Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Speaker 1: In this episode, we're picking up where we left off
Speaker 1: with the Jeffrey Epstein Grand Jerry Documents from Palm Beach. Dur.
Speaker 1: Where do you live now, Witness? I live in redacted,
Speaker 1: jur Where Witness redacted dur Did you say that before
Speaker 1: you lived up and redacted? Witness Yes, I moved to
Speaker 1: redacted in July with my mother. Bellahovelik interjects, your mother,
Speaker 1: your stepmother, and your father sent you up there to
Speaker 1: get away from the activities down here. Witness No, I
Speaker 1: move with my mom. When I was with my dad,
Speaker 1: like after this all happened, my mom and dad were
Speaker 1: arguing and I didn't like my dad anymore, and I
Speaker 1: just felt like living back with my mom. So then
Speaker 1: I moved in with my mom and that's when I
Speaker 1: went to the family Center, like redacted is what it's called.
Speaker 1: And then after that, my mom had planned on moving
Speaker 1: to redacted. She's been planning for like two years before
Speaker 1: any of this happened. And then they finally found a
Speaker 1: house and redacted, so we moved and I move with them. Jur.
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea deep down inside of you
Speaker 1: that you what you're doing is wrong. Witness, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: Jur Oh do you have you Witness Oh, I cut
Speaker 1: off by the jur. Have you set the goals of
Speaker 1: to not do it anymore? Witness, Yes, I don't. I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to any of those people since that day, jur.
Speaker 1: And you're well aware that what you're doing to your
Speaker 1: own reputation the witness, Yes, I do. And this part
Speaker 1: right here, this exchange is absolutely wild. Bellohovelc should be
Speaker 1: held accountable. And I mean yesterday, Bellehovelc, you aware that
Speaker 1: you committed a crime. Witness, Now I am. I didn't
Speaker 1: know it was a crime when I was doing it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know now, I guess it's prostitution or
Speaker 1: something like that. Let's be very very clear, Okay, a
Speaker 1: child can't be a prostitute. So this whole entire line
Speaker 1: of questioning, this whole entire bullshit nonsense that we see
Speaker 1: from Bellehovlck is nothing but garbage. And she's doing this
Speaker 1: to protect Jeffrey Epstein. Does anyone have any doubt? And
Speaker 1: now especially go back and think about the NPA document
Speaker 1: that we read and how much bullshit that was. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the OYG didn't find anything wrong with any of this.
Speaker 1: Give me a break. It was all to protect their asset,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And by the way, he wasn't Masad. Okay,
Speaker 1: go and stuff that bullshit too. The dude was an asset.
Speaker 1: That means he was a free agent working for intelligence
Speaker 1: agencies all over the place, including the Masad. But he
Speaker 1: wasn't a MASAD agent. Get that through your skulls Bella havlick.
Speaker 1: Any other questions the juror one more? You said you
Speaker 1: worked at redacted? You were fourteen. You were working at redacted? Witness, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in redacted. That's when they like, first, let you work
Speaker 1: when you're fourteen, jur okay, now your work. You're living
Speaker 1: back now with your father. In the meantime, the witness
Speaker 1: no audible response, Miss Bellahovlick. Anybody else in the front row,
Speaker 1: second row, Yes, sir, dur You kept saying Jeffrey's assistant.
Speaker 1: Do you know her name? Witness? No, I know that
Speaker 1: she has blonde hair, that she was tall and skinny.
Speaker 1: I don't remember her name, jur okay, bellohovelc. Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: In the back row, jur yes, misredacted. Did you ever
Speaker 1: go back to mister Epstein's on your own, the witness, No, Sir,
Speaker 1: I didn't, Jur. Did he ever contact you with your
Speaker 1: cell phone? He never called you, the witness, No, because
Speaker 1: I got my phone taken away, like the jur interrupts her,
Speaker 1: Did you, Witness interrupts the jur right back right when
Speaker 1: I was in trouble, Jur, did you ever feel that
Speaker 1: his behavior was a little strange, Witness, That's what we
Speaker 1: all joked about in the car, Dur. Yeah, but did
Speaker 1: it ever occur to you that he could have hacked
Speaker 1: you up? Witness? I now think about it, and a
Speaker 1: lot of things could have happened. I thought about it
Speaker 1: a lot and a lot. Jur should give it a
Speaker 1: little further thought, Witness. Different things could have happened. Bellohovelc
Speaker 1: any other questions for misredacted? All right, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: The witness is excused. Now they're calling back Joseph Riccari
Speaker 1: as a witness, Miss Dugan. I'll go ahead, and this
Speaker 1: is for the record. This is Detective Joe Riccary. I
Speaker 1: don't need to reswear you in. We'll just remind you
Speaker 1: that you're under oath. Riccary, Okay, Dugan okay, Bellahovlick. Detective Raccari,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the investigation before you took over.
