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Speaker 1: Pay Piggy, Pay Piggy.

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Speaker 2: Don't make me go back to that ninety five wagecock.

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There's no way to be alive.

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Speaker 3: Don't make me go.

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Speaker 1: Back to ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Wageock.

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Speaker 1: Need's no way to be alive.

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Speaker 4: Boot pay Biggy, that pay Biggy.

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Speaker 5: Just give me one more super Chance, Pay Piggy, just

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give me one more began pay Piggy, just give me

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one boom.

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Speaker 6: Woot one one missed to Danny mixed freak Giar. We

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had the baby she went for such she won good cheek,

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gotta lay down on my bands on the lembo because

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she don't like my brother. No, she got a diamond

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grip and a baby teeth.

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Speaker 7: Coolest kid in nursery.

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Speaker 2: But you know I'm not a matter red.

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Speaker 6: Yell list and not the year list. I float with

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the transcendental argam reading Viggenstein, investigate my girl philosophically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 8: I just want the money.

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Speaker 1: Just give me one more, chetig, just give me one

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more super JEMs.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Giggy, just give me one more such.

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Speaker 2: Hey Biggy, Yeah, just give me one.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: It up sipping for you, girl. I want my heart

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once you win my work. I see you in the

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souper chet. I see you want to go from me.

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I see you want the only fens and you my

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heart in your hand. Please don't crush your girl. I

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understand that I'm a sim but I'm proud. I'm a geek,

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but I'm proud and I want to feel your breath

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at a convention.

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Speaker 8: I want my picture.

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Speaker 10: You grow up in my ass to be on social media.

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I want my friends to see it on this discord. I'm

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gonna upload it to myself bread.

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Speaker 2: And they all gonna see it.

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Speaker 10: My friends, they're gonna like it, they're gonna retweet it.

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But I been that it's gonna be the greatest moment

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of my lap and I want.

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Speaker 11: You to be a part of a girl.

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Speaker 10: Ya.

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Speaker 7: Don't make me go back to that's ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Waite Shuckage, No way to be alive. Don't make me

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go to ninety Waite shuckage, No way.

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Speaker 12: To be alive.

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Speaker 2: They just give me one more Chack, Just.

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Speaker 1: Get me one more super yas.

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Speaker 2: Pay Biggy, just give me one more.

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Speaker 5: Pay Higgy, just give me want mo bigg.

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Speaker 1: Just give me one loss of a check.

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Speaker 2: Pay Giggy, just give me one more.

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Speaker 5: Supertenance pay, Biggy, Just give me one more sump pay, Biggy,

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just give me want boy.

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Speaker 13: Was in moodle?

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Speaker 14: Was it?

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Speaker 15: Quas?

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Speaker 7: It was it?

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Speaker 15: Mudle godlas of bitch just calling me on my mobile.

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Speaker 2: Quasi mono.

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Speaker 15: I got a natural flesh patch right there for my

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mole bone. I live a life CROs in modo. My

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bitches be calling me master mode. You don't even understand

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this fload over float over. When I get older, will

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I still have an ft shoulder? Quasi modo. High school

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kids made your fun of me. You call me played

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over on this back part right here, just as part

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as flat. Quasi modo. I'm up in my um puss

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you it's very up drinker.

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Speaker 16: I found a I found a hum back chick. She

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was stink on it.

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Speaker 17: Quasi modo looking for a Quasi modo hoqua was in modo?

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Speaker 16: Who You don't even know what it's like with a

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little bitty friend on your back like this ragion.

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Speaker 2: I got a little brother on my shoulder. Quasi moldo.

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Speaker 18: I just smile a weird modified lambo who.

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Speaker 16: So that I can drive in a weird way inside

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of modified lamboo?

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Speaker 15: Whoa?

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Speaker 16: You don't even understand my my floor though. But this

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was very helpful for a month therapy.

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Speaker 2: Because in model.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, there's only one thing that can bring them law

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together that begins with you. But where it begins with you,

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not you.

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Speaker 2: I want to say where.

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Speaker 1: The Tensco bankers him on the.

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Speaker 12: Four bankers, Baker, give or pay, give your name, name

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your name. I want to see you'll ask the mores. Yeah,

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I'm talking to you. Get more hose, gimp p gimbo, botes,

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gimble leeve. I want to see the CEOs did coope

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ruin those slides in one hundred and forty one b.

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Speaker 10: O s.

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Speaker 1: Cool your name, name name, name, your name, name, the

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name of the day.

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Speaker 12: Day chake shake take that shake that all middle plans.

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Speaker 3: Seegos get on your tone.

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Speaker 2: You'll face what's it?

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Speaker 1: Just faces.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the banker.

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Speaker 1: On the floor.

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Speaker 12: I want to see your ass poor.

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Speaker 2: Make a clap, make a fat clap.

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Speaker 6: That loose reading.

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Speaker 2: I'm an chance.

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Speaker 1: Bankers get on the floor.

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Speaker 12: Bankers, people, boks, bankers. You're gonna pay, Baker, you're gonna pay,

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make you read a book together, such a medal class.

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Speaker 2: And more Fiat cash in my bank account.

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Speaker 12: Bankers get on the floor. Banker makes a pig.

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Speaker 2: Wang wang wang bang my lang bang my bang wag

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bang my bag bag, my.

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Speaker 12: Bag bank put my bag bank, my bank, bank bank

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bank bank bank, my bank.

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Speaker 1: B bank, my bank bank bank bank bane b.

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Speaker 10: H h.

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Speaker 1: H h h.

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Speaker 19: Jamie, could you make me I express? So okay, we're

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gonna open it up. Let's keep it on topic one

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plus one plus one equal.

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Speaker 8: Free icons are idolatry jay j.

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Speaker 19: But Jay, can I talk?

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't?

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Speaker 8: Next Cathedra.

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Speaker 20: If God is real white?

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Speaker 9: Does he allow evil?

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Speaker 8: Why do you pray to dead people? Traditions of my

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It's a no brainer.

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Speaker 19: You're such a tyrannical rainer.

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Speaker 20: Is this your first time on thean or well?

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Speaker 8: I need a jo?

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Speaker 1: Can't take these loads her slow boys?

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Speaker 8: Is this your first time on the or wesh?

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Speaker 1: You need changer, sue?

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Speaker 8: Was that an uncreative foot part?

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Speaker 2: A mute dude?

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Speaker 8: Stop repeating my name?

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Speaker 13: Dude?

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Speaker 19: You Goober's callin or I'll boot you. Where did we

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get the Bible from? Have you read the cannons of Franzia?

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Speaker 12: What are you Catholic?

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Speaker 2: Or are you presidents? I'm not trying to be mean,

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but do you have an actual argument. There is only

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one church. You're in a cult? Oh goblin, a demon,

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a boomer chol question.

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Speaker 8: Do we have any diddyback venerators in the chat? Your

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first time on being?

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Speaker 1: Or chance? Take it?

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Speaker 3: These loads?

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Speaker 1: You're slow boys? Are you? Is this your first time

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on being?

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Speaker 8: If you're a wine on front of the line, mute dude.

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Speaker 2: Just a little reminder, just a little bit of reminder,

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because uh, before there was Righteous Gemstones, there was Pastor

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Randy Balls. Hi yoo, you're all ready for a little

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bit of Randy Balls. A little refresher perfectly fits the

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vibe the mood of today's discussion about mega churches that

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you'll notice nobody mentioned, nor did I include in the

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description America's greatest megachurch pastor Pastor Randy Bows? Are you

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not getting spirits the fare where you are?

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Speaker 11: We come on down the circus of power megamega church.

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Speaker 3: But fail.

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Speaker 2: This is Pastor rand the bow, the bow. It's my

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honor to y'all.

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Speaker 14: Don't joke, get it, yeah, don't joke, get it in charge.

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Speaker 2: It's ah hh versus b J.

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Speaker 8: There's all kind.

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Speaker 21: Hey, y'all the best.

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Speaker 1: Happy time out here.

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Speaker 11: At Arcade Church.

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Speaker 20: This is my church.

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Speaker 1: Past around your dimes.

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Speaker 9: Who something out healing?

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Speaker 2: It's okay, we're all wedding about what you're wedding because

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I do that to start.

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Speaker 1: How are you telling me? Fine?

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Speaker 22: We got shot at Circus of Palace.

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Speaker 2: We got our own in house version of Dick Sar.

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Speaker 3: We got a version of everything out there in the

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world for you and your family.

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Speaker 2: Look at these guys, they're so cool in my book.

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Speaker 9: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 11: Not into that at kids stuck, don't worry. We got

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a whole ministry just for teens, especially teens dealing with addiction.

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I call it teen Steam. If you're dealing with spandex

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back or short addictions, don't worry. We got a whole

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dance troop to help you out.

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Speaker 2: Not only that, our church is the only one that

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Track County Area with.

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Speaker 11: A Blackbuster attached to the sanctuary. Let's go rid a

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flag baby.

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Speaker 3: Not enough ministry for you.

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Speaker 2: We've also got a ministry to hoboes.

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Speaker 11: Not just hoboes, but we use mimes and dogs to

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counsel gangs altogether.

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Speaker 2: We recruit the hoboes. Let's not only do we cassa

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Randy Balls rehab rehabilitates wolves and makes them docile.

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Speaker 11: Each family skills like access and dark web, but also

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old people had to distinguish between.

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Speaker 12: A mounts and a bussa.

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Speaker 1: Shot.

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Speaker 11: We're also the only church to try count area with

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the theme park based around Michael Jackson's Never Never Lands.

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Like typical service, Why just gave you the church into

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the pool. We've got a water sline that takes you

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directly from the sactionar. We're to the phil Pool out.

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Speaker 2: Back, Phil Pool, out back down Son. Where's this church at?

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I'm up for goat, I'm not even done. We also

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have a puppet ministry. They got a fake ve details

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it wraps you like them cool beats?

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Speaker 12: I know I do.

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Speaker 11: On top of that, we got a flying Howie Mandel

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as well as a punch of goop.

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Speaker 2: Look at all that good man take me crazy.

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Speaker 11: Every sermon is a monster drug relant, and not only

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preach every sermon inside of soul prussure.

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Speaker 2: This was years before Righteous Jemstones, by the way, I

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had to admit, and how could we have ever guessed

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that this would be prophetic? Because the mega church Men's

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ministry thing is back this year. If you all remember

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last year they had monster truck rally and male pole dancers. Yes,

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you heard me correctly. They even outdid Pastor Randy Balls.

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You heard me correctly, male pole dancers. Okay at a

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masculinity event. What yes, even Pastor Randy Balls now looks

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like a far right neo tiny mustache man compared to

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the what's it called Riverside minute. I will have to

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find the clip because this year I think that they

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had so much of a fuss over the male pole dancers. Yes,

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you heard me right, the male pole dancers, that they

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got rid of that. Oh man, I hope I saved

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that into my bookmarks. Let's see if I saved it.

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By the way we got we got Oh yeah, I

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saved everything good over here? Okay, we got novus ordo

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priests that are rappers. Look at that? Is that Michael

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Wafton or is that a Novasto priest? I can't tell.

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We'll find out in a second. Yes, I saved Pastor

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sweaty black man over here talking about you best give

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me a photo thousand dollars so you ain't double getting nobody.

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Hell m. But the real question is where did I save? Oh? Here,

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it is here. It does Look at this, this is

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this is this year's Randy Balls, Randy Balls's competition. Okay,

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by the way, I should be a writer on Righteous

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Gemstones after my creation of Randy Ball. Randy Balls should

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be in season five of Righteous Gemstones. Y'all start messaging

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those producers at HBO what to tell Danny McBride. Yo,

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you had your boy over here as a competitor pastor

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years before there was a Righteous Jumpstones. By the way, right,

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Randy Balls will be a perfect character for Righteous Gemstones.

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But now you can't even tell the difference between Righteous

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Gemstones and the actual evangelical things because look at this,

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this is this is actually the toned down thing that

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they had last year. Louis Louis Jigglow. They had a

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male pole dancer last year. This year they got a

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guy named Louis Jigglow. Chad Veach, look at that soy face?

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Speaker 15: What the hell?

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Speaker 2: And then token black dude, Earl McClelland what the hell

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is this? What the hell is even that?

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Speaker 13: Bro?

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Speaker 2: Come on, come on now, these are the people that

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got fired from Randy Balls the church for being too liberal,

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and they went and they created this thing. But you

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know what's funny about it? If you notice all the

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stuff that's the men's stuff. It's all external Americanist trappings

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of what masculinity is. It's all bullshit, right, just stupid

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shit like Monster Truck who Monster Books are masculine? Dude alone,

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now will I will admit that UFC is masculine. It

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can also be a little a little skittles too, a

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praise and worship, faking gray super faking gay BMX biking

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is this nineteen ninety eight?

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Speaker 13: Like?

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Speaker 2: Who does people?

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Speaker 7: Does?

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Speaker 2: Does people? Still does this? I don't even know? Paige

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and Sean White? And then we got no, it's not

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even UFC, it's just boxing. Okay, well, YouTube creators box,

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So I don't even know if that's that masculine anymore.

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I'm trying to box somebody, though, I know that much.

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I'm ready to box. And then we got the Halo.

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What the hell does Halo got to do with this?

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The Halo dude shows up? What the hell is this?

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Chad Beach more like Chad VI, Chad Yetch, Louis Jiggelow

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and token black dude. What's sudden? What's up?

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Speaker 10: Y'all?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: They got entertainment Hold up, you mean I get all

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of that masculinity it's getting hot up in here for

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the price of the entry fee, and I get American gladiators.

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Hold up, yes, you get actual American gladiators for the

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price of admission. Whoa that didn't even look like American gladiators.

