Speaker 1: Made a saint.
Speaker 2: John pays Sunny sad On, I hadasion night.
Speaker 1: So what's happening everybody? What's she? What's shaken? What's going on?
What's going down? Let's say hi to our friends real fast, Okay,
real fast? All right? Jacob is Growley, Sandra, it's not
easy being green, but you do it. Jennifer get up.
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got again? Yeh yeah, Leslie, we've has been our was
one of our very very first patreons and never since
never she's never contacted us, but she pays because her
credit card like obviously it would have expired, so she knows.
I know, she listens. She's just very quiet. Yeah, I
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on mounte Yeah. Kelly Brandt, she will gass up her
van Rebecca to a Brandish all killed. He's so hot
hot Dad, Dolph, Missy and Gabby. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well they're still rounding up potential clients for us. Yes,
what are we gonna call that?
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and debate prep prep.
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the Moulder, Valerie, Bubba fenwickkets out of the park, Polly,
we love your pancakes. Rita, you got a basinette and
it's full of Elizabeth Williamson's brand new babies that she
just got. Nikki, you call your girl. Katie's rolling on
the e Kelly and Dick is frolicking. Dick is still
frollicking of him. Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, it's Friday. It's Friday.
Speaker 2: Did you see did you hear about that mom? Remember
the mom that drove her kids into the lake years ago?
Speaker 1: Susan Susan Smith, Yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 2: Uh there's this like documentary out where like there's all
these phone calls, prison phone calls. She hasn't been a
very good model citizen apparently, what she's like having sex
with like guards.
Speaker 1: Yeah m hm. And then she.
Speaker 2: Has like all these boyfriends and stuff. I forgot where
I saw this documentary. It was like there's like jailhouse
phone calls because it's coming up on her thirty five
years of I think it was on Nightline, thirty five
years of being in jail, and now I guess she's
she can be up for parole and she keeps, she keeps.
I think she's been up maybe once or twice now
and she just came up recently. She got denied, surprise, surprise.
Speaker 1: But because of this behavior. Yeah, I think a lot.
Speaker 2: Of that has to do with Yeah, yeah, because remember too,
it was it was pretty bad.
Speaker 1: She drove her kids into the lake and then blamed
it on black guys. Yeah remember the car jack.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And she kept that story going for like
a week or something like that, right, Yeah, But it
turned out that she just was like having an affair
with some guy that didn't want to didn't want to
have kids, right, And then she said that she was
gonna she was she was going to commit suicide with
the kids, but just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: So instead she rolled the car into the lake. Right.
Speaker 2: And there was video they put in her trial. They
put they recreated the car going into the lake, and
they they rigged the car with cameras and they put
a camera in the back seat to show you what
it's morbid, but to show you what what what the
kids were seeing when they were drowning. Yeah, yeah, it
was awful. I didn't know that they did that. Yeah,
they just this whole like rethink thing about her special
on her recently. Could you imagine having to be a
juror in a trial like that now as a as
a parent? No, I mean obviously even if you weren't
a parent, but I mean, you know, I just imagine
being a mom of young kids. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
And I would think that the defense attorneys would not
want those people on the jury.
Speaker 1: Right, But don't don't people end up on a jury
that you don't want sometimes anyway, because you run out
of the jury pool is small, Well, you run out
of what do you call it? What do you call it?
When you get to say no to a jury, to
a jury mass? Yeah, you know, you you have like
a certain amount of ones that you can block right
from being but I think you run out of those,
and then you have to have a really good reason.
Well you think about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody, even if you didn't have little kids
at the time, I'm sure there's a lot of parents
on the jury, you know, some older woman.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have kids.
Speaker 2: If you've had kids, even if yeah, you're right, even
if you don't have kids.
Speaker 1: I just it would be I don't know, remember when
Mark Garret goes when we had him on our show,
and I was really obsessed at that time with that
hot car dad. Oh yeah, hot car Dad. Yeah, Justin whatever,
who I believe was guilty of leaving his kid. So
the guy look up google hot car Dad because the
name was Justin. I think it was Justin. I'm pretty sure.
I just picture him.
Speaker 3: And Ross Harris, Yes.
Speaker 1: Justin Ross Harris. He was so gross. So remember he.
Speaker 3: Left Father's Day of this year.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is timely, timely, Yeah, timely episode bringing
him up. Yeah, so he was convicted.
Speaker 2: The story, very briefly was that he he didn't go
take his kid to daycare, so it seemed like it
was a mistake, right, But then we find out that
he'd been like googling all these like how long does
it take an animal to die in a hot car?
Speaker 1: And then he claims that the reason he was googling
that is because it was like his biggest fear, right right,
But he was also on all like having all these
WhatsApp conversations and he had visited a lot of people.
A lot of people will argue this point, but he
had visited a Reddit page for child Free Right people.
There was a lot of like circumstantial stuff. Yeah, wasn't
there an app to for.
Speaker 2: Like people that didn't want to be married or something
not inn Ashley Madison, but something like that, like or
didn't want to be parents?
Speaker 1: Well that was the child free child. Yes, and he'd yes,
But people argued that he wasn't that some friend of
his had showed him that, and that he was just
saying like, no, I love my kid in there, like
I did have kids. He wasn't like a proponent of
child free right. He was saying how much he loves
his kid. But the morning that that happened, he didn't
drop the kid at daycare and he went to go
get something to eat, and he was sexting with He
was sexting with like tons of women.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he was taking pictures of himself in the
bathroom and setting them out to women.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then he left his kid in the car.
