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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we're picking up where we left off

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<v Speaker 1>with the Jeffrey Epstein Grand Jerry Documents from Palm Beach. Dur.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you live now, Witness? I live in redacted,

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<v Speaker 1>jur Where Witness redacted dur Did you say that before

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<v Speaker 1>you lived up and redacted? Witness Yes, I moved to

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<v Speaker 1>redacted in July with my mother. Bellahovelik interjects, your mother,

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<v Speaker 1>your stepmother, and your father sent you up there to

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<v Speaker 1>get away from the activities down here. Witness No, I

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<v Speaker 1>move with my mom. When I was with my dad,

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<v Speaker 1>like after this all happened, my mom and dad were

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<v Speaker 1>arguing and I didn't like my dad anymore, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just felt like living back with my mom. So then

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<v Speaker 1>I moved in with my mom and that's when I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the family Center, like redacted is what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after that, my mom had planned on moving

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<v Speaker 1>to redacted. She's been planning for like two years before

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<v Speaker 1>any of this happened. And then they finally found a

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<v Speaker 1>house and redacted, so we moved and I move with them. Jur.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any idea deep down inside of you

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<v Speaker 1>that you what you're doing is wrong. Witness, Yeah, I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Jur Oh do you have you Witness Oh, I cut

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<v Speaker 1>off by the jur. Have you set the goals of

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<v Speaker 1>to not do it anymore? Witness, Yes, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked to any of those people since that day, jur.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're well aware that what you're doing to your

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<v Speaker 1>own reputation the witness, Yes, I do. And this part

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<v Speaker 1>right here, this exchange is absolutely wild. Bellohovelc should be

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<v Speaker 1>held accountable. And I mean yesterday, Bellehovelc, you aware that

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<v Speaker 1>you committed a crime. Witness, Now I am. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know it was a crime when I was doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know now, I guess it's prostitution or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. Let's be very very clear, Okay, a

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<v Speaker 1>child can't be a prostitute. So this whole entire line

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<v Speaker 1>of questioning, this whole entire bullshit nonsense that we see

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<v Speaker 1>from Bellehovlck is nothing but garbage. And she's doing this

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<v Speaker 1>to protect Jeffrey Epstein. Does anyone have any doubt? And

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<v Speaker 1>now especially go back and think about the NPA document

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<v Speaker 1>that we read and how much bullshit that was. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the OYG didn't find anything wrong with any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me a break. It was all to protect their asset,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein. And by the way, he wasn't Masad. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>go and stuff that bullshit too. The dude was an asset.

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<v Speaker 1>That means he was a free agent working for intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>agencies all over the place, including the Masad. But he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a MASAD agent. Get that through your skulls Bella havlick.

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<v Speaker 1>Any other questions the juror one more? You said you

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<v Speaker 1>worked at redacted? You were fourteen. You were working at redacted? Witness, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in redacted. That's when they like, first, let you work

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<v Speaker 1>when you're fourteen, jur okay, now your work. You're living

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<v Speaker 1>back now with your father. In the meantime, the witness

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<v Speaker 1>no audible response, Miss Bellahovlick. Anybody else in the front row,

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<v Speaker 1>second row, Yes, sir, dur You kept saying Jeffrey's assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know her name? Witness? No, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>she has blonde hair, that she was tall and skinny.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember her name, jur okay, bellohovelc. Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back row, jur yes, misredacted. Did you ever

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<v Speaker 1>go back to mister Epstein's on your own, the witness, No, Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, Jur. Did he ever contact you with your

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<v Speaker 1>cell phone? He never called you, the witness, No, because

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<v Speaker 1>I got my phone taken away, like the jur interrupts her,

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<v Speaker 1>Did you, Witness interrupts the jur right back right when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in trouble, Jur, did you ever feel that

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<v Speaker 1>his behavior was a little strange, Witness, That's what we

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<v Speaker 1>all joked about in the car, Dur. Yeah, but did

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<v Speaker 1>it ever occur to you that he could have hacked

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<v Speaker 1>you up? Witness? I now think about it, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things could have happened. I thought about it

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<v Speaker 1>a lot and a lot. Jur should give it a

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<v Speaker 1>little further thought, Witness. Different things could have happened. Bellohovelc

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<v Speaker 1>any other questions for misredacted? All right, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>The witness is excused. Now they're calling back Joseph Riccari

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<v Speaker 1>as a witness, Miss Dugan. I'll go ahead, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is for the record. This is Detective Joe Riccary. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to reswear you in. We'll just remind you

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<v Speaker 1>that you're under oath. Riccary, Okay, Dugan okay, Bellahovlick. Detective Raccari,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to the investigation before you took over.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still Detective Pegan. There is mention in her report

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<v Speaker 1>of trash pulls. What's a trash pull? Answer? A trash

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<v Speaker 1>pull is when you make arrangements with the supervisor of

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<v Speaker 1>sanitation to have the trash man go on to the property,

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<v Speaker 1>remove the trash and place it in the empty well

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<v Speaker 1>of a trash truck, and you follow him to a

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<v Speaker 1>different location than you retrieve the bags from the truck. Bellahovek.

