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Speaker 1: I want you to I want you to do something

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for me right now. It sounds simple, but I actually

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need you to physically do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, here we go.

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Speaker 1: No, seriously, stop whatever you're doing. Yeah, and look down.

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Speaker 2: Just look at the floor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look at the floor or the pavement or the

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dirt wherever you happen to be standing or sitting right now.

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Just look at it feels pretty solid, right.

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Speaker 2: It's the literal definition of stability. I mean, we use

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phrases like down to Earth, we're grounded for reason exactly.

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Speaker 1: We build our mortgages on it, we park our cars

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on it, we trust it implicitly to just stay there.

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But here is the terrifying thought experiment I want to

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start with today. Imagine that stability is just a complete.

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Speaker 2: Lie, which geologically speaking, it kind of is.

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Speaker 1: It really is. Imagine that, right now, without a single

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second of warning, that solid ground just splits. It just

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opens up.

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Speaker 2: And not just a tiny crack in the sidewalk.

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Speaker 1: Either, No, I mean a rupture so violent that it

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swallows the present moment hole and in the process it

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actually spits out the past.

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Speaker 2: That is a very vivid and frankly slightly unsettling way.

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Speaker 1: To put it. That's true, right, It is true.

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Speaker 2: Scientifically, you're describing a phenomenon that geologists and archaeologists scrapple

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with constantly. We tend to view earthquakes solely as agents.

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Speaker 1: Of destruction, which they are obviously, of.

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Speaker 2: Course they are. They are tragic, terrifying events that cause

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immense human suffering. But if you zoom out and look

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at the long arc of history, earthquakes also function as

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something else. Entirely. They are violent historians.

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Speaker 1: Violent historians. I absolutely love that phrase, and that is

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exactly what we are talking about today on Thrilling Threads.

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Welcome everyone, glad to be here for this one. We

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are pulling on a very specific, very dusty, and honestly

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very spooky thread today. We're looking at what happens when

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the earth rips open time capsules that we didn't even

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know were there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really exploring this paradox of preservation through.

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Speaker 1: Destruction because usually archaeology is so slow.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Usually, when we want to learn about the past,

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we have to meticulously dig. We go layer by layer,

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inch by inch with tiny trowels and brushes. It takes

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decades decades, but sometimes the planet just gets impatient, it shakes,

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it cracks, and suddenly a royal palace, or a Roman

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theater or an entire city is just there, regurgitated, regurgitated,

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exposed in an absolute instant.

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Speaker 1: And we have a stack of fascinating reports to get

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through today, from the jungles of me and Mar to

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the basements of Croatia, all the way to the bottom

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of lakes in Central Asia.

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Speaker 2: It's a truly global phenomenon, it really is.

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Speaker 1: We're going to look at specific moments where the Earth

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essentially forced us to look at our history, whether we

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want it to or not. And I had to say,

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some of these stories are absolutely mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: It definitely changes how you look at the landscape around you.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: It reminds us that we aren't living on a blank slate.

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We're living on top of a very crowded graveyard of civilizations.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.

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Speaker 2: We're just the current layer of paint on a very

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very old canvas.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's not wait any longer. Let's jump right into

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the deep dive or I guess, into the fish, the fissure.

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I like that. Okay, So let's unpack this first story.

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We are traveling to Southeast Asia, specifically Central Me and Mar. Now, normally,

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when I read about archaeology in this region, the sources

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are talking about centuries of slow decay.

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Speaker 2: The jungle reclaiming the stone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, tree roots, strangling temples, the slow rot of teakwood.

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But this story starts with a bang, specifically a massive

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seven point seven magnitude.

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Speaker 2: Earthquake, And we really need to pause on that number.

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A seven point seven is an immense release of energy.

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Speaker 1: It's massive.

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isn't just a rattle that knocks a picture frame off

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your wall. A seven point seven is the kind of

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force that fundamentally reshapes the topography.

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Speaker 1: And this event occurred back in March of twenty twenty five,

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hitting Central me and Mar. And obviously an event like

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that causes tragedy. Modern buildings toppled, robes are destroyed. It

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so humanitary crisis, and we never want to lose sight

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of that human cost.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: But in the midst of all that chaos, something really

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strange happened here a place called Inwa. Now in Wa

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isn't just any irregular count, right.

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Speaker 2: No, Inwa is a site of immense historical density. It

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was known as Ava in older texts, and it was

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the ancient imperial capital of Burmese kings for nearly four

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Speaker 1: Four hundred years is a long time for a capital.

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Speaker 2: It is, and it has a very long, very turbulent

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history of kings and conquests and abandonments. It was actually

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known as a wandering capital, a thundering Yeah. They often

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built it, destroyed it, and moved it around. But for

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a long time, huge chunks of its history were literally

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just buried under the sediment of the Irrawady River valley.

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Speaker 1: And this is where the story gets really interesting, because

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the sources mentioned that back in two thousand and nine,

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locals had reported seeing these weird bits of stone just

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poking out.

