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Speaker 2: Now, Big.

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Speaker 4: Five or.

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Speaker 5: Why we have a left off?

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Speaker 2: Yes, once again we have lyft off.

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of The Big Truth podcast. And I'm stoked to have

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my man Carrie broke back with me today from my

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Choppers magazine. But he's been an industry player for a

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long time. So without further ado, we're just gonna jump

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right into it, Man bro Back. What's going on? Buddy?

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How's it?

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Speaker 2: How's it been?

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Speaker 5: Good Man? Finally recovering from Chopperfest? Yeah, last week and

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it was it was wild. You know, we kind of

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this was our second year running it and last year.

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you want. How I got it was Tory and his dad, Huggybear.

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Dave Hansen ran it for twenty twenty years, so it

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all started. It started back as a tribute to David Man.

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to Jackie Mann, and then when he passed away, they

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Chopper show. So fast forward twenty years. You know, Huggy

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was just ready to move on. So he hit me

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mind taking it over. So that's what happened. So last

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and this year he was hands off. He just like,

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you know, but that's what he said he was gonna do. So,

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you know, myself and Manny, like my GM and one

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of my best friends, we just ran a whole show

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with all our friends and as staff and family. A

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lot of family helped out. So it was good, good ship, man,

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Speaker 4: A lot of people.

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Speaker 5: We doubled attendance from last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, man.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, like, for why don't we just you know,

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because I'm sure everyone in the Chopper community knows who

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you know, punk rock and weird conspiracy world and all

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that stuff. Why don'd you get for people that might

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not be familiar with you. Why don't you give a

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little bit of background on yourself and uh, you know,

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and and uh where people can can find you and

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get in touch with you and all that stuff. And

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then and then we'll just we'll launch into it because

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obviously we're gonna I want to talk about Choppers Magazine.

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We'll talk more about Chopper Fest and and all the

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stuff that led you to where you are now.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm just a regular dude. I'm just

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a dad and dad and a Scout leader, and you

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an calauity control manager. That's my full time gig. You know,

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grew up around bikes. My my stepdad and a couple

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of different step dads were bikers, like my mom. Like

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the biker dudes, I guess you know they were they

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were club guy. There was a club guy in there.

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been around choppers and motorcycles since I was a kid.

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Speaker 6: My buddy Billy did a just did.

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Speaker 5: A documentary called Origins, and it kind of told told

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tells my story. So if anyone really wants to know

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in depth, look it up. It's on YouTube. It's just

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called it's called Origins. I think Cloud Motors. But anyways,

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that was a shameless plug for him.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, and that is that Is that just

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a bunch of people about there, like like obviously he's

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kind of like Origin Stories.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a series. And I was

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just my turn, you know, So I'm like episode five.

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So he's done a few other people and he's started

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on his six to one already really good.

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Speaker 6: He's he just gets.

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Speaker 5: Better and better and better. But yeah, so just grew

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up around motorcycles, you know, got married, had a kid,

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and decided, like, you know, I've been married, going this

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will be twenty five. It's my twenty fifth when anniversary coming.

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Speaker 4: Up, so hell yeah, congratulations, yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 5: You know, got married and said, all right, fucking I'm

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time to get on a bike again. And you know,

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I rode as when I was younger, but focused on career,

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focused on you know, marriage and family for a while,

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and then you know about I'd say it's like twenty

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I was like, all right, I'm in built my pant head,

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same one that.

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Speaker 6: I ride today.

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Speaker 5: Built a couple of other bikes too, but that's my

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So that's your forever bike, your forever bike.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, forever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: Almost sold at once to save Choppers Mag and then

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I did it and some friends stepped in and helped out.

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Speaker 3: So well hell yeah, man, Well you know, it's funny,

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you know, and it's not funny, but it's a it's

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it's it's and I want to talk about Choppers Mag

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and you know, the the lead up to that and

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how that happened. But you know, you said you're still working,

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you know, we you know, part of this was like

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scheduling and you know we've been talking about Avenue come

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on for a while. And you know, it's funny that

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it'd be great do this and that, and it's they

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don't know the grind, you know what I mean. And

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it does like there's a lot of people I know

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that you know, are involved in the industry that still

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work regular jobs too, because you you almost got a

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dude like it's it's like because I'm sure everyone's like, oh, dude,

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this dude's own Choppers magazine. He's got it made, blah

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blah blah, and they don't see the grind of it all,

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you know what I mean, Like you know, the hours

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that go in and like the sacrifice that you're doing

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to do this. But I know you'd come like you know,

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why don't we? You know, you talked a little bit

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about like how you you got into bikes, like like

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what what got you like into like specifically Choppers versus

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you know, just you know, you could have just got

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into like being a guy that rides, you know, like

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the whatever the newest thing is, or like the whatever

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the newest is, Like you know twenty years ago that

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you you twin cam you know, street glide, Like what

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got you specifically into Choppers in the in the coach

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the custom aspect of of of everything, you know. And

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then and then I do want to talk about your

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history and publishing because it didn't start with Choppers. You know,

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there was like a whole you know, ranch and everything

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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, I think.

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Speaker 6: There was never really really any other choice for me.

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Speaker 5: Choppers are just fucking cool, right, Like you could see

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a panhead chopper and you could see a road glide

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or whatever, and you go which one's more cool?

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Speaker 6: And I think it does come from you know, early

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skateboarding punk rock days.

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Speaker 5: I always thought I was a little hokey, but I

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still like some of the music, you know. But but

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along with that is the custom culture, right. It's got

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you know, I mean, tattoos and hot rods and bikes

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and it just all goes together, you know. I think

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it just was a it wasn't really a conscious choice

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to like do I want a new bike or do

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I want a chopper. It just was always like I'm

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getting to ride a fuck chopper, you know, and that

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was it. The guys, you know, when when Dice magazine

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first came out, when they first came to America from

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you know, England. I mean, I think I met those

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guys on Earth issue three or four, I don't know,

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very very early on, and they really opened my eyes,

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Like I knew I want to chopper, but they really

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open my eyes to what you could do, you know,

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within this custom world. So you know, my stepdad he

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rode the same I think he got sixty eight Jenny

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shovel you know, even even in a club, you know,

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guys were ripping around on Dinas and ship. He had

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his kick start, you know, shovel head that they probably

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hated him for now that I think about it, you know,

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but I mean, it was just it's just it's just

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kind of just happened.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, that says not a choice.

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Speaker 3: So I hear you man, And I always tell people

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because you know, I have the same kind of origin

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like background, you know, like punk rock, skateboard and all

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that stuff. To me, it was like the it was

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the next iteration. It was like you said, it was

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a logical progression, and it was the next iteration of loud, fast,

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dangerous and do it yourself, you know what I mean.

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And that's what the the punk rock world was, and

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you know the skateboard world was back in those days,

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you know what I mean. And uh, you know, so

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it was it was it was a logical It didn't

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even seem like like a progression.

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Speaker 2: It was just like, ah, that's the next thing, you

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know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just you know, someone in your crew gets a bike, yeah,

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our chopper, and then it's just everyone. Then the next

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guy the next time, and then you've got one, and

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you know it was yeah, like it's just it isn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So like in your head like like like when

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I was a kid, you know, And it's funny because

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I don't know, we're probably in the same age range

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and background. Like like when I was a kid, I

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remember seeing club guys go by. I remember being with

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my father driving around to you know, being a little

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kid without a seatbelt on in the passenger see you

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know what I mean, Like, you know, the seventies style

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and seeing club guys go by, and they were on choppers.

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So in my head, like the archetype of a motorcycle

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was always a chopper, like because I remember, I'm like, wow,

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these things a loud wild like you know, you know,

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they there's something about a chopper if it resonates with you,

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like especially from a young age. It's it's different than

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a regular bike. Like I like all bikes you know

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what I mean. I'm not shitting on anything. Yeah, but

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it was just there was something that stood out for that.

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So like when I first got into bikes, I was like, man,

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this isn't like I was looking, you know, and I

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didn't know, you know what I mean, I didn't know

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like what you know, the like what a chopper chopper was.

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I was like, nah, like because I remember being like,

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I don't like this bike because I remember like the

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bikes I saw the tank came up like this, you know,

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like you know, and I you know, I had a

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vision of like a coffin tank and it's sticking up

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and I was like, what the fuck is that? And

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then my buddy Jay, who ended up becoming my business

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partner for for a long time, you know, he was

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like he got he inherited is well. He he reacquired

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his father's old Triumph chopper. It was in his uncle's

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attic and you know, brought it down and reacquired that

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and put it back together. I was like, that's what

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it was. That's what was in my head. And He's like,

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dahn chopper, you know, like and then it was like

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then that started the sickness right from there. And then

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you know, I built my first triump and I you know,

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and you know, obviously with help of like Don Hutchinson

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from Hutchinson Cycles out here, and because I was green

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as fuck, and and you know, it started out like that.

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So so that so in your head when you saw bikes,

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I was like, you know, is that what it always was?

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It was like chopper was what was a bike in

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your head type of thing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, grow well, growing up, But there was a

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mix of everything really, Like there was you know, kind

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of that late seventies early eighties shovel head styled kind

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of stockish bikes. Maybe they put apes on it. There

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was that around, but there and then there was a

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couple of choppers around. But you know, I can't even

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really remember, but I definitely know it's like a shovel

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head with ape hangers, you know, a dude with a

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fucking beard and a greasy you know, cut on. Like, yeah,

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for sure, that's what I remember as a kid, you know, Rember,

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that side of it. Where did you grow up in

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southern California in La Area? Yeah, with your East La

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Montabella peaking like this this whole kind of tri city

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area here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, I'm jealous of you right now, dude,

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cause it's like seven degrees out and it's like the

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snow is like melted. We're in that type of year

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with that time of year over here where it's like

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thirty five forty degrees in the day and then it

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goes back into like the single digits at night, so

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everything ice is up.

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Speaker 2: It's just fucking gross, dude. You know.

