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Speaker 1: Welcome in the Clips and Tip I'm Meta MA'SLM. We

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Speaker 1: got will Updike in a special guest here today, participating

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Speaker 1: with us. If you're watching on the YouTube, you already

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Speaker 1: see him. That's at Clips and Dip podcast on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Also get to us at Clippers Pod on X. Got

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Speaker 1: a good show coming up. We'll talk about the latest

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Speaker 1: with Russell Westbrook officially signing with the Denver Nuggets. We'll

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Speaker 1: touch upon Kevin Urant still being with Team USA while

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard was sent home. An interesting situation there. But first,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, let's bring in our guy from Cletch points.

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Speaker 1: Cletch appearance from the one and Only Toe Mayr Azarie,

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Speaker 1: fresh off of just returning from Vegas. He was there

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Speaker 1: the entire summer league. I guess we can start there

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Speaker 1: all eleven days. Toe Mar thanks for coming back and

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Speaker 1: doing some more work as you arrive home.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you, guys for having me. It's an honor

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Speaker 2: to be on the Clip and Clips and Dip Show.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed that Chuck couldn't. It wasn't important though,

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Speaker 2: for Chuck to be here. That's okay.

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Speaker 1: His quarterback got signed today, so it was just too

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Speaker 1: pressing for him to You got a Paul George s contract.

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Speaker 1: As our friend Lucas Han said, Okay, Summer League, give

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Speaker 1: us some of the off the court vibe to start

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Speaker 1: with of just what it's like being there. We talked

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Speaker 1: a little bit off the air, but the temperature, how

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Speaker 1: the morning waiting for Little Wayne to arrive. And that

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like you could reach out and actually

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Speaker 1: and it's the same type of vibe every summer when

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Speaker 1: what is it like at Summer League in Vegas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange because everyone is, like you said, so

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Speaker 2: we hit you know, being there eleven age you hit

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Speaker 2: you know what, it sounds like a joke, but when

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Speaker 2: They're all there everywhere. It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: No, I no, I don't really know enough fanning out.

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Speaker 1: No complaints to Marrazarlie, our guest here from Clutch Points

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Speaker 1: joining us here on clips and Dip. I'm thinking it's

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Speaker 1: episode three twenty. Is that in the ballpark at least?

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Speaker 1: Will you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: Now? Have we done?

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Speaker 3: We've done twenty episodes since the draft already.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, so now we're talking. So we started season three

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Speaker 3: All starts every season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to think. Twenty episode seems like

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Speaker 1: is episode three nineteen. I was one off.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, great work.

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Speaker 3: So aside from the off court stuff, like, what did

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Speaker 2: No? I mean yeah, there definitely were some things, but

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Speaker 2: Still no, but it definitely was like, Oh, He's gonna

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Speaker 2: later on. This year, but now, it was good to watch.

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Speaker 2: It was really good to watch. It was fun to

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Speaker 1: and just the peak and apex he gets to before

430
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Speaker 1: the release is something else.

431
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 2: I know. I really think I really was impressed with

432
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 2: how he reacted, how he adjusted to defenses, over overreacting

433
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,319
Speaker 2: to his to his face, Like I think there were

434
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: a couple that I just he just caught the ball,

435
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,079
Speaker 2: jabbed left, and he saw a defender just fly by,

436
00:20:55,519 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: and he was able to just take wonderable pull up

437
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,079
Speaker 2: long too. Not the most it's a fishing shot. But again,

438
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: if you're taking enough a wonderable pull up wide openly,

439
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,519
Speaker 2: you got to take that shot. So Dante jo I said, like,

440
00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:09,079
Speaker 2: how are you evaluating? Like what are you looking for?

441
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,279
Speaker 2: He goes shoot the ball? Shoot He's gifted as a shooter.

442
00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: Shoot the damn ball. That's what he said to me.

443
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:15,759
Speaker 2: Let it fly.

444
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: Will you got anything else on summerly? Before we take

445
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 1: a break.

446
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,279
Speaker 3: Here, No, No, let's take a little break and what

447
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: talk Russell Westbrook?

448
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 2: We could do that? Why not? Yeah?

449
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,519
Speaker 3: So if you're listening to this, we're gonna be taking

450
00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,799
Speaker 3: a little break here. If you're watching this on YouTube

451
00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:34,599
Speaker 3: at Clippers at Clippers podcast, we never go away. But Anyways,

452
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Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook talk coming up in three two one.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in I'm Adam Oslin. We got Will up

454
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Speaker 1: deck and tomorrow Zarrely from Clutch Points is joining us here.

455
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: Some off season clips and dip still to come. We'll

456
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,599
Speaker 1: discuss Kawhi Leonard leaving team USA. I know Till Mayer

457
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: has some thoughts on that. Also for the most recent

458
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: no you do, I've seen it on Twitter. Don't make me,

459
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: don't make me pull those I will also Paul George

460
00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:11,519
Speaker 1: his latest calling the Clippers organization the B team and

461
00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: getting fans up in arms. We'll talk about that too.

462
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,599
Speaker 1: But Russell Westbrook, I guess in just doing a little

463
00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: bit of a recap on who he was as a

464
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Speaker 1: Clipper and then who do you think he's going to

465
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,519
Speaker 1: be with the Denver Nuggets, because that is a really

466
00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:28,519
Speaker 1: strange move to me for a team like that to

467
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: bring in Russell Westbrook fit wise, once again, he's kind

468
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: of replacing KCP. He did that when he came out

469
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,519
Speaker 1: with the Lakers. He's doing it now with the Denver Nuggets.

470
00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: But he's not a shooter. The skill set doesn't seem

471
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:42,039
Speaker 1: to match what exactly they need.

472
00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: But Hey, it's.

473
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Speaker 1: Jokich and Mike Malone and they can make a lot

474
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Speaker 1: of different things work. But just how would you summarize

475
00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: his career's tenure as a Clipper to mare.

476
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was mixed with lots of

477
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: good and lots of bad. Like he brought exactly what

478
00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 2: you needed him to during the regular season, and all

479
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: the concerns that people had with him during the playoffs

480
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: kind of just crept up. I thought the injury he

481
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,559
Speaker 2: suffered with the hand really kind of set him back.

482
00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: It was hard to kind of reintegrate him at that

483
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,079
Speaker 2: point when he was able to come back, and I

484
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,839
Speaker 2: think it was late in the season, if I'm not mistaken,

485
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:24,599
Speaker 2: So just anunfortunate, unfortunate timing from that perspective. But he

486
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,279
Speaker 2: gave them a lot of what they needed. I mean,

487
00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: they had tons of slow starts during the years during

488
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: the year, and you know a few of those games

489
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: they don't come back and win without him igniting them

490
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,279
Speaker 2: off that bench in the second unit. So I thought

491
00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,319
Speaker 2: he was important from that aspect. But again, the biggest

492
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: concern that everyone was worried about with him being off

493
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,079
Speaker 2: the ball and just the kind of out of controledness

494
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:51,319
Speaker 2: in the playoffs is exactly what happened, and Dallas was

495
00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:55,519
Speaker 2: fully content with him taking corner threes and occupying the

496
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Speaker 2: dunker spot. And you know, I think on the ball

497
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,559
Speaker 2: he was probably his best, but even then he really

498
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: did not finish around the basket the way he should have.

499
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Speaker 1: And eight for the last five games.

500
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Speaker 2: I thought individually, like individually, defensively he was he was

501
00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: good for them. I thought he was. He was all

502
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: for them. He gave them something at the guard position,

503
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: just just something they didn't have at the guard position defensively,

504
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,519
Speaker 2: which which I thought was intriguing, But again it was

505
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: it was just way too much to make up for offensively.