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<v Speaker 1>How is it that you can take things off someone's

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<v Speaker 1>property without a search warrant in that way? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>permissible because it's been discarded? Answer, it's discarded, it's trash.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the truck. We just take possession of

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<v Speaker 1>it from the truck. Bellehovik Okay. April first, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five. Was there a trash pull at Jeffrey Epstein's house?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer correct? Bellhove Lik, Okay. Do you know what was

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<v Speaker 1>found when they examined the trash from his house? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Several messages with phone numbers written on it, with girls'

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<v Speaker 1>names and different messages. Question did any of the messages

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<v Speaker 1>that you've had a chance to look at, talk about

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<v Speaker 1>any of the girls you found out through your investigation

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<v Speaker 1>had gone to Jeffrey Epstein's house. Answer, that's correct. The

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<v Speaker 1>names and phone numbers were of girls that have gone

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<v Speaker 1>to the house and left little messages. I have girls

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<v Speaker 1>for him, you know, for a good time, call me

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<v Speaker 1>type of thing. Bellohovlk Okay. Was there a message indicating

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<v Speaker 1>that Redacted had an appointment in April? Answer yes, Bellehovec.

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<v Speaker 1>And what time did Redacted have an appointment in April?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer eleven am? Bellhove Lic, Okay. Do you know if

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Pagan had taken voicemails from Redacted's phone where Redacted

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<v Speaker 1>was confirmed meeting with redacted? Answer right, bellohovelc to go

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<v Speaker 1>there at eleven Answer there were controlled phone calls between

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<v Speaker 1>Redacted was making phone calls to redacted for us as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the investigation. Redacted made the appointment to bring

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<v Speaker 1>Redacted over at eleven am for April first, bellehove Lic,

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<v Speaker 1>But Redacted never went there? Answer no, Bellehovic Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>were there any messages indicating that someone name redacted or

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<v Speaker 1>someone nam redacted has appointments to go to mister Epstein's house.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yeah, there were several mentions of redacted and redacted Bellohovelk.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you able to identify who redacted and redacted were?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes, I did. Later on in the investigation, we

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that redacted was actually redacted redacted another redacted school

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<v Speaker 1>student who still attends and redacted was the other girl

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<v Speaker 1>that was frequenting Epstein's home Bellehovlc. How old was redacted

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<v Speaker 1>at that time? Answer? I believe she was sixteen, Bellhovlk.

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<v Speaker 1>And how old was redacted? Answer redacted. Through the investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>I found out she started going to the house when

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<v Speaker 1>she was sixteen or it just turned sixteen? Bellehovlc. And

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<v Speaker 1>how long of a time did she continue to go there?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer till she turned eighteen? Bellhovik. Okay. Was there a

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<v Speaker 1>trash pull on September twenty first of two thousand and five?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this is after you've taken over the investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer correct, Bellhovlk Okay, was there a trash pull that day?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes, bellohove Lik. Did you find anything interesting in

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<v Speaker 1>that trash pull? Answer I'm trying to get to Bellhovlk.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe page twenty four to twenty five of your report,

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<v Speaker 1>Page twenty four. Answer the date was September, Bellhovelek, September

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first answer Okay, yes, Bellhovlk. What did you find

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<v Speaker 1>in the trash pol Answer? I had notes with the

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<v Speaker 1>names redacted with her phone number as well as redacted

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<v Speaker 1>for a good time call redacted, and she's cut off.

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<v Speaker 1>He's cut off here by, Bellohovlk. Were you able to

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<v Speaker 1>identify redactive? Answer yes, Bellhovlk. Who is redacted? Answer? Redacted

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<v Speaker 1>is redacted? Bellohovek. And what about redacted? Were you able

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<v Speaker 1>to identify redacted? Answer yes? Through the investigation, I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to find out that redacted is actually redacted, Bellhovelk.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you spell redacted? Answer redacted, Bellhovek. And how old

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<v Speaker 1>was she at the time? Answer seventeen, bellhove Lik. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Another trash pull occurred on October third, two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer correct, Bellohovek. Anything interesting found in that trash pull?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer October third? What page are you on, Bellhovlc Page

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six. Page twenty six is a report dictated by

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Krohl. Answer Curtis Krohl. Correct, Bellhovek okay. Answer, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why bellohovlc in there. He indicates in the trash pull

