Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey,
Speaker 1: how are you. This week we're looking at divination divination tools.
Speaker 1: In the past, we have talked about and had authors
Speaker 1: talk about astrology using the ruins. Those are the stones
Speaker 1: that you toss iching the Toureau cards. We haven't had
Speaker 1: anybody speak on the Ouiji board because the Ouigi board
Speaker 1: has been around over one hundred years. But when I
Speaker 1: say divination tools, this is a way to connect with
Speaker 1: our higher wisdom. We have questions about our direction. We
Speaker 1: have questions about work, relationships, problems that we just cannot solve.
Speaker 1: And in the hustle and bustle of our lives, you know,
Speaker 1: working relationships, kids, family obligation, obligations, it can blur our thinking,
Speaker 1: it can blur our vision. And today we're going to
Speaker 1: present a new divination tool. It's not new, it's been
Speaker 1: around for over one hundred years, very very old, and
Speaker 1: this is pendulums. And this is a way to really
Speaker 1: zero in on what's best for you, what your higher wisdom.
Speaker 1: That can be your higher self, it can be your guidance,
Speaker 1: It can be connecting with the if you want to
Speaker 1: call them angels or special beings that are surrounding you
Speaker 1: in this in this incarnation, to get insight, to get
Speaker 1: an inner knowledge that is beyond your comprehension, beyond your
Speaker 1: ability to focus on because again it's been blurred. Your
Speaker 1: ability to make rational decisions at some point in your
Speaker 1: life could be blurred by the pressures, by depression, by
Speaker 1: just feeling just having a sense of unknowing. And you
Speaker 1: want to zero in on an answer, and a pendulum
Speaker 1: is a really great way to say, to find a
Speaker 1: yes or no question. And also I found when I
Speaker 1: use my pendulum, you could have a maybe. And typically
Speaker 1: a pendulum is a crystal, it could be a copper
Speaker 1: or gold or a silver, semi precious precious metal piece
Speaker 1: of jewelry that has a point on it, and it's
Speaker 1: connected to a chain. And you hold the pendulum in
Speaker 1: one hand, you close your eyes, and you ask a question,
Speaker 1: and out of the blue, the pendulum will start moving
Speaker 1: either forward and backward, which can be yes, or sideways,
Speaker 1: which is a no. That's how I work it, That's
Speaker 1: how my higher wisdom says, Okay, buddy, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna say to you, and you can actually form
Speaker 1: some fairly serious questions about your life and get a
Speaker 1: basic answer. Now you don't go out in complete a task,
Speaker 1: or make a serious investment or sign a contract without
Speaker 1: a little more information. But the pendulum begins helping you
Speaker 1: focus down into a question, a situation, a problem that
Speaker 1: you're unable to resolve at that time. I use pendulums
Speaker 1: when I have a problem or a question that seems
Speaker 1: fuzzy and you have to quiet your mind. You just
Speaker 1: don't pull out a pendulum and start working with it
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in a passenger seat of a car,
Speaker 1: because you have to have quiet. You have to have
Speaker 1: no movement, because you have to give the body and
Speaker 1: the connection, because what you're doing is you're plugging into
Speaker 1: the higher wisdom a chance to respond to you. And
Speaker 1: if you're moving around, if you're in a busy place,
Speaker 1: if you are distracted by music, by noise, by the
Speaker 1: ambience of wherever you're located, it's not going to work
Speaker 1: and you can't plug in. Part of a pendulum is
Speaker 1: also dowsing. You can use dowsing where you're looking for water.
Speaker 1: You hold two metal rods in each hand, and you're
Speaker 1: moving and you're closing your eyes and you're asking for
Speaker 1: connection with it can be water. You're searching for water,
Speaker 1: you're searching for a location. Some people use pendulums to
Speaker 1: find artifacts, so and that's another way to dows. But
Speaker 1: today we're talking about pendulums and intuition, and this is
Speaker 1: very important because the intuition is the critical part of
Speaker 1: our sense, one of our senses that we can use
Speaker 1: to improve our existence. We can get answers. And when
Speaker 1: we use a pendulum, that's the way to go. We're
Speaker 1: actually focusing in on our higher self, this higher wisdom
Speaker 1: that we were born with. So today's program is pendulum's
Speaker 1: and intuition, practical advice for trusting your inner wisdom. And
Speaker 1: my guest is Katrina Miller. Hey, you probably hear about
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Speaker 1: ancients and here on Destiny, but I got to tell
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Speaker 1: interesting show today. It deals with intuition and pendulums, and
Speaker 1: we haven't spoken about pendulums really ever here on Destiny
Speaker 1: and they are a tool that I believe, and we'll
Speaker 1: learn more about it today with our guests that go
Speaker 1: back very very far. My guest today is Katrina Mueller
Speaker 1: and she is the co founder of art Centric Divine Creations,
Speaker 1: a pendulum and coaching collaborative, and she's actually it's interesting
Speaker 1: we were just talking. She came from corporate world and
Speaker 1: followed her heart and developed this company. And I have,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, I haven't had anybody speak about metaphysical tools.
Speaker 1: We'll just call that metaphysical spiritual tools like pendulum. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this interview. So Katrina, welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 1: Great to see you.
Speaker 2: Thanks Cliff. I'm super excited to be here talk about
Speaker 2: pendulums and how everyone can use them to really live
Speaker 2: their life.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. So here, you are working in
Speaker 1: the corporate world nine to five, all that goes with that.
Speaker 1: What shifted you to the point where you decided to
Speaker 1: leave that and began working with pendulums and creating your own,
Speaker 1: your own company with your partner at Lana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a great question, Thanks for asking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I spent over three decades in corporate I have an MBA.
Speaker 2: I am what you would call your classically trained marketer.
Speaker 2: I worked for a lot of consumer package goods companies,
Speaker 2: marketed a ton of food, and I went out on
Speaker 2: my own as a consultant over a decade and a
Speaker 2: half ago because lots of different reasons, I wanted a
Speaker 2: little bit more flexibility in my life, and I also
Speaker 2: really truly wanted to make a difference and build stronger
Speaker 2: relationships with my clients. So I became an independent consultant.
Speaker 2: But the work that I did was essentially the same
Speaker 2: as I did as a you know, marketing director, and
Speaker 2: I continued to work with a ton of C level executives.
Speaker 2: And as I go in, I go on site to companies,
Speaker 2: and as I go in there, I would always establish
Speaker 2: a really strong bond and a really good relationship with
Speaker 2: my clients. So not only was I solving their business
Speaker 2: problems or helping them develop their next growth strategy, I
Speaker 2: also became their coach. I became their business coach, I
Speaker 2: became their life coach. I helped them navigate the issues
Speaker 2: with the board of directors.
Speaker 1: This more you were working in the corporate world m hm,
Speaker 1: So you actually developed more of a personal relationship interesting
Speaker 1: with my clients.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm looking you know, I'm looking at you know,
Speaker 2: what I've been doing. And the parts of my work
Speaker 2: that was the most satisfying were the coaching pieces, Like
Speaker 2: when I really truly helped my clients not just drive
Speaker 2: business growth, I was able to help them transform their lives,
Speaker 2: not just their professional lives. But you got to look
Speaker 2: at the whole person, right, so you've got to be
Speaker 2: able to help them, you know, with all aspects. So
Speaker 2: I was always like that safe space, right, Like I'm comming,
Speaker 2: I'm a consultant. I'm safe to work with because I'm
Speaker 2: not really playing politics. I'm not out to get anybody's
Speaker 2: corporate job, so it's easy to confide in me, right.