506
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: Like again I said this last year, just as the

507
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,079
Speaker 2: James Harden trade happened, like they were not as they

508
00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: were not as good for sure, with just Westbrook and

509
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,079
Speaker 2: no Harden, but I thought I was intrigued by what

510
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: their ceiling might be. It wasn't championship, but I was

511
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 2: intrigued by what it might be with him as the

512
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: loan guard, kind of being the primary bull hander that

513
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,279
Speaker 2: Kawhi and Paul were asking for so long, Like I

514
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: was just I would have just be curious to see

515
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: a month of then how it happened, you know, but

516
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: clearly their ceiling was increased with James Arden arriving here.

517
00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: The the offensive three level score, the the incredible playmaking.

518
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,599
Speaker 2: You know, I can't count how many big moments you

519
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: had this year, but I remember the game winner over

520
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 2: the Rockets and the playing tournament. There's the the snow

521
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: angel thing in the Rockets, in the I guess the Pacers. Uh,

522
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: there's so many great moments that he had, so uh

523
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: the block attempt on Kawhi a gainst the Blazers. That

524
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: was the other funny things. So like, uh, no, I

525
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: think James definitely chrias they're stilling it. Just at the

526
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: end of the day, they got hampered by injuries once again.

527
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Speaker 3: So the real question is which russ stand account are

528
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Speaker 3: you going to miss the most?

529
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Speaker 2: In your mentions, you know. You know what's funny is

530
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,079
Speaker 2: I talk about like I talk about everything in the NBA,

531
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,799
Speaker 2: literally everything in the NBA. I've committed all of my

532
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,759
Speaker 2: knowledge to it. It's come at the detriment of knowing

533
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: certain NFL things or certain baseball things, but it's fully

534
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,039
Speaker 2: NBA today. I just tweeted like I think the Nuggets

535
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: got to be like they need generational Yokichen Murray and

536
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,839
Speaker 2: it just Russ stands everywhere and I'm like, bro, I

537
00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: didn't even mention this guy. What are we doing? And

538
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: it's it's toxic. I mean, look, I think I think

539
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: Russ for for one thing, I will say Russ off

540
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: the court was was good to deal with. I think

541
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: it was tough from immediate perspective, but he wasn't like

542
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: an ass or and like that. There was like one

543
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,559
Speaker 2: time after immediately after he got bench, but like I

544
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: get it, he's frustrated just got bench, lost his starting spot.

545
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,319
Speaker 2: I get it. The team was on a losing streak.

546
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: So it's tough, but he was fine to deal with.

547
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: I enjoyed working with him. Uh he did a ton

548
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: for the community, which he still does. I think he

549
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: had like a food thing a couple of days ago,

550
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: uh here in La with with some kids. So like,

551
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:40,079
Speaker 2: he really does a ton off the court as well

552
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: that there really needs to be acknowledged. I mean he

553
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,279
Speaker 2: had the part they renovated with his name, So off

554
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: the court, he's a great, great individual, great great person

555
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: to be around and work with, and he really does

556
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: do a lot but on the court, the product to

557
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,759
Speaker 2: me is just it's just not there. Like I I

558
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,759
Speaker 2: struggled to see the fit in Denver as well. Uh

559
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,519
Speaker 2: given that, you know, I thought, struggle.

560
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: To see the fit anywhere, Like, where does he fit?

561
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Speaker 1: Like in the NBA, he's a zero level scorer. He

562
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: doesn't scort any level anymore, t mare.

563
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,519
Speaker 2: I mean he fits somehone where he needs the ball

564
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: in his hands and he can play make out of that.

565
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: That's really where we're So Denver is not that to me. Now,

566
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Speaker 2: if he's going there with the understanding that he's going

567
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:22,799
Speaker 2: to be a six to seven minute in the game guy,

568
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,279
Speaker 2: then maybe maybe maybe that works with him. I'm not sure. Uh,

569
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: but I think that the biggest thing is you're just

570
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: not you're just, for lack of a better word.

571
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh the rust stance got to You're.

572
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: No longer the guy. You know, you're no longer going

573
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,799
Speaker 2: to be able to play twenty five minutes a game

574
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: and you know, have the ball in your hands like

575
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: you want to. And so I think a certain role

576
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,039
Speaker 2: makes sense for him on the right team. I don't

577
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: think it's Denver. I don't think he was here when

578
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: James Harden got here and so it's tough. I mean again,

579
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,039
Speaker 2: we've seen stars in the NBA struggled to grasp with

580
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: the fact that they're kind of betting phased out, and

581
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,799
Speaker 2: from that perspective, it does kind of suck because this

582
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: is the guy who was I think the first is

583
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Speaker 2: the Oscar to Average triple double, had that incredible twenty

584
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: seventeen year after Kadi left, like he made everyone a

585
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: fan of face and it was really fun to watch.

586
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: But I think from the basketball perspective, it's just slowly

587
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,079
Speaker 2: starting to, you know, be phased out, and so that's

588
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: not easy. But I don't know where he belongs right now.

589
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,799
Speaker 2: But I'm looking forward to seeing Denver this.

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Speaker 1: Year and going back to what Will originally asked you

591
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Speaker 1: what other player or binds you of just the polarization

592
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:40,839
Speaker 1: and toxicity on Twitter, like Russ is there anything like that?

593
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Kobe was probably like that back in the day,

594
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,519
Speaker 1: but Twitter was yeah.

595
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: No, no, there is nothing like it. I'm trying to

596
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,359
Speaker 2: think of one.

597
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: I guess abroad you could say to an extent for

598
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,079
Speaker 1: some people, but it's.

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Speaker 2: There was like from from a stand them perspective, like

600
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: you want to say, stand them, like I think Derek

601
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: Rose has his fans are the most loyal people and

602
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: they're not like, not that level of crazy, with that

603
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,319
Speaker 2: level of loyal like they are loyal to a fault

604
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: with Derek Rose, Like even after he said of those injuries,

605
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,039
Speaker 2: they were just like, yo, he's he's this, he's this,

606
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,759
Speaker 2: mvpc's like. So I think I think to that level,

607
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,519
Speaker 2: like maybe it's not as delusional, but definitely as loyal.

608
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Again, I I did not mind

609
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: the Russell Westbrook experience, covering him like he was. It

610
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: was great. He did provide a lot of good moments.

611
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,079
Speaker 2: I think the fans has really made it hard to

612
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,839
Speaker 2: uh to say anything without just coming off as either

613
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: a hater or a stand or. It was just very strange.

614
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: It was very strange from that perspective. I've never seen

615
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: that before where you say one thing and it's like

616
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,079
Speaker 2: one thing. You say one thing and it's like europe

617
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: can hater, you fucking suck I have, I have, dude,

618
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,519
Speaker 2: You're just calling me a fat ass out of nowhere

619
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, And then guys who were just

620
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: like you were this, you were that, you were cool,

621
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, like, I don't understand why it's

622
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,039
Speaker 2: all the opposites end of the spectrum and not like

623
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle, like like I've never had this

624
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: from anyone else. But you know, I guess I don't know.

625
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: I guess I hate that.

626
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:15,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. As you mentioned, you could critique anyone

627
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: in the NBA, it is your job, you do analysis.

628
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: But when you talk about this one particular player for

629
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,279
Speaker 1: whatever reason, it gets people riled up and ready to

630
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,759
Speaker 1: go and just out of control. Before we break here

631
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:33,599
Speaker 1: and talk about Paul George and what he said on

632
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: the podcast recently, you did bring up a really interesting

633
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,119
Speaker 1: point I think on Twitter as the Olympics for just

634
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: getting underway today with the opening ceremony happening and it

635
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,759
Speaker 1: was Lebron James holding the flag like it was George

636
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:52,839
Speaker 1: Washington crossing the Delaware. People were put very cool, uh,

637
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,559
Speaker 1: but notably missing, of course is Kawhi Leonard as we know,

638
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,759
Speaker 1: and it sounded like at first with that original press

639
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: released from Tbosa, tomre that it was this joint collaborative

640
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:10,519
Speaker 1: decision between Kawhi, the Clippers and Team USA, And then

641
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I know you were at I'm assuming you were at

642
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: least on the call with Lawrence Frank when he came

643
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: out and talked about the situation and stressed multiple times

644
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,359
Speaker 1: how very disappointed they were with Team USA's decision. First,

645
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,319
Speaker 1: just is that Laurence Frank's sticking up for his guy,

646
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: because obviously Kawhi is not gonna have a press or

647
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,279
Speaker 1: he's not going to be on social media talking about it.

