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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Tuesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of August fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>we're continuing with A Gentleman in Moscow, a limited series

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<v Speaker 2>on Paramount Plus. So this one was called an Arrival,

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<v Speaker 2>and it focused, as we might have guessed, on the

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<v Speaker 2>arrival of Little so Fia. I don't remember in the

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<v Speaker 2>book it being as much of a whole thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting her permission to stay. But I could be wrong

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<v Speaker 2>about that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do the fun bed thing that you were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, right, But it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was very cute when the counts or Alexander let's call him,

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<v Speaker 2>set up a bed on the floor for her, and

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<v Speaker 2>she just jumped into the real bed and he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, wait to go sweeay, I think we've established pretty

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<v Speaker 1>clever girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Extremely yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the book, they did not confirm that Nina

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<v Speaker 2>had died in Sibea. Really that was so sad. They

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<v Speaker 2>just were like, she never came back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, well we saw that that seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a likely outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it was certainly implied in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>But wow, yeah, this one was a.

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<v Speaker 1>The one who has been narrating all along, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like it's called an arrival. But the departures

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<v Speaker 1>were just, oh my gosh, those two boys going off

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<v Speaker 1>to war. Oh yes, I don't foresee a better end

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<v Speaker 1>for them than for Nina. Alas, we'll hope for the best,

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<v Speaker 1>but oh gosh. And they're so excited, right, as was

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<v Speaker 1>Nina when she left originally the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and their parents are so like, we know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, oh man, that's heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>To I mean, even if you don't more or less

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<v Speaker 1>have a certainty about the tragic outcome, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>just see kids going off to do dangerous and uncertain things, right.

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<v Speaker 3>When they're so psyched. This is gonna be great, right, look.

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<v Speaker 2>At my cool hat, my awesome uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can't tell them no, absolutely no, I forbid it.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, boy, do you want.

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<v Speaker 3>To Yeah, my mom tried.

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<v Speaker 2>Try to keep you down on the farm.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you want to go?

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<v Speaker 1>It's so nice here, right, because I am of a

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<v Speaker 1>certain agent shut up. So that was tough. That was

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<v Speaker 1>just really heartbreaking. The boys and then Nina at the

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<v Speaker 1>end just I but so the I wasn't sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>I read a right up of the episode that confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>for me that Weasley Hotel assistant manager is the easily

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<v Speaker 1>waiter with a promotion.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought so too, and I was I was meaning

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<v Speaker 2>to check.

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<v Speaker 1>They did aging up that actor just enough that you like,

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<v Speaker 1>he seems like the same brand of weasel right in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed according to uh the website I read anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>which I believe was screen rant it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I also suspected that, so, yeah, I believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, can somebody like accuse him of something that will

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<v Speaker 1>get him dragged away. It doesn't have to be true,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, not good, not good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also fear now for the actual hotel manager

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<v Speaker 1>who put his I mean he got coverage, but still

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<v Speaker 1>right bucked this weasel. Yeahls can be vicious, that is true,

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<v Speaker 1>both the human and the animal kind. Ah, but what

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<v Speaker 1>a what a change in his routine. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>routine down that he he liked even in his little

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<v Speaker 1>confinements there, and now he's a dad.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a miss.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like mister mom, you know, like all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden he has to know how to calm hair, he

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<v Speaker 1>has to know how to you know, play a game.

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<v Speaker 2>He has to go and fetch the doll that got

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<v Speaker 2>left somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's just uh, suddenly there's all this stuff I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved, you know, the game. Like he's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>read this book because his oh, Sid the jailer is

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<v Speaker 2>expecting him to read it. And he's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's play the quiet game.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>And then count to two hundred. That is a very

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<v Speaker 3>familiar strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Yes, good try. It did not work because Sophia

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<v Speaker 2>is way too smart for that, but.

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<v Speaker 3>See what you need, what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Their account is you take her down to the toys

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<v Speaker 1>r us and you set her in front of a

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<v Speaker 1>back of cars and you sit and read your book,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I used to do with my son.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't have that for very many reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't say that, not that that's what you find

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<v Speaker 1>something she's interested in. Pretend like you're doing it for her, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and read the book. Yeah, yeah, how fun. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading was mentioning that he had a similar

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<v Speaker 1>fun relationship with Nina, but he wasn't responsible for her

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four to seven. They went, they had their fun,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she was somebody else's responsibility. But Sophia is

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<v Speaker 1>with him, right, it has to be responsible for her

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a burden.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's like with Nina, he was

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<v Speaker 2>the absentee dad or the grandparent or the uncle, but with.

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<v Speaker 3>The fun, but with exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But with Sophia it's like, yeah, she's yours.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's a parent now.

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<v Speaker 2>And it didn't take long for her to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for him to be like, no, she cannot, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>giving her up.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm so glad they were able to orchestrate that,

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<v Speaker 1>because boy, did the other solution not sound promising.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like anytime a young person leaves this hotel, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go on huh right, even that young actress.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very glad that that Anna thought better of it

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<v Speaker 1>and taught her some tricks. Yeah, right, before she goes

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<v Speaker 1>off with whatever Skidy.

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<v Speaker 3>Fellas she goes off with.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, Anna taking on the motherly role in a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of ways that she didn't she didn't want to do,

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<v Speaker 2>but she did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>You identify the time of life and you're you're in

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<v Speaker 1>whether you want to be in that time or not,

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<v Speaker 1>and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Just go with it. It's so much easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of us have had that time where it's like wait, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, No right?

