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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome back to our exploration of the fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>world of science and discovery. It is Tuesday, February seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six, and today we are we're pointing our

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<v Speaker 2>attention upward, way up.

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<v Speaker 3>We are. Indeed, we're looking at our nearest neighbor, the

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<v Speaker 3>celestial body that has captivated humanity since we first looked

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<v Speaker 3>up at the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>The Moon. It's the ultimate constant, right You look up

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<v Speaker 2>at night, and there it is. Sometimes it's a sliver,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's a big, bright orb, but it's always there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's comforting, it's reliable, and I think if you ask

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<v Speaker 2>the app rich person on the street, or even me

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<v Speaker 2>honestly before reading this material, to describe the Moon's geology,

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<v Speaker 2>they probably say it's a done.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal, a fossil that's the word that's often used in textbooks.

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<v Speaker 2>A planetary fossil exactly, a big, silent, gray rock where

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<v Speaker 2>nothing has really happened since the dinosaurs were wiped out,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even longer. You see the craters, the dark spots,

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<v Speaker 2>and you figure, okay, that's the furniture. It hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>rearranged in billions of years.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels static unchanging.

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<v Speaker 2>It does. But the source material we are unpacking today

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<v Speaker 2>is going to dismantle that idea pretty thoroughly. It turns

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<v Speaker 2>out that dead is a very relative term in planetary science.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely is, and this new study really drives that

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<v Speaker 3>point home. We're learning that our quiet neighbor is well,

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<v Speaker 3>not so quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all. We have a fascinating new study here

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<v Speaker 2>published in the Planetary Science Journal, coming from a team

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<v Speaker 2>at the National Air and Space Museum Center for Earth

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<v Speaker 2>and Planetary Studies, and the headline is not just that

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<v Speaker 2>the moon is active, is that the Moon is actively

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<v Speaker 2>shrinking and shaking. Don't forget the shaking, right, It's getting

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<v Speaker 2>smaller and it's trembling while it's doing it. So our

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<v Speaker 2>mission for this discussion is to unpack this incredible global

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<v Speaker 2>map and analysis produced by these scientists. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about a specific geological feature called small mare ridges

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<v Speaker 2>or SMRs for sure SMRs ye, And we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out why the Moon is wrinkling up like a raisin,

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<v Speaker 2>and more importantly, what that actually means for the humans

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<v Speaker 2>we are planning.

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<v Speaker 3>To send back there, because it really changes the risk profile.

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<v Speaker 3>It changes it significantly for future explorers.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start with the discovery itself. The study centers

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<v Speaker 2>on these small mirror ridges. I love a good acronym,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're calling them SMRs. But before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers, help me visualize this. If I'm an astronaut

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<v Speaker 2>standing on the Moon looking at an SMR, what am

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<v Speaker 2>I actually seeing?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? So to visualize this, you have to understand the landscape. First,

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<v Speaker 3>the Moon basically has two types of terrain. Very broadly speaking,

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<v Speaker 3>you have the highlands, the bright parts. The bright parts exact,

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<v Speaker 3>they're rugged, heavily cratered, mountainous areas. Think of the man

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<v Speaker 3>in the moon's face. The light parts. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>ancient original crust of the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the rugged white parts, got it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you have the Maria, the seas from the

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<v Speaker 3>Latin Maria is Latin four seas. Yes, these are the dark,

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<v Speaker 3>flat plains that make up the other features of the

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<v Speaker 3>Man in the Moon. Ancient astronomers looking through early telescopes

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<v Speaker 3>thought they were actual bodies of water because they look

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<v Speaker 3>so smooth compared to the mountains.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're not water, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 3>We know now. They are vast solidified lava flows, mostly basalt,

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<v Speaker 3>very dark rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm standing in the middle of a basalt plain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's dark, it's flat, it's covered in that fine dust.

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<v Speaker 2>It's supposed to be the flattest, smoothest part of the Moon, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the easy place to land.

