Speaker 1: Pay Piggy, Pay Piggy.
Speaker 2: Don't make me go back to that ninety five wagecock.
There's no way to be alive.
Speaker 3: Don't make me go.
Speaker 1: Back to ninety five.
Speaker 2: Wageock.
Speaker 1: Need's no way to be alive.
Speaker 4: Boot pay Biggy, that pay Biggy.
Speaker 5: Just give me one more super Chance, Pay Piggy, just
give me one more began pay Piggy, just give me
one boom.
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had the baby she went for such she won good cheek,
gotta lay down on my bands on the lembo because
she don't like my brother. No, she got a diamond
grip and a baby teeth.
Speaker 7: Coolest kid in nursery.
Speaker 2: But you know I'm not a matter red.
Speaker 6: Yell list and not the year list. I float with
the transcendental argam reading Viggenstein, investigate my girl philosophically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 8: I just want the money.
Speaker 1: Just give me one more, chetig, just give me one
more super JEMs.
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Speaker 2: Hey Biggy, Yeah, just give me one.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 10: It up sipping for you, girl. I want my heart
once you win my work. I see you in the
souper chet. I see you want to go from me.
I see you want the only fens and you my
heart in your hand. Please don't crush your girl. I
understand that I'm a sim but I'm proud. I'm a geek,
but I'm proud and I want to feel your breath
at a convention.
Speaker 8: I want my picture.
Speaker 10: You grow up in my ass to be on social media.
I want my friends to see it on this discord. I'm
gonna upload it to myself bread.
Speaker 2: And they all gonna see it.
Speaker 10: My friends, they're gonna like it, they're gonna retweet it.
But I been that it's gonna be the greatest moment
of my lap and I want.
Speaker 11: You to be a part of a girl.
Speaker 10: Ya.
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Speaker 2: Waite Shuckage, No way to be alive. Don't make me
go to ninety Waite shuckage, No way.
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just give me want boy.
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Speaker 2: Quasi mono.
Speaker 15: I got a natural flesh patch right there for my
mole bone. I live a life CROs in modo. My
bitches be calling me master mode. You don't even understand
this fload over float over. When I get older, will
I still have an ft shoulder? Quasi modo. High school
kids made your fun of me. You call me played
over on this back part right here, just as part
as flat. Quasi modo. I'm up in my um puss
you it's very up drinker.
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was stink on it.
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Speaker 16: Who You don't even know what it's like with a
little bitty friend on your back like this ragion.
Speaker 2: I got a little brother on my shoulder. Quasi moldo.
Speaker 18: I just smile a weird modified lambo who.
Speaker 16: So that I can drive in a weird way inside
of modified lamboo?
Speaker 15: Whoa?
Speaker 16: You don't even understand my my floor though. But this
was very helpful for a month therapy.
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together that begins with you. But where it begins with you,
not you.
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your name. I want to see you'll ask the mores. Yeah,
I'm talking to you. Get more hose, gimp p gimbo, botes,
gimble leeve. I want to see the CEOs did coope
ruin those slides in one hundred and forty one b.
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name of the day.
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Speaker 2: I want to see the banker.
Speaker 1: On the floor.
Speaker 12: I want to see your ass poor.
Speaker 2: Make a clap, make a fat clap.
Speaker 6: That loose reading.
Speaker 2: I'm an chance.
Speaker 1: Bankers get on the floor.
Speaker 12: Bankers, people, boks, bankers. You're gonna pay, Baker, you're gonna pay,
make you read a book together, such a medal class.
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Speaker 19: Jamie, could you make me I express? So okay, we're
gonna open it up. Let's keep it on topic one
plus one plus one equal.
Speaker 8: Free icons are idolatry jay j.
Speaker 19: But Jay, can I talk?
Speaker 2: But it wasn't?
Speaker 8: Next Cathedra.
Speaker 20: If God is real white?
Speaker 9: Does he allow evil?
Speaker 8: Why do you pray to dead people? Traditions of my
It's a no brainer.
Speaker 19: You're such a tyrannical rainer.
Speaker 20: Is this your first time on thean or well?
Speaker 8: I need a jo?
Speaker 1: Can't take these loads her slow boys?
Speaker 8: Is this your first time on the or wesh?
Speaker 1: You need changer, sue?
Speaker 8: Was that an uncreative foot part?
Speaker 2: A mute dude?
Speaker 8: Stop repeating my name?
Speaker 13: Dude?
Speaker 19: You Goober's callin or I'll boot you. Where did we
get the Bible from? Have you read the cannons of Franzia?
Speaker 12: What are you Catholic?
Speaker 2: Or are you presidents? I'm not trying to be mean,
but do you have an actual argument. There is only
one church. You're in a cult? Oh goblin, a demon,
a boomer chol question.
Speaker 8: Do we have any diddyback venerators in the chat? Your
first time on being?
Speaker 1: Or chance? Take it?
Speaker 3: These loads?
Speaker 1: You're slow boys? Are you? Is this your first time
on being?
Speaker 8: If you're a wine on front of the line, mute dude.
Speaker 2: Just a little reminder, just a little bit of reminder,
because uh, before there was Righteous Gemstones, there was Pastor
Randy Balls. Hi yoo, you're all ready for a little
bit of Randy Balls. A little refresher perfectly fits the
vibe the mood of today's discussion about mega churches that
you'll notice nobody mentioned, nor did I include in the
description America's greatest megachurch pastor Pastor Randy Bows? Are you
not getting spirits the fare where you are?
Speaker 11: We come on down the circus of power megamega church.
Speaker 3: But fail.
Speaker 2: This is Pastor rand the bow, the bow. It's my
honor to y'all.
Speaker 14: Don't joke, get it, yeah, don't joke, get it in charge.
Speaker 2: It's ah hh versus b J.
Speaker 8: There's all kind.
Speaker 21: Hey, y'all the best.
Speaker 1: Happy time out here.
Speaker 11: At Arcade Church.
Speaker 20: This is my church.
Speaker 1: Past around your dimes.
Speaker 9: Who something out healing?
Speaker 2: It's okay, we're all wedding about what you're wedding because
I do that to start.
Speaker 1: How are you telling me? Fine?
Speaker 22: We got shot at Circus of Palace.
Speaker 2: We got our own in house version of Dick Sar.
Speaker 3: We got a version of everything out there in the
world for you and your family.
Speaker 2: Look at these guys, they're so cool in my book.
Speaker 9: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 11: Not into that at kids stuck, don't worry. We got
a whole ministry just for teens, especially teens dealing with addiction.
I call it teen Steam. If you're dealing with spandex
back or short addictions, don't worry. We got a whole
dance troop to help you out.
Speaker 2: Not only that, our church is the only one that
Track County Area with.
Speaker 11: A Blackbuster attached to the sanctuary. Let's go rid a
flag baby.
Speaker 3: Not enough ministry for you.
Speaker 2: We've also got a ministry to hoboes.
Speaker 11: Not just hoboes, but we use mimes and dogs to
counsel gangs altogether.
Speaker 2: We recruit the hoboes. Let's not only do we cassa
Randy Balls rehab rehabilitates wolves and makes them docile.
Speaker 11: Each family skills like access and dark web, but also
old people had to distinguish between.
Speaker 12: A mounts and a bussa.
Speaker 1: Shot.
Speaker 11: We're also the only church to try count area with
the theme park based around Michael Jackson's Never Never Lands.
Like typical service, Why just gave you the church into
the pool. We've got a water sline that takes you
directly from the sactionar. We're to the phil Pool out.
Speaker 2: Back, Phil Pool, out back down Son. Where's this church at?
I'm up for goat, I'm not even done. We also
have a puppet ministry. They got a fake ve details
it wraps you like them cool beats?
Speaker 12: I know I do.
Speaker 11: On top of that, we got a flying Howie Mandel
as well as a punch of goop.
Speaker 2: Look at all that good man take me crazy.
Speaker 11: Every sermon is a monster drug relant, and not only
preach every sermon inside of soul prussure.
Speaker 2: This was years before Righteous Jemstones, by the way, I
had to admit, and how could we have ever guessed
that this would be prophetic? Because the mega church Men's
ministry thing is back this year. If you all remember
last year they had monster truck rally and male pole dancers. Yes,
you heard me correctly. They even outdid Pastor Randy Balls.
You heard me correctly, male pole dancers. Okay at a
masculinity event. What yes, even Pastor Randy Balls now looks
like a far right neo tiny mustache man compared to
the what's it called Riverside minute. I will have to
find the clip because this year I think that they
had so much of a fuss over the male pole dancers. Yes,
you heard me right, the male pole dancers, that they
got rid of that. Oh man, I hope I saved
that into my bookmarks. Let's see if I saved it.
By the way we got we got Oh yeah, I
saved everything good over here? Okay, we got novus ordo
priests that are rappers. Look at that? Is that Michael
Wafton or is that a Novasto priest? I can't tell.
We'll find out in a second. Yes, I saved Pastor
sweaty black man over here talking about you best give
me a photo thousand dollars so you ain't double getting nobody.
Hell m. But the real question is where did I save? Oh? Here,
it is here. It does Look at this, this is
this is this year's Randy Balls, Randy Balls's competition. Okay,
by the way, I should be a writer on Righteous
Gemstones after my creation of Randy Ball. Randy Balls should
be in season five of Righteous Gemstones. Y'all start messaging
those producers at HBO what to tell Danny McBride. Yo,
you had your boy over here as a competitor pastor
years before there was a Righteous Jumpstones. By the way, right,
Randy Balls will be a perfect character for Righteous Gemstones.
But now you can't even tell the difference between Righteous
Gemstones and the actual evangelical things because look at this,
this is this is actually the toned down thing that
they had last year. Louis Louis Jigglow. They had a
male pole dancer last year. This year they got a
guy named Louis Jigglow. Chad Veach, look at that soy face?
Speaker 15: What the hell?
Speaker 2: And then token black dude, Earl McClelland what the hell
is this? What the hell is even that?
Speaker 13: Bro?
Speaker 2: Come on, come on now, these are the people that
got fired from Randy Balls the church for being too liberal,
and they went and they created this thing. But you
know what's funny about it? If you notice all the
stuff that's the men's stuff. It's all external Americanist trappings
of what masculinity is. It's all bullshit, right, just stupid
shit like Monster Truck who Monster Books are masculine? Dude alone,
now will I will admit that UFC is masculine. It
can also be a little a little skittles too, a
praise and worship, faking gray super faking gay BMX biking
is this nineteen ninety eight?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 2: Who does people?
Speaker 7: Does?
Speaker 2: Does people? Still does this? I don't even know? Paige
and Sean White? And then we got no, it's not
even UFC, it's just boxing. Okay, well, YouTube creators box,
So I don't even know if that's that masculine anymore.