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Speaker 2: Of the ground, just little hints of something beneath.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the report describes it as bits of old stairways, right.

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Speaker 2: Archaeology, That is so often how it starts, just a rumor,

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a rumor, a protruding stone, a farmer hitting something with

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a plow. Archaeologists suspected there might be something done there,

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but excavation is incredibly expensive.

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Speaker 1: And time consuming, very and.

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Speaker 2: You need permits. You can't just go digging up a

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living village based on a hunch about a staircase. You

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need actual proof.

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Speaker 1: Well, enter the earthquake. The quake hits and it doesn't

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just shake the dirt off, It basically grabs the earth

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Speaker 2: The description in the report is vivid. It says the

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ground rupture, ruptured. It creates a literal cross section of

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the soil. It's a violent stratification exactly.

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Speaker 1: And suddenly where there was just dirt and maybe a

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tip of a stone, there are now entire ruins sitting

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in plain sight. Unbelievable, like the earth just shrugged and said, here,

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take it. I'm done holding this for you.

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Speaker 2: The reports from the Meandmar Department of Archaeology are fascinating

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to read. They rushed in to investigate, obviously very cautiously

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given the aftershocks, and what they found was positively identified

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as a royal building. Based on the style and the

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architectural layout. They believe it belongs to the Konbong dynasty.

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Speaker 1: And that's the last royal family of Burma Rid correct.

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Speaker 2: They ruled from seventeen fifty two up until the British

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annexation in eighteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so we're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about a structure that was likely the center of

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political and social life just a few centuries ago, but

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long would it have actually taken years?

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Speaker 2: Easily maybe decades to fully uncover a royal complex of

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Speaker 1: Anything because you have to be so careful.

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Speaker 2: You have to use brushes, small picks. You have to

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document every single layer to understand the timeline. The earthquake

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did the heavy lifting in seconds.

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Speaker 1: The lifting might be the wrong word.

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Speaker 2: True, it tore the veil away, really.

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Speaker 1: And now researchers can actually see the layout. They can

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see how Burmese Royalty physically used their It's not just

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a foundation, it's a snapshot of a lifestyle that had

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Speaker 2: That is the key value here. Spatial usage tell me

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more about that well. Texts can lie to you. Chronicles

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written by kings will tell you how incredibly powerful they

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were or how beloved they were. But architecture tells the

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truth about human behavior.

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: When you see the footprint of the palace, you learn

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about hierarchy. You learn exactly where the kings stood versus

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where the courtiers were allowed to stand. You learn about

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the flow of power through physical space.

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Speaker 1: That's something you just don't always get from written records.

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Speaker 2: Never, the physical space is undeniable evidence.

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Speaker 1: It's the ultimate irony, isn't it. To see the ancient landscape,

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the modern landscape had to be completely destroyed. Yes, you

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have modern roads buckling, modern buildings falling down, and in

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their place, the old world just rises right up.

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Speaker 2: It's a stark reminder of the cycle of civilization. It's

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highly recursive. We build over the past, Nature destroys the present,

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and the past re emerges.

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Speaker 1: We're constantly just shuffling layers exactly. Speaking of building over

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the past down, let's move from the jungles of Myanmar

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to a basement in Europe. This next thread takes us

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Speaker 2: Specifically the town of Sissak, or as the Romans called it,

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Sisia Great Sisak.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is a story that feels like it belongs

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in a Hollywood movie. You know, the trope where someone

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goes into their basement to fix a fuse and finds

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a secret dungeon. Oh yeh, this is exactly that, but

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on a municipal scale. Right.

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Speaker 2: This was triggered by the twenty twenty earthquake that shook Croatia.

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It caused significant damage to many structures, including the Sissak

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Speaker 1: Now this town hall wasn't a new building either, No.

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Speaker 2: It was already over one hundred years old, a historic

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building in its own right.

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Speaker 1: So the renovation crews go in. They're there to fix

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the earthquake damage. They aren't looking for ancient treasure, They're

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just looking for cracks in the foundation, right, And they

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bring in archaeologists just as a precaution, right, just to

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check the foundations before they pour com.

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Speaker 2: Which is standard procedure in many historic European cities. If

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you dig a hole in Italy or Greece or Croatia,

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Speaker 1: A historian because you never know what you might hit.

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Speaker 2: You really never know. But I don't think anyone expected

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what they found here.

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Speaker 1: So they're digging in the basement under a street that

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is coincidentally called Roman Street.

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Speaker 2: I love that detail.

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Speaker 1: Talk about foreshadowing.

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Speaker 2: It was hiding in plain sight, literally in the mailing.

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Speaker 1: Address exactly, and they hit stone. Yeah, but not just

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foundation stones for the town hall. They find a Roman odium. Yes,

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now I have to admit I had to look this up.

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I know what a colosseum is, I know what an

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amphitheater is. What exactly is an odium?

