Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a brand new episode of
The Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His
name across the table from me is Tim Duckworth. Looking amazing.
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I just know. I mean, it's definitely yeah, it's definitely
a Halloween slash scary movie themed, which is fitting because
it is October third, we are in the month of Halloween.
So here we go. I guess a big episode today,
not many topics, but I'm assuming we're gonna have some
strong opinions, maybe some debate back and forth. Because the
World Poker Tour finally announced its and I guess I
should use quotation marks here guarantee, so we'll talk about that.
We have the conclusion to WPT Australia, so sticking with
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we go WPT's announcement. It's here, Free roll baby, five
million dollars free roll. That's the big announcement.
Speaker 2: Yes, love it.
Speaker 1: So I'll quickly set the table and then we'll just
we'll just dive into it. So we had been waiting, waiting, waiting,
as we talked about it many times on this podcast.
You know, what is the WPT gonna do for its
World Championship guarantee? Are they going to run it back
with forty million? Are they going to decrease it? Is
there any chance that they go higher? What did you say?
You said fifty said, yeah, you're nuts.
Speaker 2: Not nuts. You asked me what would I do it
if I was king for today, and I said I
wouldn't match it, I wouldn't go.
Speaker 1: So they finally announced what they're doing, and what they
are doing is a five million dollar free roll that
is a marketing promotion for their new endeavor Club WPT Gold.
So it is different than the regular club WPT that
has been around for quite some time. We'll discuss exactly
what it is, but that's that. That was the big announcement,
a five million dollar free roll, what they are calling
the largest free roll of all time in poker history,
however you want to classify it. I believe that that's true.
I don't know of any free role that was bigger
than that. But it's interesting that they're they're kind of
coming with that that marketing message because I'll get into
that a little later.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: That also comes with the announcement, or maybe lack of
an announcement, that there isn't a guarantee on the ten
thousand dollars World Championship. So all the eggs are essentially
in this basket of this Club WPT Gold five million
dollar free roll. It seems to be the heavy marketing push.
Everything that you see on all the WPT channels, from
all the WPT ambassadors, all that sort of stuff is
free roll, free roll, free roll, five million dollars. We're
going to be qualifying all these people into it. So yeah,
so they're doing that on the back end of things,
no guarantee for the World Championship. So I guess let's
take it back to when this was announced, what a
week and a half ago or so, you see this
news come across you know, what's what's your initial thoughts
in the moment, if you can try and like go
back a few days we are we are recording this
about I don't know, eight nine days after that news
initial dropped, so we've had some time to kind of
think about things. But but going back to it, you know,
what were your like first thoughts, like were you wowed,
were you surprised? Were you let down? Like what was
what was the feeling?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think my feelings would be pretty similar
to everyone else in the world. I think we'll surprise
there was no guarantee let down as well.
Speaker 1: But there is a guarantee.
Speaker 2: No, there isn't.
Speaker 1: It's on the free roll.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, but what I'm about to say was that,
but they gave you this other little thing present side
event free roll that was you know, tried to soften
the blow, I would say, And I think it's not
a horrible idea. I just wish that was a guarantee
on the moment, that's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my my initial thoughts were, Wow, I
didn't think they would do no guarantee on the World Championship,
you know. I was of the opinion that they would
scallop back. I did not think that they would scalop
back to zero. But it's a pretty big bet.
Speaker 2: I mean, scaling back to zero better than scaling back
to say, fifteen million.
Speaker 1: In my opinion. No, I think you should have just
gone with fifteen million. I mean I would have gone
with more than fifteen million, but I think twenty five,
you know, would have been the number. And I think,
like with when you do something like that, you know,
I think so oftentimes in everything, you know, people are
so concerned about spinning some sort of message or you know,
possibly lying or whatever. Not that not that wt's line.
I'm just kind of using a general example when in
the in the correct thing to do is just apologize
and move on in a way, or just like admit
defeat and move on, or say you were wrong and
move on. In this, like in a lot of cases,
in you know, real life stuff, if you just say
you're sorry and move on, fine. In a case like this,
you know, a poker guarantee, which doesn't involve any sort
of apologizing. Just be like, listen, we shot for the
moon at forty million, we missed. Maybe we got a
little bit too ahead of ourselves. We're gonna pull it back,
but we're still going to give you something really great.
Here's twenty five or here's thirty, right, which I think
is extremely achievable given one the turnout that they had
last year. You know, all the brand power that WPT has,
all the loyalty that people express towards WPT, and then
also from everything that I could tell, all the qualifiers
that they're going to have for this thing. So from
what I've been told, they're still going to qualify it.
From what I've been told. And also, if you've listened
to the car wash that Adam Pliska has been on,
He's done every single podcast under the sun. You know,
if you listen to one, you listen to them all.
But and I've listened to all of them, you have,
I've listened to three of them. Yeah, and it's very
same thing over and over again. So if you listen
to them one, you listen to them all. The number
that they're putting out there that he's putting out there
is right around one thousand qualifiers. I mean, that's a
really solid floor. I part of me doesn't understand why
that number isn't being emphasized more, but I also get
it because you're not trying to achieve a guarantee this time,
so you don't need to emphasize it. Right.
Speaker 2: We're also team promote that stuff because it house built.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I'm saying in this specific situation, when
you don't have a guarantee that you need to hit,
even if that guarantee is fifteen million, so you would
need to achieve you know, approximately fifteen hundred players, you
would still want to push it, right, But if your
guarantee is zero and it doesn't matter what the prize
pool is, then you just go all in on the
free roll. So about this free roll. If you haven't
heard already, you've absolutely been living under a rock because
it's everywhere. If you follow the World Over Tour, which
I'm sure many of you do, or if you follow
any of their ambassadors, any of their you know, WPT
family members, et cetera, this is all they've been talking
about for the past you know, week and a half,
which is what they should be doing now, what they're doing,
And if you head on over to WPT dot com,
you'll find an article that's everything you need to know
about the Club WPT Gold Free Role. So a lot
of this information that I'm about to kind of go
over for what this free roll is is included in
that article. It's going to take place, this free roll
five million dollars free role. It's actually five million and
one hundred dollars because they released that actually before we
hopped on this podcast, they released all the payout structures,
which is kind of a big puzzle, but we'll get
to that. December thirteenth through fifteenth at win Las Vegas.
You know, obviously day one on the thirteenth and then
the final table on the fifteenth. Start times are currently TBA.
So Club WPT Gold is the WPT's new sweepstakes poker model.
If you're familiar with the Global Poker think of it
like that. You go on to the platform, you know,
eventually when it launches, which it says that it's going
to launch an early twenty twenty five. You go on there,
you would buy some sort of currency, you would play
in that currency, and then on the back end, you
could event you know, convert that currency to some sort
of cash out, right. So that's what this is going
to be. Now. One thing that I'll mention is that
from the people that I've talked to there, the regular
version of CLUBWPT is going to stay, which makes sense
because those are extremely different player pools. You know. Club
WPT's regular model is you pay whatever it is, thirty
dollars a month if I think the Diamond tier is
one hundred dollars a month or whatever, and then you
just get access to whatever is available. Right. This one
is it's not real money gaming by definition because it's
sweepstakes model, but it's closer to real money gaming, right,
you know. So that's what Club WPT Gold is. So
if you are familiar with the global poker product, then
you'll probably like what's to come from WPT. From Club
WPT gold. It's a mouthful to say that over and over.
I should just call it gold. But anyway, do you.
Speaker 2: Think it's interesting that it's WPD gold?
Speaker 1: Why? Because of Game of Gold? So I guess that's
one of the first things I thought of. So I thought,
here's a couple of things that I thought was interesting.
Is that so one club wpt gold I think is fine.
I mean whatever, I don't. I don't. I didn't think
of that like you thought of it. What I did
think of though, is they specifically mentioned sweeps coins, which yeah,
that's what Global Poker uses, sweeps coins, right, And then
they also call this entry or ticket to this free
roll a golden passport, which I think gold pass for
poker stars. So like, I like, those are the things
that I'm like, it's not necessarily unique.
Speaker 2: Gold im possible. It's pretty generic term like we use PG.
I mean, I get it, I get I was wondering,
is what's sweep sweep coins. I'm wondering if that's trademark.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea. I have no idea.
I just know the gold of Pepoker uses. They have
gold coins and they have sweeps coins. Those are the
two areas that you can play in. The gold coins
are the completely freemium. The sweeps coins are the ones
that are are the online currency model or however you
want to describe it. So this free roll, it's going
to be a giveaway for these golden passports, where it
says nearly two thousand people are going to win a
golden passport to come out to Las Vegas to compete
in this club WPT gold five million dollar free roll.
First place is going to be one million dollars. Of
that five million, approximately twenty five percent of the field
is going to be paid. So five hundred and three
players is what they list in this article. And then
they say everyone who makes the money and busts will
have a second chance drawing where one in five will
draw one hundred free entries or one of one hundred
free entries into the ten thousand dollars WPT World Championship.
So from this free rule, I'll get it. Let's let's
just I know they said nearly two thousand, but let's
just say two thousands because it's just easier. So two thousand.
