Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a brand new episode of
Speaker 1: The Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His
Speaker 1: name across the table from me is Tim Duckworth. Looking amazing.
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Speaker 1: So here we go. I guess a big episode today,
Speaker 1: not many topics, but I'm assuming we're gonna have some
Speaker 1: strong opinions, maybe some debate back and forth. Because the
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Speaker 1: we go WPT's announcement. It's here, Free roll baby, five
Speaker 1: million dollars free roll. That's the big announcement.
Speaker 2: Yes, love it.
Speaker 1: So I'll quickly set the table and then we'll just
Speaker 1: we'll just dive into it. So we had been waiting, waiting, waiting,
Speaker 1: as we talked about it many times on this podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, what is the WPT gonna do for its
Speaker 1: World Championship guarantee? Are they going to run it back
Speaker 1: with forty million? Are they going to decrease it? Is
Speaker 1: there any chance that they go higher? What did you say?
Speaker 1: You said fifty said, yeah, you're nuts.
Speaker 2: Not nuts. You asked me what would I do it
Speaker 2: if I was king for today, and I said I
Speaker 2: wouldn't match it, I wouldn't go.
Speaker 1: So they finally announced what they're doing, and what they
Speaker 1: are doing is a five million dollar free roll that
Speaker 1: is a marketing promotion for their new endeavor Club WPT Gold.
Speaker 1: So it is different than the regular club WPT that
Speaker 1: has been around for quite some time. We'll discuss exactly
Speaker 1: what it is, but that's that. That was the big announcement,
Speaker 1: a five million dollar free roll, what they are calling
Speaker 1: the largest free roll of all time in poker history,
Speaker 1: however you want to classify it. I believe that that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't know of any free role that was bigger
Speaker 1: than that. But it's interesting that they're they're kind of
Speaker 1: coming with that that marketing message because I'll get into
Speaker 1: that a little later.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: That also comes with the announcement, or maybe lack of
Speaker 1: an announcement, that there isn't a guarantee on the ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars World Championship. So all the eggs are essentially
Speaker 1: in this basket of this Club WPT Gold five million
Speaker 1: dollar free roll. It seems to be the heavy marketing push.
Speaker 1: Everything that you see on all the WPT channels, from
Speaker 1: all the WPT ambassadors, all that sort of stuff is
Speaker 1: free roll, free roll, free roll, five million dollars. We're
Speaker 1: going to be qualifying all these people into it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're doing that on the back end of things,
Speaker 1: no guarantee for the World Championship. So I guess let's
Speaker 1: take it back to when this was announced, what a
Speaker 1: week and a half ago or so, you see this
Speaker 1: news come across you know, what's what's your initial thoughts
Speaker 1: in the moment, if you can try and like go
Speaker 1: back a few days we are we are recording this
Speaker 1: about I don't know, eight nine days after that news
Speaker 1: initial dropped, so we've had some time to kind of
Speaker 1: think about things. But but going back to it, you know,
Speaker 1: what were your like first thoughts, like were you wowed,
Speaker 1: were you surprised? Were you let down? Like what was
Speaker 1: what was the feeling?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think my feelings would be pretty similar
Speaker 2: to everyone else in the world. I think we'll surprise
Speaker 2: there was no guarantee let down as well.
Speaker 1: But there is a guarantee.
Speaker 2: No, there isn't.
Speaker 1: It's on the free roll.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, but what I'm about to say was that,
Speaker 2: but they gave you this other little thing present side
Speaker 2: event free roll that was you know, tried to soften
Speaker 2: the blow, I would say, And I think it's not
Speaker 2: a horrible idea. I just wish that was a guarantee
Speaker 2: on the moment, that's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my my initial thoughts were, Wow, I
Speaker 1: didn't think they would do no guarantee on the World Championship,
Speaker 1: you know. I was of the opinion that they would
Speaker 1: scallop back. I did not think that they would scalop
Speaker 1: back to zero. But it's a pretty big bet.
Speaker 2: I mean, scaling back to zero better than scaling back
Speaker 2: to say, fifteen million.
Speaker 1: In my opinion. No, I think you should have just
Speaker 1: gone with fifteen million. I mean I would have gone
Speaker 1: with more than fifteen million, but I think twenty five,
Speaker 1: you know, would have been the number. And I think,
Speaker 1: like with when you do something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think so oftentimes in everything, you know, people are
Speaker 1: so concerned about spinning some sort of message or you know,
Speaker 1: possibly lying or whatever. Not that not that wt's line.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of using a general example when in
Speaker 1: the in the correct thing to do is just apologize
Speaker 1: and move on in a way, or just like admit
Speaker 1: defeat and move on, or say you were wrong and
Speaker 1: move on. In this, like in a lot of cases,
Speaker 1: in you know, real life stuff, if you just say
Speaker 1: you're sorry and move on, fine. In a case like this,
Speaker 1: you know, a poker guarantee, which doesn't involve any sort
Speaker 1: of apologizing. Just be like, listen, we shot for the
Speaker 1: moon at forty million, we missed. Maybe we got a
Speaker 1: little bit too ahead of ourselves. We're gonna pull it back,
Speaker 1: but we're still going to give you something really great.
Speaker 1: Here's twenty five or here's thirty, right, which I think
Speaker 1: is extremely achievable given one the turnout that they had
Speaker 1: last year. You know, all the brand power that WPT has,
Speaker 1: all the loyalty that people express towards WPT, and then
Speaker 1: also from everything that I could tell, all the qualifiers
Speaker 1: that they're going to have for this thing. So from
Speaker 1: what I've been told, they're still going to qualify it.
Speaker 1: From what I've been told. And also, if you've listened
Speaker 1: to the car wash that Adam Pliska has been on,
Speaker 1: He's done every single podcast under the sun. You know,
Speaker 1: if you listen to one, you listen to them all.
Speaker 1: But and I've listened to all of them, you have,
Speaker 1: I've listened to three of them. Yeah, and it's very
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. So if you listen
Speaker 1: to them one, you listen to them all. The number
Speaker 1: that they're putting out there that he's putting out there
Speaker 1: is right around one thousand qualifiers. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: really solid floor. I part of me doesn't understand why
Speaker 1: that number isn't being emphasized more, but I also get
Speaker 1: it because you're not trying to achieve a guarantee this time,
Speaker 1: so you don't need to emphasize it. Right.
Speaker 2: We're also team promote that stuff because it house built.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I'm saying in this specific situation, when
Speaker 1: you don't have a guarantee that you need to hit,
Speaker 1: even if that guarantee is fifteen million, so you would
Speaker 1: need to achieve you know, approximately fifteen hundred players, you
Speaker 1: would still want to push it, right, But if your
Speaker 1: guarantee is zero and it doesn't matter what the prize
Speaker 1: pool is, then you just go all in on the
Speaker 1: free roll. So about this free roll. If you haven't
Speaker 1: heard already, you've absolutely been living under a rock because
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. If you follow the World Over Tour, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you do, or if you follow
Speaker 1: any of their ambassadors, any of their you know, WPT
Speaker 1: family members, et cetera, this is all they've been talking
Speaker 1: about for the past you know, week and a half,
Speaker 1: which is what they should be doing now, what they're doing,
Speaker 1: And if you head on over to WPT dot com,
Speaker 1: you'll find an article that's everything you need to know
Speaker 1: about the Club WPT Gold Free Role. So a lot
Speaker 1: of this information that I'm about to kind of go
Speaker 1: over for what this free roll is is included in
Speaker 1: that article. It's going to take place, this free roll
Speaker 1: five million dollars free role. It's actually five million and
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars because they released that actually before we
Speaker 1: hopped on this podcast, they released all the payout structures,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a big puzzle, but we'll get
Speaker 1: to that. December thirteenth through fifteenth at win Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously day one on the thirteenth and then
Speaker 1: the final table on the fifteenth. Start times are currently TBA.
Speaker 1: So Club WPT Gold is the WPT's new sweepstakes poker model.
Speaker 1: If you're familiar with the Global Poker think of it
Speaker 1: like that. You go on to the platform, you know,
Speaker 1: eventually when it launches, which it says that it's going
Speaker 1: to launch an early twenty twenty five. You go on there,
Speaker 1: you would buy some sort of currency, you would play
Speaker 1: in that currency, and then on the back end, you
Speaker 1: could event you know, convert that currency to some sort
Speaker 1: of cash out, right. So that's what this is going
Speaker 1: to be. Now. One thing that I'll mention is that
Speaker 1: from the people that I've talked to there, the regular
Speaker 1: version of CLUBWPT is going to stay, which makes sense
Speaker 1: because those are extremely different player pools. You know. Club
Speaker 1: WPT's regular model is you pay whatever it is, thirty
Speaker 1: dollars a month if I think the Diamond tier is
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars a month or whatever, and then you
Speaker 1: just get access to whatever is available. Right. This one
Speaker 1: is it's not real money gaming by definition because it's
Speaker 1: sweepstakes model, but it's closer to real money gaming, right,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's what Club WPT Gold is. So
Speaker 1: if you are familiar with the global poker product, then
Speaker 1: you'll probably like what's to come from WPT. From Club
Speaker 1: WPT gold. It's a mouthful to say that over and over.
Speaker 1: I should just call it gold. But anyway, do you.
Speaker 2: Think it's interesting that it's WPD gold?
Speaker 1: Why? Because of Game of Gold? So I guess that's
Speaker 1: one of the first things I thought of. So I thought,
Speaker 1: here's a couple of things that I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: Is that so one club wpt gold I think is fine.
Speaker 1: I mean whatever, I don't. I don't. I didn't think
Speaker 1: of that like you thought of it. What I did
Speaker 1: think of though, is they specifically mentioned sweeps coins, which yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what Global Poker uses, sweeps coins, right, And then
Speaker 1: they also call this entry or ticket to this free
Speaker 1: roll a golden passport, which I think gold pass for
Speaker 1: poker stars. So like, I like, those are the things
Speaker 1: that I'm like, it's not necessarily unique.
Speaker 2: Gold im possible. It's pretty generic term like we use PG.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, I get I was wondering,
Speaker 2: is what's sweep sweep coins. I'm wondering if that's trademark.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I just know the gold of Pepoker uses. They have
Speaker 1: gold coins and they have sweeps coins. Those are the
Speaker 1: two areas that you can play in. The gold coins
Speaker 1: are the completely freemium. The sweeps coins are the ones
Speaker 1: that are are the online currency model or however you
Speaker 1: want to describe it. So this free roll, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a giveaway for these golden passports, where it
Speaker 1: says nearly two thousand people are going to win a
Speaker 1: golden passport to come out to Las Vegas to compete
Speaker 1: in this club WPT gold five million dollar free roll.
Speaker 1: First place is going to be one million dollars. Of
Speaker 1: that five million, approximately twenty five percent of the field
Speaker 1: is going to be paid. So five hundred and three
Speaker 1: players is what they list in this article. And then
Speaker 1: they say everyone who makes the money and busts will
Speaker 1: have a second chance drawing where one in five will
Speaker 1: draw one hundred free entries or one of one hundred
Speaker 1: free entries into the ten thousand dollars WPT World Championship.
Speaker 1: So from this free rule, I'll get it. Let's let's
Speaker 1: just I know they said nearly two thousand, but let's
Speaker 1: just say two thousands because it's just easier. So two thousand.
Speaker 1: So then you have five hundred people are going to cash. Right,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have one hundred of those five hundred
Speaker 1: are going to win a ten k seat to the
Speaker 1: World Championship. So you have that. Okay, so you're you're
Speaker 1: the floor of entries in the in the World Championship
Speaker 1: is well it's.