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Aough like some kind of lame ass. You know what

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you call that? Zip line? Zip line? What zip line? No, dude,

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give me, give me mister Ice and mister Freeze. And

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I don't know who were the American Gladiators. I've eady

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forgotten them. Give me them buff chicks and that one

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big old buff black dude that's gonna hit me with

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a big giant Q tip. That's what I want for

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the price of admission. American Ninja Warrior. That was the

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ripoff of American Gladiator. That was like a later instantiation.

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Now we're going to open it up here in a

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second before we get two my mega church BFFs. I'm

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talking about my boy Joel Austin. I'm talking about my boy,

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my girl Paula p Paula w p W, Paula White.

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I'm talking about my boy BG Billy Graham, the O

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G the Old Graham, Old Graham Cracker, Billy Old Graham Cracker,

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the o g I'm talking about uh can he c

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Kenny Copeland. I'm talking about who else is amongst this cadre,

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this cavalcade of khn men. I've already forgotten Benny Hen

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my boy bh right, not Bhi, not black you risalite

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my boy bh Benny Hen, I got my boy? Who

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else is on this list?

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Speaker 14: Here?

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Speaker 2: I got my little We got a few shorties in

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the house. We got some hotties about to make it

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to the potties tonight. I'm talking about Gwyn Shambling. Okay,

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I'm talking about hotties. I'm talking about players like kruflow Dollar.

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I'm talking about big boys like John Hagy. We might

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even throw in a little bit of more Mork Driscoll,

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Marcus Driscoll. We're talking about Ted Haggard up here right,

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Gay meth Man from the Haggard family, Chase Tristan, Ted Haggard.

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We're talking about we've got any more hotties, anymore shorties

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amongst the We got players like TD Jakes, You boy,

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td std Jakes. We got your boy std Jakes in

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the house. Woman thou Art loose. All right, that's woman,

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thou art loose. That's what it's That's what it's all about.

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It the td Jake's church woman thou Art loose, get it,

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pastor std jakes. Come on now, I'm on a roll today.

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We've already got them two hundred dollars rolling in. I

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am on a roll. Uh leave your seat offerings today, friends,

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And if you donate one hundred dollars in super chats,

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you will get one zillion dollars in bitcoins and God

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blessed return. Oh we got them all today. Now I

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want you all to remind me if I forget anybody.

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We've even got them old school Hippie bow Hippie Bros

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in the house, Lonnie Frisbee, remember Linnie Frisbee, Calvany Chapel

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and the Prophetic Revival, the Vineyard. We got it all today, son.

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But before we do that, I got to remind you

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Randy Balls did make a return, but not a lot

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of people were that into it, except on Twitter. I

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got a lot of views on Twitter. But just real quick,

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you need to be reminded that Randy Balls didn't make

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a return. If you missed it, because it's just appropriate

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for today.

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Speaker 23: Mo old mega church crap. You seeking tired of monster

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truck rallies at your service?

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Speaker 2: We had that in two thousand eight.

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Speaker 13: This is old school.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty four. It's time for the future.

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Speaker 8: So in church with a little more age.

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Speaker 11: Hey, that's right, We've hired a whole troop of dang

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golf teams to come down and be part of our church.

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Speaker 2: I don't bring it the other teams.

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Speaker 4: Like it's nine team, not to nest in here.

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Speaker 1: Whoa.

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Speaker 23: Hey, look, guys, I know a lot of y'all are

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a little worried since I had to do so many

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sermons after my paralyzation.

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Speaker 24: Accident from zoom from my cell.

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Speaker 12: Don't why I'm gonna be out of this Cayman Islands high.

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Speaker 2: Security prison very soon because I was not doing nothing,

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wouldn't He was not doing nothing with no hookers, he promises,

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even though he got busted in the Cayman Islands and

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thrown into a supermax. But look, word is Randy Balls

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is doing okay and he's ready to return to his ministry,

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which will be mostly through Zoom and TV broadcasts.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, this is nothing.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna be back and there's gonna be charged.

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Speaker 12: Listen.

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Speaker 24: It ain't help, It ain't help the devil know wise

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whatsoever to help shut down our ministries. We got our

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End Times Underground Basic still being built. We got our

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new LGDTVQ plus worship team, we got our new luxury

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car lot, we got our new fake Disney World. We've

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even got bullying ministry as well as my Christian nuclear

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energy facility.

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Speaker 2: Being set up.

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Speaker 11: And don't forget the Flying Kid due to all the

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converts from only fans to my big, mega, mega mega church.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Flying Kid. It's funny because when

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I made the skit last year, it wasn't too long

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after this that that one giant megachurch had the people

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flying in And you can tell that influence this season

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of Righteous Gemstones because they added that too. Oh what

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was that called? You know, y'all know what I'm talking

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about where they had that megachurch where people were like

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flying in on It was like even Santa, wasn't it megachurch?

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Santa flies in y'all know what I'm talking about, right,

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I'll never find it, but no here it is, no

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here it is. Look this, I think whatever Randy Balls

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does look at that they go damn circus performers flying in.

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They got damn Peppermint Patty flying in. Look. Anytime Randy

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Balls says something, the megachurches do it. It's like a

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damn prophecy. Bro. What's up? Thank you for being so

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generous today with your seed blessings.

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Speaker 23: I've got a found a jump for all these lovely ladies. Well,

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guess what they're gonna read and talk to you by

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the Internet. Why if you sign up, they read the Solace.

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Speaker 2: Home to you for friends with I thought this was

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a pretty funny idea, like the only fans girls that

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are quote converting like Nala, right, and so Randy Balls

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puts them to work. But you get to call in

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and they'll read the song songs to you. Come on, now,

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that's freaking funny. Tell me that ain't damn funny. Come on.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: You wonder how I got to be writing for Sam Hyde, Well,

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because I know what the hell I'm doing. Now, when

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the hell are we gonna make some skits? Does this

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not demonstrate it's premiere skit making potentialities and abilities? I

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mean I was watching some of Ky Mooney's old skits

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on his channel, and I mean, he's great, it's it's

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good stuff. But almost this is this is up there,

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This is competing. This is on the level of the

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stuff that cal Mooney has made back in the day.

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Thirty five minutes then comes diving of there.

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Speaker 15: I guess what.

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Speaker 14: You don't even gotta wear a shirt no more to

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cool surf gus service church is coolest. Hey, look, man,

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don't worry if you missed cool guy church service for surfers,

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because you can always wait about.

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Speaker 2: Thirty minutes in conco steampunk church if a robot name,

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what's going on on?

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Speaker 1: Dude?

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Speaker 2: I like the idea that Randy Balls doesn't really even

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know what steampunk is and it's not even that important

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or popular. But orthodoxy is the old school megachurch. Oh,

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come on, that's one of the stupidest statements I've ever

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seen on the internet. You though that would be still cool?

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Speaker 5: Heck no, If you want real church, if you'll lack

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the rest options, all you gotta do is come to

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slow at europe Engineering Squad.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know why I blurred the face, so

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I just thought it'd be funny to add the blur

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in for like no reason at all. Like there was

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something scandalous going on my god ft Sea church.

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Speaker 11: Once I got four thirds in my body damaged and parallax,

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I was still able to preach half the sermons like

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this from the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Bed On.

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Speaker 2: Cameos Sam Hadio, CAMEO Hyde. It doesn't in there. Oh wait,

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I did include it in the Randy balls. Some people

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flying around like like righteous jempsones preachers that fly. Look

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at that dude, he just slowed down on that. Basically

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a miracle.

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Speaker 5: Charge.

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Speaker 2: You thought you needed a good.

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Speaker 11: Soul and soul preacher, Well I got a soul preacher

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that flies like your soul.

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Speaker 2: I forgot there was a black preacher that was flying

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around his congregation. This is pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: Come on down the.

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Speaker 23: Circus of power Mega meg a church where the black

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preachers fly. Like I said, there's gonna be my own

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nuclear facility. That's right, it's a specific.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't think of anywhere else that Randy could branch

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off into business, right, so I thought, maybe he gets

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into nuclear energy in the Middle East.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like that sounds like some kind of venture

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he would get involved in with, like I don't know

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the idef or something, right, clear Christian Nuclear facility.

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Speaker 23: Look at these cool guys they're playing in the band

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at the new facilities.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 23: It's a specifically new project that I've put together with

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John Hagey and together with Cornerstone Church.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go to the Middle East.

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Speaker 12: And take a light a whole.

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Speaker 23: It don't gotta make no sense, but it's gonna be great. Well,

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we'll be sure to clean up ourm Lso I promise,

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just come to church.

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Speaker 2: Like those royalty free house vibes that we got going

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there in the background. Up Brandy's megachurch church Mega excuse me,

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mega megachurch, because it's not a megachurch. It's a mega megachurch.

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It's like a meta level above megachurch for those that

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don't know. All right now, y'all have already been completely generous.

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I've got enough money right now that the whole Seed

481
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Blessing Ministry could just retire for the day. Oh my goodness,

482
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oh my goodness, We've already made today's offering, friends, But

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I'm going to keep going because I love you son,

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I love your son, I love your daughters, I love

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all y'all my Children's just come to my private trailer

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out back where I get them, where I get my

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makeup put on my private makeup trailer. Especially, all you

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ladies come on out back and let me give you

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some private ministries. Now you think I'm joking, but you're

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gonna notice there seems to be a pattern when it

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comes to a lot of megachurch ministries. We'll get into

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that in a moment. However, as I understand that we

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have a couple of people who would like to come

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to debate today, I see Aaron in the chat. I'm

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gonna give Aaron Butler the first this opportunity because he

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requested first, so he can come speak, and then anybody

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else is allowed to open it up with your topic

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and bring the heat. Aaron, are you there? I've been

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sending you the link.

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Speaker 13: Dog.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me you're gonna run away now. You said

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you were coming. Where you at?

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Speaker 1: Dog?

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Speaker 2: Aaron? What's up?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: I see you in the chat. You're there. What's up? Aeron?

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You said we're bootlookers. Let's do it. Let's let's have

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this discussion. Aaron is an independent researcher. I'm being nice,

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not mean.

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Speaker 13: Hell.

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Speaker 8: Hello, can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sir, what's up, dude?

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Speaker 8: Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 20: So, so there was a couple comments that I had made,

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and it was just like you know, in general to

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some some of the people in your comments, and then

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there was a couple to you.

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Speaker 8: What what specifically were you trying to debate?

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Speaker 2: Uh, well, you said that we're boot liquors or something

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to that effect.

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Speaker 20: So I mean, you tell me, well, it's essentially it's

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like I think, I think what I said to you

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directly was like, you know, most Christians, like all they

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do is sit here and argue about anything, all this

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scripture and all these you debate all these different religions,

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but you don't really talk about like practical information or morality,

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which is like the foundation.

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Speaker 8: Of like many of these religious religions.

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Speaker 20: You know, Like I don't I don't hear any of

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you debaters or anyone out here talking about like you know,

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moral objective morality, like trying to teach people like practical information.

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Speaker 8: It's mostly just like scriptural debates. So that's that's what

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I was kind of saying.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, our morals are based on the scriptural text,

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so well.

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Speaker 20: Right, right, But but that's like for you, like I'm

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saying like that's kind of subjective because you're basing them

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off of like a written text by written by other people.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, would be would be objective not subjective.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So.

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Speaker 20: Essentially what you're saying is that you you believe it,

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like like you can't put it in your own words,

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is what I'm saying, Like, can you say say these

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things objectively?

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Speaker 4: Like what morals are?

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Speaker 8: Like what rights are?

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Speaker 2: Have you never listened to anything that I do or

548
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talked about that? Are you completely well?

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Speaker 20: Actually, it just seems like you argue a bunch of

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people about different religions, but you don't actually talk about

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like what the morals are you're speaking of, like what

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the wrong behavior? Like like it guess like this, if

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I could sum it up, it would be like you

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say you're Orthodox, but like I don't see how that

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translates into like advice for other people, Like okay, like

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you know if.

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Speaker 8: You if Orthodox? You know, because I heard that you

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say one time you're a monarchist? Is that correct?

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Speaker 20: Like you believe like you know, so you believe in

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the legitimacy of like a government, except it's ruled by

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like a king or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that that's the right or the best

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form of government.

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Speaker 20: Right, right, So you believe that like a king should

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tell everyone else what to do, like just like Boston around,

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Like how how Christ was crucified.

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Speaker 2: By like around? That's arbitrary, correct, So that's not.

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Speaker 8: An objective morality.

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Speaker 20: It's not objectively true that that a king has the

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right to murder other people.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever listened to any of my debates?

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Speaker 8: Well, I've listened. Like I said, I can't like nothing.

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Speaker 2: What you're all.

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Speaker 20: You're what you're saying is subjective and it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: Like you are, So you haven't because I literally I

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was joking about the king being arbitrary. Obviously a king

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can't just be arbitrary.

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Speaker 8: I would say, well, it is by nature arbitrary.

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Speaker 2: Have no idea what you're talking about. And you've not

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listened to any debates because I always argue for objective

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morality versus relativism.

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Speaker 20: Yes, Jay, you say objective morality, but what you preach

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and you contradict yourself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, where where's the contradiction?

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Speaker 20: So you say that morals are objective, but then you

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say that a government has the right to tell other

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people and murder them and dictate.

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Speaker 8: Law like a god.

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Speaker 2: No, the king has limitations, just like the bishop or

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the church has limitations. What is that if?

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Speaker 8: Okay? And what are those what are those based off of?

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What are those limits?

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Speaker 2: Divine revelation first and foremost.

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Speaker 8: So as long as they say it was divine, you know, revealed.

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Speaker 2: Divine saying it, it's a matter of the historical, traditional

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and repretation of the text. That's why there's always been

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symphonia in the Church and in Christian countries.

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Speaker 20: So for the first three hundred years of the Christian Church,

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how they just said, you know, you can't be a.

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Speaker 8: Christian and murdered everyone and torture them.

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Speaker 20: And then all of a sudden they do the script

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flip and say, oh, you know, the government changed our mind.