So then you have five hundred people are going to cash. Right,
then you're gonna have one hundred of those five hundred
are going to win a ten k seat to the
World Championship. So you have that. Okay, so you're you're
the floor of entries in the in the World Championship
is well it's.
Speaker 2: One hundred, right, No, but he you already mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't. I haven't been able to find out,
like exactly where all those other stuff coming. I mean
they're having like I'm assuming there's some live qualifiers. There's
obviously WPT Global is going to be satelliting people in.
I did look at the win schedule because the full
schedule is out now, by the way. So they have
two hundred and forty satellites at the festival. Okay, So
if you include those two hundred and forty satellites ask
the festival, you include these one hundred qualifiers. So that's
three forty right there.
Speaker 2: Okay, for a second, I thought you meant two hundred
and forty individual satellites.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, but they have a ton
of satellites, but two hundred. Like they have like a
bunch of twenty five seat guarantees. They brought back the
seventy five seat guarantee, like you know, all that sort
of stuff is happening again. So from from what I counted,
it's two hundred and forty seats during the festival in December.
At Win they also have stuff like at this upcoming
win Fall Poker Classic, they have a satellite there and
I think it's three seats guaranteed. If I remember correctly.
If I'm wrong, I apologize. But so that's where they're
you know, ultimately getting this number of one thousand SOT
pretty good floor overall. Now are they going to push
towards there? And thirty five inches is what they got
last year in the WT World Championship. Of course, it
had that forty million dollar guarantee that they missed on
by I think right around two and a half million
that the WPT had to eat as it pertains to
this club WPT Gold Free roll. Just getting back to that,
they have a mystery bounty format as well, where I
believe it's at two hundred and ninety seven players remaining.
That's when like the mystery bounty format kicks in. There's
two forms of this mystery bounty. Okay, there's two hundred
and eighty eight times the mystery bounties ranging from five
hundred dollars to one thousand dollars. Then there are eight
mystery bounties for the final table reserved for the final table.
But one of those eight, sir, is zero dollars.
Speaker 2: Brutal, but I love it.
Speaker 1: So the payouts for this thing, which we're announced today
million dollars up top second place two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars horrible, seems insane, but okay, third place one
twenty five, then seventy five to fifty, forty thirty, twenty
five twenty those are.
Speaker 2: For the top facilitates chucks right, because it's gonna have
to be one of miss guaranteed.
Speaker 1: As I understand it, anyone is part of the eligible
jurisdictions in the US and Canada believe it is. Can
go to CLUBWPT gold dot com and just sign up
for a free account. You can put your information in.
Tim and I both have have done it already and
they're going to be drawing people from there to win
these golden passports to then come out to Las Vegas
and compete in this five million dollar free rold. There
are going to be other ways they've mentioned, like you know,
some social media giveaways and whatnot, which they've they've done
in the past as it relates to the WPT World Championship.
So if if you fancy yourself, you know, wanting to
get into this five million dollar free role that they're
having and in I guess celebration of the new project
that is Club WPT Gold, then then head on over
to clubwpt gold dot com and just sign up part
of the mystery bounties. They're going to have two one
hundred thousand dollars bounties as top prizes. Everyone at the
final table gets a minimum of twenty thousand dollars, which
I already mentioned, and then there's their own pool of
mystery bounties for there, uh, you know, with the with
a two or three dollars mystery bounding up for grabs.
So I mean you could you could win the tournament,
right and then also get some of these mystery boundies
and win more than a million dollars. You know, you
could come in second place, get the biggest mystery bounty
and then you you know, you have four hundred and
fifty thousand dollars. Is that how I understand it? So again,
all of this is in celebration for the launch of
Club WPT Gold that is coming in what they've listed
as early twenty twenty five. I believe the exact line
is the site is expected to launch in early twenty
twenty five. I do find it interesting. So I've had
it's been again eight nine ten days or however since
this has been announced, and I've I've had some a
pretty big tug of war in my head on how
I feel about all of this. So on one hand,
I think the the venture into the sweepstakes poker model
is good, but I have some questions. I mean, in
my opinion, the WPT has always been notoriously conservative, So
I'm wondering, like, what has finally been the motivation to
get in right Is it simply seeing the success of
somebody like a global poker and they said, you know what,
we have a big enough brand, let's get into this.
I think, you know, it's been no secret. You can
just you know, there's been a lot of talk about
Global Poker, Chumbu Casino all owned by you know, VGW,
and and how much money that they've been pulling in
in revenue every single year. A lot of that stuff
has been out there more recently in the news. So
is that kind of like one of the things where
WPT is looking at it and saying like, we need
to try and get in there and get a piece
of this pie. The other side of me says, you know,
are they too late to the party, because there's been
some pushback in the sweepstakes gambling world. You know, for example,
Michigan has said, you guys can't operate here anymore, you know,
stuff like that. You know, So is is there going
to be some pushback? Is there going to be some
lobbying behind closed doors from real money gaming operators who
are required to like you know, jump through hoops to
get legalized in certain states and pay all these license fees,
these taxes and et cetera. Right, are they gonna then
lobby behind closed doors being like, hey, knock knock, government,
what are you doing letting these people get in here
and operate basically? And I don't know forty five plus
states or whatever it is, right, So like there's stuff
like that. So I where we sit right now, We
obviously don't have an answer to that. But what I
will say is that this could be the moment in
time where in five, ten, fifteen years, whatever it is,
where we say we should have known and it's it's
there are two sides that we should have known. It's
one we should have known that sweepstakes casinos, sweepstakes poker
were completely safe, just knowing how concern servative WPT has
been in the past, and they finally got in, so
they must feel it's worthwhile to get into this, and
it's it's safe enough to get into this. You know,
there's not going to be like some giant regulatory shutdown
like that's that's one side of things where we've been like, yeah,
we should have known, and we should have like other
companies should have been more willing to get into this
model because WBT got into it. The other side of
things is that, you know, are they too late to
the party? And like you're gonna be able to tell
from that, you know, so should we have known at
the time that they're too late to the party, just
given the fact that there's been some increased talk of pushback.
So then if this like all comes crumbling down in
the upcoming years, you know, is it going to be like, yeah,
we should have known that they were too late to
the party. So you can kind of go either way.
And that's like just something that you know, we're putting
out there that we can possibly revisit in the future.
So I just find that that's an interesting thing to
to kind of think about. You know. Again, I've I've
gone kind of back and forth in my mind because
I think getting into this sort of model for the
WPT is a good thing. I mean, if you're gonna
try it, you have to try it now. You can't
wait any longer. Yeah. I like the fact that they're
putting they're putting an absolute minimum five million dollars in
marketing behind this project, which is this free role. Now.
Is it gonna work? We don't know yet, but they
are betting with their wallets, okay, And obviously that five
million dollars in marketing is going to be more because
you know, you're gonna have to spend some money to
actually market the thing, like you know, so it's probably
like seven and a half million, I have no idea, right,
you also have to build the platform and whatever, and
then when it does launch in what they they are
listing as early twenty twenty five, I'm assuming there's gonna
be some more marketing push there, right, So, I mean,
I don't think it's out of the question to say
they're spending seven and a half to ten minsion dollars
to try and get this thing off the ground and
up and running. So I think that coming out with
such a big promotion like this club WPT five million
dollar free roll can help cut down the gap that
you have between other operators in this space, you know,
because if you just can't try and kind of come
in cold, you know, you're you're you're definitely gonna have
to play catch up here. You can maybe accelerate that
ketchup a little bit, you're still going to be behind
other operators, yes, but we'll see. And then I think
a lot of it's just going to come down to
what does the platform itself look like, Because if it's
a good quality platform, I think a lot of people
will flock there. Naturally, WPT has a good brand, the globe,
the WPT Global platform is very good. The Club WPT platform,
the regular one is not good. So so like if
they're basically just going to take like you know, the
development of the the global platform, kind of use that
and then a here, I think that's great, you know,
especially if you can do things like play it on mobile,
you know, adequately, multi table, et cetera. Secondary to that,
where I think that you can really help, you know,
close the gap between somebody like them in a global
poker for example, is if they're going to use live
event qualification, that's huge. If they can use the Club
WPT Gold platform to qualify people for their live poker tournaments.
Because the World Poker too has such a big brand,
then that's a really big boost to them as well.
You know, if you can win into you know, Seminal
Hard Rock or whatever it may be, went into the
World Championship, et cetera. Now they do stuff on Club
ept on the regular site. But it's like, you know,
one seed a month. It's it's you know, much much
harder because of the model and the way that it
shakes out here. You know, it's again it's it's not
real money online gaming by definition. It's just more closely
aligned so you can do you know, kind of satellite
qualifiers in more of a general sense that people understand
out there. So I'm curious to see how that all
plays out. So on one side of me says, okay,
this is a very cool promotion. This is a good
way to announce it. You know, they're going to get again,
approximately two thousand people that are into this event, five
hundred of them are going to make the money. One
person's gonna win a million dollars, a bunch of other
people are gonna win a lot of money. On a
hundred people are going to then go on to have
an experience of playing in the ten K World Championship.
So there's a lot to be had here from a
player experience aspect, coupled with the fact that one thing
we know about the World Poker Tour is they bank
on player experience. That is like their core, their foundation.