Speaker 2: One hundred, right, No, but he you already mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't. I haven't been able to find out,
Speaker 1: like exactly where all those other stuff coming. I mean
Speaker 1: they're having like I'm assuming there's some live qualifiers. There's
Speaker 1: obviously WPT Global is going to be satelliting people in.
Speaker 1: I did look at the win schedule because the full
Speaker 1: schedule is out now, by the way. So they have
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty satellites at the festival. Okay, So
Speaker 1: if you include those two hundred and forty satellites ask
Speaker 1: the festival, you include these one hundred qualifiers. So that's
Speaker 1: three forty right there.
Speaker 2: Okay, for a second, I thought you meant two hundred
Speaker 2: and forty individual satellites.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, but they have a ton
Speaker 1: of satellites, but two hundred. Like they have like a
Speaker 1: bunch of twenty five seat guarantees. They brought back the
Speaker 1: seventy five seat guarantee, like you know, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff is happening again. So from from what I counted,
Speaker 1: it's two hundred and forty seats during the festival in December.
Speaker 1: At Win they also have stuff like at this upcoming
Speaker 1: win Fall Poker Classic, they have a satellite there and
Speaker 1: I think it's three seats guaranteed. If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, I apologize. But so that's where they're
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately getting this number of one thousand SOT
Speaker 1: pretty good floor overall. Now are they going to push
Speaker 1: towards there? And thirty five inches is what they got
Speaker 1: last year in the WT World Championship. Of course, it
Speaker 1: had that forty million dollar guarantee that they missed on
Speaker 1: by I think right around two and a half million
Speaker 1: that the WPT had to eat as it pertains to
Speaker 1: this club WPT Gold Free roll. Just getting back to that,
Speaker 1: they have a mystery bounty format as well, where I
Speaker 1: believe it's at two hundred and ninety seven players remaining.
Speaker 1: That's when like the mystery bounty format kicks in. There's
Speaker 1: two forms of this mystery bounty. Okay, there's two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty eight times the mystery bounties ranging from five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to one thousand dollars. Then there are eight
Speaker 1: mystery bounties for the final table reserved for the final table.
Speaker 1: But one of those eight, sir, is zero dollars.
Speaker 2: Brutal, but I love it.
Speaker 1: So the payouts for this thing, which we're announced today
Speaker 1: million dollars up top second place two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars horrible, seems insane, but okay, third place one
Speaker 1: twenty five, then seventy five to fifty, forty thirty, twenty
Speaker 1: five twenty those are.
Speaker 2: For the top facilitates chucks right, because it's gonna have
Speaker 2: to be one of miss guaranteed.
Speaker 1: As I understand it, anyone is part of the eligible
Speaker 1: jurisdictions in the US and Canada believe it is. Can
Speaker 1: go to CLUBWPT gold dot com and just sign up
Speaker 1: for a free account. You can put your information in.
Speaker 1: Tim and I both have have done it already and
Speaker 1: they're going to be drawing people from there to win
Speaker 1: these golden passports to then come out to Las Vegas
Speaker 1: and compete in this five million dollar free rold. There
Speaker 1: are going to be other ways they've mentioned, like you know,
Speaker 1: some social media giveaways and whatnot, which they've they've done
Speaker 1: in the past as it relates to the WPT World Championship.
Speaker 1: So if if you fancy yourself, you know, wanting to
Speaker 1: get into this five million dollar free role that they're
Speaker 1: having and in I guess celebration of the new project
Speaker 1: that is Club WPT Gold, then then head on over
Speaker 1: to clubwpt gold dot com and just sign up part
Speaker 1: of the mystery bounties. They're going to have two one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars bounties as top prizes. Everyone at the
Speaker 1: final table gets a minimum of twenty thousand dollars, which
Speaker 1: I already mentioned, and then there's their own pool of
Speaker 1: mystery bounties for there, uh, you know, with the with
Speaker 1: a two or three dollars mystery bounding up for grabs.
Speaker 1: So I mean you could you could win the tournament,
Speaker 1: right and then also get some of these mystery boundies
Speaker 1: and win more than a million dollars. You know, you
Speaker 1: could come in second place, get the biggest mystery bounty
Speaker 1: and then you you know, you have four hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Is that how I understand it? So again,
Speaker 1: all of this is in celebration for the launch of
Speaker 1: Club WPT Gold that is coming in what they've listed
Speaker 1: as early twenty twenty five. I believe the exact line
Speaker 1: is the site is expected to launch in early twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. I do find it interesting. So I've had
Speaker 1: it's been again eight nine ten days or however since
Speaker 1: this has been announced, and I've I've had some a
Speaker 1: pretty big tug of war in my head on how
Speaker 1: I feel about all of this. So on one hand,
Speaker 1: I think the the venture into the sweepstakes poker model
Speaker 1: is good, but I have some questions. I mean, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the WPT has always been notoriously conservative, So
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like, what has finally been the motivation to
Speaker 1: get in right Is it simply seeing the success of
Speaker 1: somebody like a global poker and they said, you know what,
Speaker 1: we have a big enough brand, let's get into this.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's been no secret. You can
Speaker 1: just you know, there's been a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: Global Poker, Chumbu Casino all owned by you know, VGW,
Speaker 1: and and how much money that they've been pulling in
Speaker 1: in revenue every single year. A lot of that stuff
Speaker 1: has been out there more recently in the news. So
Speaker 1: is that kind of like one of the things where
Speaker 1: WPT is looking at it and saying like, we need
Speaker 1: to try and get in there and get a piece
Speaker 1: of this pie. The other side of me says, you know,
Speaker 1: are they too late to the party, because there's been
Speaker 1: some pushback in the sweepstakes gambling world. You know, for example,
Speaker 1: Michigan has said, you guys can't operate here anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, So is is there going
Speaker 1: to be some pushback? Is there going to be some
Speaker 1: lobbying behind closed doors from real money gaming operators who
Speaker 1: are required to like you know, jump through hoops to
Speaker 1: get legalized in certain states and pay all these license fees,
Speaker 1: these taxes and et cetera. Right, are they gonna then
Speaker 1: lobby behind closed doors being like, hey, knock knock, government,
Speaker 1: what are you doing letting these people get in here
Speaker 1: and operate basically? And I don't know forty five plus
Speaker 1: states or whatever it is, right, So like there's stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So I where we sit right now, We
Speaker 1: obviously don't have an answer to that. But what I
Speaker 1: will say is that this could be the moment in
Speaker 1: time where in five, ten, fifteen years, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: where we say we should have known and it's it's
Speaker 1: there are two sides that we should have known. It's
Speaker 1: one we should have known that sweepstakes casinos, sweepstakes poker
Speaker 1: were completely safe, just knowing how concern servative WPT has
Speaker 1: been in the past, and they finally got in, so
Speaker 1: they must feel it's worthwhile to get into this, and
Speaker 1: it's it's safe enough to get into this. You know,
Speaker 1: there's not going to be like some giant regulatory shutdown
Speaker 1: like that's that's one side of things where we've been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should have known, and we should have like other
Speaker 1: companies should have been more willing to get into this
Speaker 1: model because WBT got into it. The other side of
Speaker 1: things is that, you know, are they too late to
Speaker 1: the party? And like you're gonna be able to tell
Speaker 1: from that, you know, so should we have known at
Speaker 1: the time that they're too late to the party, just
Speaker 1: given the fact that there's been some increased talk of pushback.
Speaker 1: So then if this like all comes crumbling down in
Speaker 1: the upcoming years, you know, is it going to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we should have known that they were too late to
Speaker 1: the party. So you can kind of go either way.
Speaker 1: And that's like just something that you know, we're putting
Speaker 1: out there that we can possibly revisit in the future.
Speaker 1: So I just find that that's an interesting thing to
Speaker 1: to kind of think about. You know. Again, I've I've
Speaker 1: gone kind of back and forth in my mind because
Speaker 1: I think getting into this sort of model for the
Speaker 1: WPT is a good thing. I mean, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: try it, you have to try it now. You can't
Speaker 1: wait any longer. Yeah. I like the fact that they're
Speaker 1: putting they're putting an absolute minimum five million dollars in
Speaker 1: marketing behind this project, which is this free role. Now.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna work? We don't know yet, but they
Speaker 1: are betting with their wallets, okay, And obviously that five
Speaker 1: million dollars in marketing is going to be more because
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have to spend some money to
Speaker 1: actually market the thing, like you know, so it's probably
Speaker 1: like seven and a half million, I have no idea, right,
Speaker 1: you also have to build the platform and whatever, and
Speaker 1: then when it does launch in what they they are
Speaker 1: listing as early twenty twenty five, I'm assuming there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some more marketing push there, right, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the question to say
Speaker 1: they're spending seven and a half to ten minsion dollars
Speaker 1: to try and get this thing off the ground and
Speaker 1: up and running. So I think that coming out with
Speaker 1: such a big promotion like this club WPT five million
Speaker 1: dollar free roll can help cut down the gap that
Speaker 1: you have between other operators in this space, you know,
Speaker 1: because if you just can't try and kind of come
Speaker 1: in cold, you know, you're you're you're definitely gonna have
Speaker 1: to play catch up here. You can maybe accelerate that
Speaker 1: ketchup a little bit, you're still going to be behind
Speaker 1: other operators, yes, but we'll see. And then I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just going to come down to
Speaker 1: what does the platform itself look like, Because if it's
Speaker 1: a good quality platform, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: will flock there. Naturally, WPT has a good brand, the globe,
Speaker 1: the WPT Global platform is very good. The Club WPT platform,
Speaker 1: the regular one is not good. So so like if
Speaker 1: they're basically just going to take like you know, the
Speaker 1: development of the the global platform, kind of use that
Speaker 1: and then a here, I think that's great, you know,
Speaker 1: especially if you can do things like play it on mobile,
Speaker 1: you know, adequately, multi table, et cetera. Secondary to that,
Speaker 1: where I think that you can really help, you know,
Speaker 1: close the gap between somebody like them in a global
Speaker 1: poker for example, is if they're going to use live
Speaker 1: event qualification, that's huge. If they can use the Club
Speaker 1: WPT Gold platform to qualify people for their live poker tournaments.
Speaker 1: Because the World Poker too has such a big brand,
Speaker 1: then that's a really big boost to them as well.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can win into you know, Seminal
Speaker 1: Hard Rock or whatever it may be, went into the
Speaker 1: World Championship, et cetera. Now they do stuff on Club
Speaker 1: ept on the regular site. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: one seed a month. It's it's you know, much much
Speaker 1: harder because of the model and the way that it
Speaker 1: shakes out here. You know, it's again it's it's not
Speaker 1: real money online gaming by definition. It's just more closely
Speaker 1: aligned so you can do you know, kind of satellite
Speaker 1: qualifiers in more of a general sense that people understand
Speaker 1: out there. So I'm curious to see how that all
Speaker 1: plays out. So on one side of me says, okay,
Speaker 1: this is a very cool promotion. This is a good
Speaker 1: way to announce it. You know, they're going to get again,
Speaker 1: approximately two thousand people that are into this event, five
Speaker 1: hundred of them are going to make the money. One
Speaker 1: person's gonna win a million dollars, a bunch of other
Speaker 1: people are gonna win a lot of money. On a
Speaker 1: hundred people are going to then go on to have
Speaker 1: an experience of playing in the ten K World Championship.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to be had here from a
Speaker 1: player experience aspect, coupled with the fact that one thing
Speaker 1: we know about the World Poker Tour is they bank
Speaker 1: on player experience. That is like their core, their foundation.