648
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: And this was just at least them saying, hey, what happens,

649
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, or frowning upon it. It wasn't viewed how

650
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: TMOSA viewed it. There were two different experiences going on

651
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,839
Speaker 1: with Kawhi leaving Team USA.

652
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: It seemed like, yeah, so I'm just pulling up a

653
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: transcript here from what Laurence said. The quote from grand

654
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,359
Speaker 2: Hill was that it was it was a collaborative effort

655
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,359
Speaker 2: with the Clippers. I believe they kind of jointly decided that.

656
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,759
Speaker 2: Lawrence Frank said, Uh, it was USA's call, and I

657
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: was quite frankly, very disappointed the decision. Kawhi wanted to play,

658
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: we wanted them to play. Noted that he was there

659
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,599
Speaker 2: the first couple of practices of Washington and he did well, Yeah,

660
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I will say this I think I

661
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: think a lot of people kind of just a lot

662
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,319
Speaker 2: of people did not read my tweet. And I expect

663
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,759
Speaker 2: that when people just have like certain things they want

664
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: to be mad about, that happens. I get it. That

665
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: was in no way a shot at Kevin Durant again.

666
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,559
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant an all timer, He's an Olympia. He deserves

667
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: to have that chance to be there.

668
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,359
Speaker 1: I give the back story on that tweet you're talking about.

669
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,079
Speaker 2: So I said that I just found it strange that,

670
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,759
Speaker 2: you know, nearly two and a half weeks later, this

671
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,799
Speaker 2: is a couple of days ago, that Kevin Durant still

672
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,599
Speaker 2: hadn't practiced I played, he barely been practicing, but he

673
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,559
Speaker 2: was still had a spot saved on Team USA, while

674
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,279
Speaker 2: Kawhi was, you know, removed after four practices in Vegas

675
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,359
Speaker 2: earlier this month and not given a chance to recover properly.

676
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: Excuse me from what I understood, Cawhi, I practiced all

677
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: for all four participated in all four practices. Looked fine,

678
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: there weren't any setbacks. And Lawrence Franks said that he

679
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:18,599
Speaker 2: you know, in observing him, that they they felt he

680
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: was good to go. Steve Kerr, I believe said that

681
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,319
Speaker 2: he was he was good, but I think there was

682
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: room for improvement, which and that goes with anyone who's

683
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,359
Speaker 2: coming off an injury. I would expect that with KD

684
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: as well. And so I felt like I just I

685
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: just thought it was strange that he was removed at

686
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: you know, the next morning, early morning, the day of

687
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: the first game, after participating participating in four practices, and

688
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: wasn't given a chance to really recover the way he

689
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,599
Speaker 2: should have. And again, Kevin Durant, again is an all timer.

690
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: He definitely should have a chance to heal as much

691
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,559
Speaker 2: as he wants. In my opinion, if Kevin Durant stays

692
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:53,079
Speaker 2: on this whole run and doesn't play at all, he

693
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: just still deserves to be there because he's one of

694
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: the greatest and he deserves that time to come back.

695
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: I just didn't understand why Kawhi wasn't given that scene,

696
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: given that he's one of the you know, according to

697
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,799
Speaker 2: some of the clothes that came out of there, he

698
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: was one of the four guys that kind of like

699
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: ruled the last decade with with Lebron, Stephen kad you know,

700
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,639
Speaker 2: Kawhi's got two chips, led a couple of teams. There's

701
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for him there, and I was

702
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,599
Speaker 2: just surprised that he wasn't given that same kind of leeway,

703
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: Like if if you go into London, let's say last week,

704
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: and it's not where you need to be, then you

705
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: can kind of consider making a move or shifting it,

706
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,079
Speaker 2: you know. I think there was there was a question

707
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: about Katie and Steve CHRISTI there was no consideration whatsoever

708
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: replacing even though he hadn't played a game yet, which

709
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: again is fine, you absolutely should not replace Katie the

710
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,119
Speaker 2: whole tournament. But I just didn't understand why Kawhi and

711
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: why that early where he came out for four practices.

712
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: Sounded like he went, well, there's a little bit of

713
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: room for improvement, but not a big deal. He wanted

714
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: to play. The Clippers say he wanted to play, and

715
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: ten USA claims it was a joint effort. It just

716
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,519
Speaker 2: wasn't really adding up. And I I understand if if

717
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: if there's like Nike politics involved in the three black

718
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: cvs just pulled up. No, I understand if there's I

719
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: just don't buy that as an easy excuse. Like I

720
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: don't know. I saw on Twitter, like like Katie's guy

721
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: went out and said, well, it's because they needed another guard.

722
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, well you need another guard. I just saw

723
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: Tyre Taliburton get benched like for the last game. I

724
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: don't even think he play that much, if he played

725
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,519
Speaker 2: at all. So I don't think it's a guard thing.

726
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: And I've seen people say the Nike thing, and I'm like, oh,

727
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, what would you really be that salty

728
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,559
Speaker 2: like Steph Curry's is an under armour guy like Joel

729
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: and beads, a sketchers guy like. I understand their different,

730
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,199
Speaker 2: you know, companies, but like, what we really gonna do

731
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:43,199
Speaker 2: this over over a brand? Like I don't know, maybe

732
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: that is the case. I don't know. Kawhi's trainer came out,

733
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: uh clip Parks said that it was it was some

734
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: some some Nike politics and brand stuff. We all know

735
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,559
Speaker 2: what the lawsuit he had with Nike and a couple

736
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: of years ago without the logos. So I don't know.

737
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a simple answer here. I don't

738
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: think we'll ever know the real the truth here. I

739
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: do know that from what I understand, Kawhi was planning

740
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,159
Speaker 2: to be in Paris. Kawhi was planning to play in

741
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:10,119
Speaker 2: the Olympics. He was working very hard to get there,

742
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: and up until the day he was removed from the team,

743
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: he thought he was going to be in Paris from

744
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: what I understand. So again, understanding that we'll probably never

745
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,519
Speaker 2: know the full truth behind it, I'm of the belief

746
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:24,599
Speaker 2: that this was a Team USA call for whatever reason.

747
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:27,599
Speaker 2: But again, it's hard in this situation because you can't

748
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: take everything the Clipper say at face value. You can't

749
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: take everything the tm USA says a face value, Like

750
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,599
Speaker 2: the Clippers refused to address with the Kawhi the procedure

751
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: of this offseason. That's kind of weird. Why would you fail?

752
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: Would you fail? It's a yes or no question? And

753
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: I followed up. I said, hey, like just following following up,

754
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: because you're opening it for speculation by not answering that

755
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: did Kawhi a procedure? And Lawrence Frank was not open

756
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: to detailing anything like that.

757
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: So correct me if I'm wrong somewhere. But he says

758
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: something to the effect of, if it was something more serious,

759
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: we would have refarded whether or not he at a procedure.

760
00:36:58,159 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: That sounds.

761
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,639
Speaker 1: Because you did press about that. I found that interesting

762
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: it because a lot of people have speculated that when

763
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Kawhi came into camp and said will what was the quote?

764
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: It was something to see the effect of I had

765
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: a turnaround within the last couple of weeks. We're thinking,

766
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,159
Speaker 1: does that mean the swelling has been going on since then?

767
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: I think he said no. I think I think what

768
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: the quote was that he was he was ready to

769
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: go within like two or three weeks before that. He

770
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: was actually feeling like himself, like on the court, doing

771
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: everything he needed to. So the quote that from from

772
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: Florence Frank. When I asked him that follow up question,

773
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,159
Speaker 2: I said, just to clarify, did you open up for speculation?