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Speaker 2: Think of it as the difference between a massive football

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stadium and a small, intimate concert hall. Okay, an amphitheater,

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like the colisseum, was for mass spectacles, gladiators, beasts, blood noise,

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screaming crowds. An odeon or odium was much smaller and

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more intimate, so for a different kind of crowd, very different.

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It was usually roofed, which is a key distinction for acoustics.

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It was used for musical performances, poetry recitals, rhetoric, political speeches,

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artsy stuff. Exactly. It was the high culture venue of

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the Roman world.

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Speaker 1: And it was just sitting right there under the town hall.

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Speaker 2: Directly underneath they found a semi circular layout with three

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rows of stone blocks forming the orchestra area. This wasn't

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just the scattered pile of rubble. It was a clearly

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defined performance space.

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Speaker 1: I just love the mental image of the Mayor of

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Sussek sitting in his office, you know, signing paperwork, worrying

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about municipal budgets, completely unaware that directly beneath his feet

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two thousand years ago, someone was reciting epic poetry or

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playing a liar.

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Speaker 2: It really speaks to the sheer density of history in Europe.

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The town hall renovation plans had to be completely scrapped,

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Speaker 1: Would certainly hope, so you can't just pour modern concrete

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Speaker 2: Now they did something very clever instead. They actually installed

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Speaker 1: That's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: So now visitors to the town hall can walk across

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the room and just look down through the floor to

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see the Roman stage directly beneath them.

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Speaker 1: That is such a powerful metaphor the glass floor into

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the past. It literally visualizes the layers of history you

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were talking about. We are walking on their roofs, and.

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Speaker 2: It forces a real connection. When you look through that glass,

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you realize that that space that specific coordinate on the

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globe has been a center of community gathering for millennia,

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whether it's a Roman odeon where people listen to music

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or a Croatian town hall where people debate modern policy

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humans have been gathering right there, to discuss, to listen,

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to govern.

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Speaker 1: The function really hasn't changed at all, Only.

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Speaker 2: The architecture has changed. The human need to gather remains

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exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: That honestly gives me chills. It's like the land itself

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has a memory of its purpose.

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Speaker 2: Or perhaps humans are just creatures of habit. We tend

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to build on the best spots over and over again.

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Good drainage, central location, near water.

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Speaker 1: True, we are pretty predictable. Sometimes those prime spots are

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incredibly dangerous, which leads us to probably the most famous

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frozen in time city in human history, Pompeii.

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Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, the gold standard by which all other archaeological

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disasters are measured.

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Speaker 1: Now, everyone knows the Pompeii story. Seventy nine CE. Mount

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Lisuvius blows its top, lava ash pyroclastic flow, everyone dies

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from the volcano. End of story, right, That is.

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Speaker 2: The popular narrative. Yes, and for most of the victims

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it is entirely true. But recent forensic archaeology has added

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a terrifying new layer to that story.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just a volcano, No, it was not. This

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is the thread that really got me. We're looking at

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a specific site in Pompei called Casti Amanti or the

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House of the Chaste Lovers.

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Speaker 2: A very beautiful name for a deeply tragic site.

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Speaker 1: Archaeologists found two skeletons there, but when they analyzed them,

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something just didn't add up with the volcano theory.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: They didn't show signs of suffocation from the ash. Right,

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And they weren't burned by the heat surge that typically

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cooks the organic matter in these eruptions.

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Speaker 2: No, they weren't. These two individuals, both men were found

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pin under a collapsed wall. The forensic analysis of the

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bone fractures and the position of the bodies strongly indicated they.

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Speaker 1: Were crushed crushed by the wall.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they died from blunt force trauma caused by complete

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structural failure of the building.

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Speaker 1: Meaning what exactly?

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Speaker 2: Meaning they died from an earthquake.

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Speaker 1: So wait, let me get this straight. Yeah, the volcano

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is actively erupting, the sky is completely dark, ash and

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pumus are falling, and simultaneously the ground is shaking violently

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enough to knock down massive stone walls.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. We often forget that volcanic eruptions are almost always

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accompanied by intense seismic.

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Speaker 1: Activity because of the magma.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, the magma pushing up physically breaks the bedrock. So

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imagine the terror of that moment. You are hiding inside

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a house to escape the falling rocks from the sky.

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Speaker 1: You think you're safe indoors, you think the.

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Speaker 2: Roof will protect you, and then the earthquake hits and

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brings the entire structure down on top of you.

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Speaker 1: It's a multi hazard event. I think that's the technical

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term used in the Source right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, multi hazard, and it fundamentally changes our understanding of

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Pompey's final moments. It wasn't just fire from the sky.

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It was total sensory overload.

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Speaker 1: Nowhere to run, nowhere.

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Speaker 2: The earth was attacking them from below, while the mountain

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attacked from above.

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Speaker 1: And the Source mentions a detail that is just heartbreaking.

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It says this building was actually under repair when they died.