Speaker 1: So I would imagine I would expect nothing less of
Speaker 1: the WPT that they're going to roll out the red
Speaker 1: carpet for these two thousand people and essentially make them
Speaker 1: ambassadors for the Club WPT gold product, right, because if
Speaker 1: you win in you come out to Las Vegas, you
Speaker 1: have an amazing time. You know, win money or don't
Speaker 1: win money. You know, if if that experience is great,
Speaker 1: you're gonna just go back and tell people how great
Speaker 1: the WPT brand is and why they should play on
Speaker 1: Club WPT goal. So, like, you know, that's on the
Speaker 1: back end now. I do also have questions of the
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship, Like so, like the purest in me says,
Speaker 1: doing this without a guarantee seems incredibly silly. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: so I don't know how I feel about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you feel. I've been talking forever, so just
Speaker 1: to talk say something.
Speaker 2: Look, I was teamed run it back with forty million,
Speaker 2: dropping it down to twenty five or thirty or fifteen,
Speaker 2: and maybe they didn't want to do that. That's fine.
Speaker 2: I still think people are gonna play. I still think
Speaker 2: people are gonna stay here in Vegas or come to Vegas.
Speaker 2: There's enough events on the schedule, which we'll probably touch
Speaker 2: on a little later, but I think the main event
Speaker 2: will be fine. It's not going to have probably anything
Speaker 2: near what it had last year. Could it eclipse the
Speaker 2: first year twenty two? Possibly?
Speaker 1: So let me just quickly jump in twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: nine hundred and sixty entries and then last year three
Speaker 1: thy eight hundred and thirty five. In that first year
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, the guarantee was fifteen million. I
Speaker 1: think they got right around twenty nine million. Last year
Speaker 1: they obviously went all the way up to forty million
Speaker 1: dollars in the guarantee. They fell short by you know,
Speaker 1: two two and a half million dollars whatever it was,
Speaker 1: three eight hundred and thirty five entries.
Speaker 2: So continue, So I think it will be fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of bad for players if they're
Speaker 2: trying to go to war with GG not having a
Speaker 2: guarantee definitely, definitely is going to hurt when it comes
Speaker 2: to the sweepstakes product. I like it. I'm a fan
Speaker 2: of it. You said WPT. Obviously we've both spent time
Speaker 2: with them. Are very you know, they're not going to
Speaker 2: just kind of gamble on these things. So maybe this
Speaker 2: is a positive sign for that platform. In this industry,
Speaker 2: we talk about Global poker, there's a couple of new
Speaker 2: ones that just came out, plus now this one. Maybe
Speaker 2: you know, things are going to be on the up
Speaker 2: for the sweepstakes model. So I think it's always good
Speaker 2: to have competition. Competition is healthy. Global focer probably doesn't
Speaker 2: like it, but I think that will be fine. You're
Speaker 2: gonna get who knows, thousands of players with accounts in
Speaker 2: the system ready to play. I'm sure. I mean, I
Speaker 2: can't remember if you touched on it, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's something some t's and c's in the prize pool
Speaker 2: for this five million dollar freeyear old where some of
Speaker 2: the prize pool is allocated to sweep coins.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't seen anything, so I honestly don't
Speaker 1: know and if and if they're doing this with the
Speaker 1: platform not set to launch. For what I'm guessing is
Speaker 1: at least two months. I mean best case, you know,
Speaker 1: three weeks or whatever it is until it's January. I
Speaker 1: would guess when you're calling something early twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: that means anywhere up to aprils in play. So I
Speaker 1: don't think you could. I don't think you could build
Speaker 1: in some sort of mechanism where let's say you have
Speaker 1: somebody finished in first place for a million dollars and
Speaker 1: it's in the t's and c's to award that as
Speaker 1: sweeps coins on the platform, and then you're essentially holding
Speaker 1: that million for months, right Like, I don't think that
Speaker 1: that's going to provide the good pr look that you're
Speaker 1: trying to get out of this. So from what I
Speaker 1: can tell, this is going to just be all cash.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can obviously ask the people over there
Speaker 1: how that's going to work out or if there's any
Speaker 1: thought to that, but but yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, the five million dollar
Speaker 2: free roll is probably is incentive to a wider play
Speaker 2: a pool than you know, a forty million dollar guarantee,
Speaker 2: mainly because of the price point. Right we're talking about
Speaker 2: the main event you're in for ten thousand plus, maybe
Speaker 2: a re entry. This free roll attracts a whole different
Speaker 2: you know, play a base like I was probably never
Speaker 2: direct buying into the main event, but like this three
Speaker 2: roll is right up my alley. You know, maybe it's
Speaker 2: a way I can get into more events, getting to
Speaker 2: potentially the main and I think it's you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's that's still a long shot.
Speaker 2: Sure. But what I'm saying is that I think the
Speaker 2: people that were going to play the main already are
Speaker 2: going to play it regardless. I'm not say we'll see
Speaker 2: too many peoples.
Speaker 1: So I'll say that I was somebody who always bookmarked
Speaker 1: this event to play. I essentially pencil in two ten
Speaker 1: k's a year, the WSB Main Event and the WPT
Speaker 1: World Championship. I am now currently on the fence about
Speaker 1: the WPT World Championship. You slap on a guarantee you're in,
Speaker 1: I'm in there because I know that. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: it depends. It's it's not that I'm not out. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, but I'm more of a wait and see
Speaker 1: because it makes sense because I would when I'm when
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who takes a leap to playing a ten
Speaker 1: k event, I want to be able to feel comfortable
Speaker 1: playing it. I want to have value, right, you know,
Speaker 1: if there's going to be eleven, fifteen hundred or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, Jeremy Ostmas is in the field. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not not playing like you know, like but ws a
Speaker 1: P main event, you just you know that it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be a field full of shot takers, recreationals, et cetera,
Speaker 1: like tons of soft spots, so you can feel comfortable there.
Speaker 1: Like obviously you're gonna run into very good players at times, yes,
Speaker 1: but the majority of players are not ten K buying
Speaker 1: level players. The WBT, I think, is a more difficult
Speaker 1: ten K than the WSP main event in terms of
Speaker 1: player quality. So does the lack of a guarantee make
Speaker 1: it even harder? Right? I mean I don't know. The
Speaker 1: other thing, well okay, but the other side of that
Speaker 1: argument is that all the good players are going to
Speaker 1: be in the Mahamas playing twenty five k's and ten
Speaker 1: k's and fifty like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: all the quo unquote Jeremy Alsi's of the world are
Speaker 1: going to the Bahamas. So it's like I'm on that well,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just my thinking. So again, it's
Speaker 1: not that I'm out, I'm playing it, but it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where I'll take more of a wait
Speaker 1: and see approach and I'll say, Okay, does this do
Speaker 1: I think that this is going to be a good field?
Speaker 1: Then yeah, I'll dive in there like I'll I'll probably
Speaker 1: play some saddle. It's again, they have a ton of
Speaker 1: satellites on offer for this sort of thing, for this thing,
Speaker 1: so I'll probably fire into there versus you know, in
Speaker 1: years past, I'd be like, I'm not going to bother
Speaker 1: the satellite. I'm just gonna I'm just going to sell
Speaker 1: the action in play, right, you know, I know there's
Speaker 1: gonna be enough people coming out of the woodwork because
Speaker 1: of where they put it with the guarantee, I will
Speaker 1: say that I think, you know, we had talked about
Speaker 1: it many times, but going from fifteen to forty was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean it's that's like part of me says that
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was there a plan, meaning you
Speaker 1: went from fifteen to forty, and the marketing push behind
Speaker 1: the forty was biggest guarantee in poker history, which very
Speaker 1: much woke up the bear or the bears that are
Speaker 1: gg poker in doubyssip because then they came back with
Speaker 1: fifty million and said, no, biggest guarantee in poker. Okay, So, like,
Speaker 1: did you not think that you were gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: wake up that giant from sleeping? Like I like, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like like, were you not
Speaker 1: prepared to go head to head like that? That's like
Speaker 1: I don't think I was not prepared. I think they
Speaker 1: maybe they're still SunShot, Like, but was there anyone in
Speaker 1: the room that said, guys, fifteen to forty is a stretch?
Speaker 1: What happens if we miss it? What's the plan? Like?
Speaker 1: Because when you go from then forty to zero, that
Speaker 1: tells me you didn't have a plan, of course, because
Speaker 1: if you were to go from forty back to like
Speaker 1: let's say twenty or twenty five, which is still an
Speaker 1: increase on the first year, Like that's like the you know,
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, we miss by a number we're not
Speaker 1: comfortable with, we're gonna scalop back. This is what we're
Speaker 1: going to scale it back to. You know, So I
Speaker 1: feel like there wasn't a plan, right, doesn't feel now?
Speaker 1: Kind of along those same lines, I still feel like
Speaker 1: they're poking the bear a little bit here because.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna say a WSP five.
Speaker 1: Again. They're saying biggest free roll in poker history, Like
Speaker 1: you don't think GG Poker in WSP, which you know
Speaker 1: obviously the news came out the GG Poker is in
Speaker 1: the process of buying the ws BE, Like you don't
Speaker 1: think they're over there saying like guys, let's go like yeah,
Speaker 1: next summer, like biggest free for next December, biggest free
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, and clearly like they
Speaker 1: don't care. They will go to whatever number it takes,
Speaker 1: as you know, emphasized by the fact that they went
Speaker 1: to fifty million. Like so it's like, are you now
Speaker 1: kind of like poking that bear again? So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, it's kind of like okay, so
Speaker 1: then what happens again? Like I I'm still like wrestling
Speaker 1: in my mind, if if how this is gonna all
Speaker 1: shake out? I mean, I I don't know, and like
Speaker 1: you know, I can make arguments for both sides, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I can make kind of strong arguments
Speaker 1: for both sides. I do feel like there wasn't a
Speaker 1: backup plan if you missed the forty million. I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of it.
Speaker 2: It feels like that. But like I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: I haven't been in the trenches at WPT like you
Speaker 2: have been in the head office. I don't know how
Speaker 2: things up right up, and they've being you know, a
Speaker 2: little live reporter on the floor Hawaiian gardens and stuff.
Speaker 2: So but why gardens. I love the guns, I'd say. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing that kind of leads me in that direction
Speaker 2: is just the way this gold coins the WD goal
Speaker 2: kind of came out, news came out, we all signed up,
Speaker 2: and then the days after that we started seeing promotions
Speaker 2: from their ambassadors, from other content creators use my code,
Speaker 2: you know, Rampage to be entered into this and this,
Speaker 2: and I obviously we didn't put a promo code in,
Speaker 2: so we've missed these drawings like this should have been
Speaker 2: an all encompassing marketing plan project release, so that I
Speaker 2: could choose, Okay, I would like to be part of
Speaker 2: Rampage's promotion or I'd like to be part of Joey
Speaker 2: Ingram's promotion.
Speaker 1: And then I asked about that, And so you don't
Speaker 1: need to enter a promo code like I think. You
Speaker 1: enter your name, your email, and then there's a boxing
Speaker 1: promo code. I think that's right now, you don't need
Speaker 1: to enter the promo code. But if you do enter
Speaker 1: a promo code like one of the ones from the
Speaker 1: Ambassadors or whatever. I think there's one like general one
Speaker 1: on the WPT site in the everything you need to
Speaker 1: Know article, et cetera, then you can possibly get entered
Speaker 1: into additional drawings like we've missed that, you know, we've
Speaker 1: missed that chance, which silly and like a so I
Speaker 1: think that that is.