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Speaker 5: I'm just like I was about to be there next

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next weekend for Mama Tried, and I was like, I

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got We got a guy transporting out some stuff out

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there and he's like, are you bringing your bike? And

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I was like, yeah, I think my bike just rip

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around and I was like, hold on, look at the

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weather and I was like, yeah, no doesnt bike doesn't

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need to man, I gotta escalate rent, and I'll just

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do that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's tough, man too, because like you know, this is

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like as someone like you know, you obviously have like

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you know, your your magazine and everything, and you know,

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I have chop Ahead, and like when we go to

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these shows and we set up, it's like it's always

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the juggle man, like can I bring my bike to

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like or do am I just bringing a bike to

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bring to the s or can I bring something to

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rip around on?

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Speaker 2: Am I gonna even have time? Am I just going

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to be asleep to the booth?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's different when you when you have to set up

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versus like when you can just go out somewhere and

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like have a good time at a show, you know

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what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, yeah, it's it sucks right everybody ripping around

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you know, wherever it is. I mean, obviously probably not,

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Mom will try. But this week, this past weekend and Ventura,

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the weather was seventy degrees or on the beach, palm trees,

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seventy degree weather, people riding in t shirts and I'm

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like in my truck with a twenty foot trailer with

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full of you know, stuff for the show. Yeah, so

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you know, and I thought about the same kind of

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same thing you're just saying, like should I bring my

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bike just to rip around town? And I was like,

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I'm gonna be tired, and I wouldn't have wrote it,

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you know. So there's there's some downfalls to to doing

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this stuff too, you know what I mean, some downsides

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I say that that you don't get as much, you know,

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win time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, or anything because like you know, especially like

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you know, when you when you're hosting the show and

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putting on the show, unless you cove out something specifically

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like like all right, we're gonna do a ride as

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part of the show, and then you can do that.

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But you know, you're you're you're you're the point person.

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So you know you I'm sure you had a Choppers

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magazine booth and you're running that and then you're also

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running the show and the logistics and a million people

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like hey we need something here with this that this

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that you know what I mean. It's it's it's tough

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to enjoy, you know what i mean. It's like you know,

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it's like you know, you look at it almost like

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from like a parent standpoint, where like, hey, this is

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this is my thing, and you know, like you can

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appreciate it, but you're not in it, like like someone

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that's like a just going as a attendee like and

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that can just you know, yeah, it's a different it's

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a different mindset, a different you know, set of responsibilities.

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Speaker 5: You know, we had over ten thousand people come to

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the gate, so it was it was a pretty massive

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show for us, you know, I had never never put

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on a show with that many people. You know, we've

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done the five six thousand range to double. That was nuts.

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Speaker 6: It was like it was putting out fires. I was

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just talking to.

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Speaker 5: Manny, you know, my manager, and he was like, man,

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next year, you don't work. He's like, you just host.

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He's like, we'll handle everything. So we're gonna, you know,

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we got we had a little we'll have a little

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bit of growing pains, and we're gonna add some staff

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and change some things around and so.

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Speaker 6: That I can maybe I can't ride my bike next year,

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you know, and just.

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Speaker 5: And uh, pretend I'm the boss and that's it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Cool. Yeah, So.

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Speaker 3: The the scene is, it's I don't know, I feel

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like things are weird, like like I think what I

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feel like, we're kind of in a good place with

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Choppers right now, you know, obviously, I don't know. Like

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out here on the East Coast in general, industry is

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just down, like it put It's down for everything, like

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economy is is, you know, making everything like pecially out here,

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like where you can't ride year round, like motorcycles are

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like a luxury, you know what I mean. Like so

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like if people have to choose between feeding their family

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and keeping their cargoing so they can get to work

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and the motorcycle. The motorcycle's going so right now you

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can buy bikes cheap. Everything's kind of gone down even

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just hear it, like with the bike shop things. This

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was one of the slower years we've had on the books.

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But at the same time, like I feel like in

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a way that's good because it's kind of like I'm

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not saying this in a dicky way, but it's kind

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of shaking out the dead weight a little bit, you

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know what I mean. Like like people that are in

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it now are like really in it, like and they're

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I guess, for lack of a better word, true believers.

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That there's not a lot of tourists. You know, Like

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two thousand and five, you know, when all the TV

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shows were on, there was a million people that were

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like in the bikes, and a lot of them were

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just like in it because of the they saw it

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on TV. But like it feels like now that there's

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like a good core group and it seems like more solid,

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to you know, I don't know

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if that's what's going on. Out there.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's a little different out here because we

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can ride year round, but yeah, you know, we we

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run into the same thing out here where people kind

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of float in, float out, you know, and right now

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it seems like like they're on their way out. You know,

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maybe they found fucking seedws or something. I don't know, whatever,

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they're right, but you know, I was watching the Meek

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Them bike you know, auction by way cheaper than they

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used than they did even last year. So I'm like, okay,

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things are getting back to normal. You know, it takes

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some time, you know, it's you know, it's crazy to

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think that. You you know, like I don't have a knucklehead

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right knuckles. Now, if I want to buy knucklehead, it's

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forty thousand minimum. Like I can't see taking money off

471
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my table, you know, food from my family for forty

472
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000
I know what to hold is value and it'll it'll

473
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:55,440
be worth it.

474
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 6: But I got a panhead, it runs fine.

475
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 5: I don't need that. But you know, shovel at prices

476
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,039
went way up. Handed prices in California are crazy now,

477
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,599
like it's it's twenty up, which is nuts. You know,

478
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:10,240
I about my pand for four grand you know, it's

479
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:14,400
twenty years ago. I abought it for four grand. So yeah,

480
00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:17,599
it's crazy. It's it's it's wild. And as these people

481
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,480
filter out that aren't, you know, maybe getting into it

482
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:25,079
just because it's cool for a minute. You know that

483
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,359
it probably happens with everything.

484
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,599
Speaker 6: You know, I'm assuming, you know.

485
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 5: It's just you know, there's people that are really into

486
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,960
it and there's people that are just you know, cruising along.

487
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:37,079
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about it in general.

488
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: It just seems it seems down Like we said, yeah,

489
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,440
I saw some of that mekam auction too, and I'm like, damn,

490
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:44,799
like it likes, shit's getting back in the prices where

491
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,839
be able to start scooping stuff up again, you know

492
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:48,640
what I mean, because it got wild for a long time,

493
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,200
and it's like and you know, and you know, I

494
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,400
think two for a while in the Choppa world specifically,

495
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,880
you know, I don't know, you know, and you guys

496
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,279
you have probably more of a pulse on this, but

497
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,480
it seems like the Japanese dudes are buying lesser, you know,

498
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,119
importing less out there.

499
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,839
Speaker 2: So it's like that also, like lets values.

500
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 3: Kind of like breathe a little bit, you know what

501
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,440
I mean because like you know, for a while, like

502
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,839
everything was going overseas, like whether it was to Europe

503
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,519
or Japan or whatever, and it seems like a lot

504
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:20,759
of it's died down like that. And but yeah, I

505
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:24,799
don't know. But that said, but you being able to

506
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,599
double the attendance of the show like shows that there's

507
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,319
still like a strong community around, which is fucking awesome, man,

508
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,400
you know what I mean, Like.

509
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we definitely made some moves to get that

510
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:39,319
attendance bump, right, Like we brought in a vikless show.

511
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,559
Speaker 6: I mean, it's California.

512
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of the Vekle motorcycles. You know,

513
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,359
I'm half Mexican.

514
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 6: It's in my blood.

515
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,279
Speaker 5: I dig what they're doing. I mean, those guys put

516
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,599
more work and money into their bikes and any chopper dude,

517
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,960
I know, you know, they're insane. So we brought this guy,

518
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:58,480
Lydia in and she did a maze that was one

519
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,200
of my favorite parts of the show. Like he was

520
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,799
inside a giant Kwanza Hut building and she brought like

521
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Aztec dancers in and lowrider cars and the bikes and it.

522
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 6: Was just bitch.

523
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 5: And so you know, we gave him that crowd. Then

524
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:15,519
we pushed on, you know, because Harley Harley Davidson is

525
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:19,640
our title sponsor, and they don't like to just see

526
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:22,519
old shitty choppers, right, They want they want people on

527
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,279
new bikes. So they brought out a truck and trailer

528
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,720
with all the new models and all the born free builds,

529
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,279
and then we teamed up with Rational Supply Co. And

530
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,279
if anyone runs a new bike, don't know who these

531
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,960
guys are. They're great, great people, man, They're just they're

532
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,880
family guys. You know, you go to his you go

533
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,240
to their giant warehouse and office, and his mom is

534
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,119
there and you know, wife is working. It's a family

535
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,039
run business. Big business, but it's family run business. His

536
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,000
dad does two Lane Life podcasts. Pretty big, big show.

537
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:01,680
But so we brought the newer. I called it a performance show.

538
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,000
And I met with him yesterday and he was like, yeah,

539
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,400
I don't know why you called a performance show because

540
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,920
like people thought they had to have like hot rods

541
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,319
and stuff. But I thought it sounded better than modern

542
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:12,799
bike show.

543
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,319
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah.

544
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,519
Speaker 5: But so now we had the Beakla people, we had

545
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:20,079
the new newer modern bike people, and the same you know,

546
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:23,200
four thousand chopper people, maybe thirty five hundred and four

547
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,920
thousand you know chopper people that were there. And it

548
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,839
was fun. There was not you know, ten thousand people,

549
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,759
not one fight. You know, everything was great.

550
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, may vibe.

551
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:38,039
Speaker 5: Everybody was smiling, having a good time, drinking beers, having

552
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,319
you know, it was it was good.

553
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

554
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's rad, dude, Like, and it's cool because it

555
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,799
is like when when me and my buddy Packer used

556
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:50,279
to do a show out here called Full Speed Ahead,

557
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,319
and you know, we would incorporate hot rods and you

558
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,440
don't have a modern piece part of the show, like

559
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:59,079
you know, like the Dina performance bagger type of situation.

560
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,359
You know, And and it's cool because you know there's

561
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,599
there's different lanes. But you know, the funny thing is

562
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,359
is like if you bring some hot rods to a

563
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,519
to a chopper show, everyone's like glombing onto the hot rods,

564
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:11,799
you know what I mean. And if if you go

565
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:13,440
to a hot rod show and you got bring a

566
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,640
couple of choppers, all the car guys are going and

567
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,759
glombing onto the choppers because it's something meltse, you know

568
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:18,200
what I mean.

569
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: So it keeps things moving. It keeps things interesting for everybody.

