1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot com and. 2 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Good morning in case maybe you are here live with 3 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:33,759 doctor Jeff Werber, the host for the next thirty minutes 4 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:35,600 on Ask the Bets of Doctor Jeff here on pet 5 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,920 Life Radio. And we are the only live call in 6 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:41,840 radio show here on pet Life Radio, something we want 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,159 you to take advantage of. So if you have any 8 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,399 questions about your pets, I always have an agenda. We're 9 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:50,359 talking about some different organ systems we're going through and 10 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:52,960 I think we're going to continue eyes today, but makes 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,479 no difference any question you have, give us a call. 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: You can call us live right here. 13 00:00:56,799 --> 00:01:00,119 Speaker 2: At eight seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two. 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,399 You can log on if you're with us right now 15 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:05,000 on the internet, you can just go on to pet 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,799 Life Radio, click on the Ask the Vets tab and 17 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:10,799 you will see a big box that says join the conversation, 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,480 and you can do just that, join in the conversation 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,879 and start typing away. 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Coming up soon, 38 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,080 we're going to be at the Western Veterinari conference and 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,400 then very shortly thereafter at the Global pet Expo. As 40 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:20,479 a matter of fact, a number of our hosts here 41 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:23,319 on pet Life Radio will hopefully be attending that conference 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,759 and we should have a lot of fun together. So 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,919 we've gone through a lot of organ systems lately. I 44 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,879 always feel that an educated pet parent is going to 45 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:35,319 be able to make better decisions, is going to be 46 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:37,639 a lot more comfortable with the things that they hear, 47 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:41,039 and more likely be able to engage in conversation with 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,800 a veterinarian, you know, philosophically. I get to stand on 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,479 my soapbox since this is my show. I am a 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,639 bit concerned, to say the least, at the quality of 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,840 veterinarians coming out today. And I don't mean knowledge, because 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,800 the knowledge is there, Oh my god, they're smart. What 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,159 I mean is that because of technology, because of internet, 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,680 because of all these factors, because of legal issues. I 55 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:09,319 continually find that young veterinarians are so afraid to commit 56 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,000 to the obvious that instead they want to test for 57 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:16,520 everything in sight. Heaven forbid they should miss something at 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,240 the first visit. And that's really not the way doctors 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,960 and I mean human doctors as well, should be practicing 60 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,240 medicine to do a good job. It's to get that 61 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:28,280 thorough history, do a good physical exam, and before you 62 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,800 even go to technology, and that by that, I mean 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,439 before you go to the ultrasum machine, before you go 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,680 to the X ray machine, before you go to the 65 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:38,520 laboratory for all the blood in your analysis, based on 66 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:40,759 what you see in front of you, based on the 67 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:43,840 physical exam, based on the history, how it came on, 68 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:46,919 where the pet lives. I mean, all these factors, you 69 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,919 should have a pretty darn good idea of what's going on. 70 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:53,080 And then you get to pick and choose the appropriate 71 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:56,240 tests to rule out those obvious things first, and then 72 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:59,080 after that you can go on to the B level 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,360 and ultimately the CEA level. I mean see with the 74 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:04,719 ABC not SEA. And what I'm saying is is that 75 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,879 you know little expressions that I find myself using every day. 76 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,520 If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,680 wacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. So rule 78 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:14,919 out your duck first before you start looking for other things. 79 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:17,920 And my favorite rule, I call it my favorite was 80 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:20,160 a kiss rule. And I don't mean some really great 81 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:23,639 tongue for that really cute retriever kiss, meaning keep it simple, stupid, 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,399 stop looking for the hard things, stop looking for the esoterics, 83 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,959 stop looking for that disease that the vest cann probably 84 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,759 see twice in his or her lifetime, and let's go 85 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,920 with the obvious stuff. And lastly is the expression I've 86 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,480 used it before you. I know many of you that 87 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,240 listen I have heard me say it. Obviously it could 88 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,600 be appropriate to anywhere you live, but you'll get it 89 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,160 when I talk about here in California. But if you're 90 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:46,839 running along the beach in Malibu and you hear hoof 91 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,759 beats chasing you from behind, what are you thinking? Horses 92 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:53,639 are zebras? And the logical obvious answers horses. We don't 93 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,279 see zebras running along the beach in Malibum. We can 94 00:04:56,319 --> 00:04:58,759 see horses, So doctor I would say, why are you 95 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,120 looking for those zebras? Haven't even ruled out your horses yet? 96 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: And that's kind of where it boils down to. 97 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: So I've been going through organ systems for those of 98 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,600 you that may not have been joining us on Sunday 99 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,319 mornings here. And we finished some of the endocrine conditions. 