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew whoever, whoever was in charge
Speaker 2: of that it should have been when you released that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that part of the thing, that
Speaker 1: part was really buttoned up, you know. But but I
Speaker 1: will say that, you know, on the the back end
Speaker 1: of things, this is a way that they can then track,
Speaker 1: you know, how many people is Rampage driving, how many
Speaker 1: people is brad Owen driving? Like, you know, so they
Speaker 1: can say, like, oh, five hundred people signed up for this,
Speaker 1: but only twenty people signed up for here. Clearly you're
Speaker 1: not an ambassador worth anything, right, So like like that's
Speaker 1: how you can track things on the back end, like
Speaker 1: who which which of your marketing channels have reach.
Speaker 2: How do you track us?
Speaker 1: Well, there's always going to be people that don't sign up.
Speaker 1: There's a code. I mean, we ever did in poker
Speaker 1: roll all the time.
Speaker 2: Difference with us signing up in the first hour versus
Speaker 2: someone signing up in two weeks with the promo code, right, So.
Speaker 1: I mean, who who it? Maybe you can do with
Speaker 1: a time thing?
Speaker 2: And I think I didn't. I ask you these are
Speaker 2: a promo code? You said, no, a confine one. Someone
Speaker 2: asked me if there's a promo corde I said no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did think it was interesting that when so
Speaker 1: we both signed up, like right when we saw the
Speaker 1: press release hit or in boxes, right, I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting that I went to the website and they
Speaker 1: had a box for the promo code, and I was like,
Speaker 1: but the site's not live yet. I can't purchase anything,
Speaker 1: so what's the point of me entering a promo code.
Speaker 1: I didn't even like think that it could be something
Speaker 1: that would allow me to get into additional drawings. But whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't care. You know, I don't expect to be picked.
Speaker 1: So no big deal, not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I just wrote a bunch of
Speaker 1: other stuff down again. You know, I just thought I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting that, you know, they're still kind
Speaker 1: of coming with that you know, biggest in poker history messaging,
Speaker 1: only now applying it to the free roll, which you know,
Speaker 1: if we know how this went the first time around,
Speaker 1: it feels like next year we're going to get some
Speaker 1: sort of massive free role coming out of out of
Speaker 1: the WSFP or GG Poker or whatever they do a
Speaker 1: paradise in December, right, I mean that kind of seems
Speaker 1: like that would that would track. I have a concern
Speaker 1: and this is like the the fan in me. So
Speaker 1: I talked about how like from the industry side of things,
Speaker 1: how we're thinking about things. I talked about me specifically,
Speaker 1: somebody who has played the WPT World Championship the first
Speaker 1: two years that it's been at the win or these
Speaker 1: last two years that it's been in the win. But
Speaker 1: now I'm kind of much more on the fence. We'll
Speaker 1: see how it goes. I'm probably leaning like sixty forty sixty.
Speaker 1: I'll be in, you know, just knowing all the qualifiers
Speaker 1: and whatnot that they have, but you know, there's still
Speaker 1: there's a bigger chance than before that I would miss
Speaker 1: this sort of thing before. It was like when they
Speaker 1: announced fifteen million, right, it was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: like I have to do whatever takes to get in this.
Speaker 1: Then they announced forty million, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: like I might sell one of my kids to get
Speaker 1: into this thing. Right now, It's like, okay, I can back.
Speaker 1: Not a big deal. You know, maybe I fire you know,
Speaker 1: eight bullets into the prime instead. Right. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: now we saw the WPT World Championship go from being
Speaker 1: this is me speaking like the fan and me. We
Speaker 1: saw the WPT World World Championship like the old one, right,
Speaker 1: the twenty five k you know, that was one of
Speaker 1: the biggest things in poker, and then it like kind
Speaker 1: of just slowly like went away. And then they brought
Speaker 1: in the WPT Tournament of champions Right then that kind
Speaker 1: of slowly goes away. Then they bring in this WPT
Speaker 1: World Championship at the WINN and it comes in like
Speaker 1: just gangbusters, fifteen million first year, forty million next year,
Speaker 1: like everyone's raving about it.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: I always thought the WPT World Championship was awesome, Like
Speaker 1: when I first was getting into poker, I freaking loved it.
Speaker 1: You know, I hated that it went away, right, I
Speaker 1: always thought you coul should have kind of had that
Speaker 1: season ending like big buy an event.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I always love to the Tournament of champions. The WPT
Speaker 1: hero On Champas I think was incredible. I know it
Speaker 1: was extremely like exclusive, small field and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I freaking love that event. I wish that they would
Speaker 1: bring that back. So now I just wonder you go
Speaker 1: from fifteen to forty you miss. Now you're at zero.
Speaker 1: All the marketing push that I can see so far,
Speaker 1: and I know it's it's early, but it is October
Speaker 1: and this is coming up in December is all about
Speaker 1: this free roll. So like, is this WPT World Championship
Speaker 1: just gonna like fall off a cliff?
Speaker 2: No? I don't think it will.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying that's the concern.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the concerent. Yeah, of course, that's the concern.
Speaker 2: I get twelve hundred entrants, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now let me speak on that specifically and
Speaker 1: you'll be able to like talk to this. I think
Speaker 1: my success, my success benchmark is that it needs to
Speaker 1: have I think seventeen hundred entries. The reason why I
Speaker 1: say that is that the WPT one drop event thing
Speaker 1: that happened in the summer at the win twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three had sixteen hundred and seventy six This summer at
Speaker 1: the win they had their ten K and wasn't WPT,
Speaker 1: but it was a ten K had fourteen hundred and
Speaker 1: forty entries. So like, I just think that's the I
Speaker 1: think that the quote unquote WPT World Championship should be
Speaker 1: the biggest thing at the win. Like, if you're WPT,
Speaker 1: you should want it to be the biggest ten K
Speaker 1: at the win. So the floor is whatever those numbers are.
Speaker 1: So I'll say seventeen hundred just to like round up
Speaker 1: a little bit. So that's like my if it's like
Speaker 1: if they come in and it's twelve hundred, which I
Speaker 1: don't really think is possible because they have the one thousand,
Speaker 1: eleven hundred satellity, is that what they're saying? So, you know,
Speaker 1: but maybe there's a world that it happens.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, So Okay, we all know
Speaker 2: that they're going to be like, Okay, let's hit thirty
Speaker 2: eight hundred players to show we didn't need a guarantee
Speaker 2: to crush. That's not gonna happen. I think their next go,
Speaker 2: and it's very it's somewhat attainable, would be to surpass
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two number of twenty nine hundred and sixty.
Speaker 2: Now I think they're not good. I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying that's probably
Speaker 2: their that's what they're shooting for. W we know from WPT,
Speaker 2: they like they always like to be like, we want
Speaker 2: this many entrance. They always have some goal in numbers
Speaker 2: when it comes to all their main tour stops. I
Speaker 2: think their goal will be twenty nine to sixty one,
Speaker 2: and then I think the next one would be maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit more where you are like seventeen hundred
Speaker 2: to two thousand. Just they want to have a decent
Speaker 2: enough prize pool where it's like ends up being you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it is fifteen million or something where it doesn't
Speaker 2: look so bad, because bad would be a twelve hundred,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And the only way that really happens is
Speaker 2: if you know, if Adam's really promising eleven one thousand
Speaker 2: satellite qualifiers, half of them just take cash or tornament
Speaker 2: dollars or whatever they have an option of it, so
Speaker 2: it's unlikely to happen. But I don't know exactly if
Speaker 2: that thousand is true or if they have a you know,
Speaker 2: another option where they can just accept money or cash
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's definitely been less of a
Speaker 1: push this year for the satellite specific to the WPT
Speaker 1: World Championship then last year. Obviously last year and then
Speaker 1: you and I talked about this. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: to hit a forty million dollar guarantee, so you're going
Speaker 1: to be pushing the crap out of this. Now. I
Speaker 1: mentioned that there are two hundred and forty guaranteed seats
Speaker 1: at the win in December, so there's that you have
Speaker 1: the one hundred coming from this free roll. So now
Speaker 1: you're at three forty. Okay, I would say just based
Speaker 1: on a bunch of other stuff. You know, people winning
Speaker 1: in VIA, they win a prime, they win WPT, et cetera.
Speaker 1: You know you're probably pushing four hundred, three seventy five,
Speaker 1: four hundred like you're getting there right, So okay, like
Speaker 1: where are these other six hundred coming from? I'm assuming
Speaker 1: WPT Global. I guess you know you're going to have
Speaker 1: some obviously some some regular Club WPT qualifiers. Yes, So
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, if you do have
Speaker 1: an idea of like a number that you benchmark as
Speaker 1: success or that you view as respectable, like we don't
Speaker 1: want to go below this, et cetera, then start putting
Speaker 1: the word out about that sort of stuff like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know fifty people have won from club WPT, like,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of stuff. Again, very similar to what
Speaker 1: Poker Stars did with that PSPC. Like I thought that
Speaker 1: marketing was incredible, right, So I do find it it
Speaker 1: interesting that the number is said to be a thousand qualifiers,
Speaker 1: so we'll see where it comes from. I also think that, listen,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a test of the player
Speaker 1: first ideology that the WPT preaches and holds to its core.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is it's a test
Speaker 1: for the community, and I'm curious to see if the
Speaker 1: community passes this test, because all the community does when
Speaker 1: the WPT puts on this cruise ship thing that probably
Speaker 1: lost them a crap ton of money, they do this
Speaker 1: incredible stuff over at the wind in December. They're willing
Speaker 1: to go up to forty million and go head to
Speaker 1: head with the WSP when everyone's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: That's crazy to go from fifteen to forty, Like you're
Speaker 1: doing all this sort of stuff, right, they're constantly player first,
Speaker 1: player first, player first, right, they very much say it,
Speaker 1: but they also walk the walk, right, just talking the talk,
Speaker 1: they do walk the walk when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: So did they buy goodwill with the players? Will the
Speaker 1: players still show up without a big guarantee on this
Speaker 1: event or will the players be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we'll play the prime whatever, but we're not going to
Speaker 1: splurge for the ten k. Or if you were going
Speaker 1: to splurge for the ten k in years past, you know,
Speaker 1: if it has a forty million dollar price tag, maybe
Speaker 1: you're firing three four bullets versus this year you're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll take one shot, you know. Or
Speaker 1: are those players saying like, you know what, why should
Speaker 1: I try and reach for a ten K when I
Speaker 1: can just reach for a twenty five K and go
Speaker 1: play a fifty million dollar guarantee?
Speaker 2: Right? So like, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if all the what they've done
Speaker 1: in literally their whole history WPT in terms of putting
Speaker 1: the players first, you know, are they going to are
Speaker 1: the players then going to come back being like you've
Speaker 1: been so good to us, you know what, we you
Speaker 1: don't need a guarantee because we're still going to show
Speaker 1: up and are what they think are thirty eight hundred
Speaker 1: players going to show up for thirty hundred entries?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: You know? Is that gonna happen? And I thought I
Speaker 1: heard a number that it was right around two thousand,
Speaker 1: maybe twenty one hundred uniques played. I thought that was
Speaker 1: the number. I forget maybe it was higher. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but that's it about right, that's a good amount of uniques.