Speaker 2: So I loved coaching people to really get to their truth,
Speaker 2: to understand what their values are and how to live
Speaker 2: their life, their business, their professional life, and their personal
Speaker 2: life from their heart center, from a place of you know,
Speaker 2: the values that really truly matter to them. And it's
Speaker 2: a brave thing to do because you know, we're so
Speaker 2: conditioned by society to not do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to say that it's interesting to hear
Speaker 1: how you went beyond just the business of numbers and
Speaker 1: getting the client's business to being on a more of
Speaker 1: a personal and I'm interesting to hear what that means,
Speaker 1: more of a personal relationship. Are you sitting there across
Speaker 1: the desk from them and going, what's going on with
Speaker 1: you today? What's going on with your mind? I mean,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of personally So you have to have
Speaker 1: a unique clients to kind of say, hey, will you
Speaker 1: shut up? I don't want to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, they're the ones to start offering
Speaker 2: it up because oh, okay, yeah, because I just I'm
Speaker 2: that safe space like I come in, I'm not judging.
Speaker 2: I am clearly there to be of service, and I
Speaker 2: am there to help transform their business, but I'm also
Speaker 2: there to help transform their life.
Speaker 1: In your relationship where they're kind of feeling I can talk,
Speaker 1: I can I can open up to her, right, which
Speaker 1: is kind of cool, which means that you are a shaman,
Speaker 1: aren't you?
Speaker 2: Maybe in a past life?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of teasing you, right.
Speaker 2: Who knows. I just I just love to make a difference. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And when I can make a difference, that's beyond the business.
Speaker 2: That is so much more rewarding to me. And when
Speaker 2: I realized that I was so drawn to the coaching
Speaker 2: aspect of my business practice, I decided that I am
Speaker 2: going to go and become legitimate. I'm going to go
Speaker 2: get certified as a life coach. And the perfect time
Speaker 2: to do that was during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Yeah I read that interest right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I signed up to get my certification. Everything was
Speaker 2: over zoom, and I'm taking my certification classes and there's
Speaker 2: all these other great people that are meeting meetings through
Speaker 2: this program over Zoom, and one of those people was
Speaker 2: my business partner, Lana, and we just started like we
Speaker 2: were I think divinely guided to just kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: get together and start collaborating because we were being placed
Speaker 2: in breakout sessions together when we were getting our life
Speaker 2: coaching certifications and it's like, oh, it's you again, Hello.
Speaker 2: So when we could actually meet in person, we started collaborating.
Speaker 2: From a professional standpoint, We're like, Okay, now that we're
Speaker 2: both certified life coaches, let's help each other and build
Speaker 2: out our coaching practices and do some do some corporate work.
Speaker 2: And so we started doing that. We started doing corporate coaching,
Speaker 2: and I think there was a time where I was
Speaker 2: trying to make a decision and Lana I asked me,
Speaker 2: have you ever thought of using a pendulum to help
Speaker 2: you make your decision? And I looked at her and
Speaker 2: I say, what is a pendulum? And so she showed
Speaker 2: me using like her necklace. Was anything weighted on a
Speaker 2: string and be a pendulum? She showed me what you
Speaker 2: how to use a pendulum? How do you calibrated for
Speaker 2: you yes, movement, for your move no movement? And then
Speaker 2: how do you ask questions? And one of our hobbies
Speaker 2: at that point was to make beaded bracelets just for fun,
Speaker 2: because we wanted to take a break and just do
Speaker 2: some crafts. So I'm like, you know, think you now,
Speaker 2: I got all these crystal and jumped one beads, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go like figure it out. I'm gonna go make
Speaker 2: a pendulum. So I bought some craft supplies. I made
Speaker 2: a pendulum for her. I made a pendulu for me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, now we can ask all the questions. So
Speaker 2: we started making them for fun, just for fun, and
Speaker 2: our friends and family got really curious, what is this?
Speaker 2: And before you know it, you know we're making them
Speaker 2: for friends and family and we were asked to do
Speaker 2: some trunk shows and pop ups at like local boutiques
Speaker 2: and galleries and we're like, okay, we could try this,
Speaker 2: this this could be kind of fun. And we tried
Speaker 2: it and realized that people were really really curious, and
Speaker 2: they were able, and they were willing to pay a
Speaker 2: bunch of money for a pendulum, and they wanted not
Speaker 2: just a pendulum, but you know the real reason was
Speaker 2: that they wanted a pendulum was because they wanted to
Speaker 2: create a connection with themselves, create this bond in a
Speaker 2: way to go within and really truly figure out what
Speaker 2: is their truth. That is the biggest thing we noticed.
Speaker 2: So we're like, okay, how can we shift our business
Speaker 2: where we can help as many people as we can
Speaker 2: find their truths. Because when people find their truth, and
Speaker 2: when people are ready to act on their truth and
Speaker 2: live their life from a place of their sovereign selves,
Speaker 2: the world becomes a better place.
Speaker 1: Amazing. What is a pendulum? Talk about the intricacies of it,
Speaker 1: and as you're describing it, also describe the kinds of
Speaker 1: pendulums there are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, anything weighted on a strain can
Speaker 2: be a pendulum. You can make your own pendulum. You
Speaker 2: could buy a pendulum on Amazon, you could buy a
Speaker 2: pendulum from heart Centric, anything weighted on a strength in
Speaker 2: a pendulum. What we truly believe is that you want
Speaker 2: to have a strong connection with your pendulum because it
Speaker 2: becomes an extension of you. It is your tool to
Speaker 2: tap into your intuitive wisdom and develop your superpower, which
Speaker 2: is your intuition. And when you're drawn to your pendulum,
Speaker 2: when you're connected to it, you tend to want to
Speaker 2: use it. If you're not connected to your pendulum, it'll
Speaker 2: probably sit in your drawer and you're probably not going
Speaker 2: to do anything with it. But the thing, the crazy
Speaker 2: thing that Lana and I have learned, is that your
Speaker 2: pendulum finds you. So we have done literally hundreds of
Speaker 2: events in person, events where we watched over and over
Speaker 2: and over. Our pendulums have basically like jumped into our
Speaker 2: customer's hands where the minute they pick them up, they're like,
Speaker 2: this is going home with me, doesn't matter what the
Speaker 2: price is. I'm super connected. I need this, this is
Speaker 2: my tool. So that's the biggest piece. It's just like,
Speaker 2: don't underestimate the importance of having a strong connection with
Speaker 2: your pendulum, and it could be one that you make yourself,
Speaker 2: but it's just a tool that you want to be
Speaker 2: able to go to again and again. I use mine
Speaker 2: all day long.
Speaker 1: Some of the classic Turn of the century pendulums are
Speaker 1: just metal with copper tips and pieces of on a chain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How far back to pendulums go? How far back have
Speaker 1: you found references to pendulums in history?
Speaker 2: You know, we kept digging and digging, and we just
Speaker 2: you realized that we could go back, as you know
Speaker 2: too before like written history. Because pendulums are also tools
Speaker 2: that have been used in conjunction with the dowsing rods
Speaker 2: to dowsing, yeah, dowsing, Yeah, to dows for underwater resources
Speaker 2: such as such as our underground resources such as water
Speaker 2: or minerals you could dowse for for you know, you've
Speaker 2: if you've heard of people dowsing with water to be
Speaker 2: able to figure out how to where to dig a
Speaker 2: well that has been around, you know, clearly for thousands
Speaker 2: of years, because then you know how people find water
Speaker 2: if it wasn't with tools such as dowsing rods so
Speaker 2: or other minerals. And it's just it's a way of
Speaker 2: our body acting as an antenna and receiving a signal
Speaker 2: that is completely not perceptible to our conscious mind. So
Speaker 2: it's one of those things that's just like what is
Speaker 2: going on, But if you are open to it and
Speaker 2: you're receptive to it, you receive a signal and you
Speaker 2: find underwater underground resources like minerals or water or whatever
Speaker 2: it is that you are searching for. So you know,
Speaker 2: those tools have been around for thousands of years. I mean,
Speaker 2: they've been used in wars to find like underground tunnels,
Speaker 2: They've been really by police forces to find missing people.
