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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a brand new episode of

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The Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His

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name across the table from me is Tim Duckworth. Looking amazing.

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Let me tell you, guys, this guy is keeping TikTok

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e commerce in business. He's got a pink I don't

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even know what is on this sweatsheet ready yet, No,

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I just know. I mean, it's definitely yeah, it's definitely

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a Halloween slash scary movie themed, which is fitting because

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it is October third, we are in the month of Halloween.

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So here we go. I guess a big episode today,

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not many topics, but I'm assuming we're gonna have some

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strong opinions, maybe some debate back and forth. Because the

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World Poker Tour finally announced its and I guess I

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should use quotation marks here guarantee, so we'll talk about that.

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We have the conclusion to WPT Australia, so sticking with

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the World Poke Tour brand, we'll hit on WPT Australia.

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That took place, and then some some big events happened

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online that we want to hit on. W s AP

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bracelets were handed out and we have a massive four

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million dollar winner that was part of it. It's also

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w s AP Bracelet season here in the US, so

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the Bracelet's never stop. It's WSP Europe. It's this WP

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that so WPT and WSP are the big topics on

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this episode. This episode of the Poker Gol Podcast is

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Tim and I are planning on being there at NAPT

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Las Vegas, and we hope to see you guys there.

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If you are there and you see us and you're

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a listener of this podcast, come talk to us. We

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love to meet the listeners. It's a lot of fun

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to hear you know who's out there. All Right, here

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we go WPT's announcement. It's here, Free roll baby, five

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million dollars free roll. That's the big announcement.

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Speaker 2: Yes, love it.

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Speaker 1: So I'll quickly set the table and then we'll just

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we'll just dive into it. So we had been waiting, waiting, waiting,

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as we talked about it many times on this podcast.

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You know, what is the WPT gonna do for its

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World Championship guarantee? Are they going to run it back

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with forty million? Are they going to decrease it? Is

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there any chance that they go higher? What did you say?

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You said fifty said, yeah, you're nuts.

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Speaker 2: Not nuts. You asked me what would I do it

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if I was king for today, and I said I

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wouldn't match it, I wouldn't go.

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Speaker 1: So they finally announced what they're doing, and what they

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are doing is a five million dollar free roll that

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is a marketing promotion for their new endeavor Club WPT Gold.

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So it is different than the regular club WPT that

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has been around for quite some time. We'll discuss exactly

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what it is, but that's that. That was the big announcement,

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a five million dollar free roll, what they are calling

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the largest free roll of all time in poker history,

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however you want to classify it. I believe that that's true.

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I don't know of any free role that was bigger

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than that. But it's interesting that they're they're kind of

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coming with that that marketing message because I'll get into

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that a little later.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: That also comes with the announcement, or maybe lack of

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an announcement, that there isn't a guarantee on the ten

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thousand dollars World Championship. So all the eggs are essentially

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in this basket of this Club WPT Gold five million

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dollar free roll. It seems to be the heavy marketing push.

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all the WPT ambassadors, all that sort of stuff is

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free roll, free roll, free roll, five million dollars. We're

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going to be qualifying all these people into it. So yeah,

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so they're doing that on the back end of things,

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no guarantee for the World Championship. So I guess let's

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take it back to when this was announced, what a

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week and a half ago or so, you see this

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news come across you know, what's what's your initial thoughts

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back a few days we are we are recording this

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about I don't know, eight nine days after that news

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initial dropped, so we've had some time to kind of

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think about things. But but going back to it, you know,

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what were your like first thoughts, like were you wowed,

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were you surprised? Were you let down? Like what was

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what was the feeling?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think my feelings would be pretty similar

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to everyone else in the world. I think we'll surprise

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there was no guarantee let down as well.

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Speaker 1: But there is a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: It's on the free roll.

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but they gave you this other little thing present side

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event free roll that was you know, tried to soften

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the blow, I would say, And I think it's not

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a horrible idea. I just wish that was a guarantee

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on the moment, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my my initial thoughts were, Wow, I

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didn't think they would do no guarantee on the World Championship,

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you know. I was of the opinion that they would

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scallop back. I did not think that they would scalop

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back to zero. But it's a pretty big bet.

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Speaker 2: I mean, scaling back to zero better than scaling back

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to say, fifteen million.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion. No, I think you should have just

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gone with fifteen million. I mean I would have gone

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with more than fifteen million, but I think twenty five,

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you know, would have been the number. And I think,

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like with when you do something like that, you know,

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so concerned about spinning some sort of message or you know,

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possibly lying or whatever. Not that not that wt's line.

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the in the correct thing to do is just apologize

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and move on in a way, or just like admit

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defeat and move on, or say you were wrong and

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move on. In this, like in a lot of cases,

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in you know, real life stuff, if you just say

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you're sorry and move on, fine. In a case like this,

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you know, a poker guarantee, which doesn't involve any sort

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of apologizing. Just be like, listen, we shot for the

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moon at forty million, we missed. Maybe we got a

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little bit too ahead of ourselves. We're gonna pull it back,

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but we're still going to give you something really great.

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Here's twenty five or here's thirty, right, which I think

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is extremely achievable given one the turnout that they had

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last year. You know, all the brand power that WPT has,

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all the loyalty that people express towards WPT, and then

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also from everything that I could tell, all the qualifiers

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that they're going to have for this thing. So from

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what I've been told, they're still going to qualify it.

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to the car wash that Adam Pliska has been on,

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if you listen to one, you listen to them all.

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I've listened to three of them. Yeah, and it's very

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same thing over and over again. So if you listen

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to them one, you listen to them all. The number

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is right around one thousand qualifiers. I mean, that's a

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really solid floor. I part of me doesn't understand why

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that number isn't being emphasized more, but I also get

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it because you're not trying to achieve a guarantee this time,

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so you don't need to emphasize it. Right.

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Speaker 2: We're also team promote that stuff because it house built.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I'm saying in this specific situation, when

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you don't have a guarantee that you need to hit,

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even if that guarantee is fifteen million, so you would

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need to achieve you know, approximately fifteen hundred players, you

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would still want to push it, right, But if your

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guarantee is zero and it doesn't matter what the prize

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pool is, then you just go all in on the

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free roll. So about this free roll. If you haven't

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heard already, you've absolutely been living under a rock because

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it's everywhere. If you follow the World Over Tour, which

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any of their ambassadors, any of their you know, WPT

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family members, et cetera, this is all they've been talking

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about for the past you know, week and a half,

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which is what they should be doing now, what they're doing,

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And if you head on over to WPT dot com,

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you'll find an article that's everything you need to know

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about the Club WPT Gold Free Role. So a lot

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of this information that I'm about to kind of go

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over for what this free roll is is included in

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that article. It's going to take place, this free roll

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five million dollars free role. It's actually five million and

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one hundred dollars because they released that actually before we

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hopped on this podcast, they released all the payout structures,

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which is kind of a big puzzle, but we'll get

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to that. December thirteenth through fifteenth at win Las Vegas.

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You know, obviously day one on the thirteenth and then

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the final table on the fifteenth. Start times are currently TBA.

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So Club WPT Gold is the WPT's new sweepstakes poker model.

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If you're familiar with the Global Poker think of it

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like that. You go on to the platform, you know,

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eventually when it launches, which it says that it's going

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to launch an early twenty twenty five. You go on there,

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you would buy some sort of currency, you would play

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in that currency, and then on the back end, you

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could event you know, convert that currency to some sort

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of cash out, right. So that's what this is going

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to be. Now. One thing that I'll mention is that

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from the people that I've talked to there, the regular

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version of CLUBWPT is going to stay, which makes sense

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because those are extremely different player pools. You know. Club

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WPT's regular model is you pay whatever it is, thirty

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dollars a month if I think the Diamond tier is

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one hundred dollars a month or whatever, and then you

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just get access to whatever is available. Right. This one

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is it's not real money gaming by definition because it's

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sweepstakes model, but it's closer to real money gaming, right,

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you know. So that's what Club WPT Gold is. So

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if you are familiar with the global poker product, then

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you'll probably like what's to come from WPT. From Club

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WPT gold. It's a mouthful to say that over and over.

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I should just call it gold. But anyway, do you.

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Speaker 2: Think it's interesting that it's WPD gold?

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Speaker 1: Why? Because of Game of Gold? So I guess that's

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one of the first things I thought of. So I thought,

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here's a couple of things that I thought was interesting.

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Is that so one club wpt gold I think is fine.

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I mean whatever, I don't. I don't. I didn't think

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of that like you thought of it. What I did

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think of though, is they specifically mentioned sweeps coins, which yeah,

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that's what Global Poker uses, sweeps coins, right, And then

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they also call this entry or ticket to this free

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roll a golden passport, which I think gold pass for

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poker stars. So like, I like, those are the things

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that I'm like, it's not necessarily unique.

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Speaker 2: Gold im possible. It's pretty generic term like we use PG.

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is what's sweep sweep coins. I'm wondering if that's trademark.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea. I have no idea.

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I just know the gold of Pepoker uses. They have

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gold coins and they have sweeps coins. Those are the

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two areas that you can play in. The gold coins

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that are are the online currency model or however you

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to be a giveaway for these golden passports, where it

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says nearly two thousand people are going to win a

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golden passport to come out to Las Vegas to compete

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in this club WPT gold five million dollar free roll.

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First place is going to be one million dollars. Of

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that five million, approximately twenty five percent of the field

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is going to be paid. So five hundred and three

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players is what they list in this article. And then

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they say everyone who makes the money and busts will

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have a second chance drawing where one in five will

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draw one hundred free entries or one of one hundred

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free entries into the ten thousand dollars WPT World Championship.

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So from this free rule, I'll get it. Let's let's

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just I know they said nearly two thousand, but let's

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just say two thousands because it's just easier. So two thousand.

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So then you have five hundred people are going to cash. Right,

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then you're gonna have one hundred of those five hundred

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are going to win a ten k seat to the

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World Championship. So you have that. Okay, so you're you're

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the floor of entries in the in the World Championship

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is well it's.

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Speaker 2: One hundred, right, No, but he you already mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't. I haven't been able to find out,

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like exactly where all those other stuff coming. I mean

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they're having like I'm assuming there's some live qualifiers. There's

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obviously WPT Global is going to be satelliting people in.

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I did look at the win schedule because the full

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schedule is out now, by the way. So they have

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two hundred and forty satellites at the festival. Okay, So

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if you include those two hundred and forty satellites ask

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the festival, you include these one hundred qualifiers. So that's

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three forty right there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, for a second, I thought you meant two hundred

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and forty individual satellites.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, but they have a ton

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of satellites, but two hundred. Like they have like a

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bunch of twenty five seat guarantees. They brought back the

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seventy five seat guarantee, like you know, all that sort

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of stuff is happening again. So from from what I counted,

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it's two hundred and forty seats during the festival in December.

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At Win they also have stuff like at this upcoming

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win Fall Poker Classic, they have a satellite there and

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I think it's three seats guaranteed. If I remember correctly.

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If I'm wrong, I apologize. But so that's where they're

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you know, ultimately getting this number of one thousand SOT

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pretty good floor overall. Now are they going to push

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towards there? And thirty five inches is what they got

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last year in the WT World Championship. Of course, it

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had that forty million dollar guarantee that they missed on

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by I think right around two and a half million

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that the WPT had to eat as it pertains to

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this club WPT Gold Free roll. Just getting back to that,

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they have a mystery bounty format as well, where I

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believe it's at two hundred and ninety seven players remaining.

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That's when like the mystery bounty format kicks in. There's

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two forms of this mystery bounty. Okay, there's two hundred

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and eighty eight times the mystery bounties ranging from five

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hundred dollars to one thousand dollars. Then there are eight

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mystery bounties for the final table reserved for the final table.

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But one of those eight, sir, is zero dollars.

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Speaker 2: Brutal, but I love it.

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Speaker 1: So the payouts for this thing, which we're announced today

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million dollars up top second place two hundred and fifty

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thousand dollars horrible, seems insane, but okay, third place one

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twenty five, then seventy five to fifty, forty thirty, twenty

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five twenty those are.

