1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Picture this if you will. A massive explosion powerful enough 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,800 to completely flatten area the size of let's say Rhode Island, trees, 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,679 everything just wiped out. Wow. But here's a catch. No crater, 4 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:16,800 absolutely no trace of what caused it. And that's exactly 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,160 what happened back in nineteen oh eight in Siberia, place 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,280 called Tunguska. It's one of those enduring mysteries, you know. 7 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Taguska event. I've heard about that. It's like 8 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:27,160 one of the great unsolved scientific enigmas. 9 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And to add another layer of intrigue, let's bring 10 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:34,359 in Nikola Tesla. A brilliant mind, no doubt, but he 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,920 was working on some let's just say, pretty radical ideas. 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: Oh I know where you're going with this. Tesla radical 13 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:43,679 ideas and a mysterious explosion. There has to be a connection. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: Well, that's what we're going to dig into today. We're 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,079 diving deep and Tentacle had Tesla's later work, not just 16 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:53,159 the acy electricity stuff he's famous for, but his more hmm, 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,679 how should I put it? Ambitious research, the. 18 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: Stuff that gets people talking, right, the kind of research 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,200 that blurs the lines between science and well maybe even 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,119 science fiction exactly. 21 00:01:02,799 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about wireless energy, the potential for technologies 22 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:09,239 that could influence the atmosphere, even the Earth itself, And 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,079 some of the sources you sent they suggest a possible 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,200 link between Tesla's work and events like Tunguska. 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: It's fascinating stuff, and while some of it might seem well, 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,959 a little out there, I think it's important to remember 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,879 that Tesla was a true visionary. He was way ahead 28 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:26,359 of his time. 29 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:30,079 Speaker 1: He was. So let's start with Tesla's big dream. I mean, 30 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,599 we all know he changed the world with acy electricity, 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,599 but his vision was much bigger than just lighting up homes. 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,200 He wanted to create a global system for wireless power. 33 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Wardencliffe Tower. That was his grand experiment. Not 34 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,879 just for radio transmission, mind you, but for beaming electrical 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,719 power across the entire planet. Imagine that free energy for everyone, 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,799 anywhere in the world. 37 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: It's an incredible concept. And he actually demonstrated wireless power, didn't. 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: He He did back in eighteen ninety three at the 39 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:00,719 Ways Fair in Chicago. He lit up floor rscant tubes 40 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,480 without any wires, completely wirelessly. People were amazed. It was 41 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,239 like magic. 42 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: It must have been an incredible sight, So how did 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,599 he think he could pull off something as ambitious as 44 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:13,479 a global wireless power grid. 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: Tesla had this theory that the Earth itself could act 46 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,039 as a conductor, like a giant electrical circuit, and he 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,479 believed the ionosphere played a key role. 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,199 Speaker 1: The ionosphere remind us what that is again? 49 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,719 Speaker 2: Sure, it's a layer of charged particles high up in 50 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:30,199 the atmosphere. It's sort of like an electrically active shell 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,680 around the Earth. Tesla thought that by pumping energy into 52 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:36,560 this layer at the right frequency, he could create a 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,360 kind of global resonance system, a way to transmit power 54 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:42,800 wirelessly across vast distances. 55 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: Interesting, so the Earth is a giant conductor and the 56 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,840 honosphere as a kind of amplifier. It's a pretty bold idea. 57 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: It is. And what's even more remarkable is that the 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,919 Earth does have a natural resonant frequency around seven point 59 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,000 eighty three hertz. It's called a Schumann resonance and it 60 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:01,240 was scientifically confirmed in the nineteen five fifties. So Tesla 61 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,080 was definitely onto something about the Earth's electrical properties. 62 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: So if his theory wasn't completely off base, what stopped 63 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,759 him from actually building this global wireless power system. 