WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:10.720 Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated 2 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:13.320 to horror movies and awesomeness. This week we have a 3 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:16.800 look at the nineteen ninety four horror film Wolf. This 4 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:20.039 is episode four hundred and fifty seven. Bear in mind 5 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:21.719 if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going to be 6 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:24.000 talking about it from the perspective of horror fans who 7 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.280 have seen it. So warning spoilers ahead. From Denver, Colorado, 8 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.399 I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at castle Bridge Media, 9 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.159 home of the Castle of Horror anthology. With me from 10 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:36.200 Austin is Tony Sabaggio, lead singer and bassis of the 11 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:38.719 band Deserts of Mars and lead guitarist to the band 12 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:42.320 Rise from Fires. Hello, Tony Howdy, also in Austin. Mister 13 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.320 Drew Edwards is the writer creator of the long running 14 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:48.799 underground comic Halloween Man, which you can find at Global Comics. 15 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.640 He is a Best Writer Ringo nominee, Austin Chronicle Best 16 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.240 of Austin Award winner and a member of the Penn 17 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:56.359 America Fellowship. Say Hello, Drew. 18 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.079 Also a man of taste and individuality or is that 19 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.320 vulgarity in conformity? I can't decide that's nice. 20 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:05.560 I like that, and it sounded like you were going 21 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:10.640 to break into song, honestly, and finally, also in Denver color. 22 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:15.200 Commentary from Julia Gusman of Gusman Immigration of Denver Say Hello, Hello, 23 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:17.439 Hello Okay. 24 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:18.920 Wolf. 25 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.519 Wolf is a nineteen ninety four American romantic horror film 26 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.519 directed by Mike Nicholson starring Jack Nicholson. This is a 27 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:28.040 heck of a cast, all right. I know I say 28 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:31.079 that all the time, and sometimes it's less true than others. 29 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:34.840 But this time it really is Jack Nicholson, Michelle Pfeiffer, 30 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:41.239 James Spader, Kate Nelligan, Richard Jenkins, Christopher Plummer, David Hyde Pierce. 31 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.879 It was written by Jim Harrison and Wesley Strick and 32 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.120 apparently an uncredited Elaine May. The music was composed by 33 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.319 Enny O. Morriconi. And sometimes you can really hear it, 34 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:56.920 you can really hear the morriconiness, and then sometimes it 35 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:01.840 sounds like somebody else. So le's got our opening thoughts, Julia. 36 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:04.000 I don't think we've started with you in a few weeks, 37 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:08.120 which makes sense because we go around Robin. So let's go, Julia, Drew, 38 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.840 Tony and then I'll go Julia. Well, first of all, 39 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 we watched this together in the movie theater back in 40 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.840 nineteen ninety four, so I don't know if you remembered 41 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:18.080 it at all. 42 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.520 I didn't really. I mean it felt familiar, but I 43 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:26.439 didn't remember it. However, this is one of those films where, 44 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.960 because I know when it came out, it's like so 45 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.759 just frozen in a moment in time. We had just 46 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.719 gotten married, we were in law school, and the day 47 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.280 it comes out is the day that O. J. Simpson 48 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:43.800 White Bronco Chase happens. So it's like so much just like, oh, 49 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.479 I know exactly when this is. But no, I think 50 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.000 this is a really fun movie. I love the cast. 51 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.520 It's really interesting to see that, like you said, it's Marconi. 52 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.680 It was supposed to be John Williams, but then he 53 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.000 couldn't wait around because it got delayed. The movie got delay. 54 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.719 There's so many different casting choices that were supposed to 55 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:04.919 be somebody else, and so I've just this could have 56 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.520 been a completely different film, depending on if the original 57 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.439 people that they wanted had all been available. But anyway, 58 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:13.520 but it turns out great. But of course Jack Nicholson 59 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.000 was always I mean, he was the one who wanted 60 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:16.560 to do it, so he was, and he's so perfect 61 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.879 for this. He's such a wolf. So I think it's fun. 62 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:21.319 I had a blast watching it. 63 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:23.400 Wonderful. Thank you Tony laid on me. 64 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.759 Yeah, this is definitely I'm with you that it's kind 65 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.520 of it's very much a time capsule. I don't think 66 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.439 I caught it until later, just because of the timing 67 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.479 of everything. I probably caught it a video I remember, 68 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.960 maybe cable. Like, Yeah, I think it's got an excellent cast. 69 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:40.680 I've seen a lot of like, got a lot of 70 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.800 criticism evidently, but I don't know, it's pretty solid over 71 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:48.840 all in my opinion. Excellent cast, great score. It's kind 72 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:52.599 of trying to do something interesting. It's kind of a 73 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.000 smaller film than like maybe We're American were Wolf in London. 