774
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: Did he or did he not undergo a procedure at

775
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,079
Speaker 2: the end of the last season, he says, I'm not

776
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 2: going to talk about any specific treatments, whether it's Kawhi

777
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: or anyone else. If a player has significant surgery, we

778
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,679
Speaker 2: always announced those things, but in the off season, guys

779
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,679
Speaker 2: are always getting maintenance things that we just don't comment on.

780
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: If a player had significant surgery, we would announce those things.

781
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: So is there a minor surgery, is.

782
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: Clean up procedure minor?

783
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: How to? I don't know again, See, you just opened

784
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,119
Speaker 2: up for speculation by doing this, and so when you

785
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: do that, it's hard to take everything that people say

786
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: a base value, Like, do I believe that it was

787
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: fully on Team USA? Do I believe that it was

788
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,079
Speaker 2: fully on the Clippers? Did Kawhi just decide he didn't

789
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: want to play anymore and one of the focus in

790
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: the season, and everyone's kind of taking the hit for him, Like,

791
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,519
Speaker 2: it's hard to tell. It's really hard to guess what

792
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:29,039
Speaker 2: that is. So I again, I don't want to speculate

793
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,159
Speaker 2: too much, but because it's really hard to guess. But

794
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 2: it sounds like based off Lawrence Frank coming out and

795
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: saying we're disappointed with the decision, I feel like you

796
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: don't do that and you know, kind of call someone

797
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: out without some kind of substance being there. And so

798
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,519
Speaker 2: I think I really think it was a Team USA

799
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: call at that point, and for why, I don't know specifically,

800
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: but it sounds like it was our call.

801
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,639
Speaker 1: Well, how do you feel about the seemingly double standard

802
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: between Kawhi and KD and how they handled them with TuS?

803
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Kad has more of a history with

804
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: Team USA. I think that that makes sense. That he

805
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,159
Speaker 3: would get like the benefit of the doubt. So yeah,

806
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,679
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just it's it's hard to say

807
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:12,679
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like what was the

808
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,119
Speaker 3: final straw or what was like the full contribution to

809
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,159
Speaker 3: that decision. I don't necessarily believe that it was like

810
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: a brand politics thing. While like that might have played

811
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,119
Speaker 3: a minor factor, I doubt that that's the extent of

812
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: the situation. I was excited, really excited about, you know,

813
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,079
Speaker 3: Kawhi volunteering to play Team USA basketball. I thought that

814
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: that was going to be really good for him, especially

815
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: coming off an injury, to see at a competitive level,

816
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,159
Speaker 3: like what you know what where he's really at, how

817
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 3: the how the knee would respond. But knowing that there

818
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: could have been some sort of procedure that apparently wasn't

819
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: major enough to let us know about it, it doesn't

820
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 3: make me feel great about the situation. But again, I

821
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,079
Speaker 3: still feel like if he was good enough to go,

822
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: as half of you know, the situation seems to think,

823
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,599
Speaker 3: I would have like to see him get get the shot.

824
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just of all, But I think it's

825
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,639
Speaker 2: not really that Kawhi was just sent home. Like I

826
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: think if if he if he goes to London or

827
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: if he goes to Abu Dhabi and tries to play

828
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: a game and you know, plays well, but maybe the

829
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,199
Speaker 2: swelling comes back a little bit, or there's concerns about hisself,

830
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: then you can say, Okay, we might need to we

831
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: should replace him because we don't know if he can

832
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: give it a go. The whole way like that makes sense,

833
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,039
Speaker 2: But you didn't even give him an opportunity, in my opinion,

834
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,199
Speaker 2: to even get get in game actions. And what are

835
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: you gonna what are you gonna need from Kawhi with

836
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: this kind of team eight minutes a game, ten minutes

837
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,679
Speaker 2: a game, like you're not gonna need that much. So

838
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,119
Speaker 2: not really giving him an opportunity to even get to

839
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,119
Speaker 2: one of the other countries and play a game, considering

840
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: of a guy on the sidelines who hasn't played with

841
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,639
Speaker 2: the Castra in a month now, Like it's just strange

842
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,119
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, it's not that, it's not the fact

843
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:47,639
Speaker 2: that they sent Kawhi home. So they send him home

844
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 2: so early without an opportunity to see him play.

845
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,519
Speaker 3: That's a great point.

846
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,199
Speaker 2: That's a great Maybe maybe they saw him play and

847
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: weren't happy with what they saw during those practices, but

848
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: Lawrence Frank said he looked good, and I'm gonna I'm

849
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: gonna assume to inilicate.

850
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: That because Laurence Frank said something else to the degree

851
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: of like, we know how he looks in practice, like

852
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,559
Speaker 1: we've been around him for five years. We know how

853
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: he should look when he's right. And Timyo say, maybe

854
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: you know obviously coach lou knows too. But that's just

855
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: it's so strange, it's so mysterious. I know a lot

856
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,519
Speaker 1: of people could be saying in the comments, you know,

857
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: well Kawhi is so injury prone, that's why KD.

858
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,039
Speaker 2: That doesn't matter. That doesn't matter.

859
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: Well, and Kd's missed about the same amount of games

860
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,159
Speaker 1: as Kawhia since twenty nineteen. Like they're both they both

861
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: have been injury.

862
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: Problem more, this is more coming off.

863
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: The achilles and now you're talking about a calf injury

864
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,599
Speaker 1: with him. That's not something you can downplay.

865
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,679
Speaker 2: And this is a guy who played on the calf

866
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,039
Speaker 2: injury in the finals and ended up tearing his achilles.

867
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,039
Speaker 2: So like you're being extra careful with the guy you

868
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,039
Speaker 2: know has dealt with a history of CAF issues. So

869
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,599
Speaker 2: like I again, it's not it's not that they cut

870
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: Kawi's when they cut Kawhis without even a chance to

871
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: play that in one of the games. Again, I think

872
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,039
Speaker 2: if he plays in a game, the nie swells up

873
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:03,679
Speaker 2: a little bit and you're not comfortable with how he looks,

874
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: that's totally unstainable because I think you gave it a shot.

875
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: But bringing him all the way to Vegas, having him work,

876
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,199
Speaker 2: I've been in an accelerated timeline to get ready for

877
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,519
Speaker 2: Vegas in that training game. And then he'd be like

878
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: all right, so yeah, like that doesn't make sense to me.

879
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: And there was that report during the finals. I remember

880
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: I actually asked Grant Hill. It's strange how that timing worked,

881
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: because I remember I proched Grant Hill after game uh,

882
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:28,599
Speaker 2: after game two of the finals, I prosed grand Hill

883
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,039
Speaker 2: has introduced myself, said who I was. I was like, Hey,

884
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: have you had any discussions or do you know what's

885
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: going on with Kawhi if you heard any updates? I

886
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: know he's with the nise swelling. And he said no,

887
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't spoken with Lawrence or Kawhi yet.

888
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: And then like a day and a half later, WLDE

889
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,519
Speaker 2: reports that thing during the during the game, saying that

890
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:49,199
Speaker 2: Derek Whites came to to replace Kawhi, and that to

891
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: me was just like a that's a strange timing moment,

892
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: like I'm not gonna take I'm not taking credit for

893
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,599
Speaker 2: I just thought it was strange that I asked him

894
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,559
Speaker 2: about it. There was nothing about Kawhi for weeks, and

895
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden when I asked that, that

896
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,079
Speaker 2: Derek White thing came up and that was a month,

897
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: not a month, it was two and a half, three

898
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,079
Speaker 2: weeks before they were supposed to show up to training camp.

899
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: So I don't know. The whole the whole situation was

900
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,599
Speaker 2: was very strange. It was, it didn't it didn't really

901
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. Like the fact that the

902
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: replacement publicly considered that way three weeks before was also

903
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: very weird. Like you can have replacements in mind and

904
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,599
Speaker 2: those usually aren't reported, but the fact that his specific

905
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,519
Speaker 2: name was reported as a replacement that early was strange.