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Speaker 2: For the top facilitates chucks right, because it's gonna have

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to be one of miss guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: As I understand it, anyone is part of the eligible

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jurisdictions in the US and Canada believe it is. Can

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go to CLUBWPT gold dot com and just sign up

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for a free account. You can put your information in.

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Tim and I both have have done it already and

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they're going to be drawing people from there to win

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these golden passports to then come out to Las Vegas

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and compete in this five million dollar free rold. There

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are going to be other ways they've mentioned, like you know,

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some social media giveaways and whatnot, which they've they've done

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in the past as it relates to the WPT World Championship.

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So if if you fancy yourself, you know, wanting to

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get into this five million dollar free role that they're

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having and in I guess celebration of the new project

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that is Club WPT Gold, then then head on over

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to clubwpt gold dot com and just sign up part

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of the mystery bounties. They're going to have two one

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hundred thousand dollars bounties as top prizes. Everyone at the

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final table gets a minimum of twenty thousand dollars, which

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I already mentioned, and then there's their own pool of

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mystery bounties for there, uh, you know, with the with

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a two or three dollars mystery bounding up for grabs.

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So I mean you could you could win the tournament,

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right and then also get some of these mystery boundies

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and win more than a million dollars. You know, you

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could come in second place, get the biggest mystery bounty

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and then you you know, you have four hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars. Is that how I understand it? So again,

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all of this is in celebration for the launch of

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Club WPT Gold that is coming in what they've listed

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as early twenty twenty five. I believe the exact line

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is the site is expected to launch in early twenty

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twenty five. I do find it interesting. So I've had

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it's been again eight nine ten days or however since

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this has been announced, and I've I've had some a

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pretty big tug of war in my head on how

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I feel about all of this. So on one hand,

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I think the the venture into the sweepstakes poker model

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is good, but I have some questions. I mean, in

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my opinion, the WPT has always been notoriously conservative, So

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I'm wondering, like, what has finally been the motivation to

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get in right Is it simply seeing the success of

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somebody like a global poker and they said, you know what,

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we have a big enough brand, let's get into this.

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I think, you know, it's been no secret. You can

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just you know, there's been a lot of talk about

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Global Poker, Chumbu Casino all owned by you know, VGW,

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and and how much money that they've been pulling in

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in revenue every single year. A lot of that stuff

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has been out there more recently in the news. So

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is that kind of like one of the things where

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WPT is looking at it and saying like, we need

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to try and get in there and get a piece

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of this pie. The other side of me says, you know,

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are they too late to the party, because there's been

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some pushback in the sweepstakes gambling world. You know, for example,

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Michigan has said, you guys can't operate here anymore, you know,

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stuff like that. You know, So is is there going

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to be some pushback? Is there going to be some

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lobbying behind closed doors from real money gaming operators who

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are required to like you know, jump through hoops to

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get legalized in certain states and pay all these license fees,

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these taxes and et cetera. Right, are they gonna then

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lobby behind closed doors being like, hey, knock knock, government,

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what are you doing letting these people get in here

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and operate basically? And I don't know forty five plus

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states or whatever it is, right, So like there's stuff

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like that. So I where we sit right now, We

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obviously don't have an answer to that. But what I

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will say is that this could be the moment in

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time where in five, ten, fifteen years, whatever it is,

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where we say we should have known and it's it's

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there are two sides that we should have known. It's

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one we should have known that sweepstakes casinos, sweepstakes poker

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were completely safe, just knowing how concern servative WPT has

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been in the past, and they finally got in, so

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they must feel it's worthwhile to get into this, and

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it's it's safe enough to get into this. You know,

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there's not going to be like some giant regulatory shutdown

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like that's that's one side of things where we've been like, yeah,

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we should have known, and we should have like other

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companies should have been more willing to get into this

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model because WBT got into it. The other side of

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things is that, you know, are they too late to

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the party? And like you're gonna be able to tell

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from that, you know, so should we have known at

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the time that they're too late to the party, just

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given the fact that there's been some increased talk of pushback.

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So then if this like all comes crumbling down in

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the upcoming years, you know, is it going to be like, yeah,

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we should have known that they were too late to

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the party. So you can kind of go either way.

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And that's like just something that you know, we're putting

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out there that we can possibly revisit in the future.

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So I just find that that's an interesting thing to

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to kind of think about. You know. Again, I've I've

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gone kind of back and forth in my mind because

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I think getting into this sort of model for the

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WPT is a good thing. I mean, if you're gonna

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try it, you have to try it now. You can't

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wait any longer. Yeah. I like the fact that they're

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putting they're putting an absolute minimum five million dollars in

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marketing behind this project, which is this free role. Now.

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Is it gonna work? We don't know yet, but they

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are betting with their wallets, okay, And obviously that five

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million dollars in marketing is going to be more because

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you know, you're gonna have to spend some money to

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actually market the thing, like you know, so it's probably

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like seven and a half million, I have no idea, right,

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you also have to build the platform and whatever, and

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then when it does launch in what they they are

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listing as early twenty twenty five, I'm assuming there's gonna

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be some more marketing push there, right, So, I mean,

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I don't think it's out of the question to say

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they're spending seven and a half to ten minsion dollars

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to try and get this thing off the ground and

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up and running. So I think that coming out with

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such a big promotion like this club WPT five million

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dollar free roll can help cut down the gap that

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you have between other operators in this space, you know,

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because if you just can't try and kind of come

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in cold, you know, you're you're you're definitely gonna have

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to play catch up here. You can maybe accelerate that

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ketchup a little bit, you're still going to be behind

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other operators, yes, but we'll see. And then I think

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a lot of it's just going to come down to

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what does the platform itself look like, Because if it's

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a good quality platform, I think a lot of people

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will flock there. Naturally, WPT has a good brand, the globe,

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the WPT Global platform is very good. The Club WPT platform,

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the regular one is not good. So so like if

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they're basically just going to take like you know, the

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development of the the global platform, kind of use that

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and then a here, I think that's great, you know,

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especially if you can do things like play it on mobile,

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you know, adequately, multi table, et cetera. Secondary to that,

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where I think that you can really help, you know,

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close the gap between somebody like them in a global

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poker for example, is if they're going to use live

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event qualification, that's huge. If they can use the Club

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WPT Gold platform to qualify people for their live poker tournaments.

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Because the World Poker too has such a big brand,

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then that's a really big boost to them as well.

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You know, if you can win into you know, Seminal

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Hard Rock or whatever it may be, went into the

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World Championship, et cetera. Now they do stuff on Club

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ept on the regular site. But it's like, you know,

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one seed a month. It's it's you know, much much

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harder because of the model and the way that it

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shakes out here. You know, it's again it's it's not

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real money online gaming by definition. It's just more closely

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aligned so you can do you know, kind of satellite

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qualifiers in more of a general sense that people understand

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out there. So I'm curious to see how that all

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plays out. So on one side of me says, okay,

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this is a very cool promotion. This is a good

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way to announce it. You know, they're going to get again,

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approximately two thousand people that are into this event, five

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hundred of them are going to make the money. One

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person's gonna win a million dollars, a bunch of other

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people are gonna win a lot of money. On a

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hundred people are going to then go on to have

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an experience of playing in the ten K World Championship.

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So there's a lot to be had here from a

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player experience aspect, coupled with the fact that one thing

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we know about the World Poker Tour is they bank

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on player experience. That is like their core, their foundation.

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So I would imagine I would expect nothing less of

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the WPT that they're going to roll out the red

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carpet for these two thousand people and essentially make them

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ambassadors for the Club WPT gold product, right, because if

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you win in you come out to Las Vegas, you

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have an amazing time. You know, win money or don't

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win money. You know, if if that experience is great,

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you're gonna just go back and tell people how great

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the WPT brand is and why they should play on

474
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Club WPT goal. So, like, you know, that's on the

475
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,920
back end now. I do also have questions of the

476
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,799
WPT World Championship, Like so, like the purest in me says,

477
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:29,319
doing this without a guarantee seems incredibly silly. I mean, like,

478
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,279
so I don't know how I feel about it. I mean,

479
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,799
how do you feel. I've been talking forever, so just

480
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,799
to talk say something.

481
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,599
Speaker 2: Look, I was teamed run it back with forty million,

482
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,359
dropping it down to twenty five or thirty or fifteen,

483
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,920
and maybe they didn't want to do that. That's fine.

484
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,279
I still think people are gonna play. I still think

485
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,480
people are gonna stay here in Vegas or come to Vegas.

486
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,559
There's enough events on the schedule, which we'll probably touch

487
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,720
on a little later, but I think the main event

488
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,720
will be fine. It's not going to have probably anything

489
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,960
near what it had last year. Could it eclipse the

490
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,640
first year twenty two? Possibly?

491
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: So let me just quickly jump in twenty twenty two

492
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,240
nine hundred and sixty entries and then last year three

493
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:15,759
thy eight hundred and thirty five. In that first year

494
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,279
in twenty twenty two, the guarantee was fifteen million. I

495
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,039
think they got right around twenty nine million. Last year

496
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:22,960
they obviously went all the way up to forty million

497
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,759
dollars in the guarantee. They fell short by you know,

498
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,599
two two and a half million dollars whatever it was,

499
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:29,640
three eight hundred and thirty five entries.

500
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: So continue, So I think it will be fine. Yeah,

501
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,680
I think it's kind of bad for players if they're

502
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,279
trying to go to war with GG not having a

503
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,559
guarantee definitely, definitely is going to hurt when it comes

504
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,480
to the sweepstakes product. I like it. I'm a fan

505
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,759
of it. You said WPT. Obviously we've both spent time

506
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,200
with them. Are very you know, they're not going to

507
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,079
just kind of gamble on these things. So maybe this

508
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,640
is a positive sign for that platform. In this industry,

509
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,200
we talk about Global poker, there's a couple of new

510
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,440
ones that just came out, plus now this one. Maybe

511
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:06,880
you know, things are going to be on the up

512
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,720
for the sweepstakes model. So I think it's always good

513
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:14,559
to have competition. Competition is healthy. Global focer probably doesn't

514
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:16,799
like it, but I think that will be fine. You're

515
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:20,039
gonna get who knows, thousands of players with accounts in

516
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:23,279
the system ready to play. I'm sure. I mean, I

517
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:24,680
can't remember if you touched on it, but I'm sure

518
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,759
there's something some t's and c's in the prize pool

519
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,200
for this five million dollar freeyear old where some of

520
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,039
the prize pool is allocated to sweep coins.

521
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't seen anything, so I honestly don't

522
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,160
know and if and if they're doing this with the

523
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,720
platform not set to launch. For what I'm guessing is

524
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,880
at least two months. I mean best case, you know,

525
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,599
three weeks or whatever it is until it's January. I

526
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,200
would guess when you're calling something early twenty twenty five,

527
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:58,240
that means anywhere up to aprils in play. So I

528
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,680
don't think you could. I don't think you could build

529
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,119
in some sort of mechanism where let's say you have

530
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,359
somebody finished in first place for a million dollars and

531
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,640
it's in the t's and c's to award that as

532
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,200
sweeps coins on the platform, and then you're essentially holding

533
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,359
that million for months, right Like, I don't think that

534
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,440
that's going to provide the good pr look that you're

535
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,759
trying to get out of this. So from what I

536
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:23,480
can tell, this is going to just be all cash.

537
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:25,240
I mean, we can obviously ask the people over there

538
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,039
how that's going to work out or if there's any

539
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,279
thought to that, but but yeah.

540
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, the five million dollar

541
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:36,039
free roll is probably is incentive to a wider play

542
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,039
a pool than you know, a forty million dollar guarantee,

543
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:41,359
mainly because of the price point. Right we're talking about

544
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,000
the main event you're in for ten thousand plus, maybe

545
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,079
a re entry. This free roll attracts a whole different

546
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,680
you know, play a base like I was probably never

547
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,200
direct buying into the main event, but like this three

548
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:55,359
roll is right up my alley. You know, maybe it's

549
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,519
a way I can get into more events, getting to

550
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,759
potentially the main and I think it's you.

551
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's that's still a long shot.