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Speaker 2: That is a crucial detail. Pompei had actually been hit

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by a massive earthquake in sixty two CE, which was

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seventeen years before the famous eruption.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the city was still fixing itself up. So these

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men were likely in a building that was already weakened

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or being actively patched up from previous tremors.

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Speaker 1: They were caught in a construction zone during the apocalypse.

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Speaker 2: Talk about incredibly bad timing.

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Speaker 1: It really paints a much more chaotic, frantic picture than

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just the idea that everyone went to sleep and got

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peacefully covered in a bl blanket of ash.

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Speaker 2: It adds a kinetic violence to the scene. It wasn't

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a peaceful sleep at all. It was a desperate struggle

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against the very structure of their world failing them.

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Speaker 1: Now, if Pompeii is the gold standard for these disastrous snapshots,

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there's a site in China that actively challenges it for

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the title. They even call it the Eastern Pompeii.

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Speaker 2: The Lagaio Ruins located in northwest China, and.

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Speaker 1: This site is much older than.

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Speaker 2: Pompeii, significantly older. We are talking Late Neolithic to early

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Bronze Age, so roughly four thousand years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, But the preservation style is eerily similar to Pompeii.

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Speaker 2: It is remarkably similar. Archaeologists have been digging there since

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the nineteen eighties and they have found entire houses perfectly preserved,

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and inside them the actual skeletons of the people who

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live there.

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Speaker 1: There's one detail from the report on the Jaya that

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is just gut wrenching. They found a woman and a

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child huddled.

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Speaker 2: Together, yes, in a corner of one of the houses.

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It captures that totally universal human instinct to protect in

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the face of absolutely insurmountable power. You protect the child,

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you huddle, you try to shield them with your own

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physical body, And sadly, that is exactly how they died.

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Speaker 1: And it was an earthquake that wiped them out right, a.

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Speaker 2: Massive earthquake that likely triggered sudden mudslides or massive floods

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that sealed the site instantly.

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Speaker 1: So no oxygen could get in exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's called the Eastern Pompeii. It wasn't a

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slow abandonment where people packed their bags and migrated. It

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was a sudden, terrifying freeze frame of daily life.

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Speaker 1: But here is where the story gets incredibly ironic. Yeah,

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and honestly kind of philosophical.

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Speaker 2: I think I know exactly where you're going with this.

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Speaker 1: The museum.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the museum.

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Speaker 1: So we built a museum right there at the Ligia

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site to honor these people and intelligently display the artifacts

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to say look, we remember, we have conquered this history

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and learned from it. Right. And then in December of

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twenty twenty three, what happens.

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Speaker 2: A six point two magnitude earthquake hits the exact same.

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Speaker 1: Region, and it damages the museum, the very building designed

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to protect the artifacts from the first earthquake.

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Speaker 2: It is a stark, sobering reminder of the recursive nature

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of geology. The very same geological fault lines that killed

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those people four thousand years ago are still there and

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still active.

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Speaker 1: They had moved.

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Speaker 2: The force that created the archaeological site returned to damage

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the building we built to study it.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the earth is mocking us a little bit,

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like you think you could put this tragedy in a

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glass case. I can still shake you. I'm still right here.

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Speaker 2: It really highlights the extreme fragility of human memory versus

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the stubborn persistence of geological forces.

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Speaker 1: We want history to stay in the past.

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Speaker 2: We build museums to make history feel static and safe

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and conquered. But the forces that make history are dynamic

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and dangerous. They haven't gone away at all. Wow, we

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are essentially just living in the pause between the shakes.

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Speaker 1: We're just living between the shakes. That is a deeply.

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Speaker 2: Sobering thought, precisely what it is.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's shift gears a little bit. We've looked

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at the ground opening up, We've looked at wall falling

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down on people. Now I want to look at what

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happens when the earth shakes and things just sink. Yes,

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we are going underwater.

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Speaker 2: This is a truly fascinating subgenre of disaster archaeology, submerged cities,

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because water acts as a completely different kind of preservative

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than doot or ash.

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Speaker 1: We have three specific cases here that are just incredible

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to think about. Let's start with Grease. The lost city

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of he Like, he Like.

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Speaker 2: Is legendary for centuries. It was almost treated like a

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mini Atlantis story in the classical world.

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Speaker 1: But it was a real place.

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Speaker 2: It was a very real, very wealthy city in the

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northern Peloponnese, and then in three seventy three BCE, it just.

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Speaker 1: Vanished, vanished in a single night. That's the quote from

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the source material.

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Speaker 2: Ancient writers claimed it was a devastating double blow, a

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massive earthquake hit, liquefying the ground underneath the.

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Speaker 1: City, liquefying. That sounds awful.

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Speaker 2: It's a process called liquefaction. It's where solid soil shaped

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so hard and so fast that it temperly behaves like

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a liquid.

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Speaker 1: So city just sank into the mud.

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Speaker 2: It subsided, and immediately following that, a tsunami triggered by

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the quake rushed in the entire city, slipped into a

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coastal lagoon, and was just gone.

