WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:07.360 All right. 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:09.960 Joining us now is New York Times best selling author 3 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:14.599 Charles Goyett. His book is Empire of Lies Fragments from 4 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:17.480 the Memory Hole, and he's had a lot of experience 5 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:19.519 with the military with weapons systems. We're talking to him 6 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:21.920 a little bit about his experience with the strategic defense 7 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.760 initiative that Reagan had and kind of get his take 8 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:27.320 on what's happening with this anti ballistic missile thing, as 9 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.079 well as where are we going now? Where are we 10 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:31.920 right now in this war? Thank you so much for 11 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.240 joining us, Charles. So it's a great pleasure to be 12 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.439 with you, David. Thank you very much for having me. Well, 13 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:39.560 thank you. You know, we don't really know. We're getting 14 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:43.159 all these contradictory statements every day talking about an Empire 15 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.399 of lies? Is it nearly over? Are we just beginning? 16 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.280 We get different stories, even from the same people in 17 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:51.799 the Trump regime. So exactly where are we? We always 18 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:53.880 got the fog of war, don't we, And I guess 19 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.240 it's mainly because we're getting a lot of smoke blown 20 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.359 at us by the government on both sides of the war. 21 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.280 Tell us what what you say in terms of what 22 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:02.880 you're watching. 23 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.040 First of all, we're not at war. Yeah, then don't 24 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.200 forget that we've been at war for forty seven years. 25 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:13.000 So it's a total confusion. The fog of war, I 26 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:17.079 guess that's not good enough. It's this political fog, you know. There. 27 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.480 Just to get off track for one second, there's a 28 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:21.560 great deal to be said for the virtues of the 29 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:27.120 founding fathers, who knew the historical precedents for these kinds 30 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:30.920 of events, and they decided that on good precedent, they 31 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.680 decided that the American people should have the power to 32 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.280 declare war through their elected representatives. And it was because, 33 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:40.840 first of all, I mean two primary reasons. First of all, 34 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.560 of course, they knew the precedents did suggest that executives, 35 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:48.120 kings and so on, popes even had a propensity to 36 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.760 engage in needless wars, and that if you lodge the 37 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:53.799 power with the people who had to pay for them 38 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.439 and die in them, then there was a certain amount 39 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.879 of reluctance that didn't appear in the executive branch. So 40 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:03.359 they moved the war making authority without ambiguity, over to 41 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:07.640 the people. But it had the second advantage of having 42 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.319 the debate about the objectives of the war clarified in 43 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:14.560 a declaration of war. So you know that in signing 44 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:19.159 the Declaration of Independence, the founders pledge their lives, their fortunes, 45 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.439 and their sacred honor. In a declaration of war, generally, 46 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:29.319 the authorities, the relevant authorities declare, They declare what the 47 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:33.680 objective is, who the enemy is, how much resources they're 48 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:37.159 dependent on devoting to it, and then you know how 49 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.000 the end game plays out. We don't ever have any 50 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.639 of that, And it has the additional virtue of making 51 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.159 clear to potential opponents that we're at war with these people, 52 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.240 and if you do anything the contrary or that befriends 53 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:51.960 them during this period, and especially to our own people, 54 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.840 that would be an act of treason. But I hear 55 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.719 people banding about the word treason all the time in 56 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.639 the United States today, and yet there is no declaration 57 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.000 of war. And I mean, the president can't wake up 58 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:05.120 in the morning and say, you know, I'm really really 59 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.800 angry at the people in Bolivia, and so they become 60 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:09.919 the objects of a war, and you could commit treason 61 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.439 by doing business with the people in Bolivia. It's insane. 