Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Sikos, I am Dan for Valley,
coming at you with the certifiably fantabulous mister Grant Hughes.
The first round of the NBA Draft is officially over.
Had to check that because we almost jumped on before
it started. Because I actually, Grant, I beat my deadline.
I filed like five minutes early, base on what I
was gonna do. Us kind of leap of faith that
nothing was gonna happen spectacular in the final five picks
of the draft. But look at me beating deadlines. We're
here for one of my favorite pastimes. Now it's and
we've also got a Yannis trade to get to, other trades,
transactions to get to We'll get to all of it.
But this is our twenty twenty six NBA Draft blind reaction,
where Grant heroically agrees to abstain from consuming or looking at,
or following any piece of draft content. In the first round.
He has no idea who was selected, who went where,
will go through the greatest hits and he will just
try and guess who went where or if something happened.
I have to say before we start, Grant, you were
the one that pitched this a couple of years ago,
and I was I was open to trying it, but
wasn't sure like how it would go with us doing it,
it was so much fun. And so when I circle
back to you this year for what is now our
third annual blind every a draft reaction, you seem less
than enthused about it. You were like, does this really work?
And so now here we are, I'm trying to sell
you on your baby. This is your bill.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a tradition unlike any other. It's year three,
gone strong, check the check the comments, be rich favorite gimmick. Yeah,
I it is. So I worried a little bit that,
like one, it's also pretty transparently a way for me
to be lazy, uh and and to check out of
like being on my phone or in front of a
screen or keeping up with anything for several hours on
a day when, like you know, someone in our line
of work probably should be paying attention. It's a real
luxury that I don't have to. So I was a
little concerned that like just trying to do some self
as like, am I just using this as an excuse
to be lazy? Jury's still out. I don't know. I
do enjoy doing it. I just I was just a
little worried that maybe, like I don't know if this
bit works, I don't know if I don't know what
their true motivation is. I'm still asking those questions. But
I'm excited to do this because I know it gives
you joy, and I do. I do like coming in
with like it's like every year I say this, like
I know less about these prospects than in any previous year.
I feel like we were talking off air and like
I got you know, but still more than ninety nine
percent of the normal human population. But like, if you're
listening to this, there's a good chance you've watched more
tape on Keaton Woggler or Wagler. We also had a
discussion about I'm not I've heard it pronounce both ways.
I don't know the answer. I have watched a heck
of a lot of tape on him, So that's not
really what's more interesting is like, Okay, we know what
all these teams need, what they've been like looking to acquire,
what their weaknesses are, what they're trying to be like
on the competitive spectrum. And then it's then so like
if you do feel like it's interesting to think about
the picks from that perspective. So, you know, hopefully we'll
I will, I know you will. I hope I will
also provide some useful information.
Speaker 1: We'll see you will, And it's just great. This is
also that's why you go to hardwood Patreon dot com
slash Hardware knocks NBA because Grant is willing to debase
himself right for free mostly but also why don't you
become a PEG member as well?
Speaker 2: I'd rather do it for a fee.
Speaker 1: Right, So let's start with the number one pick, which
you know, we all know who that was owned by
Jabell Grant, who had the number one pick.
Speaker 2: The team that believes in Trey Young, like nobody believes
and anybody, all right, so they I assume they took
aj Debonsa.
Speaker 1: You would be correct. O Debonsa went number one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how are you feeling about that? That felt like consensus? Uh,
it's I would have been a little concerned. I guess, like,
I hate that you have to view it through this lens,
but like, okay, so they're committed to Trey Young on
the biggest not not technically the biggest money they could have,
but like close enough to there being no real difference. Uh,
and maybe Peterson would have been a slightly not perfect
fit there. Demonsa is just he's a big wing. That's
a different position. H I From what I can tell,
that's a dude that wants the ball and his best
with the ball a lot.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I need to interger your band from
the comments because we already have spoilers in the comments.
Speaker 2: I was, I saw, I saw that, but I was
gonna pay I was that was gonna be my guess anyway.
Speaker 1: But you're officially banned from looking at the comments. Oh
should I?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, Actually, let me close it. I'll
just pull the private chat up in that window so
I can't see anything perfect. Uh, Okay, yeah, I don't know.
I think that was the in so far as there's
a right pick. Knowing as little as I know, Demanza
felt like just like they had to do that right.
I think I think that made the most sense unless
you're going superstat heavy. And just like the undeniable Boozer
numbers in college and how those always translate, I get
I would have been more shocked if it had been
Peterson than Boozer. I'm but I can't see the comments.
You're good car, you don't need to.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. The only thing that you I think
you could have twisted yourself into a pretzel is that
because they invested, you should never draft for fit with
number one, just to be clear. But with Trey Young
there and then having Anthony Davis, Alex Sr. Black cool
Bali is one of your wings, the spacing's a little iffier.
So would you have preferred someone like Darren Peterson who
played off the ball a lot at Kansas this past
year and looks like he could do a lot of
the on ball stuff. But maybe my grade out is
a more lethal shooter. But I just think this Wizard's team,
if you look at them, look at their primary players,
they don't have anyone, I would say, who can consistently
generate rim pressure themselves like Anthony Davis on the role. Sure,
it just wants an averaged eight and a half free
throw attempts per game last year, and so that's just
like the money. And I think his floor out of
his ceiling. I've seen Tracy McGrady as like one of
the one of the better comps I've seen like his
floor being a Brandon Miller, which if that's his floor,
sign me up. So I'm just curious to see how
he comes in and adjust to what I can only
assume is going to be a lower usage role alongside
Trey n a d That's my big question here.
Speaker 2: That's that's a huge worry I think. I mean, that's
we're not here to really talk about this aspect of it.
But Trey, like he dominates the ball like few guys.
He gets the assists numbers, but like it's not you know,
those good even the best versions of those Hawks offenses
ran through one dude. And so I think that that
is a concern for literally anybody that that could have
been picked here is will that And like maybe it
doesn't matter a rookie year because basically nobody's good as
a rookie, especially in a high usage role. But I
just from a developmental standpoint, I don't we gotta leave
it alone. I'm just gonna shot on the Trey Young signing.
Speaker 1: Well it's I think, well, and we're gonna talk about
the Trey Young signing at the end of all this.
But I do think what could help is that if
Trey's willing to maybe get off the ball a little
bit quicker. There's something to it, at least in my
mind of if your role is streamlined for aj Debontcea
or even you look at an Anthony Davis or just
some of these other guys Alex are Trey Young could
be someone who provides you an offensive lift and makes
you more efficient and allows you to grow into a role.
But I do think it's gonna take some material evolution
on Trey. I honestly, I think Trey has become a
little underrated, just the way that people or I would
not have paid him what they paid him. We'll get
into it later, but I think that as a playmaker,
as a guy who can set up shots, draw attention
when he gets into the lane. If you need someone
to work within confined spaces, when you look at some
of these lineups, Washington might be running out. I think
he could be helpful. But I also believe you could
put a bunch of other guy Not that the Wizards
could have gotten these guys, but you could put a
bunch of other floor general types in here and feel
way better about it than having Trey Young there.
Speaker 2: For sure. Yeah, I'm not optimistic. You could be right.
There are ways for this to work, but I would
like to I would like to log my second correct
pick in a row, because one it's been spoiled and
two this was it had to be Darren Peterson number
two correct.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you knew this, but good job
by you. One hundred percent hit rate through two picks.
Speaker 2: Pretty good. Uh what do we think about him and
Keyonte George together? And what do we make of what
this lineup's gonna look like? We still have Walker Kessler
presumably coming back, but I don't know like that that
may not be. But how do you feel about his fit? Uh?
Speaker 1: In Utah? This feels like a cleaner fit to me.
Then had they got aj Debantsa And I think that
part of it was, oh he went to BYU, they're
gonna want to trade up and get him or hope
that he falls. I'm not saying he would have been
a bad fit, but when you look at what Darren
Peterson did off the ball this year at Kansas and
then knowing that maybe he can toggle back to high
school and be more on the ball, get to the
like if you watch the way he moves, he really
does remind me a lot of Anthony Davis. When he
is anti excuse me, Anthony Edwards when he's on the.
Speaker 2: Ball, he's leaner though right, like he's not Edwards was
a little like more of a forceful athlete, was my recollection.
I'm just trying to poke holes.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. It's tough because I don't remember.
I'm thinking of Anthony Edwards right now, who's kind of
just built like a two guard tank a little bit,
and so it's just he's definitely.
Speaker 2: Not ye, he wasn't always that way. Yeah, what I sorry?
What I what appeals to me about Peterson is of
the limited prep I did, is like the the idea
of like maybe best shooter in the class kept coming up,
and so like, all right, well then I'm good that
could play anywhere. And then the other thing that came
up was what you mentioned is like the the shock
creation for others was not there in college. But if
you watch his high school tape, everybody would everybody I
listened to would say that, and it's like, this dude
can like he could be a number one create for yourself,
another type guy that's more on what I'm oh, well,
what's that mean? For Keante George? I thought he was
the whole reason we fast tracked this thing. I mean,
a major reason that they fast tracked this thing. But
if Peterson is the level of shooter that some people
think he is, then I sort of don't have any
concerns anymore.
Speaker 1: Does that?
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I think, honestly not that a AJ probably
shouldn't have done this, even though he his defense feels
very assignment based. Is what a lot of people pointed out.
And if you watch the lack of defensive playmaking from
the ban, say is Yeah, for someone with that size,
it's awkward, but he he almost this might be a
terrible undup. But he reminds me of Klay Thompson. Whereas
you tell Klay Thompson will shut down that guy, I
think that he could do it, even if he needs
to navigate screens to get it done. But with Peterson,
I think that if you're worried about Kenante George defending
the other team's best guard, Peterson at his peak or
near his peak, I think can do that no problem.
Whether whether he's that player consistently remains to be seen.
I know Kanta George got a little bit better or
got better defensively this past year. But to have Peterson
there as that backstop or that primary, I think they
can work well together. I do wonder though, if this
makes it less likely that Keante George gets an extension
because Utah wants to see what that partnership looks like,
and they're also gonna have to navigate. It would have
been way weirder with Debansa in Utah. There's gonna be
some functional friction just with Ace Bailey, Darren Peterson, Keante George,
Larry Market and Jaron Jackson Junior. If Walker Kesler comes back,
you effect to me, I look at that as well.
You have six starters, long term starters on your team,
so how do you navigate that? But the fit feels
more intuitive, and it's not they didn't choose Peterson or
Demands a hero. He was just the guy that was there.
So I think with the shooting and what I think
he'll be able to do for them defensively, this is
it's gonna be a great And honestly, when you look
at the contensus four picks, you couldn't like, why would
you pick Boozer or even Kleble. You have Larry Markin
and Jaron Jackson Jr. So never mind Walker Kesler, but like,
why are you picking one of those other two guys?
Speaker 2: What do you think this means for Cody Williams.
Speaker 1: I think that he'll probably win most in Roof Player
and begin his MVP treck as early as twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Actual perfect. Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say.
Speaker 1: Who had the third pick? Did they trade itt? Uh?
Speaker 2: This is you're trying to trick me. Uh No, the
Memphis Grizzlies with the number three pick select Can Boozer.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the people that rely on the analytics
are like, this guy's the number one player in this draft,
and it's not close. You know, it's and and I
have to say, like when we talked in passing about him,
I don't know a week ago, I was kind of
like everything I hear, I just kind of hate it.
I just like, not athletic enough, cannot score against like
sized players. But then the other stuff you hear, put
the put the numbers aside, like you might just he
might have been the correct number one pick if you
just trust the if you just trust it was Oh,
I mean, I just Cody Williams is right there. I
have to break it out. Uh, Like, there's a case
to be made that Boozer should have gone first, just
because guys like with his like statistical translations from college
that are that productive at at that age. By the way,
he's the youngest of the consensus top four by like
by a year almost. I think those guys like don't fail.
It was hard for me to just trust the numbers
with like some of the physical profile stuff. But then
it's like you also hear about the incredible like court
mapping he does, Like maybe he's this pick and roll spammer,
Like how like me, the shot might be there. Maybe
he's like Kevin Love is a floor or like you know.
Then I'm kind of so I'm definitely off of the
I just don't see how it could work train, which
I was on for a minute. So I think this
is the right pick. It is possible he's the best
player in this draft.
Speaker 1: I didn't see this. This is funny. Character says, let's
go redacted. Pete also said I think Jake Fisher actually
ran shams off Twitter tonight with the scoops. Jake Fisher
was so I don't know, he had some iffy Jared
McCain stuff, back in the day when he was reported that.
But he he must have had Sham so shook that.
Sham's excuse me, just tweeted the same thing like five
times before we jumped on basically, so Schams was shook.
But yeah, So we had had that conversation that you mentioned.
So I went and before we I talked with Jonathan Wasserman.
I was watching as much of like digesting as much
of these prospects as I could. Maybe I was going
into it with such a low opinion of Cambouse that
I came away blown away, And so I said, I
understand all the concerns, but I think anyone who's trying
to and I know that you're we're kind of forced
to give comps now, but anyone who's trying to pin
him down to a singular offensive player, it's just not
gonna work because I don't know that I've ever seen
anything like this, and it's just his the effort, like
the low effort ability of him to be able to
run picking rolls is the like just the initiator as
a I know he's six' nine and so it's, oh
we've seen six nine point forwards, before but he just
looks like a big and So i'm not a big
fan of these like pure, fours AND i think that's
really what he. Is he can't can't play the, three
and he probably can't play the. Five you need to
be in a very like maybe an Okayc, basically.
Speaker 2: Well it just doesn't sound like he's he can defend
the rim LIKE i just unless you just become the
greatest positional defender of all time like you. Just BUT
i just physically he does not have the tools to
be a backline. ANCHOR i feel confident with.
Speaker 1: That but part of, defense and what do we say
this About jokic is that ending possessions is. Valuable sure
he does that on age class and we're now at
a point where how many teams are trying to win
the possession. Battle his offensive rebounding is gonna be uh
is gonna be. Critical and That karagan, said this is
the ONE i brought UP i think to was was
he reminds me of just like a less athletic Peak
Blake griffin In. Detroit but even he's more fluid on the.
Speaker 2: BALL i think he's a better decision, maker like he's
a more natural like he Just i've used. THIS i
can't remember like which PLAYERS i have misapplied this, to
but it's probably like he he's like a he's a
correct decision, Factory like just like when he gets the,
ball it goes where it's supposed to, immediately and and
that kind of like unteachable. Field maybe it's. TEACHABLE i don't.
Know he's like the son of AN nba, player so
he's probably had great. Teachers but whatever it.
Speaker 1: Is like you didn't see, this by the, Way Carlos
boozer just being so he looked so. Overjoyed it was
just one of those moments where it's like that is freaking.
Cool that was just. Great his smile was like he
might still be like it might just beat his face of.
Structure now he was smiling so so.
Speaker 2: Wide so the whatever that is that he has the
feel court, mapping, anticipating good antisip whatever it, is like
he's just a basketball player like that thing coupled with the,
youth like he is young for the, class LIKE i
you can kind of trust him more than you would
others to like figure it. OUT i would, say like
to overcome the. Limitation there are real, Limitations like there's
just no getting around that but BUT i do think
if you're gonna bet on someone to sort it, out
you may be bet on this guy who also like
could not have been more statistically, dominant like you, know
at the level the highest level he was allowed to
play at at the, Time so like that stuff just.
Counts he's gonna be one of the most one of
the players in this. Class i'm most interested to, watch
just because there's so many like polarizing pluses and, minuses
LIKE i just don't know how it's all gonna.
Speaker 1: Work and what's, interesting he ended up in a good
spot if Zach edy is healthy to have him as
sort of that backstopper and. Protector but the problem then
is that might be one of the least mobile switcher
front courts in THE nba right. Now and So i'm
curious to see How boozer. Does there's no, oh he's
gonna be stashed on the pick or something like you're
just you. Can't you can't do that at least in
their core. Lineup So i'm gonna be watching. That but
Zak edy is, healthy he also does do a lot
of what Like Cam boozer is not like just protect
the rim on the defensive end is, huge and that
you might there might be some stretch To zach and
so could You you could easily run like like Camp
busher could run a pick and roll With Cedric coward
Or Jalen wells or who's ever playing guard While Zach
edy is. Spacing so there's just all these options For
memphis offense. Now But i'm with.
Speaker 3: YOU i.
Speaker 1: Came maybe it's because we our opinion of him though
was led to be so low at the, beginning BUT i,
Came i'm really, Yeah i'm with, you but one more polarizing,
Prospects BUT i think he's gonna be really. Good. Yeah
who had number who had a number? Four who ended
up with a number four? Pick Grant, well The bulls had.