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We're wrong, We're going to be Christians now, and then

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that's all the end of the story.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, So that was before the Christianizing of the

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Roman Empire, and after it became Christian, it adopted Christian

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principles like you see in Theodosia's the Emperor and what

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you see in the in the Code of Justinian.

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Speaker 20: Okay, So okay, So what you're saying is that the

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Christian or the Roman government. After adopting Christianity, they started,

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you know, abiding by Christian law?

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Speaker 8: Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 20: So is they abide by Christian law like you know?

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And forgive me on some of the time the time

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scale is.

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Speaker 2: Some of this And I'm like, right, so you do

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have no knowledge limitation?

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Speaker 8: I thought, real quick, just real quick.

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Speaker 20: So if we could both like agree like on some

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type of Christian principle, it would be like, if you

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want other people to treat you a certain way, you

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should treat them a certain way, like do unto others

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as they would have done to you. I guess that's

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kind of a paraphrase. I don't remember the exact versions.

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That makes sense, like a reciprocal natural.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not trying to be rude to you, but

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you are approaching this issue with the level of knowledge

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of about a thirteen year old or a fourteen year old.

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So how did you think that you would have been

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able to debate this? Why did you think you would

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be able to delide this?

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Speaker 8: No, Jay, you're not yea, what is a right?

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Speaker 13: Like?

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Speaker 20: You guys don't are you? Guys aren't talking about morality?

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You guys are not talking about rights. You call yourselves

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all Christians, but you don't say shit when it comes

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to like real you know, like morality.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, you have not listened to any You've

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not listened to any of the debates that I do,

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because I bring this up frequently against atheists, against Matt

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della Hunty, against any of the Muslims where we get

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into more issues. I mean, this has come up countless time,

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So you don't have any prior knowledge. I don't guess

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of the debates that I've actually done, because you would

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know that that comes up all the time. And then

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you're saying, but you're just arguing the scriptures. But the

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texts of the scriptures are for us an objective historic

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revelation which guides our morals. So why is that so

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hard to understand?

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Speaker 8: Because what you're saying is that you listen, listen.

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Speaker 20: You call yourself a Christian, right, but you're not actually

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helping teach other people like the things that Christ would teach.

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Speaker 2: You have no understand I don't believe that you have

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any understanding of any of that or what Christ teaches.

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You've demonstrated zero to little understanding of it. Because you're

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assuming that it's a lowest common nominator, reduce it to

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love your neighbor as yourself. Well, there's a lot more

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involved in that. For example, there's principles, indiviond revelation about

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the governance of the state, but you don't even seem

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to be aware of that.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, my kingdom is not of this world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it entered this world in the First Advent.

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So you don't even understand the passages that you're you're

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just citing passages like libertarian site with no knowledge of

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what those passages are about. The kingdom was set up

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in the first Advent if you're read Daniel, so you

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don't know what's in the book of Daniel, right. The

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most famous prophecies of the Messiah Daniel too. Daniel nine.

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It talks about when he comes the kingdom is set up,

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and in Daniel two it predicts that the empire under

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which he is born will convert and become part of

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that Kingdom of the Messiah. That's the Roman Empire. And

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guess what, within a few a few hundred years of

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his coming, that empire converts and becomes Orthodox Christians.

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Speaker 1: So so.

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Speaker 8: Your version of Christianity.

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Speaker 2: Is that my verse?

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean it's it's it's you know, you call

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yourself orthodox, you're debating Catholic.

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Speaker 2: I call myself that. Do you not? You don't think

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that's a real thing. You think something that has made

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this up? I mean, what do you mean I call

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myself that is that? You don't think that's a thing?

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Speaker 8: No, I definitely understand that it's a thing.

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Speaker 20: All I'm saying is that it's based off of your

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interpretation of this book that can be interpreted that's false.

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Speaker 2: So now you've now you've engaged in a fallacy. Because

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this is a fallacy. I'm not going to let you

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run while with a fallacy. Because people have different interpretations

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of stuff. It does not follow from that that no

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one has the right interpretation or no one knows the

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right interpretation. That'd be like saying, because someone disagrees about

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two plus two equally four, no one can know nor

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does it equal for do you see how that's a fallacy? Okay,

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and do you see how that's a fallacy. Just see,

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This is why I don't I interrupt you. People would

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agree This is why I interrupt people, because they blow

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pastuff when they get called down on fallacies and they

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want to just ignore it. You don't get to come

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to a debay. Okay, fine, let.

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Speaker 8: Me finish that, please, I will. I will agree with

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you that just.

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Speaker 20: Because everyone has you know, similar, different or differing viewpoints,

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that it doesn't mean that you perspective is incorrect.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with you than that argument that you

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gave it is a element.

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Speaker 13: So okay, okay.

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Speaker 20: So my argument is that in what I said a

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second ago, is that, like you know, it seems to

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me that the Christian perspective is that you know, we're

712
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all sovereign individuals.

713
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Speaker 2: No, you're just assuming that Christianity is basic bitch Enlightenment libertarianism,

714
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and it's.

715
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Speaker 8: Not okay, And you're assuming that you have the right

716
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belief because.

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Speaker 2: I can demonstrated the dogma, the.

718
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Speaker 20: Tradition, you know, the people in your faith that have

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approved certain texts.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not my appeal. I'm appealing to the history

721
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of the Church, the prophetic text and scripture that talk

722
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about the conversion of the Roman Empire. That text in

723
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Daniel refutes the very first argument you made that my

724
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kingdom is not of this world. And you're just saying

725
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that because the state converted to Christianity, that now it's

726
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just arbitrary that the state can do whatever it wants.

727
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,079
I never said the sake could do whatever whatever it wants,

728
00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:57,840
except when I was joking with you that the king

729
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,599
can do whatever he wants. I don't believe that Roman's

730
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thirteen calls the emperor a Dacinos. That's a minister of God.

731
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Do you believe that the state or the minister of

732
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God can have that role.

733
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Speaker 20: I do not believe that the government or any authority

734
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gets to just rule.

735
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Speaker 8: Over people like you.

736
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Speaker 2: CHRISA. Then you don't believe the Bible, so you're not

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a Christian. Correct.

738
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Speaker 20: I don't believe shit because people tell me it's true.

739
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Speaker 2: Jay, Well, actually you do, because everybody can be demonstrated

740
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,679
to believe some things on pure authority. You want me

741
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to show you how.

742
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Speaker 8: What I'm saying is that, like, please explain, Go ahead.

743
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all kinds of things that that all of

744
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,960
us believe purely on the basis of authority. For example,

745
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:46,679
we don't have the ability all of us to go

746
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,920
and verify every single h scientific claim or every single

747
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,719
journal's claim correct. But many of those things we take

748
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,800
on reasonable authority, okay, sure, okay, So then that nowadays

749
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,760
what you just said, you said you don't believe anything

750
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,159
on pure authority, But I just gave examples of sure we.

751
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 20: All do, okay, and so as far as evidence, and

752
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:10,599
you know, just like believing things.

753
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Speaker 8: What it seems that the Orthodox Church does is saying.

754
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Speaker 20: Don't rely on yourself and your experience, which is what

755
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the early Christians were doing and talking about.

756
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Speaker 2: Okay, where do you have that? Where you're getting that from?

757
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 20: Just just simple understanding of different Like the category of

758
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,800
gnosticism is that they were focusing nostics.

759
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Speaker 2: That's not really Christians.

760
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Speaker 8: See you say heretics.

761
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 20: Do guess what Christians were heretics before the Roman government

762
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said that they.

763
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Speaker 8: Could It was leaving.

764
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Speaker 2: What makes them heretics is not what the States says.

765
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It's whether they deviate. It does, No, it doesn't, it's

766
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what deviates from Alpas, stop interrupting me. Paul talks about

767
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:51,000
the Gnostics to the to the the Epistles of Timothy.

768
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The gnostics, he calls them heretics, those who are outside

769
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the communion. He says that those who seek the gnosis

770
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or the knowledge, that's the first reference to the Gnostics

771
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,519
in Paul's letters to Timothy their heretics because they divide

772
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from the Apostolic teaching. It's nothing to do with the state.

773
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,000
At that point, Jay, why are you repeating my name?

774
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,679
You have no knowledge of these topics. You're completely ignorant,

775
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,719
and you're citing novelg It's it's not it's.

776
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Speaker 8: Not true that there were you know all these.

777
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Speaker 2: Dude, all of you have no knowledge of. Why are

778
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,079
you debating a topic you have zero knowledge of. That's

779
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:30,159
the foolishness on your part. Jay, Why are you repeating I'm.

780
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 8: Not I'm not a person that is so inculcated.

781
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,639
Speaker 2: You have no but you have no knowledge. You have

782
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,440
zero knowledge of the topic. That's the point.

783
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Speaker 20: I have knowledge that Christians are basically state bootlegers, and

784
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:44,559
that's what it is.

785
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Speaker 2: Jay, again, I'm giving you how could they be state

786
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,239
bootleckers if for the first three centuries they were persecuted

787
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according to your own testimony.

788
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Speaker 20: Because we all approve of you know, like you cited

789
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,239
rome As thirteen basically because Paul wrote it down and

790
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,519
it's been passed you.

791
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Speaker 2: You didn't even hear what I said, You didn't. You

792
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,280
just contradicted yourself you didn't hear what I said. You

793
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,119
said Christians are boot liquors. I just said for the

794
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,360
first three centuries they were persecuted by the state. According

795
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,880
to your admission, they weren't an Austics by the way,

796
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,719
they were the actual Orthodox Catholic Christians that were persecuted.

797
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,719
So how could they be state bootlookers if they were

798
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persecuted according to your own testimony, not.

799
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Speaker 20: All of the early Christians were Orthodox or cat or Orthodox.

800
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Speaker 2: Well, regardless, the ones that you're talking about were not persecuted.

801
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,119
The ones that were Orthodox Catholics were persecuted.

802
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Speaker 8: Yes, I agree.

803
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:46,159
Speaker 2: Then that refutes your point. Well, no, we're not boot lickers. Yeah,

804
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:47,639
you said Christians are boot lickers.

805
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,639
Speaker 20: So someone who believes that one man should be a

806
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king and rule over others, that's not boot licking.

807
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Speaker 2: Have you read the Bible again? Do you know how

808
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,039
many times in the Book of Proverbs it talks about

809
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,320
a righteous king and that God sets the king over

810
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,599
a people, and that Roman Romans thirteen calls the king

811
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a diaconost. Do you know what a diaconos is? It's

812
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,559
a minister. Okay, So you don't and you don't believe that.

813
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,800
So now you're saying, well, Paul wrote that down, So

814
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I don't believe well Paul's writing what was what was

815
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,159
consistent with the prior teaching in proverbs.

816
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Speaker 8: I didn't say that because Paul wrote it that it

817
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:19,960
was Okay.

818
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,599
Speaker 2: No, you said that. You said that, you said that,

819
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:24,480
we believe it, just calls Paul wrote it down.

820
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,519
Speaker 20: Okay, you believe it because something must be wrong with

821
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:30,079
your head.

822
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: I mean literally, dude, you can't even do basic argumentation.

823
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,320
You've already made multiple contradictions. You're the one that has

824
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,000
things wrong with his head. You don't know the basics.

825
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,559
You can't argue, you can't debate, you don't know what

826
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,559
a fallacy is. And you're saying that I've got something

827
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:44,159
wrong with my head. Dude, you've already been demolished. What

828
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:44,880
are you talking about.

829
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,519
Speaker 8: You're gonna try to steamroll me with all of your.

830
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,679
Speaker 2: Intellectual Okay, so yeah, so it's just so it's not

831
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,840
an actual fallacy, even though you admitted that you made

832
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,440
a bad argument, and now you're just accusing me of

833
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,880
steam rolling you when you already said you made bad arguments.

834
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 8: You call yourself a Christian, so now.

835
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: It's those are not homonyms. So those you know what

836
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,039
a no true Scotsman fallacy is? See you keep going on,

837
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,239
do you know what a no true Scotsman fallacy is?

838
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,960
And now you're making it personal debates stuff? Yeah, that's

839
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,239
how you.

840
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 20: Yeah.

841
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,599
Speaker 2: So the only the only way to decide between true

842
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,119
and false positions is the law of laws, of logic

843
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:16,920
and critical thinking.

844
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,119
Speaker 20: You don't know that, Okay, logic and critical thinking means

845
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:25,079
that you are you are consistent, You're not contradicting yourself. However,

846
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,440
you you profess like like you know, do the law

847
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,440
and the profits right doing to others as you would

848
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,039
have known it to you.

849
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: However, chance you know, you can't even you can't even

850
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,599
put your sentences together. Man, You're an embarrassment. This is

851
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:41,199
what you get with libertarians. I'm glad that you came

852
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,119
Thank you. I'm not taking orthodox requests today. I'm taking

853
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,440
people who disagree. That was literally one of the stupidest

854
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,199
debates I've ever read. There you go with libertarianism. I'm

855
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,800
glad that libertarian actually came on, though I don't know

856
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,599
who was worse his position and or not so erudite

857
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:59,960
and by the way, Notzsa aeradite. Is gonna come on

858
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,320
to debate. That's gonna be a lot of fun.

859
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,639
Speaker 8: How's it going, Jay?

860
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 2: Good? If you're here to ask me, are you the

861
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,400
guy that's going to ask about Job's witnesses we're not

862
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,840
talking about. Do you see that in the discussion today?

863
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll just leave then, I mean, what do

864
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:17,760
you mean?

865
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,679
Speaker 2: What the hell? Why do you keep asking me about this?

866
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,480
I've given you multiple links about Jeb's witnesses, So what

867
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:23,960
do you mean what that?

868
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 24: No?

869
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, this is this is something different.

870
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 25: I want to argue as a Jehovah's witness, the Jehovah's witness,

871
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,480
because I would love to see it defeated.

872
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:36,079
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

873
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,559
Speaker 2: I gave you the links to that. It's not the

874
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:40,480
discussion today.