62 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.360 That's one of the reasons why we need a declaration 63 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.439 of war. And of course we haven't had one since 64 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:21.879 World War Two. But I'm sorry, but absolutely right. But 65 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.639 of course that's what this president does. I mean, we 66 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:26.439 could wake up tomorrow morning and be at war with 67 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:29.879 Canada or Greenland. They're looking at for the last year. 68 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:33.360 When you put this in, people talk about Taco Trump 69 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.919 always chickens out. I said, this is that Trump always 70 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.080 is capricious as well as odious and what he does, 71 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.439 and so we never know from moment to moment, because 72 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.560 neither does he. He doesn't know from moment to moment what 73 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.479 he's going to do, hasn't made up his mind. And 74 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.120 I guess when we look at this war, that's one 75 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:50.479 of the key things. He's back and forth. He doesn't 76 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:52.919 even know where he's going because he hasn't even defined 77 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:56.560 the objectives and what winning looks like in his own mind, 78 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:58.759 let alone for everybody else. And if you had a 79 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.719 debate with this, you would expect at least one person 80 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.319 out of the five hundred and so in Congress would 81 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.199 ask the uncomfortable question, Uh, why are we doing this? 82 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.719 And what does winning look like? What is the objective 83 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.360 in this? And we don't know any of that right now, 84 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:14.840 and so everybody's just wondering how long is he going 85 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.519 to go on this escapade that he's on. Well, you know, 86 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.279 he's going to go one. He's going to go one 87 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:24.519 to unconditional surrender, and to two. He's he's going to 88 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.959 go to the point where oil prices get too high 89 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.120 and he becomes desperate to get out. You know, one 90 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:30.920 of the news sites, i think it was political, reported 91 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.240 the other day that Susie Wilds, the chief of staff, 92 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.319 her hair was virtually on fire trying to figure out. 93 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:38.279 You know, we call in all the secretaries, what can 94 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.959 we do to suppress gasoline prices because we're in big 95 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.800 trouble in November. Well, that's funny. Here's what you could 96 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.199 do to suppress gasoline prices. Don't go to war, that's right. 97 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:55.879 So you know, it's a there's there. There's so much 98 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.959 guidance in in the backstory and the history and the 99 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.839 accumulated wisdom of mankind to prevent these kinds of things. 100 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.480 It's not just declaration of war. You know the story 101 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.199 of what is her name? Who let the let all 102 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.240 the sorrows of the world out of Oh, Pandora Pandora's box. Well, 103 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.079 Prometheus is the one who stole the fire from the gods, 104 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:20.879 the fire of light. You know, that we would be 105 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:22.720 able to use our ration, our reason, and so on 106 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.439 and so forth, and was tormented for having done so. 107 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:30.279 But Prometheus means forethought, and then his brother was afterthought. 108 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.000 His name was Epimetheus, so of course his bride was Pandora. 109 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.360 You think about things later when it's too late. Gee, 110 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.000 I wish I hadn't opened that box. So we have 111 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.639 this not a Promethean society, but an Epimethean society. Yeah, 112 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.639 thinks about everything later, that's right. 113 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.959 Yeah. You know, when we look at this again, we 114 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:49.199 go to war and we've got our guess thanks half old. 115 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:51.879 We don't even have. The Europeans are debating as to 116 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:54.439 whether or not they're going to release their strategic petroleum reserves. 117 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.600 We go to war with ours half empty. Yeah, of course. 118 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.360 So it was emptied by Biden because he put sanctions 119 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:03.839 on and then Trump didn't fill it up, even though 120 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.120 he's bragging about low oil prices last year. He didn't 121 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:07.800 fill up his. 122 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:13.120 Tank when you said, and didn't dump. Didn't Biden dump 123 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.560 the strategic petroleum reserves to make things look better just 124 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:18.879 in time for the November election. 125 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:19.959 That's right, that's right. 126 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:21.920 You know, this is how they work. I mean, we're all, 127 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:26.680 we're all, we're all at play, and our affairs and 128 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.600 our prosperity and our liberties are all at the hands 129 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.279 of these guys that don't know what the heck they're 130 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.199 doing and will do anything to further their own fortunes. 131 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:39.720 I saw, I saw the story, I believe yesterday that 132 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.279 the Trump family, I guess, the sons, you know, I mean, 133 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:47.920 we're already up to our eyeballs and profiteering and crony capitalism. 134 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.480 This thing, you know, I saw riskwatch TV for Donald Trump. 