Speaker 1: It's still Detective Pegan. There is mention in her report
Speaker 1: of trash pulls. What's a trash pull? Answer? A trash
Speaker 1: pull is when you make arrangements with the supervisor of
Speaker 1: sanitation to have the trash man go on to the property,
Speaker 1: remove the trash and place it in the empty well
Speaker 1: of a trash truck, and you follow him to a
Speaker 1: different location than you retrieve the bags from the truck. Bellahovek.
Speaker 1: How is it that you can take things off someone's
Speaker 1: property without a search warrant in that way? Is it
Speaker 1: permissible because it's been discarded? Answer, it's discarded, it's trash.
Speaker 1: It was in the truck. We just take possession of
Speaker 1: it from the truck. Bellehovik Okay. April first, two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. Was there a trash pull at Jeffrey Epstein's house?
Speaker 1: Answer correct? Bellhove Lik, Okay. Do you know what was
Speaker 1: found when they examined the trash from his house? Answer?
Speaker 1: Several messages with phone numbers written on it, with girls'
Speaker 1: names and different messages. Question did any of the messages
Speaker 1: that you've had a chance to look at, talk about
Speaker 1: any of the girls you found out through your investigation
Speaker 1: had gone to Jeffrey Epstein's house. Answer, that's correct. The
Speaker 1: names and phone numbers were of girls that have gone
Speaker 1: to the house and left little messages. I have girls
Speaker 1: for him, you know, for a good time, call me
Speaker 1: type of thing. Bellohovlk Okay. Was there a message indicating
Speaker 1: that Redacted had an appointment in April? Answer yes, Bellehovec.
Speaker 1: And what time did Redacted have an appointment in April?
Speaker 1: Answer eleven am? Bellhove Lic, Okay. Do you know if
Speaker 1: Detective Pagan had taken voicemails from Redacted's phone where Redacted
Speaker 1: was confirmed meeting with redacted? Answer right, bellohovelc to go
Speaker 1: there at eleven Answer there were controlled phone calls between
Speaker 1: Redacted was making phone calls to redacted for us as
Speaker 1: part of the investigation. Redacted made the appointment to bring
Speaker 1: Redacted over at eleven am for April first, bellehove Lic,
Speaker 1: But Redacted never went there? Answer no, Bellehovic Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: were there any messages indicating that someone name redacted or
Speaker 1: someone nam redacted has appointments to go to mister Epstein's house.
Speaker 1: Answer yeah, there were several mentions of redacted and redacted Bellohovelk.
Speaker 1: Were you able to identify who redacted and redacted were?
Speaker 1: Answer yes, I did. Later on in the investigation, we
Speaker 1: discovered that redacted was actually redacted redacted another redacted school
Speaker 1: student who still attends and redacted was the other girl
Speaker 1: that was frequenting Epstein's home Bellehovlc. How old was redacted
Speaker 1: at that time? Answer? I believe she was sixteen, Bellhovlk.
Speaker 1: And how old was redacted? Answer redacted. Through the investigation,
Speaker 1: I found out she started going to the house when
Speaker 1: she was sixteen or it just turned sixteen? Bellehovlc. And
Speaker 1: how long of a time did she continue to go there?
Speaker 1: Answer till she turned eighteen? Bellhovik. Okay. Was there a
Speaker 1: trash pull on September twenty first of two thousand and five?
Speaker 1: I guess this is after you've taken over the investigation.
Speaker 1: Answer correct, Bellhovlk Okay, was there a trash pull that day?
Speaker 1: Answer yes, bellohove Lik. Did you find anything interesting in
Speaker 1: that trash pull? Answer I'm trying to get to Bellhovlk.
Speaker 1: Maybe page twenty four to twenty five of your report,
Speaker 1: Page twenty four. Answer the date was September, Bellhovelek, September
Speaker 1: twenty first answer Okay, yes, Bellhovlk. What did you find
Speaker 1: in the trash pol Answer? I had notes with the
Speaker 1: names redacted with her phone number as well as redacted
Speaker 1: for a good time call redacted, and she's cut off.
Speaker 1: He's cut off here by, Bellohovlk. Were you able to
Speaker 1: identify redactive? Answer yes, Bellhovlk. Who is redacted? Answer? Redacted
Speaker 1: is redacted? Bellohovek. And what about redacted? Were you able
Speaker 1: to identify redacted? Answer yes? Through the investigation, I was
Speaker 1: able to find out that redacted is actually redacted, Bellhovelk.
Speaker 1: Can you spell redacted? Answer redacted, Bellhovek. And how old
Speaker 1: was she at the time? Answer seventeen, bellhove Lik. Okay.
Speaker 1: Another trash pull occurred on October third, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: Answer correct, Bellohovek. Anything interesting found in that trash pull?
Speaker 1: Answer October third? What page are you on, Bellhovlc Page
Speaker 1: twenty six. Page twenty six is a report dictated by
Speaker 1: Officer Krohl. Answer Curtis Krohl. Correct, Bellhovek okay. Answer, that's
Speaker 1: why bellohovlc in there. He indicates in the trash pull
Speaker 1: they located a hard plastic or clear acrylic stick which
Speaker 1: was shaped with small ridges. This device is commonly used
Speaker 1: as a second toy which is inserted into the vagina
Speaker 1: or aenus for stimulation. Was that type of item actually found?