So I would imagine I would expect nothing less of
the WPT that they're going to roll out the red
carpet for these two thousand people and essentially make them
ambassadors for the Club WPT gold product, right, because if
you win in you come out to Las Vegas, you
have an amazing time. You know, win money or don't
win money. You know, if if that experience is great,
you're gonna just go back and tell people how great
the WPT brand is and why they should play on
Club WPT goal. So, like, you know, that's on the
back end now. I do also have questions of the
WPT World Championship, Like so, like the purest in me says,
doing this without a guarantee seems incredibly silly. I mean, like,
so I don't know how I feel about it. I mean,
how do you feel. I've been talking forever, so just
to talk say something.
Speaker 2: Look, I was teamed run it back with forty million,
dropping it down to twenty five or thirty or fifteen,
and maybe they didn't want to do that. That's fine.
I still think people are gonna play. I still think
people are gonna stay here in Vegas or come to Vegas.
There's enough events on the schedule, which we'll probably touch
on a little later, but I think the main event
will be fine. It's not going to have probably anything
near what it had last year. Could it eclipse the
first year twenty two? Possibly?
Speaker 1: So let me just quickly jump in twenty twenty two
nine hundred and sixty entries and then last year three
thy eight hundred and thirty five. In that first year
in twenty twenty two, the guarantee was fifteen million. I
think they got right around twenty nine million. Last year
they obviously went all the way up to forty million
dollars in the guarantee. They fell short by you know,
two two and a half million dollars whatever it was,
three eight hundred and thirty five entries.
Speaker 2: So continue, So I think it will be fine. Yeah,
I think it's kind of bad for players if they're
trying to go to war with GG not having a
guarantee definitely, definitely is going to hurt when it comes
to the sweepstakes product. I like it. I'm a fan
of it. You said WPT. Obviously we've both spent time
with them. Are very you know, they're not going to
just kind of gamble on these things. So maybe this
is a positive sign for that platform. In this industry,
we talk about Global poker, there's a couple of new
ones that just came out, plus now this one. Maybe
you know, things are going to be on the up
for the sweepstakes model. So I think it's always good
to have competition. Competition is healthy. Global focer probably doesn't
like it, but I think that will be fine. You're
gonna get who knows, thousands of players with accounts in
the system ready to play. I'm sure. I mean, I
can't remember if you touched on it, but I'm sure
there's something some t's and c's in the prize pool
for this five million dollar freeyear old where some of
the prize pool is allocated to sweep coins.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't seen anything, so I honestly don't
know and if and if they're doing this with the
platform not set to launch. For what I'm guessing is
at least two months. I mean best case, you know,
three weeks or whatever it is until it's January. I
would guess when you're calling something early twenty twenty five,
that means anywhere up to aprils in play. So I
don't think you could. I don't think you could build
in some sort of mechanism where let's say you have
somebody finished in first place for a million dollars and
it's in the t's and c's to award that as
sweeps coins on the platform, and then you're essentially holding
that million for months, right Like, I don't think that
that's going to provide the good pr look that you're
trying to get out of this. So from what I
can tell, this is going to just be all cash.
I mean, we can obviously ask the people over there
how that's going to work out or if there's any
thought to that, but but yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, the five million dollar
free roll is probably is incentive to a wider play
a pool than you know, a forty million dollar guarantee,
mainly because of the price point. Right we're talking about
the main event you're in for ten thousand plus, maybe
a re entry. This free roll attracts a whole different
you know, play a base like I was probably never
direct buying into the main event, but like this three
roll is right up my alley. You know, maybe it's
a way I can get into more events, getting to
potentially the main and I think it's you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's that's still a long shot.
Speaker 2: Sure. But what I'm saying is that I think the
people that were going to play the main already are
going to play it regardless. I'm not say we'll see
too many peoples.
Speaker 1: So I'll say that I was somebody who always bookmarked
this event to play. I essentially pencil in two ten
k's a year, the WSB Main Event and the WPT
World Championship. I am now currently on the fence about
the WPT World Championship. You slap on a guarantee you're in,
I'm in there because I know that. Yeah, it just
it depends. It's it's not that I'm not out. I'm
not saying, but I'm more of a wait and see
because it makes sense because I would when I'm when
I'm somebody who takes a leap to playing a ten
k event, I want to be able to feel comfortable
playing it. I want to have value, right, you know,
if there's going to be eleven, fifteen hundred or whatever
it is, Jeremy Ostmas is in the field. Okay, I'm
not not playing like you know, like but ws a
P main event, you just you know that it's just
gonna be a field full of shot takers, recreationals, et cetera,
like tons of soft spots, so you can feel comfortable there.
Like obviously you're gonna run into very good players at times, yes,
but the majority of players are not ten K buying
level players. The WBT, I think, is a more difficult
ten K than the WSP main event in terms of
player quality. So does the lack of a guarantee make
it even harder? Right? I mean I don't know. The
other thing, well okay, but the other side of that
argument is that all the good players are going to
be in the Mahamas playing twenty five k's and ten
k's and fifty like you know what I mean, Like
all the quo unquote Jeremy Alsi's of the world are
going to the Bahamas. So it's like I'm on that well,
I mean, that's that's just my thinking. So again, it's
not that I'm out, I'm playing it, but it's one
of those things where I'll take more of a wait
and see approach and I'll say, Okay, does this do
I think that this is going to be a good field?
Then yeah, I'll dive in there like I'll I'll probably
play some saddle. It's again, they have a ton of
satellites on offer for this sort of thing, for this thing,
so I'll probably fire into there versus you know, in
years past, I'd be like, I'm not going to bother
the satellite. I'm just gonna I'm just going to sell
the action in play, right, you know, I know there's
gonna be enough people coming out of the woodwork because
of where they put it with the guarantee, I will
say that I think, you know, we had talked about
it many times, but going from fifteen to forty was ridiculous.
I mean it's that's like part of me says that
I wonder if that was there a plan, meaning you
went from fifteen to forty, and the marketing push behind
the forty was biggest guarantee in poker history, which very
much woke up the bear or the bears that are
gg poker in doubyssip because then they came back with
fifty million and said, no, biggest guarantee in poker. Okay, So, like,
did you not think that you were gonna, you know,
wake up that giant from sleeping? Like I like, do
you know what I mean? Like like, were you not
prepared to go head to head like that? That's like
I don't think I was not prepared. I think they
maybe they're still SunShot, Like, but was there anyone in
the room that said, guys, fifteen to forty is a stretch?
What happens if we miss it? What's the plan? Like?
Because when you go from then forty to zero, that
tells me you didn't have a plan, of course, because
if you were to go from forty back to like
let's say twenty or twenty five, which is still an
increase on the first year, Like that's like the you know,
worst case scenario, we miss by a number we're not
comfortable with, we're gonna scalop back. This is what we're
going to scale it back to. You know, So I
feel like there wasn't a plan, right, doesn't feel now?
Kind of along those same lines, I still feel like
they're poking the bear a little bit here because.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna say a WSP five.
Speaker 1: Again. They're saying biggest free roll in poker history, Like
you don't think GG Poker in WSP, which you know
obviously the news came out the GG Poker is in
the process of buying the ws BE, Like you don't
think they're over there saying like guys, let's go like yeah,
next summer, like biggest free for next December, biggest free
like you know what I mean, and clearly like they
don't care. They will go to whatever number it takes,
as you know, emphasized by the fact that they went
to fifty million. Like so it's like, are you now
kind of like poking that bear again? So yeah, that's
that's like, you know, it's kind of like okay, so
then what happens again? Like I I'm still like wrestling
in my mind, if if how this is gonna all
shake out? I mean, I I don't know, and like
you know, I can make arguments for both sides, and
I feel like I can make kind of strong arguments
for both sides. I do feel like there wasn't a
backup plan if you missed the forty million. I think
that's kind of it.
Speaker 2: It feels like that. But like I mean, I mean,
I haven't been in the trenches at WPT like you
have been in the head office. I don't know how
things up right up, and they've being you know, a
little live reporter on the floor Hawaiian gardens and stuff.
So but why gardens. I love the guns, I'd say. Yeah.
One thing that kind of leads me in that direction
is just the way this gold coins the WD goal
kind of came out, news came out, we all signed up,
and then the days after that we started seeing promotions
from their ambassadors, from other content creators use my code,
you know, Rampage to be entered into this and this,
and I obviously we didn't put a promo code in,
so we've missed these drawings like this should have been
an all encompassing marketing plan project release, so that I
could choose, Okay, I would like to be part of
Rampage's promotion or I'd like to be part of Joey
Ingram's promotion.
Speaker 1: And then I asked about that, And so you don't
need to enter a promo code like I think. You
enter your name, your email, and then there's a boxing
promo code. I think that's right now, you don't need
to enter the promo code. But if you do enter
a promo code like one of the ones from the
Ambassadors or whatever. I think there's one like general one
on the WPT site in the everything you need to
Know article, et cetera, then you can possibly get entered
into additional drawings like we've missed that, you know, we've
missed that chance, which silly and like a so I
think that that is.