552
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: Sure. But what I'm saying is that I think the

553
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,000
people that were going to play the main already are

554
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,880
going to play it regardless. I'm not say we'll see

555
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,319
too many peoples.

556
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,799
Speaker 1: So I'll say that I was somebody who always bookmarked

557
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:17,839
this event to play. I essentially pencil in two ten

558
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,759
k's a year, the WSB Main Event and the WPT

559
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,880
World Championship. I am now currently on the fence about

560
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,680
the WPT World Championship. You slap on a guarantee you're in,

561
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:32,519
I'm in there because I know that. Yeah, it just

562
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,759
it depends. It's it's not that I'm not out. I'm

563
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,119
not saying, but I'm more of a wait and see

564
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,000
because it makes sense because I would when I'm when

565
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,480
I'm somebody who takes a leap to playing a ten

566
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,440
k event, I want to be able to feel comfortable

567
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,000
playing it. I want to have value, right, you know,

568
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:53,559
if there's going to be eleven, fifteen hundred or whatever

569
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,640
it is, Jeremy Ostmas is in the field. Okay, I'm

570
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,640
not not playing like you know, like but ws a

571
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,519
P main event, you just you know that it's just

572
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,880
gonna be a field full of shot takers, recreationals, et cetera,

573
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,000
like tons of soft spots, so you can feel comfortable there.

574
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,240
Like obviously you're gonna run into very good players at times, yes,

575
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,200
but the majority of players are not ten K buying

576
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:16,720
level players. The WBT, I think, is a more difficult

577
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,279
ten K than the WSP main event in terms of

578
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:24,759
player quality. So does the lack of a guarantee make

579
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,240
it even harder? Right? I mean I don't know. The

580
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,920
other thing, well okay, but the other side of that

581
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,160
argument is that all the good players are going to

582
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160
be in the Mahamas playing twenty five k's and ten

583
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,759
k's and fifty like you know what I mean, Like

584
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:39,720
all the quo unquote Jeremy Alsi's of the world are

585
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,000
going to the Bahamas. So it's like I'm on that well,

586
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000
I mean, that's that's just my thinking. So again, it's

587
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,920
not that I'm out, I'm playing it, but it's one

588
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,880
of those things where I'll take more of a wait

589
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,240
and see approach and I'll say, Okay, does this do

590
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,039
I think that this is going to be a good field?

591
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,240
Then yeah, I'll dive in there like I'll I'll probably

592
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,079
play some saddle. It's again, they have a ton of

593
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,960
satellites on offer for this sort of thing, for this thing,

594
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,920
so I'll probably fire into there versus you know, in

595
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,279
years past, I'd be like, I'm not going to bother

596
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,839
the satellite. I'm just gonna I'm just going to sell

597
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,000
the action in play, right, you know, I know there's

598
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960
gonna be enough people coming out of the woodwork because

599
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:18,680
of where they put it with the guarantee, I will

600
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,359
say that I think, you know, we had talked about

601
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,160
it many times, but going from fifteen to forty was ridiculous.

602
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:27,759
I mean it's that's like part of me says that

603
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,119
I wonder if that was there a plan, meaning you

604
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,400
went from fifteen to forty, and the marketing push behind

605
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:43,519
the forty was biggest guarantee in poker history, which very

606
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:46,079
much woke up the bear or the bears that are

607
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:48,599
gg poker in doubyssip because then they came back with

608
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,319
fifty million and said, no, biggest guarantee in poker. Okay, So, like,

609
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,759
did you not think that you were gonna, you know,

610
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,039
wake up that giant from sleeping? Like I like, do

611
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:01,480
you know what I mean? Like like, were you not

612
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,640
prepared to go head to head like that? That's like

613
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,359
I don't think I was not prepared. I think they

614
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,279
maybe they're still SunShot, Like, but was there anyone in

615
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:11,480
the room that said, guys, fifteen to forty is a stretch?

616
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:16,440
What happens if we miss it? What's the plan? Like?

617
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,000
Because when you go from then forty to zero, that

618
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,240
tells me you didn't have a plan, of course, because

619
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,000
if you were to go from forty back to like

620
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,720
let's say twenty or twenty five, which is still an

621
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,240
increase on the first year, Like that's like the you know,

622
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,519
worst case scenario, we miss by a number we're not

623
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:34,039
comfortable with, we're gonna scalop back. This is what we're

624
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,799
going to scale it back to. You know, So I

625
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:41,039
feel like there wasn't a plan, right, doesn't feel now?

626
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,720
Kind of along those same lines, I still feel like

627
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,359
they're poking the bear a little bit here because.

628
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,759
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna say a WSP five.

629
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,839
Speaker 1: Again. They're saying biggest free roll in poker history, Like

630
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,319
you don't think GG Poker in WSP, which you know

631
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,079
obviously the news came out the GG Poker is in

632
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:02,640
the process of buying the ws BE, Like you don't

633
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,920
think they're over there saying like guys, let's go like yeah,

634
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,799
next summer, like biggest free for next December, biggest free

635
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,880
like you know what I mean, and clearly like they

636
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,759
don't care. They will go to whatever number it takes,

637
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,279
as you know, emphasized by the fact that they went

638
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,200
to fifty million. Like so it's like, are you now

639
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:25,640
kind of like poking that bear again? So yeah, that's

640
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:27,640
that's like, you know, it's kind of like okay, so

641
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,079
then what happens again? Like I I'm still like wrestling

642
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:35,160
in my mind, if if how this is gonna all

643
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200
shake out? I mean, I I don't know, and like

644
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,680
you know, I can make arguments for both sides, and

645
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,319
I feel like I can make kind of strong arguments

646
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,000
for both sides. I do feel like there wasn't a

647
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,759
backup plan if you missed the forty million. I think

648
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:49,880
that's kind of it.

649
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:53,799
Speaker 2: It feels like that. But like I mean, I mean,

650
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:55,920
I haven't been in the trenches at WPT like you

651
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,200
have been in the head office. I don't know how

652
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,640
things up right up, and they've being you know, a

653
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,680
little live reporter on the floor Hawaiian gardens and stuff.

654
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,359
So but why gardens. I love the guns, I'd say. Yeah.

655
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,320
One thing that kind of leads me in that direction

656
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,840
is just the way this gold coins the WD goal

657
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,599
kind of came out, news came out, we all signed up,

658
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,599
and then the days after that we started seeing promotions

659
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,960
from their ambassadors, from other content creators use my code,

660
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:29,320
you know, Rampage to be entered into this and this,

661
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,119
and I obviously we didn't put a promo code in,

662
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,159
so we've missed these drawings like this should have been

663
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,320
an all encompassing marketing plan project release, so that I

664
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,360
could choose, Okay, I would like to be part of

665
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,079
Rampage's promotion or I'd like to be part of Joey

666
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Ingram's promotion.

667
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,079
Speaker 1: And then I asked about that, And so you don't

668
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,039
need to enter a promo code like I think. You

669
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,440
enter your name, your email, and then there's a boxing

670
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,639
promo code. I think that's right now, you don't need

671
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,360
to enter the promo code. But if you do enter

672
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,320
a promo code like one of the ones from the

673
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,559
Ambassadors or whatever. I think there's one like general one

674
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:06,639
on the WPT site in the everything you need to

675
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,719
Know article, et cetera, then you can possibly get entered

676
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,920
into additional drawings like we've missed that, you know, we've

677
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,800
missed that chance, which silly and like a so I

678
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,559
think that that is.

679
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew whoever, whoever was in charge

680
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,800
of that it should have been when you released that.

681
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that part of the thing, that

682
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:30,199
part was really buttoned up, you know. But but I

683
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,559
will say that, you know, on the the back end

684
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,480
of things, this is a way that they can then track,

685
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,559
you know, how many people is Rampage driving, how many

686
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:40,679
people is brad Owen driving? Like, you know, so they

687
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,159
can say, like, oh, five hundred people signed up for this,

688
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
but only twenty people signed up for here. Clearly you're

689
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:48,760
not an ambassador worth anything, right, So like like that's

690
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,239
how you can track things on the back end, like

691
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,840
who which which of your marketing channels have reach.

692
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: How do you track us?

693
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: Well, there's always going to be people that don't sign up.

694
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,519
There's a code. I mean, we ever did in poker

695
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:03,079
roll all the time.

696
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:06,039
Speaker 2: Difference with us signing up in the first hour versus

697
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,440
someone signing up in two weeks with the promo code, right, So.

698
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,519
Speaker 1: I mean, who who it? Maybe you can do with

699
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:11,119
a time thing?

700
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,159
Speaker 2: And I think I didn't. I ask you these are

701
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,760
a promo code? You said, no, a confine one. Someone

702
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,440
asked me if there's a promo corde I said no.

703
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did think it was interesting that when so

704
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,960
we both signed up, like right when we saw the

705
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,599
press release hit or in boxes, right, I thought it

706
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,559
was interesting that I went to the website and they

707
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,480
had a box for the promo code, and I was like,

708
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,679
but the site's not live yet. I can't purchase anything,

709
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,320
so what's the point of me entering a promo code.

710
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,360
I didn't even like think that it could be something

711
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,079
that would allow me to get into additional drawings. But whatever,

712
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,320
I don't care. You know, I don't expect to be picked.

713
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,800
So no big deal, not that big of a deal.

714
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,400
So yeah, I just I just wrote a bunch of

715
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,840
other stuff down again. You know, I just thought I

716
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,800
thought it was interesting that, you know, they're still kind

717
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,239
of coming with that you know, biggest in poker history messaging,

718
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,800
only now applying it to the free roll, which you know,

719
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,239
if we know how this went the first time around,

720
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,599
it feels like next year we're going to get some

721
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:06,079
sort of massive free role coming out of out of

722
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:08,920
the WSFP or GG Poker or whatever they do a

723
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,920
paradise in December, right, I mean that kind of seems

724
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,039
like that would that would track. I have a concern

725
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,519
and this is like the the fan in me. So

726
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,679
I talked about how like from the industry side of things,

727
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,440
how we're thinking about things. I talked about me specifically,

728
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,360
somebody who has played the WPT World Championship the first

729
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,840
two years that it's been at the win or these

730
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,920
last two years that it's been in the win. But

731
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,239
now I'm kind of much more on the fence. We'll

732
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000
see how it goes. I'm probably leaning like sixty forty sixty.

733
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,519
I'll be in, you know, just knowing all the qualifiers

734
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,119
and whatnot that they have, but you know, there's still

735
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,599
there's a bigger chance than before that I would miss

736
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,159
this sort of thing before. It was like when they

737
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,079
announced fifteen million, right, it was like, oh my gosh,

738
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:53,719
like I have to do whatever takes to get in this.

739
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,800
Then they announced forty million, and I was like, okay,

740
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,360
like I might sell one of my kids to get

741
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,320
into this thing. Right now, It's like, okay, I can back.

742
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,519
Not a big deal. You know, maybe I fire you know,

743
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:07,760
eight bullets into the prime instead. Right. So so yeah,

744
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,000
now we saw the WPT World Championship go from being

745
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,360
this is me speaking like the fan and me. We

746
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,800
saw the WPT World World Championship like the old one, right,

747
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,119
the twenty five k you know, that was one of

748
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:24,960
the biggest things in poker, and then it like kind

749
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,840
of just slowly like went away. And then they brought

750
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,639
in the WPT Tournament of champions Right then that kind

751
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,760
of slowly goes away. Then they bring in this WPT

752
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,760
World Championship at the WINN and it comes in like

753
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,880
just gangbusters, fifteen million first year, forty million next year,

754
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,000
like everyone's raving about it.

755
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: Here we go.

756
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,119
Speaker 1: I always thought the WPT World Championship was awesome, Like

757
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,400
when I first was getting into poker, I freaking loved it.

758
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:53,480
You know, I hated that it went away, right, I

759
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,039
always thought you coul should have kind of had that

760
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:56,840
season ending like big buy an event.

761
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: Yep.

762
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: I always love to the Tournament of champions. The WPT

763
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,920
hero On Champas I think was incredible. I know it

764
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,599
was extremely like exclusive, small field and that sort of thing.