64 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:14,719 Speaker 2: Well money for one thing, His main backer, JP Morgan, 65 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,199 eventually pulled the plug on the project. Why it came 66 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,479 down to the fundamental problem of how to meter and 67 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:24,520 charge for free energy. Morgan famously asked, if anyone can 68 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:26,280 draw on the power, where do we put the meter? 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,479 The idea of electricity that you couldn't control and bill 70 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,759 for just didn't fit with his business model. 71 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,719 Speaker 1: I could see how that would be a problem, and 72 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:39,159 without Morgan's funding, Tesla's dream project, Wardencliffe Tower was never completed. 73 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a huge setback for Tesla, and you 74 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:44,639 can't help but wonder what might have been if he 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:45,400 had succeeded. 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now fast forward to the nineteen thirties Tesla's later years, 77 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,680 he claimed to have invented something he called Teleforce. The media, 78 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:56,719 of course, sensationalized it as the death ray Right. 79 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,599 Speaker 2: He envisioned a powerful directed energy weapon that could destroy 80 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,680 targets from hundreds of miles away. It sounds like something 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,400 out of science fiction, but Tesla was convinced he had 82 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:09,199 figured it out. He even presented it as a potential 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,280 deterrent to war, a way to which chief peace through 84 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:13,800 superior firepower. 85 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: A rather paradoxical idea a weapon so powerful it would 86 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,800 prevent war exactly. 87 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: And while many were skeptical, it's clear that Tesla truly 88 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:26,519 believed in the potential of his teleforce to change the world. 89 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: And then in nineteen forty three Tesla passed away. What 90 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,839 happened to his research after his death. 91 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,079 Speaker 2: Well, things get a little murky here. The FBI, along 92 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,680 with representatives from the Office of Alien Property Custodian, they 93 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,720 swooped in and seized all of Tesla's papers, notes, everything. 94 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,399 They were worried that his research, especially anything related to 95 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:50,680 this death ray technology, might fall into the wrong hands. 96 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: So the government was clearly interested in the potential military 97 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,160 applications of Tesla's work, even if they weren't entirely sure 98 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,360 what they had right. 99 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,199 Speaker 2: And this is where doctor John Trump. 100 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: The picture, as in the uncle of well you know, yes. 101 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: That doctor John Trump. He was an accomplished electrical engineer himself. 102 00:05:07,439 --> 00:05:10,600 The government tasked him with reviewing Tesla's papers to see 103 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:13,279 if there was anything of significant military value. 104 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: And what was his conclusion. 105 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: He concluded that Tesla's research, while interesting, didn't contain any 106 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:23,519 groundbreaking scientific breakthroughs that would be immediately useful for military purposes. 107 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:27,759 He basically dismissed it as not being practical for weapon 108 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,240 development at that time. 109 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: But some people dispute that assessment. 110 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: Well. Absolutely, Many researchers and Tesla enthusiasts argue that doctor 111 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,319 Trump's review might have been too hasty or perhaps even 112 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:42,199 intentionally downplayed the true potential of Tesla's work, maybe to 113 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,759 cover up the fact that the government was indeed very 114 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:45,959 interested in pursuing it. 115 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,639 Speaker 1: Further, It's a classic conspiracy theory setup, isn't it. The 116 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,800 government swooping in, confiscating sensitive research, then claiming it's nothing special. 117 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: It definitely has all the elements, and it gets even 118 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,240 more intriguing when you consider that just a couple of 119 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,720 years later, the military launched Project Nick. 120 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: Project Nick, what was that about? 121 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: It was a top secret research program based at Wright 122 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,759 Patterson Air Force Base. Its specific goal was to investigate 123 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,759 the feasibility of Tesla's particle beam weapon concept, the death ray. 124 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:18,879 Speaker 1: So, despite doctor Trump's assessment that Tesla's work wasn't of 125 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,240 military value, the military went ahead and started a secret 126 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,000 project to explore it anyway. 