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<v Speaker 3>That's been the assumption. Yes, for a long time, we

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was relatively featureless, you know, barring the occasional

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<v Speaker 3>impact crater. But this study, led by col Nikofhr and

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Waters, has produced the first globe map of these SMRs.

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<v Speaker 2>And what would it look like.

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<v Speaker 3>If you were standing there. You wouldn't see a giant

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<v Speaker 3>mountain range like the Rockies. You'd see a ridge wrinkle

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<v Speaker 3>in the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>How big are we talking? Is it like a speed

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<v Speaker 2>bumph or more like a hill.

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<v Speaker 3>Bigger than a speed bump. They are small in planetary terms,

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<v Speaker 3>that's why they have that name. But they would be

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<v Speaker 3>pretty substantial if you're trying to hike over one. We're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about scarps, which are cliffs or steep slopes that

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<v Speaker 3>might rise tens of meters high tens.

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<v Speaker 2>Of meters, so like a multi story building exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're not just little mounds. They can extend for kilometers,

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<v Speaker 3>winding across the landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a long winding wall or a buckle in

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<v Speaker 2>the pavement, just on a massive scale.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great way to think of it, a buckle

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<v Speaker 3>in the lunar pavement. But what makes this study such

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<v Speaker 3>a breakthrough isn't just identifying one or two of these.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we've seen oddities before. It's the sheer volume,

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<v Speaker 3>the number of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at the data table and the report

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<v Speaker 2>and the numbers are just startling. They identified eleven one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fourteen new SMR segments.

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<v Speaker 3>Just on the near side lunar Maria, the side that

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<v Speaker 3>faces us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's over a thousand geological features that we just we

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't cataloged them before.

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<v Speaker 3>We hadn't mapped them systematically, We didn't understand how widespread

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<v Speaker 3>they were. And when you add these new findings to

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<v Speaker 3>what was already suspected or known in isolation. The total

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<v Speaker 3>count of these small mirror ridges across the Moon jumps

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<v Speaker 3>to two thousand, six hundred thirty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand, six hundred. That is a significant amount of wrinkling.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not just a localized anomaly, that's a pattern.

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<v Speaker 3>It completely changes the map. It strongly suggests a global

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<v Speaker 3>process is at work.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to pause on that for a second, though.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've been staring at the Moon with high

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<v Speaker 2>powered telescopes for centuries. We've sent orbiters, we've literally had

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<v Speaker 2>boots on the ground. Apollo astronauts walked on the mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>How on earth did we miss over a thousand of

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<v Speaker 2>these ridges.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a combination of a few things, resolution, lighting, and frankly, attention.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew about similar ridges in the Highlands. We'll get

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<v Speaker 3>to those later. They're called obate scarps, right, But the

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<v Speaker 3>prevailing assumption was that the Maria, those deep, thick lava

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<v Speaker 3>planes were structurally different, maybe thicker, more stable, less prone

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<v Speaker 3>to breaking.

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<v Speaker 2>So we weren't really looking for them there.

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<v Speaker 3>We weren't looking for them on this scale. Finding them

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<v Speaker 3>widespread in the Maria is the game changer. Cole Nipe,

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<v Speaker 3>the lead author, he emphasized this. He noted that this

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<v Speaker 3>is the first time scientists have documented the widespread prevalence

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<v Speaker 3>of these features throughout the lunar mare.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not that they were invisible and so we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize they were everywhere, that it was a consistent pattern.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely. It's like looking at a smooth sheet of ice

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<v Speaker 3>on a lake from a distance, it looks perfect. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you get down on your hands and knees with

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<v Speaker 3>a magnifying glass, or if you catch the light just

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<v Speaker 3>right at sunset.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah the lighting.

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<v Speaker 3>The lighting is key. Low angle sunlight makes shadows that

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<v Speaker 3>reveal subtle topography. You suddenly realize the whole sheet of

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<v Speaker 3>ice is crisscrossed with tiny stress fractures and ridges.

