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Speaker 1: Made a saint.

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Speaker 2: John pays Sunny sad On, I hadasion night.

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Speaker 1: So what's happening everybody? What's she? What's shaken? What's going on?

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What's going down? Let's say hi to our friends real fast, Okay,

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real fast? All right? Jacob is Growley, Sandra, it's not

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easy being green, but you do it. Jennifer get up.

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Aaron is a dirty Sanchez, which don't look that up.

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Do yourself a favor. Sarah's Theefano, she's our Paisano. Leslie

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got again? Yeh yeah, Leslie, we've has been our was

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one of our very very first patreons and never since

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never she's never contacted us, but she pays because her

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credit card like obviously it would have expired, so she knows.

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I know, she listens. She's just very quiet. Yeah, I

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love you, Thank you, Leslie. Alicia Scalante from the City

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on mounte Yeah. Kelly Brandt, she will gass up her

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van Rebecca to a Brandish all killed. He's so hot

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hot Dad, Dolph, Missy and Gabby. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well they're still rounding up potential clients for us. Yes,

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what are we gonna call that?

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Speaker 1: You know? You know.

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Speaker 2: Di Varsity Clues like, well, speech and debate, Yeah, speech

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and debate prep prep.

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Speaker 1: All right, we gotta think on that one. Katerina, check

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the Moulder, Valerie, Bubba fenwickkets out of the park, Polly,

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we love your pancakes. Rita, you got a basinette and

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it's full of Elizabeth Williamson's brand new babies that she

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just got. Nikki, you call your girl. Katie's rolling on

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the e Kelly and Dick is frolicking. Dick is still

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frollicking of him. Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, it's Friday. It's Friday.

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Speaker 2: Did you see did you hear about that mom? Remember

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the mom that drove her kids into the lake years ago?

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Speaker 1: Susan Susan Smith, Yeah, yeah, she.

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Speaker 2: Uh there's this like documentary out where like there's all

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these phone calls, prison phone calls. She hasn't been a

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very good model citizen apparently, what she's like having sex

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with like guards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah m hm. And then she.

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Speaker 2: Has like all these boyfriends and stuff. I forgot where

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I saw this documentary. It was like there's like jailhouse

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phone calls because it's coming up on her thirty five

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years of I think it was on Nightline, thirty five

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years of being in jail, and now I guess she's

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she can be up for parole and she keeps, she keeps.

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I think she's been up maybe once or twice now

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and she just came up recently. She got denied, surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 1: But because of this behavior. Yeah, I think a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of that has to do with Yeah, yeah, because remember too,

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it was it was pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: She drove her kids into the lake and then blamed

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it on black guys. Yeah remember the car jack.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And she kept that story going for like

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a week or something like that, right, Yeah, But it

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turned out that she just was like having an affair

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with some guy that didn't want to didn't want to

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have kids, right, And then she said that she was

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gonna she was she was going to commit suicide with

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the kids, but just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: So instead she rolled the car into the lake. Right.

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Speaker 2: And there was video they put in her trial. They

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put they recreated the car going into the lake, and

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they they rigged the car with cameras and they put

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a camera in the back seat to show you what

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it's morbid, but to show you what what what the

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kids were seeing when they were drowning. Yeah, yeah, it

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was awful. I didn't know that they did that. Yeah,

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they just this whole like rethink thing about her special

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on her recently. Could you imagine having to be a

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juror in a trial like that now as a as

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a parent? No, I mean obviously even if you weren't

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a parent, but I mean, you know, I just imagine

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being a mom of young kids. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

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And I would think that the defense attorneys would not

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want those people on the jury.

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Speaker 1: Right, But don't don't people end up on a jury

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that you don't want sometimes anyway, because you run out

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of the jury pool is small, Well, you run out

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of what do you call it? What do you call it?

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a jury mass? Yeah, you know, you you have like

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a certain amount of ones that you can block right

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from being but I think you run out of those,

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and then you have to have a really good reason.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody, even if you didn't have little kids

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Speaker 2: If you've had kids, even if yeah, you're right, even

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Speaker 1: I just it would be I don't know, remember when

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Mark Garret goes when we had him on our show,

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and I was really obsessed at that time with that

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hot car dad. Oh yeah, hot car Dad. Yeah, Justin whatever,

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who I believe was guilty of leaving his kid. So

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the guy look up google hot car Dad because the

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name was Justin. I think it was Justin. I'm pretty sure.

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I just picture him.

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Speaker 3: And Ross Harris, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Justin Ross Harris. He was so gross. So remember he.

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Speaker 3: Left Father's Day of this year.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is timely, timely, Yeah, timely episode bringing

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him up. Yeah, so he was convicted.

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Speaker 2: The story, very briefly was that he he didn't go

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take his kid to daycare, so it seemed like it

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was a mistake, right, But then we find out that

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he'd been like googling all these like how long does

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it take an animal to die in a hot car?

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that is because it was like his biggest fear, right right,

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WhatsApp conversations and he had visited a lot of people.

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had visited a Reddit page for child Free Right people.

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there an app to for.

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Speaker 2: Like people that didn't want to be married or something

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not inn Ashley Madison, but something like that, like or

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didn't want to be parents?

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Speaker 1: Well that was the child free child. Yes, and he'd yes,

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his had showed him that, and that he was just

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saying like, no, I love my kid in there, like

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I did have kids. He wasn't like a proponent of

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child free right. He was saying how much he loves

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his kid. But the morning that that happened, he didn't

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drop the kid at daycare and he went to go

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get something to eat, and he was sexting with He

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was sexting with like tons of women.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he was taking pictures of himself in the

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bathroom and setting them out to women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then he left his kid in the car.

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and he dropped anyway, he.

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Speaker 2: Put something in the car and he didn't even Yeah,

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he didn't notice his kid was in the car. So

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he said, yeah, he threw like light bulbs or something

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Some people maintained that, like just because he

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he was googling. How long was any googling death? Yes,

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that car? Yes, okay, yeah, But the point is that

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we were discussing that case with Mark Garregs, and I

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was saying that, like, I had listened to the Atlanta

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really cool because they play a lot of the trial.

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and what the different sides are saying and what the

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defense is saying, and how they picked the jury. And

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juror like a white mom basically like, no, you could

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never be on and I would get rid of you

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in a heartbeat, right, Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Wape implying that,

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like I'm a Karen or something, that I'd be like

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that guy's guilty. But I was like, no, I listened.