906
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,679
Speaker 1: It seems almost like they were setting him up to fail,

907
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: where if they see any indication that he's not completely

908
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,519
Speaker 1: fully one hundred percent or has the most bounced out there,

909
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:40,639
Speaker 1: that oh, I guess we gotta go with Derek White

910
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: like this was maybe something in the works early on.

911
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: You should take credit for that. Timer.

912
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,599
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I I don't want to go that

913
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: far because I don't want to speak for anyone.

914
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out there.

915
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a weird, little sensitive matter with Kawhi.

916
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: You know that we're never going to ever get the truth.

917
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: We'll try, but the truth. It's just a very very

918
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: strange scenario that I've had. I've never had to cover

919
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: something so strange where it's like wait, all around, just

920
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,519
Speaker 2: just completely strange. Not giving a chance to play in

921
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:14,519
Speaker 2: the game cut the morning of that pre you know,

922
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:22,199
Speaker 2: the exhibition game against whoever they played Canada there you go, Yeah, yeah,

923
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 2: it was just the whole situation was very very strange.

924
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: It didn't really make a lot of sense to me.

925
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,639
Speaker 2: It still doesn't, but you know, I thought he deserved

926
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,519
Speaker 2: a chance to be there, and unfortunately it's not. So

927
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: you know, Lawrence Frank was undoubtedly sure that he'd be

928
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: ready for training camp. I said he was good to go.

929
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,079
Speaker 2: So again, it's just a very very confusing situation to

930
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: start to start the month with with that camp stuff.

931
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,519
Speaker 1: As we hardy boys our way through this mystery, or

932
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,519
Speaker 1: Nancy drew it here. The only other thing I could

933
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,039
Speaker 1: think of was the day before they cut him, the

934
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,519
Speaker 1: Tuesday before the Wednesday game against Canada, I believe is

935
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: when you said the knee is in a neutral state,

936
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that made them think that, Okay,

937
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: this is going to be something recurring.

938
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: So what what does neutral state mean?

939
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,599
Speaker 1: I just feel it's not swollen. I would guess it's

940
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: not swollen, or it's not sore, or you know, it

941
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: hasn't been aflamed. I would just guess that hum talking

942
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,519
Speaker 1: like that might have said maybe a red flag. I

943
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: don't know. Did they read into that interesting?

944
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: I just I just didn't know. I saw that floating

945
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: on Twitter. I just didn't know how to take that,

946
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,159
Speaker 2: Like to me, that was good news, Like, I don't

947
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,679
Speaker 2: know how it's it's I don't know how to how

948
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: to take that. I I always took it, Okay, that

949
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,119
Speaker 2: means the swelling is not there, which is what you want.

950
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: It's the swollen or not right, that's pretty much I

951
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:43,639
Speaker 2: should be.

952
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: But it could be interpreted as but it's always in

953
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: the back of his mind, or it could be lingering

954
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:54,639
Speaker 1: it's okay right now. Right because he spoke about it,

955
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, it makes it seem like it's on his

956
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: mind too. So therefore it's still a very situation with

957
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: the knee.

958
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys have their medical people there. I'm

959
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: sure the Clippers probably sent their own as well, like

960
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: they had evaluations being done. It wasn't like he was

961
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,119
Speaker 2: just practicing four days and they're like, oh, why you

962
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: suddenly feel something like No, I'm sure they were evaluating

963
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: him day to day, especially him, So.

964
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: I just some one I'm trying to get into the

965
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: mind of, like why would Timysa do it right then too?

966
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: And that did come out the day before. I don't know,

967
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: it's it's weird. We'll take a quick time out, we'll

968
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: come back. We'll get into some more weird stuff with

969
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,639
Speaker 1: Paul George as we have to mar Azari with us

970
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:40,039
Speaker 1: here on Clips to Dip commercials coming your way in

971
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: three two one.

972
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: All right, we're back in the Clips and Dip with

973
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: special guests t Mayor Azzarrely of Clutch Points. All right,

974
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: so we got to talk about the Paul George stuff. Adam,

975
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: I don't think we've talked about this on the show.

976
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: Yet Paul George up to the same old stuff, putting it,

977
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: putting his foot in his mouth publicly. We recently heard

978
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,599
Speaker 3: on the podcast PCE Show that he kind of viewed

979
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: the Clippers as as a as the b team, uh

980
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: of course to the Lakers. And there is some context

981
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: of this. I guess like people want to talk about

982
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: the context that he was talking about this is how

983
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: like maybe he his friends or something made him feel.

984
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 3: I think the thing if you're a Clippers fin or

985
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,599
Speaker 3: if you've you know, been following Paul George is it's

986
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: just a complete one to eighty from what he said

987
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: when he signed that he grew up a Clippers fan,

988
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: and it's just it's all very bizarre. It's all very

989
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:35,039
Speaker 3: on brand for for Paul George and and what we.

990
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,639
Speaker 2: Know of him.

991
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: So, Mayor, did these comments surprise you as anything about

992
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: PG and the way he's kind of carried himself surprised

993
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: you since the exit and you know, his his uh

994
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:46,639
Speaker 3: introduction in Philadelphia there.

995
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I those of those comments actually did surprise me.

996
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

997
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would, why you would kind

998
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: of burn that I don't know, burn that bridge, but

999
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,599
Speaker 2: kind of what's the what's what's the word on your

1000
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,519
Speaker 2: way out? What's the phrase? I don't know what the

1001
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: phrase is, but he kind of the way out. Sure, yeah,

1002
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know why you would do that,

1003
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: Like Clipper fans had to watched you have like three

1004
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: straight non healthy postseasons, like and they still showed up

1005
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: as a board of the buyer jersey, Like, you don't

1006
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,679
Speaker 2: need to do that. So I definitely was surprised that.

1007
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,559
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised, to tell a certain way. I'm surprised

1008
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,679
Speaker 2: that he went out and just said that, like the

1009
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: the podcast as as as great as it has been

1010
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: for setting him up for a media career, and I

1011
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,639
Speaker 2: think he definitely does have one because he's great at it.

1012
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: It sets him up so much because he just he

1013
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,559
Speaker 2: just talks too much and just just be being honest.

1014
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: Like I think he just says too much of what's

1015
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: on his head and you don't have to you don't

1016
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: have to do that all the time. To me, if

1017
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: you're actually an l A native, you know what the

1018
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: situation here is in LA. It's no question, it's no

1019
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: question you came here, you were you, you were acquired

1020
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:06,039
Speaker 2: to try and change that to become the A team.

1021
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: They gave up the hall to try and for you

1022
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: to try and help you, for you to help turn

1023
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: the organization into the A team. That's never gonna happen.

1024
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: In LA. We know that the Lakers, the Lakers and

1025
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,119
Speaker 2: Laker fans run LA. They've been here forever, They've their

1026
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:21,119
Speaker 2: historic franchise.

1027
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 1: Any I don't even think in the history of sports.

1028
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think it's it's about that. You

1029
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:30,199
Speaker 2: just have to go and carve your own nage and

1030
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,079
Speaker 2: and and do things for yourself, whether it's reached the

1031
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: conference finals for the first time, like that was a

1032
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: big moment, reached the finals for the first time, Like,

1033
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it was. I don't think that even matters.

1034
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: And if you're like if you're if you're secure with

1035
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: yourself and who you are, Like, I don't know those

1036
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,639
Speaker 2: comments screaming and security to me because I'm like, you

1037
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,119
Speaker 2: know what in LA? Yeah, like you know what the

1038
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,119
Speaker 2: situation is in LA, Like of course, Like are you

1039
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: telling me you let a couple of Laker fans kind

1040
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,199
Speaker 2: of dissuade you or mess to you mentally? Like why

1041
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: was that even on your mind that that's the thing

1042
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,559
Speaker 2: for me where it's like again, Clipper fans Clipper player,

1043
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 2: like they know what it is. And I think if

1044
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: you're making millions of bucks and millions of dollars and

1045
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,559
Speaker 2: you're playing for for for a high level organization, like

1046
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: that doesn't even matter, but that legitimately should not even Matt,

1047
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: why does anything an opposing team saying, even say even

1048
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,639
Speaker 2: matter to you. That's just what I can't kind of

1049
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: wrap my head around, Like how much shit do do

1050
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,679
Speaker 2: people do? Defense hear take like, why does it matter?