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<v Speaker 2>And those fractures tell you the ice is under pressure exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>They tell you the ice is moving or changing shape,

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<v Speaker 3>that it's not as stable as it looks, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Leads us perfectly to the mechanism the why we have

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<v Speaker 2>two six hundred and thirty four of these ridges. The

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<v Speaker 2>moon is wrinkling, So why I thought the moon was

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<v Speaker 2>a solid, frozen block of stone, And.

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<v Speaker 3>Understand the why we have to do a little comparative planetology.

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<v Speaker 3>It really helps to look at Earth versus the Moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Earth versus Moon ding.

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<v Speaker 3>Ding fight chuckles, It's less of a fight and more

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<v Speaker 3>of a contrast in styles. Earth is driven by plate tectonics.

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<v Speaker 3>We all learned about this in school. Our crust is

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<v Speaker 3>broken into these massive puzzle pieces, the tectonic.

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<v Speaker 2>Plates, right, the North American plate, Pacific plate, and so on.

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<v Speaker 3>And they float on the semi molten mantle. They crash

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<v Speaker 3>into each other to create the Himalayas, they pull apart

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<v Speaker 3>to create the Atlantic Ocean. They slide past each other

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<v Speaker 3>to create the San Andrea's fault. It's a chaotic, multi.

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<v Speaker 2>Piece system, very dynamic.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is constantly moving and recycling. It's a very active surface.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, dynamic puzzle where the pieces are always shuffling around.

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<v Speaker 3>The Moon is different. The Moon is what we call

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<v Speaker 3>a one plate body.

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<v Speaker 2>One plate, so it's just a continuous solid shell.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a single solid lithosphere. There are no other plates

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<v Speaker 3>to crash into. It's like an orange peel that hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>been sectioned yet, just one solid piece.

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<v Speaker 2>So if there are no plates colliding, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>get a ridge? How do you get a mountain? Usually

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<v Speaker 2>a mountain is formed when two things smash together, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like cars in a head on collision. The hoods just

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<v Speaker 2>buckle up.

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<v Speaker 3>On Earth, yes, that's the primary mountain building process. But

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<v Speaker 3>on the Moon, the ridges are formed because the Moon is.

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<v Speaker 2>Shrinking, shrinking, It is getting physically smaller.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole thing, the whole thing is contracting. Yes, its

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<v Speaker 3>radius is slowly but measurably decreasing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, help me with the physics here. It is it evaporating,

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<v Speaker 2>Is it leaking mass into space or something.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a much simpler process. Actually, it's thermal contraction. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to remember the Moon was born in incredible violenceaing

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<v Speaker 3>theory is the giant impact hypothesis, the big whack, the

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<v Speaker 3>big whack, exactly, a Mars sized object smashed into the

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<v Speaker 3>early Earth, and the debris from that collision eventually coalesced

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<v Speaker 3>to form the Moon.

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<v Speaker 2>So it started out hot, very hot.

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<v Speaker 3>It started out molten a global magma ocean, and for

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<v Speaker 3>the last four point five billion years it has been

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<v Speaker 3>slowly radiating all that primordial heat out into the cold

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<v Speaker 3>vacuum of space. It's cooling down, it's cooling down and

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<v Speaker 3>as we know from basic physics, when most things cool down,

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<v Speaker 3>they contract, they lose volume, and the atoms and molecules

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<v Speaker 3>get closer together.

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<v Speaker 2>So the hot interior is cooling and shriveling up like

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<v Speaker 2>a balloon losing air.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good way to put it. But the crust,

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<v Speaker 3>the outer shell, is hard rock. It's brittle. It cooled

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<v Speaker 3>and hardened a long long time ago. So now you

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<v Speaker 3>have this shrinking interior pulling away from a rigid crust

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<v Speaker 3>that is already set in its size.

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<v Speaker 2>So the shell is suddenly too big for the body

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<v Speaker 2>inside it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect description. I think the best analogy is

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<v Speaker 3>the grape turning into a raisin. I was just thinking

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<v Speaker 3>that as the pulp inside the grape dries out and shrinks,

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<v Speaker 3>the skin suddenly has way too much surface area. It

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<v Speaker 3>So what does it do. It buckles, It folds over

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<v Speaker 2>And that folds that's the ridge, that is the ridge.