127 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: It seems that way, which raises the question, what were 128 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,480 they really looking for and did they find anything. The 129 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,480 details of Project NICK remained classified to this day, and Project. 130 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: NICK wasn't the only one, right. There was also Project. 131 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:39,879 Speaker 2: Seesaw YES, launched by DARPA in nineteen fifty eight. Project 132 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,680 Seesaw was another heavily funded program focusing on particle beam technology, 133 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,199 very similar in concept to Tesla's Deathray, and like Project Nick, 134 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,519 it was shrouded in secrecy before being quietly shut down. 135 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:56,480 The fate of the research conducted under these projects remains 136 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,000 a mystery. 137 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:00,199 Speaker 1: It's as if the idea of a powerful directed energy 138 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,319 weapon a death rate just vanished into the black hole 139 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,360 of classified research. 140 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:07,199 Speaker 2: It's a very intriguing thread to follow, it is, and. 141 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: It leads us to something much more recent and equally controversial. 142 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: HARP or HARP the High Frequency act of Arural Research program. 143 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:17,720 It's located in Alaska, and it's been the subject of 144 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,040 a lot of speculation and conspiracy theories. 145 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,759 Speaker 1: Some people see it as a modern day manifestation of 146 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,279 Tesla's ideas a way to manipulate the atmosphere and even 147 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:29,879 the Earth itself using powerful electromagnetic energy. 148 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: It's not hard to see why people make that connection. 149 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,439 HARP is a very powerful facility. It has an array 150 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,639 of high frequency antennas that can beam energy into the ionosphere, 151 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,279 that same electrically charged layer of the atmosphere that Tesla 152 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:45,319 was so interested in. 153 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,759 Speaker 1: The official line is that it's purely for scientific research, 154 00:07:49,319 --> 00:07:52,079 but the material you've shared points to some intriguing patents 155 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,879 filed by a physicist named Bernard Eastland back in the 156 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:57,720 nineteen eighties. What did those patents describe? 157 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: Eastland's patents laid out a method for us powerful radio 158 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:04,519 waves to heat specific areas of the ionosphere. The idea 159 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,399 was that by altering the electrical properties of those areas, 160 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:10,279 you could create what he called an electromagnetic lens in 161 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:13,319 the sky. This lens could then be used to bend 162 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,920 and redirect radio waves, potentially for over the horizon communication 163 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,560 or even for disrupting enemy communications. And that's not all. 164 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:24,439 Eastland's patents also discussed the possibility of influencing weather patterns 165 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:26,279 by manipulating atmospheric currents. 166 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,879 Speaker 1: So the possibility of using this technology for things like 167 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,960 weather modification was explicitly mentioned in Eastlands patents. 168 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: It was, and while HARP officials have always denied that 169 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,879 the facility is used for anything other than scientific research. 170 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:44,279 The connection to Eastland's patents and his publicly acknowledged claims 171 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,720 about the military's interest in his work certainly raise some eyebrows, 172 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:48,080 and to. 173 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,399 Speaker 1: Add another layer of intrigue, who was funding eastlands research? 174 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,519 Initially it was. 175 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: Actually Arco Technologies, an oil company with vast natural gas 176 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:00,600 reserves in Alaska. They saw Eastland's invention as a way 177 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:04,120 to potentially convert their natural gas into the enormous amounts 178 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,759 of electricity needed to power his proposed ionosphere heating technology. 179 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,799 We're talking about potentially using enough natural gas to power 180 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,120 the entire United States for a year. That gives you 181 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:15,759 an idea of the scale they were considering. 182 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: That's an incredible amount of energy. So we have a 183 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,200 powerful technology that could potentially be used for weather modification 184 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,960 or even as a weapon, and it's being funded by 185 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,879 an oil company with a vested interest in finding ways 186 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:32,720 to use massive amounts of energy. It definitely starts to 187 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,600 sound like the plot of a thriller movie. 