100 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,800 Those are the glands, and we talked about thyroid, We 101 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:18,279 talked about diabetes, both kinds. We talked about Addison's disease. 102 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:21,560 So now I'm sort of starting in that head end 103 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:24,040 and we're going to go through some organ systems and 104 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:27,079 one that has always intrigued me, one that I actually 105 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,040 I often joked that had I not wanted to get 106 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:33,439 into practice. Had I not been older relatively to some 107 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,600 of my classmates when I graduated veterinary school, I may 108 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:39,759 have even considered this one as a specialty. Fortunately well 109 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,160 I didn't because I really now hindsight, I love as 110 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:45,399 a GP getting to do a little bit of everything. 111 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: I don't get bored that way. It's very exciting. 112 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:49,879 Speaker 2: I get long term relationship with my clients, which probably 113 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,199 for me in practice, the relationship I developed with my 114 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:55,439 patients and my clients is probably my thrill. Whereas when 115 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:57,800 you're a specialist, you work through that case, and once 116 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,439 that case is solved, unless that client has other pets 117 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:02,560 that end up needing that same specialty, you may not 118 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,959 ever see them again. And to me, that wasn't what 119 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,399 becoming veterinarians alt about. But we started with eyes, and 120 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:10,720 I really do like eyes, and I do a lot 121 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,399 of as a GP, I do a lot of eye work. Actually, 122 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:16,560 I find just talking to my associates and colleagues of mine, 123 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,160 probably more than many do, just because I enjoy it 124 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:21,920 so much. And a couple of weeks ago when we started, 125 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,120 before we had our guest host talking about hospice and 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,839 home euthanasia, and being at the show, we had started 127 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:31,839 talking about some of the eye diseases and we mentioned glaucoma, 128 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:35,120 and glaucoma, as you recall, is a condition where the 129 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:39,360 eye pressures inside the eyeball itself get very high. There 130 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,800 are two chambers in the eye. One is filled with 131 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:45,680 a vitreous and when the eye pressure, because of poor 132 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,560 drainage between these two portions of the eye start to 133 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,879 fail or because of certain diseases, the actual pressure in 134 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,360 the eyeball. Think of it as a thick walled balloon 135 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,600 water balloon. You can fill it up with water and 136 00:06:57,639 --> 00:06:59,199 you can still push it, but you get to a 137 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,079 point where you're so tight you can barely push it. 138 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,480 You can't indent it with your thumb anymore, and we 139 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:07,839 need to, in a sense deflate. You can ask, you know, 140 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,439 the Patriots and Tom Brady how to do that, but 141 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,920 you know, we can deflate the globe if you will, 142 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,079 through medication, through surgery and control the pressures and ultimately, 143 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,079 depending on the underlying cause and the success of the 144 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,360 various treatments employed to try to reduce that pressure, whether 145 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:28,240 it's through medication, surgery, cryosurgery, whatever, laser those eyes or 146 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:31,040 that eye the effected eye often needs to be removed. 147 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,519 Much more traumatic, by the way, for us than it 148 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,439 is for the dog. Is a little side note. Not 149 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,920 a client coming the other day and she had a 150 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:41,839 little Chihuaha that she adopted. She just felt so sorry 151 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:45,079 for it. It was terribly abused. No one really knows 152 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,040 why or where, but it ended up at the shelter 153 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,399 and both eyes had to be removed. Now you would 154 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:53,360 think that given a dog where both eyes had to 155 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,199 be removed, meaning now we have a completely blind dog, 156 00:07:56,439 --> 00:08:00,959 that this dog would be ull and MOPy, maybe unfriendly, 157 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,120 maybe fearful because it does can't see what's approaching. O contraire, 158 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,000 this thing, this little Chihuahua, is the happiest, the sweetest thing. 159 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,120 Love is being held, gives kisses. It is just unbelievable 160 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,040 to me how things it seem to bother us so much. 161 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,240 Pets are so resonant, they are able, they rebound so 162 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:25,439 well from these terrible situations. 