570
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:24,039
Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, so it's it is good to have,

571
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:26,440
you know, different crowds because and then you bring a

572
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,039
bigger community together and you never know when some crossover

573
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,240
stuff might happen. Like you get a guy that's like

574
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,200
a bagger guy who looks at the old choppers like,

575
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,160
oh man, you know that's cool, like maybe I and

576
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000
vice versa. You know, sometimes as you know, as especially

577
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,119
as we get older, and it's like man, you know,

578
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,920
like you know, you know, you know, you know, you're

579
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,759
an old chopper guy. And sometimes like man, it might

580
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,319
be all right to have a push button bike that

581
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,559
goes fucking fast if I got to get somewhere as

582
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,240
a commuter, you know what I mean, or whatever, you

583
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:51,720
know what I mean.

584
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: So you get to see.

585
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's funny you say that. I was

586
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,839
when I met with a thrashing guys there. They want

587
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,640
to build choppers now, but to be fair, they started

588
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,599
on choppers. Like Lance, the guy, he started on a chopper.

589
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,240
He would showing me pictures. I think he was in

590
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:09,319
high school and he was like on a it almost

591
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,920
looked like a sucker punch Sally type bike that he built,

592
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,039
and then he had a panhead and then he just

593
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,160
got into new bikes and started this company and it

594
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,480
took off and now he's like, you know, doing chopperfests

595
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,640
with him inspired him.

596
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,759
Speaker 6: Now to get on a chopper.

597
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 5: So I think we're gonna build some choppers with him,

598
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,440
and we're gonna do a Sturgis ride on all choppers.

599
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 6: So you know, it's it's different.

600
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 4: For these guys.

601
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 5: They haven't been on him in a while. They're all

602
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,880
new bike guys and they you know, get bikes from Harley,

603
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,240
and you know it's it's gonna be fun. But yeah,

604
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:40,319
there's a lot, there is a lot of crossover. So

605
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:41,960
so if I I told him, if I'm helping him

606
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,160
build a chopper, like, he's got to help me build

607
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,119
something an FXR or a diner or a bag or

608
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400
something look cool, and then you know it's time a

609
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,119
fucking fifty three man, like.

610
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 6: We should we should tell that story.

611
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,759
Speaker 5: Well how we met? Do you remember how we met?

612
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,599
Where we met?

613
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,039
Speaker 4: All?

614
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: Right?

615
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

616
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: Well so like but that's what I was gonna ask

617
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,359
you too, because I was like, did we meet? But

618
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,160
we we must have talked or something before then, you know,

619
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,240
like I'm sure, like just just just you know, industry

620
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:15,240
type stuff. But yeah, I think the first time we

621
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,400
actually like met, like in hung out in person was

622
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,079
at those Mexico City shows.

623
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:19,279
Speaker 2: Man.

624
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 6: That was wild.

625
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

626
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 5: That was a good time, man.

627
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to to Charlie and Wan Pablo and

628
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:35,279
all those all the dudes down there that biker shelter spot,

629
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,319
all that they had it going on down in Mexico City.

630
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:38,559
Speaker 4: Man.

631
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: Like, It's it's sad that that show kind of dissipated

632
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,039
because I was like pulling for it because they had

633
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,720
a cool scene starting down there, and I'm I'm I know,

634
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:48,799
I still talked to Charlie and Wan Pablo and every

635
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,720
now and then, and you know, I know there's still

636
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,680
there's still going. But like that show was the I'm

637
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,880
a Nopless show, dude. That show was fun, man Like,

638
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,440
I yeah, yeah, scho City is a rad place. I

639
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,799
think it's a little like, you know, it's a little

640
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,519
dicey over there right now, but it's but you know what,

641
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,079
that that never stopped any any you know, any any

642
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,799
Chopper guys from having a good time, you.

643
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

644
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. I would definitely go back. We should

645
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,759
should talk them another show.

646
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, be like all right, dude, we're ready to

647
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,200
We're ready to help you guys push it.

648
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:23,039
Speaker 2: Let's let's do it.

649
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Well we'll talk offline about that and uh and uh

650
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:32,240
and uh and loop loop those guys and but so yeah, so,

651
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,799
like how did you go? Like like what got you

652
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,160
into you know, you know, you talked a little bit

653
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,079
about getting into bikes and everything, but what made you

654
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,319
want to do uh, you know, magazine stuff? And I know,

655
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:48,279
I know, yeah, we definitely talked before because we talked

656
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:49,960
when you were doing other things, like you know what

657
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,759
I mean. But like I don't think like we'd ever

658
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,759
like hung out face to face, but like, you know,

659
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:57,000
tell tell a little bit about what got you into

660
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,160
the whole publishing side of things and what pushed you

661
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,599
towards that.

662
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 5: Well, man, it was uh, I guess I gotta blame

663
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,119
I gotta blame Dean Man. Dean from Dice from like

664
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:11,359
you know, kind of show me how to do it.

665
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,839
We started riding with them, hanging out with them, and

666
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,599
I'd helped him out, you know, even if it was

667
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,119
just packing magazines to send out. You know, we were

668
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,720
doing that, and then I had another buddy JJ photographer

669
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,200
that was like, dude, we should start our own meg.

670
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 6: So we did.

671
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: We started this little mag called Hopper and it was

672
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,680
a little digest size to uh meg and it was

673
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,759
not just bikes that had skateboard, ship, punk rock shit.

674
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,079
It was almost we called it a men's magazine like

675
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:43,200
it was like almost like a punk rock men's magazine

676
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,400
focused on bikes, but had some other ship. We did

677
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,839
like an issue zero and an Issue one. And while

678
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,559
all that was going on, we were doing I was

679
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:52,880
doing a bike build with my buddy Jason from Sacred

680
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,559
Steel and we did it was a show, it was

681
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:01,920
a History Channel show. So we did a bike bike biker.

682
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 6: Build off against another builder.

683
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 5: You know we did. We were such just retards, like

684
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:13,000
we didn't take it serious and we you know, I don't.

685
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,440
We We kind of just fucked off the whole time

686
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,680
during during what they're filming. Then they would leave and

687
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,200
we would build ship and they'd come back to the

688
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,960
ninth Shi, it's done. Anyways, we killed it. We won

689
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:26,200
the show and the editor from Easy Riders was was

690
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,480
one of the judges, Dave Nichols. So after we won,

691
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,880
we went out drinking, and I grew up with easy Riders.

692
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,839
I mean I grew up. I got kicked out of

693
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,519
I don't know, fourth fifth grade for bringing them to school,

694
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,680
you know, easy riders with.

695
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,839
Speaker 6: Titties out or something.

696
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,839
Speaker 5: And you know, and I always say, I think, yeah,

697
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,480
the first time I like fucking rubbed one out was

698
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,200
to an easy Rider that was laying around the house, right.

699
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: So.

700
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:53,839
Speaker 2: His catalog, man, you know what I mean.

701
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 5: Too, But UH got to the after party after we won,

702
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,119
you know, kind of kind of kissing his asshole because

703
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,039
I'm like, fuck, this is the editor from Easy Riders, right,

704
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,960
But by that, like the fourth Margarita or something, I

705
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,599
was just like, your mag sucks now, dude, I'm really

706
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,480
hard on him. And he didn't disagree, but which was crazy,

707
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,079
and he was like, well, come on down and let's

708
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:25,039
talk and see what you can do to to help

709
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,559
us out. At that point, I really wasn't I wasn't

710
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:29,920
a writer, I wasn't a photographer.

711
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: It wasn't anything.

712
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 5: Didn't make it barely speak English, right, So how he

713
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,599
wanted me to write a story for him. So he says, yeah,

714
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,359
why don't you what's coming up? And I think it

715
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,720
was ld Obbo Run two like there was a second one.

716
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,119
I saw the first one and maybe the horse bag

717
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:46,599
or I don't know where I saw it. I saw

718
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
it early on, and so I'm gonna do this crazy

719
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:54,160
ride too to uh San Felipe and and and Sonana,

720
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,319
and they're like, man Mexico, or I will take some pictures,

721
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,559
write a story. So I did and it. They did

722
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,960
like a six page spread on that and in Biker

723
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Mag and everyone loved it. They offered me a job.

724
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,159
So that's how I got in with Paisonic Publications and

725
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,599
Easy Riders. And I was still working, you know, in

726
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:16,559
my construction job and doing that part time. And then

727
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:19,159
that led to when we did Wrench. It was because

728
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,760
I was putting too many choppers into the new Easy

729
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Riders and they didn't like it.

730
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 6: I think, you know, they.

731
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,199
Speaker 5: Were trying to sell ads to you know, modern bike

732
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,960
companies and having choppers it makes sense. So then we

733
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,559
started Wrench Mag. We got Wrench Mag going that.

734
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 6: One for a while.

735
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,039
Speaker 5: You know, it was short lived. They couldn't sell ads.

736
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,320
They had an old their staff was very dated, you know.

737
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,760
They it's like the everyone's been there twenty years and

738
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,360
wasn't in the scene, like they didn't even had even

739
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,280
Born Free was like on its fifth Born Free five,

740
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,400
and they're like, oh, should we.

741
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 6: Go to this thing?

742
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 5: Do you think it's cool? And I'm like.

743
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

744
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,159
Speaker 3: So they were from another error and they just didn't

745
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,280
they didn't keep up with it.

746
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 4: They didn't keep up.

747
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: Now, Joe TERESI actually told me that the Internet was

748
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,639
just a fat and it was gonna go away. I'm

749
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:16,519
waiting for it to go away.

750
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sometimes I would, you know.

751
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,639
Speaker 5: But yeah, So that led to uh, you know, me

752
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,320
trying to buy easy Riders and not falling through. And

753
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,159
then I got linked up with some fucking shady partner

754
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,639
that was like, let's start our own mag and I'll

755
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,239
fund it all and you just run it. And that

756
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840
lasted one and a half to two issues when he

757
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,880
was already trying to run it, and I, you know,

758
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,440
we got into it and I had to buy him

759
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,000
out because Chopper's mag And I've told the story before,

760
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,000
is like I was trying to find a name for

761
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,440
a magazine, you know, and everything cool was taken because

762
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,920
you know, if you're trying to start a brand, it's

763
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,400
got to be you got to have the socials Ofvailable.