74 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.680 You know, it's but I I think it does some 75 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.599 interesting things. And of course, you know, everybody who needs 76 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.479 to chew up the scenery is chewing up the scenery 77 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.840 in the best possible way, and you know the way 78 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:13.199 that it's yet another film that shows like, hey, here's 79 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.759 all the rich people acted. You know, this is a 80 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.639 publishing company, but it's you know, sorry, Jack, this is 81 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.439 the way things work in the biz kind of thing. 82 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:23.079 And you know, who are the monsters? 83 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:24.000 Really? Right? 84 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.959 I yeah, I dug it. I'm glad we're covering it. 85 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.079 It is a you know, we've been doing these, we've 86 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.560 been doing werewolf movies, and this is probably going to 87 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:35.040 be our last one for a while. And it was 88 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.120 chosen by Drew, and I think it is a neat 89 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:38.800 one to cap it off with. Drew, what are your 90 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:39.519 opening thoughts? 91 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:44.079 Well, you know, this is definitely the most a list 92 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.000 of all the werewolf movies that we've covered. I mean, 93 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:51.519 we covered some recent ones that were fairly big productions, 94 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.040 but I don't think quite on the level of this. 95 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.319 I really have come to like this movie a lot. 96 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.600 I can't rememb remember what my thought. I did see 97 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:03.759 it in the theater when it came out, because when 98 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.240 I was a teenager, I basically saw every new horror 99 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:11.160 and sci fi movie, like basically the moment they came out, 100 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.160 but I can't really remember what my thoughts were at 101 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.040 the time. I think though, that this is a movie. 102 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:19.800 I know it. 103 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:24.399 It has gotten criticism and continues to get criticism from 104 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.600 some people, but for me, this is a movie that 105 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.040 has aged like a fine wine. Like I think the 106 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.279 more times I watch it, the better it gets, you know, 107 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:39.000 I really think that it Honestly, if if it had 108 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.480 been better received at the time, I think that this 109 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.959 would be considered one of the pillars of the werewolf 110 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.839 genre instead of that, you know, seene as sort of 111 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:55.040 a kind of oddity of the nineties. But I think 112 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.600 a lot of the choices that that are kind of 113 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.480 batted around, you know, among fan circles, like the choice 114 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:06.920 of doing a more minimal were wolf makeup, have aged 115 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:10.399 really well. I think if they had done a bunch 116 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:14.120 of cgi effects or done a really heavy makeup on 117 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.000 Jack Nicholson, I think you would have lost with what 118 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.279 is possibly the best special effect in the whole movie, 119 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:27.480 which is Jack Nicholson's naturally wolfish face. But I think 120 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.480 this is a really interesting take on the were wolf genre. 121 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.079 I think it's it's kind of meat as a kind 122 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.240 of sort of but not really a remake of The 123 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:41.759 Wolf Man. And I'm happy to be talking about it. 124 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.959 This This movie does age extremely well. I mean, I 125 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:49.120 I this is this is my opening thought. You know, 126 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.399 there's this is a movie that i'd kind of forgot existed, 127 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.959 and it's it makes me aware that we are so 128 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.600 affected by the reputation that a movie has. It's not 129 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.240 like this has a bad reputation, but as far as 130 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.319 I can tell, people's opinion about it was sort of 131 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.199 like why is it there? Like why what you know? Where? 132 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:10.800 Why did it happen? What was the meaning of it? 133 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.959 And so it got cast aside. But I don't feel 134 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.759 like it hits any wrong notes that come to mind 135 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:22.079 right now, And so, you know, it's just really strong. 