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew whoever, whoever was in charge
of that it should have been when you released that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that part of the thing, that
part was really buttoned up, you know. But but I
will say that, you know, on the the back end
of things, this is a way that they can then track,
you know, how many people is Rampage driving, how many
people is brad Owen driving? Like, you know, so they
can say, like, oh, five hundred people signed up for this,
but only twenty people signed up for here. Clearly you're
not an ambassador worth anything, right, So like like that's
how you can track things on the back end, like
who which which of your marketing channels have reach.
Speaker 2: How do you track us?
Speaker 1: Well, there's always going to be people that don't sign up.
There's a code. I mean, we ever did in poker
roll all the time.
Speaker 2: Difference with us signing up in the first hour versus
someone signing up in two weeks with the promo code, right, So.
Speaker 1: I mean, who who it? Maybe you can do with
a time thing?
Speaker 2: And I think I didn't. I ask you these are
a promo code? You said, no, a confine one. Someone
asked me if there's a promo corde I said no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did think it was interesting that when so
we both signed up, like right when we saw the
press release hit or in boxes, right, I thought it
was interesting that I went to the website and they
had a box for the promo code, and I was like,
but the site's not live yet. I can't purchase anything,
so what's the point of me entering a promo code.
I didn't even like think that it could be something
that would allow me to get into additional drawings. But whatever,
I don't care. You know, I don't expect to be picked.
So no big deal, not that big of a deal.
So yeah, I just I just wrote a bunch of
other stuff down again. You know, I just thought I
thought it was interesting that, you know, they're still kind
of coming with that you know, biggest in poker history messaging,
only now applying it to the free roll, which you know,
if we know how this went the first time around,
it feels like next year we're going to get some
sort of massive free role coming out of out of
the WSFP or GG Poker or whatever they do a
paradise in December, right, I mean that kind of seems
like that would that would track. I have a concern
and this is like the the fan in me. So
I talked about how like from the industry side of things,
how we're thinking about things. I talked about me specifically,
somebody who has played the WPT World Championship the first
two years that it's been at the win or these
last two years that it's been in the win. But
now I'm kind of much more on the fence. We'll
see how it goes. I'm probably leaning like sixty forty sixty.
I'll be in, you know, just knowing all the qualifiers
and whatnot that they have, but you know, there's still
there's a bigger chance than before that I would miss
this sort of thing before. It was like when they
announced fifteen million, right, it was like, oh my gosh,
like I have to do whatever takes to get in this.
Then they announced forty million, and I was like, okay,
like I might sell one of my kids to get
into this thing. Right now, It's like, okay, I can back.
Not a big deal. You know, maybe I fire you know,
eight bullets into the prime instead. Right. So so yeah,
now we saw the WPT World Championship go from being
this is me speaking like the fan and me. We
saw the WPT World World Championship like the old one, right,
the twenty five k you know, that was one of
the biggest things in poker, and then it like kind
of just slowly like went away. And then they brought
in the WPT Tournament of champions Right then that kind
of slowly goes away. Then they bring in this WPT
World Championship at the WINN and it comes in like
just gangbusters, fifteen million first year, forty million next year,
like everyone's raving about it.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: I always thought the WPT World Championship was awesome, Like
when I first was getting into poker, I freaking loved it.
You know, I hated that it went away, right, I
always thought you coul should have kind of had that
season ending like big buy an event.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I always love to the Tournament of champions. The WPT
hero On Champas I think was incredible. I know it
was extremely like exclusive, small field and that sort of thing.
I freaking love that event. I wish that they would
bring that back. So now I just wonder you go
from fifteen to forty you miss. Now you're at zero.
All the marketing push that I can see so far,
and I know it's it's early, but it is October
and this is coming up in December is all about
this free roll. So like, is this WPT World Championship
just gonna like fall off a cliff?
Speaker 2: No? I don't think it will.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying that's the concern.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the concerent. Yeah, of course, that's the concern.
I get twelve hundred entrants, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now let me speak on that specifically and
you'll be able to like talk to this. I think
my success, my success benchmark is that it needs to
have I think seventeen hundred entries. The reason why I
say that is that the WPT one drop event thing
that happened in the summer at the win twenty twenty
three had sixteen hundred and seventy six This summer at
the win they had their ten K and wasn't WPT,
but it was a ten K had fourteen hundred and
forty entries. So like, I just think that's the I
think that the quote unquote WPT World Championship should be
the biggest thing at the win. Like, if you're WPT,
you should want it to be the biggest ten K
at the win. So the floor is whatever those numbers are.
So I'll say seventeen hundred just to like round up
a little bit. So that's like my if it's like
if they come in and it's twelve hundred, which I
don't really think is possible because they have the one thousand,
eleven hundred satellity, is that what they're saying? So, you know,
but maybe there's a world that it happens.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, So Okay, we all know
that they're going to be like, Okay, let's hit thirty
eight hundred players to show we didn't need a guarantee
to crush. That's not gonna happen. I think their next go,
and it's very it's somewhat attainable, would be to surpass
the twenty twenty two number of twenty nine hundred and sixty.
Now I think they're not good. I'm not saying I'm
not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying that's probably
their that's what they're shooting for. W we know from WPT,
they like they always like to be like, we want
this many entrance. They always have some goal in numbers
when it comes to all their main tour stops. I
think their goal will be twenty nine to sixty one,
and then I think the next one would be maybe
a little bit more where you are like seventeen hundred
to two thousand. Just they want to have a decent
enough prize pool where it's like ends up being you know,
maybe it is fifteen million or something where it doesn't
look so bad, because bad would be a twelve hundred,
et cetera. And the only way that really happens is
if you know, if Adam's really promising eleven one thousand
satellite qualifiers, half of them just take cash or tornament
dollars or whatever they have an option of it, so
it's unlikely to happen. But I don't know exactly if
that thousand is true or if they have a you know,
another option where they can just accept money or cash
or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's definitely been less of a
push this year for the satellite specific to the WPT
World Championship then last year. Obviously last year and then
you and I talked about this. I mean, you have
to hit a forty million dollar guarantee, so you're going
to be pushing the crap out of this. Now. I
mentioned that there are two hundred and forty guaranteed seats
at the win in December, so there's that you have
the one hundred coming from this free roll. So now
you're at three forty. Okay, I would say just based
on a bunch of other stuff. You know, people winning
in VIA, they win a prime, they win WPT, et cetera.
You know you're probably pushing four hundred, three seventy five,
four hundred like you're getting there right, So okay, like
where are these other six hundred coming from? I'm assuming
WPT Global. I guess you know you're going to have
some obviously some some regular Club WPT qualifiers. Yes, So
I just think that, you know, if you do have
an idea of like a number that you benchmark as
success or that you view as respectable, like we don't
want to go below this, et cetera, then start putting
the word out about that sort of stuff like, Okay,
you know fifty people have won from club WPT, like,
you know, sort of stuff. Again, very similar to what
Poker Stars did with that PSPC. Like I thought that
marketing was incredible, right, So I do find it it
interesting that the number is said to be a thousand qualifiers,
so we'll see where it comes from. I also think that, listen,
this is going to be a test of the player
first ideology that the WPT preaches and holds to its core.
And what I mean by that is it's a test
for the community, and I'm curious to see if the
community passes this test, because all the community does when
the WPT puts on this cruise ship thing that probably
lost them a crap ton of money, they do this
incredible stuff over at the wind in December. They're willing
to go up to forty million and go head to
head with the WSP when everyone's like, what are you doing?
That's crazy to go from fifteen to forty, Like you're
doing all this sort of stuff, right, they're constantly player first,
player first, player first, right, they very much say it,
but they also walk the walk, right, just talking the talk,
they do walk the walk when it comes to that.
So did they buy goodwill with the players? Will the
players still show up without a big guarantee on this
event or will the players be like, you know what,
we'll play the prime whatever, but we're not going to
splurge for the ten k. Or if you were going
to splurge for the ten k in years past, you know,
if it has a forty million dollar price tag, maybe
you're firing three four bullets versus this year you're like,
you know what, I'll take one shot, you know. Or
are those players saying like, you know what, why should
I try and reach for a ten K when I
can just reach for a twenty five K and go
play a fifty million dollar guarantee?
Speaker 2: Right? So like, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if all the what they've done
in literally their whole history WPT in terms of putting
the players first, you know, are they going to are
the players then going to come back being like you've
been so good to us, you know what, we you
don't need a guarantee because we're still going to show
up and are what they think are thirty eight hundred
players going to show up for thirty hundred entries?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: You know? Is that gonna happen? And I thought I
heard a number that it was right around two thousand,
maybe twenty one hundred uniques played. I thought that was
the number. I forget maybe it was higher. I can't remember,
but that's it about right, that's a good amount of uniques.
Is that number of uniques gonna come back? Or is it,
you know, tied to a guarantee because you know, I
mentioned those podcasts that that Pliska was on. He was
on Only Friends with Burkey and them, and Burkeie said,
you know, basically we're poker players. We go where the
ev is so kind of in my sort of thinking
like if I don't think this event is valuable, am
I gonna bother to try and kind of extend myself,
extend my bank roll? Or can I just fire somewhere else?