Speaker 2: It i'm gonna assume they kept it by correct, there
And i'm gonna say they Picked Caleb. Wilson this will
be the last pick THAT i feel remotely confident about they.
Speaker 1: Did you were spot on there that Was do you
think that who had the easier? Decision memphis Or?
Speaker 2: Chicago, HONESTLY i Think. Memphis uh, well, NO i see
what you're. Saying everybody and their mother thought this was
the top. FOUR i think based on my cursory. RESEARCH
i just sort of. DON'T i think there was a
drop off at. Three and Maybe wilson should be in
a tier by himself just because the next tier of
players are all or most of them are like similar
or same. Position BUT I i. DON'T i don't totally Get,
wilson like from What i've heard and seen and read
as like AN nba, PLAYER i don't because there's not
a lot of like he's not expected to be able
to shoot necessarily, right and he's hyper. Athletic seems like
a four that's not a five or a. Three H
AND i just don't know what you do with that.
Guy and and just, anecdotally players THAT i when you're
describing his qualities that come to mind are like real
bust like hyper athletic fours that like don't that are
kind of neither here nor, there like Like Tyrus thomas
or like The Stromile, swift like those guys to go
back a long. Way but like WHEN i was Hearing
Caleb wilson's skill set described BEFORE i watched, him those
two guys came to mind, Immediately AND i just. Don't
i'm Sure i'm like way off base or like mostly.
Oversimplifying i'm not surprised he was the pick, here BUT
i was never as high on him as as As
boozer or either the top.
Speaker 1: Two, yeah that's WHY i Think memphis probably actually had
the easier, decision Because Kayla wilson was number six on
my personal big board that everyone should take as. Gospel
but when you do watch, him there's a real passing
you could call, it like right decision making factory guy
that's there for. Him and, DEFENSIVELY i think he has
the ability to actually play some five but also to
just be as dominant on defense as like A Scottie.
Barnes it's funny the two of the, Player the two
players THAT i came away thinking about WHEN i was
watching him Was Calin Murray boyles And Scottie. Barnes and
so that player has a lot of offensive, holes of,
course and SO i think the the swing with him
is going to, Be, yes there's the jump, shot but
if he can't do, that it's, well then how many
minutes can he log at the? Five AND i think
that he has enough just like not just forget the
athleticism and the tools and the speed it which he,
plays BUT i think that he just has enough to get.
By maybe not as a perma, five but if that
was to be one of your like core lineups him
featuring a, FIVE i THINK i think.
Speaker 2: He'll be able to do, it or at least he's
viable somewhere other than the, four which is like a
non position almost, now Then I'M I i would retract.
Speaker 1: Some of WHAT i. Said The Tyres thomas slander will
will not. STAND i don't know what, LIKE i offensively
like you want to have good spacing around, him, though
and so if you want to play him at the,
FOUR I i don't know that you need a stretch,
five like he either needs to develop a jump shot
or if he's, not then he might need to play.
It because if you play him with a traditional, five
if you chopped him Into toronto right now and made
him play with YAKA, PERTL i think you're gonna have real.
Speaker 2: Issues, yeah, okay if There's Scottie barnes, upside THEN i, defensively.
Speaker 1: Defensively, yeah BECAUSE i Think Scotty barnes came in and
they were like it felt we felt BETTER i think
at the time about his. Handle if we didn't feel
good about his but there's like this is SO i
don't think he needs to just be in space to
make passing the Cab. BOLSON i, mean and so can
he run a half court? Offense, NO i don't think
that's gonna be his bag, either. Though all, right this
is where the draft starts get, interesting, Right but? WHO
i think the first question is who had the fifth?
Speaker 2: Pick, okay, yeah so The clippers could have traded. It
i'm GONNA i feel Like i'm just going off the
vibe of when we first signed on. Here you didn't
look to me like a guy that had just witnessed
the top five pick get. Traded So i'm gonna go
with The. CLIPPERS i don't know what that. Means it
looks surprised enough The clippers kept. It, okay you got that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah all? Right so this is this is where we
get into the like how many are? There? One? There There's,
Flemings woggler Or. Waggler jury's out a. Cuff your, boy your,
Guy Michael Brown. Junior WHO i assume you had fifth
on your board BECAUSE i remember you saying you liked.
Him he was actually ahead Of boozer UNTIL i went.
Watched so it fell to me Like i'm Gonna i'm
gonna Go Keaton. Woggler If woggler sounds, Wrong i'm gonna
Say waggler and correct me. Somebody you got. It you're.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i don't know if you pronounced it, right but
you were.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah SO i GUESS I I i this is
WHERE i have to just plead. Ignorance LIKE i understand
that the you, know depending on your, perspective any of
like four or five of the of the available like
lead guard types could have gone. Here did you watch
much tape on him or when you talk to was
did you get a sense of like what what is
the what's the defining if The clippers made the correct pick? Here?
Why like what was it about him that justified?
Speaker 1: IT i think that he is this bigger guard who
can run your offense or play Alongside Darius, Garland and
so it's not that not that you should have made
this pick or Or Woggler.
Speaker 2: FAUREOLER.
Speaker 1: I SO i think that's a big, deal AND i
feel the only, reason not the only, reason BUT i
as a shot, creator as someone who's probably gonna be
able to score from every level but also doesn't need the.
Ball i'm not saying if he needed to be on,
ball That Darius garland needs to reshape your decision. Here
but the fact that he can slide in play With,
kawhi play With Darius, garland you don't have to allocate
him a certain number of. Touches BUT i also think
maybe he can come in right, away and is he
gonna run a lot of your second. UNITS i have
questions about him on. DEFENSE i think that's why people
because when you look at the fluidity with which he,
plays doesn't play as, FAST i don't. Think But Tyre's
howelburton coms were getting thrown out there a little. Haphazardly
but you can see it on defense because it, Was,
oh he might be in the right, spots but he's
just not strong and so that's gonna not serve and
he's not gonna be super quick laterally against some of these.
Guys so or excuse. Me in, GENERAL I I i
wouldn't have made this. PICK i Had mike Cal Brown junior.
Higher BUT i love this pick for The clippers BECAUSE
i think that this is Our we don't really know
what The clippers' long term game is at the. Moment
it was the zoobots And harden trains made you think
that there was a little bit of a, Reset but
does that mean they're prioritizing Later, NOW i think he's
someone who could come.
Speaker 2: In and he.
Speaker 1: WILL i don't know how good he'll. Be but if
you are able to play off the ball and are
going to be in lineups with at least one Of
kawhi Or Darius garland all, time like they're gonna like
The clipper's gonna have some just gnarly like you put
all three of them on the court. TOGETHER i don't
know how you're necessarily supposed to stop, them because all
of them can create off the. Dribble kawhi doesn't need
to get to the. Basket they can all space the.
Floor SO i think it's a good pick by The.
CLICK i think it's a good pick by The. CLIPPERS
i think it's fit is.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, okay Cool. Uh now we get to so the
The nets came into the night with the six. PICK
i assume they kept.
Speaker 1: It i'm man, right they kept.
Speaker 2: It no trades, STILL i guess that's not. Shocking they
took a million guards last. Year they just traded For
Julius randall, uh who presumably will also be on the
ball like a fair. Amount BUT i don't think they
went away from The guards. That so now we're down
To so here's the here's gonna be my. Logic you're
five For i'm gonna put any pressure on.
Speaker 1: You but you're five for five so.
Speaker 2: Far i'm gonna get. This i'm gonna get this wrong
Because i'm gonna deviate a little bit on the thinking
that The kings cannot have nice. Things they picked. SEVENTH
i feel like they wanted a. Cuff So i'm gonna
say The nets took a cuff because The kings can't
have what they. Want And i'm prepared to be.
Speaker 1: Wrong you good thing you're, prepared because you were. Wrong
they Took mike.
Speaker 2: That, guy that's the chalk.
Speaker 1: PICK i.
Speaker 2: SHOULDN'T i shouldn't have tried to get. CUTE i blew
my perfect top. Ten this is.
Speaker 1: Cold whatever The clippers, do just don't trade this six
six minutes guard to The thunder a year and a
half from.
Speaker 2: Now what could go?
Speaker 1: Wrong OBVIOUSLY i love this. Pick, Yeah i've COMPARED Mikel
Brown junior to like he plays like LaMelo ball with a.
CONSCIENCE i know a lot of people aren't high on his,
defense but a lot of the defense of. Playmaking he
can do the ball denial, stuff some the steels he
can get in passing, leans the transition opportunities it. CREATE
i love. It there's some concerns about the streaky, shooting,
fair the back issues this past. Year, FAIR i think
we're LOOKING i think The nets got an ALL nba
player that would be. Ivided you gave me point five
over under ALL nba, Teams i'll take the over for his.
Speaker 2: Year get all? RIGHT i love. It you're so if
you're given winners just in terms of, value because THERE
i mean you say you could See brown on some
people's boards as like he's in the ten to twelve, range,
right like The it's.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i didn't name The nets as the biggest winner
BECAUSE i don't view this as like for me. Specifically,
yeah they're a huge, Winner BUT i didn't LIKE. Mikel
Brown junior going at six is not some value play by, consensus,
right Unless i'm missing? Something, no, no, NO I i
was like.
Speaker 2: The HAD i not tried to get too, CUTE i
THINK i would have picked him over Like flemings Or
i've said a cuff OR i. GUESS i guess buries
would fit into that, chunk all, Right so then The
kings must have gotten a cuff at.
Speaker 1: Seven it turns out grant that, WELL i, mean it
depends on your mileage of. Ken The kings have nice,
things and they Got darius a cuff at, Seven so
you were right. There now you say The kings can't
have nice, things so implying That darius a cuff isn't.
Speaker 2: Just because that's who they. WANTED i don't know how
nice of a thing he, is but it seemed like
that's that's who they sort of had their hopes pinned.
On whether that's that that might be a pretty good
argument for the like that was not the right guy
because they liked. Him BUT i get, it like he
so of this, group he's the most like bona fide, scorer,
correct like which of you?
Speaker 1: Know eya?
Speaker 2: POINTS i guess is kind of the thinking for The.
Speaker 1: KINGS i, mean, sure just to add another guard to the.
Fold is THIS i don't know if this Is could
you call The king's guards winners or losers? Here because
you're more likely to get traded if you're A eliite
monk or Zack lavine or get waived if You're DeMar
deroz and he's not really guard. Anymore but you get
Where i'm.
Speaker 2: Going he's getting.
Speaker 1: Waived so is that does that make him a? Winner
or look because you escape The, kings he's.
Speaker 2: A point, guard, Right acuff is a point guard or
he's gonna play point? Guard, Correct, so, LIKE i don't.
KNOW i, Mean monk is a combo. GUY i, Mean
Devin carter is not someone you're gonna who cares if
you're taking touches from. Him russ is a free, agent
LIKE i, mean so is the concern that like A
cuff is gonna get his own too, much and so
like the other guys around him will not be. Scoring,
like is is that what why YOU'RE i.
Speaker 1: Just don't think that you can win a title with
a small, Guard, OKAY i just don't think it's been
JUST i.
Speaker 2: Do do you remember like ten days ago or a week, Ago,
no what? Happened it's hard to. Say it's hard to.
Speaker 1: SAY i do worry about him on defense because he
is one as as far as quote unquote a small
guard would.
Speaker 2: Go the infrastructure there is, Fine, dan don't. Worry don't
worry about.
Speaker 1: That Right AND i think you need to now build your,
team which they have not done in the image of
having him as the. Focal but they're not even. Close
SO i think insulating him AND i think that him
being kind of on the stronger end will. Help BUT
i JUST i don't. Know if you ask me if
they should have taken somebody else, here probably. Not, okay
when you look at there are other guys THAT i,
Like but for the there's there's at least one, other
probably two other players THAT i like a lot. More
but for The king, SPECIFICALLY i THINK i can get
on board with this. Pick BUT i do think that
his value is gonna be very infrastructure dependent, dependent not
just on, defense but even on. Offense if you're looking
at the way he's gonna create space in the mid,
range if you want him to get all the way
to the, basket it's gonna be very infrastructure. Dependent they
don't have it right. Now this is to say The
kings can't go build that, Out BUT i do like
The if you're gonna go with a small, guard and
this is not just Because Jaylen brunson won the. Title
the small guard that's like and six two is not overwhelmingly.
Small John brunson's probably. Five he's listed at. Six, yeah
but he's, yeah uh but like if he has some,
STRENGTH i think that boat Like Kyle, lowry is the
ONE i keep coming back. To it's just like he
was six basically six foot and like Even Chris paul
and So acus not, stocky like either one of the
stock he's either one of those. Guys but he'll get,
stronger like he's what is he only twenty eight years?
Speaker 2: Old how old is say he's?
Speaker 1: Nineteen he's, nineteen so even, better he's gonna continue to
get to get. Strong BUT i, think, look you look
at his usage when he was At, arkansas and THERE'S
i think he not that you want to move him
off the ball In, sacramento but if you are going
to keep DeMont To, sibonis he does have the like
the movement patterns off the, ball and ALSO i think
just the shooting off the. Ball he'll be able to
play alongside either another primary ball handle or someone Likes
sabonis if you want him to operate as a.
Speaker 2: Hub, yeah all, right number?
Speaker 1: Eight now though who had had number?
Speaker 2: Eight The? Hawks? Right is that they did they keep? It?
Yeah they? Did So i'm thinking this Is. Flemings, uh.
Speaker 1: You would be, correct correct kind.
Speaker 2: Of the, last Because burry's is more of a TWO i, think?
Speaker 1: Right is?
Speaker 2: That is that your reading of? It or is, yeah
he's Not he's not a.
Speaker 1: He's like what he kind of reminds me of what
If Kank nipple could make all? Defenses HOW i would
Like Braden burry's. Peak it's just.
Speaker 2: Okay if you're wondering where he was on my, board
he was, Okay so, Yeah flemings is kind of the
last then for a little bit, here he's the last
of that. CHUNK i Guess burry's is sort of in that.
Chunk but, yeah that's about it of that that cohort
of guards, there and they just needed someone to make
their half court offense. Better.
Speaker 1: UH i GUESS.
Speaker 2: Cj McCollum will have some of those responsibilities, Again but
that seemed pretty logical to. ME i NEVER i. DO
i do feel like you saw some interest in In
mara for, Them but Like i'm if A congo was my,
Five i'm. HAPPY i Just i'm willing to address the
guard thing before. That although like again it's a, rookie
is he gonna come in and captain a playoff team
and run the.
Speaker 1: Like probably the answer is, no BECAUSE i think that
this was, probably uh, yeah this was my least favorite
pick in the.
Speaker 2: Top, okay by, far tell me. MORE i can't pretend
to know a heck of a lot about.
Speaker 1: HIM i, look there's been a lot of talk about his,
athleticism and maybe it was the spacing which that he
was working with in. School but WHEN i When i'm
watching him in that, like it just didn't pop off the.
Page When i'm watching the possessions of while he was At,
houston the shooting is thirty eight point seven percent from. Three, okay,
cool you took under three attempts per game getting to
the mid. RANGE i guess is. Fine he's he can
get to the, basket but his finishing was under sixty
percent at the. Rim didn't shoot too well on, LAYUPS i.
Believe so that's just not gonna do it for. Me
and when you look at the, Again i'm not saying
they should have drafted For, fit but the infrastructure of
The hawks Where Dyson, Daniels Jalen johnson as of, Now Jonathan,
kaminga you don't like there's there's no lights out shooters
on this. Team you don't look at the MEAN i
guess maybe Kiss bert for now Or buddy healed technically for,
Now but you don't look at this team and think
that they're the floor is gonna be. It you can
get to a point where you have four quote unquote,
shooters but none of them are. Dynamite and so if
he's not, GONNA i don't know that he's gonna translate
to off the. Ball the fact that he does perform
so well defensively that modes well for this. Team like
they have a lot of disruptors on the court right.
Now BUT i think there's a chance and maybe this
isn't good or. Bad like you use the number eight,
pick you probably want them to, play, RIGHT i don't
know that he's guaranteed to play on this. Team next
He's Aaron, wiggins is, There? Nika Alexander walker's? There you
Brought seg McCollum. Back they have immediate. EXPECTATIONS i Don't
i'm not, RIGHT i won't right. Off we did this
earlier in our careers when we used to have to
do all the. Busts i'm not about to go. There
it was the eighth. PICK i don't you know DO
i think he'll be better Than Rob.
Speaker 2: Dillingham, yeah it's, say that's a scary comp right if
you're taking if you're taking one of these, guards that's
the scary like' and he He.
Speaker 1: Flemings profiles just differently because of the defense for. Starters
BUT i. Didn't MAYBE i just need to watch more of.