136 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.439 And then I'm such a sucker for anything that is 137 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.240 deeply timestamped. And there's so much going on in the 138 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.959 world of the nineteen nineties that's sort of on display 139 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.079 around the edges of this movie. That's you know, I 140 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.000 just I just really enjoyed it from beginning to end. 141 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.120 It doesn't it doesn't wear out. It's welcome, all right, 142 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.879 So let's start. You know, I want to talk about 143 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.279 the cast, but I think first we should put this 144 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.360 in context. So, Drew, you were talking about how this 145 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:52.040 movie is actually part of a system of nineties classic 146 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:56.360 monster revivals that they were trends of the nineteen nineties. 147 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:58.879 This is not the one we always think of but 148 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.319 it is one that it's it is definitely a part. 149 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.560 Well like if you look back to the Coppola Dracula, 150 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.519 that did kick off a trend of getting a list directors, 151 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:15.360 a list actors and big budgets to revisit classic monster characters. 152 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:20.120 And there was the Kenneth Brouna Rankenstein with Robert de 153 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.240 Niro as the monster, and then you had this, and 154 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.480 then you also had Mary Riley, which was a take 155 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:33.000 on Doctor Jekyll and mister Hyde with you know, Julia 156 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:39.559 Jo and Julia Roberts. Yes, and you know, you could 157 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.799 even kind of grandfather the remake of The Mummy in that, 158 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.639 even though it would be the tail end. But you know, 159 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.279 all of these, all of these movies, you know, they 160 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.600 didn't they weren't created in a vacuum. It was created 161 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.759 because one thing was successful, and so studios did what 162 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:02.559 studios always do. They started looking at what IP they 163 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.679 could mine. And of course the thing is about the 164 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:10.720 classic monster characters, most of them are public domain. The 165 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.360 Wolfman is not, which is why this is only a 166 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:18.720 kind of sort of remake of the Wolfman. But it's 167 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.919 or I would call it maybe a spiritual successor to 168 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:27.519 the Wolfman. But you know, this movie, I think also 169 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:31.399 even with people who are genre savvy, and because like 170 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.360 when people are thinking about genre trends in the nineties, 171 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:38.559 of course everybody the horror cliche is the teen slasher, 172 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.679 the grace that was started by screen and that was 173 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:45.639 a behemoth, I get it, but that was really more 174 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:49.399 the tail end of the nineties, you know, like like horror, 175 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.720 the horror genre, you know, was a lot more amorphous 176 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.799 through like the earlier part of the decade, and these 177 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.240 types of movies, these sort of you know, what we 178 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:02.159 would probably call now call it elevated horror. But like, 179 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:05.720 you know, these these movies that came out, you know, 180 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:08.120 we're definitely part of a trend, and I think it's 181 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:10.440 weird that no one really talks about it. And I 182 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:14.840 think that also this movie, even among the few sort 183 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.159 of you know times I have seen that talked about, 184 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:21.559 this movie does kind of get left out of that 185 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:26.159 as well, because all those other movies were gothic period pieces. 186 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.919 In this movie is of course contemporary, although I would 187 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:35.159 argue that it's contemporary in the same way The Wolfman, 188 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:40.320 the original Wolfman was a contemporary nineteen forties movie, but 189 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:44.679 also lived in this weird world where there's this, This 190 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:48.240 lives in a fun house mirror version of the nineteen nineties. 