188 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: It does. And then there's the fact that Eastland himself, 189 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,799 before he passed away, stated publicly that HARP was the 190 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:45,360 perfect first step toward realizing his vision. Strongly hinting at 191 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,519 a military interest that went beyond mere scientific curiosity. He 192 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,799 even mentioned the involvement of powerful. 193 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:53,879 Speaker 1: People, and when you look at later patents that build 194 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,240 upon Eastland's work, the potential military applications become even more explicit. 195 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,039 Speaker 2: Exactly, for example, the tech chnology could be used to 196 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,799 create effects similar to a nuclear EMP that's an electromagnetic 197 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:07,399 pulse that can fry electronics, but without the need for 198 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,600 a nuclear detonation. It could also be used to communicate 199 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,080 with submarines deep underwater using extremely low frequency waves or ELF, 200 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,360 which can penetrate the ocean, and it could potentially enhance 201 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,879 over the horizon radar systems, allowing them to see much farther. 202 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: By the mid nineteen nineties, the US Air Force was 203 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,559 openly discussing the idea of owning the weather as a 204 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,559 military strategy. The Even Publisher report titled Weather as a 205 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,799 Force Multiplier Owning the Weather in twenty twenty five, explicitly 206 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,399 stating that weather modification would likely become a key aspect 207 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,960 of both national and international security. 208 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: It's quite a chilling thought, the idea of controlling the 209 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,120 weather as a weapon, but it's not entirely unprecedented. During 210 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,039 the Vietnam War, the US military conducted Operation Popeye, a 211 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:56,600 cloud seating program aimed at prolonging the monsoon season over 212 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,720 the Ho Chi Minh Trail to disrupt enemy supply lines. 213 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:02,559 So the concept of weaponizing the weather has been. 214 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,519 Speaker 1: Around for a while, and now we see countries like 215 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,360 Dubai experimenting with rain making using electricity and drones. It 216 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,879 almost feels like science fiction is becoming reality. 217 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: It does make you wonder how far we've actually come 218 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:15,679 in our ability to influence the weather, and if HARP 219 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,799 is capable of what some people claim, it would represent 220 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:21,159 a significant leap forward in that capability. 221 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: One of the most alarming claims about HARP is that 222 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:28,519 it could trigger major weather disasters like hurricanes or even earthquakes, 223 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,559 but critics point out that its power output seems far 224 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,120 too small to have such large scale effects. 225 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: That's a valid point. Harp's output is powerful, but it's 226 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,480 dwarfed by the sheer energy involved in natural phenomena like 227 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,960 hurricanes or earthquakes. It doesn't seem plausible that it could 228 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,240 directly cause such events. However, there's the concept of chaos 229 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:51,639 theory and the butterfly effect to consider. 230 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:54,279 Speaker 1: Right the idea that small changes in a complex system 231 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,600 can have large and unpredictable consequences. 232 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: Exactly, and proponents of harp's potential for large gale effects 233 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:04,519 argue that by precisely targeting certain sensitive areas of the ionosphere, 234 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:07,840 it might be possible to trigger much larger chain reactions 235 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,919 in the atmosphere or even within the Earth's crust. It's 236 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:14,039 not about brute force, but about understanding and exploiting the 237 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:16,120 inherent instabilities within these systems. 238 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:19,799 Speaker 1: So it's not about directly creating a hurricane, but maybe 239 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:22,320 nudging atmospheric conditions in a way that could make a 240 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,200 hurricane more likely to form. 241 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: Precisely, it's about finding the right leverage points, the critical frequencies, 242 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:32,080 and the areas of instability that could amplify a small 243 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:34,399 input into a much larger effect. 244 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: But even the possibility of intentionally influencing the weather in 245 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,720 such a way raises serious ethical concerns, especially when you 246 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:45,759 consider the UN's stance on environmental modification for military purposes. 