Speaker 1: Is that number of uniques gonna come back? Or is it,
Speaker 1: you know, tied to a guarantee because you know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned those podcasts that that Pliska was on. He was
Speaker 1: on Only Friends with Burkey and them, and Burkeie said,
Speaker 1: you know, basically we're poker players. We go where the
Speaker 1: ev is so kind of in my sort of thinking
Speaker 1: like if I don't think this event is valuable, am
Speaker 1: I gonna bother to try and kind of extend myself,
Speaker 1: extend my bank roll? Or can I just fire somewhere else?
Speaker 2: Right? If we could get those numbers, those unique the
Speaker 2: unique entrants that percentage. I would say this year, obviously
Speaker 2: that both is gonna go down, but I would say
Speaker 2: that the re entry rate drops more than the unique right,
Speaker 2: because once you fired that Wambulla, it's not like, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't see this overlay, you don't see this forty
Speaker 2: million dollars guarantee. So the incentive to rebuy Reana is
Speaker 2: not as not as big as last ya. So obviously
Speaker 2: there will be a drop off in both, but us
Speaker 2: it's a guarantee. I think that there's a steepid drop
Speaker 2: off in re entries than there is the actual uniques.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess, just quickly on Donnie as a
Speaker 1: player speaking, I now view this event very similar to
Speaker 1: how I always view WPT five diamond. I would never
Speaker 1: play that just because it just always seemed like an
Speaker 1: unattainable goal to compete in that field when you have
Speaker 1: these players who are the best of the best with
Speaker 1: multiple bullets and there's no like guarantee supporting or or
Speaker 1: you know, driving I guess more recreational or weaker players
Speaker 1: into the field, possibly creating the ev and the fact
Speaker 1: of a big overlay, like you know, So there's that aspect, right, now,
Speaker 1: WPT five Diamond always drew very well. You know, it
Speaker 1: got banger numbers, right, you know, seven eight hundred, nine
Speaker 1: hundred and well over one thousand players in the field,
Speaker 1: huge prizes, but you know, you're battling with the Alex
Speaker 1: Faxon's of the world, who are firing multiple bullets in
Speaker 1: a very good structured event, like without that guarantee that
Speaker 1: is driving the other elements that you need to create
Speaker 1: value or are you gonna chase So like that's that's how
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it now. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's as unplayable, I guess as I would view WPT
Speaker 1: five Diamond, you know, but it's more closer to that
Speaker 1: than it is now to like the WSP main event, right.
Speaker 1: So that's just how I kind of think about it.
Speaker 1: So and I'm curious to see if if other players
Speaker 1: feel that way, or if people make the trip out,
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever it may be. I'm curious. I
Speaker 1: also think that just kind of wrapping up this talk
Speaker 1: about the guarantee and then we're going to hit on
Speaker 1: some of the schedule stuff. I think you just set
Speaker 1: the bar when you go to forty, which is again
Speaker 1: our argument we said you do this, it's hard to
Speaker 1: go back. Like, and if you go back, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is like the worst case going back, or maybe
Speaker 1: this is better than twenty I have none.
Speaker 2: I think it's better. I think going to zero is
Speaker 2: bet then going to like fifteen or twenty five.
Speaker 1: To be honest, Yeah, But I'm always of the opinion that, like,
Speaker 1: if you change something that is viewed negative, you just
Speaker 1: admit it and you talk about it and you be
Speaker 1: open about it, which which they did when they missed
Speaker 1: the guarantee. They came out there minutes after it happened.
Speaker 1: Plisko was in front of a microphone in front of
Speaker 1: cameras being like, hey, we missed, We're paying for it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take it on the chin. You got questions
Speaker 1: fire on my way, right, So why couldn't you do
Speaker 1: that same sort of thing and just be like, listen,
Speaker 1: we swung for the fences last year. We have to
Speaker 1: scale back. We obviously recognize the landscape in this specific
Speaker 1: time period going up against our biggest competitor. So you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do twenty five or we're gonna do thirty,
Speaker 1: and we would love to have you still. Plus there's
Speaker 1: this five million dollar free roll. Plus we're doing the
Speaker 1: Prime again. That got ten thousand entries last you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's like, I think that could
Speaker 1: have been the Cell if you were worried about it.
Speaker 1: So that's just where I'm at with things there. Let's
Speaker 1: get into the schedule, because they also dropped the entire schedule.
Speaker 1: It is available over on WPT dot com. Also, did
Speaker 1: you know that I think all the main tour events
Speaker 1: are now called championship events like WPT Australia Championship, WPTX Championship,
Speaker 1: everything is championship. I thought it was the main tour
Speaker 1: and then that just wasn't named. Now it's championship anyway,
Speaker 1: So the schedule dropped. I have some highlights. So first
Speaker 1: thing that sticks out to me. The big opener last
Speaker 1: year was a six hundred dollars buy in one million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee. This year it is an eight hundred dollars
Speaker 1: buy in and it remains a one million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 1: My thoughts are that it's interesting to see the buy
Speaker 1: in increase but not the guarantee. I think they certainly
Speaker 1: could have gone to two million or two and a
Speaker 1: half million, And I know our buddy Matt Savage will
Speaker 1: fight me on this, but yeah, I mean couple things.
Speaker 1: First year that they did this, it was six hundred
Speaker 1: five hundred k guarantee, right, they got two nine hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety nine entries for a one point five five
Speaker 1: to nine million dollar prize school, so more than three
Speaker 1: x the guarantee. Last year they go six hundred one million,
Speaker 1: they get four thy nine hundred and fifty. Michael Rosito
Speaker 1: wins the thing prize school was two point five million,
Speaker 1: so two point five x on the guarantee. So I
Speaker 1: think it's very much within the realm of possibility that
Speaker 1: they could have kept it six hundred and gone to
Speaker 1: two or two and a half million, maybe even pushed
Speaker 1: it to three. Like that's part of the general schedule
Speaker 1: here is like if you remove the forty million, maybe
Speaker 1: apply some larger guarantees to the other stuff, or some
Speaker 1: guarantee increases to the other stuff, which you and I
Speaker 1: talked about, where like if you're gonna go head to
Speaker 1: head with the WSP Paradise in December, one of the
Speaker 1: things you could do is cater to the like sub
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars buying player, like one thousand dollars player,
Speaker 1: five hundred dollar player, et cetera. Eight hundred dollar buying
Speaker 1: also feels too close to WPT Prime, Like that's weird
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, don't they have this WPT five
Speaker 1: hundred brand. Why isn't it just the WPT five hundred opener? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's five hundred dollars buying and it has a
Speaker 1: two million dollar guarantee. And the reason why I bring
Speaker 1: up two million as a number is that Seminal Hard
Speaker 1: Rock or Seminal Rock and Roll Poker Open, which is
Speaker 1: coming up very soon, is right before the WPT World
Speaker 1: Championship opens with a four hundred dollars buying two million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee. Shouldn't the WPT World Championship Series aim to
Speaker 1: do everything bigger and better? I mean, it's your World Championship,
Speaker 1: it is your season ending like extravaganza. I mean, shouldn't
Speaker 1: everything be bigger and better as part of this series,
Speaker 1: including this opener?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So obviously Seminole draws extremely well, but the win is incredible.
Speaker 1: They are the Seminal of Vegas. It is what they are.
Speaker 2: So obviously we're we're we're friends with the people at
Speaker 2: the win. Ryan and Ray who hopefully will be on
Speaker 2: this podcast coming up hopefully. I have spoken to them.
Speaker 2: We have a little group chat. It's called Win Besties.
Speaker 1: That's throwing shots at the poker Tour. By the way,
Speaker 1: I heard that, Ryan, Okay, we'll say that for the
Speaker 1: first I heard. I heard.
Speaker 2: So after speaking with them, I feel that they are
Speaker 2: very much in control of the side events. And I
Speaker 2: basically ask exactly what you said, six hundred, now eight hundred,
Speaker 2: same prize for what are you what are you doing?
Speaker 2: It's like, we don't have the space, We're not in
Speaker 2: the ballroom yet, so there reasons makes sense. They kind
Speaker 2: accommodate the big fields. We saw it. We you were
Speaker 2: lined up for a while as an alternate. We understand
Speaker 2: that six hundred. It's it's great, it's a great entry
Speaker 2: point for an opening event. So I get get it
Speaker 2: that they've made it eight hundred dollars. Ray thinks it's
Speaker 2: still going to be still going to be huge, even.
Speaker 1: Though it's going to be huge. That's but that's why
Speaker 1: I say that you could have an increased guarantee because
Speaker 1: like you just I know that it's going to be big,
Speaker 1: like I have, you just have a million. The smallest
Speaker 1: doubt that it's going to have a two point five
Speaker 1: million dollar prize pool, if not three million, Right, But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it looks like you're not trying as
Speaker 1: far because you're you're you're running it back but increasing
Speaker 1: the buy in. So what you're telling people on the
Speaker 1: surface is that we only are expecting this many entries,
Speaker 1: like you know, so that that's just you know, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm Yeah, I mean my biggest I also think
Speaker 1: that eight hundred is again closer to prime. That's like
Speaker 1: a I know it's small, but like the difference between
Speaker 1: a five h play and an eight hundred player, there's
Speaker 1: still like a little bit of a game, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm that guy that's saying, like you could.
Speaker 1: Just slap out WPT five hundred, there's your brand boom.
Speaker 1: WPT has certainly made it made a case to try
Speaker 1: and bring back this alpha eight. So why can't they
Speaker 1: do with WPT five hundred on their schedule happening this
Speaker 1: year they hit some WT five hundred event playground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think gets I think it's what they've said,
Speaker 2: it's a space issue. The problem with the eight hundred
Speaker 2: is last year we did the six hundred. We both
Speaker 2: played eye cash, you did not. I was okay with
Speaker 2: two bullets in that twelve hundred dollars, and I was
Speaker 2: on the fence about playing Prime because I'm in it,
Speaker 2: but I cash. I then played Prime. Now this if
Speaker 2: I'm eating for two bullets, I mean now was sixteen
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Prime is eleven hundred. Do I want to
Speaker 2: just maybe spend twenty two hundred dollars on Prime instead?
Speaker 2: The fact that it's literally back to back also hurts
Speaker 2: for some of those players unsure all that work they're
Speaker 2: going to have to, you know, the rec player out
Speaker 2: there like me, if they have a job, it's going
Speaker 2: to have to choose between one or the other. So
Speaker 2: I mean, why wouldn't you choose the five million dollars
Speaker 2: guarantee and spend three hundred dollars more per buying that?
Speaker 2: To me, it's probably it is probably going to be
Speaker 2: a slightly better structure, you know, more starting chips, longer levels.
Speaker 2: Obviously we don't know the actual blind increases from what
Speaker 2: I'm looking at, so I think you will lose some
Speaker 2: of those borderline players, one such as myself that I
Speaker 2: only want to spend a couple thousand dollars at the win.
Speaker 2: You know, they want to play say the seventy five
Speaker 2: Scramble satellite, whatever it is they want to play, be
Speaker 2: played two bullets in the prime, and they're going to
Speaker 2: just skip the eight hundred. So I think it's it
Speaker 2: does hurt. Six hundred or five hundred would have been better.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think they're doing this for a reason.
Speaker 2: I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I liked what they did with
Speaker 1: the six hundred one million last year, right, you know
Speaker 1: that's because it very much tracked with like what everything
Speaker 1: they do down at Seminole, which I think is arguably
Speaker 1: the best big Field Big Series tournament venue in the US.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that to be I mean wins up
Speaker 1: there now, but I'm saying at the time, like win
Speaker 1: was a little bit more of the up and comer
Speaker 1: challenger to that. I also think that five hundred again
Speaker 1: is just cleaner. It has that brand of WPT five.