191 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:53.679 And so I'm comfortable saying that this movie wouldn't exist 192 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.200 without all those other movies, and that that that kind 193 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.000 of answers your question of the how and the world 194 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.960 why of this movie as to why it exists. That's 195 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.559 why because studios saw that Dracula was successful, so they 196 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.120 they started thinking, well, what other famous monsters of film 197 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:12.720 land can we dust all. 198 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:17.200 It's really I mean, first of all, I love what 199 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.440 this thing looks like. I know that we just watched 200 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.200 a nineties movie last week, so so this is sort 201 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.960 of repeating my thought. But there's a look of nineties 202 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:29.200 pictures that that I find just very interesting to look 203 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:33.039 at the color here. This movie takes place ostensibly in 204 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.240 New York City, although the office building they're in is 205 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.559 the Bradbury Building, which is this really interesting building with 206 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:44.000 these right these these iron gated elevators everywhere and the 207 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:46.679 elevator operators, and it's. 208 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.279 It is the nineties iron irons. 209 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:53.039 Just yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, there's it's the night exactly 210 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:56.000 as you said, Drew, it's the nineties, but kind of 211 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.240 with a forties gloss in a sense. I mean a 212 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.399 lot of times I felt, in fact that it was 213 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.840 like The Big Sleep or something, because with especially with 214 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:10.080 Jack Nicholson getting involved in this really rich guy's you know, 215 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.960 kind of kind of wild daughter who lives in a little, 216 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:17.279 a little garden cottage on this grand estate. I mean, 217 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.360 in many ways it felt like a classic, you know, 218 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:25.440 Sam Spade kind of movie, except for that Jack Nicholson 219 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:30.879 is a book publisher turning into a werewolf. And but gosh, 220 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.600 what a cool looking movie. I thought, you know, I 221 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.440 didn't even know. I wouldn't have had any awareness of 222 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.159 this in the nineties because the picture is that we're 223 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:44.799 looking at that world is gone now. So yes, so, 224 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:47.480 by the way, and I'd love to get you guys 225 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.799 thoughts on this. Do you find that you're poisoned by 226 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.799 the reputations that a movie has. I mean, for instance, 227 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.879 if somebody goes, I'm gonna I'm gonna see I don't know, 228 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:00.799 I mentioned The Big Squeak. I'm going to watch the 229 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.480 Robert Mitchum remake of The Big Sleep from nineteen seventy eight, 230 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:06.639 somebody goes, oh, yeah, well, I remember that wasn't very popular. 231 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.440 Does that cause you to already kind of have a 232 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.120 well this movie doesn't count or some sort of minor 233 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:18.320 vote against it, or are you affected by the reputations 234 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:19.559 of films at all? 235 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.639 I think that for me personally, it usually has led 236 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:27.919 to me maybe not watching something and then being like 237 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:33.000 I to be fair, I've seen more things that where 238 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.120 I went, oh, I heard that wasn't so great, and 239 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.240 then I watched it went or are people talking about 240 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.360 at the time? Right, Yeah, this is like at the 241 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.480 very least maybe like solid sometimes great. But you also 242 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:47.399 have to think, like, you know, how many movies we 243 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.279 enjoy were critically panned at the time. Yeah, click it, 244 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.679 but like the thing was an example, like you just 245 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.679 didn't do that well at like wild for whatever reason. 246 00:13:55.759 --> 00:14:00.639 So like I have found more often that somebody will go, no, no, 247 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:04.399 you really should see that. Now. On that note, I 248 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:07.960 don't think I've ever seen like ishtar right, And you know, 249 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.440 but again people like, no, you should revisit that. I haven't, 250 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.120 but like I I don't since I've discovered since we 251 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.000 can stream more things and you can just pick up 252 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:20.559 something you're not making, you're not you're not financially beholden 253 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:25.120 to you know, five bucks rental. I find myself. I 254 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.799 don't know if I'm just kind of more game for whatever, 255 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.559 or just like I or just because I love movies. 256 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.759 So for me, it doesn't necessarily color it like maybe 257 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.320 maybe coming into it you'll be a little hesitant. But 258 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.000 I've discovered so many things that I don't think I 259 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.120 have that same reticence. It's more like, yeah, I guess 260 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.080 I should, Like I've heard enough good things, now I 261 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.840 should I should really see that you know, movie X, 262 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.360 you name it. I mean there's there's dozens probably well, 263 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:52.440 but yeah. 264 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:54.320 I find you know, I find that I'm not I 265 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.960 am not susceptible. And this is because I guess I've 266 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.759 reached a certain age, right there was certainly an age 267 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:04.159 where are somebody making a snarky comment about something about 268 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.759 how a kind of movie is not cool or whatever. 