I'm trying to box somebody, though, I know that much.
I'm ready to box. And then we got the Halo.
What the hell does Halo got to do with this?
The Halo dude shows up? What the hell is this?
Chad Beach more like Chad VI, Chad Yetch, Louis Jiggelow
and token black dude. What's sudden? What's up?
Speaker 10: Y'all?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: They got entertainment Hold up, you mean I get all
of that masculinity it's getting hot up in here for
the price of the entry fee, and I get American gladiators.
Hold up, yes, you get actual American gladiators for the
price of admission. Whoa that didn't even look like American gladiators.
Aough like some kind of lame ass. You know what
you call that? Zip line? Zip line? What zip line? No, dude,
give me, give me mister Ice and mister Freeze. And
I don't know who were the American Gladiators. I've eady
forgotten them. Give me them buff chicks and that one
big old buff black dude that's gonna hit me with
a big giant Q tip. That's what I want for
the price of admission. American Ninja Warrior. That was the
ripoff of American Gladiator. That was like a later instantiation.
Now we're going to open it up here in a
second before we get two my mega church BFFs. I'm
talking about my boy Joel Austin. I'm talking about my boy,
my girl Paula p Paula w p W, Paula White.
I'm talking about my boy BG Billy Graham, the O
G the Old Graham, Old Graham Cracker, Billy Old Graham Cracker,
the o g I'm talking about uh can he c
Kenny Copeland. I'm talking about who else is amongst this cadre,
this cavalcade of khn men. I've already forgotten Benny Hen
my boy bh right, not Bhi, not black you risalite
my boy bh Benny Hen, I got my boy? Who
else is on this list?
Speaker 14: Here?
Speaker 2: I got my little We got a few shorties in
the house. We got some hotties about to make it
to the potties tonight. I'm talking about Gwyn Shambling. Okay,
I'm talking about hotties. I'm talking about players like kruflow Dollar.
I'm talking about big boys like John Hagy. We might
even throw in a little bit of more Mork Driscoll,
Marcus Driscoll. We're talking about Ted Haggard up here right,
Gay meth Man from the Haggard family, Chase Tristan, Ted Haggard.
We're talking about we've got any more hotties, anymore shorties
amongst the We got players like TD Jakes, You boy,
td std Jakes. We got your boy std Jakes in
the house. Woman thou Art loose. All right, that's woman,
thou art loose. That's what it's That's what it's all about.
It the td Jake's church woman thou Art loose, get it,
pastor std jakes. Come on now, I'm on a roll today.
We've already got them two hundred dollars rolling in. I
am on a roll. Uh leave your seat offerings today, friends,
And if you donate one hundred dollars in super chats,
you will get one zillion dollars in bitcoins and God
blessed return. Oh we got them all today. Now I
want you all to remind me if I forget anybody.
We've even got them old school Hippie bow Hippie Bros
in the house, Lonnie Frisbee, remember Linnie Frisbee, Calvany Chapel
and the Prophetic Revival, the Vineyard. We got it all today, son.
But before we do that, I got to remind you
Randy Balls did make a return, but not a lot
of people were that into it, except on Twitter. I
got a lot of views on Twitter. But just real quick,
you need to be reminded that Randy Balls didn't make
a return. If you missed it, because it's just appropriate
for today.
Speaker 23: Mo old mega church crap. You seeking tired of monster
truck rallies at your service?
Speaker 2: We had that in two thousand eight.
Speaker 13: This is old school.
Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty four. It's time for the future.
Speaker 8: So in church with a little more age.
Speaker 11: Hey, that's right, We've hired a whole troop of dang
golf teams to come down and be part of our church.
Speaker 2: I don't bring it the other teams.
Speaker 4: Like it's nine team, not to nest in here.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 23: Hey, look, guys, I know a lot of y'all are
a little worried since I had to do so many
sermons after my paralyzation.
Speaker 24: Accident from zoom from my cell.
Speaker 12: Don't why I'm gonna be out of this Cayman Islands high.
Speaker 2: Security prison very soon because I was not doing nothing,
wouldn't He was not doing nothing with no hookers, he promises,
even though he got busted in the Cayman Islands and
thrown into a supermax. But look, word is Randy Balls
is doing okay and he's ready to return to his ministry,
which will be mostly through Zoom and TV broadcasts.
Speaker 1: Oh no, this is nothing.
Speaker 2: Don't worry.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna be back and there's gonna be charged.
Speaker 12: Listen.
Speaker 24: It ain't help, It ain't help the devil know wise
whatsoever to help shut down our ministries. We got our
End Times Underground Basic still being built. We got our
new LGDTVQ plus worship team, we got our new luxury
car lot, we got our new fake Disney World. We've
even got bullying ministry as well as my Christian nuclear
energy facility.
Speaker 2: Being set up.
Speaker 11: And don't forget the Flying Kid due to all the
converts from only fans to my big, mega, mega mega church.
Speaker 2: By the way, the Flying Kid. It's funny because when
I made the skit last year, it wasn't too long
after this that that one giant megachurch had the people
flying in And you can tell that influence this season
of Righteous Gemstones because they added that too. Oh what
was that called? You know, y'all know what I'm talking
about where they had that megachurch where people were like
flying in on It was like even Santa, wasn't it megachurch?
Santa flies in y'all know what I'm talking about, right,
I'll never find it, but no here it is, no
here it is. Look this, I think whatever Randy Balls
does look at that they go damn circus performers flying in.
They got damn Peppermint Patty flying in. Look. Anytime Randy
Balls says something, the megachurches do it. It's like a
damn prophecy. Bro. What's up? Thank you for being so
generous today with your seed blessings.
Speaker 23: I've got a found a jump for all these lovely ladies. Well,
guess what they're gonna read and talk to you by
the Internet. Why if you sign up, they read the Solace.
Speaker 2: Home to you for friends with I thought this was
a pretty funny idea, like the only fans girls that
are quote converting like Nala, right, and so Randy Balls
puts them to work. But you get to call in
and they'll read the song songs to you. Come on, now,
that's freaking funny. Tell me that ain't damn funny. Come on.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 2: You wonder how I got to be writing for Sam Hyde, Well,
because I know what the hell I'm doing. Now, when
the hell are we gonna make some skits? Does this
not demonstrate it's premiere skit making potentialities and abilities? I
mean I was watching some of Ky Mooney's old skits
on his channel, and I mean, he's great, it's it's
good stuff. But almost this is this is up there,
This is competing. This is on the level of the
stuff that cal Mooney has made back in the day.
Thirty five minutes then comes diving of there.
Speaker 15: I guess what.
Speaker 14: You don't even gotta wear a shirt no more to
cool surf gus service church is coolest. Hey, look, man,
don't worry if you missed cool guy church service for surfers,
because you can always wait about.
Speaker 2: Thirty minutes in conco steampunk church if a robot name,
what's going on on?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 2: I like the idea that Randy Balls doesn't really even
know what steampunk is and it's not even that important
or popular. But orthodoxy is the old school megachurch. Oh,
come on, that's one of the stupidest statements I've ever
seen on the internet. You though that would be still cool?
Speaker 5: Heck no, If you want real church, if you'll lack
the rest options, all you gotta do is come to
slow at europe Engineering Squad.
Speaker 2: I don't even know why I blurred the face, so
I just thought it'd be funny to add the blur
in for like no reason at all. Like there was
something scandalous going on my god ft Sea church.
Speaker 11: Once I got four thirds in my body damaged and parallax,
I was still able to preach half the sermons like
this from the hospital.
Speaker 1: Bed On.
Speaker 2: Cameos Sam Hadio, CAMEO Hyde. It doesn't in there. Oh wait,
I did include it in the Randy balls. Some people
flying around like like righteous jempsones preachers that fly. Look
at that dude, he just slowed down on that. Basically
a miracle.
Speaker 5: Charge.
Speaker 2: You thought you needed a good.
Speaker 11: Soul and soul preacher, Well I got a soul preacher
that flies like your soul.
Speaker 2: I forgot there was a black preacher that was flying
around his congregation. This is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Come on down the.
Speaker 23: Circus of power Mega meg a church where the black
preachers fly. Like I said, there's gonna be my own
nuclear facility. That's right, it's a specific.
Speaker 2: I couldn't think of anywhere else that Randy could branch
off into business, right, so I thought, maybe he gets
into nuclear energy in the Middle East.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: That sounds like that sounds like some kind of venture
he would get involved in with, like I don't know
the idef or something, right, clear Christian Nuclear facility.
Speaker 23: Look at these cool guys they're playing in the band
at the new facilities.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great.
Speaker 23: It's a specifically new project that I've put together with
John Hagey and together with Cornerstone Church.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to the Middle East.
Speaker 12: And take a light a whole.
Speaker 23: It don't gotta make no sense, but it's gonna be great. Well,
we'll be sure to clean up ourm Lso I promise,
just come to church.
Speaker 2: Like those royalty free house vibes that we got going
there in the background. Up Brandy's megachurch church Mega excuse me,
mega megachurch, because it's not a megachurch. It's a mega megachurch.
It's like a meta level above megachurch for those that
don't know. All right now, y'all have already been completely generous.
I've got enough money right now that the whole Seed
Blessing Ministry could just retire for the day. Oh my goodness,
oh my goodness, We've already made today's offering, friends, But
I'm going to keep going because I love you son,
I love your son, I love your daughters, I love
all y'all my Children's just come to my private trailer
out back where I get them, where I get my
makeup put on my private makeup trailer. Especially, all you
ladies come on out back and let me give you
some private ministries. Now you think I'm joking, but you're
gonna notice there seems to be a pattern when it
comes to a lot of megachurch ministries. We'll get into
that in a moment. However, as I understand that we
have a couple of people who would like to come
to debate today, I see Aaron in the chat. I'm
gonna give Aaron Butler the first this opportunity because he
requested first, so he can come speak, and then anybody
else is allowed to open it up with your topic
and bring the heat. Aaron, are you there? I've been
sending you the link.
Speaker 13: Dog.
Speaker 2: Don't tell me you're gonna run away now. You said
you were coming. Where you at?
Speaker 1: Dog?
Speaker 2: Aaron? What's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I see you in the chat. You're there. What's up? Aeron?
You said we're bootlookers. Let's do it. Let's let's have
this discussion. Aaron is an independent researcher. I'm being nice,
not mean.
Speaker 13: Hell.
Speaker 8: Hello, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sir, what's up, dude?
Speaker 8: Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 20: So, so there was a couple comments that I had made,
and it was just like you know, in general to
some some of the people in your comments, and then
there was a couple to you.
Speaker 8: What what specifically were you trying to debate?
Speaker 2: Uh, well, you said that we're boot liquors or something
to that effect.