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Speaker 1: The sources mentioned that ancient tourists actually used to take

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boats out to look at the ruins underwater, didn't they

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Speaker 2: It was an early form of dark tourism. For a

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few centuries after the disaster, you could apparently look over

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the side of a boat and see statues and walls

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just resting under the surface.

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Speaker 1: That is so creepy.

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Speaker 2: But over time the lagoon silted up naturally, the coastline changed,

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and he like was totally lost. People eventually started to

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think it.

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Speaker 1: Was just a myth until two thousand and one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thanks to the sheer persistence of Dori qetz and

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Opolou and Steven Soder, they spent years looking for this place, but.

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Speaker 1: They didn't find it where they thought they would.

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Speaker 2: Rite Now, No, they didn't find it underwater in the

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ocean at all. They found it inland, buried under two

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to four meters of.

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Speaker 1: Sediment because the lagoon had dried up.

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Speaker 2: The lagoon had completely dried up over the millennia and

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become solid land.

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Speaker 1: So the legendary underwater city was actually an underground.

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Speaker 2: City exactly, and that ancient lagoon mud played a crucial role.

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Just like the ash of Pompeii. The thick mud sealed everything.

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Speaker 1: In the source says walls and pottery were preserved almost

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perfectly for two thousand years.

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Speaker 2: Anaerobic conditions are incredible for.

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Speaker 1: Preservation, meaning no oxygen right right.

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Speaker 2: No oxygen in the thick mud means no decay for

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organic materials, or at least very very slow decay. So

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when they finally dug it up, it matched the ancient

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classical descriptions perfectly.

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Speaker 1: A city literally frozen in the exact moment of drowning. Yes,

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from a Greek lagoon. Let's travel to a mountain lake.

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Let's go to Kyrgyzstan.

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Speaker 2: Lake isak Cool, one of the deepest saltwater lakes in

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the entire world. Visually stunning location and apparently.

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Speaker 1: A very good hiding place for a medieval city.

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Speaker 2: This discovery is remarkable mainly because of its location right

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on the ancient Silk Road in the shallow waters of

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the Northwest Shore. Archaeology just found brick buildings, wooden beams,

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and incredibly, even a giant millstone.

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Speaker 1: Finding a giant millstone underwater is such a haunting image.

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Speaker 2: To me, it really is.

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Speaker 1: It implies industry, you know, bread, daily life just suddenly stopped.

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It's so heavy and permanent, and yet it's totally out

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of place, sitting at the bottom of a lake.

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Speaker 2: And there is a very specific detail they found that

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dates the site and identifies the culture.

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Speaker 1: They found a graveyard, and the graves were all facing Mecca,

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which tells.

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Speaker 2: Us definitively that it was an Islamic city. This dates

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the sudden collapse to somewhere around the fifteenth century.

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Speaker 1: So what happened here? Was it the same story as Greece.

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Speaker 2: A very similar mechanism to he like, Yes, a massive

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earthquake caused the ground along the shore to subside again

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that liquefaction we talked about, and the lake water simply

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rushed in to fill the newly created void.

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Speaker 1: The city didn't burn, it just drowned.

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Speaker 2: The source compares it to POMPEII not because of fire

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or ash, but because it's completely frozen.

474
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Speaker 1: Yes, the water acts almost like amber.

475
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Speaker 2: The necropolis, the homes, they're all still there, just suspended

476
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,079
in the blue water. It's a ghost town in the

477
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truest physical sense.

478
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's look at KC in our underwater tour. Now.

479
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This one is a bit different because it's not about

480
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finding a city while it's underwater. It's about the water

481
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actually going away to reveal the city.

482
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Speaker 2: The ancient city of Commune in modern day Iraq, thought

483
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to be the ancient city of Zekiku.

484
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Speaker 1: This one sounds straight out of a climate change thriller novel.

485
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Speaker 2: It is inextricably linked to our modern climate realities. This

486
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city was originally flattened by a massive quake way back

487
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in thirteen fifty.

488
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Speaker 1: BCE, a long time ago, very long.

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Speaker 2: Then in modern times, the entire area was flooded by

490
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a reservoir created by the Mosel Dam, so the ruins

491
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were essentially double buried, first by the rubble in the

492
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Bronze Age and then by the water in the twentieth century.

493
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Speaker 1: But then in twenty eighteen there was a massive.

494
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Speaker 2: Drought, a severe punishing drought. The water levels in the

495
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reservoir dropped drastically and suddenly, for a brief fleeting window,

496
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the ancient ruins just pop back up.

497
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Speaker 1: Popped back up. Sounds so casual when you say it

498
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,119
like that. But they found a palace with walls standing

499
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seven meters high.

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Speaker 2: Seven meters that is huge. Seven meters is highly significant.

501
00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:15,000
That is a multi story structure right there. But the

502
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real treasure wasn't the walls. It was the original city.