Him but the athleticism did not disarm me the way
that people are talking. About and again that could be
more About houston, spacing BUT i don't think like The. Hawks,
okay they'll get out in, transition so that should. Shine
but when you're looking at The hawks', lineup LIKE i
think you're gonna run into issues and wonder can he
play with two Of Jalalen, Johnson Jonathan kaminga And Dyson
daniels on the. Court we already know you can't play
like all three Of daniels If kminga's still, There johnson.
Together so this is it's not even about the. Fit
but maybe The, hawks like they might need to move
some pieces around if they want to actualize the best
version Of. Flemings AND i just don't know if they're
on that type of. Trajectory, okay they're gonna prioritize winning
over the development Of, flemings IS i guess more so
my point and that's not a. Situation, yeah THAT i
think is good for him because there's just for me
too many rough edges to his offensive.
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Speaker 2: All, Right so that takes us to What dallas has
nine or came. In i'm gonna Assume dallas kept the,
pick and, MAN i want to, Say bury's. HERE i
have some thought to, Like, oh they're worried That Derek
lively's never gonna be healthy and they maybe go with
the big But i'll Just i'll Go. BURY'S i feel
like most people had him among their top, eight So
i'm Gonna i'm gonna get your second.
Speaker 1: Miss they went with A Dusty days.
Speaker 2: Guy, okay more As.
Speaker 1: JOHNSON I i, mean, look this team is gonna be
If Derek lively is healthy and you Have Cooper flag
and you have more As, johnson they were going to
be beasts on the defensive. End that's just like you
have so MANY i mean you look At Max christy
being on this, team even just the the size and
physicality OF. Pj, Washington Naji. Marshall we'll see how many
of these guys actually stick. Around aside From flag And,
johnson Even, Lively i'm just curious he's extension eligible and
has had a bunch of. Injuries i'm just like With
burry's on the, board just sort of felt, like couldn't
you use more shooting Around Coper?
Speaker 2: Flag when have you ever had when is the when
is that too much shooting a? Problem that's that would
be my take on. It all.
Speaker 1: Right i'm not surprised because of the like the The michigan.
TIES i GUESS i didn't GIVE i didn't give that
enough thought though going, In BUT i, DON'T i don't.
KNOW I burray's would have been the pick, here But
DUSTY i called WHAT i call Him Dusty Day Dusty.
Speaker 2: May, SO i, mean how do you, think, Uh Linda
borg And marra feel about? That they were sitting right.
THERE i think most people had them mocked ahead Of,
johnson right like those guys were.
Speaker 1: Both So wash did say, that And wasp wasn't A
johnson guy, either but he did say That glasco's hemosode
pick the six nine in prospect with questions he's got
a Tight wash did say That Morris johnson was skyrocketing
up people's draft, boards WHICH i JUST i always find
fascinating because it's what is happening in these sort of
simulated workouts that is making you, think, wheah he's. Sixteen,
no like he's top eight pick top nine pick now, Yep.
Speaker 2: No that's VERY i gotta, say like this this is
to to relate to this from my real life. Experience you, know,
yeah let's there's a tryout for this travel baseball. Team
it's going to be two. Days it's like you really
think they're basing their decisions on on what the kids
do those two, Days like they know all their numbers
from the full season that they, are that everybody knows
who everybody. Is this is it's very much the team
is ninety percent. Decided so, like, yeah, what like what's
he doing in these one on ones that are like
overshadowing his full season of? College but, LIKE i JUST
i don't understand that logic. Either all, right, man, okay
so my confidence is shaken. Here who's got? TEN i
don't even? Remember? Now oh uh this is The? Bucks
uh they kept?
Speaker 1: It, congratulations you got it?
Speaker 2: Right and, YEAH i say they kept?
Speaker 1: It what do you do?
Speaker 2: Here SO i got to think about are they they
shouldn't be drafting for need but this is posting honest.
Trade so they got like a whole rotation that's new
to the to the. Roster now This Miles turner's still,
there but probably not for a long, time so they
could be in the mix FOR i Guess mara is
definitely the. Highest, yes what si? Guy let's JUST I i,
mean you. Can't i'm Gonna here's What I'm here's What i'm,
Gonna here's What i'm gonna. DO I i Think i've
just now decided THAT i would like for The warriors
to Have burry and get him at. Eleven SO i
am going to, Preemptively, Uh i'm Gonna i'm gonna hedge
SO i don't have. To so Then i'll be really
excited if they do get, him And i'm gonna say
he's going to the bucks here at Ten Berry's.
Speaker 1: Who's, Oh burry's is going to the bucks at? Ten?
Uh you would be? Correct So, okay congratulations and condolences.
Speaker 2: Are still still are still that's still hurt more THAN
i thought it.
Speaker 1: Would uh did you are you surprised that they went
with someone who doesn't seem to have the same type
OF i hate the word, upside but the same type
of upside is like or someone with higher up Like
KAMAR i think is, oh his best case outcome might
be higher Or nate A men is good like everyone
he's the mystery. Box, well So.
Speaker 2: Bury's is like you know you're gonna get shooting, Correct
like that's that's what you're getting from ball.
Speaker 1: Pressure and disrupted on defense.
Speaker 2: Too, yeah so like maybe he's more of a role
guy would be the knock and he's also twenty uh
so he's a little older than a year older than
the most of The, yeah all those other guys in
that guard chunk were. Nineteen, No i'm not that. SURPRISED i.
THINK i think BECAUSE i, HAVE i Don't mara LIKE I,
YEAH i get the, appeal BUT i don't know What
i'm just to, me this was the best player available By,
YEAH i think that's maybe Where i'm going to LIKE i,
HAVE i Think Linda borg the age thing is a
question for. Me and and Then marra is, like all, right,
WELL i don't think he's. Clinging maybe he's More. Edie,
Uh edie's, great but like he hasn't been. Healthy that's
another LIKE i don't. KNOW i just. DON'T i. DON'T
i wouldn't take a center. Here so, yeah it makes
sense to me even the YEAH i. Did you're kind
of right, though like who Will we'll be, Wrong like
we're talking about upside, forever like a rookie who knows
what he's going to. Become but that would be that
that would be the take than the knock is, That,
oh well he's. Not he's not gonna be a primary
scorer maybe is which IS i guess is.
Speaker 1: Fair but when you look at the makeup of their.
Team are you ready to, say beyond a shadow of
a doubt That Ryan rollins Or Tyler hero or A
Jaia hawkas junior isn't part of their long term. Plan
i'm not calling any one of them a, megastar but
you have these guys who can generate shots And hawks
or maybe people don't love the Shots hawkas generates all the,
time but he's his bulldozer on. Drives he's a mid
range he can be a mid range. Assassin why not
just have the guy who could fly around the court
on offense and then it's gonna work his butt off on.
DEFENSE i don't, LIKE i don't what do you? Like
what do You he's been compared to To Keith Alexander?
Walker LIKE i, SAID i think that does what he
can do on offense that falls, short but of course
it's a compliment to his. DEFENSE i JUST i think
he was the best player. Available SO i have just
NO i have no qualms about this. Pick and, it
by the, way if we look back and, say, Oh
Braydon burry's was better than pretty much all the guards
that he wouldn't shock. Me if we go back to,
Oh brainbury's was the best guard or the second best
guard taken in this, CLASS i Mean Darren, Peterson so
let's say he's. One but when looking at just the
like the cluster Of Keaton, Woggler Michael Brown, Junior Darius Acuff,
Junior Kingston, flemings If brainbury's ends up being the best
out of, them it wouldn't shock. ME i have two
of those guys ahead of, him but it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Shock, okay, Yeah and and As i'm looking at it,
now because The warriors are, next, LIKE i JUST i
don't even care. Anymore there's like nobody That i'm gonna
feel really. Excited did hold?
Speaker 1: On did they trade the? Pick?
Speaker 2: Mmm you know, What i'm gonna tell you WHAT i hope.
HAPPENED i hope they traded eleven in a package For
Trey murphy the. Third can you please tell me that
that's what.
Speaker 1: Happened you were gonna be disappointed they kept the? Pick
would you like they just stab? BACK i JUST i.
Speaker 2: Feel like It's lindeborg because they probably wanted someone that
they think is going to contribute, immediately and that feels
like what his whole deal.
Speaker 1: Is so you are, correct they took You, borg which
by the. WAY i know he's, older but he just
does so much on the court That i'm fine with.
It like it's, okay you're a twenty four and we're
talking about when you're looking at teams like The. Timberwolves
when we get to the. Io the Iod desumer was
Like Julius. Randall stuff they're talking about Like jade McDaniels
And nasriy getting better in year seven or eight or
whatever they're. Entering So i'm not gonna a twenty four
year old. Rookie i'm just knock there, like, yeah he,
might he might just get. BETTER i was if you
also would have predicted there was a this is there's
no way this was, happening but There if you predicted
that there would be a video going around which it
looks Like Joe lacub And Mike dunlevy were arguing about
the pick on camera with him rol of, o'clock you
would be cracked because that was the.
Speaker 2: Rounds, OH i gotta check that out, Now i'm. EXCITED
i wonder.
Speaker 1: If there's No the only THING i could picture them
discussing is Doesn't Nate ament seem like such A Joe lacub?
Swing how married he was To kaminga And, wiseman.
Speaker 2: Just because he's just the athletic forward that we don't
know what this.
Speaker 1: IS i don't even know if he's all that watching.
HIM i don't know If nata ment was all that.
Long yeah, right it's, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah the mystery.
Speaker 1: Box oh this could two, timelines this could be he
could be four timelines rolled into one. Player we don't.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, Yeah, NO I i am a little
disappointed About. LINDENBORG i THINK i would have been more
disappointed By, mara who was the other GUY i thought
about mentioning, There SO i have.
Speaker 1: A question, Who, yeah would you not have been disappointed by?
Speaker 2: Nobody? NOBODY I I I that's WHY i was hoping
they traded, it just BECAUSE i don't. Know maybe here's
WHAT i CAN i tell you what's gonna happen when
we're done here tonight Is i'm gonna go watch a
bunch of a bunch Of lindenborg tape And i'm going
to talk myself into. Him it's gonna take maybe four
minutes And i'll start to believe that's what's gonna. Happen,
well right, Now i'm. DISTRAUGHT i Just i'm not.
Speaker 1: EXCITED i think by, VALUE i probably he probably would
have been top ten on my there and LOOK i don't.
Speaker 2: Think well he went, eleventh so.
Speaker 1: Cool look at that. Value do you know WHAT i?
Compare this is again it's, me so you used to
take it with a metric ton of? Salt do you
know what my hybrid comp was for?
Speaker 2: Him Kyle Kuzma AND.
Speaker 1: I, said he's what If Aaron gordon was trapped In
Michail bridges's? Body, well now you have my, attention so
you go watch more of yaxall and then you get
back to me and the. Kids everyone was, watching and
we would like to know what you think about that
hybrid Comp and it's not even trapped BECAUSE i think
he works well within like the the frame that he,
has SO i shouldn't say. Trapped but it's what If
Aaron gordon Was Michael. Bridges that's the that's the Comp
it's a.
Speaker 2: Lot to, digest that's a lot To That's i'm gonna
have to really stew on that for a.
Speaker 1: Second, Okay well so you think that's Worth he's.
Speaker 2: Right on STEP i, mean, like have they planned his
retirement ceremony? Yet just around the corner this guy's so.
Speaker 1: Old so we've got plenty of other stuff to get.
To BUT i think there's still a few prospects that
are worth and things that. Happened so let's of the
prospects that you're most interested. In where do you think
who even got a Die? Mara?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay so let's let me let me pull up
the rest of the order. Here SO i, could, oh
the thunder a right there at, twelve would they have Done,
no they wouldn't have done. It, man that's. INTERESTING i, oh,
well If charlotte were to have come away With, mara
that would be. Interesting BUT i don't know if he
fell all the way to, fourteen he did.
Speaker 1: Not would you like to take? Another guess you Just
i'll just, well.
Speaker 2: There's only a. Couple, yeah just tell me it's the
thunder or the. HEAT i, see we went to the.
Speaker 1: Thunder, okay the thunder Took, mara and so that by the.
Way so He i've tried to after missing On, donovan
after missing a little bit on Zach, edie and missing
even harder On, Ice i've tried to come around on
the guys who move like. That he has watching him
to me, again he looks like he Has Zach EDI's
gait where it's just it feels awkward, sometimes but like,
yeah but the like the passing he Has Isaiah Hartenstein
like touch around the. BASKET i could even see him
developing a similar push shot. GAME i don't think he's
as fluid as of like a ball decision maker As.
Hartenstein but he's also what Is hartenstein like six ten
six eleven seven feet and he's seven to. Three this
guy's absolutely. MASSIVE i did kind of. Wonder All i'm saying,
is as we record, this The thunder like twenty nine
million dollars over the second, apron they could clear most
of that by just. TRUE i don't think they're just
gonna Decline hartenstein's team. OPTION i think a cap space
team would just take.
Speaker 2: Him oh, yeah there he's too. Value you can't they
there's No this can't mean that The hartenstein is not
gonna be in the right. Now but hold.
Speaker 1: ON i viewed. It could this be more of a
succession plan to where The thunder, Decide, hey we're gonna
opt you, in but we're not giving you a long
term deal right, now or we're gonna circle back after this.
Speaker 2: Season maybe it's it's hard to say that like one
doesn't affect the, other because it's, like this is a
PRETTY i thought. THAT i thought the thunder were a
pretty good bet to trade one of their, picks, right,
like and maybe this one would have gotten you the.
Most so it's interesting that they a kept it in
b took a big just because, Yeah hertenstein is so
important to what they. Do but, yeah that's an interesting.
Option is, like well maybe they can they want him
for this, year but if maybe things go, sideways they
can trade him as an expiring and somebody can then.
RESIGN i don't, know it's. Interesting who else is?
Speaker 1: Notable where do you think nata ment? Went?
Speaker 2: Oh, WELL i think there's some real skepticism about him
as a prospect just because of the like what is? He?
UH i mean what about The bulls at?
Speaker 1: Fifteen, no that would have been that would have been.
Speaker 2: Interesting so Then, Charlotte, no Then miami.
Speaker 1: Still, right that's, True miami does not, pick but you all.
Speaker 2: Right they traded, it, Oh. Milwaukee then at thirteen he.
Speaker 1: Went thirteen To, milwaukee which For milwaukee to come away With.
Brittin so a lot of PEOPLE i think we're wondering
in real time where The buck's gonna try and take No.
Yannie they don't get anyone who AND i have thoughts
on this, whole they didn't get anyone who profiles the
future superstar in the. Trade would they take a swing
At nata, MENT i think Getting Brydon burry's who's just
clearly better right now or more, ready but he doesn't
have his like mystery box. Appeal but then you also
still go Get nata meant at, thirteen LIKE i. Could
you had two picks late in the, lottery why not
make one of them just, this Like nata meant the
type of guy that's either gonna get you a statue
outside five served.
Speaker 2: Form or get you.
Speaker 1: Fired, Maybe and so if you take him too, HIGH i,
Mean and so number thirteen just feels kind of, right
and the like watching, HIM i don't he he like
has shades of so many different, players both good and.
BAD i don't even know what to make of his
of his, Comps and SO i think the hope is
just that if he's in a more cohesive setting than
he was At, tennessee like this ends up being. Good
BUT i HAVE i have my.
Speaker 2: Doubts, OKAY i want to know Where Santa Clara Bronco
Alan graves. LANDED i hope it's The.
Speaker 1: Spurs he did not go to The, spurs but he
did go in the top. Twenty, okay, hmmm well if It's,
charlotte that's pretty.
Speaker 2: Interesting Not.
Speaker 1: Charlotte oh, Really oh this is. FUNNY i didn't do
work On Alan, graves So i'm. Curious, yeah give, me
give me the loader.
Speaker 2: DOWN i, mean just like a it's like a pretty
sturdy six' nine that can make. Open shots but like
he's good because he has good feel and is like
a pretty smart passer and a, good defender but he's
not going to be like a big.
Speaker 1: Time scorer he Looks Like jared dudley a. Little bit
is that one of his? Pro COMS by, I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't know if He's what dudley's carrying skill was.
His shooting but, like similarly, LIKE savvy i, would, say
uh did he go To? The thunder?
Speaker 1: He Did?
Speaker 2: Not memphis? Then NOPE whom I even toronto at. Nineteen, nineteen,
okay oh that's Such a, toronto pick just like another
big six nine okay or. SIX eight i guess depends
on where.
Speaker 1: You're looking what what About, my well actually we should go,
with oh, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Your Guy, Dalen, swain.