135 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:53.040 I'm your favorite president. Here's my riskwatch. You know that 136 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.839 one of these days somebody's gonna really look into the 137 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:03.079 cryptocurrency stuff. But the boys came up yesterday investing in Wardronesaw, 138 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.160 they have some sort of a deal to take a 139 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:09.199 substantial steak in the production of war Wardrones. I mean, 140 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.600 you know, would Jefferson or Washington have behaved like this 141 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.560 or there, would they have let their family behave like this? 142 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:17.439 Not a chance. I guess. 143 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.360 The most disgusting thing I've seen is everybody is talking 144 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:25.160 about who's responsible for bombing this girls? School and killing 145 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.120 like one hundred and sixty something children. And Trump doesn't 146 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:31.920 even have the respect for the American people who try 147 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.199 to come up with a plausible excuse or deniability, right, 148 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.879 He just makes stuff up like, yeah, we sell the 149 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.639 tomahawk to everybody, and Iran's got him, and Iron probably 150 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.279 did it and all the rest of the stuff. It's 151 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.680 just childish what he's doing and a total disregard for 152 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:52.959 human life. He doesn't We've had the senator from Louisiana, Kennedy, 153 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:58.279 apologize publicly for that, but neither Trump nor Hegseth apologized. 154 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.040 They just said, well, I don't know, maybe you know 155 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.480 somebody else. We'll look into it and see what happened. 156 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:05.199 They don't want to accept responsibility for it. They don't 157 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:08.279 want to apologize, They don't offer any plausible deniability to 158 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.720 the American people. They figure we're just going to go 159 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:14.399 along with whatever they do, and evidently they're right. That's 160 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.759 the amazing thing. So, yeah, you're talking about speaking the peering. 161 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.519 You know, look at Lindsey Graham gloating about how we're 162 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:22.839 all going to get rich the WII. 163 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:25.800 I guess who is who is we? David? Who exactly 164 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.920 is we You know, I posted on my x account 165 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.960 today I think, or yesterday, yesterday or today a stock 166 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.960 chart of raythee On stock makers of the Tomahawk. Oh 167 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:38.639 they're doing great. You may be paying five bucks in 168 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:42.200 California or more for gasoline, but uh, you know, raythee 169 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.240 On shareholders, they're just they're doing great. So we are 170 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:47.039 going to get rich. It's a big club, but you. 171 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.440 And I aren't in it, that's right, which which brings 172 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:53.120 us to replenishing all these arms that they're rapidly running 173 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:56.120 out of. I mean, that's the kind of the subtext 174 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:57.039 of a lot of this is. 175 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:57.480 Uh. 176 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:01.240 You had Cain, who's the share the Joint chiefs of Staff, 177 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:03.200 was saying as they were getting ready to going out, 178 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.399 you know, we may not have sufficient ammunition really for 179 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.879 this right as well as allies. So they were low 180 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:12.519 on allies and ammunition. They're also low on strategic petroleum reserve. 181 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.000 But hey, let's go to war anyway. We'll let Israel 182 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.120 set the timetable and tell us who we have to 183 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:20.159 go to war with. But when you look at this, 184 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.600 and you look at your experience with the Strategic Defense 185 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.440 Initiative that Reagan began, the Indian missile thing. What is 186 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.639 your take. Have you've been following what's happening, I've seen 187 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.559 a lot of different stories about how this is shaking 188 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.759 out on both sides. Which side is running out of missiles? First, 189 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:40.480 whether we have radar sites that have been taken down? 190 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:42.919 What is your take on that? Well, my take is 191 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:46.120 I simply I simply don't know. And secondarily, I don't 192 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:50.200 believe anything in State says yeah. You know, the mutual. 193 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:53.919 Assured destruction defense policy of the United States that prevailed 194 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:57.879 during the sixties and into the seventies was a disaster. 195 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:00.679 You know, it didn't provide any defense. Look at the 196 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.679 defense budget that we had at the time. That provided 197 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.440 no defense for the American people whatsoever. With one small 198 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.159 carve out, and that is that the governing classes in 199 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:13.360 Washington were able to provide a small missile defense system 200 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.039 for themselves, but not for the rest of the country. 