503
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Speaker 1: Paperwork, the clay tablets, dozens of.

504
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Speaker 2: Clay tablets with letters and records. This is the literal

505
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voice of the city speaking to us.

506
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Speaker 1: What kind of things were on them.

507
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Speaker 2: Trade logs, diplomatic letters. We found out exactly who they

508
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were trading with, what commodities they were worried about. It

509
00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,759
transforms the site from just a pile of wet bricks

510
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into a living, breathing society.

511
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Speaker 1: But the clock was seriously ticking right because the drought

512
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wouldn't last forever and the water would come back.

513
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Speaker 2: That is the ultimate stress of this kind of rescue archaeology.

514
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.

515
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Speaker 2: You have a tiny window of opportunity provided by a

516
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modern disaster, the drought, to study an ancient disaster. The

517
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earthquake before the water inevitably returns and swallows it again.

518
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Speaker 1: It really highlights how fleeting our access to the past

519
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:05,519
can be.

520
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,279
Speaker 2: It's amazing the earth reveals and the water conceals. It's

521
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this constant geological dance.

522
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Speaker 1: And we just have to be there with our notebooks

523
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,920
ready when the curtain briefly lifts this sis. Let's move

524
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over to Turkey, now southern Turkey, and we have to

525
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talk about the massive earthquake of February sixth, twenty twenty three, a.

526
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Speaker 2: Truly devastating, catastrophic event. The sheer destruction in Hate Province

527
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and the city of Antakia, which is ancient Antioch, was overwhelming.

528
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Speaker 1: And we are still feeling the human aftershocks of that tragedy.

529
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Speaker 2: Today, absolutely are.

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Speaker 1: It feels almost wrong to talk about archaeological finds in

531
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,640
the midst of such recent human suffering, but the force

532
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,279
points out something truly remarkable that happened right during the

533
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rubble cleanup.

534
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Speaker 2: Well, it is the inherent nature of living in a

535
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place like Antioch. It is one of the oldest continuously

536
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,480
inhabited cities in the entire world. You literally cannot move

537
00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:59,319
Ruble without hitting history.

538
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Speaker 1: It's just unavoidable, completely unavoidable. Workers were clearing modern debris

539
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:06,799
from a collapsed house and they just found an underground.

540
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,839
Speaker 2: Room, a room with a beautiful curved ceiling dating back

541
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,519
to the late Antique period, so roughly the fifth or

542
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sixth century. And the source said it was totally intact,

543
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,359
completely structurally intact. It had been sitting there under a

544
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,799
modern street for fifteen hundred years.

545
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:21,839
Speaker 1: That's wild.

546
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Speaker 2: Modern cars, heavy delivery trucks, daily pedestrians had been passing

547
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,440
directly over it every single day, completely oblivious to what

548
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:30,599
was a few feet down.

549
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it was a chapel, right yeah, or a tomb.

550
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,079
Speaker 2: The curved ceiling heavily suggests a sacred or reverence space,

551
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,359
possibly a small hidden chapel or a family tomb. They

552
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,559
also found stunning mosaics with Greek inscriptions nearby during some

553
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,000
foundation repair work right after the quakes.

554
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,559
Speaker 1: It really makes you wonder what else is hiding down Yeah,

555
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:52,599
I mean if an entire chapel can hide under a

556
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:54,640
busy street for a millennium and a half.

557
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: In Takio is the ultimate layer cake of civilizations. You

558
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,279
have Hellenistic, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman layers and the modern city.

559
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,279
The modern city is just a very thin crust resting

560
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:09,319
on top of all that. When that crust violently breaks,

561
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,119
the ancient filling shows through.

562
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Speaker 1: The filling shows through. You're making me hungry, but you're

563
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:14,920
also deeply terrifying me.

564
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: It's a messy kick, for sure, but it proves that

565
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:21,279
our modern infrastructure are asphalt, are sewer lines. It's all

566
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,160
just a thin, fragile veneer over deep deep time.

567
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: Let's go to Israel for our next thread. Tell Cabri. Now,

568
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,920
this one reads like a mystery story, like a CSI

569
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:32,440
ancient Canaan episode.

570
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: Tell Cabrey is a fascinating site because it significantly predates

571
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,119
the Kingdom of Israel. We are talking about a massive

572
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,319
Canaanite palace from around seventeen hundred BCE.

573
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Speaker 1: And this wasn't just a local shack. This was a

574
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sprawling manage.

575
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Speaker 2: And massive, one of the absolute biggest buildings in the

576
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entire region at that specific time. It was a major

577
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center of political.

578
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,279
Speaker 1: Power, and we know they really liked to party.

579
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,599
Speaker 2: Well, the archaeological evidence certainly supports that theory. They found huge,

580
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,400
dedicated storage rooms containing more than one hundred large wine jars.

581
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: One hundred large jars. That is a serious wine cellar

582
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,240
for the ancient world.

583
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: It heavily indicates wealth power and a very centralized authority

584
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,440
that could command and store those kinds of agricultural resources.