163 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:26,319 Speaker 3: I was amazed. 164 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,639 Speaker 2: This dog I've seen a number of times now before. 165 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:30,920 It's like now that it's getting used to its new 166 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,919 home and is so well adapted, is even better, which 167 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,480 I can't believe it's even better because it was so 168 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:38,200 good to begin with. So on the subject of eyes, 169 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,960 you know, let's talk about some of the earlier conditions 170 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,120 that we see. And these are conditions typically if we 171 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:45,759 see them early. What does that typically mean. Well, if 172 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:47,559 you're seeing something very early, like in a puppy or 173 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,919 a kitten, then there's a good chance that it's a 174 00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:54,159 congenital problem and something that they were born with maybe 175 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,320 has a hereditary predisposition, as in some of the diseases 176 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,960 that we see. Maybe not, but something that we early on. 177 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,639 One of the things would be, for example, we'll see 178 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,559 dogs that have adbarrant lashes and these are little teeny 179 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:11,000 lashes that are normal in position, but they're growing the 180 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,559 wrong way. And in other cases we're seeing multiple the 181 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,000 little hair follicle went astray and it's just putting out 182 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,519 all these little hair follicles with lashes growing in every 183 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:23,600 which direction. The problem there is that the lashes are 184 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:26,720 growing and rubbing on the eyeballs. So we see these 185 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:31,120 little dogs come in squinting like crazy, very uncomfortable, often 186 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:34,720 with corneal ulcers. These are abrasions, These are irritations on 187 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:38,120 the eyeball. Because of the rubbing of the lashes. And 188 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,240 what happens when a dog has this discomfort, this pain, 189 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,519 this rubbing, well they start squinting. So now picture this 190 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:49,080 as they squint and those eyes shut, the lashes actually 191 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,039 digging even more to huge, huge issue some fancy names 192 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,399 trickiasis distic iasis. And what we need to do is 193 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:59,720 those lashes either need to be removed, could be done 194 00:09:59,759 --> 00:10:03,759 through freezing them like appellation, if you will. They have 195 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:06,840 to be surgically removed. That's via what's called a lid 196 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:11,559 splitting procedure where the actual hair follicle, the entire lash 197 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,919 and follicle is removed. Electrolysis could be done. I'm sure 198 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,480 many of you know or maybe have had that done before. 199 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,960 So we have to destroy those lashes and at the 200 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,720 same time, sometimes temporarily evert the lids so that means 201 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,039 pull the lids going backwards in the opposite direction, so 202 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,840 those lashes don't continually rub on the eyeball. The good 203 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,519 news is it's very fixable and once fixed, oh my god, 204 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,440 the difference that you see in these pets that have 205 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,679 had problems with their lids is dramatic. Now, well on 206 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,720 in the subject of lids. Let's talk about another very 207 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,759 very common problem that we see certain breeds more than others. 208 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,600 We'll see it often in Chow Chow's Sharpay's I'm gonna 209 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,200 giving you a hint, we see it in Rottweiler's. Truth is, 210 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:56,840 we could see it in any dog, but in a 211 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,879 much higher predisposition, and that is called tropyon. Entropyon literally 212 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:06,399 means an inward rolling of the eyelids. So even though 213 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:10,200 the lashes are normal, the hair at the lids are normal. 214 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,679 Because of the inward rolling, we continually again have hair 215 00:11:14,919 --> 00:11:17,600 that's rubbing directly on the eyeball. 216 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,879 Speaker 3: And it's very interesting. Dogs don't seem to be. 217 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: As bothered initially anyway by having something in their eye. 218 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,679 How crazy do we get when we have a lash 219 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,159 in our eye or a little dust particle, or for 220 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:33,000 any of you that wear contacts and get that little minute, 221 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,759 little dust particle under the lens, you're tearing. 222 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: It's painful, it's irritating. 223 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,519 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we have dogs that'll stick their heads out of 224 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,879 it's going sixty miles an hour and are totally fine. 225 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,519 Or I'm continually looking at a dog's eye and I'm 226 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:49,840 seeing all this crowd or I'm seeing something that doesn't belong. 