201 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.120 I mean, it was an absolute disaster. And you know, 202 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.799 by the game theory, by the game logic of mutual 203 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.039 assured destruction, people that were opponents of it said, well, 204 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.039 if we have a defense capability, which is what Reagan 205 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:32.559 was trying to institute, if we have a defense capability, 206 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:40.679 then the Soviets, the Soviets will be at a disadvantage 207 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.120 because we can strike them and destroy them and they 208 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.159 can't retaliate. And that was the whole standoff logic of 209 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:50.000 that mad period. And so Reagan said, to everybody's shock, 210 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.840 Reagan said, well, we'll just give them the technology too. 211 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.600 So that now the reason. Whatever you think of that, 212 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.279 and I was a being stunned by it, but there's 213 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.559 an internal life to that. But whatever you think of 214 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:06.440 him wanting to do that, Reagan genuinely believed that the 215 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:10.639 United States of America is not a country that preemptively 216 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.600 attacks other countries. I literally believe that there may have 217 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.240 been substantial evidence on the other side. I'm not prepared 218 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:20.600 to say, but it's just been gangbusters since then. I've 219 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.240 attacks on other countries, and you know, we're not very 220 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.120 good at it. We make a mess of things. I mean, 221 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.399 you know, you could look at Iraq, Libya, Syria, the 222 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.240 mess in Ukraine, and now the mess in Iran. And 223 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:36.200 there's no reason to think that the current mess in 224 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.679 Iran is going to turn out any better than the 225 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:39.360 prior ones. 226 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.440 No, no, yeah, it has been a pragmatic disaster when 227 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.759 you're looking at it from that standpoint, no question about it. 228 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.320 But it is also a moral disaster if we can 229 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.159 attack people that have not attacked us throughout history. That 230 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.679 has always been the litmus test for who has justified 231 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:58.759 in their war. Is it a war in defense or 232 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.639 is it a war of a And we've taken the 233 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.399 aggressor point over and over again, and that's I think 234 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.360 where we are right now. So as people are talking 235 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:13.080 about nukes, and we've got reports about some Trump cabinet 236 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.840 members who are building nuclear bunkers. They've got the guy 237 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:18.720 who makes a lot of money doing that. He's not 238 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.879 it for Zuckerberg or whatever. He says. Yeah, I got 239 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.879 a couple of Trump Cabinet members that are asking me 240 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.159 when's it going to be ready? And a lot of 241 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.279 people are concerned about that. What's your take on that 242 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.919 reading the tea leaves that you see in public, Well. 243 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:36.639 I've told friends since before the last election last fall, 244 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.279 that I didn't think that Trump would last two years 245 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.279 of this term. And you know, that's a safe bet 246 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.600 for somebody like me to make because you win so 247 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.440 many ways. You know, there's the ugly way of you know, 248 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:52.000 we know he's been attacked or been assassination attacks. But 249 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.159 there's also the matter of his health, which can't be 250 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:00.360 swept under the carpet forever. That's a challenge. There is 251 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:02.559 the prospect that this will go very badly and the 252 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:05.200 people will recognize it pretty quickly and decide to do 253 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.240 something about it. There's the chance that his mental deterioration 254 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:10.600 will catch up with him like it didn't with Biden, 255 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:16.000 and there's a provision to remove him. There is also 256 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.639 the chance I think that Americans. I don't go down 257 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.799 this because I'm not a master of this topic. I 258 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.480 look at it and it grows by the day, and 259 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:27.360 I guess I alluded to it a few minutes ago. 260 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.879 But the somebody's going to have to do something serious 261 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.360 about looking at the extent of cronyism in this administration. Oh, 262 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.679 it is off the charts. I have never seen anything 263 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:44.120 like this, and this is just it's run rampant. Everything 264 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.679 that's not nailed down, and that's nailed down too, that's right, 265 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:49.279 And they don't even try to hide it. 266 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:51.399 That's what I said. They have so little respect for 267 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:54.679 the intelligence of the American people. Because he is surrounded 268 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.720 by yes men and loyalists. So he figures everybody is 269 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.360 that way, that that supports him. So they don't bother 270 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.480 to come up with a plausible why they don't try 271 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.480 to cover up the the corruption and the cronyism. As 272 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:08.279 you point out, it's all in everybody's face. It's truly amazing. 