Speaker 2: You know, finding missing objects is one of those things
Speaker 2: that you know, people have used pendulums for forever. They're
Speaker 2: the uses are really truly like so extensive and endless.
Speaker 2: And where we tend to focus in is kind of
Speaker 2: getting people at their like early on in their journey
Speaker 2: to themselves. And what I mean by that is like
Speaker 2: it's like, you're curious, you want to develop your intuitive mobilities,
Speaker 2: you don't quite know where to start. You've heard about
Speaker 2: clairvoyance or clear cognizance, you don't really know what it is,
Speaker 2: but you are just ready to take the next step
Speaker 2: of your journey. So what we do is we catch
Speaker 2: people that like at that moment where they're curious and
Speaker 2: they're willing to try something new, and we use them
Speaker 2: to really truly help people connect to their intuition. So
Speaker 2: what we teach is not doubting. We feel like there's
Speaker 2: other people, there's pros who can do that. We teach
Speaker 2: people the pendulum basics of how to program your pendulum
Speaker 2: for your yes movement and your no movement so that
Speaker 2: you can see you can ask all kinds of questions.
Speaker 2: You can ask a question, is it optimal for me
Speaker 2: to order pizza for dinner tonight? You'll get a yes
Speaker 2: or no. So whatever your question is, it could be
Speaker 2: a small as is it a good idea for me
Speaker 2: to go to the Starbucks strive for you to get
Speaker 2: coffee this morning? Or is it time for me to
Speaker 2: quit my nine to five job and start my own business.
Speaker 2: You can go as shallow or deep as you want to.
Speaker 2: The answers are already within you and this is just
Speaker 2: a matter of you extracting your truth through the power
Speaker 2: of your intuitive wisdom.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the action of a pendulum. The body,
Speaker 1: the human, the user is the I don't know how
Speaker 1: you describe the action, and then the pendulum is the
Speaker 1: tool to present the data. So it's the title of
Speaker 1: the book is Pendulums and Intuition. So, by the way,
Speaker 1: the subtitle is practical Advice for trusting your inner wisdom.
Speaker 1: So talk about how the two interact with each other,
Speaker 1: and how the the what where the data is coming from,
Speaker 1: the answers, the questions, the whatever you want to get.
Speaker 2: Yes, a good, good question, because we get asked this
Speaker 2: all the time. So imagine your conscious mind versus your subconscious. Right,
Speaker 2: So you're subconscious, it just it runs all your programming.
Speaker 2: You don't think about breathing. Your subconscious is running back
Speaker 2: for you. When you're driving your car. You're not really
Speaker 2: thinking about it. You know how to do what you've
Speaker 2: been programmed to do it. So your subconscious stores all
Speaker 2: your experiences, all your learnings, every class you've taken, every
Speaker 2: book you've read, every conversation you've ever had, every emotion
Speaker 2: you felt. All of that data is inside of us.
Speaker 2: But our conscious mind cannot easily tap into that wealth
Speaker 2: of knowledge that is available to us already for every
Speaker 2: day decision making. Our conscious mind is ego driven. It's
Speaker 2: going to send us on this analysis journey. Is this
Speaker 2: a good idea, do I go here? Do I not
Speaker 2: go here? What if this happens? What if that happens? Right?
Speaker 2: And then we make a decision and sometimes we tend
Speaker 2: to regret it or wonder did we make a right decision? Well,
Speaker 2: what if you never had to do that because you
Speaker 2: tapped into your truth and just knew that the decision
Speaker 2: you were making was the right decision for you. So
Speaker 2: what a pendulum really does taps into that repository of
Speaker 2: the information that you already have stored within you and
Speaker 2: your subconscious It's a matter of really truly knowing how
Speaker 2: to ask the questions the right way. And when you
Speaker 2: tap in, what happens is you are sending this signal.
Speaker 2: It's an imperceptible signal that you are completely unaware of,
Speaker 2: but it sends it through your arm as you're holding
Speaker 2: your pendulum. It's called the idiomotor reflex, and it sends
Speaker 2: a signal to have the pendulum move a certain way
Speaker 2: to answer your question. So, at the very basic level,
Speaker 2: your answers can be yes or no. Your answers could
Speaker 2: be also maybe, or your answers could be not now,
Speaker 2: which means you're not ready to receive that information. So
Speaker 2: as default, you will be asking your questions and the
Speaker 2: answer will come from your sub conscious.
Speaker 1: Now is there You're talking about the subconscious, but are
Speaker 1: there other influences like your higher self entities that are
Speaker 1: surrounded you, like your guidance, your keepers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that come too. Yes. So here's the here's the difference.
Speaker 2: So when I said, as a default, you will be
Speaker 2: connecting with your subconscious and a lot of our you know,
Speaker 2: people that we talked to, a lot of our customers
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, this is what I'm comfortable with, and
Speaker 2: they're not necessarily ready to go beyond. If they're comfortable
Speaker 2: to go beyond. And you want to connect with your
Speaker 2: higher self, you want to connect with your guides, you
Speaker 2: want to connect with your angelic team. All you have
Speaker 2: to do is invite them, and you can do that
Speaker 2: with your pendulum. Just say it with your intention. I'm
Speaker 2: inviting my optimal divine team to connect with me during
Speaker 2: my pendulum session and ask them if they are there
Speaker 2: with you, and you will get an answer. You will
Speaker 2: get a movement that's a yes or not. Every time
Speaker 2: I've done that, I always have gotten a yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my advice is, if that's who you want the
Speaker 2: source of your answers to come from, intentionally invite them.
Speaker 2: Go through your pendulum session, go through all your questions,
Speaker 2: and then when you're wrapping up, be sure to think
Speaker 2: your optimal divine team for helping guide you, and then
Speaker 2: thank them and let them go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, and I kind of that was kind
Speaker 1: of an advanced question. I should wait a little bit,
Speaker 1: but my curiosity jumped forward there. I should let our
Speaker 1: listeners know that a pendulum is usually a device that's
Speaker 1: hanging on a chain or a piece of rope or
Speaker 1: anything twying. It's got a weighted tip, and your pendulums
Speaker 1: that you suggest and that you feature in your book,
Speaker 1: or crystals, but they can be anything, I guess right,
Speaker 1: any kind of metal. Right. And then you you have
Speaker 1: the length of it. You're holding on to it, and
Speaker 1: you're talking about this movement as you're holding on to it,
Speaker 1: and you're asking a question. Are you starting by intending
Speaker 1: to have what's best for you information wise? Do you ask?
Speaker 1: Is that how you start or no, dude, not mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about asking the questions properly. That the
Speaker 2: art is in the question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do you what you want to really
Speaker 2: truly assess is what is in your highest good and
Speaker 2: what is in the highest good of all? So what
Speaker 2: I always recommend in terms of phrasing the question, you
Speaker 2: can ask a question in a way like this, is
Speaker 2: it optimal for me? Two drive to California and visit
Speaker 2: Cliff in person? So you know, I mean you want it.
Speaker 2: You always want to really truly start with is it optimal? Right?
Speaker 2: Is it optimal for me? Is it optimal for my
Speaker 2: highest good and the highest good of all to do this,
Speaker 2: this or that? So that is very very important to do.
Speaker 2: We don't recommend that you ask should I do this
Speaker 2: or should I do that, because it could be very subjective.
Speaker 2: We also recommend that when you ask the question, you
Speaker 2: keep the question in the present moment. A lot of
Speaker 2: people are like, well, my pendulum doesn't give me the
Speaker 2: right answers, Like what kind of questions are you asking?