875
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,159
Speaker 4: What where did you give me these links?

876
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,679
Speaker 2: Publicly? On Twitter? I said, here, check this.

877
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 8: Out, all right?

878
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,159
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't see these. They're not in my

879
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:55,760
notifications or anything.

880
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:56,199
Speaker 1: Uh.

881
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,119
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, my bad, dude. I wanted to

882
00:50:59,519 --> 00:50:59,800
see this.

883
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:03,119
Speaker 2: Go ahead.

884
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,079
Speaker 25: Okay, So I know the burden of proof rests upon

885
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,440
me to say this, and as I would just like

886
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,639
to say, I'm a niceen Christian.

887
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:16,039
Speaker 4: These are not my actual beliefs or anything, but.

888
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 25: The position would be that many of the proof texts

889
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:26,800
used to grant Jesus divinity are actually misinterpreted.

890
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: And I give you multiple links to multiple lectures and

891
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:34,719
talks about the Old Testament, Theophanes, and even the New

892
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,679
World Translations still includes references to the Theophanes, to Yahweh,

893
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,440
and to the Angel of the Lord. So I'm sorry

894
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,079
that you missed those links, but I gave you all

895
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:45,599
those I'm not going to be read too. It's just

896
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,840
like every time I do the live streams and I

897
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,719
say what the topics are, and you guys come on

898
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,519
not about the topics.

899
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,039
Speaker 4: So are you not Evangelicalism or Protestantism.

900
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,639
Speaker 2: Joe's Witnesses are not Evangelicals, nor are they Protestants.

901
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,159
Speaker 4: I mean they're not Christians to begin with with you exactly.

902
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,119
Speaker 2: So if it was a day for cults and sex,

903
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,760
then it would have been fine. And I'm not trying

904
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,320
to be rude to you and don't play the victim,

905
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,719
because I've replied to you and been friendly to you

906
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,480
in every exchange that we've had. It's just annoying to

907
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:18,920
me when people come on and it's not the topic.

908
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 4: I don't know why people do that, Like, I'm literally

909
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,239
looking at my mentions. It's not anywhere in here.

910
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: Okay, well, maybe there's a there was another, dude, perhaps,

911
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,920
where I linked the three hour talk about Jesus and

912
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,199
the Trinity in the Old Testament, I linked another talk

913
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,360
where I go through the entire Torah on references to

914
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,239
the triad and to the deed of Christ and the

915
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,599
Old Testament. So let me restate that there are dozens

916
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,320
of references to the Angel of the Lord in the

917
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,760
Old Testament, being the manifestation of Yahweh, the Angel of Yahweh,

918
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,039
the Son of Yahweh, the glory of Yahweh, on and

919
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:54,119
on and on the face of Yahweh distinguished from Yahweh.

920
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:56,599
So that right there is enough to disprove all of

921
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:57,599
Joe's witness stuff.

922
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: Hey, hey, I agree with you, you know what I mean.

923
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,639
Speaker 2: But okay, so again, to go to those references, which

924
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:08,360
are also in the New World Translation, is enough to

925
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:09,679
refute Joe's witnesses.

926
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 25: Okay, I mean I thought you were gonna, like, let

927
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,360
me give the like argument or whatever, But I mean,

928
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,039
I agree with you.

929
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 8: That that does refute it.

930
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: But okay, go ahead.

931
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:25,679
Speaker 25: I mean, okay, So the argument would be that the

932
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,519
Angel of the Lord right is not the same as God,

933
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,000
even though it is called Yahweh, it's a messenger of Yahweh.

934
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 4: Sometimes messengers are called by the name of the King.

935
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, the Muslim argument again, man, we

936
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:43,400
address this like probably fifty times. I'm not trying to

937
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,519
be read to you, man, but like, just go watch

938
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,239
the DNA lectures that I told you to watch. Mikey.

939
00:53:48,320 --> 00:54:02,199
What's up, Mikey.

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Speaker 13: I'm mute, ad. I just have like a couple of questions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so.

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Speaker 13: I'm Christian, but these are just like things that haven't

943
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causing me dunce.

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Speaker 20: I guess.

945
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Speaker 13: I guess the first one would be, like, uh, fossils

946
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that are that to do with evolution?

947
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Speaker 2: Again, I don't know what's wrong with you people today.

948
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,760
What do you see the title? I mean, this is

949
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,199
just ridiculous. I think that people are trolling me, like

950
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,760
it's gotta be what's going on? If I specify it's

951
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the Open Atheist Evolution Debate Day, then it's open Evolution

952
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Debate Day. It's giant bold text listed as to what

953
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we're discussing today. Oh my gosh, it drives me crazy

954
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,760
when this happens like people, and I know they're doing

955
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,199
this probably just to troll me now because I know

956
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,679
it's annoying. And then then every is gonna whine and

957
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,760
bitch that I mean, I'm not mean. It's specified as

958
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,280
to what we're talking about today. It is not cult day,

959
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:14,280
it's not Mormon day. It literally says evangelical, Catholic orthodox.

960
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That's it. In every topic that these people ask the

961
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one hundredth time about, it's already been dealt with like

962
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,599
a hundred times on my channel. Man, please do not

963
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:32,079
ask me about PSA one more freaking PSA question, and

964
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:35,400
I'm gonna lose my mind when I've made how many

965
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live streams and videos about PSA and Calvinism and predestination.

966
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It's just like, dude, I can't answer the question for

967
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,320
the fiftieth thousandth time. It just drives me crazy. And

968
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why does nobody just go look up the video like

969
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,920
it's right here, look Trinity and know that dumb Joba's

970
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,000
witness argument doesn't work. To say it's the Mormon argument,

971
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I mean, it's the Muslim argument. Well, it's a messenger. No,

972
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the Angel is worshiped and identified. It's not just a

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messenger we that represents it. He receives worship. Angels can't

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be worshiped. Scripture says that six years ago is Jesus God.

975
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,079
The Trinity is God at Trinity response to critics right there, Okay,

976
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:26,679
Trinity in the Old Testament right here. It's not just

977
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a matter of is this being called Angel of the Lord? Okay.

978
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Leviticus nine has the glory of God manifesting in time

979
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and space. God's glory is not a creature. God does

980
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not give his glory to another. Right. Angels can't pardon

981
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:50,079
your sin Genesis forty nine. The Angel pardons and redeems

982
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,599
Exodus three Exous twenty three. The Angel the Lord has

983
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:55,559
the name of Yahweh in him and can pardon or

984
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,920
not pardon sins. So it's not just a created angelic messenger.

985
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And it's a argument that we've rebutted about one hundred

986
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,039
times from one hundred Muslims and one hundred different anti

987
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,199
Trinitarian idiots. And that's why I make the lectures so

988
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,679
that you can go watch them. And I did literally

989
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unless there was another there might have been a different

990
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,840
dude asking the same question, which is possible. But I

991
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,719
did link this talk and the turn of the Old

992
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,719
Testament talks. So guys, I make these talks so that

993
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,639
you can go do it so that I don't have

994
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,360
to answer this argument for one hundred times in a

995
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row or PSA one hundred times. I'm done. I'm done

996
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,119
answering PSA questions like how many times does it have

997
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:42,239
to be done? Is everybody just so lazy they can't

998
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:54,159
go look it up? Like there's a million videos of this? Jesse, Hey,

999
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:54,480
what's so?

1000
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Speaker 1: Jake?

1001
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: Hey, hey man, what are your thoughts?

1002
00:57:58,519 --> 00:57:59,599
Speaker 12: Hopefully this is on topic?

1003
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Speaker 8: What are your thoughts on like the whole speaking in

1004
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,760
tongue you want to keep working? Yeah, speaking in tongues

1005
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like in evangelicalism.

1006
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Speaker 2: No, it's obviously we've addressed that probably fifty times. It's

1007
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,119
tongues or languages not gibberish.

1008
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:16,639
Speaker 15: Okay.

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Speaker 26: And then does the Orthodox Uh do they deny that,

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00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,559
like any of that action is like actually of God,

1011
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:25,519
I'm assuming they do.

1012
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, That's that's an action of the spirit of retardation

1013
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:32,159
for sure.

1014
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 12: For sure, So what are your thoughts?

1015
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 8: Maybe you don't have to answer this because I don't

1016
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,119
need you to defend it, but with Catholics saying that

1017
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:40,760
there's like.

1018
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:47,599
Speaker 20: Attestations within the history of like Roman Catholics speaking.

1019
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: In tongues and all that nonsense. Again in the Book

1020
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,159
of Acts and Acts two, this is a miracle where

1021
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:58,960
people are hearing the Gospel in their native tongue and

1022
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,079
the apostle are speaking their language. There's nothing at all

1023
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:08,079
to do with gibberish and acting like an idiot. There's

1024
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:10,880
nothing to do with holy laughter and rolling around like

1025
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,679
all the charismatics too. It's literally a gift of languages.

1026
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,559
That is the reversal of Babel. And that's why it

1027
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:21,679
Acts two. It's a fulfillment of what's in the Book

1028
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,639
of Isaiah. So Isaiah has a prophecy that the Jews

1029
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:30,679
will hear at this pouring out of the spirit the

1030
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,599
message of the Gospel Acts. This is Isaiah twenty eight

1031
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,760
and twenty nine, and particularly twenty nine. You have this

1032
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,840
prophecy that when the Messiah comes, there will be this manifestation.

1033
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,599
Literally nothing to do with gibberish. Nothing. And by the way,

1034
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:50,960
the Church already condemned charismaticism and pentecostalism when it condemned Montanism.

1035
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Speaker 8: Break that down.

1036
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the second century heresy of charismaticism.

1037
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Speaker 13: Hell yeah, appreciate that, man.

1038
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:11,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Isaiah twenty nine, and it's a little different

1039
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between I think this is the same in the Masoretic

1040
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:27,039
texts versus the Orthodox study Bible. But there's a prediction

1041
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:32,840
of the apostles speaking in a in a miraculous way,

1042
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,679
and then the Jews do not hear it. They harden

1043
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,760
their hearts and they fall back and stumble. So that's

1044
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:44,280
again something. No one references this in regard to Pentecost,

1045
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,159
even though it's obviously talking about Pentecost, because people are

1046
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:50,440
just ignorant of the text. They don't know what these

1047
01:00:50,840 --> 01:01:24,440
texts are about. Garrison, go ahead, my gosh, go ahead, men,

1048
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:46,840
what's up? I'm mute? What's on your mind?

1049
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 27: My name is with us on?

1050
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 7: What is.

1051
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 6: My name is?

1052
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: Mud?

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: Get out of here, Garrison. M okay, it's Isaiah twenty eight, ten,

1054
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:28,280
and eleven. Are you there? No, you're cutting out, that's

1055
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:35,679
what you said. Go getting their cell tower and fry brain.

1056
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,840
What's up? Fabi, Jean, I'm just joking.

1057
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, hey, hey, j you do you hear me?

1058
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:46,159
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1059
01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 7: So I'm a Roman Catholic and I attended Orthodox Divine

1060
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,639
Liturgy today.

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01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,159
Speaker 13: For the first time.

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01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: Well that what's on your mind, and I just want.

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Speaker 7: To share like my thoughts about it. Like I was

1064
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:13,960
so in a doubt for really a long time. I

1065
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:20,960
mean I was like convinced about orthodox yourself. But I

1066
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:26,159
know that you guys have like that you don't believe that.

1067
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,360
It's that if I have to be saved, I have

1068
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,559
to be in an Orthodox church, right, So I thought

1069
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:39,400
that I have to like I can practice Catholicism or

1070
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:46,159
so and like gone that it will be enough. But yeah,

1071
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:52,360
it got to the point where like I couldn't do

1072
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,159
it anymore. Man, And I have to say like thank

1073
01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:59,320
you to you because you you want to beware like

1074
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,880
first person who introduced me to Orthodoxy.

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Speaker 2: So really I appreciate that. Well thanks man, I appreciate that.

1076
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:10,079
I appreciate your kind words. And I'm glad you checked

1077
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,000
out your first liturgy. And you know that's what we

1078
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:13,880
always tell people, is like you got to go, you know,

1079
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:15,960
check it out. You can't just think about it in

1080
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:16,920
like an academic way.

1081
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 9: Glove, Hey Jake here you okay, uh, yeah, I'm Orthodox

1082
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,960
and I obviously believe the Angel of the Lord is

1083
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:34,400
Jesus himself.

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01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 28: But I'm sure you've seen that Roan Cathleys have responded

1085
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:43,079
to your objections, and I wonder how you would respond

1086
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:47,280
to the argument that the angel the Lord. People bowed

1087
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,920
down to it, because it's like, you know, I saw

1088
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:51,960
Wagner make that argument that.

1089
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: The use this identifies himself as that being. This is

1090
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,960
so stupid. Has no one read John five to nine?

1091
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,599
Who who is Moses eating with? Is God himself?

1092
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:08,639
Speaker 8: I mean, I understand that it's God himself.

1093
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:10,599
Speaker 13: I'm just asking how does.

1094
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:13,039
Speaker 2: What do you mean by God himself? Didn't the Father eats.

1095
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 8: No, I'm not saying it's so when.

1096
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,679
Speaker 2: Jesus said, when Jesus says that Abraham believed in him,

1097
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:25,039
and when Jesus talks about being face to face with Moses.

1098
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,360
According to Paul and sewo Corinthians three, if no one

1099
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,760
sees the father who is Abraham or Moses eating with,

1100
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,880
it is the son who is Jacob wrestling with according

1101
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,880
to Jesus and John one the son. Okay, So I

1102
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,119
mean that alone shows that these Roman Cawtholics are stupid. Yeah,

1103
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:51,400
I agree, Yeah, okay? Does the angel have ability to

1104
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:57,119
remit sins? No, okay. So Genesis forty nine, the Angel

1105
01:05:57,159 --> 01:06:01,960
Lord redeems Exodus three excess twenty three, he forgives sins.