Speaker 20: So I mean, you tell me, well, it's essentially it's
like I think, I think what I said to you
directly was like, you know, most Christians, like all they
do is sit here and argue about anything, all this
scripture and all these you debate all these different religions,
but you don't really talk about like practical information or morality,
which is like the foundation.
Speaker 8: Of like many of these religious religions.
Speaker 20: You know, Like I don't I don't hear any of
you debaters or anyone out here talking about like you know,
moral objective morality, like trying to teach people like practical information.
Speaker 8: It's mostly just like scriptural debates. So that's that's what
I was kind of saying.
Speaker 2: But I mean, our morals are based on the scriptural text,
so well.
Speaker 20: Right, right, But but that's like for you, like I'm
saying like that's kind of subjective because you're basing them
off of like a written text by written by other people.
Speaker 2: And yeah, would be would be objective not subjective.
Speaker 8: Okay, So.
Speaker 20: Essentially what you're saying is that you you believe it,
like like you can't put it in your own words,
is what I'm saying, Like, can you say say these
things objectively?
Speaker 4: Like what morals are?
Speaker 8: Like what rights are?
Speaker 2: Have you never listened to anything that I do or
talked about that? Are you completely well?
Speaker 20: Actually, it just seems like you argue a bunch of
people about different religions, but you don't actually talk about
like what the morals are you're speaking of, like what
the wrong behavior? Like like it guess like this, if
I could sum it up, it would be like you
say you're Orthodox, but like I don't see how that
translates into like advice for other people, Like okay, like
you know if.
Speaker 8: You if Orthodox? You know, because I heard that you
say one time you're a monarchist? Is that correct?
Speaker 20: Like you believe like you know, so you believe in
the legitimacy of like a government, except it's ruled by
like a king or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that that's the right or the best
form of government.
Speaker 20: Right, right, So you believe that like a king should
tell everyone else what to do, like just like Boston around,
Like how how Christ was crucified.
Speaker 2: By like around? That's arbitrary, correct, So that's not.
Speaker 8: An objective morality.
Speaker 20: It's not objectively true that that a king has the
right to murder other people.
Speaker 2: Have you ever listened to any of my debates?
Speaker 8: Well, I've listened. Like I said, I can't like nothing.
Speaker 2: What you're all.
Speaker 20: You're what you're saying is subjective and it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Like you are, So you haven't because I literally I
was joking about the king being arbitrary. Obviously a king
can't just be arbitrary.
Speaker 8: I would say, well, it is by nature arbitrary.
Speaker 2: Have no idea what you're talking about. And you've not
listened to any debates because I always argue for objective
morality versus relativism.
Speaker 20: Yes, Jay, you say objective morality, but what you preach
and you contradict yourself.
Speaker 2: Okay, where where's the contradiction?
Speaker 20: So you say that morals are objective, but then you
say that a government has the right to tell other
people and murder them and dictate.
Speaker 8: Law like a god.
Speaker 2: No, the king has limitations, just like the bishop or
the church has limitations. What is that if?
Speaker 8: Okay? And what are those what are those based off of?
What are those limits?
Speaker 2: Divine revelation first and foremost.
Speaker 8: So as long as they say it was divine, you know, revealed.
Speaker 2: Divine saying it, it's a matter of the historical, traditional
and repretation of the text. That's why there's always been
symphonia in the Church and in Christian countries.
Speaker 20: So for the first three hundred years of the Christian Church,
how they just said, you know, you can't be a.
Speaker 8: Christian and murdered everyone and torture them.
Speaker 20: And then all of a sudden they do the script
flip and say, oh, you know, the government changed our mind.
We're wrong, We're going to be Christians now, and then
that's all the end of the story.
Speaker 2: Right, right, So that was before the Christianizing of the
Roman Empire, and after it became Christian, it adopted Christian
principles like you see in Theodosia's the Emperor and what
you see in the in the Code of Justinian.
Speaker 20: Okay, So okay, So what you're saying is that the
Christian or the Roman government. After adopting Christianity, they started,
you know, abiding by Christian law?
Speaker 8: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 20: So is they abide by Christian law like you know?
And forgive me on some of the time the time
scale is.
Speaker 2: Some of this And I'm like, right, so you do
have no knowledge limitation?
Speaker 8: I thought, real quick, just real quick.
Speaker 20: So if we could both like agree like on some
type of Christian principle, it would be like, if you
want other people to treat you a certain way, you
should treat them a certain way, like do unto others
as they would have done to you. I guess that's
kind of a paraphrase. I don't remember the exact versions.
That makes sense, like a reciprocal natural.
Speaker 2: So I'm not trying to be rude to you, but
you are approaching this issue with the level of knowledge
of about a thirteen year old or a fourteen year old.
So how did you think that you would have been
able to debate this? Why did you think you would
be able to delide this?
Speaker 8: No, Jay, you're not yea, what is a right?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 20: You guys don't are you? Guys aren't talking about morality?
You guys are not talking about rights. You call yourselves
all Christians, but you don't say shit when it comes
to like real you know, like morality.
Speaker 2: I mean again, you have not listened to any You've
not listened to any of the debates that I do,
because I bring this up frequently against atheists, against Matt
della Hunty, against any of the Muslims where we get
into more issues. I mean, this has come up countless time,
So you don't have any prior knowledge. I don't guess
of the debates that I've actually done, because you would
know that that comes up all the time. And then
you're saying, but you're just arguing the scriptures. But the
texts of the scriptures are for us an objective historic
revelation which guides our morals. So why is that so
hard to understand?
Speaker 8: Because what you're saying is that you listen, listen.
Speaker 20: You call yourself a Christian, right, but you're not actually
helping teach other people like the things that Christ would teach.
Speaker 2: You have no understand I don't believe that you have
any understanding of any of that or what Christ teaches.
You've demonstrated zero to little understanding of it. Because you're
assuming that it's a lowest common nominator, reduce it to
love your neighbor as yourself. Well, there's a lot more
involved in that. For example, there's principles, indiviond revelation about
the governance of the state, but you don't even seem
to be aware of that.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, my kingdom is not of this world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it entered this world in the First Advent.
So you don't even understand the passages that you're you're
just citing passages like libertarian site with no knowledge of
what those passages are about. The kingdom was set up
in the first Advent if you're read Daniel, so you
don't know what's in the book of Daniel, right. The
most famous prophecies of the Messiah Daniel too. Daniel nine.
It talks about when he comes the kingdom is set up,
and in Daniel two it predicts that the empire under
which he is born will convert and become part of
that Kingdom of the Messiah. That's the Roman Empire. And
guess what, within a few a few hundred years of
his coming, that empire converts and becomes Orthodox Christians.
Speaker 1: So so.
Speaker 8: Your version of Christianity.
Speaker 2: Is that my verse?
Speaker 20: Well, I mean it's it's it's you know, you call
yourself orthodox, you're debating Catholic.
Speaker 2: I call myself that. Do you not? You don't think
that's a real thing. You think something that has made
this up? I mean, what do you mean I call
myself that is that? You don't think that's a thing?
Speaker 8: No, I definitely understand that it's a thing.
Speaker 20: All I'm saying is that it's based off of your
interpretation of this book that can be interpreted that's false.
Speaker 2: So now you've now you've engaged in a fallacy. Because
this is a fallacy. I'm not going to let you
run while with a fallacy. Because people have different interpretations
of stuff. It does not follow from that that no
one has the right interpretation or no one knows the
right interpretation. That'd be like saying, because someone disagrees about
two plus two equally four, no one can know nor
does it equal for do you see how that's a fallacy? Okay,
and do you see how that's a fallacy. Just see,
This is why I don't I interrupt you. People would
agree This is why I interrupt people, because they blow
pastuff when they get called down on fallacies and they
want to just ignore it. You don't get to come
to a debay. Okay, fine, let.
Speaker 8: Me finish that, please, I will. I will agree with
you that just.
Speaker 20: Because everyone has you know, similar, different or differing viewpoints,
that it doesn't mean that you perspective is incorrect.
Speaker 2: I would agree with you than that argument that you
gave it is a element.
Speaker 13: So okay, okay.
Speaker 20: So my argument is that in what I said a
second ago, is that, like you know, it seems to
me that the Christian perspective is that you know, we're
all sovereign individuals.
Speaker 2: No, you're just assuming that Christianity is basic bitch Enlightenment libertarianism,
and it's.
Speaker 8: Not okay, And you're assuming that you have the right
belief because.
Speaker 2: I can demonstrated the dogma, the.
Speaker 20: Tradition, you know, the people in your faith that have
approved certain texts.
Speaker 2: Well, that's not my appeal. I'm appealing to the history
of the Church, the prophetic text and scripture that talk
about the conversion of the Roman Empire. That text in
Daniel refutes the very first argument you made that my
kingdom is not of this world. And you're just saying
that because the state converted to Christianity, that now it's
just arbitrary that the state can do whatever it wants.
I never said the sake could do whatever whatever it wants,
except when I was joking with you that the king
can do whatever he wants. I don't believe that Roman's
thirteen calls the emperor a Dacinos. That's a minister of God.
Do you believe that the state or the minister of
God can have that role.
Speaker 20: I do not believe that the government or any authority
gets to just rule.
Speaker 8: Over people like you.
Speaker 2: CHRISA. Then you don't believe the Bible, so you're not
a Christian. Correct.
Speaker 20: I don't believe shit because people tell me it's true.
Speaker 2: Jay, Well, actually you do, because everybody can be demonstrated
to believe some things on pure authority. You want me
to show you how.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying is that, like, please explain, Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all kinds of things that that all of
us believe purely on the basis of authority. For example,
we don't have the ability all of us to go
and verify every single h scientific claim or every single
journal's claim correct. But many of those things we take
on reasonable authority, okay, sure, okay, So then that nowadays
what you just said, you said you don't believe anything
on pure authority, But I just gave examples of sure we.
Speaker 20: All do, okay, and so as far as evidence, and
you know, just like believing things.
Speaker 8: What it seems that the Orthodox Church does is saying.
Speaker 20: Don't rely on yourself and your experience, which is what
the early Christians were doing and talking about.
Speaker 2: Okay, where do you have that? Where you're getting that from?
Speaker 20: Just just simple understanding of different Like the category of
gnosticism is that they were focusing nostics.
Speaker 2: That's not really Christians.
Speaker 8: See you say heretics.
Speaker 20: Do guess what Christians were heretics before the Roman government
said that they.
Speaker 8: Could It was leaving.
Speaker 2: What makes them heretics is not what the States says.
It's whether they deviate. It does, No, it doesn't, it's
what deviates from Alpas, stop interrupting me. Paul talks about
the Gnostics to the to the the Epistles of Timothy.
The gnostics, he calls them heretics, those who are outside
the communion. He says that those who seek the gnosis
or the knowledge, that's the first reference to the Gnostics
in Paul's letters to Timothy their heretics because they divide
from the Apostolic teaching. It's nothing to do with the state.