Speaker 2: I keep asking about the future. Well, the future is fluid, right,
Speaker 2: So the future is fluid, The future could change. So
Speaker 2: you are asking what is in your highest good at
Speaker 2: this very moment?
Speaker 1: And now that's a good one to say. What's what's
Speaker 1: the present?
Speaker 2: Present moment? Focus on the present moment, and also focus
Speaker 2: the questions on yourself not other people. For example, instead
Speaker 2: of asking does Johnny want to have dinner with me
Speaker 2: tomorrow night? Ask is it optimal for me to have
Speaker 2: dinner with Johnny? Because I'm not in Johnny's subcontinent, nor
Speaker 2: should i be, and it doesn't really matter what Johnny wants.
Speaker 2: I want to focus on what is in my highest
Speaker 2: good and what is in you know, my best interest,
Speaker 2: because I am living my life from my heart center
Speaker 2: and I want to focus on the most optimal outcomes
Speaker 2: for me. So that's the only way that I can
Speaker 2: do good in the world is be true to myself.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the mechanism again, just to clarify
Speaker 1: for those who are not familiar with this technique. You
Speaker 1: are the I'm trying to think of it. You're you're
Speaker 1: kind of the computer, and the pendulum is the output
Speaker 1: data output, And so is there something below the pendulum
Speaker 1: that you create that says yes, no, maybe, whatever, or
Speaker 1: is it you're asking the question out loud and the
Speaker 1: energy is driven through you to the pendulum, which you're
Speaker 1: just holding straight right.
Speaker 2: I'm holding the pendulum straights, and I just want to
Speaker 2: make sure that you can see a cliff. I know
Speaker 2: the audience can't really see it, but I if I ask,
Speaker 2: show me my yes, my personal yes is a clock
Speaker 2: by circle circle, Show me my no. My personal no
Speaker 2: is a back and forth.
Speaker 1: It was fast.
Speaker 2: It was fast, Cliff yours could be completely different. Because
Speaker 2: everybody's an individual. We do not use pendulum boards because
Speaker 2: we want people to program their pendulum to the movements
Speaker 2: that are natural to them and their energetic bodies. And
Speaker 2: I see all kinds of movements. I see movements that
Speaker 2: are opposite of mine. I see moments sometimes a standstill,
Speaker 2: like when a pendulum just doesn't move and can just
Speaker 2: stay in place and just kind of jiggle. That could
Speaker 2: be your yes or that could be your no. So
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily use a yes no chart. I just
Speaker 2: use my body because I know what my yes is.
Speaker 2: I know what my no is, and then I when
Speaker 2: I ask a question. For example, take a look at
Speaker 2: this am I currently being interviewed by Cliff. This is
Speaker 2: my yes? So my it's my clockwise circle circle motion
Speaker 2: is Cliff wearing a red shirt. See how to just
Speaker 2: change directions really fast, really fast. And the more you
Speaker 2: use a pendulum, the more proficient. You become at this
Speaker 2: and your answers will come much much quicker to you. Sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, people have to, like, you know, stop the
Speaker 2: pendulum between between their questions, which is okay too, but
Speaker 2: you also want to make sure you give it enough
Speaker 2: time between your questions. If it needs to recalibrate, if
Speaker 2: it needs to change direction, just be patient like anything.
Speaker 2: It is a practice. And to answer your other question about,
Speaker 2: you know, how does that answer show up and you
Speaker 2: say the question out loud, Cliff, you don't have to
Speaker 2: say the question out loud because you are already energetically
Speaker 2: connected to the pendulum. You're like the receiver, you are
Speaker 2: the antenna, right. You can just think the question. You
Speaker 2: can think the question and the movement will show up
Speaker 2: for you. So it is not a speak out loud exercise.
Speaker 1: What about more complex inquiries where you're going beyond yes
Speaker 1: and no? Obviously, if you're focused on the pendulum, you
Speaker 1: can't write it down. Do you recommend people use a recorder?
Speaker 1: Because I would see people like you who are very
Speaker 1: sensitive kind of going into an altered state. Well, you're
Speaker 1: not really functioning as a you know, quarter, you're kind
Speaker 1: of like.
Speaker 2: I would encourage you to do what works for you,
Speaker 2: make the practice completely your own personally. What I do
Speaker 2: is I love to write, write down. My answer is
Speaker 2: as I go, so I can capture what is happening.
Speaker 2: So it's just for me, it's just it's a combination
Speaker 2: of using my pendulum and journaling. So that is a
Speaker 2: wonderful way to go about it. If you are you
Speaker 2: really do sort of kind of just get into like
Speaker 2: the more data brain state, brain wave state where you're
Speaker 2: just a little bit removed from the outer world, which
Speaker 2: is a beautiful place to be. It's so RESTful for
Speaker 2: your brain, and you're just so so so connected to
Speaker 2: yourself or to your optimal divine team, and you are
Speaker 2: just journeying inside yourself and figuring out what are your
Speaker 2: most optimal outcomes, what are your next steps, what are
Speaker 2: your breed choices, what is your personal truth? And it's
Speaker 2: so so so exciting. But it doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: like super super deep work every single day. It could
Speaker 2: be simple as simple as and I do this all
Speaker 2: the time. I will make my to do list, I
Speaker 2: will write down my to do list in my notebook,
Speaker 2: and then I will use my pendulum. I'll hold it
Speaker 2: over each item, and I'll say is it optimal for
Speaker 2: me to do this today? Yes?
Speaker 1: Or no?
Speaker 2: And my to do list goes from ten things to
Speaker 2: five like that. It's magical because and then I look
Speaker 2: at I'm like, okay, yeah, you know, none of those
Speaker 2: you know five items that I just crossed out were
Speaker 2: really truly relevant. And then I prioritize using my pendylum
Speaker 2: saying which which items should I do first? Which items
Speaker 2: should I do second? And once I like start executing
Speaker 2: my to do list based on my work with my
Speaker 2: optimal divine team, day floats. It's amazing how much it flows.
Speaker 2: I would encourage your listeners to try this and see
Speaker 2: what happens. It's your productivity will shoot up like crazy.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you for those that are listening
Speaker 1: or saying, this is just woo wo what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Come on, Karna, this is you know, what
Speaker 1: world are you living in? How for a beginner, is
Speaker 1: there a learning curve where you're getting yes no, yes, no,
Speaker 1: and there's your negative ego coming through and going we're
Speaker 1: going to screw with you right now? Girl? Talk about
Speaker 1: talk about beginning and how you begin at some point
Speaker 1: to lock in completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So thank you for asking. I mean, you're talking
Speaker 2: to a girl who went to NBA school. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I spent so many years in corporate and like,
Speaker 2: show me the data. If the data doesn't confirm this decision,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. Yeah, I'm data driven, and you know,
Speaker 2: I gotta have data. I gotta have the research. I
Speaker 2: gotta you know, invest in the research because that's what's
Speaker 2: going to give us the answers. So I'm not anti
Speaker 2: data right now. I don't want to say that, but
Speaker 2: I also want to say that when you use when
Speaker 2: you use data combined with your intuition, you are that
Speaker 2: much more powerful. Oh my goodness, are you that much
Speaker 2: more powerful? Think about people like Steve Jobs, Think about
Speaker 2: people like Oprah Winfrey. Think about all the inventions that
Speaker 2: have happened that have never you know, existed before because
Speaker 2: people were courageous enough to follow their intuitive ability and create, create, create,
Speaker 2: and get them out into the world. This is where
Speaker 2: the magic happens. It's like this fine, like fine intersection
Speaker 2: between data and intuition. Oh my gosh. I mean, I
Speaker 2: truly believe every single executive should have a pendulum on
Speaker 2: their desk because you will be that much more powerful
Speaker 2: and that much more successful.