1106
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:06,800
So the Angel Lord is not an angel. Yep, yeah,

1107
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,280
I agree with that to you yet, okay, so how

1108
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,840
does how does anything that these idiots are saying refute that?

1109
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 28: No, I'm I understanding that's the argument that they had

1110
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:16,760
come up.

1111
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: It's a dumb arm I also don't buy that argument.

1112
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:19,639
Speaker 8: I think it's also.

1113
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:20,199
Speaker 13: Pretty dumb too.

1114
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,599
Speaker 2: Leviticus nine, you have the glory of the Lord. Let's

1115
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:25,719
just set aside Angel the Lord for a minute. The

1116
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,639
glory of the Lord manifest to all of Israel is

1117
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:30,960
God's glory a creature?

1118
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: Uh No?

1119
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,719
Speaker 2: Right, So there's no way for any Roman Catholic to

1120
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,880
make the glory cloud in Leviticus nine a created thing,

1121
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,320
because that then God is saying that we can worship

1122
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:46,639
and call his glory a creature.

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Speaker 12: Yep.

1124
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'd agree with those arguments. Yet, thanks you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, I asked him to come

1126
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,280
debate and he said no, he said, just make a

1127
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,519
video respond to me. They don't want to be pressed

1128
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,840
on these issues because guess what, they don't know the scriptures.

1129
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,559
Last thing Thomas care about is the scriptures. They worship

1130
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:16,559
a metaphysical system and a giant complex, you know, conceptual thing,

1131
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:21,320
and they don't care if it goes against what's in

1132
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,079
divine revelation, because divine revelation submits to it must be

1133
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:28,360
squeezed into the Tomistic cult. And that's why if they were.

1134
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:30,559
By the way, we've had the Thomas call in and

1135
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:33,840
try to argue a theophanies and they collapse within about

1136
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:38,159
three minutes. Everyone that's called in to debate those And

1137
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,199
what argument are they making? Oh, all of the Mormon

1138
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,920
isssume me, all of the Muslim and anti Trinitarian Joe's

1139
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,920
witness arguments isn't interesting? So that where do the Thomas

1140
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:52,159
flee to freakin Muslim Chobe's witness arguments? What does that

1141
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,400
tell you? They're a stupid cult? Why can you guys

1142
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:03,920
not see this? There's dozens and dozens of references to

1143
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:07,159
the Son of Man as the Angel Lord the Old

1144
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:10,480
Testament Ezekiel one through eleven. I did an entire lecture

1145
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,880
just on Ezekiel one through eleven, and how Revelation wanted

1146
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,760
two identifies that as Jesus. But these retorts have no

1147
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,479
knowledge of the scriptures. They only care about their fat prophet,

1148
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,319
Saint thalmut Aquinas, and that's why they're too scared to debate,

1149
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:41,800
because they're mentally ill. Spergs. Yep, I hope this isn't

1150
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:42,840
a catch accuting question.

1151
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 26: So I heard you speak about how the vast majority

1152
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,199
of the church at falling into arianism.

1153
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:52,319
Speaker 2: Am I correct?

1154
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:53,359
Speaker 20: That's a point of time.

1155
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,520
Speaker 2: Yes, in the fourth century the majority of the church

1156
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was semi arian.

1157
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Speaker 26: Okay. So I was wondering, well, you know the statement

1158
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,359
that the gates of Hades will not prevail against the church,

1159
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and I guess that.

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Speaker 15: Means that the church won't fall into error as a whole.

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Speaker 2: Correct, means there will always be Orthodox bishops that maintain

1162
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,760
the faith, even if a majority of the bishops succumbs

1163
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to heresy. You can never stamp out the Apostolic succession,

1164
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is what that means? Okay, there's no promise of a

1165
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:32,119
six or there's no promise of only Rome. Right, that's

1166
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:39,239
all the bull crap that these goobers promote. Okay, thank you,

1167
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:39,520
I know.

1168
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Speaker 15: I have one more question.

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Speaker 26: So I was told that ecumenical councils no longer occur

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due to the Greek schism.

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Speaker 2: Is this true? In the Orthodox perspective? We've had pan

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Orthodox synods that are eventually received into being normative and

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authoritative for us. So the eighth and Ninth Councils, the

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Palomite Sinots or the nine, and then we have we

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have a post Palamite Synod. You know, letters of the

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Patriarchates and et cetera that have been accepted and that

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our normative make lying wrong again? By the way, all

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of the Thomists stupid stuff and their meltdowns, this is

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stuff that I left Tomism over ten years ago or more.

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So you need to realize that what the dumb dumbs

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are debating on the internet, we already went through and

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worked through all this ten to fifteen years ago. I'm

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not saying that makes me special, but been there, done that? Dude?

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What's up? Make lying great again? What's up? Did you

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make thim wrong again? Is this a joke?

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Speaker 15: Man? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: I was making a joke. Go ahead.

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Speaker 29: When you when you compare Evangelical Catholic Orthodox, do they do?

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They all share a belief in a physical resurrection of

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the deceased body of Jesus after three days or are

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their variations on that.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 2: I think pretty much everybody confessionally speaking, believes that.

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Speaker 29: Okay, And do they have a view on the details

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of how you know a dead body at that stage

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of decomposition could be reanimated, like was it frozen on

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day zero or was it unfrozen on day three?

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Speaker 2: We don't think that it can decomposed at all?

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Speaker 15: Got it?

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Speaker 8: So the miracle actually happened right away?

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Speaker 9: I see?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, As David says, he saw no corruption, which means

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that his physical body did not engage in any decomposition

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because he was not under original sin.

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Speaker 7: I see.

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Speaker 8: Okay.

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Speaker 29: So the bacteria in the body, the enzymes and the cells,

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the lack of oxygen to the brain, or moisture in

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the eyes, all those things just ceased on day zero.

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Speaker 4: Actually, yes, got it?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, muscular got on mute.

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Speaker 26: Sorry.

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Speaker 27: I have a question at the second King's if you

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remember that the Angel of the Lord lend out a

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death one hundred and eighty five thousand in the Syrian camp?

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Is that Jesus or the archangel Michaels.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would tend to think it's Jesus, because

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if you go, let me finish, if you progress. Doesn't

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this end with the threshing floor of Orning? Hello? Yes,

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I asked the question.

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Speaker 27: Stories like midnight here in jail.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is uh I think that doesn't

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this conclude with gosh stupid things not working?

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Speaker 1: M h.

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Speaker 2: This one second? Yes, if you look at the conclusion

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in the first Chronicles, the angel the Lord appears and

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it appears to be also a reference to Christ, I

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would I would, I would think that this is Christ

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to the way that the appearance occurs with the threshing

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floor of warning. What I mean, It's possible that some

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of these manifestations are just Michael or Gabriel too, because

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sometimes sometimes the the context is does it's not as

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explicit which chapter which chapter?

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Speaker 7: Was it?

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Speaker 15: Again?

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Speaker 13: Second King is what Second Second King's chapter nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 9: Is there a way how to make.

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Speaker 27: The separation or to discern when is Jesus and when

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might be archangel Michael except when he's worshiped.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's not just when he's worshiped, but also

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the way that it's described in the sense of like

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if he's For example, in a Judges six, the the

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Lord is called the face of Yahweh so that would

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let us, that would let us know that that is

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that angel, the Lord is Christ. There might be other language,

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like the ability to forgive sins like you see in Exceps.

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Twenty three, or the ability to redeem Genesis forty nine.

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So other types of terms and words. For example, when

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he says, why do you ask my name seeing as

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it is wonderful? Wonderful counselor is one of the divine

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names in Isaiah, so that lets us know that you know, Manoah,

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Samson's dad is seeing Christ. Also the descriptors, the visual

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descriptions that are used, for example, in Ezekiel one and eleven.

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The same visual descriptors are used in the beginning of

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the Book of Revelation to describe the revelation of Christ.

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To John, it's identical to the way that the description

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of the revelation of the Son of Man one like

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the Son of Glory writing the chariot in Ezekel one

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through eleven, and so we know that that's Christ. Other indicators, too,

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would be when Jesus talks about these things in the

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New Testament, right John five through nine, no one sees

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the Father, and yet Moses was seeing someone face to

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face on Mount Sinai and two Corinthians three, Paul identifies

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Moses seeing Jesus face to face. So this is the

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stupidity of the Thomas. I want to understand that this

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alone should be enough to refute Thomism. Go ahead, thank you, yes, Now,

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when we were oh, crap, thein't gonna hit the button

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s shit, I was booting him, not booting him in

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a mean way, and I closed out the damn stream.

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Oh well, I guess that was providential. I didn't mean

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to do that, but now we can, I guess progress

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to our evangelical mega church superstars, evangelical megachurch superstars. So

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let's we're gonna talk a little bit about this is

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the most expensive survival tool. I own some of the

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background to the evangelical megachurches. Actually that that worked out

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good because the whole purpose of the day stream was

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to get into megachurches, and I feel like I never

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would have gotten to that had we kept doing you know,

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open debate. H thank you guys for your generosity here

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what this is supposed to be paused? Max Simum nine

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one one, Hey Jamie, could you make me an espresso

1282
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and bring me a glass? Of water with some lime

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juice in it, and the allergies the pollens must be

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on on high level alert today. Dang oh yeah, we're

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on like level nine, headed to level ten of Tree

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halland today.

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Speaker 14: Ugh.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're gonna get to the megachurch people.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I've got a couple about seven or eight things that

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are commonalities the problems, the major problems of the megachurch stuff.

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I think most of our audience probably knows this, but

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it's worth talking about again because this is still a

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very influential popular movement, and it overlaps very well with

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the Christian Zionist dispensationalism stuff that we've been critiquing too,

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because keep in mind, virtually every megachurch that I'm aware

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of or have heard of are Christian Zionists, and any

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of them are versions of dispensationalists. So that is one

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of the key commonality indicators that we'll notice. Another commonality,

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although I'm not in all of them, is the prevalence

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of the charismatic heresy charismatic error. By the way, I

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did a whole video on my fancy camera that was

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about ten minutes breaking this down, and I recorded it wrong.

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So We're gonna go ahead and address that really quick

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right here, and then I'll cut, I'll clip this section

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and make it like that section. So before we get

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into that, let's talk about why there's no new revelations,

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no new public divine revelations. And once we establish that

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in real quick, it's just gonna take me a few

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minutes because I pretty much I remember all these by heart.

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We're gonna know right away that any group that paused

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it's ongoing charismatic public divine revelation is immediately disqualified. So

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that means not just Mormon or Muslim, but also Pentecostal

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also quote charismatic churches which proclaim and think they have

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ongoing new revelations. So first of all, in Daniel nine, well,

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I'll mention quickly Deuteronomy thirteen and Deuteronomy eighteen always laid

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down this principle for everybody for the future, whether they're

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New Testament or whether they're a church fathers, the principle

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that you can't contradict prior revelation, So you can't judge

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a new revelation right as the standard of the old revelation.

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You can't take a new one and say, okay, we're

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gonna say that this Old Testament stuff no longer counts

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because the New corrects it and discards it. Now you say,

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wait a minute, what about the Old Testament and the

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New Testament usaide of it? Exactly? The New Testament does

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not discard or throw out previous divine revelation. In fact,

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most of the New Testament apologetic is concerned with showing

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continuity and tell us fulfillment purpose. The whole purpose of

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the law, the prophets is fulfilled in the first Advent

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of Christ. Now there is a second advent, but the

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work of the Cross is the fulfillment of the animal sacrifices.

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It's a fulfillment of the ceremonial laws. For the Jewish nation,

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it's fulfillment of the land itself. The land is a

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type of the Church, and the conquering of the land

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is a pattern, a prototype of the world being conquered

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by the Gospel Accordingy of Romes. For the Jews in

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the wilderness is a type of our coming to rest

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in Christ and Hebrews four, it's a type of our

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entrance into the eternal rest of the escoton accordny Hebrews four.

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So you see that everything that's going on, even the

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high priest entering into the Tabernacle in Heaven, Jesus was

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presignified by the Old Testament high priests going into the

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Holy of Holies. The Holy of Holies is a type

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of the third Heavens temple Throne Room of God. So

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when Jesus ascended, that was the fulfillment of the high

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priest of the Old Testament on the day of atonement

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walking into the Holy Holies Hebrew seven. So notice the

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movement is from type to fulfillment. The error of dispensationalism

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and charismaticism generally speaking, is to postpone that fulfillment to

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the escaton. The fulfillment began at the first Advent. Hence

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why so many verses in the New Testament, particularly you

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know Matthew's parables Matthew twenty one, the Kingdom of God

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will be taken from you, the Jews, and given to

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a nation producing the fruit three of the Gentiles, hence

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a primarily, not exclusively, but primarily Gentile church during the

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to last two thousand years of the Church. That is

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a fulfillment of dozens of passages in the Old Testament

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that predict a largely Gentile Universal Catholic Church. The nations

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flow into Zion in Isaiah two, Isaiah nine eleven. No

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on Isaiah is the fifth Gospel because there's so many

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prophecies of this, okay, so these are signs of the

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first Abbot on the side. And that's why Daniel nine

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is very specific that when the Messiah is cut off

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for his people, that is when eternal righteousness is brought

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in and there's an end to the temple system. Daniel

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nine twenty four to twenty seven. Again, charismatic dispensationalist heresy

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postpones Daniel nine unto the end of the world, which

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is stupid because it's predicting what he did at his

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first Abvent. So hopefully we can see that over and

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over and over. The major mistake not just of the

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dispensationalist stuff, but also of most of the Protestant world

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in general nowadays, especially the evangelical world. Maybe not classical Protestants,

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but the evangelical world is affixated upon this postponing of

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everything that Christ brought at the First Advent to the

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second Advent. The Kingdom. Oh, that's the thing he's setting

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up in Israel. The pre millennial kingdom. Oh, the you know,

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ruling with him, Oh, that happens at the end of

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the world. No, No, that ruling with him happened at

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the ascension. The rod that proceeds from his mouth is

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the preaching of the Gospel to conquer the nations. Sit

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at my right hand, un till I make your enemies

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your footstool. Every idiot evangelical thinks that that's the end

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of the world, the Esketon, that might be the final

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fulfillment of it. But every New Testament reference to sit

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at my right hand till I make your energy footstool

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is the ascension. Do you not know what the ascension is?