And then at one point he came, he went by
and he dropped anyway, he.
Speaker 2: Put something in the car and he didn't even Yeah,
he didn't notice his kid was in the car. So
he said, yeah, he threw like light bulbs or something
he went to the store and got.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Some people maintained that, like just because he
was a bad guy does not mean he purposely Also,
he was googling. How long was any googling death? Yes,
that car? Yes, okay, yeah, But the point is that
we were discussing that case with Mark Garregs, and I
was saying that, like, I had listened to the Atlanta
It's called the Atlanta Journal Constitution, and they did the
They did a they played a lot. That podcast is
really cool because they play a lot of the trial.
They'd give you all the details of like the trial
and what the different sides are saying and what the
defense is saying, and how they picked the jury. And
Mark was like, yeah, you would be my worst case
juror like a white mom basically like, no, you could
never be on and I would get rid of you
in a heartbeat, right, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Wape implying that,
like I'm a Karen or something, that I'd be like
that guy's guilty. But I was like, no, I listened.
I listened to a whole podcast about it. I think
I know a little bit about what I'm talking about.
I think I'm making an educated judgment, right, I could
be fair, and they said I couldn't be fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, and then you got on a jury and we
were telling him about that.
Speaker 1: Remember you were telling him about that, and then.
Speaker 2: Also there was something else you were Oh, you were
talking about Oh, what's her name, Lacy Peterson?
Speaker 1: Right, and you're like, well, because he's yeah, because he
thinks Scott Peterson's innocent.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: If you want to argue that that guy didn't get
a fair trial, have at it, Like I don't, that's fine,
but like, he's not freaking innocent. Yeah, come on. I
get irritated when they're like, well, it's just circumstantial. Well, yeah,
circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and especially if you've got
a shit ton of it. Right.
Speaker 2: There's this other doc menory on Paramount called Outcry that
is a good one, and it's this story of this
kid who it's a sad story. He was in his
senior year of high school. He was a football player,
and I in Texas, you know, like in the heart
of Dallas or whatever, and he had a scholarship to
go play football in college. It was his senior year
and his parents something happened to his dad. I think
dad died and then the mom got really sick and
she was in the hospital. So he needed somebody to
take him in. And there was like a friend of
the family that took him in. But at their house,
she ran a daycare center and she had her son
living there who also played football with him. And anyway,
so he's living at this house. He's at school one
day and his friend or somebody, a sisters, somebody called
him and said, you need to come home right away.
Speaker 1: The FBI is looking for you. And he was like,
what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And they said they're one of the kids at the
preschool is saying that you molested him. This little boy
is saying you molest him. And he was like, I
think this kid was barely four. He was just turning four.
And it's it's a couple, it's like six it's like
four or five parts episode documentary and it goes it's
just all these twists and turns. But I don't want
to spoil it, but it's pretty tree. I mean, this kid,
you know, may have been guilty, may not. You have
to watch it outcry outcry what what it's on?
Speaker 1: Paramount?
Speaker 2: Oh, but I think you can see it on Hulu
or something. It used to be on Showtime, so it
was on a it was a member show now like
Showtime is I guess Paramount bought it so it was
a Showtime documentary. Okay, yeah, it's really good and it
I was like moved, like I could not believe the story.
Speaker 1: And well, if this is about a wrongful conviction, I
mean I do I do hold space for wrongful convictions
like that happened, So I would be yes, I wouldn't
want to wrongfully like it would have There'd have to
be proof. Look, I'm going to go back and say, like,
I don't know that I would convict hot car Dad's
as a bystander. I think it sure seems like yeah
it was purposeful, but I don't know if I, like
if I could convict him based on the evidence either.
So I'm not trying to say like, h like, yeah,
I would. I think that wrongful convictions happen all the time.
All the time. People make mistakes and people get it
really seems like they did something and you really have
to do I would want good evidence obviously, like OJ
you know, like he was clearly in a and you know,
and like the jurors got that right, right, If the
glove don't fit, you gotta equit. Yeah, you gotta quit.
So yeah, imagine just getting so many things just wrong.
I know, I feel I feel bad for the OJ
jurors though, Like that had to have been hard to
sit there.
Speaker 2: They were there forever, right, Yeah, they wanted to go
home to their families. Yeah, that trial lasted. I feel
like it lasted forever. I just remember being where was
I working at the time. It was always on in
the break room. Yeah, it just never ended.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the jurors.
Speaker 2: But that whole thing started off, this whole well was it, Yeah,
started off all this this chain of events could have
could have you know, affected the Menendez brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah out yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And Menendez brothers. Right, they're getting out soon. Last time
we talked, they had their court date.
Speaker 1: They had a court date, but then it was postponed.
They might have had a court date to try to
get them a real another trial, but uh, that's getting
pushed into back to like sometime I think later this month, right, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And now our breaking news has gone that we
broke about Jamie Fox and p Diddy. Now people are
talking about it. Oh they are yeah, I saw online.
There's like videos like these podcasters were talking about it
and they they brought up they say they said the
same thing.
Speaker 1: We reported on our show that he was.