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I listened to a whole podcast about it. I think

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I think I'm making an educated judgment, right, I could

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be fair, and they said I couldn't be fair. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, and then you got on a jury and we

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were telling him about that.

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Speaker 1: Remember you were telling him about that, and then.

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Speaker 2: Also there was something else you were Oh, you were

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talking about Oh, what's her name, Lacy Peterson?

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Speaker 1: Right, and you're like, well, because he's yeah, because he

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thinks Scott Peterson's innocent.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you want to argue that that guy didn't get

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a fair trial, have at it, Like I don't, that's fine,

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but like, he's not freaking innocent. Yeah, come on. I

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get irritated when they're like, well, it's just circumstantial. Well, yeah,

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circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and especially if you've got

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a shit ton of it. Right.

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of Dallas or whatever, and he had a scholarship to

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go play football in college. It was his senior year

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and his parents something happened to his dad. I think

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dad died and then the mom got really sick and

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the family that took him in. But at their house,

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she ran a daycare center and she had her son

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living there who also played football with him. And anyway,

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so he's living at this house. He's at school one

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day and his friend or somebody, a sisters, somebody called

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him and said, you need to come home right away.

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Speaker 1: The FBI is looking for you. And he was like,

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Speaker 2: And they said they're one of the kids at the

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preschool is saying that you molested him. This little boy

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is saying you molest him. And he was like, I

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just all these twists and turns. But I don't want

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to spoil it, but it's pretty tree. I mean, this kid,

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you know, may have been guilty, may not. You have

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to watch it outcry outcry what what it's on?

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Speaker 1: Paramount?

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Speaker 2: Oh, but I think you can see it on Hulu

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a Showtime documentary. Okay, yeah, it's really good and it

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Speaker 1: And well, if this is about a wrongful conviction, I

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like that happened, So I would be yes, I wouldn't

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want to wrongfully like it would have There'd have to

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be proof. Look, I'm going to go back and say, like,

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as a bystander. I think it sure seems like yeah

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it was purposeful, but I don't know if I, like

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if I could convict him based on the evidence either.

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really seems like they did something and you really have

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to do I would want good evidence obviously, like OJ

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you know, like he was clearly in a and you know,

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glove don't fit, you gotta equit. Yeah, you gotta quit.

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Speaker 2: They were there forever, right, Yeah, they wanted to go

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home to their families. Yeah, that trial lasted. I feel

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the break room. Yeah, it just never ended.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the jurors.

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Speaker 2: But that whole thing started off, this whole well was it, Yeah,

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started off all this this chain of events could have

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could have you know, affected the Menendez brothers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah out yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And Menendez brothers. Right, they're getting out soon. Last time

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we talked, they had their court date.

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Speaker 1: They had a court date, but then it was postponed.

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They might have had a court date to try to

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get them a real another trial, but uh, that's getting

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pushed into back to like sometime I think later this month, right, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And now our breaking news has gone that we

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broke about Jamie Fox and p Diddy. Now people are

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talking about it. Oh they are yeah, I saw online.

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and they they brought up they say they said the

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same thing.

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Speaker 1: We reported on our show that he was.

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Speaker 2: Doing a stand up special and he said to the

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audience that he was drugged by P Didy And he

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called the FBI and then went back and said, I

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was just kidding, and yeah, it was reported by audience members.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So some people were saying though that he was

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joking because he did it in a If he did

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it in a stand up special, was he like just kidding?

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So he said he was just kidding. But do you

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think because he got pressured? Yes, I do. Seems obvious, right, yeah,

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how do you.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, why would you kid? You know,

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when people know that you hang out with P Diddy? Right,

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I don't know it, just why would you kid about it?

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And then this other podcast they had audio of somebody

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talking like a friend of Jamie Fox talking being interviewed,

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and he said he wasn't kidding. He said that there's

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there's truth to that statement.

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Speaker 3: So we'll have to wait for the special to come out, right,

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Maybe it's just maybe he's just hyping up his special

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a little bit. You know, talking about that's true?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think they edited they would edit that

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out of the special?

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Speaker 3: Though? I don't. I mean, I guess depends on how

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true it is and how long ago did.

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Speaker 1: He record this special, because like how long does that?

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Speaker 3: And like what kind of special is it? Like it's

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a comedy special and Jamie Fowx is very funny, but

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he doesn't seem like a straight stand up comedian, right,

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it's more like a kind of you know, I don't know.

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lot of like talking stories too. So at this point,

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if they didn't put it in the special, he would

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have to like come out and say whether or not

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he said it originally in one of the tapings, and

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like if it's true or not, I feel like special

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come out and there's no mention of it. Everybody'd be

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like what the fuck? Dude?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I feel like it sounds pretty true. Yeah.

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I went to like four freak offs he did he

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freak offs and I did see stuff like that happens,

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did you. Yeah? I did never stay that long. I'm older,

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so I got I would get tired, you know, you

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know when you go to a freak off and you're

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like this it seems more fun than it ends up being. Yeah,

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you get you get hyped. Like during the day, you're like,

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I'm gonna have a cup of coffee in the afternoon

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because I know it's gonna be a late night. You

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gotta pace yourself right, get the dog walked, you know,

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get it, get prepared because you're like, no, I'm really

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gonna stay up and I'm going to enjoy myself with

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this freak of I don't know a lot of people,

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am I gonna know? A ton of people know? But

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I got invited and it's like I don't want to

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miss it now. Every time that it happens, though, like

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all four of the times that I've gone, it's like

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I go okay, like and I get there and it's

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like a lot of like drugs and alcohol, and I'm

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like I'm sober, so like I'm not gonna take stuff,

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you know, And then you get accidentally drug that happens.

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You know, you're just think you're eating a brownie, but

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then it's like you start ketamines in it exactly right,

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and then you're like it's now it's like eight o'clock. AGM.

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And you're like, oh, it's gonna be hard to get

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an uber, so you're like, I'm gonna try to stick

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it out wi fi. So it's like like a Janie

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Fox is Halloween barties. I got to call John because

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he didn't want to go, and I'm like, he dropped

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you off, and yeah, I'm like, you're no fun, you know,

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And then I have to like try to call him,

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but then he's like trying to text me, but it's

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not going through, or at least that's what I say.

