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<v Speaker 1>Greatly.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that scraggly stuff going over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's posty, wild posty, and it's sprung up by itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Amusing Jews, where we celebrate Jewish contributors and

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<v Speaker 1>contributions to American popular culture. I'm Jonathan Friedman and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joey Angelfield producer engineer Mike Tomran is working somewhere behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes. Amusing Jews is a project of a Dot

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<v Speaker 1>Havareine Congregation for Humanistic Judaism, the Jewish Museum of the

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<v Speaker 1>American West, and Atheist United Studios. Hey, Joey, plants are

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<v Speaker 1>meant to grow outdoors, and as our guests will tell us,

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<v Speaker 1>this includes cannabis.

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<v Speaker 3>We're delighted to chat with Joanna Silver, a garden writer

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<v Speaker 3>and author of the book Growing Weed in the Garden,

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<v Speaker 3>a no fuss seed to stash guide to outdoor cannabis cultivation. Joanna,

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Amusing Jews.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, I'm delighted to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't call yourself a stoner, and yet you wrote

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<v Speaker 3>this book. How did this project come about?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, high school, Joanna would have told you that this

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<v Speaker 5>book was meant to be. It was beshers but actually

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<v Speaker 5>I am a longtime garden writer, and I got my

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<v Speaker 5>start at a magazine out here called Sunset, and I

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<v Speaker 5>started designing and building small gardens for the editorial test garden.

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<v Speaker 5>So I come about my cultivation skills honestly. And I

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<v Speaker 5>lost my job in twenty seventeen and was desperate to

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<v Speaker 5>keep writing, so I reached out to every editor I'd

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<v Speaker 5>ever worked with, and one of them had landed at

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<v Speaker 5>the San Francisco Chronicle. And this was just on the

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<v Speaker 5>cusp of recreational cultivation and us going into effect, and

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<v Speaker 5>everyone was curious how to talk about it and how

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<v Speaker 5>to handle it. And she said she had this idea

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<v Speaker 5>that a seasoned gardener would grow it in their backyard

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<v Speaker 5>and tell people how to do it. And I told her,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't even know where to get seeds, and she said,

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<v Speaker 5>that's your opening line.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's how this came to be.

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<v Speaker 5>I did a ten part series for the Chronicle, and

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<v Speaker 5>all the information I found was written for dudes by

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<v Speaker 5>dudes in basements with equipment and tents and all sorts

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<v Speaker 5>of scary filters.

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<v Speaker 2>I grow sticky, fat, dank nugs. I love growing marijuana outdoors,

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<v Speaker 2>but I find so many advantages to grow in marijuana indoors,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what this show is about.

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<v Speaker 5>And none of it was just like growing it outdoors

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<v Speaker 5>in your garden.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was basically a book waiting to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You're reminding me of the house that I live in now.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we moved in, the previous residents here they turned

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<v Speaker 1>the whole house into a potform an indoor thing quite illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>They changed all the plumbing and electricity and all that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, So I mean benefit for us, The

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<v Speaker 1>house was completely new when we moved in because they

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<v Speaker 1>had to redo everything. I just learned, because I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>an aficionado in this, that you're only allowed to grow

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<v Speaker 1>like six plants. Is that true?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's six per had six per person in your households,

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<v Speaker 5>so you can get up to quite a few going.

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<v Speaker 5>But it is in California at six per person, and

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<v Speaker 5>people have been busted.

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<v Speaker 1>You described cannabis as one of the oldest cultivated plants

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Could you take us through some of

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<v Speaker 1>that history.

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<v Speaker 5>So, along with plants like barley and wheat and rice

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<v Speaker 5>and flax, these old ancient plants were cultivated, which just

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<v Speaker 5>means they were bred by humans. To get more desirable

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<v Speaker 5>traits because of how useful they were, And indeed, weed

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<v Speaker 5>is one of the most useful plants. It's fibers, the

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<v Speaker 5>hemp fiber was spun intopes and woven into textiles and

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<v Speaker 5>made into sales, and eventually paper and seeds were pressed

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<v Speaker 5>for oil, and also eaten and flowers were smoked or

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<v Speaker 5>incensed for ceremony or perhaps medicinal purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>In the archaeological record, we do know that like in

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Israel, for instance, weed does appear, and Joey was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it has something to do with incense in the

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<v Speaker 1>temple as well. There's certain theories about that. Do we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the ancients were smoking it and getting high

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<v Speaker 1>or were they using it for all this other stuff

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<v Speaker 5>What I've read about fossils found is that it suggests

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<v Speaker 5>more it was incensed in areas and not like smoked

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<v Speaker 5>out of pipes or things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we call it weed? Is it technically a weed?

