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<v Speaker 1>Twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, good morning, welcome, welcome, welcome. It's time now

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<v Speaker 2>for a community connection right here on K one, the

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<v Speaker 2>one you dressed in day after a city council meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>We call this city Matters because if it matters to you,

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<v Speaker 2>it matters to the city. Larry Eastwood is today and

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<v Speaker 2>counselor how are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing fine? Thanks? How are you today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm do it all right. It's kind of an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>session last night. Let's get started off with the flock

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<v Speaker 2>cameras and these are license plate reading cameras. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the scenario, what was proposed? What got accomplished?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well scenario wise, well, you know, we have ten

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<v Speaker 3>of these cameras around the city and they are a

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<v Speaker 3>point in time capture. As vehicles go by, they take

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<v Speaker 3>a picture of the back of the car, they try

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<v Speaker 3>to recognize the license plate and read other details about

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<v Speaker 3>that and sore then in a database that allows the

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<v Speaker 3>police force to be able to search by that anything

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<v Speaker 3>about the nicle eavn are.

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<v Speaker 2>These video are just still shots.

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<v Speaker 3>These are just still shots and uh and they're and

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<v Speaker 3>they're not by the way, uh traffic enforcement, like if

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<v Speaker 3>if somebody ran a red light or or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, want that town because they got to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that the angle is right there, and you think

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<v Speaker 2>these are a little bit on the dicey side, Wait

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<v Speaker 2>till you put a red light camera.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, So, uh So there's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of controversy, you know, back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh on all of this. And there are people.

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<v Speaker 3>On both ends of the spectrum, those who would like

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<v Speaker 3>to see these cameras on every corner and more and

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<v Speaker 3>would like to be using them for for traffic enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>as well. And then there are those who don't want

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<v Speaker 3>them at all, one percent against them.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard from a lot of individuals pretty evenly balanced

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<v Speaker 3>from both ends of the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>And all the way in between.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh so this was a lot of the debate

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<v Speaker 3>being brought last night. Mister Kirkpatrick had sat down with

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<v Speaker 3>the police chief and and the city manager and tried

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<v Speaker 3>to work through some some regulations that some guardrails that

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<v Speaker 3>we could put in place on how they're used, how much,

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<v Speaker 3>how long the data can be retained, how many cameras

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<v Speaker 3>we could have in total, and so there were there

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<v Speaker 3>were several proposals around that or usage criteria around that,

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<v Speaker 3>in his proposal, I had a few amendments around that,

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<v Speaker 3>if we're going to have them, I would like to

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<v Speaker 3>see see guardrails around them.

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<v Speaker 1>THI we would as well, and so in in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for my.

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<v Speaker 3>Take on it, I'd like to see us not store

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<v Speaker 3>the data to really just use it as an alert system.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, the data is stored for thirty days, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was what was passed, was the thirty day retention

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<v Speaker 3>period to keep it as it has been with that

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<v Speaker 3>and uh, and so there was there was a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of discussion around that.

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<v Speaker 1>Also.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, well, we we agreed not to directly or automatically

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<v Speaker 3>share the data with federal agencies. I know there's been

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<v Speaker 3>some some concern around that as well, and so that

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<v Speaker 3>was included trying to think of other specific details there,

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<v Speaker 3>but a lot of good, good discussion around it, a

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<v Speaker 3>little little debate in there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, well, sure, I mean, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's well, I mean, I know that's mentioned as a

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<v Speaker 3>thing just because I know there's been some some targeting

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<v Speaker 3>of of Christians and others, not specifically here, because by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, I you know, in all of this, even

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<v Speaker 3>though I would like to see a reduction in the

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<v Speaker 3>usage and how these are used. Personally, Man, I think

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<v Speaker 3>our police chief and the whole police department are doing

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<v Speaker 3>a great job. Uh And and and it's also just

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<v Speaker 3>as a side note to that, I've I've been able

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<v Speaker 3>to be attending the police academy that they host years. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>the Citizen Citizen Police Academy. I've been attending that the

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<v Speaker 3>last couple of weeks. It's an eight week program. They

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<v Speaker 3>do this about once a year, I think, And so

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<v Speaker 3>I would highly encourage you to go to that. They

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<v Speaker 3>do a just a great job of just sharing all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of detailers. Yes, yes, it's it's really good, very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>And so anyway, you know, back on the flock thing,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think they're you know, they're using them responsibly.