At that point, Jay, why are you repeating my name?
You have no knowledge of these topics. You're completely ignorant,
and you're citing novelg It's it's not it's.
Speaker 8: Not true that there were you know all these.
Speaker 2: Dude, all of you have no knowledge of. Why are
you debating a topic you have zero knowledge of. That's
the foolishness on your part. Jay, Why are you repeating I'm.
Speaker 8: Not I'm not a person that is so inculcated.
Speaker 2: You have no but you have no knowledge. You have
zero knowledge of the topic. That's the point.
Speaker 20: I have knowledge that Christians are basically state bootlegers, and
that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Jay, again, I'm giving you how could they be state
bootleckers if for the first three centuries they were persecuted
according to your own testimony.
Speaker 20: Because we all approve of you know, like you cited
rome As thirteen basically because Paul wrote it down and
it's been passed you.
Speaker 2: You didn't even hear what I said, You didn't. You
just contradicted yourself you didn't hear what I said. You
said Christians are boot liquors. I just said for the
first three centuries they were persecuted by the state. According
to your admission, they weren't an Austics by the way,
they were the actual Orthodox Catholic Christians that were persecuted.
So how could they be state bootlookers if they were
persecuted according to your own testimony, not.
Speaker 20: All of the early Christians were Orthodox or cat or Orthodox.
Speaker 2: Well, regardless, the ones that you're talking about were not persecuted.
The ones that were Orthodox Catholics were persecuted.
Speaker 8: Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2: Then that refutes your point. Well, no, we're not boot lickers. Yeah,
you said Christians are boot lickers.
Speaker 20: So someone who believes that one man should be a
king and rule over others, that's not boot licking.
Speaker 2: Have you read the Bible again? Do you know how
many times in the Book of Proverbs it talks about
a righteous king and that God sets the king over
a people, and that Roman Romans thirteen calls the king
a diaconost. Do you know what a diaconos is? It's
a minister. Okay, So you don't and you don't believe that.
So now you're saying, well, Paul wrote that down, So
I don't believe well Paul's writing what was what was
consistent with the prior teaching in proverbs.
Speaker 8: I didn't say that because Paul wrote it that it
was Okay.
Speaker 2: No, you said that. You said that, you said that,
we believe it, just calls Paul wrote it down.
Speaker 20: Okay, you believe it because something must be wrong with
your head.
Speaker 2: I mean literally, dude, you can't even do basic argumentation.
You've already made multiple contradictions. You're the one that has
things wrong with his head. You don't know the basics.
You can't argue, you can't debate, you don't know what
a fallacy is. And you're saying that I've got something
wrong with my head. Dude, you've already been demolished. What
are you talking about.
Speaker 8: You're gonna try to steamroll me with all of your.
Speaker 2: Intellectual Okay, so yeah, so it's just so it's not
an actual fallacy, even though you admitted that you made
a bad argument, and now you're just accusing me of
steam rolling you when you already said you made bad arguments.
Speaker 8: You call yourself a Christian, so now.
Speaker 2: It's those are not homonyms. So those you know what
a no true Scotsman fallacy is? See you keep going on,
do you know what a no true Scotsman fallacy is?
And now you're making it personal debates stuff? Yeah, that's
how you.
Speaker 20: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the only the only way to decide between true
and false positions is the law of laws, of logic
and critical thinking.
Speaker 20: You don't know that, Okay, logic and critical thinking means
that you are you are consistent, You're not contradicting yourself. However,
you you profess like like you know, do the law
and the profits right doing to others as you would
have known it to you.
Speaker 2: However, chance you know, you can't even you can't even
put your sentences together. Man, You're an embarrassment. This is
what you get with libertarians. I'm glad that you came
Thank you. I'm not taking orthodox requests today. I'm taking
people who disagree. That was literally one of the stupidest
debates I've ever read. There you go with libertarianism. I'm
glad that libertarian actually came on, though I don't know
who was worse his position and or not so erudite
and by the way, Notzsa aeradite. Is gonna come on
to debate. That's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 8: How's it going, Jay?
Speaker 2: Good? If you're here to ask me, are you the
guy that's going to ask about Job's witnesses we're not
talking about. Do you see that in the discussion today?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll just leave then, I mean, what do
you mean?
Speaker 2: What the hell? Why do you keep asking me about this?
I've given you multiple links about Jeb's witnesses, So what
do you mean what that?
Speaker 24: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, this is this is something different.
Speaker 25: I want to argue as a Jehovah's witness, the Jehovah's witness,
because I would love to see it defeated.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I gave you the links to that. It's not the
discussion today.
Speaker 4: What where did you give me these links?
Speaker 2: Publicly? On Twitter? I said, here, check this.
Speaker 8: Out, all right?
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't see these. They're not in my
notifications or anything.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, my bad, dude. I wanted to
see this.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 25: Okay, So I know the burden of proof rests upon
me to say this, and as I would just like
to say, I'm a niceen Christian.
Speaker 4: These are not my actual beliefs or anything, but.
Speaker 25: The position would be that many of the proof texts
used to grant Jesus divinity are actually misinterpreted.
Speaker 2: And I give you multiple links to multiple lectures and
talks about the Old Testament, Theophanes, and even the New
World Translations still includes references to the Theophanes, to Yahweh,
and to the Angel of the Lord. So I'm sorry
that you missed those links, but I gave you all
those I'm not going to be read too. It's just
like every time I do the live streams and I
say what the topics are, and you guys come on
not about the topics.
Speaker 4: So are you not Evangelicalism or Protestantism.
Speaker 2: Joe's Witnesses are not Evangelicals, nor are they Protestants.
Speaker 4: I mean they're not Christians to begin with with you exactly.
Speaker 2: So if it was a day for cults and sex,
then it would have been fine. And I'm not trying
to be rude to you and don't play the victim,
because I've replied to you and been friendly to you
in every exchange that we've had. It's just annoying to
me when people come on and it's not the topic.
Speaker 4: I don't know why people do that, Like, I'm literally
looking at my mentions. It's not anywhere in here.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, maybe there's a there was another, dude, perhaps,
where I linked the three hour talk about Jesus and
the Trinity in the Old Testament, I linked another talk
where I go through the entire Torah on references to
the triad and to the deed of Christ and the
Old Testament. So let me restate that there are dozens
of references to the Angel of the Lord in the
Old Testament, being the manifestation of Yahweh, the Angel of Yahweh,
the Son of Yahweh, the glory of Yahweh, on and
on and on the face of Yahweh distinguished from Yahweh.
So that right there is enough to disprove all of
Joe's witness stuff.
Speaker 4: Hey, hey, I agree with you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But okay, so again, to go to those references, which
are also in the New World Translation, is enough to
refute Joe's witnesses.
Speaker 25: Okay, I mean I thought you were gonna, like, let
me give the like argument or whatever, But I mean,
I agree with you.
Speaker 8: That that does refute it.
Speaker 2: But okay, go ahead.
Speaker 25: I mean, okay, So the argument would be that the
Angel of the Lord right is not the same as God,
even though it is called Yahweh, it's a messenger of Yahweh.
Speaker 4: Sometimes messengers are called by the name of the King.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, the Muslim argument again, man, we
address this like probably fifty times. I'm not trying to
be read to you, man, but like, just go watch
the DNA lectures that I told you to watch. Mikey.
What's up, Mikey.
Speaker 13: I'm mute, ad. I just have like a couple of questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 13: I'm Christian, but these are just like things that haven't
causing me dunce.
Speaker 20: I guess.
Speaker 13: I guess the first one would be, like, uh, fossils
that are that to do with evolution?
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know what's wrong with you people today.
What do you see the title? I mean, this is
just ridiculous. I think that people are trolling me, like
it's gotta be what's going on? If I specify it's
the Open Atheist Evolution Debate Day, then it's open Evolution
Debate Day. It's giant bold text listed as to what
we're discussing today. Oh my gosh, it drives me crazy
when this happens like people, and I know they're doing
this probably just to troll me now because I know
it's annoying. And then then every is gonna whine and
bitch that I mean, I'm not mean. It's specified as
to what we're talking about today. It is not cult day,
it's not Mormon day. It literally says evangelical, Catholic orthodox.
That's it. In every topic that these people ask the
one hundredth time about, it's already been dealt with like
a hundred times on my channel. Man, please do not
ask me about PSA one more freaking PSA question, and
I'm gonna lose my mind when I've made how many
live streams and videos about PSA and Calvinism and predestination.
It's just like, dude, I can't answer the question for
the fiftieth thousandth time. It just drives me crazy. And
why does nobody just go look up the video like
it's right here, look Trinity and know that dumb Joba's
witness argument doesn't work. To say it's the Mormon argument,
I mean, it's the Muslim argument. Well, it's a messenger. No,
the Angel is worshiped and identified. It's not just a
messenger we that represents it. He receives worship. Angels can't
be worshiped. Scripture says that six years ago is Jesus God.
The Trinity is God at Trinity response to critics right there, Okay,
Trinity in the Old Testament right here. It's not just
a matter of is this being called Angel of the Lord? Okay.
Leviticus nine has the glory of God manifesting in time
and space. God's glory is not a creature. God does
not give his glory to another. Right. Angels can't pardon
your sin Genesis forty nine. The Angel pardons and redeems
Exodus three Exous twenty three. The Angel the Lord has
the name of Yahweh in him and can pardon or
not pardon sins. So it's not just a created angelic messenger.
And it's a argument that we've rebutted about one hundred
times from one hundred Muslims and one hundred different anti
Trinitarian idiots. And that's why I make the lectures so
that you can go watch them. And I did literally
unless there was another there might have been a different
dude asking the same question, which is possible. But I
did link this talk and the turn of the Old
Testament talks. So guys, I make these talks so that
you can go do it so that I don't have
to answer this argument for one hundred times in a
row or PSA one hundred times. I'm done. I'm done
answering PSA questions like how many times does it have
to be done? Is everybody just so lazy they can't
go look it up? Like there's a million videos of this? Jesse, Hey,
what's so?
Speaker 1: Jake?
Speaker 2: Hey, hey man, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 12: Hopefully this is on topic?
Speaker 8: What are your thoughts on like the whole speaking in
tongue you want to keep working? Yeah, speaking in tongues
like in evangelicalism.
Speaker 2: No, it's obviously we've addressed that probably fifty times. It's
tongues or languages not gibberish.
Speaker 15: Okay.
Speaker 26: And then does the Orthodox Uh do they deny that,
like any of that action is like actually of God,
I'm assuming they do.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, That's that's an action of the spirit of retardation
for sure.
Speaker 12: For sure, So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 8: Maybe you don't have to answer this because I don't
need you to defend it, but with Catholics saying that
there's like.