585
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,319
This was a palace that was visibly thriving.

586
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: They were connected to the big trade networks.

587
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Speaker 2: Very connected to the broader Mediterranean trade networks.

588
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: But then it just abruptly stops, and this is where

589
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,799
the friends of archaeology really comes in. Archaeologists find the

590
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,200
palace completely destroyed, but they naturally look for the usual

591
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,039
historical suspects, right, war, fire, disease.

592
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: Right. Usually, if a major palace is destroyed in the

593
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,599
ancient world, you find very specific clues like what you

594
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,720
find bronze arrowheads or spear tips embedded in the stone walls.

595
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,279
You find a thick, distinct layer of ash from a

596
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,599
mass of fire because torching the place was standard practice

597
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:58,599
in ancient warfare. Or you find mass irregular graves indicating

598
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,359
a sudden play cabri.

599
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: They found none of that, none of.

600
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Speaker 2: That at all, No weapons, no burn marks anywhere, no

601
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:08,359
evidence of famine or a prolonged siege. Just a crack,

602
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,720
a very long deep crack, cutting right through the foundation

603
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:16,319
of the palace, walls leaning at unnatural angles, buckled stone floors,

604
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,319
collapsed heavy brick ceilings.

605
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: It's the smoking gun, or I guess the shaking gun,

606
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,279
the seismic gun.

607
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:27,279
Speaker 2: The geological diagnosis is extremely clear. A massive earthquake knocked

608
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,759
the palace down in a matter of seconds. And here

609
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,880
is the truly interesting part. No one ever rebuilt it.

610
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: That is the spooky part to me. Why not rebuild? Usually,

611
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,640
if you have a great strategic spot for a palace,

612
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,680
you just clear the rubble away and build a new

613
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,319
one right on top.

614
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: You do. Perhaps the devastation was just too total, too

615
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,359
overwhelming to clean up, or perhaps it was seen as

616
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,039
a profound bad omen a curse. Yeah, if the gods

617
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,839
shake your grand palace to the ground, maybe you don't

618
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680
arrogantly build another one in the exact same spot. It

619
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:58,759
was just left desolate forever.

620
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Speaker 1: From a massive palace us full of wine to a

621
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,279
pile of rubble in a matter of minutes. It really

622
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,559
emphasizes the extreme fragility of that kind of power.

623
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,319
Speaker 2: It does. Nature really doesn't care how much expensive wine

624
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:13,559
you have stored up. It doesn't care about your diplomatic

625
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:17,039
trade deals. When the earth moves, the palace falls.

626
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to our final and perhaps our most

627
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,240
emotional thread. Today, we are going to Bulgaria a site

628
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:24,759
called Heraclea Sinica.

629
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: This site brings us right back to the human cost

630
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,400
of these events. We've talked a lot about buildings, wine jars,

631
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,559
mosaic city plans, but at Heraclea Senica we find the

632
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:35,319
actual people.

633
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,759
Speaker 1: Archaeologists were digging in the city's ancient forum, specifically under

634
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:43,240
an old wire sword room, and the heavy roof of

635
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,960
that room had collapsed.

636
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: And under that collapse roof they found six human.

637
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,559
Speaker 1: Skeletons frozen in place.

638
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:53,039
Speaker 2: Yes, the heavy walls fell and they were buried instantly,

639
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,400
right where they stood or right where they tried to shelter.

640
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: But there is one specific skeleton that really stood out

641
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,920
to the researchers. It wasn't just labeled as skeleton number four.

642
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,839
It was a person with a very clear story.

643
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:09,759
Speaker 2: They carefully identified a man with a rare congenital condition.

644
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:14,400
His skeletons showed unmistakable signs of a significant physical disability

645
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,119
present from.

646
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,319
Speaker 1: Birth, so his life would have been hard, his.

647
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: Mobility would have been severely limited his entire.

648
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:21,599
Speaker 1: Life, and yet he lived to adulthood.

649
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: He reached early adulthood. Now, we so often think of

650
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,640
the ancient world as brutal and totally unforgiving, a harsh

651
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:29,359
survival of the fittest scenario.

652
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,559
Speaker 1: But this man survived for years.

653
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: Which means the community actively cared for him. He was fed,

654
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he was supported physically. He was clearly a valued, integrated

655
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,200
member of that specific society.

656
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,599
Speaker 1: That detail hits heart. You see the deep humanity of

657
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:46,400
the past, you see the care, and then you see

658
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the sheer randomness of the disaster that took them.

659
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Speaker 2: It creates a very poignant, very sharp contrast. You have

660
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the civilization side, the care, the medical support, the bonds

661
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,599
of community, and then you have the chaos side, the

662
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,240
blind earthquake that ends it all in a single second.

663
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: It's not just finding a ruined building, it's finding a

664
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,519
specific moment in time. You feel like you are right

665
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:09,799
there with them in the dark.