Speaker 2: Doing a stand up special and he said to the
audience that he was drugged by P Didy And he
called the FBI and then went back and said, I
was just kidding, and yeah, it was reported by audience members.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So some people were saying though that he was
joking because he did it in a If he did
it in a stand up special, was he like just kidding?
So he said he was just kidding. But do you
think because he got pressured? Yes, I do. Seems obvious, right, yeah,
how do you.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, why would you kid? You know,
when people know that you hang out with P Diddy? Right,
I don't know it, just why would you kid about it?
And then this other podcast they had audio of somebody
talking like a friend of Jamie Fox talking being interviewed,
and he said he wasn't kidding. He said that there's
there's truth to that statement.
Speaker 3: So we'll have to wait for the special to come out, right,
Maybe it's just maybe he's just hyping up his special
a little bit. You know, talking about that's true?
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think they edited they would edit that
out of the special?
Speaker 3: Though? I don't. I mean, I guess depends on how
true it is and how long ago did.
Speaker 1: He record this special, because like how long does that?
Speaker 3: And like what kind of special is it? Like it's
a comedy special and Jamie Fowx is very funny, but
he doesn't seem like a straight stand up comedian, right,
it's more like a kind of you know, I don't know.
There's there's specials that you can do where it's a
lot of like talking stories too. So at this point,
if they didn't put it in the special, he would
have to like come out and say whether or not
he said it originally in one of the tapings, and
like if it's true or not, I feel like special
come out and there's no mention of it. Everybody'd be
like what the fuck? Dude?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I feel like it sounds pretty true. Yeah.
I went to like four freak offs he did he
freak offs and I did see stuff like that happens,
did you. Yeah? I did never stay that long. I'm older,
so I got I would get tired, you know, you
know when you go to a freak off and you're
like this it seems more fun than it ends up being. Yeah,
you get you get hyped. Like during the day, you're like,
I'm gonna have a cup of coffee in the afternoon
because I know it's gonna be a late night. You
gotta pace yourself right, get the dog walked, you know,
get it, get prepared because you're like, no, I'm really
gonna stay up and I'm going to enjoy myself with
this freak of I don't know a lot of people,
am I gonna know? A ton of people know? But
I got invited and it's like I don't want to
miss it now. Every time that it happens, though, like
all four of the times that I've gone, it's like
I go okay, like and I get there and it's
like a lot of like drugs and alcohol, and I'm
like I'm sober, so like I'm not gonna take stuff,
you know, And then you get accidentally drug that happens.
You know, you're just think you're eating a brownie, but
then it's like you start ketamines in it exactly right,
and then you're like it's now it's like eight o'clock. AGM.
And you're like, oh, it's gonna be hard to get
an uber, so you're like, I'm gonna try to stick
it out wi fi. So it's like like a Janie
Fox is Halloween barties. I got to call John because
he didn't want to go, and I'm like, he dropped
you off, and yeah, I'm like, you're no fun, you know,
And then I have to like try to call him,
but then he's like trying to text me, but it's
not going through, or at least that's what I say.
Speaker 2: Later, you guys, you need to make a plan. He
needs to know where to meet you at what time, right,
But you always want to go early because.
Speaker 1: You're too tired. Y'all have to get one of my
mom friends with my Jewish mom friends to go. And
I'm like, Laura, listen, it's a freak off, Like how
often are you going to get that opportunity right right?
Speaker 2: And she's complaining the whole time. Yeah, she's let's get
the party started. It's eight thirty nine o'clock, Like come on.
But see, maybe you guys go too early, you know,
because they don't they have parties like for the kids,
and then the kids get sent home and then it's
like then it gets into the then.
Speaker 1: It gets crazy like later that's when the baby oil
comes out. Yeah, the freaks come out, like bring your
own baby oil, Like all right, I gotta stop at CVS,
like it's a whole thing. I gotta get a card,
you know, it's a I give him.
Speaker 2: I bring like four bottles of baby oil with a
card that I got at Trader Joe's. Yeah, you know, yeah,
because I don't want to spend, Like the cards at
CVS are like four ninety nine from reading card, but
Trader Joe's is like ninety nine cents.
Speaker 1: And I've made two stops now baby.
Speaker 2: Oil and you know, yeah, well they don't sell, yes,
because they don't sell baby oil at Trader jo But you.
Speaker 1: Can get vitamin E oil. But he did. He is
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Oak Essentials Nice. What else do you do with these
freak offs. Do you wear a white dress? No? No,
I honestly I will stay till like eight eight thirty
and then I'm like, I'm so tired. I'm sorry. Oh
I never I barely ever see him either, Like, yes,
he's the worst host. He's off like having an orgy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not gonna like.
Speaker 2: He's in his bathrobe, he's got a towel around his waist.
He's holding a towel with one hand and using his
pimpan with the other.
Speaker 1: Now, Kaitlyn, you've been to a freak off, right.
Speaker 3: I mean only once, but yeah with your dad?
Speaker 1: Was p did like, Michael, what's up? And then he's like,
this is my son, Kate Lynn.
Speaker 3: Miss Jamie Fox. That was very cool when I met
him there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Ashton Kutcher is always there. Yeah,
now what Aushton Kutcher is always getting himself into some
bad situations, right, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Hasn't had a good track record late right now. He
had a girlfriend who was murdered by a serial killer.