Speaker 20: Attestations within the history of like Roman Catholics speaking.
Speaker 2: In tongues and all that nonsense. Again in the Book
of Acts and Acts two, this is a miracle where
people are hearing the Gospel in their native tongue and
the apostle are speaking their language. There's nothing at all
to do with gibberish and acting like an idiot. There's
nothing to do with holy laughter and rolling around like
all the charismatics too. It's literally a gift of languages.
That is the reversal of Babel. And that's why it
Acts two. It's a fulfillment of what's in the Book
of Isaiah. So Isaiah has a prophecy that the Jews
will hear at this pouring out of the spirit the
message of the Gospel Acts. This is Isaiah twenty eight
and twenty nine, and particularly twenty nine. You have this
prophecy that when the Messiah comes, there will be this manifestation.
Literally nothing to do with gibberish. Nothing. And by the way,
the Church already condemned charismaticism and pentecostalism when it condemned Montanism.
Speaker 8: Break that down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the second century heresy of charismaticism.
Speaker 13: Hell yeah, appreciate that, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Isaiah twenty nine, and it's a little different
between I think this is the same in the Masoretic
texts versus the Orthodox study Bible. But there's a prediction
of the apostles speaking in a in a miraculous way,
and then the Jews do not hear it. They harden
their hearts and they fall back and stumble. So that's
again something. No one references this in regard to Pentecost,
even though it's obviously talking about Pentecost, because people are
just ignorant of the text. They don't know what these
texts are about. Garrison, go ahead, my gosh, go ahead, men,
what's up? I'm mute? What's on your mind?
Speaker 27: My name is with us on?
Speaker 7: What is.
Speaker 6: My name is?
Speaker 1: Mud?
Speaker 2: Get out of here, Garrison. M okay, it's Isaiah twenty eight, ten,
and eleven. Are you there? No, you're cutting out, that's
what you said. Go getting their cell tower and fry brain.
What's up? Fabi, Jean, I'm just joking.
Speaker 7: Yeah, hey, hey, j you do you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So I'm a Roman Catholic and I attended Orthodox Divine
Liturgy today.
Speaker 13: For the first time.
Speaker 2: Well that what's on your mind, and I just want.
Speaker 7: To share like my thoughts about it. Like I was
so in a doubt for really a long time. I
mean I was like convinced about orthodox yourself. But I
know that you guys have like that you don't believe that.
It's that if I have to be saved, I have
to be in an Orthodox church, right, So I thought
that I have to like I can practice Catholicism or
so and like gone that it will be enough. But yeah,
it got to the point where like I couldn't do
it anymore. Man, And I have to say like thank
you to you because you you want to beware like
first person who introduced me to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 2: So really I appreciate that. Well thanks man, I appreciate that.
I appreciate your kind words. And I'm glad you checked
out your first liturgy. And you know that's what we
always tell people, is like you got to go, you know,
check it out. You can't just think about it in
like an academic way.
Speaker 9: Glove, Hey Jake here you okay, uh, yeah, I'm Orthodox
and I obviously believe the Angel of the Lord is
Jesus himself.
Speaker 28: But I'm sure you've seen that Roan Cathleys have responded
to your objections, and I wonder how you would respond
to the argument that the angel the Lord. People bowed
down to it, because it's like, you know, I saw
Wagner make that argument that.
Speaker 2: The use this identifies himself as that being. This is
so stupid. Has no one read John five to nine?
Who who is Moses eating with? Is God himself?
Speaker 8: I mean, I understand that it's God himself.
Speaker 13: I'm just asking how does.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by God himself? Didn't the Father eats.
Speaker 8: No, I'm not saying it's so when.
Speaker 2: Jesus said, when Jesus says that Abraham believed in him,
and when Jesus talks about being face to face with Moses.
According to Paul and sewo Corinthians three, if no one
sees the father who is Abraham or Moses eating with,
it is the son who is Jacob wrestling with according
to Jesus and John one the son. Okay, So I
mean that alone shows that these Roman Cawtholics are stupid. Yeah,
I agree, Yeah, okay? Does the angel have ability to
remit sins? No, okay. So Genesis forty nine, the Angel
Lord redeems Exodus three excess twenty three, he forgives sins.
So the Angel Lord is not an angel. Yep, yeah,
I agree with that to you yet, okay, so how
does how does anything that these idiots are saying refute that?
Speaker 28: No, I'm I understanding that's the argument that they had
come up.
Speaker 2: It's a dumb arm I also don't buy that argument.
Speaker 8: I think it's also.
Speaker 13: Pretty dumb too.
Speaker 2: Leviticus nine, you have the glory of the Lord. Let's
just set aside Angel the Lord for a minute. The
glory of the Lord manifest to all of Israel is
God's glory a creature?
Speaker 1: Uh No?
Speaker 2: Right, So there's no way for any Roman Catholic to
make the glory cloud in Leviticus nine a created thing,
because that then God is saying that we can worship
and call his glory a creature.
Speaker 12: Yep.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'd agree with those arguments. Yet, thanks you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, I asked him to come
debate and he said no, he said, just make a
video respond to me. They don't want to be pressed
on these issues because guess what, they don't know the scriptures.
Last thing Thomas care about is the scriptures. They worship
a metaphysical system and a giant complex, you know, conceptual thing,
and they don't care if it goes against what's in
divine revelation, because divine revelation submits to it must be
squeezed into the Tomistic cult. And that's why if they were.
By the way, we've had the Thomas call in and
try to argue a theophanies and they collapse within about
three minutes. Everyone that's called in to debate those And
what argument are they making? Oh, all of the Mormon
isssume me, all of the Muslim and anti Trinitarian Joe's
witness arguments isn't interesting? So that where do the Thomas
flee to freakin Muslim Chobe's witness arguments? What does that
tell you? They're a stupid cult? Why can you guys
not see this? There's dozens and dozens of references to
the Son of Man as the Angel Lord the Old
Testament Ezekiel one through eleven. I did an entire lecture
just on Ezekiel one through eleven, and how Revelation wanted
two identifies that as Jesus. But these retorts have no
knowledge of the scriptures. They only care about their fat prophet,
Saint thalmut Aquinas, and that's why they're too scared to debate,
because they're mentally ill. Spergs. Yep, I hope this isn't
a catch accuting question.
Speaker 26: So I heard you speak about how the vast majority
of the church at falling into arianism.
Speaker 2: Am I correct?
Speaker 20: That's a point of time.
Speaker 2: Yes, in the fourth century the majority of the church
was semi arian.
Speaker 26: Okay. So I was wondering, well, you know the statement
that the gates of Hades will not prevail against the church,
and I guess that.
Speaker 15: Means that the church won't fall into error as a whole.
Speaker 2: Correct, means there will always be Orthodox bishops that maintain
the faith, even if a majority of the bishops succumbs
to heresy. You can never stamp out the Apostolic succession,
is what that means? Okay, there's no promise of a
six or there's no promise of only Rome. Right, that's
all the bull crap that these goobers promote. Okay, thank you,
I know.
Speaker 15: I have one more question.
Speaker 26: So I was told that ecumenical councils no longer occur
due to the Greek schism.
Speaker 2: Is this true? In the Orthodox perspective? We've had pan
Orthodox synods that are eventually received into being normative and
authoritative for us. So the eighth and Ninth Councils, the
Palomite Sinots or the nine, and then we have we
have a post Palamite Synod. You know, letters of the
Patriarchates and et cetera that have been accepted and that
our normative make lying wrong again? By the way, all
of the Thomists stupid stuff and their meltdowns, this is
stuff that I left Tomism over ten years ago or more.
So you need to realize that what the dumb dumbs
are debating on the internet, we already went through and
worked through all this ten to fifteen years ago. I'm
not saying that makes me special, but been there, done that? Dude?
What's up? Make lying great again? What's up? Did you
make thim wrong again? Is this a joke?
Speaker 15: Man? Sorry?
Speaker 2: I was making a joke. Go ahead.
Speaker 29: When you when you compare Evangelical Catholic Orthodox, do they do?
They all share a belief in a physical resurrection of
the deceased body of Jesus after three days or are
their variations on that.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 2: I think pretty much everybody confessionally speaking, believes that.
Speaker 29: Okay, And do they have a view on the details
of how you know a dead body at that stage
of decomposition could be reanimated, like was it frozen on
day zero or was it unfrozen on day three?
Speaker 2: We don't think that it can decomposed at all?
Speaker 15: Got it?
Speaker 8: So the miracle actually happened right away?
Speaker 9: I see?
Speaker 2: Yeah, As David says, he saw no corruption, which means
that his physical body did not engage in any decomposition
because he was not under original sin.
Speaker 7: I see.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 29: So the bacteria in the body, the enzymes and the cells,
the lack of oxygen to the brain, or moisture in
the eyes, all those things just ceased on day zero.
Speaker 4: Actually, yes, got it?
Speaker 2: Thank you, muscular got on mute.
Speaker 26: Sorry.
Speaker 27: I have a question at the second King's if you
remember that the Angel of the Lord lend out a
death one hundred and eighty five thousand in the Syrian camp?
Is that Jesus or the archangel Michaels.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would tend to think it's Jesus, because
if you go, let me finish, if you progress. Doesn't
this end with the threshing floor of Orning? Hello? Yes,
I asked the question.
Speaker 27: Stories like midnight here in jail.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is uh I think that doesn't
this conclude with gosh stupid things not working?
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 2: This one second? Yes, if you look at the conclusion
in the first Chronicles, the angel the Lord appears and
it appears to be also a reference to Christ, I
would I would, I would think that this is Christ
to the way that the appearance occurs with the threshing
floor of warning. What I mean, It's possible that some
of these manifestations are just Michael or Gabriel too, because
sometimes sometimes the the context is does it's not as
explicit which chapter which chapter?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 15: Again?
Speaker 13: Second King is what Second Second King's chapter nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 9: Is there a way how to make.
Speaker 27: The separation or to discern when is Jesus and when
might be archangel Michael except when he's worshiped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's not just when he's worshiped, but also
the way that it's described in the sense of like
if he's For example, in a Judges six, the the
Lord is called the face of Yahweh so that would
let us, that would let us know that that is
that angel, the Lord is Christ. There might be other language,
like the ability to forgive sins like you see in Exceps.
Twenty three, or the ability to redeem Genesis forty nine.
So other types of terms and words. For example, when
he says, why do you ask my name seeing as
it is wonderful? Wonderful counselor is one of the divine
names in Isaiah, so that lets us know that you know, Manoah,
Samson's dad is seeing Christ. Also the descriptors, the visual
descriptions that are used, for example, in Ezekiel one and eleven.
The same visual descriptors are used in the beginning of
the Book of Revelation to describe the revelation of Christ.