666
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: That is the unique power of earthquake archaeology. It is

667
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,680
incredibly intimate.

668
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: Because war is different.

669
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,519
Speaker 2: A war destroys and loots and changes things. People flee

670
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,279
and take their belongings, and earthquake catches you.

671
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Mid sentence, mid sentence that is a really great way

672
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,440
to put it.

673
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: It brutally interrupts the narrative of daily life, and then we,

674
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:32,960
thousands of years later, try to painstakingly finish the sentence

675
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,559
they started.

676
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,799
Speaker 1: So let's try to synthesize all of this. We've been

677
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:46,240
all around the world today, MEANOHI, Croatia, Pompeii, China, Greece, Kyrgyzstan, Iraq, Turkey, Israel, Bulgaria.

678
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: It is a truly global phenomenon. Wherever tectonic plates meet,

679
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:54,039
human history is constantly being hidden and revealed.

680
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: So what is the main thread that ties all these

681
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,559
diverse sites together aside from the tectonic plates.

682
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,079
Speaker 2: Obviously the thread is that core paradox We started with

683
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:07,599
destruction as a bizarre form of preservation. If these cities

684
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,559
had not been violently destroyed, they would have been slowly

685
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,480
dismantled by humans, right hey, Recycled stones would have been

686
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,240
stolen to build new, younger houses. Wood would have rotted away.

687
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The slow decay of normal history usually erases all the

688
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,000
fine details.

689
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Speaker 1: Right. If you abandon a house slowly over time, you

690
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,480
take your good stuff with you. You pack up the

691
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,559
wine jars, you carefully box up the clay tablet.

692
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,079
Speaker 2: Exactly. You don't leave your valuables, but the disaster completely

693
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,640
freezes the context. It leaves the stuff perfectly in.

694
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,079
Speaker 1: Situ, in its original place.

695
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,319
Speaker 2: Yes, it allows us to clearly see the arrangement of

696
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,920
ancient life, not just the discarded debris of it.

697
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,559
Speaker 1: It's basically like the difference between a carefully staged family

698
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,119
photo and a candid, messy snapshot.

699
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: That is a perfect analogy. These earthquake sites are the

700
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:57,559
candid snapshots of history. They are messy, they are tragic,

701
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,519
but they are undeniably true.

702
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: And they loudly remind us that we are literally walking

703
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,079
on history everywhere we go. Sometimes it just takes the

704
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,960
earth violently shaking to remind us, Hey, someone lived here

705
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,680
long before.

706
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,759
Speaker 2: You did, and someone will likely live here long after

707
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,720
we are gone. We are just the current temporary tenants

708
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:15,319
of the surface.

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Speaker 1: That is profound, and that leads me directly to the

710
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big question. I want to leave our listeners with today,

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the ask.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, I'm ready for the ask?

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Speaker 1: Okay, listener, I want you to go right back to

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that thought experiment from the intro. The ground opens up,

715
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you sit at your specific house is buried today, right,

716
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
now okay, and it stays securely buried in the mud

717
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,079
for two thousand years. Future archaeologists dig you up in

718
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:42,119
the year forty twenty six. What is the one single

719
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,759
object they would find in your home, right next to

720
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your skeleton that would totally confuse them about who you were?

721
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:49,039
Speaker 2: Oh, that is a really good question.

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00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: Would it be some weird single use kitchen gadget, a

723
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:57,799
random collection of plastic action figures, a wooden't live laugh

724
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love sign? What is the art fact that would make

725
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,720
academic panels argue for decades about your identity?

726
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,799
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of modern people it might

727
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be their Internet router.

728
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: The router.

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00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd look at it and say, why did this

730
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culture worship this small, blinking plastic box with antenna the.

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Speaker 1: Alter of connectivity? Yeah, they offered it their daily attention exactly.

732
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But seriously, does knowing that entire ancient cities are peacefully

733
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,000
sleeping directly beneath our feet make you feel more deeply

734
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,599
connected to the human story or does it just make

735
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you terrified of the ground you walk on.

736
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Speaker 2: It is a bit of both, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Awe and terror very often go hand in hand when

739
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looking at history.

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Speaker 1: We really want to hear your answers to this. Leave

741
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a comment below, let us know what your confusing artifact

742
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would be, and let us know which of these specific

743
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,480
threads surprised you the absolute most today.

744
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,119
Speaker 2: Was it the underwater millstone in Kurstan, or the.

745
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: Roman theater hiding under the modern basement.

746
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Speaker 2: In Croatia, or perhaps the massive ancient wine cellar in Israel.

747
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: The wine cellar is a very strong contender. I think

748
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about that one a lot.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, it is hard to forget.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much much for joining us on this

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00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,000
deep dive today. It's been an absolutely wild ride through

752
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the cracks of the earth.

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00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,639
Speaker 2: It really has stay curious and honestly watch your step

754
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:10,000
out there.

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Speaker 1: This has been thrilling threads. We will see you in

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the next one. Bye bye bye