765
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,920
I freaking love that event. I wish that they would

766
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,559
bring that back. So now I just wonder you go

767
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,599
from fifteen to forty you miss. Now you're at zero.

768
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:20,480
All the marketing push that I can see so far,

769
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,519
and I know it's it's early, but it is October

770
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,920
and this is coming up in December is all about

771
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,719
this free roll. So like, is this WPT World Championship

772
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,039
just gonna like fall off a cliff?

773
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:33,639
Speaker 2: No? I don't think it will.

774
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying that's the concern.

775
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's the concerent. Yeah, of course, that's the concern.

776
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,719
I get twelve hundred entrants, right.

777
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So now let me speak on that specifically and

778
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,280
you'll be able to like talk to this. I think

779
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:51,000
my success, my success benchmark is that it needs to

780
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:56,280
have I think seventeen hundred entries. The reason why I

781
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,400
say that is that the WPT one drop event thing

782
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,840
that happened in the summer at the win twenty twenty

783
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,719
three had sixteen hundred and seventy six This summer at

784
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,000
the win they had their ten K and wasn't WPT,

785
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,039
but it was a ten K had fourteen hundred and

786
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:17,079
forty entries. So like, I just think that's the I

787
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:20,760
think that the quote unquote WPT World Championship should be

788
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,760
the biggest thing at the win. Like, if you're WPT,

789
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,440
you should want it to be the biggest ten K

790
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:29,480
at the win. So the floor is whatever those numbers are.

791
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,400
So I'll say seventeen hundred just to like round up

792
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,360
a little bit. So that's like my if it's like

793
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,400
if they come in and it's twelve hundred, which I

794
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,119
don't really think is possible because they have the one thousand,

795
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,039
eleven hundred satellity, is that what they're saying? So, you know,

796
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,920
but maybe there's a world that it happens.

797
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, So Okay, we all know

798
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,960
that they're going to be like, Okay, let's hit thirty

799
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,840
eight hundred players to show we didn't need a guarantee

800
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,199
to crush. That's not gonna happen. I think their next go,

801
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,960
and it's very it's somewhat attainable, would be to surpass

802
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,960
the twenty twenty two number of twenty nine hundred and sixty.

803
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,639
Now I think they're not good. I'm not saying I'm

804
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:04,360
not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying that's probably

805
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,079
their that's what they're shooting for. W we know from WPT,

806
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,599
they like they always like to be like, we want

807
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,199
this many entrance. They always have some goal in numbers

808
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,480
when it comes to all their main tour stops. I

809
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,800
think their goal will be twenty nine to sixty one,

810
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:18,360
and then I think the next one would be maybe

811
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,519
a little bit more where you are like seventeen hundred

812
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,079
to two thousand. Just they want to have a decent

813
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,519
enough prize pool where it's like ends up being you know,

814
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,440
maybe it is fifteen million or something where it doesn't

815
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,880
look so bad, because bad would be a twelve hundred,

816
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,960
et cetera. And the only way that really happens is

817
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,280
if you know, if Adam's really promising eleven one thousand

818
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,119
satellite qualifiers, half of them just take cash or tornament

819
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,039
dollars or whatever they have an option of it, so

820
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,280
it's unlikely to happen. But I don't know exactly if

821
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,159
that thousand is true or if they have a you know,

822
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,639
another option where they can just accept money or cash

823
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:54,039
or something.

824
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's definitely been less of a

825
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,760
push this year for the satellite specific to the WPT

826
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,760
World Championship then last year. Obviously last year and then

827
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,119
you and I talked about this. I mean, you have

828
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:07,880
to hit a forty million dollar guarantee, so you're going

829
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,519
to be pushing the crap out of this. Now. I

830
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:14,199
mentioned that there are two hundred and forty guaranteed seats

831
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,800
at the win in December, so there's that you have

832
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,119
the one hundred coming from this free roll. So now

833
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,880
you're at three forty. Okay, I would say just based

834
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,000
on a bunch of other stuff. You know, people winning

835
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,079
in VIA, they win a prime, they win WPT, et cetera.

836
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,119
You know you're probably pushing four hundred, three seventy five,

837
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:35,320
four hundred like you're getting there right, So okay, like

838
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,519
where are these other six hundred coming from? I'm assuming

839
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,719
WPT Global. I guess you know you're going to have

840
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,119
some obviously some some regular Club WPT qualifiers. Yes, So

841
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,920
I just think that, you know, if you do have

842
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,280
an idea of like a number that you benchmark as

843
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,519
success or that you view as respectable, like we don't

844
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:54,880
want to go below this, et cetera, then start putting

845
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,920
the word out about that sort of stuff like, Okay,

846
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,400
you know fifty people have won from club WPT, like,

847
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,800
you know, sort of stuff. Again, very similar to what

848
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,280
Poker Stars did with that PSPC. Like I thought that

849
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,960
marketing was incredible, right, So I do find it it

850
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,639
interesting that the number is said to be a thousand qualifiers,

851
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,280
so we'll see where it comes from. I also think that, listen,

852
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,599
this is going to be a test of the player

853
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:24,559
first ideology that the WPT preaches and holds to its core.

854
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,400
And what I mean by that is it's a test

855
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,519
for the community, and I'm curious to see if the

856
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:36,360
community passes this test, because all the community does when

857
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,519
the WPT puts on this cruise ship thing that probably

858
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:42,400
lost them a crap ton of money, they do this

859
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,280
incredible stuff over at the wind in December. They're willing

860
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,880
to go up to forty million and go head to

861
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,400
head with the WSP when everyone's like, what are you doing?

862
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,199
That's crazy to go from fifteen to forty, Like you're

863
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,079
doing all this sort of stuff, right, they're constantly player first,

864
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,760
player first, player first, right, they very much say it,

865
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,840
but they also walk the walk, right, just talking the talk,

866
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:02,719
they do walk the walk when it comes to that.

867
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,360
So did they buy goodwill with the players? Will the

868
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,960
players still show up without a big guarantee on this

869
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,199
event or will the players be like, you know what,

870
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,199
we'll play the prime whatever, but we're not going to

871
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,679
splurge for the ten k. Or if you were going

872
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,880
to splurge for the ten k in years past, you know,

873
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,800
if it has a forty million dollar price tag, maybe

874
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,400
you're firing three four bullets versus this year you're like,

875
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,800
you know what, I'll take one shot, you know. Or

876
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,880
are those players saying like, you know what, why should

877
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,800
I try and reach for a ten K when I

878
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,760
can just reach for a twenty five K and go

879
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,239
play a fifty million dollar guarantee?

880
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,559
Speaker 2: Right? So like, yeah, that's a good point.

881
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if all the what they've done

882
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,679
in literally their whole history WPT in terms of putting

883
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,119
the players first, you know, are they going to are

884
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,039
the players then going to come back being like you've

885
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,000
been so good to us, you know what, we you

886
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:54,920
don't need a guarantee because we're still going to show

887
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,760
up and are what they think are thirty eight hundred

888
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,400
players going to show up for thirty hundred entries?

889
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:59,599
Speaker 2: Right?

890
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: You know? Is that gonna happen? And I thought I

891
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,800
heard a number that it was right around two thousand,

892
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,239
maybe twenty one hundred uniques played. I thought that was

893
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400
the number. I forget maybe it was higher. I can't remember,

894
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,880
but that's it about right, that's a good amount of uniques.

895
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,920
Is that number of uniques gonna come back? Or is it,

896
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:19,599
you know, tied to a guarantee because you know, I

897
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,880
mentioned those podcasts that that Pliska was on. He was

898
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,079
on Only Friends with Burkey and them, and Burkeie said,

899
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,679
you know, basically we're poker players. We go where the

900
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,280
ev is so kind of in my sort of thinking

901
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,719
like if I don't think this event is valuable, am

902
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,280
I gonna bother to try and kind of extend myself,

903
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,880
extend my bank roll? Or can I just fire somewhere else?

904
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,639
Speaker 2: Right? If we could get those numbers, those unique the

905
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,320
unique entrants that percentage. I would say this year, obviously

906
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,519
that both is gonna go down, but I would say

907
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:54,079
that the re entry rate drops more than the unique right,

908
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:57,400
because once you fired that Wambulla, it's not like, you know,

909
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,360
you don't see this overlay, you don't see this forty

910
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,960
million dollars guarantee. So the incentive to rebuy Reana is

911
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,840
not as not as big as last ya. So obviously

912
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,320
there will be a drop off in both, but us

913
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,079
it's a guarantee. I think that there's a steepid drop

914
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,480
off in re entries than there is the actual uniques.

915
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess, just quickly on Donnie as a

916
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,000
player speaking, I now view this event very similar to

917
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,079
how I always view WPT five diamond. I would never

918
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:29,400
play that just because it just always seemed like an

919
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,960
unattainable goal to compete in that field when you have

920
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:37,440
these players who are the best of the best with

921
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:42,440
multiple bullets and there's no like guarantee supporting or or

922
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,119
you know, driving I guess more recreational or weaker players

923
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,920
into the field, possibly creating the ev and the fact

924
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,239
of a big overlay, like you know, So there's that aspect, right, now,

925
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360
WPT five Diamond always drew very well. You know, it

926
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,239
got banger numbers, right, you know, seven eight hundred, nine

927
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,920
hundred and well over one thousand players in the field,

928
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,079
huge prizes, but you know, you're battling with the Alex

929
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:06,440
Faxon's of the world, who are firing multiple bullets in

930
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,320
a very good structured event, like without that guarantee that

931
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,559
is driving the other elements that you need to create

932
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,400
value or are you gonna chase So like that's that's how

933
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,239
I kind of look at it now. I don't think

934
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,719
it's as unplayable, I guess as I would view WPT

935
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,719
five Diamond, you know, but it's more closer to that

936
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,239
than it is now to like the WSP main event, right.

937
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,559
So that's just how I kind of think about it.

938
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:33,880
So and I'm curious to see if if other players

939
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,480
feel that way, or if people make the trip out,

940
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,440
or you know, whatever it may be. I'm curious. I

941
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,840
also think that just kind of wrapping up this talk

942
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,480
about the guarantee and then we're going to hit on

943
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:46,079
some of the schedule stuff. I think you just set

944
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:48,440
the bar when you go to forty, which is again

945
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:52,320
our argument we said you do this, it's hard to

946
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,079
go back. Like, and if you go back, I mean,

947
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:57,960
this is like the worst case going back, or maybe

948
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,239
this is better than twenty I have none.

949
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,119
Speaker 2: I think it's better. I think going to zero is

950
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,639
bet then going to like fifteen or twenty five.

951
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: To be honest, Yeah, But I'm always of the opinion that, like,

952
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,519
if you change something that is viewed negative, you just

953
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,480
admit it and you talk about it and you be

954
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:15,760
open about it, which which they did when they missed

955
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,400
the guarantee. They came out there minutes after it happened.

956
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,760
Plisko was in front of a microphone in front of

957
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,639
cameras being like, hey, we missed, We're paying for it.

958
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:26,719
We're gonna take it on the chin. You got questions

959
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,079
fire on my way, right, So why couldn't you do

960
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:30,599
that same sort of thing and just be like, listen,

961
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,519
we swung for the fences last year. We have to

962
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:37,280
scale back. We obviously recognize the landscape in this specific

963
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,000
time period going up against our biggest competitor. So you know,

964
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,280
we're gonna do twenty five or we're gonna do thirty,

965
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,639
and we would love to have you still. Plus there's

966
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:49,000
this five million dollar free roll. Plus we're doing the

967
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,199
Prime again. That got ten thousand entries last you know

968
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,280
what I mean. So it's like, I think that could

969
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,519
have been the Cell if you were worried about it.

970
00:48:55,559 --> 00:49:00,360
So that's just where I'm at with things there. Let's

971
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,599
get into the schedule, because they also dropped the entire schedule.