Speaker 1: So anyway, early they have a sixteen hundred dollars mystery bounty.
Speaker 1: Last year it had a two million dollar guarantee. It
Speaker 1: was multi flight, it had three flights. This year it's
Speaker 1: a two day even with a five hundred kre guarantee,
Speaker 1: so some scaling back there right now. This is probably
Speaker 1: the I would say that this might this might be
Speaker 1: a bigger issue for me personally than not having a
Speaker 1: guarantee on the World Championship is the fact that they
Speaker 1: did not increase the Prime Championship guarantee.
Speaker 2: What do they get lost year.
Speaker 1: It got ten thousand, five hundred and twelve entries for
Speaker 1: a ten ten million, one hundred ninety six thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in the Price Bowl. They had a five million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 1: So this year they're running it back same five million.
Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty two they had eleven hundred dollars
Speaker 1: buying for this two million dollar guarantee. Smashed it. They
Speaker 1: got five four hundred and thirty right just to shy
Speaker 1: have a five point three million dollar Price Bowl. Then
Speaker 1: they up it to five million dollars. They get ten thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred entries in the damn thing. Calvin Anderson wins.
Speaker 1: It's one hundred ninety six thousand dollars in the Prize Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think that So part of part of me saying
Speaker 1: that like not or this is like bigger industry to
Speaker 1: me is that I feel like this can take away
Speaker 1: from the fact that you're not having a guarantee on
Speaker 1: the WPT World Championship ten K and then also like
Speaker 1: this goes into the the idea of just catering to
Speaker 1: like that smaller buy in player. So you know, I
Speaker 1: think you really could have pushed the envelope if you
Speaker 1: really wanted toun down an eleven hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee and just gone for it. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: I don't know the space issues, you know, but they
Speaker 1: did say last year that you know, once they actually
Speaker 1: get into the series, get into the ballroom, they're going
Speaker 1: to have more ballroom space.
Speaker 2: So yeah, seven point five million, that's what you need.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just would have done ten. And so
Speaker 1: the hell with it, let's go.
Speaker 2: I mean's let's speak of somebody. Seven point five.
Speaker 1: That's it's still considered. They got that last year.
Speaker 2: They can but like you don't want to they could.
Speaker 1: Get that again. Come on, man, they could do that
Speaker 1: back end of the schedule. Last year they had a
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars buying three million dollar guarantee and six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars buying two million dollar guarantee, both just straight
Speaker 1: Nolman HoldEm tournaments this year the three K three million
Speaker 1: dollar returns, but the sixteen hundred dollars buying one looks
Speaker 1: like it's been changed to be a sixteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: mystery bounty event, and instead of having that two million
Speaker 1: dollar prize school, it's gonna have a million dollar guaranteed
Speaker 1: priz schools. Those are kind of the the big picture
Speaker 1: things that I saw. There are only four events on
Speaker 1: this year's schedule by my count, that are above three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and last year I think they had eight,
Speaker 1: but they of course had the million dollar buy in
Speaker 1: one drop they had, you know, they had a fifty
Speaker 1: k stuff like that. So this year those events that
Speaker 1: are above three thousand dollars. Of course, the ten thousand,
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars World Championship, you do have a twenty
Speaker 1: five K Alpha eight. You have a ten thousand, five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars high Roller, and then you have the ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars Seniors high Roller also listed on the schedule
Speaker 1: again WPT dot com.
Speaker 2: Well, you say, over thraight, Y're not including the three
Speaker 2: K right?
Speaker 1: No? No? Yeah, okay, yeah, over like that's what over three
Speaker 1: K means not including that's what I would have said
Speaker 1: three thousand or higher. Over first I looked at it,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, do they have any five
Speaker 1: k's on the sk which I didn't see any.
Speaker 2: Yah, So that it gives a severe lack of high.
Speaker 1: Rollism this well, but I think that's good. I think
Speaker 1: that's something that they did correctly with this. Is that
Speaker 1: I would have because you know what WSOP is doing
Speaker 1: at Paradise right.
Speaker 2: Paradise is out of it by the endpoint. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying you could put some on the
Speaker 2: back end. You could put a five K six max.
Speaker 2: You could put a five.
Speaker 1: Maybe on the back end.
Speaker 2: Yes, not at the front.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, is it too close because that
Speaker 1: stuff at Paradise ends the nineteenth? Is that too close
Speaker 1: to Christmas? I mean, that's that's like asking a lot.
Speaker 1: I feel like me like, if you're it's one thing,
Speaker 1: I know that the win series what they goes to
Speaker 1: the twenty third right or twenty second, I don't even remember,
Speaker 1: but like you're already there, right, But then like if
Speaker 1: you're in the Bahamas, are you then like routing yourself
Speaker 1: to Vegas and then and going wherever you're going for
Speaker 1: the holidays. I don't know, it feels iffy to do that,
Speaker 1: so I like, you know, catering to like again we
Speaker 1: said it, like do everything, like you know, have a
Speaker 1: bunch of like one ks to three ks, you know,
Speaker 1: or five hundred to three k's and then just have
Speaker 1: that ten thousand dollars World Championship stand out. So I
Speaker 1: am a little bit surprised that they have the Alpha
Speaker 1: eight even on the schedule, But it just seems like
Speaker 1: they don't want to ever, you know, put this horse
Speaker 1: out to pasture, Like they just want to keep the
Speaker 1: Alpha a brand around no matter what, for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: As a marketing person, I will always tell you that
Speaker 1: trying to grow multiple brands is extremely difficult. So just
Speaker 1: have them be wpts, Like everything should just be the
Speaker 1: branded WPT end of story. You'll also see on the
Speaker 1: schedules that they have a ton of satellites listed. They
Speaker 1: have twenty five seat guarantees. They believe they're bringing back
Speaker 1: the seventy five set guarantee. I saw that on there
Speaker 1: last year they had based on the guaranteed seats that
Speaker 1: I counted up two hundred and eighty seats were given
Speaker 1: away this year to forty. I think that's very good,
Speaker 1: you know, to have that number. So you know, we
Speaker 1: talked about it. You're gonna have that to forty at least,
Speaker 1: if not more. I think I don't even remember what
Speaker 1: the seventy five set guarantee got last year, but I.
Speaker 2: Think it crush it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but again, you know, that's trying to get
Speaker 1: into the forty million dollar guarantee. So we'll see if
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more ambitious this year. But you know,
Speaker 1: like that seventy five set guarantee is something that like
Speaker 1: I would probably try and play, maybe you try and
Speaker 1: play again, you know, versus just diving straight into the
Speaker 1: ten K. I think it's gonna be interesting to see
Speaker 1: how it all plays out in December. I think we've
Speaker 1: said that many times. WSP has really started, like I guess,
Speaker 1: ramping up announcements of who's gonna be there. So so
Speaker 1: they're just kind of making that marketing push. I know
Speaker 1: they had the first online flight for the twenty five
Speaker 1: K fifty million dog Guarantee that Daniel Legrownie was streaming
Speaker 1: and fired three bulletin, which I feel like he could
Speaker 1: be in that thing for seven hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars by the end of it. I mean, who knows.
Speaker 1: So so we'll see how that goes. Obviously we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna monitor everything there. But but yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: how things are shaken out. One last question before we
Speaker 1: move on to talking about WPT Australia and what happened
Speaker 1: down there. Do you think that there's a chance that
Speaker 1: they announce a guarantee for the World Championship that they
Speaker 1: just they like, you know, behind closed doors, are like, listen,
Speaker 1: we we need it. Yeah, let's go, even if it's
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty. I think there's a chance. Yeah, the longer
Speaker 1: we wait, the you know, might be a little too light.
Speaker 1: People planning Bahamas trips, so planning ept progue instead. So
Speaker 1: if they do have some thoughts on that, they better
Speaker 1: get that out a sent yeah and listen again. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they don't need a guarantee and maybe this thing
Speaker 1: just still does freaking numbers. I mean, who knows what
Speaker 1: the poker role? Who really knows? All right, So moving
Speaker 1: on to WPT Australia, James ops, your boy, my boy
Speaker 1: wins WPT Australia three hundred and ninety six entries, Ops
Speaker 1: top them all to win five hundred and eighty five
Speaker 1: thousand Australian dollars. How much is that in US? Without looking?
Speaker 1: Without looking, you're supposed to know that two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars to How much do you really think it is?
Speaker 2: Let me look at it. Five eighty five is probably
Speaker 2: three seventy.
Speaker 1: Three ninety eight, three hundred ninety eight thousand US dollars.
Speaker 1: The only currency in the world that matters that in
Speaker 1: sweeps coins, right, that's the only the only two currencies,
Speaker 1: only two currencies that matter. Yeah. So James opst wins
Speaker 1: the WPT Australia Championship. He beat Travis Enders beat Do
Speaker 1: you know that name?
Speaker 2: I know of him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean that's a name that's unfamiliar to me.
Speaker 1: Daniel Murphy Olegg Aviachenko got fourth. Matthew Wakeman I know
Speaker 1: that that. I've covered him before. Eighth place is interesting.
Speaker 1: I guess this guy's just a stud. Now, Malcolm Trainor
Speaker 1: the best I mean comes with Actually he won the
Speaker 1: million million dollar bounty. He didn't get massive bounties, but
Speaker 1: he won the million dollar first place for.
Speaker 2: All the small ones at the found Table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he finishes in eighth place here for
Speaker 1: seventy one thousand Aussie forty eight thousand us D. Pretty
Speaker 1: good turnout. I would think.
Speaker 2: Poka's back in Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's like part of my thing with this.
Speaker 1: The winner's photo of James Ops has Van Marcus in it.
Speaker 2: And Billy the Croc got the legends.
Speaker 1: I fucking miss Australia, man, I mean this took place.
Speaker 1: Where was this event Sydney? Wasn't it saus City or no?
Speaker 1: No Queen's I mean you tell me.
Speaker 2: I wasn't making that much attention to idly watched the
Speaker 2: final table star Gold Coast, Yeah, Gold Coast. That's why
Speaker 2: we went for the British for the Australian program.
Speaker 1: But I didn't go there.
Speaker 2: That was before it really really nice property.
Speaker 1: I mean all the like people sharing on social media
Speaker 1: that I saw of this, it looks amazing. I think
Speaker 1: we know a lot of people that like went there.
Speaker 1: They were you know, skipped skipping pokem at w. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's hard to skip out on a trip to Australia,
Speaker 1: So I get it. Yeah, maybe we see Poker coming
Speaker 1: back more and more and more in Australia. I think
Speaker 1: it's obviously a very good thing the poker tour is
Speaker 1: down there. Would love to possibly in the future. I
Speaker 1: have no idea when see the return of Ozzie Millions,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's ever going to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, so who knows. But good on James Opst.
Speaker 1: You know he took that a couple of years away
Speaker 1: to try and become a professional tennis player or whatever
Speaker 1: the heck.
Speaker 2: He was doing.
Speaker 1: But he's back and you know he's clearly still one
Speaker 1: of the best.
Speaker 2: You winny second race of this year too, right, I.
Speaker 1: Can't even remember, right, I can't. It's funny the w
Speaker 1: city comes. It always comes like sooner than you expect,
Speaker 1: and then it always goes faster than you expect. And
Speaker 1: then it's always like way in the rear view, much
Speaker 1: faster than you expect.
Speaker 2: Like it it seems like it was six months ago.
Speaker 2: It feels like it was.
Speaker 1: Sixty years ago. I mean, it's just it's just how
Speaker 1: it is. So that was WPT Australia. James Off. Shout
Speaker 1: out to him, Go to Andy McLeod. Hopefully you get
Speaker 1: that reference.
