Speaker 1: Twenty.
Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, welcome, welcome, welcome. It's time now
Speaker 2: for a community connection right here on K one, the
Speaker 2: one you dressed in day after a city council meeting.
Speaker 2: We call this city Matters because if it matters to you,
Speaker 2: it matters to the city. Larry Eastwood is today and
Speaker 2: counselor how are you doing today?
Speaker 1: Doing fine? Thanks? How are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm do it all right. It's kind of an interesting
Speaker 2: session last night. Let's get started off with the flock
Speaker 2: cameras and these are license plate reading cameras. What is
Speaker 2: the scenario, what was proposed? What got accomplished?
Speaker 3: Okay, well scenario wise, well, you know, we have ten
Speaker 3: of these cameras around the city and they are a
Speaker 3: point in time capture. As vehicles go by, they take
Speaker 3: a picture of the back of the car, they try
Speaker 3: to recognize the license plate and read other details about
Speaker 3: that and sore then in a database that allows the
Speaker 3: police force to be able to search by that anything
Speaker 3: about the nicle eavn are.
Speaker 2: These video are just still shots.
Speaker 3: These are just still shots and uh and they're and
Speaker 3: they're not by the way, uh traffic enforcement, like if
Speaker 3: if somebody ran a red light or or something.
Speaker 2: You know, want that town because they got to tell
Speaker 2: you that the angle is right there, and you think
Speaker 2: these are a little bit on the dicey side, Wait
Speaker 2: till you put a red light camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So, uh So there's been a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of controversy, you know, back and forth.
Speaker 1: Uh on all of this. And there are people.
Speaker 3: On both ends of the spectrum, those who would like
Speaker 3: to see these cameras on every corner and more and
Speaker 3: would like to be using them for for traffic enforcement
Speaker 3: as well. And then there are those who don't want
Speaker 3: them at all, one percent against them.
Speaker 1: Uh, definitely.
Speaker 3: I've heard from a lot of individuals pretty evenly balanced
Speaker 3: from both ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 1: And all the way in between.
Speaker 3: And uh so this was a lot of the debate
Speaker 3: being brought last night. Mister Kirkpatrick had sat down with
Speaker 3: the police chief and and the city manager and tried
Speaker 3: to work through some some regulations that some guardrails that
Speaker 3: we could put in place on how they're used, how much,
Speaker 3: how long the data can be retained, how many cameras
Speaker 3: we could have in total, and so there were there
Speaker 3: were several proposals around that or usage criteria around that,
Speaker 3: in his proposal, I had a few amendments around that,
Speaker 3: if we're going to have them, I would like to
Speaker 3: see see guardrails around them.
Speaker 1: THI we would as well, and so in in you know,
Speaker 1: for my.
Speaker 3: Take on it, I'd like to see us not store
Speaker 3: the data to really just use it as an alert system.
Speaker 3: Right now, the data is stored for thirty days, and
Speaker 3: that was what was passed, was the thirty day retention
Speaker 3: period to keep it as it has been with that
Speaker 3: and uh, and so there was there was a lot
Speaker 3: of discussion around that.
Speaker 1: Also.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, we we agreed not to directly or automatically
Speaker 3: share the data with federal agencies. I know there's been
Speaker 3: some some concern around that as well, and so that
Speaker 3: was included trying to think of other specific details there,
Speaker 3: but a lot of good, good discussion around it, a
Speaker 3: little little debate in there as well.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I guess, well, sure, I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 3: that's well, I mean, I know that's mentioned as a
Speaker 3: thing just because I know there's been some some targeting
Speaker 3: of of Christians and others, not specifically here, because by
Speaker 3: the way, I you know, in all of this, even
Speaker 3: though I would like to see a reduction in the
Speaker 3: usage and how these are used. Personally, Man, I think
Speaker 3: our police chief and the whole police department are doing
Speaker 3: a great job. Uh And and and it's also just
Speaker 3: as a side note to that, I've I've been able
Speaker 3: to be attending the police academy that they host years. Yes,
Speaker 3: the Citizen Citizen Police Academy. I've been attending that the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. It's an eight week program. They
Speaker 3: do this about once a year, I think, And so
Speaker 3: I would highly encourage you to go to that. They
Speaker 3: do a just a great job of just sharing all
Speaker 3: kinds of detailers. Yes, yes, it's it's really good, very interesting.
Speaker 3: And so anyway, you know, back on the flock thing,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're you know, they're using them responsibly.
Speaker 3: Our concern probably is more about, you know, where that
Speaker 3: data is shared, because we share it with a lot
Speaker 3: of other police departments in this area and all around
Speaker 3: and and that network is continues to grow as well
Speaker 3: as far as who has access to that and that's
Speaker 3: automatic access to the data while there is uh an
Speaker 3: audit if we run a query against our database or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know that any any other departments that have that
Speaker 3: we have an agreement with can access our data at
Speaker 3: any time at will and so through the through the system,
Speaker 3: and so I think that was a lot of people's
Speaker 3: concern as well.