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Speaker 2: Later, you guys, you need to make a plan. He

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needs to know where to meet you at what time, right,

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But you always want to go early because.

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Speaker 1: You're too tired. Y'all have to get one of my

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mom friends with my Jewish mom friends to go. And

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I'm like, Laura, listen, it's a freak off, Like how

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often are you going to get that opportunity right right?

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Speaker 2: And she's complaining the whole time. Yeah, she's let's get

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the party started. It's eight thirty nine o'clock, Like come on.

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But see, maybe you guys go too early, you know,

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because they don't they have parties like for the kids,

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and then the kids get sent home and then it's

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like then it gets into the then.

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Speaker 1: It gets crazy like later that's when the baby oil

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comes out. Yeah, the freaks come out, like bring your

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own baby oil, Like all right, I gotta stop at CVS,

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like it's a whole thing. I gotta get a card,

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you know, it's a I give him.

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Speaker 2: I bring like four bottles of baby oil with a

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card that I got at Trader Joe's. Yeah, you know, yeah,

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because I don't want to spend, Like the cards at

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CVS are like four ninety nine from reading card, but

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Trader Joe's is like ninety nine cents.

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Speaker 1: And I've made two stops now baby.

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Speaker 2: Oil and you know, yeah, well they don't sell, yes,

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because they don't sell baby oil at Trader jo But you.

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Speaker 1: Can get vitamin E oil. But he did. He is

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super specific. He's like, I want like og like baby

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oil Johnson. Yes, yes, yes, likes the smell. He loves Yeah,

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he loves it. You know what, speaking of oil, good

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kind of oil?

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Oak Essentials Nice. What else do you do with these

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freak offs. Do you wear a white dress? No? No,

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I honestly I will stay till like eight eight thirty

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and then I'm like, I'm so tired. I'm sorry. Oh

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I never I barely ever see him either, Like, yes,

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he's the worst host. He's off like having an orgy.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not gonna like.

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Speaker 2: He's in his bathrobe, he's got a towel around his waist.

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He's holding a towel with one hand and using his

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pimpan with the other.

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Speaker 1: Now, Kaitlyn, you've been to a freak off, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean only once, but yeah with your dad?

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Speaker 1: Was p did like, Michael, what's up? And then he's like,

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this is my son, Kate Lynn.

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Speaker 3: Miss Jamie Fox. That was very cool when I met

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him there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Ashton Kutcher is always there. Yeah,

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now what Aushton Kutcher is always getting himself into some

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bad situations, right, yeah, he.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't had a good track record late right now. He

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had a girlfriend who was murdered by a serial killer.

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Remember that, No, Ashton Kutcher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that. It was in one of those

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It was in one of those Netflix documentaries, right, it

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was one of the one of the notable serial killers.

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Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, a girlfriend. He was dating this girl. I'm

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going to try to remember the story and Kaylin's going

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to google it to so we can do corrections so

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we don't have to issue corrections in the next show. Yeah,

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but he the girl, he was supposed to go over

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to her house and like kind of for a booty call.

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They weren't like boyfriend and girlfriend, but he was like

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kind of seeing her. He goes over to her house.

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She's not answering the door, and he's so he kind

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of like peeks in the window and there's some wines spilled,

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but he's like, yeah, I'm not going to like push it.

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Like he doesn't think that much of it. He just

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thinks like she kind of blow him off, right, And

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then he finds out later that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, she was killed by some yeah, a serial killer

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in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The nickname was the Hollywood Ripper.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember this story.

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So that but then what's the next thing that he

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was also kind of mostly involved with the guy from

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the Scientology guy.

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Speaker 2: Danny Masterson, Yeah, sticking up for him and reading a

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letter to the judging coort to like be go leaning

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on him. That happened, and then now months later his

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other path.

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Speaker 1: Pe p Ditty is pe ditty? Yeah, like what's up?

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What's what?

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Speaker 2: Did he not know how to pick friends? What's wrong

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with denominators?

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Speaker 1: Seems to be Ashton Kutcher?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And there was some like uh uh now

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because I don't know the details. But Britney Murphy away,

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Remember she died and then her fiance died. Yes, And

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was it because they were hanging out with P Diddy?

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Like did they get or Ashton Kutcher like did they

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get the P Diddy flu?

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Speaker 1: Like Jamie Foxx, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's Britney Murphy's store. That Britney Murphy story wasn't that crazy?

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Speaker 1: And if you try to listen to like a podcast

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about it, which I have, you don't get anywhere. They

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never really figured it out, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, how did she? She just she just died

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from pneumonia or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And people thought maybe there was something weird like

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in their house, like they had mold or something. But

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because they were both just doing a lot of drugs, right,

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must have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when you got two people in a

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relationship to pass away, that should be normal in how

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you know, young and healthy.

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Speaker 1: But he was supposed to be abusive. Like it wasn't

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a good situation in the first place. But then yeah,

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but then it was like very mysterious because he does

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they both passed, yeah, within like months of each other.

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And the other weird thing.

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Speaker 2: The other weird thing is is is P Diddy's ex.

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Speaker 1: Wife passes away from pneumonia. What's him? Is that? Her name?

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Kim Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so kim Porter, who I don't was his P

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Diddy's x It might have been x Y. I don't

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know if they're married, but was also Ashton Kutcher's ex.

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Speaker 1: Wait and I'm on an IMDb.

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Speaker 3: Page and it has P Diddy, Ashton Kutcher, Brittany Murphy,

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and kim Porter all in the same picture. O, what

470
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,240
the fuck?

471
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,039
Speaker 1: We we did? We just solving crimes right now.

472
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is IMDb, which is not very reliable, but

473
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,599
still it's.

474
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,599
Speaker 1: It's very reliable. Yeah. I do a lot of good

475
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:05,079
work for them.

476
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, that's okay, that's crazy. Wait, somebody

477
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,480
needs to tail Ashton Kutcher for a while. He has

478
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,119
a lot of bodies.

479
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: I would not want to be anywhere near him.

480
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:23,839
Speaker 3: No, it's not just IMDb. Another headlines, Ashton Kutcher has

481
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,680
two ex girlfriends who died mysteriously friendship with P Diddy.

482
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:34,279
Speaker 2: Rais's questions, Holy shit, what this is breaking news?

483
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,559
Speaker 1: Wow? I don't think people have no shock right now?