Speaker 2: Do you know who Andy McLeod played for the real
Speaker 2: Andy McLeod. No, that Lake Cruise.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so there's that's and then we shift
Speaker 1: things over to the WSP online, the international version taking
Speaker 1: place on GGI Poker. Morris Dietrich, sure, hopefully I probably
Speaker 1: pushed that in some way shape or form, wins the
Speaker 1: WSP online main event. So this thing had seventeen in
Speaker 1: science six and forty six entries, Ditrich one four million,
Speaker 1: twenty one thousand dollars. I mean, what in the f
Speaker 1: and world there were two So kind of similar to
Speaker 1: the WSP main event from Las Vegas, where you had
Speaker 1: Jonathan Tomaia winning, but all the talk afterwards was like
Speaker 1: laptop gate. Here you had Ditrich winning, but all the
Speaker 1: talk out of it. These two insane bad beats that
Speaker 1: happened at the final table. The first one was during
Speaker 1: four handed play, when you have Genny Akimov cracked Isaac
Speaker 1: Barron's kings with six or four off. Achamov had the
Speaker 1: big Chipley at the time, just ripped in with six
Speaker 1: to four off. Baron actually flopped top set with his kings,
Speaker 1: but Okamov was able to run down a straight that
Speaker 1: busted out Baron in fourth place.
Speaker 2: I think he was a turned off fluster.
Speaker 1: He did turn, he did turn a flush draw, I mean,
Speaker 1: but still it's it's pretty sick. So Baron goes out
Speaker 1: in fourth place for one point eight million dollars, and
Speaker 1: then Achamov again, this time three handed play. He beats
Speaker 1: Ruy Ferrara's ace king was six four. Ferrera flops top
Speaker 1: two pair but runner runner flush for Okamov again with
Speaker 1: the six four following six four. So six four if
Speaker 1: you're if you're playing in the GG poker streets, six
Speaker 1: floor is just you know, it breaks everything and you
Speaker 1: can you can just win every hand with it.
Speaker 2: That's you know. I remember back in the day he
Speaker 2: used to say, like I think it was pucking nines
Speaker 2: was like the stars nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, the GG nuts. And then so Ruy
Speaker 1: Ferrera goes out in third place for just a under
Speaker 1: two point four million dollars, and then Okamov his heads
Speaker 1: up with Ditrich. Okamoa has the chip ley, but Dietrich
Speaker 1: ends up coming out on top. Achamov takes three point
Speaker 1: one million dollars for his finish. Also at the final table,
Speaker 1: Benjamin Rolli in eighth place. Ben CB as he's often
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Speaker 1: WSP online main event that took place on gg Poker
Speaker 1: was part of a series that had thirty three gold
Speaker 1: bracelet events, so we are up to who knows how
Speaker 1: many racelet events have been given out this year. Just
Speaker 1: some highlights from the series. Not going to go through
Speaker 1: every single winner, but even number two was a three
Speaker 1: hundred dollars Gladiators. It had eleven thousand, six hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty entries. Rit Varz s Collins won it for four
Speaker 1: hundred and nine thousand dollars. Bryn Kenny got his second
Speaker 1: gold brace, so that when he won a ven number
Speaker 1: three the twenty one hundred dollars bounty. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of bounties on here, and if you look at
Speaker 1: WSP dot com for several of the events, first and
Speaker 1: second place are the same because they don't include the
Speaker 1: obviously the bounty money. So I just think that's kind
Speaker 1: of interesting for historical purposes. Ven number seven was a
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars buying mystery millions that had
Speaker 1: fifty two thousand, four hundred and fifty two entries. God
Speaker 1: Damn Vlad Darier won it for six hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars. There was a million dollar top bounty
Speaker 1: in this thing. I don't know who won it, but
Speaker 1: it happened Dennis Wallaz Number seventeen, the fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: Millionaire Maker for one million, two hundred and eighty seven
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. This had four thousand, nine hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: four entries. There was a four hundred dollars colossus on
Speaker 1: the schedule. It drew thirteen thousand, one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: seven entries. Igor Zemstaff won it for six hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars. Garofolo Francesco won the twenty five k
Speaker 1: GG Millions Super high Roller for one point one million.
Speaker 1: It had two hundred and thirty entries. Bryn Kenny, You're sorry.
Speaker 1: Chris Brewer finished in a second place where eight round
Speaker 1: and sixty five K Brin Kenny got third for six
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven K. Patrick Leonard fourth, Dimitar Dante fifth,
Speaker 1: Adrian Matteo sixth, Roman Hrabec seventh, and Ole Chemion took
Speaker 1: eighth place. Simon Eric Matson won event number thirty the
Speaker 1: twenty one hundred dollars six Max Bounty had twelve hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty entries, his second gold bracelet. He won the
Speaker 1: gg Poker WSOP Online main event in twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: for Jeshi two point eight million dollars and then a
Speaker 1: bit of redemption for Ruy Ferrara. After that that crazy
Speaker 1: bust out in the main event in third place again
Speaker 1: when his ace king was beaten by Achamov's six '
Speaker 1: four Despite for a flopping top two pair, Frera goes
Speaker 1: on to win the five K Polo, which was event
Speaker 1: number thirty one for two hundred and forty five K
Speaker 1: Ilis Parsonen got second four one hundred and eighty two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, continuing to prove just how good he is
Speaker 1: at PLO is the fin He also got fourth in
Speaker 1: the ten K PLO for one hundred and twenty nine
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and then Sergio Ado topped off the series
Speaker 1: event number thirty three, the ten thousand three dollars GGI
Speaker 1: Millions high Roller one four hundred and thirty three entries.
Speaker 1: Aido won one point nine three five million dollars his
Speaker 1: second bracelet. He won the fifty K during the summer
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. So that is WSP online. So I
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a gripe here, a little
Speaker 1: bit of a complaint, okay, And I don't really know
Speaker 1: event No, I don't really know who to direct it towards.
Speaker 1: I guess I would direct it towards some media companies.
Speaker 1: I guess I would direct it towards the operators. It
Speaker 1: feels next to impossible to find out the results of
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. W coop just wrapped up
Speaker 1: like it's just so hard, it's so like it's complicated.
Speaker 1: I was I had a really good friend of mine
Speaker 1: was deep in this ws AP Online Main Event. I
Speaker 1: think he took eleventh place. Couldn't sweat it? Like I can't.
Speaker 1: I can down. Are you trying to start live reporting anything?
Speaker 1: Like I can I can't down. I can download the
Speaker 1: client here, but when I when I go in, I
Speaker 1: need to create an account to like actually see the
Speaker 1: players and stuff and like open a table, and I
Speaker 1: can't create an account, So like why like why isn't
Speaker 1: there Like this is the w AP Main Event online,
Speaker 1: there's more than four million dollars out topic. Why aren't
Speaker 1: we just like bringing out Jeff Gross doing multiple days
Speaker 1: of live streaming.
Speaker 2: I mean there was some live streaming.
Speaker 1: Yeah for the final table. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like you want most stuff, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: And like w coop, it's just like it's impossible to
Speaker 1: like try and find this stuff. And I know w
Speaker 1: CUP obviously had some some streams that they were doing,
Speaker 1: but like still, like the live reporting that was done
Speaker 1: on Poker News wasn't that good. Like there's just not
Speaker 1: a lot of articles that are out there after the fact,
Speaker 1: like announcing like who won. Like it's just not I
Speaker 1: think I miss you know what I miss? I miss
Speaker 1: pocket fives dot Com that's what I missed who focused
Speaker 1: on the online stuff and was on top of it
Speaker 1: at all times to spring it back. I mean it
Speaker 1: has changed to poker steak dot com, but like it's
Speaker 1: just it's hard, like even now, like you go on
Speaker 1: you go on WSP dot com, like they're running they're
Speaker 1: running bracelet events right now here in the US, Like
Speaker 1: I have no idea who won the events. There have
Speaker 1: been three or four of them so far, Like I
Speaker 1: want to know, I want to know what's happening multiple positives.
Speaker 1: They just had a circuit series on WSP dot com.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know when that happened last month,
Speaker 1: like a long time ago. They only have results for
Speaker 1: the first seven events, like I mean results.
Speaker 2: Well, the two parts of this. Firstly, you were talking
Speaker 2: about the updates, the recap articles. You know, maybe the
Speaker 2: media outlets out there, poker News, cord players, cetera. Don't
Speaker 2: see value in them. The second part is.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have my my my. My debate to that
Speaker 1: is poker Stars has a Poker Stars blog, Like there's
Speaker 1: there's streaming, there's this like.
Speaker 2: This Pocusar is a little different, but the.
Speaker 1: Streaming is where I think it should go because that
Speaker 1: feels very easy lift when it's an online thing, like
Speaker 1: you're just you have an overlay, you have one commentator,
Speaker 1: like you know, like.
Speaker 2: I think out there, let's go. The easiest thing to do. Sure,
Speaker 2: just like John Smith wins event three of them.
Speaker 1: Is putting it on social media, like let's like a tweet.
Speaker 2: The other problem is, you know, we're being told from
Speaker 2: people that care about the results or need the results,
Speaker 2: such as handing the mob et cetera. It's hard to
Speaker 2: get some of these results from gig so they and
Speaker 2: don't get them at all, and they.
Speaker 1: Gg don't you want like don't you want it?
Speaker 2: Someone that is the operator, whether it's gg slash WSP
Speaker 2: dot com being more proactive about a sending the results,
Speaker 2: b leaving the results in the client on WSP dot com.
Speaker 2: And third, do they want promotion of this? Do they want?
Speaker 2: Like they want promotion of the WSP live here in
Speaker 2: Vegas and Bahamas and Europe. But why they why they
Speaker 2: wouldn't care as much about on them?
Speaker 1: Let me let me say something that I probably should
Speaker 1: have said at the start in this little rant here,
Speaker 1: is that maybe I'm just a complete big oaf and
Speaker 1: I'm missing it, But I feel like I'm as tapped
Speaker 1: into the industry as everyone and like in like the
Speaker 1: last couple of days of like w coop and stuff,
Speaker 1: like I would go on to Poker News, I would
Speaker 1: go on to poker steak dot com because I know
Speaker 1: they write articles. I would like try and search on
Speaker 1: social media. I would try and go to the Poker
Speaker 1: Stars blog but didn't find anything. And sometimes I can't
Speaker 1: even go to the Poker Star's website because it tells
Speaker 1: me it's not in my area. And I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: just a website, Like what are we doing here? And
Speaker 1: like it just like why why aren't I Like I
Speaker 1: can say the WPT is not doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: not having a guarantee. I have non stop seeing this
Speaker 1: club WPT goal free role. It is in my face.
Speaker 1: I have to like shut my computer to not see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that is what I would expect from this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, right, Like it's it's the super Bowl, it's
Speaker 1: the World Series in baseball, it's whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: it's in your face, in your face, in your face.
Speaker 1: Why isn't this in my face? Right? Like I want
Speaker 1: to follow this stuff and I want to know about it.
Speaker 1: And I want to see who won and who had
Speaker 1: big results and all this sort of stuff, but I
Speaker 1: can never I can never find it. And it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like pocketfives dot com was like
Speaker 1: the one place that they obviously prioritized all the online stuff,
Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes they would, you know, in the
Speaker 1: old days, they would go out to the World Series
Speaker 1: of Poker and only cover the online guys and all
Speaker 1: their leaderboards and all this sort of stuff. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I missed that. But I also wish that
Speaker 1: there was just more coverage in general about the online stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I just I feel like it's it's lacking,
Speaker 1: and it's it's hard because I want, I want to
Speaker 1: follow this stuff. I do, like I want to know
Speaker 1: what happened, who won, like you know. So yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's my little, my little complaint there.