Remember that, No, Ashton Kutcher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that. It was in one of those
It was in one of those Netflix documentaries, right, it
was one of the one of the notable serial killers.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, a girlfriend. He was dating this girl. I'm
going to try to remember the story and Kaylin's going
to google it to so we can do corrections so
we don't have to issue corrections in the next show. Yeah,
but he the girl, he was supposed to go over
to her house and like kind of for a booty call.
They weren't like boyfriend and girlfriend, but he was like
kind of seeing her. He goes over to her house.
She's not answering the door, and he's so he kind
of like peeks in the window and there's some wines spilled,
but he's like, yeah, I'm not going to like push it.
Like he doesn't think that much of it. He just
thinks like she kind of blow him off, right, And
then he finds out later that's.
Speaker 2: Right, she was killed by some yeah, a serial killer
in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The nickname was the Hollywood Ripper.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember this story.
So that but then what's the next thing that he
was also kind of mostly involved with the guy from
the Scientology guy.
Speaker 2: Danny Masterson, Yeah, sticking up for him and reading a
letter to the judging coort to like be go leaning
on him. That happened, and then now months later his
other path.
Speaker 1: Pe p Ditty is pe ditty? Yeah, like what's up?
What's what?
Speaker 2: Did he not know how to pick friends? What's wrong
with denominators?
Speaker 1: Seems to be Ashton Kutcher?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And there was some like uh uh now
because I don't know the details. But Britney Murphy away,
Remember she died and then her fiance died. Yes, And
was it because they were hanging out with P Diddy?
Like did they get or Ashton Kutcher like did they
get the P Diddy flu?
Speaker 1: Like Jamie Foxx, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's Britney Murphy's store. That Britney Murphy story wasn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: And if you try to listen to like a podcast
about it, which I have, you don't get anywhere. They
never really figured it out, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, how did she? She just she just died
from pneumonia or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people thought maybe there was something weird like
in their house, like they had mold or something. But
because they were both just doing a lot of drugs, right,
must have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when you got two people in a
relationship to pass away, that should be normal in how
you know, young and healthy.
Speaker 1: But he was supposed to be abusive. Like it wasn't
a good situation in the first place. But then yeah,
but then it was like very mysterious because he does
they both passed, yeah, within like months of each other.
And the other weird thing.
Speaker 2: The other weird thing is is is P Diddy's ex.
Speaker 1: Wife passes away from pneumonia. What's him? Is that? Her name?
Kim Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so kim Porter, who I don't was his P
Diddy's x It might have been x Y. I don't
know if they're married, but was also Ashton Kutcher's ex.
Speaker 1: Wait and I'm on an IMDb.
Speaker 3: Page and it has P Diddy, Ashton Kutcher, Brittany Murphy,
and kim Porter all in the same picture. O, what
the fuck?
Speaker 1: We we did? We just solving crimes right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is IMDb, which is not very reliable, but
still it's.
Speaker 1: It's very reliable. Yeah. I do a lot of good
work for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, that's okay, that's crazy. Wait, somebody
needs to tail Ashton Kutcher for a while. He has
a lot of bodies.
Speaker 1: I would not want to be anywhere near him.
Speaker 3: No, it's not just IMDb. Another headlines, Ashton Kutcher has
two ex girlfriends who died mysteriously friendship with P Diddy.
Speaker 2: Rais's questions, Holy shit, what this is breaking news?
Speaker 1: Wow? I don't think people have no shock right now?
Know that. I don't think a lot of people know
that we accidentally made these connections. Yeah kind of. Yeah.
Well yeah, Harvey Levan and got nothing on our show. Yeah.
And also he wasn't super great to Demi Moore, now
I know, Yeah, what's up with him? That is bizarre.
He was cheating on her and like really, yeah, I
read her up to no good. Yeah. Remember we read
her book for book Club Club. Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 2: It was it was a good really yeah, it's very
one of the Yeah, I remember it was such a
good book. But yeah, he wasn't good to her. Uh
that's beause I didn't know that he dated Kim Porter.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But she died when she was with P Diddy. No,
I think they were broken up.
Speaker 3: I think it said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the mom of like a couple of his kids.
I think he has twins with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, this is a lot of mysterious. Yes, there
needs to be a documentary about all this. Yeah, and
you know what, you probably have the documentarians killed right.
Speaker 3: It says from ninety four to seven and Porter had
an on and off again relationship with p Diddy. And
she died of pneumonia in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: So that is kind of when did Britney Murphy dies?
What I want to know?
Speaker 2: God, like a long time before that. I'm gonna guess
twenty ten. I feel like she died around the time
somebody else, bigger died, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like remember when.
Speaker 2: Pharaphace It died had a Yeah, she died the same
age Jack Jackson.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I was like it came and went, yeah.
Speaker 3: You're very close. It's December of nine. I didn't realize
she's oh she was my age thirty two.
Speaker 1: Wowow, that's crazy. That was a long time ago. Yeah,
my twins were born in seven. Yeah. I was listening
to Okay, I don't know what's happened. I think it's
just because there's not a lot of new podcast out
so I've been going back and listening to a lot
of you know, we've talked about this. I have the
worst memory. So when I go back and listen to something.