227 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 3: In it, it makes me fine. 228 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:55,919 Speaker 2: But once the abrasive action on the cornea has done 229 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:58,399 its damage, and I'll explain why just a Minutehen we 230 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,679 come back from our break, that's when we start seeing 231 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,559 the problem. That's when we start seeing more squinting and 232 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:07,799 more pain. So their ability to withstand the discomfort early 233 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,240 on with an indtact cornea is amazing. But once that 234 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,759 cornea is abraided, forget about it. So we're gonna come 235 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:17,720 back in just a few minutes. You know, it goes 236 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:19,519 very quickly. I still want to hear from you. I've 237 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:21,120 seen nobody joining in the conversation. 238 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:21,759 Speaker 3: That's terrible. 239 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: Give us a call at eight seven seven three eight 240 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,240 five eight eight eight to two. We could talk about eyes, 241 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,320 we could talk about your pets. We can all about anything, 242 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:29,639 but we got to talk about it. 243 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,279 Speaker 3: So give me a call. We'll be right back after 244 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:31,879 the short break. 245 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages. Stay tuned. 246 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:44,039 Speaker 3: This is my tired of itching face. 247 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: Does your dog suffer from persistent itching and scratching? Allergies 248 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,919 and skin irritation is caused by environment, including pollens, insects, 249 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,039 especially fleas, food and common household allergens are common problems 250 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:57,480 and dogs. It's easy to alleviate your dogs is comfort 251 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,000 at home with pro Sense. 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Let's Talk Past, 288 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:13,279 Let's talk Pets, Talk about Life Radio, Headline Radio, pet 289 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,159 Live Radio dot. 290 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:35,879 Speaker 7: Com and welcome back. 291 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,799 Speaker 2: You are live with doctor Jeff Weerber here in my 292 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:42,840 home studio in gorgeous Los Angeles, California. Hope wherever you 293 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:46,360 are you are braving either cold winter or maybe like 294 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,840 lucky like me in a nice sunny day. Before the break, 295 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,919 we were talking about eyes. We were talking about how 296 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,080 the amazing ability that dogs don't seem to be bothered 297 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:58,559 by getting something in their eye, and yet sometimes they'll present, 298 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,279 they'll come in with this horrendous irritation. Conjunctivite is tearing 299 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:07,519 eye discharge because of something called entopy on an inward 300 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,799 rolling of the eyes. And the solution the answer is simple. 301 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,480 The cornea actually has seven layers. There are five layers 302 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,039 of tissue and two tear film layers. Interestingly, the nerve 303 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,759 endings are in the outermost tissue layer. So what happened 304 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:27,879 is when that layer is intact, it's a true protectant 305 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:31,840 and allows dogs to therefore not be bothered by dust 306 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:34,120 particles in the eye. Or that's why they could stick 307 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:36,519 your head on a windo over a moving car. They 308 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:38,519 could be hunting and get a little some bushes rubbing 309 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:42,480 against their eye as long as it doesn't a braid 310 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:46,799 erode that outermost layer. But once it does, we call 311 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:50,440 that an abrasion or an ulcer, a corneal ulcer, and 312 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:55,639 now those nerve endings are exposed and it becomes extremely painful. 313 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:59,840 As a matter of fact, there are different depths to ulcers. Clearly, 314 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,360 what we call a superficial ulcer is the one that 315 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:05,839 if our pets are going to have one, it's the 316 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,200 one we want them to have. However, superficial corneal ulcers 317 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:13,200 are believe it or not, actually more painful than deep 318 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:16,599 ulcers because the deep ones have already gone past that nervoting, 319 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,720 so you can have a For example, the deepest of 320 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:21,720 the deep of ulcers is called a dysmeticeal because it's 321 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,400 penetrating Decimet's membrane, which is the last membrane there, and 322 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,039 it's just it's the last protection between that and the 323 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,160 front part of the eye. Okay, so we call the 324 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,599 anterior chamber. Well, those dogs are walking around with dys meticeals, 325 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,480 where that's very serious, very dangerous because the eye can 326 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:46,000 actually pop rupture, and they are in less pain less 327 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,279 discomfort than the dog who's just got a little superficial scratch, 328 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:53,319 which something that's very treatable, healable, et cetera, unless, of course, 329 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,599 they have some sort of defect called the Stromold defect, 330 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,519 which actually impedes it slows down their healing, and then 331 00:17:58,519 --> 00:18:01,279 we have to do some fancy footwark to get those 332 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,519 cells to want to heal again. So the entropy on 333 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:09,279 problem over time. It's not the first time the dog's 334 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,880 eyelashes or hair from the eye lids hit the eye 335 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:16,039 causing the problem, but it's over time with every time 336 00:18:16,039 --> 00:18:18,079 they blink, every time they open and close their eyes. 337 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,279 Is that finally it takes its