Speaker 2: Right? If we could get those numbers, those unique the
unique entrants that percentage. I would say this year, obviously
that both is gonna go down, but I would say
that the re entry rate drops more than the unique right,
because once you fired that Wambulla, it's not like, you know,
you don't see this overlay, you don't see this forty
million dollars guarantee. So the incentive to rebuy Reana is
not as not as big as last ya. So obviously
there will be a drop off in both, but us
it's a guarantee. I think that there's a steepid drop
off in re entries than there is the actual uniques.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess, just quickly on Donnie as a
player speaking, I now view this event very similar to
how I always view WPT five diamond. I would never
play that just because it just always seemed like an
unattainable goal to compete in that field when you have
these players who are the best of the best with
multiple bullets and there's no like guarantee supporting or or
you know, driving I guess more recreational or weaker players
into the field, possibly creating the ev and the fact
of a big overlay, like you know, So there's that aspect, right, now,
WPT five Diamond always drew very well. You know, it
got banger numbers, right, you know, seven eight hundred, nine
hundred and well over one thousand players in the field,
huge prizes, but you know, you're battling with the Alex
Faxon's of the world, who are firing multiple bullets in
a very good structured event, like without that guarantee that
is driving the other elements that you need to create
value or are you gonna chase So like that's that's how
I kind of look at it now. I don't think
it's as unplayable, I guess as I would view WPT
five Diamond, you know, but it's more closer to that
than it is now to like the WSP main event, right.
So that's just how I kind of think about it.
So and I'm curious to see if if other players
feel that way, or if people make the trip out,
or you know, whatever it may be. I'm curious. I
also think that just kind of wrapping up this talk
about the guarantee and then we're going to hit on
some of the schedule stuff. I think you just set
the bar when you go to forty, which is again
our argument we said you do this, it's hard to
go back. Like, and if you go back, I mean,
this is like the worst case going back, or maybe
this is better than twenty I have none.
Speaker 2: I think it's better. I think going to zero is
bet then going to like fifteen or twenty five.
Speaker 1: To be honest, Yeah, But I'm always of the opinion that, like,
if you change something that is viewed negative, you just
admit it and you talk about it and you be
open about it, which which they did when they missed
the guarantee. They came out there minutes after it happened.
Plisko was in front of a microphone in front of
cameras being like, hey, we missed, We're paying for it.
We're gonna take it on the chin. You got questions
fire on my way, right, So why couldn't you do
that same sort of thing and just be like, listen,
we swung for the fences last year. We have to
scale back. We obviously recognize the landscape in this specific
time period going up against our biggest competitor. So you know,
we're gonna do twenty five or we're gonna do thirty,
and we would love to have you still. Plus there's
this five million dollar free roll. Plus we're doing the
Prime again. That got ten thousand entries last you know
what I mean. So it's like, I think that could
have been the Cell if you were worried about it.
So that's just where I'm at with things there. Let's
get into the schedule, because they also dropped the entire schedule.
It is available over on WPT dot com. Also, did
you know that I think all the main tour events
are now called championship events like WPT Australia Championship, WPTX Championship,
everything is championship. I thought it was the main tour
and then that just wasn't named. Now it's championship anyway,
So the schedule dropped. I have some highlights. So first
thing that sticks out to me. The big opener last
year was a six hundred dollars buy in one million
dollar guarantee. This year it is an eight hundred dollars
buy in and it remains a one million dollar guarantee.
My thoughts are that it's interesting to see the buy
in increase but not the guarantee. I think they certainly
could have gone to two million or two and a
half million, And I know our buddy Matt Savage will
fight me on this, but yeah, I mean couple things.
First year that they did this, it was six hundred
five hundred k guarantee, right, they got two nine hundred
and ninety nine entries for a one point five five
to nine million dollar prize school, so more than three
x the guarantee. Last year they go six hundred one million,
they get four thy nine hundred and fifty. Michael Rosito
wins the thing prize school was two point five million,
so two point five x on the guarantee. So I
think it's very much within the realm of possibility that
they could have kept it six hundred and gone to
two or two and a half million, maybe even pushed
it to three. Like that's part of the general schedule
here is like if you remove the forty million, maybe
apply some larger guarantees to the other stuff, or some
guarantee increases to the other stuff, which you and I
talked about, where like if you're gonna go head to
head with the WSP Paradise in December, one of the
things you could do is cater to the like sub
five thousand dollars buying player, like one thousand dollars player,
five hundred dollar player, et cetera. Eight hundred dollar buying
also feels too close to WPT Prime, Like that's weird
to me. I mean, don't they have this WPT five
hundred brand. Why isn't it just the WPT five hundred opener? Yeah,
and it's five hundred dollars buying and it has a
two million dollar guarantee. And the reason why I bring
up two million as a number is that Seminal Hard
Rock or Seminal Rock and Roll Poker Open, which is
coming up very soon, is right before the WPT World
Championship opens with a four hundred dollars buying two million
dollar guarantee. Shouldn't the WPT World Championship Series aim to
do everything bigger and better? I mean, it's your World Championship,
it is your season ending like extravaganza. I mean, shouldn't
everything be bigger and better as part of this series,
including this opener?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So obviously Seminole draws extremely well, but the win is incredible.
They are the Seminal of Vegas. It is what they are.
Speaker 2: So obviously we're we're we're friends with the people at
the win. Ryan and Ray who hopefully will be on
this podcast coming up hopefully. I have spoken to them.
We have a little group chat. It's called Win Besties.
Speaker 1: That's throwing shots at the poker Tour. By the way,
I heard that, Ryan, Okay, we'll say that for the
first I heard. I heard.
Speaker 2: So after speaking with them, I feel that they are
very much in control of the side events. And I
basically ask exactly what you said, six hundred, now eight hundred,
same prize for what are you what are you doing?
It's like, we don't have the space, We're not in
the ballroom yet, so there reasons makes sense. They kind
accommodate the big fields. We saw it. We you were
lined up for a while as an alternate. We understand
that six hundred. It's it's great, it's a great entry
point for an opening event. So I get get it
that they've made it eight hundred dollars. Ray thinks it's
still going to be still going to be huge, even.
Speaker 1: Though it's going to be huge. That's but that's why
I say that you could have an increased guarantee because
like you just I know that it's going to be big,
like I have, you just have a million. The smallest
doubt that it's going to have a two point five
million dollar prize pool, if not three million, Right, But
I'm just saying it looks like you're not trying as
far because you're you're you're running it back but increasing
the buy in. So what you're telling people on the
surface is that we only are expecting this many entries,
like you know, so that that's just you know, that's
what I'm Yeah, I mean my biggest I also think
that eight hundred is again closer to prime. That's like
a I know it's small, but like the difference between
a five h play and an eight hundred player, there's
still like a little bit of a game, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm that guy that's saying, like you could.
Speaker 1: Just slap out WPT five hundred, there's your brand boom.
WPT has certainly made it made a case to try
and bring back this alpha eight. So why can't they
do with WPT five hundred on their schedule happening this
year they hit some WT five hundred event playground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think gets I think it's what they've said,
it's a space issue. The problem with the eight hundred
is last year we did the six hundred. We both
played eye cash, you did not. I was okay with
two bullets in that twelve hundred dollars, and I was
on the fence about playing Prime because I'm in it,
but I cash. I then played Prime. Now this if
I'm eating for two bullets, I mean now was sixteen
hundred dollars. Prime is eleven hundred. Do I want to
just maybe spend twenty two hundred dollars on Prime instead?
The fact that it's literally back to back also hurts
for some of those players unsure all that work they're
going to have to, you know, the rec player out
there like me, if they have a job, it's going
to have to choose between one or the other. So
I mean, why wouldn't you choose the five million dollars
guarantee and spend three hundred dollars more per buying that?
To me, it's probably it is probably going to be
a slightly better structure, you know, more starting chips, longer levels.
Obviously we don't know the actual blind increases from what
I'm looking at, so I think you will lose some
of those borderline players, one such as myself that I
only want to spend a couple thousand dollars at the win.
You know, they want to play say the seventy five
Scramble satellite, whatever it is they want to play, be
played two bullets in the prime, and they're going to
just skip the eight hundred. So I think it's it
does hurt. Six hundred or five hundred would have been better.
But yeah, I think they're doing this for a reason.
I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I liked what they did with
the six hundred one million last year, right, you know
that's because it very much tracked with like what everything
they do down at Seminole, which I think is arguably
the best big Field Big Series tournament venue in the US.
I mean, is that to be I mean wins up
there now, but I'm saying at the time, like win
was a little bit more of the up and comer
challenger to that. I also think that five hundred again
is just cleaner. It has that brand of WPT five.
So anyway, early they have a sixteen hundred dollars mystery bounty.
Last year it had a two million dollar guarantee. It
was multi flight, it had three flights. This year it's
a two day even with a five hundred kre guarantee,
so some scaling back there right now. This is probably
the I would say that this might this might be
a bigger issue for me personally than not having a
guarantee on the World Championship is the fact that they
did not increase the Prime Championship guarantee.
Speaker 2: What do they get lost year.
Speaker 1: It got ten thousand, five hundred and twelve entries for
a ten ten million, one hundred ninety six thousand dollars
in the Price Bowl. They had a five million dollar guarantee.