1051
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: You're playing for the LA Clippers and a top notch organization,

1052
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,039
Speaker 2: they're paying you top dollar and you're always contending for

1053
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:42,639
Speaker 2: a championship or attempting to anyways, Like why does that matter? Why?

1054
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I understand there was some context around

1055
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,679
Speaker 2: it that may have been missing, but to me that

1056
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,039
Speaker 2: also doesn't matter because that quote alone kind of says

1057
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: it all.

1058
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 3: And even if there was context, you know how people

1059
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,039
Speaker 3: are gonna take that, like they're like, you know what

1060
00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what NBA media is, you know

1061
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 3: exactly how that's going to be interpreted.

1062
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was genuinely confused by that, Like if

1063
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,199
Speaker 2: people were saying he said that he said the same

1064
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: thing last year when he had Terrence Man in the podcast,

1065
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,159
Speaker 2: and that's not true. Saying Laker fans, let you hear

1066
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:14,199
Speaker 2: it and saying I'm on the B team. That's the

1067
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: vibe is very different. And again not that not that

1068
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: he should care too much about it, but just don't don't,

1069
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:26,559
Speaker 2: you know, shit on people on the way out, you know,

1070
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: fans or people who are trying to like like you know,

1071
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: you know, trying trying to get this organiztion to where

1072
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: they want to be. Like, I don't think you need

1073
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: to do that. Like you got your max money. No

1074
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: one on earth is going to criticize you for wanting

1075
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,519
Speaker 2: to take an extra sixty million dollars in a year.

1076
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,519
Speaker 2: You should want us to do that. I would do that,

1077
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: any one of us would do that. Just don't talk

1078
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: too much in the way out and to kind of

1079
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 2: burn those bridges and make it look bad. I don't

1080
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,559
Speaker 2: know that. That's the thing for me speaking of that.

1081
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: You can't keep saying. You can't keep saying stuff stuff

1082
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 2: you said was taking out of content, because that's not true. Yeah,

1083
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:03,639
Speaker 2: there was a lot of stuff that he said was

1084
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,559
Speaker 2: taking like when he said I'm not the right way

1085
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: he said, championship is not is not my my my

1086
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: number one priority and free agency, it's it's the right

1087
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: style of basketball. That is immediately a shot at James

1088
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: Harden and and the Clippers to me. And so you

1089
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: can't say that was taken out of context. You can't

1090
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: oun't know where to say, I'm the be, I'm the two,

1091
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: he's the one, I'm the one, be he's the one.

1092
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: A yes, yes, yes, You can't say that was taken

1093
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,639
Speaker 2: out of context because it wasn't. The proper context is

1094
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: being applied. You just said what you said, and maybe

1095
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,519
Speaker 2: he didn't like how people reacted to it, like was

1096
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: there context missing when when he said we don't have

1097
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: an identity? No, the proper context was applied, and everyone

1098
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: around him was pissed off because of that.

1099
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:55,519
Speaker 1: So it seems like he talks out of both sides

1100
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:57,599
Speaker 1: of his mouth a little too much sometimes, like he

1101
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: gets himself in trouble unnecessarily. He put a target on

1102
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: his own back in this situation because a lot of

1103
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: Clippers fans now are saying, oh, well, I'll be there

1104
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: your first time back and ready to boo you now,

1105
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,079
Speaker 1: and I don't think that was the case at first, because,

1106
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: like you said, seventy two more million dollars, I'm not

1107
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:17,679
Speaker 1: gonna hate it on our guy for that.

1108
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: No, No, I think he definitely has a case, still

1109
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: has the case regards of the comments and being one

1110
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: of the best Clippers ever. Yeah, he was like Game

1111
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: five Utah, Game five Phoenix, like incredible formance. He makes

1112
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: two free throws. They probably go up, you know, two

1113
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: to one in that series heading back to Game four

1114
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,679
Speaker 2: in La. So like there's so many what is but

1115
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: like he definitely has a case for one of the

1116
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: best best Clippers of all time. I just don't think

1117
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,039
Speaker 2: you need to you need to, you know, do this

1118
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: on the way out, like go to Philly, enjoy your time,

1119
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: enjoy your money. What about that? Like people are like,

1120
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: why are Clipper fans talking about this and that? But

1121
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: well he's he's coming at them. That's why he's shooting

1122
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: on him for no reason. And and and in a

1123
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: way kind of going into the West by saying we

1124
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: took his comments out of context, when no, we did

1125
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,519
Speaker 2: not take them out of context. We get in a

1126
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,519
Speaker 2: proper amount of context, you said stuff that didn't make sense.

1127
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: The only way they could be taken out of context,

1128
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,159
Speaker 1: is if right afterwards he said, just kidding, I always

1129
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:13,519
Speaker 1: want to be the number one, And that didn't happen.

1130
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: Everything there was, it's a minute long clip. I put

1131
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: it up like it's not hard. No one's reading into this.

1132
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: He went out of his way that day. He's talking

1133
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,079
Speaker 1: about Lebron and Dwayne Wade in Miami, as you know,

1134
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: somewhere being in the locker room when it happened. And

1135
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,599
Speaker 1: then he jumped right into and just to be clear

1136
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,199
Speaker 1: on the number two here, and he went so far

1137
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,199
Speaker 1: to say that he's not even one B. He's the

1138
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: number two, not one A to one B, which is

1139
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: the best closer, he's number two.

1140
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that that comment actually pissed off Toron Lou

1141
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: to the point we're tired of talk to him about

1142
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: things like, no, I don't need you to be the

1143
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: number two. You got to act like a one. If

1144
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,559
Speaker 2: it happens to falling away where you're taking a night

1145
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,199
Speaker 2: back seat one night, that doesn't make you the two,

1146
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, So that I know, I know he wasn't

1147
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: happy about those comments. And that's where after that PG

1148
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,039
Speaker 2: kind of clarified he was kind of annoyed and he's like, well, no,

1149
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm the one. Bee's the one ad it doesn't really matter.

1150
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,559
Speaker 2: We're both working together, YadA YadA. So no, again, one

1151
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: of the greatest Clippers ever just just kind of kills himself,

1152
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: beats himself up with his own comments. Unfortunately, that's the

1153
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,199
Speaker 2: that's the that's the really strange truth. Like I again,

1154
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 2: I think everyone looks at Paul's time fondly here until

1155
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,599
Speaker 2: he made those comments, and it's like, well, it's just

1156
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 2: no reason for that, no reason even with the injuries.

1157
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,679
Speaker 2: People look at a sign fondly here because he was

1158
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: still again all time three point leader in the regular season,

1159
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,199
Speaker 2: like he made history as a three point shooter, he

1160
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: got to the conference finals. There's so much that he did,

1161
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, being from LA, all the comments you said

1162
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,519
Speaker 2: about being Clipper fan being from LA and then you

1163
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: turn around and do this. It's just so strange. It

1164
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense at all. Yeah.

1165
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't ever really get what that guy is thinking.

1166
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,519
Speaker 3: But now that Paul George is sort of out, you

1167
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:03,599
Speaker 3: talked about the Clippers sort of their approach to revitalizing

1168
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:07,519
Speaker 3: this bench. Where do you see the Clippers at right now?

1169
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: Like in terms of like what do you would you

1170
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,199
Speaker 3: call it a rebuilding phase? Like what where are they

1171
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 3: at right now and what do you think their ceiling

1172
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 3: is as constructed or if there's a move that you

1173
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,679
Speaker 3: could see.

1174
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,599
Speaker 2: I wouldn't directly compare it, but this seems similar to

1175
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen eighteen year after Chris Paul left to Houston,

1176
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 2: where they retained one of their stars, I leave. They

1177
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,119
Speaker 2: signed Blake Griffin that offseason to a MAX deal.