Speaker 1: YES who i was hoping at one point weeks ago
would fall To the nicks at number. Twenty four they
would have just traded him if. He did grant he
was picked a little earlier than. Twenty, four, okay, OVERALL.
Speaker 2: Well i, Keep, Guessing Charlotte so i'll just say, them
again because you get two cracks at it in the.
Speaker 1: Top, twenty nope did he go To The, thunder nope
that would have. Been unfair he went to the bulls afte.
Speaker 2: At fifteen that's gonna be on the high end of
where he was mocked, almost anywhere, RIGHT.
Speaker 1: Right i think. There was wash had told me that
if he was a first, year player he'd be a surefire.
Lottery pick so if you can get past though he just,
wrapped up was this third season, OR whatever i think
it's easier to. Him THERE what i will say About,
THE bulls i loved, their draft which is probably a
red FLAG because i think the LAST time i loved
their draft was when They Took patrick williams at. Number
Four h but they do seem With The nick, claxton
trade and now You Get, caleb wilson who the decision
was made. For them but still and then you Go After,
daln Swain modest bruzzellis, Is there maybe They Keep. Leondard
miller they're just built to be disruptive and switchy and
just have like this long. Defensive IDENTITY so. I Appreciate
Obviously bryson graham wasn't There for bruzillis And the. Miller
PICKUPS but i KIND of i see the. VISION board i.
Like it the another, Big Name. Giannis steinbach where do
you think?
Speaker 2: He, went uh. Let's see oh is that that's kind
of like So.
Speaker 1: After mara oh, that's right You Like jazz Pod Says noah.
Sangey too he, got INJURED so i forgot. About him
he was Compared TO giannis i think coming out of
the draft at, one point so it, was, YEAH.
Speaker 2: Well I mean i, Get, OKAY uh i don't know
how about did he Go. To charlotte charlotte has to
take a big at.
Speaker 1: Some point. He did he Went to charlotte with their
he was, their fourteenth like to close. Out, there yeah
he Went To joanna steinbach Went to charlotte at. NUMBER
fourteen i don't know how to feel. About, HIM man
i don't know if he's a, center defensively and that's
what gives.
Speaker 2: Me, pause, WELL yeah i mean they do Have so,
Calkbrinner's there he's probably not a starter if you're going
to really. Do anything And, THEN diabate, i guess a
very different Player. Than kulkbrinner BUT also i, feel like
probably not, a starter even though the number like that's
when they got good Is when diabate just was their. Starting.
CENTER right i don't know if that's a, causal relationship
but that's when things. Kicked, off yeah if he's not,
a CENTER then i don't. Love It can sneinbock? Shoot
too just to read, up now this this blurb doesn't tell. Me, anything,
No well i've just seen, good hands big guy crashes.
The glass that's not doing it. For me they already
got the guys that can.
Speaker 1: Do THAT so i just. DON'T know i don't, understand
necessarily NOT that i. Don't understand i'm curious to see
what the theory of him is. GONNA be i feel
like you almost draft him with the hope that he
can be a five or, you like, BECAUSE like i
don't know that Him And mussa Diabacte or kalkbrednan should be.
PLAYING together i. Just can't maybe you're trying to get
away with smaller lineups, where oh if We Have miles
Bridges And brandon miller on, the court it. Comes together
he's a. Great rebounder.
Speaker 2: Uh can you tell Me where, Let's see i'm trying
to think who else like really jumps Out as?
Speaker 1: I'm curious so you asked about my reaction before we.
JUMPED on i thought he was gonna end up going
in the. Second Round but brooklyn with the twenty eighth
pick they Got, FROM, minnesota Uh Drafted. Joshua JEFFERSON and i,
Love that okay for that speaks he speaks to me,
About him he's, just wanted like he's cut from, the
down swaying mold, of, like oh this guy, Could shoot
like look at the positional malleability of him. On defense
his comp Has Been, kyle ANDERSON which i just starkly.
DISAGREE with i think the shot is going to, be
BETTER and i also think that. He plays if you
watch him on, THE ball i don't understand where Necessarily
The kyle. Anderson comps he's so much faster on the
Ball than KYLE anders i know that's a, low bar but,
it's yeah he.
Speaker 2: CLEARS measures i would say, the, lowest right he's Faster Than.
Kyle anderson, all right let's see What, about well let
me ask, you then was there anything ELSE that i
guess we're at the point in the draft where there's
not any like anything shocking if we if there'd been a,
big trade you would have told me about it. By
now was there any other picks that you felt like
were way out of step with just the mocks that,
you'd seen because we've really kind of knocked out the
top twelve to FIFTEEN that i would. Have Assumed, kareem
lopez this Is someone i've seen mocked in like the top.
Twelve ish where'd he?
Speaker 1: End up kareem ended up Going to He's, On memphis
so THIS was I think memphis was a big winner
outside Of Getting, cam boozer just because they traded down,
five spots so they went from number sixteen to twenty
one and two separate trades and accumulated five second round
picks in. The process and then we're able To Get,
kareem lopez WHO he's i don't know what he's gonna,
be defensively but based off What little i've seen, of
Him The franz wagner but with a, jump shot comparisons like.
Aren't bad he has someone like the shoulder Stuff that franz.
Can DO so i thought that was a nice pickup.
By them but to also the asset management of getting
like five second rounders in the process was a. BIG
deal i also so after Listening To david Lee And
samson folk Talk About, BENNETT sturtz i didn't know like
a ton, about him and THEN all i saw was
he's like he's he's six' two in a quarter or whatever.
HE'S listed at i, came, away, just oh, No, like
smitten like is this Gonna Be A Landry shamick column
gillespie cross type? Of, PLAYER'S fee yeah i mean that
would be that would Be an incredible like. That's a
starter probably Repose. To it memphis he Went with, the
Memphis pick but. Okase, acquired him ooh that's so another
just guard that's a little gritty but. Not, super huge
okay went after, who'd have, thought hm.
Speaker 2: Hmm market inefficiency everybody's out. On small guards then the thunder. Hop, In,
THERE interesting okay.
Speaker 1: I thought the spurs had a, nice draft too so
they picked up with the pick that They got from
atlanta to fill Out The de. Jonta murray Trade They
drafted JAYDEN quainton's who i know a lot of people
are just kind, of split on but i'd seen him
mocked like like some people had them firmly in the
top ten on, their big board and they're just like
this guy who's and can defend and make like some reads.
Off the catch he's BEEN compared to i. Can't even
remember I've Probably seen jared vanderbilt thrown. AROUND out there
i don't think he's as, hopeless on offense but putting
Him in THE spurs system i think. Will be interesting
they ALSO got though i don't know if they traded
Directly with the knicks or if they got It. From,
the no no they Got. It From denver so denver
traded the number twenty six Pick and The Spurs took
Tarris Reid, OR tauris reid i don't know how, You.
Pronounce it junior and so that's another like bigger guy
to get. In their system and we talked a lot
about they need different types of functional depth in. The,
FRONT court now i don't think that a lot of
people had read going in. The second round he's not
super huge for someone who's classified. As the center he
stands under. Six foot ten but if you're going to
compare Someone To just Isaiah Hartenstein, and dayron sharp you,
have my attention especially if they're Going.
Speaker 2: To, the SPURS yeah and i Think Would jes the
spurs at this point are in benefit of the doubt
doubt territory with, their draft analysis just given the sixth
not obviously they're they they they got. The easy Ones
But like carter bryant like that that's working out like
they it seems like we should we should put a
little faith in what they can do from. An evaluation
standpoint i'm.
Speaker 1: Trying to see if anything else. Stood out here uh
oh in the Chats, From. Prepah CoA pete can i
look at?
Speaker 2: THE chats now i can look at. The, chats now
yeah he.
Speaker 1: ENDED up falling i don't think that he's just gonna
have the like the the offensive tools AND that's or,
i should say like the shooting necessary to be like a.
High impact player he has drawn comparisons to A Bunch
of swiss army, knife type guys whether it's A Like a.
FATTEUS young type i He slipped to where? Did he
go i'm not looking at the, board right now but
he came off the, board at thirty so He went to.
Dallas at thirty. That's actually wild So just between. DALLAS
ends up I Don't CoA. Pete morris Johnson they. Have
cooper flag there's they've cornered the market on just like. These,
forward types also do you know? What was funny and
this is in the Chattoo from the you? Like jazz pod?
Uh lebron five how do you pronounce this? Is, LeBaron
pylon oh? Pete got? Traded did he why isn't that listed?
On my thing have to. Look that up but he went,
To the sixers so You don't. Have jared McCain but
but you have an? EXP pronounce it i think.
Speaker 2: It's you're asking i've only. EVER read it i certainly
Haven't watched. An alabama Game?
Speaker 1: Uh he pete oh, Was the son? So that's right.
This is okay the sun Is traded from this is
what happens when you hop on before the first. Round
is over so they he that's Interesting, by the. Sons
that's interesting that's. Another that fits that fits like the
model of how they. Played last year we're JUST like
these i don't want to say, tryhards feels.
Speaker 2: Pejora that's not that's. Not a pejorative try hard.
Speaker 1: Is A positive so i don't know what he's gonna do,
Offensively for them but That's, another just oh this dude
is gonna get on the court and You're gonna FEEL
but THAT'S i don't i like the spirit. Of the
pick i'm just curious as to. DO they have i
guess between the table setters They have In, gillespie and booker.
That should help but he. LIKE doesn't like i think
people are lower on his jump shot than like basically anyone, who's, Standing.
Speaker 2: Bigger bulkier. Ryan Dunn. Type oh man.
Speaker 1: One of the i'm looking now one of the ringer
cops For Him. Is Brandon, bass oh no nobody.
Speaker 2: Wants twelve foot baseline, jumpers all day Look.
Speaker 1: Out oh man but, Thirty pick whatever so that was
there WAS nothing seemed i think you Could argue co
opete was the BIGGEST slider and i saw him just
like in the twenties on. People's BIG boards so i
don't find that as just him going to thirty. AS some,
shock i mean really.
Speaker 2: LIKE the consensus i don't there was not a surprise in, the,
TOP ten, right I mean so i was.
Speaker 1: Going. Through It uh in wasserman's final Mock, at bleacher
report he got the first, seven picks right and then
thirteen of the fourteen players he mocked in the lottery went. In,
THE lottery yeah, i, THINK chalk yeah i think, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: RIGHT it was i mean the TOP four, were i
mean like easy to say now, that it happened but
it was like that seemed locked in for like the
last couple months me.
Speaker 1: On social media.
Speaker 2: That just seemed like that. Was a given, and then
yeah five was where. It got interesting but even then,
it felt, like you know it was only going to
be one of. A couple. Players it didn't this did
not feel like a draft where there were going to
be big leaps up up the board or. Or big
slippage maybe there's just a lot of. GROUP thing happening,
i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW was there I feel like i didn't ask your
opinion of this enough as we were going to wrap
this up Before. Getting into giannis was there any going
through a picks that you would just especially it didn't
seem like anything, was overly shocking But was there you
look at a player team right now, and, you're saying
hey like this. Is, GREAT.
Speaker 2: Man WELL i Think i think Mara to the thunder.
FELT like, ONE i well i didn't think he. WOULD
be there i thought he would go in. THE top
ten i don't know if it's it's more like that's
the one that has like. HAS my attention i feel, Like,
most like Oh that's because i'm just, thinking, of like
well what does that mean for what they're? Going to do? Other?
Than that yeah who Did who Did dallas? Took burry's
right is THAT or? Did, i already?
Speaker 1: No they did they Took More as johnson burr's.
Speaker 2: Went that one that one SURPRISED me because i was
not a privy to the like momentum that he. SEEMED
to have i would have Rather probably. Had burris there but. That's,
who knows, Yeah pretty true i'd say it. Was my.
Speaker 1: Takeaway it's Interested so the nicks trading cash Considerations to
the lakers with the number twenty four pick for the number,
twenty five pick While they Selected. Sergio de lorera YOU
should have i. Can't pronounce it you Should Have heard
adam silver put like some real, English, on it, oh,
real time yeah.
Speaker 2: Rolling.
Speaker 1: Those ours yeah so they traded him at number twenty
Five To the dallas mavericks for number thirty and two.
Second round picks Then They, traded CoA pete so that
was the. NUMBER thirty pick i DON'T know how. I
Missed That the phoenix suns for three second. Rounders and
cash so they moved out of the first round to
pick up five second round picks and cash they Got
out of they got out of the three million dollars
or so cap pull that was there a number twenty
maybe three point four million is what they would have
made on the rookie scale while. Getting Some cash i'm i'm.
Not gonna lie there's Reporting Now from Ian Begley that
mitchell robinson Might Like what's ian bagley said Something. About the,
knicks i'm, like Oh Yeah if james, Dolan says. It
I'm skeptical but, Bailey says. It i'm listening they, seem
they honestly they seem legitimately like they're gonna try and avoid,
the SECOND APRON which i i personally find. A little
wild i understand everyone could point it out in the
comments like they did when we went through our. KNIXT look,
AHEAD i understand, I promise you i understand the team
being restrictions of the second apron for a year. WITH
this core i don't understand why you wouldn't. Deal with
it but that's just if it's if It's All about
mitchell robinson and what, he's Gonna cause maybe i'll look
back at this and say that was. The right.
Speaker 2: DECISION let's see I want to i wanna before we,
LEAVE the draft pdp does ask a relevant question anybody
who is still on the board. That surprised you i'm
sure this isn't, directed to me BECAUSE what.
Speaker 1: Do i know.
Speaker 2: I'm, trying, to, THINK like yeah i guess? That do
you is There anybody that's i'm trying to see like
Mocked in the Where did the? Stanford? Kid, Go? Uh
oh cory did he? Go? Get? Drafted yet uh?
Speaker 1: He did?
Speaker 2: Not did he that would be a. Surprise to me
he talk about. A small guard he's listed at, six
To one but i've. Seen him mocked i'm looking at
one now where. He's mocked eighteenth uh so maybe that
would that's THE best ANSWER i gut.
Speaker 1: I was he, did get drafted but this player. DIDN'T
get drafted I was surprised cameron car dropped all the way.
TO twenty five i thought someone with his uh like
shooting would have gotten. Drafted A higher malik thomas still
being on The Board and boba miller those seemed like
two guys that could have went in the. First round
two there was just maybe there were so much guards
at some point maybe Makes Sense that elie thomas so that.
Speaker 2: You reminded me it's a weird time because everybody seems
to agree that this in Spite of the brunson thing that,
like small guards that's that's a position and positional type that's.
Just dying out, and it's like what are there nine
of them in the first, round so far and you
know half of them are in. The, Top ten uh.
IT'S we'll see i guess this will be an interesting WERE.
Speaker 1: Not and a COREY went to okac had ended up
having the pick Right traded to Detroit or did detroit
ended Up taking No corey's on these TRADES Are confusing
a cordy. To get drafted he got drafted in. The
top twenty he ended up. On, the pistons okay.
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 1: YOU like him i don't know. Enough about him it's.
Speaker 2: Just the name IT'S the name, i kept seeing certainly
as a FIRST rounder that i that. We didn't discuss so,
he DID go BUT i after i guess, after maybe
uh he actually went pretty close. To, the, lottery yeah
okay we just didn't get to him in our in,
our guessing game.
Speaker 1: My boomer brush prospect. On the board to actually, ANSWER
the question I guarantee you i probably have him hired
on my board than like ninety nine. Percent of people
i'm Very Interested in Trayvon.
Speaker 2: BRAZIL from artay, I tell you i, love that. Name
great name.
Speaker 1: He's just he's a jetpack floor spacer man and he
has some injuries in the rearview and. He's super undisciplined
but if you gonna be able to space the floor
and make like, BLOCK some shots i think that anyone
who's taking them in the second round especially and? Do
the knicks what? Is there said they still did they
even they still have. Number Thirty one so i'm looking
At You. In new york you want To Play? Replace
mitchell robinson why Don't You? Find mitchell robinson but with.
A jump shot i wasn't gonna compare, him To that
But trayvon, Jump, all.
Speaker 2: Right well yay. YOU know what. I enjoyed it I
feel like i was As successful as i've been in,
any OTHER year which i don't know if, that's saying
much but a pretty pretty easy draft to come, into
cold though, as we discussed you want to get to some,
Non draft, news uh? Yeah, what happened nothing just just
to the end to the longest. Ongoing trade saga uh,
that ultimately concluded like sort of how in the least
Surprising way with giannis Going? To the heat do you
do you want me to read off the actual? Trade
package here Just for, any, i'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah hit us hit us. With the Details so The bucks.