972
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,800
It is available over on WPT dot com. Also, did

973
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,960
you know that I think all the main tour events

974
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:15,880
are now called championship events like WPT Australia Championship, WPTX Championship,

975
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,199
everything is championship. I thought it was the main tour

976
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,519
and then that just wasn't named. Now it's championship anyway,

977
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,880
So the schedule dropped. I have some highlights. So first

978
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,480
thing that sticks out to me. The big opener last

979
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,400
year was a six hundred dollars buy in one million

980
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:40,719
dollar guarantee. This year it is an eight hundred dollars

981
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,840
buy in and it remains a one million dollar guarantee.

982
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,599
My thoughts are that it's interesting to see the buy

983
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:51,559
in increase but not the guarantee. I think they certainly

984
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:53,360
could have gone to two million or two and a

985
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,960
half million, And I know our buddy Matt Savage will

986
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,440
fight me on this, but yeah, I mean couple things.

987
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:03,880
First year that they did this, it was six hundred

988
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,519
five hundred k guarantee, right, they got two nine hundred

989
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,360
and ninety nine entries for a one point five five

990
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,320
to nine million dollar prize school, so more than three

991
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:17,199
x the guarantee. Last year they go six hundred one million,

992
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,199
they get four thy nine hundred and fifty. Michael Rosito

993
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,320
wins the thing prize school was two point five million,

994
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,199
so two point five x on the guarantee. So I

995
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,719
think it's very much within the realm of possibility that

996
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,440
they could have kept it six hundred and gone to

997
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:33,480
two or two and a half million, maybe even pushed

998
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,760
it to three. Like that's part of the general schedule

999
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,039
here is like if you remove the forty million, maybe

1000
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,880
apply some larger guarantees to the other stuff, or some

1001
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,360
guarantee increases to the other stuff, which you and I

1002
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,159
talked about, where like if you're gonna go head to

1003
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,719
head with the WSP Paradise in December, one of the

1004
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,199
things you could do is cater to the like sub

1005
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,840
five thousand dollars buying player, like one thousand dollars player,

1006
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:00,519
five hundred dollar player, et cetera. Eight hundred dollar buying

1007
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:04,079
also feels too close to WPT Prime, Like that's weird

1008
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,760
to me. I mean, don't they have this WPT five

1009
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:12,639
hundred brand. Why isn't it just the WPT five hundred opener? Yeah,

1010
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,400
and it's five hundred dollars buying and it has a

1011
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,239
two million dollar guarantee. And the reason why I bring

1012
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,000
up two million as a number is that Seminal Hard

1013
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,360
Rock or Seminal Rock and Roll Poker Open, which is

1014
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,880
coming up very soon, is right before the WPT World

1015
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,639
Championship opens with a four hundred dollars buying two million

1016
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:37,159
dollar guarantee. Shouldn't the WPT World Championship Series aim to

1017
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,760
do everything bigger and better? I mean, it's your World Championship,

1018
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,880
it is your season ending like extravaganza. I mean, shouldn't

1019
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,039
everything be bigger and better as part of this series,

1020
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,239
including this opener?

1021
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:51,199
Speaker 2: Yes.

1022
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: So obviously Seminole draws extremely well, but the win is incredible.

1023
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,719
They are the Seminal of Vegas. It is what they are.

1024
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: So obviously we're we're we're friends with the people at

1025
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,840
the win. Ryan and Ray who hopefully will be on

1026
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:11,440
this podcast coming up hopefully. I have spoken to them.

1027
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,760
We have a little group chat. It's called Win Besties.

1028
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,119
Speaker 1: That's throwing shots at the poker Tour. By the way,

1029
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,239
I heard that, Ryan, Okay, we'll say that for the

1030
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,519
first I heard. I heard.

1031
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:26,199
Speaker 2: So after speaking with them, I feel that they are

1032
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,519
very much in control of the side events. And I

1033
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,599
basically ask exactly what you said, six hundred, now eight hundred,

1034
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,039
same prize for what are you what are you doing?

1035
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:34,840
It's like, we don't have the space, We're not in

1036
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,199
the ballroom yet, so there reasons makes sense. They kind

1037
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,360
accommodate the big fields. We saw it. We you were

1038
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,920
lined up for a while as an alternate. We understand

1039
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,079
that six hundred. It's it's great, it's a great entry

1040
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:49,679
point for an opening event. So I get get it

1041
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,400
that they've made it eight hundred dollars. Ray thinks it's

1042
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,400
still going to be still going to be huge, even.

1043
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,039
Speaker 1: Though it's going to be huge. That's but that's why

1044
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:58,159
I say that you could have an increased guarantee because

1045
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,760
like you just I know that it's going to be big,

1046
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:06,320
like I have, you just have a million. The smallest

1047
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:08,920
doubt that it's going to have a two point five

1048
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,039
million dollar prize pool, if not three million, Right, But

1049
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,119
I'm just saying it looks like you're not trying as

1050
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,280
far because you're you're you're running it back but increasing

1051
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,400
the buy in. So what you're telling people on the

1052
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,320
surface is that we only are expecting this many entries,

1053
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,159
like you know, so that that's just you know, that's

1054
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,599
what I'm Yeah, I mean my biggest I also think

1055
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:35,760
that eight hundred is again closer to prime. That's like

1056
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,639
a I know it's small, but like the difference between

1057
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:41,480
a five h play and an eight hundred player, there's

1058
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,360
still like a little bit of a game, you know.

1059
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: I'm that guy that's saying, like you could.

1060
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:50,079
Speaker 1: Just slap out WPT five hundred, there's your brand boom.

1061
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,440
WPT has certainly made it made a case to try

1062
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,400
and bring back this alpha eight. So why can't they

1063
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,079
do with WPT five hundred on their schedule happening this

1064
00:53:57,159 --> 00:53:59,360
year they hit some WT five hundred event playground.

1065
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think gets I think it's what they've said,

1066
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,559
it's a space issue. The problem with the eight hundred

1067
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:05,519
is last year we did the six hundred. We both

1068
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:09,519
played eye cash, you did not. I was okay with

1069
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,000
two bullets in that twelve hundred dollars, and I was

1070
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:15,440
on the fence about playing Prime because I'm in it,

1071
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,079
but I cash. I then played Prime. Now this if

1072
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,000
I'm eating for two bullets, I mean now was sixteen

1073
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,079
hundred dollars. Prime is eleven hundred. Do I want to

1074
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:27,360
just maybe spend twenty two hundred dollars on Prime instead?

1075
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,400
The fact that it's literally back to back also hurts

1076
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,400
for some of those players unsure all that work they're

1077
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,320
going to have to, you know, the rec player out

1078
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,760
there like me, if they have a job, it's going

1079
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,639
to have to choose between one or the other. So

1080
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,960
I mean, why wouldn't you choose the five million dollars

1081
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,239
guarantee and spend three hundred dollars more per buying that?

1082
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,239
To me, it's probably it is probably going to be

1083
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,639
a slightly better structure, you know, more starting chips, longer levels.

1084
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,039
Obviously we don't know the actual blind increases from what

1085
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:58,199
I'm looking at, so I think you will lose some

1086
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,760
of those borderline players, one such as myself that I

1087
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,840
only want to spend a couple thousand dollars at the win.

1088
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:06,960
You know, they want to play say the seventy five

1089
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,960
Scramble satellite, whatever it is they want to play, be

1090
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:13,880
played two bullets in the prime, and they're going to

1091
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,119
just skip the eight hundred. So I think it's it

1092
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:18,880
does hurt. Six hundred or five hundred would have been better.

1093
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,079
But yeah, I think they're doing this for a reason.

1094
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:21,840
I just don't like it.

1095
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I liked what they did with

1096
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:27,559
the six hundred one million last year, right, you know

1097
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,199
that's because it very much tracked with like what everything

1098
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,400
they do down at Seminole, which I think is arguably

1099
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,360
the best big Field Big Series tournament venue in the US.

1100
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,840
I mean, is that to be I mean wins up

1101
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,679
there now, but I'm saying at the time, like win

1102
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,800
was a little bit more of the up and comer

1103
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:46,679
challenger to that. I also think that five hundred again

1104
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,880
is just cleaner. It has that brand of WPT five.

1105
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:53,000
So anyway, early they have a sixteen hundred dollars mystery bounty.

1106
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:56,239
Last year it had a two million dollar guarantee. It

1107
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,719
was multi flight, it had three flights. This year it's

1108
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,559
a two day even with a five hundred kre guarantee,

1109
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,360
so some scaling back there right now. This is probably

1110
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,400
the I would say that this might this might be

1111
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,840
a bigger issue for me personally than not having a

1112
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,920
guarantee on the World Championship is the fact that they

1113
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,199
did not increase the Prime Championship guarantee.

1114
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: What do they get lost year.

1115
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: It got ten thousand, five hundred and twelve entries for

1116
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,519
a ten ten million, one hundred ninety six thousand dollars

1117
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:29,800
in the Price Bowl. They had a five million dollar guarantee.

1118
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,280
So this year they're running it back same five million.

1119
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,760
So in twenty twenty two they had eleven hundred dollars

1120
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,159
buying for this two million dollar guarantee. Smashed it. They

1121
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:43,360
got five four hundred and thirty right just to shy

1122
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,559
have a five point three million dollar Price Bowl. Then

1123
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,840
they up it to five million dollars. They get ten thousand,

1124
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,920
five hundred entries in the damn thing. Calvin Anderson wins.

1125
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,440
It's one hundred ninety six thousand dollars in the Prize Bowl.

1126
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,000
I think that So part of part of me saying

1127
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,960
that like not or this is like bigger industry to

1128
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,400
me is that I feel like this can take away

1129
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,519
from the fact that you're not having a guarantee on

1130
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,960
the WPT World Championship ten K and then also like

1131
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,199
this goes into the the idea of just catering to

1132
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,039
like that smaller buy in player. So you know, I

1133
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,840
think you really could have pushed the envelope if you

1134
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,880
really wanted toun down an eleven hundred and fifty million

1135
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,360
dollar guarantee and just gone for it. I mean, again,

1136
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,440
I don't know the space issues, you know, but they

1137
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:34,360
did say last year that you know, once they actually

1138
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,199
get into the series, get into the ballroom, they're going

1139
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:37,440
to have more ballroom space.

1140
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, seven point five million, that's what you need.

1141
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I just would have done ten. And so

1142
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,280
the hell with it, let's go.

1143
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,639
Speaker 2: I mean's let's speak of somebody. Seven point five.

1144
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: That's it's still considered. They got that last year.

1145
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,079
Speaker 2: They can but like you don't want to they could.

1146
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: Get that again. Come on, man, they could do that

1147
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:56,480
back end of the schedule. Last year they had a

1148
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:00,280
three thousand dollars buying three million dollar guarantee and six

1149
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,760
hundred dollars buying two million dollar guarantee, both just straight

1150
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,159
Nolman HoldEm tournaments this year the three K three million

1151
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:10,559
dollar returns, but the sixteen hundred dollars buying one looks

1152
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:13,119
like it's been changed to be a sixteen hundred dollars

1153
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,760
mystery bounty event, and instead of having that two million

1154
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,400
dollar prize school, it's gonna have a million dollar guaranteed

1155
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,400
priz schools. Those are kind of the the big picture

1156
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,679
things that I saw. There are only four events on

1157
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:29,159
this year's schedule by my count, that are above three

1158
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,320
thousand dollars, and last year I think they had eight,

1159
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,679
but they of course had the million dollar buy in

1160
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,760
one drop they had, you know, they had a fifty

1161
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,719
k stuff like that. So this year those events that

1162
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:41,920
are above three thousand dollars. Of course, the ten thousand,

1163
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,400
four hundred dollars World Championship, you do have a twenty

1164
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,559
five K Alpha eight. You have a ten thousand, five

1165
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:48,599
hundred dollars high Roller, and then you have the ten

1166
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:53,360
thousand dollars Seniors high Roller also listed on the schedule

1167
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,039
again WPT dot com.

1168
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: Well, you say, over thraight, Y're not including the three

1169
00:58:58,039 --> 00:58:58,519
K right?

1170
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,719
Speaker 1: No? No? Yeah, okay, yeah, over like that's what over three

1171
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,719
K means not including that's what I would have said

1172
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:10,280
three thousand or higher. Over first I looked at it,

1173
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,400
I was like, you know, do they have any five

1174
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,000
k's on the sk which I didn't see any.