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<v Speaker 3>In geology we call this a thrust fault. The crust

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a powerful image. The Moon is literally

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<v Speaker 2>crushing its own surface because it's imploding in slow motion.

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<v Speaker 3>Imploding might be a bit dramatic for the timescale, but

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<v Speaker 3>contracting is stot on. It is a global squeeze and

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers are pretty impressive. Scientists estimate the Moon has

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<v Speaker 3>shrunk by about one hundred and fifty feet roughly fifty

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred and fifty feet. You know, that doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds small, But think about the energy required to

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<v Speaker 3>to be released, and it releases it by breaking the rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Which creates these faults. Now, the study makes a distinction

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<v Speaker 2>here that I want to clarify. We're talking about smr's

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<v Speaker 2>small mare ridges, But you mentioned earlier that we already

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<v Speaker 2>knew about ridges in the highlands. The study calls those

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<v Speaker 2>low bait scarps. Is there a real difference or is

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<v Speaker 2>this just scientists loving different names for the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great question. It's a distinction in geography mostly,

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<v Speaker 3>but not really in mechanism.

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<v Speaker 2>Break that down for me.

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<v Speaker 3>So, low bate scarps are found in the highlands, the

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<v Speaker 3>ancient rocky mountainous terrain. We've known about those since the

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<v Speaker 3>Apollo missions. We've seen them, we've mapped them. They look

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they're the highland version.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and SMRs are essentially the same type of feature.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just in the Maria the basalt lava planes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's just about where they are located. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like calling a sandwich a sub in one city and

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<v Speaker 3>That's a fair analogy, and the key finding from this

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<v Speaker 3>analysis by Nipeverr and Waters is that it confirms they

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<v Speaker 3>are formed by the exact same type of faults. They

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<v Speaker 3>are both thrust falls. They are caused by the exact

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<v Speaker 3>same global contractional forces.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same squeeze just happening in different types of rock.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, and here is the smoking gun, the real clincher.

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<v Speaker 3>The study found instances where a low bit scarp in

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<v Speaker 3>the mountains travels down a slope, hits the flat mare,

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<v Speaker 3>and transitions directly into an smr.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow. So it's one continuous crack running from the

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<v Speaker 2>mountains right into the sea.

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<v Speaker 3>So to speak, exactly, it's a single fault system that

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<v Speaker 3>completely ignores the terrain boundary. And this is powerful evidence

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<v Speaker 3>because it confirms that the shrinking isn't localized. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>just something happening in the old mountains. It's a global contraction.

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<v Speaker 3>The entire Moon is tightening its belt.

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<v Speaker 2>That answers the and the why. But I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the when, because you know, recent in

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<v Speaker 2>geology usually means like a billion years ago. Scientists have

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<v Speaker 2>a totally warped sense of time compared to the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of us. How fresh are these wrinkles?

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of the most exciting parts of the

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<v Speaker 3>study for me. The dating.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so how do you date a wrinkle on the

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<v Speaker 2>Moon without actually landing on it and taking a rock sample.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have carbon dating for rocks from orbit.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we don't. We use a clever technique called crater counting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the most fundamental tools in planetary science.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, walk us through that logic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's based on probability and a classic geological principle, the

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<v Speaker 3>law of superposition. The Moon, like anybody in the Solar System,

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<v Speaker 3>is constantly being bombarded by meteoroids, big ones, small ones,

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<v Speaker 3>tiny micromedioroids, over billions of years. Surfaces accumulate craters like

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<v Speaker 3>a sidewalk accumulates gum.

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<v Speaker 2>Gross but a very effective image.