Speaker 2: Trade Giannis and bobby Portis To. The Miami heat the
bucks basically get back everything they, realistically could have WHICH
kind of i had some, doubts about whether like will
there be better offers if they wait, Till the summer
like should they have done this? At the deadline certainly
should have done it, a year Ago But didn't the
Bucks Get, back Tyler Hero Jimahawk is Junior khalil where
caspers yacucionis number thirteen pick a twenty thirty first ROUND
swap twenty.
Speaker 1: A number thirteen pick, Has.
Speaker 2: A name grant i already forgot, WHO it is a
twenty thirty ONE first unprotected a twenty thirty THREE first
unprotected a twenty, thirty three Second and the bucks generate
a pretty big trade exception twenty five point. Four million
Dollars so hero hawk is where yacucionis three firsts if
you count thirteen a swap. And, a second like my
main takeaway, from the is, all things considered, given the
circumstances that's a pretty good Return. FOR the bucks I think.
THAT'S i got i. Can't knock it it would have
been nice if there, were more bidders if this. Had
happened earlier we've been over that. A million times. THE
deal's done i think you got to feel pretty good
about This from. The bucks side would you agree with
that as like, a threshold issue? Like, PRETTY solid.
Speaker 1: Yeah i just under the you could you have to
evaluate it independently of did they? Wait too long because the, answer,
is yes yeah we're to get what they did after.
Waiting too long and, BY the way i think what
you could also POINT out is i now it's tough
being they got more than they would have gotten at,
the trade deadline and you could Talk about what, yan's
was INJURED but you i think the big variable here
is they made a bet that a team would emerge
out of the woodwork that could at least be used
as a stalking Horse For. The miami heat that team
Emerged In the boston Celtics With the, jaylen brown package
and so that kind Of forced the heat's hands and
so the one. Not THE one but i saw a
lot of criticism, over THE PACKAGE and i i think
that we overestimate how often there's a trade made and
we look back and say they got. A future superstar
you look at the you Look At the donovan. Mitchell
trade package nobody Was talking about larry markin it Is
A future ALL star. R nba candidate he was all.
About the picks you Look At The shay gilgis alexander,
trade to ok see that was about the picks MORE.
So than sga he was anyone picking that he would
develop into A. Two time mvp no in the room
like so it's just, To, say THAT no do I
Think that tyler hero Has Been. An ALL star do
i think that he has another level? TO get to
i mean. Maybe PROBABLY not do I think that cass
is gonna?
Speaker 2: Be?
Speaker 1: A MEGASTAR no do i Think That? About hakkas no
but like that's like that. Doesn't typically happen it's very
rare that we Look, Back like luka dodgers didn't even
net that.
Speaker 2: Type, OF player okay i. Know, you're right also like
the pack There wasn't the bucks did not, Have that
opportunity so like it doesn't if your knock on this
trade is that there's no superstar potential, Superstar in it
like show me the one where there, where there was
like that we just have to deal with like what the.
Offers ACTUALLY were Like I guess jalen brown, counts as
that but like that just didn't seem like it. Was
GONNA happen so. I Don't know i i'm actually surprised
that you ran into Criticism of the bucks.
Speaker 1: Side OF this.
Speaker 2: GRANTED i wasn't i was deliberately not that online today,
even FOR ME but i i thought it was like pretty.
ROUNDLY agreed to i guess this is, just proof that,
Like you know twitter will show you, whatever you know
it will it has. An amplification problem it will make
it seem like there are more critics of something than.
There actually are it felt to, ME like, everybody I guess,
should i say EVERYBODY whose opinion I respect or i
believe should, be listened to, was pretty, unified and Like,
Good job bucks like, that's you know good job on
on this return in, these circumstances today forgetting everything you
know that you could have done had. You moved sooner
like that seemed, like a total like across the board,
Agreement to. Me, i'm surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah it Was just the bucks are not going to
be in. A great SPOT is just i think what
a lot. Of PEOPLE feel and.
Speaker 2: I when you, trade a general a generational, CHRIST.
Speaker 1: Like this i think what they've at least. Done is
okay they have a bunch. Of Interesting Play maybe tyler
hero met you another first round pick if you look
at moving him the other like can we say like,
ALSO khalil ware i tend to be lower on khalil
Whare than most But that's another like they got legitimate
if you tried to look at this in terms of,
first round value they so, in actual picks they got
three first round picks, in a swap right if you,
include the players like are we talking? About, ANOTHER three
well i just was.
Speaker 2: Thinking as we were going through some of, the, draft stuff,
Like oh yeah rollins. IS still, Here I mean miles turner,
had A year but i still Kind Of. Like myles
turner so It's Like, Oh Ron's turner hero hawkes, where
you like there's a rotation emerging here, in My mind Like.
Speaker 1: I've, Brain burry's brain.
Speaker 2: Burry's gonna space they're at least, Interesting TO me, like,
i think yeah you like Jess as like Hero, and,
aj green.
Speaker 1: Uh you know like like they're shooting.
Speaker 2: On this team this, Team AT shooting like i don't
know that, defensively WE'LL SEE but i, I don't, KNOW i.
Don't i don't i'm at least interested In what the bucks.
Might look like and maybe that's just because they're finally
different and so that's. Part of it, but but Yeah.
Speaker 1: Finally, over but yeah BUT what BUT i would i,
will also say Is not they so they got not
only they, get off portous but they didn't have to
Take back the, jovich deal sure.
Speaker 2: Which is just, awful right now, by the way so bad.
Speaker 1: Be out here getting four years and million dollars if
you're starting for a Playoff. Team, in yovic yeah? What
was it four and? Sixty or?
Speaker 2: Whatever too much the only not.
Speaker 1: The ONLY thing but i have two. Questions for you
but if on, the criticism side would you have preferred
this package that they Accepted Or the jaalen brown plus
two first Round picks that boston. Was apparently offering knowing
that one of those first round picks was probably number
twenty seven in, THIS year's draft.
Speaker 2: I think yeah and they got rid Of? Portis that's
yeah that's the other something to. THINK about there I
didn't know i was it, definitely two firsts but one
Of THEM was sorry i was reading the comment one
of them was going to be A shitty first is that? What,
you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah one of, Them Was good like i'm assuming one
of them was this year's or, next year's first which is.
Gonna be bad i'm assuming at least one of them
had to be an out year based off how close
it Seemed like the bucks were. To TAKING it BUT
i think I like the.
Speaker 2: MIAMI package better i.
Speaker 1: Guess YOU do you i know, Why that's right because
if you want to sit, here, and say well they could,
have just reflipped because now If You, have jalen brown
he's expensive and you're beholden to win with not having
a whole, Lot around him you're not get a supporting
cast that. You just got if you could Have Re
routed jalen brown for, all these picks it would have
been Folded into the giannis trade itself and probably have
been done unless there was The Reporting from jake Fisher
That said jimmy haslm didn't want To Deal with jalen
brown possibly requesting the trade until he. Pushed this through
he's also the one that kind of set the arbitrary
but realistic by. The draft deadline so your argument either
needs to be that it needs to be if you don't,
like this package what? Was the alternative and then the
argument needs To Be that jalen brown and two first
round picks could have turned into, more than this And
that the bucks decided to say, yes or okay this.
Deal too early i'm not willing to buy any of that.
Like this was there's value, in having clarity especially when
the package is even if you don't think, this is
great it's. A real package it is a real package.
Under THE circumstances so i personally believe that if you
Were Gonna trade jaalen brown for four first, round picks
something that then you would have. Just done that there
would have been that deal would have been.
Speaker 2: SET up already, i think too, like you know you
have to sort of couch this with the admission that
we're not sure what draft picks. Are WORTH anymore but
i still think this is again it's old, logic because
oh they're going, To BE terrible but i would Rather
short the heat's Future than the celtics future if you're
just Talking the picks i'm, going to get especially if
one of those picks is A fairly, Immediate celtics pick
like maybe this is a good segue to talk About
like the heat's roster is like, pretty threadbare now, like
THEY well but i like the downside in these out
years are are, POTENTIALLY very bleak I. Think in miami
so that so if you're giving me picks From either
the Celtics, OR the heat i would Rather have. Those
heat picks i'm.
Speaker 1: Probably with you there's also just more, of them too
have The right? Before heat picks.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Do you expect what would you do With hero but
there's Been rumors about. Detroit being interested maybe YOU could
get i don't know if you're getting. A first round
like the package that was being Thrown Out, Was Duncan
robinson isaiah stewart in A first, and i'm like sure
even if that was like the first, And tonight's, DRAFT
hell yeah i don't.
Speaker 2: Think any part of this return, is, is like oh
we view this as a as a, for sure, keeper
you know heroes the biggest name in the group and makes. The,
Most Money.
Speaker 1: Honestly nate ament might be the closest they come to.
Speaker 2: Having the, KEEPER i'm, not i mean but here is,
a solid place, like you know he is, what, He
is like you're not building an. Offense around him he's
his absolute optimal role is as like a six man
that just scores like he's, He can start he's been.
An all, star like, SURE but yeah i take a
first and split that contract up into two PEOPLE with. If. I,
could yeah.
Speaker 1: Now the THE other question i have for you is
would you Take Offers? On, ryan rollins now he only
has one guarantee a year left, on his deal but,
he is, younger he's good but he's not gonna be
making formal. MILLION bucks forever i understand the way that
the new, lottery system works and they don't have their.
Own Picks ANYWAY but i'm, i, DON'T know man i
think you can maybe get like two first round. Picks
For him maybe. I'M overrating him i mean that two.
Speaker 2: Would be two would be a great. RETURN for him I.
Really like, ROWLINS but yeah i think the bucks should
just definitely be and we will flip literally anybody for
more lottery tickets. Or or, whatever Just yeah in rollins
is kind of a different case because you might just
Want to keep rawlins around if you thought you're going to,
be halfway, decent which again this is. A new thing
being halfway decent is like a is not the worst thing,
to be anymore and.
Speaker 1: Especially when your draft position isn't even beholden to how
decent you are, at this point it's all about how
decent the heat are.
Speaker 2: Or, aren't exactly uh let's talk about the heat side, of,
It though right and they they, got you HONEST now?
What i mean, you gotta you you gotta. HOPE you, can,
i guess Well you want wiggans to decline it with
the decline as thirty minute dollars player option and bring
him back on a three year deal that pays him
less than, thirty, A, year right like that's got to
be one of your first. Orders of business you hope
You can, BRING powell back i think because his shooting
will really matter on a team that is suddenly. Very
shooting starved Unless you think bam has yet another level
to go as a as a volume guy and as
an accuracy Guy From deep davion mitchell, Is Still there
pella larson's role, just Got huge which, i'm not against
but depth is a, massive issue here and you must.
Factor in that giannis is not going to, PLAY seventy
games i think is. The OTHER THING so, i, i
get well do you want to? Talk about that there's
a lot of angles to talk. ABOUT with, he i
mean that's that's, the obvious? Part is there just you
gotta find some bodies.
Speaker 1: Now you need, to find shooting and you had just,
bodies in general and the fact THAT you're, just i
mean you can trade A swap Or i guess techley
you could trade a conditional twenty twenty NINE pick, IF
i mean i assume the twenty twenty Seven pick to
charlotte now feels more, likely, to convey right since you. Have, be,
honest yeah yes you've.
Speaker 2: GOT to hope i think above a lot of other
things that. This now attracts your money goes farther on
a minimum deal than most other. Teams money goes so
you're gonna get guys that might be like tax mid
level that signed for the minimum, or, you know right
like that has to be one of the sort of
offshoots of this deal.
Speaker 1: Because there even You mentioned. The wigan stuff so as,
we're recording this they're about a round up eleven million
dollars beneath, the first apron which they're now hard capped
at because they took back more. Money into trade You're
Not like andrew wiggins could take twenty million, dollars a
year and that's probably not that's not gonna give you
the flexibility really to fill out your Roster And. Resign
norman Powell Seems like norman powell's gone based off.
Speaker 2: All, THE reporting, YEAH i, MEAN i look i This
is why i'm not high On this for. Miami AT
all like i understand if You, CAN get, Yannis i
well i'm, Gonna, say this yeah books Are Not, getting
trey murphy Who there's no i'll turn in all those picks.
They JUST got maybe i.
Speaker 1: Might, do it.
Speaker 2: Well let. Me ask you I'VE telegraphed, what i think
just in broad strokes of how much sense This makes
from miami side And from. The honest's side, to be
honest do you agree that like this isn't a good
spot for him if he's trying to Win a championship
and this actually isn't the type of move that You
that the heat seem to think it is given all the.
COMPLICATIONS they, FACED i.
Speaker 1: Mean i feel like this is A move that heat
had to make if they weren't gonna hit whatever a
reset looks like in the. New lottery system.
Speaker 2: But it Is it Though i'm not I'm asking as
i'm NOT sure cause i, Get it right like you can,
get y honest you should, get y honest Especially for
the heater just like always just star hungry and have
kind of not really delivered on that. For Several Years, it's,
jimmy butler, really but like is it the worst thing
in the world to go forward with this core and
add the number thirteen pick and keep your other picks
around and like maybe you win forty whatever games again and,
you so honestly if it's a real, question to me.
Speaker 1: They were never. Gonna do this but the move was To.
Trade vam adebayo that was that was the if you
Weren't gonna get yannis for what amounts to A pittance.
In gianni's terms and, by the way that's something that's.
Related TO this yannis i think fucked Up, because he's.
Speaker 2: Yes he's the biggest loser in, all of this if
you if you want to really, lay it.
Speaker 1: Out because yeah he'll, get his extension which will be
Eligible for in, january four years two hundred and. Seventy three,
MILLION right now i think it. Projects to BE but
he i think it mentioned this in an. Interview once
too it might have been years ago that he's worried
about the team trading for him giving. Up too much
so what is? He LEFT with do i think the
heat drew you have, a better second best player than
you would Have. Had in milwaukee now you could Also,
ask in bam but you could have also asked you
have a, better coach Too Like just aer spolser might
be the best COACH. In, the nba sure with, that
being said could you make the case that had He
stayed in milwaukee and they traded the three first round
picks they were. Eligible to Trade that the bucks could
have been in a Better position with giannis than the
current version of The heat with. Giannis this season if
you even have to think for maybe in two, seconds,
about it right. That's a problem and this is it's
not on the level that he he needed to. Request
a trade and just like the whole him trying to
win or his camp trying to win the pr game.
Was just awful this was. Like it own it. Did
the whole he communicated and he. Wouldn't sign extension that's
akin to. Requesting a trade what are we doing Here?
At the pretzels and you did this for what felt
like two years, at this point and SO he really
i think he he messed it. Up for himself and
then he didn't want to Go to certain he was
only willing to sign An extension With boston Or. Minnesota
or miami minnesota never had a real pathway A good
when it was funny When they TRADED randall and i,
saw somebody like is this a Precursor to? A GIANNIS move,
and i said so they got rid of a, first
round pick and it's more. Likely, that, THEY yeah sure
i think that he could have done. Himself a favor
if you wanted To, Go, to miami yeah would, have
gotten ugly but it already. Got an ugly you should
have applied more, Pressure and said i'm not signing an Extension.
Anywhere but miami And then maybe miami is doesn't have
To take on portis or Gets off the yovich deal it.
Speaker 2: Or pulls a pick out of there that they can
use to Supplement. THE new core i think what he
should if it was Just down To, boston, and miami
realistically he should have done the, opposite and said it Needs,
to be boston. Make it happen i'm not. Extending anywhere
else and Then That's. Just jalen brown and now You're
Playing with Jason Tatum and Derek White and Peyton pritchard
and cada and and like, if you were if you
were remotely serious about hoping to, win another championship you
You go To boston over miami a million times out.
Of a million maybe you know what heat culture or,
spoolstrow all this maybe like they'll pull. THEY'LL make magic,
I just like i'm So sick of i'm so sick
of THE like all i want to, do is win
and then you just act in ways that are in
direct and blatant opposition to, That stated aim like it's
insane to, It's such, bullshit, AND like honestly i am
at a point NOW where like I find like i
just don't understand What he what. Yiannis is thinking it
doesn't make, Sense to me like it's been the, way
you mentioned the way they handled the like, non trade,
demand trade demand and like the way that he steered
himself to a team that makes that doesn't make sense
that like strip the roster of everything to get like,
do you like is is no one, telling, him like
hey here's who's gonna be there when, You get there
here's here are the here are the hurdles they will
have to face to, Surround you with like anything does?
This concern you do you see how this maybe limits
your opportunity to win a championship if you actually, care
ABOUT that which i. THINK he does i. JUST don't
think i don't know it's either Him or his he's
not being advised by anybody that like understands how any,
Of THIS works so. I don't know it's like, baffling
to me how Is? It not boston.