1175
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,199
Speaker 2: Yah, So that it gives a severe lack of high.

1176
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: Rollism this well, but I think that's good. I think

1177
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,280
that's something that they did correctly with this. Is that

1178
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,119
I would have because you know what WSOP is doing

1179
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,559
at Paradise right.

1180
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: Paradise is out of it by the endpoint. That's the thing.

1181
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,519
That's why I'm saying you could put some on the

1182
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,800
back end. You could put a five K six max.

1183
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:33,639
You could put a five.

1184
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:34,519
Speaker 1: Maybe on the back end.

1185
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: Yes, not at the front.

1186
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know, is it too close because that

1187
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,599
stuff at Paradise ends the nineteenth? Is that too close

1188
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:43,920
to Christmas? I mean, that's that's like asking a lot.

1189
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,079
I feel like me like, if you're it's one thing,

1190
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,199
I know that the win series what they goes to

1191
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,280
the twenty third right or twenty second, I don't even remember,

1192
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,480
but like you're already there, right, But then like if

1193
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:58,760
you're in the Bahamas, are you then like routing yourself

1194
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,159
to Vegas and then and going wherever you're going for

1195
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:03,840
the holidays. I don't know, it feels iffy to do that,

1196
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:08,679
so I like, you know, catering to like again we

1197
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,159
said it, like do everything, like you know, have a

1198
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:13,800
bunch of like one ks to three ks, you know,

1199
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,079
or five hundred to three k's and then just have

1200
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:18,800
that ten thousand dollars World Championship stand out. So I

1201
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,920
am a little bit surprised that they have the Alpha

1202
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,199
eight even on the schedule, But it just seems like

1203
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:26,000
they don't want to ever, you know, put this horse

1204
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,480
out to pasture, Like they just want to keep the

1205
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:30,559
Alpha a brand around no matter what, for whatever reason.

1206
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,400
As a marketing person, I will always tell you that

1207
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,119
trying to grow multiple brands is extremely difficult. So just

1208
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,639
have them be wpts, Like everything should just be the

1209
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:43,119
branded WPT end of story. You'll also see on the

1210
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,480
schedules that they have a ton of satellites listed. They

1211
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:49,199
have twenty five seat guarantees. They believe they're bringing back

1212
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,199
the seventy five set guarantee. I saw that on there

1213
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:54,440
last year they had based on the guaranteed seats that

1214
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,559
I counted up two hundred and eighty seats were given

1215
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:58,960
away this year to forty. I think that's very good,

1216
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:01,239
you know, to have that number. So you know, we

1217
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:03,800
talked about it. You're gonna have that to forty at least,

1218
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,880
if not more. I think I don't even remember what

1219
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,320
the seventy five set guarantee got last year, but I.

1220
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: Think it crush it.

1221
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but again, you know, that's trying to get

1222
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:16,039
into the forty million dollar guarantee. So we'll see if

1223
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,360
that's a little bit more ambitious this year. But you know,

1224
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,519
like that seventy five set guarantee is something that like

1225
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,320
I would probably try and play, maybe you try and

1226
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,159
play again, you know, versus just diving straight into the

1227
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:27,599
ten K. I think it's gonna be interesting to see

1228
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:29,760
how it all plays out in December. I think we've

1229
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,000
said that many times. WSP has really started, like I guess,

1230
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,840
ramping up announcements of who's gonna be there. So so

1231
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,719
they're just kind of making that marketing push. I know

1232
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,719
they had the first online flight for the twenty five

1233
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,840
K fifty million dog Guarantee that Daniel Legrownie was streaming

1234
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,800
and fired three bulletin, which I feel like he could

1235
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,440
be in that thing for seven hundred and fifty thousand

1236
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,199
dollars by the end of it. I mean, who knows.

1237
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,760
So so we'll see how that goes. Obviously we're gonna

1238
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,400
we're gonna monitor everything there. But but yeah, that's that's

1239
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,000
how things are shaken out. One last question before we

1240
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:06,920
move on to talking about WPT Australia and what happened

1241
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,239
down there. Do you think that there's a chance that

1242
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,119
they announce a guarantee for the World Championship that they

1243
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,800
just they like, you know, behind closed doors, are like, listen,

1244
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,920
we we need it. Yeah, let's go, even if it's

1245
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,639
fifteen twenty. I think there's a chance. Yeah, the longer

1246
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:24,760
we wait, the you know, might be a little too light.

1247
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,400
People planning Bahamas trips, so planning ept progue instead. So

1248
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:30,719
if they do have some thoughts on that, they better

1249
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,679
get that out a sent yeah and listen again. Maybe

1250
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,639
maybe they don't need a guarantee and maybe this thing

1251
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:41,239
just still does freaking numbers. I mean, who knows what

1252
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:46,440
the poker role? Who really knows? All right, So moving

1253
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,400
on to WPT Australia, James ops, your boy, my boy

1254
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:55,400
wins WPT Australia three hundred and ninety six entries, Ops

1255
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:58,159
top them all to win five hundred and eighty five

1256
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:03,199
thousand Australian dollars. How much is that in US? Without looking?

1257
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,239
Without looking, you're supposed to know that two hundred and

1258
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:08,079
fifty dollars to How much do you really think it is?

1259
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: Let me look at it. Five eighty five is probably

1260
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,559
three seventy.

1261
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: Three ninety eight, three hundred ninety eight thousand US dollars.

1262
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:23,199
The only currency in the world that matters that in

1263
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:25,800
sweeps coins, right, that's the only the only two currencies,

1264
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,800
only two currencies that matter. Yeah. So James opst wins

1265
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:37,599
the WPT Australia Championship. He beat Travis Enders beat Do

1266
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:38,320
you know that name?

1267
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: I know of him?

1268
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean that's a name that's unfamiliar to me.

1269
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,360
Daniel Murphy Olegg Aviachenko got fourth. Matthew Wakeman I know

1270
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,880
that that. I've covered him before. Eighth place is interesting.

1271
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:54,800
I guess this guy's just a stud. Now, Malcolm Trainor

1272
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,239
the best I mean comes with Actually he won the

1273
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,039
million million dollar bounty. He didn't get massive bounties, but

1274
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:02,280
he won the million dollar first place for.

1275
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: All the small ones at the found Table.

1276
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:07,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he finishes in eighth place here for

1277
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:13,440
seventy one thousand Aussie forty eight thousand us D. Pretty

1278
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,800
good turnout. I would think.

1279
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: Poka's back in Australia.

1280
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's like part of my thing with this.

1281
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,719
The winner's photo of James Ops has Van Marcus in it.

1282
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: And Billy the Croc got the legends.

1283
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,599
Speaker 1: I fucking miss Australia, man, I mean this took place.

1284
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:35,119
Where was this event Sydney? Wasn't it saus City or no?

1285
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,320
No Queen's I mean you tell me.

1286
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: I wasn't making that much attention to idly watched the

1287
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,840
final table star Gold Coast, Yeah, Gold Coast. That's why

1288
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,679
we went for the British for the Australian program.

1289
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,519
Speaker 1: But I didn't go there.

1290
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: That was before it really really nice property.

1291
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean all the like people sharing on social media

1292
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,400
that I saw of this, it looks amazing. I think

1293
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,840
we know a lot of people that like went there.

1294
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,679
They were you know, skipped skipping pokem at w. I mean, honestly,

1295
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,400
it's hard to skip out on a trip to Australia,

1296
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,639
So I get it. Yeah, maybe we see Poker coming

1297
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:09,800
back more and more and more in Australia. I think

1298
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,840
it's obviously a very good thing the poker tour is

1299
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,800
down there. Would love to possibly in the future. I

1300
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,800
have no idea when see the return of Ozzie Millions,

1301
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,280
but I don't know if that's ever going to happen,

1302
01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:21,800
you know, so who knows. But good on James Opst.

1303
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,239
You know he took that a couple of years away

1304
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,159
to try and become a professional tennis player or whatever

1305
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:27,480
the heck.

1306
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: He was doing.

1307
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,599
Speaker 1: But he's back and you know he's clearly still one

1308
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:32,920
of the best.

1309
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: You winny second race of this year too, right, I.

1310
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,599
Speaker 1: Can't even remember, right, I can't. It's funny the w

1311
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:41,960
city comes. It always comes like sooner than you expect,

1312
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:45,360
and then it always goes faster than you expect. And

1313
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,920
then it's always like way in the rear view, much

1314
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:48,760
faster than you expect.

1315
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 2: Like it it seems like it was six months ago.

1316
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:51,239
It feels like it was.

1317
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:54,199
Speaker 1: Sixty years ago. I mean, it's just it's just how

1318
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:56,920
it is. So that was WPT Australia. James Off. Shout

1319
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,639
out to him, Go to Andy McLeod. Hopefully you get

1320
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:01,119
that reference.

1321
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: Do you know who Andy McLeod played for the real

1322
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,119
Andy McLeod. No, that Lake Cruise.

1323
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so there's that's and then we shift

1324
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:18,519
things over to the WSP online, the international version taking

1325
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:25,440
place on GGI Poker. Morris Dietrich, sure, hopefully I probably

1326
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,000
pushed that in some way shape or form, wins the

1327
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:33,360
WSP online main event. So this thing had seventeen in

1328
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:40,119
science six and forty six entries, Ditrich one four million,

1329
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:43,760
twenty one thousand dollars. I mean, what in the f

1330
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,519
and world there were two So kind of similar to

1331
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,840
the WSP main event from Las Vegas, where you had

1332
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,559
Jonathan Tomaia winning, but all the talk afterwards was like

1333
01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:59,280
laptop gate. Here you had Ditrich winning, but all the

1334
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,519
talk out of it. These two insane bad beats that

1335
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:04,440
happened at the final table. The first one was during

1336
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,039
four handed play, when you have Genny Akimov cracked Isaac

1337
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:11,360
Barron's kings with six or four off. Achamov had the

1338
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,079
big Chipley at the time, just ripped in with six

1339
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:16,679
to four off. Baron actually flopped top set with his kings,

1340
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,000
but Okamov was able to run down a straight that

1341
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:21,840
busted out Baron in fourth place.

1342
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:23,519
Speaker 2: I think he was a turned off fluster.

1343
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,519
Speaker 1: He did turn, he did turn a flush draw, I mean,

1344
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:28,559
but still it's it's pretty sick. So Baron goes out

1345
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:30,840
in fourth place for one point eight million dollars, and

1346
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,679
then Achamov again, this time three handed play. He beats

1347
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,760
Ruy Ferrara's ace king was six four. Ferrera flops top

1348
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,239
two pair but runner runner flush for Okamov again with

1349
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,719
the six four following six four. So six four if

1350
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,840
you're if you're playing in the GG poker streets, six

1351
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,760
floor is just you know, it breaks everything and you

1352
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,159
can you can just win every hand with it.

1353
01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: That's you know. I remember back in the day he

1354
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,760
used to say, like I think it was pucking nines

1355
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:55,880
was like the stars nuts.