I have a faint idea that I liked it and
it's brand new to me. Right, yeah, And I listened
to this podcast called Lost Hills, which is about crimes
and mysteries that happened in Malibu. Okay, there's a story
about this woman named, Oh my god, can you look
up podcast lost Hills because now I'm going to forget
her name. It starts with an M. And she was
a miss she what spoiler alert, She was having a
mental break and she went into this restaurant, she went
to Jeoffrey's. Oh yeah, and she kind of was dining
and dashing, but you find out later. And then so
she gets the restaurant has her arrested, not because you
can really have somebody arrested for stealing eighty dollars.
Speaker 3: Name's Matrise Richardson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matrise Richardson. It's a really fascinating story. So the
police take her into the Lost Hills Police Station, which
is kind of in the middle of nowhere. It's between
it's like south of Calabasas, but between Malibu and Calabasas,
and there's nothing around, right, And they bring her in
and they lock her stuff in her car, so she
her phone and her like purse are locked in her car,
and they bring her to the police station and then
they release her. Meanwhile, her mom, who also suffers from
mental illness, is called and the mom's like, well, I
can't come get her or whatever, and then she calls
her grandma to come get her, and the grandma's like,
I'm ninety years old and live like an hour away,
So like, hold her until the morning, because this is
like four in the morning, right, And she's like, can
you please hold her until the morning. So they're like, okay,
we will because she can't. The mom too, is like
you can't just release her. She doesn't have any of
her stuff with her, she doesn't have a way to
get anywhere. Yeah, so they're like, okay, no problem. But
according to the police, they're like, she's like, you can't
hold me on what charges? And they're like okay, yeah,
but why don't you just sleep here. We'll leave the
cell open unlocked, you know, but stay here. She's like nope,
I got to go. I got people to see, I
got things to do. But she was in the middle
of like a total mental break. Then she's never seen again.
Oh my god. And then a year later they find
her remains, and it's still kind of a mystery. There's
some sp if you listen to the whole podcast, there
are some suspects. But they interviewed like a friend of
hers who was saying that she was like completely obsessed
with Michael Jackson really and thought that like, yeah, was
like trying to avenge Michael Jackson's death and like like
had this whole thing about how Michael Jackson was innocent
and she was just very very obsessed with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like to a weird usually that mental illness,
they get hyper obsessed or focused on somebody or something
like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, And she had this girlfriend and the girlfriend had said,
like you know, she had like kind of lost her
mind and she had all these she was journaling and
saying like crazy things in her journal, and then she
left the journal somewhere where the girlfriend kind of read
it and was very disturbed by it and was trying
to distance herself from my Terece and had gone to
Vegas and the and my Terece was like, I'm gonna
come to Vegas and she was like, no, please, don't.
I'm in Vegas with my friends. And then you hear
the journal entries from this girl going, yeah, like as
soon as I get off work today, like I'm going
to just drive to Vegas and it's going to be
like epic and like, you know, I'm going to drive
there at like three in the morning. And then she
drives to Vegas and somehow how fines this girl who
she thinks is her girlfriend but who is like not
interested in her anymore and has been trying to break
up with her, and she just like shows up in
a casino like that morning and it's like what's up, yeah,
and it's like a very sad story. And then like
next thing, you know, she's just like in Jeffrey's sitting
at random people's tables like ordering all.
Speaker 2: This food like wow, and they arrested her because she
skipped out on the bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like, I can't pay the bill. So
she had ordered like eighty dollars worth of food and
then wasn't going to pay, but they called the police
because she was acting so erratically. What year was this
a long time ago? You look up with you it
was like I'm gonna say maybe not that maybe like
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Date Ash and Cultcher but probably Well I want to
know what happened to her though.
Speaker 1: What are some of the theories of what happened to her?
Speaker 2: One of that there was like a guy there was
like this guy they do his whole backstory who lived
in Malibu.
Speaker 1: He had this total criminal record, and I guess he
was either seen with her or he there's just there's
a guy who's like a very good suspect for it,
who had a history of like being very abusive to
women and strangling women. And this girl had been strangled, wow,
and was in the vicinity of like where he lived,
and he was he was kind of like had set
up a bunker and she was found basically like where
this guy kind of lives.
Speaker 2: Wow, So he's back in. So she made it all
the way back to Malibu.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know, there's no way to know how
she got to where she was found, so people think
that she was brought there. But there was a sighting
of her, like she'd she'd wandered to somebody's to like
the back of someone's house. There was a guy who
said she was like sitting on his back porch and
he came out, was like, can I help you or whatever?
And do you want to come in, Like do you
need to choose the phone?
Speaker 2: And she was like nope, and like wow, yeah, damn
what a story.
Speaker 1: Should listen to it. It's a good podcast because they
do a different stories of different things that have happened
in Malibu.
Speaker 3: They found her remains in January twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Oh so another twenty ten days. Twenty ten was a
bad year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then also remember when that that the that publicist
was murdered when she was just driving in Beverly Hills,
just like this older lady publicist.
Speaker 1: Remember she was gunned down. Remember it was in the news.
Speaker 2: No, she was just the psch kind of so the
publicist to the stars. And I think she was connected
to P Diddy or Jamie I don't know, but like, yeah,
she was gunned down and.
Speaker 1: It still hasn't been solved. Really. Yeah, that's another story
I just thought of.
Speaker 3: Ronnie Chassen.
Speaker 1: Yes, very good, Kaylin, Yeah, you're producing the shit out
of this show. Yeah, what what happened?