269 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.120 This has probably been true since my twenties that it 270 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.559 just has no effect in me anymore, you know it. 271 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.279 It's always me and the piece, and if the piece 272 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:19.320 is good, then I it just doesn't matter to me. 273 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.440 Like I could be at a party and go, oh, 274 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.480 I watched this movie, and they go oh, those kind 275 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.960 of movies are so stupid or some nonsense comment, and 276 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.399 you go, well, no, I recommend you give this a shot. 277 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.600 You just have to, just because I think people go 278 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:36.759 through life and they just repeat stuff because like as 279 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:38.759 though they're in a groove, as though they're just sort 280 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.360 of saying things that have been handed out in little 281 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.399 cards that you're going to say. And you know, but 282 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.159 the great thing about the world we live in now 283 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.039 you're right with Truby. It can farm something up to 284 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.720 you and you go, huh okay, I'll check that out 285 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.320 and it turns out, you know, it's a neat piece 286 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:55.639 of work. 287 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:59.720 Yeah. But also you know, I also think about traditionally 288 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.759 liking horror movies and you know, weird B movies and stuff. 289 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.080 Growing up that was often the case of like, how 290 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:06.919 could you watch that? 291 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:07.519 Right? 292 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.919 Whatever, so snarky comment. As an adult, it can make 293 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:12.120 my own choices. 294 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.840 And have I have a lot less Yeah, it just 295 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:15.039 doesn't matter, right. 296 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:16.519 Okay, man? 297 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:17.320 Sure? 298 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:18.159 Whatever? 299 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:20.200 Well, I mean I live. 300 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.480 Sorry, you don't enjoy stuff elsewhere. 301 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.679 Right, No, I was just thinking I live for TV 302 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:32.320 miniseries and melodramas and and nineties thrillers and all kinds 303 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.799 of stuff that people think doesn't really have a place 304 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.000 in critical thinking, and it just doesn't matter to me. 305 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.600 It has meaning to me, and that's and that's good enough. Okay, 306 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:44.960 I'm sorry, we've been out in outer space. Let's uh, 307 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.360 I will bring it back. Uh, let's talk about cast. 308 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.120 So Jack Nicholson, here's what's weird true. This will this 309 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.799 might intrigue you. I feel like this is one of 310 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.559 the last movies where I saw Jack Nicholson play something 311 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:02.720 kind of like a normal person, like because I feel 312 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.400 like I'm not even sure what was going on after this, 313 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:08.119 but I kind of find I. 314 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:10.039 Think it's kind of the opposite. It's the last movie 315 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:13.480 that he does it's sort of horror ish, whereas after 316 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.759 this he only plays. I feel like he only plays, and. 317 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:23.680 I think he started kind of evolving into almost spoofing 318 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.359 his own persona. 319 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.400 Yeah, you're he's playing a he's playing a book editor. 320 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.759 He's losing his hair, he's trying to But. 321 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.400 A lot of that is well, okay, So one thing 322 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.680 that I'm not going there where you want to go. 323 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:42.279 I'm not going. 324 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:44.559 Back on my opening thoughts, but this is the I 325 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:49.039 will say. One flaw that this movie has is we 326 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:53.680 never see Jack Nicholson as who he was before the 327 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.599 wolf bite. You know this this thing opens on a 328 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.920 beautiful shot of the full moon, and within two minutes, 329 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.240 Jack Nicholson has been bitten by a wolf. So and 330 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:12.799 it's a beautifully shot sequence. The cinematography is very dreamy. 