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<v Speaker 3>What is a weed? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's a great question. There are indeed a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of names for this plant. You may have noticed the

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<v Speaker 5>ice deeer clear of marijuana, and that is because that

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<v Speaker 5>word has roots in racism and xenophobia. Comes from Mexican Spanish,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was really pegged on immigrants in the coming

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<v Speaker 5>from Mexico at the beginning of the twentieth century and

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<v Speaker 5>used to stigmatize the plant, stigmatize the people the immigration,

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<v Speaker 5>and painted as a dangerous vice. So I really steer

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<v Speaker 5>clear of marijuana.

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<v Speaker 4>Cannabis.

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<v Speaker 5>Latin term and weed has also been around since at

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<v Speaker 5>least the beginning of the twentieth century, but really fell

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<v Speaker 5>into popularity in the nineties, which is probably why I

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<v Speaker 5>am so comfortable using it as that was my weed era.

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<v Speaker 5>Weed is a word that just means anything growing where

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<v Speaker 5>you don't want.

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<v Speaker 4>It to grow.

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<v Speaker 5>So weed does grow pretty adaptably all around the world,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I know that in the Midwest it's called

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<v Speaker 5>ditch weed. These like not very pungent more hemp varieties grow.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like in roads and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's weeds are Weed is just plant that you

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<v Speaker 5>don't want growing where it's growing.

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<v Speaker 3>That was what I learned back in my environmentalist days

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<v Speaker 3>in Long Beach, when I was, you know, an environmental steward.

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<v Speaker 3>That was what they taught me. A weed was was

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<v Speaker 3>just any plant you didn't want growing there.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly like a dandy lyon.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, And when you say ditch weed, I'm also thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think I've heard that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of weed growing in Pyongyang in other parts of North Korea,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know, I don't think it's like high

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<v Speaker 3>quality cinsama, but I think that they are, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there there's like you say, yeah, it kind of grows everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely speaking of high quality weed. When I was in

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<v Speaker 1>high school, I was on a ski trip in Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>and my cousin who was working there, was into this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and he gave me some Alaskan thunder fuck, which apparently

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<v Speaker 1>is like one of the better, like more like potent versions,

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<v Speaker 1>and it totally floored me. I was not used to it,

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<v Speaker 1>even in its mild form, and it it knocked me

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<v Speaker 1>out pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>What did Stone Jonathan look like?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was probably wearing a tied I shirt

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<v Speaker 1>with very long hair and quite a bit of acne,

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<v Speaker 3>I also remember when my aunt came over to my

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<v Speaker 3>brought skittles, and that was the one that floored me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've sort of been on a quest ever since

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<v Speaker 3>then to see if it still exists. But I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, as you go into in the book, these

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<v Speaker 3>cultivars are pretty ephemeral and a little bit sketchy, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think you do a good job of also describing

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<v Speaker 3>how it's a wild West out there because it's been

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<v Speaker 3>underground and it's been prohibited for so long that they

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<v Speaker 3>haven't had the opportunity to really get scientific with it

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<v Speaker 3>and find out what all these cultivars are. I really

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<v Speaker 3>appreciated that aspect of your book.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely nobody was taking good notes or records of what

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<v Speaker 5>they were breeding, because that could have just added to

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<v Speaker 5>your jail sentence.

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<v Speaker 3>Enjoying the show, click like and subscribe.

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<v Speaker 1>You note that growing weed is perfect for people knew gardening.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 4>It's true?

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<v Speaker 5>It's a perfect starter plant. First of all, it's not

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<v Speaker 5>a big commitment. It's one growing season, so think tomato

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<v Speaker 5>late spring to early fall, or you can get even

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<v Speaker 5>shorter breeds than that, shorter varieties than that, so not

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<v Speaker 5>a long term commitment. Grows super fast, super quickly, super big,

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<v Speaker 5>depending on variety. It's really a dramatic plant. It grows,

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<v Speaker 5>it does all this leafy growth and then switches to flowering,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's just a really dramatic effect to watch happen.

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<v Speaker 5>The smells are hilarious. If you have any weed in

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<v Speaker 5>your past and suddenly you're growing in your garden, it's

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<v Speaker 5>just completely amusing. And they're super funky smells, mango or

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<v Speaker 5>you know, people are selling them based on like gasoline smells,

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<v Speaker 5>all sorts of weird smells.

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<v Speaker 4>The flowers are unworldly. It's not like.