So this year they're running it back same five million.
So in twenty twenty two they had eleven hundred dollars
buying for this two million dollar guarantee. Smashed it. They
got five four hundred and thirty right just to shy
have a five point three million dollar Price Bowl. Then
they up it to five million dollars. They get ten thousand,
five hundred entries in the damn thing. Calvin Anderson wins.
It's one hundred ninety six thousand dollars in the Prize Bowl.
I think that So part of part of me saying
that like not or this is like bigger industry to
me is that I feel like this can take away
from the fact that you're not having a guarantee on
the WPT World Championship ten K and then also like
this goes into the the idea of just catering to
like that smaller buy in player. So you know, I
think you really could have pushed the envelope if you
really wanted toun down an eleven hundred and fifty million
dollar guarantee and just gone for it. I mean, again,
I don't know the space issues, you know, but they
did say last year that you know, once they actually
get into the series, get into the ballroom, they're going
to have more ballroom space.
Speaker 2: So yeah, seven point five million, that's what you need.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just would have done ten. And so
the hell with it, let's go.
Speaker 2: I mean's let's speak of somebody. Seven point five.
Speaker 1: That's it's still considered. They got that last year.
Speaker 2: They can but like you don't want to they could.
Speaker 1: Get that again. Come on, man, they could do that
back end of the schedule. Last year they had a
three thousand dollars buying three million dollar guarantee and six
hundred dollars buying two million dollar guarantee, both just straight
Nolman HoldEm tournaments this year the three K three million
dollar returns, but the sixteen hundred dollars buying one looks
like it's been changed to be a sixteen hundred dollars
mystery bounty event, and instead of having that two million
dollar prize school, it's gonna have a million dollar guaranteed
priz schools. Those are kind of the the big picture
things that I saw. There are only four events on
this year's schedule by my count, that are above three
thousand dollars, and last year I think they had eight,
but they of course had the million dollar buy in
one drop they had, you know, they had a fifty
k stuff like that. So this year those events that
are above three thousand dollars. Of course, the ten thousand,
four hundred dollars World Championship, you do have a twenty
five K Alpha eight. You have a ten thousand, five
hundred dollars high Roller, and then you have the ten
thousand dollars Seniors high Roller also listed on the schedule
again WPT dot com.
Speaker 2: Well, you say, over thraight, Y're not including the three
K right?
Speaker 1: No? No? Yeah, okay, yeah, over like that's what over three
K means not including that's what I would have said
three thousand or higher. Over first I looked at it,
I was like, you know, do they have any five
k's on the sk which I didn't see any.
Speaker 2: Yah, So that it gives a severe lack of high.
Speaker 1: Rollism this well, but I think that's good. I think
that's something that they did correctly with this. Is that
I would have because you know what WSOP is doing
at Paradise right.
Speaker 2: Paradise is out of it by the endpoint. That's the thing.
That's why I'm saying you could put some on the
back end. You could put a five K six max.
You could put a five.
Speaker 1: Maybe on the back end.
Speaker 2: Yes, not at the front.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, is it too close because that
stuff at Paradise ends the nineteenth? Is that too close
to Christmas? I mean, that's that's like asking a lot.
I feel like me like, if you're it's one thing,
I know that the win series what they goes to
the twenty third right or twenty second, I don't even remember,
but like you're already there, right, But then like if
you're in the Bahamas, are you then like routing yourself
to Vegas and then and going wherever you're going for
the holidays. I don't know, it feels iffy to do that,
so I like, you know, catering to like again we
said it, like do everything, like you know, have a
bunch of like one ks to three ks, you know,
or five hundred to three k's and then just have
that ten thousand dollars World Championship stand out. So I
am a little bit surprised that they have the Alpha
eight even on the schedule, But it just seems like
they don't want to ever, you know, put this horse
out to pasture, Like they just want to keep the
Alpha a brand around no matter what, for whatever reason.
As a marketing person, I will always tell you that
trying to grow multiple brands is extremely difficult. So just
have them be wpts, Like everything should just be the
branded WPT end of story. You'll also see on the
schedules that they have a ton of satellites listed. They
have twenty five seat guarantees. They believe they're bringing back
the seventy five set guarantee. I saw that on there
last year they had based on the guaranteed seats that
I counted up two hundred and eighty seats were given
away this year to forty. I think that's very good,
you know, to have that number. So you know, we
talked about it. You're gonna have that to forty at least,
if not more. I think I don't even remember what
the seventy five set guarantee got last year, but I.
Speaker 2: Think it crush it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but again, you know, that's trying to get
into the forty million dollar guarantee. So we'll see if
that's a little bit more ambitious this year. But you know,
like that seventy five set guarantee is something that like
I would probably try and play, maybe you try and
play again, you know, versus just diving straight into the
ten K. I think it's gonna be interesting to see
how it all plays out in December. I think we've
said that many times. WSP has really started, like I guess,
ramping up announcements of who's gonna be there. So so
they're just kind of making that marketing push. I know
they had the first online flight for the twenty five
K fifty million dog Guarantee that Daniel Legrownie was streaming
and fired three bulletin, which I feel like he could
be in that thing for seven hundred and fifty thousand
dollars by the end of it. I mean, who knows.
So so we'll see how that goes. Obviously we're gonna
we're gonna monitor everything there. But but yeah, that's that's
how things are shaken out. One last question before we
move on to talking about WPT Australia and what happened
down there. Do you think that there's a chance that
they announce a guarantee for the World Championship that they
just they like, you know, behind closed doors, are like, listen,
we we need it. Yeah, let's go, even if it's
fifteen twenty. I think there's a chance. Yeah, the longer
we wait, the you know, might be a little too light.
People planning Bahamas trips, so planning ept progue instead. So
if they do have some thoughts on that, they better
get that out a sent yeah and listen again. Maybe
maybe they don't need a guarantee and maybe this thing
just still does freaking numbers. I mean, who knows what
the poker role? Who really knows? All right, So moving
on to WPT Australia, James ops, your boy, my boy
wins WPT Australia three hundred and ninety six entries, Ops
top them all to win five hundred and eighty five
thousand Australian dollars. How much is that in US? Without looking?
Without looking, you're supposed to know that two hundred and
fifty dollars to How much do you really think it is?
Speaker 2: Let me look at it. Five eighty five is probably
three seventy.
Speaker 1: Three ninety eight, three hundred ninety eight thousand US dollars.
The only currency in the world that matters that in
sweeps coins, right, that's the only the only two currencies,
only two currencies that matter. Yeah. So James opst wins
the WPT Australia Championship. He beat Travis Enders beat Do
you know that name?
Speaker 2: I know of him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean that's a name that's unfamiliar to me.
Daniel Murphy Olegg Aviachenko got fourth. Matthew Wakeman I know
that that. I've covered him before. Eighth place is interesting.
I guess this guy's just a stud. Now, Malcolm Trainor
the best I mean comes with Actually he won the
million million dollar bounty. He didn't get massive bounties, but
he won the million dollar first place for.
Speaker 2: All the small ones at the found Table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he finishes in eighth place here for
seventy one thousand Aussie forty eight thousand us D. Pretty
good turnout. I would think.
Speaker 2: Poka's back in Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's like part of my thing with this.
The winner's photo of James Ops has Van Marcus in it.
Speaker 2: And Billy the Croc got the legends.
Speaker 1: I fucking miss Australia, man, I mean this took place.
Where was this event Sydney? Wasn't it saus City or no?
No Queen's I mean you tell me.
Speaker 2: I wasn't making that much attention to idly watched the
final table star Gold Coast, Yeah, Gold Coast. That's why
we went for the British for the Australian program.
Speaker 1: But I didn't go there.
Speaker 2: That was before it really really nice property.
Speaker 1: I mean all the like people sharing on social media
that I saw of this, it looks amazing. I think
we know a lot of people that like went there.
They were you know, skipped skipping pokem at w. I mean, honestly,
it's hard to skip out on a trip to Australia,
So I get it. Yeah, maybe we see Poker coming
back more and more and more in Australia. I think
it's obviously a very good thing the poker tour is
down there. Would love to possibly in the future. I
have no idea when see the return of Ozzie Millions,
but I don't know if that's ever going to happen,
you know, so who knows. But good on James Opst.
You know he took that a couple of years away
to try and become a professional tennis player or whatever
the heck.
Speaker 2: He was doing.
Speaker 1: But he's back and you know he's clearly still one
of the best.
Speaker 2: You winny second race of this year too, right, I.
Speaker 1: Can't even remember, right, I can't. It's funny the w
city comes. It always comes like sooner than you expect,
and then it always goes faster than you expect. And
then it's always like way in the rear view, much
faster than you expect.
Speaker 2: Like it it seems like it was six months ago.
It feels like it was.
Speaker 1: Sixty years ago. I mean, it's just it's just how
it is. So that was WPT Australia. James Off. Shout
out to him, Go to Andy McLeod. Hopefully you get
that reference.