Speaker 2: We're some parameters put on advancing technology as technology advances.
Speaker 3: And yes, yes, thank you for mentioning that as well.
Speaker 3: That was another amendment that I proposed. And actually that
Speaker 3: was kind of came out of a conversation with Flock.
Speaker 3: I've I've had a zoom call with the Flock company
Speaker 3: along with the police chief and Captain Elkins as well,
Speaker 3: and that was something they said, you know, if there
Speaker 3: are concerns about advancing technology, like right now, they said
Speaker 3: they didn't have anything in the works as far as
Speaker 3: facial recognition or that sort of thing. But and while
Speaker 3: these are a still shot in time and pointed to
Speaker 3: the back of a car, they could potentially, you know,
Speaker 3: pick up a face or whatever that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: And while that data is not currently searchable, it recognizes,
Speaker 3: oh that's a that's not a car. It's still out
Speaker 3: there in the database, just not something you can query on.
Speaker 3: But if at some point in the future they were
Speaker 3: to add new features software, hardware otherwise, then that would
Speaker 3: need to come through the City Council for approval for
Speaker 3: us to have those features added to the capabilities of
Speaker 3: what we have here.
Speaker 2: Very good. Another thing that took place, and believe me,
Speaker 2: I came back from the kiddie Park kickoff for the
Speaker 2: campaign Sunday, I guess it was around four four thirty,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, all my social media was
Speaker 2: flooded with homeless people are gonna be fine five hundred
Speaker 2: dollars and you know we're gonna put them in dinner
Speaker 2: as present and all this good stuff. Was that a
Speaker 2: little bit of an overstatement that maybe we were seeing
Speaker 2: on social media?
Speaker 3: Yes, and I and I could see on the on
Speaker 3: the surface where someone might look at those proposed regulations,
Speaker 3: and I say proposed, it's really a a potential regulation
Speaker 3: for the Council to begin considering and forced to have
Speaker 3: out there for the public to see. If if anyone,
Speaker 3: you know, someone's curious about that conversation, I'd really encourage
Speaker 3: them to go and watch from the webcast of last
Speaker 3: night and hear mister Kirkpatrick's presentation.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it was it was good to try to help
Speaker 3: give context to see who is on the team from
Speaker 3: the very organizations here in town. And yes, and and
Speaker 3: the fact that these fines were something that is up
Speaker 3: to like it says it may a fine may be
Speaker 3: incurred up to five hundred dollars and that's just commonly
Speaker 3: listed as a potential find for all kinds of things.
Speaker 2: That's the maximum fine for anything in the city court.
Speaker 3: Correct, right, right, and so and he also presented some
Speaker 3: photos there to show, you know, recent encampment near the
Speaker 3: tracks out here where they're not allowed to be. And
Speaker 3: you know, as you see with most of these encampments,
Speaker 3: there is a massive amount of trash and other things
Speaker 3: that accumulate needles, you know, just a lot of stuff,
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of bad things. It could be harmful to other people.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so you know, as that came before Judge Gentis,
Speaker 3: he said, guys, you know, really, you know, rather than
Speaker 3: imposing a fine, you could just help clean this up.
Speaker 3: And so city provided a dumpster work together with the
Speaker 3: police and the guys who had been in camping there,
Speaker 3: and they helped clean the mess up. And so you know,
Speaker 3: that's what we'd like to see. There's there's a lot
Speaker 3: of compassion on this committee.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and that's something else you can probably see on
Speaker 3: that video. Webcast video is the team members UH and
Speaker 3: UH that are that are part of that task force,
Speaker 3: presenting lots of different perspectives in UH, in the different
Speaker 3: areas that they serve in our community. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: they are our neighbors, as mister k Patrick pointed out,
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 1: Just like any other neighbors.
Speaker 3: We there's also things that we would expect them to
Speaker 3: do or not to do in terms of putting us
Speaker 3: in harm's way or or making uh for instance, you know,
Speaker 3: camping in a public restroom or whatever. You know, that's
Speaker 3: not a safe situation for.
Speaker 1: Anybody, for really anybody. But even that's true, not even
Speaker 1: for them, And.
Speaker 3: So UH and I think there's been an issue with
Speaker 3: a lot of those public restrooms no longer being able
Speaker 3: to be locked from the inside because the locks have
Speaker 3: been destroyed by people breaking into them who want to
Speaker 3: camp out in there or or or try to take
Speaker 3: a bath in the sink there, or you know, showering
Speaker 3: the sink or whatever. So anyway, so that that's really
Speaker 3: the intent is to to try to help set forth
Speaker 3: some some stipulations and regulations on on how we handle
Speaker 3: these situations. And as you pointed out earlier in our conversation.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a very complicated thing. It's it's not simple.