Speaker 2: Pocket sixes dot com is available Pocket.
Speaker 1: Sixes dot com. Pocket six I mean, I do think
Speaker 1: that it is an opening in the space, you know, if.
Speaker 2: If you need to be based in Europe.
Speaker 1: No you don't, I've thought about this. If you I'm
Speaker 1: not going to give out to all my secrets on
Speaker 1: this podcast, but I have I have the whole plan
Speaker 1: mapped out in my head, and you do not need to.
Speaker 2: We need to highest someone base in Europe.
Speaker 1: Shut up with the plan, Okay, do not be giving
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 2: To people who's gonna take it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a lot of good ideas, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just need to like execute them, you know what,
Speaker 1: shameless plug. I got a bunch of events listed on
Speaker 1: poker steak dot com. Go find them by action. Why not, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be at an apt Las Vegas. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you are.
Speaker 2: I'm playing.
Speaker 1: I think you should be. There's a bunch of mixed
Speaker 1: game stuff on.
Speaker 2: The play mixed games. I'll resigned. I'm not good enough.
Speaker 2: I'll play cash game. That's it. I'm gonna play the
Speaker 2: cash game. Robby has a cash game festival, going to
Speaker 2: play some.
Speaker 1: He is bringing his quote unquote mixed game festival to
Speaker 1: Resorts World, and then I think the the mixed game
Speaker 1: events on a present at the schedule are presented by
Speaker 1: card Lifestyle. So good for Robbie there.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna play the cash games, donate a few bucks,
Speaker 2: try and win a few bucks. We'll say I'm probably
Speaker 2: going to fire the nap t Cup, and.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, probably yet on the
Speaker 1: Poker Masters streams REMCO, every time we promoted an APT
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, he said he was going to come play
Speaker 1: the Mystery Bout zero. Do you really think he's gonna
Speaker 1: I hope he does.
Speaker 2: When was the last time he played a poker.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he needs to come play. And
Speaker 1: the Mystery Valain is perfect because like you can just
Speaker 1: get lucky in whatever. He's not coming, but that's that
Speaker 1: would be a good one to play too, to kick
Speaker 1: things off. That one an APT Cup, I think playing
Speaker 1: on playing the they have a run Good Open in
Speaker 1: partnership with Run Good.
Speaker 2: How much is that eleven too much?
Speaker 1: I think it's a two day event. Think it has
Speaker 1: two flights on the first day, Okay, first one is
Speaker 1: regular second later once when they do that, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then obviously day two I'm gonna play the main event,
Speaker 1: which I think is gonna be I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really big.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, good price point fifty.
Speaker 1: Three price point three million dollar guarantee. So there's that,
Speaker 1: and then that NPT Cup five hundred fifty dollars buy
Speaker 1: and I think it's three hundred k guaranteed in that one,
Speaker 1: so I'll be firing in that one. And then all
Speaker 1: three of those events of mine are on poker stake
Speaker 1: dot com. You can find them as well as I'm
Speaker 1: playing on bracelet events. But you got those listed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do actually have those listed. I'm only going to
Speaker 1: play I think, on Sundays. But it's really interesting because
Speaker 1: they have all these bracelet events, but they're they're not
Speaker 1: every day, okay, so like they take some days off,
Speaker 1: like they took them Monday off, which is kind of acceptable,
Speaker 1: but you know, because Monday is just not a big
Speaker 1: day and all in poker, and then they have one
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I don't think they had one on Wednesday whatever.
Speaker 1: But then they also have these online championships which they
Speaker 1: announced on social media. Yet you can't like find the
Speaker 1: schedule anywhere other than the client. So I think that
Speaker 1: that's weird. Even Daniel mcgrondniy like commented.
Speaker 2: On all that.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, guys, like you might can you
Speaker 1: put the schedule like somewhere on you know, wisip dot com.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's on there now, let me check.
Speaker 2: Woy you have the ninth Oh no, you have the.
Speaker 1: Don't say my name.
Speaker 2: Don't say your name. I'm saying you're the eighth featured
Speaker 2: player on Focusing dot com. I've on the list. I'm
Speaker 2: just telling anything.
Speaker 1: I post a lot of stuff on there. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great platform for that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, they finally this photo.
Speaker 1: It's a great foot It's.
Speaker 2: Terrible they did.
Speaker 1: They did. Uh, they did post the online championships finally
Speaker 1: on a dot com.
Speaker 2: But it shouldn't be up to as to ask for it.
Speaker 2: Should just that should be the first thing you think about.
Speaker 1: And even even the online bracelets. I mean they they
Speaker 1: announced them like nine days beforehand, Like I mean I
Speaker 1: know that, Like they're obviously geared towards the states where
Speaker 1: you can play on dot com. But maybe for a
Speaker 1: big series like that, you get some people that say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll come from Colorado and come come getting
Speaker 1: Airbnb and just play online. Like maybe maybe you do
Speaker 1: something like that. Right. I took third in one of
Speaker 1: the online championship events. Just want to point that out.
Speaker 1: Jeff Platt one one wow. He won the I believe
Speaker 1: was the five hundred dollars mystery bounty that they had
Speaker 1: for fourteen k or something like that. So shout out,
Speaker 1: Jeff flat what do.
Speaker 2: You have a trophy event.
Speaker 1: So you you compete for like some sort of championship belt.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that like it has a leader board. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a crap ton of events. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like every day, there's like every day, I think there's
Speaker 1: a warm up event like in the like morning or
Speaker 1: early afternoon, which is like a very small buy in,
Speaker 1: and then I actually like what they've done here is
Speaker 1: that they do every day they have a bronze, silver,
Speaker 1: and gold level, so like bronze is obviously the lowest
Speaker 1: buying Like yeah, so I think that that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So like you know, like like on the day that
Speaker 1: when Jeff won the Mystery Bounty, you know, they had
Speaker 1: a thirty three, a one hundred, and a five hundred,
Speaker 1: which I think that that's a good way to do stuff.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, so they have that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's actually funny. So they announced the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: Doubasip online, world's largest online poker festival. Okay, that takes
Speaker 1: place September twenty ninth through November twelfth. It is thirty
Speaker 1: three bracelet events. I mean, it's a Ton. I mean
Speaker 1: this is also if you pair this with if you're
Speaker 1: coming out for NPG Las Vegas, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: bracelet events happening, so you can play online too, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of a good time to be in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas for that. But then also they have these online
Speaker 1: championships that are running from September twenty ninth through October
Speaker 1: twenty seventh. Then they have aubas AP Online Super Circuit
Speaker 1: that is running October fifth through twenty second, so all
Speaker 1: three these same things are happening at the same time.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's a lot of stuff happening. A
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happening. The upgrade to the WSP platform
Speaker 1: is god, it's such a blessing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's probably one or two things that might
Speaker 1: need to be improved a little bit, but overall, I mean, god,
Speaker 1: it's thank god they did it. Thank God they did it.
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome. And the player pools have been good
Speaker 1: obviously with the inclusion of Michigan, so it's good to see.
Speaker 1: And then I saw I was reading something on I
Speaker 1: think Poker Fuse or maybe Poker Industry Pro, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: They said that they anticipate. Oh I saw. I went
Speaker 1: to the site and I saw a banner for betmjam
Speaker 1: Nevada like they had they had doubsip dot com Nevada Review,
Speaker 1: but then right next to it they had betemgam Nevada Review.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's weird. Benem Jam's not in Nevada.
Speaker 1: And I clicked it and it was like, we anticipated
Speaker 1: to launch this year.
Speaker 2: So I was like twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it said this year if not said
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. But I mean, I just I thought
Speaker 1: that that was interesting, right, I mean, it's October, so
Speaker 1: that would mean yeah, here betmgam Poker Nevada review. Let
Speaker 1: me click on it. I'm on poker. We predict that
Speaker 1: bet mgm will launch its online poke room in Nevada
Speaker 1: at some point this year. Is the first sentence.
Speaker 2: That's the way being pokefuser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the poker Fuse people are extremely tapped in
Speaker 1: and they generally know it. Goes on to say the
Speaker 1: operator holds the necessary license from the Nevada Gaming Control Board,
Speaker 1: and everything looks in line for it to become the
Speaker 1: first online poker operator to join w SOP dot com
Speaker 1: in the state. Well, isn't that incorrect? Because Ultimate Poker
Speaker 1: was in the state, and I think South Point didn't.
Speaker 1: They have some weird thing that lasted like a week
Speaker 1: or a month or something. I'm pretty sure they did
Speaker 1: south Point and there was like three people that played.
Speaker 1: By the way, you brought up the four and allar
Speaker 1: tournament at South Point, which I think is now gone.
Speaker 1: I think what I'm pretty sure that it lasted one
Speaker 1: time because I didn't play a bit, I know, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying they had that. I think the four and
Speaker 1: doll price point is too high. I think it needs
Speaker 1: to be three hundred. Do they have a two in
Speaker 1: dollar tournament?
Speaker 2: Yeah? If the Friday Saturday is not two hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I think I think the Sunday one should be.
Speaker 1: If they have a big one on Sunday, should be
Speaker 1: three hundred. That would be my thing. But anyway, we're
Speaker 1: just talking about a bunch of nonsense now and it's
Speaker 1: been way too long. That's gonna do it for this
Speaker 1: episode unless you have anything else, No, sir, Big month
Speaker 1: of Poker on Poker Go in October. We have the
Speaker 1: PLO series which is coming up, and then we have
Speaker 1: Super high Rollable PLO of course, High six Poker and
Speaker 1: now Gamble in the Future are running. We have next
Speaker 1: month the Texas PLO Roundup, which I know Tim is
Speaker 1: freaking pumped for. I didn't know the guy cared.
Speaker 2: About PLO, Like everyone loves it.
Speaker 1: You are like the I know you're the PGT Commissioner,
Speaker 1: but you're also like the PLO commissioner, just with how
Speaker 1: much like you've like this the PGT PLO series, like
Speaker 1: doing the series down in Texas, Like you know all
Speaker 1: these guys coming this month, they'll fucking love you, like
Speaker 1: what you're doing for like that specific game, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like you are like the de facto
Speaker 1: ploer and a lot.
Speaker 2: Ever play it.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Do you think the the PLO
Speaker 1: series is gonna be big or like some pullback or.
Speaker 2: No, I think it'll be good. It's it's hard to
Speaker 2: all the guys all the ill I have to assume
Speaker 2: they're all coming. But until I see people walk in,
Speaker 2: that first event is always when I know we're going
Speaker 2: to be big. But we'll see. There's no distractions this year,
Speaker 2: there's no splits of the schedule. The the sup By
Speaker 2: roller Ball falls after and I think that's good. All
Speaker 2: the big stuff around town is not happening, so I'm
Speaker 2: bullish on it as always. It's plo. It's gonna get
Speaker 2: people to come from all around the country and we'll
Speaker 2: be good.
Speaker 1: Sweet all right, Well that's gonna be for us. My
Speaker 1: name is Donny Peters, his name is Tim Duckworth. Hit
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Speaker 1: guys know how to help us grow and we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And again, if you're at any BT Las Vegas in
Speaker 1: early November, comes say hi to Tim and I. We'll
Speaker 1: be there for a few days. Talk to you guys later.
Speaker 2: So you