247 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, the UN has been very clear in its condemnation 248 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:53,639 of any attempts to weaponize the environment. In nineteen seventy seven, 249 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,159 they adopted the environmental modification Convention, which explicitly prohibits the 250 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:02,320 use of environmental modification techniques for hostile purposes, and beginning 251 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,279 in nineteen ninety nine, the UN has specifically addressed HARP 252 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,559 in multiple resolutions, expressing concerns about its potential for environmental 253 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,759 manipulation and calling for greater transparency and international oversight. 254 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: And how has the US military responded to these UN 255 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:17,519 resolutions and concerns. 256 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: They've continued to operate HARP, maintaining that it's primarily a 257 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,720 research facility, but it's also been reported that both Russia 258 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,879 and China are developing their own ionospheric heating facilities, which 259 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,360 suggests that there may be a perceived strategic advantage to 260 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,679 this technology, leading to a kind of arms race in 261 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,399 this area. 262 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: Beyond weather manipulation, the sources we have also suggest that 263 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:43,399 HARP could be used to probe deep within the Earth. 264 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:44,399 How does that work? 265 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,159 Speaker 2: By pulsing radio waves at specific frequencies, HARP can generate 266 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,279 extremely low frequency waves or ELF. These waves can penetrate 267 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,320 deep into the Earth and even into the oceans. 268 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,039 Speaker 1: What would be the purpose of doing that? 269 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: Well, it could be used to locate things underground, like 270 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:05,279 hidden military bases, tunnels or even submerged submarines. ELF waves 271 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:08,639 are particularly good at penetrating water, which makes them ideal 272 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:09,639 for submarine detection. 273 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: And the sources go even further, suggesting that HARP could 274 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,320 potentially trigger earthquakes by targeting geological fault lines with these 275 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,279 ELF waves. 276 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,039 Speaker 2: That's where the idea of resonant frequency comes in. Every 277 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,679 object has a natural frequency at which it vibrates most easily. 278 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,799 If you expose an object to vibrations that it's resonant frequency, 279 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:32,919 those vibrations can amplify, sometimes to the point of causing damage. 280 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,639 It's like the classic example of an opera singer shattering 281 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:36,879 a glass with her voice. 282 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,679 Speaker 1: So the theory is that HARP could find the resonant 283 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,759 frequencies of fault lines and then target them with ELF waves, 284 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:45,480 potentially triggering an earthquake. 285 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: That's the idea, and while it might sound far fetched, 286 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,039 it's based on sound scientific principles. The question is whether 287 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,360 HARP is powerful enough and precise enough to actually do that. 288 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: The source material makes an interesting comparison. It mentions that 289 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:01,799 just thirty wants power can be used to send low 290 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,840 frequency waves into the earth for oil and gas exploration. 291 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:08,559 Then it contrasts that with HARPS billions of wats being 292 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:12,200 directed at the ionosphere. It's a stark difference in scale it. 293 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: Is, and it raises the question if thirty watts can 294 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,919 have a detectable effect, what could billions of watts potentially do. 295 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:22,080 Of course, the Earth's crust is much more complex than 296 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,320 a uniform oil field, so it's not a simple one 297 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,399 to one comparison, but it does make you think about 298 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:28,679 the potential energy. 299 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: Involved and the source material also cites some specific seismic 300 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,480 events like the twenty ten Haiti earthquake, the two thousand 301 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:38,159 and eight Sishuan earthquake in China, and the twenty eleven 302 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,720 Fukushima earthquake in Sunani in Japan, suggesting that there might 303 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,639 be a correlation between these events and reported ionospheric anomalies 304 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:49,639 detected around the same time, possibly linked to HARP activity. 305 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: There have been some intriguing observations. For instance, after the 306 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,639 Haiti earthquake, there were reports of unusual electromagnetic disturbances in 307 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:01,639 the ionosphere, and former Venezuelan President Hugo Shavez even publicly 308 00:16:01,639 --> 00:16:04,279 accused the US of using HARP to trigger the earthquake. 