toll. It starts a 338 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,000 braiding and now they get painful. Now we get the 339 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:27,400 ulcers now that because of that, now they want to 340 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,720 squint even more. And of course, just like with the 341 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:32,680 distic isais, the trick isis the more they squint, the 342 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,400 more damage they cause, and it's a vicious cycle. So 343 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,240 we need to fix these eyes now. Sometimes I'll see 344 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,480 these dogs sharpey puppies, chow chow puppies, roddy puppies that 345 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:46,640 have already some degree of entropy on. And yet you 346 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,079 don't want to fix those permanently because we need to 347 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,839 wait until these dogs stop growing. Because picture this. In 348 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,839 order to fix the inward rolling, okay, we need to 349 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,240 kind of bring those lids back. But as a dog 350 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,480 grows picture of the Sharpei is a perfect example into 351 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:06,960 their face, things are going to kind of tighten up 352 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,000 on their own. Well, if you fix or you have 353 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,079 the lids fixed as a puppy where you now made 354 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,880 the lids perfect, and then that dog continues to grow 355 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:21,160 into their face. Now we have the opposite of enentropyon. 356 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:24,279 We have something called an ec tropion, which the. 357 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: Eyelids droop outward. You get these heavy lids. 358 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: Think of the Bloodhound right, or the Saint Bernard or 359 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:34,200 the Newfoundland where they have these huge heavy lids and 360 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,799 you look down at them, all you see is a 361 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,440 big pockets of pink, right, the pink content tybal tissue. 362 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: That's a form of x tropyon. 363 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,279 Speaker 2: So what I recommend and don't ever let a veterinarian 364 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:49,960 talk you into having your pets eyelids fixed prior to 365 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:54,160 full growth. And what we do is a temporary fix. 366 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:59,119 It is a temporary lid tack where we're not removing 367 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,960 any skin, we're not allowing for the healing into a 368 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,160 different location. All we're doing is temporarily everting the lids, 369 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,720 bringing them out so the dog is more comfortable. We 370 00:20:10,759 --> 00:20:13,599 can now treat the ulcer, we can treat the irritation, 371 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,720 and once they are full grown, now we can take 372 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,920 our tax away and see kind of where we're at. 373 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:24,119 And it's amazing how many dogs, after being tacked and 374 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,519 then complete their growth, never need surgery anyway, So be 375 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,119 very very very cautious about that. 376 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: But so entropyon ectropion. Those are eye lid issues. 377 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,839 Speaker 2: And speaking of premature surgery or inappropriate surgery, this brings 378 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,880 me to another very very common problem, again very breed related, 379 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,200 something we'll probably see more in the cocker spaniel, the 380 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,000 English bulldog, the lassa, the sheitsu, and many of you 381 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,759 that no eyes or have had these breeds. 382 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:53,839 Speaker 3: You might be thinking to yourself already, oh, I got it, 383 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,839 I know it, I know it. 384 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: And that is called a prolapsed gland of the third eyelid. 385 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:03,319 But we all call it the late term, even veterinarians 386 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:05,759 call it the late term. And that is cherry eye. 387 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,119 And if I were to ask you, and if I 388 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,119 could see your hands going up, how many of you 389 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,359 have heard of cherry eye? How many of you have 390 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,440 had pets that have had cherry eye? I can just 391 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,799 see it already, all these hands going up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 392 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,160 And it's a very common problem. It is so common 393 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,839 that I have Back when cocker spaniels were even more 394 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:24,559 popular than they are now, I would go sometimes through 395 00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:28,200 in a week see five, six, seven puppies where I 396 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,240 was doing cherry eye surgery. And the reason why I 397 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:35,400 often say inappropriate twofold number one when that gland they 398 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,079 Let's talk about the mechanics first. The dogs and cats 399 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,640 have what's called a third eyelid. If you ever want 400 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,799 to see the third eye lit how it works when 401 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:45,920 they blink. They have a lid that comes from the 402 00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:49,839 inside corner and it comes up to the outside corner. 