Speaker 2: Do you know who Andy McLeod played for the real
Andy McLeod. No, that Lake Cruise.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so there's that's and then we shift
things over to the WSP online, the international version taking
place on GGI Poker. Morris Dietrich, sure, hopefully I probably
pushed that in some way shape or form, wins the
WSP online main event. So this thing had seventeen in
science six and forty six entries, Ditrich one four million,
twenty one thousand dollars. I mean, what in the f
and world there were two So kind of similar to
the WSP main event from Las Vegas, where you had
Jonathan Tomaia winning, but all the talk afterwards was like
laptop gate. Here you had Ditrich winning, but all the
talk out of it. These two insane bad beats that
happened at the final table. The first one was during
four handed play, when you have Genny Akimov cracked Isaac
Barron's kings with six or four off. Achamov had the
big Chipley at the time, just ripped in with six
to four off. Baron actually flopped top set with his kings,
but Okamov was able to run down a straight that
busted out Baron in fourth place.
Speaker 2: I think he was a turned off fluster.
Speaker 1: He did turn, he did turn a flush draw, I mean,
but still it's it's pretty sick. So Baron goes out
in fourth place for one point eight million dollars, and
then Achamov again, this time three handed play. He beats
Ruy Ferrara's ace king was six four. Ferrera flops top
two pair but runner runner flush for Okamov again with
the six four following six four. So six four if
you're if you're playing in the GG poker streets, six
floor is just you know, it breaks everything and you
can you can just win every hand with it.
Speaker 2: That's you know. I remember back in the day he
used to say, like I think it was pucking nines
was like the stars nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, the GG nuts. And then so Ruy
Ferrera goes out in third place for just a under
two point four million dollars, and then Okamov his heads
up with Ditrich. Okamoa has the chip ley, but Dietrich
ends up coming out on top. Achamov takes three point
one million dollars for his finish. Also at the final table,
Benjamin Rolli in eighth place. Ben CB as he's often
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WSP online main event that took place on gg Poker
was part of a series that had thirty three gold
bracelet events, so we are up to who knows how
many racelet events have been given out this year. Just
some highlights from the series. Not going to go through
every single winner, but even number two was a three
hundred dollars Gladiators. It had eleven thousand, six hundred and
thirty entries. Rit Varz s Collins won it for four
hundred and nine thousand dollars. Bryn Kenny got his second
gold brace, so that when he won a ven number
three the twenty one hundred dollars bounty. There was a
lot of bounties on here, and if you look at
WSP dot com for several of the events, first and
second place are the same because they don't include the
obviously the bounty money. So I just think that's kind
of interesting for historical purposes. Ven number seven was a
two hundred and fifty dollars buying mystery millions that had
fifty two thousand, four hundred and fifty two entries. God
Damn Vlad Darier won it for six hundred and twenty
three thousand dollars. There was a million dollar top bounty
in this thing. I don't know who won it, but
it happened Dennis Wallaz Number seventeen, the fifteen hundred dollars
Millionaire Maker for one million, two hundred and eighty seven
thousand dollars. This had four thousand, nine hundred and thirty
four entries. There was a four hundred dollars colossus on
the schedule. It drew thirteen thousand, one hundred and forty
seven entries. Igor Zemstaff won it for six hundred and
thirty thousand dollars. Garofolo Francesco won the twenty five k
GG Millions Super high Roller for one point one million.
It had two hundred and thirty entries. Bryn Kenny, You're sorry.
Chris Brewer finished in a second place where eight round
and sixty five K Brin Kenny got third for six
hundred and sixty seven K. Patrick Leonard fourth, Dimitar Dante fifth,
Adrian Matteo sixth, Roman Hrabec seventh, and Ole Chemion took
eighth place. Simon Eric Matson won event number thirty the
twenty one hundred dollars six Max Bounty had twelve hundred
and thirty entries, his second gold bracelet. He won the
gg Poker WSOP Online main event in twenty twenty two
for Jeshi two point eight million dollars and then a
bit of redemption for Ruy Ferrara. After that that crazy
bust out in the main event in third place again
when his ace king was beaten by Achamov's six '
four Despite for a flopping top two pair, Frera goes
on to win the five K Polo, which was event
number thirty one for two hundred and forty five K
Ilis Parsonen got second four one hundred and eighty two
thousand dollars, continuing to prove just how good he is
at PLO is the fin He also got fourth in
the ten K PLO for one hundred and twenty nine
thousand dollars, and then Sergio Ado topped off the series
event number thirty three, the ten thousand three dollars GGI
Millions high Roller one four hundred and thirty three entries.
Aido won one point nine three five million dollars his
second bracelet. He won the fifty K during the summer
in Las Vegas. So that is WSP online. So I
have a little bit of a gripe here, a little
bit of a complaint, okay, And I don't really know
event No, I don't really know who to direct it towards.
I guess I would direct it towards some media companies.
I guess I would direct it towards the operators. It
feels next to impossible to find out the results of
all this sort of stuff. W coop just wrapped up
like it's just so hard, it's so like it's complicated.
I was I had a really good friend of mine
was deep in this ws AP Online Main Event. I
think he took eleventh place. Couldn't sweat it? Like I can't.
I can down. Are you trying to start live reporting anything?
Like I can I can't down. I can download the
client here, but when I when I go in, I
need to create an account to like actually see the
players and stuff and like open a table, and I
can't create an account, So like why like why isn't
there Like this is the w AP Main Event online,
there's more than four million dollars out topic. Why aren't
we just like bringing out Jeff Gross doing multiple days
of live streaming.
Speaker 2: I mean there was some live streaming.
Speaker 1: Yeah for the final table. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like you want most stuff, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: And like w coop, it's just like it's impossible to
like try and find this stuff. And I know w
CUP obviously had some some streams that they were doing,
but like still, like the live reporting that was done
on Poker News wasn't that good. Like there's just not
a lot of articles that are out there after the fact,
like announcing like who won. Like it's just not I
think I miss you know what I miss? I miss
pocket fives dot Com that's what I missed who focused
on the online stuff and was on top of it
at all times to spring it back. I mean it
has changed to poker steak dot com, but like it's
just it's hard, like even now, like you go on
you go on WSP dot com, like they're running they're
running bracelet events right now here in the US, Like
I have no idea who won the events. There have
been three or four of them so far, Like I
want to know, I want to know what's happening multiple positives.
They just had a circuit series on WSP dot com.
I mean, I don't even know when that happened last month,
like a long time ago. They only have results for
the first seven events, like I mean results.
Speaker 2: Well, the two parts of this. Firstly, you were talking
about the updates, the recap articles. You know, maybe the
media outlets out there, poker News, cord players, cetera. Don't
see value in them. The second part is.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have my my my. My debate to that
is poker Stars has a Poker Stars blog, Like there's
there's streaming, there's this like.
Speaker 2: This Pocusar is a little different, but the.
Speaker 1: Streaming is where I think it should go because that
feels very easy lift when it's an online thing, like
you're just you have an overlay, you have one commentator,
like you know, like.
Speaker 2: I think out there, let's go. The easiest thing to do. Sure,
just like John Smith wins event three of them.
Speaker 1: Is putting it on social media, like let's like a tweet.
Speaker 2: The other problem is, you know, we're being told from
people that care about the results or need the results,
such as handing the mob et cetera. It's hard to
get some of these results from gig so they and
don't get them at all, and they.
Speaker 1: Gg don't you want like don't you want it?
Speaker 2: Someone that is the operator, whether it's gg slash WSP
dot com being more proactive about a sending the results,
b leaving the results in the client on WSP dot com.
And third, do they want promotion of this? Do they want?
Like they want promotion of the WSP live here in
Vegas and Bahamas and Europe. But why they why they
wouldn't care as much about on them?
Speaker 1: Let me let me say something that I probably should
have said at the start in this little rant here,
is that maybe I'm just a complete big oaf and
I'm missing it, But I feel like I'm as tapped
into the industry as everyone and like in like the
last couple of days of like w coop and stuff,
like I would go on to Poker News, I would
go on to poker steak dot com because I know
they write articles. I would like try and search on
social media. I would try and go to the Poker
Stars blog but didn't find anything. And sometimes I can't
even go to the Poker Star's website because it tells
me it's not in my area. And I'm like, it's
just a website, Like what are we doing here? And
like it just like why why aren't I Like I
can say the WPT is not doing the right thing,
not having a guarantee. I have non stop seeing this
club WPT goal free role. It is in my face.
I have to like shut my computer to not see it. Yeah,
Like that is what I would expect from this sort
of stuff, right, Like it's it's the super Bowl, it's
the World Series in baseball, it's whatever it is, and
it's in your face, in your face, in your face.
Why isn't this in my face? Right? Like I want
to follow this stuff and I want to know about it.
And I want to see who won and who had
big results and all this sort of stuff, but I
can never I can never find it. And it's just,
you know, I feel like pocketfives dot com was like
the one place that they obviously prioritized all the online stuff,
like you know, sometimes they would, you know, in the
old days, they would go out to the World Series
of Poker and only cover the online guys and all
their leaderboards and all this sort of stuff. And I
don't know, I missed that. But I also wish that
there was just more coverage in general about the online stuff,
you know, Like I just I feel like it's it's lacking,
and it's it's hard because I want, I want to
follow this stuff. I do, like I want to know
what happened, who won, like you know. So yeah, anyway,
that's my little, my little complaint there.