764
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,480
You gotta have the website available, you gotta have the

765
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:06,440
trademarks available. And I was like on my wits and

766
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:08,639
I'm just like, I don't know what I'm gonna call

767
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:11,519
this fucking thing. And I'm sitting in my shop and

768
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,199
I see a stack of you know, the old Ed

769
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,599
Ross Choppers bags that I had, and I was like,

770
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:18,840
I had my laptop. I was like, oh, I wonder,

771
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,480
I wonder who owns this now, let's just see. I

772
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,559
looked it up and it was the trademark was available.

773
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:30,320
I was like, huh, go to on instagram. Choppers mag

774
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:37,800
is available. Oh available? And I was like it possible.

775
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,360
So scooped them all up, got the trademarks, got everything done.

776
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,679
But before we did one issue, you know, I think

777
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,039
this is important thing to tell is I got a

778
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:52,000
hold of Ed Ross's son and let him know, hey,

779
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,599
I got these trademarks, I got the socials, I got

780
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,119
everything lined up. I want to print a magazine. I

781
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:01,559
need your blessing. And he was not stoked at first.

782
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:03,880
He was just like, you can't do that. That was

783
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,920
my dad's company. You know, I have all the archives.

784
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,239
I have that, And I was like, well, let's work together.

785
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,000
Let's do this together then, you know, and he wasn't interested.

786
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,159
He was interested in doing a magazine. He wasn't interested

787
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,559
in motorcycles. I think he was a retired cop, is

788
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,400
what I somebody told me. And in the end, you know,

789
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,880
I just said, hey, man, I just want to make

790
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,599
a magazine and I think this is a cool name

791
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:29,360
and I would love to I mean, ed Roth is

792
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,679
you know, fuck big daddy, Like this is cool. I'm

793
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,400
not trying to be ed Roth. I'm doing my own thing, right,

794
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,079
but I really want to do it. And in the

795
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,400
end he gave me his blessing. He said, go for it,

796
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,039
like you won't hear anything out of me, so which

797
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,599
was cool. So that to me, that was you know,

798
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,039
that was a sign to really to do it.

799
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's wild, man, because it's it's funny because

800
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,320
like I have a side project.

801
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,039
Speaker 4: Man, when we just.

802
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: Stided and it was like the whole thing, man, is

803
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,280
like like getting finding a name now is the hardest

804
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,519
thing in the fucking world, dude, for like a company,

805
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,920
a band, whatever whatever it is you're trying to do,

806
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,840
and have a name that hits hard and like is good.

807
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: And so I couldn't.

808
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: I can't believe that, you know, I can kind of

809
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,480
believe that they let the trademark or if it ever

810
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,119
was even trademark, if it laps, because it lapses after

811
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,039
a certain amount of time, that it makes sense that

812
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:23,599
you might be able to scoop that up. But the

813
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,119
fact that nobody took like Choppers mag like any of

814
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:31,119
the socials was yeah, or the domain is the you know,

815
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,119
that's all a sign, man. That's the way I would

816
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:34,920
look at it. It's like, hey, this is all available,

817
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,719
like this is a sign. And I wanted, yeah, I

818
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,440
wanted you to actually tell the story like how it

819
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,440
came about, because I know, you know, we talked and

820
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,320
you I knew the kind of the background a little

821
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,320
bit about how you had dealt with his son on

822
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,400
getting it going and stuff, and and you know, I

823
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,639
think it's rad that you you pay homage to it

824
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:56,119
because you know, for me, especially being an East Coast dude,

825
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,119
like you know, I'm sure they were more plentiful down there,

826
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:02,960
but finding those magazines, those were like unobtainium, man, and

827
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,039
those were like holy Grail finds. Like if you could

828
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,880
find a copy of like the old Roth Choppers or

829
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:09,840
I have a couple of the old like full sized

830
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,840
posters and stuff. You know, they got tears and stuff

831
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,360
I gotta actually bring up. I'm gonna bring them to

832
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,880
like like a place that like does archival stuff to

833
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,239
like really like get the posters laid out and framed

834
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,280
and correctly, you know, with like museum.

835
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,679
Speaker 2: Glass and stuff.

836
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: Because you know, if I if I even look at it,

837
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,719
like I see it like I'll make another tear and

838
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,360
it just buy like my eyes looking at it, you

839
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:29,800
know what I mean.

840
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:31,559
Speaker 2: I got like gorilla hands and stuff.

841
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,079
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not dainty or calfl with anything, so

842
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,719
but but that stuff was such relic like like I

843
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,400
remember when I found like an old roth like you

844
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,599
know air cleaner like the birds, you know, like the

845
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,559
bird deflect the air cleaner, and I was like, oh man,

846
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,400
it's got and they had the raw stamp like you know,

847
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:48,639
just being a kid, you know, not even a kid,

848
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,159
but just being younger and being so stoked on that stuff.

849
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,280
And I'm so glad that you kept it going and

850
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,159
the way you did it, like especially like you know

851
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:57,039
you were doing like.

852
00:39:57,199 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Didn't you get like some of the like a box

853
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,000
of like some of the old ones from them or

854
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:01,679
something like you.

855
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,199
Speaker 5: Had those posters. I've got them all framed.

856
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, every one of them that came.

857
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 5: From the Roth family. Everyone except the Sonny Bargin one

858
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,760
I have because he threw that one out because he

859
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,280
didn't like him. So I've got them all from his family.

860
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,199
And I've got a bunch of the archives stuff too,

861
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,039
like the original layout boards and stuff from the magazine. Yeah,

862
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,320
so that's pretty cool, just sitting on my shelf right there,

863
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:30,320
you know, Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. I'm a big,

864
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,880
big collector of art. So I've got all right, I mean,

865
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,159
I'm gonna I'm gonna jump into something you could. You

866
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:38,599
can cut me off if you want, but we just

867
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,119
I've been working with Jackie Man a lot for like

868
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,519
for the for the Chopper Fest, and I just signed

869
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,239
a license deal with her so that we can print.

870
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,480
I can't touch any of the Paisono stuff. They still

871
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,880
own all that stuff. They won't allow Jacket to print

872
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,840
any of that. But all the early ed Roth stuff

873
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,039
that Jackie owns, I can. You know, We're gonna come

874
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:58,880
out with a whole line of shirts and really cool

875
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,159
ship that were looking on. We've set up a nonprofit

876
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,159
organization called the David Mann Legacy Foundation. And what we're

877
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,159
gonna do with that is try and raise money, I mean,

878
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:12,119
and to buy this. So there's a lot of Dave

879
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,760
Man art floating out through with a lot of old timers,

880
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,280
and I worry that this stuff, like you know, some

881
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,840
some someone's grandson or granddaughter is not going to know

882
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,559
They're going to see this like half naked woman on

883
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:25,320
a chopper.

884
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:26,559
Speaker 6: And be like this, throw it away.

885
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 5: This is garden, right, So we want to try and

886
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,440
start tracking some of this stuff down, offering decent money

887
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,079
for it, preserving it, not so that.

888
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 6: I own it.

889
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,079
Speaker 5: It's all going to be belonged to this foundation that

890
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,840
we'll have a board and we'll be able to you know,

891
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,599
to to preserve it and to show it and to

892
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,320
keep get it. Let me see it like we want.

893
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,039
I want to see it in the Peterson. I want

894
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,760
to see it in the Harley Museum, like you know,

895
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,679
stuff like that. So and then it it just I

896
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:57,559
don't know what happens to it. We're still setting this

897
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,280
thing up, but it belongs to this foundation, and just

898
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480
you know, as we get a board members and people

899
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,559
come and go, it moves with that with those people,

900
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,840
and it's you know, I'm gonna die someday and I

901
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,119
don't want my kids to throw it away, so you know,

902
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:13,760
I want want it to be well preserved while taken

903
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,519
care of. So that's something really cool. I'm new I'm

904
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:19,480
working on that with Davey Gant and Tommy Boy and

905
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,480
Jackie Mann. They're all in Kansas City, so.

906
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's important man. You know, it's you gotta

907
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,719
preserve that artwork, like cause it's it's like you said,

908
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,079
even with like like you said, dealing with Ros's son,

909
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:32,719
like he didn't want nothing to do with it, but

910
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,760
he also it's like if if you would if you

911
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,599
had proceeded or you know, if like if you wanted

912
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,039
to be a dick, he could have tried to block

913
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,440
it or whatever. Like I don't know how legally things

914
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,960
could have worked, but it's good that you did it

915
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,199
with his blessing. But at the same time, it's like

916
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,199
he had all that stuff, but it wasn't gonna do

917
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,639
anything with it, but it was kind of being protective

918
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:51,280
of it because it was his father's. But it's like,

919
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,199
hey man, I'm just trying to keep this going. You

920
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,559
know what I mean, Like, and it's important to pass,

921
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,440
you know, get get people to pass the torch, whether

922
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,519
it's on like some got an original man painting kicking

923
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:01,960
around and.

924
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: It's like it's in the like you know what I mean.

925
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,199
Speaker 3: It's like it's packed up in someone's like storage unit

926
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,679
or in someone's basement or attic or something. It's like

927
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,519
that stuff needs to be preserved and someone, Yeah, that's

928
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:14,320
that's a righteous thing to do, man, is to get

929
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,639
that stuff and have it be preserved and be able

930
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,000
to be available for people to see again, you know

931
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,400
what I mean.

932
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 5: And yeah, I've been gifted a few Dave Man originals

933
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,639
from people that basically old timers that you know, Kim

934
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,559
Peterson game is some stuff and Dave Nichols games, all

935
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,960
all these writers people that they just you know, they've

936
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,920
enjoyed it for thirty years and they're just like, it's

937
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,639
your turn. And so now eventually I'll want to do

938
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:40,559
the same. You know, I'm not going to try and

939
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,920
sell something that was given to me. If I'll pass

940
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,519
it down to somebody or stays in this foundation and

941
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,360
you know, gets gets displayed somewhere, so we're we'll be

942
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,800
doing it you know, we just at chop Profest. We

943
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,159
just had you know, Davy Gank drove down because we

944
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:57,960
don't really want to ship any of these Dave Man

945
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,800
original I don't know. We've got Gray Cat's coat that's

946
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,039
in all the paintings. We've got the sissy with the

947
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,440
the sissy bar that Dave made, and like it's it's

948
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,239
not just paintings, it's his paint brushes, it's his glasses,

949
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,800
it's his his artifacts, right, So we chipped that stuff.