1178
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:39,599
Speaker 3: Forty That was the they missed the playoffs, and that

1179
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:40,679
Speaker 3: was the forty one win year.

1180
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: That was the forty two and forty year. Yeah, that

1181
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,199
Speaker 2: was the Milo ste Dosich, the Blake Griffin, Austin ever

1182
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: spell on Blake's knee, gallop nineteen games, Boban and Tobias

1183
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: Scott here later that year. Yeah, I think they're definitely

1184
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:01,519
Speaker 2: in a traindditional phase. But by no means are they

1185
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: just like punting on the season, Like there's still They're

1186
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: still all a couple of draft picks that okay, so

1187
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: they so they have to remain competitive. And I think

1188
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: this is my opinion, This is not what I at

1189
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: all what anyone else is saying, is my opinion the

1190
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: league is trending towards more towards like two star led

1191
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,119
Speaker 2: teams as opposed to three star teams, just because it's

1192
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: much harder to build a team, an actual team in

1193
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: this new CBA, Like you can't just do three stars

1194
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: of minimums. That doesn't work. It no longer works unless

1195
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: those stars are Like even even with the Suns like

1196
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,039
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant Devin Book are two of the best offensive

1197
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 2: players in in the NBA. Didn't they just get swept

1198
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,119
Speaker 2: last year four?

1199
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1200
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Minnesota in four and dumped on Gad on the

1201
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: way out was a yeah.

1202
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,639
Speaker 2: So, like I, I personally don't believe the way to

1203
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: build teams anymore is a three star system. I think

1204
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: it's more so too. And the Claybers don't even have

1205
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: a max player on this roster if you look at it,

1206
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,599
Speaker 2: they don't have a max player anywhere. They have Kawhiander

1207
00:57:57,639 --> 00:57:59,079
Speaker 2: the max, they have James Wayne to the max, and

1208
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,239
Speaker 2: they have a bunch of compliments guys around them, so

1209
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: they're they're really trying to build a good team here.

1210
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:10,199
Speaker 2: So I can kind of appreciate the attempt here to

1211
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: to build a solid team. And honestly, I think if

1212
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: Paul was willing to accept the three one fifty, which

1213
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: right around that ballpark, which I think if it was

1214
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,159
Speaker 2: on the table to end, like if he accepted that,

1215
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,079
Speaker 2: they would have been a second apron team this year,

1216
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: but they would have probably been under the second apron

1217
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: if they navigated that correctly, and so for next year,

1218
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: they would have been under the second April next year.

1219
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: So like that would have allowed them to Again it's tight,

1220
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,639
Speaker 2: not a lot of margin for you know, movements, but

1221
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: you can do something around there. So I think they

1222
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: were still willing to give him that and navigate around that.

1223
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: But now that he's gone, I mean that opened up

1224
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: the non taxp A mid level, the obviously MLI the

1225
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: bi annual exception which they gave but to him, and

1226
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: so like I think I think it really helped them

1227
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: build an actual team around. So the signing for Chris Dunn,

1228
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,159
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're they're under the first apron. They

1229
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,079
Speaker 2: have a legitimate team with some guys around, very movable

1230
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: pieces if they find out they need to move one eventually.

1231
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: And if you look at how all the contracts line up,

1232
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:14,159
Speaker 2: most of them are kind of either like an option

1233
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,599
Speaker 2: for that last year in twenty six twenty seven, which yeah,

1234
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:20,519
Speaker 2: twenty six twenty seven, which is that that's freegencies what

1235
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: they're kind of targeting some of the big guns. If

1236
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: you look at that free agency, there's a lot of

1237
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: guys that they're uh that may become available, maybe they

1238
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: sign extensions, maybe they don't. And you always need the

1239
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 2: possibility that a star has disguntled, disgruntled and regush the trade.

1240
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,079
Speaker 2: So I think I think they did. They did the

1241
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: right thing and not really caving to any demands, maintaining

1242
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,599
Speaker 2: their their their flexibility, staying under that first apron and

1243
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:47,519
Speaker 2: getting a bunch of complimentary guys. You can kind of

1244
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:49,039
Speaker 2: see what you have here. Like I think Chris Dunn

1245
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:53,119
Speaker 2: is a really solid guard. He's not gonna, you know,

1246
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: keep you twenty a night, but he'll he'll he'll be

1247
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: able to be your point of attack defender at the

1248
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: guard position. He's a really smart guy, doesn't gamble too much.

1249
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 2: A solid defender like Derek Jones Junior would not have

1250
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,239
Speaker 2: been available if they resigned Paul and so Derek Jones

1251
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: is another really good defender who I think you want

1252
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: around Kawhi and James and want to reduce that workload.

1253
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,719
Speaker 2: So they really, they did a really good job building

1254
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:18,599
Speaker 2: an actual team around these Kawhi and James and maintaining

1255
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: the fixibility in twenty six, twenty seven.

1256
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:24,079
Speaker 1: Last question for me because you brought it up and

1257
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: it kind of reminded me of betweeting you and getting

1258
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: some clarity on the situation with the contract with Paul George.

1259
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,599
Speaker 1: Do you believe what he said on his podcast because

1260
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: he presented it as if the three for one point

1261
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:44,519
Speaker 1: fifty wasn't there until later? Do you believe it wasn't

1262
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,639
Speaker 1: there around the All Star break or before they tabled talks.

1263
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,199
Speaker 2: So my understanding, my understanding of this is that the

1264
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: two sixty that he was offered was part of an extension,

1265
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: but he was But I believe it was like a

1266
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: starting point extension type of thing, like obviously, you can

1267
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,639
Speaker 2: negotiate your way up if you want, and that's kind

1268
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: of how business works. We'll start low, you start high,

1269
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: we'll meet in the middle, like that's just how it works.

1270
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: And so I think that was more of like the

1271
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: baseline minimum extension that would include him opting in next trime.

1272
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: I believe, so like that part wasn't included either.

1273
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,239
Speaker 1: No, he acted like they really were just offering two

1274
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,159
Speaker 1: for sixty when it would be him opting in for

1275
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,079
Speaker 1: fifty plus the sixties. So it's one ten as your

1276
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: starting point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a little a little, a little different,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you think he did.

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Speaker 1: Offer him before you know, free agency opened up, that

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Speaker 1: it was there three for one to fifty at some

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Speaker 1: point during the season.

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Speaker 2: Before free agency opened up. My understanding is that there

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Speaker 2: was a three one fifty on the table. I don't

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Speaker 2: believe that was on the table at All Star Break.

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Speaker 2: I think he was still looking for a four year

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Speaker 2: or a max at that point, but I think as

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Speaker 2: free agency got near, he was more willing to accept

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Speaker 2: the three one to fifty. But I think that's where

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Speaker 2: he mentioned the no trade clause. And my understanding was

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Speaker 2: he did request a no trade clause, but the Clippers

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01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: were just not willing to include that. Again, that kind

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Speaker 2: of limits their ability to do anything at that point.

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Speaker 2: And I think with respect to Paul, you do want

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Speaker 2: to have him, but you also want to keep your

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Speaker 2: options open.

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Speaker 3: And what two NTC's in the league right now, Like,

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Speaker 3: how many players even have an NTC at this point.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know. I have no idea. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: even tell you. I think maybe Leron.

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Speaker 1: Broun has one, Lebron has one.

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Speaker 3: Who's I think Bradley Bradley. Yeah, and people thought when

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Speaker 3: he signed that extension, they thought it was insane to

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Speaker 3: give to give him a no trade clause. And he

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Speaker 3: wasn't thirty four years old, and.

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Speaker 2: You saw what Washington have to do. They had to

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Speaker 2: find a way to get him, and they didn't get

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Speaker 2: much back for him, So like, yeah, that complicates things

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Speaker 2: at that point. So yeah, my understanding is that they

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Speaker 2: weren't willing to just give him a no trade clause.