Speaker 2: No, And one thing that I think we we were
Speaker 2: we talked about was we've got a vast amount of
Speaker 2: resources available for people who are in trouble or who
Speaker 2: are facing some uncertain ahead, and how to get that
Speaker 2: information out to the folks you really need. It is
Speaker 2: a little bit of a challenge.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I mean this was, I
Speaker 3: think it's surprised to a lot of us on the
Speaker 3: committee when police department brought us a list of resources,
Speaker 3: because when they encounter folks and they give them a
Speaker 3: list of these resources, and it was several pages long
Speaker 3: of just numerous resources throughout the city that can help.
Speaker 3: And the intent also is to add a number possibly
Speaker 3: QR code to the signs in the parks, have to
Speaker 3: find a parkway and that sort of thing for those
Speaker 3: who are in need of those resources. And as you know,
Speaker 3: a couple of times that I've been able to go
Speaker 3: down and help with the warming shelter at be the Light,
Speaker 3: I see a majority of these people will actually have
Speaker 3: phones and.
Speaker 2: It folks, but that that's the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they actually do.
Speaker 3: And and if they don't even they know someone who
Speaker 3: does word spreads quickly where the resources are. In fact,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes folks will come from out of town
Speaker 3: specifically because they've heard of specific resources here and they
Speaker 3: want to be able to take advantage of those.
Speaker 2: Wow. So it sounds like basically we just kind of
Speaker 2: peeled back a little bit here and we're still in discovery.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, absolutely, really this this gets it out to
Speaker 3: the public where they can they can look at that.
Speaker 3: Encourage you to go look at that packet, think about that,
Speaker 3: Encourage you to come to the meetings. I think we
Speaker 3: have one this Friday at eleven o'clock. We've been trying
Speaker 3: to meet every two weeks on Fridays at eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're in the conference room at City Hall, and I
Speaker 3: would encourage people to come and you can if you'd
Speaker 3: like to speak there. There's an opportunity to speak, just
Speaker 3: as there is a regular city council meeting if you
Speaker 3: would like to just sit and learn and take it in,
Speaker 3: which is a lot of what I'm trying to do there,
Speaker 3: that would be encouraged as well.
Speaker 2: We're talking with city councilor Larry East here in Bartlesville
Speaker 2: and Larry, there was a council meeting rules change or
Speaker 2: something to that nature. Can you explain that what took
Speaker 2: place in what got changed if anything?
Speaker 3: Yes, well, there were a lot of It was really
Speaker 3: spelling out the details of what's largely been followed for
Speaker 3: years with city council meetings. There was just more specific
Speaker 3: detail of how things might be dealt with to lay
Speaker 3: that out clearly in black and white. There was also
Speaker 3: a change for the citizens to be heard a portioned.
Speaker 1: Previously it has been all all.
Speaker 3: Of the city of Bartlesville and all of Washington County,
Speaker 3: and no longer will it.
Speaker 1: Include all of Washington County.
Speaker 3: Now it'll be citizens of Bartlesville, anyone who has a
Speaker 3: valid business license within the city limits. Also anybody who
Speaker 3: owns a piece of property within the city limits or
Speaker 3: is a manager of a piece of property. Let's say,
Speaker 3: you know, I lived in another state, owned a piece
Speaker 3: of property here and had someone managing it for me,
Speaker 3: had a concern about something that I wanted my property
Speaker 3: manager to go and speak to the council about.
Speaker 1: They would be able to come and speak to that.
Speaker 3: And the other item that was added there also was
Speaker 3: anyone who has basically a power of attorney to represent
Speaker 3: someone here.
Speaker 2: Who lives here here. Yes, it sounds like you covered
Speaker 2: all the stakeholders pretty well on that one.
Speaker 1: I think it got very close, Yes.
Speaker 2: Very close. Nothing's perfect, a pretty darnk clothes. All in all,
Speaker 2: a very action packed night, A lot of but things
Speaker 2: got accomplished, a lot of things got discussed, and it
Speaker 2: sounds to me like a lot of things have had
Speaker 2: the doors open for even even further discussion.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's our hope.
Speaker 3: We want people to engage and and help us in
Speaker 3: trying to make the right decisions.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, I want to thank you very much Larry for
Speaker 2: coming in today. I know it's kind of rough when
Speaker 2: you you work all day, work all night, and then
Speaker 2: come back in on the radio the next day, but
Speaker 2: thank for taking time out.
Speaker 1: For us today.
Speaker 2: Folks, you've been watching and listening