Speaker 1: If he was it it comes back to, what you
said if he was, serious about winning he would because that,
was The one whereas boston seems like it put its
best offer on the table And Was a jayleen brown
in two picks is. A, real offer.
Speaker 2: Yeah he even.
Speaker 1: Make, the case okay there's not a ton there's still
the same amount of bodies left and a little. Bit,
more flexibility sure but. You're absolutely right also a lot
of this could have been nipped. In the butt he
just been more firm about this. From.
Speaker 2: The, BEGINNING yeah yeah i don't know how, much MY
criticism like i don't know, how long ago what like
five cycles of? Will They trade yiannis ago was just
like he can't Look at this bucks roster and see.
Speaker 1: A title.
Speaker 2: Contender he, CAN'T it's, Like i know, i've said this
like it's totally it's absurd to look at this team
and say we can win. A title here so like pull,
the trigger then however long ago that was just. Stringing
it out is again just like a total just like
divorce from reality AND how. The nba works i'm never.
Gonna understand it, you know what if you want here's. The,
only explanation sentimentally he just wanted To stay in milwaukee
and was irrational about it because. He had, feelings and
like if, THAT'S the EXPLANATION i. GUESS i can i can.
Live with that that. Pass your muster but, LIKE beyond
THAT i just i it's it's gonna mystify me. UNTIL
just FOREVER i don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know there's so when you're looking at the,
heat right now do you even think that they have? Enough,
ball handling well there's a lot to. Talk about shooting
well You Think that, pelly Larson's there but giannis has to.
Speaker 2: Have the ball that's what that. Makes, him good uh
we can talk about like How good is giannis given
the availability and the athleticism based game he has and.
THE decline saw i saw a very discouraging chart somebody
put up of the aging curves Of guys Like, duncan
AND dirk and I think maybe garnett was. The other one, and,
it's like also like it's it's getting it's Like right
as janis is hitting this age, and, it's, like Well
yeah but duncan was still. An elite defender. Janice is
not dirk was. An elite shooter JANICE is not. Kg
elite defender jannie is not that so like the decline
could be even steeper for him just given his game,
ball handling wise You, Got what Mitchell, larson AND jannis that's.
I DON'T know I i think i would still cite
shooting as, the bigger concern but ball handling is not not,
A concerns Right like there's mitchell's not a pure point guard.
Really like that that's a guy who's defense first and has. Become,
A SHOOTER YEAH i. I i don't i don't see
Ranked ranked the Heat in the, east right now if
you just, had to guess they're behind the nick, out the, Pistons.
Speaker 1: The pistons are they behind? The, healthy, PACERS.
Speaker 2: Yes oh i. Would, say so yeah so, they're fit
halves the sixth. Certainly the magic now now we're in
a tier right where we're talking like We're. Fringe playing,
atlanta great, job, great job everybody great job.
Speaker 1: You it well so do you have anything Else? ON the,
heat i mean there's just they have to we go
through like it's pointless to. Go through names is they
really need to? Hope that grant and if we went
through a list of free, agents right NOW you and
i probably know. Those by heart, at this point there
needs to be a name that's willing to join them
for a steep discount that we wouldn't, even think. Of
like that they need that type, of VICTORY now and
i would argue they might need multiple of those. Kinds
of victories do you if you, were, the heat though
would you have? Made this trade orld you've what would?
You have done because if you don't trade for your
honest what?
Speaker 2: Are? You, Doing well AGAIN that's, why, I ASKED like.
I i don't Maybe maybe i've i've gone too far towards,
the like well being in the middle is not as
horrible as it used to be if you just draft.
SMARTLY and. WHATEVER i don't I don't think i would have.
Made this trade THE reasons being i don't think this makes.
Them a contender and if You're, trading for grannis isn't
that that needs to? Be? Your GOAL right and I
think that i think you could do more with the
current roster and those picks if you really want. To
swing big there will be other opportunities, at the deadline
or you could, blow it up like there's a lot
of other. Ways to go this, nuke's, their future pickwise
and it makes their present like not to me in
a most likely. Outcome meaningfully better if everything breaks absolutely
right and all this free agent stuff we're talking about,
goes their, way all right maybe they win fifty a,
some odd games and then, they're VERY scary and i
guess you have to call them a, CONTENDER that like
i just cannot sit here and say that's the.
Speaker 1: Most likely outcome do you feel any better if they
figure out a Way? To KEEP powell which. I just
don't i'm trying to work through the machinations.
Speaker 2: ON my head i, think that like?
Speaker 1: How much better not enough?
Speaker 2: To do?
Speaker 1: It not enough you wouldn't move them up like any
of the teams we, kind of name.
Speaker 2: There's, no one well Maybe they're in maybe they're in
the four to six range instead of the seven. To
nine range, IN the Conference i guess i'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna have to quip the you had A really good
i should have had you said on your cell phone
camera you did a Good. Speech on giannist i'm gonna
have to clip. That for shorts, god.
Speaker 2: DAMN it grand i can't do IT again because i
ALREADY forgot, what, i, said.
Speaker 1: Yeah great could you just recite everything? You just said
do you have anything else on the bucks OF the
heecause i want to ask you Something about the celtics before.
Speaker 2: Let's, move on yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's move on what's Next for The Celtics? And Jailen
brown because i'm, looking at this do you Feel like
WE shaan's reported i think we mentioned this at the top,
of the show or maybe it was off air leading
into the Draft of the celtics are still Taking Calls
with jalen brown now that. You honest traded do you
think that they've reached the point? Of no return like they?
Dangled him Openly And, remember kevin durant he was linked
to that in. Twenty twenty three. Now there's this he
could sit, here and Say What? Was kevin Urrant. It
was yannest but he just came out of a season
where people made fun of him because he said it was.
HIS favorite year i think he, meant more so not
just he was the, number one option but people would
counted out we were. One, of them yea by the
way they Counted.
Speaker 2: Out the celtics.
Speaker 1: There's that variable so he's now. Been dangled twice there
is his, contract three years one hundred and eighty. Plus
million dollars and then there's also does he want to
be the? Number? One option still what is?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Is go like what is? Going on? Here? What did
what what? Do they do and THE thing that i
think concerns me is that if you're Now Still, shopping
jalen brown if This wasn't a, yanna SPECIFIC situation and
i think you could have even said this had They
traded for yannest that was a risk in itself and
you were getting. The best player If You trade JALEN
brown Now i would i'd be willing to bet a
large sum of money that you're Not gonna be you're
the one sending out the best player. IN that deal.
Speaker 2: I THINK that i i there's. NO arguing that i
think there's still a way for them to become a
better team, by trading him if that's what they. Decide
to do but your, question is like what do you
do If. YOU'RE the, celtics i think because of all the,
factors you, mentioned you have they are you have to
and they are seemingly really thinking, about TRADING HIM and i, i,
GOTTA say like. I get, IT i think i think
and it's Not just like i'm certainly there's a like
a part OF it is i think people are, looking,
at like well look what He's, saying on twitch and
like look at it's there's, like the well they just
got to move, On FROM him like, i don't, KNOW
personality WISE i, think i, think you know there's a lot.
To be said if they just keep him and, make
sensible additions they're gonna be. Really fucking good so LIKE
like so, I would. Really i don't it's not a
bad outcome if they smooth all this over and they
can keep, Him at all but he. Is really expensive
he's not going to have a better season than.
Speaker 1: He just did extension eligible. In two years.
Speaker 2: You sure can't. You sure can't so there's the, financial
factors too and there's the like can we turn him
into two and a half good players like and a
pick that none of what which none of that is
as valuable as him. In a, vacuum but like there's
a Way for the celtics, to improve themselves, become more,
flexible become, cheaper become deeper become better bottom line. By
moving him do you think it's reached a point now
where they have? TO trade him i think maybe. THAT'S
the question.
Speaker 1: I don't. THINK they have, I wouldn't personally i just.
Wouldn't trade Him but if i'm Wondering if, like i'm
wondering if there's friction now behind the scenes because it's
the second time AND you got i DON'T know how
i can't remember how close They Got to kevin durant,
and twenty three this felt like you were definitely in,
the red zone if not on like the five yard line,
right or something.
Speaker 2: It's To where if, Jannis, had, said boston please, it's
done right like that's y're we're going to, do it.
Speaker 1: So which it might be easier for Him To because
kevin rant was still older in. Twenty twenty three you
could look at, You all right. It's be honest he
was PLAYING at an mvp level this year on A skeleton.
Crew bucks team you could chalk that up If your
jail brown or whatever he did say leading, into the
offseason he wants to play another ten Years, and bean
town but the fact that they're still taking calls on
him makes me believe that they either think they need
to trade him or they don't want to bankroll this.
Contract any longer and they're looking at, reallocating those assets
and that's just that's a weird spot to be because
that is kind of, an, admittance that oh the two
max model is now just not, working for us the two. Veteran,
MAX model.
Speaker 2: YEAH I mean, I i yeah i guess you could
look at.
Speaker 1: IT that Way i.
Speaker 2: Because jannis would have been it would BE different if
i think the two max in this particular Situation, with
LIKE brown maybe. I don't know it's can, you, even,
say like oh he, might be unhappy like if there
were no trade things, circling around him you know a
few times.
Speaker 1: OVER the years.
Speaker 2: I don't know i never really bought into the like
you Know what, did sean say like he's intrigued with
the idea of having his own team or some. Version
of that somebody reported, that, it's like well every PLAYER
in the nba has been the best player on their
team for most. Of their lives they would all they
all think they, can do it and they all have.
At some point like, IT'S you KNOW i don't i
don't make too. MUCH of THAT i just i, feel
like this do they have? To trade him you don't have.
To do anything but we're pretty close to, WHERE it's
like i don't know if, this is salvageable because it
would BOTHER me if i kept GETTING dangled and i
just gave you the best season, of my career Right
like he it might be the type of thing that's
like it's. Run its course maybe you know to to
cliche it. A little bit.
Speaker 1: I DON'T know so I have a This Is very bill.
Simmons of me but? What is it god? To love
grant It's ran on. Gianni's decision Making it's what. I'M
here for i. Should be offended why aren't you here?
From my rants who's the Best player the? Celtics could
acquire Trade Like. Trading, Jalen brown Okay i'm gonna i'll
throw a couple of.
Speaker 2: Names, At You, well, trey murphy right you?
Speaker 1: NOT good, ENOUGH i would, I, Would argue yeah i'm sure.
Speaker 2: It was a. Part of It You're, getting herb jones you're.
Getting other stuff, you're getting picks all that tuff?
Speaker 1: COULD you get, i, would, THINK so right. I do
it now You're gonna have now You're Gonna, Have Keaton
woggler Darius Garland and jalen brown. ON your team i
don't Care.
Speaker 2: About the pappers we're Talking, About the celtics so This.
Speaker 1: Is the so could you get You would get Jade
McDaniels for jollen brown if You, called, THE wolves right, I, would,
assume so Yeah there's a i'm, gonna say no but You.
Like jazz pot Could? YOU get. CHIP i don't i.
Speaker 2: Don't think so?
Speaker 1: Could you get it would have to be a. Sign
and trade Could You? GET austin reeves.
Speaker 2: I. BET you could i. Bet you could Could You?
Speaker 1: Get amen, thompson, Oh, YEAH easy okay i mean that
would PROBABLY be the ba the base basis. Of a
package Could you get Could You? Get? TYREE'S maxie.
Speaker 2: Nope i, Don't, THINK so.
Speaker 1: OKAY i DON'T i feel I feel like i'm out of.
FASCINATING names, there i mean the names that we went
THROUGH is just i don't know which one would make
Me as. The celtics wanted there would HAVE to be.
I would say other stuff is in multiple things attached
for them part, which IS well that's i.
Speaker 2: Think it is it is and your band and if
this cuts against like usually the winner of the trade gets.
The best player like to, grossly oversimplify it but that
is sort of how things tend. To shake out it's
just not always easy to identify. The best player we
just Talked about the Thunder getting Shake gil just alexander
with a bunch Of Picks. For paul george nobody had
Any idea that shaye was the best player. In. That
TRADE UH but i i really do think there is
a case to be Made for the, celtics getting, better
you know writ Large. By trading brown if you get
back enough good players with some picks and you get.
MORE financially manageable i do think that's. A realistic possibility
i just don't ask me to, Draw.
Speaker 1: It Out. Glasgow says Donovan Mitchell. For, JALEN brown hmm
i actually think the cav. Should Do that ys Mitchell.
BETTER than, brown, I think yeah i don't. KNOW the
player i have, a better one maybe not. A better
One What about Evan Mobley.
Speaker 2: For, jalen brown well, now that's interesting. THAT'S got INTERESTING
i think i do that as More readily AS boston
than i Do. AS the calves i THINK real that's
i kind of like That from, the, cavs side Though
You just jared allen's are five now And You.
Speaker 1: Just Jalen Brown Donovan, mitchell james harden You're probably what i'll.
HAVE to look i don't know how, much, money Is
Like because evan mobley definitely Makes Less, than jalen brown
so maybe as much.
Speaker 2: AS you, think i, mean it's well it's well because he.
Speaker 1: Actually did, qualify you're right because he did qualify for
the the. Thirty percent max so he's at next year. Fifty,
point one yeah so THIS doesn't, really i mean the
calves are potentially. A second, eight oh well they, can't
aggregate then so that's all then you to, finish second
first but you. Figure That Out so evan mobley And
stuff for jim that would be that. Would, be interesting
yeah that'd.
Speaker 2: BE like it.
Speaker 1: I like it where did you? Orde go next we
have a couple.
Speaker 2: Of, things left yeah we got To hit, THE randall trade.
I think Right So rand julius randall Goes To the
brooklyn nets with, number twenty eight who has A name that.
I Can't remember the bulls knows their way in Here And,
Get Nick, Claxton Joshua Jefferson, sir joshua Jefferson and the
wolves get, number thirty three whose name we. Don't know
yet as, we record this correct correct and, for their
trouble they create a thirty three million dollar trade exception
that they. Probably won't use what was your first reaction?
To THIS trade because i know. WHAT mine was i
think we Had the same.
Speaker 1: So my first Reaction was? What's BROOKLYN doing because i
was just like what that's? All it caught. Like they
got they moved up five spots in the draft Order To,
get julius randall but also to Get Rich. OF nick
claxton i know he had some movies dealing with a
bunch of back issues this, year OR something. BUT i
don't i still look at him as he can make.
A defensive impact. He intrigues me he stills a little
bit Of like. The driving game his contract is two,
more YEARS left and i think it declines in. THOSE
two years i was surprised that they. WENT this route
i thought more. About It though julius randall is kind of,
just the oh we need someone to monopolize touches and generate.
Looks for himself. Might work there and they don't have
their first round, pick next year so there's value in
them trying. To WIN games. SO i don't i don't
know that they GOT excellent like i really the most
surprising part of this to me ended up being they
did Not Value or nicholas klaxton had no value basically
whatso he had enough Value where the, bulls were okay just, absorbing,
his contract right but the, net And look the nets
are still working with as, WE record this i have
THEM at what i put them. In for it they
have like thirty million dollars or thirty six plus million
dollars left, In cap space so this isn't. An Capping move, but,
i'm like so what? ARE they doing i Guess They
believe darron sharp is better At Center. Than nick claxton
i'm not Willing To buy darren. SHARP is good i
don't know if He's. Better than pete he'll certainly be
cheaper with. His team option i'm very curiously how they
go about the rest of their, offseason now though, After, This, trade.
Speaker 2: Right yeah you've touched on It any in glasgow, In
THE comments like, i Just Like, so nick claxton just
like we're just like giving him like good Good. On
the bulls my, thought, was Like wow the bulls just got, him,
for nothing right and like just got A player who
i don't know he would start, for many teams, certainly
not all, like maybe half maybe a little. Less than
that and HE'S not like I don't find claxon's contract.
To be terrible it's two years and forty four and,
a half MILLION like that's, I don't, know i mean,
that's starter money but like barely AND like so i
just was Shocked that the bulls just were able to
nose in and get. Him for zero.
Speaker 1: It's a New. DAY in chicago i think the other
thing that's interesting there too is what that might do
to the center market a little bit because, the thought
process what a lot Of people, in brooklyn said Is
that the nets made this trade and they want To,
Elevate diron sharp so they're probably not going to be
in the market for. An expensive big chicago might have
been in the market for, an expensive big but now you,
Have Your, starter nick claxton so you're presumably not going
To Go after Jalen Duran or Mitchell. Robinson or KESLER
so that i, found interesting, Too, Is Okay well John
Dura and walker kesler are. Just staying PUT then.