Speaker 1: So talk really briefly, let's let's talk about that. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if an executive is open to using the intuition and
Speaker 1: the pendulum, what's opening that he wouldn't have access to normally?
Speaker 2: What is open that?
Speaker 1: What's he going to get from using the pendulum?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've spent I spent over a decade
Speaker 2: doing innovation work, right, So whether I'm innovating you know,
Speaker 2: new foods or new supplements, things like that. It's great
Speaker 2: to have the data, but sometimes data is expensive, black
Speaker 2: and white, tens of thousands of dollars, if not more.
Speaker 2: And sometimes if you want to move fast to capture
Speaker 2: what is happening in the marketplace, you got to take
Speaker 2: some risks, right, Yeah, So if you want to really
Speaker 2: truly maximize the market opportunities, you have to lean in.
Speaker 2: But in order for you to lean in, you got
Speaker 2: to trust yourself. You got to trust yourself that you
Speaker 2: are willing to take a risk, and you really truly
Speaker 2: understand where you as an individual stand on that particular issue.
Speaker 2: That is where the pendulum can commit. You can really
Speaker 2: truly extract what it is that is your truth and
Speaker 2: why you feel so strongly about it because your intuitive
Speaker 2: wisdom is guiding you towards it.
Speaker 1: So that's a very good point. So you're saying you're
Speaker 1: moving beyond the flat data and you want to get
Speaker 1: into the the inception of the creative flow of the
Speaker 1: product or thought, whatever it is. The pendulum is to
Speaker 1: have help you tap that, and the answers you get
Speaker 1: will give you your answers either this is a good
Speaker 1: project or a bad idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: you use a you know, you use a pendulum to determine,
Speaker 2: you know, which projects to go with or not. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you to use a pendulum. Tunno where you stand
Speaker 2: with yourself on certain matters. It's about knowing and understanding
Speaker 2: your truth and be able to discern your truth because
Speaker 2: our conscious mind doesn't allow us to easily access our truth.
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Speaker 3: latest book, Pendulums and Intuition.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. My guest today is Karina Mueller.
Speaker 1: She is the author of pendulums and intuition, practical advice
Speaker 1: for trust your inner wisdom, and we're understanding just how
Speaker 1: well the pendulums can work in our daily life. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about business just for a second, because if you're working,
Speaker 1: Let's say you're working with corn flakes and you're a
Speaker 1: new company that's selling corn flakes, and you need to
Speaker 1: decide if a theme is going to work for a
Speaker 1: ten million dollar marketing campaign and you're not sure, do
Speaker 1: you actually give it up to your highest good and
Speaker 1: use your pen you live and say this is going
Speaker 1: to be good or bad? Or should I revise the theme?
Speaker 1: I've been throwing that out.
Speaker 2: It's it is a great question. What I would encourage
Speaker 2: any any executive, any business person. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: hard set well to go after something based on your
Speaker 2: own got right. So it's a hard sell in any
Speaker 2: company if you don't have the data to back it up.
Speaker 2: So I would just you know, encourage you to be
Speaker 2: brave and to know why you feel so strongly about
Speaker 2: a certain issue, and working with a pendulum and asking
Speaker 2: all the strategic questions of yourself can help you flush
Speaker 2: out why you feel a certain way and why you
Speaker 2: want to pursue a certain direction. So it's just a
Speaker 2: matter of really truly understanding your own inner wisdom and
Speaker 2: why you feel so guided towards a certain direction. You know,
Speaker 2: you may not be able to sell that in to
Speaker 2: the board because you don't have the data to back
Speaker 2: it up. But sometimes we have to take risks, or
Speaker 2: sometimes we have to take advantage of certain market dynamics
Speaker 2: that are just you know, coming together right in front
Speaker 2: of our eyes, and we don't want to miss the
Speaker 2: boat on being you know, part of part of the trend.
Speaker 2: So we have to take risks as business people. But
Speaker 2: when you understand yourself and when you understand your own
Speaker 2: driving forces, why that risk is really truly calling you,
Speaker 2: you will be able to stand firm in your own
Speaker 2: beliefs and be able to strategize and have the right
Speaker 2: pitch in front of the decision makers that are around you.
Speaker 1: That's pretty heavy, but.
Speaker 2: It's also brave. It's brave, Like I mean, when you
Speaker 2: are your truth and you're acting from the truth, that's
Speaker 2: when you become a sovereign being, when you know that
Speaker 2: you are truly living from your heart center.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I want to just talk about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're divine being, but you're being divinely guided your higher wisdom.
Speaker 1: This is what makes this work so fascinating and so powerful,
Speaker 1: is that when you get to a point of using
Speaker 1: the pendulum and your intuition, Yeah, it's a because you're
Speaker 1: using it to get answers that you're not able to
Speaker 1: get on your own, is what I'm thinking, right.
Speaker 2: Or you're using it to get confirmation on what you
Speaker 2: think you believe. So let me just back up a
Speaker 2: little bit. So when you first start using a pendulum,
Speaker 2: I always advise don't jump into the big heavy stuff. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it starts slow. For example, start with is it optimal
Speaker 2: for me to have oatmeal this morning? Or is it
Speaker 2: optimal for me to have scrambled eggs this morning? And
Speaker 2: just figure out what your yes is and go make
Speaker 2: yourself that bar. Let's go and make yourself those scrambled eggs,
Speaker 2: and then notice, like how did I feel like? Did
Speaker 2: I feel full? Did I feel energetic? Did it like
Speaker 2: I did I show up like this morning? Meetings? Like
Speaker 2: just learn and observe that the decision that you acted
Speaker 2: upon with the help of your pendulum really truly, you know,
Speaker 2: served you was in your highest good right. So you
Speaker 2: start with those small steps and small decisions and observe,
Speaker 2: take notes, see what happens. And then when you take
Speaker 2: a look back, you start realizing that the guidance that
Speaker 2: you've tapped into is really truly the guidance that's in
Speaker 2: your highest good. And when you tap into the guidance
Speaker 2: that's in your highest good and really prove to yourself
Speaker 2: that this is making a big difference in my life,
Speaker 2: I am following my inner guidance. I feel so good
Speaker 2: about all these different aspects of myself. You start really
Speaker 2: truly developing the confidence in the practice, right. But then
Speaker 2: you're ready to go deeper. You're ready to go to
Speaker 2: deeper questions. You're ready to take bigger risks, You're ready
Speaker 2: to test your intuitive wisdom in lots of different ways.
Speaker 2: So start small, and when you're ready, just keep taking
Speaker 2: steps and steps towards bigger risks. I would not recommend
Speaker 2: that you know, your first day of working with a pendulum,
Speaker 2: you ask if you should quit your nine to five
Speaker 2: job and open it right, or yeah, should I buy
Speaker 2: the multi million dollar house on the beach. Don't quite
Speaker 2: go there. Just prove to yourself that you can establish
Speaker 2: your connection to your intuitive wisdom, to your heart center,
Speaker 2: and that the guidance that you have become accustomed to
Speaker 2: receiving is really truly serving your highest And that's when
Speaker 2: you'll become so so so brave that those big daunting
Speaker 2: life decisions won't seem so daunting. You'll feel so capable
Speaker 2: of making them because you will have such strong belief
Speaker 2: in your inner guidance that you will be an unstoppable
Speaker 2: force wonderful.
Speaker 1: As a teacher, do you see people perhaps on a
Speaker 1: shaky road, maybe getting the wrong answers, or perhaps not
Speaker 1: tapping in quite fully. Yeah, give us some examples of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's I think if you really truly
Speaker 2: like want to expect and see a certain answer, you
Speaker 2: can sway the pendulum to go that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's all about being detached.