To John, it's identical to the way that the description
of the revelation of the Son of Man one like
the Son of Glory writing the chariot in Ezekel one
through eleven, and so we know that that's Christ. Other indicators, too,
would be when Jesus talks about these things in the
New Testament, right John five through nine, no one sees
the Father, and yet Moses was seeing someone face to
face on Mount Sinai and two Corinthians three, Paul identifies
Moses seeing Jesus face to face. So this is the
stupidity of the Thomas. I want to understand that this
alone should be enough to refute Thomism. Go ahead, thank you, yes, Now,
when we were oh, crap, thein't gonna hit the button
s shit, I was booting him, not booting him in
a mean way, and I closed out the damn stream.
Oh well, I guess that was providential. I didn't mean
to do that, but now we can, I guess progress
to our evangelical mega church superstars, evangelical megachurch superstars. So
let's we're gonna talk a little bit about this is
the most expensive survival tool. I own some of the
background to the evangelical megachurches. Actually that that worked out
good because the whole purpose of the day stream was
to get into megachurches, and I feel like I never
would have gotten to that had we kept doing you know,
open debate. H thank you guys for your generosity here
what this is supposed to be paused? Max Simum nine
one one, Hey Jamie, could you make me an espresso
and bring me a glass? Of water with some lime
juice in it, and the allergies the pollens must be
on on high level alert today. Dang oh yeah, we're
on like level nine, headed to level ten of Tree
halland today.
Speaker 14: Ugh.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're gonna get to the megachurch people.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I've got a couple about seven or eight things that
are commonalities the problems, the major problems of the megachurch stuff.
I think most of our audience probably knows this, but
it's worth talking about again because this is still a
very influential popular movement, and it overlaps very well with
the Christian Zionist dispensationalism stuff that we've been critiquing too,
because keep in mind, virtually every megachurch that I'm aware
of or have heard of are Christian Zionists, and any
of them are versions of dispensationalists. So that is one
of the key commonality indicators that we'll notice. Another commonality,
although I'm not in all of them, is the prevalence
of the charismatic heresy charismatic error. By the way, I
did a whole video on my fancy camera that was
about ten minutes breaking this down, and I recorded it wrong.
So We're gonna go ahead and address that really quick
right here, and then I'll cut, I'll clip this section
and make it like that section. So before we get
into that, let's talk about why there's no new revelations,
no new public divine revelations. And once we establish that
in real quick, it's just gonna take me a few
minutes because I pretty much I remember all these by heart.
We're gonna know right away that any group that paused
it's ongoing charismatic public divine revelation is immediately disqualified. So
that means not just Mormon or Muslim, but also Pentecostal
also quote charismatic churches which proclaim and think they have
ongoing new revelations. So first of all, in Daniel nine, well,
I'll mention quickly Deuteronomy thirteen and Deuteronomy eighteen always laid
down this principle for everybody for the future, whether they're
New Testament or whether they're a church fathers, the principle
that you can't contradict prior revelation, So you can't judge
a new revelation right as the standard of the old revelation.
You can't take a new one and say, okay, we're
gonna say that this Old Testament stuff no longer counts
because the New corrects it and discards it. Now you say,
wait a minute, what about the Old Testament and the
New Testament usaide of it? Exactly? The New Testament does
not discard or throw out previous divine revelation. In fact,
most of the New Testament apologetic is concerned with showing
continuity and tell us fulfillment purpose. The whole purpose of
the law, the prophets is fulfilled in the first Advent
of Christ. Now there is a second advent, but the
work of the Cross is the fulfillment of the animal sacrifices.
It's a fulfillment of the ceremonial laws. For the Jewish nation,
it's fulfillment of the land itself. The land is a
type of the Church, and the conquering of the land
is a pattern, a prototype of the world being conquered
by the Gospel Accordingy of Romes. For the Jews in
the wilderness is a type of our coming to rest
in Christ and Hebrews four, it's a type of our
entrance into the eternal rest of the escoton accordny Hebrews four.
So you see that everything that's going on, even the
high priest entering into the Tabernacle in Heaven, Jesus was
presignified by the Old Testament high priests going into the
Holy of Holies. The Holy of Holies is a type
of the third Heavens temple Throne Room of God. So
when Jesus ascended, that was the fulfillment of the high
priest of the Old Testament on the day of atonement
walking into the Holy Holies Hebrew seven. So notice the
movement is from type to fulfillment. The error of dispensationalism
and charismaticism generally speaking, is to postpone that fulfillment to
the escaton. The fulfillment began at the first Advent. Hence
why so many verses in the New Testament, particularly you
know Matthew's parables Matthew twenty one, the Kingdom of God
will be taken from you, the Jews, and given to
a nation producing the fruit three of the Gentiles, hence
a primarily, not exclusively, but primarily Gentile church during the
to last two thousand years of the Church. That is
a fulfillment of dozens of passages in the Old Testament
that predict a largely Gentile Universal Catholic Church. The nations
flow into Zion in Isaiah two, Isaiah nine eleven. No
on Isaiah is the fifth Gospel because there's so many
prophecies of this, okay, so these are signs of the
first Abbot on the side. And that's why Daniel nine
is very specific that when the Messiah is cut off
for his people, that is when eternal righteousness is brought
in and there's an end to the temple system. Daniel
nine twenty four to twenty seven. Again, charismatic dispensationalist heresy
postpones Daniel nine unto the end of the world, which
is stupid because it's predicting what he did at his
first Abvent. So hopefully we can see that over and
over and over. The major mistake not just of the
dispensationalist stuff, but also of most of the Protestant world
in general nowadays, especially the evangelical world. Maybe not classical Protestants,
but the evangelical world is affixated upon this postponing of
everything that Christ brought at the First Advent to the
second Advent. The Kingdom. Oh, that's the thing he's setting
up in Israel. The pre millennial kingdom. Oh, the you know,
ruling with him, Oh, that happens at the end of
the world. No, No, that ruling with him happened at
the ascension. The rod that proceeds from his mouth is
the preaching of the Gospel to conquer the nations. Sit
at my right hand, un till I make your enemies
your footstool. Every idiot evangelical thinks that that's the end
of the world, the Esketon, that might be the final
fulfillment of it. But every New Testament reference to sit
at my right hand till I make your energy footstool
is the ascension. Do you not know what the ascension is?
It is not the second event. It's what happened at
the beginning of the Book of Acts. And if you
read the Book of Hebrews, Jesus's sending is the beginning
of his reign. How do you enter that kingdom? Baptism?
Now to go back to these passages here, Jutera me
thirteen DOA eighteen laid down the principle that any new
claims of profehood or revelation have to be consistent with
what came before. Thus, the New Testament and the writings
of apostles are so uh intent on demonstrating continuity with
what came before. Okay, we get everybody understand.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Am I still going? Is that it looks like the
chap throws up or something I can't see if you guys,
it's beginning to storm here. So hopefully the Internet hasn't
like cut out the Internet connection.
Speaker 25: Is it good?
Speaker 2: Looks like it's still going. Okay, we got almost two thousand.
It's crazy, all right.
Speaker 13: So.
Speaker 2: Dotera me thirteen, do your eighteen. Next. I want to
mention Zechariah thirteen. I'm gonna clip this out and make
this just its own standalone because the other video didn't work.
This is we're gonna demonstrate there are no new public revelations. Okay,
this is where we're gonna go with this. In the
Messianic era, there's a promise. And we know this is
a Messianic era because you're going to see in this
very passage that it is that in that day there's
a fountain opened up for the House of David. This
is john Ford, the fountain of the Holy Spirit. Jesus
dying on the cross, blood and water come out. This
is the fountain of his redemption. All of this is
referring to the First Advent, and in this day it
will come to pass that when anyone says their prophets,
their parents will say, you are cut off. This is
our spiritual doesn't mean that they're actually gonna put to
death people that claim this. But in the New Testament era,
the you know penalties, the ceremonial uncleanness of the Old
Testament is transferred in the New Testament to mean moral uncleanness,
and thus, for example, being cut off from communion or
being fenced from the eucharis to be so. In other words,
a person claiming in the Messianic era to continue to
be a quote prophet will no longer be accepted, and
in fact he is spiritually dead. In fact, anyone who
claims to prophesy in this Messianic era will be ashamed,
and they will no longer wear a rough garment, meaning
like what John the Baptist or what Elijah war right.
Rather they will say, no, no, I'm a husbandman, I'm
a vineyard worker. In other words, like the Apostles. The
Apostles are the husbandmen of the New Testament. They're the
vineyard workers of the New Testament. Okay, the Old Testament
order of prophet comes to an end explicitly according to Jesus,
with John the Baptist. And this is why, for example,
Joseph Smith in his Mormon translation of the New Testament,
literally changed this passage because he needed there to be
the continuation of the Old Testament office of a prophet.
And we noticed that it says the law and the
prophets were until John, and since that time the Kingdom
has preached and men press into it. Note again, this
refutes the delayed view of the dispensationals who pressed the
Kingdom of God to the end of the world. No, no,
Jesus saying that right now people are coming into the Kingdom.
The Kingdom of God is within you, because it's the
life and presence of the Holy Spirit. Okay, not like that,
goober libertarian said, like some sort of pacifist gnostic group
of idiots. There's a specific reference to a terminus for
the Old Testament prophet. Now beyond that, we know that
Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the three Old Testament
offices prophet, priest, and King all in him. Right, how
would there be a continuation of the Old Testament office
of a prophet when the person that they're all appointing
to comes. Now when we have an intertestamental or excuse me,
a not inner testamental, but the transition period. We could
say between the coming of the Messiah, has death, royal resurrection, ascension,
and the establishment of the Church. In the Book of Acts, okay,
this is a transition period when there's still a Jewish
temple for a while. If you read the Book of
Acts right, Paul at times can go to the Jewish Temple.
He takes Timothy. The temple has not been yet been destroyed.