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<v Speaker 3>A very old surface like the Highlands will be absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>covered in craters. It's saturated. You can't make a new

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<v Speaker 3>like a fresh lava flow, will be smooth and almost pristine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, more plock marks equals older skin.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense exactly. Now. You look at the relationship

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<v Speaker 3>between the ridge and the craters around it. If you

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<v Speaker 3>have a ridge an smr and it cuts through a

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<v Speaker 3>small crater, distorting it or breaking it in half, what

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<v Speaker 3>does that tell you?

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<v Speaker 2>It tells you the ridge formed after the crater.

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<v Speaker 3>The ridge is younger, precisely. But if there are tiny,

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<v Speaker 3>fresh looking craters sitting on top of the ridge and

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<v Speaker 3>they are undisturbed, perfectly round little bowls, then the ridge

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<v Speaker 3>must have formed before those craters hit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a game of geological layering who is on top

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<v Speaker 2>of whom it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And by carefully counting the density and size of craters

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<v Speaker 3>on and around these ridges and plugging that into models

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<v Speaker 3>of how often craters of a certain sized form, the

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<v Speaker 3>team was able to calculate an average model age and

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers are Ah, they're shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, hit me with the numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>The average age of these small marre ridges is roughly

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and twenty four million years one hundred twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four million and for comparison, the low bit scarps in

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<v Speaker 3>the Highlands, which Tom Waters had previously analyzed, have a

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<v Speaker 3>similar average age of about one hundred and five million years.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I need you to contextualize this for me. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>a human who hopes to live to maybe ninety one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty four million years sounds incredibly ancient. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the Cretaceous period on Earth, dinosaurs were walking around.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like an eternity to us. But you have

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<v Speaker 3>to shift your perspective to geological time to cosmic time.

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<v Speaker 3>The Moon is about four point five billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Years old, right, so forty five hundred million years exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you imagine the Moon's entire life as a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hour clock from its formation at midnight to

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<v Speaker 3>the present day, one hundred million years is the last

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<v Speaker 3>half hour, maybe even less. It's the last few minutes

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<v Speaker 3>before the clock strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Oh wow, Okay, that puts it in perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>These features represent the last what two or three percent

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<v Speaker 3>of the Moon's entire history in geological time. These are

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<v Speaker 3>fresh wounds. They are very likely the youngest tectonic features

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<v Speaker 3>on the entire lunar body.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we look at the Moon, we aren't just

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<v Speaker 2>seeing ancient scars from its violent birth. We aren't just

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the bombardment from the early Solar system. We are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing things that happened well yesterday in space terms.

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<v Speaker 3>And the really big implication of that youth is that

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<v Speaker 3>the process is likely still forming them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the kicker, isn't it. An average age of one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred million years doesn't mean they all formed and then

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<v Speaker 2>stopped one hundred million years ago. It means the process

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<v Speaker 2>that made them has been active in the very recent

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<v Speaker 2>past and is in all probability ongoing.

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<v Speaker 3>The Moon is still cooling, we know that from thermal models. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 3>it is still shrinking. Therefore, the stress is still building

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<v Speaker 3>up in the crust. Therefore the crust is still cracking.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which brings us to the part of the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds a bit like a disaster movie. If the

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<v Speaker 2>crust is snapping to make these ridges, that snap must

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<v Speaker 2>release a lot of energy. When rock breaks under that

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<v Speaker 2>much pressure, it's not quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>It creates seismic activity.

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<v Speaker 2>Moonquakes, moonquakes.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>We've all heard of earthquakes. We know about the devastation

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<v Speaker 2>they can cause here. But moonquakes are a real, documented phenomena.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, they are very real. The Apollo astronauts actually placed

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<v Speaker 3>seismometers on the lunar surface Apollo eleven, twelve, fourteen, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and sixteen all left working instruments behind. They formed a network.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing pictures of those.

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<v Speaker 3>And they recorded thousands of seismic events between nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 3>nine and nineteen seventy seven when they were finally turned

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<v Speaker 3>off to save money.

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<v Speaker 2>And this new study connects those recorded quakes to these ridges.

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<v Speaker 3>It solidifies the connection yes, there are different types of moonquakes.