273 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:11.759 Yeah. And the Congress, you know, they all they care 274 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.279 about is their next re election, and so they they're 275 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.559 afraid that Trump will endorse their opponent and steer money 276 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:19.600 to their opponent and so on, so they dare not 277 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:22.679 say anything. But at one point along the way here, 278 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:24.200 it's going to have to reach a critical mass. The 279 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.200 American people have are losing faith in him. The Maga 280 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:32.840 Coalition is toast, it's history, it's dust, it's finished. He 281 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:36.639 has split it so bad, and I don't know what 282 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:39.919 gets reformed out of it. But you know, now the 283 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:45.919 Republican establishment is cheering for that that neokon deep state 284 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:51.360 figure Marco Rubio to be the next presidential nominee. And 285 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.080 so I mean, we're just we're just in a mess. 286 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.279 But the whole thing is going to fracture in my view, 287 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.960 before the end of this year, and some unforeseen way. 288 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.440 Well I think this war is a good start to 289 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.879 the big ultimate fracture. When when you look at that 290 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.000 and you look at, of course, the Epstein files, that 291 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.759 is something that's become a big problem with his base. 292 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.600 I'm sorry that the what files, I'm sorry, I don't 293 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.480 recognize the term anymore was something they used to talk 294 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:21.559 about last year. They've they've driven that off the front 295 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:22.519 pages for sure. 296 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.120 Yeah, haven't driven it out of this show. I mean, 297 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:29.360 we cover the developments that are there, but they've done 298 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.519 the best they can to make that go away. But 299 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.720 that really has broken faith with his base that is there, 300 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:36.919 and I think that's part of the issue. I'm not 301 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:40.480 sad to see the Maga coalition go away because it 302 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.200 is a coalition that has coalesced around an individual, not 303 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.799 around principles, not around the Constitution, isn't it. 304 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:52.679 Yeahga, Maga is what I say it is. Yeah, that's 305 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:54.799 what he told I think it was Tucker Carlson, or 306 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:58.679 in the response to his break with Tucker Carlson, he said, well, 307 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.120 he's not Mega. Maga is what I say it is. Well, 308 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.879 that's funny. I remember the expression make America great again 309 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.480 long before Trump was out of high school. Yeah, I mean, 310 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.240 I mean, there have been make America Great movements for 311 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.480 a very long time. And the idea, you know, this 312 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:15.679 is supposed to be a government of laws and not 313 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.159 a people, so and that should have been drummed into 314 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:21.440 the American people from the earliest age. But it's not 315 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.679 by whim or caprice whatever the deer leader says. We 316 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.879 don't have deer leaders in this country, or we're not 317 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:31.279 supposed to. So when somebody, when somebody runs on a 318 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:36.159 platform of ending these these these awful, counter productive elective 319 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.399 regime change wars on a program, he should be shamed 320 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.200 by the people to the ends of the earth if 321 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.840 he breaks that val and. 322 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:47.759 He did, and not only had it, but everybody that 323 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.399 was running with him. He had Tulsi Gabbard, you had JD. Vans, 324 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:52.600 all of them were adamant that we're going to not 325 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.759 do this regime change war. Now what are we doing? 326 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:56.759 We're doing the regime change war. 327 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.360 Yeah, I wonder, and I like Tulsi Gabbard very much, 328 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.080 and I debate with myself and maybe you have a 329 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.599 thought about this, but I think, well, she's got to 330 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.519 make a statement, and she's got to resign. And you know, 331 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.759 they're marginalizing her at every extent, if not insulting her 332 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.160 as well. She's got to make a statement and resign. 