484
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,720
Know that. I don't think a lot of people know

485
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:46,000
that we accidentally made these connections. Yeah kind of. Yeah.

486
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,400
Well yeah, Harvey Levan and got nothing on our show. Yeah.

487
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,519
And also he wasn't super great to Demi Moore, now

488
00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,279
I know, Yeah, what's up with him? That is bizarre.

489
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,079
He was cheating on her and like really, yeah, I

490
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,640
read her up to no good. Yeah. Remember we read

491
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,720
her book for book Club Club. Yeah, it was really good.

492
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: It was it was a good really yeah, it's very

493
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,519
one of the Yeah, I remember it was such a

494
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:24,599
good book. But yeah, he wasn't good to her. Uh

495
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,640
that's beause I didn't know that he dated Kim Porter.

496
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:35,319
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But she died when she was with P Diddy. No,

497
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,519
I think they were broken up.

498
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:38,599
Speaker 3: I think it said.

499
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the mom of like a couple of his kids.

500
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,359
I think he has twins with her.

501
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, this is a lot of mysterious. Yes, there

502
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,160
needs to be a documentary about all this. Yeah, and

503
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,640
you know what, you probably have the documentarians killed right.

504
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: It says from ninety four to seven and Porter had

505
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,480
an on and off again relationship with p Diddy. And

506
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,559
she died of pneumonia in twenty eighteen.

507
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: So that is kind of when did Britney Murphy dies?

508
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,200
What I want to know?

509
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: God, like a long time before that. I'm gonna guess

510
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,640
twenty ten. I feel like she died around the time

511
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,480
somebody else, bigger died, you know.

512
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like remember when.

513
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: Pharaphace It died had a Yeah, she died the same

514
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:31,240
age Jack Jackson.

515
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,039
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I was like it came and went, yeah.

516
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:39,559
Speaker 3: You're very close. It's December of nine. I didn't realize

517
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,680
she's oh she was my age thirty two.

518
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: Wowow, that's crazy. That was a long time ago. Yeah,

519
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:53,759
my twins were born in seven. Yeah. I was listening

520
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,960
to Okay, I don't know what's happened. I think it's

521
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,640
just because there's not a lot of new podcast out

522
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,920
so I've been going back and listening to a lot

523
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,880
of you know, we've talked about this. I have the

524
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,599
worst memory. So when I go back and listen to something.

525
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:10,880
I have a faint idea that I liked it and

526
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,799
it's brand new to me. Right, yeah, And I listened

527
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:20,319
to this podcast called Lost Hills, which is about crimes

528
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:26,759
and mysteries that happened in Malibu. Okay, there's a story

529
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:32,119
about this woman named, Oh my god, can you look

530
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,559
up podcast lost Hills because now I'm going to forget

531
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,720
her name. It starts with an M. And she was

532
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:42,440
a miss she what spoiler alert, She was having a

533
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,720
mental break and she went into this restaurant, she went

534
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,559
to Jeoffrey's. Oh yeah, and she kind of was dining

535
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,880
and dashing, but you find out later. And then so

536
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,359
she gets the restaurant has her arrested, not because you

537
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,440
can really have somebody arrested for stealing eighty dollars.

538
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:03,599
Speaker 3: Name's Matrise Richardson.

539
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:09,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matrise Richardson. It's a really fascinating story. So the

540
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,799
police take her into the Lost Hills Police Station, which

541
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,279
is kind of in the middle of nowhere. It's between

542
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,039
it's like south of Calabasas, but between Malibu and Calabasas,

543
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,119
and there's nothing around, right, And they bring her in

544
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,480
and they lock her stuff in her car, so she

545
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,400
her phone and her like purse are locked in her car,

546
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,559
and they bring her to the police station and then

547
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:36,920
they release her. Meanwhile, her mom, who also suffers from

548
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,200
mental illness, is called and the mom's like, well, I

549
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,720
can't come get her or whatever, and then she calls

550
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,400
her grandma to come get her, and the grandma's like,

551
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:49,079
I'm ninety years old and live like an hour away,

552
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,880
So like, hold her until the morning, because this is

553
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,000
like four in the morning, right, And she's like, can

554
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,519
you please hold her until the morning. So they're like, okay,

555
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,400
we will because she can't. The mom too, is like

556
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,160
you can't just release her. She doesn't have any of

557
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,960
her stuff with her, she doesn't have a way to

558
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,079
get anywhere. Yeah, so they're like, okay, no problem. But

559
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
according to the police, they're like, she's like, you can't

560
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,160
hold me on what charges? And they're like okay, yeah,

561
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,440
but why don't you just sleep here. We'll leave the

562
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,519
cell open unlocked, you know, but stay here. She's like nope,

563
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,519
I got to go. I got people to see, I

564
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,640
got things to do. But she was in the middle

565
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,599
of like a total mental break. Then she's never seen again.

566
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,240
Oh my god. And then a year later they find

567
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,799
her remains, and it's still kind of a mystery. There's

568
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,359
some sp if you listen to the whole podcast, there

569
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,960
are some suspects. But they interviewed like a friend of

570
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,240
hers who was saying that she was like completely obsessed

571
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,440
with Michael Jackson really and thought that like, yeah, was

572
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,960
like trying to avenge Michael Jackson's death and like like

573
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,759
had this whole thing about how Michael Jackson was innocent

574
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,759
and she was just very very obsessed with Michael Jackson.

575
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like to a weird usually that mental illness,

576
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,680
they get hyper obsessed or focused on somebody or something

577
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,079
like that.

578
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,759
Speaker 1: Yes, And she had this girlfriend and the girlfriend had said,

579
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:20,079
like you know, she had like kind of lost her

580
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,799
mind and she had all these she was journaling and

581
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,720
saying like crazy things in her journal, and then she

582
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,400
left the journal somewhere where the girlfriend kind of read

583
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,839
it and was very disturbed by it and was trying

584
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,920
to distance herself from my Terece and had gone to

585
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,880
Vegas and the and my Terece was like, I'm gonna

586
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,599
come to Vegas and she was like, no, please, don't.