Speaker 2: Can i do you have anything Else on THE bulls
because i want to get Back to the minnesota. SIDE
of this i as as pure. SALARY dumps go i
don't HATE it LIKE i just. I get IT you've
got i would assume A rescigens. That's i figure, they, were,
like yeah hard it's linked And then nas reid if
If we, Had i'll SAY i'll SAY i if i
had a reservation about the read contract that he signed,
JUST last summer i think, it's, that like man that's
a lot of money. For, a backup well guess who's not?
A backup anymore and guess who? Might just bet, You
know what my probably Is Better, than julius randall at
least in terms of like what you need on. A
playoff team because, of his spacing he Defended better than
randall did a younger like you go. DOWN the List
i think reid going forward is just a Better. Player
than randall he won't, have, more, points rebounds assists but
like he's just a bet he's more of. A winning
player this is coming From someone that i've gone a little,
back and forth but mostly have just been Out on.
THE randall experience i don't think he. Helps you, win,
uh so yeah you you move down five spots and
you dump sixty nine million dollars of a player that doesn't,
help you win you elevate a better player into a.
More prominent role you could have just spent on everybody
like they could have paid assume. What They did so
i'm carrying some. Water, for OWNERSHIP sorry but i think
At least a rod has a lot of like great peptiz.
Speaker 1: Wis do you actually think?
Speaker 3: That they're?
Speaker 2: INTERESTING you really i just think he could get me
onto like a lot of the good like health supplements
and things. Of that Nature uh he so if you're
trying to preserve a modicum of flexibility, as the wolves.
This ALSO helps SO i just i LIKE IT AS
i i i don't want THE only reservation i, have is,
like yay ownership cutting your tax bill. A, little bit
yeah that's not even.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: FOR me is i THINK it's very i understand, what
you're saying but IT'S very much. Tbd to me because
the Thing is, the dissum deal which, is five years
one hundred and twelve point, five, million dollars which, BY
the way i think we both took the over on
eighteen million when we did the free Agency draft, the,
patroon episode right so. Look at us it tops out
at like twelve point seven percent of. The salary cap
so that. DEAL is fine i don't think it's going to,
be a bargain.
Speaker 2: But would you it's pretty, sticker shocky though until you
go to the percentage.
Speaker 1: Like seven percent for a start and will he should
start or he'll at? Least close games, as, for you Well,
not Don dan even. Jentle's not, healthy here's, yes And You,
like jesse randall. Had to go it was about the play.
And the money but what are you doing with? This
newfound flexibility and So what the wolves are right now
is they are, eleven point three, let's just say eleven
million dollars under the tax and twenty point six million
dollars below. The first apron you don't get to sit
here and say you did this for the flexibility if you,
don't turn, around not immediately but you don't turn around
and use THE non tax eml, to get better because
you did lose some, ball handling here you. Did lose,
Scoring and look. Nasred is good jane. McDaniels is good
McDaniels has more of an OFFENSIVE package than i ever.
Could HAVE imagined but i don't think funneling More touches
to jade McDaniels. Is the answer he's not setting. UP
other teammates i think the biggest benefit when It comes
to jane McDaniels here is that he probably plays more
Four for the wolves. At THIS point and i think
those lineups could be. A cheat, code that's great turn
around and do something they probably WON'T. Use the tpe
it doesn't expire, till next summer but you it's like
When They dumped mike conley because everyone thought they were
getting ready For like, a yiannis trade and they didn't
really do anything. With that flexibility you need to do.
Something with it this, isn't ABOUT yes Do i think
randall was? Helping, them win no. That doesn't meet, you,
could say well if, he was there they would have
felt obligated to. PLAY him, one i mean, make it
awkward then bring him, off the bench like his value
is such that you still had to attach a first
round pick to get. Rid Of him so i'm not
saying they shouldn't have. Done This move and i'm with
you that the cost was low enough moving five spots down,
in the draft or maybe you still end up. With
your guy Maybe They wanted trayvon brazil and the knew
he was gonna be in. The Second round but i'm
still a big believer in and especially when you've already.
AS an organization i know there were some ownership tie ups.
AT the point i don't think the sale was completed
right When They Traded. Karl anthony towns but you've now
just entered the realm of too much cost cutting for
me without it turning. In, to anyone yes you got,
iotas SOON move but i justssume it was another one
that you, didn't need, To you know pretzel twist your
cap sheet to get iotsume move making. Under eight, million,
so Yeah yeah you're you're right, if they don't if
they don't use.
Speaker 2: The, full mid level it would be pretty disappointing. At
SOME point i'm, i just like you should. Get a
player you should, get a bad expensive player. Off your
team if it all costs you is five spots in the,
in the draft. Like that's you you could end the
analysis there and it like, makes SOME sense, but i
agree like you gotta go turn that mid level into
Like Get the anthony meltin and another wing or, Another
ball handler like you got.
Speaker 1: To turn it into something because You do need probably
even If you want jayden playing more for and YOU
have NOAs i think that you're, probably gonna want like
you need another kind of. Forward, IN here sure i
have a name for another team that's looking from another
team that's looking, to cheap Out One that tim connolly's into.
Intimately familiar with do you think they could figure out
how because they could still, by the way this, deal
isn't done so they could still expand It and use
randall's money as a means of. Taking back money do
you think that you can, compensate A team because I'm
assuming the wolves don't want to like they they're not
gonna go into the second ap and they would be taking.
Back less money do you think that you could compensate
a team To Take on devincenzo he's probably not going
to play this season and You Just take cam Johnson. Back,
from denver.
Speaker 2: Yeah That does terrence shannon? As the? Compensation do enough
or do you? Actually Need him or.
Speaker 1: Kenzo's cheap ENOUGH to where i might look at, it
and say if he's, willing to sit like you could look,
at it like what is it going to cost to
retain him? After this season based on when? HE'S not
playing i think that's.
Speaker 2: Enough, FOR sure YEAH i mean i think That would
be johnson would, be a great a great get, add
some spacing another forward that you could conceivably. Close games with,
you're still like just THE length is i mean Between
McDaniels And red and gobert and can't like you could
play those guys all together with at, The, one theoretically
yeah and.
Speaker 1: He thinks so he's ten or twenty, Three point one
so that's what ten million Bucks? Cheaper than Randall what
was randall's?
Speaker 2: Number this? Year thirty three so you.
Speaker 1: Tell in theory you Wouldn't, need To actually if denver
just wanted to Get Rid, of cam johnson you Could
Just take Cam, johnson.
Speaker 2: Beat well then we're Just gonna give denver a raft
of ship for cheaping because that would be. Even more
egregious if they're just cheaping out and Getting Rid, of
cam johnson.
Speaker 1: Well they. Yeah it does they are going, to cheap,
out so well what?
Speaker 2: Else is new? That's not Fair They, paid Christian brown
The wolves THE wolves have i would be Disappointed if
the wolves didn't. Do something ELSE but but i understand
this deal as a we got to get Out of
the randall business that's that's a, good move objectively that
opens up opportunities for better players to play more and to.
HAVE different roles. I do think i do think that's
it's defensible.
Speaker 1: On THAT level so tbd, On my end let's Talk
Really closely aaron Wiggins To, the atlanta hawks who you
were upset BECAUSE between resigning cj McCollum And Trading, for
aaron wiggins they are effectively not as dangerous of. A
team anymore i want to Talk, about the Thunder but the.
HAWKS really quickly i just thought, that, this was like they're.
KIND of interesting i loved this. Trade for them just
Take them into lukenard. TRADED player exception I Think, that
aaron wiggins despite not Being in the thunders playoff rotation,
this past year he's another sort of like. Wing type
guard you could put the bill get downhill. A little
bit he could. THEORETICALLY make threes i thought that was
a good piece Of, business for atlanta with THE exception
of i don't really KNOW that or i think they
might be Out Of the zachary resa shape business. At,
This point yeah and, if.
Speaker 2: They are then there's plenty of evidence suggest. That it's
good it's a good business to be out. Of so,
far you know it's he's, certainly, had opportunities right he,
was a start he's he's still. Obviously so young but
like it's not like they it's not like they brought.
Him along slowly the dude was like starting full time
from the jump and has had opportunities to. PLAY a,
lot i think like that's the kind OF thing where
i don't feel like this immediately means like they should or.
Will trade him it's the kind of, thing, of like
yeah well if he comes into camp and is, like
way better which is totally reasonable, at twenty one he'll
just earn his way back into the spot we, hope, He,
occupies right like it's not like it's not like just
because he's he's not playing in games or he got cut,
from the rotation it's it's, over like okay prove it
and then, if he doesn't then, well bad pick move
on and move on, At that Point like so i'm
not too. Bothered by that it is just Kind of
like wiggins is, objectively like yes you take, him for,
Nothing of course like that's, A great GET like, That's
nba player yeah you do? That every time.
Speaker 1: What do you make of.
Speaker 2: The McCullum one we haven't really talked.
Speaker 1: About, that resigning yeah it's because they knew that they
were Going To draft kingston flemings and they. Don't trust
him that's. What they knew it WAS a bad desi,
it got. IT got it i think the way he played,
in the playoffs and they just needed more kind of
creation from the, from the perimeter just who could also
space because you. Just have that you don't see.
Speaker 2: One year deals for twenty. Plus million anymore it's that that's.
Speaker 1: Also so weird it's an interesting trade chip if they want.
TO make it i was also going to, ask you
though now they have so they have him, at twenty
one can't be trade. Eligible right now of course They
have the jonathan can make. A team option, i Was
wondering does wiggans make it more likely that They decline the?
Kamica team? Option do they because you do start to
get Into, the Recess schet The, dice And, daniels The
wiggins The jonathan commit there is. A jumble there so
do you think that THIS makes it i think it
makes it more likely they pick up, the TEAM option
but i also think it makes it More likely that
John and thank amica does not begin The, season in
atlanta if that. Makes, ANY sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah i was just trying to look like they're at
one hundred and sixty three in. Salary right now the tax.
Is two hundred so like even if they brought him back,
at twenty, four they're not they're nowhere close.
Speaker 1: To The tax right so their fourteen player projection is
they has them like ten and a half million.
Speaker 2: Beneath, the tax yeah now you're Having to.
Speaker 1: Adding, kaminga there yeah so if you want to use THE,
full mL e you would go. Into the tax so
maybe you could just get, rid of it? Would? You
Rather Okay question grant Hughes as of, JUNE twenty well i.
Guess It is it's, june twenty fourth on my. Dwenty
third year would you prefer to have the non tax
payer mid Level Exception? Or johnathan, minga oh.
Speaker 2: Boy this is, where we've come this is where. We
are NOW so can i go get a fifteen million
dollar player That's Better than jonathan kaminga at? Twenty, four
three right that's.
Speaker 1: Don't Even forget. About minga's number let's even say He
was making would you prefer to have the mystery box
of THE non Tax Mla. Or johnathan, kaminga oh.
Speaker 2: Boy let me look at some free. Agents real quick stall.
For A second Can i.
Speaker 1: Get leslie already? OFF the board i could not.
Speaker 2: Off, the, board yeah boy there's not a. LOT out,
There I mean kobe white's going for more than that
One Would assume Dean Wade.
Speaker 1: Or jonathan kaminga have we? Gotten, TO that yeah i.
Speaker 2: Think you gotta you Gotta. JUST say, kaminga I mean
like Dort, WITH he yeah i think you Probably. Gotta
say kaminga but it is alarming that, that's a question
and and reasonable. Minds could disagree would you? What? Would
you where would you rather have cominga or?
Speaker 1: THE mid level I would probably I'd rather HAVE kminga
because i think that as, a trade number you could
trade it immediately and then the number. To bring BACK
that's how i. Think, about, Things, Yeah oh Glasgow. Kamingo
or levine I'd. Rather have levine simon? Close, that please.
Speaker 2: Boy THIS is really i Feel like He's i'm being
i'm being targeted. With, this, one uh okay You? Can't
trade levine, Oh, GO ahead no i was just gonna
HEM and haw i Don't know what, my Answer Is Don'l.
Speaker 1: Kloma city thunder let, the cost cutting IT'S it's the
i have we got to CALL It the. Okc summer
shred that's? Do you know how? Do you know did
you see or do you know how much money in
tax and salary they Saved By dumping andrew wiggins Who makes,
Uh I'm sorry aaron wiggins who makes under.
Speaker 2: Ten million dollars it, was, like sixty right seventy.
Speaker 1: Six million dollars that's a.
Speaker 2: Lot of. Dollars that's uh they got more.
Speaker 1: To Go though uh so they are as of now
about twenty nine point four million dollars over. The second
apron it's just Really funny because hartenstein has a twenty
eight point five million. Dollar player option so, it's just like,
So close there? What who's NEXT is what I want,
to and well, By the way i'm not applauding the,
cost cutting here they have the option of just keeping. This,
team together YEAH so like I killed the, wolves For
it the thunder just at a different level because their
roster is gonna cost half a billion, Dollars.
Speaker 2: Right right well they're now they're, under that though because
the seventy six off five, point fifty four you're in
one of the. FOUR eighties somewhere i don't think, Just,
pay it like what's? The big?
Speaker 1: Deal Who's?
Speaker 2: Next not hartenstein who's? Next to go is? That the
question like why not be? ON the, team i mean
So If, it's isaiah joe that's what saves you another
like ninety uh. Give or tape, by the way For
using the wiggins conversion of of of nine, equals seventy
six what is eleven? Point Three equal man.
Speaker 1: Miami needs to figure out a way to get in On,
the isa.
Speaker 2: Joes that'd be one to. GET for sure i mean he's, a,
Logical One, CERTAINLY kenrish williams i think you could just
decline that option, and there's seven which is what probably
fifty or something like that. That they save dort is
obviously the one that you'd have to. THINK hardest.
Speaker 1: ABOUT i suppose i think if you're trying to get
all the way beneath, the Second apron doesn't dort need
to go. UNLESS he's resigning i guess if you're thinking
we can decline Team options On dirt and hartenstein and
then resign, them for Cheaper like if hartenstein would signed
for twenty five, million a year so three and, a
half million or let you start like for four and. A,
one hundred yeah and so you can start, that at
well let's say twenty three or twenty, two or something
so we say five Million bucks would? Dort do something
is the mid level? At four years is that how?
Far he's dropped so then you're saving three another three or,
Something million dollars so then you might only need to
get rid of because when You, Look at Dort williams
and Joe is what. I'm getting at if you're not
going to change, anyone's cap pulled you gotta get rid
of two. Of those guys if you're looking to Dump. A, second,
APRIL yeah, yeah i.
Speaker 2: Mean it's funny this feels so like the conversations we
were having about like How do the celtics duck the
second like who's gonna go well, holiday for sure and
then porzingis and then but if you really wanted, to
do it it would, just be brown, like you know it's.
Definitely not white it's just funny that we're having the same.
TYPES of, conversations, i mean okay here's a it's. A
hot take i'll say it's a hot take it would
it just potentially benefit the thunder to make To not
have dort. On the roster not saying you just don't pick,
up the option but maybe, you trade him you pick
it up and trade him or, something like that just
because then you're talking about More. MINUTES for, wallace i
mean like is In McCain and mitchell and like there's
just more guard and wing minutes available and you're better
in the, Aggregate that way and obviously you save the
biggest chunk by just making that. Number go away is there?
ANYTHING to that i think the safest course is the,
when you're out you reduce Both his in hartenstein's number
and then maybe all it Takes is Either joe or.
Williams Is gone but i'm not you you could talk me, into,
just like okay we can just do better at The
spot that dort is playing more cheaply with younger players
that are. Not offensive zeros, and.
Speaker 1: It's what it's eighteen million, in, one shot right he's, on,
the books yah. Seventeen POINT two, AND i look i
mean so looking at the, CAP space teams I feel
maybe chicago, wouldn't Take him would brooklyn?
Speaker 2: Just?
Speaker 1: Take HIM well randall I think the lakers might just take.
HIM for, that, i mean yeah he would.
Speaker 2: Play for them they need they need that type Of,
guy for yeah there Are seams that dort makes way
more sense on because the thunder over Index on what.
Dort's good at there's plenty of teams that need a.
BONA fide stopper.
Speaker 1: I think that i think that's, why you're right because
you're more likely to you're gonna get more if you're
trading these, Guys You Want like aaron wiggans got you two,
Second round picks dort gets You More than Henrich Williams, or,
ISAIAH joe right.
Speaker 2: I think so i Think, so like dort you could
get a fake first or you know late for you.
Speaker 1: Could get That top. Protected.
Speaker 2: Warriors, SOMETHING yeah yeah i mean he's just he. Would
have more it's way Easier FOR random team x To
look at, dort and say like that guy could close
games for us than it is For someone like. Wiggins
for example and he got, You TWO seconds So i mean.