The destruction of the Temple, according to it might be
the book of he Luke twenty one and Matthew twenty
four is the final sign of the completion of the
Old Testament. So it is still proper and appropriate to
have divine revelation continuing during this period where even in
the Book of Acts we see people with the gift
of prophecy, where they like Agabus prophesy things about Paul
or something like that. The Holy Spirit can still be
giving revelation and messages to the church. Yes, all the
way up until the final book, the Final Revelation, the
Book of Revelation of Saint John. But not just the
written text, also the oral teaching of the apostles. The
Apostles and then as Testament identify their oral teaching also
as the word of God. Right, Peter says, this was
the word of God which was preached to you, not
just written, also preached. Paul says, I taught day and
night in ephesis for three years the Gospel. Okay, he
wasn't just writing things for three years straight day and
night Protestants. He was orally teaching and expounding. That oral
teaching is also part of the apostolic deposit of faith,
part of the final revelation. How do I know that
it's final? Well, in Jude there's a statement that the
faith is once for all delivered in verse three to
the saints. The common salvation can tend for the faith
once for all delivered. Some translations say once delivered, some
say once for all. It doesn't matter. The point is
the same. There's a finality assumed in this that during
the period of the apostles and their preaching and their teaching,
there's a finality to public divine revelation. So in the
Book of Acts, when you see the outpourting of the
Holy Spirit in Acts two that's specifically identified as a
fulfillment of the Book of Joel. It is not identified
as something that continues on forever in the same way
in the Transition period. Some of these manifestations were necessary
at this time to establish the church and to fulfill
many old testsant prophecies, as we saw like Isaiah twenty
eight and twenty nine about the Jews hearing a message
in a special miraculous manifested tongue's way that would cause
them to stumble and fall backwards, which is exactly what
happened in the Book of Acts. They do not recognize
the miracle of Pentecosts as a fulfillment and a reversal
of Babel, fulfillment of Isaiah twenty eight twenty nine and
a reversal of Bibel. But you'll note that it is
explicitly referred to by Peter in Acts two as the
fulfillment of Joel. Now every dispensation liss Goofball and I
know because I used to be in this when I
was like nineteen. They read the Book of Joel and
they think about it as an end times prophecy about
Zionist Israel. No no, no, Peter says right here that
what Joel was talking about in the Last Days refers
to the First Advent. How do I know, because it's
happening right there at Pentecost. Pentecost is the pouring out
of the Spirit upon all flesh, Jews and gentiles by
acts ten. You see, so they promphesy. So you notice
that right away. Wait a minute, this doesn't work as
an end times charismatic thing like charismatics and dispensationless and
Pentecostals want. It's not about the end of the world.
It's about the First Advent. If we didn't have a
finality to this revelation, public divine revelation, there would be
no way for Paul to say, you judge anything claiming
to be from God or an Angel on what I
delivered to you. So the teaching of Paul is the
measure for any future claimants, which means that there has
to be some fixed finality to the public divine revelation.
Otherwise anyone could just keep claiming new revelations and new
revelations and new relations, and beyond that the Book of
Revelation itself providentially. I'm not saying this tells us what
the canon is. So don't misunderstand me as making a
Protestant solar crypture argument from this passage. I am not
doing that. This passage does not support that reading, because
there is no fixed canon yet. However, providentially, God knew
and it was the case that this would be the
final book in the collected books that we know of
as written divine revelation. And this book explicitly says do
not add to it or take away from it, again
providentially demonstrating that there is a finality to public divine revelation. Furthermore,
after the death of the Apostles, we have a sect
that arises up and actually claims to have continuing public
divine revelation. Now this is very early, okay, so we're
not talking about centuries after the Apostles. We're talking about
very quickly, within about one hundred years, mid to late
second century. This guy named Montanus comes up and his
sect was called the New Revelation. You see, and Montanus said,
I am the voice of the Holy Spirit. I can
sporadically instantaneously like a charismatic weirdo prophesy. And if I recall,
they might have even had gibberish glossolelia going on. I
don't know. And one of the reasons that we know
that this sect was famous was because one of the
most famous early Christian writers, who wrote originally defending the
Trinity as an Orthodox Catholic person, became a Montanist, Tertullian.
Tortullian left the institutional Orthodox Church for the Holy roller, idiot, gibbering,
schizoid sect of the Montanists. The Montanists were immediately and
early on condemned by the Orthodox Catholic Church right away.
This tells us about yes, correct, jeb they also had
female prophets and pastors, great point, shouldn't leave that out.
So this tells us right here, these principles that I've
laid down, these do not deny the possibility of miracles. Okay,
so we know that in the Orthodox Church we do
believe that God works miracles. We do believe that there
can be a saint with clairvoyance, but none of that
is equal to the faith once for all delivered or
public divine revelation. Now you might think, wait a minute,
doesn't the Roman Catholic position also agree with us? Actually, no,
Although the Roman Catholic position technically admits there's a finality
to divine revelation. The modern Roman Catholic Church has whole
sale from the papacy down, adopted charismaticism. In fact, it's
a big part of their ecumenism, and there's an entire
movement papally approved within Catholicism called Catholic Charismaticism. They even
gave communion to a Protestant ecumenist care charismatic brother, Roger
Shoots of the Taisee community, and I even believe it
was Benedict that gave him communion. So again, understand that
if you're a Roman Catholic, you're not on ours. The
only church that is completely from the very beginning, always
oppose charismatic gibberish nonsense is the Orthodox Church. What does
that tell you? This should tell you right away. Wait
a minute, we're the only ones that are still here
not caving to this idiocy. Now, when I was a
young evangelical goober, I didn't know any better. I read
the Book of Acts. I thought that charismatics were doing
what was in the Book of Acts. But that was
because I was an idiot and I was uneducated. I
thought that prayer the language of the Angels was some
sort of gibberish, right. I was duped by those passages.
Brother Roger Taise, the Swiss Christian leader, a monastic quote brother,
he's a Protestant, received the Eucharists from Rome even though
and let's see, oh, yep, there it is.
Speaker 12: There's a.
Speaker 2: Cardinal Ratzinger giving communion to a confessed Protestant. Does anybody
remember this?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, here it does this. This is two thousand and five.
Roger Shoots is a Swiss Reform Church, a humanist, and
here is ratsing or giving a confessed Reform Protestant communion.
And I remember I was a trad cat at the time,
two thousand and five, twenty years ago. I saw all
this going on. Been in this game a long time, y'all.
Twenty years ago, I was a trade cat, and I
remember being scandalized by this. Why would he give commune
into this weirdo goober old man in a wheelchair who's
a obviously, uh Protestant. Weirdo? Brother Roger Shoots died a Protestant.
Do we see where I'm going with the point? Here
is so Montanism doesn't work. Charismaticism long ago rejected and condemned.
And yet what is the modern Roman Church but the
haven of all heresies. It is the great confluence of
all errors and heresies into one. It's the greatest delusion,
especially for all the Roman chasm tridcats, pretending that this
is the ancient faith of the church. You literally accept charismaticism. Now,
let me make sure, because I'm not. I think he
is a charismatic. Even if he's not, it's not gonna
matter though, because I'll show you that they did accept
charismatic stuff. What did I tell you? There we go,
Brother Roger Ship, Well, this says charismatic leadership. Let's see,
was he a charismatic? I want to say he was,
but I haven't even thought about this in a long time. Uh,
this is just pulling up like charismatic leader No, I
mean like charismatic gifts. Let's see. Hmm, he was a
mega ecumenist. I can't figure ou if he's a charismatic
or not. Regardless of whether he's a charismatic though, Like,
there's a whole thing here again, Roman Catholic charismatic movement.
They call it the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in Rome. So
there's that.
Speaker 9: And This is.
Speaker 2: Fully accepted from the top down. It's not like some
fringe thing. You can find it extensively across the internet.
Let's see what Catholic answer says about I don't remember
what they say about it. Catholic charismatics. This is from
Karl Keating, the famous Roman callery writer. Begins in nineteen
sixty seven. It began at the Kensney Universe d Kane University,
then it spread to Notre Dame, and then it went viral.
Belgian Cardinal Sunans was an early patron. Pope Paul the six,
while a charismatic it was in progress, said positive things
about the movement. Later, John Paul the second encouraged charismatics
to defend the Christian notion of social life. Okay, and
then it talks about Franciscans and Steubenville Franciscan University seemed
to be an epicenter of Catholic charismaticism in the nineties.
Where it stands today. When was this written? This is
probably old. It doesn't say when this was written.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Now, when we went to Rome, there were there was
open promotion of Caloic charismatic stuff in Rome, like in
the at the Vatican and there was this stuff was
being promoted. Uh, let's see what this says. Jump all
the second called Catholic charismatic renewal a gift of the
Holy Spirit. There you go. Even the SSP X h
uses this as one of their reasons to oppose the
Novasorto in the Vatican to superstructure because this is obviously
just ridiculous. I mean again, that Rome is okay with
this should tell you guys, like this is the Roman
Callolic Church is not your church? Like this is enough
right here. It's like any one of these things should
be a kill shot, right if Rome is okay and
tolerates this nonsense. Because again, do you not hear me
say that Montanism is a condemned heresy by the way,
I mean, is Tertullian like a saint now? Like if
Turtillia was condemned as a Montanist, well, I guess it's
cool now he could be a saint, because I mean
Montanism is actually pretty cool. So every previously condemned error
and heresy has now been accepted by the Roman Catholic Church.
And this is pretty widespread, Like you can go to
random diocese. Oh, here we go, Baton rouge. Yeah, we
accept Catholic charismatic renewal. Sure, yeah, it's all cool. And
you know, Father Suffron Rose also included pretty savage critiques
of this nonsense in his books worth actually in the
Religion of the Future, right, I'm looking for any more
references to. As of twenty thirteen, Catholic Charismatic Renewal has
one hundred and sixty million members. Woe. This is encouraged
by Vatican two as well as the Ecumenism. Pope Francis
invited the charismatic renewal to come in twenty seventeen. And
guess what it's directly linked to the advancing of ecumenism. Guys,
I mean this should be a kill shot right here,
This right here invalidates Rome. How can something be a
heresy in the days of Tertullian in the second century
and now it's the Holy Spirit movie cohort ten bucks.
Can you do a John Hey blood moon pie impersonation?
Speaker 3: This is Jon Piggy. I believe even the prophesies of
the New Testament about blood moons, blood moons or of
course blood moon Pije Jordan floor is one hundred dollars.
Uh uh huh, baby paying for all the bills today.
Laugh all you want, passer.
Speaker 2: Randy Balls is nine hundred and oho in Debates, Undefeated
the World of God. Denny j. Mel thirty dollars. I
appreciate you talking to Dasha. Thank you. Her post had
her on her podcast she was worried about Free Mason's infiltrating. Yeah,
I guess she Well, somebody said that she's got a
friend that's like I said, of a contest. So you
see that there's some friend in her nexus that has
these seta arguments that has influenced her. Now, I've not
listened to a lot of the podcasts, but this is
what other people who listen to the podcast have told me,
and that makes perfect sense. So again, you know, people
are going to have to figure out whether whether the
contradictions are things that they can accept and live with
or not. Jordan Flor's one hundred dollars, you better have
that sixteen to eleven j KJV only onholds her ready
to go for that strength today. Baby, well, I got
my new King James Orthodox study bibble unholstered. But I
guess that means I'm an apostate. By the way, y'all
remember remember when y'all and when everybody.
Speaker 3: You need to debate Stephen Anderson, you need to debate
Stephen Anderson.