587
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,680
I'm in Vegas with my friends. And then you hear

588
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:48,279
the journal entries from this girl going, yeah, like as

589
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,440
soon as I get off work today, like I'm going

590
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,279
to just drive to Vegas and it's going to be

591
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,079
like epic and like, you know, I'm going to drive

592
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,240
there at like three in the morning. And then she

593
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:02,680
drives to Vegas and somehow how fines this girl who

594
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920
she thinks is her girlfriend but who is like not

595
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:08,400
interested in her anymore and has been trying to break

596
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,119
up with her, and she just like shows up in

597
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,799
a casino like that morning and it's like what's up, yeah,

598
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:19,200
and it's like a very sad story. And then like

599
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:23,079
next thing, you know, she's just like in Jeffrey's sitting

600
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,400
at random people's tables like ordering all.

601
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: This food like wow, and they arrested her because she

602
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,759
skipped out on the bill.

603
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like, I can't pay the bill. So

604
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,160
she had ordered like eighty dollars worth of food and

605
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,039
then wasn't going to pay, but they called the police

606
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,839
because she was acting so erratically. What year was this

607
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,920
a long time ago? You look up with you it

608
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:58,519
was like I'm gonna say maybe not that maybe like

609
00:33:58,559 --> 00:33:59,799
twenty eighteen.

610
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,799
Speaker 2: Date Ash and Cultcher but probably Well I want to

611
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:04,799
know what happened to her though.

612
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: What are some of the theories of what happened to her?

613
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,159
Speaker 2: One of that there was like a guy there was

614
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,199
like this guy they do his whole backstory who lived

615
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:17,880
in Malibu.

616
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: He had this total criminal record, and I guess he

617
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:29,599
was either seen with her or he there's just there's

618
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,079
a guy who's like a very good suspect for it,

619
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,920
who had a history of like being very abusive to

620
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,880
women and strangling women. And this girl had been strangled, wow,

621
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,360
and was in the vicinity of like where he lived,

622
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,880
and he was he was kind of like had set

623
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,000
up a bunker and she was found basically like where

624
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:53,760
this guy kind of lives.

625
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: Wow, So he's back in. So she made it all

626
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,920
the way back to Malibu.

627
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know, there's no way to know how

628
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,400
she got to where she was found, so people think

629
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,519
that she was brought there. But there was a sighting

630
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:11,000
of her, like she'd she'd wandered to somebody's to like

631
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,119
the back of someone's house. There was a guy who

632
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,400
said she was like sitting on his back porch and

633
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,280
he came out, was like, can I help you or whatever?

634
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,119
And do you want to come in, Like do you

635
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:21,039
need to choose the phone?

636
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: And she was like nope, and like wow, yeah, damn

637
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:27,199
what a story.

638
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: Should listen to it. It's a good podcast because they

639
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,000
do a different stories of different things that have happened

640
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,480
in Malibu.

641
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,119
Speaker 3: They found her remains in January twenty ten.

642
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: Oh so another twenty ten days. Twenty ten was a

643
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,320
bad year.

644
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

645
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: And then also remember when that that the that publicist

646
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,360
was murdered when she was just driving in Beverly Hills,

647
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,440
just like this older lady publicist.

648
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: Remember she was gunned down. Remember it was in the news.

649
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: No, she was just the psch kind of so the

650
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,360
publicist to the stars. And I think she was connected

651
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,159
to P Diddy or Jamie I don't know, but like, yeah,

652
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:08,119
she was gunned down and.

653
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: It still hasn't been solved. Really. Yeah, that's another story

654
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,039
I just thought of.

655
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: Ronnie Chassen.

656
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Yes, very good, Kaylin, Yeah, you're producing the shit out

657
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,000
of this show. Yeah, what what happened?

658
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: So she was a publicist who represented actors Michael Douglass,

659
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,719
musician Hans Zimmer. Hey, Diddy, you want to know about

660
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,559
her death? She was shot in Beverly Hills at twelve

661
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:41,280
thirty am. She was driving from Hollywood premiere the film Burlesque.

662
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like stopped at a light and she

663
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:48,400
was gunned down, like at twelve thirty one o'clock in

664
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,079
Beverly Hills.

665
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: That place is like a ghost town at that time.

666
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,239
That's crazy. Yeah, what does she tupac? I know, That's

667
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,920
what I feel like. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe she

668
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,039
knew some shit. That's a publicist. Mm hmmm. It's weird.

669
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,079
It's not like she's like an attorney, right, you know

670
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,639
what I mean? Yeah, I don't know.

671
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: Apparently the one, the one suspect that they had in

672
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,039
the case, killed himself.

673
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:18,559
Speaker 1: Well there goes that. I got to hear a podcast

674
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:25,599
about that, I know, you know, yeah, I you know

675
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,400
what we should take it. Let's take a quick break

676
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,280
and we're back. Yeah, gosh, I've been re listening to

677
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:40,320
some good podcasts, Like you know, what I listened to

678
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,079
completely from start to finish again was the Nexium podcast

679
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,599
oh Man that they made the vow And then I

680
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:48,000
started watching the vow.

681
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if he listened to that podcast way before

682
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,719
the vowel came out in HBO, right yeah, yeah, And

683
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,840
then they did, so then you started watching that again.

684
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,559
Speaker 1: Then I started watching the vow because I'd forgot. I've

685
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:05,119
forgotten how kind of like unattractive Keith Niroh got his

686
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,559
volleyball like Van Danyer, long hair, like he's just not

687
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,559
cute at all. Like I would give it a little bit.

688
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: I could understand if he was kind of cute, even

689
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,760
if he had like that, you know whatever, like swagger.

690
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,760
He has no swagger, none, nothing, nothing appealing.

691
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,119
Speaker 3: No.

692
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: And it's interesting too with that whole cult because when

693
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,480
you listen to the podcast and when you watch the show,

694
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,320
you kind of see why people get sucked in because

695
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,199
it's like, now, I'm not somebody who enjoys cult type stuff.

696
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,239
I don't like something about me. I just don't.

697
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: I'm not a big follower, right so, and I'm very

698
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,320
cynical about shit like that, you know, But you can

699
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,920
see how people get sucked into it when they're telling

700
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,199
them like, hey, you have some blocks about this, Like

701
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:58,360
you know, you could.

702
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Be making so much more money if you would just

703
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:06,239
release some of your ideas about yourself, some of your beliefs,

704
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,880
you know, and here's how to change these beliefs about

705
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,679
yourself and then these people get like they don't bring

706
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,320
the sex stuff in until wair. They really ease you

707
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,000
into that, and there's a lot of like guys who

708
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,159
are in it. So that's how they trick you, because

709
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,840
they're like, this is really a thing like a science

710
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,360
of the mind kind of you know, and they get

711
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,960
you because it's not it. They do make it about

712
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,239
like science, Like it's not as airy fairy as some

713
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,639
kind of culty stuff. There's not like mother gods involved.