950
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,400
So Davy had a ren A van drive from Kansas

951
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,159
City here gets in a four car pile up like

952
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,519
it is craziness, man, Yeah, it was just crazy, but

953
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,360
it have We got to show it and then we'll

954
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,159
be back in Kansas City and sometime in September.

955
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,199
Speaker 6: And showing more stuff. So you know, it's it's pretty

956
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:36,639
neat to see.

957
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 5: If anybody's out there, you know, you could you can

958
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,360
open up an easy Riders and see a centerfold and

959
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:42,719
go out.

960
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,599
Speaker 6: These are cool. But to see some of this stuff

961
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,760
and the brushstrokes.

962
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: And the the paint brushes that painted in and you know,

963
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,840
some artifacts from him, it's I mean, if you're if

964
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,079
you're a fan of art, a fan of motorcycles, a

965
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,079
phantom motorcycle art. You should come see.

966
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: This stuff, yeah, man, So it's gonna it's gonna be

967
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,960
on display at at at all of them like the

968
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:05,360
chopperfests and everything.

969
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

970
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're gonna actually we're taking a little bit

971
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,280
of it with us too. I think Tommy just text

972
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,760
me he's taking six or eight pieces to Mama Tried,

973
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,760
so he'll have a couple original things. I don't know

974
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,039
what they selected, it's it's I kind of leave that

975
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,840
in their hands. They're they're they're the caretakers of the

976
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,880
art of Jackie's art right now. So and they're all

977
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,719
in Kansas City, so makes sense. So so one of them

978
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,000
will drive it up. Well, we'll have a fee pieces

979
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:32,199
hanging and uh yeah, I mean that's it so well

980
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,559
to be there. We're gonna do a little show in

981
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:37,599
Sturgis at the Buffalo Chip. We'll have some pieces hanging there.

982
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,519
But then Kansas City will be We're gonna do another

983
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:44,239
Kansas City Chopperfest in the West Bottom somewhere.

984
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: So hell yeah, man, that's that's rad. Yeah, because yeah,

985
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,199
especially like you know, as the foundation gets going and

986
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:51,760
there's more of a budget and stuff. If you could

987
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,400
make like a little traveling version of it to hit

988
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,079
the all the main shows. Man, let let that let

989
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,760
people get their eyes on that stuff, like in person.

990
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: It's cool.

991
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: Have you ever been to this is my first I went.

992
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,159
I had to go pick up a bike in Albany,

993
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,119
and I had never been to the Uh you ever

994
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,880
have you heard of the Motorcyclopedia Museum in Connecticut. It's

995
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,199
not it's not. It's on the border of Connecticut and

996
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,079
upstate New York. It's you know, you know v Twin Manufacturing,

997
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,239
you know Ted. Yeah, he's got a museum and he's

998
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,440
got a bunch of old Roth stuff. He's got like

999
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,239
the mailbox he's got like, oh, I'm gonna send you

1000
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,920
some pictures. I'll send you some pictures offline. If you're

1001
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,760
ever out this way, Dude, you got to go check

1002
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,559
that place out because he's got like I'm like, no

1003
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,719
one really like people know about the place, but people

1004
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,960
in the Chopp world don't really understand what's there. There

1005
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:53,880
is so much. There's so much there, dude. And not

1006
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,119
only is there so much there like in just as

1007
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,760
like there's a bunch of old like Roth, you know

1008
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:03,679
Roth strikes, you know, rock bikes and stuff. He's got

1009
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,119
stuff from from from everyone. But then he's got a

1010
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,000
bunch of like famous movie bikes and TV show bikes

1011
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,920
and all this stuff, and then there's so many vintage bikes,

1012
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,679
like I can't even keep track. I'll send you some pictures, like, uh, definitely,

1013
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,239
that's something you might want to check out sometime too.

1014
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: Man, if you're ever out this way just.

1015
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,679
Speaker 5: To go there, I'll head out just to go there. Yeah,

1016
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,320
we do want to do We've we've been kicking around

1017
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,960
the idea of doing something on the East coast, like

1018
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,119
do a Chopperfest New York or New Jersey or some

1019
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:34,440
you know something like that, you know, or maybe just

1020
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,159
do something with with Bobby when he does his block

1021
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,920
party again, you know when he if he doesn't use

1022
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,199
it out.

1023
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's always funny. He's like the

1024
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,960
last few years, he's like, there's gonna be the last one,

1025
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:47,079
last one, you know what I mean.

1026
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:49,079
Speaker 5: And it's like you tell me that every time you

1027
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:50,280
gotta come this last one.

1028
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1029
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, you can't kill that thing, man, you

1030
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:56,119
can't kill that Yeah. But yeah, I'll send you some

1031
00:47:56,159 --> 00:48:00,360
pictures when when when we're off here. But but yeah, man,

1032
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:03,079
and I'll talk to you about some other stuff too.

1033
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:08,559
But uh so, what's so, choppers? What what what issue

1034
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:13,360
you on now? Because we are you doing it monthly still?

1035
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,000
Or are you doing it?

1036
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: Is it?

1037
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: We never did a monthly No, you know, the full

1038
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,039
time job and the family is doesn't you know? We

1039
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:24,360
try we do four a year. Sometimes I tried to

1040
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,079
do six. It didn't work out too well. We can

1041
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:27,119
get I can get four.

1042
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 6: Out a year.

1043
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 5: I mean they're high end Hunter page coffee table books

1044
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,320
now perfect bound. Now I don't know obviously the new

1045
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,000
ones we went away from the stable.

1046
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,519
Speaker 6: I'll get you some out and now.

1047
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 5: But they're you know, they're they're very well done. My my,

1048
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,920
my layout guys, I got a new guy beating it

1049
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:47,119
is still around. He's an old easy writer's head. But

1050
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,559
we got I got a new layout guy too. It's

1051
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:53,719
helping him named Kyle. He did the a take of

1052
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,800
his own version of Miraculous Mother called Benevolent Brother, and

1053
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,440
it's it's it's so good, you know, a little homage

1054
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,199
to the my easy writer days.

1055
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,519
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, yeah, how how are you know when

1056
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:10,800
when some of the older guys. See, you know, the

1057
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,199
new incarnation of Choppers, And I know it's been around

1058
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:14,960
for a while now, but like, you know, like are

1059
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,920
they stoked on it? Are they like, hey man, this

1060
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,760
is cool? Or is it like they're like this reminds

1061
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,679
me of like back in the day, you know that

1062
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:21,840
that type of vibe.

1063
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. A lot of the old timers too, right,

1064
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:28,199
because a lot that's a lot of our clientele, you know.

1065
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,679
I guess these younger kids, they'll still flip through it

1066
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,320
on their phone. We do have a digital version, but

1067
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,159
you know, are a lot of our readerships are older,

1068
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,800
older cats, and they love it.

1069
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I haven't had one complaint.

1070
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:39,559
Speaker 4: You know.

1071
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 5: Complaint is the cost mostly to mail it, but it's

1072
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,039
the weighs over a pound, yeah, so and it has.

1073
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,519
Speaker 6: To get out to you.

1074
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 5: So I don't make any money on that. So that's

1075
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,039
what I tell them, Like do your.

1076
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: Post Yeah yeah, I get that all the time too,

1077
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Like hey man, my stuff isn't here And I'm like,

1078
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,079
you sawr I shipped it right, And I'm like yeah,

1079
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:58,880
I'm like once that left me. Dude, you got you

1080
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,320
have complaints with the post office? Bro, not me, Homie

1081
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,360
like what do you want me to do? Like go

1082
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,840
go go drive out the North Carolina and find it,

1083
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:14,239
you know the you know, but yeah, but no, but no, yeah,

1084
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,239
I mean that's what I like about the magazine is

1085
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,079
like it's it's got the old vibe to it. It's

1086
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,320
it's it's quality. It's it's it's something to hold, you

1087
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,320
know what I mean. And and that's important because I'm

1088
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,880
still you know, I'm the same age you you you

1089
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,920
know what I mean. So like I'm still someone that

1090
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,239
like wants to flip through. I just haven't had time.

1091
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,840
I'm like so behind on everything right now, dude, because

1092
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,400
I've been working like seven days a week. I got

1093
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,559
a bunch of different crap going on. But but yeah, man,

1094
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:42,000
I always you know, I have all the all the

1095
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,039
original all the all the early issues and stuff, and

1096
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,320
they're just like it's it's quality, dude. And that's how

1097
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,239
you got to do it now, right because you're competing

1098
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,960
with the internet. You got to do it almost like

1099
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,719
a you know, like a like like a like you said,

1100
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,400
like a bound book, like you know, like.

1101
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 6: Four we may get a collectible book.

1102
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,599
Speaker 5: We keep our print runs as low as we can

1103
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,679
with subscribers. We know about how many we're going to sell,

1104
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,559
and then we just buy you know, maybe you know,

1105
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,760
a thousand or two thousand extra from what we think

1106
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,280
we're going to sell. But I'm lately with I think

1107
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,760
with you know, we kind of partnering up with Harley

1108
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,400
Davis and stuff. We're getting a lot in new readership.

1109
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,639
So it seems like every other issue I have to

1110
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:28,519
up my print run because I'm selling out trying to

1111
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,880
sell out, which is good, but it bums people out,

1112
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,119
you know, because I'm a collector too, So when I

1113
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:35,960
like miss A mag and it sells out, I'm like,

1114
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:39,199
ah shit, yeah, yeah, you know, try and find it

1115
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:40,800
and then you pay one hundred bucks for it online

1116
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,119
somewhere or something for magazine suck. So but yeah, I

1117
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:50,760
mean it's it's it's going well. We got another issue

1118
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,320
just about ready to drop, two issues about ready to

1119
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,480
drop because we've got to get two more out for

1120
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:58,639
last year's subscribers because we did six and we didn't

1121
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,679
make it. So we're getting these next two out in

1122
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,119
the next month and a half and then we'll be

1123
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:06,039
onto the twenty twenty sixth subscription, which will be four issues.