403 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:52,160 If you want to see it in action, if you 404 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,680 go to your dog or cat right now and just 405 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,640 very gently let me repeat that, very gently, take your 406 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:01,279 finger on top of the upper eyelid and then just 407 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,640 kind of push down on the eye so the eyelid's 408 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,319 not closed. You're just using that as you you don't 409 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:07,400 want to touch the eyeball with your finger, so using 410 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,640 the lid, all right, And as you push that eyeball 411 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,279 in just a little, you're gonna see that lid that 412 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,319 flap come up. And it's an extra protective mechanism. It's 413 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:22,000 that mechanism that has protected the eyes from getting all 414 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,400 the scratches for the you know, animals that are going 415 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,279 through thick brush, animals that are playing with each other. 416 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 3: It's that extra protective lid. 417 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,039 Speaker 2: Well, on the inside of that lid is a gland 418 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:34,839 called a gland of the third eyelid or the nictitating 419 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,920 membrane the nyctotans, and this gland is a lymphoid type 420 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,279 follicular gland, and like many others, it's very reactive. So 421 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:45,240 when a dog has an irritation, when a dog has, 422 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:49,279 for example, any problem, that gland gets very large and 423 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,160 it gets very red and filliicular, very bumpy. Well, in 424 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,039 some of these dogs, it actually gets so big it 425 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,920 pops out. It prolapses, and we call that a pro 426 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:00,720 lapse bland of the third eye lid or cherry I 427 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:02,960 and I mean when I started practicing was working for 428 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,160 my ex boss. The treatment back then was to remove it, 429 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,960 and they did fine. They do totally find post surgically. 430 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 7: Ah. 431 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 3: But there's a problem. 432 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: We've learned that this gland has more function than just 433 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,720 a protective land, just a reactive gland, all right. It 434 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,480 also provides an accessory tiar a supply. Now, when you 435 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:26,720 have these young dogs. 436 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: They have their tear glands are working just fine, so 437 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,680 they don't need accessory, they don't need extra. Ah. 438 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,079 Speaker 2: But when the dogs get older and their tear glands 439 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:37,200 start to dry up a little bit, if you will, 440 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,119 now we need they need the extra tears produced by 441 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,119 that nictotan, that nictotating membrane gland, the third eyelid, the 442 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,200 third island land, the cherry ee. And if you removed 443 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,359 it when they were puppies, guess what. Now these dogs 444 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,880 as they get older don't have enough tears and get 445 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,960 a condition called KCS corado conjunctivitis sicca cicca, meaning dry 446 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,759 also known as dry eye. And that one, ladies and gentlemen, 447 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:06,279 that is a tough one to deal with. So we 448 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,400 have learned that we cannot remove that gland. We actually 449 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,119 have to come up with a way to tucket or 450 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,960 depending on the ability to blink and. 451 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: Keep it moist. It's all aesthetic. 452 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: That gland can stay out there as long as when 453 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,720 dogs blink that they cover it with tears. It stays moist, 454 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,519 it stays nice and pink and smooth. It doesn't need 455 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,519 to be fixed, but cosmetically, let's face it, most of 456 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,519 us want to have this gland fixed. So we are 457 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:36,920 at that time. Time flies by when you're having a 458 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,559 good time. So next week when we come back, we're 459 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:44,079 going to talk about the techniques, the importance of actually 460 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,400 not removing that gland, and also then none let me 461 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,960 repeat that non emergency nature of this problem, and I'm 462 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,400 going to tell you a very interesting story that happened 463 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,079 to one of my patients with cherry I and an 464 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:00,799 emergency clinic. 465 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: So anyway, thanks for joining me. I want to once. 466 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:07,279 Speaker 2: Again thank our sponsors, prost sensepetproduct Com. If you want 467 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:08,920 to get hold of me during the week, if you're embarrassed, 468 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,279 if you're shy, or if you there's a subject matter 469 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,480 that you just want some help with, go ahead and 470 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:16,920 send me an email to DRJF. That's doctor Jeff at 471 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,400 Petlife Radio dot com. 472 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: We'll talk about it. 473 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,839 Speaker 2: I will hopefully educate you, ease your mind. Whatever I 474 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,680 can do to at least make you more aware and 475 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:28,720 understanding of whatever problem you're having, or if you get 476 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,200 the courage next week, join us log onto the show 477 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,160 at petlife radio dot com, ask the bets with doctor Jeff, 478 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,240 or give us a call eight seven seven three eight 479 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,359 five eight eight A two. Have a wonderful week, and 480 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,359 we'll see you next Sunday. 481 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: Let's Talk pets every week on demand only on petlife 482 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:56,880 radio dot com