331 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:15.720 So I'm not saying that it shouldn't be in there, 332 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:20.440 but we are only inferred. Like like the thing that 333 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:23.799 they keep saying about Jack Nicholson's character, Oh you're a 334 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:28.119 nice guy. Oh, you know, there's all this stuff to 335 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.279 put forth the idea that that his character is the 336 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.279 sort of put upon, you know, doormat of a guy. 337 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.839 But we never really see that because you know, the 338 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.119 next thing, we know, we're at a dinner party and 339 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:49.440 Jack Nicholson's giving like a full on you know, Jack Nicholson, 340 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.440 you know, I hate the nineties speech and and you 341 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.039 know we have you know, with the people other party 342 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:01.839 guests being all disgusted at his Jack Nicholson monologue, with 343 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.359 it's full of Jack Nicholson type dialogue. And I mean 344 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.480 there's still stuff that happens when we see you know, 345 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.559 like we learned that his you know, his wife's having 346 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:14.759 an affair and that she's having an affair with his protege. 347 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.359 We see this stuff that his his life is kind 348 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.799 of being you know, disassembled because perhaps he was a doormat. 349 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:27.359 But we never see Jack Nicholson really play that. We 350 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.680 only see Jack Nicholson the but the guy that's turning 351 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:35.359 into a where and the way where wolf it works 352 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:38.480 in this movie is it's not like, you know, he's 353 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:41.319 only where a were wolf by night. You know, he's 354 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.039 always wolfy, you know. 355 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.920 With the full moon, it's just any well, it's. 356 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.559 Like the it's like the fuller the moon gets the 357 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.839 wolf f ere he gets. 358 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.559 But yeah, that's what I thought, Like the. 359 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.160 The you know, it's it's the guy they come in 360 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.039 in to explain the lore. It's like it's always it's 361 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.480 always present. And you know we see that in his behavior. 362 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.519 He's aggressive, his his and he his hair starts to 363 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:17.160 come back in. He says snarky Jack Nicholson esque things, 364 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.640 and you know, and look, I'm I'm you know, I 365 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:23.839 when I plunk down my money to watch Jack Nicholson 366 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.880 play a werewolf, I don't want to see Jack Nicholson 367 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:32.359 necessarily playing against type. But I do think maybe five 368 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:37.799 ten minutes of him playing a nerdy book editor probably 369 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:42.920 would have helped the transition seem a little bit more extreme. 370 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:47.880 That's a good point. And it's weird how how Nicholson 371 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:51.759 he's so watchable that I don't care, right, Oh, he's great. 372 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.200 How Nicholson is such a ball of affectations, you know, 373 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.599 with the licking is his you know, his like doing 374 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:02.839 the thing with his tongue, like he has a bad 375 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.160 taste in his mouth, and the sort of sometimes bug 376 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:07.319 eyed look in the well. 377 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.480 There was ever if there was ever a guy that 378 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.480 was perfectly cast as a as a middle aged where wolf, 379 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:16.880 it was Jack Nicholson. 380 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:18.680 Oh no, he's by the way, all that stuff I 381 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:21.359 just said sounds like I don't like Jack Nicholson, But 382 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.119 it's that's not it at all. I really I really 383 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:26.640 enjoy him. But if you think of like Jack Nicholson 384 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:29.160 before he was Jack Nicholson, you know, like I don't. 385 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:33.599 Know Roger Roger Corman, Jack Nicholson, Roger Corman, Jack Nicholson. 386 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:38.079 Can I tell you a bit from IMDb about about 387 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.960 Jack Nicholson. So apparently he's allergic to spirit gum, and 388 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:45.319 so they were he was. He told Rick Baker not 389 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:49.039 to use the spirit gum. So he used something else. 390 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:51.960 But then one day it seems like somebody accidentally, I 391 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.119 guess it's bigger. I accidentally put spirit gum. And so 392 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.359 the next day he came in like broke out in 393 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.599 hives and he goes, he goes, Ricky, boy, you used 394 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:07.640 spirit gum, didn't you. I'm just imagining about terrifying. Terrifying 395 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.960 that would be to have Jack Nicholson like coming in 396 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:11.119 looking like this is. 397 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:17.000 But when I talk about him being this is the 398 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:19.359 this is the thing, It's very difficult to bury Jack 399 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:23.759 Nicholson under any role. And that was Stephen King's problem 400 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.680 with him as Jack Horance is like he's not playing 401 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:31.799