Speaker 3: So she was a publicist who represented actors Michael Douglass,
musician Hans Zimmer. Hey, Diddy, you want to know about
her death? She was shot in Beverly Hills at twelve
thirty am. She was driving from Hollywood premiere the film Burlesque.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like stopped at a light and she
was gunned down, like at twelve thirty one o'clock in
Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: That place is like a ghost town at that time.
That's crazy. Yeah, what does she tupac? I know, That's
what I feel like. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe she
knew some shit. That's a publicist. Mm hmmm. It's weird.
It's not like she's like an attorney, right, you know
what I mean? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Apparently the one, the one suspect that they had in
the case, killed himself.
Speaker 1: Well there goes that. I got to hear a podcast
about that, I know, you know, yeah, I you know
what we should take it. Let's take a quick break
and we're back. Yeah, gosh, I've been re listening to
some good podcasts, Like you know, what I listened to
completely from start to finish again was the Nexium podcast
oh Man that they made the vow And then I
started watching the vow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if he listened to that podcast way before
the vowel came out in HBO, right yeah, yeah, And
then they did, so then you started watching that again.
Speaker 1: Then I started watching the vow because I'd forgot. I've
forgotten how kind of like unattractive Keith Niroh got his
volleyball like Van Danyer, long hair, like he's just not
cute at all. Like I would give it a little bit.
Speaker 2: I could understand if he was kind of cute, even
if he had like that, you know whatever, like swagger.
He has no swagger, none, nothing, nothing appealing.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting too with that whole cult because when
you listen to the podcast and when you watch the show,
you kind of see why people get sucked in because
it's like, now, I'm not somebody who enjoys cult type stuff.
I don't like something about me. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big follower, right so, and I'm very
cynical about shit like that, you know, But you can
see how people get sucked into it when they're telling
them like, hey, you have some blocks about this, Like
you know, you could.
Speaker 1: Be making so much more money if you would just
release some of your ideas about yourself, some of your beliefs,
you know, and here's how to change these beliefs about
yourself and then these people get like they don't bring
the sex stuff in until wair. They really ease you
into that, and there's a lot of like guys who
are in it. So that's how they trick you, because
they're like, this is really a thing like a science
of the mind kind of you know, and they get
you because it's not it. They do make it about
like science, Like it's not as airy fairy as some
kind of culty stuff. There's not like mother gods involved.
It's about like the science of the brain, like talk
therapy basically, but we're going to talk you out of
these beliefs, of these limiting beliefs. And then for a
lot of people, like they're men and women that never
get into the sex part of it. It's just that
when you get into that inner circle. When he was
starting to yet with Alison Mack, who we all know
tried to get me to try to get you. God
damn it, Stephanie, why didn't you just gotta just check
it out? The thing is, the more I listened to
like the podcast and watch the show, the more I'm
like skeptical if they were going to try to have
sex with me, I'm worried that they weren't attracted to
me in that way. A I don't think I was
thin enough, okay for one, but for two, I realized
that she was originally trying to get me to join Janess,
which was like a week Yeah, yeah, that's right, which
was a wing of it. Now I'm going to hear
about people saying I mispronounced the women's cult. Sorry Jeness okay, everybody.
They say she had some notes she at Jeness at our,
at our Jens meetings, on your tour, on your tour.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Geness though that was just for women, right
right right, and just for him and the women.
Speaker 1: But they claimed that the DOS, which was the sex
cult part of it, that's where they branded you if
you were in DOS, that's where you had a slave,
where you were someone slave. Yeah, and then they had
to get collateral for God, you had to say yes,
so you had to tell them. So the one girl,
Lauren calls up Sarah and says, hey, listen, and they're
best friends, and she's like, listen, I'm doing this really
cool thing called DOS where it's like if you want
to do everything we're doing, but like fucking next level,
like you're gonna be so freaking free in your mind.
You're going to just be able to achieve so many things.
All you have to do, though, is give me some collateral.
So Sarah is like, okay, cool, cool, my husband's kind
of an asshole sometimes, like, and she's like, nah, it's
gonna have to be like more than that, Like it's
gonna have to be something that could be really bad,
you know, right, Like it's for both of our safety.
It's like, if you don't have some good collateral, like
you're gonna slip back on some of the things I'm
gonna have you do which are for your betterment. Right.
So then she's like, okay, well, I mean my husband
is like really like really an asshole sometimes, and also
my parents. And then and then she makes up. She
ends up making up some stuff. Didn't she take pictures
of herself? Yes? So then she has to take pictures
of herself. And then it's like it gets to the
point where Keith is like not enough, Like it has
to be more than that. So pretty soon she just
like spreads her legs and takes a picture like of
her labia, not without her face in it even, and
he's like okay cool. So then and now they have collateral,
so now she has to do anything that she's the
slave of her friend, and anytime Lauren tells her to
do anything, she has to do it and say like yes,
master or whatever. God, So there's slave and master. Then
eventually Sarah starts to realize that Keith is having sex
with all these women, so then she decides she that's
when she finally decides she kind of wants out, and
then she's like, but dude, you're gonna get rid of
the pictures I sent you, right, And then Lauren says
she will. But then later later his defense, Keith Ranieri's
defenses that like, well, we never used any of the collateral,
to which people like Sarah were like, well, that's even
kind of grosser because then you were using all these
pictures of our vaginas just for your own right, Like
you were never going to like use them as blackmail.
You just wanted to like jerk off to them, right.