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<v Speaker 3>Some are very deep caused by the tidal pull of

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<v Speaker 3>Earth's gravity. But the shallow ones, the ones that happen

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<v Speaker 3>in the upper crust, those are the dangerous ones.

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<v Speaker 2>And those are the tectonic ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the tectonic ones. And Tom Waters, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the authors of this new study had previously done work

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<v Speaker 3>that linked the low bait scarps in the Highlands to

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<v Speaker 3>some of the wrongest shallow moonquakes recorded by the Apollo network.

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<v Speaker 3>He basically triangulated the epicenters of the quakes to these

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we knew the highland scarps were seismically active,

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<v Speaker 2>but now we have this new map.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we have eleven and fourteen new ridges cataloged in

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<v Speaker 3>the Maria, which we now know are the same type

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<v Speaker 2>So the safe zone isn't safe.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the critical takeaway. Previously, mission planners looked at

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<v Speaker 3>the Marie and thought perfect flat stable, easy to land on,

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<v Speaker 3>no cliffs a crash into, no mountains to navigate. But

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<v Speaker 3>now we know that SMRs are widespread there and they

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<v Speaker 3>are formed by the exact same mechanism that causes powerful

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<v Speaker 3>quakes in the Highlands.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, anywhere there is a wrinkle on this new map,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a potential epicenter for a future meanquake.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, any place with an SMR has to be

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<v Speaker 3>considered a potential source of shallow seismic activity, and we

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<v Speaker 3>just found out they are all over the place, including

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<v Speaker 3>many of the areas considered prime landing spots.

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<v Speaker 2>This really complicates things for the Artemis program.

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<v Speaker 3>It complicates things for anyone planning to stay on the

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<v Speaker 3>Moon for longer than a few days, for any kind

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<v Speaker 3>of permanent or semi permanent presence.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about building permanent bases, human habitats, landing pads,

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<v Speaker 3>And this is explicitly mentioned in the study. Cole Naipevier

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<v Speaker 3>pointed this out directly. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that

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<v Speaker 3>a better understanding of lunar tectonics and seismic activity will

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<v Speaker 3>directly benefit the safety and scientific success of Artemis and

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<v Speaker 3>all future missions.

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<v Speaker 2>It's moving this whole field from academic curiosity to active

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<v Speaker 2>risk assessment for human lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about the engineering challenges. You are building a pressurized habitat.

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<v Speaker 3>It needs to be perfectly air tight, it's essentially a

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<v Speaker 3>balloon made of metal or advanced composite material holding a precious,

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you do not want your balloon to start shaking violently.

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<v Speaker 3>You definitely don't. But there's a key difference between earthquakes

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<v Speaker 3>and moonquakes that it makes this even scarier for engineers.

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<v Speaker 2>How so, is the shaking more powerful a higher magnitude.

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<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily the magnitude, it's the duration. The duration, the duration.

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<v Speaker 3>Here on Earth, if a big earthquake hits, it's violent,

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<v Speaker 3>it's terrifying, but it usually dissipates relatively quickly, maybe thirty

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<v Speaker 3>seconds a minute, maybe two minutes of strong shaking. The

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<v Speaker 3>longest ones might feel like forever, but they are over

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<v Speaker 3>in a matter of minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And why is that?

427
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<v Speaker 3>Because Earth is wet, we have oceans, we have groundwater,

428
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<v Speaker 3>we have a semi molten mantle. All that liquid, that

429
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<v Speaker 3>fluid material absorbs and dampens the seismic energy. It acts

430
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<v Speaker 3>like a giant shock absorber or a layer of soundproofing.

431
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<v Speaker 3>It did into the vibration, It dends it very effectively.

432
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<v Speaker 3>The Moon, on the other hand, is bone dried it's rigid.

433
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<v Speaker 3>It's cold, brittle rock all the way down. So when

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<v Speaker 3>it quake hits, that seismic energy has nowhere to go.