Speaker 1: Answer on the device was actually found, but later on
Speaker 1: in the search warrant, it was discovered that it was
Speaker 1: actually the handle of the He's cut off here by
Speaker 1: bellohove lic for the silverware. He goes on to answer
Speaker 1: for forks, for forks and knives. Bellohovik, okay, So it
Speaker 1: wasn't something we would call a vibrator or a dildo.
Speaker 1: Answer no, bellohove Lik, Okay. It appeared that way to him,
Speaker 1: but you were able to confirm later it was not.
Speaker 1: Answer right, Bellehovik, okay. All right. You are aware from
Speaker 1: your investigation and talking to Detective Pegan that redacted said
Speaker 1: she was initiated into going to Jeffrey Epstein's house by
Speaker 1: someone name or redacted. Answer correct, BELLOHOVLC. Were you ever
Speaker 1: able to talk to or redacted? Answer? Yes, I did,
Speaker 1: bellohovec When was that? Answer October third, two thousand and five. Bellhovec.
Speaker 1: Where did that take place? Answer Sergeant Frick and I
Speaker 1: went to her house out and redacted knocked on the
Speaker 1: door and asked her to come back to the station
Speaker 1: for further questioning. Reference this investigation, Bellhovic. How old was
Speaker 1: she redacted? Answer? Redacted had just graduated from high school
Speaker 1: from redacted school? Bellhovlk Okay. Was she a minor at
Speaker 1: the time or an adult? Do you recall? Answer well,
Speaker 1: in at the time, she would have been an adult, bellohovlk.
Speaker 1: When and to this She's cut off by Racari at
Speaker 1: the time of the interview, Bellohovlc. When you talk to her? Okay?
Speaker 1: Did she talk to you that day at her house?
Speaker 1: Answer no, she came back with us to the police
Speaker 1: department for further questioning, bellohove Lic. She was uncomfortable talking
Speaker 1: at her house. She told you she wanted to do
Speaker 1: it somewhere else. Answer no, we just I wanted to
Speaker 1: go over the documents that I didn't have with me
Speaker 1: with her, Bellehovlc Okay. Answer at the then he's cut
Speaker 1: off again by BELLOHOVLC. So when did she come to
Speaker 1: the police department. Answer that same day, Bellahovlik, what did
Speaker 1: radakta tell you? Answer? During sworn tape statement, she stated
Speaker 1: that she became in contact with mister Jeffrey Epstein when
Speaker 1: she was seventeen, when she was approached by a friend
Speaker 1: with an opportunity to make money. She was taken to
Speaker 1: Epstein's residence. She was told that she would have to
Speaker 1: provide a massage and she'd make two hundred bucks. She
Speaker 1: was taken to the house. She was introduced to his
Speaker 1: Epstein's assistant by the name of Sarah. Sarah then would
Speaker 1: escort her upstairs prepare the room for the massage by
Speaker 1: putting out the ointments and the different oils. Mister Epstein
Speaker 1: came into the room. He demanded she removed her clothing.
Speaker 1: She did so. She started giving the massage, rubbing his back,
Speaker 1: his calves, his thighs. He turned onto his back, asked
Speaker 1: her to rub his chest. As he did so, he
Speaker 1: tried to touch her, touch her buttox. She pulled away.
Speaker 1: She said, I'm uncomfortable with you touching me. I'll give
Speaker 1: you the massage, but I'm uncomfortable with you touching me.
Speaker 1: It was at which time he said, I know you're
Speaker 1: on com comfortable if you bring me girls, I will
Speaker 1: pay you to bring me the girls. Bellehove Lic. So
Speaker 1: he didn't make her do anything she was uncomfortable with.
Speaker 1: Answer right, Bellehovec. Okay, how did she indicate that she
Speaker 1: first met anybody that knew Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? She was
Speaker 1: approached by one of her friends and redacted by the
Speaker 1: name of redacted unknown last name. I was never. He's
Speaker 1: interrupted here by Bellehovlc. You never, then, he interrupts her,
Speaker 1: able to identify BELLOHOVLC then says determined. Then he responds
Speaker 1: who redacted was? Who actually took her to Ebstein's house
Speaker 1: and introduced her into the household. Bellehovec Okay, you were
Speaker 1: able to determine the approximate date when she met this
Speaker 1: redacted who took her to Ebstein's house? Answer? Sometime when
Speaker 1: she turns seventeen? She told me, Bellehovelc Okay, so she
Speaker 1: was seventeen when she first went there. Answer mm hmm, Bellehovlc,
Speaker 1: all right. When he talked to her about bringing other
Speaker 1: girls to him, since she's uncomfortable, what was her response
Speaker 1: to him? Answer? She agreed to bring other girls to him,
Speaker 1: and he told her the younger the better. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up this episode here, and in the
Speaker 1: next episode we're gonna pick up where are we left off.
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