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It is not the second event. It's what happened at

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the beginning of the Book of Acts. And if you

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read the Book of Hebrews, Jesus's sending is the beginning

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of his reign. How do you enter that kingdom? Baptism?

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Now to go back to these passages here, Jutera me

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thirteen DOA eighteen laid down the principle that any new

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claims of profehood or revelation have to be consistent with

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what came before. Thus, the New Testament and the writings

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of apostles are so uh intent on demonstrating continuity with

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what came before. Okay, we get everybody understand.

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Speaker 1: It.

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Speaker 2: Am I still going? Is that it looks like the

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chap throws up or something I can't see if you guys,

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it's beginning to storm here. So hopefully the Internet hasn't

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like cut out the Internet connection.

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01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 25: Is it good?

1403
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 2: Looks like it's still going. Okay, we got almost two thousand.

1404
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:11,239
It's crazy, all right.

1405
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:11,279
Speaker 13: So.

1406
01:26:13,119 --> 01:26:15,079
Speaker 2: Dotera me thirteen, do your eighteen. Next. I want to

1407
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:19,880
mention Zechariah thirteen. I'm gonna clip this out and make

1408
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,279
this just its own standalone because the other video didn't work.

1409
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,560
This is we're gonna demonstrate there are no new public revelations. Okay,

1410
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,119
this is where we're gonna go with this. In the

1411
01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,640
Messianic era, there's a promise. And we know this is

1412
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,520
a Messianic era because you're going to see in this

1413
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,600
very passage that it is that in that day there's

1414
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,600
a fountain opened up for the House of David. This

1415
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,000
is john Ford, the fountain of the Holy Spirit. Jesus

1416
01:26:42,079 --> 01:26:43,840
dying on the cross, blood and water come out. This

1417
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,560
is the fountain of his redemption. All of this is

1418
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:51,520
referring to the First Advent, and in this day it

1419
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,560
will come to pass that when anyone says their prophets,

1420
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,600
their parents will say, you are cut off. This is

1421
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:03,560
our spiritual doesn't mean that they're actually gonna put to

1422
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,520
death people that claim this. But in the New Testament era,

1423
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:12,039
the you know penalties, the ceremonial uncleanness of the Old

1424
01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:16,600
Testament is transferred in the New Testament to mean moral uncleanness,

1425
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,680
and thus, for example, being cut off from communion or

1426
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,039
being fenced from the eucharis to be so. In other words,

1427
01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:27,199
a person claiming in the Messianic era to continue to

1428
01:27:27,279 --> 01:27:32,279
be a quote prophet will no longer be accepted, and

1429
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:37,720
in fact he is spiritually dead. In fact, anyone who

1430
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,640
claims to prophesy in this Messianic era will be ashamed,

1431
01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:46,199
and they will no longer wear a rough garment, meaning

1432
01:27:46,399 --> 01:27:49,399
like what John the Baptist or what Elijah war right.

1433
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,159
Rather they will say, no, no, I'm a husbandman, I'm

1434
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:58,600
a vineyard worker. In other words, like the Apostles. The

1435
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,680
Apostles are the husbandmen of the New Testament. They're the

1436
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,840
vineyard workers of the New Testament. Okay, the Old Testament

1437
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:11,359
order of prophet comes to an end explicitly according to Jesus,

1438
01:28:12,399 --> 01:28:15,079
with John the Baptist. And this is why, for example,

1439
01:28:15,239 --> 01:28:18,880
Joseph Smith in his Mormon translation of the New Testament,

1440
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,399
literally changed this passage because he needed there to be

1441
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,640
the continuation of the Old Testament office of a prophet.

1442
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:27,560
And we noticed that it says the law and the

1443
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,720
prophets were until John, and since that time the Kingdom

1444
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,520
has preached and men press into it. Note again, this

1445
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,960
refutes the delayed view of the dispensationals who pressed the

1446
01:28:38,039 --> 01:28:40,279
Kingdom of God to the end of the world. No, no,

1447
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,880
Jesus saying that right now people are coming into the Kingdom.

1448
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,119
The Kingdom of God is within you, because it's the

1449
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:48,279
life and presence of the Holy Spirit. Okay, not like that,

1450
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:52,920
goober libertarian said, like some sort of pacifist gnostic group

1451
01:28:52,960 --> 01:29:03,000
of idiots. There's a specific reference to a terminus for

1452
01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:05,720
the Old Testament prophet. Now beyond that, we know that

1453
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,840
Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the three Old Testament

1454
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:14,680
offices prophet, priest, and King all in him. Right, how

1455
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,600
would there be a continuation of the Old Testament office

1456
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,720
of a prophet when the person that they're all appointing

1457
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:28,399
to comes. Now when we have an intertestamental or excuse me,

1458
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:34,640
a not inner testamental, but the transition period. We could

1459
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,880
say between the coming of the Messiah, has death, royal resurrection, ascension,

1460
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,159
and the establishment of the Church. In the Book of Acts, okay,

1461
01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:47,119
this is a transition period when there's still a Jewish

1462
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:48,840
temple for a while. If you read the Book of

1463
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,960
Acts right, Paul at times can go to the Jewish Temple.

1464
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,439
He takes Timothy. The temple has not been yet been destroyed.

1465
01:29:57,279 --> 01:29:59,399
The destruction of the Temple, according to it might be

1466
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,359
the book of he Luke twenty one and Matthew twenty

1467
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:06,039
four is the final sign of the completion of the

1468
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:10,279
Old Testament. So it is still proper and appropriate to

1469
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,920
have divine revelation continuing during this period where even in

1470
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,640
the Book of Acts we see people with the gift

1471
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:21,279
of prophecy, where they like Agabus prophesy things about Paul

1472
01:30:21,399 --> 01:30:23,720
or something like that. The Holy Spirit can still be

1473
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,920
giving revelation and messages to the church. Yes, all the

1474
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,399
way up until the final book, the Final Revelation, the

1475
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:36,039
Book of Revelation of Saint John. But not just the

1476
01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:38,840
written text, also the oral teaching of the apostles. The

1477
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:43,039
Apostles and then as Testament identify their oral teaching also

1478
01:30:43,239 --> 01:30:45,800
as the word of God. Right, Peter says, this was

1479
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,680
the word of God which was preached to you, not

1480
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,520
just written, also preached. Paul says, I taught day and

1481
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:57,359
night in ephesis for three years the Gospel. Okay, he

1482
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,239
wasn't just writing things for three years straight day and

1483
01:31:00,319 --> 01:31:05,000
night Protestants. He was orally teaching and expounding. That oral

1484
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:08,960
teaching is also part of the apostolic deposit of faith,

1485
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,079
part of the final revelation. How do I know that

1486
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:19,000
it's final? Well, in Jude there's a statement that the

1487
01:31:19,159 --> 01:31:25,000
faith is once for all delivered in verse three to

1488
01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:31,000
the saints. The common salvation can tend for the faith

1489
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:35,800
once for all delivered. Some translations say once delivered, some

1490
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,880
say once for all. It doesn't matter. The point is

1491
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:42,000
the same. There's a finality assumed in this that during

1492
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:44,720
the period of the apostles and their preaching and their teaching,

1493
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:55,399
there's a finality to public divine revelation. So in the

1494
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:57,520
Book of Acts, when you see the outpourting of the

1495
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,399
Holy Spirit in Acts two that's specifically identified as a

1496
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:05,159
fulfillment of the Book of Joel. It is not identified

1497
01:32:05,159 --> 01:32:09,880
as something that continues on forever in the same way

1498
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,920
in the Transition period. Some of these manifestations were necessary

1499
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,279
at this time to establish the church and to fulfill

1500
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,640
many old testsant prophecies, as we saw like Isaiah twenty

1501
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,000
eight and twenty nine about the Jews hearing a message

1502
01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:30,319
in a special miraculous manifested tongue's way that would cause

1503
01:32:30,399 --> 01:32:32,680
them to stumble and fall backwards, which is exactly what

1504
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,439
happened in the Book of Acts. They do not recognize

1505
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:40,600
the miracle of Pentecosts as a fulfillment and a reversal

1506
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,399
of Babel, fulfillment of Isaiah twenty eight twenty nine and

1507
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:51,199
a reversal of Bibel. But you'll note that it is

1508
01:32:51,319 --> 01:32:55,479
explicitly referred to by Peter in Acts two as the

1509
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,760
fulfillment of Joel. Now every dispensation liss Goofball and I

1510
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:01,600
know because I used to be in this when I

1511
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,279
was like nineteen. They read the Book of Joel and

1512
01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:06,479
they think about it as an end times prophecy about

1513
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,319
Zionist Israel. No no, no, Peter says right here that

1514
01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:15,520
what Joel was talking about in the Last Days refers

1515
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,800
to the First Advent. How do I know, because it's

1516
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,960
happening right there at Pentecost. Pentecost is the pouring out

1517
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,720
of the Spirit upon all flesh, Jews and gentiles by

1518
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:30,600
acts ten. You see, so they promphesy. So you notice

1519
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,079
that right away. Wait a minute, this doesn't work as

1520
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:40,960
an end times charismatic thing like charismatics and dispensationless and

1521
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,319
Pentecostals want. It's not about the end of the world.

1522
01:33:44,399 --> 01:33:53,000
It's about the First Advent. If we didn't have a

1523
01:33:53,119 --> 01:33:58,479
finality to this revelation, public divine revelation, there would be

1524
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:03,239
no way for Paul to say, you judge anything claiming

1525
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,279
to be from God or an Angel on what I

1526
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,880
delivered to you. So the teaching of Paul is the

1527
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,800
measure for any future claimants, which means that there has

1528
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:18,319
to be some fixed finality to the public divine revelation.

1529
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:22,520
Otherwise anyone could just keep claiming new revelations and new

1530
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:33,920
revelations and new relations, and beyond that the Book of

1531
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,600
Revelation itself providentially. I'm not saying this tells us what

1532
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,279
the canon is. So don't misunderstand me as making a

1533
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:43,960
Protestant solar crypture argument from this passage. I am not

1534
01:34:44,079 --> 01:34:48,199
doing that. This passage does not support that reading, because

1535
01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:53,760
there is no fixed canon yet. However, providentially, God knew

1536
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,800
and it was the case that this would be the

1537
01:34:56,039 --> 01:34:59,680
final book in the collected books that we know of

1538
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:04,319
as written divine revelation. And this book explicitly says do

1539
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,239
not add to it or take away from it, again

1540
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:17,760
providentially demonstrating that there is a finality to public divine revelation. Furthermore,

1541
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:23,439
after the death of the Apostles, we have a sect

1542
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:30,359
that arises up and actually claims to have continuing public

1543
01:35:30,399 --> 01:35:32,960
divine revelation. Now this is very early, okay, so we're

1544
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,000
not talking about centuries after the Apostles. We're talking about

1545
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:41,840
very quickly, within about one hundred years, mid to late

1546
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,720
second century. This guy named Montanus comes up and his

1547
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:50,960
sect was called the New Revelation. You see, and Montanus said,

1548
01:35:51,039 --> 01:35:54,039
I am the voice of the Holy Spirit. I can

1549
01:35:54,319 --> 01:36:02,760
sporadically instantaneously like a charismatic weirdo prophesy. And if I recall,

1550
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,359
they might have even had gibberish glossolelia going on. I

1551
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:10,479
don't know. And one of the reasons that we know

1552
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:14,720
that this sect was famous was because one of the

1553
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:20,640
most famous early Christian writers, who wrote originally defending the

1554
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:28,279
Trinity as an Orthodox Catholic person, became a Montanist, Tertullian.

1555
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:36,039
Tortullian left the institutional Orthodox Church for the Holy roller, idiot, gibbering,

1556
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:43,479
schizoid sect of the Montanists. The Montanists were immediately and

1557
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,560
early on condemned by the Orthodox Catholic Church right away.

1558
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:57,000
This tells us about yes, correct, jeb they also had

1559
01:36:57,239 --> 01:37:00,760
female prophets and pastors, great point, shouldn't leave that out.

1560
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:04,439
So this tells us right here, these principles that I've

1561
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,239
laid down, these do not deny the possibility of miracles. Okay,

1562
01:37:09,359 --> 01:37:10,840
so we know that in the Orthodox Church we do

1563
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,920
believe that God works miracles. We do believe that there

1564
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,640
can be a saint with clairvoyance, but none of that

1565
01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:21,000
is equal to the faith once for all delivered or

1566
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,920
public divine revelation. Now you might think, wait a minute,

1567
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,479
doesn't the Roman Catholic position also agree with us? Actually, no,

1568
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,199
Although the Roman Catholic position technically admits there's a finality

1569
01:37:34,319 --> 01:37:39,079
to divine revelation. The modern Roman Catholic Church has whole

1570
01:37:39,319 --> 01:37:44,640
sale from the papacy down, adopted charismaticism. In fact, it's

1571
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,520
a big part of their ecumenism, and there's an entire

1572
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:55,359
movement papally approved within Catholicism called Catholic Charismaticism. They even

1573
01:37:55,520 --> 01:38:01,560
gave communion to a Protestant ecumenist care charismatic brother, Roger

1574
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:05,199
Shoots of the Taisee community, and I even believe it

1575
01:38:05,279 --> 01:38:10,279
was Benedict that gave him communion. So again, understand that

1576
01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:14,800
if you're a Roman Catholic, you're not on ours. The

1577
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,600
only church that is completely from the very beginning, always

1578
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:24,439
oppose charismatic gibberish nonsense is the Orthodox Church. What does

1579
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,079
that tell you? This should tell you right away. Wait

1580
01:38:27,079 --> 01:38:29,920
a minute, we're the only ones that are still here

1581
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:35,079
not caving to this idiocy. Now, when I was a

1582
01:38:35,159 --> 01:38:38,520
young evangelical goober, I didn't know any better. I read

1583
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,800
the Book of Acts. I thought that charismatics were doing

1584
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,199
what was in the Book of Acts. But that was

1585
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:46,720
because I was an idiot and I was uneducated. I

1586
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:50,600
thought that prayer the language of the Angels was some

1587
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,359
sort of gibberish, right. I was duped by those passages.