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<v Speaker 2>What? Yes? And we had Olga too, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>when's the last time you washed that child? Puts her

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<v Speaker 2>in the bathtub right away.

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<v Speaker 1>That was very sweet because she's she's been so sort

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<v Speaker 1>of disapproving of him, Yes, but has a soft heart

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<v Speaker 1>for lost little girls, apparently because it seems like she

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<v Speaker 1>possibly saved Anna at some point right from a less

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<v Speaker 1>promising fate.

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<v Speaker 3>So she turns out to be good?

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<v Speaker 2>And who was it? Was it? The It wasn't the manager.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it the manager of the hotel that she was

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<v Speaker 2>with in the bathtub? Oh? Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't tell. You knew it was somebody. We probably

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<v Speaker 3>should know who that was, but I couldn't. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think recognize him.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was. Yeah, I don't remember who.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was maybe some official of some sort,

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<v Speaker 1>but it surely was supposed to be somebody that we recognized.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it was a hotel person. Okay, it might

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<v Speaker 2>have been the manager, just because that scene where the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the orphanage lady came to pick up Sophia

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<v Speaker 2>and there was just that wonderful series of looks, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from Alexander to Anna to the manager, to the Minister

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<v Speaker 2>of Culture guy to like everybody. It was just beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's assume that the manager is getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little oohsome right exactly doesn't get them, doesn't get them

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<v Speaker 1>the sweet they want. But still, you know, there's only

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<v Speaker 1>so much a man can do.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, He's surrounded by weasels.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, like I feel like the second floor

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<v Speaker 2>suite is probably just as nice as the.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirtieth it's better than the twentieth floor suite to the

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<v Speaker 1>count is in. Yeah, but kudos to that actor who

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<v Speaker 1>plays the waiters slash assistant manager, because man, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of lines, but he just oozes yes,

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<v Speaker 1>loathsomeness right, quiet, officious loathsomeness.

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<v Speaker 2>And flustered fire at the end. Wait a minute, you

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<v Speaker 2>got played, sir? Still there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's going to be trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we got it.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta frame him for something and get him shipped

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<v Speaker 1>off someplace. As it is, he's just gonna be coming

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<v Speaker 1>back up like a bad penny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did appreciate the way we were talking last

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<v Speaker 1>week about Osip having his own surly teen and disapproving wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and that certainly informed his appearance in this episode. You know, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't read because of the kid, I too have

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps had that.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I get it, man, but do better, but just

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<v Speaker 3>for now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of a father to father moment, right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to, we have to be charitable with one

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<v Speaker 1>another in such situations. There's definitely a time in your

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<v Speaker 1>life when getting from one end of a book to

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<v Speaker 1>another is a monumental challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, especially especially when it's Anna Karenina or whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 2>because he started trying to read it so like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>not appropriate for like a five year old.

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<v Speaker 1>I read Anna Karenino when we were in Russia to

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<v Speaker 1>adopt our kids and we were like stuck in an

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<v Speaker 1>apartment and the adoption wasn't going through, but we weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to leave without them, right, and so we just

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<v Speaker 1>had this dead period sort of like you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>counts passed. Sure, we were just sort of stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>this apartment because we had no transport, independent transportation. We

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<v Speaker 1>just and so I thought, oh, this is what I'll do,

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<v Speaker 1>is I'll read this Russian book, this great Russian book,

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<v Speaker 1>and man.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it depressing longing to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get me out of this country now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I also.

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<v Speaker 1>Read Smellless Sense of Snow on that trip, which is

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<v Speaker 3>I did not fun vacation reading.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed to have brought myself like a suitcase full

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<v Speaker 1>of romances, mystery novels and no Anakar in it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Things that are yeah, resolved. I, well, that's what happened

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess the lady we were staying with and

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<v Speaker 2>And this is what in English?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was in English, I did sadly, I did

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to. We have people there who speak English,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would have been good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Alexander kind of being an adoptive parent here.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, with no no home steady because he never would

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<v Speaker 1>have passed one.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he doesn't even have a running water.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I guess he has.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he has water, but he doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately, though, he's got a better choice of babysitters than

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<v Speaker 1>Michael did on the island. Yes, he's got that going

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's basically got the whole hotel staff working for

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<v Speaker 2>him and mixed up for the weasel. Everybody else is

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<v Speaker 2>on his side, and and Olga and Anna. Yes, he's

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<v Speaker 2>assembling the quite the family for Sophia.

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<v Speaker 1>So he is, which is lovely and sort of what

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<v Speaker 1>the book slash show I imagine is about. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>make the worst of situations good people helping good people

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<v Speaker 1>and forming bonds and family. Yeah, good luck with that

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<v Speaker 1>until until the weasel comes for you, in which case

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<v Speaker 1>when your kids go off to be killed, right at

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<v Speaker 1>least at the moment until next week, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, next week, speaking of, we will discuss episode six

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<v Speaker 2>of A Gentleman in Moscow. It's titled the Fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yikes, well, we wonder does that mean possibly the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of the weasel for grace that I would enjoy?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it mean the fall of somebody off the roof?

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<v Speaker 1>That would not be good? It'll probably be something much

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<v Speaker 1>more tragic and heartbreaking than that.

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<v Speaker 2>We will find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, falling off the roof would be pretty much tragic, now, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the weasel take in a fall would not be heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Non fact yay, Maybe the elevator goes out

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody doesn't realize it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well, we'll see. So we'll do that next Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>and tomorrow we'll be back here for a discussion of Lost.

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