Speaker 1: Oh, very good.
Speaker 2: And yeah, if you can figure out how to stay
Speaker 2: detached from the answer is going to serve your highest good. So,
Speaker 2: for example, if there is something that you want to
Speaker 2: show up as a yes, but you don't want to
Speaker 2: sway the answer because you're really truly invested in the truth, right,
Speaker 2: ask the question, close your eyes, Close your eyes, and
Speaker 2: then you know, open your eyes when you feel you're
Speaker 2: getting a movement, and then just be surprised to what
Speaker 2: it is. Right, So practice being detached from the outcomes,
Speaker 2: because when you're detached, that's when you will realize that
Speaker 2: the outcomes that are in your highest good become available
Speaker 2: to you. And ask the question in lots of different ways,
Speaker 2: slice and dice the question, rephrase it, come back and
Speaker 2: ask the question two three days later. You know if
Speaker 2: those are if there are some big decisions that you're making,
Speaker 2: it is important to keep asking and asking until you
Speaker 2: really truly know that your intuitive wisdom is screaming something
Speaker 2: at you that you just you can't not act upon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you made a good point, though. At some point
Speaker 1: you get into the flow, and that's critical because when
Speaker 1: you know and you probably and I haven't read all
Speaker 1: your entire book, but you probably recommend working to the
Speaker 1: point where you begin to feel that you're in the vibe,
Speaker 1: in the flow, and that is when you're guidance or
Speaker 1: your wisdom or whatever you want to call it is
Speaker 1: is very would you say, accurate, And so then you
Speaker 1: can begin asking those more complex questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's it's all about trusting yourself and
Speaker 2: as a life coach, I was trained to help people
Speaker 2: make way to their truth. I'm not going to as
Speaker 2: a co you know, tell you what is for your
Speaker 2: highest good club, But what I will do is go
Speaker 2: through a series of exercises and questions to help you
Speaker 2: lead yourself to your highest truths. Right, so when you
Speaker 2: come up with the answers, and come up with those
Speaker 2: answers that are for your highest good, you are that
Speaker 2: much more invested in acting on those answers. And working
Speaker 2: with a pendulum is just a faster way to get
Speaker 2: to that truth. We could sit and do a visualization
Speaker 2: exercise and it could take twenty to forty minutes, or
Speaker 2: you could work with a pendulum and ask a few
Speaker 2: questions and get the same outcome. And the more you
Speaker 2: work with a pendulum, like I said earlier, the more
Speaker 2: you trust the guidance that shows up, the more you're
Speaker 2: willing to act on it. And then you start really
Speaker 2: truly being in that state of flow, your flowing with
Speaker 2: the universe. You are flowing. You're not doubting, you're not questioning,
Speaker 2: you're not having you know, any cognitive dissonance that I
Speaker 2: make the right decision or not. But you're flowing with life.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's going to be easy, because
Speaker 2: we all come here to learn our lesson But I'm
Speaker 2: saying you'll stop doing a lot of the trial and air.
Speaker 1: You won't trip over yourself so much.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, who has time for trial and error.
Speaker 2: Let's learn our lessons and get them over with, right.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I don't want to keep learning
Speaker 2: this stuff over and over and over ten different ways.
Speaker 2: I just want to learn it and move on to
Speaker 2: the next one.
Speaker 1: Would you say that the founders are the ones who
Speaker 1: began using this and writing about them if there's anything
Speaker 1: written in the ancient past, discover that this is an
Speaker 1: extension of who.
Speaker 2: We are completely. This is a journey to yourself. A
Speaker 2: pendulum is just an object you can use other ways
Speaker 2: to tap into yourself. Muscle testing would be another tool.
Speaker 2: It's it's a you know, similar in nature to a pendulum,
Speaker 2: So it is it's a tool. It's just a tool.
Speaker 2: The magic is within you, Cliff, The magic is within
Speaker 2: all of us. This is all about a journey to
Speaker 2: ourselves in learning how to trust ourselves and live in
Speaker 2: a state of our truth. Because then when we do
Speaker 2: that we just don't look back. We just go forward
Speaker 2: bravely and take those risks and enjoy those precious moments,
Speaker 2: and we don't question whether we made the right decisions
Speaker 2: or not. We just live live in the moment and
Speaker 2: enjoy all the universal gifts that are available to us.
Speaker 1: Does it take over from our own thinking apparatus? Does
Speaker 1: it be come a part of us? And I can
Speaker 1: ask you this because you've probably been doing it for
Speaker 1: twenty years, but does using the pendulum become It's like
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, you know, I'm wondering what
Speaker 1: I should do today.
Speaker 2: You know I've been I haven't been using a pencylum
Speaker 2: but long. I've been using a pendulum for like less
Speaker 2: than three years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, yeah, because I met
Speaker 2: my business partner Lona again, that's right during the pandemic
Speaker 2: and yeah, and that's when, you know, it was after
Speaker 2: the pandemic is when we started this Pendulum business because
Speaker 2: we just really believe that like the universe guided us there,
Speaker 2: the universe gave us this gift and it's like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, so many people need this, so many so
Speaker 2: many people need this. And then when you listen to
Speaker 2: the universal guidance that's available to you because it's always available.
Speaker 2: And when you listen, and when you pay attention, and
Speaker 2: when you tap in and when you ask the right questions,
Speaker 2: then the doors start opening up. So one of the
Speaker 2: doors that opened up for us without us even really
Speaker 2: truly pursuing it, was this book because that just you know,
Speaker 2: landed in our that for us. The universe needed another
Speaker 2: book on pendulums and chose us to write it, and
Speaker 2: we said, okay, we are up for the job.
Speaker 1: Wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we connected with our publisher Llewellyn and they,
Speaker 2: you know, they're like, can you submit a proposal? We
Speaker 2: know what you do with pendulums. We think that there's
Speaker 2: a market for this, and we're like, okay, we'll submit
Speaker 2: a proposal. We love this, so we just follow the
Speaker 2: guidance that's already laid out for us. We tap in
Speaker 2: to ask if it's in our highest good and then
Speaker 2: if the answer is yes, then we act on it
Speaker 2: and it's available to everyone.
Speaker 1: Well, you got a big smile on your face. It's
Speaker 1: not like Cliff, I've been doing it for three years
Speaker 1: and I just don't know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Going Yeah, I shifted from you know, doing a lot
Speaker 2: of corporate work to really truly helping people connect to themselves.
Speaker 2: And it's so crazy life giving thousands of people. Thousands
Speaker 2: of people now have heart centric pendulums, and we we
Speaker 2: love this journey because it gives us so much joy
Speaker 2: just helping people like realize how powerful they are and
Speaker 2: the magic can be like at their fingertips when they
Speaker 2: hold that pendulum and it actually moves with their energy
Speaker 2: and they're like, what the heck is going on? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's you, the magic is you. Yeah, So it's just
Speaker 2: it's a self empowerment tool.
Speaker 1: Now on your website, you sell pendulums. Are these all
Speaker 1: crafted by you and your Lana? You guys make them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alana and I make all of all of the pendulums,
Speaker 2: and we also coach. We coach people on how to
Speaker 2: use pendulums. We're also you know, life coaches. We could
Speaker 2: take people on an extensive journey to themselves. We do
Speaker 2: quite a bit of speaking. We travel all over the
Speaker 2: country and we just love to talk about pendulums and
Speaker 2: educate people on how to use use one to live
Speaker 2: your best life.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, can you talk about some case studies of
Speaker 1: people in various situations and perhaps the outcome that they
Speaker 1: acknowledged using the pendulum.
Speaker 2: I mean that there's there.