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<v Speaker 5>Your typical flower garden, but they're beautiful. It's also a

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<v Speaker 5>really fussy plant. It's drought tolerant, as we've said, it

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<v Speaker 5>grows everywhere. It's really adaptable, so it doesn't need a

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<v Speaker 5>ton of water, it doesn't need a lot of fertilizer,

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't need a lot of stuff, and it's just

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<v Speaker 5>a great fun crop to try out for the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>I also really appreciate it. In your book. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's beautiful pictures of people's gardens where they're going next

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<v Speaker 3>to lantana and Dahlia's, you know, some of my wife's

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<v Speaker 3>and her aunt's favorite plants. And I thought, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>my wife would really appreciate this book, even though she's

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<v Speaker 3>really not a stoner, but Another thing I really appreciated

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<v Speaker 3>about your book In This Realm was the way you

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<v Speaker 3>described a gardener as somebody who I can't remember, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna misquote you on it, but you know, somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>kills plants and then learns how to do it better

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<v Speaker 3>the next time. And it was so empowering and liberating

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<v Speaker 3>for me to think, oh, Okay, I'm a gardener too.

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<v Speaker 3>I can get there, I can experiment and get better

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<v Speaker 3>at this.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. And I wrote it with two readers in mind.

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<v Speaker 5>One was my sister in law, who's a total stoner

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<v Speaker 5>but never touched the soil, and I thought if anything

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<v Speaker 5>could get her to touch soil, it would be weed.

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<v Speaker 5>So I wanted her to be able to walk her

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<v Speaker 5>through it that simply. And then the other is like

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<v Speaker 5>somebody I used to work with who's a gardener, but,

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<v Speaker 5>like your wife, no interest in weed, and why not

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<v Speaker 5>expand her horizons to include this into her garden as well.

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<v Speaker 3>You write that there is nothing else in the world

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<v Speaker 3>so widely grown but so little understood and yet to

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<v Speaker 3>be studied. What do you make of all the excitement

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<v Speaker 3>around weed?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, every other plant has had generations of scientific research

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<v Speaker 5>that's gone into it at that at this point, and

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<v Speaker 5>because of prohibition, weed has really missed out, so be

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<v Speaker 5>it agricultural reasons like disease resistance or better yield, or

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<v Speaker 5>tracing varieties like we're talking about tracing cultivars and knowing

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<v Speaker 5>their histories to medicinal potential, We've just really it's just

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<v Speaker 5>all untapped potential at this point. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>what a lot of the excitement is about.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make also of like the medical benefits

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<v Speaker 1>or I mean, do you do you buy into that

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<v Speaker 1>completely or is some of that exaggerated?

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I I as a non stoner but well versed in

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<v Speaker 5>a previous life, I never found anything to help me

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<v Speaker 5>based on strain. So like if a strain was supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to do X, I never felt that benefit. Even if

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<v Speaker 5>it was like sleep or anxiety reduction, they all sort

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<v Speaker 5>of had the same impact on me, which is make

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<v Speaker 5>me want to dance and clean a closet. So I

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<v Speaker 5>steer very clear from recommending cultivars for people. And in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of the medical potential, I think it's huge, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm like a modern science type of gal.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna go to the doctor and have them tell

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<v Speaker 5>me what to take type of a gal, so I

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<v Speaker 5>will wait until that research comes down the pipeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard from people who have used your book

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<v Speaker 1>as a growing manual?

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, this is so lovely.

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<v Speaker 5>Shout out to Merrik Community College in Oakland. They actually

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<v Speaker 5>used the book as they're growing manual for their outdoor

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<v Speaker 5>cultivation class. The program got cut due to budget cut,

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<v Speaker 4>Not to suit my own horn, but.

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<v Speaker 5>I do hear from people reaching out quite a bit

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<v Speaker 5>that have used the book year after year, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think they really appreciate it because I'm a no fuss,

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<v Speaker 5>not a very babying type of gardener to the plant.

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<v Speaker 5>Like it's sort of like tough love and you don't

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<v Speaker 5>have to do a lot. I'm not trying to like

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<v Speaker 5>maximize yields with any weird pruning techniques that were created

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<v Speaker 5>frankly because people were growing indoors trying to compensate for

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<v Speaker 5>not having the sunshine just moving across the sky. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's a very no fuss type of book that I

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<v Speaker 5>think people find really useful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that you mentioned that is it easier to

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, Jonathan, Yes, what plant wants to grow inside. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean maybe you're monsterra like a house plan, but yes,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean what you spoke to what had to be

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<v Speaker 5>done in your old house or in your house by

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<v Speaker 5>previous owners to get this plant to grow inside. You

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<v Speaker 5>need none of that outdoors. And that I was confused

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<v Speaker 5>by that too, when I started like, do I need

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<v Speaker 4>Do I need No, it's just a plant.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll say, you know, on the flip side, there's

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<v Speaker 3>been I think recently, kind of alarming information about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>indoor growers who use pesticides and then clear it all

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<v Speaker 3>out and then think that the plants aren't gonna leach