Speaker 2: Pocket sixes dot com is available Pocket.
Speaker 1: Sixes dot com. Pocket six I mean, I do think
that it is an opening in the space, you know, if.
Speaker 2: If you need to be based in Europe.
Speaker 1: No you don't, I've thought about this. If you I'm
not going to give out to all my secrets on
this podcast, but I have I have the whole plan
mapped out in my head, and you do not need to.
Speaker 2: We need to highest someone base in Europe.
Speaker 1: Shut up with the plan, Okay, do not be giving
this out.
Speaker 2: To people who's gonna take it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a lot of good ideas, Okay,
I just need to like execute them, you know what,
shameless plug. I got a bunch of events listed on
poker steak dot com. Go find them by action. Why not, right,
I'm gonna be at an apt Las Vegas. I don't
know if you are.
Speaker 2: I'm playing.
Speaker 1: I think you should be. There's a bunch of mixed
game stuff on.
Speaker 2: The play mixed games. I'll resigned. I'm not good enough.
I'll play cash game. That's it. I'm gonna play the
cash game. Robby has a cash game festival, going to
play some.
Speaker 1: He is bringing his quote unquote mixed game festival to
Resorts World, and then I think the the mixed game
events on a present at the schedule are presented by
card Lifestyle. So good for Robbie there.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna play the cash games, donate a few bucks,
try and win a few bucks. We'll say I'm probably
going to fire the nap t Cup, and.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, probably yet on the
Poker Masters streams REMCO, every time we promoted an APT
Las Vegas, he said he was going to come play
the Mystery Bout zero. Do you really think he's gonna
I hope he does.
Speaker 2: When was the last time he played a poker.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he needs to come play. And
the Mystery Valain is perfect because like you can just
get lucky in whatever. He's not coming, but that's that
would be a good one to play too, to kick
things off. That one an APT Cup, I think playing
on playing the they have a run Good Open in
partnership with Run Good.
Speaker 2: How much is that eleven too much?
Speaker 1: I think it's a two day event. Think it has
two flights on the first day, Okay, first one is
regular second later once when they do that, Yeah, and
then obviously day two I'm gonna play the main event,
which I think is gonna be I think it's gonna
be really big.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, good price point fifty.
Speaker 1: Three price point three million dollar guarantee. So there's that,
and then that NPT Cup five hundred fifty dollars buy
and I think it's three hundred k guaranteed in that one,
so I'll be firing in that one. And then all
three of those events of mine are on poker stake
dot com. You can find them as well as I'm
playing on bracelet events. But you got those listed, Yeah,
I do actually have those listed. I'm only going to
play I think, on Sundays. But it's really interesting because
they have all these bracelet events, but they're they're not
every day, okay, so like they take some days off,
like they took them Monday off, which is kind of acceptable,
but you know, because Monday is just not a big
day and all in poker, and then they have one
on Tuesday. I don't think they had one on Wednesday whatever.
But then they also have these online championships which they
announced on social media. Yet you can't like find the
schedule anywhere other than the client. So I think that
that's weird. Even Daniel mcgrondniy like commented.
Speaker 2: On all that.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, guys, like you might can you
put the schedule like somewhere on you know, wisip dot com.
I mean maybe it's on there now, let me check.
Speaker 2: Woy you have the ninth Oh no, you have the.
Speaker 1: Don't say my name.
Speaker 2: Don't say your name. I'm saying you're the eighth featured
player on Focusing dot com. I've on the list. I'm
just telling anything.
Speaker 1: I post a lot of stuff on there. I think
it's a great platform for that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, they finally this photo.
Speaker 1: It's a great foot It's.
Speaker 2: Terrible they did.
Speaker 1: They did. Uh, they did post the online championships finally
on a dot com.
Speaker 2: But it shouldn't be up to as to ask for it.
Should just that should be the first thing you think about.
Speaker 1: And even even the online bracelets. I mean they they
announced them like nine days beforehand, Like I mean I
know that, Like they're obviously geared towards the states where
you can play on dot com. But maybe for a
big series like that, you get some people that say, hey,
you know, I'll come from Colorado and come come getting
Airbnb and just play online. Like maybe maybe you do
something like that. Right. I took third in one of
the online championship events. Just want to point that out.
Jeff Platt one one wow. He won the I believe
was the five hundred dollars mystery bounty that they had
for fourteen k or something like that. So shout out,
Jeff flat what do.
Speaker 2: You have a trophy event.
Speaker 1: So you you compete for like some sort of championship belt.
I'm assuming that like it has a leader board. I
mean there's a crap ton of events. I mean it's
like every day, there's like every day, I think there's
a warm up event like in the like morning or
early afternoon, which is like a very small buy in,
and then I actually like what they've done here is
that they do every day they have a bronze, silver,
and gold level, so like bronze is obviously the lowest
buying Like yeah, so I think that that's that's pretty cool.
So like you know, like like on the day that
when Jeff won the Mystery Bounty, you know, they had
a thirty three, a one hundred, and a five hundred,
which I think that that's a good way to do stuff.
So so yeah, so they have that. I mean, it's
it's actually funny. So they announced the twenty twenty four
Doubasip online, world's largest online poker festival. Okay, that takes
place September twenty ninth through November twelfth. It is thirty
three bracelet events. I mean, it's a Ton. I mean
this is also if you pair this with if you're
coming out for NPG Las Vegas, there's a lot of
bracelet events happening, so you can play online too, so
it's kind of a good time to be in Las
Vegas for that. But then also they have these online
championships that are running from September twenty ninth through October
twenty seventh. Then they have aubas AP Online Super Circuit
that is running October fifth through twenty second, so all
three these same things are happening at the same time.
So so yeah, it's a lot of stuff happening. A
lot of stuff happening. The upgrade to the WSP platform
is god, it's such a blessing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's probably one or two things that might
need to be improved a little bit, but overall, I mean, god,
it's thank god they did it. Thank God they did it.
It's it's awesome. And the player pools have been good
obviously with the inclusion of Michigan, so it's good to see.
And then I saw I was reading something on I
think Poker Fuse or maybe Poker Industry Pro, I can't remember.
They said that they anticipate. Oh I saw. I went
to the site and I saw a banner for betmjam
Nevada like they had they had doubsip dot com Nevada Review,
but then right next to it they had betemgam Nevada Review.
And I was like, that's weird. Benem Jam's not in Nevada.
And I clicked it and it was like, we anticipated
to launch this year.
Speaker 2: So I was like twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it said this year if not said
twenty twenty five. But I mean, I just I thought
that that was interesting, right, I mean, it's October, so
that would mean yeah, here betmgam Poker Nevada review. Let
me click on it. I'm on poker. We predict that
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at some point this year. Is the first sentence.
Speaker 2: That's the way being pokefuser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the poker Fuse people are extremely tapped in
and they generally know it. Goes on to say the
operator holds the necessary license from the Nevada Gaming Control Board,
and everything looks in line for it to become the
first online poker operator to join w SOP dot com
in the state. Well, isn't that incorrect? Because Ultimate Poker
was in the state, and I think South Point didn't.
They have some weird thing that lasted like a week
or a month or something. I'm pretty sure they did
south Point and there was like three people that played.
By the way, you brought up the four and allar
tournament at South Point, which I think is now gone.
I think what I'm pretty sure that it lasted one
time because I didn't play a bit, I know, but
I'm saying they had that. I think the four and
doll price point is too high. I think it needs
to be three hundred. Do they have a two in
dollar tournament?
Speaker 2: Yeah? If the Friday Saturday is not two hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I think I think the Sunday one should be.
If they have a big one on Sunday, should be
three hundred. That would be my thing. But anyway, we're
just talking about a bunch of nonsense now and it's
been way too long. That's gonna do it for this
episode unless you have anything else, No, sir, Big month
of Poker on Poker Go in October. We have the
PLO series which is coming up, and then we have
Super high Rollable PLO of course, High six Poker and
now Gamble in the Future are running. We have next
month the Texas PLO Roundup, which I know Tim is
freaking pumped for. I didn't know the guy cared.
Speaker 2: About PLO, Like everyone loves it.
Speaker 1: You are like the I know you're the PGT Commissioner,
but you're also like the PLO commissioner, just with how
much like you've like this the PGT PLO series, like
doing the series down in Texas, Like you know all
these guys coming this month, they'll fucking love you, like
what you're doing for like that specific game, you know
what I mean. Like you are like the de facto
ploer and a lot.
Speaker 2: Ever play it.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Do you think the the PLO
series is gonna be big or like some pullback or.
Speaker 2: No, I think it'll be good. It's it's hard to
all the guys all the ill I have to assume
they're all coming. But until I see people walk in,
that first event is always when I know we're going
to be big. But we'll see. There's no distractions this year,
there's no splits of the schedule. The the sup By
roller Ball falls after and I think that's good. All
the big stuff around town is not happening, so I'm
bullish on it as always. It's plo. It's gonna get
people to come from all around the country and we'll
be good.
Speaker 1: Sweet all right, Well that's gonna be for us. My
name is Donny Peters, his name is Tim Duckworth. Hit
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And again, if you're at any BT Las Vegas in
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Speaker 2: So you