Speaker 1: I mean, like somebody who had a relationship question that
Speaker 1: you were maybe coaching, and they use the pendulum and
Speaker 1: this is the outcome. I'd just be curious. I think
Speaker 1: the listeners might like to hear some examples of people
Speaker 1: that use the pendulum and got results.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are so there's so many stories that I mean,
Speaker 2: I will know.
Speaker 1: I will use the names to protect the I will
Speaker 1: mention just.
Speaker 2: A couple of couple of simple ones. So, so a client
Speaker 2: is running a company and she is hiring someone for
Speaker 2: a high level position, hiring hiring, yes, hiring an important
Speaker 2: executive for a pivotal role in her company. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well this person leots fit on paper, they have a
Speaker 2: proven track record. I'm just I'm just not sure if
Speaker 2: they're a fit. But they really do have all the credentials, this, this,
Speaker 2: and that. Well, what does your intuitive wisdom tell you?
Speaker 2: Would be the question that I would ask, And oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. Well let's try what
Speaker 2: let's try this with a pendulum. Is this the optimal
Speaker 2: hire two drive top and bottom line growth for my
Speaker 2: organization at this moment in time. Get the answer, well, nope, no,
Speaker 2: it's not. Yeah, I mean it's it's because you the
Speaker 2: person may look good on paper, but the person is
Speaker 2: not quite a fit. But our conscious mind can't quite
Speaker 2: put like like wrap it around, wrap a little box
Speaker 2: around it, and say why. But our intuitive wisdom knows better.
Speaker 2: Our intuitive wisdom deep down we can't quite articulate it.
Speaker 2: But deep down we know that they're not going to
Speaker 2: be a fit. And deep down we know that they're
Speaker 2: not going to be worth you know, the handholding and
Speaker 2: the mentoring, and you know the results are just not
Speaker 2: going to show up. But our conscious mind can't quite
Speaker 2: process it. It's what we know, like way way, way
Speaker 2: deep down inside that is whispering to us, don't hire
Speaker 2: this person and they're going to be more trouble than
Speaker 2: they're worth.
Speaker 1: So so this client or person who you're providing this
Speaker 1: case study, and she probably asked more than one question
Speaker 1: completely because this is a big deal, especially if it's
Speaker 1: a it's an executive role, that's a big position.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's just just one example of how you can
Speaker 2: combine you know, the data with your intuitive wisdom to
Speaker 2: really truly determine what are the best outcomes for a
Speaker 2: particular scenario. You know, this case, running your company and
Speaker 2: investing you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in the
Speaker 2: new hire that may or may not really truly deliver
Speaker 2: what you're expecting them to deliver. So it's combining your
Speaker 2: knowledge and experience and your intuition into making the best decisions.
Speaker 1: How about more intimate relationships, You have any examples of that,
Speaker 1: because that's where a lot of people can really slip
Speaker 1: up with somebody who appears to be a real good
Speaker 1: person and all of a sudden they have mental problems
Speaker 1: or or something that makes your life miserable and you invested.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big one.
Speaker 2: Oh, completely, yeah, I mean that's it's another great example
Speaker 2: of how you can use a pendulum. Relationships are such
Speaker 2: important integral parts of our lives. I mean, it's all
Speaker 2: we are wired to connect without our human beings and
Speaker 2: have a sense of community around us, you know, be
Speaker 2: in an intimate relationship. It's what makes the world go around, right,
Speaker 2: So it's so important to really truly know way you
Speaker 2: stand in a certain relationship, especially if it's your romantic relationship,
Speaker 2: whether it's your spouse, romantic partner. So it is all
Speaker 2: about truly asking the right questions and whether you know
Speaker 2: this person is someone that you are able to grow
Speaker 2: with or is this person presenting a codependent relationship opportunity.
Speaker 2: Is this someone who is going to try to keep
Speaker 2: us from showing up as our best selves, or is
Speaker 2: this someone who's going to encourage our personal growth and
Speaker 2: encourage our learning our evolution, because you know, life is short.
Speaker 2: We want to be partnered up with those people that
Speaker 2: will allow us to grow and thrive and be able
Speaker 2: to go and pursue the things that make our hearts sing.
Speaker 2: And either they're pursuing them with us or not, and
Speaker 2: then they're just encouraging us to do them on our own.
Speaker 1: Do you have any examples of anyone who was in
Speaker 1: a relationship and was really curious about the next steps
Speaker 1: because they were maybe getting odd signals or maybe they
Speaker 1: weren't sure and mm hmm, that's a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, there was a client who you know,
Speaker 2: was post divorce and in a relationship post divorce that
Speaker 2: you know, really served so much good because it was
Speaker 2: you know, a time for healing and a time to
Speaker 2: really you know, just know that relationships post divorce are possible.
Speaker 2: And this person, you know, for her, this person checked
Speaker 2: so many boxes. You know, this person was compassionate and
Speaker 2: had tremendous values and just had so many similar interests
Speaker 2: and they had a really, really, really good time together.
Speaker 2: So there's so many good things that were happening with
Speaker 2: this particular person. But what was also happening is that
Speaker 2: this person was ready to move forward at a much
Speaker 2: faster rate and much faster pace than she was. So
Speaker 2: they were like, Okay, it's time, you know, to consider marriage.
Speaker 2: I'm really ready blah blah blah like and she was
Speaker 2: like no. So one of the things that she had
Speaker 2: to do is dig in to herself, deep within herself
Speaker 2: and to her own inner wisdom and try to understand
Speaker 2: whether this person was going to be her long term
Speaker 2: commitment for possibly her next husband, because there were so
Speaker 2: many things that were going so well, but they were
Speaker 2: not on the same page and what was going to
Speaker 2: win out and what was what won out is parting
Speaker 2: ways because she realized that how he wanted to move
Speaker 2: forward was not at all aligned with how she wanted to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hearing you. You're saying that he wanted
Speaker 1: to get married sooner than she did. Coming off of divorce,
Speaker 1: you probably do won't even think about getting married. But
Speaker 1: were there other indicators that this guy was just moving
Speaker 1: too quickly on sounds like he's moving too quickly on
Speaker 1: a number of levels.
Speaker 2: Is that what it was, Yeah, But it's it's just
Speaker 2: it's such intricate work.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's just it's stuff that's not necessarily available to
Speaker 2: us at the surface, because you're like, well, I really
Speaker 2: enjoy being with them, I really love this person there.
Speaker 2: They bring me so much joy. So illogically, you could
Speaker 2: completely talk yourself into being with this person because there's
Speaker 2: so many pros, But when you dig in on a
Speaker 2: much deeper level in tapping to your deep, deep truth,
Speaker 2: is that's when you realize that you're just not aligned,
Speaker 2: you're just not ready, and no matter how much you
Speaker 2: can try to talk yourself into it, it's just not
Speaker 2: going to work. You know. It's just like understanding that
Speaker 2: break truth and knowing that you can voice it and
Speaker 2: let the other person know and be willing to risk
Speaker 2: the relationship ending is like that's the hard, hard work.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, you know it's happening for your highest good
Speaker 2: because you can't be on two different pages about something
Speaker 2: as important as marriage. You know it, you can. It's
Speaker 2: a great guy. It just it really should be with him.
Speaker 2: He's such a great guy. He's so nice and he's
Speaker 2: so kind. But it's just it's like he wants this
Speaker 2: and you want that, and you have to face that
Speaker 2: truth as hard as it is.
Speaker 1: What I mean, I don't know if you remember the questioning,
Speaker 1: but that is curious because that's not a one time
Speaker 1: pendulum Q and A. That's multiple q and as, after meetings,
Speaker 1: after beacons and intimacy and so forth and so on.