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<v Speaker 3>Our concern probably is more about, you know, where that

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<v Speaker 3>data is shared, because we share it with a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of other police departments in this area and all around

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<v Speaker 3>and and that network is continues to grow as well

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<v Speaker 3>as far as who has access to that and that's

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<v Speaker 3>automatic access to the data while there is uh an

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<v Speaker 3>audit if we run a query against our database or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that any any other departments that have that

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<v Speaker 3>we have an agreement with can access our data at

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<v Speaker 3>any time at will and so through the through the system,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I think that was a lot of people's

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<v Speaker 3>concern as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We're some parameters put on advancing technology as technology advances.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes, yes, thank you for mentioning that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That was another amendment that I proposed. And actually that

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of came out of a conversation with Flock.

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<v Speaker 3>I've I've had a zoom call with the Flock company

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<v Speaker 3>along with the police chief and Captain Elkins as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was something they said, you know, if there

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<v Speaker 3>are concerns about advancing technology, like right now, they said

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't have anything in the works as far as

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<v Speaker 3>facial recognition or that sort of thing. But and while

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<v Speaker 3>these are a still shot in time and pointed to

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<v Speaker 3>the back of a car, they could potentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>pick up a face or whatever that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And while that data is not currently searchable, it recognizes,

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<v Speaker 3>oh that's a that's not a car. It's still out

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<v Speaker 3>there in the database, just not something you can query on.

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<v Speaker 3>But if at some point in the future they were

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<v Speaker 3>to add new features software, hardware otherwise, then that would

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<v Speaker 3>need to come through the City Council for approval for

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<v Speaker 3>us to have those features added to the capabilities of

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<v Speaker 3>what we have here.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good. Another thing that took place, and believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>I came back from the kiddie Park kickoff for the

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<v Speaker 2>campaign Sunday, I guess it was around four four thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, all my social media was

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<v Speaker 2>flooded with homeless people are gonna be fine five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and you know we're gonna put them in dinner

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<v Speaker 2>as present and all this good stuff. Was that a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of an overstatement that maybe we were seeing

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<v Speaker 2>on social media?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I and I could see on the on

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<v Speaker 3>the surface where someone might look at those proposed regulations,

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<v Speaker 3>and I say proposed, it's really a a potential regulation

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<v Speaker 3>for the Council to begin considering and forced to have

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<v Speaker 3>out there for the public to see. If if anyone,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, someone's curious about that conversation, I'd really encourage

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<v Speaker 3>them to go and watch from the webcast of last

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<v Speaker 3>night and hear mister Kirkpatrick's presentation.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was it was good to try to help

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<v Speaker 3>give context to see who is on the team from

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<v Speaker 3>the very organizations here in town. And yes, and and

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that these fines were something that is up

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<v Speaker 3>to like it says it may a fine may be

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<v Speaker 3>incurred up to five hundred dollars and that's just commonly

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<v Speaker 3>listed as a potential find for all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the maximum fine for anything in the city court.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, right, right, and so and he also presented some

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<v Speaker 3>photos there to show, you know, recent encampment near the

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<v Speaker 3>tracks out here where they're not allowed to be. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as you see with most of these encampments,

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<v Speaker 3>there is a massive amount of trash and other things

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<v Speaker 3>that accumulate needles, you know, just a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of bad things. It could be harmful to other people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and so you know, as that came before Judge Gentis,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, guys, you know, really, you know, rather than

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<v Speaker 3>imposing a fine, you could just help clean this up.

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<v Speaker 3>And so city provided a dumpster work together with the

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<v Speaker 3>police and the guys who had been in camping there,

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<v Speaker 3>and they helped clean the mess up. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what we'd like to see. There's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of compassion on this committee.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And and that's something else you can probably see on

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<v Speaker 3>that video. Webcast video is the team members UH and

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<v Speaker 3>UH that are that are part of that task force,

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<v Speaker 3>presenting lots of different perspectives in UH, in the different

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<v Speaker 3>areas that they serve in our community. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they are our neighbors, as mister k Patrick pointed out,

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<v Speaker 3>they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like any other neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>We there's also things that we would expect them to

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<v Speaker 3>do or not to do in terms of putting us

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<v Speaker 3>in harm's way or or making uh for instance, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>camping in a public restroom or whatever. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not a safe situation for.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody, for really anybody. But even that's true, not even

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<v Speaker 1>for them, And.