1588
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:58,359
Brother Roger Taise, the Swiss Christian leader, a monastic quote brother,

1589
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:08,000
he's a Protestant, received the Eucharists from Rome even though

1590
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:12,960
and let's see, oh, yep, there it is.

1591
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 12: There's a.

1592
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:22,319
Speaker 2: Cardinal Ratzinger giving communion to a confessed Protestant. Does anybody

1593
01:39:22,359 --> 01:39:22,760
remember this?

1594
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:23,039
Speaker 8: Uh?

1595
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, here it does this. This is two thousand and five.

1596
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:36,800
Roger Shoots is a Swiss Reform Church, a humanist, and

1597
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:43,039
here is ratsing or giving a confessed Reform Protestant communion.

1598
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,239
And I remember I was a trad cat at the time,

1599
01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:50,279
two thousand and five, twenty years ago. I saw all

1600
01:39:50,319 --> 01:39:53,840
this going on. Been in this game a long time, y'all.

1601
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:57,560
Twenty years ago, I was a trade cat, and I

1602
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,000
remember being scandalized by this. Why would he give commune

1603
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:04,560
into this weirdo goober old man in a wheelchair who's

1604
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:13,319
a obviously, uh Protestant. Weirdo? Brother Roger Shoots died a Protestant.

1605
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,000
Do we see where I'm going with the point? Here

1606
01:40:29,079 --> 01:40:36,600
is so Montanism doesn't work. Charismaticism long ago rejected and condemned.

1607
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,600
And yet what is the modern Roman Church but the

1608
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:46,279
haven of all heresies. It is the great confluence of

1609
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:50,880
all errors and heresies into one. It's the greatest delusion,

1610
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:55,399
especially for all the Roman chasm tridcats, pretending that this

1611
01:40:55,720 --> 01:41:05,880
is the ancient faith of the church. You literally accept charismaticism. Now,

1612
01:41:06,079 --> 01:41:08,039
let me make sure, because I'm not. I think he

1613
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:09,960
is a charismatic. Even if he's not, it's not gonna

1614
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,880
matter though, because I'll show you that they did accept

1615
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:21,560
charismatic stuff. What did I tell you? There we go,

1616
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:28,920
Brother Roger Ship, Well, this says charismatic leadership. Let's see,

1617
01:41:29,079 --> 01:41:31,560
was he a charismatic? I want to say he was,

1618
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:39,399
but I haven't even thought about this in a long time. Uh,

1619
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,560
this is just pulling up like charismatic leader No, I

1620
01:41:42,640 --> 01:42:05,720
mean like charismatic gifts. Let's see. Hmm, he was a

1621
01:42:06,319 --> 01:42:10,399
mega ecumenist. I can't figure ou if he's a charismatic

1622
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,640
or not. Regardless of whether he's a charismatic though, Like,

1623
01:42:14,279 --> 01:42:22,319
there's a whole thing here again, Roman Catholic charismatic movement.

1624
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:28,760
They call it the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in Rome. So

1625
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:29,239
there's that.

1626
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:31,279
Speaker 9: And This is.

1627
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,560
Speaker 2: Fully accepted from the top down. It's not like some

1628
01:42:37,039 --> 01:42:43,760
fringe thing. You can find it extensively across the internet.

1629
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,720
Let's see what Catholic answer says about I don't remember

1630
01:42:46,720 --> 01:43:01,079
what they say about it. Catholic charismatics. This is from

1631
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:04,479
Karl Keating, the famous Roman callery writer. Begins in nineteen

1632
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:08,159
sixty seven. It began at the Kensney Universe d Kane University,

1633
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:13,880
then it spread to Notre Dame, and then it went viral.

1634
01:43:16,359 --> 01:43:20,880
Belgian Cardinal Sunans was an early patron. Pope Paul the six,

1635
01:43:22,399 --> 01:43:26,319
while a charismatic it was in progress, said positive things

1636
01:43:26,359 --> 01:43:34,000
about the movement. Later, John Paul the second encouraged charismatics

1637
01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:41,479
to defend the Christian notion of social life. Okay, and

1638
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:47,279
then it talks about Franciscans and Steubenville Franciscan University seemed

1639
01:43:47,279 --> 01:43:50,199
to be an epicenter of Catholic charismaticism in the nineties.

1640
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,399
Where it stands today. When was this written? This is

1641
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:59,920
probably old. It doesn't say when this was written.

1642
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1643
01:44:07,039 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 2: Now, when we went to Rome, there were there was

1644
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,760
open promotion of Caloic charismatic stuff in Rome, like in

1645
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,319
the at the Vatican and there was this stuff was

1646
01:44:17,359 --> 01:44:30,279
being promoted. Uh, let's see what this says. Jump all

1647
01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:33,159
the second called Catholic charismatic renewal a gift of the

1648
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:48,560
Holy Spirit. There you go. Even the SSP X h

1649
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,159
uses this as one of their reasons to oppose the

1650
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:56,199
Novasorto in the Vatican to superstructure because this is obviously

1651
01:44:56,479 --> 01:45:00,479
just ridiculous. I mean again, that Rome is okay with

1652
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,239
this should tell you guys, like this is the Roman

1653
01:45:03,239 --> 01:45:05,239
Callolic Church is not your church? Like this is enough

1654
01:45:05,359 --> 01:45:07,720
right here. It's like any one of these things should

1655
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:13,239
be a kill shot, right if Rome is okay and

1656
01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:18,560
tolerates this nonsense. Because again, do you not hear me

1657
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:23,520
say that Montanism is a condemned heresy by the way,

1658
01:45:24,359 --> 01:45:28,319
I mean, is Tertullian like a saint now? Like if

1659
01:45:28,399 --> 01:45:33,399
Turtillia was condemned as a Montanist, well, I guess it's

1660
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,319
cool now he could be a saint, because I mean

1661
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:41,640
Montanism is actually pretty cool. So every previously condemned error

1662
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:45,279
and heresy has now been accepted by the Roman Catholic Church.

1663
01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:47,039
And this is pretty widespread, Like you can go to

1664
01:45:47,159 --> 01:45:52,640
random diocese. Oh, here we go, Baton rouge. Yeah, we

1665
01:45:52,760 --> 01:46:04,680
accept Catholic charismatic renewal. Sure, yeah, it's all cool. And

1666
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:10,359
you know, Father Suffron Rose also included pretty savage critiques

1667
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:13,520
of this nonsense in his books worth actually in the

1668
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:29,840
Religion of the Future, right, I'm looking for any more

1669
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:36,960
references to. As of twenty thirteen, Catholic Charismatic Renewal has

1670
01:46:37,039 --> 01:46:43,479
one hundred and sixty million members. Woe. This is encouraged

1671
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:56,359
by Vatican two as well as the Ecumenism. Pope Francis

1672
01:46:56,439 --> 01:47:03,119
invited the charismatic renewal to come in twenty seventeen. And

1673
01:47:03,279 --> 01:47:09,359
guess what it's directly linked to the advancing of ecumenism. Guys,

1674
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,039
I mean this should be a kill shot right here,

1675
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:17,399
This right here invalidates Rome. How can something be a

1676
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:21,720
heresy in the days of Tertullian in the second century

1677
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:27,119
and now it's the Holy Spirit movie cohort ten bucks.

1678
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:29,960
Can you do a John Hey blood moon pie impersonation?

1679
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 3: This is Jon Piggy. I believe even the prophesies of

1680
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,199
the New Testament about blood moons, blood moons or of

1681
01:47:36,279 --> 01:47:40,960
course blood moon Pije Jordan floor is one hundred dollars.

1682
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:46,479
Uh uh huh, baby paying for all the bills today.

1683
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:48,800
Laugh all you want, passer.

1684
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 2: Randy Balls is nine hundred and oho in Debates, Undefeated

1685
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:57,359
the World of God. Denny j. Mel thirty dollars. I

1686
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:01,680
appreciate you talking to Dasha. Thank you. Her post had

1687
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:08,319
her on her podcast she was worried about Free Mason's infiltrating. Yeah,

1688
01:48:08,359 --> 01:48:10,960
I guess she Well, somebody said that she's got a

1689
01:48:11,039 --> 01:48:12,800
friend that's like I said, of a contest. So you

1690
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,720
see that there's some friend in her nexus that has

1691
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:21,840
these seta arguments that has influenced her. Now, I've not

1692
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:23,479
listened to a lot of the podcasts, but this is

1693
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,079
what other people who listen to the podcast have told me,

1694
01:48:26,399 --> 01:48:32,920
and that makes perfect sense. So again, you know, people

1695
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:37,520
are going to have to figure out whether whether the

1696
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,520
contradictions are things that they can accept and live with

1697
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,039
or not. Jordan Flor's one hundred dollars, you better have

1698
01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:46,680
that sixteen to eleven j KJV only onholds her ready

1699
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:49,239
to go for that strength today. Baby, well, I got

1700
01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:53,920
my new King James Orthodox study bibble unholstered. But I

1701
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:57,520
guess that means I'm an apostate. By the way, y'all

1702
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:01,039
remember remember when y'all and when everybody.

1703
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,520
Speaker 3: You need to debate Stephen Anderson, you need to debate

1704
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:04,760
Stephen Anderson.

1705
01:49:05,239 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 2: Why would I even need to debate Stephen Anderson? Like,

1706
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:12,960
not everybody who's an idiot needs to debate or be

1707
01:49:13,359 --> 01:49:23,640
given a debate. Sometimes it's detrimental to actually debate people. Now,

1708
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:28,840
the dash of debate was tongue in cheek, and oh said, oh,

1709
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:32,960
she's a grifter. Well, I think, I mean, she's read enough.

1710
01:49:33,239 --> 01:49:38,840
If she's talking about Salovyev, I've never heard a girl

1711
01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:44,760
talk about Saloviyev. Okay, that's a first. Now, I don't

1712
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,319
think that book is that good. I read Sloviav's book

1713
01:49:47,359 --> 01:49:50,439
back in two thousand and eight, and ultimately it did

1714
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:52,840
not convince me. It gave me some questions to ask,

1715
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,279
and I asked the same questions that she was asking.

1716
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,560
But I mean, if she's reading Saloviev, that doesn't strike

1717
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:03,680
me as somebody who's you know, disingenuous. And she actually

1718
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,000
had some pretty good questions. So, you know, pray for

1719
01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:10,880
her to convert. And oh, she's an asset, she's an

1720
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,039
operative and this and that. I mean, dude, look, don't

1721
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:17,560
worry about people. Worry over this stuff way too much.

1722
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:22,039
Like in time, people's motivations become clear and they become manifest.

1723
01:50:22,119 --> 01:50:27,439
You don't have to worry about everybody's you know, everybody's

1724
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,399
a secret agent or whatever. Look if she's if she's

1725
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:32,840
not serious, or somebody else is not serious, it'll be manifest.

1726
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:37,920
You don't have to worry about it. But you know

1727
01:50:38,039 --> 01:50:41,720
what's interesting, what did you even do the conversation? Do

1728
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,159
you know how many views that's had between Twitter and here?

1729
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:49,000
One hundred almost one hundred and fifty thousand views between

1730
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:55,760
all the programs, the platforms. I should say, you know

1731
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:59,039
how many tens of thousands of people that we spoke to?

1732
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,720
Probably one hundred thousand of the one hundred fifty thousand

1733
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,399
would have never seen or heard any of the stuff

1734
01:51:05,399 --> 01:51:12,119
that we talk about. That's why, duh, Well would you

1735
01:51:12,199 --> 01:51:15,680
have a conversation with Patrick? But David because a million

1736
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,840
freaking people will see it. That's why maximum number one

1737
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:22,920
five dollars, h Brozie five dollars. If you ever if

1738
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,520
I ever hear you disrespect MMA again, I'll go full

1739
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,520
track at spurt Twitter on you. It's the only sport

1740
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:34,239
completely untouched by soyness and tards so far. But I

1741
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:36,840
like MMA. I've always said I like UFC, so I

1742
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,039
don't that's like the only sport. I actually like to

1743
01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:44,479
watch old timer ten bucks.

1744
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 15: Jay.

1745
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,199
Speaker 2: Think if your work. I'm an Orthodox inquired with a

1746
01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:48,720
process and background, what's the best resource on Orthodox history

1747
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,279
and teaching? There's so much information. I don't know where

1748
01:51:51,279 --> 01:51:55,760
to start, uh, I mean I would read my endorsed

1749
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,920
books as a place to start. Just get all of

1750
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,840
his books. Tribe called Jake ten dollars. This is a

1751
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,920
super chat for the chat. Jay stays undefeated. God bless Jay,

1752
01:52:07,079 --> 01:52:11,039
Thank you job. Five dollars passer rank. We're not even

1753
01:52:11,079 --> 01:52:15,800
talking about the megachurches. So some idiot was saying in

1754
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:20,359
the chat, the Orthodox Church is the original mego Church. Really,

1755
01:52:21,399 --> 01:52:24,319
we have the same liturgical worship that it's never changed

1756
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,279
all the way back to the ancient Church. The Roman

1757
01:52:30,359 --> 01:52:34,760
Catholic Church has changed their liturgical worship in a revolutionary way,

1758
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:38,199
and everyone knows this with the Protestants who developed the

1759
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:46,119
Novasorto mass. Okay, so just by worship alone, you can

1760
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:50,800
prove the Orthodox Church is the only true standing ancient church.