435
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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing to absorb it. It just bounces around inside

436
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<v Speaker 3>the crust, reflecting off the surface and the interior layers,

437
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<v Speaker 3>over and over again. The moon, it rings, It rings

438
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<v Speaker 3>like a bell or gong. The Apollo seismic data showed

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<v Speaker 3>that shallow moonquakes, the kind caused by these thrust faults

440
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<v Speaker 3>can last.

441
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<v Speaker 2>For hours hours. You're not serious.

442
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<v Speaker 3>I'm completely serious. High frequency shaking continuing for an hour

443
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<v Speaker 3>or more is not out of the question for a

444
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<v Speaker 3>significant event. Imagine a magnitude five quake that just keeps

445
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<v Speaker 3>going and going and going.

446
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<v Speaker 2>That is an absolute nightmare scenario. Imagine you're in a

447
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<v Speaker 2>lunar base. It's the pitch black of a two week

448
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<v Speaker 2>long lunar night, and the ground starts vibrating and just

449
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't stop.

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<v Speaker 3>It creates massive issues for structural fatigue. Any material, no

451
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<v Speaker 3>matter how strong, will degrade when you vibrate it for

452
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<v Speaker 3>that long. Seals can fail, microfractures can grow into critical failures.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the dust. I know that lunar dest is

454
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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be incredibly sharp and nasty, like tiny shards

455
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<v Speaker 2>of glass.

456
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<v Speaker 3>Oh. Absolutely. The regolithe is a huge problem already because

457
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<v Speaker 3>it's so abrasive and it sticks to everything electrostatically. If

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<v Speaker 3>you shake the ground vigorously for an hour, you are

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<v Speaker 3>mobilizing that dust. You could create a persistent, low gravity

460
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<v Speaker 3>dust cloud that could coat solar panels, rendering them useless,

461
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<v Speaker 3>or jam airlocks and moving parts.

462
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<v Speaker 2>It really changes the real estate value of the Maria,

463
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it. You can't just pick a flat spot anymore.

464
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<v Speaker 2>You have to pull up this new tectonic map first.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to you have to identify the SMRs and

466
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<v Speaker 3>give them a very wide berth. You do not want

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<v Speaker 3>to build your billion dollar habitat on top of a

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<v Speaker 3>fault line that is actively engaging in crustal compression.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild to think about. We always worry about the

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<v Speaker 2>big obvious space dangers, radiation or lack of air or

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<v Speaker 2>the extreme cold, but we rarely discuss the ground itself

472
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<v Speaker 2>opening up or rather shifting violently beneath our feet.

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<v Speaker 3>It adds a whole new layer of due diligence to

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<v Speaker 3>the site selection process that is absolutely critical. We need

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<v Speaker 3>to define seismic exclusion zones around these features.

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<v Speaker 2>So, looking at this study as a whole, what it

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<v Speaker 2>really provides is a catalog. It's a comprehensive map of

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<v Speaker 2>these danger zones.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a comprehensive catalog of global contractional features. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a foundational piece of.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Work, and it was all done using data from the LROC.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

483
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<v Speaker 3>That's right. The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera LRO has been

484
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<v Speaker 3>circling the Moon since two thousand and nine taking these

485
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<v Speaker 3>incredible high resolution images. It's mapped the Moon in better

486
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<v Speaker 3>detail than we have mapped some parts of the ocean

487
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<v Speaker 3>floor right here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to take a moment to appreciate the

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<v Speaker 2>sheer grunt work involved here. These researchers, Niberver and Waters

490
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<v Speaker 2>and their team didn't just push a button and have

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<v Speaker 2>an AI find these things. They manually mapped over two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand of these tiny ridges.

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<v Speaker 3>It is meticulous, painstaking work. It requires a highly trained eye.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to be able to look at these images,

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<v Speaker 3>often with different lighting conditions, and distinguish a subtle tectonic

496
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<v Speaker 3>ridge from a crater rim or a lava tube collapse

497
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<v Speaker 3>or some other feature. It's a monumental effort.