Speaker 2: But what did these girls think was gonna happen? Like
why would they need to send a picture of their
laby at? Like what do they think?
Speaker 1: Because if they thought that it's going to keep them
accountable to like this bettering themselves like having more discipline,
Like you have to have a real thing at risk,
Like you're not going to do the things we're asking
me to do unless you're scared that we're going to
use your collateral against you.
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: So they did it willingly. But then remember they got
the branding, and then they all realized that they had
branded Keith ray Neary's initials and Alison.
Speaker 2: Alison Max that's the bird, right, that's the crazy part. Yeah, Now,
well do we know for sure that it was Alison?
Is it Alison mac like they did that on purpose or.
Speaker 1: Was it just a No? She was in on it. No,
she was in on the branding, Yes, which is why
I was trying to bring She was the one who
was recruiting women to be in the joss in the
super secret sex part of the cult, which is why
she reached out to you. That's what That's what I
originally thought. But then I was like, am I good enough? Like?
Am I fit enough? I started having doubts.
Speaker 2: Well, they would have made you thin, They would have
made aren't they Unlike special diets too, they have to
tell them what they're eating every day, Yes, like they
can only eat certain amount of calories.
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, if you're in the super secret inner circle
right right, but it is, it's very fascinating, it is,
and it is true, like the guy.
Speaker 2: The weird thing is these guys that join it, you
know that because it wasn't like they did sell themselves themselves,
like therapy and science and bettering yourself and yeah, that's
a nice outer shell. But then when you get to
the meat of it is when yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1: But you can kind of you really can see why
people think it seems cool and like they get into
it and then you make all these friends and then
it's like your community, right you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the thing. I think a lot of
these cults, I feel like they do. These people that
you know, might have left their families behind or you know,
went to a different city to live and then didn't
have a lot, didn't have direction, so they find these
these places. You know, remember there was another kind of
culty place that a woman ran in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the oh the oh yeah, the orgasm cult.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it was an orgasm cult. And it's like
I was watching that. I can see that they you know, yeah,
they they become a sense of community. And they become
like a little family. They somebody gets a house at
some point and then everybody comes over to that house
and they all cook together and they all hang out together,
and it looks fun. It looks like fun, you know,
like why wouldn't you want to have a group of
friends that you're just in your early twenties and thirties
hanging out with or you know, yeah, I could see,
I could see.
Speaker 1: Well, this is why I think a lot of people
think that, you know, like AA and other twelve step
meetings are culty. Like I thought that at the beginning,
because it's like it has that same feeling of like community,
and if you go to like the same meetings, like
everybody's super nice to you and they're really trying to
help you and they're like, hey, do you want me
to come over? And like, and it can be very
off putting to people when they're like what do you want?
What do you want from me? But the difference is
there's no leader and it doesn't cost any money. So like,
because I used to say that, in my mind, I'd
be like, God, how is this not a cult? Like
why are these people so nice? Why is everybody so supportive?
And like being together, and it also is like improves
your mind and it's a different way to think about things.
But so I would really have to sit there sometimes
and go okay, okay, but it isn't actually a cult
because nobody's asking me for anything, and I can leave
any time I want. It doesn't positive anything. Nobody asked
me for a picture of my life. I mean I
gave I took them. I send them out on the
off chance, you know what I mean, because you don't
know for sure. And then people would be like, why
did you send me this? And they'd be like, what
do you mean, why are you saying you don't want it? Yeah,
you had like a little like you came with your
little briefcase picture.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wore like special like white robes and they're like,
you know you could just wear like sweats or jeans
or whatever, and I'd be like no, no, no, like
it's cool. I know you guys want me to prefer me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or you were taking those vitamins that that are the
silver vitamins that make you purple.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's a cult.
Speaker 2: That's like I mean the mother that was a cult
of like two people by the way, right, Like she
only had like a couple of people.
Speaker 1: Well they yeah, and then they all lived in that house.
Speaker 2: And then they yeah, then they kind of died off
and it was down to like two people, yes, yes,
and then she died and the part of her lotty Yeah.
Speaker 1: They left her in the house for like weeks, remember,
and they just like kept putting flowers around her, and
she was fully purple.
Speaker 2: Yes, at what point do you're taking this silver souf?
At what point do you go like that doesn't seem
like healthy right where your skin is turning purple, you
look like a grape, right.
Speaker 1: And you're so sick because remember she was just like.
Speaker 2: A horrible alcoholic Oh yeah, that's right, right, yeah, and
they were called was like, yeah, she just wanted to
hang out all day and drink and have people just
do shit for her, yes, and then just started to
call it her cult, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is so confusing to me how people are like, yes,
I'm in I would love to travel with you guys.
What like, what is the a try that's not even
like a mind thing where you're like, oh, but I'm
also making some cool break right, Like you're just like,
what is the breakthrough. You're like, I'm out in the
backyard hoeing the hoeing the yard, Like, yeah, I know,
where's that breakthrough? There's no science behind that. No. Wow,
they're not making money.
Speaker 2: They're not doing you know, spreadsheets and you know power points.
Speaker 1: Nothing. Now even like with the Heaven's Gate people. I've
listened to that podcast several times through. If you're interested,
it's just called Heaven's Gate. It is a freaking phenomenal podcast.