333 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:17.000 We know on the record what she stood for, and 334 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.720 we know what she said, and then I think, you know, 335 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.480 maybe she feels obligated to stay in there and do 336 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.599 what she can to minimize the damage. I don't know 337 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.680 what the I don't know what the answer is in 338 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.880 jd Vance by the same token, I'm not you know. 339 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.799 Jd Vance has always been a question mark for me. Yeah, 340 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:39.880 I mean, I've trusted Tulsi, but jd Vance I'm not sure. 341 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.200 You know, he says a lot of good things, but 342 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.759 I've never been exactly comfortable or sure. And now we're 343 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.240 watching this and I think, you know, the only thing 344 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.160 he can honorable thing he can do at this point 345 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:55.519 to me, if it were me, I would resign. I'm 346 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.799 not trying to say that that's what he must do. 347 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:00.680 Maybe he you know, maybe he knows that Trump will 348 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:02.920 be gone before the end of this year, is I surmise, 349 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.839 and he wants to be there to pick up the threads. 350 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.799 I guess that could be part of his reckoning. But 351 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.319 maybe that's wise, and maybe I'm foolish. By saying, you know, 352 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.200 somebody's got to resign, because that has a tremendous clarifying 353 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.319 effect on the people. It'll be the topic of discussion 354 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.440 for months if he were to do that, and maybe 355 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:26.960 it would have a salutary effect. 356 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:30.200 I agree. And of course, when you talk about Telsea Gabbard, 357 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.519 I think resigning would be the best thing that she 358 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.680 could do. If she wanted to try to minimize what 359 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:38.960 Trump is doing. What better way to do it than 360 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.200 to lead people away from this and to cement a 361 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:46.240 rebellion against this illegal war. But for her own personal benefit, 362 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:48.759 I don't see how it benefits her to stay there 363 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.160 and deny all of her principles and become a bootlicking 364 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:55.359 lankey like the rest of them. It's just it's amazing. 365 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.039 But speaking of Congress, we talked about Congress being essential 366 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.680 to declare war. Uh, look at what our Congress has done. 367 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.680 You had they basically said I don't want this hot potato, 368 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.000 and they kicked it away. They don't want to have 369 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:12.519 a They shut down a resolution to hold a vote 370 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:17.160 on this, and and and then you've got Mike Johnson saying, well, 371 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:22.079 they attacked us. They hit three of our embassies after 372 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:26.559 the unleashed them. That's the most twisted thing I've seen 373 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.480 out of all this stuff coming from Mike Johnson. 374 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:32.200 It's so twisted. He's he's twisted right along the way. 375 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:35.599 You know, he's a he actually is one of the 376 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:38.039 ones among many who said, well this is not a war. 377 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.599 So but he's he's been twisted, you know. And it's 378 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:43.519 not just that. I mean, he is the one that 379 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.160 For example, there was a movement I guess Nancy Mace 380 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:51.079 led it. There was a movement to open up the 381 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.519 slush fund. There is a congressional slush fund to pay 382 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:59.920 off uh, people who charge congress people elected officials, was 383 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.240 sexual harassment. They don't pay it themselves, their insurance company 384 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.599 doesn't pay it. We pay it, we pay it, and 385 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:08.519 so uh, there was a movement to open the books, 386 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.440 take a look at it. See what John Cornyan has 387 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.039 done if he's one of the perpetrators, and you know, 388 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.960 see what kind of a rats nest this place in 389 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.720 Washington is. And of course they couldn't have that. I mean, 390 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:29.279 that's so flagrant, that's so it's embarrassing to this country's character. 391 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.200 You look at Dennis Hastert longest serving Republicans figure the House, 392 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.160 and you know he was a pedophile. They picked him 393 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:35.880 he as a wrestling coach, they picked him run for 394 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.799 Congress and put him a speaker, and uh, you know, 395 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:40.720 we've seen this happen over and over again. He was 396 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:45.440 on with Rush Limbaugh defending, Uh, was it Tom Delay? 397 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.880 I think uh in terms of yeah, and he was saying, Oh, 398 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.079 it's just politics some of Democrats. There's nothing the same 399 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.960 stuff that Trump is doing now with the Epstein files. 400 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.519 And Uh, it truly is amazing that that has become 401 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:02.160