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<v Speaker 3>it out of the walls, and sure enough, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there is a bunch of gnarly stuff it's leeching back

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<v Speaker 3>into their plants even though they think they cleared out

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<v Speaker 3>the place. It's scary stuff. So yeah, carry your stuff outdoors,

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<v Speaker 3>people on the balcony and in the garden with your

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<v Speaker 3>other beautiful plants. It'll make them smell great. They'll all

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<v Speaker 3>get along, they'll you know. I think that's another part

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<v Speaker 3>of your book that you speak really beautifully too, is

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<v Speaker 3>you know your plants need friends and the you know

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<v Speaker 3>the terpenes are gonna just get that much more interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's mysterious and we don't exactly know, so embrace

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<v Speaker 3>the mystery. But it's it's a glorious thing, and everybody

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<v Speaker 3>should do it.

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<v Speaker 5>And even if you are just a consumer, you can

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<v Speaker 5>be brave and buck the trend and opt for outdoor

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<v Speaker 5>cultivated cannabis, which probably has a lower energy footprint than

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<v Speaker 5>that cultivated inside. The market has a premium on indoor

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<v Speaker 5>cultivation because it's all it's so dialed in and buds

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<v Speaker 5>are super uniform and tight, so you get a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit of this funkier, more airy look from being grown outside,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's often done with a lot less chemicals and

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<v Speaker 5>a lot fewer inputs.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that sort of like the difference between when you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the grocery store and get the non organic

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<v Speaker 1>fruit that's kind of uniform and the organic stuff which

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<v Speaker 1>can look a little bit quirky.

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<v Speaker 3>I was listening to your interview on another podcast specifically

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<v Speaker 3>about cannabis cultivation, about how COVID sort of killed the

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<v Speaker 3>release of this book. But I was thinking maybe in

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<v Speaker 3>the aftermath of that, I mean, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people I don't know I hope a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people got into gardening. I know at first it was

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<v Speaker 3>all about baking sour dough and hoarding toilet paper. But

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<v Speaker 3>has the book, I don't know, gotten it's due.

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<v Speaker 5>It had a very long, zoomy tailwind, and it is

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<v Speaker 5>still selling and it people are still I mean really

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<v Speaker 5>not to too my own horn. People are still reaching

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<v Speaker 5>out to me with not you know, kind of frequently

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<v Speaker 5>telling me how much they love it.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think it's gonna have a.

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<v Speaker 5>Long life, but I don't think we're like gonna blow

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<v Speaker 5>it up and go viral. And there have been a

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<v Speaker 5>few changes since the book came out. Feminized seeds are

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<v Speaker 5>much more widely available now, so I had a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of fun sexing my plants, mostly because I like talking

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<v Speaker 5>about sexing my plants. But that's one of the things

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<v Speaker 5>that makes weeds so unique is that they're male and females,

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<v Speaker 5>and it really matters. But now you can buy feminized seeds.

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<v Speaker 5>They're more expensive, but it means you'll you're guaranteed a

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<v Speaker 5>female crop that won't get seed from a male pollination,

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<v Speaker 5>and those are super more widely available and that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 4>And also seeds are more widely available.

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<v Speaker 5>It used to be like souvenirs from seed banks, from

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<v Speaker 5>international seed banks, but the laws seem to have changed.

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<v Speaker 5>I know the company that I love working with, Humboldt

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<v Speaker 5>Seed Company. You can now get them in a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of states just online retail. So things are evolving in

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<v Speaker 3>Did you learn any life lessons from growing weed in

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<v Speaker 4>I learned a few. I love this question.

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<v Speaker 5>The first thing that I learned is what can happen

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<v Speaker 5>when a plant is stigmatized. And it's worth noting that

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<v Speaker 5>there are still tens of thousands of people sitting in

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<v Speaker 5>prison cells partly because of an activity that they've partaken

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<v Speaker 5>in that's no longer a crime, while others build wealth

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<v Speaker 5>on that same activity. So it's really taught me to

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<v Speaker 5>what harm and damage that can do to entire chunks

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<v Speaker 5>of our population. And I was able to write this

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<v Speaker 5>book and have no fear of prosecution or stigmatization.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the other.

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<v Speaker 5>Lesson it taught me was we've sort of touched upon,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's one that my first farm manager at my

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<v Speaker 5>first farm outside of Denver, Colorado, taught me, which is

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<v Speaker 5>that plants want to grow, and so for all of

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<v Speaker 5>this weird mysterious indoor cultivation weird lingo all that's sort

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<v Speaker 5>of transpired with this plant in the last hundred years.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just a plant and it just wants to grow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you so much, Johanna for joining.

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<v Speaker 4>Us, Thank you for having me and to our audience.

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