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<v Speaker 3>So UH and I think there's been an issue with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of those public restrooms no longer being able

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<v Speaker 3>to be locked from the inside because the locks have

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<v Speaker 3>been destroyed by people breaking into them who want to

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<v Speaker 3>camp out in there or or or try to take

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<v Speaker 3>a bath in the sink there, or you know, showering

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<v Speaker 3>the sink or whatever. So anyway, so that that's really

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<v Speaker 3>the intent is to to try to help set forth

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<v Speaker 3>some some stipulations and regulations on on how we handle

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<v Speaker 3>these situations. And as you pointed out earlier in our conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a very complicated thing. It's it's not simple.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And one thing that I think we we were

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about was we've got a vast amount of

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<v Speaker 2>resources available for people who are in trouble or who

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<v Speaker 2>are facing some uncertain ahead, and how to get that

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<v Speaker 2>information out to the folks you really need. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the things I mean this was, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's surprised to a lot of us on the

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<v Speaker 3>committee when police department brought us a list of resources,

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<v Speaker 3>because when they encounter folks and they give them a

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<v Speaker 3>list of these resources, and it was several pages long

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<v Speaker 3>of just numerous resources throughout the city that can help.

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<v Speaker 3>And the intent also is to add a number possibly

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<v Speaker 3>QR code to the signs in the parks, have to

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<v Speaker 3>find a parkway and that sort of thing for those

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<v Speaker 3>who are in need of those resources. And as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of times that I've been able to go

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<v Speaker 3>down and help with the warming shelter at be the Light,

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<v Speaker 3>I see a majority of these people will actually have

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<v Speaker 3>phones and.

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<v Speaker 2>It folks, but that that's the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they actually do.

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<v Speaker 3>And and if they don't even they know someone who

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<v Speaker 3>does word spreads quickly where the resources are. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sometimes folks will come from out of town

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<v Speaker 3>specifically because they've heard of specific resources here and they

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So it sounds like basically we just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, absolutely, really this this gets it out to

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<v Speaker 3>the public where they can they can look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Encourage you to go look at that packet, think about that,

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<v Speaker 3>Encourage you to come to the meetings. I think we

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<v Speaker 3>have one this Friday at eleven o'clock. We've been trying

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<v Speaker 3>to meet every two weeks on Fridays at eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They're in the conference room at City Hall, and I

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<v Speaker 3>would encourage people to come and you can if you'd

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<v Speaker 3>like to speak there. There's an opportunity to speak, just

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<v Speaker 3>as there is a regular city council meeting if you

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<v Speaker 3>would like to just sit and learn and take it in,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a lot of what I'm trying to do there,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be encouraged as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking with city councilor Larry East here in Bartlesville

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<v Speaker 2>and Larry, there was a council meeting rules change or

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<v Speaker 2>something to that nature. Can you explain that what took

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<v Speaker 2>place in what got changed if anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, there were a lot of It was really

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<v Speaker 3>spelling out the details of what's largely been followed for

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<v Speaker 3>years with city council meetings. There was just more specific

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<v Speaker 3>detail of how things might be dealt with to lay

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<v Speaker 3>that out clearly in black and white. There was also

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<v Speaker 3>a change for the citizens to be heard a portioned.

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<v Speaker 1>Previously it has been all all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the city of Bartlesville and all of Washington County,

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<v Speaker 3>and no longer will it.

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<v Speaker 1>Include all of Washington County.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it'll be citizens of Bartlesville, anyone who has a

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<v Speaker 3>valid business license within the city limits. Also anybody who

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<v Speaker 3>owns a piece of property within the city limits or

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<v Speaker 3>is a manager of a piece of property. Let's say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I lived in another state, owned a piece

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<v Speaker 3>of property here and had someone managing it for me,

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<v Speaker 3>had a concern about something that I wanted my property

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<v Speaker 3>manager to go and speak to the council about.

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<v Speaker 1>They would be able to come and speak to that.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other item that was added there also was

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<v Speaker 3>anyone who has basically a power of attorney to represent

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<v Speaker 3>someone here.

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<v Speaker 2>Who lives here here. Yes, it sounds like you covered

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<v Speaker 2>all the stakeholders pretty well on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it got very close, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Very close. Nothing's perfect, a pretty darnk clothes. All in all,

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<v Speaker 2>a very action packed night, A lot of but things

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<v Speaker 2>got accomplished, a lot of things got discussed, and it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds to me like a lot of things have had

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<v Speaker 2>the doors open for even even further discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that's our hope.

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<v Speaker 3>We want people to engage and and help us in

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<v Speaker 3>trying to make the right decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Alrighty, I want to thank you very much Larry for

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<v Speaker 2>coming in today. I know it's kind of rough when

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<v Speaker 2>you you work all day, work all night, and then

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<v Speaker 2>come back in on the radio the next day, but

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<v Speaker 2>thank for taking time out.

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<v Speaker 1>For us today.

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<v Speaker 2>Folks, you've been watching and listening