1356
01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:00,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, the GG nuts. And then so Ruy

1357
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:02,440
Ferrera goes out in third place for just a under

1358
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,159
two point four million dollars, and then Okamov his heads

1359
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:07,880
up with Ditrich. Okamoa has the chip ley, but Dietrich

1360
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,559
ends up coming out on top. Achamov takes three point

1361
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:14,760
one million dollars for his finish. Also at the final table,

1362
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:20,279
Benjamin Rolli in eighth place. Ben CB as he's often

1363
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,039
known in the social media streets, six hundred and fifty

1364
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:27,199
thousand dollars for him. This episode of the Poker Gol

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WSP online main event that took place on gg Poker

1374
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,199
was part of a series that had thirty three gold

1375
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,840
bracelet events, so we are up to who knows how

1376
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,600
many racelet events have been given out this year. Just

1377
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,600
some highlights from the series. Not going to go through

1378
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,439
every single winner, but even number two was a three

1379
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,800
hundred dollars Gladiators. It had eleven thousand, six hundred and

1380
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,560
thirty entries. Rit Varz s Collins won it for four

1381
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,079
hundred and nine thousand dollars. Bryn Kenny got his second

1382
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:24,880
gold brace, so that when he won a ven number

1383
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,399
three the twenty one hundred dollars bounty. There was a

1384
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,520
lot of bounties on here, and if you look at

1385
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,279
WSP dot com for several of the events, first and

1386
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,159
second place are the same because they don't include the

1387
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,039
obviously the bounty money. So I just think that's kind

1388
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:41,239
of interesting for historical purposes. Ven number seven was a

1389
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,600
two hundred and fifty dollars buying mystery millions that had

1390
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:49,239
fifty two thousand, four hundred and fifty two entries. God

1391
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:53,079
Damn Vlad Darier won it for six hundred and twenty

1392
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:55,640
three thousand dollars. There was a million dollar top bounty

1393
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,319
in this thing. I don't know who won it, but

1394
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,640
it happened Dennis Wallaz Number seventeen, the fifteen hundred dollars

1395
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,079
Millionaire Maker for one million, two hundred and eighty seven

1396
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:07,079
thousand dollars. This had four thousand, nine hundred and thirty

1397
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,760
four entries. There was a four hundred dollars colossus on

1398
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,159
the schedule. It drew thirteen thousand, one hundred and forty

1399
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:17,199
seven entries. Igor Zemstaff won it for six hundred and

1400
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:21,800
thirty thousand dollars. Garofolo Francesco won the twenty five k

1401
01:10:22,039 --> 01:10:26,439
GG Millions Super high Roller for one point one million.

1402
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,039
It had two hundred and thirty entries. Bryn Kenny, You're sorry.

1403
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:31,640
Chris Brewer finished in a second place where eight round

1404
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,840
and sixty five K Brin Kenny got third for six

1405
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,520
hundred and sixty seven K. Patrick Leonard fourth, Dimitar Dante fifth,

1406
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,800
Adrian Matteo sixth, Roman Hrabec seventh, and Ole Chemion took

1407
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,560
eighth place. Simon Eric Matson won event number thirty the

1408
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,199
twenty one hundred dollars six Max Bounty had twelve hundred

1409
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:53,199
and thirty entries, his second gold bracelet. He won the

1410
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:56,199
gg Poker WSOP Online main event in twenty twenty two

1411
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,880
for Jeshi two point eight million dollars and then a

1412
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:04,680
bit of redemption for Ruy Ferrara. After that that crazy

1413
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,279
bust out in the main event in third place again

1414
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:11,279
when his ace king was beaten by Achamov's six '

1415
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:14,680
four Despite for a flopping top two pair, Frera goes

1416
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,079
on to win the five K Polo, which was event

1417
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:19,439
number thirty one for two hundred and forty five K

1418
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,640
Ilis Parsonen got second four one hundred and eighty two

1419
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,840
thousand dollars, continuing to prove just how good he is

1420
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,239
at PLO is the fin He also got fourth in

1421
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:32,239
the ten K PLO for one hundred and twenty nine

1422
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:36,039
thousand dollars, and then Sergio Ado topped off the series

1423
01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:38,640
event number thirty three, the ten thousand three dollars GGI

1424
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,479
Millions high Roller one four hundred and thirty three entries.

1425
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,840
Aido won one point nine three five million dollars his

1426
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,000
second bracelet. He won the fifty K during the summer

1427
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:57,079
in Las Vegas. So that is WSP online. So I

1428
01:11:57,119 --> 01:11:59,119
have a little bit of a gripe here, a little

1429
01:11:59,119 --> 01:12:02,159
bit of a complaint, okay, And I don't really know

1430
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,039
event No, I don't really know who to direct it towards.

1431
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,560
I guess I would direct it towards some media companies.

1432
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,359
I guess I would direct it towards the operators. It

1433
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,720
feels next to impossible to find out the results of

1434
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,239
all this sort of stuff. W coop just wrapped up

1435
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,800
like it's just so hard, it's so like it's complicated.

1436
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:25,560
I was I had a really good friend of mine

1437
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,199
was deep in this ws AP Online Main Event. I

1438
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:33,159
think he took eleventh place. Couldn't sweat it? Like I can't.

1439
01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:36,520
I can down. Are you trying to start live reporting anything?

1440
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,840
Like I can I can't down. I can download the

1441
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,760
client here, but when I when I go in, I

1442
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,000
need to create an account to like actually see the

1443
01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:46,680
players and stuff and like open a table, and I

1444
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,359
can't create an account, So like why like why isn't

1445
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:53,199
there Like this is the w AP Main Event online,

1446
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,079
there's more than four million dollars out topic. Why aren't

1447
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:59,840
we just like bringing out Jeff Gross doing multiple days

1448
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:00,640
of live streaming.

1449
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean there was some live streaming.

1450
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah for the final table. Yeah, that's what I mean.

1451
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,079
Speaker 2: Like you want most stuff, Yeah, I get it.

1452
01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 1: And like w coop, it's just like it's impossible to

1453
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,800
like try and find this stuff. And I know w

1454
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,920
CUP obviously had some some streams that they were doing,

1455
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,720
but like still, like the live reporting that was done

1456
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,720
on Poker News wasn't that good. Like there's just not

1457
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,000
a lot of articles that are out there after the fact,

1458
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,880
like announcing like who won. Like it's just not I

1459
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,760
think I miss you know what I miss? I miss

1460
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,560
pocket fives dot Com that's what I missed who focused

1461
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,880
on the online stuff and was on top of it

1462
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,920
at all times to spring it back. I mean it

1463
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,840
has changed to poker steak dot com, but like it's

1464
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,199
just it's hard, like even now, like you go on

1465
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:42,399
you go on WSP dot com, like they're running they're

1466
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,439
running bracelet events right now here in the US, Like

1467
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:49,439
I have no idea who won the events. There have

1468
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,920
been three or four of them so far, Like I

1469
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,359
want to know, I want to know what's happening multiple positives.

1470
01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:59,439
They just had a circuit series on WSP dot com.

1471
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,119
I mean, I don't even know when that happened last month,

1472
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,039
like a long time ago. They only have results for

1473
01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:07,600
the first seven events, like I mean results.

1474
01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 2: Well, the two parts of this. Firstly, you were talking

1475
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,079
about the updates, the recap articles. You know, maybe the

1476
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:17,560
media outlets out there, poker News, cord players, cetera. Don't

1477
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,920
see value in them. The second part is.

1478
01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: Okay, we have my my my. My debate to that

1479
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,880
is poker Stars has a Poker Stars blog, Like there's

1480
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,560
there's streaming, there's this like.

1481
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 2: This Pocusar is a little different, but the.

1482
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,399
Speaker 1: Streaming is where I think it should go because that

1483
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,279
feels very easy lift when it's an online thing, like

1484
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:39,239
you're just you have an overlay, you have one commentator,

1485
01:14:39,279 --> 01:14:40,119
like you know, like.

1486
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: I think out there, let's go. The easiest thing to do. Sure,

1487
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:46,399
just like John Smith wins event three of them.

1488
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: Is putting it on social media, like let's like a tweet.

1489
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 2: The other problem is, you know, we're being told from

1490
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,680
people that care about the results or need the results,

1491
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,520
such as handing the mob et cetera. It's hard to

1492
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,199
get some of these results from gig so they and

1493
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:02,800
don't get them at all, and they.

1494
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 1: Gg don't you want like don't you want it?

1495
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 2: Someone that is the operator, whether it's gg slash WSP

1496
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,399
dot com being more proactive about a sending the results,

1497
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,399
b leaving the results in the client on WSP dot com.

1498
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,159
And third, do they want promotion of this? Do they want?

1499
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:23,560
Like they want promotion of the WSP live here in

1500
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,439
Vegas and Bahamas and Europe. But why they why they

1501
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:28,680
wouldn't care as much about on them?

1502
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: Let me let me say something that I probably should

1503
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,560
have said at the start in this little rant here,

1504
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,039
is that maybe I'm just a complete big oaf and

1505
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:38,159
I'm missing it, But I feel like I'm as tapped

1506
01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:41,439
into the industry as everyone and like in like the

1507
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,760
last couple of days of like w coop and stuff,

1508
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,319
like I would go on to Poker News, I would

1509
01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:46,920
go on to poker steak dot com because I know

1510
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,119
they write articles. I would like try and search on

1511
01:15:49,119 --> 01:15:51,439
social media. I would try and go to the Poker

1512
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,680
Stars blog but didn't find anything. And sometimes I can't

1513
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,279
even go to the Poker Star's website because it tells

1514
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:56,760
me it's not in my area. And I'm like, it's

1515
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,680
just a website, Like what are we doing here? And

1516
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,279
like it just like why why aren't I Like I

1517
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:05,119
can say the WPT is not doing the right thing,

1518
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:07,960
not having a guarantee. I have non stop seeing this

1519
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:10,760
club WPT goal free role. It is in my face.

1520
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,199
I have to like shut my computer to not see it. Yeah,

1521
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,199
Like that is what I would expect from this sort

1522
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:18,800
of stuff, right, Like it's it's the super Bowl, it's

1523
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,720
the World Series in baseball, it's whatever it is, and

1524
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,600
it's in your face, in your face, in your face.

1525
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,960
Why isn't this in my face? Right? Like I want

1526
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,279
to follow this stuff and I want to know about it.

1527
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,079
And I want to see who won and who had

1528
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:33,800
big results and all this sort of stuff, but I

1529
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,199
can never I can never find it. And it's just,

1530
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,079
you know, I feel like pocketfives dot com was like

1531
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:45,159
the one place that they obviously prioritized all the online stuff,

1532
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:46,920
like you know, sometimes they would, you know, in the

1533
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,520
old days, they would go out to the World Series

1534
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,560
of Poker and only cover the online guys and all

1535
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,840
their leaderboards and all this sort of stuff. And I

1536
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,920
don't know, I missed that. But I also wish that

1537
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,000
there was just more coverage in general about the online stuff,

1538
01:16:58,199 --> 01:17:01,239
you know, Like I just I feel like it's it's lacking,

1539
01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:03,800
and it's it's hard because I want, I want to

1540
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,159
follow this stuff. I do, like I want to know

1541
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:09,840
what happened, who won, like you know. So yeah, anyway,

1542
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,119
that's my little, my little complaint there.

1543
01:17:12,119 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 2: Pocket sixes dot com is available Pocket.

1544
01:17:14,199 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: Sixes dot com. Pocket six I mean, I do think

1545
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,479
that it is an opening in the space, you know, if.

1546
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 2: If you need to be based in Europe.

1547
01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:25,359
Speaker 1: No you don't, I've thought about this. If you I'm

1548
01:17:25,399 --> 01:17:27,119
not going to give out to all my secrets on

1549
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:29,119
this podcast, but I have I have the whole plan

1550
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:30,439
mapped out in my head, and you do not need to.

1551
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: We need to highest someone base in Europe.

1552
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 1: Shut up with the plan, Okay, do not be giving

1553
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:35,079
this out.

1554
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 2: To people who's gonna take it.

1555
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,079
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a lot of good ideas, Okay,

1556
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,199
I just need to like execute them, you know what,

1557
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,039
shameless plug. I got a bunch of events listed on

1558
01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:49,439
poker steak dot com. Go find them by action. Why not, right,

1559
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,039
I'm gonna be at an apt Las Vegas. I don't

1560
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:52,600
know if you are.

1561
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:53,239
Speaker 2: I'm playing.

1562
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: I think you should be. There's a bunch of mixed

1563
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:55,359
game stuff on.

1564
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 2: The play mixed games. I'll resigned. I'm not good enough.

1565
01:17:58,119 --> 01:17:59,840
I'll play cash game. That's it. I'm gonna play the

1566
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,640
cash game. Robby has a cash game festival, going to

1567
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:01,920
play some.

1568
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,279
Speaker 1: He is bringing his quote unquote mixed game festival to

1569
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,000
Resorts World, and then I think the the mixed game

1570
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:11,840
events on a present at the schedule are presented by

1571
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,760
card Lifestyle. So good for Robbie there.