Speaker 1: So it could get your work. It sounds like it
Speaker 1: is immense work, and it could be months. It takes
Speaker 1: a months months.
Speaker 2: Because you know, I mean sometimes those truths, you know,
Speaker 2: as much as we see them show up, we don't
Speaker 2: always want to believe them, or we may not always
Speaker 2: want to face them, or we may not always want to,
Speaker 2: you know, be brave enough to act on them right away.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, because of the emotions and all the
Speaker 1: hormones involved with love relations, if someone's in love with
Speaker 1: a partner, is that going to affect the pendulum's outcome,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And yes, absolutely absolutely, like you know, like you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, you could force if you really want
Speaker 2: to see a certain answer, you could force it because
Speaker 2: you know, there's like an undercurrent of fear that's running
Speaker 2: through us. You know, we may not be at this
Speaker 2: point ready to walk away from the relationship, so we're
Speaker 2: fearing how is it that we're going to show up
Speaker 2: and being alone in the world and all of that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that is why we practice attachment. We
Speaker 2: practice attachment. We have to let go. We have to
Speaker 2: really truly clear our hearts and clear our minds and ask,
Speaker 2: you know, for the most optimal outcomes to show up
Speaker 2: for us. And when they do, we have to process them,
Speaker 2: like we have to sit with them, because when we
Speaker 2: are sitting with an outcome that we weren't expecting, that's harder,
Speaker 2: that's more raw, that's more you know, painful. It puts
Speaker 2: us in a tougher position. It's because there's some emotions
Speaker 2: that are coming up for us that need to be healed.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, So it's all about like bravely facing what
Speaker 2: it is that's coming up to be healed and sitting
Speaker 2: in that situation, and it could be you know, letting
Speaker 2: go of a relationship that you were in for a
Speaker 2: long time but it's no longer serving you, and allowing
Speaker 2: all of that grief and sadness and loneliness to come
Speaker 2: up and sit with it so you can actually ultimately
Speaker 2: heal it.
Speaker 1: Boy, that's it's amazing stuff. I'm curious though, when you're
Speaker 1: doing your pendulum work, is there a flow of language
Speaker 1: that you're picking up that's also helping identify the issue
Speaker 1: in your mind?
Speaker 2: A flow of language, A flow of language. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to understand that question.
Speaker 1: I think like someone who's been using the pendulum for
Speaker 1: a period of time, Yeah, I would think there's like
Speaker 1: levels of information, there's a pendulum and then you begin
Speaker 1: receiving it in language or yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it's like anything. It's a practice, right,
Speaker 2: it's a practice, and it's you can think of it
Speaker 2: as a conversation with your higher self, that all knowing
Speaker 2: part of you that wants only the best outcomes for you,
Speaker 2: that is there to guide you and has unconditional love
Speaker 2: for you, but is also invested in you learn your
Speaker 2: earthly lessons, all the things that you came here to
Speaker 2: learn and signed up for and you fulfilling all your
Speaker 2: soul contracts. So imagine it as that conversation. It's with
Speaker 2: someone who loves you unconditionally but will tell you the truth.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. The books called Pendulums and Intuition Practical Advice
Speaker 1: for Trusting your Inner Wisdom. My guest today has been
Speaker 1: Katrina Mueller. Give us your website. How can people get
Speaker 1: a hold of you? And I guess you said you
Speaker 1: do personal consulting as well as teaching, so talk about
Speaker 1: that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so both Lana and I are certified life coaches.
Speaker 2: We both have We are co founders of heart Centric.
Speaker 2: Heart Centric is a product business as well as a
Speaker 2: service business. So our products are pendulums and other spiritual jewelry,
Speaker 2: and our services we do one on one coaching, we
Speaker 2: do team coaching, we do group events, we do public speaking,
Speaker 2: we do private parties. So for anyone who's curious about Pendulums,
Speaker 2: we can have a service that addresses your needs. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and like you said, we also have a book, Pendulums
Speaker 2: and Intuition, Practical Advice for Trust for Trusting your Inner Wisdom.
Speaker 2: Our website is HC Divinecreations dot Com. And yeah, and
Speaker 2: Lona and I we both both also have our own
Speaker 2: consulting businesses versus Hearts Work and mine is client centric
Speaker 2: consulting and coaching. And so we are ready to serve
Speaker 2: you're listening and help anyone who is curious to tap
Speaker 2: into their own inner wisdom, their own truth, and if
Speaker 2: they're ready to live their best lives, we are ready
Speaker 2: to take them on that journey.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. I will mention Also, the book just came out
Speaker 1: in June, so it is brand new, and I think
Speaker 1: it's available on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Isn't it on Amazon?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on Amazon, so you can get it there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's very it's very practical for you know,
Speaker 2: a corporate executive could pick it up if you've never
Speaker 2: used a pendulum and learn all about it. But anyone,
Speaker 2: anyone who is curious about pendulums, that will teach you
Speaker 2: how to starve from the beginning.
Speaker 1: All right, So this has been fun, very informative. But
Speaker 1: as we leave Arna, who is this book for.
Speaker 2: This book is for all of the people who are
Speaker 2: ready to take that next step and connect with their
Speaker 2: own intuitive wisdom, connect with their heart center. To learn
Speaker 2: their truth and to be brave enough to live their truth.
Speaker 1: I like that for a lot of people that you're right,
Speaker 1: they're like caught up in some kind of quagmire, not
Speaker 1: sure what their truth is, and this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a great tool for kind of getting out of it. Right. Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you have a pendulums you
Speaker 1: can buy on your website.
Speaker 2: So yeah, check it out. Maybe there's one that's calling you.
Speaker 1: I am gonna check it out because I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: doing it. So Hey, thanks for your time. This has
Speaker 1: been real fun and much success on this book.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's been
Speaker 2: a blast, super fun connecting with you and sending blocks
Speaker 2: of love to all of your listeners.
Speaker 1: No, obviously, these are intuition. These are devination tools where
Speaker 1: intuition is tapped. And you know, when we were out
Speaker 1: there more we didn't have the interference of Wi Fi,
Speaker 1: the Internet and everything else in our face. Intuition was
Speaker 1: more accepted, and it was the sixth sense was more
Speaker 1: brought into the decision making. So it's going to take
Speaker 1: time for you to use the pendulum to begin to
Speaker 1: trust it on the big questions. And you want to
Speaker 1: get the big answers. But I've found it good for
Speaker 1: problematic situations where you're dealing with decision making and you
Speaker 1: need to have a little more data, and so working
Speaker 1: with your intuition helps you download that data. I really
Speaker 1: suggest you get the book too. Just came out. It's
Speaker 1: on Amazon, and yeah, it's a good one. Pendulums and
Speaker 1: intuition practical advice for trusting your inner wisdom. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have some more people like that. I think I may
Speaker 1: have somebody to come in and speak about Ouiji boards.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big one for Ouigi boards. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of scare tactics, a lot of scare advice. You
Speaker 1: bring in other entities and they can take over and
Speaker 1: create questions for you. I'm not so sure that's true,
Speaker 1: but we'll see. We'll see. Pendulums are a great place
Speaker 1: to start. You can go to Amazon or Etsy Etsy
Speaker 1: and find some really really cool crystal pendulums or real
Speaker 1: basic metal pendulums that are a copper that started about
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars and go all the way up to several
Speaker 1: hundred if you want to really fancy one, if you
Speaker 1: think you're really going to be doing some serious work
Speaker 1: where you need to connect with your higher wisdom, your intuition.
Speaker 1: Spend a little more money and splurge and spend you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks or more on a nice pendulum. You'll
Speaker 1: be surprised at how beautiful some of them are. It's
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Speaker 1: today Karina Mueller and her new book Pendulums and Intuition.
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