714
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,400
It's about like the science of the brain, like talk

715
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:48,079
therapy basically, but we're going to talk you out of

716
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,559
these beliefs, of these limiting beliefs. And then for a

717
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:55,000
lot of people, like they're men and women that never

718
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,760
get into the sex part of it. It's just that

719
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,599
when you get into that inner circle. When he was

720
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:05,199
starting to yet with Alison Mack, who we all know

721
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,159
tried to get me to try to get you. God

722
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,840
damn it, Stephanie, why didn't you just gotta just check

723
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,119
it out? The thing is, the more I listened to

724
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:16,679
like the podcast and watch the show, the more I'm

725
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:18,639
like skeptical if they were going to try to have

726
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,719
sex with me, I'm worried that they weren't attracted to

727
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,559
me in that way. A I don't think I was

728
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:29,880
thin enough, okay for one, but for two, I realized

729
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,239
that she was originally trying to get me to join Janess,

730
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,920
which was like a week Yeah, yeah, that's right, which

731
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,440
was a wing of it. Now I'm going to hear

732
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,800
about people saying I mispronounced the women's cult. Sorry Jeness okay, everybody.

733
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,039
They say she had some notes she at Jeness at our,

734
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,360
at our Jens meetings, on your tour, on your tour.

735
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:56,559
Speaker 2: Yes, the Geness though that was just for women, right

736
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,719
right right, and just for him and the women.

737
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: But they claimed that the DOS, which was the sex

738
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,519
cult part of it, that's where they branded you if

739
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,639
you were in DOS, that's where you had a slave,

740
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,800
where you were someone slave. Yeah, and then they had

741
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,800
to get collateral for God, you had to say yes,

742
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,400
so you had to tell them. So the one girl,

743
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,519
Lauren calls up Sarah and says, hey, listen, and they're

744
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:26,199
best friends, and she's like, listen, I'm doing this really

745
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,679
cool thing called DOS where it's like if you want

746
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,760
to do everything we're doing, but like fucking next level,

747
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,480
like you're gonna be so freaking free in your mind.

748
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,840
You're going to just be able to achieve so many things.

749
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,280
All you have to do, though, is give me some collateral.

750
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,480
So Sarah is like, okay, cool, cool, my husband's kind

751
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,760
of an asshole sometimes, like, and she's like, nah, it's

752
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,639
gonna have to be like more than that, Like it's

753
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,400
gonna have to be something that could be really bad,

754
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,719
you know, right, Like it's for both of our safety.

755
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,079
It's like, if you don't have some good collateral, like

756
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,400
you're gonna slip back on some of the things I'm

757
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,199
gonna have you do which are for your betterment. Right.

758
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,639
So then she's like, okay, well, I mean my husband

759
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,559
is like really like really an asshole sometimes, and also

760
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,760
my parents. And then and then she makes up. She

761
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,599
ends up making up some stuff. Didn't she take pictures

762
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,199
of herself? Yes? So then she has to take pictures

763
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,719
of herself. And then it's like it gets to the

764
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,920
point where Keith is like not enough, Like it has

765
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,920
to be more than that. So pretty soon she just

766
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,119
like spreads her legs and takes a picture like of

767
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,920
her labia, not without her face in it even, and

768
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:48,119
he's like okay cool. So then and now they have collateral,

769
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,079
so now she has to do anything that she's the

770
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:54,360
slave of her friend, and anytime Lauren tells her to

771
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,960
do anything, she has to do it and say like yes,

772
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:02,000
master or whatever. God, So there's slave and master. Then

773
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,039
eventually Sarah starts to realize that Keith is having sex

774
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,920
with all these women, so then she decides she that's

775
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,480
when she finally decides she kind of wants out, and

776
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,960
then she's like, but dude, you're gonna get rid of

777
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,679
the pictures I sent you, right, And then Lauren says

778
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,320
she will. But then later later his defense, Keith Ranieri's

779
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,079
defenses that like, well, we never used any of the collateral,

780
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,639
to which people like Sarah were like, well, that's even

781
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,239
kind of grosser because then you were using all these

782
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,079
pictures of our vaginas just for your own right, Like

783
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,480
you were never going to like use them as blackmail.

784
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:39,760
You just wanted to like jerk off to them, right.

785
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: But what did these girls think was gonna happen? Like

786
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,800
why would they need to send a picture of their

787
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,199
laby at? Like what do they think?

788
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: Because if they thought that it's going to keep them

789
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,159
accountable to like this bettering themselves like having more discipline,

790
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,280
Like you have to have a real thing at risk,

791
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,000
Like you're not going to do the things we're asking

792
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,039
me to do unless you're scared that we're going to

793
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:04,320
use your collateral against you.

794
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: What the fuck?

795
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: So they did it willingly. But then remember they got

796
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,880
the branding, and then they all realized that they had

797
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,920
branded Keith ray Neary's initials and Alison.

798
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: Alison Max that's the bird, right, that's the crazy part. Yeah, Now,

799
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,519
well do we know for sure that it was Alison?

800
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,920
Is it Alison mac like they did that on purpose or.

801
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,199
Speaker 1: Was it just a No? She was in on it. No,

802
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,280
she was in on the branding, Yes, which is why

803
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,199
I was trying to bring She was the one who

804
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,559
was recruiting women to be in the joss in the

805
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,519
super secret sex part of the cult, which is why

806
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:47,000
she reached out to you. That's what That's what I

807
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,559
originally thought. But then I was like, am I good enough? Like?

808
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:52,280
Am I fit enough? I started having doubts.

809
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: Well, they would have made you thin, They would have

810
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,599
made aren't they Unlike special diets too, they have to

811
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,440
tell them what they're eating every day, Yes, like they

812
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,440
can only eat certain amount of calories.

813
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:06,639
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, if you're in the super secret inner circle

814
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,000
right right, but it is, it's very fascinating, it is,

815
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,719
and it is true, like the guy.

816
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,639
Speaker 2: The weird thing is these guys that join it, you

817
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:21,320
know that because it wasn't like they did sell themselves themselves,

818
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,159
like therapy and science and bettering yourself and yeah, that's

819
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:28,760
a nice outer shell. But then when you get to

820
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,800
the meat of it is when yeah, that's insane.