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<v Speaker 2>But that labor is what completes the global picture that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be the consensus here. We aren't just looking

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<v Speaker 2>at isolated oddities in the Highlands anymore. We are seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a single, unified planetary process.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the key. The Moon is cooling, the Moon is contracting,

503
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<v Speaker 3>and as a result, the crust is breaking, and it

504
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<v Speaker 3>is happening everywhere Hylands and Maria alike.

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<v Speaker 2>It's foundational science, you know. It's the kind of work

506
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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't always make the front page of the newspaper

507
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<v Speaker 2>because it's not a flashy explosion or a discovery of

508
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<v Speaker 2>a new alien. But it's the work that keeps future

509
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<v Speaker 2>astronauts alive.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the safety manual. You can't write the safety manual

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<v Speaker 3>for a new territory until you understand the hazards. The

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<v Speaker 3>study is a critical chapter in that manual.

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<v Speaker 2>As we wrap up this discussion, I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>my view of the Moon has definitely shifted. I think

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of our listeners it probably has too.

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<v Speaker 3>In what way has it shifted for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, like we said at the start, I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at it as a night light, a beautiful but

519
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<v Speaker 2>ultimately static object, magnificent desolation, as buz Aldrin so famously

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<v Speaker 2>called it. But desolation implies that nothing is happening. It

521
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<v Speaker 2>implies stillness.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the great misconception, and we're overturning it is now.

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<v Speaker 2>When I look up at it, I'm going to think

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<v Speaker 2>about that cooling process. I'm going to picture that interior

525
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<v Speaker 2>shrinking and the crust buckling under the strain. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>the Moon is still settling into its old age. It's shivering.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a beautiful, if slightly unsettling way to put it.

528
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<v Speaker 3>It is shivering, it is shrinking, It is cooling, and

529
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<v Speaker 3>it is quaking. It is a body trying to find

530
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<v Speaker 3>a comfortable, stable position as it loses its primordial internal warmth.

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<v Speaker 2>We've really moved from looking at the Moon as a

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<v Speaker 2>fossil to looking at it as a dynamic world with

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<v Speaker 2>its own internal life. It might be a very slow

534
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<v Speaker 2>life compared to Earth's frantic tectonic shifting, but it's there.

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<v Speaker 3>The pulse is there, and we are just beginning to

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<v Speaker 3>understand it. The more we look and the better our

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<v Speaker 3>instruments get, the more we find it's still a world

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<v Speaker 3>of secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thought to leave you with and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>on my mind through this whole conversation. We talk so

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<v Speaker 2>much about becoming a multiplanetary species, about colonizing space, we

542
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<v Speaker 2>talk about terraforming, about bending these other worlds to our will.

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<v Speaker 2>But this study is such a humble reminder that we

544
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<v Speaker 2>don't control these worlds.

545
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<v Speaker 3>No, we certainly do not. We are guests at best.

546
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<v Speaker 2>The Moon doesn't care about our landing schedules or our

547
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<v Speaker 2>habitat designs. It's going to keep shrinking and it's going

548
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<v Speaker 2>to keep shaking whether we are there or not.

549
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<v Speaker 3>Geology always wins in the end. It operates on time

550
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<v Speaker 3>scales we can barely comprehend.

551
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<v Speaker 2>So if we are serious about planning to live there,

552
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<v Speaker 2>we have to answer a very very difficult question. How

553
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<v Speaker 2>do we engineer buildings and infrastructure for a world that

554
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<v Speaker 2>is slowly inexorably crushing itself.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the engineering challenge of the century for lunar exploration.

556
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<v Speaker 2>The ground beneath the feet of future astronauts is simply

557
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<v Speaker 2>not as solid as we once thought. It just makes

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<v Speaker 2>you realize that even on a dead rock, nature is

559
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<v Speaker 2>still very much in charge.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, it is a powerful reminder.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, for joining us on this exploration

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<v Speaker 2>of lunar tectonics. It's been a fascinating look at the

563
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<v Speaker 2>hidden and very active life of our nearest neighbor. It

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<v Speaker 2>really has pa keep looking up.

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<v Speaker 3>Take care,
