. Yeah. Interesting,
Speaker 2: I know, we went kind of deep there for a minute.
Speaker 2: I mean that was like full on scientology or scientific
Speaker 2: scientific coology.
Speaker 1: We made Tom Cruise proud today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is a fascinating kind of subject. It kind of
Speaker 2: takes you down different rabbit holes. Even in this one
Speaker 2: podcast talking about a few of these things. We could
Speaker 2: spin these off into seven or eight different directions and
Speaker 2: have podcasts about each one of those exactly. It's so
Speaker 2: fun to do this podcast because you end up basically
Speaker 2: running into all these other show ideas.
Speaker 1: Yep, you kind of like get what you're talking about
Speaker 1: this thing or this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of cool. Well, I enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really fun.
Speaker 1: It was fun just to touch on a bunch of
Speaker 1: different stuff. We couldn't get too deep into things, but
Speaker 1: it's fun to kind of go through different you know,
Speaker 1: highlights of ticks and quirks.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we kind of we kind of went you know,
Speaker 2: we started light, and we went a little more heavy,
Speaker 2: and then we we kind of got deep and we
Speaker 2: got a little bit kind of scary and strange, and
Speaker 2: then we pulled back out and talked about the paranormal
Speaker 2: connection to shadow Man. I like that. That's what's so
Speaker 2: fun about this.
Speaker 1: Do you have a quirk like something that you see
Speaker 1: in people off the time it just bothers you.
Speaker 2: Well, I know a person that always has to rub
Speaker 2: their nose. It's like, no matter what when they're talking,
Speaker 2: they always reach up and they'll rub their nose nervous tick,
Speaker 2: nervous tick or their nose itches all the time. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure, but yeah. And it's not like they stick
Speaker 2: their finger up their nose.
Speaker 1: They just like they just like a nose rope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they touched their nose and maybe wobble it around
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's similar to the one I'm thinking of. I had
Speaker 1: a coworkers like my manager at the time, and he
Speaker 1: would always like, yeah, before he would talk to you,
Speaker 1: he'd like, sniff in, clear his throat and then speak.
Speaker 1: So you cut these acts, souls. Sure, so are you
Speaker 1: using this certain dial kliper whatever? And you're like, are
Speaker 1: you sniffing clear your throat every time you speak to me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: got to be bad for your science.
Speaker 2: Well. Another one that's weird is like your grandpa every
Speaker 2: time he eats or drinks something. After he swallows or
Speaker 2: takes a drink, he has to go I do that too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you do. And that drives me insane because people do it.
Speaker 1: They don't know. I think involuntary noises in general, like
Speaker 1: if somebody's doing something and they don't know it.
Speaker 2: But you know what thing your mom does, it's really weird.
Speaker 2: So she'll be dead asleep and I'll be just trying
Speaker 2: to go to sleep, and I'll fill the bed move
Speaker 2: and I'll look over and I see her arm raising
Speaker 2: up in the air and it raises straight up in
Speaker 2: the air, and her wrist is like limped over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, zombie.
Speaker 2: And then she'll take your other hand and it's her
Speaker 2: wrist is limp. But she'll stroke up her arm with
Speaker 2: her fingers. It's weird, and they get to the top
Speaker 2: of by her wrist and then she'll stroke back down.
Speaker 2: That's weird. And she'll just be doing that. It's like
Speaker 2: weird stroking, like a weird kind of Yeah, but take
Speaker 2: hardly any pressure's feather like pressure in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night. It is weird. It is weird. I'll grab
Speaker 2: her armor like slam it down.
Speaker 1: Like stop, you're afraid of that? Like limpriss just coming
Speaker 1: around your throat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like your arm's possessed.
Speaker 1: What are you doing.
Speaker 2: It's like a snake about ready to strike me. That's funny,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a funny one.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, let's let's wrap this up. We've talked
Speaker 2: a long time. Let's uh, let's close this baby off.
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