1124
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:12,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, oh yeah, man, and uh the the

1125
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,519
uh anything? I lost my train of thought. I'm sorry, man,

1126
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,599
because now I got so much shit going through my

1127
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:24,719
head right now, like because I like, you know, like, uh,

1128
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,239
anything else going on like.

1129
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: With like, sorry, dude, I just totally blaked out. Whatever.

1130
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:39,119
That's all right, but let's let's keep it moving.

1131
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: Like anything going on different in twenty twenty six with

1132
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,880
the magazine or is it still headed just like just

1133
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,320
just just dialing it in more like you know anything.

1134
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 5: We've got a few ideas, I think. You know, we've

1135
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,199
done a couple of like kind of we've done two

1136
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,760
Texas editions. Now, yeah, people are always you know, we've

1137
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,480
done two Texas editions and one Milwaukee was in Milwaukee, Yeah,

1138
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,199
Milwaukee edition. And and so I get people from other

1139
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,719
states from others. You should do it, Canadian one, you

1140
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,480
should do with this. I'm like, yeah, get me ten

1141
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:14,199
bikes shot and your runs that are in your area

1142
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,159
and I'll do it.

1143
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1144
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 5: The only only Texas comes through, man, like well Milwaukee

1145
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,000
tod two. But it's like it's it's not an easy

1146
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,880
task to get ten I mean it's not I'm not

1147
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,360
asking them to pay for it. We'll pay for it,

1148
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,400
but you line up ten bikes in your area, you know, professionally,

1149
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,199
professionally yeah, and you know we pay photographers with pair riders.

1150
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:38,039
But you get me all that and we'll do one.

1151
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,440
But I've got a few ideas to do one one idea,

1152
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,039
and I haven't even started yet. I really would like

1153
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,519
to do like an all woman's Ride edition. They don't

1154
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:50,440
have to build their bike.

1155
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 6: I don't care.

1156
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 5: Like, but if you ride a Chopper and you'rel I

1157
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,559
got mad respect for you, man, because these things aren't easy, right,

1158
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:00,000
And there's a lot of chicks across the country, are

1159
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,920
around the world that rides some pretty cool Choppers. So

1160
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,360
if I can make that happen, I'd love to do that.

1161
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,119
Speaker 6: You know, we we thought about doing.

1162
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,159
Speaker 5: Taking the Choppers mag formula and doing a new mag

1163
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,400
for newer bikes, right, because I mean, Choppers Magazine is great,

1164
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,440
it's cool, it's fun, it's you know, it pays for itself.

1165
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 6: There's no money in it, and I'm not doing it

1166
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,239
for the money.

1167
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,039
Speaker 5: But if I wanted to ever quit my job, if

1168
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:31,199
I want to, like I was up since four thirty

1169
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,280
this morning, if I ever want to stop that, like

1170
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,320
I need to make a magazine that could sell ads

1171
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,199
to yeah, sell ads, you know, newer bikes. So we're

1172
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,039
kicking that idea around two but as right now, I

1173
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:44,679
just don't have the bandwidth to do it. You know,

1174
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,239
I'm busy with like I said, with family with choppers,

1175
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,039
and then these shows are doing now is taking the

1176
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:50,840
time and.

1177
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: Plus plus regular ass work on top of it.

1178
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what I wanted to ask you now,

1179
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,559
there's two things, and one I'm going to ask is

1180
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:59,440
delicately like, answer however you want?

1181
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: Dealing with Harley? What's it like?

1182
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,599
Speaker 3: I mean, all right, we all we all love Harley

1183
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:10,119
Davidson products. We all have a love hate relationship with

1184
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:11,800
the company, you know what I mean. Like, you know,

1185
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
I'm not saying you I'm saying but I'll say me

1186
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,079
like you know what i mean. I'm like, Harley's one

1187
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,280
of the only companies that you can absolutely like love

1188
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,480
the company, love some of the products, and hate the

1189
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,360
fucking company half the time. And you're like, what the

1190
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,880
fuck is going on with these guys? Like, but they

1191
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,960
also will do some cool shit, like they'll they'll like

1192
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,519
co sponsor, you know, or be a main sponsor of

1193
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,679
like Mama Tride or like some Chopper stuff like it.

1194
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:35,880
How is it working? Is It's just like a couple

1195
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,280
of people that are in there that are in a

1196
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,760
cool shit and are like trying to like kind of

1197
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,880
keep things going like with like maintaining a relationship with

1198
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,840
like their past and like their cool shit like or

1199
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,400
it's like, what, like what's your experience like with working

1200
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,079
with like Harley.

1201
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 5: You know, I'll start off with I was in I

1202
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,599
was in your shoes and a lot of people's shoes

1203
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:55,639
for a lot of years.

1204
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:57,639
Speaker 6: Like yeah, fuck factory this and.

1205
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 5: That, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd be saying that while

1206
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,599
we're in a Harley shirt, riding Harley Davison, maybe having

1207
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,079
a Harley hat like, and I'm.

1208
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: Like a fuck.

1209
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,119
Speaker 5: And I was like I just matured, and I was

1210
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,880
like even before they were a sponsor, and I was like, well,

1211
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,880
this is dumb, Like why am I wearing? Why do

1212
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,199
I still buy Harley shirts if I'm this guy saying this? Right?

1213
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,320
So I had gotten over that years ago, gotten over

1214
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,639
years ago, and just you know, it's a corporation. It's

1215
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,000
a giant corporation. They do what they got to do

1216
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:34,719
to continue to be a corporation right, Like, they're not

1217
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,400
they're not going to come out with his shirts they

1218
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,880
used to come out with, or they're not going to

1219
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,000
come out with stuff that, you know, especially in today's

1220
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,480
climate with you know, I don't want to say wokens,

1221
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,440
but whatever it is, you know, with people canceling for everything.

1222
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: With modern with modern sensibilities.

1223
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,159
Speaker 5: You know, when I got an opportunity to work with them,

1224
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,559
it all came from my buddy from Jeff Hole who

1225
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,480
called me out of the blue one day and he's like,

1226
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:05,679
are you coming to Daytona? And I was like, fuck, no,

1227
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,360
I'm not going on why would I go to Daytona?

1228
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:09,920
Like I write a Chopper dude, Like, there's no choppers there,

1229
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:13,920
And he's like, there's choppers there, you know, And I said,

1230
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,440
I don't think. He's like, well, my buddy's gonna call

1231
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,079
you from Harley. He wants you to do the Chopper

1232
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:18,440
show there.

1233
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,679
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, so that was our first

1234
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:23,639
show we did with him. So we did. We did

1235
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:25,360
the show with them.

1236
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,679
Speaker 5: And the you know speedway there in a parking lot.

1237
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,079
We had a blastom We had a good time and

1238
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,920
they were great. That person to helped me moved on

1239
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:35,880
to the person that took his place. His name is Brian.

1240
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,639
Became a friend and it is there's a lot more

1241
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:43,440
cool people than you would think in there. You know,

1242
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:48,239
there's a lot of really good you know, my managing editor,

1243
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:53,159
Max Varna, he now works for their like global marketing team. Like,

1244
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:55,679
they got a fucking biker in there. He's a little

1245
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:59,519
fella angry Philadelphia and he's probably listening. I will listen

1246
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:03,679
to this, and he he's kicking ass there. He is

1247
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,079
kicking like he is. He is a real deal biker,

1248
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:09,800
but very intelligent and very good at his job in marketing.

1249
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,199
So there's there's a lot more cool people than you think.

1250
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,760
They are beholden to corporate structure right like like anything.

1251
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,679
When when you know, when they went to the whole

1252
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,360
DEI stuff, I kind of I just laughed at it

1253
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,960
because I was like, man, every corporation is going through that.

1254
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:27,599
Any corporation you could think of that you're involved with,

1255
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:28,679
went through that.

1256
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 4: You know.

1257
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:31,679
Speaker 5: It wasn't nobody going.

1258
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:33,079
Speaker 6: The opposite of it.

1259
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 5: So they were doing what they had to do because

1260
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:36,800
somebody on the Internet told me how to do it.

1261
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:38,679
Speaker 2: You know.

1262
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,519
Speaker 5: Now you know they got this new CEO, and I

1263
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,159
got to meet him in Italy, very down to earth guy.

1264
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:47,760
You know, I did hear some ship while he's from

1265
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,480
top golf, he's not He's not a biker, he's not

1266
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:51,400
pretending to be a biker.

1267
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 6: He's he's a fucking CEO.

1268
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,079
Speaker 5: And he needs to turn this company around and he

1269
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:58,360
needs to get new riders on bikes and he's got

1270
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,960
a job to do. And I from from just I

1271
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,719
had a ten minute conversation with him in Italy. I

1272
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,480
got a meeting with them set up a Mama tried.

1273
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,280
I think he's going to be good for the for

1274
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,039
the motor company. He's American. Nothing against Yoakin. He was

1275
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:14,199
a great guy too. But this guy, I think is

1276
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:16,599
going to be great. And I think I hope he

1277
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,800
continues to support like the historical or the history part

1278
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,760
of Harley Davidson, right because without without all of us

1279
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:30,519
on these old choppers riding around like, there may not be.

1280
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:31,719
Speaker 6: A Harley Davison anymore.

1281
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,639
Speaker 5: Right. So I think they know, they know that they've

1282
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:39,039
got to pay homage to where they come from, and

1283
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:40,639
they're doing it, and they have done it, and they've

1284
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,199
they've been great to work with. I would not you know,

1285
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:47,159
work with anyone else. You know, I if Harley left

1286
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:50,440
me as a sponsor today, I would not go run

1287
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,280
into Indian.

1288
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,599
Speaker 6: Like other people do. It's like I've seen it in shows.

1289
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 5: You know, fucking Paradise Roadshow got dropped and they ran

1290
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,679
straight to I'm calling him out.

1291
00:59:58,679 --> 00:59:59,159
Speaker 4: I don't care.

1292
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 5: They ran straight to Indian.

1293
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 6: And I don't rune an Indian. I don't want to

1294
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:02,960
write an Indian.

1295
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 5: I don't care. Like Indians are cool, They're great. If

1296
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,760
that's your thing, it's not my thing. I would rather

1297
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,000
just you know, fund everything myself then like I got

1298
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:18,239
some loyalty to this brand and and that's it. That's

1299
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,719
you know, that's where I'm at with them.