821
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,159
Speaker 1: But you can kind of you really can see why

822
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,639
people think it seems cool and like they get into

823
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,239
it and then you make all these friends and then

824
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,440
it's like your community, right you know.

825
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the thing. I think a lot of

826
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,079
these cults, I feel like they do. These people that

827
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,679
you know, might have left their families behind or you know,

828
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,960
went to a different city to live and then didn't

829
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:01,280
have a lot, didn't have direction, so they find these

830
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,840
these places. You know, remember there was another kind of

831
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,880
culty place that a woman ran in San Francisco.

832
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the oh the oh yeah, the orgasm cult.

833
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it was an orgasm cult. And it's like

834
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:18,719
I was watching that. I can see that they you know, yeah,

835
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,960
they they become a sense of community. And they become

836
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,000
like a little family. They somebody gets a house at

837
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,280
some point and then everybody comes over to that house

838
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,800
and they all cook together and they all hang out together,

839
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,519
and it looks fun. It looks like fun, you know,

840
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:34,719
like why wouldn't you want to have a group of

841
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,559
friends that you're just in your early twenties and thirties

842
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,480
hanging out with or you know, yeah, I could see,

843
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:41,199
I could see.

844
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: Well, this is why I think a lot of people

845
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,719
think that, you know, like AA and other twelve step

846
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,559
meetings are culty. Like I thought that at the beginning,

847
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:56,159
because it's like it has that same feeling of like community,

848
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,079
and if you go to like the same meetings, like

849
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,880
everybody's super nice to you and they're really trying to

850
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,280
help you and they're like, hey, do you want me

851
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,000
to come over? And like, and it can be very

852
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,360
off putting to people when they're like what do you want?

853
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,039
What do you want from me? But the difference is

854
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,719
there's no leader and it doesn't cost any money. So like,

855
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,599
because I used to say that, in my mind, I'd

856
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,719
be like, God, how is this not a cult? Like

857
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,360
why are these people so nice? Why is everybody so supportive?

858
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,360
And like being together, and it also is like improves

859
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,599
your mind and it's a different way to think about things.

860
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,559
But so I would really have to sit there sometimes

861
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,920
and go okay, okay, but it isn't actually a cult

862
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:40,239
because nobody's asking me for anything, and I can leave

863
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,880
any time I want. It doesn't positive anything. Nobody asked

864
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,320
me for a picture of my life. I mean I

865
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,079
gave I took them. I send them out on the

866
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,840
off chance, you know what I mean, because you don't

867
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,840
know for sure. And then people would be like, why

868
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,960
did you send me this? And they'd be like, what

869
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,199
do you mean, why are you saying you don't want it? Yeah,

870
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,199
you had like a little like you came with your

871
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,440
little briefcase picture.

872
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: Yep.

873
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wore like special like white robes and they're like,

874
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,119
you know you could just wear like sweats or jeans

875
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,039
or whatever, and I'd be like no, no, no, like

876
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,800
it's cool. I know you guys want me to prefer me. Yeah.

877
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: Or you were taking those vitamins that that are the

878
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:24,599
silver vitamins that make you purple.

879
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,559
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's a cult.

880
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: That's like I mean the mother that was a cult

881
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,159
of like two people by the way, right, Like she

882
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,719
only had like a couple of people.

883
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: Well they yeah, and then they all lived in that house.

884
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: And then they yeah, then they kind of died off

885
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,400
and it was down to like two people, yes, yes,

886
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,199
and then she died and the part of her lotty Yeah.

887
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,519
Speaker 1: They left her in the house for like weeks, remember,

888
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,880
and they just like kept putting flowers around her, and

889
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,039
she was fully purple.

890
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: Yes, at what point do you're taking this silver souf?

891
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,119
At what point do you go like that doesn't seem

892
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:05,719
like healthy right where your skin is turning purple, you

893
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,000
look like a grape, right.

894
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: And you're so sick because remember she was just like.

895
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: A horrible alcoholic Oh yeah, that's right, right, yeah, and

896
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,480
they were called was like, yeah, she just wanted to

897
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,079
hang out all day and drink and have people just

898
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,639
do shit for her, yes, and then just started to

899
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,639
call it her cult, right.

900
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is so confusing to me how people are like, yes,

901
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,440
I'm in I would love to travel with you guys.

902
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,679
What like, what is the a try that's not even

903
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,800
like a mind thing where you're like, oh, but I'm

904
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,440
also making some cool break right, Like you're just like,

905
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,199
what is the breakthrough. You're like, I'm out in the

906
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,679
backyard hoeing the hoeing the yard, Like, yeah, I know,

907
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,719
where's that breakthrough? There's no science behind that. No. Wow,

908
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:56,079
they're not making money.

909
00:49:56,119 --> 00:50:02,159
Speaker 2: They're not doing you know, spreadsheets and you know power points.

910
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:06,519
Speaker 1: Nothing. Now even like with the Heaven's Gate people. I've

911
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,039
listened to that podcast several times through. If you're interested,

912
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,360
it's just called Heaven's Gate. It is a freaking phenomenal podcast.

913
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,400
You think you've heard the story, but you hear from

914
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,639
like people's families and how they Oh my god, these

915
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:23,800
people really were one hundred percent willing. Now you got

916
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,239
these leaders who call themselves t and do right and

917
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,960
are just bizarre people. But they like it's a Jim

918
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:37,360
Jones type like yeahre charismatic and but like at what

919
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,559
point when the guy goes, hey, it's really bad that

920
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,840
we have any sexual desire, so let's like lap straight. Yeah,

921
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,079
And these people are like, I'll go, I'll do it,

922
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,320
Like how do I sign up? And they're like, we're

923
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,000
not going to do it at a hospital or with

924
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,360
a doctor or anything. We just got a guy who's like,

925
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:57,440
I don't know, I've never done it.

926
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,599
Speaker 2: People, right, Yeah, yeah, I know, that's right.

927
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: They were like, I'll go first, I'll go first. Yeah,

928
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,079
they were arguing over who got to do it first,

929
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,119
right to get their their ship their junk cut off.

930
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,239
You don't understand like that. So all you're getting is

931
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,840
a sense of community, which I feel like, go to church,

932
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,960
I know, I know, go to any like group that, Like,

933
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,599
there's so many more ways join a club, like join

934
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:26,840
the rotary club, Like why are you like no these

935
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,599
people though, no. And that was another cult.