Speaker 2: Why would I even need to debate Stephen Anderson? Like,
not everybody who's an idiot needs to debate or be
given a debate. Sometimes it's detrimental to actually debate people. Now,
the dash of debate was tongue in cheek, and oh said, oh,
she's a grifter. Well, I think, I mean, she's read enough.
If she's talking about Salovyev, I've never heard a girl
talk about Saloviyev. Okay, that's a first. Now, I don't
think that book is that good. I read Sloviav's book
back in two thousand and eight, and ultimately it did
not convince me. It gave me some questions to ask,
and I asked the same questions that she was asking.
But I mean, if she's reading Saloviev, that doesn't strike
me as somebody who's you know, disingenuous. And she actually
had some pretty good questions. So, you know, pray for
her to convert. And oh, she's an asset, she's an
operative and this and that. I mean, dude, look, don't
worry about people. Worry over this stuff way too much.
Like in time, people's motivations become clear and they become manifest.
You don't have to worry about everybody's you know, everybody's
a secret agent or whatever. Look if she's if she's
not serious, or somebody else is not serious, it'll be manifest.
You don't have to worry about it. But you know
what's interesting, what did you even do the conversation? Do
you know how many views that's had between Twitter and here?
One hundred almost one hundred and fifty thousand views between
all the programs, the platforms. I should say, you know
how many tens of thousands of people that we spoke to?
Probably one hundred thousand of the one hundred fifty thousand
would have never seen or heard any of the stuff
that we talk about. That's why, duh, Well would you
have a conversation with Patrick? But David because a million
freaking people will see it. That's why maximum number one
five dollars, h Brozie five dollars. If you ever if
I ever hear you disrespect MMA again, I'll go full
track at spurt Twitter on you. It's the only sport
completely untouched by soyness and tards so far. But I
like MMA. I've always said I like UFC, so I
don't that's like the only sport. I actually like to
watch old timer ten bucks.
Speaker 15: Jay.
Speaker 2: Think if your work. I'm an Orthodox inquired with a
process and background, what's the best resource on Orthodox history
and teaching? There's so much information. I don't know where
to start, uh, I mean I would read my endorsed
books as a place to start. Just get all of
his books. Tribe called Jake ten dollars. This is a
super chat for the chat. Jay stays undefeated. God bless Jay,
Thank you job. Five dollars passer rank. We're not even
talking about the megachurches. So some idiot was saying in
the chat, the Orthodox Church is the original mego Church. Really,
we have the same liturgical worship that it's never changed
all the way back to the ancient Church. The Roman
Catholic Church has changed their liturgical worship in a revolutionary way,
and everyone knows this with the Protestants who developed the
Novasorto mass. Okay, so just by worship alone, you can
prove the Orthodox Church is the only true standing ancient church.
Just the liturgy alone, prison for you if you figure
it out. What does God care a lot about his worship?
Have you read Biticus ten eleven nadab abaye whu? How
did the ancient church worship in the first second third century.
We'll go to the catacombs. I've been there. There's altars,
there's images, there's relics in the catacombs, first second, third century.
When the church was no longer the catacombs, they emerge
and they worship out same way. Altars, baptisteries, relics, Eucharist, images, saints,
same stuff. Liturgy. I think probably don't even know what
liturgical worship. Like I say that word, they don't even
know what that is. What do you talk about the hood, healths, churches,
the host church as if that means like Protestant Bible study,
like youth group. We got to get to the megachurch.
Speaker 3: Job.
Speaker 2: Five dollars price arounding balls is the funny stream, one
of the funniest dreams. Time to erect Protestants with the
balls out prophecy exactly, Justin Henley, one gift, Thank you,
Justin Henley, five dollars. You're not leaving this church until
I get forty thousand dollars. We got a new megachurch
man taking it to the next level. Baby. I like
the strategy basically, just imprisonment tithed by imprisonment. This is
a bold strategy for getting donations.
Speaker 1: But I like it.
Speaker 2: Let's check that out os that is involved. There's one
thousand of you.
Speaker 26: I see it.
Speaker 22: Close them doors, ushers, close the doors, close the doors,
close the doors. It's a thousand that's watching online. This
is a small seed. If I get a thousand on
line to give this. If I get a thousand, and
I like.
Speaker 2: Where this brother going. Listen, we got right now seven
eighteen hundred of y'all in the chat watching, seventeen hundred
y'all in the chat watching. I want y'all, dummies to
close your door right now. Wives, close the door on
your husband in the bathroom and the party sitting on
that can. Sisters, close the door on your brother's Okay,
lock him in that pantry, Lock him in that basement
right now where he down there, Lock him in, Lock
him in ushers, yeah, yeah, yeah, Little John, lock Usher in, Usher,
lock the usher's in. Okay. I want little John and
Usher donating forty dollars tonight. You ain't getting out of
that pantry. You ain't getting out of that broom. Close it.
Whether you an usher or whether you are sure, lock down,
put him on lockdown right now, every one of y'all.
Forty dollars right now, you ain't getting out. I like
this bold strategy than dollars tonight.
Speaker 22: Now, everyone up here, we've all sold and seated, but
I need everyone standing up here with us with me
to plan a seat of one hundred dollars, because again
it cost the city.
Speaker 2: Damn you listen, y'all think I sit in this chair
for free. You think this chair was free. You think
this this badass Miami vice glowing neon was free. You
think this room with the books over on our shlf
was free? Son? No, I locked in. This door right
here is locked in, and I can't leave this room.
I'm anna stove.
Speaker 21: I got four black ushers in my hallway right now.
Lock me in, son, the ushers have locked me in.
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's
not church ushers.
Speaker 2: I got four.
Speaker 30: Ushers, yeah yeah, yeah, what I got fours two little
John's in the hall right now, locked in. I am
locked in and I can't get out of here. To
y'all saying forty dollars. It ain't free to sit in here.
It ain't free to sit on this. I'm trying to
I can't even remember the lyrics of uh, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got ursers locked me in, Yeah yeah yeah, no,
no no, I don't even remember his lyrics.
Speaker 31: Don't catch the little thing, peace down, peace up, hey
town down up in the cloud with my homies, trying
to get a little t I.
Speaker 2: V V I V I not t I. I always said,
he said t I. What's he talking about?
Speaker 10: TI?
Speaker 18: Trying to get a little v I keep it down
on the loki. So I saw that she was checking
up on me. So the game she was spitting in
my ear, you would think she know me, she find
me feeling likes you Ready up.
Speaker 2: And that's a hard ass song to sing, Like, what
the hell is he talking about? I can't even I
can't decipher half of what Ersher're talking about. Anyway, I'm
locked up in here, bro, I can't get out. We
got four ushers and two little John's that got me
locked up until y'all give me all your money. Ah,
your money? Are you need to get it in tangible?
It ain't free to sit in this chair and get it.
You think it's free to sit in this purple DRIs
purple drink scissor up chair. Hell no, it ain't free.
This chair costs me about fifty dollars. And marshals. I
don't even know where I got it. I think I
got it. A marshals that are a wal More. I
got a light over there, a cheap ass Walmart light
that costs me about forty dollars. I got another little
light calls me about thirty dollars. It ain't cheap, it
ain't free, son, Because I need to see a thousand
people moving. Bring them baskets. Bring I want the baskets
up here. I want to see the folk bring them baskets.
Speaker 22: Y'all start moving. Y'all can bring it right now, Come, come,
bring right now. A thousand people need to give you
twenty dollars. A thousand people need to give twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: A thousand people need to give me a thousand dollars,
which he talking about these saints. It's easy's huh. A
thousand people give me a thousand dollars. I'm gonna retire
right now. A thousand all right, now, give you a
thousand more. Think how much more blessing you get? Give
me one thousand dollars versus a dollar, you get a
thousand times the blessing son Shane Hampton one dollar, search
sorraw walk for Jesus, pleasant surprise at one fifty. Oh oh,
I don't know if I want to do that. I
don't know that sounds dangerous. I don't know what that
pleasant surprise is. Dave Mustardane two dollars. Randy Balls is
buying the Vatican. He would if he could. Steve mclov
and five dollars. Competer pop Off, Miracle spring water, bless
me with bitcoin, Yes, yes, duh, of course. What do
you think? Maximum number one J A Y J J
J Jay exactly. You know a debater is having a
hard time when you start hearing my name Jay Jack
Jack Jack Jay. Yep, it's all right. Ten dollars, I said, Jay,
get out of this church. Jay. I think he's trying
to do an impression of Paul Washer when Paul Washer
kicked me out. JB. Peltier with that fancy French, with
that fancy sassy French name. Five dollars. I will pay
that libertarian guy five bucks. A step to stop whimpering.
Troy called j two dollars. Send that kid to the
shadow realm. He got banished, Bro treeper two dollars.
Speaker 7: The N A R.
Speaker 2: Prosperity gospel should be destroyed. I mean, you gotta be
pretty dumb to believe this stuff. I don't I don't
know what to say. Man. I would have thought that
was like a boomer era, you know, with like Paul
and Jan Crouch, you know, duping a bunch of grandmas
and boomers. But like, who's packing up the seats of
these megachurches? Is it just brothers and sisters? Well? I mean,
I don't know if Joel Ostein's got a lot of
Caucasians and his congregation, doesn't he Stefan dB ten dollars?
But Jay, Jay, listen, Jay, do you know about Jesus Christ,
our God and Savior?
Speaker 12: Jay?
Speaker 2: Let me finish.
Speaker 15: Jay.
Speaker 2: I swear that these people's IQ cannot be beyond fifty.
It's it's a it's a struggle. Sam je five dollars.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Jack Hibbs
Calvary Chapel. Uh it mixes politics and preaching. Well, actually,
we're gonna talk about Calvi travel next, because Lane Frisbee
was my story. This is where we're gonna go first. Okay,
did he have anything?
Speaker 13: Now?
Speaker 2: That was all he We got all his money money. Now.
By the way, I wanted to tell you the Nova
Sordo priests looking. Here's Michael Lafton over here rapping. Check out.
Let's let's check out your boy, Mike Lafton, Baby.
Speaker 27: Auber fletlick shout man Maurunda by Cynthia.
Speaker 26: Feel a sinful anger, some chillin starting sign and Cloud still.
Speaker 1: Loud on.
Speaker 2: Pete for Allen got lead. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Anytime you think that the Roman Catholics can never outdo themselves,
they outdo them like only the Roman Catholics can outdo
the Roman Catholics, nobody else. Dog, Yes, it's a special
kind of special. Okay, you know what this reminds me of.
This reminds me of German class. Okay, when I was
taking German, which I got good grades. Then, by the way,
our lesbian German professor made us watch, I kid, you
not stupid German white rappers. I'm not joking, and I'm
trying to remember the name of that stupid ass German
rap man, it was so dumb, but we had to
learn these stupid lyrics because