1300
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1301
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: No, I would just be remiss to ask because I

1302
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:23,960
you know, the chopper community wants to know, like what

1303
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,559
the fuck is up with them? Like why they get

1304
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:27,559
you know, cause it seems like sometimes they'll pay like

1305
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,639
some attention to choppers in history, then sometimes they don't,

1306
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:32,960
you know what I mean. So it's just like I

1307
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:34,840
was just wondering what it was like that. But I

1308
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,800
always had a feeling that I was like, there's gotta

1309
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,880
be some motherfuckers that know what's up in there, because

1310
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,480
they'll hire certain people that I know or you know,

1311
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:43,679
and they always have like seem to have good photographers,

1312
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:46,119
so they they'll cherry pick from from our world, you

1313
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:47,760
know what I mean, and get people in there, and

1314
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,159
so you know.

1315
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,679
Speaker 2: I just want I just want people to have hope.

1316
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,840
That's all, you know what I mean.

1317
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're great to work with. I don't have

1318
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,400
you know, the people I deal with are very upfront.

1319
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,039
You know, if I ask for a certain budget, I

1320
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:05,360
don't get the I don't get the run around. Maybe

1321
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,920
let's see what we can do. No, I get that

1322
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:11,320
you're crazy. We'll give you this much. Yeah, that's you know,

1323
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,239
That's all you can ask for is some honesty and

1324
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:17,360
and you know, being upfront about things, and you know,

1325
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,400
working together, you know, it's it's I I'm I'm nothing

1326
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,039
bad to say about working with them at all. Yeah,

1327
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,280
and I ont you know, I know this relationship won't

1328
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,960
last forever. I'm you know, they're going to move on

1329
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,039
to somebody eventually, and I still won't have any bad

1330
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:34,599
to say about it.

1331
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 4: It was great, you know.

1332
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, No, that's good to hear man, especially like

1333
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,880
you know, from a sponsorship situation because you know, you know,

1334
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,519
you know what I think it is is that like

1335
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,760
you know, it's like I don't know, like sometimes, like

1336
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,039
you said, you know, the guy on the street isn't

1337
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:53,920
going to understand why the CEO sometimes is doing certain

1338
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,519
things like for the sake of the company, you know,

1339
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:59,519
because you know the company is also you know, beholding

1340
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:02,440
to a chair and all that, but they're also trying

1341
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,800
to be beholden to the people that got them where

1342
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,639
they were, which is like the guy on the on

1343
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:08,519
the on the on the bike on the street. You know,

1344
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,599
it's like it's a it's a delicate balance, man, because

1345
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:15,440
you're dealing with a lot of like basically American subculture

1346
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:18,400
and outlaw world, you know, but also you're dealing with

1347
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,599
a lot of corporate culture. So it's a weird position

1348
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,239
to be. And like if you're like you know, in

1349
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,719
in that corporate structure, you know what I mean, it's like,

1350
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:26,679
you know, you'll beholding to these guys, you know what

1351
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,000
I mean, like on this level and then also you know,

1352
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,760
on the business level. So it seems like a you know,

1353
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,360
a balance and act you know for sure to try

1354
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,840
and keep things afloating.

1355
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:36,519
Speaker 2: Everyone happy.

1356
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, they're they're they're really good. Good good

1357
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:44,199
to me. And they understand, you know, it's our scene.

1358
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,840
Our guys. They'll go out and drink a couple of

1359
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,719
beers and ride their bike. Like obviously as a corporation,

1360
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,920
you can't show that, you can't, you know. So but

1361
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,760
they work with us, they you know, they we find

1362
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:59,960
loopholes too to still party and have a good time

1363
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,519
time and still work with a company. And and like

1364
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:05,760
I said, there's nothing more I can ask for them.

1365
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,440
And what better sponsor is there for a motorcycle show

1366
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:09,280
than Harley Davidson?

1367
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, cool? Well what else you got cooking man?

1368
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,400
This is you got a lot of you got a

1369
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,440
lot of irons in the fire man? What else? What

1370
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:17,239
else is going on?

1371
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 5: I think, well, it's just the shows that we're planning

1372
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,639
to do, right this this this Legacy Foundation. And then

1373
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:25,519
Mama tried, Are you coming to Mama tried?

1374
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: Y'all I see your thing right yeah, so you know,

1375
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,559
and it's it's uh, you know, like Zach and Bobby,

1376
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:34,760
Like Zach's been hit me up, like I didn't. I

1377
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,679
don't have anything done to bring this year. I might

1378
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,760
just do like a I might just try and do

1379
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,519
Like so for me, it's like hard to do all right,

1380
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,280
you know what we were talking about earlier, Like it'd

1381
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,719
be great to be able to go to a show

1382
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,000
and not have a booth and not be beholden to

1383
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,480
it and like just be able to pop around. I

1384
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:55,800
also kind of need to be able to have business

1385
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,960
happen at a show to meet for me to justify

1386
01:03:58,039 --> 01:03:59,800
going out to a lot of ship like because it's

1387
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,519
you know, working seven days a week and cost and everything.

1388
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,400
But if I can make it happen, I'm gonna try

1389
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,920
and just skate in and like hang out for a

1390
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,119
day or two. Like, but I don't have anything set up,

1391
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:13,440
Like I didn't I didn't talk to Scott or anything

1392
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,599
because I didn't have any bike to bring this year.

1393
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,280
Like we're working on some stuff, like I'll try and

1394
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,880
have a bike for next year. But so yeah, I

1395
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,440
might try and just pop through and hang out, you

1396
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:23,960
know what I mean.

1397
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,559
Speaker 5: So some of those we're not doing much, I might

1398
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,280
be sending some hats and mags and then we're just

1399
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,559
gonna have some art hanging, yeah, you know, some some

1400
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:38,199
man art hanging. We're going with our friends from Huckleberry brand.

1401
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:40,079
They're they're setting up a booth and then Tommy set

1402
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:46,480
up a booth right to what's his names, Tommy Speed.

1403
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 6: I can't always forget his name, him Tommy anyways.

1404
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're we're we're all kind of be set

1405
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,480
up upstairs in the balcony hanging out. I'm not planning

1406
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,079
to be there. I this show for me is like

1407
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:02,519
a it's kind of a networking show too, kind of

1408
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:04,920
you know, it's the same thing with like parts and labor,

1409
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,320
the builtwell did there's some great networking for the industry.

1410
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,320
You know, I really never until recently, I never really

1411
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,480
understood the whole net like really networking. Like, but you know,

1412
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:19,679
putting a face of the name and shaking hands and

1413
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:22,760
having a beer, having a dinner, having a conversation goes

1414
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,480
a long way in our industry, right We're still dealing

1415
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,559
with a lot of the I mean, I'm fifty three

1416
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,480
and they're still I call old people that are still

1417
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,079
in the industry that they want that handshake. Man. And

1418
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:35,960
if you want to do anything in this industry, you

1419
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:38,480
got to show up, man, Just show up. And you know,

1420
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,239
you don't always have to sell something. You could just go,

1421
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,119
and those are some of the obviously better times you

1422
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:47,480
have because you're not stressed out about getting up at

1423
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,400
crack of dawn to make sure your booth is set

1424
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,039
up and all that.

1425
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 6: You can stroll in when you.

1426
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 5: Want and walk around, hang out, get a little drunk

1427
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,880
if you want, and not worry about things, you know.

1428
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're you're saying all

1429
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:07,079
the right things, you know. Yeah, So you know, I'm

1430
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:09,039
like fifty to fifty, I'll be out there. It's just

1431
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,920
it's more of a time thing because I have I

1432
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,719
have a bunch of irons in the fire as well,

1433
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,440
and that's just if I can carve out a couple,

1434
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:16,559
if I can carve out.

1435
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,119
Speaker 2: Some time and and you know what I mean.

1436
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 3: And it's like for me, it's like, you know, I'm

1437
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,360
already in shitty cold weather, so it's not going to

1438
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,239
be any it's not gonna be any different from me.

1439
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:25,519
Speaker 2: It's like.

1440
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,199
Speaker 5: I'm not looking forward to the seven degree night I

1441
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,639
just saw on the weather. Yeah, but yeah, oh go ahead.

1442
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it's like I should have I

1443
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,360
should have really, I should have really just been out

1444
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,679
there in Ventura, you know.

1445
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,079
Speaker 5: That, man, I mean venturing February seventy degrees.

1446
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's an easier sell than the Especially if

1447
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:53,400
I go to fly into Milwaukee, I'm like, am I

1448
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,679
going to be able to fly there and not have

1449
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:58,800
any snow delays or get stuck? You know, like going

1450
01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,760
there or coming back?

1451
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 4: You know?

1452
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, Yeah, I might just drive,

1453
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,199
you know, I like driving.

1454
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 5: What we're doing is we're flying into Chicago. It's an

1455
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,840
hour drive there. You got to do a stop somewhere,

1456
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,440
you know, and it's more than an hour delay to

1457
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:13,960
get on the next plane on that. So we just

1458
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,119
fly to Chicago and drive up. It's a nice drive.

1459
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:20,079
The weather looks good to drive, so we're good. But

1460
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,840
so after Mama tried, what's that February, We're gonna do

1461
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,000
a little show in Decatur, Texas. An old friend of mine, Brendan,

1462
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,360
and he used to work for old Smokey Moonshine and

1463
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,159
used to party with him a little bit, have.

1464
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:34,559
Speaker 6: A good time.

1465
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:37,199
Speaker 5: Needs to set us up with that moonshine. He opened

1466
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,280
up a bar up there and he just called me

1467
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,320
and he goes, hey, like I want to have a

1468
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,239
chopper party. He's like, nothing big that you know, you

1469
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,880
don't need to do anything, just come out, hang out.

1470
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:51,239
And I was like, all right, like let's see. You know,

1471
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,760
we kind of worked it out. It's just called the

1472
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:54,760
name of the bar is a county seat, So we're

1473
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,840
doing the county seat kickback. I'm flying a few days early,

1474
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,239
get some get some danger. Dan time he's got you know,

1475
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:04,519
he's building an M eight chopper and he's got to

1476
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:07,119
I'll ride his other chopper and we'll go camping for

1477
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:09,440
a couple of days and get dirty, and then we'll

1478
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,920
make our way to the show that's in that's late

1479
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:17,720
April somewhere, and then, uh, can you catch my dog barking?