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Speaker 2: Even at three one fifty. They weren't willing to give

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Speaker 2: him that, and they weren't willing to go up because

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Speaker 2: you know, I think, I think you have to look

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Speaker 2: at it this way. I think when when when Paul,

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Speaker 2: when Jane's arrived, I think there was understanding that, Okay,

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: all three of us are gonna have stick some kind

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Speaker 2: of pay cut in order to make this work. We

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01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:12,119
Speaker 2: can't just max all of you like. It doesn't work

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01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: that way. And so I think even if you if

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: you even look back to training camp in Hawaii, we

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Speaker 2: asked Paul about extension dogs and he goes, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're good, but we still have to meet at the

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Speaker 2: right number. So even back then he was saying that,

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01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:32,519
Speaker 2: he was saying that we're not We're not there yet.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: just again hard, hard to turn down another seventy million

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Speaker 2: or whatever that ended up being sixty million, Like I think, everyone,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing that. I don't care if I have believe

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01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: in Philly for you an extra year, I'm doing that

1329
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: seventy million dollars generational money. But the three one fifty

1330
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: was there. I think at that point you just wanted

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Speaker 2: to know trade clause. And you know, I think the

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Speaker 2: last thing I will say on that, I think you

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01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,199
Speaker 2: also have to, you know, considered the you know, from

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Speaker 2: the Clippers perspective, the relationship part of it, where you know,

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Speaker 2: if you tell Kawhi, James and Paul, hey, this is

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01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:10,159
Speaker 2: what we want to sign you guys to, it'll work

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01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: for all us and we can build a team around you. Okay.

1338
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: So so, so James plans to sign that whenever it happens,

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01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,639
Speaker 2: whenever agency happens. You know, if Kawhi signed his extension

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01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: when he did, uh so, then you can't turn around

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Speaker 2: and then give Paul way more than you gave Kawhi,

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01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: or way more than you planned to give James, because

1343
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: they're like, wait, what about me? I thought we had

1344
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,559
Speaker 2: an agreement and you might kind of mess some relationships

1345
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,239
Speaker 2: up like that, And I don't think this is how

1346
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. Do think you can't do that obviously,

1347
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: So James signed pretty quickly. I agreed pretty quickly after

1348
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: free agency. I think they they knew they wanted to

1349
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: continue their partnership together. Uh. Kawhi had his back then

1350
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,119
Speaker 2: in January, and I think it was very clear. I

1351
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: mean I'd been writing it was it was it was

1352
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 2: kind of training in that direction that he was just

1353
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: going to be gone that final month heading into the finals.

1354
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: It just felt like he was on his way out. Uh.

1355
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: He felt kind of disrespected by the Clippers offer, and

1356
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,559
Speaker 2: he would Uh. I wanted to get that four year deal,

1357
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:07,119
Speaker 2: so he did. Congrats to him. That's that's life changing money.

1358
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,719
Speaker 2: And Uh, I look forward to seeing how everyone involved.

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01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,119
Speaker 3: Does very diplomatic answer.

1360
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,639
Speaker 2: Honestly, honestly, he said, I'm looking forward to the scrutiny

1361
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:21,199
Speaker 2: and the criticism from Philly fans. Okay, I want to

1362
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:21,519
Speaker 2: see it.

1363
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 3: Believe it when I see it, Pal, I'll believe it

1364
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:24,559
Speaker 3: when I see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough thing because, like again, Paul had

1366
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:30,719
Speaker 2: such a great tenure here with the Clippers. He was

1367
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: really great with us in the media, like he was

1368
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,239
Speaker 2: solid with fans, like fans love the podcast, like it

1369
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: just didn't need to go there. It really didn't got.

1370
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Speaker 1: His podcast off the ground. The Clippers fans did. It's

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Speaker 1: not it may not be going right now if it

1372
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Speaker 1: wasn't Forcliper Nations supporting it from the ground floor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Best of luck to him

1374
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,719
Speaker 2: though he was he was, he was a joy to

1375
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: cover five years here. He did he was always great

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Speaker 2: with us in the media. I will say that, like,

1377
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: regardless of how much he said, like I think he was,

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01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: he tried his best to be open and forthcoming with

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01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: with anything that we had to ask. And I think

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: from that perspective, you appreciate that. You definitely want that.

1381
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: It helps you understand the bigger picture of a bit

1382
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: more so. I think from that aspect, nothing, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate, appreciative. I'm appreciative for my time covering and

1384
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:26,039
Speaker 2: he was he was great with us considering you have

1385
01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:28,519
Speaker 2: you know Kawhi who doesn't really speak that much. James

1386
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: wasn't a big talker. Russ, who we know is not

1387
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,239
Speaker 2: a big talker like Paul was the one guy who

1388
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:36,039
Speaker 2: would speak, so uh definitely appreciate it to him for that.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you and all your time today here Till

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Speaker 1: Mayra on Clips and Dip my friends. Well, if there's

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Speaker 1: nothing else, you want to let the people know where

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Speaker 1: they can find this spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, thanks Againtel Mayor for joining us. You can

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Speaker 3: even check out Clips and Dip over on YouTube that's

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Speaker 3: at Clippers podcast, or you can listen to us wherever

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Speaker 3: Wow, we're lying in Bezos's pocket over here.

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Speaker 2: What an off season for Amazon.

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Speaker 1: As he sells his stuff. Maybe we're the reason why,

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Speaker 1: uh Tmarra, thanks again for doing this. Where can people

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Speaker 1: find you?

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Speaker 2: Where can people read your work? I know think, thank

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Speaker 2: you guys for having me. It's always fun to be

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Speaker 2: uh to be on the clipch and Dip show. I'm

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Speaker 2: missing Chuck again shout out. Uh but no. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: can find my stuff on on on Twitter, on clutch

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Speaker 2: points dot com. My handle is t O M E

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Speaker 2: R A Z A R O Y. Yeah. I have

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Speaker 2: a story with Jordan Miller coming out in the next

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Speaker 2: couple of days. I won't Jason Tatum that I did

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Speaker 2: that's coming on in the next day or two, just

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Speaker 2: having with Donovan Mitchell also spoke with the Christie brothers

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Speaker 2: Max and Camp Christie in Vegas, so uh, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: can find my stuff there, find on clutch Points Twitter,

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Speaker 2: I'm not calling it x Instagram and yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that's I think that's pretty much. Oh. I have a

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Speaker 2: cool little Norman power workout video. I got to watch

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Speaker 2: one of his workout videos and workouts in Vegas, so

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Speaker 2: I'm putting together a nice little compilation video of him. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Then I'll probably be posting soon as well. So what

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Speaker 2: you get ready? That's tough, because dude, I've gone I

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01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: thought about I thought about I thought about reaching out

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Speaker 2: to me, like, hey, Drake Kendrick like, what are we

1428
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Speaker 2: what are we doing here? Because you spent six or

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Speaker 2: seven years in Toronto, but I know that you've been

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Speaker 2: in La Now. I don't know how that's tough. I'm undecided.

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Speaker 1: We know where Demarto Rosen's allegians last in the day,

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Speaker 1: not like us video.

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Speaker 2: My god, Drake's heard in the Yeah in the video,

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Speaker 2: that's how you know. I'm glad he was involved in

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,520
Speaker 2: that video, though, I will say because for for a

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Speaker 2: while I thought he I thought he said Derek Rose

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Speaker 2: or t Rose. I thought that I thought he made

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 2: why you mentioned Derek Rose? But I'm not going to

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 2: question Kendrick. Well, he also said.

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Speaker 1: That video Joel Osmond and instead of Hailey Joel Osmond,

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01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: he said the preacher swindler.

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Speaker 2: Guy, Oh did he Yeah, he's.

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Speaker 1: Just talking about the sixth sense and he messed that

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Speaker 1: up too. So whatever, it's cool.

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Speaker 2: It's Kate. Do you do whatever he wants exactly? Yeah,

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna question it. Do your thing, man, Well you.

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Speaker 1: Want to get this out of here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. Everybody who listened or watched this,

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Speaker 3: And uh is our not Her co host always says,

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Speaker 3: let's go