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<v Speaker 1>they located a hard plastic or clear acrylic stick which

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<v Speaker 1>was shaped with small ridges. This device is commonly used

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<v Speaker 1>as a second toy which is inserted into the vagina

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<v Speaker 1>or aenus for stimulation. Was that type of item actually found?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer on the device was actually found, but later on

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<v Speaker 1>in the search warrant, it was discovered that it was

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<v Speaker 1>actually the handle of the He's cut off here by

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<v Speaker 1>bellohove lic for the silverware. He goes on to answer

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<v Speaker 1>for forks, for forks and knives. Bellohovik, okay, So it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't something we would call a vibrator or a dildo.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer no, bellohove Lik, Okay. It appeared that way to him,

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<v Speaker 1>but you were able to confirm later it was not.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer right, Bellehovik, okay. All right. You are aware from

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<v Speaker 1>your investigation and talking to Detective Pegan that redacted said

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<v Speaker 1>she was initiated into going to Jeffrey Epstein's house by

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<v Speaker 1>someone name or redacted. Answer correct, BELLOHOVLC. Were you ever

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<v Speaker 1>able to talk to or redacted? Answer? Yes, I did,

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<v Speaker 1>bellohovec When was that? Answer October third, two thousand and five. Bellhovec.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did that take place? Answer Sergeant Frick and I

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<v Speaker 1>went to her house out and redacted knocked on the

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<v Speaker 1>for further questioning. Reference this investigation, Bellhovic. How old was

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<v Speaker 1>she redacted? Answer? Redacted had just graduated from high school

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<v Speaker 1>from redacted school? Bellhovlk Okay. Was she a minor at

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<v Speaker 1>the time or an adult? Do you recall? Answer well,

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<v Speaker 1>in at the time, she would have been an adult, bellohovlk.

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<v Speaker 1>When and to this She's cut off by Racari at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the interview, Bellohovlc. When you talk to her? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Did she talk to you that day at her house?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer no, she came back with us to the police

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<v Speaker 1>department for further questioning, bellohove Lic. She was uncomfortable talking

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<v Speaker 1>at her house. She told you she wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>it somewhere else. Answer no, we just I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go over the documents that I didn't have with me

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<v Speaker 1>with her, Bellehovlc Okay. Answer at the then he's cut

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<v Speaker 1>off again by BELLOHOVLC. So when did she come to

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<v Speaker 1>the police department. Answer that same day, Bellahovlik, what did

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<v Speaker 1>radakta tell you? Answer? During sworn tape statement, she stated

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<v Speaker 1>that she became in contact with mister Jeffrey Epstein when

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<v Speaker 1>she was seventeen, when she was approached by a friend

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<v Speaker 1>with an opportunity to make money. She was taken to

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's residence. She was told that she would have to

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<v Speaker 1>provide a massage and she'd make two hundred bucks. She

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<v Speaker 1>was taken to the house. She was introduced to his

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's assistant by the name of Sarah. Sarah then would

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<v Speaker 1>escort her upstairs prepare the room for the massage by

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<v Speaker 1>putting out the ointments and the different oils. Mister Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>came into the room. He demanded she removed her clothing.

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<v Speaker 1>She did so. She started giving the massage, rubbing his back,

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<v Speaker 1>She said, I'm uncomfortable with you touching me. I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you the massage, but I'm uncomfortable with you touching me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at which time he said, I know you're

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<v Speaker 1>on com comfortable if you bring me girls, I will

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<v Speaker 1>pay you to bring me the girls. Bellehove Lic. So

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't make her do anything she was uncomfortable with.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer right, Bellehovec. Okay, how did she indicate that she

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<v Speaker 1>first met anybody that knew Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? She was

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<v Speaker 1>approached by one of her friends and redacted by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of redacted unknown last name. I was never. He's

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<v Speaker 1>interrupted here by Bellehovlc. You never, then, he interrupts her,

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<v Speaker 1>able to identify BELLOHOVLC then says determined. Then he responds

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<v Speaker 1>who redacted was? Who actually took her to Ebstein's house

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<v Speaker 1>and introduced her into the household. Bellehovec Okay, you were

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<v Speaker 1>able to determine the approximate date when she met this

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<v Speaker 1>redacted who took her to Ebstein's house? Answer? Sometime when

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<v Speaker 1>she turns seventeen? She told me, Bellehovelc Okay, so she

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<v Speaker 1>was seventeen when she first went there. Answer mm hmm, Bellehovlc,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. When he talked to her about bringing other

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<v Speaker 1>girls to him, since she's uncomfortable, what was her response

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<v Speaker 1>to him? Answer? She agreed to bring other girls to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he told her the younger the better. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna wrap up this episode here, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode we're gonna pick up where are we left off.

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