Dort makes more so. That's a, factor but yeah that
dude could start and close for a.
Speaker 1: LOT of Teams I think isaiah joe is going. TO
be next i don't know if That means that dort will.
NECESSARILY be Back I think isaiah joe is going.
Speaker 2: To, be next well The fact that, Wiggins Was first
like joe's the other guy like. In, THAT bucket uh
i think that if they tip Their. Hand, WITH wiggins
Yeah i think joe's. A logical, choice but grant we have.
Only two tops we Have, only, two, SORRY no no.
I got nothing i was. Just gonna, vamp go? Ahead
What's next.
Speaker 3: Trey young Resigned With The washington wizards grand use use,
them four years two hundred and twelve point, nine million
dollars which.
Speaker 1: Completely by accident is the exact amount another team could
have offered him as a four year max. In free, Agency,
m hm hey how much of a bargain?
Speaker 2: Is this deal if the reason they did this was
because they were afraid of Another Team paying tray, young
this much they should have let Another Team pay tray.
Young this much dust their hands off and say all
it COST. Us was Cj McCollum. And, corey kispert cool
we have the, Number one pick we got a lot.
Of young, talent you. Know we tried we thought we
had a reasonable deal that we could keep him on
and turns. Out we, can't oh well that's a way
better outcome to me than spending fifty plus million dollars
A Year. ON trey YOUNG i. JUST i don't i
really try to try to like give the benefit of
the doubt to like team that are, run by smart
accomplished people that like know the business and know. What
they're doing so like that's why this is so hard for,
me to understand because like this just feels like an
insane mistake that we would you care to push?
Speaker 1: Back, On, THAT no. No I don't brian windhorse said
it was the worst CONTRACT, in THE nba and i
DON'T know that i. COULD go that i Think yaka Perl.
JOELLE embiid, all.
Speaker 2: I, think yeah right it's but given, the circumstances THOUGH
like wh i think here's a.
Speaker 1: Case for that what you said to ME though when
I posted saying I'm My my tray young Trade to
the wizard takes or, aging like milk you told me
that we need to, separate THE two and i would argue.
That We don't so i'm undermining my own like credibility
here because that trade was enticing to me because you
Did It knowing trey young was going. Into free agency
so my, whole thing was they're either just gonna let
him play out, on that contract or he'll hop in
and they'll extend him off that at, a lower number
or he'll just sign a new deal at. A lower number,
and it's yes they're flexible enough to where, it doesn't
Matter But like anny davis, is extension eligible like this
makes Me less comp my, whole, thing was yeah They're
Gonna squeeze, anthony Davis too and i'm not pro, players
GETTING squeezed but. I don't think I Don't think anthony
davis is a max player in. The League Anymore maybe
trey young proves us wrong and there's something too so
many Or Out. On trey young maybe he just comes
back like a bad. Out OF hell but i don't,
like The deal and i'm with you that they should
have just. Let HIM walk and i want to know
what the stalking. Horse team was the Way that the
nets Went And got julius randall makes me think that.
Speaker 2: It, was them well it, had to be because It's,
not the lakers and It's. NOT the BULLS i assume
i like to and so who else sign? AND trade
options i suppose a sign and trade would. Have been
preferable that's that's a great outcome because You're getting your
you're getting something, in, That SCENARIO RIGHT so i i,
that to me there's that makes no, sense, that they
oh they were pushed, to do this which so does
it follow then that this was the deal that they
agreed to when they. Traded for him? Can?
Speaker 3: That be like?
Speaker 1: IS that, possible i mean the reporting says that there
was at least one team Prepared to maxim do you
think that they knew that? Before the trade because that.
MAKES it worse i have more respect for them thinking
we're gonna, get this player and we think that we're
gonna work out more of a team friendly deal because
he has. A player option THERE'S just no I thought
when i, FIRST saw, IT i said I didn't Read
i think. SHAM'S had it i didn't read the, entire
News break, and, i'm like oh there has to be
some sort of just like partial guarantee on. The final
years it's. A, PLAYER option look i think perception is
probably veered too far away FROM trade being i think
he can be a close to, transcendent OFFENSIVE player But
i don't this is not like this is a small
guard who can't provide the type of defensive resistance that
you Might Get. From kingston flemings since that's The But
or jalen brunton to, STAY WITH that i. I don't
know do You look at, washington, and say well they
have the defensive infrastructure or? PROP him. UP i guess
i mean, they have ballal they have a d, they
have car they have blakool bali, they say blool they,
have the bansa then they have a Cool. BALI enda banza.
Speaker 2: I just SAY it's It's I think trey young's best
years are. WAY behind him i think there's several, Factors
that's that like just the, statistical trend line like this
dude has not been a good three point shooter for. Like,
four years uh players don't seem to like. Playing WITH
him like i just that's going Back to. THE atlanta
stuff i think he monopolizes the ball to a degree
that sometimes leads, to GOOD offense but i think oftentimes
is gonna stunt the growth. Of young players wizards have
a lot. Of young. PLAYERS there's THAT i, just i
think like THIS is all nba, top option money and
this dude is NOT an, All nba player like he's
a he's an, ABOVE average starter i think net he's
got a big name and puts, up big numbers so
like his reputation is. Greater than that but the end,
of it all and that's, all, to say like if
they could have retained him for three years and one
hundred and, TWENTY million DOLLARS i think i would have been,
Okay with that and even that's a lot for AS
much as i, Just knocked him but this is just
like they did not have. To do this the alternative
of letting him go was like totally. Legitimate and excusable
and you know what our reaction would have been, Had, that, happened,
like eh oh well it didn't. Cost him anything you
got Off of kiss burt's money. For, this, year great
right you saved fourteen million. Dollars THIS Year so. I
i'm baffled i would be DEEPLY concerned if I were.
A wizards fan it will shock.
Speaker 1: You to Know that the wizards aren't concerned about the
price point. On this CONTRACT That was i i'm just
trying to what do you think? Their logic was that
they are just so hell bent on trying, to win
games especially now that the new lottery format doesn't reward,
you for losing or do you do you think that
there's a kernel of truth to the idea that they
believe he will prop up lift up the young, guys
around him or just the talent around people when LOOKING
at ad.
Speaker 2: I think they have to believe, like those Things And
that trey young is better than he actually is and
and all that stuff, like all right let's be. Let's
Be charitable Trey Young and anthony davis has a pick
and roll combination in theory in the best, Possible case
outcome like that's, a, That's interesting right if everybody's healthy
and everybody does what they did when they, were their
best that's an interesting possibility surrounded by a lot of. Young,
athletic players okay so maybe maybe they think they could
make Noise, In THE east like, i don't know you
could talk. Yourself into that you could talk, yourself, into
like oh the optics are bad if we just lose
them for nothing and. We cheap out we don't want to.
Be that team you know that that that comes. WITH
a cost i think it's a COMBINATION of things i
just all of which are. Miscalculations to, ME UH so.
I i don't i don't even remember what. Your question was,
I'm just like i'm trying to see it in a
positive light from, the wizard's side, or like you you
want it, to make, sense you know that's kind of what,
we're doing, here is like how can we make? IT
MAKE SENSE i. I i don't i've yet to come
across anything that even As Like a DEVIL'S advocate case i.
Speaker 1: COULD get behind i was Just trying to i'm trying
to understand it, from their perspective beyond the we thought
there was another. Max offer there, because first off that's
your justification for re. Signing a player you've kind of
already lost, the, argument.
Speaker 2: Then right right because it's it's like it only takes
one doesn't mean that's. A, rational, one yeah right that
that if, that's the reason that's the worst, reason, is
is oh we can't. Let somebody else if someone else
is willing, to pay this therefore that's his. Value to
us that's just not that that is not a logical.
Train OF thought and i might have.
Speaker 1: Mentioned this already but it does make me a little
bit more concerned about now how they're Gonna Handle the. Anthony,
davis stuff well there's initial reports that they might look at.
Me moving him we know he. WANTS an extension I
think that trey being basically the only floor general. On
this rod Like It's, not bub Carrington It's, not trey
johnson but he had that market Cornered within the. Wizard's
DEPTH chart, but.
Speaker 2: I mean look like they Came More. For Anthony Davis
isn't anthony davis if he is healthy? A? Better player
now you don't get to just say that because he's,
not ever healthy or if.
Speaker 1: You're asking like i'd rather, Have right now I'd Rather,
have trey young.
Speaker 2: Years and, Dollars being equal You'd rather have Trey.
Speaker 1: Give me trey young on This Contract. Over anthony davis i'm. The, same,
ONE yeah MAN i think i go.
Speaker 2: THE other way i. DON'T want to i want nothing
to do with. Either of them want to be very
clear at this. At These Numbers while davis davis would
not shock me if if in a healthy year next
Season WAS an, ALL nba player i. Would Be Stunned
if trey Young IS an all nba, Player next year.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have the ball in his hands and put
up a ton. Of offensive numbers what's the, to get,
well hold. On hold on To BE an, all nba
player you need to play in at least. SIXTY five,
GAMES i, said I Said if anthony, davis, is healthy
right which you don't.
Speaker 2: Get, TO do look i don't want either, of these,
guys it Seems do you so.
Speaker 1: We'd all have alcohol poisoning.
Speaker 2: If he was a big time If. If the wizards
this is one of those things, where, it's like Well
if the wizards are willing, to do this then you're
totally justified and asking like are they just Kind Of max,
ANTHONY davis like. I, Don't know well but and the.
Speaker 1: Other thing HERE too is i. APPRECIATE the candord i
don't even know if This is what davis was. Meaning
to do but do you did you see it Was
an article it was like a month or so ago
that he Went to the wizards front office and wanted
to know what the plan was to. Build the contender
so clearly you don't think That You and trey young and.
Speaker 2: When he, opened the door was everyone just like eating
paste in the room and They're like.
Speaker 1: What so it's just so you recognize that you have
like these two can't be the, face of, it which is,
by the way that's, fine to say especially when you
have such a young, talent around them but you just
went and max to one. Of them out it's just so.
It's not far.
Speaker 2: It's not good i'm, it's not good and.
Speaker 1: This is It look anyone. Wizards fans listening i've been
in the Bag for the Wizards during. THE swinger eraror
i thought they've handled everything, so just coherently they were,
methodical about it, AND maybe this i want to say
they've earned the benefit, of the doubt but this is
just completely. Inexplicable, to me well and.
Speaker 2: It's just like i'm sure you. Came across this it,
was just, like you know it's the same ownership that
Did This, with bradley beale and it's just, kind, of,
like oh right like you can you can only like
you can only hold out for so long before.
Speaker 1: It would just go. Back to this and it was
so like to see a team that just had the
number one. PICK give out, i would say what profiles
right now as one of the ten worst CONTRACTS in
the nba to actively decide this is a thing we're
gonna do just to increase is the, level of inexplicability
the best you've gotten.
Speaker 2: Fitting the best thing. You can say we've also been potting,
For two hours so the best thing you can say
is it's it's it's a better thing now to be
pretty good than it, used To Be and trey young
might help you. BE pretty good i don't think there's
any Like the the this is kind of like the
Mobile with the cavs conversation a, few years ago, where,
it's like well if they're ever going to reach the
highest level they can, with this roster It'll be because
debonsa is a generational superstar and he's the best player,
on the team in which case it makes no sense
to have a ball dominant point guard that can't defend
and doesn't shoot threes. Very well anymore like so.
Speaker 1: This least doesn't play, off the ball even if you believe, that,
she doesn't right?
Speaker 2: Can't or won't which? Do? You, pick right so, so
like you this is, a, move that yes it's defensible
if like winning thirty eight to forty four games, is
cool again which kind, Of it is but it's also
like you just got the number one pick and and
this profiles as a. Wildly unambitious move, which is. Like
you can't it's it's like it compounds the, disappointment of
like and it's.
Speaker 1: Also winning thirty eight to forty four games is only
cool again because of what it might get you, in
the Lottery which the wizards aren't supposed. To care about
like we've entered a cycle where they're supposed to. Be,
aiming bigger ye we'll see IF we're. Proven i will
i'll Be a static i'm PROVEN wrong because i love
so many of the individual Guys, on the wizards BUT
this is.
Speaker 2: I have questions I'M worried because i feel so, strongly
about it, and, it's like ah there's got to be
something you're not seeing and And hopefully for, wizards fans.
Sake THAT'S true but i don't.
Speaker 1: Know final item because We're Gonna cover DUSTY MAY when
I i think I have A mavericks look ahead schedule
tomorrow with friend Of The. Podcast Brian taporik the Blazers
hire mikeah Nor To. REPLACE thiago splitter i just need
a few minutes here to figure out how many years
guaranteed years are. On his contract i'm NOT sure if
i could. Count that high do you know how.
Speaker 2: Many it's less than, One point one so what does
that leave us more than.
Speaker 1: It's more than guaranteed for? A, half season wow. Grant
we did we did like Fifteen Minutes. On trey, young
my god.
Speaker 2: THAT was, well i, mean come on that. Warranted fifteen.
Minutes Uh yeah john hollinger had the best take ON it,
that I saw and i already. Related to, you, Whereas
said uh blazer's ownership not beating the charges with this
one one guaranteed here? Two team, options uh tough not.
Not not Good good For. MIKE and nori i, guess
you know there's only so many. Of these jobs you
got to take them when. They come open he kind
of been towards the front of the line for. A
long time you don't love this as a precedent if
you're if YOU'RE an. Aspiring nba coach.
Speaker 1: The postgame Presser, is in portland and even maybe some
of the mid game ones just got. A whole lot you, Could,
say that sure. THERE'S your winners, I will say I
Know what john Hollander Said about tom dunnan is not.
Beating the charges anyone who hasn't it go back and
Listen To the portland trailblazers OFFSEASON look ahead I Did
with danny mrang because, even in market he's Not. Beating
the chargers these are people that are like they're following
covering this. Team every day this is just he's willing
to invest, In, players though grant so this is totally
okay and it's not a. Bad omen WHATSOEVER well, it's
i mean.
Speaker 2: We don't need to go too, long on this but
it's like the worst thing you can be is a. Lame.
Duck coach right coaches get fired all the time before
they get to their last year of their deal because
the thinking conventionally, has been forever like players tune out
a guy that they don't think is. Gonna be there
it's like they're starting day one with with this with
the coach that like that's, a real if if that's,
a real thing which seems, Like it is like aren't
you just undermining? The WHOLE DEAL Like i i and
it's gotta have a negative, Knock on effect and what
are you like.
Speaker 1: And you do this because? What you're not no one's
gonna applaud you for winning. The press conference like team
when they get players to take. A team option if
you have a coach with team options alls that conveys
is you're cheap and or don't have. Faith, in him
well and like?
Speaker 2: At what cost what? Are you saving like like a
minimum sal a minute of, Vet minimum salary like that's
what that's what you're gonna take this pr hit for
and potentially like tune your players out in training camp for,
like THE calculator like i the it doesn't the. Math doesn't.
Work it doesn't it doesn't. Make any sense.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's trying to save Up For that danny avdya
or renegotiating extent next summer that they're definitely. Not gonna do.
Speaker 2: That will be, the next thing right, like if well
who knows what the next.
Speaker 1: Time they don't make any They're Linked to, anthony davis
still which doesn't make any. Sense, To me uh and
they probably can't get Him because the wizards are gonna
want to give him the maximum contract, Allowed an, extension
i'm sure but they were, in on y'all like, THEY'RE
just so i don't know what's GOING on with i not.
A fair look i also.
Speaker 2: DON'T go ahead i was in a good luck attracting
good assistants like who are even lower down the totem
Pole and like i'm gonna move my whole LIFE to
make i don't know what assistance just start?
Speaker 1: Like very much Are we gonna does this start a
cycle of undercutting among assistants and first time coaches who
just want that foot? IN the door, I, MEAN yeah, like,
i mean well.
Speaker 2: HERE'S the THING i think i would hope that the
backlash to this is so strong that like most, owners,
just realize oh that's we can't, Be Like sorry adam
Silver Said that tom dunnan can't be cheap because he paid.
So much, money for sure this team sure thought that
because he's backed by people who are richer, than him
either that that was able. To be possible recent events.
Conflict with, That, recent EVENTS yeah that I good For.
Speaker 1: MIKE and Norri i guess, I'm just yeah i'm surprised
they Even got Like jeff fan gunny to an interview.
For that job if this is, just like that is
that what happened in the interviews and they were just offering.
Speaker 2: Him like nineteen ninety three salaries, and, he's like. Oh,
pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah but with no gut and then the team options
probably would probably would didn't do you have anything else.
Speaker 2: WE'VE gone for i can't IMAGINE what else i could
possibly have to say.
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