1761
01:52:51,079 --> 01:52:53,680
Just the liturgy alone, prison for you if you figure

1762
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:58,359
it out. What does God care a lot about his worship?

1763
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:04,920
Have you read Biticus ten eleven nadab abaye whu? How

1764
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,359
did the ancient church worship in the first second third century.

1765
01:53:08,279 --> 01:53:12,880
We'll go to the catacombs. I've been there. There's altars,

1766
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:16,279
there's images, there's relics in the catacombs, first second, third century.

1767
01:53:18,199 --> 01:53:20,239
When the church was no longer the catacombs, they emerge

1768
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:29,000
and they worship out same way. Altars, baptisteries, relics, Eucharist, images, saints,

1769
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:34,000
same stuff. Liturgy. I think probably don't even know what

1770
01:53:34,079 --> 01:53:35,760
liturgical worship. Like I say that word, they don't even

1771
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:40,239
know what that is. What do you talk about the hood, healths, churches,

1772
01:53:41,239 --> 01:53:46,840
the host church as if that means like Protestant Bible study,

1773
01:53:47,279 --> 01:53:55,439
like youth group. We got to get to the megachurch.

1774
01:53:56,039 --> 01:53:56,279
Speaker 3: Job.

1775
01:53:56,359 --> 01:53:58,800
Speaker 2: Five dollars price arounding balls is the funny stream, one

1776
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:01,800
of the funniest dreams. Time to erect Protestants with the

1777
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:05,640
balls out prophecy exactly, Justin Henley, one gift, Thank you,

1778
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:09,119
Justin Henley, five dollars. You're not leaving this church until

1779
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:12,520
I get forty thousand dollars. We got a new megachurch

1780
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,319
man taking it to the next level. Baby. I like

1781
01:54:16,399 --> 01:54:21,760
the strategy basically, just imprisonment tithed by imprisonment. This is

1782
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:27,720
a bold strategy for getting donations.

1783
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 1: But I like it.

1784
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:35,119
Speaker 2: Let's check that out os that is involved. There's one

1785
01:54:35,159 --> 01:54:35,720
thousand of you.

1786
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:36,279
Speaker 26: I see it.

1787
01:54:36,319 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 22: Close them doors, ushers, close the doors, close the doors,

1788
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:49,560
close the doors. It's a thousand that's watching online. This

1789
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,760
is a small seed. If I get a thousand on

1790
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,199
line to give this. If I get a thousand, and

1791
01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:56,479
I like.

1792
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 2: Where this brother going. Listen, we got right now seven

1793
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,439
eighteen hundred of y'all in the chat watching, seventeen hundred

1794
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:06,960
y'all in the chat watching. I want y'all, dummies to

1795
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:10,000
close your door right now. Wives, close the door on

1796
01:55:10,079 --> 01:55:11,920
your husband in the bathroom and the party sitting on

1797
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:16,720
that can. Sisters, close the door on your brother's Okay,

1798
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:20,600
lock him in that pantry, Lock him in that basement

1799
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:23,399
right now where he down there, Lock him in, Lock

1800
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:30,119
him in ushers, yeah, yeah, yeah, Little John, lock Usher in, Usher,

1801
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:34,960
lock the usher's in. Okay. I want little John and

1802
01:55:35,079 --> 01:55:39,279
Usher donating forty dollars tonight. You ain't getting out of

1803
01:55:39,359 --> 01:55:42,119
that pantry. You ain't getting out of that broom. Close it.

1804
01:55:44,039 --> 01:55:48,520
Whether you an usher or whether you are sure, lock down,

1805
01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:53,439
put him on lockdown right now, every one of y'all.

1806
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:57,479
Forty dollars right now, you ain't getting out. I like

1807
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:01,359
this bold strategy than dollars tonight.

1808
01:56:02,439 --> 01:56:05,039
Speaker 22: Now, everyone up here, we've all sold and seated, but

1809
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:07,199
I need everyone standing up here with us with me

1810
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:10,279
to plan a seat of one hundred dollars, because again

1811
01:56:11,159 --> 01:56:12,119
it cost the city.

1812
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:17,159
Speaker 2: Damn you listen, y'all think I sit in this chair

1813
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,319
for free. You think this chair was free. You think

1814
01:56:20,399 --> 01:56:25,199
this this badass Miami vice glowing neon was free. You

1815
01:56:25,279 --> 01:56:27,760
think this room with the books over on our shlf

1816
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:33,359
was free? Son? No, I locked in. This door right

1817
01:56:33,439 --> 01:56:36,720
here is locked in, and I can't leave this room.

1818
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:37,479
I'm anna stove.

1819
01:56:39,319 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 21: I got four black ushers in my hallway right now.

1820
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,600
Lock me in, son, the ushers have locked me in.

1821
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:56,279
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's

1822
01:56:56,359 --> 01:56:57,359
not church ushers.

1823
01:56:58,119 --> 01:56:59,079
Speaker 2: I got four.

1824
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:13,319
Speaker 30: Ushers, yeah yeah, yeah, what I got fours two little

1825
01:57:13,399 --> 01:57:15,960
John's in the hall right now, locked in. I am

1826
01:57:16,079 --> 01:57:18,640
locked in and I can't get out of here. To

1827
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:21,039
y'all saying forty dollars. It ain't free to sit in here.

1828
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,840
It ain't free to sit on this. I'm trying to

1829
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:28,079
I can't even remember the lyrics of uh, yeah.

1830
01:57:28,079 --> 01:57:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got ursers locked me in, Yeah yeah yeah, no,

1831
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,680
no no, I don't even remember his lyrics.

1832
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:52,560
Speaker 31: Don't catch the little thing, peace down, peace up, hey

1833
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:56,359
town down up in the cloud with my homies, trying

1834
01:57:56,359 --> 01:57:57,279
to get a little t I.

1835
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 2: V V I V I not t I. I always said,

1836
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:04,000
he said t I. What's he talking about?

1837
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:04,119
Speaker 10: TI?

1838
01:58:05,359 --> 01:58:07,199
Speaker 18: Trying to get a little v I keep it down

1839
01:58:07,239 --> 01:58:10,840
on the loki. So I saw that she was checking

1840
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:12,960
up on me. So the game she was spitting in

1841
01:58:13,039 --> 01:58:19,039
my ear, you would think she know me, she find

1842
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:21,079
me feeling likes you Ready up.

1843
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:30,439
Speaker 2: And that's a hard ass song to sing, Like, what

1844
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:32,600
the hell is he talking about? I can't even I

1845
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,880
can't decipher half of what Ersher're talking about. Anyway, I'm

1846
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:37,800
locked up in here, bro, I can't get out. We

1847
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:40,399
got four ushers and two little John's that got me

1848
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:43,159
locked up until y'all give me all your money. Ah,

1849
01:58:43,279 --> 01:58:45,960
your money? Are you need to get it in tangible?

1850
01:58:47,399 --> 01:58:49,560
It ain't free to sit in this chair and get it.

1851
01:58:50,079 --> 01:58:53,119
You think it's free to sit in this purple DRIs

1852
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:56,800
purple drink scissor up chair. Hell no, it ain't free.

1853
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:01,720
This chair costs me about fifty dollars. And marshals. I

1854
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:02,760
don't even know where I got it. I think I

1855
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:06,239
got it. A marshals that are a wal More. I

1856
01:59:06,319 --> 01:59:09,159
got a light over there, a cheap ass Walmart light

1857
01:59:09,239 --> 01:59:12,479
that costs me about forty dollars. I got another little

1858
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:14,279
light calls me about thirty dollars. It ain't cheap, it

1859
01:59:14,319 --> 01:59:20,279
ain't free, son, Because I need to see a thousand

1860
01:59:20,319 --> 01:59:24,600
people moving. Bring them baskets. Bring I want the baskets

1861
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:27,000
up here. I want to see the folk bring them baskets.

1862
01:59:27,079 --> 01:59:29,439
Speaker 22: Y'all start moving. Y'all can bring it right now, Come, come,

1863
01:59:29,479 --> 01:59:31,960
bring right now. A thousand people need to give you

1864
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,199
twenty dollars. A thousand people need to give twenty dollars.

1865
01:59:34,399 --> 01:59:37,000
Speaker 2: A thousand people need to give me a thousand dollars,

1866
01:59:37,079 --> 01:59:40,279
which he talking about these saints. It's easy's huh. A

1867
01:59:40,359 --> 01:59:42,319
thousand people give me a thousand dollars. I'm gonna retire

1868
01:59:42,399 --> 01:59:44,199
right now. A thousand all right, now, give you a

1869
01:59:44,199 --> 01:59:49,840
thousand more. Think how much more blessing you get? Give

1870
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:52,720
me one thousand dollars versus a dollar, you get a

1871
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:56,960
thousand times the blessing son Shane Hampton one dollar, search

1872
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:04,680
sorraw walk for Jesus, pleasant surprise at one fifty. Oh oh,

1873
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:06,159
I don't know if I want to do that. I

1874
02:00:06,199 --> 02:00:07,760
don't know that sounds dangerous. I don't know what that

1875
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:11,880
pleasant surprise is. Dave Mustardane two dollars. Randy Balls is

1876
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:14,920
buying the Vatican. He would if he could. Steve mclov

1877
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,880
and five dollars. Competer pop Off, Miracle spring water, bless

1878
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:22,319
me with bitcoin, Yes, yes, duh, of course. What do

1879
02:00:22,399 --> 02:00:25,800
you think? Maximum number one J A Y J J

1880
02:00:26,079 --> 02:00:30,640
J Jay exactly. You know a debater is having a

1881
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:34,479
hard time when you start hearing my name Jay Jack

1882
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:38,680
Jack Jack Jay. Yep, it's all right. Ten dollars, I said, Jay,

1883
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:42,479
get out of this church. Jay. I think he's trying

1884
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:44,479
to do an impression of Paul Washer when Paul Washer

1885
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:48,960
kicked me out. JB. Peltier with that fancy French, with

1886
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:53,119
that fancy sassy French name. Five dollars. I will pay

1887
02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:56,159
that libertarian guy five bucks. A step to stop whimpering.

1888
02:00:58,079 --> 02:00:59,840
Troy called j two dollars. Send that kid to the

1889
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:03,560
shadow realm. He got banished, Bro treeper two dollars.

1890
02:01:04,039 --> 02:01:05,640
Speaker 7: The N A R.

1891
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 2: Prosperity gospel should be destroyed. I mean, you gotta be

1892
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:12,279
pretty dumb to believe this stuff. I don't I don't

1893
02:01:12,279 --> 02:01:16,000
know what to say. Man. I would have thought that

1894
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:18,199
was like a boomer era, you know, with like Paul

1895
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:21,840
and Jan Crouch, you know, duping a bunch of grandmas

1896
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:26,279
and boomers. But like, who's packing up the seats of

1897
02:01:26,359 --> 02:01:31,560
these megachurches? Is it just brothers and sisters? Well? I mean,

1898
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:33,319
I don't know if Joel Ostein's got a lot of

1899
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:38,800
Caucasians and his congregation, doesn't he Stefan dB ten dollars?

1900
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:43,880
But Jay, Jay, listen, Jay, do you know about Jesus Christ,

1901
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:44,760
our God and Savior?

1902
02:01:45,079 --> 02:01:45,279
Speaker 12: Jay?

1903
02:01:45,479 --> 02:01:46,039
Speaker 2: Let me finish.

1904
02:01:46,359 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 15: Jay.

1905
02:01:47,319 --> 02:01:50,159
Speaker 2: I swear that these people's IQ cannot be beyond fifty.

1906
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:56,560
It's it's a it's a struggle. Sam je five dollars.

1907
02:01:56,600 --> 02:01:58,560
I would love to hear your thoughts on Jack Hibbs

1908
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:02,960
Calvary Chapel. Uh it mixes politics and preaching. Well, actually,

1909
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:07,079
we're gonna talk about Calvi travel next, because Lane Frisbee

1910
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:10,359
was my story. This is where we're gonna go first. Okay,

1911
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:13,359
did he have anything?

1912
02:02:13,439 --> 02:02:13,520
Speaker 13: Now?

1913
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:19,000
Speaker 2: That was all he We got all his money money. Now.

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02:02:19,079 --> 02:02:22,760
By the way, I wanted to tell you the Nova

1915
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:26,159
Sordo priests looking. Here's Michael Lafton over here rapping. Check out.

1916
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,760
Let's let's check out your boy, Mike Lafton, Baby.

1917
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:34,439
Speaker 27: Auber fletlick shout man Maurunda by Cynthia.

1918
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:43,239
Speaker 26: Feel a sinful anger, some chillin starting sign and Cloud still.

1919
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Speaker 1: Loud on.

1920
02:02:45,359 --> 02:02:50,760
Speaker 2: Pete for Allen got lead. Oh my gosh.

1921
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:52,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

1922
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:59,000
Speaker 2: Anytime you think that the Roman Catholics can never outdo themselves,

1923
02:02:59,239 --> 02:03:02,039
they outdo them like only the Roman Catholics can outdo

1924
02:03:02,119 --> 02:03:06,199
the Roman Catholics, nobody else. Dog, Yes, it's a special

1925
02:03:06,359 --> 02:03:11,560
kind of special. Okay, you know what this reminds me of.

1926
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:20,680
This reminds me of German class. Okay, when I was

1927
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:23,760
taking German, which I got good grades. Then, by the way,

1928
02:03:27,279 --> 02:03:30,680
our lesbian German professor made us watch, I kid, you

1929
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:37,199
not stupid German white rappers. I'm not joking, and I'm

1930
02:03:37,239 --> 02:03:39,159
trying to remember the name of that stupid ass German

1931
02:03:39,439 --> 02:03:43,000
rap man, it was so dumb, but we had to

1932
02:03:43,079 --> 02:03:44,560
learn these stupid lyrics because