You think you've heard the story, but you hear from
like people's families and how they Oh my god, these
people really were one hundred percent willing. Now you got
these leaders who call themselves t and do right and
are just bizarre people. But they like it's a Jim
Jones type like yeahre charismatic and but like at what
point when the guy goes, hey, it's really bad that
we have any sexual desire, so let's like lap straight. Yeah,
And these people are like, I'll go, I'll do it,
Like how do I sign up? And they're like, we're
not going to do it at a hospital or with
a doctor or anything. We just got a guy who's like,
I don't know, I've never done it.
Speaker 2: People, right, Yeah, yeah, I know, that's right.
Speaker 1: They were like, I'll go first, I'll go first. Yeah,
they were arguing over who got to do it first,
right to get their their ship their junk cut off.
You don't understand like that. So all you're getting is
a sense of community, which I feel like, go to church,
I know, I know, go to any like group that, Like,
there's so many more ways join a club, like join
the rotary club, Like why are you like no these
people though, no. And that was another cult.
Speaker 2: That cult didn't have any sex. They wanted everybody to
look alike, right, that that was weird. That's the one
cult that I you know, one of the rare cults
that didn't involve sex.
Speaker 1: And if you came in as a couple, they would
like make you break up.
Speaker 2: Right, right, And like all the women, everybody had their
hair cut the same way, they're all dressed the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where did they get the money for the nikes?
They had jobs? Oh that's right, they let them have jobs.
But then they'd have to take all their money that
they make and just come back and bring it to
the group.
Speaker 2: Right, So somebody had to go on and like a
foot lock or run And.
Speaker 1: Why would the Nikes, Like I didn't get that. Then
they were all purple. They weren't purple Nikeys. They had
to special order them, I think, and they had the
purple shroud over them, right, yeah, or maybe they had purple. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure it was purple nikes. Yeah. That cult
is so I mean, I know there's a lot of
them like that. But that was so sad because the
parents these people would sometimes come home for a little
bit and then just be like, Okay, it was good
to see you going back to the colt ye and
then they would sometimes call home and the you know,
they the families would bring in like cult deprogrammers to
give them advice, right, and they'd be like you cannot
say like when are you know you need to come
home or you know, but you have to talk to
them like okay, that sounds great, yeah, like would you
put and they have a trick them, like one of
the parents was like grandma really would love to see you,
like she's not doing very well, and then the daughter
would be like, oh, sorry to hear that. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not coming home though, right right. That was sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that whole thing was sad and then
there was the Twin Flames cult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which you're still operating to this day. So I've
been talking about this on my other podcast. But you
have heard of this girl, Hannah Kobayashi, right, yeah, the chick,
right yeah? No, but what the one who's missing, the
one who missed a flight from the one who came
from Hawaii. No, you haven't heard of this girl. Well,
Hannah is a huge story. Hannah the girl in the
Twin Flames or no. No, this is a current story
that is going on right now. There's a missing woman.
I can't believe you haven't heard of this. So okay,
this is a crazy story. Been talking about it over
on a Borde and Rose Pricks because Cecily is like,
we're kind of obsessed with this case. Okay, So this girl,
her name's Hannah Kobayashi. She flew from Hawaii. This is
an ongoing thing. It just happened November tenth. She went missing.
She flew in from Hawaii, was supposed to be connecting
in Lax and going to New York. She was with
an ex boyfriend. Disappeared at Lax, never did never got
on her connecting flight. But she's been seen she's having
some kind of mental health thing, but she has all
these connections to the Twin Flames cult. Oh boy, but
there's all these weird she was sending like very weird
cryptic texts to different friends. Her phone was seen at Lax,
but then she was spotted at the Grove and the
police are saying that she purposely didn't get on the
flight to New York and the ex boyfriend has been
totally cleared. There's video footage of her like in Lax
and at the grove at some like weird like Nike
really yeah, it's connected to Nike's really yeah. Can you
look up Hannah Kobayashi ko b a y a s
hi and see if there's any update like as of today. Wow,
So she was on her way to New York but not.
But so she said that she's talking to her friend
and she's like this is some like deep matrix shit
that's got The friend is like, hey, what's going on?
Where are you? And she's like that one text she
said she'd thinks somebody stole her identity, and another text
she's saying she's going to the Redwood forests, but it's
about the Twin Flames Wow, she's been in all these
like twins, she's in a twin Flames group. Hmmm.
Speaker 3: And I'm not seeing too many updates the stories wide
and out there. There's a lot of different articles about it,
from a go to four hours ago to sixty minutes ago.
Speaker 2: But well, it could be you know, maybe this this
woman is not mentally well, no, she's definitely not. And
then you know, so maybe the twin Flames might just
be a part of the you know, her whole mental illness,
you know, and may I mean, yeah, but the twin Flames.
Speaker 1: They say he's very creepy. It is very creepy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe maybe I don't know, are they saying
that they have something to do with it, or she's
just a mentally ill person that follows twin Flames?
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, I don't know. It's it's we've been doing
some deep dives. Some people think that yeah, she's just
wanted to go do her own thing and not be
caught found. But some people think she was abducted. Like
this is a lot of theories. Go look it up.
It's crazy, all right. Yeah, Wow, we.
Speaker 2: Dug deep Yeah, we did. We saw the show I wrote.
We did some news breaking.
Speaker 1: We solve some murders. We I think by the time
you listen to this, hopefully Ashton Kutcher has been arrested, right,
you know, if there's any justice. Yeah, But let's talk
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