1480
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right. I love dogs. It's cool. They

1481
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,600
can make guest appearances anytime.

1482
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, so that's April.

1483
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 6: May June.

1484
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 5: We got a decision to make. Are we gonna go

1485
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,880
to the last al Diable run in May? Or are

1486
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,640
we going to go to Thailand for a bike show?

1487
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,600
It sounds like an easy choice, right, like Thailand not

1488
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,960
Man because EDR I've been almost all of them and

1489
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:48,880
I love that show, but Thailand is bitching.

1490
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if Thailand's going to be there next year,

1491
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,960
you know, you know. That's the thing, is it?

1492
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like is it or is

1493
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,479
the invite gonna be there?

1494
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1495
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, they're gonna Like Southeast Asia has got

1496
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,399
a fucking scene kicking man like I I I get,

1497
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:04,960
I get hit ups from some of the guys, like

1498
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,479
from like Indonesia and not really talent, but like Indonesia.

1499
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,199
Speaker 2: And where's the other one I can't remember.

1500
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 3: There's a few few countries out there with like they're

1501
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,199
building rad choppers, but they're building them out of like

1502
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,000
things they have, so they might not be Harley, but

1503
01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:23,039
they'll be like these weird like little bikes, but they're

1504
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,520
like building like you know, raked out long bikes out

1505
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,479
of them and crazy ship like they're they're they're they're

1506
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,039
being very uh they're they're doing a lot of uh

1507
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:36,039
you know, cool engineering with with what they have available

1508
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:36,720
to them out there.

1509
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1510
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, I'm telling my kids to stop the barking.

1511
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 4: Where did you go there? You are?

1512
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,399
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1513
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got those those little bikes, then they got

1514
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,880
the tuk tuks or tuck tuck I don't know, I

1515
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,239
say some ones.

1516
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:56,079
Speaker 4: That's that.

1517
01:09:56,399 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1518
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 6: Of course, Japan has everything.

1519
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,199
Speaker 5: They've got you know, everything there, like bikes.

1520
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: Dude. When I did Moon Eyes, they had us come out.

1521
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,079
Speaker 3: It was like it was like two thousand and five

1522
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:11,439
or something, two thousand and five or two thousand and six,

1523
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,760
they had them all. Then I was like, oh, here's

1524
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,000
where all the knuckleheads are. And then yeah, now it's

1525
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:19,199
twenty years later and it's like, I'm sure there's even more,

1526
01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:21,600
but that it seems like that slowed down a little bit,

1527
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,960
but they're you know, they're still going. You know, them guys,

1528
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,680
the the commitment they have to design.

1529
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,279
Speaker 6: The answer graver.

1530
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all right, man, it's all right. But yeah,

1531
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:40,479
I mean it's uh, but what we were saying, just

1532
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,800
like Thailand, like what all the stuff they going they

1533
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,319
got going on in Southeast Asia? Man, they're doing cool shit.

1534
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,680
And those dudes are like ride like maniacs, like you know,

1535
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,239
like whenever you see their videos and stuff, I'm like, damn, dude,

1536
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:55,000
like you guys are gonna die, like you're on these

1537
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:58,119
little bikes and like you're just going fucking insane, you know,

1538
01:10:58,279 --> 01:10:59,319
Like I love that shit.

1539
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:01,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1540
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh, Malaysia has a good scene.

1541
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,279
Speaker 6: Some of the guys from Malaysia.

1542
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 5: Uh, rode to the Bangkok show when I was there

1543
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,840
a few years I don't know, five years ago for you,

1544
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,880
and they did a full motor swap on the way

1545
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:24,560
because one of the one of the bikes blew up

1546
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,880
and they you know, bike up lots of breaks or something.

1547
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,359
So they're like, well, the guys like I don't want

1548
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:31,199
to ride that bike, Like, let's just pull that motor

1549
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:32,800
like inside of the road in Malaysia and they just

1550
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,199
did a full panhead motorsa fucking ran right like those

1551
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:38,720
guys ride.

1552
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's all over the world. Man, it's great.

1553
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 5: It's great. So yeah, yeah, yeah, but other than that,

1554
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,600
you know, we got that and then we'll have Sturgis

1555
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,760
in Kansas City and maybe Moon Eyes. I don't know

1556
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,000
if we're going back, like you know, we don't go

1557
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:57,800
every year.

1558
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 4: But it's a whole Yeah, it's.

1559
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:02,279
Speaker 5: Hard to do them all.

1560
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:03,239
Speaker 6: It's hard to do them all.

1561
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,039
Speaker 5: We're having a blast with ours, you know, this this

1562
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:09,079
venture one was a blast. Kansas City was a big

1563
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:12,680
success last year. You know, we were getting guys saying

1564
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,840
things like man, we were this community needed it.

1565
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 4: He needed a.

1566
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 5: Bike with this and you know Jackie's man's from Kansas City.

1567
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 6: So it's it's it's good.

1568
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 5: It's good, good ship going on. You know, we're just

1569
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,239
making mags and doing shows. That's it.

1570
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, where can people find you? You know, you

1571
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,239
don't give out the socials so that people can give.

1572
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: You a shop.

1573
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:41,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, Choppers Magazine on Instagram, Facebook if anyone's still on Facebook.

1574
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:48,199
And then Chopper fessed for the shows we do. I

1575
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,319
know one last thing, I got a top before we go.

1576
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,439
So we were doing we were doing the the uh

1577
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,520
Virginia City roundup where you could get on a horse

1578
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,000
and ryde all that. We did that for five years.

1579
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:01,920
It was great success. We have fun. But with the

1580
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,079
addition of the extra Chop profests, we're.

1581
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 6: Gonna kill that one.

1582
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 5: But we don't want to kill it in its entirety.

1583
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,520
So what I think we're gonna do is we're gonna

1584
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,079
do town takeovers and we're gonna start with Virginia City.

1585
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,279
So we're just gonna tell people, Hey, we're coming up

1586
01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:19,159
to this town. We want everyone to ride with us

1587
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,159
from wherever, and we're gonna party for a weekend. No vendors,

1588
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,079
no no no show, no prizes, no raffles. On another

1589
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,760
coming party. With like minded people, have a good time

1590
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,439
for a weekend and go home, and then we'll change

1591
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,319
that town every year.

1592
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'll just do these things.

1593
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 5: You know, it sounds bad a takeover, but it's not

1594
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,079
like un sure right booze fighters and it's just guys

1595
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:51,039
going having a good time. And uh so I think

1596
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:52,920
that's what we're gonna do. That's that's on the on

1597
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,479
the on the on the whiteboard is the town takeovers.

1598
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,119
So you know, we'll start with Virginia City to where

1599
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:03,640
we were doing the show, and then we will change

1600
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:04,359
it up next year.

1601
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:05,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1602
01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 3: And the cool thing is that this is this is

1603
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,479
such like a nationwide like there's such there's like all

1604
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,800
these grassroots shows all around the country, and you could

1605
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:18,319
team up with one of them, one of the organizers,

1606
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:20,079
and be like, hey man, we're gonna this. We're gonna

1607
01:14:20,079 --> 01:14:22,439
think maybe your town, like what's cool, you know what

1608
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,319
I mean? Where's the good riding, you know what I mean?

1609
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:26,800
And like you know, like you got you gotta You've

1610
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,359
got a bunch of guys out there that are already

1611
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:30,279
ready ready to rock and roll, you know what I mean,

1612
01:14:30,279 --> 01:14:34,920
And like that could be fun as fuck, man, Like, yeah, no, no,

1613
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,520
no preordained stuff, like just show up and whatever happens happens,

1614
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:39,479
and it's it's a good time.

1615
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:42,399
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1616
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, were thinking eighty one hundred people might show up,

1617
01:14:46,039 --> 01:14:49,600
so it's like we're gonna, you know, fully take over town.

1618
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,800
But yeah, as this thing grows like it might, you know,

1619
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,840
and it's just gonna be a fun hangout like a

1620
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:01,159
roving basically party, just a roving already type show and

1621
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:04,600
everybody could check out bikes and hang out and drink beer,

1622
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,319
get ice cream, do whatever you want to do, man,

1623
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:11,000
like you know, agenda. So but yeah, Choppers Magazine chopper Fest,

1624
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:14,760
and then that one is currently called Virginia City Roundup,

1625
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:19,399
but we'll probably just change it to the Choppers mag Takeovers.

1626
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,640
So we got three channels, but yeah.

1627
01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah man.

1628
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,520
Speaker 3: And so if you're listening, make sure you subscribe to

1629
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,560
Choppers Magazine. Support independent media, especially independent media that supports

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stuff that you love, and you know, have the magazine

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in your hand. It's good to have kick around your house,

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put on your put it on your coffee table, pick

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it up and look at it. It's beautiful to look

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at It looks way better in a magazine than it

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does on a little screen, on a tablet or on

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a phone. Not to say don't get it digital if

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you don't want to get the hard coffee. But I'm

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saying it's way better to hold a full sized thing

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than it is to look at it on a little

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even if your big iPhone or your big whatever phone,

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like you know, it's always better to hold a magazine.

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But I'll have all those I'll have all those links

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in the show notes. So if you're driving or riding

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right now, you don't gotta pull over and try and

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write it down. You guys, already most of the people

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listening to this already no Choppers magazine anyway. So but

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you know what I mean, it's good to put your

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face to it and people get to know you a

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little bit better and everything. Carrie, I appreciate you coming on.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna shut this off, but I'm not

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hanging up, So just hold on one second, all right,

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another one in the books. Want to thank you for

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listening all the way to the end. And you know,

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if you're rocking with this, come into the back channel.

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That's where we take the gloves off and a little more.

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The big truth back channel where the podcast and redacted

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stories are continued. You know where to find it. Patreon

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dot com, Sash Big Truth, go to Big Truth podcast

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dot com. Hit the store link if you want to

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rep with some shop swag, I mean some podcast swag.

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We got a bunch of stuff over there and we're

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keeping it moving. I got more coming up. This is

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gonna be a huge year, so thanks for sticking around

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and rocking with us, keeping locked