309 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Though those claims were widely dismissed by the scientific community. Similarly, 310 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,720 there are reports of ionospheric anomalies around the times of 311 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,600 these Sichuan and Fukushima earthquakes, leading some researchers to speculate 312 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:17,159 about a possible connection to HARP. 313 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:20,679 Speaker 1: But again, correlation doesn't equal causation exactly. 314 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: It's very difficult to prove a direct link between HARP 315 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,639 activity and these complex geological events. But it's interesting that 316 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,240 China seems to be taking the possibilities seriously. They launched 317 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:35,039 a satellite in twenty eighteen specifically to study the relationship 318 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:40,639 between ionospheric disturbances and earthquakes, and Chinese scientists have published 319 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,879 papers examining potential correlations between ionospheric heating experiments and seismic 320 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,200 activity in China. 321 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: So the possibility of HARP or similar technology being used 322 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,759 to influence earthquakes, or at least being able to detect 323 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,600 them in advance, is something that's being actively researched. 324 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:58,679 Speaker 2: It seems that way. It's a topic that warrants for 325 00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,519 other investigation. 326 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,159 Speaker 1: Let's talk about perhaps the most unsettling aspect of HARP, 327 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,799 the possibility that it could be used to influence the 328 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,559 human mind. 329 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: It's certainly the most controversial claim, and it's based on 330 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:12,599 the fact that the human brain operates within a specific 331 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:16,559 range of electromagnetic frequencies, the ELF range, which, as we discuss, 332 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,599 HARP can generate. 333 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,319 Speaker 1: And the concern is that these ELF waves could potentially 334 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,799 interfere with our brain activity, influencing our thoughts and behaviors. 335 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: That's the fear, and there's a well documented neurological phenomenon 336 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,359 called frequency following response or FFR, where the brain tends 337 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,319 to synchronize its own electrical activity to match an external 338 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,240 RHYTHMXED stimulus, like a pulsating electromagnetic field. Some researchers, like 339 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:43,720 doctor Nick Begich, who has written extensively about HARP, suggests 340 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,200 that this could lead to the brain locking onto external signals, 341 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:50,279 potentially altering brain chemistry and cognitive states. 342 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:53,599 Speaker 1: So the idea is that by beaming ELF waves at 343 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,839 specific frequencies, HARP could potentially manipulate people's thoughts and emotions 344 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:58,759 on a large scale. 345 00:17:58,839 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: It's a disturbing thought, and it's not entirely without scientific basis. 346 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:06,440 Research conducted in the nineteen eighties by doctor Michael Persinger, 347 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:09,200 some of which was funded by the US Navy showed 348 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,319 that weak electromagnetic fields, when applied to certain areas of 349 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,839 the brain, could induce altered states of consciousness in some individuals, 350 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,920 including experiences described as religious or even hallucinatory. This research, 351 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:24,920 along with the fact that HARP can generate ELF waves, 352 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,960 prompted the European Parliament to issue a resolution in nineteen 353 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:31,440 ninety nine expressing concerns about the potential for technologies like 354 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,440 HARP to be used for manipulation and mind control. 355 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,599 Speaker 1: It's interesting that, despite these concerns from international bodies like 356 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:40,920 the European Parliament, the US military has remained largely silent 357 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,400 on the issue of harp's potential effects on the human mind. 358 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: It's a pattern we see repeated throughout history. Governments often 359 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,640 deny the existence of controversial research programs until they're eventually exposed. 360 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:56,359 Remember mk Ultra, the CIA's mind control experiments. They denied 361 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,920 those for years before the truth came out. And it's 362 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,920 worth noting that a RUSH military journal published an article 363 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,359 in nineteen ninety eight, which was later republished by the 364 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,400 US Army War College, warning about the potential for electromagnetic 365 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,000 weapons that could target the human mind. They specifically stated 366 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:15,079 that the mind has no firewall against such attacks. 