936
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: That cult didn't have any sex. They wanted everybody to

937
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,719
look alike, right, that that was weird. That's the one

938
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,800
cult that I you know, one of the rare cults

939
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,280
that didn't involve sex.

940
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Speaker 1: And if you came in as a couple, they would

941
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:46,559
like make you break up.

942
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,639
Speaker 2: Right, right, And like all the women, everybody had their

943
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,159
hair cut the same way, they're all dressed the same way.

944
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, where did they get the money for the nikes?

945
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,960
They had jobs? Oh that's right, they let them have jobs.

946
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,000
But then they'd have to take all their money that

947
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:03,639
they make and just come back and bring it to

948
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:04,039
the group.

949
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 2: Right, So somebody had to go on and like a

950
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,840
foot lock or run And.

951
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,679
Speaker 1: Why would the Nikes, Like I didn't get that. Then

952
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,840
they were all purple. They weren't purple Nikeys. They had

953
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,480
to special order them, I think, and they had the

954
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:21,199
purple shroud over them, right, yeah, or maybe they had purple. Yeah,

955
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,039
I'm pretty sure it was purple nikes. Yeah. That cult

956
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,639
is so I mean, I know there's a lot of

957
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,760
them like that. But that was so sad because the

958
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,440
parents these people would sometimes come home for a little

959
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,599
bit and then just be like, Okay, it was good

960
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,079
to see you going back to the colt ye and

961
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:41,039
then they would sometimes call home and the you know,

962
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:45,920
they the families would bring in like cult deprogrammers to

963
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,559
give them advice, right, and they'd be like you cannot

964
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,199
say like when are you know you need to come

965
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,960
home or you know, but you have to talk to

966
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,199
them like okay, that sounds great, yeah, like would you

967
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,239
put and they have a trick them, like one of

968
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,079
the parents was like grandma really would love to see you,

969
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,039
like she's not doing very well, and then the daughter

970
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,079
would be like, oh, sorry to hear that. Yeah, yeah,

971
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:16,360
I'm not coming home though, right right. That was sad.

972
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that whole thing was sad and then

973
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,840
there was the Twin Flames cult.

974
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, which you're still operating to this day. So I've

975
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,159
been talking about this on my other podcast. But you

976
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,440
have heard of this girl, Hannah Kobayashi, right, yeah, the chick,

977
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:37,000
right yeah? No, but what the one who's missing, the

978
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,199
one who missed a flight from the one who came

979
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:43,119
from Hawaii. No, you haven't heard of this girl. Well,

980
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,519
Hannah is a huge story. Hannah the girl in the

981
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,880
Twin Flames or no. No, this is a current story

982
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,079
that is going on right now. There's a missing woman.

983
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,639
I can't believe you haven't heard of this. So okay,

984
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,199
this is a crazy story. Been talking about it over

985
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,480
on a Borde and Rose Pricks because Cecily is like,

986
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,920
we're kind of obsessed with this case. Okay, So this girl,

987
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,960
her name's Hannah Kobayashi. She flew from Hawaii. This is

988
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,159
an ongoing thing. It just happened November tenth. She went missing.

989
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,639
She flew in from Hawaii, was supposed to be connecting

990
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:21,280
in Lax and going to New York. She was with

991
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:26,280
an ex boyfriend. Disappeared at Lax, never did never got

992
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,079
on her connecting flight. But she's been seen she's having

993
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,840
some kind of mental health thing, but she has all

994
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,559
these connections to the Twin Flames cult. Oh boy, but

995
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,280
there's all these weird she was sending like very weird

996
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:46,360
cryptic texts to different friends. Her phone was seen at Lax,

997
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,559
but then she was spotted at the Grove and the

998
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,519
police are saying that she purposely didn't get on the

999
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:56,159
flight to New York and the ex boyfriend has been

1000
00:54:56,159 --> 00:55:00,760
totally cleared. There's video footage of her like in Lax

1001
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:05,000
and at the grove at some like weird like Nike

1002
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,880
really yeah, it's connected to Nike's really yeah. Can you

1003
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,920
look up Hannah Kobayashi ko b a y a s

1004
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:20,400
hi and see if there's any update like as of today. Wow,

1005
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:24,719
So she was on her way to New York but not.

1006
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,519
But so she said that she's talking to her friend

1007
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:31,360
and she's like this is some like deep matrix shit

1008
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,519
that's got The friend is like, hey, what's going on?

1009
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,199
Where are you? And she's like that one text she

1010
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,519
said she'd thinks somebody stole her identity, and another text

1011
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,000
she's saying she's going to the Redwood forests, but it's

1012
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:46,920
about the Twin Flames Wow, she's been in all these

1013
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,400
like twins, she's in a twin Flames group. Hmmm.

1014
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,199
Speaker 3: And I'm not seeing too many updates the stories wide

1015
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,400
and out there. There's a lot of different articles about it,

1016
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,599
from a go to four hours ago to sixty minutes ago.

1017
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:06,599
Speaker 2: But well, it could be you know, maybe this this

1018
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:11,159
woman is not mentally well, no, she's definitely not. And

1019
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:15,079
then you know, so maybe the twin Flames might just

1020
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:20,480
be a part of the you know, her whole mental illness,

1021
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:24,400
you know, and may I mean, yeah, but the twin Flames.

1022
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: They say he's very creepy. It is very creepy.

1023
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe maybe I don't know, are they saying

1024
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:36,639
that they have something to do with it, or she's

1025
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:40,559
just a mentally ill person that follows twin Flames?

1026
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, I don't know. It's it's we've been doing

1027
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:47,239
some deep dives. Some people think that yeah, she's just

1028
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,480
wanted to go do her own thing and not be

1029
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,519
caught found. But some people think she was abducted. Like

1030
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,239
this is a lot of theories. Go look it up.

1031
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:01,320
It's crazy, all right. Yeah, Wow, we.

1032
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,159
Speaker 2: Dug deep Yeah, we did. We saw the show I wrote.

1033
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,079
We did some news breaking.

1034
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: We solve some murders. We I think by the time

1035
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,119
you listen to this, hopefully Ashton Kutcher has been arrested, right,

1036
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,199
you know, if there's any justice. Yeah, But let's talk

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