1572
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,520
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna play the cash games, donate a few bucks,

1573
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,840
try and win a few bucks. We'll say I'm probably

1574
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,640
going to fire the nap t Cup, and.

1575
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,159
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, probably yet on the

1576
01:18:26,199 --> 01:18:30,800
Poker Masters streams REMCO, every time we promoted an APT

1577
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,640
Las Vegas, he said he was going to come play

1578
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,840
the Mystery Bout zero. Do you really think he's gonna

1579
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:38,399
I hope he does.

1580
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 2: When was the last time he played a poker.

1581
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,119
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he needs to come play. And

1582
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:42,720
the Mystery Valain is perfect because like you can just

1583
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,760
get lucky in whatever. He's not coming, but that's that

1584
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,159
would be a good one to play too, to kick

1585
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:52,600
things off. That one an APT Cup, I think playing

1586
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,800
on playing the they have a run Good Open in

1587
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:56,920
partnership with Run Good.

1588
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,159
Speaker 2: How much is that eleven too much?

1589
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a two day event. Think it has

1590
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,359
two flights on the first day, Okay, first one is

1591
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:06,680
regular second later once when they do that, Yeah, and

1592
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,560
then obviously day two I'm gonna play the main event,

1593
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,000
which I think is gonna be I think it's gonna

1594
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:13,560
be really big.

1595
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, good price point fifty.

1596
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: Three price point three million dollar guarantee. So there's that,

1597
01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:21,399
and then that NPT Cup five hundred fifty dollars buy

1598
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,520
and I think it's three hundred k guaranteed in that one,

1599
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,319
so I'll be firing in that one. And then all

1600
01:19:25,359 --> 01:19:27,359
three of those events of mine are on poker stake

1601
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:28,960
dot com. You can find them as well as I'm

1602
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,479
playing on bracelet events. But you got those listed, Yeah,

1603
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,439
I do actually have those listed. I'm only going to

1604
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,840
play I think, on Sundays. But it's really interesting because

1605
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,079
they have all these bracelet events, but they're they're not

1606
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:46,399
every day, okay, so like they take some days off,

1607
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,600
like they took them Monday off, which is kind of acceptable,

1608
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:49,920
but you know, because Monday is just not a big

1609
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,199
day and all in poker, and then they have one

1610
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:53,560
on Tuesday. I don't think they had one on Wednesday whatever.

1611
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:58,439
But then they also have these online championships which they

1612
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:04,000
announced on social media. Yet you can't like find the

1613
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:07,439
schedule anywhere other than the client. So I think that

1614
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,039
that's weird. Even Daniel mcgrondniy like commented.

1615
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:10,319
Speaker 2: On all that.

1616
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,520
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, guys, like you might can you

1617
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,680
put the schedule like somewhere on you know, wisip dot com.

1618
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,279
I mean maybe it's on there now, let me check.

1619
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,039
Speaker 2: Woy you have the ninth Oh no, you have the.

1620
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: Don't say my name.

1621
01:20:23,399 --> 01:20:26,319
Speaker 2: Don't say your name. I'm saying you're the eighth featured

1622
01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:29,560
player on Focusing dot com. I've on the list. I'm

1623
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:30,199
just telling anything.

1624
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: I post a lot of stuff on there. I think

1625
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:33,600
it's a great platform for that sort of stuff.

1626
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,520
Speaker 2: Okay, they finally this photo.

1627
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:38,399
Speaker 1: It's a great foot It's.

1628
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:39,159
Speaker 2: Terrible they did.

1629
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:42,039
Speaker 1: They did. Uh, they did post the online championships finally

1630
01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:43,760
on a dot com.

1631
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 2: But it shouldn't be up to as to ask for it.

1632
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,600
Should just that should be the first thing you think about.

1633
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: And even even the online bracelets. I mean they they

1634
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,800
announced them like nine days beforehand, Like I mean I

1635
01:20:56,039 --> 01:20:59,119
know that, Like they're obviously geared towards the states where

1636
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:01,279
you can play on dot com. But maybe for a

1637
01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:03,319
big series like that, you get some people that say, hey,

1638
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,560
you know, I'll come from Colorado and come come getting

1639
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,199
Airbnb and just play online. Like maybe maybe you do

1640
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:11,680
something like that. Right. I took third in one of

1641
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,000
the online championship events. Just want to point that out.

1642
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:17,199
Jeff Platt one one wow. He won the I believe

1643
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:19,319
was the five hundred dollars mystery bounty that they had

1644
01:21:19,399 --> 01:21:22,800
for fourteen k or something like that. So shout out,

1645
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:23,640
Jeff flat what do.

1646
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,279
Speaker 2: You have a trophy event.

1647
01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:31,039
Speaker 1: So you you compete for like some sort of championship belt.

1648
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,840
I'm assuming that like it has a leader board. I

1649
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,720
mean there's a crap ton of events. I mean it's

1650
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,199
like every day, there's like every day, I think there's

1651
01:21:39,239 --> 01:21:41,920
a warm up event like in the like morning or

1652
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:43,960
early afternoon, which is like a very small buy in,

1653
01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:46,119
and then I actually like what they've done here is

1654
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:49,399
that they do every day they have a bronze, silver,

1655
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,399
and gold level, so like bronze is obviously the lowest

1656
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:57,000
buying Like yeah, so I think that that's that's pretty cool.

1657
01:21:57,039 --> 01:21:58,880
So like you know, like like on the day that

1658
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,680
when Jeff won the Mystery Bounty, you know, they had

1659
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,760
a thirty three, a one hundred, and a five hundred,

1660
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,239
which I think that that's a good way to do stuff.

1661
01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:09,600
So so yeah, so they have that. I mean, it's

1662
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,119
it's actually funny. So they announced the twenty twenty four

1663
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:17,800
Doubasip online, world's largest online poker festival. Okay, that takes

1664
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:22,720
place September twenty ninth through November twelfth. It is thirty

1665
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,800
three bracelet events. I mean, it's a Ton. I mean

1666
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,800
this is also if you pair this with if you're

1667
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,720
coming out for NPG Las Vegas, there's a lot of

1668
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,840
bracelet events happening, so you can play online too, so

1669
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,079
it's kind of a good time to be in Las

1670
01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:37,800
Vegas for that. But then also they have these online

1671
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,359
championships that are running from September twenty ninth through October

1672
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:47,239
twenty seventh. Then they have aubas AP Online Super Circuit

1673
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,079
that is running October fifth through twenty second, so all

1674
01:22:51,159 --> 01:22:54,159
three these same things are happening at the same time.

1675
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,399
So so yeah, it's a lot of stuff happening. A

1676
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,920
lot of stuff happening. The upgrade to the WSP platform

1677
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,640
is god, it's such a blessing.

1678
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1679
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: I mean there's probably one or two things that might

1680
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,840
need to be improved a little bit, but overall, I mean, god,

1681
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,199
it's thank god they did it. Thank God they did it.

1682
01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:16,279
It's it's awesome. And the player pools have been good

1683
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:19,399
obviously with the inclusion of Michigan, so it's good to see.

1684
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,600
And then I saw I was reading something on I

1685
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:26,239
think Poker Fuse or maybe Poker Industry Pro, I can't remember.

1686
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,560
They said that they anticipate. Oh I saw. I went

1687
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:33,000
to the site and I saw a banner for betmjam

1688
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:36,439
Nevada like they had they had doubsip dot com Nevada Review,

1689
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,560
but then right next to it they had betemgam Nevada Review.

1690
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,760
And I was like, that's weird. Benem Jam's not in Nevada.

1691
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,880
And I clicked it and it was like, we anticipated

1692
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,479
to launch this year.

1693
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,279
Speaker 2: So I was like twenty four.

1694
01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it said this year if not said

1695
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,199
twenty twenty five. But I mean, I just I thought

1696
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:54,880
that that was interesting, right, I mean, it's October, so

1697
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,560
that would mean yeah, here betmgam Poker Nevada review. Let

1698
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,800
me click on it. I'm on poker. We predict that

1699
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,279
bet mgm will launch its online poke room in Nevada

1700
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:06,520
at some point this year. Is the first sentence.

1701
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: That's the way being pokefuser.

1702
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the poker Fuse people are extremely tapped in

1703
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,239
and they generally know it. Goes on to say the

1704
01:24:16,279 --> 01:24:19,560
operator holds the necessary license from the Nevada Gaming Control Board,

1705
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,239
and everything looks in line for it to become the

1706
01:24:22,279 --> 01:24:26,039
first online poker operator to join w SOP dot com

1707
01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:29,000
in the state. Well, isn't that incorrect? Because Ultimate Poker

1708
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,720
was in the state, and I think South Point didn't.

1709
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,479
They have some weird thing that lasted like a week

1710
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,800
or a month or something. I'm pretty sure they did

1711
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,800
south Point and there was like three people that played.

1712
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:41,479
By the way, you brought up the four and allar

1713
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,239
tournament at South Point, which I think is now gone.

1714
01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:45,880
I think what I'm pretty sure that it lasted one

1715
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:50,439
time because I didn't play a bit, I know, but

1716
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,279
I'm saying they had that. I think the four and

1717
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:54,680
doll price point is too high. I think it needs

1718
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,279
to be three hundred. Do they have a two in

1719
01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:56,960
dollar tournament?

1720
01:24:57,039 --> 01:24:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? If the Friday Saturday is not two hundred.

1721
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I think I think the Sunday one should be.

1722
01:25:02,079 --> 01:25:03,520
If they have a big one on Sunday, should be

1723
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,560
three hundred. That would be my thing. But anyway, we're

1724
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,479
just talking about a bunch of nonsense now and it's

1725
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,960
been way too long. That's gonna do it for this

1726
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:16,239
episode unless you have anything else, No, sir, Big month

1727
01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:20,279
of Poker on Poker Go in October. We have the

1728
01:25:20,319 --> 01:25:23,119
PLO series which is coming up, and then we have

1729
01:25:23,239 --> 01:25:25,760
Super high Rollable PLO of course, High six Poker and

1730
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,880
now Gamble in the Future are running. We have next

1731
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,960
month the Texas PLO Roundup, which I know Tim is

1732
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:37,880
freaking pumped for. I didn't know the guy cared.

1733
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,359
Speaker 2: About PLO, Like everyone loves it.

1734
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: You are like the I know you're the PGT Commissioner,

1735
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,479
but you're also like the PLO commissioner, just with how

1736
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,760
much like you've like this the PGT PLO series, like

1737
01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:52,560
doing the series down in Texas, Like you know all

1738
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,760
these guys coming this month, they'll fucking love you, like

1739
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,239
what you're doing for like that specific game, you know

1740
01:25:57,239 --> 01:25:59,279
what I mean. Like you are like the de facto

1741
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,000
ploer and a lot.

1742
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: Ever play it.

1743
01:26:02,039 --> 01:26:04,199
Speaker 1: Do you think the Do you think the the PLO

1744
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:08,000
series is gonna be big or like some pullback or.

1745
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 2: No, I think it'll be good. It's it's hard to

1746
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,840
all the guys all the ill I have to assume

1747
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,800
they're all coming. But until I see people walk in,

1748
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:17,720
that first event is always when I know we're going

1749
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,159
to be big. But we'll see. There's no distractions this year,

1750
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:22,319
there's no splits of the schedule. The the sup By

1751
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:25,520
roller Ball falls after and I think that's good. All

1752
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,279
the big stuff around town is not happening, so I'm

1753
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:32,319
bullish on it as always. It's plo. It's gonna get

1754
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,560
people to come from all around the country and we'll

1755
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:36,119
be good.

1756
01:26:36,279 --> 01:26:38,159
Speaker 1: Sweet all right, Well that's gonna be for us. My

1757
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:40,720
name is Donny Peters, his name is Tim Duckworth. Hit

1758
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,840
that like, hit that, subscribe, do the damn thing. You

1759
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,000
guys know how to help us grow and we appreciate it.

1760
01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:48,199
And again, if you're at any BT Las Vegas in

1761
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:50,760
early November, comes say hi to Tim and I. We'll

1762
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,239
be there for a few days. Talk to you guys later.

1763
01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 2: So you