367 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: So, after considering all the evidence in the various arguments, 368 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,519 where do you stand on HARP? Is it a harmless 369 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,680 research facility or is there something more to it? 370 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's safe to say that HARP is 371 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:28,400 a real and very powerful technology with the potential for 372 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,200 both beneficial and potentially harmful applications. It's been primarily funded 373 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,319 and operated by defense agencies, and the patents that form 374 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,599 its foundation clearly describe methods from manipulating the environment, including 375 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,720 weather modification and earth penetrating techniques. And while the most 376 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:48,599 extreme claims like directly causing earthquakes or controlling minds might 377 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,240 seem far fetched, the underlying science is intriguing and certainly 378 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:57,000 warrants further investigation. The real problem is the lack of transparency. 379 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,519 Speaker 1: The secrecy surrounding HARP only fuels speculation. 380 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:02,759 Speaker 2: And distrust exactly, and it makes you wonder what they're 381 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:05,640 not telling us. If it's truly just a harmless research facility, 382 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,079 why all the secrecy, Why the resistance to international oversight. 383 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,799 Speaker 1: The transfer of harp's ownership to the University of Alaska, 384 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:16,039 Fairbanks in twenty fifteen was presented as a move towards 385 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:19,400 greater transparency, but some argue that it was more about 386 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,160 rebranding the facility and distancing it from its controversial past. 387 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,799 Speaker 2: There's evidence to suggest that some sensitive equipment might have 388 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:30,279 been removed before the transfer, so it's unclear how much 389 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:31,680 transparency there really is. 390 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that the truth about 391 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,359 HARP probably lies somewhere between the narrative of pure scientific 392 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,400 research and the more alarming claims of it being a 393 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,640 weapon of mass destruction. 394 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: I agree, and I think the most important takeaway is 395 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:48,559 that we need more transparency and open discussion about technologies 396 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,839 like HARP. We need to understand their full capabilities and 397 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,200 potential consequences before we go too far down this road. 398 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: Well said, So to wrap up this deep dive, I 399 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,359 think we've covered a lot of ground. From Tesla's vision 400 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,759 to wireless power to the controversial realities of HARP. We've 401 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:09,319 explored some fascinating and potentially disturbing possibilities. The key takeaway 402 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,799 for me, at least, is that we need to be 403 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:14,359 aware of the potential consequences of our technological advancements and 404 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,839 demand transparency from those who control these powerful tools. 405 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely knowledge is power, as they say, and the more 406 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:24,440 we understand about technologies like HARP, the better equipped will 407 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,440 be to ensure they're used responsibly and for the benefit 408 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:28,839 of all humankind. 409 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: So to our listeners, I encourage you to continue exploring 410 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,039 these topics, to ask questions and to demand answers. The 411 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:38,640 future of our planet may depend on it. And if 412 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,359 a technology like HARP, with its potential to influence the 413 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,880 environment and even our minds, could emerge from Tesla's seemingly 414 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,799 utopian dream of free energy, what other unforeseen possibilities might 415 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:53,519 be lurking within the seemingly benign innovations of today. It's 416 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:56,279 a question worth pondering as we navigate the ever evolving 417 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,240 landscape of science and technology. 418 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:00,319 Speaker 2: And who knows, maybe one day we'll uncover the truth 419 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,839 about what really happened at Tunguska. Perhaps Tesla's research holds 420 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,079 the key, or maybe it's something else entirely, But until then, 421 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:10,839 the mystery remains a reminder of the vast unknown that 422 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,880 still surrounds us. 423 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,559 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating thought, and on that note, we'll leave 424 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:16,960 you to ponder the mysteries of the universe and the 425 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,200 power of human ingenuity. Thanks for joining us on this 426 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:23,359 deep dive. Until next time, keep questioning, keep learning, and 427 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,880 keep exploring the world around you.